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When a beloved family member disappears, his last message leaves his loved ones on edge.

That was a Spanish word for death.

They took it to be a threat or that something bad had happened to him.

As detectives race to track him down, they uncover a tangled love triangle.

We found out that he may have been dating his brother's ex-girlfriend.

Detectives must determine if this is a love triangle gone bad or something much more dangerous.

She says, I believe that was cartel or gang related.

She said a van pulled up and four guys got out of the car and grabbed us.

The search for the truth will have investigators unearthing secrets buried deep.

We're digging and all of a sudden, whatever we hit, a a bad smell started coming up from the ground.

This is one of the most brutal acts of violence that I've seen in my career.

They calculated the entire thing.

He just slammed his hands on the table.

He's like, fine, I'll just tell you what happened.

May 2013, Chicago, Illinois.

It's an ordinary day at the Chicago Police Department when a frantic man rushes in.

A young man who was from Honduras by the name of Jose Reyes Ramos was reported missing by his brother, Jorge Ramos.

According to Jorge, he hasn't heard from his brother in four days.

On May 21st, in 2013,

he just fell off the face of the earth.

He lived with a cousin and some friends and didn't come home when he was expected to come home.

It was unusual behavior for him.

It was not in his character to just disappear and not be in communication with them.

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This is a family that are very concerned that something had happened to Jose Reyes.

They wanted to do everything in their power to make sure that he was found.

Jose's brother says when no one came forward, they decided to file an official report.

They were seriously concerned and they wanted help in finding him.

Officers have to ask if there's any way Jose just packed up and moved elsewhere.

But Jorge is doubtful.

Jorge fears something tragic may have happened, given his last communication with Jose on May 21st.

His brother got a text message from him that kind of disturbed him,

and it was the Spanish word for death.

That was the last time that anybody had contact with Jose.

At first, Jorge thought the text was sent as a joke, but now he's adamant his brother is in trouble.

For a text message with that word to appear was very suspect.

It just raises some additional red flags.

With no time to lose, officers push his family for details about the 29-year-old's life.

Was there any depression?

Did he have any

issues with anyone that might have

wanted to cause him any harm?

Any fights with the family?

The normal questions that we would ask when someone is reported missing.

Jose Reyes-Ramos was born in Honduras in 1984.

With his father out of the picture at a young age, Jose spent much of his childhood helping his mother care for his younger siblings.

Jose ra mi primo.

Pera y no che vamamos muy bien.

Se crio con mitío y con la mamá.

Jose rel hermano mayllor

de dos germanos y un hermana.

Una familia humilde, trabajadora.

When Jose wasn't in school, he was working to contribute to the household.

In 2008, at the age of 24, Jose moved in with his younger brother Jorge in Chicago and found work in construction.

Jorge tenía,

cuatro años aquí no estados unidos, el se sentíasolo yane laba tenara tenera uno es su hermano s aquí.

El sueno dello siem perfue que su mama vivira bien.

Por que cuando yo zagaro este payíz por ede yos aviantanta pobreza a que bien vivido.

His mother and his younger siblings relied on him and his brother, so they sent money home faithfully on time

to Honduras.

Jose learned the tricks of the construction trade with ease and ultimately was able to start his own business.

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While Jose kept most of his focus on work, Jorge's life was forever changed when he met single mother of two Daisy Gutierrez at a local laundromat.

Daisy was born here in the United States, but her family, her parents, immigrated here from Mexico.

The Chicago teen had dropped out of high school following the birth of her first child, but longed to continue her education.

She loved being a mom.

I think she just was struggling because she was very young and trying to find that balance.

I know she was living with her dad and her mom, so they helped her quite a bit.

From the moment Daisy and Jorge met, they were inseparable.

She seemed very friendly, very nice, and I think she really was searching for like a

family togetherness.

Soon, the happy couple learned they were expecting.

Jorge was happy to take on the role of a father figure and stepfather.

And when he learned that Daisy was pregnant, he was even more excited.

Jose was equally ecstatic to be an uncle and doted on Daisy and the kids.

Jose was supportive and trying to be helpful with the children as the uncle.

