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Speaker 7 A 40-year-old mystery rattles a small Wyoming community.

Speaker 11 There's just a desperation to understand what happened to this woman and her two children.

Speaker 7 A cold case task force uncovers disturbing new clues within the family.

Speaker 12 We found human blood in the back deck of that station wagon.

Speaker 14 There could be a serial killer who's stalking people and killing people.

Speaker 7 But as authorities expose more deadly secrets, the body count continues to escalate.

Speaker 11 We had remains exhumed because we wanted to determine if in fact he had been poisoned.

Speaker 7 And the suspected killers behind it all leave everyone stunned.

Speaker 15 She said, you're gonna hear that I killed somebody.

Speaker 2 No, no, you're not telling the whole truth.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 17 They looked at killing people as a solution to a problem.

Speaker 11 These were two profoundly evil people who found one another. And together they held these incredibly dark, violent, sadistic secrets.

Speaker 7 For someone looking to disappear or get away from it all, you can't do much better than Fremont County, Wyoming.

Speaker 6 Fremont County is rural.

Speaker 13 People there can live the life they want to live without a lot of interference from the rest of the world.

Speaker 21 So it's a place where you can escape the prying eyes of your neighbors.

Speaker 7 In 1976, 37-year-old Alice Prunty moved to Fremont County in search of a fresh start. A mother of five, Alice had just left her third husband.

Speaker 6 Alice was an Illinois girl who grew up in a normal family.

Speaker 23 She was divorced, then widowed, then divorced.

Speaker 13 She moves in her trailer to Wyoming.

Speaker 15 I was the baby. I was a very spoiled baby.

Speaker 15 My mother supported me.

Speaker 15 My mom was an awesome mom.

Speaker 15 She loved music. Saturdays was house cleaning day, and she put Tammy Wynette and Tammy Tucker playing on the record player.

Speaker 7 Three failed marriages hadn't dampened Alice's determination to find lasting love.

Speaker 7 She finally found it in the summer of 1976 when she began dating her next-door neighbor, 32-year-old Gerald Ewden.

Speaker 16 One day, there was a knock on Gerald's door, and it was Alice.

Speaker 16 She wanted him to help her connect her trailer to the power.

Speaker 9 He was immediately smitten.

Speaker 22 She was, to him, the most beautiful woman he'd ever seen in the world.

Speaker 7 A maintenance worker at a local steel mine, Gerald was also coming off his third failed marriage.

Speaker 13 To Gerald, Alice was the whole package.

Speaker 4 She was independent, she was resourceful, she could support herself.

Speaker 15 He fell head over heels in love with my mom.

Speaker 7 Just five months after meeting, Gerald and Alice tied the knot, and the couple bought a farm in Pavilion, Wyoming.

Speaker 7 Mom milked cows.

Speaker 15 She had chickens.

Speaker 15 They had their own pigs.

Speaker 15 As their child, I never really wanted for anything.

Speaker 7 In the summer of 1980, Gerald received some unexpected news when his ex-wife Virginia Ewen and her two young sons, 11-year-old Richard and 10-year-old Reagan, moved to the same small town.

Speaker 11 They were not the biological children of Virginia and Gerald Ewin. They were her children from a previous marriage.
But Gerald had adopted the boys prior to the divorce.

Speaker 7 When Gerald learned the boys were moving with their mother to Lander, Wyoming, he was elated.

Speaker 21 Gerald took his father role very seriously, and he was a good father.

Speaker 22 When the boys would visit, they were one big family in Gerald and Alice's home.

Speaker 7 Sadly, the reunion would be short-lived.

Speaker 7 On September 13, 1980, two months after Virginia and her sons moved to Lander,

Speaker 7 her mother, Claire Martin, enters the Fremont County Sheriff's Office with disturbing news.

Speaker 12 She wanted to speak to an officer about a missing person's report, and at that time she started telling us about her daughter.

Speaker 29 Virginia was supposed to go meet Gerald Juden with the boys so that they could go bird hunting.

Speaker 7 But when Claire called Gerald to check in on her daughter and grandsons, he informed her that the trio never showed up to meet him.

Speaker 4 Virginia doesn't show up at the time that Claire expected her to, and Claire begins to worry.

Speaker 22 Gerald agreed to come help her look for them.

Speaker 17 And so Gerald and Claire went and drove her out looking for Virginia and the boys.

