#550 - Kinky Killer Couple - Dover, New Hampshire

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Here we go.

Let's go on a trip, shall we?

Let's do it.

We should, yeah.

We're going to New Hampshire, a very nice place.

I know Jimmy's a big, big fan of New Hampshire.

Big fan.

I like New Hampshire.

Love the Northeast New England states, Maine, all that good stuff here.

This is in Southeastern New Hampshire, practically Maine. Almost Maine.
It's in Dover, New Hampshire. Love the northeast New England states, Maine, all that good stuff here.
This is in southeastern New Hampshire, practically Maine, almost Maine. It's in Dover, New Hampshire is where we're going here.
It's about an hour and 20 to Boston from there, and it's still considered like a commutable place. Yeah, people live here.
They work in Boston, a lot of them. About an hour and 50 to Jackson, New Hampshire, which is our last New Hampshire episode, episode 498, The Mysterious Disappearing Murderer.

That was a fun one.

And then population of this town is 32,599.

So not that big, not that small.

It's kind of your average small town here.

Median household income slightly above the average, 82,387.

And I think you're going to get that from your Boston work there, probably. Going to drop it up a bit.
It's $69,000 regular. That's average.
Median home price here, $416,800. Pricey.
Wow. Because it's commutable to Boston.
And close to all the beaches. Yep.
You can draw about an hour 45 minute circle around new york boston philly and you see where it's expensive and right outside that circle shit is half the price of that so i don't know how it works um the motto here is grow with us may as well come on along with us everybody let's grow uh history waistline because. Oh, it's good.
Tons of seafood up there. Oh, my.
This is oyster central and clams and all that good stuff. I love it.
History of this town. It was a mill town for years and years and years.
Everybody worked at the mills like a lot of northeastern cities. They made textiles up here.
There was the Dover Cotton Factory, which started in 1815. That's fascinating.
They would get cotton from somewhere else, right? Yeah, from down south. They don't grow cotton there.
Yeah, it would come up from down south, and they'd make it and ship it out from there. Turn it into the darn inch.
And then ship it out to Europe from there because you're by the ports. That's why they did it up here because it was in the ports.
Because Baltimore had a lot of that. All the port cities did that shit.
It was renamed in 1827 the Cocheco Manufacturing Company because the other one wasn't so successful. The next year, it was the site of the first women's strike in the United States.
They said, we're not fucking anybody. No, they didn't do that.
We're not taking them. No, they did the strike of the mill girls, it was called, December 30th, 1828, where about half of the 800 women employed at the mill walked out over lower wages and longer hours that the new owners had implemented.
Tired of this shit. Tired of this shit.
Don't know how that worked out, but I'm not sure. Dover became incorporated in 1855 huge natural national producer of textiles and um it was going real well until the depression happened and then it didn't go so well and the textile mills started all moving down south for cheaper cheaper you know production costs and everything a lot of things eventually Yeah.
A little fun fact here. Dover, New Hampshire, is the birthplace of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, if you know.
What? The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle backstory. Is that right? Absolutely.
Reviews of this town. Here we go.
Five stars. I love Dover because it's a quaint New England town with Victorian-style homes and great pizza.
That's true. That's true.
The Northeast also good. Is that New Haven style up there? Are they doing that? Probably, yeah.
With the char? Okay, I'm into it. I'm into it.
It's a great area to raise your kids with several excellent schools surrounding the area. Dover is fantastic for exploring outside as there are several great fishing and canoeing sites.
Yeah. Yeah.
Portsmouth is only 15 minutes away if you're craving more city life really is it the big city of portsmouth portsmouth is bigger it's pretty booming but it's not it's not a city life that's i mean like that's a little it's just a little bit it's a very quaint boutique town it's by the water it's there to take your money it's all it is yeah so you go there you spend you know 30 more on dinner than it's worth You buy some knickknacks and you fuck off. That's how the water.
It's there to take your money. It's all it is.
It's your go there. You spend, you know, 30% more on dinner than it's worth.
You buy some knickknacks and you fuck off. That's how it works.
Yeah. Buy yourself a fucking hammock and go home.
That's it. I've lived in Dover for most of my life and it's truly a one of a kind town with a charm of its own.
Yeah. Here's four stars.
It's where I was raised. I try to escape it, but I always always come back home the people here aren't nice but deep down you know they love you it's got a hold on me they just this is a description of a treat me like shit that's because they love me they just described an abusive relationship i've been with this person a long time i try to escape but i always come back this person is not nice to me but deep down i know they love me that's exactly what you'd say no get out of that relationship that's terrible that's called a cycle that's terrible yeah this is what they have going on with a town that's fucking wild uh here is three stars this is very short they need to stop building brand new houses where people don't want them well where do you this person clearly wants them somewhere else yeah i don't know where i don't want them take away people that's when they ask you if you want to know what someone thinks about something don't ask them what do you think because then they might hedge you ask what do you think people think about this and then they'll tell you what they think that's what that is people don't want these houses who's people people want them other places me and my wife don't want those houses there that's it and then finally one star this is pretty honest uh absolutely a hellhole is the first line okay all right that's setting it off uh it's the drugs isn't it setting it off the state is beautiful the people are not yeah yeah they will scowl atowl at you or they will scorn at you and scowl.
What does that mean? I don't know. They'll scorn and scowl at you.
I didn't know you could do that. They're not afraid to treat you badly for being a, quote, outsider.
Even the police here will treat you bad. When you call them out on their behavior, they will gaslight you.
What does that even mean? What has happened? What are you talking about? Tell us exactly when you call them out on their behavior they will gaslight you what does that even mean what has happened what are you talking about tell us exactly what when you got pulled over what the fucking problem was because this is tell us the situation this is like a vague facebook post here this is ridiculous the worst city i've ever lived this is like the twilight zone run with three exclamation points. I don't believe that person.

