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Speaker 3 When shots ring out in rural New Jersey, a beloved father is left for dead.

Speaker 8 There was bullet holes under his arms,

Speaker 9 bloodstained on his shirt.

Speaker 10 The Ford Explorer had been stolen from the backyard after the shooting.

Speaker 3 Now, investigators must determine if this is a random act of violence or something much more sinister.

Speaker 9 The area is beautiful. You would not anticipate a carjacking.

Speaker 10 The circumstances were very strange to say the least.

Speaker 11 They were having this affair.

Speaker 12 I had told her I was married. She kept telling me how madly in love she was with me.

Speaker 3 A woman willing to do anything to get her way.

Speaker 13 This woman was going to have everybody killed.

Speaker 14 You got to be kidding me.

Speaker 10 He felt if he followed along that he would win her back.

Speaker 12 They told me that basically I have have a gun and I know somebody that's going to take care of it.

Speaker 15 He was extremely concerned about having to wear a wire.

Speaker 10 She kept questioning: why won't you come over here?

Speaker 13 When you're in love with somebody that much, there's no telling what you'll do for somebody.

Speaker 3 April 16th, 2000. It's 9 p.m.
in Hamilton Township, New Jersey, when a homeowner calls 911 to report a possible shooting.

Speaker 3 Seasoned officers Marcello Simone and Rich DiStephani arrive within minutes.

Speaker 17 It was starting to rain on our arrival.

Speaker 7 It was a dark night.

Speaker 9 It was difficult to see.

Speaker 18 This location was very rural.

Speaker 13 It's a quiet street with just a few houses and a lot of wooded area.

Speaker 3 Since it's a small township, officers notice a few familiar faces.

Speaker 9 I recognized one of the females as Susan Gigliotti and an older woman, Susan's mother, Ruth Jones.

Speaker 20 This was Susan Gigliotti's mother's house, and it was her family who was there, and they were the ones who called in 911.

Speaker 18 Susan told me that her estranged husband Joe was there to drop off the children.

Speaker 10 Joseph Gigliotti's girlfriend Sue McChesney was present also.

Speaker 10 She arrived with Joe at the house with the children. Sue requested to use a bathroom and went inside the house with Joseph Gigliotti.

Speaker 3 That's when Susan says she asked Joe for a favor.

Speaker 18 Susan asked her estranged husband, Joe, to check the transmission on her Ford Explorer behind the house toward the garage.

Speaker 9 Susan had then said while she was inside with her mother, Ruth, they heard the shots.

Speaker 9 The bathroom was at the rear of the residence. And Sue, the girlfriend, had said that while she was using the restroom, she'd also heard the shots.

Speaker 11 Shortly after, they heard the Explorer go peeling peeling backwards out of the driveway.

Speaker 3 Susan Gigliotti tells police she immediately went out back to look for Joe.

Speaker 10 Susan Gigliotti called Joe's name and couldn't find him. It was dark and it was raining and it would have been hard to see in those conditions.
So she came back in the house.

Speaker 18 Because they heard what sounded like gunshots. They called the police for shots fired.

Speaker 10 The general reaction from everyone that was in the house was surprise and shock.

Speaker 3 As police begin to inspect the property, Officer Simone makes a gruesome discovery.

Speaker 18 As I was going, I saw a body laying on the ground.

Speaker 18 I approached the body and

Speaker 18 I recognized it was Joe.

Speaker 9 The area that we patrol, you get to know your resident. I knew Joseph Gigliotti, when he was always cordial and say hi and you'd say hello back.

Speaker 9 There was bullet holes under his arms, blood stained on his shirt. It was determined that at that moment Joe was deceased.

Speaker 18 We had a crime scene and we had to secure it. It was scary.
We didn't know if there was somebody still around.

Speaker 18 We knew that at least one person had left with a Ford Explorer.

Speaker 9 We do know now what the shots were for. Joe Gigliati was dead.

Speaker 9 We didn't know where the vehicle was. Getting to know the victim is what we needed to do.

Speaker 3 Born in December 1967, Joe Gigliotti was a New Jersey native. The eldest of eight children, he took on the role of caretaker at a young age, a trait that became a defining quality.