Speaker 24 They go around places in Riverton that Virginia might have been.

Speaker 18 They don't find her.

Speaker 7 Now that Virginia and her sons have been missing for nearly 24 hours, Claire is concerned that something bad has happened to her daughter and grandsons.

Speaker 11 Claire knew her daughter better than anyone, and she knew her daughter wouldn't have just up and left without saying a word or taking any money with her.

Speaker 12 She described the vehicle that they were in, which was actually Claire's vehicle, a Ford station wagon.

Speaker 29 An attempt to locate was put out with all other agencies, the police departments and things, to watch for the car that she was driving.

Speaker 7 Three weeks pass without a word from Virginia Uton or her sons.

Speaker 7 Then, on October 4th, authorities receive an ominous tip.

Speaker 20 A passerby reports to the sheriff's office that he saw a half-hidden station wagon on the edge of a very deep canyon in in the Wind River Mountains.

Speaker 7 The station wagon's tags identify it as belonging to Claire Martin, the same vehicle Virginia had been driving when she and her sons disappeared.

Speaker 12 We found that there was human blood in the back deck of that station wagon.

Speaker 14 The blood was a type A, which matched Virginia's blood type.

Speaker 14 And there was also some.22 caliber shells in the car.

Speaker 7 Fearful that Virginia and her sons had met foul play, authorities released their findings to the media and asked for the public's help in locating the missing mother and children.

Speaker 14 It was scary for us because Virginia Ewton actually was an employee of mine. And so we got to know Virginia and knew her two boys fairly well.

Speaker 6 People went all over and combed that mountain looking for bodies.

Speaker 7 With zero leads, authorities turn back to Virginia's mother, Claire Martin, to see if she can provide any additional insight into her daughter's life.

Speaker 7 That's when Claire offers a shocking theory.

Speaker 14 She was totally convinced that Gerald Ewin had killed her daughter and her two sons.

Speaker 7 Investigators pressed Claire for more information about Gerald's relationship with both Virginia and her sons.

Speaker 17 Virginia and the boys were, they were a tremendous source of tension in the relationship between Alice and Gerald. And part of that was because Virginia wanted more child support.

Speaker 11 Alice wrote really hateful things in correspondence with Virginia.

Speaker 11 She called Virginia brainless.

Speaker 11 You tricked my husband into marrying you.

Speaker 11 And everyone knows you didn't love him. You only did it for the money.

Speaker 11 There was a lot of hatred between Alice and Virginia. And really, it was not any kind of a fight over Gerald.
It was really over money.

Speaker 7 On November 14th, 1980, nearly two months after Virginia and her sons went missing, investigators request to speak with Gerald and Alice Ewden.

Speaker 12 We talked to Alice individually. Alice was kind of a basket case at that time.
She was crying and emotional and really couldn't answer much.

Speaker 7 Gerald, however, visibly resents Claire's accusations.

Speaker 12 He became very physically upset, was shaking, and couldn't hold a cup of coffee.

Speaker 29 You could see the carotid artery in his neck pulsating, and Larry said that he's covering up something.

Speaker 12 I knew right away we had our guy, and that he had something to do with it, with the missing people. We just didn't know what.

Speaker 7 Without warning, Gerald abruptly ends the interview. But not before leaving investigators with one final and disturbing thought.

Speaker 18 He said that, you know, even if there was a crime, that we couldn't prove it because there was no body.

Speaker 7 Coming up, the case is sent spiraling in a new direction when an informant comes forward with a shocking allegation.

Speaker 2 We're ready

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Speaker 7 More than five months after the mysterious disappearances of Virginia Ewin and her two sons, Richard and Reagan, investigators with the Fremont County Sheriff's Office have received information from Virginia's mother, Claire Martin.

Speaker 7 who believes Virginia and her sons were murdered by her ex-husband, Gerald Udin.

Speaker 11 Claire Martin felt in her bones that Gerald Udin played a role in the disappearance. I believe that she knew

Speaker 11 deep in her heart that they had been killed.

Speaker 7 Despite their suspicions, investigators are unable to find any evidence connecting Gerald or his wife, Alice, to the disappearances.

Speaker 14 There's absolutely no evidence, and their hands were tight.

Speaker 7 Years pass without any new leads.

Speaker 12 Claire was doing everything in her power to find her family. We all suspected the same thing.

