Doctor’s Orders | 1. Red Flags

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Speaker 2 It's March 16th, 2008, around 6 p.m daylight is fading in santa monica california where santa monica police officer greg cap has been called out for a wellness check he's getting ready to enter the bungalow apartment of 21 year old juliana redding i start trying to pick the lock we open the door make an announcement santa monica police anyone inside no one answers the officer's calls As soon as we like made entry, the first thing that caught my eye, there was candles on.

Speaker 4 So I'm like, okay, maybe she's home or maybe she just left, but she had candles lit, right?

Speaker 2 Picture a classic California bungalow. One story, four units, white stucco with a clay tile roof.

Speaker 2 Juliana had lived here about six months, since she'd quickly left her last place after she discovered a man she trusted had lied about the most basic things in his life.

Speaker 4 We went down, looks like a little hall, I think there was, into the

Speaker 4 bedroom, but we could see with our flashlights: okay, there's someone laying in the bed.

Speaker 4 As we all get closer,

Speaker 4 we can see that

Speaker 4 she had a

Speaker 4 like an undershirt-type tank top on and underwear.

Speaker 4 I could see that her foot was hanging off the bed, and I distinctly remember blood drops dripping from her heel onto the floor.

Speaker 4 And we could definitely see black and blue strangulation tight marks on her neck.

Speaker 4 And as we take a better look, her lips were blue and there was no pulse.

Speaker 2 At the time, Officer Capp had no idea what he'd stumbled in on.

Speaker 4 So the supervisor that was with us said, hey, this is a homicide scene. We need to back out, lock it down.

Speaker 2 What starts at this young woman's Santa Monica bungalow is only the first act in a whole web of crimes crisscrossing California.

Speaker 2 Authorities say one of the biggest scams in California history and cutting a path all around the world. It's going to take me and five reporters on three continents to figure this all out.

Speaker 2 And what we found is that the more you look, the more drama, the more scandal, the more charges you find.

Speaker 4 So we're backing out and one of the officers realizes that the gas stove in the kitchen is turned on. And you can actually now hear the hissing of the gas coming out of the stove.

Speaker 4 So that, coupled with the candles that were on, you know, whoever did this wanted the place to blow up. And then, you know, all evidence, the body, everything, you know, would just be burned.

Speaker 2 The murder of Juliana Redding is just the beginning. I'm Ben Adair from Sony Music Entertainment and Western Sound.
You're listening to Doctor's Orders. This is episode one, Red Flags.

Speaker 2 This was the beginning of a long night for Officer Cap and the detectives who soon arrived at the bungalow.

Speaker 2 As you know, the first part of any investigation isn't necessarily about finding answers, but more figuring out the right questions to ask.

Speaker 2 First question, why were officers knocking on Juliana Redding's door in the first place?

Speaker 4 When somebody calls for a check to status, you're getting one side of the story.

Speaker 2 Earlier that day in Tucson, Arizona, Patricia Redding, Juliana's mom, got a call. Had she spoken with Juliana recently? She hadn't, and calls went straight to voicemail.
which was weird.

Speaker 2 It was very unlike Juliana to have her phone off. Patricia made that call that no parent ever wants to make.
She called the police. She asked them to stop in and check on her daughter.

Speaker 2 At the same time, a guy named John Gilmore was also wondering, where is Juliana?

Speaker 2 John was Juliana's Onagan-Othagan boyfriend at the time. He met the police at the apartment.

Speaker 4 He was a little

Speaker 4 scared. He wasn't sure what was going on.
You know, who knows? Maybe they had an argument. And she's like, you know what? I'm going to put you on ice for a little while.

Speaker 4 I don't feel like talking to you now.

Speaker 2 After After they discovered Juliana's body, everything changed. Everyone's a suspect.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 the body was,

Speaker 4 she was laying on her back. They saw kind of slid towards the bottom of the bed, which allowed her foot to be hanging off the bed.

Speaker 4 On top of the covers, there were no covers on her.

