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Speaker 3 all right guys we are going to give you a full episode today i'm so excited to have james carville with us and in honor of carville and in honor of carnival We'll maybe have a little bit of a different intro music for you today.

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Speaker 3 Up next, the Mardi Gras King himself, James Carville.

Speaker 3 The queen's room is smoking and the flames warning down.

Speaker 3 Throw my baby out the window, let those suns burn down.

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Speaker 3 All right, guys, we got some big news since yesterday. Many of the big names in the party have rallied around Kamala, including nearly all of her most realistic challengers.
J.B.

Speaker 3 Pritzker just announced a couple minutes ago. Though I do think Charlie XCX posting Kamala is Brat is probably her biggest endorsement yet.
She's also raised over 60 million and counting.

Speaker 3 And to hear to talk about it all is veteran Democratic strategist, co-host of the politics warroom, James Carville. James, where's the chaos we were promising?

Speaker 3 James, everybody told me, everybody told me if Joe Einstein said, everybody told you, they're like, James, you can't do this. There'd be chaos.
Where's the chaos, James?

Speaker 4 There is none.

Speaker 3 And by the way, you know, we're from New Orleans.

Speaker 4 I see a parade is coming. I grab a whistle, a baton, and a high hat.

Speaker 4 And I throw the baton in the air because there's a parade.

Speaker 4 It's called the Kamala Harris Parade. And we're all marching there.

Speaker 3 Kamala Grande.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's it. That's it, bro.
That's it, baby.

Speaker 4 They can do whatever they want, but this train has left the station, eat her dust.

Speaker 3 Me and Bill Kristol yesterday were talking about this, and he said at the time, you know, he's like, look, the train could be gone in four hours, could be gone in 12 hours, or there could be a conversation.

Speaker 3 And clearly, in the intervening time, there's no really realistic challenge that's going to emerge, right?

Speaker 4 Because, you know, I've been dealing with this for a long time. It's very kind of personal, painful.

Speaker 4 I think at the end of the day, what really swayed the president was he couldn't get any politicians to show up. I mean, he goes to Michigan, and you can hide the polls from him.

Speaker 4 You can be sure he gets good news. You can adjust who he talks to.
You can control who comes in and out, the information flow.

Speaker 4 But when he goes to Detroit and the governor, neither Democratic Senate nor the Democratic Senate candidate shows up, he knows that. That cannot be hidden.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I think he had a growing sense of isolation that

Speaker 4 no one was going to go to the convention. He wasn't going to be able to march on the front row of the Labor Day parade with all the guys and, you know, lefty and shifty and, you know, whatever.

Speaker 4 It just wasn't going to work out that way. And I think he figured it out.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's sad when you put it like that. But it's good on him for doing it.
I feel like I should have mentioned this yesterday. Look, we've been on his ass.
You've been on his ass longer than I have.

Speaker 3 But it's still hard to do it. It's hard to step aside.
And we're looking at the other side. When you look at the other side, you know, so this is not saying, well, what was the Biden online?

Speaker 3 Don't compare me to the Almighty. Compare me to the alternative.
He's not the Almighty. But if you look at the alternative, these guys have been propping up a fucking rapist criminal for a decade now.

Speaker 3 And so having one, so that's nice.

Speaker 4 My favorite, my favorite is Van Jones and Euten and Dan Abrams, both of whom I like. Okay, I know them, but talking about how Trump's change man.

Speaker 4 What in the fuck are you? If anybody says that, there should be a lifetime ban from being on anything. Okay?

Speaker 4 That is just a breathtaking ignorance of what people are like, and particularly Donald Trump. I mean, it's just, I love that.
He was a changed man. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 Yeah, my God. He found God.
Yeah, right. Sure.
Absolutely. He had every fucking felon you can imagine parading around the convention floor.

Speaker 3 Indeed. Do you ever have any felons at any of the conventions you ran, James? Do you have any ever any speakers fly straight from jail to the stage?

Speaker 4 None that I know of. Probably some, you know, subsequent to.

Speaker 4 I remember a time in politics where it was a bark against you if you were convicted of a felony.

Speaker 3 Well, maybe it still is. What do you think now turning to Kamala to forward-looking?

Speaker 4 So, this is what I think, Tim. Yeah.
First of all, people don't know her, and she's got to understand that. And the Trump people know that people don't know her.
So

Speaker 4 in the next, somebody told me it was

Speaker 4 38 days to the convention. I'm pulling that out of my ass.
So I think someone told me.

