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Speaker 3 A remote community is rocked when a resident is gunned down in his home.

Speaker 11 He was laying on his back in a pool of blood.

Speaker 12 It's a heinous crime.

Speaker 13 He was very appreciated within that community. So the big question is, who would do this to him?

Speaker 3 Could the victim's tangled personal life have played a role?

Speaker 15 They had an ongoing affair going back to at least 2014. It was a very rocky relationship from the text messages.

Speaker 3 An unexpected tip will bring detectives head to head with a dangerous group of criminals and a twisted couple bound by an appetite for destruction.

Speaker 16 This was his first real girlfriend, and he was just seeing butterflies.

Speaker 7 If you're loving him, he loves you like he's gonna do anything to protect you.

Speaker 18 She'd written, New Age, Bonnie, and Clyde, riding together to the homicide detectives, pull us apart.

Speaker 5 When you get into a relationship like that, very few things that are good come out of it.

Speaker 19 This was unfortunately the perfect combination for murder.

Speaker 3 Deep in the expansive wilderness of Cowlitz County, Washington, lies the small town of Ryderwood.

Speaker 13 Riderwood's a neat little community that's set up around National Forest and State Forest Land.

Speaker 16 It's a rarity that the Sheriff's Office goes to the town of Ryderwood because it's a peaceful place full of retirees.

Speaker 3 But on March 18th, 2019, an urgent 911 call forces law enforcement out to this quiet area.

Speaker 20 911 emergency, what are you reporting?

Speaker 20 Okay, what's going on?

Speaker 21 He's being scared on the kitchen floor. Okay, I'm not here.

Speaker 20 Okay, he's laying on the kitchen floor. Dad! Dad!

Speaker 3 Deputies with the Callitz County Sheriff's Office are immediately dispatched to the scene.

Speaker 22 Ryderwood is at the northern tip of our county border. It's a good 40-minute drive, 45-minute drive to Ryderwood.

Speaker 23 So it's a very remote area.

Speaker 22 We sped up our response to get to that location.

Speaker 22 When we arrived on scene, I saw a female sitting outside the home on a truck.

Speaker 11 Like anyone would that respond to this type of scene, she was quite frantic and wanted an immediate response from emergency services.

Speaker 24 So we go in and there was blood all over the floor.

Speaker 10 There was a large trauma to the face.

Speaker 22 A quick pulse check helped me verify that the subject was deceased, slightly cold to the touch. It definitely looked like a gunshot wound to the facial area.

Speaker 22 We don't know if this is a homicide, if this is an accidental shooting. We secured the scene as best we could and waited for our detective unit and Detective Glatson to show up.

Speaker 3 When Cowlitz County detectives arrive, they begin the arduous task of processing the scene for evidence.

Speaker 11 The victim was laying on his back in a pool of blood, and he had an apparent gunshot wound. The.45 caliber case that was found in the scene.

Speaker 15 When a gunshot occurs, the closer a gun is held to somebody's body, the closer it is.

Speaker 16 It's going to leave these little black marks that are called stipling. There is stippling all over his face.

Speaker 11 What that indicated to us is that his face was three feet or less from the barrel of the gun when he was shot and killed.

Speaker 3 While there's no sign of forced entry, it's clear to detectives where the assailant likely entered and exited the home.

Speaker 11 The back door was wide open,

Speaker 11 and there was blood on the exterior of the door, which showed that that door was open at the time that he was shot.

Speaker 17 We have a realm of possibilities here.

Speaker 16 We were very interested in hearing what the 911 caller had to say.

Speaker 22 She said her name was Kayen. She said that she was the girlfriend of the deceased, said that she had come over to check on him because she tried to call him earlier in the morning.

Speaker 22 She couldn't get a hold of him.

Speaker 3 Kayenne identifies the victim as 47-year-old Travis Sieber.

Speaker 11 Kayen was Travis' second alarm clock. Apparently, he had some difficulties waking up early in the morning for work, so she decided to drive over to his residence to make sure he was awake.

Speaker 11 She walked in and found him in the kitchen floor, laying on his back in a pool of blood.

Speaker 22 She was exhibiting shock or disbelief. You could tell it was difficult for her to kind of comprehend what was taking place.

Speaker 11 At this point in time, it is wide open as to who could have done this to Travis.

Speaker 11 We needed more information.

Speaker 3 An avid outdoorsman, Travis Sieber hit the jackpot when he landed in Riderwood, Washington.