Speaker 3 I think being an older brother is probably what gave him his sense of responsibility. Joseph was a social butterfly.
He would talk to anybody about anything.

Speaker 3 At 16, Joe's charisma attracted the interest of a classmate, Susan Jones. And like Joe, Susan was compassionate and well-liked.

Speaker 6 They went together through part of high school and then got married not long after.

Speaker 3 The high school sweethearts tied the knot in June 1986. Within a year, the young couple welcomed a baby boy.
In 1997, a second son followed.

Speaker 3 Joseph was really great with his kids. He helped them pursue their dreams.
They were the sunshine of his life.

Speaker 3 The young couple worked hard to make ends meet.

Speaker 3 I met Susan through our job driving a school bus. It was Atlanta County Special Services.
It was for special needs kids. Kids in wheelchairs, kids with autism.

Speaker 3 She cared for the kids a lot.

Speaker 22 Joe worked for a company that removed asbestos, and he wanted to get out of that just for health reasons and just get into something a little safer.

Speaker 3 In the late 90s, Joe enrolled in accounting classes at Stockton University in Galloway Township, New Jersey.

Speaker 16 Joe, he was a great student.

Speaker 22 He was doing this basically for his kids so they'd be financially better off.

Speaker 3 But eventually, Joe's efforts to build a better life for his kids took a toll on his marriage.

Speaker 3 When he started going to school, it left more for her to do.

Speaker 3 And I don't think she

Speaker 3 really wanted to do that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 In early 1998, Joe moved out, but Susan didn't officially file for divorce until September of 1999.

Speaker 3 Their breakup was not good. He was just so devastated.
and didn't know what to do with himself.

Speaker 10 Part of that agreement that they were working on included their custody sharing.

Speaker 3 The boys lived with Susan after the split, but Joe remained an active part of their lives. He loved his boys.

Speaker 3 They were with him a lot, like on the weekends and on his days off, they were out with him.

Speaker 3 It wasn't long before Joe found love again with one of his classmates in school.

Speaker 3 We just spent a lot of time together studying and you spend that much time together with somebody that has similar goals, similar dreams, and it just we just connected.

Speaker 3 Joe wasn't the only one who moved on. Susan attracted the attention of 36-year-old Richard DeBow.

Speaker 3 Rich got hired as an aide on the bus. We had aides to help us with the wheelchairs and to help take care of the kids on the bus.

Speaker 23 My uncle Rich was head over heels for Susan. My uncle was always either staying at her house or they were communicating on the phone.

Speaker 3 However, friends say Susan wasn't ready to settle down. She broke it off with Rich after a couple of months.
Rich was easygoing and very quiet, and she was very, like,

Speaker 5 rough.

Speaker 3 Not his type.

Speaker 3 So I knew that wasn't going to last.

Speaker 3 By 2000, Joe and Lauren's relationship was also hitting the rocks.

Speaker 10 His divorce had not been finalized. Joseph and Susan Gigliotti were still fighting for custody of the children.

Speaker 3 He proposed to me no less than three times.

Speaker 3 But Joseph was helping Susan out. financially with the house and he wasn't able to contribute to our household.

Speaker 3 Until that got figured out, I wasn't ready to go there.

Speaker 3 The couple split, but Joe wasn't alone for long. In March of 2000, while preparing for his CPA exam, he met Sue McChesney.

Speaker 3 I met him online in a chat room for singles.

Speaker 3 We hit it off right away. He started bringing his children over.
I could tell he was an extremely good father and wanted to spend as much time as possible with him.

Speaker 3 But sadly, Joe Gigliati's time with his sons would be cut short.

Speaker 3 April 16th, 2000. After discovering the gunshot-riddled body of Joe Gigliati, Hamilton Township officers call for backup.

Speaker 9 Our next actions are to control the scene and keep the residents inside the property, whether they live there or not. Not let anybody in the backyard.
We didn't want anything contaminated.

Speaker 3 Initially, detectives keep the news of Joe's death quiet from the family.

Speaker 10 Nobody really understood why they didn't keep searching for Joe in the backyard, but they said they didn't.

