Messianic Checkpoint: The Gospel of Luke (with Jeff Cavins) (2025)

Speaker 1 Hi, my name is Father Mike Schmitz, and you're listening to the Bible in a year podcast, where we encounter God's voice and live life through the lens of Scripture.

Speaker 1 The Bible in a Year podcast is brought to you by Ascension.

Speaker 1 Using the Great Adventure Bible timeline, we'll read all the way from Genesis to Revelation, discovering how the story of salvation unfolds and how we fit into that story today.

Speaker 1 It is an introduction to the messianic fulfillment, and it is our fourth Messianic checkpoint. And so we finally have reached the gospel of St.
Luke.

Speaker 1 And so that means today we get to be joined by Jeff Cavins once again. So grateful for this.
But before that, I just want to let you know that today's sponsor of this episode is Hallow.

Speaker 1 It's the largest and fastest growing app in the world with millions of Catholics using it to grow deeper in their relationship with God. You can listen to all Bible into your episodes on Hallow.

Speaker 1 You can also add background noises like rain or Gregorian chant. You can adjust the speed so it goes really, really fast or even really, really slow.

Speaker 1 You can track your streak and even journal your takeaways. Hallow also offers thousands of meditations to help you deepen your prayer life and find peace in God.

Speaker 2 They've got everything from a daily rosary, daily gospel, daily saint, meditations for anxiety and stress, Bible stories to help you fall asleep, peaceful Christian music, Gregorian chant, challenges for Lent and Advent, and so much more.

Speaker 2 You can pray and reflect with everyone from myself, Father Mike, Bishop Barron, Jonathan Roomy, Father Mark Mary, Dr. Scott Hahn, Sister Miriam, Leah Darrow, and many, many more.

Speaker 1 Hallow is rooted in the Catholic faith, but it's an incredible resource for any Christian looking to deepen their relationship with God. You don't have to just take our word for it.

Speaker 1 You can download it yourself today on the App Store and give it a try. There is a completely free version of the app with a ton of great content.

Speaker 1 But if you want to unlock the full set of thousands of meditations for free, you can go to hallow.com/slash Bible in a year for a free three-month trial.

Speaker 1 So that's hallow.com/slash Bible in a year for a free three-month trial. That being said, Jeff, welcome.

Speaker 2 And we're talking about Luke today. Yes, we are.
And you know what? It literally feels like just yesterday that we began all of this. And here we are.

Speaker 2 We're in the New Testament. It's the final gospel of the four.

Speaker 2 And oh, what an adventure. What an adventure.
Let me ask you, Father, because no one interviews you.

Speaker 2 What do you think so far about all of this?

Speaker 1 Oh, I think this has been an incredible journey. One of the things that keeps coming back every time I record an episode, and also every time I listen, because I do listen as well,

Speaker 1 I'm not just a, what's it, what's it called? I'm not just the president. I'm also the client.
I'm not the president, but you know what I'm saying. Who's that guy?

Speaker 2 You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 That commercial for the shaver?

Speaker 2 No, I don't, but perhaps we could talk about Luke.

Speaker 2 Maybe we'll talk about Luke.

Speaker 1 Okay, back to our, I will not only, you know, read this, but also listen. And one of the things that strikes, that was great.

Speaker 1 One of the things that strikes me is,

Speaker 1 you know, I did the Great Great Adventure Bible timeline that you had created, and I'm so grateful for that.

Speaker 1 I've told so many people, even in the last week, I've told people that while I was an undergrad major in theology, and then I went to five years of seminary, so nine years total studying theology, studying philosophy, and studying scripture, when I went through your Great Adventure Bible timeline, that was the one class, essentially, like a class where I finally was, I thought, oh my gosh, that makes sense now.

Speaker 1 All the little pieces that I had gotten in all these other classes and all these other schools, all of a sudden it all made sense.

Speaker 1 And so today, when we're hitting the gospel of Luke, this is the gospel that you use when it comes to the Great Adventure Bible timeline.

Speaker 1 It's not the Gospel of Mark or Matthew or John, but it's the Gospel of Luke into Acts. And I just thought, here we are.
Finally, you know, after all these days, after all this time.

Speaker 1 We're back here and in this place where we get to see the fulfillment of everything we've been listening to up till now.