Speaker 13 Travis grew up here in Washington State, born and raised here.

Speaker 13 He's one of six siblings. He moved to Riderwood area because he was an outdoorsman kind of guy.
So anything related to outside, he was definitely interested and active in.

Speaker 13 He loved fishing, loved hunting, loved chickens, loved working with bees and beehives and making honey.

Speaker 3 A jack of all trades, Travis worked as a logger, a handyman, and a driver for his brother's pilot car company.

Speaker 13 He was a pilot. A pilot is a person that follows oversized loads, so they would follow a truck.
and clear the way, make sure they don't hit bridges, make sure the roads are wide enough, etc.

Speaker 13 He was very appreciated within that community and built a really good reputation. A lot of times he volunteered his work.
He had a big heart and I respect.

Speaker 3 Over the years, Travis had two children, but his romantic relationships never seemed to last.

Speaker 13 He never got married, but he did have female companions. In the process, he did have kids.
A young man, and then he has a young daughter.

Speaker 11 They had a child that he was paying child support for that didn't currently live with him.

Speaker 15 Travis lived the life of a bachelor. He liked to go out to the bars, and

Speaker 15 he liked to meet a lot of women.

Speaker 3 And yet he never gave up hope that he would find the one. So when he met Kayen in 2007, he decided to give the relationship a shot.

Speaker 13 I know Kayen really cared for Travis. I know Travis really cared for her.

Speaker 3 But on March 18th, 2019,

Speaker 3 Kayen finds Travis shot to death inside his home.

Speaker 11 In the homicide investigation, the person of interest is the person to find the victim. So that was my interest in speaking with her right away.

Speaker 11 Kayen lived with him for a period of one year, but approximately three years prior to this incident, she had moved out of his house and lived in a separate residence a couple miles away.

Speaker 11 But she still indicated that she was Travis' girlfriend. Kayen also reported that Travis was the victim of a burglary just a couple months earlier in January of 2019.

Speaker 11 She didn't offer up any explanations to enemies. So, you know, obviously robbery, burglary, that could be a motive.
But he didn't have a whole lot of cash or other valuables inside of his house.

Speaker 11 She said that he did have some jewelry and she noticed that that jewelry was missing.

Speaker 11 Travis's home had not been ransacked, but what you could tell is in Travis's bedroom, you can see fresh movement off of his dresser. There was dust that indicated things had recently been displaced.

Speaker 11 One of those items was a DVD player, and the other item was a DVR that went to Travis's surveillance system.

Speaker 16 Travis had security cameras across the entirety of his house from every direction.

Speaker 15 The wires from the security cameras went to that DVR, which is a hard drive and would show who was at his house. That was ripped out of his bedroom.

Speaker 19 Travis's cell phone was also taken as well.

Speaker 11 In the murderer's haste to take the DVR equipment, they knocked several envelopes from Travis' dresser onto the floor. The murderer stepped on the envelope on his way out with the DVR.

Speaker 11 It was apparent that the shoe print, the shoe impression that was left on the envelope, was from the murderer because I analyzed all of Travis's and Kayan's shoes,

Speaker 11 and none of those shoes matched the impression that was left on the envelope.

Speaker 3 Detectives wrap up their investigation at the house and notify Travis' family of his death. His brother Calvin arrives on the scene soon after.

Speaker 11 He really didn't have much information to offer as to who Travis and his enemies might be, who he didn't get along with, what problems he might be having with people.

Speaker 13 Travis was not the kind of person that he owed people money or made threats to people. He was not that kind of guy, so the big question is who would do this to him?

Speaker 3 When detectives ask his brother about Travis' relationship with Cayenne, he gives an entirely different description from Cayenne's.

Speaker 11 Kayen described herself as Travis' girlfriend.

Speaker 11 However, Travis' brother referred to the relationship between Travis and Cayenne as often on relationship, and he didn't know what the current status was.

Speaker 22 How did Travis treat Kayen?

Speaker 25 You know, he was rude to her at times.

Speaker 6 I mean, either they were together and life was good, or he was, get the hell out of here, I want nothing to do with you.

Speaker 23 It seemed Kyan was much more serious about the relationship than Travis

Speaker 16 and he said there are several women that were involved with him at the time of his murder.

Speaker 11 It was no secret within Travis's family and friends that he had a multitude of girlfriends, that he met women on dating apps and on social media.

Speaker 3 Could Travis's exploits with other women have sent Kayen into a jealous rage?

