Episode 263

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Speaker 11 So, what happened to your mom there?

Speaker 13 Looks like she fell off the building. How did she fall?

Speaker 13 All right, I didn't go into the room. I just scared

Speaker 13 y'all screaming.

Speaker 12 Hello, and welcome.

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Speaker 24 You know, he came over to tell me that the long pauses in between words that I

Speaker 23 exhibit sometimes when I'm formulating a thought,

Speaker 15 that means that I'm a a narcissist because apparently he saw some video online somewhere that told him all the signs to look for in a narcissist and he was hurt by one so he's got to go around telling everyone that they're a narcissist now

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And I think that I'm right about the fact that most of you come here for

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Speaker 15 But you don't come here for that. You come here for the narcissism.
You come here for the personality.

Speaker 15 They're not here for you, James. They're not here for the soy-filled husk of a man telling them what's appropriate to say and not to say online.

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Speaker 26 It brings together in-store and online operations across up to a thousand locations.

Speaker 41 Imagine being able to guarantee that shopping is always convenient.

Speaker 42 Endless aisle, ship to customer, buy online, pick up in store.

Speaker 37 All these things are made simpler to customers so they can shop how they want, and staff have all the tools to close the sale every time.

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Speaker 22 play a lot of 911 calls here on the show, and naturally, nearly every call has something to do with murder.

Speaker 59 Now, we all know that not every 911 call is being placed because someone is being killed or has been killed.

Speaker 63 More often than not, the calls coming into dispatch are for things like health emergencies, car accidents, maybe a suspicious person prowling around the neighborhood, or even sometimes things like brush fires and structural accidents.

Speaker 25 Any event that requires the immediate response of police, fire, or EMS warrants a 911 call.

Speaker 68 Early in the morning of August 21st, 2017, a call such as this came into the Farmington Hills dispatch team, reporting the discovery of a body outside a home on the west side of the city.

Speaker 33 This wasn't just any home, though.

Speaker 20 It was a nearly two-acre estate built right right alongside the Farmington Hills Golf Club.

Speaker 72 These people had money and lots of it.

Speaker 72 I'm already on the phone.

Speaker 13 I am 911. What is the exact header for the emergency? Howard Road, Farmington Hills.
And the farm number 331. Where's the farm number car? We need an ambulance.
What's going on there?

Speaker 13 Um, I don't know.

Speaker 13 We were late for school sounds like my mom. And I also have the one next to it was opening.
She never opened it. And she fell.

Speaker 13 Her mom's out two stories. Yeah.

Speaker 13 She fell two stories? How old is your mom?

Speaker 13 33 and she fell on concrete. Okay, 85.

Speaker 13 All right.

Speaker 70 The caller was 14-year-old Aya Alton's Hawi, who had just discovered her mother lying unresponsive on the ground outside the family's sprawling 10,000 square foot mansion.

Speaker 13 Okay, is Ray, is she breathing?

Speaker 13 Come on, is she breathing?

Speaker 13 I'm not gonna set her up and I don't know. Is she breathing? Come on, check if she's breathing.

Speaker 13 Pause once you can

Speaker 13 hold on one second while I get him on the way, okay? Hold on. Okay, I'm not gonna wait for him.

Speaker 13 Hold on.

Speaker 13 Okay, no,

Speaker 13 Okay, I have them on the way.

Speaker 13 Are you able to check and see if your mom is breathing?

Speaker 13 No moments.

Speaker 13 We don't know moms. Hello.
Hi.

Speaker 13 Are you there? Yeah, we don't know her.

Speaker 13 Okay, no, don't do that. This thing is on the wing.
Is she on her back?

Speaker 13 What is?

Speaker 22 It appeared to Aya as though her mom had fallen from the window on the second floor, directly above where her body now lay, motionless.

Speaker 43 The window was positioned at a considerable height.

Speaker 32 Both the first and second floors of the house boasted high ceilings, so this wasn't your typical residential second-story window height.

Speaker 77 She fell a significant distance, landing on concrete.

Speaker 58 To make matters worse, it remained unclear how long she'd been lying there.

Speaker 78 And how old is your mom?

Speaker 13 Um, I think she's 33.

Speaker 13 33.

Speaker 13 No, no, no, I need to to wait to see when they come.

Speaker 13 And if she catches that or no?

Speaker 13 No, still not. I don't know how long you've been out here for it.
I know I'm still saying, like, at least 65,

Speaker 13 that's when I called her. I must recognize her.
She didn't enter. Okay.
All right. I want you.
You're not sure she's breathing at this point? No.

Speaker 70 Nada Harani was the 35-year-old mother, now lying unconscious on the concrete.

Speaker 80 She lived in the home with her three children, among them her daughter Aya, who made the 911 call.

Speaker 68 But at this point, Aya's 16-year-old brother, Muhammad, had also come down to investigate the situation.

Speaker 72 Additionally, there was Nada's youngest daughter, who was nine years old and still sleeping in the house.

Speaker 70 It had been nearly two years since Nada and her ex-Basil Atentali had separated.

Speaker 66 Basil no longer lived with the rest of the family.

Speaker 13 Our family are divorced and

Speaker 13 my brother's longer to be living with him. Me and my sister will only have his taste away.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 And you said she fell over two stories?

Speaker 13 Yeah, more or less.

Speaker 13 Our house is like pretty next to us.

Speaker 13 It's three stories out of the two.

Speaker 13 Okay. And that's you, not including the basement.
Okay, this was an accidental fall.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 13 Okay, I want you to get down next to her. Oh, darling.

Speaker 13 Okay, are you next to your mom? Yeah.

Speaker 13 Okay, do you see her chest rising and falling?

Speaker 13 No.

Speaker 13 You don't? Okay.

Speaker 59 The 911 operator asked Aya if she knew how to give CPR, but for some reason, Aya handed the phone off to her brother, 16-year-old Muhammad.

Speaker 70 The operator then instructed him on how to resuscitate his mother, and he started the chest compressions, counting back to the operator.

Speaker 13 eight,

Speaker 13 nine,

Speaker 13 ten, eleven, one, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 One, two, three, four. Let's take up the pace.
One, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 One, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 One, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 One, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 Keep going, you're doing good.

Speaker 13 One, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 One, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 One, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four.

Speaker 13 One, one, two, three.

Speaker 13 Jeff, please bear with you. Yes.
Keep going until they get up next to you, okay? Keep doing it.

Speaker 13 Alright, guys? Yeah.

Speaker 13 Are you going to get the police, the fire department direct them in? Yeah, we're going to go leave it in. Okay, so what happened to your mom there? Looks like she fell off the building.

Speaker 13 How did she fall?

Speaker 13 I didn't go into the room. I did just stare at

Speaker 13 the screen. I couldn't look.

Speaker 13 Do you know what the how did she tell or what she was doing? Yeah, she was on the top floor. She was watching or cleaning the windows.
She was cleaning the windows? Yeah.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 Is she always up this early in the morning? Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah?

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Because we have school today. You have school today? Yeah.
Okay, where do you go to school? It's nationality.

Speaker 13 Okay. Okay.
And what's your name? My name is Mohamed Al-Safari. I'm

Speaker 13 not the fire at all.

Speaker 13 Okay, and what's your last name, Mohamed?

Speaker 13 A-L-C.

Speaker 13 A-N-T-A-W-I.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 Okay. All right, I'm gonna let you go, okay? Do you have the fire department there with you now? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 Okay, all right, you did a really good job, okay?

Speaker 13 Okay, all right. Are you okay now, or do you want me to stay with you?

Speaker 13 Yes, yeah, we're here, we're good. Okay, all right, I'll let you go then, okay? Okay, all right, bye-bye.

Speaker 12 Where she at?

Speaker 13 Watch out, buddy.

Speaker 86 Go out to the driveway, direct the fire department in, alright, guys?

Speaker 86 Who else is home, guys?

Speaker 86 Okay, go inside. I'll be with you guys in a minute, alright?

Speaker 20 Please.

Speaker 87 Okay, who else is home? Your little sister?

Speaker 42 Is she sleeping or is she awake? She's sleeping. I'll go.
Let's go to sleep.

Speaker 89 You guys, hold on here.

Speaker 42 How old are you guys?

Speaker 13 14, 16.

Speaker 42 14, 16. Who's the the lady that's injured up back to you guys?

Speaker 13 Mom.

Speaker 89 That's your mom? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 90 What's your mom's name?

Speaker 13 Yet.

Speaker 89 When's the last time you guys saw your mom? Last night. What time?

Speaker 13 Uh, like, maybe seven or eight. She was sleeping early.