Speaker 17 That's suspicious.

Speaker 10 You have to assume that everybody is a suspect.

Speaker 3 Coming up. Crime scene evidence paints a chilling picture of Joe Gigliati's final moments.

Speaker 10 It appeared somebody may have been laying in wait.

Speaker 3 And officers discover a key piece of evidence.

Speaker 25 We did find computers at her home and the computers were actually stolen from the government.

Speaker 3 April 16th, 2000. Within an hour of Joe Gigliati's murder, investigators are on the scene in Hamilton Township, New Jersey.

Speaker 9 Being a small town, we don't do the homicide investigation on our own. That's turned over to the Atlanta County Prosecutor's Office.

Speaker 20 Once we were contacted by the department, we then arrived and we take over that scene. I came in with my team and we began processing and started talking to witnesses.

Speaker 3 I kept asking, Do you know anything about Joe? Have you heard about him? Is he okay?

Speaker 3 And no one would answer me.

Speaker 18 When Susan was describing the incident, she thought it was a carjacking, a robbery.

Speaker 3 But detectives aren't so sure.

Speaker 18 It'd be very unusual for that to happen in this location because it is so out of the way as far as somebody passing through.

Speaker 3 As the hours tick by, Sue McChesney, Joe's current girlfriend, is growing impatient as she awaits any news of Joe.

Speaker 3 I told Joseph Jr., something's not right. I would like you to call your grandfather and let me talk to him.
I said, Joe's not here. Something happened.
Could you come pick up the kids?

Speaker 3 So he said, sure.

Speaker 3 At some point, police officers showed up and each one of us, myself, Susan, and her mother, they took us to the police station.

Speaker 3 With the occupants of the house away, investigators are free to focus on the scene.

Speaker 10 You can see that the victim had some type of wound to his arm and he had blood in his chest area. There were no shell casings found, which indicates that this may have been a revolver.

Speaker 25 There really wasn't much of an outdoor crime scene beyond the body.

Speaker 20 The reality is that we don't have any indicators of anything.

Speaker 13 The medical examiner determined that Mr.

Speaker 25 Gigliati was shot five times.

Speaker 16 The cause of death was multiple gunshot wounds.

Speaker 3 Joe's body is transported to the medical examiner's office while detectives chase their only lead.

Speaker 10 The victim's ex-wife, Susan Gigliotti, had a Ford Explorer, and the explorer had been stolen from the backyard backyard after the shooting.

Speaker 3 Authorities immediately release a bolo for the Explorer.

Speaker 18 He put that information out countywide as a possibly armed and dangerous individual with a description of the vehicle.

Speaker 3 Within an hour, police get a hit after an officer in a neighboring town spots the SUV.

Speaker 10 Susan Gigliati's car was located at the train station about three miles away from the Gigliati residence by an Ankharbor City police officer. The keys were in the vehicle.
The vehicle was unlocked.

Speaker 10 The officer indicated that he had seen a white male exit the vehicle go into the train station.

Speaker 10 Back in 2000, there was no surveillance video at the train station.

Speaker 3 What's more, when they sweep the vehicle for evidence, they come up empty-handed.

Speaker 10 The vehicle was processed. There was nothing that was left in the vehicle that we could see.

Speaker 3 With little to go on, investigators turned to their witnesses for answers, starting with Joe's girlfriend, Sue McChesney.

Speaker 3 A detective finally told me that Joe was dead.

Speaker 3 I did not find out he had been killed until that interview. I had no idea at that point.
I couldn't believe, you know, that's what happened.

Speaker 10 The girlfriend, Sue McChesney, was very affected by this incident.

Speaker 10 She showed quite a bit of shock and disbelief and confusion.

Speaker 3 Despite the shocking news, Sue McChesney pulls herself together to provide some crucial context.

Speaker 3 Joe had the two boys almost every weekend. Joe never really told me very much about his ex-wife.
I had not met Susan until that night.

Speaker 3 I understood that Joe had a difficult time returning the children. I could tell that there was a lot of tension there.

Speaker 3 Sue McChesney says on the day of the murder, everything felt off.