Speaker 2 Examination showed signs of a violent struggle that someone had tried to cover up.

Speaker 4 It's almost as if the suspect picked her up and put her on there.

Speaker 2 Her body was on the bed, on its side, with her arms up over her head and her legs dangling off, almost like she'd been picked up and moved there.

Speaker 2 There were cuts and bruises on her legs, on her arms, on her neck. The house looked perfectly neat.
The coffee table had books and knickknacks on it.

Speaker 2 The pillows on the sofa were arranged, but one was missing a pillowcase. The candles in a tray were flickering silently.

Speaker 2 In the kitchen, dishes were in the sink, the drawers and cabinets closed. A white towel sat on a bar-height chair next to the stove, in front of the laundry.

Speaker 2 But as detectives looked more closely, they started finding strange things. Signs that someone had tried to clean up this crime scene.

Speaker 2 They start taking pictures, putting things in baggies, dozens of pieces of evidence that would end up in Juliana's file.

Speaker 2 They examine Juliana's body. They find no signs of sexual assault, but they swab everything, including her t-shirt and her neck.

Speaker 2 Juliana's red Blackberry cell phone was on the nightstand. Detectives swabbed that.
Detectives swab the kitchen, the stove knobs, the dishes in the sink.

Speaker 2 They find a bloody fingerprint on the shards of a broken plate. Detectives swab for DNA and lift the fingerprint.
In the living room, detectives note several things.

Speaker 2 Deep scratches in the wood floor where it looks like the coffee table had been dragged. There's a broken necklace on the floor.
Blood spatter near the entrance to the bedroom. Strands of hair.

Speaker 2 It's a lot, and detectives send it all to the lab. But there's no sign of forced entry.
There are no broken windows, no marks on the big white security door.

Speaker 2 Meaning, whoever did this was likely let in.

Speaker 2 Like maybe it was somebody Juliana felt safe with. Safe enough to let into her apartment alone.

Speaker 4 No neighbors were coming out. You know, usually there's, you know, lucky loo neighbors.
Hey, what's going on? You know, nobody.

Speaker 2 Officer Cap was put on door knock duty.

Speaker 4 And I started out right next door and it was like an older lady that answered the door and she said she actually heard fighting earlier in the evening, probably sometime before midnight.

Speaker 4 And I was like, well, why didn't you call the police? Oh, I was so scared, she says.

Speaker 4 That just stuck with me because it was like, man, if you, you know, would have just called 911,

Speaker 4 who knows? Maybe an officer would have been in

Speaker 4 the neighborhood there and got there and either caught the suspect, saw the suspect leaving, maybe had a chance to, you know, save Juliana's life. I mean, who knows? Who knows?

Speaker 2 Here's what officers know at the end of the night. Juliana had been alive and in her apartment the night before.
There had been an argument and then a fight, a big fight.

Speaker 2 And whoever killed Juliana tried to blow the whole place up, including maybe the neighbors, to get rid of a mountain of evidence. But they'd failed.
And now all that evidence is being analyzed.

Speaker 2 So, the next question the police are going to try and answer:

Speaker 2 because this crime seems so very personal,

Speaker 2 who is Juliana?

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Speaker 3 It was the first day of kindergarten,

Speaker 3 and her mom, Patty,

Speaker 3 saw me walking in with my mom and this little outfit that she thought was so cute.

Speaker 2 This is Jessica.

Speaker 2 Like a lot of people I interviewed for this podcast, she didn't want to use her full name because what happened to Juliana still makes her scared that something might happen to her, too.

Speaker 3 They both had dark hair, blue eyes, and like similar little outfits on. She's like, I hope they become friends.

Speaker 2 Jessica grew up with Juliana. She was one of her oldest friends.

Speaker 3 We went to a small school.

Speaker 3 I think there was probably not more than 50 kids, I'd say, 60 kids per class from kindergarten all through eighth grade. We were always just kind of in that same group of friends.

