#571 - Murder Martini - Pewaukee, Wisconsin

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This week, in Pewaukee, Wisconsin, what appears to be a tragic tale of a person giving up on life

is actually a most diabolical plot to murder an innocent person with a very unique weapon

and get everything they had.

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My name is James Petrogallo. I'm here with my co-host.
I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us on another crazy edition of Small Town Murder.
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Why is that, James? Because we're assholes.

But?

But we're not scumbags.

That's how that goes here.

It's very easy.

We think it's actually a little more tasteful to try to put some humor in around it.

Nothing funny about the actual murder, but we've had, you know, usually I think I can get away with this is right away a pretty funny thought for regular people for the most part who can't get away with it.

So that's how that goes here. So if you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, I don't know.

We might not be for you.

But we've got away with it. So that's how that goes here.
So if you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, I don't know. We might not be for you, but we might be for you.
You might want to check it out and make sure. So either way, no complaining later.
But for the rest of you that want to hear a crazy story, we have this for you. And I think it's time.
Let's all sit back. Let's all clear the lungs, arms to the sky, and let's all shout, shut up and give me murder.
Let's do this, everybody. Okay.
Let's go on a trip, shall we? Here we go. We are going to Pewaukee, Wisconsin.
And that's how it's said. It's P-E and then walkie like Milwaukee, W-A-U-K-E-E.
P-Walkie. It's not P-Walkie.
It's P-Walkie. I don't know why they had to turn their town name into a strange sexual act, but they've done it.
Whatever. It's strange.
It is just outside Milwaukee, to the west of Milwaukee. It's about 20 minutes to Milwaukee, if you want to do that.
About an hour and 40 down to Chicago Chicago and two hours and 20 minutes to our last Wisconsin episode in Tomah, Wisconsin, which was dark swamp death. I remember that one.
There was death in the swamp. It was nasty.
This is in Waukesha County, area code 262. Now, a little bit of history of this town.
The city of Pewaukee wasn't actually incorporated until 1999. Really? But there's been people here forever here.
Basically, they used to have a village of Pewaukee, and they had other shit, and they established it there. The town originally, the village, was, I guess, approved in 1840 or something, and it grew and settlers started to come, and I guess it was a good farming community.
And there's a big lake here, too, Pewaukee Lake. So this is considered like a different lifestyle than Milwaukee completely.
This is like the burbs, and there's a lake, and it's like much more like an outdoor kind of a – not even a suburban. It's even more than that.
It's interesting here. There's a clear spring lake there, which will make things nice.
And that's ideal for all sorts of shit they used for commercial use. They got ice out of it back in the day.
OK, so one of those ice towns that like delivered the ice like they would. It was one of the major industries of pewaukee was icing by getting ice uh they had ice houses and uh you know they had like uh the armor meat company also had ice houses oh so they'd have that and it became one of the major suppliers of ice to southeastern wisconsin it's a big deal a couple reviews of this town here.
Five stars. Here's one.
I believe that Pewaukee is a very family-friendly area with lots of activities. I believe that.
She made it sound like it was something you have to... They've convinced me.
I have faith in that. That's a thing.
You can just look. One of the big attractions to Pewaukee is the downtown area that has some cute shops is on the water and hosts a variety of events throughout the year.
And then in parentheses, ski shows, et cetera. Right.
So ski shows. Watch people, other people ski.
Not you. May as well.
Three stars. I live in an apartment complex in Pewaukee.
I've lived there for two years and have enjoyed my time in the area. It's a good place to live where everything i need is a small drive away it gives me the ability to be able to get to my job in a short amount of time but also the distance where i can retreat to home yeah sweet spot from all of it yeah forget yeah who the hell i people that like live across the street from their job is crazy to me you just look out and see it it all the time.
That'd be looming and daunting. That's horrifying.
The area and people have treated me kindly. And then finally, two stars.
Pewaukee is just okay. There's not much to do, in my opinion.
You must not like lake activities. He doesn't believe it.
Not a big laker here. I ended up finding myself just hanging around walmart or meyer that's like a food store yeah well it's a meyer's like a or everything yeah i think it's another like a target midwest uh yeah yeah with friends as something to do yeah that's you know you're in a boring place when you're like i guess we'll just walk around walmart that's let's go yeah it's rough go through the walmart the Weed Whacker section.
See if they get any new lures in the fishing section. What else do you do? People in Pewaukee are also very judgmental about situations and don't accommodate well for lower class citizens.
They don't like the poor and they're very judgmental. Lower class.
People in this town, 15,589 people. So pretty small to be that close to Milwaukee.
I mean, it's 20 minutes outside of Milwaukee. More females than males.
Median age is slightly above the average. It's 44.
It's 38 in the rest of the country. But most of that is because this is like it's an expensive place.

It's not a place you move when you're 23 and get a starter house. This is like you have two kids and you've been saving up or whatever and then you move out to the burbs here.
69% of the people here are married, which is 50-50 in the rest of the country. That is wild, way out of whack here.
The single with children here, 6.9%, which is about as low as we've ever seen in a town that has more than 200 people in it. Super, super low.
Race of this town, 87.9% white, 0.8% black, 3.4% Asian, and what is it? 4.7% Hispanic. 61% of the people here are religious.
A lot of religion here. And the highest one, oddly enough, is Catholic.
Really? It is 30% Catholic here. In the Midwest.
Yeah, some of those pockets. And then 15% Lutheran after that.
The unemployment rate is low here. A lot of employment opportunities, apparently.
So that's low. I mean, Milwaukee's right there, too.
So drive 20 minutes, go somewhere. Median household income is high in this area.
How so? It is. Median household income.
The rest of the country, it's about $69,000. Here it is $110,269.
Thriving. Doing great out here in the burbs of Milwaukee.
That's not bad at all. And the cost of living, 100, is regular.
Here it's 107. So it's not that out of whack.
The highest thing is the home costs. This is a place where they're building houses as fast as people are moving into them.
Is that right? So there's hardly anything for sale, and what is for sale is new construction for the most part, because it is just people are coming, and it was a very small town before this, so we'll talk about that. Median home cost.
Yeah, median home cost is $405,500. Fucking geez.
Which seems excessive for, like, suburban Milwaukee. I guess the lake is, I don't know, an attraction, I guess.

Either way, if we've convinced you to move from wherever you are to suburban Milwaukee, we have for you the Pewaukee, Wisconsin real estate report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $1,320, which is above the national average, but not that far above the national average.
And there are apartment complexes here. Really? Yeah.
Yeah, that one person lived in an apartment complex for two years in the review. Here's, I found, there's like 10 things for sale in the entire town, by the way.
I found a .4-acre lot. Nothing special.
Just a cleared lot in what looks like it's going to be a future neighborhood here. Nothing special.
$183,990. For half an acre, it's almost 200 grand.
Patch of grass with nothing, I mean, nothing on it. It's just grass.

Here's a three-bedroom, three-bath, T-bowl for all your B-holes, I guess.

Sure.

1,886 square foot condo.

This is a condo. It is a big house with doors on opposite sides that you split the house with somebody else.

This place is full of carpeting.

I mean, it hasn't been redone in a long time. They long time nobody nobody does wall-to-wall carpets really anymore um it's pretty rare when you see that you go oh this was in a while this has been in a while probably a lot of car that's not been a that's not been a selling point a selling no that turned anybody on for quite some time no now it's like oh i gotta rip that carpeting up because i don't want wall-to-wall replacement job in this house yeah i don't want to live on other people's disgusting it's gross funky shit no rip that up at least you can you know scour a carpet i guess or a floor uh this house is 390 000 golly it's not even a house you're not even have your own own property.
And then here's a new house. This is brand new construction.
There's no lawn in or anything yet. It's all dirt.
Five bedroom, six bath. So, D-Bowl for all your B-holes.
Surplus. 4,489 square feet on .63 acres.
Okay. Two story.
So, nice house. It's clean, obviously.
It's brand new. It's clean.
It looks good. It's fine.
It's not a mansion. I mean, it's a big, giant house, but it doesn't...
Big house, yeah. It's not like you look at it and go, oh, man, you are killing it.
The person who's living there is really doing great. It's just like a nice big house.
$1,314,900 for that. They are out.
$1.3 million. Out of their fucking minds.
I'm going to say that right now. 20 minutes outside of Milwaukee.
To live in a town with the word P in it. I don't think so.
So things to do. Oh, people from here, by the way.
J.J. Watt is from here.
This is his hometown.

And TJ then, right?

I was, I may be, unless they sent him away when he was younger.

I don't know.

The Watt family, yeah.

That's where they're from.

Wow, they're from Pewaukee?

Pewaukee, yeah.

They made a big deal during one of the Super Bowls he was in there in Texas.

They went to his hometown of Pewaukee.

I watched a video.

Really?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Talk about J.J. Watt.
Should have told this story. Shit.
So things to do here. The Lake Country Fall Fest.
Uh-oh. Lake Country Fall Fest or Harvest Fest, depending on which thing you see it in, but it's the same thing, will be held on the grounds of the Clark House Museum.
This year's family-friendly event, this is the most boring thing to do we've ever covered, will continue to emphasize the skills and crafts from years gone by. Old world Pewaukee.
Antiquated, obsolete bullshit. We're going to celebrate it.
Chip ice from the lake, I guess. This event is on the grounds of the Clark House Museum.
It features old-time crafts and hands-on activities. Weaving, a blacksmith, carving, butter churning, corn shelling, and much more.
When butter churning is your activity, you really have nothing happening. Come by for some old-timey labor.
That's what this is. I saw a video of an old lady butter churning online recently.
and it essentially just looks like she's giving a really great handjob.

A really, those butter churning women would be,

those butter churning women would give the most amazing handjobs ever

because they would, first of all, iron grip.

They're really good at it.

They're never going to be like, oh, my arm's getting tired.

You've been churning all day.

Your arm is like, you'll have a Popeye forearm probably from that probably. Just close your eyes and don't look at who's doing it.
It'll be an old gray lady with a bonnet on. That's why.
There's also a genealogist, Marilyn Hagerstrand will be there. What is she doing? Helps you find your family tree.
That's awful. Now, so you've been bored shitless over it.
Bored to piss. You've watched an old lady churn butter, and you need to rock a little bit.
What you do is you head on over to Summerfest. That's where it's at.
Never mind Harvest Fest. That's bullshit.
Summerfest is where it is the, they call it, like the biggest gathering of bands and all this type of shit. Yeah, in the Midwest.
In Wisconsin. Let's see, let's go down their lineup of who they have.
And I miss some of the people, but this is a highlight reel here. Let's see.
Hosier, hoser. Okay.
With a Z. Okay.
That's the guy that used to be somebody we used to know. Oh, okay.
Gigi Perez. Okay.
Tiny Habits, which sounds like I just do a little bit of heroin once in a while, but not all the time. Just a drop.
Coke on Saturday. I'm a weekender.
That's how it is. Laney Wilson, who looks exactly as she sounds.
Blonde lady with a cowboy hat. You know what that's going to be.
I know what she is. Benson Boone, who, who looks exactly as she sounds, blonde lady with a cowboy hat.

You know what that's going to be.

I know what she is.

Benson Boone, who, again, looks exactly as you'd expect him to look.

You betcha.

The Killers will be there.

Oh, wow.

The Isley brothers will be there.

What?

Are all of them alive?

How many are left, guys?

Let's be honest.

There's got to be two left.

There's got to be Isley cousins mixed in at this point, right can't eisley uh they got different look we need to get four that's the actor right so you have a nephew wallace's in there yeah the nephew or somebody we get an eisley last name anymore down the family tree fabulous will be there remember we did his crime and sports we talked about his real name and all that which was hilarious uh gary clark jr yeah okay genuine will be there yeah what the fuck is this bone thugs in harmony will be there whoever's left out of that group maybe them and the eisley brothers should combine so they'd have a whole group i just found out that one of their names is literally

flesh and that's his name flesh and bone flesh and bone oh that's hilarious it's the dumbest fucking thing how do you have a festival that has laney wilson and bone thugs and then following bone thugs is fog hat so yeah none of this makes sense Bone Thugs will sing first of the month

and then Slow Ride will take off. It's fucking ridiculous.
Then George Thorogood, of course. Hell yeah.
I mean, because... Yeah, nobody else.
Yeah, that's who's in there. Then Cake, because that goes with George Thorogood.
What the fuck is happening? The Avett or Avett Brothers? Avett Brothers. The Avett Brothers, who, again, look exactly as you'd imagine them to.
Chicago. Okay.
Why not? They're just like, is anybody available to fix music? Who is available that's been famous any time in the last, I don't know, 60 years? Anybody? This is crazy.ames james taylor yeah yeah it's not unusual why not uh tesla sure sure jason moraz okay what the fuck and def leopard of course oh and megan the stallion obviously too you gotta have her there when you have def leopardopard obviously she comes with the practice this is unbelievable this is the craziest thing I've ever heard of it's the weirdest festival that's ever happened I swear to god and it's like they pack there's like three different days of it and the lineups it isn't like classic rock day and hip hop day it's all mixed together all bets are off the Avid Brothers followed by fucking Avid Brothers followed by Bone Thugs. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Which is a crazy show altogether. You wouldn't program a radio station with all those people.
It'd be a crazy radio station. You'd be like, what am I listening to? You're listening to 99.3.
All sorts of different shit. Welcome to 99.3, the what? Where every time a song comes on, you go, what? Welcome to WTFFM.
WTFM. Where you're always wondering, what the fuck are they playing now? What the fuck is this? I just heard fabulous, and here comes thoroughgood i'm confused oh my god uh oh this is great they also have a 5k road race and a basketball tournament and all that kind of shit and uh all everything like that and then there's also the pewaukee summer sizzle as well okay gotta have that this is a little lower key of.
It happens right around the same time, too. It really is probably overshadowed.
This is at Kiwanis Village Park. And, yeah, they said, enjoy the musical talents of Andrea and the Mods.
Yeah. That's not exactly, you know, not exactly genuine.
American Graffiti Band. Okay.
okay and bad medicine which is a bon jovi song i don't know and american graffiti is a movie so i don't know what's going on a george lucas movie and uh there's a bocce ball tournament and a beer garden so that's i like the other one so much better it's that's what i mean that's a little you can't really those. They're going on at the same time.
I guess you've got to do the summer sizzle right before the other one to get you really in the mood to see music. Get you pumped up.
That's what it's all about. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here, property crime is a little over half the national average, but pretty low.
Honestly, very low. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault.
The Mount Rushmore of crime is about one-third of the national average, so about two-thirds under the national average. So this is a safe place.
It's a safe place. People with money, everybody that plays anything comes here.
They go to their money, you get to see Foghat. It's really a hard thing.
It's a dream. They got a lake and Foghat at the same time.
Holy shit. That said, let's talk about some murder.
What do you say? Here we go. Let's get into some murder because we have just a weird, weird, weird case today with a weird person.
And it's interesting. Let's talk about a lady first up here.
Lynn. Let's talk about Lynn Hernan.
H-E-R-N-A-N. That's her nan.

Not my nan. That's her nan.

Born June 26,

1956.

So she's

just about my dad's age there.

Her parents are Bob

and Lorraine Hernan.

Now she grows up,

Lynn graduated. She lived

in Madison. She grew up in Madison, Wisconsin.
Where we'll have a show that I don't need to advertise because it's sold out. So never mind.
I was going to plug it, but never mind. She grew up in Madison.
She graduated in the class of 1974 at La Follette High School. And she had one career goal and one desire.
She wanted to be a hairstylist and own her own salon. That's it.
That's what she was all about. It's not bad.
No, it's a cool life and not bad at all. Hard work, though.
It's hard work. I mean, my grandfather owned a barbershop.
That is, you're there at 6 a.m., you leave at fucking 7.30 p.m., and it's on your feet the whole day. It's brutal.
And you get your own customers. You know, you got to go market yourself.
It's a tough gig. It's like comedy, but a little harder because you got to actually do the work.
Yeah, you have to actually work. That's the difference.
Yeah, but you can also, it's much easier to get a gig. That's the other part.
Anyone will hire you until you fuck up. Tell a place I'll cut hair.
Yeah, shit, I got that. Yeah, no, I've done it before.
So she wants to do that, and she ends up doing that.