I think they're exaggerating.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, I believe there. Things to do, the Cocheco or Cochecho or however the fuck you say it, arts festival.
The festival began in the summer of 1987. They said that the Chamber of Commerce had accepted the challenge of matching an anonymous donation to produce a summer concert series.
and the summer long festival showcases regionally recognized acts as well as top seacoast entertainers. In other words fucking cover songs and when they play originals you go to the port-a-potty.
That's what's going on here. Covers played by people you don't know.
You've never heard of. It's free to attend and open to the the public also that's always where the best bands play where it's free to see them um the series here the headliners from this series are uh the rebel collective that's one band tower hill nope nope toby mccallister and the sierra sounds it's like someone plays country i was gonna say someone will confuse me for some other country artist, right? Toby McAllister.
I think I've heard of him, right? Those are familiar names. Sierra Sounds, I've heard of them.
Sierra, that sounds like the Sierra Nevadas. That sounds dusty.
That sounds dusty. August 2nd, Matty and the Penders.
No. Don't know.
It's just some Irish guy. Hey, Matty.
He's like, hey, I brought the pendants with me. I'll bet it's a gal.
It's probably a gal. Then after that, Lexi James and Wild Heart.
Sound like they play nothing but Lita Ford covers. Or very country shit.
And then August 16th, finally, the Old Hat String Band. That sounds like a country band, too.
I'd watch that. That's interesting.
I'd watch and listen to that one. They know a lot of Alabama.
They know. Oh, my.
It's all Alabama. We're going to play a chunk of Skinner now is what we're going to do.
And then follow it up with some 38 special. Let's go, everybody.
One, two, three, four. And they're fucking going.
Oh, God. We're going to play Give Me Three Steps 12 straight times is what we play.
36 steps. It's 36 steps.
36 steps, mister. So let's talk about a murder.
What do you say here? I think it's time. Yeah, let's do it.
It's the time to do this. Let's go back to 2012.
Here we go. Let's talk about a young lady first.
She is 19 years in 2012 so 2012 not too far back everything's exactly the same pretty much right you still iphone she is so young yeah 19 yeah 19 then very young um she is known for being kind of you know real upbeat young lady here vivacious people call her a lot hangs out lot. Yeah, she's 19.
At 19, that's what you do. That's all you do.
Very much into what her dad calls little critters all the time. And her mom.
Like woodland? Yes, little animals. Frogs, turtles.
Chipmunks and shit. Shit like that.
More into the things in the water. Water type animals.
Really? Salamanders and shit? Yeah, like turtles and that kind of shit. Frogs, turtles, like maybe a salamander or two.
I don't know what she's into. It's what she likes it.
Her mom said about when she was little, you know, you'd see her and she'd have a tortoise in her hand or a little turtle. And, you know, she'd be putting it back on the brook side of our road.
So, you know, helping the turtles who cross the road get back to the brook there. She said she and I used to do the silliest things together, just no rhyme or reason.
That's what her dad said. She's very popular when she grows up.
Of course. She's outgoing.
She's the prom queen, for Christ's sake. Is that right? Absolutely.
The prom queen with a turtle in her hand. Unbelievable.
A sweet kid, basically, is what she is. October of 2012, she's 19 and had just entered the University of New Hampshire as a sophomore.
But I think she went somewhere else for her freshman year because she's new to the University of New Hampshire. Get some prereqs out of the way elsewhere.
Yeah, do that, I guess. Or I guess maybe the last semester she went, something like that.
Her uncle said it's a wonderful marine biology program, and that's what she was going for. Is that right? Yeah, that's pretty cool.
That's one of those things that little kids say they want to be, but then they don't become that. You know what I mean? But she actually was going to do that.
Yeah, it's romantic, the idea of it. And then you grow up and you go, well, that's not very practical.
I've got to live on land. That's going to be tough.
I don't really want't really want to live on a boat but yeah if you ask a nine-year-old girl what do you want to do they'll half of them say marine biologist or a vet or vets too animals they want to yeah when you're a little kid you want to work with animals then you grow up and you're like sounds awesome to me too many animals so uh she said uh that's where she really wanted to go her uncle said too. Her father said she always loved critters and how a ninth grade trip and a week-long marine biology camp really got her into it even more.
Is that right? Focused, and she kept her focus all through high school and then wanted to do that. They said, her dad said, this called, this led to Lizzie to UNH, University of New Hampshire.
She wanted to go there so bad and it was so very happy. She was so very happy when she started classes here.
So while she's doing that, she's living with her aunt and uncle who live close to the university. Her mom and dad live in Massachusetts.
It's a longer drive. So her uncle and aunt live within a half hour of the university.
Nice. Nice driving range there.
The uncle said, one of my favorite things was when she'd come back, she'd scream, I'm home. And it really made us feel comfortable that she really felt like our home was also her home.
Oh, look at that. That's nice.
Nice family. Nice girl.
Isn't that a nice one? Just like a little phrase like that makes the fucking world different that is

nice because most people are shitty and they'd be like oh fuck yeah we got this she's home great you know what i mean that would be the most reactions including mine probably you know fuck she's back jesus christ this person who we didn't fucking who didn't come from our loins is home perfect we didn't make this person yeah i didn't do this she made it back by accident or on purpose. I didn't make this person.

So,

October 9th, it's a perfect we didn't make this person yeah i didn't do this she made it back by accident or on purpose

i didn't make this person yeah so um october 9th it's a tuesday 2012 it's just over a month into her first semester here as a sophomore and she planned to attend a tuesday night lab class that would end at 9 p.m so she was that was her plan she was going to go from her aunt and uncles over to the class and do that.

At 8.55 p.m. So that was her plan.
She was going to go from her aunt and uncles over to the class and do that. At 8.55 p.m., she sent a text message to a friend of hers saying she was going to visit a new friend, a coworker at a department store near campus.
She got a job at Target, by the way. So she said that she was going to a friend's house and she told her aunt and uncle she'd be home no later than 12 or 1230.
And her uncle said, and that's the last thing we heard from her. That's a late night.
Be home at 1230. Then Wednesday morning, she's still not home.
Oh, no. So the uncle said it kind of made me nervous.
But at the same time, she's 19 years old. She's a college dude.
She's going to hang out with friends. Who knows if she had a couple of beers and didn't want to drive and fell asleep.
I mean, that would be responsible, actually, and you'd be okay with that. And he said, too, I said, well, you know, teenage girl, she probably stayed late.
And, you know, can I just crash at your house? And that's probably what happened. It's fine.
It's a long ride home. so they wait all wednesday but they don't hear from lizzie they don't hear from her she doesn't come home nothing so then thursday morning her aunt said look outside still no car what the fuck so now it's two nights and that's not right she said oh my god lizzie's not here and then it was like sheer panic the uncle something was really wrong.
So yeah. Um, at that point they get a call from Lizzie's dad.
Yeah. He says, Hey, it's Bob.
Have you heard from Lizzie? And they said, no, we were just about to call you because we haven't heard from Lizzie. And he said, uh, you know, what's going on? And they were like, Holy shit, we got to figure this out.
And the uncle said, that's when your heart goes in your throat. And the dad, Bob Marriott, said, what do you do when your child's missing? I didn't have a checklist that told me what to do.
It's not like it's at the mall. You know what I mean? Right.
If you lose your kid at the mall back, you'd go to the security office first. Then you look around.
There's no, like, what do you do here? It's still sheer panic. Absolutely.
You can't find the one thing that you're. Yeah.
This is worse. Yeah.
yeah that's what i mean in the mall at least you know it's unless somebody kidnapped the kid they're probably within the building still you know what i mean there's plenty of entertaining shit for them to do here so and lots for yeah to be distracted by exactly so probably but i mean when it's a 19 year old and they're out there she could be anywhere on earth at this point. She has a car.
It could be anywhere. Two days worth of Head Start.

Who knows who that is?

Oh, yeah.

48 hours Head Start is a long time.

Yeah, but it's not like Lizzie's not a runaway type, or she has no pressures that she's trying to get away from.

She's a happy kid, so they don't understand it.

They called the police immediately to report her missing, and the dad said,

We worked the phones for, I don't know, two hours maybe, and finally I just couldn't take it anymore and jumped in the car and drove.