Speaker 3 Christian became sick and

Speaker 3 was running a fever.

Speaker 3 And he started crying and whining that he wanted his mother. So I pretty much insisted that Joe give her a call and ask if we could return the children early.

Speaker 3 She declined and said, don't bring them back any earlier than when you're supposed to bring them back. I couldn't understand why any mom would turn away a child that's sick and wanting them.

Speaker 3 When I got there, I asked Susan to use the bathroom. So the four of us went into the mother's house.
As they were exchanging the kids, Joe's ex-wife asked him for a favor.

Speaker 10 Susan Gigliotti asked Joe to go in the backyard and check the transmission. She said she was having problems with the transmission.

Speaker 3 At that point, I went to the bathroom. While I was in there, I started hearing a couple noises.
They sounded like bangs to me.

Speaker 3 I became very concerned and I came out and I asked Susan, did anyone hear the noises? At that point, a car drove past the house. It just seemed like it was like flying past the house.

Speaker 3 You know, Joe's outside. I want to go take a look and see if everything's okay.

Speaker 3 But Susan stopped me at the door and she goes, no, no, don't go out there. You do not know the property.

Speaker 17 I'll go out and check.

Speaker 10 Susan Gigliotti ran outside and looked for Joe Gigliotti or to see what the disturbance was, did not find him, came back in the house.

Speaker 3 And Susan came back. She said, I couldn't find him.

Speaker 3 And I said to her, I go, how is that even possible? How could you not find him?

Speaker 3 And I said, you know, something's not right. I thought, maybe Joe got.
injured. Maybe Joe is driving himself, you know, to hospital or something like that.
I insisted that they call the police.

Speaker 3 So they did.

Speaker 3 Police allow Sue McChesney to go home and call Susan Gigliati into the room.

Speaker 3 Based on information from other witnesses about her contentious divorce, police asked Susan if she had anything to do with the murder, and she denied it.

Speaker 10 Susan Gigliati downplayed the fact that they had a contentious situation going on.

Speaker 10 She didn't seem overwhelmed or overly affected with Joe's murder, but she indicated that she had no idea why this would have happened.

Speaker 24 Interviewers now want to know who could have been responsible for bringing harm to Joe.

Speaker 3 That's when Susan Gigliotti reveals she has a new boyfriend, Steve Furman.

Speaker 19 Steve Furman and Susan met each other through a online chat room, and then they eventually met in person.

Speaker 3 Without any prompting, Susan admits the two have a side business, an illegal one.

Speaker 10 She said her boyfriend, Steve Furman, worked for the federal government and they had a warehouse in Brooklyn.

Speaker 10 They stored computers up there and they were interested in getting as many computers as they could out of there and bringing them back to Susan's house with the intention of selling those computers.

Speaker 3 What's more, Susan says Joe recently found out about the operation.

Speaker 10 Joe Gigliotti had found the stolen items in Susan's house during one of his drop-offs for visitation and was not happy with it.

Speaker 3 Susan admits she worried that Joe would use this discovery against her and file for sole custody of their children.

Speaker 3 Joseph had an opportunity to call the police and

Speaker 6 have Susan removed from the home because of it.

Speaker 3 I told him to do it and he said to me, I can't do that to her, Lauren. She's the mother of my children.
He wanted whatever was best for the kids, which he felt was staying in their home.

Speaker 3 He did not want to disrupt their lives, so he wasn't trying to take them anywhere.

Speaker 3 Investigators obtain a warrant to search Susan Gigliati's home for evidence.

Speaker 25 When we did find computers at Susan's home, we we were able to establish that the computers were actually stolen from the government.

Speaker 20 So, Steve Fuhrman is another person of interest. We suspected that Steve Fuhrman had some aspect of involvement in the death of Joe Gigliati.

Speaker 3 Coming up, rumors of a jilted lover.

Speaker 10 There is some belief that he may have been stalking Susan at one point.

Speaker 13 For the ex-boyfriend to be in a picture, he obviously became someone we immediately want to speak with.

Speaker 3 And investigators uncover a big break in the case.