She'll become a hairstylist and eventually own her own salon for a while here.

Apparently, she really, really, really likes old-timey shit.

She's super into old-time.

Black and white movies, romantic movies, things like that.

Bette Davis, big Bette Davis fan. Oh, real old-timey shit.
Yeah, very much into Bette Davis. And her favorite thing of all time is the Wizard of Oz.
She has Wizard of Oz memorabilia. She loves the music, the movie.
She knows all the facts. All the facts.
Tin Man was always sick. Oh, yeah, from the paint.
Not good there. I think it killed him.
It made him very, very ill because he kept inhaling shit, too. He had shit in his lungs.
I think he died first of all of them. I don't know.
That's true. But it wasn't for years.
I mean, he didn't finish the movie, cough up a silver chunk, and then fall dead, which is good. But no, it wasn't good back then.
It was tough in movies. But she is all about The Wizard of Oz and shit like that.
So that tells you if a person's favorite movie and kind of their personality is wrapped up around The Wizard of Oz, it tells you somewhat about what kind of person they are. It's usually like an upbeat person.
Sure. You know what I mean? Wizard of Oz is a story of, I don't know, getting home.
It's not a dark movie. You know what I mean? It has darkness to it, but the people who like it are...
Yeah, they're cheery people. They're cheery people.
The musical. The music of it.
It's a fucking musical. Yeah, there aren't a lot of musicals where it was just like some dark, swarthy person.
Like, I love that fucking musical. It's great.
I love when they sing about being out of the woods. That's my favorite.
So that's how she goes through life here. From the 70s when she graduates high school through the 90s, she's hairdressing.
Into the 2000s, she's she never gets married never has kids is that right no marriage no kids which is hey good for you she likes her cats she has cats and judy garland and she's happy with that yeah judy garland terrible death she does she did she had a tough life judy garland butland. She Lynn here has like a like she is a how to put this here.

She has a lot of boyfriends and things like that and a lot of relationships, but she never wants to settle down and never wants to have kids.

She always wants to live kind of her own thing.

So fun.

She's living a life.

Yeah, she's got her own shit that's going on.

Here's an ex-boyfriend of hers that becomes her good regular friend after they're done with their relationship.

That's another thing that happens a lot with her.

She'll have a boyfriend and then they break up and then they're friends for 20 years.

Golly.

She has to be a decent person for people to not hate her after their relationship ends.

She's mastered the art of amicable separation. That's incredible.
How many exes are you friends with? You know what I mean? One. Yeah, it's rare.
Yeah. So this guy's name is Jim Kelleher, and they met at a music festival in 1983 when she was 27 years old at that point.
Foghat was our headline in that one, too. I was going to say, they were there to hear Slow Ride.
Who are these Death Leopard idiots? I don't want to hear Rock of Ages. Play Slow Hat again.
Or play Foghat, Slow Ride. Slow Hat, Fog Ride.
Fog Ride. Fog Ride.
Take it easy. So they when asked what his first impression of her was was he said that a lady that looked that good wouldn't go out with me that's what he thought about her like oh yeah she was looking good she ain't gonna go out with me and she's like cool looking too back in the day like all these pictures of her like her hair is always like all cool and shit because she's a hairstylist and like she's like fashionable and like yeah she looks like a a cool chick.
But she ended up liking him. So this guy thought he had no chance and he ended up having a chance.
Didn't realize she had low standards. He's like, wow, she's – Throw that bar for him.
I thought she'd have a higher fucking idea of herself, but I guess not. That's a great – I want me to hang out with her, yeah.
That's a great thing when you realize that you know a woman is uh that you like has lesser standards oh she doesn't see what everybody she doesn't see that she's wonderful right okay she doesn't know she's hot yeah great that's good so um he said they lasted about 10 years their romantic relationship so wow that's. A lot of long-term relationships, too.

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Now back to the show. And even after it ended, they were close friends right away.
Love it. So he describes

her as a beautiful lady inside

and out. Just beautiful.
That's what he

says. So wonderful.
Another

friend of hers here is

Corrine Potza.

And she said that they were best friends

for over 35 years.

Her and Lynn. And

I guess she has a son.

This Corrine has a son named Anthony. Antony Potza.
Jesus, poor bastard in Wisconsin. He said he always had a special bond with Lynn since childhood.
And that's the thing, too. A lot of her friends that have children, she becomes like their cool aunt, basically.
Oh. So that's a constant theme that goes on.
I'm like, oh, she treated me like a nephew and bought me things and took me places and you know treated me like one of her own type of thing like she didn't have any kids but she had a whole bunch of them because yeah she doesn't dislike kids yeah she's just not having any of her own she's like i like i like to play with them and buy them stuff and then send them on their way and go home and fuck my boyfriend.

That seems like more fun.

So they they he called her Auntie Linny.

So there you go.

She said he said he stayed close to her.

He would regular drop by regularly drop by her a condo while he attended college nearby just to say hi.

And she'd make him like something to eat and all that kind of thing.

He said, I love doing stuff with her, you know, thrift store store shopping that was a date we would go on as thrift store shopping yeah that is i took my daughter doing that stuff for like funsies like we'd yeah buy something stupid you have three dollars go get something yeah get something that'll impress me that you spent three bucks all this shit is four dollars we'll figure this out yeah it's not it's it's a cheap day it's a fun day my daughter was into that for a while when she was a teenager too we just go around she found a crazy doll that she would hide in her mom's house that's fun open the toilet lid and there it is so there's another young lady here who has a similar relationship with Lynn that Anthony has. And that's a young lady named Jessie.
Oh, God. I watched this whole fucking thing and I don't know how to say it.
And I've heard people say it. Kurzewski.
Kurzewski. I'm going to say.
K-U-R-C-Z-E-W-S-K-I.

Wow.

That's Kraszewski, I think. Yeah.
She's born in 1984, and she has a similar relationship because her mother, Jennifer Flower, was a good friend of Lynn's. Gotcha.
So she had the same type of relationship, like an aunt relationship here. There's a picture of them at Jesse's high school graduation party that Lynn threw for her.
And it's like they're like, you know, she's like hugging her. And you can see there's like balloons and picnic tables and shit.
And, you know, she threw her the party. Jesse, by the way, not spelled in any way you'd expect it to be spelled.
Okay. You go, Jesse.
And she's a young lady. You go, oh, J-E-S-S-s-i-e no yeah okay j-e-s-s-e then no no no yep j-e-s-s-y is how she spells this name i've never seen that before no at all no have you seen it for it's from uh yes but it's just like chicks named jessica that just don't want to conform to the normal ways oh no her name is jesse from what i've seen here really yeah there is no jessica it's just jesse that's a cowgirl yeah for p walkie that's an odd an odd name so um now lynn she basically you know from the time she graduates all the way up to 2014 so a good 40 years of her life here, she's always doing hair styling and all that.
And I've known there's a lot of people in my family that have been in the hair business. And one thing that is for sure with the hair business is you can make a living off of it, but it's not a good way to, unless you own a shop with a lot of people making your money.
Or you do it for very very wealthy folks. Obviously yeah if you can do that but if you're doing it in Pewaukee at the Great Clips or whatever it's going to be, you're not going to kill it off of that.
So they said she's always living paycheck to paycheck basically her whole life until 2014 when her mother died oh and then she she inherited 250 000 that'll help yeah that helps a lot so yeah and and she also she it's basically just her in her townhouse with her cats and she lives very frugally she doesn't do crazy stuff She doesn't use any technology, by the way. She doesn't have a phone.
In what year?

2014. Not having.
2014, 15. She uses cash to pay for most things.
Is that right? When she used her credit card, she'd literally go home and pay it over the phone right then to pay it. she would write a check to pay it she was right away uh do that um she hated technology didn't own a smartphone didn't have a computer didn't use the internet period how how are you managing that in 2014 that is really difficult that's very impressive she's able to figure pull that off and figure that out.
2014, yeah. She's living a 1975 life.
Cash and no technology. Is that a stubborn lady that doesn't want to or somebody that just is like, you guys do it and I don't care.
It seems like she's just kind of set in her ways in terms of that. She's not interested.
She's she's like i am a 70s chick rock on yeah you know or everything she does she keeps the lifestyle that she still can do it that way that's i mean she's she doesn't live outside of that but i mean yeah you can pull up in your t-top trans am and i'll get in but yeah i don't want to get on the internet afterwards you know these take me take me to the def leopard showard show and then drop me off at home with my cat to the box office so that I can buy tickets because I didn't buy them because I definitely definitely didn't get them on the internet when they first came out so that's how she's going along here um by 2016 she's not feeling well her health starts to rapidly decline here. Oh, no.
Rapidly decline. It's tough.
Yeah. She's just kind of out of nowhere.
She just starts getting more and more ill. Jim, her ex-boyfriend, said that despite the fact that she had these growing health problems and she was real frustrated with it and didn't know how to deal with it, she would still visit him and his girlfriend at their home.
She'd still stop by and say hi. And he even said she'd bring treats and stuff.
She would say she got stomach aches or whatever and she would always have to leave though. So she was, oh, that's how she would get out of there.
So she starts having a hard time around the house because of her illnesses. So Jesse here, Jesse decides she's going to come in and help her out.
Give a hand. Why not? This lady's been nice to her as a kid.
You're supposed to help people out when they get older. So that's what she's doing here.
And this is in 2016. She comes to kind of, she doesn't live with her, but she's there all the time.
And, you know, she she leaves at night and stuff but she's always hanging out with her doing stuff so much so that Lynn had a will drawn up in 2016 naming Jesse as personal representative which is the equivalent of an executor in Wisconsin power of attorney exactly and she and Anthony Pot Patsa her friend's son son who's like an aunt to her to him uh they are the co-beneficiaries okay 50 50 yeah so Jesse's supposed to you know be the executor and deal with it but she's supposed to get the benefits to both of them um so yeah they they uh I guess Jesse sent Anthony some paperwork of accounts she was settling and all that later on. So Anthony's involved in the whole will and the estate process here.
Now, how sick is she? We'll talk about here. I guess there were times where she would fall, like out of nowhere.
She'd just have a fall like she was 90. Which is hard because she's in her early 60s

and doesn't feel like

she should be falling and she spent her life

making a living on her feet too.

Yeah, she stood a long time.

Yeah, you do that. So Jesse would

have to go and help her get up.

She would come over to the house and help her up

and stay with her a while.

Apparently she had a lung disease

of some kind. She had high blood pressure and severe gastrointestinal issues, which the doctors were never able to diagnose.
This is the thing. She has been for like the last, you know, year in 2016.
She's been super ill and going to the doctor all the time, even being in the hospital, you know, checked in and they're never i don't know lady they can't put a finger on it of what exactly is wrong with her what's causing it or what she can do to fix it or anything like that they just keep bringing her back which is frustrating sound like the midwest it's it sounds like she's got some uh she's been eating west sounds like you've been eating some weird shit, and you live in near factories probably growing up here maybe for the lung disease. Sounds like environmental disease, though.
How many? Because it's all the things that, yeah. What do you say in weight? Let's just say in net weight.
How many cheese curds do you eat a day? Just what I'd like to know that. Fried? You like them fried, don don't you yeah that's past six months uh would you say a quarter mile of kielbasa how much how much is it would you say how many trucks do you say would be needed to deliver the curds to your house that you've had in the last year just like end to end how many curds brought beer how much how far like the big trucks like the one that hit tracy morgan one of those like a big giant one how many that's what it sounds like so jesse was always with lynn at this point and became kind of her full-time caretaker as it goes um jesse would do the grocery shopping pay your bills all the shit she didn't have enough strength to do yeah that's horrible it's hard that's got to be the most frustrating thing on the planet to have an illness the doctor is just like i don't know i don't know what that's about especially if you've been very active your whole life right she has been real active yes i don't know it's tough and she's lucky to have someone like jesse around that'll help her out yeah i mean that's a lot of people that age especially if you don't have kids they might not have anybody to help them out.
So it's great that she did. This is a good investment of being nice to a kid at one point, and you get some returns now.
So she also has a boyfriend, Jesse does, not Lynn. Jesse's got a boyfriend named Scott Craig, and they got together this same year in 2016.
They hooked up here. So Jesse got a boyfriend and a person to take care of in 2016 now scott has four kids golly scott scottie boy is fertile they all love jesse apparently jesse gets along with the kids they now as a couple they like to go out to bars they go to his kid's sporting events he had a daughter that had all sorts ofball tournaments.
So Jesse had to go watch someone else's kid play softball tournaments, which is always fun. They went to casinos a bunch, too.
Really? A lot of gambling, a lot of casinos. The Midwest casinos are a very popular activity.
I mean, the small bars, you've got pull tabs, and there's all kinds of gambling that they do. Meat auctions.
There's all kinds of- All sorts of weird shit. Meat raffle is what it's called.
Raffle, yeah. They just do weird shit where they throw a couple bucks on something, and maybe they'll pay off.
Yeah, well, and the casinos, too, I think a lot of that is the cold weather. It's something to do indoors.
Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's an indoor activity, so that- A lot of bingo.
It's a weird place, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A lot of bingo and fish fries and that kind of shit so um that's what they kind of do here uh one of craig scott craig's cousins daniel was living with craig for a little bit of while while jesse was also living there so all in the house now jesse said she worked as a dental assistant but this cousin started to suspect that she didn't have a job. She said she had a job, and she would put scrubs on every morning and leave, and then she would return a few hours later like she'd worked a day, but this guy was like, something's off here.
So he confronted her about it, which is crazy because it's not even his girlfriend. He just confronted.
Hey, I've been thinking. What? Like, who cares? First of all, it's none of your business.
So, you know, tell your cousin and see if he wants to investigate it. Otherwise, mind your fucking business.
It's a very interesting guy that sat around pondering this all day. You know, I don't think she's going where she's at.
I think she's lying think she's lying well i mean i'm not with her or anything it's none of my business but i'm going to talk to her about it in my life but so she she folded and confided in him that yes indeed she has been out of work for the last six months and hadn't told craig about it she's still getting up putting on scrubs putting on scr on scrubs and leaving the house. Yes.
Like a man in the fifties who's lost his job and is too ashamed to tell anyone. And he's got to sit at the bar and drink his ass before he fucking jumps off a bridge.
Yeah. That's, that's a very weird thing.
So she, he was like, that is, why would you do that? And he's like, Oh, I just, I didn't wantig to think less of me that i didn't have a job and all that kind of thing where the fuck is she going all day that's the thing she goes over to uh lynn's sometimes hangs out with her does stuff like that go shopping over there and scrubs yeah that's what she does well i mean she's sort of nursing so why not yeah whatever so they said that even though she didn't have a job jesse still managed to like spend a good amount of money. She seemed to have money.
That's why Craig never questioned that she had a job because she'd be buying things. She would give people gifts.
She'd give the kids gifts. They'd go to the bar.
She'd spring for dinner tabs. Sometimes they'd go out to the casino.
She'd be gambling like he was. You know, they were both gambling and they're separate money, her and her boyfriend.
And, you know, she said she never like asked to borrow money or anything like that. So she seemed to be doing fine and being able to pay her bills.
And so the cousin, though, said, quote, it seemed like there was no end to the money she had. There was always money, a lot of spending at the bar, drinks for people, food for people.
There was just constant spending. Yeah.
Which seems odd for an unemployed dental assistant. Very odd.
Very strange here. She even offers to give people money that you wouldn't expect.
One of Scott's ex-wife, the mother of his kids, a woman named Jacqueline here, they remained on good terms. Everybody in the Midwest is so easy to get along with.
All these people have amicable breakups and they hang out afterwards. This is crazy.
You people are nice, man. It's small towns, too.
You kind of have to because otherwise if you hate somebody enough to where you can't be around them, that eliminates a lot of the places you can go. You have to avoid a whole grocery store.
Like a whole section of town you have to avoid. Find a new mire.
Can't go to that bar. So that's, I guess, they have three kids and then he has another one with somebody else.
Now she said, this Jacqueline said, she was civil with Jesse as well. They met at a fast-pitch softball tournament where one of Scott's kids was playing in.
And I guess they have an adult daughter, okay? Scott and this woman have an adult daughter who was in Thailand at the time doing some sort of school. Wow.
Which is an odd place to go for school, but I don't know. What you can learn over there that you can't learn over here.
I'm not sure. I'm sure there's something.
Thai? That's one thing. So this lady was saying, oh man, oh, she teaches English over there.
Oh, okay. So now the ex-wife was saying how, man, I wish I could go see her, but that trip to Thailand's fucking expensive and all that kind of thing.
And it's long. Long trip so jesse offers to pay for her trip to thailand she said i'll buy you a ticket to thailand that's expensive like and she's offering that to her boyfriend's ex-wife which is a very odd gesture i mean nice i guess yeah now this woman declined she said no no no i can't take that it's the midwest here i can't be taking that from me here um she said she was always curious how the hell she had that kind of money to just throw at her yeah because she didn't seem like you know she wasn't a wealthy person didn't come from a rich family or anything like that so tooth this goes on through 2016 2017 where jesse's taking care of lynn and you know, all that kind of thing is going on here.
And it doesn't seem like she has a job through this time. So 2018, Lynn has been in and out of the hospital quite a bit.
Oh, no. She keeps getting sick and being taken to the hospital.
They don't know what's wrong with her. They send her home after a few days when she feels a little bit better um then at the same time anthony the you know quasi nephew said that during this time she'd always talk about her money lynnwood she'd say it's disappearing i don't know what's happening to my money it's just disappearing i thought i had more and i look and then i have less money than i thought i had and i don't know know what's going on here.
So they said that, you know, they asked Anthony said, well, who's in charge of your money? Like, are you in charge of everything? And she said, well, you know, I appointed Jesse my power of attorney so she could pay my bills and do stuff like that. So Anthony is like, well, you know, maybe you should talk to look into this because, yeah, if she's the one doing it, I don't know.
So now in August of 2018, Anthony said that Lynn appeared to be improving in health in August of 2018. She seemed to be getting stronger.
She said, he said, quote, she said she was starting to feel better. And she's like, you know, I'm fine.
You know, I'm glad I'm getting out again. And, you know, we need to go out go out more often it's good for me to get out of the house so she started to get to the point where she was actually leaving the house again and doing social things so that's great um now september 2018 comes along here jim remember lynn's ex-boyfriend jim who they're right their buddies there he called uh one night uh him and his girlfriend called uh Lynn's number I guess on speakerphone and Jim says quote well this girl answered the phone and she was kind of mouthing off to us quote don't use this don't use this phone don't call this number ever again don't worry about Lynn don't you worry about her fuck fuck you yeah What are you, long-time friend? Don't worry about her health, you asshole.
So he gets this call. He calls and gets this response.
He's like, what the fuck? And he said, you know, at that point he was telling his girlfriend, I got to find out what the hell is going on from Lynn here because I can't even talk to her. So a few days later, he said he got a call from Lynn.
He was happy. She was in the hospital in September, late September of 2018.
And she said that she should be getting out in a few days and let's get plans to get together. We'll make plans to get together with you and your girlfriend and we'll have a whatever.
So she's discharged from the hospital on September 29th, 2018. Discharged.
And Jesse is helping her out, taking her home. Now, we don't know what goes on from September 29th to October 3rd.
Not a lot of info on what is going on with Lynn. Other than I assume she is recovering at home from being in the hospital is all you can imagine then on october