He said it's's like, let's call the FBI. Let's call the state police.
I'm driving and she's calling the cell phone to call. And she's using the cell phone to call anyone we can think of.
Anybody, have you heard from Lizzie? Have you heard from Lizzie? And then they realized they didn't know because they're trying to trace it back. When's the last time you heard from her? And they said, well, she said she was going to visit a new friend.
And they said, do you know who that is? And nobody knew who that was. Wow.
So that is really hard. So then they ask around a little bit, though, and talk to her friends.
And they find out who she was supposed to be hanging out with that night. And that was another 19-year-old girl named Kat McDonough.
So that was who she was supposed to be hanging out that night. A mutual friend of theirs who worked at Target with them, a guy named Nate McNeil, because both Kat, Lizzie and Nate all worked at Target.
So he knows both of them. And he said, I knew Lizzie and Kat had met.
I didn't know if they were anything more than work acquaintances at the time. You know said i just you know i knew they had met and whatever maybe stock some shelves together or something um but she said he said lizzie was always happy and she always found the best in everyone she had such an aura about her you know people wanted to talk to her so it was normal for her to make new friends too this totally normal for her to be like i want to hang out'm going to a party.
Wow. I mean, that was just, she was very social and everybody liked her.
So then, before they can really locate Kat and figure out what's going on and talk to her, they find something they don't like. They find Lizzie's car.
Oh, where's it at? And it's a 2001 Mazda Tribute, which I don't even remember that fucking model. That's how long that lasted, I'm sure.
It's a very small. I believe that's the small SUV that's like a Ford Escape.
I think so. Mazda Tribute, huh? I'm looking this up right now.
I've got to see what the hell a 2000. This has nothing to do with the story.
I've got it coming up right now. I've got to find though mazda 2000 yeah it's a yeah it's the smallest uv what a piece of shit huh yeah i never well i mean it's like a ford escape it's it's not a great car but it's uh but they made them all the way to 2011 it looks like wow they were so successful they left such a stamp on society that i didn't remember it existed don't even remember commercials commercials for them or anything.
Nothing. It was like a Honda Passport.
It was a tiny little shit SUV. That's where they find her car.
It's on the University of New Hampshire campus is where they find it. Okay, so that's interesting.
They're like, okay, did she not drive from here? Because she was here. It was the last time anybody knew where she was, definitely and for sure.
So they they're like did she get in a car with somebody else and leave did this you know did they she meet people here who the hell knows so they secure the car for evidence uh they say there's no threat at the campus everybody don't freak out um even though they don't know if she was disappeared from the campus parking lot or not they have no clue yeah but she so she was supposed to be with her friend that she met at Target. Yeah.
But she left her car at campus. Doesn't make sense.
So Kat McDonough, we got to find out about her a little bit. She is a former honor student who dropped out of high school in February of this year.
Oh. So it was her senior year and she dropped out.
So she went from honor student to drop out in like a year basically wow junior year honor student senior year dropout what happened her parents were like god damn it what the fuck i thought it was all going great so much money we wasted no shit so nate the guy from target when he found out about lizzie he reached out to cat because he knew they you know at, at least were friends. And he said, at that point, I actually texted Kat because I knew that they had plans Tuesday night.
And I asked, hey, did Lizzie ever come over to your house? No one seems to know where she is. And Kat texted back, no, I didn't see her.
She never came over. So now we got a real mystery here.
Right. She didn't make it to Kat, but she left her car at campus.
And Nate believes Kat because she's just not a Target friend. She's known him for years and years and years.
He said she was my sister's friend from kindergarten. So, I mean, this is like an old, old friend.
So they're starting to piece together this at the time. They find they're looking into Kat a little bit,

and they find out Kat is living with her boyfriend, Seth Mazaglia. Mazaglia here.
He is 29 years old. He's a little older than the rest of the crew here.
And, yeah, they said one of the friends said Kat was a fairly known person in the community, and she seemed to be a normal teenager. Apparentlyh and seth and cat met in the summer of 2011 the year before which is right when her academics went in the shitter yeah through the local theater scene they're both trying out and doing like community theater and shit like that like small plays and um one of her friends said when i met her she was very young.
She was 17 and she was a sweet girl.

Now, according to Seth's website, smmaziglia.com, he's an experienced actor, writer and fight choreographer who's worked both professionally and non-professionally in the theaters. That's important to put on there.
In the theaters of southern New Hampshire for many years, the site states that he recently finished performing as Captain Keller in the Garrison Players' deeply moving production of The Miracle Worker, quote-unquote. Helen Keller, shit.
I wonder if he played Helen. The website.
I love that. Work professionally and not professionally.
If you've worked professionally, we assume that you've done some amateur shit. Well, in other words, you can pay me or not is what that says.
Yeah, yeah. I'll do it for free, but I like money.
In the theater world, that's what that says. I've worked for money, so I'm good enough to get paid, but I'll work for free.
That's like the translation of that. If you've ever put a movie together or something and you're looking for crew people, it's the type of shit you look for for free.
So it also says that he's been spending his time writing auditioning and contemplating his next projects contemplate it do i do that one with scorsese or do i do the comic book movie i don't know which to do uh projects which he hopes will bring him closer to his goal of working in film quote unquote yeah so according to theater credits, he appeared in 2008 production of Beauty and the Beast at the Prescott Park Arts Festival, the 2006 production of The Elephant Man at the West

End Studio, 2004's You Can't Take It With You at the Seacoast Repertory Theater, and

2000's Romeo and Juliet at the Romeo and Juliet 2000.

Sorry.

Yeah. Yeah.
Cool Romeo and Juliet with pagers. That would be.
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Let's put fucking... Talking about which color Apple desktop they have.
Yeah, which iMac are they using? I got the purple one. I got the blue one.
The site lists him as 5'9", 200 pounds, and states he's also a martial arts instructor, along with having taught a form of martial arts in 2004 at both York Middle School and Newfields Elementary School. 5'9", 200, muscular or portly? He's just kind of a little fire pluggy guy but he's young though so it's like you know he's not yeah you know when you're younger your body just kind of stays like a thumb but then as you get older like parts start sticking out yeah i think that's you didn't get to that part yet yeah because i'm not'm not quite 200, and I look in the mirror and go,

what the fuck, man?

Oh, my God.

Well, here I found an audition of his.

There's an audition of him auditioning for a play here.

And I'm going to play just a.

Oh, yeah, he looks like fucking Francis from Pee Wee Herman.

He's a very average-looking guy.

Yeah.

Here he is. It's hard to hear, I guess.
It's echoey. Yeah.
It's in like a... Oh.
Okay. He's a...
He's a dork. Yeah.
He's doing like bad Shakespeare. They laughed.
He stabbed himself and then fell like like a fucking stooge. Like one of the three stooges like fell.
And the people watching laughed which means like you didn't get the part. Well maybe it's a comedy.
We don't know't know it better be it better be because otherwise you just gotta laugh in your death scene which isn't good that's not great you're not looking for laughs in the death scene i don't think that's what shakespeare was after and then he dies and then everyone cracks up I'm a master of both comedy and drama. And then here's Cats.

And the dramedy master.

Which Cats is. cracks up.
I'm a master of both comedy and drama. And then here's Katz.
Which Katz is crazy. Is he dressed? Oh, what is this? That's Kat McDonough.
She forgets her shit. Look at her.
That's her forgetting. That's alright.
Don't worry about it.

She forgot.