Speaker 89 Okay. And when did you guys find her?

Speaker 13 This morning. I called her twice at six because she was going to move up and both of her phone she didn't answer.
So I called her again at 6.30 because we were supposed to be

Speaker 13 school by 6.40 6.40 and she didn't answer. So I went downstairs.
My daughter was on the lights ago because I was getting easier. I went upstairs and I saw that the

Speaker 13 guest room that I was on, which is for sure if it was her makeup. And I called her she wasn't there.
I checked see if her car was still in the room it was.

Speaker 13 And I saw her window looking at chip and then I never was.

Speaker 13 And there was like painting stuff and she went to the case because something happened in the morning because she wakes up early.

Speaker 13 So I went to look at the window and I thought about like Lucy and Kays. Maybe I know it's possible, but she was out there and then I called my brother and went upside.

Speaker 89 Okay. So this was around 6.30 this morning, you think?

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 59 By the time the children discovered their mother's body, it was too late.

Speaker 70 Officials took Nada from the scene for an autopsy.

Speaker 58 Later on, they located the three children.

Speaker 43 They were at Nada's estranged husband, Basilantentawi's home.

Speaker 71 They wanted to speak with all three kids again about the timeline and the details of what had happened.

Speaker 68 Even more importantly, the Aldentawi mansion boasted 13 different cameras, and police needed passwords to get access to the main security system so they could check to see if Nada's plummet to death was caught on video.

Speaker 12 That way they could, you know, confirm that it truly was an accident.

Speaker 88 I called up a company called Telus Electronics who installed the system and they said

Speaker 93 there is obviously there's cameras all over the house. If the lights are going, that means it's probably connected to the

Speaker 93 camera system, which

Speaker 93 rewrites on top of each other.

Speaker 93 So if it's recording, then it'll only record for so long. You have a one terabyte hard drive in there, and basically it'll just always record.

Speaker 93 So depending on how what quality you have, how much it's recording, which cameras are on, or whatever, depends on how quickly it cycles through.

Speaker 93 Okay, so what we want to do is just take a look at that and just make sure there's nothing suspicious on it.

Speaker 14 Obviously this is,

Speaker 93 people are calling, okay? You guys are going through a divorce.

Speaker 95 So what we want to do is we want to

Speaker 95 just take that, take a look at it,

Speaker 89 either have our guys take a look at it or some computer people so they can pull the information off of it and just make sure there's nothing on tape that's suspicious or anything like that.

Speaker 97 Yeah, I mean if we don't go with what the people, you know, he say, she said.

Speaker 93 I I know. And this is more,

Speaker 89 let's make sure there's nothing on and then just move on with everything, okay?

Speaker 93 No problems with that? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 14 I don't think I have a problem, but like I said, the whole thing is talking to me, and the whole, you know, situation is bizarre.

Speaker 88 Absolutely, it is. We don't deal with this every day either.

Speaker 93 You know, it's not something that normally happens, and you can see how,

Speaker 93 you know, if you remove yourself out of the situation, you know, and make it and it's not personal, you can see how it would be, oh man, something must have happened, right?

Speaker 93 Do you understand that?

Speaker 93 This is the F L I R D V R recording system.

Speaker 14 Does that sound familiar?

Speaker 95 Does it sound right? You don't remember? I remember check it.

Speaker 14 Okay, you never had record uh

Speaker 93 no logon and password or anything. I don't know about the camera, actually.
They're all over the house.

Speaker 84 I don't know.

Speaker 94 If you walk around outside, you can see that they're little.

Speaker 14 They're about that. They're black lenses.

Speaker 94 Yeah, like, you know, there's one where you put it right over here outside your garage.

Speaker 99 Just kind of like main points of entry to the side.

Speaker 93 Like on the outside or something like that.

Speaker 14 When you pull up the driveway, like when you pull in your driveway, you look up left.

Speaker 99 You'll see like a little camera that just kind of points down.

Speaker 22 Basil Antentawi, not his estranged husband, seemed not to know much about this security system.

Speaker 75 He didn't know how many cameras there were.

Speaker 64 He didn't even seem to remember what they looked like.

Speaker 80 He did, however, seem very reluctant to trust the intentions of police.

Speaker 81 It seemed to him like they were already going down a path of pointing fingers, and he didn't like that.

Speaker 68 Later on, police showed up at Bossel's house where the children were staying, hoping to bring them back to the station for formal interviews, but that didn't go too great.

Speaker 100 The reason we're coming back is we wanted to talk to you guys, check the station, try to lock everything down

Speaker 100 lines and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 88 with you?

Speaker 100 Speak to your daughter and you and

Speaker 100 your son.

Speaker 95 And your other moon. Yeah.
Two daughters move.

Speaker 94 You have to have to find them all at the station where we can maybe

Speaker 94 have a chance to lock it all down and let's see what's important.

Speaker 87 Yeah.

Speaker 94 That's just, it's kind of standard procedure, is what we do.

Speaker 70 Law enforcement requested that Basel and his three children be interviewed at the police station.

Speaker 25 As is standard procedure.

Speaker 56 You heard the cop say that quite a few times.

Speaker 68 For the girls who were still in school, it was suggested that they be picked up by the school liaison officer and brought straight to the station.

Speaker 73 Basil was obviously wary of this idea.

Speaker 99 School liaison officers, the school guys who were plain clothes or whatever, they can go.

Speaker 99 They can give her a ride to the station.

Speaker 99 We may not be there that long at the station. We just.

Speaker 96 I mean, I don't know. Should I ask what I'm telling you here?

Speaker 88 I don't understand what's going on.

Speaker 88 We're just.

Speaker 99 This is standard procedure when we're trying to.

Speaker 87 We have to. Obviously, it's kind of weird what happened.

Speaker 99 We're just trying to find out exactly what the kids might have said. She might have said she wasn't feeling well earlier in the night.
If there was, you know, she got into an argument with somebody.

Speaker 87 I still have no problem.

Speaker 102 You guys are calling out today so many times.

Speaker 88 We're going to meet

Speaker 87 Well, we don't want to scare the kids either. We don't want to scare anybody.

Speaker 87 If you feel more comfortable doing it here, we can talk here.

Speaker 95 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 94 Sure, I understand. We're going to wait and see what the boss has to say about that.

Speaker 94 We just want to make this as easy and comfortable as possible.

Speaker 1 We're not trying to intrude and make people feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 87 We don't want to make people experience that.

Speaker 103 And I don't just love situation.

Speaker 87 I know.

Speaker 71 Reluctantly, the detectives decided to interview Basil's son, Muhammad.

Speaker 25 He was upstairs in his room.

Speaker 68 The evidence from the audio suggests that he had been living primarily with his father, even before this tragic accident occurred.

Speaker 68 The girls were staying with him temporarily, as Basil only had visitation rights with his daughters. Before proceeding, though, the detectives requested that the loud music be turned off.

Speaker 22 As they waited for Aya and her younger sister to come back home, the police sat down with Muhammad and asked him some basic questions about the previous night.

Speaker 59 Like they said, it's not every day that someone just goes out a window.

Speaker 81 Normally they either jump or are pushed.

Speaker 63 The Farmington Hills police were pretty certain that one of these two scenarios was the truth.

Speaker 12 They just needed to figure out

Speaker 65 which one.

Speaker 31 So when I started this podcast, I didn't realize I was actually starting a small business.

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Speaker 39 Shopify's point-of-sale system is a unified command center for your retail business.

Speaker 26 It brings together in-store and online operations across up to a thousand locations.

Speaker 41 Imagine being able to guarantee that shopping is always convenient.

Speaker 32 Endless aisle, ship to customer, buy online, pick up in-store.

Speaker 37 All these things are are made simpler to customers so they can shop how they want, and staff have all the tools to close the sale every time.

Speaker 38 And let's face it, acquiring new customers is expensive.

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Speaker 46 In fact, it's proven.

Speaker 52 Based on a report from EY, businesses on Shopify POS see real results, like 22% better total cost of ownership and benefits equivalent to an 8.9% uplift in sales on average relative to the market set surveyed.

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Speaker 1 It's time to head back to school and forward to your future with Carrington College.

Speaker 2 For over 55 years, we've helped train the next generation of healthcare professionals.

Speaker 5 Apply now to get hands-on training from teachers with real-world experience.

Speaker 2 And as few few as nine months, you could start making a difference in healthcare.

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Speaker 7 Visit Carrington.edu to see what's next for you.

Speaker 2 Visit Carrington.edu slash SCI for information on program outcomes.