Speaker 10 The man was extremely nervous, sweating profusely.

Speaker 27 Joe was going to be taken care of. What did you interpret that to mean?

Speaker 3 That he was going to be killed.

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Speaker 3 Within a few hours of the murder of Joe Gigliotti, his soon-to-be ex-wife Susan tells investigators that Joe recently found out about her illegal side business.

Speaker 10 There was an ongoing dispute between Susan and Joe regarding this.

Speaker 10 She did confess that she participated in a step with her boyfriend Stephen Furman. He needed to be interviewed.

Speaker 3 When Steve sits down with investigators on April 17th, he reveals another twist.

Speaker 20 The fact that Steve Furman was married did come up in our interview Stephen told me that he was having this affair and that he deeply cared for Susan Gigliati

Speaker 10 he says he's in love with her that they've been seeing each other for quite a while and that eventually he would like to start a life with her

Speaker 3 Detectives push Steve for more information about the stolen computers.

Speaker 12 Can you tell me what it is, what exactly it is that you know about these computers?

Speaker 12 I had found them on loading dock where I work and she said, well, we could take them and sell them and I could maybe, you know, split it with you.

Speaker 30 She came out there one day and I put them in the truck and took him to a house.

Speaker 3 While Steve admits to the theft, he's avoiding the elephant in the room.

Speaker 25 He really wasn't talking about the homicide very much when he did talk about the relationship between susan gigliotti and joe gigliotti it was always how terrible joe is that is an immediate red flag in my mind my immediate response was it was a misdirection

Speaker 12 did susan tell you specifically that she knew what had happened to her ex-husband joe no she just told me that something bad had happened he had gotten shot he's dead well the simplest question was the farmer.

Speaker 4 Did you kill Susan?

Speaker 12 No, I did not.

Speaker 25 No.

Speaker 12 Do you know who did? No, I do not.

Speaker 3 Detectives believe Steve may be hiding something, but release him for now.

Speaker 3 When detectives question Susan's family members, suddenly a new person of interest surfaces. Richard DeBeau.

Speaker 10 We always ask in a situation such as this, who were prior boyfriends? Was there anybody that might be jealous?

Speaker 10 And Rich Debow's name came up through a family member as a former friend or lover of Susan Gigliotti.

Speaker 10 And family members indicated that there was some belief that he may have been stalking Susan at one point.

Speaker 26 For the ex-boyfriend to be in a pitcher, he obviously became someone we immediately want to speak with as well.

Speaker 4 We were able to pick him up, bring him in.

Speaker 3 Investigators press Rich DeBeau about his whereabouts the day of the shooting.

Speaker 20 Rich told us that day that he followed his normal routine.

Speaker 13 I believe he worked, he walked the boardwalk in Atlantic City, and then he caught the train back to Hake Harbor City.

Speaker 20 And from there, he went home and that was the end of his day.

Speaker 3 Although authorities need to verify Rich's alibi, he seems harmless.

Speaker 20 He wanted to cooperate.

Speaker 26 He didn't have extensive violent criminal history.

Speaker 20 There was no indication in the world for us to believe that he was involved.

Speaker 3 With no leads from their initial interviews, investigators seek out Joe's friends and family, looking for more clues.

Speaker 10 All the information that everyone provided was that he was a nice guy that nobody had a problem with, and nobody was aware that he had any issues with anyone other than his ex-wife.

Speaker 3 There was that custody battle between them for their two children.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 it was not a good situation.

Speaker 3 The family tells investigators at one point, Susan claimed Joe had abused her during their marriage.

Speaker 10 Susan had alleged a number of assaults. At one point, she said, I think, that she had a broken nose caused by Joe during a domestic dispute.

Speaker 3 However, detectives find no record of abuse.

Speaker 24 There was no proof submitted to the court that would sustain a charge of domestic abuse.

Speaker 3 They do uncover threats of violence. However, they didn't come from Joe.

Speaker 10 Friends indicated that Susan Gigliotti was aware that Joseph Gigliotti had an insurance policy and had made statements to them that it would be easier if Joe was dead, that she wouldn't have to go through the aggravation of a divorce.