Speaker 3 I think it's 28 days.

Speaker 4 It's a battle for definition. And usually summers are not the most exciting times about presidential politics.
I think this one is going to be a little bit more. And

Speaker 4 they need to hurry and get some definition of her. Of course,

Speaker 4 they're going to hit her pretty hard because, and they're hurt.

Speaker 4 It was like yesterday when they got the phone call, oh God, shit, we've got to change everything.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 you're a pilot, and you're getting ready to land the plane, and everything is you, your whole mind is set on landing. And then they say there's a plane to run where you got to do a go-rout.

Speaker 4 You go, oh, shit,

Speaker 4 you have to think, we think your whole mentality. Now, they're trained to do that, where political people are not.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the mentality shift is noteworthy.

Speaker 3 I want to talk a little bit about what Kamala can say, but let's look at the Trump side of this first, because obviously, you're claiming to fame, it's the economy, stupid.

Speaker 3 Tim Alberta pointed out that the Trump people had a frame that they were sticking with, which was strength versus weakness.

Speaker 3 And the debate and the assassination attempt both played right into that frame in a way that was like, in a way that you could only dream about in a campaign, frankly.

Speaker 3 And he wrote yesterday, Alberta, really cannot overstate how problematic this is for the Trump operation. Everything they built was customized for that contest, strength versus weakness with Biden.

Speaker 3 I mean everything.

Speaker 3 And you can see that a little bit. And it's only been 24 hours, but they seem to be flailing a little bit.

Speaker 3 And they're going to attack her on immigration, looking up with stuff to attack her on, but they have lost their North Star a little bit, don't you think?

Speaker 4 I do.

Speaker 4 Let me say this. Tim Alberta is one of the better reporters we have today.
I mean, he's a very,

Speaker 4 very good reporter.

Speaker 4 And, you know, again, it goes back to my analogy.

Speaker 4 They were all prepared to land the airplane. They had the wheels out.
They had the flaps in the right place. They had the towel on.
Okay. And then,

Speaker 4 hey, we got to go back up.

Speaker 3 and that they're fighting the controls now and I think that that what Tim says fits pretty well with my early analogy yeah I want to play for you just because you deserve a little bit of pain this morning James you're riding a little high I want to play for you the voice of Stephen Miller here's him last night on Fox talking about the state of play

Speaker 5 they held a primary People they had ballots. They filled out circles.
They went to the voting booths. They spent money on advertisements.
And as President Trump said,

Speaker 5 the Republican Party spent tens of millions of dollars running against Joe Biden. Now they just woke up one morning and said, never mind, we're canceling the entire primary.

Speaker 5 We're getting rid of our candidate, and we're pretending the election has never even happened. And we're going to let donors handpick a new nominee.

Speaker 3 Oh, pull it on, Nazi. Political Nazi.

Speaker 4 I always knew that guy was odious.

Speaker 3 I never had to listen to a clip that long.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 you see the fear on their face. The Democrat Party is a coup.

Speaker 4 That's how hard they've been hit. That's the depth of their argument.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You can see why he takes it out on immigrants.
So now

Speaker 3 he had to have a tough time in the cafeteria with that voice and face. Oh, God.
You know, in high school.

Speaker 4 You think anybody wanted to hang around him in high school? I don't think. No, no.

Speaker 3 I don't think we need a a professional psychologist to figure out what's happening. No.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 What about their other message that they're going to try to do with the coup thing is that the Biden should resign. Biden must resign.
There's been a cover-up. I don't I don't know.

Speaker 3 I mean, look, as somebody who's been talking about the Biden age problem for a while against interest, like what what do you think is the efficacy of that message?

Speaker 4 Well, what they're probably going to say is that Harris knew he was declining and didn't say anything and put the country in jeopardy. And she's going to, I'm sure she's got a very good answer for it.

Speaker 4 She's got to pull it up and use it for sure.

Speaker 4 But, you know, right now,

Speaker 4 they haven't settled on anything.

Speaker 4 They're just picking up the machine gun and somebody's coming up. But Harris, they have to be very aggressive right now, definition.

Speaker 4 They need to worry less about organizing and more about getting out there.

Speaker 3 The Harris team, you mean, or the Trump team?

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Harris team. And they need to start doing some things and fast.
You know, they can go to, want some more of my ideas, go to a Carlisle Omni War College.