Speaker 2 Right. And, you know, you mentioned the Great Adventure Bible study that comes in an eight-part version and a 24-week version, which is the long, you know, kind of journey through the entire Bible.

Speaker 2 And it's a great thing to do after Bible in a year. If people are looking to go deeper, then

Speaker 2 start a group. You know, start a group in your church, in your home, and go deep into scripture.
And at the same time, keep going through the Bible in a year again. I mean, soak yourself in scripture.

Speaker 2 What's happening nationwide, I would say worldwide right now with Catholics in the Bible is historical. I mean, Catholics are studying the Bible more than ever and

Speaker 2 sharing Christ with people more than ever. And it's just a great time to be alive.
But yeah, Luke, Luke, people always ask, what's your favorite gospel? And I usually say Matthew until I come to Luke.

Speaker 2 And then I say, you know, it's probably Luke.

Speaker 2 But one of the reasons I like Luke so much is that originally Luke and Acts were one book, and then they were divided up for the purpose of keeping John as the fourth in the synoptics, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, with synoptics meaning they all seem to come from the same source, same view.

Speaker 2 It was divided up, but he states his purpose in writing the gospel very, very clearly at the beginning, and he says he wanted to compile a carefully researched history of the life of Jesus.

Speaker 2 And so it's like a biography, really, you know, of Jesus. And he's got the pedigree, too.
Not only was he a physician, but he was a companion of Paul.

Speaker 2 And he was, this is a good trivia question, Father, who is the most prolific author in the New Testament?

Speaker 1 I would guess Paul.

Speaker 2 Ah, Luke.

Speaker 1 Is it really?

Speaker 2 Yes, it actually is. But you said he had more chapters.
Yes, you gave the answer, though, that most people would. Paul has more letters, but

Speaker 2 back to seminary.

Speaker 2 Honestly, I told you I didn't learn much in school, so that's my defense. Well, Paul has more books, but

Speaker 2 Luke has more content

Speaker 2 there. And so it was originally one book, and I love the way he begins.
He's writing to a guy called Theophilus, which literally means loved by God. He says, oh, most excellent Theophilus.

Speaker 2 And the question is always going to come up, who's Theophilus? Nobody knows. There's a lot of guesses about it, even

Speaker 2 the guess that it belongs to generic Christians, people who love God. This is to you, you know.
So if we don't know who Theophilus is, we will read it as it's addressed to me, addressed to you.

Speaker 1 Which is another great way to read the Bible in the first place.

Speaker 2 Exactly, exactly. So what makes this gospel different than the others? Well, it is part of the group of synoptic gospels, but there are some things that make it different.
For example,

Speaker 2 Luke really focuses on Jesus the man, or or as some people have said, Jesus the ideal man.

Speaker 2 Now, we know that he is God and he's man, the hypostatic union, he's one person, two natures, and that human nature is really brought out in Luke, the humanity of Jesus.

Speaker 2 You know, it talks about him growing in wisdom and stature and favor with God. It talks about his temptation.

Speaker 2 He physically touches a leper. Sweat like drops comes from his head in Gethsemane, and he even eats a meal after the resurrection.
So there's this real emphasis on the humanity of Jesus. And then

Speaker 2 as a Gentile, I forgot to tell you that, Luke was a Gentile doctor.

Speaker 2 And as a Gentile doctor, he seems to notice things that the other gospel writers didn't write about, like the outsiders, the Gentiles, the unexpected person in the narrative, like Zacchaeus, you know, the tax collector and the Good Samaritan and the prodigal son.

Speaker 2 And so for those that feel like maybe you're an outsider and you're not a part, well, Luke's a good book because he's going to draw you in and he's going to share with you the outsider's view and how they became a member of the household of God.

Speaker 2 So I like that about him.

Speaker 1 I also love that he has

Speaker 1 so many parables. I mean, there's parables in each of the gospels, but

Speaker 1 I just, there are parables that are unique, right, to Luke that aren't necessarily found in the other three gospels.

Speaker 2 Right. In fact, there's 10 of them.
There's 10 parables that are limited to Luke's gospel. You've got the parable of the two debtors, chapter seven.

Speaker 2 You've got the parable of the friend at midnight in 11, parable of the rich fool.