Speaker 69 On August 21st, 2017, 14-year-old Aya Altantawi discovered her mother, Nada's lifeless body sprawled across the pavement, right outside of their opulent Farmington Hills mansion.

Speaker 65 She called 911 and eventually handed the phone to her 16-year-old brother, Mohammed, who rushed outside to see what Aya was screaming about.

Speaker 64 The two accepted CPR instruction from the 911 operator and waited.

Speaker 18 for the police to arrive.

Speaker 71 The next day, police drove over to Basil Antentalwi's house.

Speaker 12 The children were to stay with their father while the case was in progress.

Speaker 51 The girls were still in school while police knocked on Basil's door.

Speaker 40 They would eventually be brought home by the school liaison officer.

Speaker 17 While they waited, police questioned Muhammad, hoping to get some information about the family dynamic, people who may have wanted to hurt his mother, and, most importantly, the home's extensive security system.

Speaker 99 I'm sorry, what's your name, eat, sir?

Speaker 21 Mommy, mommy, I'm Richard.

Speaker 99 Um, again, we're sorry about your loss, though. I'm sure it's tough.

Speaker 99 Um, like I said, we're just kind of trying to go through things here to find out what transpired.

Speaker 99 If anything, your mom might have said or the way she was acting or anything like that that might have led you guys to believe that you know she was upset about something or anything.

Speaker 99 So, you just kind of walk us through, like, did you have school yesterday?

Speaker 105 No, no,

Speaker 99 you didn't have school yesterday,

Speaker 87 okay. What when you

Speaker 99 I guess not yesterday?

Speaker 105 The day before it was Sunday, so not that either.

Speaker 99 Okay, so did you go what went on start like set Sunday evening? What was going on Sunday evening?

Speaker 105 I mean not really anything. We all stay in our rooms for the most part.
Like both my sisters on their computers. I'm on my computer.
I mean we ate lunch

Speaker 105 She's just walking around the house. I think she came back with my sister from getting school supplies

Speaker 105 and then I didn't really talk to her much. She was talking to my sister and then like I said I was paying attention up to my phone eating.

Speaker 107 That's about it.

Speaker 99 What was she doing the whole time? She seemed upset. What kind of mood was she in?

Speaker 48 She seemed fine, I'd say.

Speaker 105 I mean she like I said she came back with school supplies and went straight to her room so and then she slept like a few hours later.

Speaker 99 Your mom did? So what time does she normally go to bed?

Speaker 105 Normally I'd say around 10 maybe

Speaker 105 late 9.30.

Speaker 99 9 30 or 10? Do you recall the time she went to bed last night?

Speaker 105 Around late 7, maybe early 8, I think.

Speaker 99 You know why she would go to bed three hours earlier or? No.

Speaker 105 Like I said we didn't really talk much yesterday so.

Speaker 99 How are things between

Speaker 99 your mom and your sister's young girls always arguing about something or fighting about something or are you getting in trouble for anything lately? You know is your mom mad at anybody about anything?

Speaker 105 I'd say just a normal like you know teenage stuff?

Speaker 105 Yeah parents took it like a couple days ago like my sister her room was pretty dirty so you know my mom told her to clean her room.

Speaker 107 It's about it.

Speaker 99 You have a beautiful house, yeah. Does your mom clean it, or do you have a cleaning lady?

Speaker 105 Well, we all clean basically what we do, so like if I make a mess, I have to clean it up.

Speaker 87 Alright.

Speaker 99 How's your sister's relationship with your mom?

Speaker 108 It's like

Speaker 105 pretty good the same thing. Like I say, like if they don't do something right, you know, they get in trouble for it.

Speaker 107 Not cleaning their room, you know, cleaning your room, stuff like that.

Speaker 97 No big arguments or anything with your sister lately?

Speaker 105 Nothing I know, no.

Speaker 92 By all accounts, Nada was a hard-working, loving, and doting mother.

Speaker 71 She woke the kids up for school every day, cooked, cleaned, and did all the normal full-time parenting duties, while also juggling a career as a fitness instructor.

Speaker 99 Now, where does your mom work?

Speaker 107 Uh, Franklin Athletic Club.

Speaker 99 Okay, does she work every day or is she by appointment only?

Speaker 105 I'm not as familiar with it myself.

Speaker 105 She hasn't really told me about it much, but from what I heard from my sister, it's like she has clients and they schedule it with her, so that's how her schedule kind of works.

Speaker 99 Did the people ever come here to work out? No. Okay, it's just so.

Speaker 107 It's at the gym, yeah. It's at the gym.

Speaker 12 The people who took Nada's classes absolutely adored her.

Speaker 81 After hearing of her tragic passing, the gym's Facebook page flooded with comments like this.

Speaker 75 Nada was such an inspiring woman.

Speaker 109 She truly made so many people's lives happier. She would always greet you with a smile and knew everyone who attended her class by first name.

Speaker 24 She was so so passionate and I am so, so glad I knew her.

Speaker 109 Franklin was a place. She was certainly appreciated.
I do not doubt that she was an amazing mother too.

Speaker 17 We spoke with Nada's oldest daughter, Aya, and she filled in the gaps for us on the true Altentawi family dynamic.

Speaker 28 My mom, she grew up in Dubai. She lived there until about like 12th grade, I want to say, and then moved to Syria, where she originally was from.
My dad was born and raised in Syria.

Speaker 28 My dad is 11 years older than my mom was. So she was 18 when they got engaged or married.

Speaker 28 And then pretty soon after they moved to the U.S., they went to Pennsylvania first so that my dad could finish up his studies with med school and all of that.

Speaker 28 But yeah, they primarily just moved to America for job opportunities, as most people typically do.

Speaker 40 Aya's father, Basil, was a physician in Michigan, getting his initial med schooling in Syria back in 1993, a little less than 25 years after the school was founded, he then finished up his fellowship and residency in America.

Speaker 17 Soon after, Basel and Nada began building their family.

Speaker 101 They started off living very traditionally, with Basil going out to work and Nada staying at home to take care of the children.

Speaker 28 My mom was an incredible person. Everyone loved her.

Speaker 28 She was like the definition of, you know, when you hear people saying that, oh, this person like, when they walk into the room, it's like a light walks into, whatever that saying is, I don't know.

Speaker 28 But she was a definition of that pretty much.

Speaker 28 She was a huge people pleaser, huge extrovert. So anything she could do to make other people happy, she would do it.
She was always there for everyone.

Speaker 28 And I think that was kind of her way of forgetting about her own troubles that were happening at home is by focusing on how she can make other people's lives better.

Speaker 28 But she was very, very, very much into the gym. I mean, I, I, she started going to the gym before I could even remember.

Speaker 28 Like, I can't tell you when she started going, but I got into the gym because of her.

Speaker 28 She ended up actually teaching at a gym that she would work at, which was really great.

Speaker 28 And I don't know. I mean, you know,

Speaker 28 when she was still alive, I was going through my like pre-teen, teen years of being,

Speaker 28 you know, a dumb teenager, essentially, and just like wanting my own space and thinking that parents are lame and I don't want to be seen seen with my parents.

Speaker 12 Though the family, as they often do, seemed to be pretty normal, happy, successful even on the outside. Tensions had been brewing for quite a while.

Speaker 17 Aya remembers that she first noticed problems in her parents' marriage becoming evident all the way back in 2011.

Speaker 28 Honestly, we didn't really see too much of it. you know, the fighting and all of that.
My parents definitely tried to keep it just between them while, you you know, my siblings and I were still kids.

Speaker 28 But as we got older and as the fighting became more tumultuous, more

Speaker 28 just happened more often, it was, it got a little bit harder to hide.

Speaker 28 I want to say the time that I started to notice things was actually when we were in Lebanon. Me, my mother, my brother, and my sister were there for a little family reunion from my mom's side.

Speaker 28 So my dad was staying in America because he had work.

Speaker 28 And I remember we were walking down like a pier and my dad or my mom got a call from my dad. And so me and my brother, we hung back with my mom while our family walked ahead of us.

Speaker 28 And she answered the phone. And I remember he,

Speaker 28 it took my mom a few minutes to like get him to calm down and, you know, figure out what was going on. But basically what had happened is he had invested a ton of money.

Speaker 28 if I remember correctly, it was a quarter of a million into stocks and he lost it all. And my mom was telling him, apparently, it was a conversation that they had had before.

Speaker 28 And he had brought it up to her, and she told him, you know, don't do it. You don't know what you're doing with money.
You don't know how to invest anything.

Speaker 28 If you want to do it, that's fine, but hire someone who actually knows what they're doing. Obviously, didn't listen to her.
So

Speaker 28 from what I remember, it kind of started there, or at least that's when I started to pick up on it.