Yeah, settle down. Are you going to burst into song? Okay.
Listen to her. Her singing is really irritating.
Alright. Here it comes.
I've got a crow

I've got a crow

I've got a crow. I've got a crow.
I've got a crow. Okay, that's good.
All right. I had to show you that because I almost fell off the couch when I played that.
Hi, I'm a crow.

I was like, oh, God, Jesus Christ.

What is she singing?

Is that Peter Pan?

Some horse shit show tune.

I don't fucking know.

It's terrible.

I think they're trying.

She did like chicken arms when she did it.

She like looked up in the sky.

She really acted it out real cheesily. I don't know if they didn't laugh at that, but they laughed at dude's fault.
They laughed at his death. Holy shit.
So according to his website also, he's a 2001 graduate of the Berwick Academy, 2006 graduate of University of New Hampshire, and the university confirms that he did graduate there in 2006. So he's not lying about that.
The one guy who directed, offered Kat a part in a play he was directing in the fall of 2011 said, I saw a young girl who was very interested in partaking in the production, who was reliable and helpful. Which in director language means not that talented, but she'd work for free, show up on time, and set shit up and do what I ask, basically.
She really wants to be involved. She's attractive enough.
She's a go-getter. She's just untalented.
She's just, as we could hear from her, she's not real talented. So this director said that McDonough changed a lot after she started dating seth so she went from an honor student who was one way to a dropout it was another way yeah they appeared together in the play uh last rights in july 2011 and that's kind of how they got together and eventually they moved in together and by the time of lizzie's disappearance in october 2012 they were living together sharing an apartment in Dover.
Wow. Now, here's what they're into, by the way.
And also, when she got together with Kat, she basically cut off all contact with her family. Or when she got together with Seth.
She cut off all contact with her family, dropped out of school. Is it meth? I'm going to be with this guy.
It's got to be meth. No, it's not meth.
It is fucking freaky sex that they are into together. Real? It is BDSM fucking ropes and bondage and shit like that.
Really? Yeah. Apparently, the one friend, the guy from Target.
She couldn't get enough getting choked and fucked her grades off for it? Fucked her grades off and her family and everybody else. That's how much she enjoys being tied up and fucked so or tying up other people and fucking whatever the case whichever way whichever way she likes tying to have you think the guy from target said we thought it was you know very sudden and we all knew that her parents didn't really approve of it when she moved in with this guy seth was working at a local electronics store and was a trained EMT, but not working as one.

Now, they said that when you come across his name on the Internet at the time, it's all on sex and bondage sites all over the place. Yeah, that's where you find him.
They said they learned also Kat was involved. She posted pictures of herself online using screen names such as Vampirate Actress.

Vampirate.

Vampirate actress vampirate vampirate actress and miss scarlet okay and they said she had obviously developed this fetish that we learned about that had to do with ropes and bondage and submissiveness okay because the police start looking into these people are like holy fuck this fuck this is what we're finding yeah so he uh by the way his other aliases online are dark kaiser no dark kaiser dark kaiser dark enough that's what i mean what are we doing enigmatic shadows that's a name and which sounds like a a really pretentious fucking high school band. We're Enigmatic Shadows.
And then they play fucking emo. And Rogue Temptress, even though he's a guy.
Temptress? Temptress. They also found some text messages here between Kat and Seth about, this gives you a good insight into their life, okay.
This is her to him, a cat to Seth to my love. I want you to attack me.
I need to be dominated. I have clothing.
You can tear off me, even cut off me. And then they, there's a couple of redactions because they're people.
How about getting something? Then when you're ready, that's redacted, then it gets to go, and then that's redacted. Okay.
Then she says, I'm aroused, and I want to be hit and thrown down. I really want to be tied up, tight.
I will be your submissive. Oh, and I know you get jealous when I call Cyrus certain names during our fun.
He goes by Cyrus sometimes also, Seth. I can call you anything you want if we can have fun.
Leave bruises, she says. And then love the willing.
That's how she signs off. Because you can't rape them, yeah.
Then he says back, to the willing, to thee my willing, I will dominate you brutally without mercy, leaving my marks upon you. You will be known as mine by the way I tie you, bind you.
Others will watch as I command your submission and as you fall prey to my whims. I am your lord.
You, my lady, are my toy. I will use you until your exhaustion and then command still more.
Your love. Signed, your love.
That's hot? That sounds like shit BTK wrote about people. It really does.
I've read so much of his shit that's exactly what he would sound like. Feels like shit he would write and then hide it in a log somewhere.
He'd hide it in a hidey hole, as he'd call it, in his fucking shed, in his parents' shed. So nobody sees it.
He can read it and jerk off later, but nobody else can see it. That was a little drawing of a fucking tied-up woman that he made.
And this guy clicks send his iMessage. Perfect.
Well, I mean, his response was actually correct to what the fuck she said. Yeah, that's so funny.

Anything less, it would seem like she's more into it than he is.

You know what I mean?

What are you going to say?

Yeah, sounds good.

I mean, that's –

C at eight.

She's like, well, fuck, that's no fun.

You're trying to keep up.

I don't fucking know who's the leader and who's the follower here.

I'm in C at eight.

Yeah.

All right.

So they're also – they've posted on fetish websites looking to bring a third into their relationship. Okay.
She dropped out of school for this. This is fucking crazy.
This is an actual ad that they posted and I'll read the whole thing and it's fucking lengthy. Dom slash switch couple looking for female slave slash sub in Dover, New Hampshirehire okay this is personal ads to another level here yeah my lord and i are looking to acquire a live-in slave that's how it starts she wrote this yeah well it's i guess it's less creepy if the woman is doing it yeah that that indicates uh more safety almost yeah right you.
I guess for sexual pleasure and housework.

Looking for a bang maid.

Looking for a bang maid is what they're looking for.

What the fuck?

Fuck us and bring a shark.

No shit.

Holy shit.

Fuck us and bring 409.

Don't forget the Mrs. Meyer.

Jesus Christ. He is the dom of the house and the master.
He's also 30 years old.

I am a nymphomaniac switch and I switch from slave sub dom.

So you may never know what mood I'm in. Oh, that sounds terrifying.

That's fun.