Speaker 4 You know, you got all kinds of people writing a national offense foreign policy speech. I think part of her campaign, and remember, she was a successful

Speaker 4 DA, Attorney General, and she couldn't talk about it in 2020 because of the S an entity and Democratic campaign coach in 2020 wouldn't allow you to talk about that.

Speaker 4 So she'd look looked like an empty vessel. She looked like a, because the real reason.

Speaker 4 She didn't have the story. I mean, she couldn't tell people the real truth.
Well, now the real truth kind of helps her.

Speaker 3 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 It's just how much you change it. And the one thing that people believe, and walk this down,

Speaker 4 they believe these companies are rigging prices, fixing prices. talking to each other to screw them over.

Speaker 4 And she has a consumer background to say, I'm going to have attorney general establish his task force to see what in violation of any trust laws or whatever.

Speaker 4 Then that you using that experience to something that they can't say that people really do care about and they really do think.

Speaker 4 They will say in focus groups, I can't tell you, number people say, but Joe Biden hadn't caused inflation. He's too old to cause inflation.

Speaker 4 Okay, these companies are doing it, but he's too old to stop them.

Speaker 3 So you want a little populace from Kamala. I took on the big banks.
I took on these big corporations. I'm going to go out there and do that.

Speaker 4 But most of all, you're taking on price fixing. Yeah, price fixing.
Because if you try to, I took on this, and I'm going to do away with the capital gains tax,

Speaker 4 you get lost.

Speaker 4 We'll allow them to make a profit as they're time to, but not to make unreasonable predatory profits at the expense of the American people. That's not what I was just saying.

Speaker 3 You're hurting my former Republican free market soul with this message, James, that it seems smart, though. That seems like good politics, maybe.

Speaker 4 think it i think it is good politics and by the way you know adam smith you know really believed in antitrust laws really didn't believe in price fixing okay that that's the most violated thing you can do to capitalism grocery stores aren't aren't you know monopolies but fast foods is a monopoly you know the largest egg companies are and what they have is the top if the top three are talking to each other capitalism loses what it's supposed to be about competition i mean i would argue my

Speaker 4 my argument should fit right into your earlier laissez-faire capitalist instincts okay all right we're gonna try to blend them

Speaker 3 okay

Speaker 3 i'm for that but the prosecutor thing also goes to she had that tweet that she sent out about the bail fund which is going to hurt her but you know she has a record of being strong on law and order she has a record of going after corruption she has a record of going after corrupt politicians and companies like that's where she's got to start, right?

Speaker 3 Like that frame with Trump, or do you think that's a little too...

Speaker 4 Remember, there's one more thing. Falling crime rates.
And not just falling a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Right?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I think that she made a mistake when she didn't take crime as her portfolio as soon as she came into the office of vice president. But,

Speaker 4 you know, best time planning oak tree 25 years ago, second best now.

Speaker 4 Under the Biden-Harris administration, we took over Donald Trump. And crime rate is down 25% of whatever it is.
Pretty good message.

Speaker 3 I agree with that. Obviously, the abortion message is stronger.
Biden was.

Speaker 4 I'm going to interrupt you just so they point. I keep hearing

Speaker 4 what happened to the Democratic Party. How did the Democratic Party fall apart? I was reading something, I might have a sign today by this guy, Tyler Coward, who's, you know, kind of

Speaker 3 an economist up at George Mason.

Speaker 4 I got news for you. The Democratic Party is not falling apart.
It wins elections. Yeah.
Okay, so it hasn't lost an election in two years.

Speaker 4 We were winning every Senate race.

Speaker 4 Every Senate race.

Speaker 4 People had a problem with the fact that Biden was 2-0. The problem is, of course, the Democratic Party is always convoluted and cosmic.
But the Democratic Party has not fallen apart.

Speaker 4 It's a much stronger party if you count elections, which that's a pretty good barometer. And true among some Democrats, that the whole thing is going to hell in a handbasket and the party is

Speaker 4 irretrievably damaged. And that's just not true at all.

Speaker 3 We kept saying this on all the polls. Democratic Center candidates were all winning.

Speaker 3 There's no evidence of any issues.

Speaker 4 And that Michigan poll with Biden's down seven, that was yesterday morning. And I said, I bet you Schlotkin is up.
Look. And he said, well, yeah, she is up.

Speaker 4 And that was everywhere.

Speaker 4 People actually want to vote Democratic. That's a hard thing to say because it's always dims in disarray.
But I think this is a pretty defining moment. I really do.

