THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 76 — Cannibal Democrats? Subscription Services? VR Prisons?

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So don't anyone say anything you're going to regret. We got Jack.
We got Tyler. We got Blake.
What is our first topic today? Our first topic tonight, Charlie, Jack, what really wanted us to hit this swattings. Jack, I think you have the details on something I actually know.
Well, there's there's been some reports about some some bad actors, you know, going on and targeting. It seems to be conservative influencers or a group of people, you know, sort of associated with conservative politics.
One is a host at Infowars, Chase Geithner. This, of course, comes, or Geiser, this comes on the heels, of course, of, I believe it's a separate incident, but of course, a horrific murder of an Infowars staffer a couple of days ago in Austin.

But then also and this is kind of new to me. I'm just coming to it.

But Sean Farash, Gunther Edgington and potentially others.

People are asking, texting me saying, hey, you guys OK?

And my parents, people know, were swatted a year ago at Christmastime.

And since then, the industry has did that, I was going to pull up the case a second ago. I was just looking it up, was actually found and extradited to the United States.
It was actually a foreign case. But I guess this guy thought that he could get away with it, but he could not.
And so it seems to be there's not this this another round of swattings that's going on right now. And honestly, it's it's something where I'll just put it like this.
This needs to be looked at for what it is. The reason that these are done is because they want the police to go in their guns blazing.
They want to generate, particularly when you're targeting conservatives, a lot of us are gun owners. A lot of us are strong enthusiasts in exercising our Second Amendment.
I know I certainly am. And so they want to create a situation that could lead to a potential fatal incident or fatal harm.
So when I look at these swatting incidents, they could go sideways very quickly. Now, of course, what's great with my situation is that we've been very, very close with law enforcement.
Our law enforcement has been great in terms of this, in terms of their response, once we realized what was actually going on. But this needs to be looked at from a federal level.
And we got Kash Patel over at the FBI. We've got Pam Bondi at the attorney general's office.
And by the way, I've always said this, and I've been very clear about this. I don't care what side of the political eye you're on.
This is something that, this is why doxing is so evil. This is why swatting is so evil in general, because it can lead to killing.
It can lead to it can lead to fatal outcomes. If someone's not getting knocked at the door, they don't know what's going on.
You know, people do a no knock rage, these types of things. So sometimes they go they go very smoothly and sometimes they don't.
And it's happened in the past or, you know, someone who doesn't know what's going on answers the door. All sorts of things can take place.
So look, I'd say this to anybody, though, who's, you know, who's in this situation, or if you think you might be in a situation like this, make sure you be proactive,

call local law enforcement, get on the books with them, find out whoever the local shift,

you know, whoever's running the shift on there. And, you know, tell them, hey, you know, I might be a potential, I might be a potential target of this or this might be something that's going on.
You know, try to, you know, hopefully have some friends in your local community and local law enforcement. I know I certainly do.
And that's something that helped us a lot. And there's also, by the way, I'll say this as well, there are services out there.
So a lot of these, a lot of these pull from those publicly available databases. Everybody knows about them where you can look up people's addresses and things like this online.
Well, there are actually services that you can get and pay for. I'm not advertising any here, but just go and look into it yourself where you can go and get it.
And it's a little bit of money, but it's not that much money actually at the end of the day where they can run real-time monitoring and actually get your information pulled down from those websites on a rolling basis. And then sometimes if it gets leaked somehow, and it includes, by the way, other PII like email addresses, phone numbers, you can get family members on there, et cetera.
So I get that. I pay for that for my family, and that's something that's helped us really, really well, get it down from those public sites.
It works great yeah so i just i would just highly recommend that to anybody who's worried about this we had an event recently and someone came up threatening and literally reading off my home address like threatening us live on air there uh in front of a lot of people so it's a real problem blake how do we solve this because it's a legitimate issue so i'm looking it up now just as an example because we did that case where they extradited some individuals for swatting. And they got these two guys, a guy from Romania and a guy from Serbia.
Their list of code names that they used for communicating. They charged them with conspiracy.
They charged them with 29 counts. Oh, wait.
Blake, I think that's the ones who targeted my parents. Yeah, it might be.
They had targeted other people, it looks like. So so it would not have just been then but they had 29 counts of threats and false information regarding explosives and four counts of transmitting threats in interstate and foreign commerce wow and like i imagine if these guys are convicted they could get you know several years in prison but i think the way i think the way you crack this down you crack down on this for good is oh nick soar toward you catch someone you catch someone doing this and you say your goal was to have someone get shot by police we are charging you with attempted murder enjoy 40 years in prison and the federal government should do you do it to one person and after that they are the example where everyone thinks i'm not going to swat someone because my stupid feud on the internet is not worth 40 years in prison i completely agree And that's what it is.
It is attempted murder. Tyler.
What if we take everybody that wants to swap people and we put them in ice and we have them target illegals? Or what if we made them live training dummies for SWAT training? Well, no, you just that's getting dark so no no you just anybody that