Speaker 11 Travis' relationship with Kayen was certainly very peculiar. Those kind of relationships can

Speaker 7 go bad easily.

Speaker 11 And it was certainly a concern of ours that this relationship could have gone south.

Speaker 3 Coming up, the suspect list continues to grow as detectives uncover a salacious secret.

Speaker 15 She admitted she and Travis had an ongoing affair.

Speaker 11 I'm concerned that this love triangle could have gone bad.

Speaker 3 And a string of crimes will put a Bonnie and Clyde duo in their crosshairs.

Speaker 5 It was a dysfunctional relationship from the get-go that unfortunately ended up costing someone their life.

Speaker 3 In Riderwood, Washington, detectives have just learned that their murder victim, 47-year-old Travis Sieber, was dating other women while involved with his girlfriend and the 911 caller, Kayenne Maloch.

Speaker 11 So my first step was to have a sit-down interview with Kayen.

Speaker 11 I had her sit in the front seat of my car while I sat in the driver's seat and I recorded our interview.

Speaker 11 First of all, just how long you have known Travis?

Speaker 30 I have known him for, I'd say, 12 years. Okay, and how long have you been in the dating relationship?

Speaker 21 About almost four.

Speaker 33 During those three years, did you guys have relationships with other people?

Speaker 30 He would have an open-sided relationship, like he would sleep with other people.

Speaker 21 Okay. There's no other

Speaker 11 way to say it.

Speaker 31 Do you know like the names of the people he slept with?

Speaker 21 No.

Speaker 31 So you guys haven't been having any problems lately?

Speaker 21 Okay. And you don't know?

Speaker 11 Kyan reported that she was last at Travis's house the prior evening, and she estimated that she left his house about 9.45 p.m.

Speaker 11 And she was home the entire time between 9.45 p.m.

Speaker 28 and 7 a.m the following morning.

Speaker 11 I asked her if she was okay with us analyzing her phone and she immediately turned her phone over to the police.

Speaker 15 Over the course of the four years that you've been you've been dating him has he had beef with other people as far as somebody wanting to physically try and do anything

Speaker 20 not that I'm aware of

Speaker 3 Once Kayen is released, a deputy approaches Detective Gladson.

Speaker 11 The deputy told me that there was a woman just down the hill that wanted to speak with the investigator.

Speaker 11 I went to the neighbor's house and I spoke with a female who advised that she received a text message from Travis at 5.09 that morning.

Speaker 11 She wanted to relay that information to me so it would help narrow down the timeframe in which Travis was murdered.

Speaker 16 The neighbor was in the process of making her daily coffee in preparation to go to a workout class when Travis sent her this high text message at 5 a.m.

Speaker 16 She said she didn't see that text message until her workout class was over and deputies had already arrived on scene. We found a 5 a.m.

Speaker 15 text message to a neighbor woman who's married to be a little bit odd, but it was indicative to us that Travis was alive at 5 a.m.

Speaker 11 I knew at that point that this murder happened sometime between 5 a.m. and 7 a.m.

Speaker 3 Curious about the nature of their relationship, detectives asked the neighbor why Travis would text her so early in the morning.

Speaker 15 She had admitted she and Travis had an ongoing affair going back to at least 2014.

Speaker 19 She revealed to us that she was last intimate with Travis about eight days prior to his murder.

Speaker 11 Travis's neighbor was about Travis' age. She had a husband that was significantly older.

Speaker 11 I asked the neighbor if her husband was aware of the affair that Travis had with her, and she said he was aware, but he did not think it was ongoing. He thought it had stopped years earlier.

Speaker 11 I asked her how her husband would react. If he had saw a message on her cell phone that came from Travis, she said he would not be happy.

Speaker 3 Detectives consider the possibility that her spouse had secretly uncovered the betrayal.

Speaker 11 I'm concerned that this love triangle could have gone bad.

Speaker 11 At this point in time, the neighbors are absolutely persons of interest.

Speaker 11 When I spoke with the husband at his home, he was aware of the past relationship that his wife had with Travis, but he didn't have any animosity or ill will towards Travis stemming from that relationship.

Speaker 11 They were neighborly with each other.

Speaker 35 I got over it and I never harbored any hard feelings toward Travis because I just thought he wasn't conscious of his actions, what he was doing.

Speaker 11 We hinted around at the possibility that they were still having an intimate relationship and he was clearly not aware of that.

Speaker 26 If they were involved with each other recently, would you be surprised?

Speaker 32 I would be very surprised.