Despite the initial excitement, the reality of parenthood took a toll on Daisy and Jorge's relationship.

The young parents eventually called it quits, and Jose took on the role as intermediary to keep the peace.

Jose would help facilitate with Jorge and meeting the needs of the children or visiting the children.

With a new nephew in his life, a booming construction business, and plenty of money to send back home, Jose's future was bright.

Jose ra unombre muyo milde y trabajador.

Nosotrobenemo duna familia muy emprendedora que trabajamos duro para consegirno estrametas.

But Jose's rise to success crashes to a sudden halt when his brother receives a cryptic text on May 21st, 2013.

They, I believe, took it to be a threat or that something bad had happened to him.

When the missing persons report hits their desks, detectives immediately issue a bolo for the missing 29-year-old.

The missing persons detectives did a great job trying to find where he could be, work-related, family-related, checking the airports, the passports.

He had ties to Honduras, checking with family in Honduras.

Nobody heard from him.

Jose didn't have a car, so he would take public transportation.

So he left to go catch the bus to go somewhere, poor hip presumes, to go go to work.

And that's the last time that anyone had seen him.

When investigators obtained Jose's phone records on June 7th, 2013, it's clear that the Muerte text sent to his brother on May 21st was the last recorded activity on Jose's phone.

But that's not all they find.

The phone records showed that he was calling a phone number that belonged to someone he might have been

having some type of relationship with.

We found out that he may have been dating his brother's ex-girlfriend, Daisy Gutierrez.

She engaged in some flirtatious text messages and telephone calls with Jose.

After we seen that Jose had been contacting Daisy and vice versa,

we needed to speak to Daisy.

Coming up, family drama casts suspicion on Jose's own brother.

Maybe Jorge is making up this whole story about his brother missing.

And a shocking story turns the investigation on its head.

She said they threw us into the car and told us to be quiet.

July 2013.

Phone records have revealed that the last person that was in contact with missing person Jose Reyes-Ramos was his brother's ex-girlfriend, Daisy Gutierrez.

Obviously, I wanted to delve a little more into that.

So I went to go interview his brother, Jorge.

Jorge had indicated to me he has no relationship with his ex-girlfriend.

They broke up on bad terms, and he doesn't even communicate with her.

According to Jorge, in one of his last communications with Daisy directly, she made a shocking allegation.

His brother indicated to me that Jose is madly in love with Daisy and his brother and him were at odds about the fact that Jose wanted to date his ex-girlfriend and essentially become a surrogate father to Jorge's two children,

which I found extremely peculiar at the time.

Maybe Jorge is making up this whole story about his brother missing, and he indeed knows a little more as to why his brother's missing.

Detectives press Jorge for more details about his brother's disappearance, but his story remains the same.

Based on the information we had, his brother did not have anything to do with it.

His brother was very worried, very concerned about Jose, and he was very concerned that something had happened.

After exhausting every angle in Tejor, he is officially ruled out as a suspect.

Hoping Daisy might have some answers, investigators pull her address and notice another connection to Jose's cell phone data.

The cell tower location history showed that his phone was pinging off towers that that led right to the residence where Daisy Gutierrez lived on the night he went missing.

All our leads were leading to Daisy.

My next step is to see if I get a hold of Daisy to see if maybe she has seen Jose.

I arrived at Daisy's home and was met by Daisy's mother.

who indicated to me that she hasn't spoken to Daisy and is not exactly certain certain where Daisy went.

There were children in the home, and I asked, are those Daisy's children?

And she said, yes, those are Daisy's children.

She's equally as frustrated as I am in trying to find Daisy.

I told Daisy's mother that it's imperative that I speak to Daisy.

But over the next several weeks, no one reports hearing from Daisy or Jose.

Circulating theories among detectives.

So, you know, that's when it becomes frustrating.

At this point, I'm kind of stuck.

I don't know where Daisy is.

I was given some phone numbers, disconnected or not a good number.

I thought to myself that maybe she is with Jose and that maybe she's just protecting Jose from his family being upset with him.

Why, again, ask the mom, how do you live, you know, your daily life with your grandkids and not knowing the whereabouts of your daughter?