3rd 2018 a 911 call goes out from her house from lynn's house made by jesse oh she said she came in and found her friend unconscious and not breathing and she needs you know medical medical assistance Everybody get them over here.

She's passed out in her recliner is what she said.

So a sheriff's deputy arrives first to find Lynn lying unconscious in a recliner. He called her very pale.
She looked very pale, which for Wisconsin, that's saying something. When someone in Wisconsin calls you pale pale you have no blood in your face at all

you are you're transparent you are one of those geckos you yeah you can see you're a lizard the blood in your veins is what you can see that is see your heartbeat you are a human swatch at that point human swatch watch we all see the interior so they said also that there was this is a quote from the police report, quote, a large amount of crushed medication on her chest. OK.
And on a plate directly to the left of her with a large amount of what appeared to be crushed up medication still on the plate. Right.
Now, there is also just a ring of pill bottles, tons of prescription pill bottles, which she's a sick woman who just got out of the hospital. So there's all sorts of different meds there.
But crushing them up on a plate is a different story. Yeah.
That's totally different. So the police report said based on the initial observations, investigators believe this could have been a drug overdose of some kind.

She could have just OD'd in her recliner and she's sitting there.

So they have a picture of the close-up of the bottles.

And there's a lot.

Some have their caps on.

Some don't have their caps on, prescription bottle-wise.

And I guess they photographed multiple of her medications were scattered on the carpet as well.

There was like pills and bottles and shit all over the carpet, as well as white powder on a plate and on her chest, like we said. So right away they're thinking this could be either an accidental overdose or even possibly a suicide because of the amount of pills and the amount of crushed up pills.
This could have been, I'm going to just snort pills till I die type of thing is what they were thinking. So the chief medical examiner says that she saw the pills and the powder scattered all over.
She said there was a thought that maybe there was an ingestion that was possibly a cause for the death. So that's what they were going to look into.
If you find someone dead with all these pills around, first thing you're doing is a bunch of toxicology reports to figure out if this is the reason or if this is some sort of cover-up of the reason. So now Jim, the friend, ex-boyfriend of Lynn, he had never met Jesse, by the way, somehow.
Really? Yeah. Even though the last two years, Jesse's been there all the time and he's their friends the only time jim ever sees lynn is if lynn comes over to their house he never has gone over there so he doesn't meet jesse what a friend yeah that's interesting make a sick lady come over to you she wanted to she she didn't want people coming to her house she wanted to come over to their house all the time.
She liked to go out. So Jim says, I get a phone call from Jesse

and she says I have some bad news.

Lynn committed suicide.

Oh. That's what she told

Jim and

quote, and by the way, we're

going to have a dinner for her on the 13th at the

Open Flame restaurants. The Open

Flame restaurant. He said she

said it in one sentence. Like, oh, I

have some bad news. Lynn committed suicide.

And by the way, we're going to have dinner for her on the 13th at the open flame restaurant okay have a good one bye click that was like the whole phone call consider this your invitation goodbye goodbye um so wow and he was like oh my god what the fuck and um jim says well i didn't i kind of didn't believe her right off the bat. She wasn't crying.
So he at first didn't believe that Lynn was actually dead. Oh, because he's like she wasn't even crying like she was just calling me up.
She's like very matter of factly, like someone telling you your appointment to have your fucking water softener fucking shit replaced. Like, you know, oh, we move to Thursday.
OK, no problem. yeah really weird and and jim said he couldn't believe that lynn would kill herself i know she was sick but she had a spirit she had a good witch of the north kind of a spirit to her you know what i mean dorothy didn't just quit she kept plugging on you know what i mean you plug on which is name but yeah yeah you're running glenda glenda glenda the good witch yeah yeah yeah you never so you plug on you maybe you pick up a tin man and a lion here or there and you figure it out that's what you do you pick your little dog up and you fucking go forward now at the now that she's she has passed away obviously terribly and Sadly here, Anthony, who is the co-beneficiary of her her will said that at that point he found out that most of her assets had been eaten away by debt they're already gone he said i just felt like something was up and i wanted to look at it more closely i just remember getting a final account with just a bunch of credit card bills and it was just weird how she had all these debts that just didn't make any sense to me.
She had $83 in her account when she died. Wow.
$83. So somehow she, that's why they think, oh, well, maybe it was a suicide.
She spent all her money, and she was like, well, I'm broke now. I guess I'll just kill myself.
$41.50 to Anthony. That's it.
Yeah. You get that.
Enjoy it. So the toxicology report here, they wanted to get their test results there.
And they said they definitely had a bunch of prescription drugs in her system at therapeutic levels, though. Okay.
Not at ultra high levels enough to kill a person. That's what they found.
So they were like, maybe there's some interactions with the drugs. If you take this one and this one together, maybe.
Okay. Not at ultra high levels enough to kill a person.
That's what they found. So they

were like, maybe there's some interactions with the drugs. If you take this one and this one together, maybe even at therapeutic levels.
So the medical examiner said, though, quote, there was a substance that I was that was unusual, an unusual finding I hadn't seen in a report from their facility before.

It was called

tetrahydrozoline.

Okay. hadn't seen in a report from their facility before.
It was called tetrahydrozoline. Okay, tetrahydrozoline.
Okay, now. Tetrahydrozoline.
Yeah, tetrahydrozoline probably. So this lady says, I don't even know what this is.
What the fuck is that? And she's a medical examiner, but it's never come up in a dead person's body. It's no so she said what is it she found out it is the active ingredient in over-the-counter eye drops by zine oh clear eyes tetrahydrosoline yeah that's what that's that okay she was like oh weird she said this is a substance that i haven't seen in a toxicology report before it's not supposed to be in the blood yeah it's she's this is the medical examiner of the county she's never seen this before in a toxicology report being in somebody's body so she thought that was weird now other results from the report showed she had at least eight prescription drugs in her system some of which she was not supposed to be taking at the time because those medications had been stopped by her doctors.
But she got them anyway and had them anyway. So they said that in her, the medical examiner said in her determination, those medications, along with her medical conditions, contributed to her death but did not cause her death.
so they were all at therapeutic levels so they didn't cause her death none of them was over spiked none of their because they know like if this drug kills you this is what it does to the organ so they look through it and to see if that's the case and they never came up with anything so they also the medical examiner starts to believe that her body was staged to make it look like an overdose because toxicology reports showed that none of the crushed up medication that was found on her chest. Yeah.
Just on her bare chest or on her shirt and on her cleavage and on this plate. None of that stuff was in her system.
Hmm. Other pills were in her system, but none of the shit that was crushed up.
So unless she died before she got to snorting it. Right.
That's very interesting. Off her own tits.
Yeah. I like snorting shit off tits, even if they're my own.
Hmm. Interesting.
So she's got crushed up meds on her chest, and she's sucking on a Visine. And she's got Visine in her system, which is strange.
A free son and a visine somehow. So the funeral, there is no service per Lynn's wishes.
She wants, in her will, she had no service, no funeral. Just a nice dinner at the open flame.
A dinner at the open flame and directs all donations if you were going to send flowers or something. Instead of that, send donations to no-kill animal shelters.
Because's into so she's a nice lady is what she's what i'm saying here so january 2019 one of her friends goes to the cops okay um this is a one of her cousins like a distant cousin i believe she contacted the county medical examiner's office with concerns about the circumstances of Lynn's death. And this cousin said he found it unusual that Lynn would have willed her entire estate to Jesse.
He said, I don't understand that. So this guy checked records at the state level to see if Jesse had a criminal record and saw several convictions for forgery and fraud.

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So yeah, the police report said that this person wanted to make sure that the will filed in probate was authentic and wanted to make sure there was nothing suspicious about Lynn's death in the medical examiner's autopsy report.

So he's like, listen, I did some digging on my end and I found this. I don't know if you guys got some suspicious shit on your end, but if we put these two things together, who the fuck knows? Sure.
So they found out that, yes, Jessie has a criminal record. In 2011, she was convicted on charges of identity theft and theft and forgery and was sentenced to eight years in prison.
Cause this was not her first arrest for this shit. Yeah.
And, uh, she had been released from prison in early 2016, which is when she started spending time with Lynn and right at the same exact time when Lynn's health deteriorated. What the fuck is happening? Like the day she got out of prison, Lynn's health started being bad.
She was fine her whole life before that. Okay.
So there's obviously some weird shit going on here. What the hell's going on? How did she meet her? A little through her mom.
She was friends. She knew her since she was a little kid...
She got out of prison and went right to her? Yep. She was another one of Lynn's little nieces, basically.
Best friends, yeah. One of Lynn's kids.
One of Lynn's kids. So a few months go by at this point.
Yeah. While they're trying to figure this out and they're putting all these pieces together.
And Jesse calls the cops for an update. Oh? Yeah.
she wants to see what's going on how is everything you know if you find anything out yet here you know what the fuck here um now she comes in with her mother and this is on youtube this is the whole interview by the way and it's her and her mother sitting there and um she yeah jennifer flower is her mother which i think is the name of the lady who bill clinton had an affair with and it made that jennifer flowers i believe was the hairdresser she was a hairdresser too yeah which is interesting yeah it's all connecting so she sits down here and jesse says and this is actual from the interview from the police interview here j, you know, when I talked to the medical examiner last,

well, I talked to them numerous times, and they said I had to contact you guys.

They kind of like weren't sure we didn't know if it was a suicide

or if it was something medical.

And the detective says, so at this point, I mean,

they're waiting for their secondary, you know, they're confirming tests is what he said. So she says, yeah.
And she says, I just wish I knew, you know, it's more so to if I could have done something and if I had been there. That's the hardest part.
Because her story is she was with her. She went out for a few hours to run errands, came, came back to Jesse's house and here she is.
She's like, I left. If I was there, could I have prevented something? So then they went into some of her issues.
They also touched on her drug use as well. Now, Jesse says that Lynn abused prescription drugs and frequently mixed it with alcohol as well.
Okay. Frequently boozing it up as well.
She said, quote, she was really big on her Xanax. That was her big one.
She was real big on it. Real big on it.
Her and everybody else. Her and a lot of other people.
Her and anybody that's tried it. No shit.
So she said, they said, well, what's your relationship with her? Never mind all this. Let's talk about, you know, let's just chat.
They're just having a chit chat. And Jesse says, she was like an aunt, like a second mom to me.
She didn't have kids. So they said, so you've known her your whole life and that's kind of why you were helping her out? And she said, yeah, yeah.
She's always been real nice to me. She said that she was about the only person still in Lynn's life at this point.
She said, quote, she pretty much blew everyone off possible in the end. She'd say, no, I don't want to see anybody.
Which is believable because if she's sick, she might not want people to see her in that condition. But, yeah, according to Jesse and her mother here, Lynn was so withdrawn that she didn't even want to talk to her friend Jim when he called oh which doesn't make sense because then she's calling him from the hospital saying let's get together when I get out of here she Jennifer Jesse's mother tells the cops she said do not tell him I don't want him here I don't to see him.
And Jesse said she didn't like the way she looked, so she didn't want people around. That's what it was about.
So that goes on for a little while longer. It's like a 35-minute conversation where they go really nowhere.
She just says, I just want to know what happened, and they ask, how do you know her? And that's a kind of pleasantries, and she leaves with her mother.

Then the detectives, by the way, while this is going on,

are investigating the whole thing.

They're doing, like, forensic accounting on Lynn's money

and shit like that to see what happened here.

And they figure out that more than $250,000 has been stolen from Lynn.