Speaker 26 Would you be upset?

Speaker 35 Yes, but I truly, really don't think that in the last several years they had a sexual relationship.

Speaker 16 And I asked him if he had a firearm and he confirmed that, that they don't have firearms, never have had firearms.

Speaker 15 He doesn't believe in firearms.

Speaker 15 He was very genuine. It just seemed unlikely due to his age and his demeanor that he was involved.

Speaker 11 The neighbor is just simply not a violent person.

Speaker 15 We asked the husband if he believed his wife would be involved in the murder of Travis, and he said no.

Speaker 11 I asked the neighbor if she would allow me to look at her phone. She was very reluctant to provide her a cell phone.

Speaker 15 She decided that she had personal things on her phone that she didn't want to share with us, and we ended up seizing her phone pursuant to the application of a search warrant.

Speaker 11 One of the first things we wanted to look at was her communication with Travis in the days leading up to this murder. She had indicated that her and Travis were getting along fine.
They were great.

Speaker 11 The relationship was very friendly.

Speaker 16 When we searched her phone, we found out that that wasn't so much the case.

Speaker 15 It was a very rocky relationship from the text messages. There was strong language from Travis to the neighbor.

Speaker 11 Travis had sent her some messages in which he told her to F off. It was clear that he was frustrated with her being controlling, being overbearing, being jealous.

Speaker 3 But the neighbor's more recent texts to Travis are most alarming to detectives.

Speaker 11 Shortly after I arrived, she sent him a message that says, I hope you're doing well wherever you are. She sent him a third message saying that she forgot to give him his Christmas present.

Speaker 11 I found that really odd, why she would send him text messages after she knew he was deceased.

Speaker 3 Detectives decide to bring Travis's neighbor in for a formal interview. When confronted about the text messages, she's quick to explain her actions.

Speaker 15 The neighbor told us that she was a very spiritual, deep type of person, and so she felt she was connecting with Travis after he passed.

Speaker 15 That was strange. Definitely raised some questions.

Speaker 15 There was no direct evidence on her phone showing that she was at Travis's house that morning.

Speaker 15 So while there's oddities about her relationship with Travis, we're going back to the drawing board a little bit here.

Speaker 3 Circling back to their original suspect, Travis's on-again, off-again girlfriend, Kyan, detectives received the results from her cell phone.

Speaker 16 The call detail records for Kayan's phone showed that when she called Travis the morning of the homicide, she was at her residence.

Speaker 19 Her story checked out and the cell phone records substantiated that.

Speaker 16 We were able to rule Kyan out as a suspect in this murder.

Speaker 3 Detectives believe Travis's complicated love life still holds the key to solving his murder.

Speaker 11 One of the things that Kayen initially told us that Travis was missing, in addition to the DVR equipment, was his cell phone.

Speaker 16 We wrote search warrants to ping that phone, and we had a pretty small grid area where we believed the phone had been ditched.

Speaker 11 We believed it was discarded along State Route 506.

Speaker 11 We conducted two search and rescue missions in that area and attempted to try and locate that cell phone.

Speaker 26 It was very difficult terrain.

Speaker 34 There are blackberry bushes, steep hills, ravines, creeks.

Speaker 11 Our search and rescue folks were beating brush for two days trying to find the cell phone.

Speaker 18 There was a search for it and they were not finding it.

Speaker 27 And the ping became more and more faint until they weren't able to recover it.

Speaker 15 So we do a search for it to Facebook, the dating sites that he's on, his email, his phone records, and we're identifying all the people that he's in contact with.

Speaker 11 Travis was having a lot of relationships with a lot of different women and some of those women were married women.

Speaker 11 So there were certainly some concerns that one of these married women's husbands found out about the extramarital affair and decided to take matters into his own hands.

Speaker 16 We're making phone calls.

Speaker 15 We're looking at the criminal history on people to see if they'd be upset or capable of this.

Speaker 15 In homicide investigations, you have to look at every possibility.

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Speaker 3 Riderwood, Washington police are investigating the shooting death of Travis Sieber, and his loved ones are grappling with the magnitude of their loss.

Speaker 21 When

Speaker 36 somebody took him away, they took away a great person. And that's probably the biggest question I have.
I ask a thousand times a day: why, you know.

Speaker 16 This crime definitely had an impact on the Ryderwood community.

Speaker 34 It's a community that people aren't typically locking their door.

Speaker 16 They don't see any violent crime. I've never heard of a murder in Riderwood before this case.