Speaker 2 parable of punishment, parable of barren trees, lost coins, shrewd managers, rich man and Lazarus, the persistent widow, and the Pharisee and the tax collector. So you're right.
In fact, in,

Speaker 2 I think it's chapter eight. Yeah, chapter eight, he even gives the meaning and why he's telling parables, that it is for the insider.
It's for the people who are following him.

Speaker 2 They're going to get it. And to the people on the outside, it's kind of a kind of a mystery.
But parables

Speaker 2 were, I should say, a very popular way for rabbis to teach in the first century. And I think we mentioned this before, but what parables do is they draw everybody in like a stadium.

Speaker 2 Everybody's going to sit around and listen to it. But by the time he gets done, you're going to feel like he's only talking to you.
And your next word is, why are you pointing me out here?

Speaker 2 You know, you drew me in. You fooled me.
You're talking about me. And I think that that is.

Speaker 2 In fact, I even did that on

Speaker 2 one of my podcasts. I mentioned, is Jesus talking about you? Right.
You know, is, yes, he is.

Speaker 1 Answer. The answer.
Yes, most likely.

Speaker 2 right right well you know a couple of other things father that i think are really powerful in the uh gospel of luke is in chapter one we have one of the uh stories of the visitation and the visitation is of course really important when it comes to the to the rosary but what luke does he is masterful masterful uh

Speaker 2 When he writes about the visitation of Mary visiting Elizabeth, he is showing you something on the surface. Yes, she's visiting Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 But if you really look under the hood here, you'll see that he is mirroring 2 Samuel 6. And 2 Samuel 6 is where David brings the Ark of the Covenant into Jerusalem for the first time.
time.

Speaker 2 And so you have almost identical statements in chapter one where, you know, it says that in those days, Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country.

Speaker 2 And then in 2 Samuel 6, David arose and went to the hill country. And then the child leaped in her womb.
Little John the Baptist leaped in her womb. And with David, he

Speaker 2 leapt before the Ark of the Covenant, you know, and that's really what the focus is. And then it goes on and Elizabeth says, and why is this granted me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Speaker 2 And David says, of the ark, how is it that the ark of the Lord has come to me? And then the fourth parallel is that

Speaker 2 she stayed with Elizabeth three months. And in 2 Samuel 6, the ark stayed at the house of Obedi-Edom

Speaker 2 for three months. In other words, what Luke is saying is, guys,

Speaker 2 she is the new Ark of the Covenant, and out of her womb comes the living word, comes

Speaker 2 the word incarnate, and the great high priest, the three things that were in the Ark of the Covenant.

Speaker 1 So he is masterful at this it's just incredible to see that and to realize that this isn't just uh this isn't kind of like a you have to squint and kind of cock your head to the side to see this this is a clear recapitulation this is a clear fulfillment of the old ark of the old covenant is now fulfilled in this new ark of the new covenant and just yeah it's remarkable incredible Yeah, and I would just say, you know, to all of our friends here that are going through this, number one, yay, you're, you're, you're in there.

Speaker 2 And that's just really, really good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, great job. The second thing is that when you read the New Testament, always keep in mind the Old Testament because all of Scripture is Christocentric.

Speaker 2 But when we really get down under the literal meaning, what the author wanted to say, we are looking for what's called the allegorical sense, or how does this relate to Jesus and his family, you know, his mother and so forth, his kingdom.

Speaker 2 And this is one of the great examples of it.

Speaker 2 In light of

Speaker 2 everything that's happening in the world right now, I think it's also interesting that Luke, more than the other gospels, has such a tremendous emphasis on the role of women in the Bible.

Speaker 2 You know, you've got, of course, the Blessed Virgin Mary, you've got Elizabeth, Anna. They're prominent figures.
You've got Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Susanna, and

Speaker 2 they're mentioned as people who supported Jesus financially

Speaker 2 in his ministry.

Speaker 2 And so there is such a role here for women in, like, for example, Anna, the prophetess, upon seeing Jesus becomes really the first evangelist to shout out the good news of deliverance in his name.

Speaker 2 And she's like a prophetess. So women play such a great role in the Gospel of Luke.

Speaker 1 Which is, again, as you said, so heartening and so encouraging because, or even those who accompanied him, those who supplied for his needs, that sense of, there's a number of women who are mentioned,

Speaker 1 as you mentioned, Susanna, Mary, Magdalene, and not only that, but also this recognition that Luke is also interested in those who are on the fringes, like those who are, I mean, just like Jesus was interested in those who are on the fringes.