Speaker 3 And then freshman year of high school started, and then we just didn't stop hanging out.

Speaker 2 After her murder and everything that's come since, the thing Jessica says gets lost most is that people don't remember what Juliana was really like. Like her sense of humor.

Speaker 3 She'd have like funny jokes, one-liners. She could do movie lines and like always like she's a big Seinfeld fan.

Speaker 3 And so she used to always like fun doing like skits and different things with friends and different people that she was close with.

Speaker 2 Take like golf. Juliana was a great golfer.

Speaker 3 You know, golf's really stoic and really quiet.

Speaker 3 After she would like hit a really good like ball or something she'd be doing like cartwheels on the golf course she would be like high-fiving people i mean like you talked and just like very animated and the golf team was always and like the coach was just like this is the most ridiculous person but hilarious and juliana was outgoing energetic charming and beautiful as they grew from young girls into young women people began noticing juliana And then I remember high school.

Speaker 3 We walked into freshman year and she was wearing mascara. She had big blue eyes.
And she's just like her hair is really long and she's just stunning.

Speaker 3 She just was pretty. That's the thing.
That wasn't her identity though. Her identity was so much different than that.
I actually remember the first time I met Juliana.

Speaker 3 She was working at a sushi bar that two of my friends worked at when I was in college in Arizona, in Tucson.

Speaker 2 This is Olana Hadid. She's a model, fashion designer, an activist, and yeah, one of the very famous Hadid sisters.

Speaker 3 My two friends said,

Speaker 3 come and meet Juliana. You have to meet her.
You're going to love her. And I remember she introduced herself to me.
And within like five minutes, she was quite petite. And I'm about six feet tall.

Speaker 3 And she had like jumped up on me like a little monkey and was holding on to me. And I just knew she was going to be like a little sister.

Speaker 3 And she just had that light about her that you just wanted to be around her all the time. You just wanted to see her.
You just wanted to hear her talking.

Speaker 3 And so I spent a lot of time at the restaurant spending time with her.

Speaker 2 Alana and Juliana were fast friends, even though college girls and townies in high school hardly ever mix.

Speaker 3 I grew up in Virginia, right outside of DC. Arizona was kind of a culture shock for me because it was completely different than anything I had experienced.
But I make friends easily and

Speaker 3 I I had a lot of friends at the time that I met Juliana. And I kind of was in a place where I was like, I don't really need that many more friends, but I was like, she's coming along.
I need her.

Speaker 2 But Alana didn't stay in Tucson long. She moved to Los Angeles.
And then after high school, Juliana did too. Here's Jessica.

Speaker 3 We both liked California and she really liked the idea of going to LA. And I remember I was like, really liking San Diego.
And I just remember we really kind of bonded on that.

Speaker 3 And I think she kind of started setting her sights on like how to get to LA like you know what schools and how she could get there and I and that was we're kind of like we're both kind of plotting like how do we you know what's our next steps Jessica got into college in San Diego and Juliana went to Marymount California University LA adjacent by the beach she liked you know bigger city uh the beach she's a big beach person loves the ocean and I think we were just both ready for something different.

Speaker 2 So it's late summer, 2005. Juliana's arriving in Los Angeles to go to school by the beach.
She's also signing up with a modeling agency.

Speaker 3 You know, Juliana always wanted to go into modeling and entertainment and acting and all of those things. And so I felt like it was a very natural progression for her to come to LA.

Speaker 3 I think that's kind of Juliana. When she makes a decision or when she made a decision, she just kind of jumped in both feet.

Speaker 3 So yeah, she was just just all of a sudden she was in LA and she was like kind of living her life and doing it. And that's that was her.

Speaker 2 After a year at Marymount, Juliana transferred to Santa Monica College. She also applied to Cal State Long Beach to pursue a degree in communications.
All the while, she continued to model.

Speaker 2 She made the pages of Maxim magazine, she was in a hair commercial, and she played a love interest in what looks like a very independently produced music video. You can see it on YouTube.