Speaker 26 We're spinning our wheels for three weeks, just going through data, and we're not getting anywhere.

Speaker 33 We're just waiting until a lead breaks.

Speaker 13 This was really devastating for my family, my wife, my mother-in-law, my brother-in-laws.

Speaker 21 That waiting in the unknown was very draining.

Speaker 13 But we understood, you know, this is going to take time. You got to figure out who did it and why.

Speaker 23 You know, what's their plan?

Speaker 13 Is there any evidence of a suspect?

Speaker 23 And at the time, there wasn't.

Speaker 24 There wasn't anything obvious.

Speaker 13 So it was a whodunit type case.

Speaker 3 Then, on April 8th, Cowlitz County detectives receive case-breaking information from the Centralia Police Department nearly 40 miles north.

Speaker 16 Essentially, Centralia PD since mid-March was getting rocked by downtown burglaries.

Speaker 10 There was at least a dozen commercial businesses that were burglarized from cell phone businesses, coffee stands, tattoo shops, Mexican restaurants.

Speaker 10 Mainly they were attacking the cash register and safes looking for money.

Speaker 15 It was almost a nightly occurrence.

Speaker 11 They had assembled a task force to specifically focus on ending this commercial burglary ring that they were having.

Speaker 10 They all had the same MO,

Speaker 10 same group of individuals committing the burglaries.

Speaker 10 One of the Centralia patrol officers who had been working a couple of the cases ended up identifying one of the suspects through surveillance videos at the stores.

Speaker 3 Centralia police worked quickly to apprehend the suspect, a 29-year-old resident named Patrick Gish.

Speaker 10 Patrick Gish was the first one identified. We ended up setting up surveillance on a residence at South Rock Street in Centralia.

Speaker 10 We entered the residence and located him hiding upstairs and he was taken into custody.

Speaker 10 Patrick Gish was transported to the police department and wanted to cooperate with law enforcement. He admitted to participating in burglaries.

Speaker 3 But as police press Patrick about the identities of his co-conspirators, he reveals a damning piece of information.

Speaker 15 He told the detectives about a murder that occurred in Ryderwood.

Speaker 19 He said that one of the other suspects in the burglary used a.45 caliber pistol to murder a guy where he shot him in the face near his back door.

Speaker 10 We were aware that there was a homicide in Ryderwood, so all this information was relayed to Detective Bladson.

Speaker 11 It was never released that the gunshot wound was to the face. It was never released that it was by a.45 caliber gun.

Speaker 11 So with Patrick knowing those two things, we certainly want to talk to him right away.

Speaker 3 Calitz County detectives immediately respond to the Centralia Centralia Police Department to speak with Patrick.

Speaker 11 He's obviously providing information. He described the gut.

Speaker 32 It was a Police Issue 45 with the grip safety.

Speaker 21 It's like black.

Speaker 16 He also told us that the suspect took the DVR to the security system and the cell phone belonging to the victim and got rid of it.

Speaker 3 Patrick explains that the suspect is one of his fellow accomplices in the burglary ring.

Speaker 15 Patrick Gish told us his friend Anthony DuPuisie Green, who goes by Tony, committed this murder.

Speaker 11 This is the first time that I'd heard the name Anthony DuPoisie Green in our investigation. How long have you known Tony?

Speaker 21 I met him in prison.

Speaker 24 How long ago?

Speaker 32 216.

Speaker 5 Tony's not a stranger to the criminal justice system. He's been in and out throughout a good portion of his life.

Speaker 15 Gish got out, came back to Centrelia, and then Tony got out and reconnected with Gish committing burglaries.

Speaker 10 The way it sounded was that Tony was the leader of this

Speaker 10 band of thieves breaking into these businesses.

Speaker 3 According to Patrick, he and Tony have been crashing at the home of Tony's girlfriend, 43-year-old Liz Rogan.

Speaker 11 How long have you been staying with him?

Speaker 35 Out there

Speaker 21 a couple months.

Speaker 35 You told me that he was with their burglaries.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it was me and him at the Foxy Day.

Speaker 32 Which one in the video was young Branch and the gun police man that's tony yeah i don't

Speaker 15 mess with guns when tony and gish and the others were out committing these burglaries they they would use liz's car and liz would act as a a lookout for them while they were breaking into the businesses

Speaker 3 With this information, Centralia Police secure a search warrant for Liz's home.

Speaker 3 But she isn't there. On her property, however, they make a crucial discovery.