She informed me that she's going to try to do her best in locating Daisy and

I told her

I'll be back within a couple days to speak to her.

If she doesn't get back to me, I would periodically check in with her.

Then, on August 3rd, two months since Jose's disappearance, detectives receive a break that could clear up some confusion.

Suddenly, one day in the office, Daisy Gruteris called me.

She says, You know, I understand you're looking for me.

And I said, Well, yes, where are you?

You know, I'd like to speak to you in person.

She said, Well, I'm living in New Jersey now.

I decided to move out here with a boyfriend.

And I said, Well, who's this boyfriend?

And she said, Just a guy that I met online.

Daisy says her new boyfriend is 22-year-old Milton Miranda.

I asked her, well, what about Jose?

Do you happen to know where he's at?

And she said, I have no idea where Jose is.

According to Daisy, she traveled to New Jersey via bus to stay with her new boyfriend at the end of May.

Daisy Guterre stated that she hasn't seen Jose Reyes in several months and hasn't had contact with him.

But detectives know that Jose's cell phone pinged off a tower right next to Daisy's home on the night of his disappearance.

At this point, I obviously had the phone records, but I was not going to tip my hat.

And I really, really wanted to speak to her in person.

Before detectives hang up with Daisy, they ask if her boyfriend Milton was in Chicago around that time.

Daisy also told us that Milton Miranda was never in Chicago.

After answering detectives' questions, Daisy promises to come to the station when she's back in Chicago to visit her family.

While he waits, Detective Matias follows up on her story.

She claimed that she was traveling back and forth from

New Jersey to Chicago on a Greyhound bus in May of 2013.

When they had the bus records tracked down, there was a ticket purchased for Milton and for Daisy, in which Daisy said that Miranda was never in Chicago, so she was lying.

The tickets are dated just days after Jose's murder.

We needed to hear her side of it.

We were going to find out what happened.

On August 10th, investigators get the chance to confront Daisy.

I,

again, received a phone call from Daisy saying,

completely out of the blue, again, saying, hey, I'm in Chicago.

I'm able to

talk.

Finally, face to face with Daisy, detectives waste no time presenting her with phone records showing Jose near her house on May 21st, the night he went missing.

She said, okay, I'm going to tell you what happened.

And she goes, let's take a walk.

So we take a walk down the block, as bizarre as that may sound.

And suddenly her demeanor changed.

She changed from this bubbly person to kind of

this person that wanted to convince me of something.

According to Daisy, she had in fact seen Jose on May 21st.

She said that Jose was coming to bring things for the children.

Initially,

Daisy said, he came over in May to visit me.

He took the bus here and we decided to go for a walk.

And after we turned the corner, a van pulled up and four guys got out of the car and grabbed us and put hoods over us, threw us into the car and told us to be quiet and started beating up Jose.

A group of unknown men took her and Jose in a vehicle and then they took them to either the forest preserve or some wooded area on the southwest side of the city where Jose was killed.

She said that they dismembered the body while Daisy was there.

She said that they threw the body in plastic bags and got rid of it by a force.

She says, I believe that was cartel or gang-related, that they had it out for Jose for some unknown reason.

She had managed to escape and get away from these unknown men.

She indicated that she thinks they're part of the Zeta gang in Honduras, which is a pretty vicious gang that operates in Central America.

She said she was extremely afraid.

That's why she didn't mention anything to anyone.

It was a crazy story and it opened up a whole slew of other possibilities.

Coming up, detectives descend upon the alleged crime scene.

I'm going to try to verify as many of the facts as I possibly can.

They went out with a ton of detectives and the dogs.

And a new witness emerges with a shocking tale.

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They kill people.

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Less than three months after the disappearance of Jose Reyes Ramos, Daisy Gutierrez has just given Chicago detectives a harrowing tale of his abduction and subsequent death, suggesting it was gang-motivated.

Chicago has a gang problem and a crime problem.

I mean, that's no secret.

Obviously, I feel we have to ask, was he a gang member?

Did he get into a beef with anybody recently?

Though Daisy's story is compelling, detectives have their doubts.

I feel one of the most important things about being a police officer and a detective is always consider your source.