Speaker 28 I want to say that money was a huge stressor in their relationship just because my dad wasn't smart with finances. So he didn't really know how to manage it correctly.

Speaker 28 And especially, you know, given that our family was well off, he just didn't know how to manage it and, you know, make sure that we weren't spending money frivolously.

Speaker 28 I think that was the first time that I noticed it. But then with my mom, it kind of started to pick up when she expressed wanting to get a job and start working, go back to school, that sort of thing.

Speaker 17 When they initially began the separation and divorce process in March of 2016, things changed drastically for the Altantawi family.

Speaker 17 Since Basil had moved out, Nada trimmed her budget by canceling luxuries like the maid service, and she landed the fitness instructor position so that she could bring in some income of her own.

Speaker 17 After all, she and Basil had been separated for nearly two years with no divorce finalization. Everything was all up in the air legally.

Speaker 17 Even if they considered themselves already divorced in the eyes of Islam, their chosen religion.

Speaker 28 So my parents weren't legally divorced, but in terms of religion, in our religion, they were divorced by then. That was like the very first step that they took was getting divorced religiously.

Speaker 28 Getting divorced through the American system obviously is a much longer process because you have to figure out kids and you have to figure out finances and houses and cars and whatever, all of that.

Speaker 28 But in terms of the religion, they were already divorced.

Speaker 40 Nada very quickly began the process of starting a new life without Basil.

Speaker 28 Our way of bonding was going to the gym or shopping. That was it.

Speaker 28 And for the last couple months, we purchased a new house and was completely remodeling it. So anytime she would be going over to the house and I was in high school, I'd be like, oh, I want to come.

Speaker 28 So we were doing that a lot, figuring out how I wanted to decorate my room, that sort of thing.

Speaker 99 Now, are you guys staying here?

Speaker 99 They're planning on selling the house, do you know?

Speaker 105 I think, yeah, they're selling the house. This house.

Speaker 99 They They are going to sell this house? Did your mom have any places she was moving to or been looking around or anything that you want?

Speaker 105 She's not. Not really that

Speaker 105 she told me, but yesterday I heard my sister talking about that they got a new house.

Speaker 107 So she got a new house.

Speaker 88 Oh, you did?

Speaker 107 Yeah, that's what my sister said.

Speaker 99 Do you know where that is?

Speaker 84 No.

Speaker 92 Muhammad told police that he heard his sister.

Speaker 17 talking about the new house with their mother.

Speaker 101 And that's all he knew about the situation.

Speaker 17 While it was true that his mother and sister didn't willingly tell him anything about the new house, it was not true that he found out by listening in on their conversation.

Speaker 28 No, he, I'm pretty sure he found out on his own because he was like snooping. So he would go into her room and go through papers and whatever.
He would take her phone.

Speaker 28 Essentially, he was trying to act like he was the parent.

Speaker 28 He would go through her phone, go through all her belongings, ask her where she's going, when she's coming back, who she's going to see, that sort of thing.

Speaker 28 So he, I'm pretty sure he did find out on his own.

Speaker 17 Muhammad didn't have much information about the new house, but chances were it would be smaller and quite a bit less opulent than their current abode.

Speaker 27 These kids had it made,

Speaker 17 and you know, it'd be painful for any kid to give up the amenities they were used to.

Speaker 54 It's a lot easier going from rags to riches than riches to rags, that's for sure.

Speaker 70 The Altantawi house had everything, from the custom fireplaces, high ceilings, and chandeliers to the features every teen dreams of.

Speaker 80 Their own massive bedroom with private bathrooms, high-end computers, walk-in closets, a movie theater in the basement, with a whole separate kitchen and living area, and a home gym and even a sauna.

Speaker 79 Needless to say, the house was massive enough.

Speaker 59 and had enough features to entertain the kids for days on end.

Speaker 43 They could go several days without seeing each other in person.

Speaker 17 Like over the weekend, for example.

Speaker 74 The night before his mother's death, Muhammad knew his sister Ayah was in her room only by her shuffling noises and the light that emerged through the cracks around her bedroom door.

Speaker 99 What are your sisters doing?

Speaker 88 Or do you know?

Speaker 105 My younger sister,

Speaker 105 she's going to sleep. And then my other sister shut her computer.

Speaker 107 And then I'm on the computer.

Speaker 99 So you guys didn't normally see each other the whole evening? No, I don't.

Speaker 88 Okay, you're in your room the whole time? Yeah.

Speaker 105 Uh, well, no, I went to pray to the mosque again on my bike.

Speaker 107 I came back around...

Speaker 105 So I left around 8.30 and I came back around 9.15.

Speaker 79 At 8.30, Muhammad said he left the house on his bike to visit the mosque and pray.

Speaker 68 The Altantawis were devote followers of Islam when they lived back in Syria, and they continued their practices after settling in Michigan and starting a family.

Speaker 68 They instilled the same values in their children, raising them up to be good Muslim kids.

Speaker 92 Muhammad himself seemed pretty devout for a 16-year-old, choosing to ride his bike to the mosque multiple times a day to pray instead of getting into trouble with drugs, alcohol, and girls.

Speaker 99 Now, forgive me, I'm not

Speaker 99 totally knowledgeable about your religion and stuff.

Speaker 88 Is this something you do every day or is it

Speaker 99 every day? Five times a day, yeah. Okay, so you ride your bike to the mosque.
You left the house at 8:30. And then what time do you get back? 9:15.

Speaker 88 9.15.

Speaker 99 All right. And you didn't go with your friend yesterday? Yeah.
Do the women not have to go and pray? No. They don't? I mean, it's just,

Speaker 87 I don't know.

Speaker 99 What nationality are you here? What nationality are you?

Speaker 105 I was born here, but like my ethnicity is Syrian.

Speaker 99 So the girls don't have to go to pray five times a day?

Speaker 105 Yeah, they should pray at home usually.

Speaker 99 Okay, so yeah, that's an option you can do. You can sometimes pray at home.
Okay.

Speaker 28 So we definitely, I mean, women could go to the mosque for sure. It just wasn't, I mean, with men, it's for the five daily prayers, it's mandatory to go to the mosque if you can.

Speaker 28 For women, it's if you want to, you can go. If you don't want to, you can do it at home.
It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 28 For the most part, yeah, everything that I learned about my religion did come from primarily my father. There was a little bit that I learned from my private schools, but

Speaker 13 it...

Speaker 28 wasn't stuff that like hadn't already been told to me by my father. I mean, you know, for me growing up, my parents were definitely very, very religious.

Speaker 28 That's, it was something that they, my father more so was something that they just pushed upon us. And, you know, it was fine with me.
I,

Speaker 28 the thing that I struggled with is that if I didn't understand something about the religion, I'd want to ask why and I'd want to understand before I,

Speaker 28 you know, just did things blindly. That's just how I've always been.
And whenever I would ask my dad questions, he would just say, well, that's what it says. So you just have to do it.

Speaker 28 And that wasn't really satisfactory enough for me.

Speaker 88 How long does a prayer last?

Speaker 105 I'd say maybe like 20 minutes max, like 10 minutes for the prayer, and then you have 10 minutes to talk with people, talk with friends.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 88 And then they like close the doors?

Speaker 107 No, no, no, the doors open all day. Okay.

Speaker 99 Yeah. Were you there with any friends yesterday?

Speaker 105 Yeah, no, I didn't go with them, but I saw a couple people, yeah.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 99 You're saying your mom went to bed before you left?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 99 And when you got back, she was not up.

Speaker 88 You just assumed she was asleep or whatever.

Speaker 18 Here's where this interview gets really good.

Speaker 99 So you don't know if your mom had any problems with anybody or anything like that?

Speaker 99 No.

Speaker 87 All right.

Speaker 99 So last night you went to bed about

Speaker 87 11.30. Sunday night, right?

Speaker 14 Sunday night, yeah.

Speaker 87 Now,

Speaker 99 would you know if somebody came over to the house last night?

Speaker 99 I mean, if somebody came in the house or anything, would you know?

Speaker 107 I should, yeah. Most likely, I should probably be able to pay attention.

Speaker 99 I mean, would there be like a door chime or anything like that? Yeah.

Speaker 77 Muhammad made it clear to police that he didn't hear anyone come into the house after he came in for the night.

Speaker 76 Because of their security system, he was sure he would have heard something.

Speaker 69 The four of them went to sleep for the night, and early the next morning, just after Muhammad got out of the shower, is when he told police he heard his sister scream from the patio.

Speaker 12 down below.