This is how our household works we also have a cat a little bit about us important shit first by the way we also have a cat it feels like they had that ad up and got a girl over and she walked in allergic oh i'm allergic yeah but this ad isn't over. They just stuck it somewhere in the middle.
We also have a cat. Anyway, moving on.
Anyway, our slave would be expected to keep the apartment in order, do the dishes, laundry, and some of the cooking. Well, you have to be a good cook and a weird and a freaky fuck.
That's a lot to ask of a stranger. Also, to be available for some form of sex at potentially any given time.
We wouldn't expect you to have a job outside the house. What happens in your free time will be approved by the master.
What the fuck? Wow. We plan to meet up with any potentials in person if interested to discuss the household further and see if you have any specific requests.
Then we would invite you in for about a month for a trial period to see how it works. And if by the end of that month we decide to part ways, so be it.
If on the other hand you are to stay, we can adjust what needs adjusting and go on with the agreement. This can be for a little while or long term.
Be aware that we choose our long term companions very carefully. She's 19.
She's not having any long term anything. Unlike many men and women who are willing to dive right into things on all levels.
Even though we are physically intimate right away we will take our time to circle you mentally and emotionally. We want to know who you are, what you are, how you respond under different pressures.
That's terrifying. We want to be sure of your interests and hopes and goals in life.
We also need to know your business plan for the future. Where do you see a zumbot? It's a weird interview question for this particular thing.
We will want to know you and be sure of you beyond a doubt in our minds if you're interested at all please contact us as we'd love to chat and discuss the possibilities also bring cat toys that doesn't say bring cat now here is a another text message from seth's phone to cat's phone on august 25th 2012 so about a month and a half before this all happens. And it says this, quote, The second price is this.
You choose a friend. Any of yours will do, and you offer her to me.
That I may do, and then with asterisks around it, anything I wish with her while you watch and assist in any way I might command you to do so. Ideally, this friend watches your punishment and helps, but I'll settle for someone who I interact with directly while you watch.
In other words, I'll fuck her and you watch, but otherwise. Yeah, obviously.
I think it would be fitting if the first thing you saw me do when you got back is to pleasure one of your friends until they died of something. You can fill the blank because it's redacted.
I don't know. He wrote that or Kat wrote that? He wrote this to her.
Okay, yeah. And only then turned my brutal attention to you.
Jesus. Now, the cops don't find Lizzie on any of these websites.
She doesn't have profiles, so she wouldn't have answered them on there or anything like that. So they're like, she knows her from Target, which is way different than fetish websites.
That's fucked up. Yeah.
But three days after she's disappeared, though, everybody's convinced that Seth and Kat have something to do with this shit. So police bring them in for questioning.
At the same time, put them in different rooms, obviously, and they talk to them. And Kat here, there is a friend of hers namedberta gherkin who they also chat with because they find a text to her on cat's phone so they get some information first and then they go in they say she got a straight she said she got a strange call from cat around 10 49 p.m the evening in question right she said something was going on they wanted my assistance and they wanted me to come over there so her and her boyfriend paul hickok arrived like wild bill arrived at seth and kat's apartment a little after 11 this roberta gerkin says as i'm walking in there there's a body on the floor there's a body on the floor right next to the bed so hickok the, said that all he kept repeating, meaning Seth, all he kept repeating was, quote, he's gone too far this time.
He's gone too far, he told the court later. So he said Seth was sitting there on the bed basically where her head was, and Kat was against the kitchen cabinets almost in a fetal position.
That's what they walked into. They're like, oh, all right, good to see you guys.
See you later. There's a body.
I got to go. Drop the six-pack off on the counter.
There you go. It's for you guys.
Yeah. Enjoy.
They described there, this is, they said that, yeah, she's, I guess they were talking about Seth sitting right there saying, I went too far, I went too far, or his cat's rocking back and forth in the fetal position in the kitchen. Not wanting to get involved, the two that came over, they just fucking left and didn't call 911 or anything.
They said, you should call an ambulance and left. No part of this.
Vegas car dealer. All 911.
Yeah. Someone went too far.
This isn't going to be on me. I'm not going to prison for this.
I didn't go too far. I went too far by coming over here.
I'm standing here with a fucking six or an ultra right now. Like, this is bullshit.
I want to go home. I want to go home.
So the police, when they talk to Kat, she says at first, Lizzie never showed up. Never showed up.
And then about two hours into the interview, she just stopped talking. She just wouldn't give anything anymore.
She just sat there. And so they finally said that you're free to go.
And she said, no, I'm going to wait for Seth to be done. Problem is Seth is in there for 11 hours.
Oh, he's talking, yeah. Well, at first, he says that Lizzie never made it to their place, and, you know, he'd gone out for a run, but he twisted his ankle, so he was slow getting back to the house.
She never came back. I've seen you, sir.
You're not running. You're not running anywhere.
Five fucking, five, nine, 200. Five, nine, 200.
Yeah. Where were you running, fucking McDonald's? Where were you running? Fucking Wendy's? Where were you running off the- Was the Hot Pocket done in the microwave? Why were you running? And also, Kat had told police that she went that night.
She has an alibi. She said, I went to a nearby cemetery trying to take pictures of ghosts with my digital camera.
I was ghost hunting.

He's going for a jog at night.

You know how people do.

Yeah, they had a busy night.

It's the same day, though.

They keep talking to Seth, and he's talking about bondage and sadomasochism

and all that kind of shit.

His name is S-D-S-M, too?

S-M, yeah, absolutely.

Whoa.

So he said that he then talks about Kat and another couple maybe harming Lizzie. Now he's putting it on them.
He said that when I arrived home with my sore ankle, Lizzie was at the house. I lied.
She was there, but I didn't know what happened. When I got there, she had a ligature mark around her neck.
And he said that some other guy must have done something really terrible terrible and then he wouldn't like say anything more about it so they keep just fucked up yeah they keep pecking away at him and eventually he goes okay fine there was sex and something went wrong that's what happened okay he says that neither of us tried to revive lizzie or summon help they said well, he said, basically, they were in the middle of sex and we'll give more details.

And she had a seizure when they were doing something, when they were doing some bondage thing.

She had a seizure and then she just stopped breathing.

He said, so they said, so did you try to help her give her CPR or something like that?

And he said, no, we put a plastic grocery bag over her head and tied it around her neck, which is what you do when someone has a seizure at your house. You just go, well, that's it for that.
And you fucking tie them up. I'd heard about this foam and I didn't want it to get it all over my apartment.
Tie it up like they're like they're a fucking bag of cat litter scoop. And like, what's going on? Tied her head like my dog just shit on the sidewalk.
Why would you do that? Un-fucking-believable. So Seth said, yeah, all this type of shit.
They said, was Kat involved? Where's the body? That's another thing. Where'd you put the body? Seth said, after Lizzie died, he panicked and brought the body to Pierce Island, which is where the river meets the atlantic ocean he said oh my god he and cat used lizzie's 2001 mazda to take her to pierce island in portsmouth where they threw her and her cell phone into the river god damn it her torso remained above the water he said though for a while then he said he Then he said he made Kat go into the water to push her off to get her off the rocks, and she'll describe that.
And then he made a joke to them about Davy Jones's locker. And he's making Pirates of the Caribbean references.
What are you fucking doing, dude? Oh, my God. This is a cold motherfucker.
Cold as ice and cold he said then they drove he's so cold he doesn't even realize he's cold no this is all normal to him he's just been acting like a psycho for so long he doesn't know how to be normal anymore then they drove to her car to the university of new hampshire left it in a student lot discarded her belongings and trash bins, and that was that. Does he know that he just gave them everything they needed? He's in a lot of trouble.
That is fucked up. By the way, she goes on a little more, that Gherkin lady, Roberta Gherkin, she said that when she got there, she actually also did take the bag off of Lizzie's face.
She used a box cutter to cut the bag. And she said that her face was totally blue when she did that.
You mean dead. Dead.
Dummy. And then she also said, I also heard them heard Kat and Seth.
Something else I didn't tell you at first. Kat and Seth.
I heard them talking about, quote, dumping the body, which is also a dead giveaway.