She's lied to us in the past.

I did think to myself, why would she make up such an elaborate story, you know,

because she must know that I'm going to try to verify as many of the facts as I possibly can.

As a start, detectives ask Daisy to take them to the forest preserve where she says Jose was killed.

They went out with a ton of detectives and the dogs,

and they didn't discover anything.

We weren't able to obtain any type of crime scene or anything that could corroborate that part that she was telling us of Jose Reyes being murdered.

Still, after working the case for several months, detectives know know they are more than likely working a homicide.

The fact that she put herself in the middle of something that might have ended violently for Jose, I thought that maybe,

you know, Jose

is gone.

Despite their worst fears, detectives work to obtain concrete evidence.

Finally, on October 4th, 2013, less than five months after Jose's disappearance, they get some answers.

Daisy reached out to law enforcement again.

She said that she was lying.

She knew what happened and she came forward that she was mad at Milton.

We were really surprised.

I brought her into an interview room.

She indicated to me that her and Jose

did have some type of romantic relationship,

but she had developed a romantic relationship with Milton Miranda.

She said that she really liked this guy, Milton, and she was kind of tired of Jose always pestering her.

And she would tell Milton that

Jose had been in communication with Daisy and had been texting with her and had a romantic interest.

Milton knew about Jose texting her and communicating with her, and Milton did not like this and wanted to do something about it.

At some point, she invites Milton to come to Chicago to visit her.

Milton and her get into a conversation about Jose, and Milton says, you're texting him, and that's disrespectful.

And she's like, I love you.

I don't care for him.

And she says, I'll prove it to you.

I'll call him over here.

And, you know, when he gets here, you could beat him up.

Daisy tells detectives that at Milton's request she invited Jose over to her parents' house on the night of May 21st.

She says that he arrives at the house and that she's in the bedroom with him

and Milton is hiding in the closet of the bedroom.

And she starts kind of taking her clothes off, you know, to entice Jose.

And the plan was that Milton's gonna pop out of the closet and beat him up.

Milton Miranda came through the door with a metal pipe and began to beat Jose Reyes.

According to Daisy, he used the metal object to initially bludgeon Jose, and then he used a knife from the kitchen to stab him, to slit his throat.

He stabs him and he falls to the bed and basically Milton stabs Jose to death.

Daisy said she was shocked and in disbelief.

She was saying she had no idea that he was going to be killed.

She tells the police that wasn't what she understood Milton was going to do, that she was surprised and that she was terrified at that point in time because she realized that, in fact, Milton was a dangerous person.

She's afraid if she doesn't cooperate with Milton, that something bad's going to happen to her.

Though detectives believe they are getting closer to the truth, they still sense Daisy is more culpable than she's letting on.

She's putting all of the blame or all of the responsibility and everything onto Milton.

Daisy says that she thought that he was just going to beat him up.

I don't believe that.

You know, you don't have a pipe and a knife ready just to beat somebody up.

When detectives confront Daisy with their suspicions, her confident demeanor begins to break down.

She felt the pressure from me, constantly disputing her stories that she was telling me.

She said, okay, yes.

You know, I knew that the only way to get him out of my life is to get rid of him.

So I knew that he was going to pop out of the closet and stab him.

She said Jose is laying on the bed and he's dead.

And the bed is completely saturated with blood.

And she's looking at him like, what are we going to do now?

And suddenly, she says that her father, mother, and brother arrive.

She says that her mom and her brother go into the parents' bedroom and stay there.

Daisy says she enlisted her father's help in a grisly task.

She says that she was just basically watching as Milton

cut the body into pieces.

Then her father kind of helped hold some of the pieces down.

She said that she helped bag some of the pieces as they were cut up.

I'm thinking to myself, okay, that first story of being kidnapped was crazy.

This story is, you know, 100 times crazier.

According to Daisy, Jose's burial site is close to home.

Her mother recently dug out a little garden in their backyard.

So they said, we'll just dig it out some more, put the garbage bags in there and then...

cover it up and then you know she could plant her flowers there.

So she said that's what they did.

Daisy tells detectives after burying the dismembered body, she and Milton tried to cover their tracks.