Speaker 70 Police then had to determine whether any of the kids knew how the security system worked, whether any of the 13 cameras had a central control panel, and if any of the cameras recorded footage rather than just displaying it live.

Speaker 108 No, we noticed that you know there's a security system here.

Speaker 99 Do you know how that works?

Speaker 105 No, no, I wasn't even like aware of that.

Speaker 98 We had more cameras in the back of the house.

Speaker 99 You weren't aware there's cameras all around the outside of the house?

Speaker 95 No.

Speaker 105 No, I knew there was like some like in the garage door door and something like that, but I didn't know any like specifics about it.

Speaker 99 Do you know the code to it? No. You don't know how to access it or anything like that? No.

Speaker 105 No one has really.

Speaker 105 I mean, just kind of there.

Speaker 107 No one used anything since we moved here.

Speaker 99 Do you know where it's kept?

Speaker 53 The code?

Speaker 99 The like the hard drive and everything for the. No.

Speaker 99 You don't know where that's kept? No.

Speaker 105 I thought it was in like the Wi-Fi room, but apparently not. This morning,

Speaker 105 you guys went to the fringe and stuff like that.

Speaker 105 Okay.

Speaker 88 Well we did we took it

Speaker 88 and it's working

Speaker 99 so everything's on video as to what

Speaker 99 transpired

Speaker 99 so we're trying to find out if you have anything that you want to say about that or

Speaker 99 I don't really know

Speaker 99 not really I mean no

Speaker 88 okay

Speaker 53 well

Speaker 88 we're 100% sure that this wasn't accidental.

Speaker 88 See what I'm saying?

Speaker 88 Okay.

Speaker 87 So

Speaker 88 we're trying to figure out is what happened and why it happened.

Speaker 99 Because watching the video, nobody leaves the house.

Speaker 99 Yeah.

Speaker 99 So there's your mother.

Speaker 14 You,

Speaker 88 your sister, and your little sister.

Speaker 99 That's what we're trying to figure figure out as to what happened.

Speaker 99 If it was an accident, if it was an argument, if it was something that was, you know,

Speaker 99 spontaneous, something accidental, that's what we need to know.

Speaker 88 Because

Speaker 99 we want to get a resolution to this. I know you do too.

Speaker 99 Actions happen all the time. You know, somebody could be helping somebody with something, holding the ladder, something like that, and something happens.
That's why we want to know what happened.

Speaker 99 And that's why we're looking to you because you're the oldest and we've watched the video.

Speaker 43 Police went into this interview having already watched the recorded footage from the security cameras.

Speaker 56 They already knew the cameras not only saved the recorded footage, but they caught crucial parts of the event in question.

Speaker 72 Muhammad didn't even know his family had that many cameras surrounding the house, let alone what they recorded at night.

Speaker 70 Muhammad's father, Basil, was nearby for this interview, and when he saw it going a certain direction, he quickly stepped in on his son's behalf.

Speaker 90 Then I came back with

Speaker 95 their routine.

Speaker 103 But now you are telling him that using that he's lying just now.

Speaker 87 He can explain it to you.

Speaker 97 He's shrouded.

Speaker 103 And my eye is the same. So I don't want them to say anything in front except I have an attorney.

Speaker 90 His underage, you know that.

Speaker 87 We know that.

Speaker 95 That's why we asked you for

Speaker 103 no, I need an attorney now. I don't want to go any further.
I have to talk to an attorney because when I came back, it blew up my mind. My daughter asked me, What's going on, Dad?

Speaker 103 Why did you let us go back to the house?

Speaker 103 So, this is actually now it's like an

Speaker 103 investigating a child here without.

Speaker 99 There was more than what was originally told to us. So, I mean, you're more than welcome to.
I mean, your son can tell you what he told us. There was more that occurred that night.

Speaker 103 He shot, my daughter shot, I am shot, we're crying day and night.

Speaker 98 He he never lied. My son never lied.
My kids never lie.

Speaker 88 I mean, he never lied.

Speaker 89 He didn't lie. He just didn't tell us everything that happened.

Speaker 88 So if someone is...

Speaker 97 His mom is dead, man.

Speaker 87 I understand.

Speaker 97 So what you're talking about,

Speaker 103 please, sir. I don't want my kids to talk to any of you anymore.

Speaker 88 I mean,

Speaker 88 I want to know everything as you want to know.

Speaker 98 But the way it is like this, I see there is something putting so much burden on side, and we are not, we didn't eat since the morning and now i come back with my daughter sister my dad while they are not

Speaker 98 like we have to get permission to get to come back to the house so she's scared and i'm scared and he's scared and confused and so this is part of our we

Speaker 99 had the timelines that didn't quite match up with what was said on the scene and what no you are talking with a child confused we're not talking about like in ten minutes or five your son is not confused

Speaker 103 and he's not a child he's a he's a 16 year old he's just not a child okay so when you say a child, it makes him seems like this.

Speaker 89 He's your child.

Speaker 72 Evidence at the crime scene did not point to an accidental fall.

Speaker 22 There was not a drop of blood on the concrete or on Nada's body when she was found, and she landed face up.

Speaker 82 What law enforcement saw on the video footage made them turn their attention directly toward Muhammad.

Speaker 12 At first, Muhammad tried to insinuate that if his mother was murdered, his 14-year-old sister, Aya, may have had something to do with it because she was allegedly awake before Muhammad was.

Speaker 67 The police quickly explained why that theory didn't quite check out.

Speaker 28 That was the first day of our second week of school, and we had to go be at like this location where a bus took us to school by 6.30.

Speaker 28 And so I had been waking up by like six at the latest to get up and get ready for school.

Speaker 28 And i'm the type of person who sets like 20 alarms each within like two minute intervals of each other so i'll i'll hear one of them at some point like i'll wake up um but my brother had been waking up at like 6 30 6 33 which is when we had to be there so we were running late because of him but um that day i didn't wake up until like 6 15, 6 20, I want to say, which was already weird.

Speaker 28 And when I woke up, my brother was already awake, which was even weirder.

Speaker 99 I mean, now's the time if we're going to, if we're going to be honest about it we gotta be honest about it now because once this gets the ball gets rolling it's up to prosecutors and stuff like that to explain something is an accident or not now's the time we need to do it yeah we know that somebody was in the room

Speaker 99 and we're about 99.9% sure it's a male that was in the room from the picture from the video but we have to slow it down and get a snapshot of it and that's what the MSP is doing right now we got it shipped off to the state lab they're going to blow it up and it's going to show who was there

Speaker 28 the security camera footage, that's when I was like, oh yeah, he did it.

Speaker 8 The footage, which, by the way, you can watch if you're a plus member, clearly shows shadows cast onto the ground from the window above.

Speaker 58 A large looming figure can be seen moving around before a smaller figure is seemingly thrust from the window and falls to the ground below.

Speaker 65 Given that Muhammad was the only male in the home that night, it was damning enough evidence to make an arrest.

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Speaker 21 The victim, a 35-year-old woman, and we're told there was plenty of family trouble there. Seven investigators, Jim Kirchner, live on Howard Road, where this happened early Monday morning.

Speaker 106 And Jim, we understand it took police a while to figure this one out.

Speaker 102 Yeah, this has been going on since Monday morning, but let me tell you, just as we're coming on the air, I just got off the phone with Farmington Hills Chief Neebus, who tells me a 16-year-old son of this victim is now in custody, is now the murder suspect being held at Children's Village here in Oakland County.

Speaker 102 That's the juvenile lockup. The chief says they got a call into 911 at 6 a.m.
Monday morning at this mansion that a woman had fallen from a second story window.

Speaker 102 But then they determined this was no accident.

Speaker 102 The autopsy is done on this victim, but they're not releasing the cause of death, and that could be because there are other injuries in addition to what would have been sustained from the fall from a second window.

Speaker 102 I asked the chief if this 16-year-old is cooperating. Is he answering police questions? The chief would not answer that.

Speaker 43 Mohamed was arrested, arraigned, and swiftly charged with second-degree murder, all in the same week.

Speaker 25 For the time being, he was to be held at Children's Village without bond, despite his lawyer's plea to the judge that Muhammad was a star student with no criminal record.

Speaker 25 The prosecutor's office had a different perspective. Muhammad had murdered his own mother while his young sisters were in the home with him.

Speaker 12 He was violent and dangerous and should be kept off the streets.

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Speaker 68 16-year-old Mohamed Altantawi had been arrested and charged with the second-degree murder of his mother, 35-year-old Nada Haraniye.

Speaker 72 And by the time November 2017 rolled around, about three months after Nada's death, the medical examiner released some damning information about the autopsy results.