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Speaker 3 I want to do VPs, but first, all that happy talk, you know, I like to be rain cloud, James. So what worries you about Kamala?

Speaker 4 What worries me is this.

Speaker 4 You think of the great politicians. You say, Reagan, for sure, Clinton, for sure.

Speaker 4 Obama. I guess going back, maybe Eisenhower, I'm a little older, but whatever.

Speaker 4 They were all very competitive, but you know what they all had in common? They never looked like they were trying too hard.

Speaker 4 And once you look like you're trying too hard, and that's something that Harris has got to understand, the line where you look too aggressive. You look like you're Bobby Gender.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you don't want to be Bobby Gendale.

Speaker 4 You don't want to be Bobby Gendal.

Speaker 4 And sometimes I'll look at clips of her, if I were her campaign manager, I'd say, Madam V,

Speaker 4 let's take about 20% off of that.

Speaker 4 And I think one of the things that when women come up in politics, they probably feel like they don't get heard. And so they have to be aggressive.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, she would say that. She would say that.
I think that...

Speaker 3 You know, because my criticism of her in the past is that sometimes she gets in her head.

Speaker 3 And I think that people say, like, because of the way women are treated, because of the abuse you get, because of like the language, you know, that you overthink things like that, you know, a little bit.

Speaker 3 And so when you're overthinking, when you're in your head, then you come off as a little more like you're trying, you know.

Speaker 4 I would say let's try a less, less hard. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Let's be as ambitious as ever, but don't give the people

Speaker 4 that you're trying too hard because it's not a good sales tactic.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I don't know what you think about this.
My advice to the team would be, and has been, she should let it rip.

Speaker 3 If I was her, I would just try to go out there and be like, I can't can't be worried that they're gonna take some clip out of context right like I just got to be me and do me and and maybe that'll be better but I don't know once you start thinking they're gonna do that then you think of every word that you say and then you end up not saying anything and

Speaker 4 I would really really coax self-confidence

Speaker 4 You know, you know, you know what to say. And you're right, they'll take anything and redo it and rework it.
And I'm looking for self-confidence. Like, I'm going to win this goddamn thing.

Speaker 4 You understand?

Speaker 4 And I thought her answer was, I'm going to work hard to earn the nomination. I thought this is just stupid.

Speaker 4 MSNBC, if you don't nominate her, this is an affront to women of color in the intergalactic system and you cannot do this. That's a dumb message.
All right. To her credit.

Speaker 4 She said, I plan on competing for the nomination. You know, by saying that, no one's going to run against you.
If you say I'm entitled to nomination, somebody's going to run against you.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's the smart political thing you say. You know, so far, so good, but we ain't going very far.

Speaker 3 Okay, one more thing you just popped in my head before VPs on the confidence thing. Man, I think the Republicans got to have some regrets that they're a little overconfident right now.

Speaker 3 I look back at that convention and

Speaker 3 the pick of J.D. Vance, just the whole vibe of it was like that they felt like this was a coronation and Trump's rightful return to the throne.

Speaker 3 And all that looks like that was kind of a miss now in retrospect. I don't know.
Do you still pick J.D. Vance if you knew they were going to do this?

Speaker 4 Well, what's interesting is, so let's fast forward Thursday, the 22nd of August in Chicago.

Speaker 4 So it's Harris, her husband, her kids, and I don't know. It's an Andy Bashir.
I don't pick the okay

Speaker 4 of Joshville, a 45-ish guy with three kids and a wife, and they're in the podium and the balloons are dropping. That's, you see, that's signal strength.
Now, they can't do that with J.D. Vance.

Speaker 4 And I'm just saying, I'm not being, I'm just telling you what time it is. You know this.
I know this. His wife is Hindu, is an Indian.
Apparently, clerk for two Supreme Court justices.

Speaker 4 I don't know if it is.

Speaker 4 And they are attacking her right now.

Speaker 3 On the right. The right is.

Speaker 4 And so can they bring J.D. Vance's wife and kids? And I don't know.

Speaker 4 Y'all built that sticky shithouse that you live in. Go ahead and live in it.

Speaker 3 I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 4 But you have, you know how these people are.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Usha took some shit from the right, no doubt.
And I, and I just think that also JD, just like him and Trump sitting next to each other, just take the families out of it.

Speaker 3 Kamala sitting next to Hervie P. Trump and him, he just looks like, he looks sad.
He's like this little kind of, you know, he's got his baby fat still on his face and he's got to say, yes, sir, Mr.