Speaker 3 Could Susan have followed through with her threats, or did someone intervene on her behalf?

Speaker 3 Detectives suspect Steve Furman knows much more than he claims, so they circle back to him on April 19th.

Speaker 10 During the first interview with Steve Fuhrman, he was very evasive and very vague in his answers.

Speaker 10 We brought him back in, and then we brought up our belief that this was an arranged murder, that he knew about it.

Speaker 10 The man was extremely nervous, sweating profusely. He just was a mess.

Speaker 3 Eventually, the pressure pays off.

Speaker 4 Did Sue make any comments to you which would lead you to believe that she was responsible for Joe's death?

Speaker 12 About two weeks ago, she had told me a situation that was going to occur.

Speaker 12 She told me that

Speaker 4 basically

Speaker 12 I have a gun, I have ammunition, and I know somebody that's going to take care of it.

Speaker 27 When she said to you that Joe was going to be taken care of, what did you interpret that to mean?

Speaker 12 That he was going to be killed. Did she say who was going to do this? She said she knew somebody that lived close by and that he would take care of it.

Speaker 27 Did she ever mention this person by name?

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 3 Steve may not know the name of the alleged shooter. However, investigators believe they do.

Speaker 17 Rich DeBeau, her former lover.

Speaker 10 Rich DeBeau would do anything for her.

Speaker 3 While Steve denies any involvement in the murder, he is not in the clear just yet.

Speaker 10 At the point that Steve Fuhrman admitted his knowledge, he's now a conspirator. We felt as though he'd be an asset to us if he would cooperate.

Speaker 3 On April 19th, 2000, Steve agrees to wear a wire in an effort to get Susan to confess and to reveal the alleged gunman's identity.

Speaker 10 Steve Fuhrman was nervous. He was going to try to confirm with her that Rich DeBow was the shooter.
He needed her to admit and say names and prove what Steve had said was true.

Speaker 26 Steve was concerned that she was going to figure it out.

Speaker 14 It's an extremely dangerous situation where you're putting a wire on someone's body.

Speaker 3 Coming up, Steve puts his life on the line.

Speaker 20 We can't eliminate all risk in situations like this.

Speaker 13 It becomes apparent that Susan may be sensing that Furman's up to something.

Speaker 3 As detectives close in, one man can't handle the pressure.

Speaker 13 He threw his hands in the air and he said, okay, okay, okay, I'm going to tell you what's happened.

Speaker 10 If Lux could kill, he'd be dead right there in the chair.

Speaker 3 April 19th, 2000.

Speaker 3 Authorities in Hamilton Township, New Jersey are closing in on the main suspects in the murder of Joe Gigliotti. After his ex-wife's lover, Steve Furman, agrees to cooperate with investigators.

Speaker 20 We had to give Mr.

Speaker 24 Furman explicit instructions.

Speaker 15 He was extremely concerned about having to wear a wire.

Speaker 24 He was just concerned for his safety. We're actually seeing Steve Furman and a person who we believe had a hand in committing homicide.

Speaker 16 And we can't eliminate all risk in situations like this, and that's why it's voluntary.

Speaker 10 Steve Furman was made aware of the fact that we would maintain surveillance, and we also provided him with a code word should anything go wrong.

Speaker 24 We have teams in place that can respond if it becomes extremely dangerous.

Speaker 3 On April 19th, around 5 p.m., investigators take their places.

Speaker 10 I have a van which is equipped with monitoring devices. In this particular case, the house could be surveilled.
We then sent Steve Furman in in his own vehicle to Susan Gigliotti's house.

Speaker 10 He pulled into the driveway and Ms. Gigliati came out of her house.

Speaker 13 She was very guarded.

Speaker 14 She did attempt to hug him.

Speaker 13 He was able to rebuff that attempt.

Speaker 10 She kept questioning, why won't you come over here? Are you wired? Let me pat you down.

Speaker 10 Mr. Fuhrman started requesting to know what Mrs.
Gigliati had said to authorities that he was very concerned, that he was going to go to jail. Ms.

Speaker 10 Gigliati indicated that you don't have to worry about that. You weren't involved.
It was Rich DeBeau.