Speaker 1 Jesus was interested in going to those people who

Speaker 1 would not be normally comfortable. or wouldn't be necessarily accepted or acceptable when it came to the normal religious practices.

Speaker 1 And that's one of the things it keeps coming back to me again and again, that if Jesus is the fulfillment of the prophets, here's John, you know, the last of the prophets, but here's Jesus, who is truly a prophet as well.

Speaker 1 You know, he's identified as a prophet, that he's going to have some prophet-like words for people. And he does have prophet-like words.

Speaker 1 I mean, we spent 90 days going through the prophets here in the Bible and here. And so we know what prophets often sound like.
They don't always give encouraging words.

Speaker 1 They do sometimes, but they also give words that are just, these are the words of truth that need to be spoken so that people can hear and repent.

Speaker 1 And Jesus offers those words here in the Gospel of Luke as well, which is just, it's, it's good for us to hear because I think sometimes we have our particular, maybe we'll say, version of Jesus.

Speaker 1 And that version of Jesus can maybe just agree with everything I agree with.

Speaker 1 And he doesn't like the things I don't like and he likes the things I do like, as opposed to really listening to the real Jesus here in the Gospels.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you mentioned people on the fringe. I think all of us could say one time or another, we were on the fringe.
You know, I was on the outside kind of looking in.

Speaker 2 And as we mentioned earlier, Zacchaeus, Good Samaritan prodigal son, it's a place of hope. It's a point of hope.

Speaker 2 And for people who have sons and daughters who are far away from the Lord, and that's probably one of the most popular or numerous questions I get. And I'm sure you do too.

Speaker 2 And that is, my son left the church. My daughter left the church.
What do I do?

Speaker 2 well luke's a good gospel for that i mean luke's a good gospel period luke's a good gospel because you've got people who are like your son are like your daughter like zacchaeus and good samaritan prodigal son and in a moment their lives changed They changed and they returned to the father's house.

Speaker 2 They came and had dinner with with Jesus.

Speaker 2 And they entered the drama, like the Good Samaritan, the unpredictable, the one that wasn't going to be a part of it. So I would encourage people in that as well.

Speaker 2 Another theme, Father, that really sticks out in this gospel is the picture of Jesus. in prayer.
Jesus in prayer, more than any of the other gospels.

Speaker 2 You know, he prays at the beginning of his ministry in chapter three and its close in chapter 23. He prays all night before selecting the apostles.
He prays when he's exalted.

Speaker 2 He prays when he's humiliated. The Lord prays when he is confessed and before Peter denies him.
I mean, you can go on and on.

Speaker 2 And then as a result of this, in chapter 11, the disciples basically are begging him, teach us how to pray.

Speaker 2 We want to pray like you pray. And I think that after our friends are going through the Gospel of Luke, take note of that.
And you too ask God, teach me to pray.

Speaker 2 Of course, he does in the gospel, but I think it's always good to use the example of Jesus in prayer and adopt that in our own lives.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's always so true. And especially even the example of the apostles or the disciples saying, asking, teach us how to pray.
Like you pointed out, we have a bunch of students here

Speaker 2 who

Speaker 1 I don't, I think some of our focused missionaries must have taught it to them because I guess I know that I myself didn't personally teach this unless they got it out of the scripture itself.

Speaker 1 But whenever I say, hey, would someone lead us in prayer? Or even I'm just meeting with someone and say, would you lead us, you know, in prayer?

Speaker 1 One of the first things that comes out of their mouth is oftentimes the words, come, Lord Jesus, teach us how to pray. Or come, Holy Spirit, teach us how to pray.

Speaker 1 And I just think, oh, that is so good. That instinct that asks, just like the disciples asked Jesus, Lord, teach us how to pray.

Speaker 1 That every time we begin those, those prayers, just so powerful to be able to.

Speaker 1 be reminded that we're in that place.

Speaker 1 We're in that place of beginners, in that place of learning and knowing that it's the Holy Spirit who teaches us how to pray because we don't know how to pray as we ought.

Speaker 2 And even pray for your enemies. Yeah.
Pray for your enemies. Another point that's interesting here is in Luke 8, Luke chapter 8, Jesus makes a statement that is really kind of eye-opening.