So they look in a dumpster behind Seth and Kat's apartment, and they find men's underwear, a pair of black gloves, and Lizzie's sweatshirt in there. Oh, God.
Evidence. They start searching everywhere.
No trace of Lizzie, though. They can't find her anywhere.
Obviously, her body is not to be found right now. They told the parents, and the dad says they brought us into the station, and we went off into a separate room, and we're given the news that Lizzie was dead.
You're kind of numb after you hear those words. Yeah.
And the mother said she was just out there someplace. They just threw her away in the ocean.
Yeah. So they talked to one of Seth's exes.
Seth's ex. Seth X.
Okay. This woman, her name's Catherine.
She dated Seth when he was in high school and when she was in high school and he was in college in upstate New York. He likes them younger.
He likes young girls named Kat. Yeah, because then they don't have – Yeah, they look up to him.
Well, no, he also wants to set – they don't have a thing yet. He's going to set and try to cement in early with their thing is there.
The cement still wet, I think, sexually is what he figures. So he can, you know, get him into weird shit if they're not already into it.
So she said that it was inevitable that Seth was going to kill. And Lizzie Marriott was the perfect victim for her for him.
They said she's asked in an interview, do you think that maybe it was a sexual encounter that went awry and it got too rough? And she said, no, this was murder. It's murder is what she said.
He wanted that. Yeah.
She said, I wish that she hadn't been there. But if it wasn't Lizzie Marriott, it would have been somebody else.
He fantasized about murder a lot when I was with him. Great.
She said initially he was, you know, flowers and he was very caring. He said she said, but he's always been into the BDSM type thing.
And she said that we were naked and fooling around and he put his hand around my throat fully. And I told him to stop and he started doing it harder.
And it just completely freaked out oh my god not into that some women like to be choked and some women don't like to be choked a lot it's goes it's a lot either way nobody's lukewarm on that shit either don't choke me or choke me now choke me right fucking now there's no other no in between hey everybody just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you a little bit more about our fashionable, stylish friends over at Quince. Spring's coming up.
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So she said that I told him to stop and it started getting harder and I got freaked out. And she said it's this slow descent into a lack of choices to the point where I couldn't leave is what her life with him was.
She said in 2002, they moved to New Hampshire where Catherine says Seth was always trying to bring other women into the bed. She said it was something that was just constant.
There was always needing to have more than just me in the relationship. And they said, why didn't you leave? She said, where would I have gone? I was 600 miles away from home and afraid to leave because if I left, he would kill me.
He would hunt me down and he would kill me. She ended up eventually moving out and going into hiding, like dropping off the face of the earth.
Wow. So finally, cat cracks when they go in there and they go, she's got to.
He's telling us all sorts of shit in here. She said you sunk a body.
According to him, most of it's you. So you want to talk here? You're the bad guy.
And she's like, whoa, I'm not the one with the dick here. That's the guy who was horny for her.

She then says, okay, this is what happened.

Lizzie's death was an accident, but it happened in our house.

She said she was sitting and the two of us were just kind of goofing around.

Or Seth was sitting and the two of us were just kind of goofing around.

The two girls, I guess.

The night started.

The three of them watched a movie, Don't know which one and played cards.

And then they played strip poker is what they did as we'll find out.

She said that it went from silly to kind of sexual. It started getting a little bit more intense.

And she said that Lizzie agreed to be tied up with bondage ropes and even draws a diagram of a harness for them that they had.

She said, I'd tied a harness on myself before, but it was the first time I'd ever tied a harness on someone else. So she even got down on the floor and demonstrated how she was positioned over Lizzie and was acting the whole thing out, which was probably poorly acted, as we've seen from her other.
Yeah, not good. In the middle of it, she put her head up and went oh my god she said that the uh at that point she said that lizzie had a seizure and suffocated and died as she was lying on the floor there as she was lying under her on the floor she said that they in the video too very detached she seems real weird cat uh she said it was too

much to handle i was freaking out uh she says this while looking completely unemotional

uh yeah so then a little reaction here from their friend nate from target he said it was extreme and

it didn't make sense i couldn't see lizzie just outright doing something like that well you don't

know how people fuck though you don't have no idea i mean yeah i've met a lot of girls that

You don't know.

Eventually, a lot of girls. You don't know.
Eventually, like, they're like, wow, you do this? Didn't expect that. That's what I mean.
Jesus. Put it where? Okay.
He said, especially with Kat and some guy, she only went over to a house once. And, yeah, she said no.
And also, she said Lizzie, at the other point of this, was in a committed relationship. She had a long-term girlfriend.
Lizzie liked girls. She had a long-term girlfriend, Brittany, and said that they were in a long-term committed relationship.
He said they always talked about, she always talked about all the fun things they would do and how much they really cared for each other. And Bob, Lizzie's dad, said, Kat's responsible.
Kat's involved in this. You know, why isn't she arrested? Because they arrest Seth right away, but they don't arrest her, which is crazy.
And they said, yeah, we've got him behind bars, but what about her? So it was two months before Kat's finally arrested. She's not arrested for murder, though.
She's charged with three counts of hindering an investigation and ordered to have no further contact with Seth. Huh.
The dad said she needs to rot in jail. That's what she needs.
Yes, she facilitated this. Yep, but they need Kat's testimony, apparently, and she's got a lot more to say so they offer her a deal instead of a possible 21 year sentence she'd be getting for those three things really it could be life because she's in the room and you could definitely charge her with murder if she testifies she'll get a maximum of three years one and a half to three years so she took it obviously because that's not take that deal.
Who would not? Especially because she was probably sitting in jail for a while waiting. It's probably going to be almost time served by the end of it.
Every day that we get closer to the trial is another day I don't have to serve. That's it.
So Seth's trial, Lizzie's dad before the trial said, when you have a kid, you spend a lot of time thinking, you know, what can I do for them? And when a child is murdered, the number of things you can do really evaporates. And supporting her at trial was one of the last things I'll be able to do for her.
The prosecution said, this is a, this is the opening. This is a case of deliberate rape, of deliberate, purposeful, cold-blooded murder.
The defendant struck quick, and he struck without any mercy whatsoever. This is his victim, 19-year-old Elizabeth Meredith.
After his rape and murder, the defendant conspired with Catherine McDonough to falsify evidence of his crimes. Why is she only getting three years then? Yeah, no kidding.
She said the defendant ordered McDonough was to obey without question. They said the case is not romanticized, fictionalized novel.

Some of you may read.

This was an exercise of power and control.

Basically, they were trying to get out there because this is when Fifty Shades of Grey was big. So they were trying to fucking.

This isn't Fifty Shades.

This isn't.

Oh, they were having this hot time at all.

You it wasn't.

It was a mutual thing.

They tricked her.

Yeah.

That the seven women on the jury, you've all fucking diddled yourself to.

That's not what this is.

No.

This is different.

So he's got to put that.

He said that Lizzie was attractive.

She was what he had been looking for.

The defendant and McDonough schemed about how they could exploit her sexually.

Letters shown in court, the prosecutors argue, point to the reason McDonough lied.