Speaker 10 That was the first time we got any confirmation from Mrs. Gigliati that Mr.
Furman was telling the truth.

Speaker 10 They said their goodbyes, and Mr. Furman left in the vehicle.

Speaker 3 Investigators immediately locate Rich DeBeau and bring him back in for questioning.

Speaker 13 We brought Rich back in for a second interview.

Speaker 17 We couldn't find any evidence at all that he did what he claimed he's done on that day.

Speaker 3 Before investigators lay out their cards, they first confront Rich about his shaky alibi for the night of Joe's murder.

Speaker 10 Initially, Rich DeBow had indicated that he was in Atlantic City and nobody could verify it.

Speaker 10 That's all all it took for Mr. DeBow to decide it was time to tell the truth.

Speaker 14 Rich threw his hands in the air and he said, literally, okay, okay, okay, I'm going to tell you what happened.

Speaker 10 He said, the murder plot was actually discussed several months before it occurred. Rich DeBow believed everything Susie Gigliotti told him.

Speaker 10 that she's being abused by Joe Gigliotti, that she wants to be with him, Rich DeBow, DeBeau, for the rest of his life

Speaker 10 because that's who he is. He wants to hear these things, so he believes them.

Speaker 3 Rich tells detectives that Susan Gigliotti first approached him months earlier with her plan.

Speaker 13 He proceeded to tell us how he committed the murder and what he did after.

Speaker 11 Every time he would respond, he would end it with, I'm not a cold-hearted monster.

Speaker 10 On April 16th, 16th, it was around 8:30 that Susan Gigliotti came and picked him up and drove home to Susan's parents' house.

Speaker 3 Rich says that Susan handed him a black revolver and left the keys in the explorer so he could make his escape.

Speaker 3 Joe came to the house to drop off the children.

Speaker 3 Susan asked him to change her transmission fluid in her car.

Speaker 3 He went out there, and that's when Richard DeBeau was laying in wait.

Speaker 10 He said when Gigliotti bent down to look in the engine compartment, he shot him.

Speaker 14 Rich shot him a couple times. Joe was begging for his life, asking Rich, please, please stop.

Speaker 14 And when we asked Rich, what did you do next?

Speaker 13 His response was, I shot him again.

Speaker 14 And with that, Rich took a long breath and he paused and then he looked at us and he says,

Speaker 25 I guess I am a cold-harded monster.

Speaker 3 Rich explains that after shooting Joe, he took off in the Ford Explorer as Susan had planned.

Speaker 26 He then made his way back to Agarbor City. He went to the train station, and then he proceeded to go home.

Speaker 10 Mr. DeBose said that he had gloves on at the time of the murder, that he took the gloves, he took the weapon, and he threw them in a trash can as he walked towards his house.

Speaker 10 He said that he didn't know what trash can he dropped the items in, and we never recovered the weapon.

Speaker 3 To detectives, Rich's motive is one as old as time.

Speaker 10 Rich DeBow felt if he followed along and did what Susan asked him to do, that he would win her back.

Speaker 10 He did it because he wanted to be with Susan Gigliotti. And she asked him, and that's all it took.

Speaker 3 But DeBeau isn't done talking just yet and makes another shocking confession.

Speaker 4 That's when Rich started telling us about the plan to murder Steve Farman's wife, Carrie.

Speaker 16 Which was news to us.

Speaker 14 It was a, you got to be kidding me, that murder was to occur two weeks after the murder of Joe Gigliati. It was a very bone-chilling moment.

Speaker 3 Investigators charge Rich DeBeau with murder and issue a warrant for Susan Ghigliati's arrest.

Speaker 13 The team brought Susan Gigliati in.

Speaker 26 When Susan came in, she saw Rich. At which point, she stopped at the door and Rich said, I told him everything.

Speaker 10 Susan Gugliatti said, who do you think you're talking to? I told you, keep your mouth shut. Rich DeBow responded by saying, it's too late.
We're both going down together. It looks could kill.

Speaker 10 He'd be dead right there.

Speaker 3 Coming up, investigators determine if another arrest is needed.