Speaker 2 It's called Fade Away the Original Music Video 2008.

Speaker 2 It's an LA life.

Speaker 3 She worked a lot. She was a really hard worker, actually.

Speaker 2 She worked as a hostess at a Venice wine bar. She had a job at a surf store, modeling, other gigs.
For a short time, she was an assistant to an LA doctor.

Speaker 3 Even though she was younger, even though she

Speaker 3 had just moved to LA, everyone loved her. No one was like, isn't she kind of young? Or like, how do you know her? Or like, you know, something like that.

Speaker 3 She just, she was constantly making friends and enjoying herself. And she would ask a little bit about, I'm dating this guy.
What do you think? Things like that.

Speaker 3 But it was very much like normal girl talk. You know, we would sit around a dinner table.
We would have those conversations.

Speaker 2 I mean, of course she was dating. She had the long time on and off boyfriend we mentioned.
Her friends filled the police in on other guys she was seeing, both formally and not so.

Speaker 2 It's not going to give away too much to tell you that of all the DNA found on Juliana's body, some of it belonged to a soon-to-be well-known actor.

Speaker 2 He was questioned, but never considered a suspect or charged with anything.

Speaker 2 But just after her 21st birthday, Brenz did start to worry. There was another boyfriend, now an ex.

Speaker 2 And maybe things were going a little... mm.

Speaker 3 She didn't really speak to me about it until they had broken up.

Speaker 2 Alana had been watching her younger friend blossoming into her LA life, but also, you know, watching her make the mistakes that a lot of young people make.

Speaker 2 You date the wrong guy, you know, you learn not to date those guys anymore. But something about this particular guy Juliana was telling her about felt

Speaker 2 a little more than a mistake. Alana was rattled.

Speaker 3 I was at a dinner with her, I believe, and she kind of asked me, you know, you know, I was dating this guy we've broken up and i feel like he's stalking me that was what she said

Speaker 3 and i said well why do you feel like he's stalking you and she said well he's he's showing up in a lot of the places where i am that are nowhere close to his house i see his car parked places i see him walking by and i'm a little bit worried and I said, well, if you're worried, you need to file a police report that you're being stalked.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 she seemed to think like she was a little freaked out of it, but she wasn't, she didn't seem totally worried at the time. She seemed like, oh, he really wants to get me back.

Speaker 3 And he's trying to show me that,

Speaker 3 you know, he wants to get me back.

Speaker 3 I think at the time she was definitely like. rationalizing it away.
And I was a little bit more worried, I think, than she was. But again,

Speaker 3 I really didn't know what to tell her than call the police, really, if you're worried that he's stalking you. Yeah, that was the first time she talked about it.

Speaker 2 But things didn't stop there.

Speaker 2 It got more serious.

Speaker 3 Her dogs had been in his house. Her dogs were missing, and she was worried that he had done something to them.

Speaker 3 And then I was definitely quite concerned. And at that point, I think we were all very concerned, and we weren't really

Speaker 3 saying like,

Speaker 3 it's not a big deal at this point. Then I think we were all like, okay, you need to get as far away from him as you can.

Speaker 3 And we were asking her if she was going to get a restraining order and things of that nature.

Speaker 2 But did she get away from him? Could she?

Speaker 3 I got a call while I was in the shower. Like, I was in the shower, and my boyfriend walked in, and he was like, You need to take this.
And his face was just like white.

Speaker 3 And he was just like, You have to take this. I was like, I'm in the shower.
He's like, Take this. I was sitting at my house, and our friend, our mutual friend, called and was extremely upset

Speaker 3 to the point where I didn't know what was happening. I was afraid that she was hurt.
I didn't really know what was going on. And she was just screaming at the top of her lungs.

Speaker 3 And he handed me the phone.

Speaker 3 And the other line was like, She's dead, like crying and screaming. She's dead.