wants to you know like send police to someone's house right like in tactical gear why don't just make them a part of ice it's like you know how they like rehabilitate former criminals and sometimes like they put them in intelligence communities like just put them in and then go after go after illegals i i will i will say this too that it seems to be a predominantly uh right like on the right problem i don't know a lot of left people that i think this was bipartisan for a time um and i i just have to compliment the police forces though yeah the police forces praise god they've been going in a lot more restrained. And they're getting prepped on this.
And they are getting, for example, where our headquarters is. Everyone can figure that out.
We've sat down with police. And we're on a list that if there's ever a crisis call, they have to now do kind of like a well.
They have to call back and be like, is it actually a. Which actually makes things more dangerous when dangerous when you think like god forbid there was ever a crisis here on the turning point campus now the police are wondering are they going into an actual crisis or is this a prank does that make sense it does i i feel like in real life if that were to happen the benefit we'd have is we have a good number of people here they would get we would get 15 911 calls not only that no no we We have 45 firearms here.
Exactly. That also.
That also. We got a lot of weapons.

The whole tech team there, they could defend Taiwan. We just call them up.
We just call them up. We're like, no, we don't need police protection.
The weaponry in our tech team. Have you seen what they got there? They got stuff I haven't even heard of.
We just call out the police and we're like, yeah, we actually don't need your help, but we do need a cleanup crew here. Ryan says, just send an ambulance.
To be clear, only to take them to the morgue. That's the instruction, actually.
I actually have a theory about that, Charlie, about the right versus the left. I think the left, there's more people that want to hit famous people.
And the famous people, for the most part, they already have plans like that, that you're describing for most of those people. They know to call back, to double check, do all that before they send somebody.
A lot of the people on the right that are kind of up and comer, a lot of influencers and things like that aren't, aren't like known celebrities and things like that. They haven't come up with those plans with the local law enforcement.
So I think it's easier for the left to go after kind of right leaning influencers and, you know, our celebs and do that kind of thing. I mean, I think it's repulsive and I think the FBI should get involved.
I mean, I think it's an interstate. It's almost always interstate.
It's almost never in the same state. Is that correct? Almost never.
And it's it's a growing it's a growing and serious major issue. I'm looking now, and one guy did get 20 years in prison.
There was a swatting in Wichita in 2017 where a man was angry over a beef in the video game Call of Duty World War II. And so he swatted someone, and that got someone killed.
So he got 20 years. Yeah, it started with games, like video games.
Yeah, yeah it started with it like you can tell it games it's totally a thing that just comes from like losers on the internet basically yeah but there's a lot of losers on the internet who care a lot about politics too and so they do destructive stuff like this but i think yeah the fix is well praise god you are an attempted murder i think someone has gotten killed via a swat at some there was yeah that's the Wichita one. I don't know that a politics one has gotten anyone killed.
But I think police forces are getting better and better at receiving these. Don't you agree? Like, they're not.
But, again, I want to just repeat this. God forbid that there's an actual hostage situation or an actual crisis like this.
And they go on not thinking it's real. And it is real.
I mean, it's bad for everybody. I think it's even worse than attempted murder.
I think it's an act of terrorism. I think that it's bad for the entire community, bad for the police force.
I know that might sound like an exorbitant statement, but the goal is absolutely to get people killed. This is unreal.
A man in 2020 died of a heart attack while police police were hitting his house and the swatting was done against him in an attempt to force him to give up his twitter handle at tennessee and this is sick stuff sickos out there man they are they are crazy demented individuals but are they as crazy and demented as the next thing we're going to talk about let's go to that let's go to that all righty all right charlie we got this hot off the presses from charlie today this is made just for thought we had we had other topics in mind but charlie was like no we need this is designed for thought this is like not this is not youtube friendly exactly exactly so this is a story out of and of course it's washington state where so what happens is uh town of Linwoodwood washington is that where emma kate is from we should find out uh no it's just it's just a seattle suburb of course anyway so the town of linwood washington is has a city council and they were going to appoint someone to a vacancy i guess it's a town where that can happen and they settled on an individual named jessica ann roberts 32 years old uh and then and they chose jessica ann roberts over a military veteran who was also contending for the post and then after they made the announcement a few people pointed out wait have you guys actually looked up this person or done any sort of background check? You know, I think I'll just read the headline from the Post Millennial here. Sure.