Speaker 2 And, you know, they said, your brothers, your mother is here and so forth. He says, my family is comprised of those who hear my word and do it.
These are my mother, my brothers, my sisters.

Speaker 2 And for me, that is so powerful to know that

Speaker 2 I am drawn closer in a familial way, a family way to Jesus by not only hearing his word, but by doing his word.

Speaker 2 And I would say, you know, for all of our friends who are going through Bible in a year, do you want to get closer to Jesus? You want to feel like kin?

Speaker 2 Well, do his word, listen to his word, and do his word. It's not just listening and doing, but it is moving closer to him.

Speaker 1 That's a really good, great, great point, especially how many people ask the question, how do I get closer? How do I feel closer to the Lord?

Speaker 1 And the answer is, well, it's not just a feeling, obviously.

Speaker 1 But like you're saying, those who hear the word and act on it, those who hear the word and do it are family, regardless of feeling, regardless of emotion, regardless of all those other subjective factors, objectively speaking, Jesus is saying, it's just like how in the Gospel of John, he says, if you love me, you'll keep my commandments.

Speaker 1 Again, that sense of the, you'll do what I, do what I ask you, do what I say.

Speaker 2 Right. So you have chapter eight and his family.
And then in chapter nine, it even moves further down the road into from family to discipleship.

Speaker 2 And he talks about in chapter nine, the price or the cost of discipleship.

Speaker 2 And that cost, that price of being not only family, but being a disciplined follower of his is that you have to pick up your cross and follow him.

Speaker 2 And that's not 24 carat. That

Speaker 2 the reason, although they're nice, but that is the cross. How he lived, you live.
He suffered, you suffer. The obstacles that you face, you're going to face.

Speaker 2 How he was treated, you just might be treated that way as well. And that is, you know, you're talking about your students in college.
That is a great truth to take to heart.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then he even reiterates that in chapter 14, where he says, if anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Speaker 1 He goes to bear, you know, it doubles down. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.

Speaker 1 And that sense of being able to come back to this, this truth, I mean, I remember when I first read this as, as a teenager, and it just struck me. I was like, okay, these three things, deny yourself.

Speaker 1 pick up your cross and follow me as the conditions for the soul.

Speaker 1 You know, I saw the header on that little subsection of the gospel and just, it struck me as, okay, this is what has to, has to be part of my life if I'm going to be a disciple of Jesus.

Speaker 1 And I can't say that I was overjoyed about it, but at the same time, it was very clear. And I think that that gave me a lot of consolation, the fact that this is very clear.

Speaker 1 Deny yourself, pick up your cross, and follow me.

Speaker 1 Because those last words, the first two, right, deny yourself, pick up your cross, important, obviously necessary.

Speaker 2 But the third piece being, and follow me,

Speaker 1 is is just to be wanted by the Lord, to hear him say, I want you to follow me.

Speaker 1 I think it helps the first two

Speaker 1 become palatable, at least capable of doing that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, I think if he, if he asked you and me and our friends who are listening to follow him, I imagine that following anybody else on Instagram or anything else would not be that important right anymore.

Speaker 2 I've got the one that I'm following here. He's, you know, he's my king and he's my Lord.

Speaker 2 Oh, I know that you love this chapter too, and that is chapter 24 towards the end here. The Emma

Speaker 2 Road. The Emmaus Road experience is the, and get this, it's the only Gentile writer.
And the Gentile writer is explaining the inner workings of the Mass, the liturgy of

Speaker 2 the Word and the liturgy of the Eucharist. And

Speaker 2 I love that story, of course,

Speaker 2 recalling it. You have Clopas and somebody else, they're walking away from Jerusalem.
They don't know that Jesus has risen from the dead. Their heads are hung low.

Speaker 2 And by the way, my friends, if your head is hung low, maybe you're not recognizing that he has risen from the dead. He is Lord.
He's on the throne. So

Speaker 2 you have them walking away, and then Jesus joins them. And I love it because people say, well, does God have a sense of humor?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he does. Here's these people walking away.
It's like, hey, what are you guys talking about? Are you the only one that doesn't know? Are you deep?

Speaker 2 About what? About Jesus, Nazareth. And

Speaker 2 then what does he do? He sits down and gives them the Bible study of. all Bible studies.

Speaker 2 When our friends get to this one, chapter 24, this this is it.