Speaker 3 Trump. Yes, sir, Mr.
Trump.

Speaker 4 And like you know he's been very extreme on the issues i don't know if you're talking about a potential vice presidential pick if if they want somebody to go after trump advance defend her yeah that's somebody three times better than all the rest of them put together who's that mitch landrew all right get mitch out there the best attacker defender you could imagine do you worry a little bit about mitch and kamala having to carry all the biden baggage you know they're gonna make you carry it they're gonna make you carry it no matter what but a little bit you know, if you had for Sheare Shapiro,

Speaker 4 look,

Speaker 4 if you wanted a kind of can-do

Speaker 4 message in a swing state, then you go to Josh.

Speaker 4 If you want a real kind of youth message, appeal to Middle America or something, then you go with Andy.

Speaker 4 I mean, it depends on what you're looking for. At the end of the day, but the thing is, you've got a lot of good choices.

Speaker 3 I like the Mitch idea. I should have mentioned it yesterday because it came to my mind and I forgot.

Speaker 3 Do you think that's conceivable that he'd be in the conversation i mean i think it would be conceivable and where you're doing when you're looking at your potential vice president you know you have a lot of things that you're going to look for the one thing that he excels in is attacking and defending so i was talking with um with liz smith about this my friend who did pete's campaigns now helping the dnc we were just talking about behind the scenes and and her point and i you know with pete there's gay stuff that that you know potentially is like are we going a little too far with the black woman and a gay man i don't know There's maybe some concerns there.

Speaker 3 But her point, which is right in line with yours, is in this day and age, especially given what the Democrats have had and a lack of messaging and the Biden-Harris ticket, like picking somebody that can sit in a TV studio, that can do YouTube videos, that can just be constantly on the attack, delivering messages is like a super valuable trait in modern politics, more so than when you only had to go on the nightly news, you know, and it's sort of a small list.

Speaker 3 I mean, Pete can do it, obviously. Shapiro, I think, can do it well.
Mitch could do it. Like once you get past that, I think maybe like a Chris Murphy could do that.

Speaker 4 Chris Murphy,

Speaker 4 if I were putting parlays or something,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 if I had a like 25 to one shot, I definitely would Chris Murphy because he generates, if not that,

Speaker 4 way older than he looks. And he's...
He's got the one issue that's really potent that Democrats do not exploit, and that's the whole gun issue.

Speaker 4 So I think that you were smart to mention Chris's name. What we're finding out is what people like you and I knew all the time is there's so fucking much talent in a Democratic Party.

Speaker 4 But you start talking about it because you're this guy. We're using this guy.
We can do this. I'll go do that.
Or what about that?

Speaker 4 And I mean, it's kind of a fun game, but there's a lot of people walking around out there that can fill a lot of bills right now.

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Speaker 3 Okay, just two of the top candidates really quick, then I'll let you go. Shapiro, this is basically a Shapiro porn podcast at times.
So I think he's done a great job. I worry.

Speaker 3 The Israel issue, Israel Gaza has been off the table for a while for Democrats. It was obviously a huge problem in the spring.

Speaker 3 He was vocal, rightly, by the way, speaking about against anti-Semitism on campus. He is Jewish.
Do you worry about that becoming a distraction? Very little.

Speaker 4 And when you have the Republican senator at a Trump rally trying to run with you, the Democratic governor, that's a good sign.

Speaker 4 Let me tell you,

Speaker 4 that's

Speaker 3 something that happened for Shapiro.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was something that happened for Shapiro. That's how popular he is.
And his whole reputation is can do stuff.

Speaker 4 I think the goddess stuff, there are reasons that people, you know, feel very intensely about this whole issue. Either side, I just don't think it's going to be that big of a voting issue.

Speaker 4 I mean, some of the young, college young,

Speaker 4 you know, percent of people under 30 go to Ivy League schools.

Speaker 4 Can't count them. It's so small.

Speaker 3 It's kind of nice actually to not have that baggage potentially, just as far as turnout and Madison and Ann Arbor and stuff is concerned, maybe.

Speaker 4 Maybe so, but boy, you know, I mean, it'd bring you a lot.

Speaker 3 Yeah. All right, last one.
Mark Kelly. People floated him.
Astronaut. Great bio.
Arizona, swing state. Some concerns, though, that, you know, I guess a Democrat would have to

Speaker 3 appoint his replacement, Katie Hobbs, but then it's up in 26. And, you know, maybe Chuck doesn't like that.
Maybe isn't quite as compelling.