She claimed that they cleaned everything up.

They threw out the mattress because it was full of blood.

And then her and Milton decided the following day to take a Greyhound bus back to New Jersey.

But Daisy says her relationship with Milton was shaken by the crime.

Once Milton and Daisy got to New Jersey, Jersey, the relationship did not last long.

Milton, in fact, broke up with Daisy.

So she decided she was going to come back to Chicago and tell the police that Milton really did kill Jose.

I do believe she may have indicated that she wanted to turn Milton in and see Milton caught or arrested.

In reality, Daisy was equally interested in luring Jose over to the house, knowing full well that Milton's plan was in fact to kill Jose.

Once she talked about her involvement in this thing, she was under arrest.

Coming up, detectives finally locate Jose.

I see the stick coming up with a piece of black garbage bag and something in the ground that is rotting.

I mean, it was horrific.

October 4th, 2013.

Investigators descend upon the Gutierrez family home following a confession from Daisy that she and her boyfriend, 22-year-old Milton Miranda, brutally murdered Jose Reyes-Ramos and buried him in her parents' backyard.

I take a team of detectives with me.

I arrived at her home and I'm greeted by her mom.

I said, we're prepared to dig out the entire yard, but I'd like to see if she could direct me as to where this garden was.

Daisy Guterres' mother came outside and pointed to a garden area and we began to search and dig.

We're digging and all of a sudden, whatever we hit,

a bad smell started coming up from the ground

Instantaneously the smell of death, you know encompasses the backyard

and I see the stick coming up with a piece of black garbage bag and something in the ground that is rotting

I mean it was horrific.

I don't know how anybody can sit there and cut a human being into multiple pieces.

We sealed the entire home as far as

considered a crime scene, and we get some of the crime lab investigators in there so they could methodically go through the entire home and yard to gather anything that we feel may be of evidence.

Droplets of blood were located inside of the bedroom, on the blinds, I believe on the window frame inside of the bedroom, as well as in a vent, the grating of a vent in the area where the body was in fact dismembered.

We did take some other objects that we suspected might have been used in the mutilation, you know, tools and cutting instruments and etc.

Her mom denied knowing it was back there.

She indicated that she had no idea what occurred and she never saw anything.

The remains and recovered evidence from the house are transported to the crime lab for further analysis.

Of course, we weren't certain it was Jose until, you know, DNA results came back, but we presumed it was.

As they await confirmation, detectives arrest Daisy's father, 56-year-old Salvador Gutierrez, and bring him in for questioning.

Under pressure, Salvador admits to helping bury Jose's body.

He said that when he got back to the house, Daisy took him into the room and says, I got to show you something.

And he went to the room, and that's where Jose was laying face up on the bed.

I think the father was led to believe that the victim was harassing Daisy.

He claims that, you know, that Milton forced him to, you know, help him.

He said that Daisy told him that Miranda was in a gang, and this is what they do.

They kill people.

He was scared that something was going to happen to him or his family, so he went along with the whole thing.

He believed that he was helping his daughter stay out of trouble.

Salvador tells detectives after that he bought bus tickets for Milton and Daisy and told them to never come back.

She was kicked out after this crime had occurred and sent back to New Jersey with Milton.

The children stayed with her mother.

It appears Salvador is telling the truth, with perhaps one exception.

He's telling it just like a story, but I don't recall,

oh my god, you know what I mean?

This is disgusting.

You know, he said he was forced, but I don't know how much.

placing Salvador under arrest, investigators finally receive word from the medical examiner.

Police could be certain that this was, in fact, the remains of Jose.

As Jose's family grieves, detectives reach out to their counterparts in New Jersey, Milton's last known location.

He's a flight risk because he came from Honduras.

He was not here legally.

He's not in Chicago.

He's out of the state.

And obviously, there is a concern then that he could easily leave the country.

Luckily, New Jersey detectives are able to move in fast before Milton has a chance to flee.

At the time of his arrest, he was working in a bakery in this town in New Jersey.

I went down to go interview him.

He agreed to give me a statement.

He's got a kind of bit of a tough guy personality initially.

After some time of blatantly denying any involvement in anything, he just slammed his hands on the table.