Speaker 5 One of the huge pieces of evidence that was recovered from Ms. Rogan's residence was the firearm.

Speaker 5 It was determined to be the firearm that was used in the murder.

Speaker 10 The gun was just in hiding in plain sight, if you will. There was a bag that was hanging on the fence at the front of the residence.

Speaker 25 I looked into the bag, and there's a Colt 451911 sitting in the bag.

Speaker 3 Three weeks after Travis Sieber's murder, Cowlitz County and Centralia police agencies have uncovered the murder weapon at Liz Rogan's residence. Detectives surveil the home in hopes Liz will return.

Speaker 10 Liz showed up later in the day. She was a little nervous and apprehensive.
She was hesitant in answering questions.

Speaker 10 Liz was actually transported to the Centrala Police Department to give an interview.

Speaker 3 When Cowlitz County detectives sit down with Liz and question her about Travis Sieber, she explains an unexpected connection.

Speaker 20 How do you know Travis?

Speaker 21 I met him back in 2014 online.

Speaker 11 Online, do you remember what site that was?

Speaker 29 P-O-F.

Speaker 11 You met him in 2014 on Plenty of Fish?

Speaker 37 Okay. And when you met him on Plenty of Fish, did did you guys meet up?

Speaker 29 Once he came to the house, we talked for about an hour and then he left.

Speaker 38 We talked a few times on the phone and then lost touch.

Speaker 3 According to Liz, she kept her dating profile active, which is where she met Tony DuPuiser Green in late 2018.

Speaker 11 And they began dating in just the months prior to this murder.

Speaker 16 They hit it off fast.

Speaker 15 They were out spending money, going to casinos.

Speaker 11 It wasn't long after they began dating that they started committing burglaries together and a lot of them.

Speaker 5 When you look at Liz's history, she is not a stranger to the criminal justice system. None of these folks really were.

Speaker 6 They enjoyed this Bonnie and Clyde lifestyle.

Speaker 11 They were loving it.

Speaker 25 They were eating it up.

Speaker 3 But Liz claims that not long into their relationship, she began to encounter a darker side to Tony.

Speaker 20 What kind of relationship did you and Tony have?

Speaker 33 In the beginning, it was good.

Speaker 3 And then how did it change?

Speaker 38 He started

Speaker 35 becoming pregnant.

Speaker 11 She implied that Tony was very controlling, that she was fearful of him. Tony has been described as having an explosive temper.

Speaker 6 One night, Tony was going through her dating websites and found a message from Travis to her.

Speaker 11 Who reached out to who a few months ago when you guys recently reconnected again?

Speaker 11 Travis reached out to you.

Speaker 19 What was his conversation with you?

Speaker 15 And that message upset Tony. So Tony comes up with the idea to rob Travis.

Speaker 15 And that idea consists of Liz distracting Travis.

Speaker 19 And while they're engaged inside, Tony is going to burglarize the residents.

Speaker 3 According to Liz, on March 17th, Tony told her to take him to Travis's house so they could execute the plan.

Speaker 20 Did you call Travis before you arrived?

Speaker 32 Text him, Facebook, anything? Just showed up?

Speaker 5 Did he talk about what he wanted you to do before you arrived?

Speaker 27 Yes.

Speaker 38 Just go to the house and get his attention.

Speaker 32 So, to let you come in the house and he asked to use the bathroom?

Speaker 17 What happened next?

Speaker 29 He came out of the bathroom and it wasn't even 36.

Speaker 29 I came out of the bathroom and he was on the front door.

Speaker 5 Did Travis open the door initially for him?

Speaker 25 He had started to open the door and he just pushed it shut

Speaker 2 and he locked it.

Speaker 38 And he said, who wasn't?

Speaker 29 I said, just open the door. And I think he stopped.

Speaker 10 What did Travis do now?

Speaker 38 He just stood there and just stared at me and I was just...

Speaker 21 I said, I just want to go.

Speaker 24 And I opened the door and I ran off the porch.

Speaker 38 I was standing in the driveway looking around, trying to see where he was.

Speaker 11 She was yelling for Tony, but she realized that he ran around to the back door because she could hear the yelling and screaming back there.

Speaker 12 And then she heard the single gunshot.

Speaker 11 She said she panicked and she wanted to leave, but she couldn't leave because Tony had the keys.

Speaker 11 When Tony finally emerges from Travis's residence, he's got what she described as these black boxes in his hands that he's carrying

Speaker 11 and he gets in the passenger seat and they drive off.