Speaker 2 This is the CD set I wish I had, you know, because he goes into the Old Testament and he explains throughout the entire Old Testament. He explains why the Messiah, the Son of Man, had to suffer.

Speaker 2 I think that's interesting. You know, of all the themes that he would spend that entire day teaching on, he teaches on suffering, which I think goes back to Luke 9, the cost of discipleship.

Speaker 2 Well, anyway, he goes,

Speaker 2 I'm not going to tell you the end of of the story. I'll spoil it.
You don't want to spoil it. You don't want to ruin it for us.

Speaker 2 But yeah, but he goes, he has a meal with them in the breaking of the bread, which is the same really as the liturgy of the Eucharist. Their eyes are open and they see him.

Speaker 2 And that is such a beautiful message for us today in that in the Eucharist, just like in Luke 24, you want your eyes opened? Go to Mass. You know,

Speaker 2 you want to see life the way it really is? Go to Mass. Do you want to know the truth? Go to Mass.

Speaker 2 It'll It'll transform you like it did this couple that was walking and then they returned to Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 You know, so everybody that's listening right now and you are walking away, I would encourage you to go back and meet Jesus in the Eucharist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just, it's just, so we, every summer, we have a, well, every third summer, we put on a camp for junior high students. And

Speaker 1 Every third summer, we just walk through Luke 24. And

Speaker 1 the whole week is this journey with Cleopas and we call her Mrs. Cleopas because it's like, maybe, you know, there was Mary, the wife of Cleopas.
Maybe that's who he was traveling with.

Speaker 1 People think so, yeah. The person's unnamed, but

Speaker 2 that sense of,

Speaker 1 like you're saying, that we experience a brokenness in our lives. We are dejected.
They were so disappointed. We had hoped that he would be the one to redeem Israel.
And just that we had hoped.

Speaker 1 Not we're hoping, not we're going to hope, but we used to. We had hoped.
And no, now there's hope no longer. And gosh, and Jesus has this incredible surprise for them.

Speaker 1 And it's not merely the surprise of one-time meeting, a one-time being able to encounter him and see him again, but it is this surprise that they will re-enact and

Speaker 1 they will re-re-live every single Sunday, every single Lord's Day, whenever they are encountering the mass again, which is just, it was for us too.

Speaker 1 that that sense of in our hopelessness, in our brokenness. What does Jesus do? He shows up, breaks open the word, and then the word made flesh is given to us in the Eucharist.
Yeah, so good.

Speaker 2 I love it. And then finally, I guess I would say that,

Speaker 2 you know, looking at the differences in the four gospels, except for just a little mention at the end of Mark, Luke is the gospel that really brings us into that mystery of the ascension. of Jesus.

Speaker 2 And he goes into some detail there. And

Speaker 2 in fact, that's where ascension got their name was, there it is, you know, right there.

Speaker 2 And that ascension.

Speaker 1 I want to say, I always want to say, that's the name of the company.

Speaker 2 That's where they got it. That's the name of the YouTube channel.
What the heck?

Speaker 2 Well, that Ascension actually acts as a bridge from the gospel to Acts because he originally wrote it all together and then the church split that. But the Ascension is sort of the bridge there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 I'm so excited because right from that chapter, we launch right into Acts. So it's seamless.
You know, one day it's Luke 24. The next day, it's Acts chapter one, which is, yeah, so good.

Speaker 2 Love it.

Speaker 1 Well, Jeff, I know, are there any, this is so good because as we're launching into your favorite gospel,

Speaker 1 we can keep our eyes or ears attuned to all these elements, the element of, here's women in the gospel, the element of the nativity, because that's where we get.

Speaker 1 So many of the nativity stories are not all of them, but many of them are coming from Luke, that pre-nativity, the actual nativity.

Speaker 1 But also you mentioned the extra parables that Luke has given us, that extra teaching, that call, high call for discipleship and ascension. But if we were going to have

Speaker 1 one way of listening differently to Luke's gospel than we listen to the other three,

Speaker 1 what's one thing you would say?

Speaker 1 Okay, put this kind of filter on your ears or put this kind of listen for this piece of something that you might not have heard or we want to, that's even more emphasized in Luke's gospel.