It's been just drained. Been drained, yes, before and after she died, by the way.
Oh. So they learned stuff about her accounts.
I guess she had a money market account, which had around $250,000 in 2016, but after she died had $87 in it. I'm sorry, I was 83 87 dollars in it now yeah i would say so now some of that was spent by lynn on some jewelry and a jeep that she bought but not 250 000 jeeps are expensive but not that expensive jeep that'd be a crazy fucking jeep what movie was that jeep is gonna say that's a.
It's got the 45-foot lift kit on it. It's a big one.
Robert Downey Jr. drove it.
Yeah, yeah. It flies also.
Did I mention that? It flies and it's also amphibious. It's a great Jeep.
So now everything else outside of the Jeep and some jewelry, including a total of 20 checks, all went to Jesse. Oh? Yeah.
Between January of 2016 and October 3rd of 2018, Jesse stole over $144,000 from Lynn. Jesus.
Yeah, that is a lot. She was getting checks out of Lynn's account with varying things in the memo notes like IRS payment, car payment.
But it was just for her. She was just stealing it.
None of the money was going to the places where Lynn was supposed to be sending them. So now she's now Lynn Lynn has like debts that are troubles.
Yeah, problem. Taxes and shit are, you know, compounding and stuff like that.
It's crazy. So they matched each of the checks to deposits in Jesse's accounts as well to make sure they matched up.
Then tracked where Jesse spent that money. And apparently in the two weeks that Lynn was in the hospital before Lynn died there up till September 29th, there was a big spike in spending for Jesse.
Oh. And during that last hospital stay, money was being transferred from Lynn's account into Jesse's account.
And then Jesse was withdrawing that money from ATMs at a local casino. At the casino.
Where there's so many cameras. Oh, and if you win, they keep track of who you are.
Yeah. Financial things there are very well viewed.
Yeah. The least anonymous place you can go is a casino.
Every square inch is covered in cameras, and they keep track of all the transactions. So you're fun.
You feel anonymous because nobody knows your name, but your face is very well known.

It's everywhere.

Yeah.

So they also found out that on the day that Lynn died, the day she died, a JCPenney credit card, which I didn't even know still existed in 2018. I didn't know you could get a JCPenney credit card in 2016.

The day this happened, a JCPenney credit card in 2016. The day this happened, a

JCPenney credit card was opened in

Lynn's name the day she died.

After she was dead already.

Oh, shit. Yeah.

Now, first of all, she didn't go to fucking JCPenney

and open a card. She doesn't have

online access.

Just days later, a

$3,000 purchase of furniture

made on another credit card

in Lynn's name was delivered

to the home of

I love you. Uh, just days later, a $3,000 purchase of furniture made on another credit card in Lynn's name was delivered to the home of Jesse and Scott Craig.
Oh, Scott got it too. And her boyfriend.
Now they, the police talked to him and he said that, yeah, me and Jesse had spoken briefly about a new bedroom set for their home. And he said the, the, the talk end with, ended with me saying, Oh, we don't need a new bedroom set.
and home and he said the the talk end with ended with me saying we don't need a new bedroom set and then he came home a few weeks later and three new bedroom sets had been delivered to the house that's just one three bedrooms three everybody gets new beds wall to wall bedroom sets new beds yeah no house needs all new bedroom sets like that you probably don't it's just one of those things um he said he was unaware of the purchases also craig says i don't know where the hell it came from i don't know which how she got it i have no idea they just shit was here so then they get into some phone stuff as well here they get their digital forensic analyst to analyze jesse's cell phone and they find an app on there that displays a phony phone number and hid the authentic number on cell phone displays. Like Google phone numbers.
Yeah, like Google. You can disguise your number.
That's all. There's a ton of apps that do that.
So many. Everything the internet every app, everything we've done has been ways to fucking scheme and connive.
Scheme, connive. It's either that or sex.
And see porn. Yeah.
It's either to get sex, scheme, or connive. To get sex, probably.
One of the two. Scheme, connive, to fuck.
Yeah. And to make you look way more guilty if you do anything when you look at your phone.
Because all of this shit has tracks in some way, shape or form. So it's also doomed.

So this detective obtained information and coordinates from cell towers that mapped all of the cell use by Jesse.

And they also said it was Jesse's voice made on two phone calls made to Lynn's bank as well.

They figured out.

And he says Jesse was using Lynn's credit cards while on a getaway with her boyfriend. She was like, I'll pick up the tab and using Lynn's credit cards.
Out of 22 checks cut from Lynn's money market account opened in October 2014, 20 of those were to Jessie. This included transactions at bars and casinos, places that Lynn has never been before, by the way.
She doesn't go there. These aren't her spots.
These are Jesse's spots. Jesse's friend said that Jesse told her Lynn died after taking too much medication.
Jesse told this young lady that she would pay bills, buy kids' furniture and televisions and often go to the casinos with Lynn's money and write herself checks. So she was bragging about her friend, like, oh, this lady lets me do whatever I want with her money.
This is what I do. Yeah.
So another cop said that Jessie was a suspect in a fraud case where she admittedly admitted that she was trying to open fraudulent accounts under her name of her upstairs neighbors. That's one of the things back in the day she went to jail for.
So opening accounts in someone else's name is her jam that she does. She got like their mail and was like, well, it was sent to me.
I mean, why not? I'll steal their identity. And Anthony, the quasi-nephew, he brought up Lynn's will after her death signed paperwork making jesse the personal representative of lynn's estate and following that he started receiving the credit card bills and all that kind of shit and he was like that's some red flags there sure so july 9th 2019 now this is three years later wow um jesse's living living at Scott's house doing all sorts of shit.

The cops come and raid the house for Jesse.

Oh,

for fraud charges because they got her on all these fraud charges.

And this is the end of their relationship. By the way,

Scott,

this is the final straw.

They fucking ripped his house apart looking for shit,

searching it. And he he was like he has kids

and shit he's like i don't know fuck this this is this is crazy which is in a small town murder episode that is as normal an activity as someone could have to go you made the cops rip my house apart and scare my kids we're finished it's over it's a very normal thing that usually doesn't happen on this show. Right.
So the medical examiner at this point also has a conclusion for the cause of death and everything like that. And from the report, it says the cause of death I determined was tetrahydrozole poisoning.
Hydrazoline. Hydrazoline Tetrahydrosaline poisoning.
Yep. And the medical examiner ruled that Lynn probably didn't deliberately drink this much eyedrop formula.
So she said how this injury occurred is that she was given the tetrahydrosaline by another, which is why I called it a homicide. So it's ruled a homicide.
Yeah. Yeah.
Nobody ever thinks this. I squirt this bottle in my throat.
No, that's never, never happened before. And the crazy part is just last week on on patrol or live PD or whatever the fuck it was, we turned it on and there was a situation in a Walgreens where someone was in the bathroom for a long time and they thought they were, you know, out, passed out or, you know, a junkie or something.
And instead this fucking woman in there tried to put eye drops in her eyes and instead put fucking wood glue in her eyes. Oh my god!

The bottles were both clear.

They didn't look exactly alike, but if you were not paying attention on your phone,

she glued her fucking eyes shut.

She glued her eyes shut

and was in the bathroom trying to put water

and get the glue out of her eyes.

Her eyes were all fucked up and she's like,

I'm okay. And then she had warrants and they

arrested her. I was like, this fucking lady

is having a bad night. They even asked her, they asked her, well, how'd you get here? Do you have a way out? And she said, well, my boyfriend dropped me off.
And they go, and then he just left and she goes, well, he had to drop me off because he's married. And I'm like, this lady's night is a disaster.
Holy shit sorry i've heard of i've heard of uh visine going in drinks to make yes it's the famous bartender's revenge that's what it is yeah yeah yeah yeah to make people out the shits basically that's all it is but i've never heard of being a tetrahydrosoline poisoning that'd be didn't have to be like so many eye drops that's the thing if you if you put enough in to kill someone in their like drink drink they'd be like i think you made my fucking martini week this is weird taste this tastes like uh dry eyes why does it taste like tears what's up with that so detectives bring old jesse back in to talk to her she's in cuffs now because she's in jail from the fraud thing. So, yeah.
Now they say to her, they're trying to look at this as a murder, the cop says to her. There, which I like that they do.
Somebody else. Not me, obviously.
I'm here on your side. I'm a fraud guy.
They're murder guys. That's a trick I use as a process server.
I don't know what they want you to do this is crazy i'm i'm the guy delivering i don't know shit about anything so they want you to pay child support that's crazy wow that those lawyers are assholes that's what you always say these fucking lawyers are fucking assholes man and they're like yeah okay and they take the papers and don't shoot you that's how it works that's how you get out of being murdered on someone's Fucking front doorstep so jesse after being told they're looking at it as a murder jesse says that's just insane to me and is this why i'm here and the detective says one of the reasons yeah and they said jesse said do you guys think i murdered her no i'm not murder cops and the the guy goes did you? Which is a very good question at that point. Well done.
And she says, I swear to God,

I... no i'm not murder cops and the the guy goes did you which is a very good question at that point well done and she says i swear to god i didn't okay all right that's a decent start no would have been a great thing to say no absolutely not fucking crazy no um standing on it like that is weird yeah so the detective says typically would you go there in the morning or the night or? And Jesse says, I didn't have a set.
It just depended how she was doing the day before. And, you know, that kind of thing.
So then they talk to her about the money. Well, if you didn't show up at a certain time or like days, how did she pay you? Basically, because you got money from these checks.
So how does that work? And she said that, well, she said, I got that money because Lynn's been paying me for helping her. And they said, okay, do you have like an official arrangement? Like I make $20 an hour, anything like that, you know, whatever.
She said, no, no, no, there was nothing, no, nothing like that. I mean, there was no, you know, one day, oh, here's a check.
One day, here's my card. Go get this.
One day, that i mean there was no you know one day oh here's a check

one day here's my card go get this one day i mean it was no no set and then the detective says no set amount yeah by the way that was a word salad that she gave out there she really tried hard to explain it and got nowhere got nowhere she got like a bunch of half sentences basically that That's a bad sign to not have an A to B explanation of that.

So no set amount. Jesse says, no, I mean, she'd help out.
She'd tell my mom, oh, this month I'm going to pay your rent or I'm going to pay your car. Who does that, by the way? Nobody.
Hey, I just decided this month I'll pay your car payment, normal, able-bodied adult. Yeah.

In exchange for you doing what you're doing, I paid your child, I paid your car payment directly. Yeah.
I called them. I paid your mom's rent for some reason.
That's weird. So strange.
Very, very strange. So then they said, listen, it's the autopsy that we're concerned with here.
Toxicology reports. The guy says there's an anomaly in her toxicology.
There's a drug in her system that's not supposed to be there. And Jesse says, and what would that be? Uh-oh.
And he says, it's called tetrahydrosolene. Fucking God.
Hydrosolene. Hydrosolene.
They misspelled it on here. So then I was like, there's an L in there somewhere.
Where is it? Tetrahydrosolene yeah hydrosolene they misspelled it on here so i was like there's an l in there somewhere where is it tetrahydrosolene uh they and jess says what is that and the detective says more commonly known as eye drops commonly known as the shit that ben stein sells people you know the shit that when you're stoned you'd put in your eyes as a teenager so your parents wouldn't know. You know that stuff? Yeah.
Yeah. So Jesse right away says she uses eye drops all the time.
Oh. And the guy says, what did she use them for? Yeah.
Which is a good question here. Jesse says she used them for her eyes.
She'd put them in her eyes all the time. Okay.
How much gallons? How much of it did she put in her eyes? It got in her eyes enough bloodstream leaked into her mouth and through her fucking nasal cavity snored it how did she do doing so the detective says what killed her is the eye drops and jesse says are you serious and she's all like oh my god and the detective says he's yep. Don't say a word.
Let her try to get out of this.

You know what I mean? So

at that point,

he says, like, the medical examiner thinks

someone gave her the eye drops

orally in an attempt to kill her.

That's what the

medical examiner's report

says. So Jesse says,

do you guys think I murdered her? Ma'am he says again did you right and she says i swear to god i didn't i did not uh-oh no because she took the contraction away yeah so the detective says it says seems like you're the one who had the most to gain from this you know qui bono here bitch what's going on and uh yeah um the detective said also that they found out through her phones that you know all about tetrahydrosoline as a matter of fact oh because we saw in text messages with your boyfriend scott that someone had put it in your drink when you were at a bar about three months after Lynn's death. Right.
And then the detective reads the text out. Text message? Oh, shit.
You to Scott. Scott, I don't feel good.
Uh-huh. And, you know, she said she went to the hospital after that.
And here are her texts. They said my blood pressure is really bad.
I have traces of tetrahydrosoline in my blood. The doctor said that's the main ingredient in eye drops.
He said people put it in people's drinks all the time. He said there's no taste to it and people don't notice.
Okay. And then she also says, quote, you can die from that.
So she's acting like, what do you mean when she described this exact fucking thing yeah right to her boyfriend so they're at an impasse they say you did you kill her and she says no you sure yeah yeah promise scouts on her and she's like fucking all i got it all swear to god never mind so they go okay they send her back to her cell the next day she said i want to talk to you guys again. Hey, guys.
Oh, I got some all. Swear to God.
Never mind. So they go, okay.
They send her back to her cell. The next day she said, I want to talk to you guys again.
Hey guys. Oh, I got some things to say.
I got some things to say here. So that this is after spending her first night in jail.
Cause that was when they arrested her. It was that one.
Now she's got a different story. Okay.
Now at first she said, yeah, she used eye drops all the time in her eyes.

Now she says, quote, I was up all night trying to think of everything and anything.

I was thinking of the visines.

She boofs visine.

Yeah, the visines.

And that's on purpose, too.

That's not just like her talking weird here.

She says, quote, she was drinking vodka and visine the worst mixer ever the worst mixer vodka visine vodka visine a v&v please thank you i think i vodka red bull is disgusting but this is another level you know what i I mean? This is the worst mixer ever. Fuck a Tom Collins mix.
Fuck a grapefruit juice and orange juice and this and that. This is the most disgusting mixer.
Let me get a V&B. We don't have Visine.
We got clear eyes. That'll do.
Fuck it, I guess. We need a vodka and Visine.
Clear eyes, okay? I guess. guess that is awful i guess if all you have is well fine that's fine as long as it's got gray goose that opcon a shit is that's the that's the top shelf that's like a johnny walker blue you know what i mean a shot of that's gonna cost you vodka visine who the fuck says she said she was drinking vodka and visine who the what's gonna be like oh that explains it thank you for clearing that up thank you all right send her back to her cell give her give her a good food tonight too extra we'll go we're gonna order her a pizza in her lady that just made it so much weird thank you so the doc the detective here says how do you know she mixed visine with with her vodka you said like yeah she for real she says because that's what she did that's what she did and the detective asked the question i think every single of the hundreds of thousands of people listening right now why that's a great huh why and jesse says she's done it about three times and the detective says why number one then he says and another why why didn't you tell us about this yesterday when we brought it up? Yeah.
And she says, quote, because I didn't want to tell you guys because you guys are making it sound like it happened the day of. And that's not when she was doing that.
Oh. Okay.
But that makes no sense of why you didn't tell us this shit. So the detective says, did you ever put the vodka in the visine? Did you ever put the vodka or the visine into the vodka? Right.
Did you mix this? Was it on the rocks or neat? How did you do this? Are you the bartender here? Is it shaking? How does this work? Is it a martini form? How many olives does she like or does she prefer a pearl onion? Yeah. Jessie says, never.
Swear to God. She loves to swear to God, this one.
Yeah, favorite person. So the detective said, so she put the visine in her vodka.
Yeah, she did it. And Jesse says, yep.
Okay. Then she said, there's a pause, like them staring at her like she's got seven fucking heads, obviously.
Right. Like, you're going to have to elaborate.
Lady, we don't get it. Further.
She says, quote, she was looking for a way out. Yeah.
You just slept on this, and this is what you came back to us with. You had a long night in jail to sit and think about this shit.
And your first night in jail you probably didn't sleep very well so yeah so they go but you she's looking for a way out but you didn't help her with that way out did you did you do that and she said quote i never mixed it i swear to god i bought it for her i knew she was mixing it she put it into her water once in a while and in her vodka once in a while this makes no fucking sense by the way no run on up to walgreens and get me my mixers and she says later she she like buys like six bottles of it at a time of visine which is enough to make a whole drink so they kept going back to why wouldn't you tell us this information yesterday? Yeah. What? What's the deal? How could you not tell us that when we told you and you acted like, oh, weird.
I don't know. Like, that's fucking crazy.
We've talked to you twice. And in none of those times, even though you've done research.
Right. Because you were poisoned to know that it's poisonous and it could kill you, you still didn't bring that up knowing that she drinks the shit literally as a mixer with vodka.
Wow. Shot chaser or mixer.
She didn't say she's mixing it, right? Mixing it with Visine, yeah. That's crazy.
Jesse then says that one time that once Lynn started having so much visine at the house, just laying around, that that's when Jesse researched it, too. That's why I looked it up then because I was like, why does she have all this Visine? Then Jesse said that Lynn tried pills twice, but it didn't work.
So then she said that Lynn had dumped Visine into a bottle of vodka for days prior to her death. She was like drinking off this Vizine and vodka bottle that she had mixed together.
She claims that Lynn became very ill twice before her death from drinking Vizine and was, quote, shitting all over. This poor woman, this poor fucking woman.
And she can have no dignity in death. even.
It's like, I like i don't know she's just drinking visine and shitting all over the place okay wow um she said then lynn made her give me your phone because you know lynn doesn't have a smartphone yeah so she said that lynn made her give her her phone so that she could research suicide methods.