Speaker 110 It was early on in their investigation that police say they realized that the death of the 35-year-old Farmington Hill's mother of three was no accident.

Speaker 110 Prosecutors say 16-year-old Mohamed Al-Tanawi murdered his mother.

Speaker 110 And today, a forensic pathologist from the medical examiner's office testified that Nada's primary cause of death was asphyxiation from smothering.

Speaker 57 You heard it right.

Speaker 43 Nada, a 135-pound grown woman, was dead before she went out the window.

Speaker 85 In your opinion, doctor, this happened before or after the body falling out of the window. My observation indicates that it happened before.

Speaker 19 I think that the positioning of her body

Speaker 15 was not what you would expect from someone falling out the window.

Speaker 77 Not only had Nada fallen face up onto the pavement, her feet faced the house.

Speaker 12 The medical examiner determined that Nada had likely been smothered with a damp towel or cloth prior to being tossed from the second story.

Speaker 43 The only reason Muhammad had thrown his mother's body out the window was to stage the scene and make it appear like an accident.

Speaker 70 And why on earth would a devoutly religious 16-year-old suddenly decide to murder his own mother. Further evidence and Aya's own first-hand testimony explain that also.

Speaker 28 The

Speaker 28 first domestic violence incident that happened, that was like one of the major ones, if not the most major, we actually didn't end up calling the police, and that wasn't allowed to be talked about in like any of the court stuff.

Speaker 28 We came back from London. My parents were arguing.

Speaker 28 My dad had my mom's phone in his hand, and they were on the phone with my mom's dad, so my grandfather, and they were sitting at the top of the stairs. She was trying to get the phone back from him.

Speaker 28 He wasn't giving it to her. So he ended up pushing her down the stairs and she like twisted her ankle really badly.
I had like a panic attack.

Speaker 28 My first panic attack ever, as far as I remember, was that night. So that was the London incident.

Speaker 28 And then about a month later, was the first recorded incident of domestic violence where the police were called and I was the one that called the police.

Speaker 28 The second one was kind of along the same lines. You know, he had her phone.
They were on the phone with her dad. He wouldn't give it back to her.

Speaker 28 He ran into their bedroom to hide and my mom was trying to push the door open.

Speaker 28 She had her hand like between the door and he like saw her hand, but then he like slammed the door anyways and he closed it on her hand. So her thumb got injured somehow.

Speaker 28 The third one was just that when the police came and took him away the first time, the time that I called, he wasn't supposed to come back, but he did anyways.

Speaker 28 So then my mom called the police and then my dad was like running through the house with my brother and they were, my brother was like talking to him in Arabic and he's like, go hide here, like they won't find you here.

Speaker 28 And then I'd be like, oh, they're hiding over here. And they would be like yelling at me.
It was really funny. But yeah, so then he got taken away that time and wasn't allowed to come back.

Speaker 64 After Basil was ordered to leave the home, Nada filed for divorce.

Speaker 40 In a separate case, Basil battled on his own.

Speaker 60 He faced charges related to Medicare fraud and two counts of healthcare fraud, which resulted in him having to spend one day in jail and pay out hundreds of thousands of dollars in restitution.

Speaker 28 Yeah, so with that, that was also something big in the family. I remember we were driving in Detroit one day.

Speaker 28 I don't remember exactly for what, but it was my entire family, both of my siblings and both of my parents. And We were passing by like the Blue Cross Blue Shield building.

Speaker 28 And my dad goes, you know, pray that these people leave me alone.

Speaker 28 This was all in Arabic, but that they like get off my back, whatever. And to me, I didn't really know too much about it at that point.

Speaker 28 But my sort of train of thought with everything in that case was, you know, obviously this is a very, very big corporation. They make a ton of money.
You're one person.

Speaker 28 You know, you run your own clinic. If you haven't been doing something so blatantly wrong, why would they be coming after you in the first place?

Speaker 28 So even though I didn't know details about it, I thought that he was guilty of whatever they were accusing him of.

Speaker 28 And so when my dad said to, you know, pray that they get off his back, my parents and my brother like were literally praying out loud. And I didn't say anything.
I kept my mouth shut.

Speaker 28 So my brother turns to me and he's like, why aren't you saying it? And I was like, I'm saying it in my head. And he's like, no, you have to say it out loud for it to count.

Speaker 28 And I was like, no, I can, you know, say it subconsciously and it'll be fine. He was like, no, you have to say it out loud so I know you're actually saying it.

Speaker 70 According to cell phone evidence, Nada was involved in a text conversation where she stated that she had information on Basel that could land him in prison for further financial crimes.

Speaker 82 Could that have added another,

Speaker 58 even more pressing element to the motive of Nada's murder?

Speaker 21 His medical license was suspended by the state of Michigan in February, state officials citing negligence, incompetence, lack of good moral character, a criminal conviction, and unethical business practices.

Speaker 21 Police say he is not involved in the murder.

Speaker 28 This is the thing that really bothered me, I think, especially like within the divorce case, is that his license was suspended. I believe it was for about six months, maybe a year.

Speaker 28 But once the term ended, he always had the option to go back and apply for it to be reinstated. It was never like a, it's done, you can never get it back type of thing.

Speaker 28 He just chose to never go and get it reinstated because he used that as a strategy in the divorce case to be like, I shouldn't have to pay child custody.

Speaker 28 I shouldn't have to pay any bills because I don't have a job.

Speaker 32 In the throes of these very adult problems, Muhammad chose aside.

Speaker 70 He was angry at his mother for divorcing his father and blamed both his sister and mother for trying to ruin his father's life.

Speaker 69 He thought that his mother was trying to take all of his father's money.

Speaker 82 And he thought Aya was trying to ruin his reputation by doing things like, oh, I don't know, calling the police.

Speaker 70 when Basil became violent.

Speaker 28 So when the police came and took my father away both times, my brother immediately just started to turn on me and my mother even more because they were like, They were both saying, you know, what are you doing to him?

Speaker 28 Like, this is my brother and my father were saying, What are you doing to my dad? Like, this is ridiculous. Like, he's done everything for you.
They're going to take him to jail, this and that.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 so, my brother felt really bad for my dad. And, like, he, when the police came and took him, like, he was bawling his eyes out.

Speaker 22 According to Ayah, Muhammad had a strained relationship with his mother and sisters even before the separation.

Speaker 74 But once Nada filed for divorce, things got much worse.

Speaker 28 So when he, when my dad wasn't allowed to come back, he literally did say that, okay, now that dad's gone, like, I'm the only man in the house. I'm the one who's in charge now.
Like, what I say goes.

Speaker 28 And that translated into everything. So what we ate, what we dressed, where we did, where we, he would just try to control everything.

Speaker 28 And when my mom, growing up, we never were really like disciplined by my mom or like grounded, things like that. Like we never had our phones taken away.
So

Speaker 28 when my brother was contacting my dad and like sending him pictures of what my mom was doing, like things like that, just being like his little spy, essentially, my dad was not allowed to have contact with any of us unless it was through like a third-party supervised person.

Speaker 28 He could request that and then they would set it up. He never requested it.
He would just. sneak my brother out.
My brother would sneak out of the house.

Speaker 28 They would see each other like that, but he never requested seeing my sister and I and I never requested to see him. So it was fine.

Speaker 28 But yeah, so my mom you know tried to take his phone away To discipline him and be like you're not supposed to be texting your dad like you can't be sneaking out of the house things like that and at that point my brother started getting really into working out and like building muscle and like taking these protein shakes and powders and whatever it was so he was

Speaker 28 a lot stronger than my mom at that point so her trying to take his phone from him and like discipline him would result in a physical altercation and so at one point she you know she knew that it wasn't gonna work out and so she just stopped.

Speaker 28 She kind of just let him do his own thing. And he just, he started to get like a, he was very, very, very short-tempered.
He was very, very assertive, very

Speaker 28 violent. And he was just always like a ticking time bomb.
You never knew what was going to set him off. You never knew when he was going to be set off, but at any moment, he could just blow up at you.

Speaker 18 Muhammad was very easily influenced and manipulated by his father, the only person he cared to try to earn approval from.

Speaker 22 During the early morning hours, the day his mother's body was found, Muhammad had numerous phone calls back and forth with Basil.

Speaker 62 This all occurred well before Muhammad told police that he was awake.

Speaker 69 Even more telling was his mother's contact name and his phone.

Speaker 75 Muhammad had her listed under B

Speaker 66 for bitch.

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 68 That's the Muslim way right there.

Speaker 64 You just call your mom a bitch.

Speaker 64 Hmm.