Speaker 21 What do you think would have happened if you had drove by Travis' house and said, I can't find the thing?

Speaker 21 Don't tell me that he had people watching me.

Speaker 11 She portrayed herself as the victim throughout this whole thing and portrayed Tony as the monster.

Speaker 3 When detectives press Liz about Tony's whereabouts, she says she doesn't know. But authorities are able to track down his relatives nearby.

Speaker 7 A detective showed up and he's like, hey, can I ask you a few questions? And I was like, yeah, of course, like, I have nothing to hide, you know.

Speaker 3 Tony's family is stunned to learn of his alleged involvement in Travis Sieber's murder.

Speaker 21 I was shocked and kind of

Speaker 7 bummed. I was like, how could he have done this?

Speaker 3 I didn't really know what to think.

Speaker 11 What we learned was that Tony had a dysfunctional upbringing. He had a difficult childhood.

Speaker 7 Tony and I, my brothers and sisters, I believe there's nine of us that I know of.

Speaker 11 He was spent most of his teenage years in and out of juvenile. When he became adult, he continued that trend.
He spent most of his adult life in prison.

Speaker 15 Tony was a very violent person. He has a long history of violent crimes.

Speaker 11 He was released released from prison just months before this murder.

Speaker 16 Tony gets out of prison and he meets Elizabeth Rogan.

Speaker 3 According to Tony's family, he and Liz shared a passionate connection.

Speaker 15 Tony was infatuated with Liz.

Speaker 16 This was his first real girlfriend and he was just seeing butterflies.

Speaker 7 If he knows you're loving him, he loves you. Like he's going to do anything it takes to protect you, to love you, to cherish you, no matter what it be.

Speaker 11 It wasn't long after they begin dating that Liz moved Tony into her house.

Speaker 3 After speaking with Tony's family, authorities finally track him down when he arrives at his home. He is taken into custody without incident.

Speaker 11 I brought Tony into an interview room.

Speaker 11 I read him his rights and I told him this was regarding the murder that occurred in Riderwood, expecting a significant response and a reaction from him, and is all he did was smile.

Speaker 11 He lawyered up, as they say.

Speaker 10 He was very confident and cocky.

Speaker 11 There's certainly a lot of more evidence that needs collected to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But at this point, I have established probable cause that he committed this crime.

Speaker 3 Authorities also arrest Liz Rogan. and charge her with Travis's murder.

Speaker 11 Liz claimed that she acted under duress because she did what Tony told her to because he had a gun. I later spoke with other people who are closely connected to both Liz

Speaker 11 and Tony and they advised that the relationship wasn't at all that way, that

Speaker 11 Liz could hold her own and that she oftentimes told Tony what to do. She's trying to be dismissive of her involvement and pin this all on Tony.

Speaker 3 When detectives search Liz's car, their suspicions are confirmed.

Speaker 6 When the search warrant served on Liz's car, a diary's located.

Speaker 11 Inside the front cover of that diary, she had written the new age Bonnie and Clyde riding together until the wills fall off and the homicide detectives pry us apart.

Speaker 15 Usually, you see remorse in situations like that, and Liz is glorifying it and making it romantic in her diary.

Speaker 3 Coming up, authorities face challenging questions as they prepare for their day in court.

Speaker 7 He told me that the man was on top of her and she was yelling, help, help.

Speaker 11 He painted this picture of unwelcome sexual behavior, then he came to the rescue.

Speaker 3 Detectives in Caledon County, Washington have arrested Liz Rogan and her boyfriend, Tony DuPuizer Green, for the murder of Travis Sieber.

Speaker 3 While the crime's true mastermind is still still unclear, authorities believe that Liz played a much larger role than she has claimed.

Speaker 11 She's dating a 26-year-old man who will do essentially whatever she asks of him.

Speaker 11 She's getting to live this wild, crazy lifestyle all on his dime, all on his crime, and she's just enjoying every minute of it.

Speaker 3 When detectives execute a search warrant on Liz and Tony's cell phone records, they find more evidence that links the couple couple to the January burglary Travis' girlfriend Kayen had told them about.

Speaker 11 And what this communication between Tony and Liz revealed on January 18th, two months to the day before the murder, was they went out there with a specific plan

Speaker 11 for Liz to go in and distract Travis while Tony burglarizes house.

Speaker 15 She's feeding Travis drinks, trying to get him to pass out,

Speaker 19 all the while texting Tony, telling Tony valuables here, telling him what there is to take.