Speaker 3 Eventually, I could start understanding what she was saying. And she said, She was saying, She's dead.
She's dead. And we didn't know who that was.

Speaker 3 And she couldn't get Juliana's name out of her mouth. It was really hard for her to say her name.
And eventually she said, Juliana. And we were

Speaker 3 dumbfounded. Remember, I like was in the shower, like on the ground, sobbing.
And I was like, but I'm like, are we sure? Are we sure? And so then I called her mom.

Speaker 3 And her mom told me that she was dead.

Speaker 3 And so obviously it was just pure shock.

Speaker 2 In the days after the murder, police would question more of Juliana's friends and acquaintances.

Speaker 2 And they questioned the guy who first raised the alarm about Juliana, the face they first saw when arriving at her house. The one everyone always suspects first.

Speaker 2 The boyfriend, John Gilmore.

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Speaker 2 The first person police brought to the station was John Gilmore. Here's what they knew about him.
John was 21 years old.

Speaker 2 He'd been arrested several times for battery, assault with a deadly weapon, burglary, and vandalism. He had three convictions for vandalism.

Speaker 2 So when cops assess the scene and arriving at Juliana's apartment, John was there at the scene. They immediately started gauging, who is this guy? What's his demeanor? Stoic? In shock?

Speaker 2 Is he acting like he cares about what's happening? And they asked him directly about how he treated Juliana.

Speaker 6 Did you guys have to argue very often? Do we bicker?

Speaker 6 Once I argue.

Speaker 2 John tells officers they met shortly after Juliana moved to LA. They worked together at a Santa Monica surf shop.
Then started dating. And things went really well.
Except for when they didn't.

Speaker 6 All my friends cracked jokes about it.

Speaker 6 Like we were supposed to go camping this weekend for my friend's birthday we're gonna leave friday and come back sunday this is all video of the police interrogation my buddy's chip goes if juliana can come as long as you two don't argue

Speaker 6 but um it was more love arguing like we get on each other for stupid things um habits trying to break each other just like bicker did bicker and no pots and pans yeah throwing no

Speaker 6 No objects being thrown at each other in the United States. No, not at each other.
Yeah, I mean, we yell. I mean, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 I mean, like at that time, you know, when I kicked the door, I was all pissed, but I didn't, you know, sit on it like, fucking open the door. I kicked it a couple times.
I mean, you know, but.

Speaker 2 But he insisted he would never hurt Juliana.

Speaker 2 John tells police that a year into their relationship, Juliana got hired by this doctor. He tells them that she moved into his house with her friend Stephanie, rent-free, more nearly.

Speaker 2 John says Juliana insisted to him that her relationship with her new boss was strictly professional.

Speaker 6 Her relationship with her new boss was strictly business.

Speaker 6 No messing around going on, anything like that.

Speaker 2 Then suddenly, Juliana moved out, eventually landing at the apartment in Santa Monica.

Speaker 2 According to John, the last time he saw Juliana was the morning of Friday, March 14th, the day before she was killed. Saturday evening, they were supposed supposed to have dinner together.

Speaker 2 John worked late. He finished his shift at the surf shop around eight.

Speaker 6 I called her and she goes, Can we do pizza?

Speaker 6 Or can we do order pizza in tonight?

Speaker 2 John's all, nah, I've been eating pizza all day.

Speaker 6 She's just kind of like, you could tell she was just kind of just disappointed in the fact that I wasn't like, yeah, let's do pizza. Like, it wasn't about the food.

Speaker 2 John had worked a 12-hour shift, but rather than wait for him, Juliana said she was going to go eat with a friend. John's all, fine.
I'm going to chill and have some fears.

Speaker 6 They bought us a 12-pack for working hard today.

Speaker 6 She's like, she's like, okay, fine, you know, whatever. Like, fucking, you know, and then hung up on me.
And I was like, fuck. She's like, why did you just hang out? So I call her

Speaker 6 back. And I go, please don't hang up on me.
And she goes, okay, da-da-da-da. Love you.
And I was like, okay.