Speaker 76 When Muhammad finally went to trial in 2022, his charges by this point had escalated to first-degree murder, and he was being charged as an adult.

Speaker 69 His defense attorney's main argument was that Muhammad could not have pulled this off on his own.

Speaker 24 The attorney stated that it was, quote, inconceivable.

Speaker 12 that Muhammad killed Nada.

Speaker 74 The scene was set up so professionally to look like an accident both before and after the killing took place, it just couldn't have been done by a 16-year-old.

Speaker 56 Though he may not have had physical help inside the home while he set up the cleaning supplies and the ladder, events which were also backed up by the security camera footage, he may have had instruction from his own father.

Speaker 82 Why was he on the phone with his dad in those early morning hours, including times right before and right after Nada was thrown out the window?

Speaker 22 Here's another damning piece of circumstantial evidence.

Speaker 40 Both Basel and Nada were scheduled to give depositions for their divorce just two days after Nada was murdered.

Speaker 81 You might be wondering why on earth was Basil not charged with anything related to this crime.

Speaker 28 But it's not enough to convict him. I mean, it's all circumstantial, I think.
So they, I mean, they're, they wanted to get my dad more than anything. I think, I mean, I wanted that too.

Speaker 28 I was like, if you can get my dad and let my brother go free, then that's the only way, like, do it. My dad is the actual culprit of everything.
He's the one who manipulated my brother.

Speaker 28 And that's not to say that I don't blame my brother because I do.

Speaker 28 I mean, regardless of how much he was manipulated or brainwashed or whatever term you want to use, he was still at the end of the day, he was 16 years old.

Speaker 28 Even if he was eight years old, like, you know that killing someone, much less your own mother is very very wrong like that you know what is right and what's wrong so yeah he's definitely at fault but he's also

Speaker 28 not

Speaker 28 the

Speaker 28 person that's been behind everything you know like yeah he took away my mother's life and that's huge that's definitely he needs to pay for that but at the same time like my dad put my mother through years and years and years of hell and he got my brother to kill her if he had the ability to kill my mother i absolutely 100 without it out believe that he would have done it but because he couldn't do it, he had my brother do it.

Speaker 28 So,

Speaker 28 yeah, throughout the entire case, they have been trying to find anything to use to get to my dad. But they're,

Speaker 28 my dad is stupid, but he's smart in picking a scapegoat and making sure that he doesn't fall for his own actions. So, he was able to get away with it.

Speaker 61 And while his son was in prison for crimes he may have orchestrated himself, Basil went about the community begging and pleading for sympathy.

Speaker 60 And

Speaker 33 you guessed it,

Speaker 32 money.

Speaker 28 The whole not being good with finances thing didn't stop with my mom. It continued on with him.
So whenever all the money was split up, he,

Speaker 28 while my dad, while my brother was sitting in jail, okay, refusing to say a single bad word about my father, my father went on during like winter break in like December, went to Las Vegas and gambled away a quarter of a million dollars in one night.

Speaker 28 I mean, when everything was still happening, this was when I was like 16, 17, still having to do mandatory visitations with him.

Speaker 28 And people in our community still had like a good perspective of him and sympathized with him.

Speaker 28 He went around collecting money from the community saying that it was to help pay for legal fees for my brother. And people were giving him money.
Guess what he goes and does with the money?

Speaker 28 Buys a brand new sports car. So then at that point, people were like, what the hell is wrong with you? Like, we're going to stop giving you money.
It's like he's not a smart person.

Speaker 32 The same community that was silent during Nada's domestic violence violence experience initially stood up to both defend Muhammad and Basil.

Speaker 82 Funny how that happens in some communities.

Speaker 58 It took an act so blatantly ungrateful and greedy to finally turn his own community against him.

Speaker 67 All the while, Basil made the same claims over and over.

Speaker 72 His son, Muhammad, was innocent.

Speaker 98 My son never lie. My kids never lie.

Speaker 66 Apparently, to Basel,

Speaker 12 his son would never lie.

Speaker 40 But I guess we should disregard what his daughters had to say, right?

Speaker 73 Is that how that works?

Speaker 64 After all, it kind of contradicts the whole idea that Muhammad is innocent.

Speaker 28 You know, I

Speaker 28 haven't been able to be like this happened to me and my family, but I wasn't allowed to know anything about what was being said. I wasn't allowed to know anything about the trial until it was over.

Speaker 28 And so it was just everyone giving me their opinions on it. And like I said, that's fine, but you can't sit here and tell me that what I went through is incorrect.
Like I, I lived through it.

Speaker 28 You didn't, you know, and so I wouldn't just re-emphasizing, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be doing this if there was no reason to be doing this.

Speaker 28 You know, I don't, I didn't wake up one day and decide, hey, let me go ruin my brother and my father's life. Like, no, they did that to themselves.
It's the consequences of their own actions.

Speaker 28 Maybe they didn't expect to be caught or they didn't expect to have repercussions, but like, wake up, you're, you're an adult.

Speaker 28 This is what happens when you do things like this. You get in trouble for it.
So I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 28 I've, I've made my peace with everything. I've put it all behind me.
I've moved on.

Speaker 28 This is to me just another step in my healing journey is, you know, actually being able to give my voice and tell people everything that I went through and my mother has gone through as opposed to just having everyone be like, oh, this is what you went through and this isn't what you went through.

Speaker 81 Basil himself is someone who seems to be preoccupied with getting money, either legally or illegally, and spending it frivolously.

Speaker 17 He used Islam as a way to control people around him and keep them under his thumb.

Speaker 77 He was very quote unquote old school or extreme in the belief system he taught his family.

Speaker 28 My dad,

Speaker 28 in the trial and like everything, every aspect of his life was very, very religious, very, very cultural.

Speaker 28 If our religion or our culture said something that contradicted like American law, you listen to the religion, you ignore the American law. Like, that's to the extent that he was at with it.
And so,

Speaker 28 you know, a lot of things that were said online is that we were forced to like dress a certain way, or we couldn't work because of the religion. And none of that is true.

Speaker 28 I mean, my dad had an issue with the way that I dressed, and it wasn't even like breaking religious guidelines at that point at all. But that was just more of a cultural thing.
Same with working.

Speaker 28 There's nothing in our religion at all that says that woman can't work. But I think for him, he just used that as a tactic to maintain control over us.

Speaker 28 And so, and he was just very, very old school in his thinking.

Speaker 28 I mean, I remember when I brought up telling him that I was going to go to college one day and I was still in middle school at this point.

Speaker 28 He responded that, no, you know, we'll, we'll discuss it when you get to that point. And I said, okay, like, yeah, for sure.
But just so you know, like, I am going to go to college.

Speaker 28 I'm going to become a lawyer. And he's like, No, you know, your job as a woman is just to stay home and take care of the kids.
And once again, like, nothing about the religion says that.

Speaker 28 If anything, our religion emphasizes women having financial and like just independence in their life in general, not having to be reliant on anyone.

Speaker 28 And so, whatever you do to get to that point, great. My dad was just, no, women have to stay home, men are in control, and that's about it.

Speaker 28 Anything that kind of, I guess, like in the media was portrayed as us becoming more Americanized, anything that kind of made it seem that that was the case, he was very much against.

Speaker 28 And it was kind of ironic to me when I first saw the very first time I read a headline that said that he had issues with us becoming Americanized.

Speaker 28 I just kind of laughed to myself because I was like, if you had issues with us becoming Americanized, why would you move to America to start your family? You know, like, just.

Speaker 28 What are you expecting? Especially given that he was born and both of them were born and raised in Syria. That's where they grew up.

Speaker 28 You should know that when you move to America and you give birth to your kids in America and that's where they're being raised, they're going to adapt things that

Speaker 28 they see around them and their culture and the environment. So obviously it's going to be, our upbringing is going to be extremely different.

Speaker 28 If you were going to have such an issue with it, you shouldn't have moved to America in the first place. That's kind of on you.

Speaker 28 So I'm not religious.

Speaker 28 I do practice some aspects of it, but it definitely... just doesn't have anything to do with my father.

Speaker 28 I think it just for me, relearning the actual religion itself as opposed to what my father has taught me, which is a very twisted version of it.

Speaker 58 The same grandiose and manipulative attitudes followed both Basil and Muhammad into the courtroom in early 2022.

Speaker 64 A jury deliberated for just a few hours before finding Muhammad guilty of his crimes.

Speaker 72 When sentencing rolled around, Muhammad 21 years old by this time, decided to fire his legal team and represent himself.

Speaker 58 During his sentencing hearing, both Muhammad and his father caused numerous disturbances.