Speaker 2 Right. Well, I think there's a couple of things.
One is to

Speaker 2 listen to it from the viewpoint of a disciple, of somebody who is

Speaker 2 serving the Lord, following the Lord. And when you come across the various themes that you just mentioned, for example, the role of women, revisit that as a disciple.

Speaker 2 Jesus in prayer, revisit that as a disciple. of course in John or in Luke 9 take up your cross and and follow me

Speaker 2 that's kind of the heart but listen to all of his teaching the Good Samaritan and certainly listen to the parables as a disciple of the Lord the second thing I would I would say is always keep in the back of your mind that Acts used to be a part of this and there is a direct relationship between the life of Jesus and the life of the early church.

Speaker 2 You'll notice that the early church in Acts actually is repeating many of the things that Jesus did.

Speaker 2 So if you're listening or reading Bible in a year right now and something hits you and you think, oh, that's pretty interesting about Jesus, I wonder if that could be found in Acts as well.

Speaker 2 Because he's giving you this, as we said, you know, at the beginning, a complete and carefully researched history.

Speaker 2 And that is a parallel history between the life of Christ and the life of the of the church in the book of Acts. And sometime, you know what?

Speaker 2 You just might want to read all of it right through, you know, Luke and Acts. Just read it through and get exactly what he originally wrote.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just save up a bunch of weeks of Bible in the year and just press play, go for a really long walk.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm so grateful.

Speaker 1 This is, this this is so good especially it tees us up for you know the next i think it's maybe nine days or so that we get to walk through maybe even 10 days we get to walk through the gospel of luke and to take it all like the other three gospels to receive them all at once i think a lot of times if we're used to coming to mass and used to coming to church and we get little pieces you know we just get kind of little snippets which is good a great way to have those bite-sized chunks um this is once again one of those great gifts where we get the whole story presented to us as a whole story And I think that there's something about that that just, I know for me, the thing I look forward to is it just reveals the heart of Jesus in places that I normally would miss because I would just maybe kind of,

Speaker 1 I would be either deaf to them or I'd be blind to them or I just would kind of ignore them. But this presents his whole heart.

Speaker 1 And I just, I, if that makes sense, I just, I really love being able to take in these gospels as a whole, just. chapter one to the end of the book.
And that's what we get to do. And I'm so grateful.

Speaker 1 Jeff, do you have any last words words for us before we let our friends go? Sure.

Speaker 2 Well, I just encourage you, my friend,

Speaker 2 keep going on and on. And as I've said before, you know, and I think, Father, you've heard two people say, oh, I love the Bible in a year.
I'm two weeks behind. And to that, I say, that's all right.

Speaker 2 Take a later flight.

Speaker 2 You know, you're going to get there. And keep going.
The idea is not to be on time, but to be faithful and continue and continue. You'll be so glad that you you did.

Speaker 2 And this is going to be a year that stands out in your life like no other year. In fact, I would venture to say, you're going to mention this to your kids.

Speaker 2 If you don't have kids, someday you might, you're going to mention this. You might mention it to your grandchildren.
Better yet, you might go through this with them.

Speaker 2 This is the story, the true history. And it is just a historical point in the church's history and the Bible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so good. And also, I just think you mentioned that there are more Catholics listening to the Bible right now than, I don't know, ever before, but maybe ever before.

Speaker 1 But also, part of this community are our non-Catholic brothers and sisters who are journeying with us.

Speaker 1 And that's such a gift to be able to have this whole community of the Bible in the year who are, again, our non-Catholic brothers and sisters also listening to the seven books that they...

Speaker 1 didn't even know existed, you know, the Deuterocanonical books, as well as just the ability that we can, as believers, as followers, as disciples of Jesus, to be united in listening to God's word like this.

Speaker 1 It just, we don't always have unity with everything, but this has been an incredible opportunity for us to be a united community in so many ways. And so I'm really grateful for you, Jeff.

Speaker 1 I'm so grateful for all your teaching.

Speaker 1 As I mentioned at the beginning of this particular episode, so grateful for the Great Adventure Bible timeline, which taught me so much, but also for the community.

Speaker 1 that has joined us and is journeying with us.

Speaker 1 As you know, I am praying for you every single day. And I know I hear people tell me that they're praying for me and for you, Jeff.

Speaker 1 So, to our friends,

Speaker 1 I am praying for you. Please pray for me.
Continue praying for both of us. My name is Father Mike, and I cannot wait to see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 God bless.