Speaker 27 What did you interpret her to mean by that?

Speaker 2 Kill him.

Speaker 12 I really didn't think she would.

Speaker 3 And Susan's fate is left in the hands of the jury. She didn't pull a trigger, but she planned it.
I don't understand. I still to this day don't.

Speaker 3 April 19th, 2000. As New Jersey authorities close in on Susan Gigliotti for the murder of her ex-husband Joe, they have just learned of another stunning murder plot.

Speaker 14 In addition to Rich DeBeau confessing to murdering Joe Gigliotti, he was also slated to murder Stephen Furman's wife, Carrie.

Speaker 3 Susan wanted to be with Steve.

Speaker 3 She wanted his wife dead, and she wanted just everybody out of the way so she could have her new life.

Speaker 3 In the interrogation room, unlike Rich, Susan keeps her mouth shut.

Speaker 10 She's under arrest. She's not saying a word.
If we didn't know her name, we probably wouldn't have got that out of her. We got no information from her.

Speaker 3 Now the burning question is whether Steve Furman was part of the deadly scheme.

Speaker 12 She fell in love with me and wanted to be with me. And I was having marital problems.
I couldn't get a divorce.

Speaker 12 And so she turned around and said, well, I'm going to have him taken care care of, and I'm going to take care of your wife because you can't get a divorce.

Speaker 27 What did you interpret her to mean by that?

Speaker 2 Kill him.

Speaker 12 I was petrified, but I blew it off and I said, yeah, right.

Speaker 12 I really didn't think she would.

Speaker 3 In the end, authorities decide not to press conspiracy charges against Steve Furman.

Speaker 15 Charges were filed against Steve Furman for the computer theft.

Speaker 26 As far as his conspiracy and the death of Joe Giglioti, we didn't have a strong case against him based on the evidence we had. In addition, he was cooperating with us.

Speaker 10 There was no pursuit of charges because Mr. Fuhrman was very instrumental in us solving this case.

Speaker 3 In March 2002, the case finally goes to trial.

Speaker 17 Chris Jabo, Steve Farman, all of them turn against Susan Igliadi.

Speaker 3 On March 21st, after only 90 minutes of deliberation, the jury reaches a verdict.

Speaker 3 They did what they needed to do, an hour and a half, and she was guilty of murder.

Speaker 3 Susan was convicted of murder in the first degree, various other weapons charges, and I believe stolen goods charges.

Speaker 3 And she was sentenced to life, but she does have the option for parole after 30 years.

Speaker 10 I think she got what she deserved.

Speaker 10 She's evil, and she's a manipulator.

Speaker 3 In January of 2003, Rich DeBeau is convicted of Joe Gigliati's murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and weapons charges. He's sentenced to 40 years in prison.

Speaker 23 I felt bad for him, you know, he was manipulated by this woman to do this crazy act to take a man's life.

Speaker 23 When you're in love with somebody that that much and they take advantage of that, you know,

Speaker 23 there's no telling what you'll do for somebody.

Speaker 3 The shockwaves of Susan's manipulation are widespread.

Speaker 20 She didn't care about the kids affirming.

Speaker 24 She She didn't care about her children.

Speaker 20 She didn't care about the Bose family.

Speaker 19 Joe Igliotti is dead and his family mourns his death every single day.

Speaker 3 She didn't pull a trigger, but she planned it. She took a great dad from them.

Speaker 3 He was a fantastic father.

Speaker 3 I don't understand. I still to this day don't.

Speaker 3 Joseph's legacy is his kids. They are amazing kids that have had to grow up through this and still have been able to succeed and thrive and are both doing extremely well.

Speaker 3 And that is, that's his legacy.

Speaker 17 100%.

Speaker 30 And a worthy one.

Speaker 3 Susan Gigliotti is currently housed at Edna Mahan Correctional Facility for Women. She will be eligible for parole in 2030.

Speaker 3 After serving 17 years of his 40-year sentence, Rich DeBeau died in prison in 2020. Steve Fuhrman was convicted of theft of government property and received four years' probation from a federal court.

Speaker 3 Joe and Susan's two children were raised by Joe's parents.