Oh, let me see your phone.

I want to do a little research on suicide methods.

She said that Lynn bought a gun with which she intended to kill herself and had in fact that Jesse had saved Lynn from killing herself on at least two occasions.

After the first time happened, she walked in and found Lynn with a gun in her hand,

and she talked her out of it.

And then two other occasions, she talked her down from a suicidal ledge, basically.

Wow.

Yeah.

Arrowing tail.

She's shitting all over the place.

She's covered in shit, and I'm saving her anyway.

Knocking guns out of her hand. When you mixed shit and weird cocktails and all sorts, this is a strange story.
Yeah. So they're at an impasse again where they keep saying that.
She's going, I don't know, man. She just likes Visine.
And they went back and forth and they were like, anything else? And she's like, nope, just wanted to tell you that she likes Visine. And she mixes it with her vodka and she's like, I'll be going to my cell now and then the next day guess what she does what hey guys can i talk to you one more time they're getting tired of her by now like i can't like look it's called anticipation and suspension just a talky murder suspect you really are i need to have some suspense on this story Holy shit.
Third time in three days. Yeah.
And she says this quote. She said she lost like feeling of her body.
It made her feel good. And I honestly and I honestly she was doing it for so long that I didn't think she was going to die far from it.
I really didn't. I thought, OK, she was getting some sleep from it.
That's it. She was doing it for two months at least.

She's getting sleep from Visine?

Yes, Visine.

I think the vodka would be the active ingredient in sleepiness, I would imagine.

Because when I drink vodka, I get sleepy.

That's the depressant, yeah. No Visine in it at all.

We had those martinis, came back.

You said, I'm going to go to the bathroom.

I'll see you in a minute. And we both that's what that's what happened in our separate quarters yeah you have too much visine last night yeah man i didn't realize i just put too many drops in my eyes that was the problem to do with the vodka at all nothing um wow and it made her feel good she was doing it for two months and the detective said doing what doing what? And she said, the Visine, of course.
Yeah, doing the Visine. She said, now she says that Lynn actually did drink Visine the day she died.
Remember before, she said her whole reason for showing up yesterday was because they thought she was drinking it the day she died when she wasn't. And she needed to tell them that.
She's been doing it for a long time yeah now she claims

whole new story that when she visited lynn that morning that jesse knew that lynn had poured six bottles of visine six a sixer she did a whole six pack a whole six pack of that's crazy into her own water bottle.

And Jesse said that

bottle of water right there had six

six visine. That's crazy.
Into her own water bottle. Uh-huh.
And Jessie said that bottle of water right there had six, six visines. Nobody's ever described the measurement of visine as six visines.
How many bottles? Visine is a drop thing. Two drops in each eye.
It doesn't say anything about how many bottles you use for anything. If you get, like, a piece of dust or something in your eye, you will squirt that shit in there, but you're not.
It's like five drops then, and it's all over your face, and you're like, oh, Jesus Christ. You got more in my ear than in my eye.
You try not to get it in your mouth because you don't want to be shitting yourself later. So you're like, ah, doing that shit, wiping it all off with your shoulder fucking shirt.
Six Vizines. Six Vizines.
She threw a sixer down, man. She was raging that night.
Having a rager. It's the craziest thing that we've ever said.
It's what I mean. This is the story.
It's bonkers, dude. It's fucking bonkers.
Visine. I think she had six.

That's way too much to drive.

I know.

She had a 40 and she just was just hitting it, man.

Too bad they don't make it in kegs.

That would be great.

So Jesse says, I didn't put it in there.

I gave her a bottle of water.

Okay.

You know, what she does with her own water.

I figured it was like those flavor drops people put in.

I don't know.

One of those things.

So the detective said, which is the one you know has six bottles of Visine in it?

And she says, yep.

Okay.

And they said, because she told you and you give it to her.

Is that it? And Jesse saysesse says well we argued about it oh she said that they spent 10 minutes going back and forth trying she was trying to stop her from you know this fatal visine dose that's it please put the visine down that's all i ask of you is not something that you hear very often. And she said, Jesse said, quote, she said, no, I want that bottle of water.
It'll put me to sleep or just drink vodka. And the detective says, and then you gave in.
And Jesse says, yep, yep. It's her choice and what she wanted.
And they said, and then you left.

And she says, yep.

So they said, well, what about the JCPenney credit card that you opened in her name and went grocery shopping?

And what about that? You were so sad you bought a nearly defunct store's credit card and then went grocery shopping did you stop at sears afterwards to anywhere else fucking circuit city Montgomery war yeah what's happening so jesse after all those questions says quote i didn't do it to her though i didn't and starts crying and sobbing i didn't do it to her. though.
I didn't, and starts crying and sobbing. I didn't do

it to her. You've given us three different

stories and then open credit cards

after a woman visined herself to

death. In your way, yeah.

Then they find,

they ask her about, well, there's deleted files

from your phone for searches

for various poisonings. This is

both before and after her death.

One of them was, quote, cyanide.pdf. What? Cyanide.pdf, a PDF form about all you need to know about cyanide, which is hilarious.
That's one of the things she had on her phone, a file she downloaded. Where did she get that from? I'm sure you could find it at probably a scientific or a medical thing that describes the cyanide, how much, you know.
Oh, she probably Googled cyanide and then clicked the document and downloaded it. Didn't realize she downloaded it.
No, didn't realize when that little thing jumped in her phone. I was like, oh, that's a download, lady.
That little bouncing file thingy. That means you own that now.
She probably clicked and it didn't happen and then clicked some other stuff to get to and didn't realize that she downloaded it. Possibly.
I'll bet she didn't. Possibly.
Or I think maybe when you click on something, I guess it's on your phone, it might technically be a download that will save you cash possibly. I'm not sure how that works.
And we're not fucking. I don't know.
We're not. I'm not looking at cyanide.pdf.
No, that's's the other thing i've never been on that one before and oddly enough i'm one of the few people who have reason to look for that kind of shit that's that would somehow be not suspicious on my computer compared to everything else i look for so then she maintained that lynn would use her phone to look up ways to kill herself and that um jesse says she didn't remember searching for poisons a month before she was taken into custody either she also claims she gave lynn the water bottle filled with the eye drops the day she died because she always gives into what lynn wants you know i just can't help it she said quote i know that i'm probably going to prison for the rest of my life for helping her with what she wanted. And then she keeps crying.
She loves. She's a big crier.
This one. Really? Oh, she's always crying.
Yeah. Always crying.
So then she is in custody and she makes a call to her boyfriend, Scott. Yeah.
OK. Who's not her boyfriend anymore.
After the arrest. Oh, he broke up, huh? He's done with her because the cops raided his house and fucked the place up.
So he accepted calls from her, though, while she was in custody for some reason. That's an easy click.
Nope. Do you accept charge? Fuck no.
Click. Fuck no.
Done. I'm still paying for the shit that she got broken by the cops.
Yep. I know, being recorded by the cops here and he says on the recording quote you just kept making up more and more lies you're diabolical that's just crazy yeah which is the most normal reaction you could get scott's a real fucking normal guy yeah like i watched him testify in court he's just like this dorky gray-haired normal guy just like real run-of-the-mill and he's like you know yeah once father of four for god's sake he said once cops come into my house and disrupt all this stuff with my kids i can't be with a person like that anymore and i'm like oh my god someone who's not trashed this is great yeah so um he said later on that um you know the kids she was like uh she was like uh like a mother or that lyn Lynn was like a mother to Jesse, even though he never met Lynn.
Jesse kept Lynn and Craig separated even. Is that right? Her boyfriend? Yeah.
Who's Craig? Or Scott Craig is his name. Scott Craig.
Scott. Scott.
Scott. That's right.
Yeah. That's why he said his last name there.
Right, right. So that's very interesting.
He also thought that he said, I never met her because I thought she was in a coma because that's what Jesse told me. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
He said that Jesse told me that she was in a coma for months prior to her death. So that's what I thought.
And by the way, Lynn was never in a coma. That never happened.
No. She made it up.
Maybe a Visine one, but no coma. Yeah.
She's in a vodka coma. So on this recorded phone call, he says, why'd you tell me she was in a fucking coma? Why'd you lie to me about all that shit? And Jesse says, quote, I told you that to protect you for a reason.
Oh, I was trying to. uh Craig just says quote that's pretty disgusting that's a disgusting thing to lie about Scott Craig says so yeah and then they talk about how she spent months without a job and pretended to go to work and that even while you're unemployed you're giving my fucking kids gifts you're you're offering to send my ex wife to Thailand because you're stealing this fucking sick lady's money you're fucked up you're real fucked up he levels her man it's fucking awesome um then they find texts between scott and jesse indicating that jesse um that's the the the visine text which she's when she was in the hospital and all that kind of thing by the way she was able to spell uh tetrahydrosoline correctly she knows how to spell it knew it could put she's looked it up that's why yeah wow that's like yeah when someone like it's you know talks up says something on social media about us and they spell my last name right without tagging me and having it filled in that's always impressive i'm like oh you must be a fan of the fucking show listen yeah that means she if she knows how to spell that she was looking at it so um then they talk about her you know deleted files about cyanide and poisoning and suicide and um all of that and they said also uh jesse had uh quote jesse sent detectives on a wild goose chase regarding the location of Lynn's safety deposit box, as well as gun parts and visine bottles sealed in plastic bags that they never found.
She was telling him, oh, you can find these here and this here. And none of this stuff actually existed.
She was just like wasting time. So she is finally charged with murder in 2021.
That took a while.

A long fucking time.

Three years. They had her in there because of the fraud anyway.

So they had time to just put the case together and have the charges be whatever.

Now, if she makes bail, the conditions set by the court are no employment as a caregiver, no contact with any casinos,

and no use or possession of over-the-counter eye drops.

I don't give a shit how red your eyes are.

Absolutely not.

You're not allowed to have Visine.

That is contraband, ma'am.

I bet you.

A judge said that.

That's incredible.

I bet you she's the only person in history to be banned from eye job. Banned from clear eyes, completely.
Your eyes shan't be clear, young lady. Yeah, yeah.
That is some shit. So her trial comes up.
And by the way, the craziest part of this hasn't even happened yet. I know that sounds nuts, but the craziest shit she's ever done hasn't even happened yet.
is coming up after the trial and it is unbelievable i can't wait amazing it's the fucking most guilty thing anybody's ever done okay so in the openings of the trial here the prosecutor says that during the second day of interviews with detectives um the jury you will hear jesse tell them that they that lynn did drink visine but jesse says that she never gave Lynn any visine. And, but Jesse does go into detail about how Lynn wanted to kill herself and that Lynn was using the eye drops to help her die by suicide.
She also, Jesse tells detectives that Lynn would get a buzz off drinking visine. Okay.
Impossible. The DA also says there's certainly a factual bare bones timeline of theft, murder and more theft.
They said, but there's there's this almost overlaid timeline of all the defendants lies and deceit. Yeah, she's a fucking liar to everybody.
They accuse her of stealing almost three hundred thousand dollars in total, including money from her estate later on, everything. Then they said she finally gave that water bottle, knowing it had, in the defendant's estimation, six bottles of Visine to Lynn Hernan, knowing it could kill her, and walks out of that condo unit, closes the door, and goes shopping on Lynn's dime.
Wow. Sounds cold as fuck, doesn't it? It does.
Oh, man. Especially such a nice lady, too.
Lynn's a real nice lady. Man.
So the defense comes up now. Now, how do you defend this? Well, she is going to have a Sarah Boone level of amount of attorneys to try to figure it out.
Oh, really? By the end of this, she'll have gone through eight attorneys that withdrew from her case. Not that she fired, that they said, fuck this lady, I'm not working with her.
We can't do it. She wants us to mount a defense that is just illogical and unethical.
I can't say that in front of people. No.
They have cameras. This shit is on the internet now.
It's law and crime or whatever. The whole trial's on fucking YouTube right now.

I'm not going to tell a jury of 12 of my peers

that something is addictive that is not addictive.

All the other lawyers are going to make fun of me.

Do you understand?

Later on at the lawyer meeting,

they're all going to pick on me,

and I can't take it.

It's too much already.

I've got to go sit down with these people in the future.

I don't go to jail when you do.

No, I'm going to get wedgies because of this. They're going to totally pick on me.
Noogies and wedgies, and I won't have it. They're going to be saying things like visine withdrawals at me.
God damn it. I can't do that in front of people.
So the defense says, quote, if Lynn Hernan was there today, she would say, are you crazy, prosecution?

That's my daughter you have sitting in that desk over there.

That's my daughter.

She said she had a boatload of prescription medication in her system, and they're saying Vizine killed her, not the other pills she had in her system along with alcohol.

Okay.

And he says along.