Speaker 3 He's the most compelling story between him and Gabrielle, but maybe not as compelling, like verbally, as some of the other people we've talked about. What do you think about Kelly?

Speaker 4 Look, he's a very hot pick among

Speaker 4 the kind of

Speaker 4 more elite

Speaker 4 chattering class.

Speaker 4 And my only thing I would say about Senator Kelly is he's a little old.

Speaker 4 Ideally, I'd like to have somebody under 55.

Speaker 3 Because you want to be able to troll that old-ass motherfucker. He's the oldest candidate ever now.

Speaker 3 That's our issue now. It's our issue.
Right, right, right, right.

Speaker 4 I just think we want to project generational change, youth, vigor.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 there are a lot of people we got that can do that with.

Speaker 3 Okay, I agree with that. All right.
Finally, to close. Well, actually, I have one more thing before we close.
What do you got back there? What's your favorite bottle back there?

Speaker 3 You got your whiskey cabinet behind us? You got something? You got a favorite you want to show us if we want to have a victory sip this weekend?

Speaker 4 This is a little bit old, but this is wine. This is a winebock Riesling, which is a hell of a good freaking wine.
People don't understand how good a wine that Driesling can be. Okay.

Speaker 4 They really don't. And

Speaker 4 this is something, I don't even know what this is. Somebody gave it to me.
Vancouver Island Seaside Gin. I love gin.

Speaker 4 Okay. I'm a big gin guy.

Speaker 4 I don't think there's any such thing as a vodka martini.

Speaker 3 A little Vancouver Island Seaside Gin Martini. I might need a seaside gin martini myself this weekend.
There you go. I wanted to have that because I wanted to have a toast to you.

Speaker 3 Because I got to tell you this. I know you've taken some shit over the past year or two, and you don't need to, you don't want to be patting yourself on the back.

Speaker 3 But I got to say, for about a year now james connerville and david axelrod who were the strategists behind the last two successful democratic presidents before joe biden were out there saying repeatedly this is a problem he's too old there's an iceberg ahead we should turn before we get to the iceberg and a bunch of idiots who don't know anything at the Midas touch podcast or like black night 10 on Twitter are like random people have never been on campaigns all these people like are out there like hey hey actually, what I think we should do is press on the gas and speed right into the iceberg.

Speaker 3 And everybody is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And these old fuckers don't know anything.
And I just, we got to speed straight into the iceberg. And I just, I got to say.

Speaker 3 Maybe we should have just listened to people who know a thing or two and have been around politics. Maybe there's something to be said for that.
That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 Because it seems like, I mean, you know, the election isn't won yet, but just vibes-wise, it seems like things are turning out a little okay. I don't know.
One man's opinion.

Speaker 4 Thank you. All for the greater glory of LSU.

Speaker 3 Go, Tigers.

Speaker 3 James Carville, thank you for coming on. Let's go, Tigers.
We got the number one recruit in the country coming next year, Bryce Underwood, out of Michigan. Life is good.
Kamala is brat.

Speaker 3 Tigers are king. Thank you to James Carville.
We'll be back tomorrow with another edition of the Bulwark podcast. See y'all then.
Peace.

Speaker 3 clash it, but I still can't.

Speaker 3 I get money, you get mad because the banks are.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know your little secret, put your hands up.

Speaker 3 It's your IBM song, you're number one. Life on that, calm, clash it in your hand dress.

Speaker 3 Why you lying, you won't walk unless you famous.

Speaker 3 Put that little bitch, you gotta use the names.

Speaker 3 It's your

Speaker 3 song, you're number one.

Speaker 3 You're number one, on, I'm your number one. I'm your number one.
Yeah, it's obvious.

Speaker 3 I'm your number one. I'm your number one.
I'm your number one. Yeah, it's obvious.

Speaker 3 It's okay to just admit that you're dead as to me.

Speaker 3 You're obsessed and just confess it, cause it's obvious.

Speaker 3 I'm your number one. I'm your number one.
I'm your number one. I'm your number one.

Speaker 3 I'm your number one. Your number one.
You're number one. You're number one.

Speaker 3 I'm just living that life on that

Speaker 3 clash. I'm still okay.

Speaker 3 I get money, you get magic, just the backside.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know you need to see good chance.

Speaker 3 It's so worried, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 The Bullard podcast is produced by Katie Cooper with audio engineering and editing by Jason Brown.

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