Speaker 18 At that point, we didn't have it, as far as the law requires.

Speaker 7 In 1982, citing police pressure and suspicion from their neighbors, Alice and Gerald suddenly sell their Wyoming farm and move 1,100 miles to Chadwick, Missouri.

Speaker 15 Honestly, when we moved to Missouri, I don't think I understood all of it.

Speaker 15 I was eight years old.

Speaker 7 For 12 more years, nothing new materializes in the investigation.

Speaker 11 If you understand what's happening in that community at that time, there's just a desperation to understand

Speaker 11 what happened to this woman and her two children.

Speaker 7 Then, in 1994, 14 years after Virginia and her boys went missing, the case takes a sudden and unexpected turn when an informant comes forward with a bombshell allegation.

Speaker 7 The informant is Alice Udin's oldest son, Todd Scott. And he tells police that his mother had once confessed to being involved in a murder.

Speaker 7 But to everyone's surprise, it's not the murder of Virginia or her sons.

Speaker 11 Todd Scott, who was one of the children of Alice Houdin, knew his mother had killed her husband Ronald Holtz. And he knew that because she told him that she did.

Speaker 7 Investigators learned that Ron Holtz, a Vietnam War veteran, had been Alice's third husband.

Speaker 7 The two two had met and married in 1974 after a whirlwind romance that began in a psychiatric hospital.

Speaker 17 She'd been his psych nurse. She was sympathetic to the trauma that he suffered in Vietnam.

Speaker 6 And,

Speaker 31 you know, she thought she could, you know, save him or whatever.

Speaker 15 I believe I was two or so when she married Ron.

Speaker 7 According to Todd, Alice and Ron's marriage was tumultuous from the start.

Speaker 18 Ron had abused Alice.

Speaker 31 Ron had a very volatile history.

Speaker 7 Todd explains that Alice had initially told everyone she had kicked Ron out when she filed for divorce in December of 1974.

Speaker 7 Ron had never contested the divorce. In fact, no one had ever seen or heard from Ron Holtz again.

Speaker 31 Disappearing was completely in keeping with his character. That was the reputation he had.

Speaker 7 But years later, Alice had told her son a very different story about what really happened to his former stepfather.

Speaker 11 One night he was about 14 or 15, his mom had been drinking and she was feeling a little bit emotional. and she told him that

Speaker 11 years earlier when she'd been married to Ron he'd been very abusive and she was afraid of him and so one night when he was sleeping she got her 22

Speaker 11 and she shot him in the back of the head while he was in bed

Speaker 11 she had taken his body out of the trailer, put him in a barrel, and thrown him down the abandoned gold mine in the Remount Ranch.

Speaker 21 His mother had told him that Ron had been abusive and deserved what he got.

Speaker 11 Todd, for a very, very long time, carried what had to be an enormous burden, and he just eventually

Speaker 11 had to get this off of his shoulders.

Speaker 7 Investigators dig into Todd's claim and discover that there's no paper trail for Ron Holtz since the winter of 1974, when Alice had told her family she'd left Ron.

Speaker 23 His Social Security, for instance, had had no activity.

Speaker 21 A man who had been in and out of mental hospitals for years had no more medical reports.

Speaker 6 They were pretty convinced that Ron Holtz probably was no longer alive.

Speaker 7 Investigators theorize that if Alice had killed her third husband, it increased the likelihood that she and potentially Gerald were responsible for what happened to Virginia and her sons.

Speaker 7 They widened the scope of their investigation to focus on finding the remains of Ron Holtz.

Speaker 7 Coordinating with police in Cheyenne, Wyoming, detectives launched a search of Remount Ranch.

Speaker 11 Everybody knew that abandoned mineshaft was there, and commonly when there would be an animal that would die on the ranch, they would dispose of the remains down the mine shaft.

Speaker 6 At one time the hole had been 90 feet deep, maybe a dozen feet across.

Speaker 19 The surrounding dirt and rocks were unstable.

Speaker 9 Sending anybody down there would be difficult.

Speaker 7 Without the proper resources, investigators must call off the search.

Speaker 7 And just like the unsolved investigation into what happened to Virginia Udin and her sons, the search for Ron Holtz hits a brick wall.

Speaker 29 We had nothing else to go on.