This guy also says that Lynn knew that Jesse was spending her money and that Lynn was depressed and coping with alcohol and prescription medication. And he said that Lynn wanted to die and didn't like life.
He says, but she introduced people to Jesse. This is my daughter.
And that's who Jesse is to Lynn, her daughter. Yeah.
Jennifer, meaning her mom, that's Jesse's mom. Jennifer's like her best, best friend, and Jesse became her best, best friend.
Oh, boy. He then says Jesse was the only person she trusted.
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They said she was tired of being sick and she decided to take her own life. They said when police arrived on the scene, they found a lot of empty prescription bottles and they can't see that as a suicide.
And then points to Jesse and says, she's innocent. You find her not guilty.
They said, look at all the powder she had spilled on herself. She said, Jesse told you it was common for Lynn to crush up medications because of her problem swallowing pills.
Oh, so she's got a narrow throat. She's got a narrow throat, so she just snorts it all because that's normal.
Or just does it in liquid form. Something, but none of the crushed up shit was in her system.
So that's a hard argument to make. So the medical evidence, they said the belief that the prosecution says this, the belief that Lynn Hernan was given tyrahydrosaline by another shows that she was given this unsuspectingly.
She didn't know that she was ingesting this substance when she did it. And the defense said to the medical examiner, these are all the drugs that were found in her system, right? And they had a list and the medical examiner says, correct.
And they were all in her blood, which means they'd already been ingested and made it into the bloodstream. The doctor says, true.
They said, your conclusion was that she died from tetrahydrosaline, right? And she said that, yes. And the defense asked how the medical examiner could be so certain that she didn't ingest the eye drops on her own.
And they said, you don't know as you sit here today whether she voluntarily ingested that. And the doctor says, it was my opinion she didn't, but knowledge of her action, no.
Obviously, I wasn't there. But then on redirect, they asked about the powder found on and near her body, and they said that wasn't in her system, right? What's up with that? They said no.
And the prosecution says, what do you think happened? And the doctor said, I think that they may have been deposited there. Someone put them there, basically.
Hey, I'm no. Yeah, Chappelle joke.
Sprinkles a crack on it. Yeah, sprinkles a crack on it.
Now it's drug crime, yeah. Yeah, from fucking killing them softly.
So Jim Kelleher is also going to testify, the friend, Lynn's friend. They ask him, did you ever hear Lynn say anything to you about killing herself or thinking about killing herself? Jim said, no, I did not.
She never, never gave me the indication of being suicidal. Never.
The woman's trying her best to get healthy, for Christ's sake. She's trying, damn it.
Yeah, she was talking about hanging out and let's get together. The defense presents their case.
Jessie's mother's friend testifies. Sure.
Gary Verdon, who's a friend of the mom there, testified that he'd been in Lynn's condo twice, the second time about a year before her death. But he said his memory was very clear.
He said, quote, I always saw her sitting in this chair. A chair? Did you have to search for the word chair? Sometimes, look, man, some dummies like me have uh chair chair with four legs yeah i get there's words plenty of words where i'm struggling because i'm trying to think of the next thing and the last thing and i'm following you know all my notes trying to find a chair interesting word in like fucking lazy boy.
Fucking, yeah, something. I don't know what he was doing, but.
Chair. Chair.
Chair. Whatever.
Fuck it. Chair.
I gave up. Wow.
With a table next to her. She had a white Slurpee cup, a straw coming out of it.
She had a bottle of vodka next to it. She had an ashtray, her cigarettes, and a bottle of Visine.
Ooh, that's a fun night she's got in front of her. She's a heavy smoker, too, by the way, Lynn, as a 70s and 80s hairdresser kind of has to be by law, I feel like.
They said, are you sure it's Visine?

And this guy said, yes, absolutely.

He said on another occasion he heard Lynn on speakerphone when he visited

Jessie's mother, Jennifer Flower.

This Gary said, Lynn just started rambling off, and she was either sleepy

or tired or whatever, but she was rattling off about the will.

Then she started talking about how she wanted to kill herself.

Okay.

That's normal conversation people have on speakerphone.

My will, my will, my will.

By the way, I really, this is important because I'm going to kill myself.

Did I mention that?

Right.

Oh, my God.

Then the defense called a nurse practitioner who began treating Lynn for back pain in 2017.

Despite prescribing several pain medications for her,

she said Lynn did not improve.

And so they asked her in 2018, January,

she continues to complain about back pain,

and the nurse says yes,

and they said the pain being worsening,

and she says yes.

Then they bring in the forensic pathologist,

and this person says, this doctor says, I would say her past medical history was very significant she had a long list of medical conditions and also had quite a few psychiatric disorders depression anxiety agoraphobia which is fear of public places chronic insomnia those were the ones that were listed in her medical records in her chart those are all she, though. She's been going to doctors for a long time and had these problems here, but she's always tried to get help for it, too.
She realizes she has problems and tries to fix them, or at least mitigate them a bit. So this doctor also said she agreed with the state's conclusion that Lynn's medical problems contributed to her death.
She did not agree with the state's finding that Lynn died from tetrahydrazoline poisoning. The prosecutor says the forensic pathologist that the defense brought up said that Lynn's cause of death was undetermined, but she believed it was a mixed drug toxicity.
And so that means she thought it was a combination of all the drugs found in the system there. So they say, would you say there's strong evidence here that Lynn Hernan's death was a suicide? And the defense pathologist says, uh, I would say that's a good way to start.
I would say there's strong evidence that it certainly could have been a suicide. Yes.
So that's the defense is saying, see, suicide. And the prosecution's going, obviously fucking not.
Jesus Christ. Yeah.
This woman's just super lucky, happens to get a benefactor who can't wait to kill herself and give you all of her money. That's ridiculous.
So will Jesse testify? Will she? That's the big question. And Jesse says, quote, it was very hard for me to decide, but ultimately I will not be testifying.

She tells the judge.

So prosecution.

Here's the closings.

Prosecution.

D.A. says that there's one motive here.

Money.

That's it.

Jesse's clear.

Her intent is clear.

It was to kill.

And the motive is her own personal benefit.

This is someone who has profited over one hundred and forty four thousand dollars the death and over $80,000 after the death. Oh, shit.
So pretty cut and dried here. So the defense, though, says, no, no, no.
It's obvious she took her own life. That's what's obvious here.
We're looking for obvious shit. The defense says the state has not proven a first degree intentional homicide.
Jessie knew that Lynn would take Vizine and drink it, but she doesn't know how she decided how she died that day. It looked like a suicide with pills from a person that was unhappy.
As for the allegations of theft, the defense says she didn't steal that money. She was given that money.
Yeah, it was a gift. She said she was giving away her money because she knew she was going to kill herself.
That's like when people give away their possessions. It happens.
She said Lynn gave Jesse all money all the time because she wanted to. She wanted Jesse to have it.
She knows she's going. She knows she's going out.
And Lynn made a decision. She made a decision that she was going to exit.
And she did that on October 3rd. Once Jesse had left the home home okay in the prosecutor rebuttal they say to believe this is a suicide you would have to believe that the most cosmic intervention in the entire world and it happened at the exact point in time when jesse maximized the amount of money that she made on this whole ordeal yeah she saw she had no more money left in her money market eventually she's going's going to see that and probably blame her.
And then she was still on probation from her last prison stint for fraud. She's going to get caught for fraud, and she's going to go back for a long time.
She's going away for 10 years. She just did six years for this.
She's going back for 10 now. Easy.
So that's not great at all. So the verdict comes in.
Ten and a half hours of deliberation. Is that long? That's a long fucking time.
That's more than I would need. That's what I mean.
It's not long in general, but for this case, it seems like a while. Nine and a half hours, way too long.
Are we just going to vote guilty now or after we eat lunch? When are doing this because obviously this is crazy you guys could eat huh okay what we want to we're gonna argue this out over a vodka and visine that's who wants some v and v's on me baby at the corner bar so they find her guilty of first degree murder she of course broke down crying as she does multiple times in court. She's also convicted on two counts of felony theft as well.
Anthony, the quasi-nephew, said, I was just overcome with emotion. It makes you reflect on the last five years with the lies and deceit.
Now, now's when it gets weird, okay? Really? If you haven't, you may think it's weird so far, but you ain't seen shit yet.

All right.

From this point, she's now awaiting sentencing and that takes a while, right? It's a couple of months until sentencing. They have to get their, you know, both sides have to prepare their case for sentencing and all the pre-sentencing reports and all that kind of shit.
So during this time, an envelope containing 37 pages of handwritten letters and documents was

received by a friend of Jesse's who turned it over to the sheriff's department.

Oh,

okay.

This is fucking crazy.

Now,

the Jesse claims,

this is not,

she did not write these letters.

The problem is the letters are written on the back of her own court notes from court. No one has possession of these court notes except for her.
They're the notes she writes to her lawyers and stuff like that. And her lawyers write a little something back on it.
You see people scribbling in court all the time. That's what they're doing.
She – because that's the only paper she had in the holding cell in the jail. She would take those back and then flip them over and write this letter on it.
Nobody will look at the back of these. No.
And she claims this isn't her, even though it's her shit. So it's wild.
Uh, the prosecutor said the letter requests a friend of Jesse to fake evidence, create a voice recording, to be Lynn Hernan, to send all of this to the judge in the case, to the local media, even to the governor to try to prove Jesse's innocence. This letter is fucking insane.
I have the whole thing. We're going to read it.
It's awesome. So the prosecutor said the documents were written by Jesse on the back of her trial notes, giving directions to her friend on how to impersonate Hernan and fabricate materials and submit them to the court.
This is crazy. She said that when you make the audio tape, make sure to know that Lynn has an older, raspy female voice.
It's an old gal. Yeah, you know, like that kind of, you know.
Make it sound like you smoked for 40 years. That's exactly what she says.
She says to her, she's a heavy smoker. Make it for forever.
Make it sound like it. Make it sound like one of the Simpsons sisters.
Make it sound like Selma. Yeah.
Patty or Selma. She says she directed her friend to say exactly what to say on the tape.
Quote, I can't go on anymore. I cannot go on anymore, which makes it more dramatic.
I chose to drink Visine and end my life. Yeah.
Okay. This is fucking amazing.
Now, the letter here, they give it to the judge, and it says, Enclosed there is a packet of 37 pages that are dated November 22nd and were received by the Waukesha County Sheriff's Department on November 26, 2023. The packet of papers is comprised of Jesse's initial letter to the recipient, followed by many pages of instructions, whereby she asks and instructs the recipient on how to create fraudulent documents along with a fraudulent cassette recording.
The recipient received this packet of papers at her home and was disturbed by what was being asked of her, and ultimately the recipient decided to turn them over to law enforcement. The state wishes to point out the original paperwork was double-sided, which is important to note as Your Honor reads through the papers because her substantive instructions were written on the back of her own trial note pages from her recent trial.
For example, pages 17 and 18 of this packet are the same, but for the exception of the post-it note that she utilized as a means of showing the recipient where the recipient should place a fraudulent copy of a notary stamp on that document. She's even teaching her how to fraudulently notarize things.
Page 19 is then a reverse side of that same sheet of paper and contains her notes taken during the trial. The same is true of pages 20 and 21 being the same, but for the instructions on where to place the notary stamp.
Okay. They said this is important because she's now written new fraudulent letters purporting to be from Lynn Hernan, dated back in 2016 and 17 on the back of her paperwork from trial, which obviously occurred in 2023.
Okay. Here's the letter.
Here, by the way, it's written in absolute. Oh, for fuck's sake.
That's a woman. Girl cursive.
Yeah. This is every chick you sat next to in sixth grade did this, and then their eye dot the eye with a circle.
But she doesn't do that. She falls short of that.
Okay. Now, if I struggle for a minute, it's going to be to read her cursive on this copied paper.
But I'll try to go through this pretty smoothly. Dear Jessica, this poor Jessica.
Oh, boy. I wanted to thank you for being a friend.
Travel down the road and back again. Your heart is true.
You're a pal and a confidant. And if you threw a party, invited everyone you knew, you would see the biggest gift would be from me.
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend. That's literally her first line is, thank you for being a friend.

That's so funny. It's hilarious.
Thanks for being a pal about this. Thank you.
Just literally thank you for being a friend through this crap. I mean that.
This is crap now. Some days I feel so alone and now more so.
Yeah. I feel very selfish lately.
And I hope I told you I am sorry for your loss of your brother. I haven't asked either how you're doing or your kiddo.
I hope all is well. Okay, that's her.
Look, I'm not a bad person. And now.
I'm considering your family. Now, here's some shit that is highly illegal and will get you put in prison.
Help a murderer fucking get out of her birth. As long as you're well.
Only if you're up for it. There's some things I need you to do.
If you're not feeling great, I'd suggest a V&V. You'll sleep well tonight.
Now, considering you have a child, now let me put you in, maybe make that child grow up without a mom.

Horrifying legal danger.

Let's do that.

Let's put you in awful legal peril now.

How's that sound?

Considering your child may have to visit you

through glass for a while.

At least it won't make your brother sad anymore.

Since we know he's dead.

Wow.

I appreciate you coming for court and both you and your friends, please tell them too. I don't know, Jess.
This is just insane to me. I sit here day in and day out, replaying and replaying everything.
I cannot spend the rest of my life locked away for something I didn't do. Then she says, this isn't right.
I wish I had the jury's names. I so want to reach out.
I'm losing my mind about this. Yeah, that's why they don't give you their names, so you can't harass the jurors who convicted you of murder.
Like, that's crazy. I wish I had their names and their family and their addresses.
You know, their addresses and maybe just what their weaknesses are. You know, their kids' school schedules and, you know, activity schedules possibly.
And access to their drinks. Pictures of their spouses and access to phyzen.
Possibly some ball-making materials. Oh, shit.
Then she goes on to say, if I'm honest, this is such such a butter you have no idea that you're going to be

asked to do such horrible shit from the first part of this if i'm honest i don't know how much more i can take i've wanted i've wasted four and a half years for this to be made right or i've waited four and a half years for this to be made right and it got 10 times worse not better i don't want to be here anymore.

I don't want to be convicted of murder anymore.

It was fun for a while but first you know the the processing wasn't so bad the fingerprinting then they i don't see anybody anymore they're not and they're not letting me out either it's weird like i asked to go to the store no one's doing i said when the guards leave i said hey can I said, Hey, can you pick me up something? Bring it back. No, they don't do it.
It's weird. I don't even talked.
It's fucked up, man. That is amazing.
Um, I don't want to be here anymore. I'm so strong in my faith, but right now I can't even open my Bible.
I don't understand. I can't go a day without breaking down at my new reality, staring at these walls.
I keep thinking of all the things I want to even do or have. The hardest one is not being able to see my grandparents before they pass and not being able to have kids.
Well, you had all the opportunity to have kids, and if your grandparents want to visit you, they're welcome to. Yeah, they're allowed in.
They're fine. They probably won't because you're an asshole and they're embarrassed by you you're in trouble and you're in a lot of trouble i'm glad i'm glad on the family you're really an embarrassment you're all that anyone talks about when we go places it's not great i'm glad i don't with all of this but by far that's one i get super emotional about it's what i always wanted then there's my mom i worry about she's got nobody left she would have to be she would have taken her life long ago but i needed her i'm the only thing keeping my mom alive she would have taken her life long ago why why is everyone so suicidal up here what's happening in peak in pewaukee you guys are Tripping, holy shit the brewers will win eventually it's fine just calm the fuck down jesus christ um i needed her she's struggling with all of this and blaming herself because she couldn't deal with with uh lynn anymore okay then and she went and dealt with her so i stepped up to help lynn daily when she stopped and because she couldn't testify we had a pact if things went wrong like this we we were both checking out if we were who her and her mom if we were convicted of murder we're both what the fuck are you talking about I'm trying to fight to fight and hang on but it's so hard I feel like I'm fighting a lost cause.
This county is so crooked, it's not even funny. The county? The county's crooked.
You walk a show, you're fucked up. You should see just what I've uncovered in Discovery since the trial ended that they lied about on the stand.
It's so wrong.

So I talked with one of my attorneys about stuff in person,

and I got a biggie for you to ask of you.

It took her two pages to ask this favor.

First of all, this is big.

You know something bad's coming up.

I got a big favor to ask. Okay, ask away.

First of all, this is big. Oh, boy.
Never mind. I'm very well aware of how big this is.
This is big. I trust you, and whether you help or not, there's something I need you to take.
This is something I need you to take to your grave. Even this envelope didn't go through the jail mail.
My attorney took it. This is one of my, this one of my attorneys, this is one of my attorney's ideas.
And clearly they aren't going to tell anyone. I would never tell a soul.
You can tell someone if it's to ask for help. But if you trust them and I, and if you can't, and if you aren't comfortable, I'm going to give you another person's address and send it to them with directions and please.
So if you won't do it, give it to this person and see if they'll do it either way. Do not talk about it on the phone or visit.
And that's underlines. Do not talk and phone and visit or underlined.
you cannot or you can say if you got your letter, if you can do it, just say, yes, I want you to send me a something form when you get to somewhere. And if not, then say you need that address for my friend and I'll figure out who plan B is and give you a name and address to forward it to.
I know that all sounds cryptic because it is. Yeah.
I know this sounds highly illegal and like I'm a real secretive because it's super illegal and I'm very secret. Probably sounds like I'm beating around the bush and I am, but it's because you need to do some thinking about how this has to unfold and be done.
It's a lot. Then she says, LOL, which is hilarious that she put LOL in here because it is LOL.
No LOLs in your jail letters to your friends to try to get them to help you beat a murder charge. No LOLs.
We are trying to make a stir, a big stir to show just how wrong things are, but I need help because there's only so much I can do in here. First, you need to know I did not kill Lynn.
You should have said that in the first line. That's first.
First, nor did I assist, nor did I even steal a dime from her ever. My something charges are that old, dumb, or my old charges are that old, dumb, and young.
Okay. Love you, Jesse.