Speaker 11 Eventually, Travis gets to the point where he is intoxicated.

Speaker 11 Tony's telling Liz there's not much here. Where am I supposed to look? I don't see any money, you know, not much for valuables.
And they decide to get out of there.

Speaker 18 And that was really the key discovery in the case, key evidence, because it told us a lot more about what was going on.

Speaker 18 And that was that two months later, they would return and Tony would murder Travis Siever.

Speaker 3 Working alongside the Centralia police, Cal lets detectives find evidence that bolsters their case against Tony.

Speaker 18 At the scene on an envelope there was a shoe tread impression. We had the lab analyze that and ultimately the lab found it belonged to a certain type of fooboo shoe.

Speaker 18 Detectives were able to get surveillance video that showed Tony wearing a FUBU shoe, which became very important.

Speaker 11 We found five instances before the murder in which we found Tony on video. In all five of those instances, he's wearing black midnight FUBU shoe.

Speaker 11 Also, Patrick Gish, the informant, and Liz told me that Tony wore black FUBU shoes up to the point of the murder

Speaker 11 and that he had not seen him wear those same shoes after the murder.

Speaker 3 While detectives are unable to recover the sneakers, the evidence is overwhelming.

Speaker 3 But as authorities prepare for trial, Tony makes a startling claim.

Speaker 11 I was interested in listening to Tony's phone calls from prison after this murder.

Speaker 11 And in those phone calls, he painted this picture of Travis having unwelcome sexual behavior towards Liz, and he came to the rescue.

Speaker 7 I had had a a visit with him in prison and Tony told me that he heard screaming. He went up to the window and had seen that the man was on top of her with his pants down and she was yelling help, help

Speaker 7 and he tried to get in the door and the guy had met him at the door with a gun and they wrestled around for a little bit and Tony ended up with the gun and shot him.

Speaker 11 There was no evidence whatsoever that Liz was ever attacked. by Travis that day.

Speaker 11 There was no evidence at all that there was an actual struggle, a physical struggle between Travis and Tony anywhere near the back door.

Speaker 11 What we do know is the back door was open,

Speaker 11 or I believe Tony just marched in, stuck the gun right in Travis' face,

Speaker 25 and pulled the trigger.

Speaker 15 I think Travis was killed because Tony was infatuated with Liz.

Speaker 15 I think there is a jealousy factor.

Speaker 5 It was a dysfunctional relationship from the get-go get-go

Speaker 5 that unfortunately ended up costing someone their life.

Speaker 5 And when you get into a relationship like that, very few things that are good come out of it.

Speaker 15 Liz and Tony's personalities, when you put those together and you factor in Tony's violent nature, and then you take Liz where she's very self-centered and romanticizes Tony's behavior, this was unfortunately the perfect combination for what we saw.

Speaker 3 Ultimately, Liz is given the opportunity to reduce her charges.

Speaker 18 There was an agreement reached with Liz through her attorney that she would agree to testify truthfully against Tony in his trial, and she would plead guilty ultimately to murder in the second degree and a 15-year sentence.

Speaker 3 With the prospect of Liz testifying against him, Tony also accepts a plea deal.

Speaker 18 We ended up making an offer to Tony to plead guilty to murder in the first degree and 45 years in prison.

Speaker 11 We're very fortunate that he received a 45-year sentence. I don't know that I've ever investigated a murderer who I felt was more likely to kill again than I feel about Tony.

Speaker 11 He's just a dangerous individual and he needs to be in prison.

Speaker 25 Liz is equally dangerous.

Speaker 11 I don't believe that she's sad that Travis' family is grieving. I believe that she's sad that she's sitting in prison.

Speaker 15 Throughout this investigation, Liz never grasped the concept of what she did.

Speaker 15 She glorified what they did, and she was the catalyst to what happened.

Speaker 22 She should have got more.

Speaker 13 She's the one that caused the ultimate outcome of this investigation. If it wasn't for her, this would have never happened.

Speaker 24 Now we don't have Travis, and the family grieved for years.

Speaker 13 Nothing will change that.

Speaker 23 The way to remember Travis was he was very caring, he had a big heart.

Speaker 13 He definitely loved his family, you know, and he's missed.

Speaker 3 Tony and Liz no longer communicate. He blames her for their unequal sentences.
Liz Rogan is scheduled for release in 2032. Tony DuPuiset Green is scheduled for release in 2061.

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