Speaker 2 But things start to escalate now over text.

Speaker 6 So I vended to her, like, fuck. I sent her like four

Speaker 6 full-page text messages. Like, are you really hurting me? You're reminding me of fucking, you know, what happened.

Speaker 6 And then at like 8:30, because I'm already off, you know, they get off at 8. So, you know, women there on it.
I get a text from her at like 8:30. She goes, Are you fucking coming or what?

Speaker 2 John explains he's getting beers with his friends. He'll see her later.

Speaker 6 She, like, she texts me back. She goes, Fine, just call me in a little.
And I go, Okay, I'll just call you in a little. Like, you know, thinking everything's okay.

Speaker 2 But then grabbing beers turns into going to a party.

Speaker 6 I get a text that says from her, like like I'm I'm getting tired and then I get another text a minute later like two minutes later and it goes what the fuck John like all in exclamations what the fuck John and I was like okay she's pissed because I didn't answer my phone and I didn't call her back.

Speaker 2 She calls twice around 945 p.m. He doesn't pick up but he texts her back saying relax.
He explains the situation.

Speaker 6 And she didn't text me back. So I was like, that's kind of weird.
You know, I was like, you know, usually I would have got some smart ass comment back. Like, sure, you were.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, at 9.53, he calls her.

Speaker 6 It rang like four or five times. Like, and I think it was like six, four to six times it picks up an answer machine.
And then it didn't go to her answer machine.

Speaker 6 Like, it picked up, but it didn't go beep. It didn't.
I didn't hear anyone. And then the phone just disconnected.

Speaker 6 Now, when you say it picked up, it picked up like the answer machine picked up or it picked up.

Speaker 6 Like somebody picked it up.

Speaker 6 But I didn't hear anything, you know, no no dogs, you know what I mean? No one, no voice, no hello.

Speaker 6 And then after it just went right up, and then it was like someone trying to pick it up, and then like it disconnected, and it just went, and then it said call ended on my screen.

Speaker 2 He says he tried again, but straight to voicemail.

Speaker 2 He's like, okay, she's pissed, this is over, and he goes back to the party, tries to have a good time.

Speaker 2 The next day, John woke up around 9 a.m.

Speaker 2 Still no messages from Juliana. His calls are going straight to voicemail.

Speaker 2 He decides, screw it. I'm just going to go over and talk to her.
John says he gets there about 9.30 a.m. Sees her car outside, assumes she's home.

Speaker 6 So I knocked, rang the doorbell, knocked, rang the doorbell,

Speaker 6 and then no movement, but the dog came to the door

Speaker 6 and started barking and whining. So whenever Gigi would do that, Gigi, the dog.

Speaker 6 Even if Juliana, I could sometimes come over and wake her up, and Gigi would come and bark and whine at the door, Juliana would always get up. I mean,

Speaker 6 no matter what, you know, even if fucking she told me not to fumble over, you know what I mean? No matter what.

Speaker 2 But no one came to the door. He thought, maybe she's in the shower.
He says he goes around the house, sees the bathroom light on, knocks on the bathroom window. No answer.

Speaker 2 He peeps in through another window, sees a lit candle. That's weird.
But John says he doesn't think foul play. He calls a friend.

Speaker 6 I was like, dude, I just feel like maybe she has a dude in her room and she doesn't want to answer the door. Or, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Like, I was just, and like, I had that weird gut feeling that someone was in that house with her. Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 And she didn't want to answer the door because she didn't want me to know who was in there.

Speaker 2 John leaves. goes surfing.
But he can't let it go. He calls Juliana again.
And again, still no answer. He calls her work.
She's not there either. He goes back to her apartment.

Speaker 2 This time, he goes straight to the neighbors and asks him, have you seen Juliana today? The neighbor says, no.

Speaker 2 Maybe you should call the cops or her parents. But John doesn't have her parents' numbers.