He's like, fine, you know, I'll just tell you what happened.

He finally opened up and confessed to his involvement in the entire incident.

He had no remorse.

And in fact, in his interview, I believe that Milton bragged that he had been involved in a gang in Central America.

That's where he learned how to do this in terms of dismembering a body and disposing of a body.

Coming up, the three suspects scrambled to save themselves.

In exchange for that plea, she was going to have to testify against Milton.

And Jose's loved ones question if justice will ever be served.

It was another slap in the face by Daisy.

After a four-month-long investigation, three people now face charges for their roles in the murder of Jose Reyes-Ramos.

Milton Miranda was charged with first-degree murder and concealing a death related to a homicide.

Daisy Guterres was charged with first-degree murder and also concealing a death.

And Salvador Guterres, Daisy's father, was charged with concealing a death related to a homicide.

However, detectives still believe there is one person at the center of the case with a twisted motive.

Daisy was trying to mess around with Jose

because

she was trying to get back at Jose's brother.

She was trying to make him mad, and I guess that just wasn't enough for her.

Daisy's motive was two-part.

She wanted to profess and show her love to her new man, Milton Miranda.

And she felt that by luring Jose to the house and essentially having him killed, that that proves to Milton that

she loves him.

Also, she felt that she needed to get Jose out of the picture because he was never going to stop bothering her.

With her back against the wall, Daisy decides to plead guilty for her role in the crime to avoid trial.

She was allowed to plead guilty to dismembering a human body as opposed to the count of first-degree murder.

But in exchange for that plea, she was going to have to testify against Milton if Milton went to trial.

You have to make deals with some people if you're going to have them to testify against Milton and make the case stronger against the person that actually committed the murder.

In exchange for her cooperation, Daisy is sentenced to 16 years.

After Milton receives word that his ex is set to testify against him, he too pleads guilty.

Milton said that he essentially wanted to prove to Daisy he was going to take care of her and protect her and take care of anyone that gets in their way and show his love for her.

He pled guilty to first-degree murder and received 30 years in the Illinois Department of Corrections.

Unlike his daughter, Daisy's father, Salvador, takes his chances at trial.

Daisy's father's motive appeared to be: you know, I have to do do whatever I need to do to protect my daughter and to get rid of this evidence and to get rid of this guy who, according to Daisy, has been harassing her for a while.

He claims that he was threatened and that he only did this because he was in fear for his own life.

He had an opportunity.

multiple times to leave that house and go and say, hey, this guy killed somebody in my house and made me help bury the body.

And and he never did

he was in fact held responsible he was found guilty of dismembering a human body and he was sentenced to i believe 20 years in the illinois department of corrections

if anything her dad should have got the 16.

i mean i understand he is an accomplice but i don't think that this was his plan

As the case comes to a close, one tragic detail remains unsolved.

Who sent the Muerte text to Jorge on the day Jose was killed and why?

We don't know for sure whether it was another slap in the face by Daisy and Milton to Jose's brother or if it was

Jose

trying to say what just happened to him.

I am still under the belief that he did that before he passed away.

I never learned anything different.

Though Daisy, Salvador, and Milton were convicted and given prison time, those close to the case believe Daisy, in particular, dodged justice.

I think that she should have gotten the same sentence that Milton got personally.

She's responsible for this poor gentleman's death.

As for Daisy's third child, Jose's nephew, he now resides with his father, Jorge.

But the reunion is in a sea of grief over the loss of Jose.

Como es tio cariñoso,

como es muchacho dedicado a la familia ayyudara los sullos ha salira delante.

Ha siquiero que lo recordemos.

Como es muchacho que trabaja para ayudara los suyos.

Dejo algo vonito porque no tenía problemas, leblava todo mundo, todo los planes que teníamos entre familia yanos complernos porque a falta uno.

After serving eight years, Salvador Gutierrez was released on parole in February of 2021.

In June of 2021, Daisy Gutierrez was also released on parole after serving only eight years.

Milton Miranda continues to serve his 30-year sentence at the Lawrence Correctional Center in Illinois.

He is projected to be released in 2046 at the age of 55.

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