Speaker 29 No new information. No bodies were discovered.
So it became a cold case. It was very frustrating.
It was always

Speaker 7 on our minds.

Speaker 7 11 more years pass with no leads for either case.

Speaker 7 Then, in 2005, both Virginia Udin and Ron Holtz's unsolved cases receive renewed interest.

Speaker 9 It's several years later when a Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation investigator begins to look through the cold case files.

Speaker 17 At the time, I was a special agent for the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation. My role in this case is one of the investigators.

Speaker 7 The Cold Case team decides to focus their efforts on Alice Ewden.

Speaker 17 We're going to interview her, have a conversation, and find out what happened if she would give us more insight into the murder of Ron Holtz.

Speaker 7 On January 18th, 2005, Detectives with the Cold Case Task Force make the surprise visit to Gerald and Alice's home in Chadwick, Missouri.

Speaker 19 Gerald had become a trucker and at the time Gerald is on the road on a trucking assignment.

Speaker 6 When they knock on the front door, Alice answers.

Speaker 9 Alice is a kind of grandmotherly type at that point.

Speaker 23 They ask her if she'll answer a few questions, which she does.

Speaker 20 Alice seems to think nothing about it.

Speaker 9 She even invites him inside.

Speaker 20 They bring up her past relationships and she goes down the list of husbands that

Speaker 27 she'd had, but she conveniently leaves out Ron Holtz.

Speaker 7 When Alice neglects to mention Ron, the detectives ask her directly about her third husband, and her reaction is telling.

Speaker 33 When confronted with the name Ron Holtz, she falls out of her chair, half fainting.

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Speaker 7 Cold case agents with the Wyoming Department of Criminal Investigations have just caught Alice Udin off guard after confronting her about the disappearance of her third husband, Ron Holtz, more than 30 years earlier.

Speaker 24 When they bring up the story that she had supposedly told her son about shooting a guy named Ron, She defended herself as saying, oh no, that didn't happen.

Speaker 9 I just made it up as a kind of cautionary tale.

Speaker 24 Alice claims that Ron was abusive and that she kicked him to the curb and divorced and moved on.

Speaker 7 With no physical evidence to prove Alice wrong, investigators end their interview.

Speaker 7 DCI agents next speak with Alice's youngest daughter, Erica Hayes.

Speaker 7 When they ask her about the claims surrounding her former stepfather's death, Erica admits that her mother had recently contacted her.

Speaker 15 My mom found out that my brother, Todd, had told on her.

Speaker 15 She said, You're going to hear that I killed somebody.

Speaker 15 And I went, Did you?

Speaker 15 And she said, Yes, I did

Speaker 15 because I was protecting you.

Speaker 7 Investigators also ask Erica if she knows what happened to Gerald's third ex-wife, Virginia Euden, and her two sons, Richard and Reagan.

Speaker 7 Erica tells agents she doesn't know, but she has a theory on who is responsible for their disappearances.

Speaker 9 She suspected Gerald was involved with the disappearance of Virginia and the boys,

Speaker 32 but she didn't believe her mother was involved.

Speaker 7 Investigators press Erica to explain her theory, and her response is unsettling.

Speaker 11 Erica Hayes is talking to her parents, and Gerald makes an offhand statement, you gotta have some pigs to get rid of the body.

Speaker 11 And for the uninitiated who haven't spent a a lot of time around pigs, they eat just about everything.

Speaker 7 Erica says at the time, she brushed off Gerald's comments as some kind of twisted joke. But she now fears that Virginia and her sons may have suffered a similar fate.

Speaker 11 At the time that Virginia and the boys went missing in 1980,

Speaker 11 Alice and Gerald Euden had property where their home was, and they also had some pigs.

Speaker 7 Armed with this new theory, agents head back to the Udin's old farm in Wyoming.

Speaker 12 We did a search warrant on Gerald's house.

Speaker 38 We basically excavated and screened about 200 square meters of that hog pen looking for human remains.

Speaker 12 We turned the place upside down. We didn't come up with any evidence.

Speaker 7 Once again, the investigation appears to be at a standstill.

Speaker 7 Eight years pass without any new leads or developments. Then, on April 4th, 2013, Virginia's mother, Claire, passes away.

Speaker 22 Claire Martin died at the age of 92, never finding justice for her daughter and grandsons.

Speaker 11 I know that Claire Martin never rested.