Speaker 6 He's like, well, I can get the, I can call the landlord and maybe, you know, have the landlord call the parents

Speaker 6 if you're really that worried. And I go, I go, actually, yeah.
So what I'm going to do is I was like, here's my cell phone number. I was like, write write this down.
I'm going to go.

Speaker 2 Pretty soon,

Speaker 2 John gets a call from Juliana's mom.

Speaker 6 And she goes, Johnny, what's going on? Like, the landlord called and says, yeah, like, Juliana, no one's talked to Juliana. I go, yeah, I was like, it's weird.
I haven't talked to her since yesterday.

Speaker 6 And she goes, everything okay with you guys? And I was like, actually, it's like, it's really good, you know?

Speaker 6 Then she goes, like, where's Juliana? And I go, I don't know. She's like, well, she's at that photo shoot.
And I go, oh, yeah, hold on. And

Speaker 6 she's like, yeah. And I was like, and I was like, oh, that explains it all.
And then

Speaker 6 all of a sudden, I was like, everything's okay.

Speaker 2 But then John starts thinking about all that weird stuff. The candles, the unanswered calls, no text messages.
He says, it's weird that Gigi wasn't locked up. Juliana's mom says, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 She tells John she's calling the police. And a couple minutes after John shows up again, Officer Cap arrives with his colleagues.
Detectives scrutinizing John's story will find it mostly squares.

Speaker 2 They'll check Juliana's call logs and see the calls he mentioned, two to him and then two to her.

Speaker 2 In between,

Speaker 2 she called 911,

Speaker 2 but that call didn't go through either.

Speaker 2 In reality, Though John was seeing Juliana nearly two years, there was so much he did not know about her.

Speaker 2 As detectives interviewed more of Juliana's friends, they learned about a whole other side of her life that started about nine months before her murder.

Speaker 2 It was while she was working as a hostess at a wine bar in Venice. There was a regular there.
He was a little older, charming, attractive, and clearly had means.

Speaker 2 He started talking to Juliana, and Juliana started talking back.

Speaker 3 And she spoke to him, saying she was looking for other jobs and, you know, working, going to school.

Speaker 3 And he said, Well, I actually am looking for an assistant to help me run, as I understood, was like a portfolio and help him run his business.

Speaker 3 Like portfolio, I think I said, I thought it's from what I remember, I thought it was something to do with real estate.

Speaker 3 He needed an assistant, and she's, she was funny because, again, she's witty and she's like, Can't afford me, sorry. He's like, Well, how much do you want?

Speaker 3 And she, I think she, again, the number, but it was like some nominal, it was like $60 an hour. And he's like, Done.
And she's like, And

Speaker 3 I need a car.

Speaker 3 And he's like, done.

Speaker 3 And so she's like, okay.

Speaker 3 She was hired to be his assistant and to help him with, like, because he had multiple businesses and a portfolio, I believe, of real estate, is what I can remember from that.

Speaker 2 Juliana's like, let's see where this goes.

Speaker 3 People in LA specifically always hear about, oh, they got this amazing assistant job. And then it grew into something else because then they're managing, you know.

Speaker 3 So I think to me, it sounded, nothing about it sounded strange.

Speaker 2 High-paying job, company car, turns out to be a Range Rover,

Speaker 2 and soon a glamorous place to live. She moved into one of his properties.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, nothing seemed strange at the time. She just was, because he didn't live there with her, wasn't like, oh, I'm moving in with my boss, kind of situation.

Speaker 3 Was like, he had an empty extra house. Yeah, he sounded like a wealthy businessman, pretty much.
And I didn't think twice.

Speaker 2 So, who was this guy? He told Juliana he was 28, single, a surgeon. He had real estate.
He had cars.

Speaker 2 The details, well, no need to get into those.

Speaker 2 And maybe when you're young, in a new city, going to school, working multiple jobs, maybe questions like, who is this rich, handsome guy, really,

Speaker 2 aren't so front of mind.