And then I thank you for everything under that.

And now the directions start.

It says, I'll show you directions on top.

Oh God.

This is what I need.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

Do you remember hearing about the, what is this?

Oh, the, the picnic or the park, the Whitehall park where I buried things.

Okay.

That was 100% true.

the Oh, the picnic or the park, the Whitehall Park, where I buried things. Okay, that was 100% true.
The difference is six months later or so, I regularly went on a walk there daily. That area was prone to flooding, and the bag was sticking out one day, so I dig it out and ended up throwing it away.
Only one person know that, my attorney. Everyone else believes it's in the park

or never was in the

park. So it's either still there or never was

there. It was part of the

gun, Visine bottles

Lynn had dated from

Lynn had dated from

her mom's death.

I never told anyone that.

She dated her Visine bottles.

I don't

know why you would do that.

I'm going would do that. Lynn did.
Lynn did. Yeah.
These are my, they expire and I don't know, uh, notarized papers of hers and a cassette tape, um, old school voice reading of Lynn. Yeah.
All something stuff that I kept hidden. All, I can't read that.
All something stuff that I kept hidden and quiet. But she spells it quite.
She kept it hidden and quite. That word really fucks murderers.
They do it all the time. They can't get quiet right.
And it's not a spell check. It's a curse of handwriting.
I don't know if I ever told you about Lynn's mom or if you heard when Dana or Donna tried to bring it up in court and the judge shot down. The state requested her mom's something, records, records.
There we go, but never turned them over. While I was in prison in 2013, Lynn's mom died.
She gave her visine and her tea when she cut her out of her will. When she found out, her mom, she was stealing her money.
Her mom died. She got dizzy and fell downstairs.
No autopsy was done. So she's saying Lynn killed her mom with Visine is what she's saying.
So Lynn's a murderer. Lynn's a murderer.
Marked herself too. With Visine.
That's her. That's her thing here.
Yeah. But she was always afraid.
I didn't know this until after Lynn's passing. That's why she gave money away.
It haunted her. That's her excuse.
It haunted her. So she felt bad about killing her mom, so she gave away money to perfect strangers to heal her own heart.
Yes, that makes her feel better about the whole thing. Give away all of her worldly possessions because she's down to 80 bucks.
And it was, by the way, the whole point of killing her mom was to get this money.

Right, right.

That's why she did it.

And then she gave it all away.

Then she gave it all to 80 bucks and was like, well, I got nothing left.

So it's time to go to the big Visine bottle in the sky.

Let's do this.

Time to go visit Ben Stein.

Holy shit.

It haunted her. Also, how and why she started drinking it.
First was to die, but it didn't happen. She'd been drinking it for months.
I didn't know till the end, in parentheses, but numbed her pain and helped her sleep. That's not what Visine does.
She was an insurance, or no, an insomniac, and Xanax wasn't helping her to sleep anymore. Wow.
Weak Xanax. Okay, sorry it's complicated.
Yes, and I'm to blame because I didn't save the stuff. But at the time, what did I need it for? And I didn't want anyone knowing what I found out.
So here's what I'm trying to do. Yeah, get to that.
Recreate that stuff. She's trying to recreate evidence that will clear.
Quote, recreate it. In other words, make up this evidence and make it happen.
That is crazy. I did what I could.
I wrote up the letters, will, etc., and I signed all names, dates, etc. I need someone to look online for a notary stamp not to buy.
There are places that will show you a finished product. You input name on what it should say and you can copy and paste.
You may need to cook a few, I don't know, may need to cook a few, but they have when you can new sample. Then you take the pages I wrote, copy them a few times, make them a little lighter, then line up for notary and print more notary around angle, turn so forth so it's not lined up perfectly.
Make it look good like someone casually did it. Yes, I used to make documents for people.
Sounds crazy, but true. I was good at it.
Yeah, that's why you're in prison the first time. You weren't good at it at all.
You got caught. A bunch of times.
Those bank ones were something doing. I didn't make those mistakes.
Okay? Anyway, sorry. Then, when done, copy the whole page again so it's a full copy, not original, So nobody knows the notary seal wasn't a real stamp because it's got crimping on it.
All I need is two different names for notary one on page one and the other on three and one on three pages. These are real people who worked at her bank years ago who actually notarized papers on these dates.
And I have those other papers here with the signatures dates and all that I did.

So, take a look. at her bank years ago who actually notarized papers on these dates.
And I have those other papers here with the signatures, dates, and all that I did. So take these legitimate signatures and notary things and put them on an illegitimate document.
I just need the notary and copies, please. Then it says explained with the pages.
Now there's one more part I'm trying to get with that. I can't do anything on the Visine bottles because those bottles are way too old and none in stores would match that.
And the gun piece, they know she had bought it, so it doesn't matter. It's the cassette tape.
I need to see if someone would make a voice tape. I know this is crazy.
This whole letter is called. I know this is crazy.
I know this is crazy, but I got to try. It's it's something.
It's something. I don't know what that is.
It caused my life. I could.
I if I could, I would. They would suspect my mom.
That's why I can't have her nobody has her on voice recording she has an older raspy smokers cough and was a sick female voice always always coughing and smoking and action and go I need you to do this like everybody does Christopher walking how are your impressions how are your impressions of old smoking leg can you cough a little bit? Not just as good. Put that in there every once in a while.
And then say, hold on. I need to light one of these Benson and Edges.
And then just every once in a while, I'll go. Just do that right into the mic if you could do that.
Oh, Christ. Where am I, Virginia Swift? Oh, that is satisfying smoke right there.
Oh, boy, that really satisfies. Let me tell you something.
Oh, Christ, I feel so much better now that I have a cigarette. Oh, boy, Marlboro country is somewhere I never want to leave.
It's so crazy. This is crazy.
She says, I feel like there's programs online to change voices. There's so much technology these days.
Is that a setting? Old Smokey Broad, is that a setting you can find somewhere? This is the greatest thing that's ever happened. This is amazing.
She was sick and did it two days before her death. Nobody's going to know if it's her or not.
It's been five years since she's been recorded and i have the wording for that recording honestly you could even just have a movie or music on in the background to help distract you know she's telling you how to be a fucking a scammer a full of shit scammer i can set you up with some background noise and and you're this is great it's like that'll distract from the exact yeah from that it's not exactly her voice yeah she said she always had a one on and loud i would be cautious that the music uh i would be cautious that it's it's music and then in parentheses she loved gaga or a or Lady Gaga, or a movie from before her death, if you do that, so it doesn't raise a red flag. Yeah, don't put a movie that just came out.
Don't put any new releases. No Wicked.
Oh, my God. Nothing from past 2016, though.
That'll be a real red flag. Super big red flag.
Throw some wedding crashes or Shanghai nights. Some shit that's, yeah, evergreen.
Go evergreen. Put a Seinfeld rerun on in the background or something.
This is hilarious that she's like, just listen, it can't be too new. Then she gives examples.
I love this. She is helpful if you're going to do this.
Don't have tonight's news on.

That's bad.

Yeah.

Keep that off.

No, like, you know, the football game from Monday night.

None of that shit.

Welcome to Super Bowl 59.

Yeah, that's going to be bad.

She says, put on, like, Pretty Woman, Mrs. Doubtfire, Wizard of Oz.

That would be ideal, her favorite.

Yeah.

Because that's always on. Then she she says now what do you think question mark hold on think about it please then she puts over gives time for pause she has an arrow actually that says turn over think and then turn over you'll need.
She's got a supplies list.

Computer, paper, envelope, stamps, address labels, cassette, old school, cheap ones.

Able to record voice.

Gloves underlined.

And then it says must.

And it says, and then a star, if you help.

You don't need gloves if you're not going to help. Don't buy those if you're not here.

Make sure you wear gloves because you are not getting in trouble. You helping me when it's done yeah well we'll see what happens what i don't want you to end up in here next to me she just said make sure you are don't be as bad at crime as i am please if you're gonna do it no you don't understand i yeah i was robbing i wasn't robbing the bank i was helping that person you know i wasn't these, I wasn't.
They told me to hold this gun and point it at that person. I was like, oh, I'll hold it while you're doing, while you're shoveling that money into a sack with a fucking dollar sign on it.
No problem. You're helping.
That's why you need the gloves. Whoa, that is crazy.
Yeah. When it's done, which I need ASAP before December 7th, sentencing, that's the sentencing, the sooner the better.
If there is an easy way, and if possible, I'd like copies of the tape, but if it's too much on hand, one is just fine. Anything you buy, do it at a store, not in Waukesha, and with cash atmart self-checkout that's uh that's me being extra cautious careful where they have a camera right in your fucking face showing your face not to mention i'm just teaching you that i really thought about how to do criminal shit yeah this is the finish goal is to get finished letters and tape mailed to Judge Darrow.

If there's more, if there's more to others, too, if not just a basic letter to others.

And then 11 people total with judge, she puts.

And that is attorney Donna Kutchler, attorney Pablo Galvez.

Those are her attorneys.

Waukesha DA's office.

TMJ News 4. The sous jaw in all of wisconsin um cbs news 58 abc news 12 um wisconsin attorney general josh something i can't see court TV, Fox 6 News, Tony Evers, I think, the governor.

Then it says, for everyone and judge to whom it may concern and then she wrote sample on it like obviously don't use this make your own but something like that don't say who you are just a concerned citizen citizen R.E. Jesse Koworski Koworski Vizine trial in parentheses.
That's what you do. And this is what you say in this letter, by the way.
I wrote it out for you. This is amazing.
I have watched this trial from the beginning and I've never met this girl. And I'll just, you know, I don't know her.
Jesus Christ. This is like, oh man, somebody, like, writing a review for their own restaurant.
I've been in here once. Charming little place.
Never even noticed it before. I've heard the manager slash owner is a great guy.
Terry's wonderful. The food just looks clean.
You know, all the servers, no open sores. It's tremendous.
Never gotten diarrhea here ever. Nope.
I never met this girl, Jessie Krasinski. But what I can tell you is this story is crazy.
That we know, lady. Anybody who has a brain can tell you this girl didn't do it.
And what those jurors didn't hear or what the judge didn't allow makes no sense. You're talking about this girl's whole life because Lynn took her own.
By the way, there's a lot of like spelling errors and grammar errors, like no apostrophe where it belongs. And in her other letters that are not like that.
And we'll talk about that, too, at the end of this. What the judge didn't allow this girl's whole life because Lynn took her old life, her own life.
How is that murder? This was a total setup if I ever saw one by Waukesha County. Well, well, I spent three days in the park, Whitehall Park.
Why? The detectives never took her to the park. They yelled at her repeatedly about not understanding why she wouldn't tell them if she had evidence.
So she does, and they don't even take her with them. Again, are you serious? I can't even fathom how a jury convicted or convicted her on what lies really that doesn't make sense that doesn't make you a murderer point being after digging around for three days i found her evidence and sent the tape cassette plus papers to the judge in this case darrow the bottles of visine and a piece of gum have no no something so I can't read what that is no barring no baning no something so I didn't include but this girl is to be sentenced to life for a crime that never happened that she didn't do I enclosed a copy of letters for you but what I want to know is what are you going to do about this? Then, under that, Jesse writes with an asterisk next to it, burn, destroy all papers when done.
Do not talk about on phone or visit. Make only one tape for Darrow, the judge, if you can copy others, if you can copy the other pages for everyone and her too.
Send letters and letter to then the full list again of these people wear gloves for all. Oh, exclamation point.
Make sure. Make sure she's this is this is a crime tutorial.
Yeah. Make sure you're helping.
She said, this is my fight and chance to stir the pot. Will you help me? I will never say a word and I will give you a chunk of my money if when I get out because it's a big favor.
And if not, I understand really. Okay.
And she says, this is what you want to say on the tape recording. Here we go.
This is in your raspiest old smoke of voice. Jesse, I am sorry to leave you like this and I am assuming you'll be the one to find me after all you've done for me all the times you saved my life.
I know if it wasn't for you, I would have been dead months ago, and you have been my rock. You're stronger than anyone I know.
she's about to say you're also very pretty your breasts Your breasts are supple and perky. You're the smartest person I've ever met.
This is like... When you lift your arms, you have no bingo wings.
It's amazing. None of that shit at all.
My God, I wish I had an ass like yours. She said, I know if it wasn't for you, I would have been dead months ago.
You've been my rock. You're stronger than anyone I know.

And now I need you to take care of your mom, for I know your dad, all you could keep me alive as long as you could.

I no longer recognize myself.

I'm sick of being sick, complaining about being sick, and just sick of it all.

I want to be free from the pain, and this is my time. I love you and your mom very much.
Take care of each other. I'm following the yellow brick road to see my dad.
See, put a Wizard of Oz reference in there. Jesse, stop listening to this tape and put it somewhere safe and hidden.
She's talking to Jesse because she's in the room. Jesse, put this away.
There's no place like home. Then she says, and she clicked her heels together three times, and she says, Lynn Hearn, and being of sound mind and body, want to state, I'm recording this statement today on Sunday, October 1st, 2018.
I've been sick long enough, seen doctors to know that I will never be the same, and I no longer want to live my life as it is. I've done things I cannot take back.
I took a life that I had no right to do. They have her confessing to murdering her mother in this.
This is so fucked up. Framing a dead person for murder.
Wow. Two murders, one of her own too, of herself and her mom.
I'm choosing on my own free will and on my own time frame to take my own life. I've tried more options than most from purchasing a gun, overuse of medications to poisons.
I assumed poisons would be the fastest and easiest. Little did I know it would be just as hard.
Vizine is the one I stumbled across prior and have tried without success, but ended up using it for almost three months or whatever. She should just put, or whatever Jesse says I did, pretty much.
The way it makes me feel is something indescribable. My body is, it sounds like you're on mushrooms.
No, this is Visine. If that were true, kids would be taking so much Visine.
They'd be sucking on it bottles. The marijuana market would be bottomed out.
It's Visine so cheap. All the drugs, no more psychedelics.
This would be amazing. My body is numb.
I feel no pain for my constant pain and it makes me tired where I kind of sleep. I haven't experienced in years.
I became quite fond of it and it was a new medication to me. It's not a medication.
I enjoy my medications, and now Vizine is one of them. At first, I was drinking a bottle almost daily mixed with my water or vodka.
Then I increased over time, was purchasing Vizine on my own for a month until I could no longer drive or shop. I did stock up on it and had my caretaker, Jessie.
She did not know what I was doing until recently. Jesse is the one person who knows everything I have went through in and out except my mother's death.
Seen all the good and bad. She's been there when I fell in the middle of the night.
Shit on myself. Unbelievable, dude.
This is ridiculous. Make her admit to murder, admit admit to suicide and then strip her of dignity and tell everybody how much she used herself as a toilet oh my god or puked and came to oh my god or puked and came to clean uh and came to clean it up uh she has caught me in the act of trying to take my own life.

She's seen me at my worst.

And there regardless.

I owe her everything for all she's done. Her mother's my best friend.

And Jessie is my only family left.

And mean more to me than I know.

I did the unthinkable to Jessie.