Speaker 11 She always was wanting the answers behind what happened to Virginia and Richard and Reagan.

Speaker 17 Everybody wanted her to have that closure so she could go to her final resting place knowing this was over. And unfortunately, she didn't get that.

Speaker 7 For several of the Wyoming DCI agents working on Virginia's cold case, Claire's death strengthens their resolve to solve the two-decade-old investigation.

Speaker 7 Miraculously, they get a new break just a few months later.

Speaker 27 A bigger team returns to the Remount Ranch and to that abandoned gold mine.

Speaker 7 After a day and a half of searching, the crew finds what they've been looking for.

Speaker 26 They find

Speaker 21 the pieces of a barrel

Speaker 33 and inside that they find a human skeleton

Speaker 21 And in the back of the skull of this skeleton was a neat little bullet hole, probably caused by a.22-caliber gun.

Speaker 7 The discovery matches the story that Alice's children had told police.

Speaker 7 To verify whether the bones belonged to Ron Holt, agents are able to track down Ron's biological daughter from his first marriage.

Speaker 13 They find her in Alaska and they dispatch a state trooper to draw her DNA to compare to Ron Holtz's and it's a match.

Speaker 7 The discovery of Ron's remains are enough for police to arrest Alice Ewden for his murder on September 26, 2013.

Speaker 29 They got a warrant, went to Missouri and arrested her while Gerald was out. He was a long-haul trucker.

Speaker 7 Once in custody, the 74-year-old denies any role in the murder.

Speaker 17 She claimed she didn't even know who Ron Holtz was, and we knew that that was a lie.

Speaker 11 It was at about that time that Agent Tina Tremble from the Division of Criminal Investigation pulled out a photograph of a skull,

Speaker 11 Ronald Holtz's,

Speaker 11 and showed it to Alice.

Speaker 2 You know who that is?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 This is Ronald's, is it?

Speaker 2 We're here today

Speaker 2 to give you

Speaker 2 a chance.

Speaker 2 We know where he is because we have him now.

Speaker 7 The evidence convinces Alice to finally admit the truth.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was threatening to kill Erica because she probably takes his little girl. Taffy was screaming, and he ran.

Speaker 2 He said he was going to kill her, and I put my 22 rifle and

Speaker 2 shot him in the back of the head.

Speaker 34 What happened then?

Speaker 2 How did he get into that hole? I put him there.

Speaker 2 Got him into a barrel and mold him to my car to the back door and put him in the trunk and took him up to the mine and put him in there.

Speaker 2 You want to take me to jail? Yes I am.

Speaker 2 Here's what I'm asking. If we can go to the prosecutor and tell them that you told the whole truth, because I know you're not telling the whole truth.
Okay?

Speaker 2 I know that they're looking to figure out what happened to Virginia and those boys. Yes.

Speaker 2 So what about Virginia and the boys? I've told you everything I know about them.

Speaker 2 What has Gerald told you about it?

Speaker 2 Nothing.

Speaker 30 Alice was charged with one count of first-degree murder for killing Ron Holtz.

Speaker 17 We were hoping that that arrest would have enough of an impact that maybe Gerald would want to talk about Virginia and Richard and Reagan.

Speaker 17 We were given the opportunity to give Gerald a phone call. And in this phone call, we told Gerald, essentially,

Speaker 17 that Alice had been arrested for the things that happened in Wyoming. We didn't tell him what.

Speaker 17 He agreed to drive back to meet with us. And it was our hope as investigators that he would use that drive to let his mind wander.

Speaker 17 And we were hoping he would allow himself to give the truth. Gerald wanted to talk to us.

Speaker 17 He literally started his conversation off with telling us that he doesn't know why we arrested Alice, because we arrested the wrong person.

Speaker 7 Coming up, after three decades, investigators finally uncover what really happened to Virginia Udin and her sons.

Speaker 21 That fast, it was 10 seconds, and they were gone.

Speaker 7 And newfound evidence suggests the body count may continue to rise.

Speaker 11 We had his remains exhumed because we wanted to determine if in fact he had been poisoned.

Speaker 7 Wyoming DCI agents have arrested Alice Udin for the 39-year-old murder of her third husband, Ron Holtz, after finding his remains at the bottom of an abandoned gold mine

Speaker 7 both Alice and her husband Gerald remain suspects in the unsolved disappearances of Gerald's ex-wife Virginia Ewton and her two sons

Speaker 35 at the time Alice is arrested Gerald is on the road on a trucking assignment When Gerald finally arrives home, agents meet him.