They say that she's a liar, but she lied for a reason. Because they've got to say that she is credible, basically.
They say she is his victim in the relationship where violence and abuse were masked under the guise of so-called kinky sex. And then they brought up the letter that said, I'll dominate you brutally without mercy.
God, Jesus. But that was really, those two were really, seemed mutually excited

about that shit.

And that was a lot.

Targeted on her,

not somebody else.

Yeah.

The defense said that

Cat killed Lizzie

and a sex game gone wrong.

That's what this was.

Seth wasn't even involved in it.

He was sitting there jerking off.

Yeah.

She said,

ladies and gentlemen,

Seth Mazziglia did not rape. He did not murder Liz Marriott.
Kat McDonough caused her death. He said that her testimony is a lie.
You're going to hear Seth is nothing more than a lovesick accomplice. And Kat is really the aggressor.
He said that although Kat caused Lizzie's death, Seth, in fact, was there, as with his defense attorney said. And so he did participate in the deeply flawed acts that followed the death, you know, dumping her in a fucking ocean.
They say that now Kat's only blaming Seth to save herself. That's what happened here.
They said, yep. They said test results, by the way, found that Lizzie and Seth's DNA were on the underwear.
Not cats. Cats weren't on them.
So the defense says that the DNA doesn't prove anything, though, because, you know, they were all. It proves a lot.
Exactly. They said the physical evidence shows what? Sex? That's what he said.
Yeah. Yeah.
Sex and then the person's dead and then in the ocean.

You have to assume it was against her will.

A squared, B squared, C squared.

That's rape and murder, my friend.

That's rape and fucking murder here.

So Kat testifies.

This is the whole case is Kat, basically.

The prosecutor said, how often would the defendant be dominant and you be a slave or submissive?

She said, all the time.

Daily?

Yes, she says.

Prosecutors are talking about this is what he does. He dominates.
He controls.

They said regardless of whether you'd be

the defendant's slave or submissive,

who always had the final say on matters?

She said he did.

She said

this is just the beginning where I've been able to open up

and actually explain and will explain

what happened to Lizzie.

So they said who killed Elizabeth Marriott?

She said, Seth points to him.

Did Lizzie die accidentally during some form of sexual activity gone bad that you both that she agreed to?

Kat says, no.

OK, this is the big twist.

Here we go, Kat.

He said, who introduced the ropes into use in sexual activity? And she said, um, he was the one who brought the ropes in. They said, did he and you engage in domination master submissive? She says, yes.
Then they read a bunch of text messages where, you know, the promising this and commands for him to find, for her to find him a girl and all that kind of shit. It time i punished you other one text message reading there's a bunch of details and at the end it said it's time i punished you you filthy little whore was what he texted her oh boy now he then reads from a second part of the text in which he says you choose a friend any of yours will do, the one we read earlier.
And, yeah.

So then they said, Ms. McDonough, did your efforts to locate another sexual partner for the defendant intensify when you received that text message? And she said, yes.
She was given a directive here, basically. They said, and was that when you reached out to Lizzie Marriott and invited her over to the apartment? And she said, yes.
so uh texts from october 9th which is the when lizzie disappeared show that she arrives at the apartment at 8 51 they said and then we all started talking about what we wanted to do they said they decided on a movie at cat's suggestion then at cat's suggestion a game of strip poker she said we all sat down and began to. The lights were very dim.
We were just kind of laughing. I ended up not wearing anything.
She ended up in just her underwear. And she said, that's when Seth made his move to initiate sex.
Oh, boy. Seth suggested that I should kiss Lizzie.
And she said she wasn't comfortable with that and that she was in a committed relationship, Kat said. Oh, really? Yeah.
She's like, no, I don't want to do that. I'll play around.
I'll be in my underwear, but I'm not kissing anybody or fucking anybody, basically. I got a girlfriend.
Yeah. So Kat says that Seth made another suggestion or asked a question.
He asked her if he could have sex with me in the room, is what Kat said. Can we fuck in front of you? How's that? Yeah, yeah.
And she said no. She wasn't okay with that.
Okay. Okay.
So this is going to be an awkward Monday at Target, let me tell you something. Yeah.
Oh, boy. So she said that he looked – she could tell he started to look angry at this point.
She said he didn't like to be told no. Seth was sitting on the futon behind us, and that's when he did it.
She said that while Lizzie sat on the floor watching a movie, Seth quietly put on gloves behind her and grabbed a rope. Holy shit.
She said, quote, he moved up behind her and pulled the rope over her neck and strangled her. She let out a quick noise and then she sort of sort of stopped moving.
This is fucking horrifying. Holy shit.
That is disgusting. This poor fucking girl.
Jesus Christ. They said, and do these appear to be the gloves? They show they hold up the gloves and they're like these black creepy gloves.
I got a picture of them. I'll post.
Oh, boy. And she said yes.
And they said, then what happened?

Was that the end of it?

And she said, no, it wasn't.

Then he raped her when she was dead.

Oh, my God, Seth.

After he strangled her.

What the fuck?

This is horrific.

They said.

So there was no BDSM tying up like she said?

Nothing.

There was no harness?

No.

There was a rope.

Straight up murder.

Yep.

Thank you. they said so there was no bdsm tying up like no said nothing there was no harness no there was a rope straight up murder yep it was a murder and then he raped a corpse yeah exactly i'm horrified oh boy for everyone involved except for seth he sucks so cat said she wasn't moving at all she was completely limp and they said she wasn't.
And she said no. They said, did you tell him to stop? And she said no.
No. What are you going to say? Well, wow.
I guess at that point, I mean, he's got the rope out. They said, did you yell for help? She said no.
They said, did you do anything to save Lizzie's life? Not at all. Okay.
She said, I definitely have, oh, this is a juror later on said, I definitely have sympathy for Kat. I don't think she was in control of her, anything, her mind, anything that night.
She also said on the stand, Kat said, Seth came over to me. I was still curled up and he held out his arm to me and he said, come on, we're in this together.
Oh boy. She said But by that time, it was very late, like 1 a.m.
They said together, the prosecutor said together, they located Lizzie's car, took the car, using back roads and avoiding all the toll booths they went to. Right, so no cameras.
No cameras. Yep.
They said that she helped put the body into Lizzie's car. They drove 13 miles to the coast, and they parked at the end of Pierce Island and brought Lizzie's body wrapped in a tarp and stuffed into a suitcase.
What the shit? This is fucked up, man. Up to a path and an overlook above the river, they took her body out of the suitcase, and they asked who pushed Lizzie's body over the cliff at that point, and she said Seth did.
She, the body tumbled down the cliff, but it was low tide and she landed on the rocks. Oh God, Jesus.
35 feet down. Oh Jesus.
So Seth said, he said he couldn't climb because he was too exhausted. So that's when I climbed down to her.
He said to cover her with seaweed. So I covered her completely with seaweed and I managed to push her into the water.
She said that she spent the remaining hours of that night throwing away the evidence that's never been recovered. Suitcase, most of her clothing, the rope that she was strangled with, all of that.
And then they left the car in the parking lot and walked six miles home. Good God.
What a fucking. That's a gross six mile hike.
That is disgusting. And you're with this piece of shit next to you.
Yeah. Corpse raper.
So they said that she was, she said she was completely isolated from her friends and family. She said, I didn't want to lose him.
He was the only person I have. I didn't have anywhere else I could go.
Holy fucking shit. And they said also the underwear, they said, uh, that was another item he threw away in the dumpster.
And she said, yes. And these items show in the gloves and all that.
She said, yes, the juror later on said the gloves for me were very concriminating. That was the point where I thought premeditation when he put on those gloves, he was actually thinking about doing something.
Oh, boy. Cross-exam here.
Defense attorney says,

do you have the capacity to look these jurors in the eye and lie to them while you project meekness and submissiveness and remorse? And she said, I'm not lying to them. I'm up here to explain everything that had happened truthfully to the point where I'm admitting to awful things that I personally have done.
I did lie a lot, but I don't want to anymore. And that's why I'm up here telling the truth.
Yeah. They got a psychiatrist in here who's an expert on abusive relationships and said that you can love someone and be afraid of them simultaneously.
This is what abusers count on. This is a very gradual increase of the manipulation and control, and it usually just increases when they feel the need to.