And it ruined her for months. I lied to her.
And I her lie to everyone in the process and it destroyed her. She knew I was suicidal, but I told her I was sick and dying from colon cancer.
I didn't want to see people or talk to them. So I had Jesse lie to everyone and didn't want anyone to know.
The truth was I wasn't sick with colon cancer or dying. One afternoon, Jessie came to check on me as her usual and caught me unexpectedly while I had a gun to my head.
She screamed at me crying that when I came clean with her about not having cancer and lying. I lied to her because she was concerned about me being suicidal and saying I was sick was easier to do.
I never seen her so hurt, so I lied to everyone. She knew I didn't know what to do now.
She told me I was either going to get help and go to the hospital or she was calling the cops. I let her take me to Aurora Waukesha Hospital the next morning where they admitted me and I stayed for weeks.
I wanted to get better for her, but the deep down decision was made long ago and I cannot go on anymore. My mom's death haunts me daily, you know, because I killed her and all.
Yeah. I tried to take my life twice while in the hospital and had a camera put in my room.
After arriving home from the hospital, Jesse stayed the weekend, and per my discharge, I was to get home care that week. I had planned and different ideas, but Jesse didn't let me be alone.
Ending the weekend came and went, and now it's today, Sunday morning. Took my remaining Visine bottles and put them into my last water bottles.
I have stashed Visine for months and been emptying it over time into water bottles and now have three bottles full with only Visine over 30 bottles. That takes 30 bottles of Visine, in case you're wondering.
And we'll start, because I think it's a half ounce in there. Yeah, it's nothing.
It's little drop it's like 0.8 milliliters because you use a drop two drops at a time and we'll start drinking those tomorrow along with my medications i'm hoping by drinking an extreme amount this will work as planned i'm choosing this on my own terms and see and how i see fit no one played any part in this decision or acted on it. I chose to drink Visine and end my life.

Look into my mom's death to better understand.

I came into this world fighting like hell.

And lived a good life.

And I'm going out of the world on my own terms.

And will see my dad again.

I would like it known that Jesse and Jenny are in charge of my final wishes.

As they know where the paperwork is and what to do. I want to make sure it is known.
And then there's, she's got an arrow pointing up and an asterisk saying just end it. Like it was still recording or like she screwed up.
Like there's more, like there's more, but that's all we need. So she said, just like end it mid sentence,, like something happened to the tape or she fell over.
But thank God because we got everything. We got everything.
So then she goes on to give instructions of then find a notary company that will allow sample or void with wording in the background. Look around.
You will find once you do copy and paste and change paper and printer and it's the thing of how to make it look how to make a dot forge a fucking document and um uh she then goes on to have a whole letter here and then she says there's a lot of misspellings and grammar errors it's okay for it to be like that because she has a letter that she wrote, too, saying that, here it is, okay, Lynn Hernan, loving

daughter of Bob and Lorraine Hernan, like she wrote her own fucking, her own thing here,

her own obituary, yeah, and she goes on to that, she wrote the obituary, she said make

that, then she says, this is Lynn writing this letter, I need to get something off my shoulders. The guilt has been weighing heavy on me.
On Saturday, November 30th, 2013, my mom, Lorraine Marie, whatever that, oh, Herndon, passed away just shy of her 86th birthday at St. Mary's Hospital in Madison, Wisconsin.
Prior to her death, her health was declining with her memory.

It was no secret we had a very toxic relationship. We had been through thick and thin and everything in between.
She forgot everything but found out that I had been, quote, helping myself to her money and changed her will to cut me out, and she was leaving everything to her best friend and neighbor, Bonnie. I took matters into my own hands.
Something her, oh, spiking her tea with Visine bottles as seen on TV. I understand I had no right and it haunts me possibly more than I realize as I'm starting to worry.
I stopped after a night of partying too hard and I told Kevin I've paid secretly for his silence ever since. I'm too afraid of spending my life in prison.
I will never forget how bad it was. I cannot, will not, no matter what, ever go back.
I'm so, so sorry, Mom, forgive me, sign Lynn Herndon. Now, look at how she writes this letter she changed oh she changed her handwriting

fucking completely that's fucked up look at that dude she is just look at that that's another look there's another one of her hand that's psychotic dude it is shit is like the inside of people yeah that's like the inside of a psychopath's mind that it's yeah the whole thing scribbles and side notes and corrections. Jesus

fuck. Oh my god.

Then she said that

um That's mine. That it's yeah.
The whole thing scribbles and side notes and corrections. Jesus.
Fuck. Oh my God.
Then she said that she like her will here kind of what she said before. Write this out.
You know, I helped care for my mom. That was my downfall.
Blah, blah, blah. Then she goes into there are no issues later on.
This is her final wishes. Jenny.
I helped when Jesse was in prison and out of work. I owed her from years ago when she helped me.
It was the least I could do. I helped her on and off, rent, bills.
She was given a charge, et cetera, on 3-11-215, 5,000 direct from lockbox. So Jessie, money, and property while in prison because I know firsthand and so much after.
I with deaths rebuild a lot she also helped me and it went both ways and then says went both ways was a big one long story there's so much I will be doing for both Jenny and Jesse before I check out this is fucking amazing Jim that's her friend was given and also loan money when when he lost his grandma's house to foreclosure he had no job no place to live so I helped but it was never enough Linda drank more away I loaned him money for bail fines he got me to that courthouse when I was afraid to step foot in the door but he needed I helped motels hotels bills down payment on his house money toward a pool useless motherfucker useless shit uh he to date hasn't made a dent in paying back it pisses me off and he knows it and he's well over 25 000 that he got in total um to date and then dates with the times and you know withdrawals and all that keith i gave money when he needed but that was between us and was from cash, so it didn't go through the bank. Kevin, my mistake of all mistakes, who got most all to keep him quiet.
Quite, though. He took everything and even more.
The best part was his death, but it was too late by then. He got my lockbox stash of cash, stash of cash at the house, withdrawals of thousands at a time at a time from the bank.
Even more cash. All the checks written as to cover Jesse.
Long story in parentheses. He got all the checks written to cover were written to Jesse.
So Jesse didn't steal the money. It was this guy scamming.
But I gave it. Yeah.
Yeah. Wow.
He got jewelry. I gave all I had had i will never let anyone take years from me or send me back to that hell hole so did what i had to over two hundred thousand dollars the money is running dry as of today thursday february 1st 2018 my money is depleted under 25 000 in all accounts it will be gone like before the year is over i will spend it and give it away, including my credit cards.
I don't want a dime left for creditors medical state to take. I'm going to meet with me.
I'm going to meet with Mr. Diaz at BMO Bank today on loan and to notarize documents.
I will be making changes for final wishes due to my short planned future. I'm changing my living will to say Jesse and Jenny and my last will and testament to Jenny from Anthony and Jesse.
Jenny will give Jesse money. I don't want her probation agent to get it for restitution for her last crime.
But don't worry. I'm going to die with nothing, so it's fine.
I'll die with nothing, but I want to make sure that she doesn't get it taken. I want those two, Jenny and Jesse, to get everything because they're around the most and they need it versus Corrine and Anthony.
They come from a different world. I will always love them and they are my family, but we aren't as close as we used to be.
Things change, people change, that's life. So she's singing multiple songs there.
Thank you for being a friend, people change. She's got that shit.
Tupac changes and Frank Sinatra, that's life. She got them all mixed up in there.
I am mad at you. So she signed all, yeah, I am mad at you.
She's got her last will and testament here. She's got all of her fucking shit going on.
Okay. She gives away her stuff here, too.
Gets two antique pictures in hallway for Diana Lang. Mom's great grandma.
Keith Lang gets Richland Play Center picture glass. Jim, her friend Jim there in China cabinet.
Crazy eight ball and ashtray your grandma's champagne glass. Yeah, you owe me tons.
Crazy eight ball. She's giving away everything.
Jim gets my Uno game. Oh, yeah.
He gets what it is. Corinne Potts, hat, pin, glass, shot glasses, and any clothes or shoes you want.
Have my old shoes. They have shit on them, but that's okay.
Anthony Potts, I originally said Jesse got the Wizard of Oz memorabilia,

but it was you who got most of it.

So anyway, you have first pick anything of my dad's you'd like.

Steven Potts, Bubbla, I thought maybe you'd like the old school pinball game.

And it goes on from there.

Jesse, Marilyn posters, you loved them.

Mom's charm bracelet.

Jesse's mom gets 2016 Jeep. Not bad.
A purse, sequin reel, swan ashtrays, stork ashtrays, birdcage looking lamp, gold cross with ashes. That way we'll always be swimming together.
Now, this letter comes out. Her said we're done fuck you they said we didn't take any letter anywhere and you're sending this out basically you're you're accusing us of a crime yeah we're not your attorney anymore fuck you so they want to withdraw to to that due to that so prosecutors filed an objection to the motions to withdraw.
But they said in evaluating both motions to withdraw, the state feels it's necessary to focus on the apparent driving force behind these motions to withdraw and says this was one of my attorney's ideas referenced in the letter. However, the state will argue that these materials were authored by Jesse for purposes of the attorneys to be able to continue representing her it's important to note that jesse and numerous recorded phone calls has continually denied writing those materials and denied having any idea you know what they are who authored them jesse denies she wrote any of this ah amazing nobody else on earth knew any of those details all those details it's crazy person it's fucking crazy and also we'll find out that she definitely did write it so um the state also argues that taking both attorneys off the case would deprive her of legal representation at a key point in the case and would delay sentencing several months sure now jesse says that the county is setting her up with that letter oh really and really? And she wrote a 26-page letter to the judge explaining that, that we will not read because we've read enough.
26 pages. Okay, that was 37 pages she sent to her friend.
She has got a lot to say. Not a lot to do in jail.
So she expressed frustration at a motion hearing with her two attorneys for not being in contact with her in the week leading up to her sentencing. She made a list of 16 claims and stated she believes she was set up by the county with those letters and will be requesting a mistrial.
She wrote in this, I figure it's as good a time as any to put out all the issues, and there are a lot. She wrote the defense was not allowed to bring up Lynn's drinking in time in prison or her mom's death.
She claimed that Lynn had written that she spiked her own mother's drink with eye drops and was haunted by what she did. She also alleges that the defense was not allowed to question Detective Aaron Hope, who allegedly looked into Hernan's mother's death.
According to Jesse, he never followed up on retrieving additional medical records. This was an extremely detrimental to my defense.
And again, it was, it isn't a small charge. We're talking about a charge that causes a life sentence.
So she went on to claim all this shit. They claim that she claims that John Fry, at a cousin of Lynn's had involvement with the Waukesha County detectives and the medical examiner's office and was told he owes them a favor for framing her.
According to this letter, Friatt had looked her up in Wisconsin circuit court access and said it was odd that Lynn's heir had a record saying it doesn't pass the smell test. She wrote that Friatt didn't know Lynn or have a relationship with her, but knew she was a drunk.
Jessie also wrote that she knew the medical examiner and knew that he and the medical examiner were on the same team as the detectives. And because of this, Jesse claimed she should have a change of venue, although it's unknown where she heard the alleged comments.
She also accused the judge herself of bias, saying the deputy jail administrator was lying and that she didn't have proper access to security for her documents and evidence uh she said quote i was not happy with my trial or defense she wasn't happy with losing is what she wasn't happy with you're not happy that you're in prison that's the thing yeah with all this happening i strongly believe this county is setting me up this seems like a big conspiracy i no longer trust anyone anyone. Have you guys heard of making a murderer?

That's what they did to me.

In Wisconsin.

Same thing.

Same place.

Then the night before her sentencing, she calls the media up and does a thing.

Oh, what?

Night before her sentencing.

Uh-huh.

She said, quote, nobody got to know the Lynn I knew, the Lynn that I was there for and worked for daily, the Lynn that was my family and that I loved and cared for. I could no longer wait.
It's time to speak. I cannot be silent.
Lynn took her own life because she was troubled by what she did to her mom. Now she's going to publicly besmirch her.
She said that in her own letter that again, we're in court. The letter she wrote, by the way, that you wrote.
Both of my attorneys are still listed on record. So legally, I cannot speak to any other attorney, nor will they speak to me.
I sit in limbo. I need to

know my legal rights.

Well, next day of sentencing, she's going to find out

a lot. You're going to find out all your rights.

Oh, yeah. Jim Kelleher

says, quote, Jesse poisoned

Lynn like she was a rodent.

The devil awaits you. I hope you

rot in hell. Lynn Hernan

is an angel in heaven. May you rest in peace, Lynn.
You're dearly missed and always will be. I'm so very sorry.
So they then show, by the way, the videotape recorded in jail days before the letter was turned over to the authorities. This shows her putting a large bunch of papers into an envelope and leaving it on the bed of another inmate who later takes it somewhere else because that's a person that takes it places so the judge says to her this is your opportunity to address the court anything you'd like to say she talks for two hours wow or an hour 45 or some crazy shit i mean she shit never shut the fuck up she's i'm innocent I was her best friend.
We'll give a short snip here. Quote, let's be very clear here.
There was no murder. Okay.
Uh, I did not commit murder. I did not poison Lynn, give her pills or anything else.
It is, it is a lot to be accused and convicted of murder when I didn't do it. Then she starts crying.
Of course you're holding me responsible for what she did. Those are her decisions, her choices, her actions, and no one else's, not even mine.
Then she says, I will not stop fighting. And she says she does not have faith in the justice system, but does have a faith in God.
She says, as God is my witness, this case is far from over. The judge goes, well, I'm about to bang the gavel.
I'm going to end it right now. God's going to watch us end this fucking case.
Yeah. The judge said, I believe Lynn's death was premeditated.
The judge said tetrahydrosoline was not something we expected to find. And I do believe it was something you, Miss Kyrzewski, Kyrzewski, whatever the fuck your name is, banked on no one testing for.
I have to ask out loud. It's in a rhetorical question, but were you poisoning Lynn Heron all along following your release from prison? Jessie says no.
She shouts no. The judge says, I'm not asking for an answer.
I don't need you to talk. This is my time.
That's hilarious. She's going to tell her kid that later on when she's sitting with a glass of wine.
This is mom's time now. So do not interrupt me.
You took away future memories, birthdays, luncheons, phone calls. I think you thought you were a very good thief and can get away with even more.
She said, I'm sure everyone has some redeem quality redeeming qualities including you but she also let her opinion be known she said i think you're completely diabolical you have evil in your heart you ma'am may fuck off life in prison on the homicide charge with parole though okay and 10 years for the two uh charges. The soonest she could be paroled would be after 40 years when she'd be about 80 years old.
Oh shit. Yeah.
She is fucked. And the judge says, I think 30 years is a significant amount of time, but my target is really for you.
Um, the judge said, she said, um, making you eligible for parole close to 80, older than what the victim would be today.

And also, by the way, restitution is set at $380,000.

Who's she paying that to?

With an additional $16,000 owed to cover the cost of state witnesses in the trial.

Keep on keeping on.

And that is Pewaukee, Wisconsin. shit wow that is fucking bonkers holy shit so that's one of the craziest stories we've ever told as fuck so she's gonna write a book of some sort she keeps talking there's so much of her if you watch the trial she's talks i can't believe she didn't testify i'm honestly shocked because she's she's like like a Sarah Boone that would want to get it out there.
But Sarah Boone didn't testify either. So either way, there you go.
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Good people. Alicia Sanders.
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I would think that is last name. Amendola is certainly last name.
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You son of a bitch.

Right in the Jiner.

I don't like that at all.

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K. This show brought to you by the letter K.
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Monica Horton.

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Best little cat house in Wyo, Braska.

Is Wyoming close to?

It is close to Nebraska.

Is it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they're connected, I think.

Do they touch?

Is there a cat house there?

Yeah, you can drive across Wyoming and through Nebraska because it doesn't.

Can you get a in Wyo, Braska? I don't know. I think so.
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Go with holy fuck is your name, I think. That's easier for people.
I said go with holy fuck. That was easier for Jimmy to pronounce.
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