Speaker 9 They tell him Alice has been arrested and they'd like to talk to him a little bit more about what he knows.

Speaker 17 I don't know how she could know anything about it really because

Speaker 7 she had nothing really to do with it.

Speaker 39 For 33 years I have said no I never did nothing but Now that you guys are here, I've got to assume that you must have either found some bodies or you've done something else.

Speaker 39 And I got to tell you, if you found bodies, that's a miracle.

Speaker 29 He apparently thought she'd been arrested for Virginia and the boys, and he said, well, she didn't do it.

Speaker 40 I did it.

Speaker 6 They were startled. They were

Speaker 13 incredulous.

Speaker 21 but they kept their cool and let Gerald talk.

Speaker 17 And he proceeded to paint a picture of what he perceived Virginia to be like.

Speaker 17 He felt that Virginia was after him strictly to get child support.

Speaker 7 Gerald claims that Alice had been particularly upset that he had to pay child support to Virginia, even though he had adopted both boys prior to their divorce.

Speaker 12 Alice was raising a little havoc about that because why should we be paying child support for these two boys and they're not yours? And you need to do something about it and take care of it.

Speaker 39 I was paying her $150 a month.

Speaker 7 I'm trying to juggle two women and it ain't flying.

Speaker 33 No.

Speaker 39 And so finally, it just went off. And I said, I've had it.
I'm going to solve this problem.

Speaker 17 And so I did.

Speaker 7 Gerald tells police that on September 12th, 1980, he lured Virginia to meet him under the premise of taking her sons Richard and Reagan dove hunting.

Speaker 13 Gerald says Virginia and the boys come to the meeting a little before 2 o'clock on the 12th, and the boys are excited to see him, and he jumps in the passenger seat and directs Virginia to just drive up this dirt road to a point that he knows where they can safely shoot the gun.

Speaker 9 She drives to that place and they stop. The kids get out.

Speaker 40 Virginia was there.

Speaker 39 The gun was there. I was there.

Speaker 40 And I shot her right square in the back of the head and she went down.

Speaker 40 Richard was standing behind the station wagon. And I whirled and I shot him in the back of the head.

Speaker 17 At this point, Reagan realized things were going south quickly and took off running.

Speaker 40 We took and he fell into the ditch and I walked over to him and I shot him down.

Speaker 39 And they were all three dead.

Speaker 34 That fast.

Speaker 18 It was 10 seconds and they were gone.

Speaker 12 He said he put them in steel drums like an oil drum. He poked holes in the drum.

Speaker 12 He took them and put them in a boat and went out onto Fremont Lake, which is a natural, deep, clearwater lake and submerged the barrels in that lake.

Speaker 29 It was just a travesty that Virginia and the boys were killed.

Speaker 12 It's sad. because we've got two little boys that never got to get married or get a job or raise a family of their own.

Speaker 7 Gerald says he later disposed of the gun and tried to make Claire's station wagon disappear.

Speaker 39 I tried to roll it over the damn cliff, and you think it would go over the cliff?

Speaker 17 Not so much.

Speaker 39 Not so much.

Speaker 39 I didn't get any pleasure out of doing it. None.

Speaker 39 But it did stop the child support, and that was going to come to about $16,000.

Speaker 23 The agents asked Gerald if Alice played any role in this, and he denied that she did.

Speaker 11 Nowhere in that statement does he ever acknowledge the wrongfulness of murdering Virginia

Speaker 11 or Richard or Reagan.

Speaker 29 He didn't show any remorse,

Speaker 29 nothing like that. He just kind of a matter-of-fact, nonchalant.
I did this, did this, did it.

Speaker 24 When he was done, they arrested him and took him to jail.

Speaker 27 33 years after Gerald killed Virginia and the boys on that roadside, he was charged with three counts of first-degree murder.

Speaker 15 The day that I

Speaker 15 truly realized that yes, he had committed these murders

Speaker 15 was the day of his arrest.

Speaker 7 On November 1st, 2013, 71-year-old Gerald Udin agrees to plead guilty to the murders of Virginia and her sons.

Speaker 27 The judge accepted Gerald's plea deal, and he was sentenced to three life sentences.