Breaking. Washington trans OnlyFans City Council appointee rescinds candidacy after cannibal fetish controversy.
That is a headline I don't think, like, chat GPT could generate on its own i think that that's one only real life could create so jessica ann roberts was born neil vincent roberts and has a hidden history as a sex worker that includes an uncontrollable desire to impregnate women and then eat them so in other words this guy was just too normal no basically everything was fine up until the cannibalism is that the line i just want to be clear i think that was after the democrat party everything was cool the tranny part the only fans thing but the eating and it had to be by the way you have to look at this is disgusting it had to be close because you know the democrats are kind of in favor of eating unborn children so they it was probably that they wanted to eat the mom too absolutely over the line for them but yeah we have we have some uh images of uh what they were saying and i believe edited so that they're not super duper horrifying here uh how about we put up uh 176 so they found all the posts this guy was making on a subreddit which we really need to like quarantine reddit in in some capacity but this is a reddit called slash vore v-o-r-e which i guess is short for carnivore or humivore uh is there actually reddits dedicated towards cannibalism of course there are i'm sure but they did ban the one for supporting donald trump so you know are the donald was awesome for the donald it was great it was i got a lot of good content from are the donald's apparently worse than cannibalism i've never been able to in peace i don't in peace i have not been able to find a similar similar synthesized community of like until our group chat you know until i found so so this is a post so it was the discussion preds predators i think i got a question okay okay so how do you like your prey to react when they go down in and once they're in i assume in your stomach i want to get better just in case i find myself a snack and then i'm not sure if the op is that guy or if this other art is it the other aardvark guy who's who's this one uh i love scoping up random girls and taunting them about how they're going to fuel me how their entire life built up to the moment where i snuff them out and use their fat and nutrients to become stronger very healthy and normal and okay and they were like yeah this guy seems legit let's put him on the city council now admittedly they appear to have not known about this but I've got to admit I feel like there were probably warning signs possibly some sort of visible external sign that this individual was mentally unwell and perhaps in the grips of delusions and insanity of some kind is there anything i wonder what could have given away what could have no there must not have been anything there's probably no way to see this coming we can't really blame the city council for this, can we? invented by naturopathic Dr. Dennis Black.
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Yeah, you know, I mean, it's like the great line. They always used to go after Trump for this, for saying, you know, he's talking about illegals, but he always used to bring up Hannibal Lecter on the campaign trail saying, you know, Hannibal Lecter, he wants to have you for dinner, and, you know, talking about the emptying of prisons, and he would sort of use this as a sobriquet to explain sort of the insanity that was going on.
But Charlie, I think it really goes to show you that when we talk about the insanity that is perpetuated in the United States today, and it makes me think of something we talked about in last year in our book that we call we identified called the fried mental model. And there's a lot of people out there that just have an absolutely fried mental model of the world.
Many of them are located in some of these places that are hotbeds of leftism, like a lot of the Washington area is. This is the state of Washington.
So you got Seattle up there. That's where Chaz took place.
I witnessed just insane levels of depravity and degeneracy when I was there. But of course, you see it all throughout the Pacific Northwest.
And these sort of things used to be confined to those areas. But now because of the Internet and because of TikTok, these types of ideas, these types of social contagions and these types of ideals are spread everywhere.
They're just all over the place. And so it's almost like they sort of have a race to the bottom that's going on because leftist politics actually incentivizes this kind of behavior in certain ways.