Closing arguments, the defense argues that Kat can't be trusted.

Said, what we have is Kat McDonough being the manipulator of facts, lying, lying to you from that witness stand.

And the prosecutor said that she's not on trial.

Set this.

Right.

He said, send him the message that you know the truth about him and that he's a cold-blooded killer. The verdict, five men, seven women.
And that comes in. Lizzie's dad said, I've never been that nervous in my life.
We were all sitting on pins and needles. Right.
And they find him guilty of first-degree murder. Yeah.
by strangulation, guilty of first-degree rape and murder, and guilty on two counts of conspiracy. He's fucked.
Super, yeah. For sentencing, he didn't want to show up.
He didn't even show up to sentence. He ended up showing up, but he didn't want to.
He was trying to get the judge to sign off on it. Now, technically, you have a right to be there, but there but you don't have to be there you don't want to a law professor said that it's not remarkably unusual and he's seen a lot of judges grant these requests really he said what's he going to miss he's going to miss the judge probably saying nasty things about him and other people saying nasty things about him but he doesn't of course he doesn't want to be there this is taking your medicine after after all this.
Why be there? They get the family up on the stand here. The uncle that she was living with, that Lizzie was living with, Tony, said, you are the one that took her life from us and Lizzie from us.
He said, you're a twisted individual who brought only darkness and pain into this world. Wow.
Her dad said,

It's so hard to envision that level of evilness and disregard for humanity.

Lizzie's gone.

I still find that hard to comprehend.

You murdered her over a year and a half ago, and every day I wonder what she would have been doing.

She said, I call this dad's exhibit one and was allowed to walk around the courtroom with a big picture of her holding a holding a little turtle in her hand.

Oh, fuck.

Or frog.

I'm sorry.

He said, look closely and you can see a frog gently cupped in her hands. Why is Lizzie so happy? She's saving that frog.
Mom said, we were all shell-shocked during the trial. Lizzie died twice a day, every day.
It was awful. And then she said, Mr.
Mazzaglia, I'm Melissa Marriott. Iott i'm lizzie's mother i miss lizzie every day i wake up in the morning and she's gone i go to bed at night she's still gone and all because a cowardly 30 year old man could not deal with a confident young woman he just didn't want to fuck her or she just didn't want to fuck she didn't want to fuck him that's it he could have went oh that's cool finish the movie she took off and then find somebody who wants to fuck you.
He's a 5'9 dumpy shit. Nobody wants to fuck you, man.
Sorry.

Especially if she's into chicks, that's the last guy

she wants to fuck.

So, Seth has a chance to

speak, and he does. What's he say?

A quote, I did not

rape and murder Elizabeth Marriott.

Bad start. Oh, dude, don't do that.

However, I do understand the Marriott family's pain,

and I did play a part in covering up her death.

A mistake I tried to correct when investigators

came to me, and I showed them exactly where I left

Thank you. Bad start.
Oh, dude, don't do that. However, I do understand the Marriott family's pain, and I did play a part in covering up her death.
A mistake I tried to correct when investigators came to me, and I showed them exactly where I left Lizzie's body. Unfortunately, we were unable to recover her, and for that, I am truly sorry.
My heart goes out to the Marriott family, and I'm very sorry for their loss. I'm sure you are.
Super sorry. The judge says, you, dumpy little pervert, may fuck off life without parole oh is that right dicks you little fucker yeah he had all the aggravating factors forever and ever fuck you oh boy uh dad said uh lizzie's dad bob who these parents i feel terrible they seem like nice people who raised a nice kid and they're a great kid they're just fucking just obliterated by this.
He said, we're very grateful that the jury returned a verdict of guilty for first degree murder. The truth of what happened to Lizzie is horrendous.
And every time it's been told, it's reinforced the despair that we feel. Unbelievable.
Cat pleads guilty to hindering prosecution in a sentence to, you ma'am may fuck off, I guess.

A year and a half to three years in prison, she gets.

Jesus Christ.

The jurors said, how can you prove a murder without a body?

One juror said, no body, no crime.

They're going to keep saying it.

I'm telling you. They're going to say it all the time.

I mean, it's very easy.

If she doesn't exist, you can't see her anywhere.

She's not using her car, her money.

She's not alive.

She's dead.

She said, I didn't think it was possible. One juror said they kind of believed the defense.
They said, that put a question mark in my head. Could that have actually happened the way she's describing it, meaning Kat? Kat was on the stand for 10 days, by the way.
Jesus.

Oof.

So they said that if he testified, it would have helped to at least get his side of the

story and put it together.

One juror said she could have manipulated him.

She's an actress.

She's a compulsive liar.

No, she's not.

All these things are questions that go into your head.

No, she's definitely not.

You see her audition.

She's not an actress.

No. They said, though, it was kind of like ping pong.
We broke it down step by step. They said, I think she's one juror said, I think the cat's way more culpable than her sentence.
Like, we thought she should have. She should have gotten more.
Said, I think she should have gotten a longer sentence. I mean, we can't forget that she helped dispose of a fucking body, obviously.
So anyway, they have rememberinglizzy.org, by the way, L-I-Z-Z-I.org.

They set up a scholarship in her memory.

It's called the Lizzie Marriott Intrepid Ocean Explorer Fund.

So that's nice if you want to put some money somewhere nice.

2016, Seth tries to appeal saying that we weren't allowed to introduce evidence of Lizzie being into freaky sex. Oh, okay.
And that she wanted to be there and all this type of shit. They said, you're not bringing her sex life into this because it's fucking irrelevant.
Someone there said you fucking strangled her when she said no, then rape the corpse. Just because she likes other shit is completely irrelevant.
She wasn't alive when sex was done. Yep, and so that was that that was the the state supreme court said not happening motherfuckers um say so you're not you're not gonna now run this girl through the mud because you feel like it's out of memory jesus there you go he's rotting in fucking jail luckily and um she's out oh cat's out there in jail by now right she's a she's a shit bag she's definitely having freaky sex i'll tell you that much she's into that shit so there you go everybody if you like the show please please leave a nice review for us give us five stars say something nice on whatever app you're listening on it really helps a ton shut up and give me murder.com is the website get all your tickets for live shows all the 2025 dates are going to be announced in December.
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