Speaker 7 Alice, however, decides to try her fate at trial. But before court proceedings begin, a tip comes in to suggest Ron Holtz may not have been the first husband that Alice had killed.

Speaker 15 There's a belief that my dad was her first victim.

Speaker 7 After nearly 40 years of eluding authorities, Justice has finally caught up with accused killers Alice and Gerald Udin.

Speaker 7 For the murders of his ex-wife, Virginia, and two adopted sons, Richard and Reagan, 72-year-old Gerald has been given three life sentences.

Speaker 7 75-year-old Alice is still awaiting trial for the murder of her ex-husband, Ron Holtz.

Speaker 7 But before court proceedings begin, police receive a tip that suggests Ron Holtz may not have been Alice's first victim.

Speaker 22 Alice's second husband, named Don Prunty, died at age 45 from a whole array of illnesses that stemmed from his alcoholism.

Speaker 15 I know that my dad was an alcoholic

Speaker 15 and death certificate says alcoholism. They had no reason to do an autopsy.
There is a belief, however, that my mom poisoned my dad.

Speaker 15 There's a belief that my dad was her first victim.

Speaker 7 Following up on the tip, police re-examined Don Prunty's medical records from the months leading up to his death in 1973.

Speaker 19 Alice had remarked she was giving Don something that would stop his drinking.

Speaker 33 The symptoms that were described in Prunty's medical records were consistent with poisoning, specifically by antifreeze.

Speaker 11 We had Mr. Prunty's remains exhumed.

Speaker 11 Unfortunately, he'd been embalmed, and so we weren't able to extract anything from his remains that would have helped us determine if, in fact, our hypothesis was correct and that Alice had been poisoning him.

Speaker 7 Though Don Prunty's cause of death remains unclear,

Speaker 7 Alice's trial for the 1974 murder of Ron Holtz gets underway in May of 2014.

Speaker 11 Using the testimony of Todd Scott, we were able to also establish our theory of the case, which was Ronald Holtz was laying in bed sleeping when he was shot in the back of the head with a.22 rifle by his wife Alice.

Speaker 7 The defense counters by saying Alice acted in defense of herself and her daughter.

Speaker 24 This was Wyoming in the 1970s.

Speaker 35 There was no 911.

Speaker 13 Women didn't have shelters.

Speaker 23 So she took matters into her own hands, she said.

Speaker 7 On May 8th, 2014, the jury retires to deliberate. It takes them 13 hours to reach a verdict.

Speaker 11 In the end, the jury acquitted Mrs. Yudin of first-degree murder, but they did convict her of second-degree.

Speaker 21 They believed

Speaker 17 that she shot him

Speaker 22 and

Speaker 31 the jury didn't believe it was premeditated.

Speaker 7 Alice is sentenced to life in prison. Five years later, she dies in prison at the age of 80.

Speaker 15 Her death was welcomed.

Speaker 15 I hated seeing her imprisoned.

Speaker 15 I did.

Speaker 15 No matter what she did, I loved her.

Speaker 15 I loved her so much.

Speaker 7 But just two days after Alice passes away, Gerald recants his confession to killing Virginia and her sons.

Speaker 17 When Alice died, he used that as an opportunity to capitalize on now that she's gone, I can put everything on her.

Speaker 15 I talked to him on the phone and I told him, I said, I know what you did.

Speaker 23 So just stop.

Speaker 15 Stop, because I will not have you

Speaker 15 putting all this on her.

Speaker 15 Have some respect for your dead wife.

Speaker 7 In September 2019, the court rejects Gerald's attempt to withdraw his guilty plea.

Speaker 14 His hands are absolutely not clean.

Speaker 6 I mean, he was,

Speaker 14 I totally believe that he killed Virginia

Speaker 14 and the two boys and was every bit in on every bit of it as much as she was.

Speaker 17 I genuinely looked at Alice as

Speaker 17 a person in our society who looked at killing people as a solution to a problem.

Speaker 17 I think with Gerald and with Alice, we have a perfect storm of a sociopath and a narcissistic person.

Speaker 11 I think the relationship between Alice and Gerald was unique in that these were two profoundly evil people

Speaker 11 who found one another.

Speaker 10 Gerald Udin is housed at the Wyoming Medium Correctional Institution in Torrington. He is 82 years old.

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