Speaker 63 Muhammad himself wasted hours of time raising objections to words and phrases that were used in his pre-sentencing investigation report.

Speaker 74 Some of his objections related to the portrayal of his family's Syrian culture and their faith in Islam, claiming law enforcement was prejudiced and bigoted.

Speaker 68 How many times have we heard this shit before?

Speaker 75 He brought up his father's domestic violence history and explained why he thought it was all unfair and untrue.

Speaker 68 And he even tried to challenge a report that referenced a time police were called to the house because Muhammad was, quote, playing with knives.

Speaker 80 He thought that was irrelevant, I guess.

Speaker 58 You'd think with nearly five years to think about what he'd done, Muhammad would have found some crumbs of virtue left inside of him, somewhere rattling around.

Speaker 82 Something to bring forth and finally take accountability for what he had done.

Speaker 66 But I guess for some people, that's asking for far, far too much.

Speaker 111 Well, this past March, a jury needed just three hours to find Altantawi guilty of first-degree premeditated murder. He says he's innocent.
Pamela Osborne has been following today's hearing.

Speaker 18 This did not go smoothly, Pam.

Speaker 12 It did not.

Speaker 112 There were several outbursts in that courtroom today. It took the judge four more hours to even get to the sentencing part.

Speaker 1 Here's a look at some of what played out in court.

Speaker 25 Five years ago, I got arrested for, as I said,

Speaker 108 the worst crime imaginable.

Speaker 12 Oh, man.

Speaker 113 And for her to die at 35 years old, a terrible death by any means. MDOC's requested sentence for 40 to 80 years.

Speaker 108 I don't care.

Speaker 28 I don't know, but honestly, I don't know what you would want to see from it because it was just four hours of him rambling.

Speaker 28 Like for until we actually got to the sentencing part, it was literally four hours of him rambling. It was ridiculous.
I was falling asleep. I was playing games on my phone.

Speaker 28 Like, I was, I didn't want to be there. I was like, I thought I was showing up to say my piece, hear his sentencing, and then leave.
I didn't expect to be here for the entire day. So,

Speaker 28 yeah, no, it was, it was a mess.

Speaker 43 Muhammad maintained his innocence throughout the hearing, exclaiming that someday his conviction would be overturned.

Speaker 12 A lot of arrogance there.

Speaker 22 I guess that's pretty obvious.

Speaker 43 When it came time for victim impact statements, Basil Alton Tawi took the stand, speaking not about the true victim in this crime, but about his

Speaker 63 oh-so-innocent son.

Speaker 108 He was a loving, and he's still a loving, caring, supportive human being.

Speaker 85 That he's been convicted, wrongfully

Speaker 85 convicted. Also, that impacted me.

Speaker 19 And his sister. That's not what the victim impacts me.

Speaker 10 He, I said, he, not I.

Speaker 19 But if he's talking about you, sir, he's referring to you as a victim. You are not the victim here.

Speaker 30 His mother wasn't taken away.

Speaker 12 She wasn't killed. He murdered her.

Speaker 100 Murdered her.

Speaker 16 And the evidence backed it up.

Speaker 72 A jury took no time at all to convict.

Speaker 70 And this judge did not have a good impression of Muhammad or his father.

Speaker 81 Not after that massive waste of time in the courtroom.

Speaker 67 As a result, she handed down a sentence of 35 to 60 years in prison.

Speaker 28 I really liked her. I thought she was really fair.
I talked to the prosecutors about, you know, why she gave him somewhat of a lighter sentence.

Speaker 28 It wasn't a light sentence by any means, but it wasn't the maximum. And she was being really strategic because everyone knows that my brother is going to appeal the case.

Speaker 28 And I was also asking why she let him ramble on for like five hours. But yeah, it was all part of strategy, I guess.
And she knew that he was going to appeal.

Speaker 28 So she didn't want to give him any basis that he could. appeal the case on and have the verdict be overturned or have the sentence be shortened.

Speaker 28 So by letting him ramble, by letting him say anything anything and everything he wants to say, he can't go back later and be like, oh, well, the judge wouldn't let me speak, or she wasn't letting me represent myself.

Speaker 28 And then, with the sentencing, nobody can be like, oh, well, you gave him the maximum sentence, and for whatever reason, that wasn't fair. She gave him a fair sentencing, very fair trial.

Speaker 28 So he has no leg to stand on in terms of the appeal.

Speaker 68 If all of his future parole hearings result in denials, Muhammad may end up spending the entire next 60 years in prison.

Speaker 12 Chances are though, some parole officer will let him out. Poor kid, right?

Speaker 64 Give him another chance.

Speaker 57 I mean, all he did was murder his own mother.

Speaker 66 As for Aya, she moved on to bigger and better things, and is still planning to go to law school.

Speaker 43 Because all of this happened when Aya was just 14,

Speaker 64 She and her sister were put into foster care.

Speaker 60 At some point, Aya aged out of the system.

Speaker 73 Her little sister was placed back in the care of their father, where she remains today.

Speaker 28 Yeah, I don't get sucked her at all.

Speaker 28 For the first, until I was 17, around that age, I had to do court-mandated supervised visits with my father. And so he would sometimes bring my little sister.

Speaker 28 And yeah, there was like no safety risk, but

Speaker 28 You know, you can tell that she wasn't being cared for. I mean, hygiene with her was non-existent.
She was, she had gained a lot of weight.

Speaker 28 In the summer, she'd be wearing like winter rain boots, things like that. She wasn't being taken care of, but do I think he was being abusive to her? No.

Speaker 28 But so yeah, so he would bring her every now and then, but he would be brainwashing her as well to hate me.

Speaker 28 So when he would get up to go to the bathroom or something, she would turn to me and be like, my dad said that you're a liar and that I have to hate you. So I hate you.
Like things like that.

Speaker 28 And I'd sit there and be like, okay. So yeah, basically I haven't, I haven't talked to her since I was like 17.

Speaker 28 last i heard which was at the sentence saying he was living with my little sister in his friend's house so like he's not living a good life

Speaker 60 he may not be living a good life right now but bossel still has just a suspended medical license as far as we know he could renew it at any time and resume his career as a physician.

Speaker 12 Think about that.

Speaker 64 Next time you go in for a checkup.

Speaker 68 Let's hope that his reputation precedes him, though, in all of his future endeavors.

Speaker 28 This entire time, I have always heard, well, he's your brother, he's your dad, like they love you. They would never do this to you.
Like, why are you doing this to them?

Speaker 28 Once again, why would I do this to them if it wasn't true? You know, like they're my family.

Speaker 28 I wouldn't make up lies to this extent about anyone, much less my own brother and my father, if it wasn't true. You know, like,

Speaker 28 I'm not a child. My brother's spending his life in jail.
I haven't had contact with my dad in years. That's not by choice.

Speaker 28 It's because that is what's best for me considering what they've put me through. So it just, I mean,

Speaker 28 everyone obviously is entitled to their own opinions, but no one has the right to sit here and tell me that, well, you, you don't know what you're talking about or you're making things up or your feelings are invalid because you didn't live with my family.

Speaker 28 I grew up when I was raised by them. Like this is, this is my family.
Unless you have lived with them, you don't know what actually went on behind closed doors.

Speaker 28 You only saw what we wanted you to see, and that's about it. So, you have your opinion.

Speaker 28 Yeah, you can voice it, but it's completely invalid if you're telling me that I'm wrong about what I went through. You know?

Speaker 80 Aya's entire family of five have been ripped to shreds.

Speaker 91 Muhammad and his father both seem to have blamed Nada for the initial dissolution of their family unit.

Speaker 58 But how then, I ask,

Speaker 12 could they possibly have thought in their stupid little brains that murdering her would solve the problem?

Speaker 66 How fucking idiotic!

Speaker 74 Muhammad Altantawi may have been a miner when he killed his own mother, but he knew exactly what he was doing.

Speaker 24 It's just that getting caught wasn't part of the plan.

Speaker 70 Depending on when you hear this, you may or may not already know.

Speaker 43 Episode two of Sword and Scale Television drops May 1st.

Speaker 56 It's really a fucked up story.

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Speaker 83 Hey, Mike, Mark Waus here from Clarkston, Michigan. I've been with you since season one, but unfortunately only became a member in 2023.
Anyway, I wanted to tell you how much I love the show.

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Speaker 83 have a job that they are good at, but they don't know it at the time.

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Speaker 83 production skills on Sword and Scale is the job you are destined for. There is no other podcast that comes close to you.
I've listened to a lot of them and they're garbage.

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I look forward to many more years of enjoyment and I hope you stay safe and I just love what you guys do. Take care, my friend.

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