Speaker 2 Alana first heard about this doctor through a mutual friend.

Speaker 3 who said that she was working for a doctor

Speaker 3 and that the doctor was very interested in her more than as an assistant or working.

Speaker 2 Like an employee, like romantically interested in her.

Speaker 3 Yes, that was the first time I heard about him.

Speaker 2 Juliana and the doctor's relationship was romantic for a time.

Speaker 3 I have kind of a motherly aspect to myself, and I was worried a little bit. But again, I do feel that

Speaker 3 kind of everyone has to go through their dating trials and tribulations. And it's just kind of part of growing up.
He's a doctor, so hopefully, you know, he's a, he's kind of a good guy.

Speaker 3 And we know how magnetic Juliana is. And she is also someone who we felt like had a really good head on her shoulders.
So, but we also knew that she was in her early 20s. And so

Speaker 3 these are kind of things that a lot of girls go through.

Speaker 3 A lot of girls in their 20s date men that are older than them before they realize, or maybe they don't. And that's a perfect guy for them.
So I felt like, who am I to judge?

Speaker 3 Because I had done things like that myself.

Speaker 2 The next time Alana would hear about this doctor was after they broke up.

Speaker 3 We

Speaker 3 had a few other conversations and I think they were kind of to the effect of her letting us then know that he had lied about a lot of things.

Speaker 3 That she then kind of told us that he had lied about his age, that he had a family in Lebanon, and there may have been some other kind of shady dealings with his medical practice.

Speaker 3 And I do remember her at one point saying, I'm scared. So, and that was concerning for me because I had really never heard her be like that.

Speaker 2 This doctor is the same ex-boyfriend that Juliana said was stalking her in the months leading up to her murder, showing up in strange places, going out of his way to bump into her.

Speaker 2 He's the first person Alana thought about when she found out Juliana was dead.

Speaker 3 There was no, for us, I never thought for one moment that it was a car accident, that she was randomly shot on the street. None of us said anything.

Speaker 3 Even though we had nothing had really been confirmed, we all knew it had something to do with Munir.

Speaker 3 We just knew. And it was like instantaneous.
Every single one of her friends and myself all knew that it had something to do with Munir.

Speaker 2 Even before the investigation, even before knowing any evidence, they all suspected her boss/slash boyfriend, Dr. Munir Uweda.

Speaker 3 Is it okay if I cry?

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 I'm good.

Speaker 2 So those were the two main men in Juliana's romantic life in the year leading up to her death.

Speaker 2 One with a criminal record and another, everyone would soon find out, was under investigation for even bigger crimes.

Speaker 2 And in the middle is 21-year-old Juliana.

Speaker 3 It's like hindsight's incredible because, of course, you can go through everything. But when you're 20 years old and

Speaker 3 you grow up in a sheltered way, in a good way, in a positive way,

Speaker 3 You don't think that something,

Speaker 3 like what ends up happening or ended up happening.

Speaker 3 It's just not something you think about.

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Speaker 3 We knew that something had happened and that it wasn't an accident.

Speaker 2 They pick it up, they analyze it, and it matches the DNA that was in Juliana Redding's apartment.

Speaker 7 So I'm telling him it really, really hurts. And so he says, just be strong, just be strong, hang on, just hang on.

Speaker 7 And then he keeps pulling and pulling, and I'm starting to scream, and he pulls and he pulls, and then there's this blue that pops out of my arm. Bitch, go to hell, whore.

Speaker 6 I have that memorized. I'll be dead before I forget that.
He was not a great person to be associated with, but we figured, you know, it was mostly about the money.

Speaker 6 Then some of the things revealed a possibly greater diabolical person than we had imagined. That's pretty suspicious.
That sounds like mafia stuff.

Speaker 7 I said, I need to see the doctor, and I need to see the doctor right freaking now. This is wrong.
What you did to me is just absolutely wrong.

Speaker 6 Such a manipulator, such a master craftsman at manipulation.

Speaker 2 He's evil.

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