So that in order to be more risque, in order to be more taboo against the social order, you must push yourself to further and further extreme behaviors. And that's exactly what you got, because you can't take out the fact, right? You can't take out the fact only fans, trans, cannibal fetish, but also that this thing was running for office.
Also views all of that through the political lens. So in leftist politics, these types of things are inseparable.
They are inseparable from leftist politics. I have a question.
This is a feature. This is not a bug.
if you were to argue from a left-wing perspective how what argument could you make that eating human beings is wrong by what standard i actually i don't think you can i mean if if two people love each other very very much and one of them agrees to go into the other's tummy well so so let's just kind of play out with

all the kind of one-liners i hear on campus well charlie it doesn't doesn't impact you they say cause of suffering what if the person's already dead what if you go to a morgue and you strike a deal and you're like i'm just gonna take you know a leg a week just could be deceased you know what Why, under the leftist worldview, is that wrong?

You got me.

No, I mean this non-sarget. Of course, we as conservatives think the body is sacred and it's disgusting and wrong and repulsive and evil to consume a fellow human being.
Otherwise, besides all the other legal – I'm saying morally, what is the left-wing objection to cann cannibalism to go even further like i don't think they could even articulate that like the fact that a person wants to like that if someone would have this fetish that they want to eat someone that this indicates something is wrong with them when it clearly does i mean there's all sorts of stuff like even his public like he oh oh this I guess is his only fans

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like pedo adjacent I of the original guys. Oh, and of course this guy, oh, this wasn't even highlighted in the article.
He's also basically like pedo adjacent. I love the type of prey that knows their purpose in life but is too scared to actually be eaten, so they fight back, even though they know they're only going to turn into fat before they're disposed of.
Personally, I enjoy being a professor, teacher, or babysitter who reluctantly disciplines the children this person should be locked up by eating them i guess yes that's this handsome and gretel thing but to charlie's point that i mean this is the this is what's happened the creep i mean it's literally on all their flags now like just add just add the the cannibalism to it now at this point. These people are absolute freaks.
They're mentally ill. There's no difference.
And you can see even in that, to what you just read, there's this weirdo crossover between all this stuff that they've tried to normalize and to literally murder and cannibalism. I mean, they're talking about about murder that's what they're talking about constantly like in every single one of this post do you think that there is a do you think there are many non-tranny uh cannibals i only know of one other case of the cannibal community what percentage are trannies it's gotta be higher no hannibal had some weird Homosexual stuff, though Was he tranny? Are we talking about Silence of the Lambs? No, no, no.
The Buffalo Bill had the weird sexual stuff. Oh, they did dress up.
I think that there's almost a one-to-one here. I'm not saying all trannies are cannibals.
I'm asking the question, are all cannibals trannies? So now I'm looking up up the only other major cannibalism case I know of. There was a guy in Germany who 25 years ago put up an ad on Craigslist that was basically like, I want to eat somebody and I'm looking for a volunteer.
And a guy answered it and went to his house and was killed and eaten. And the man is currently in prison.
So I'm trying to find out if he had any other you know tells as it were dommer dommer was for sure in today's society wouldn't wouldn't have been gay he would have been trans i'm oh i think i'm onto something here no for sure i'm trying to think of the movie what's the movie where something happens oh it was uh one of the adam sandler movies and what's his face? The actor kills somebody

or he's got a list from high school.

Remember he puts on the lipstick?

I haven't seen this.

Steve Buscemi.

Yeah, Steve Buscemi and Billy Madison.

So it's not quite cannibalism,

but it's murderous weirdo traits

where you have that crossover.

So I think Charlie's right. Deep down down every single cannibal is probably trans i'm just we don't have a lot to go off of the cannibal community is not yet we're gonna have cannibal rights i i i am curious that at the dnc 2028 when they when they nominate just like ai i think that's what they're going to do by the way i think it's ai 2020 i think they're going to nominate an algorithm i'm not kidding i think i don't i don't want to be me charlie but i feel like we're probably closer to like do you think if they made a perfectly if they came out and they're like this ai perfectly replicates donald trump like quite a few people would probably want to vote for that i wouldn't what i am saying though is that if they even entertained pete buddha judge they would totally vote for an algorithm that's fair that's okay pete buddha judge is a man who when he was like 16 years old he made the list of like everything he had to do to become president he's been sociopathically executing it ever since the fact that he's even entertained as a serious contender is like that's like sam he like sam altman created him yes yeah i think like sam altman's first project was pete buddha judge then he did open yeah anyway and then he did this guy that yes evidently uh so the i guess at the democrat 2028 when they say you know open ai 2028 will we have a cannibal rights section on the floor i mean i feel like they should i feel like that would only be fair but who are we to judge their dietary yeah exactly it's just it's by the way it would it would help with the depopulation the population problem it would it would save space in cemeteries it would it would really increase the amount of utility in the world utilitarianly like we should in fact mandate cannibalism so every cannibal deep down is a tranny it's kind of like recycling you know it's like recycling you know i think well yeah i mean so but if your whole goal is about saving the environment to blake's point look at all that protein and nutrients that otherwise could be going to nourish yeah this would have to be the most moral type of meat out there but think about it if we want it if we want to no longer have carbon emissions because of farting cows or because of all the industrial farming, you know, there's millions of people that die in America every single year that could feed starving children.
So are they Green Party or there's have you heard of Blake? Have you ever heard of the the blood this sort of like the scientific idea of like a generation ship like a like a generation spaceship? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've read some theories about that where in a generation ship, so guys, that means like the possibility for interstellar travel, but because it takes so long to travel there at sublight speeds, that you would have multiple generations of families living on this ship before it gets from one planet to the other and that one of the potential uses for the older generation that dies would then be for their bodies and protein to go into like either uh you know creating like a biosphere type thing on the ship or go into some sort of like hydroponic thing or be able to use in the ship's energy etc it's kind of like a matrix sort of thing i don't know it's just it's just something but all kidding aside we'll get to the next segment in the christian tradition we believe the body is sacred and that's why we believe christ actually took human flesh we believe we're actually going to be resurrected again one day that the human body should not be trivialized that there's something special about it that you were made in the image of God, not in the image of a big whopper.
That's right. But as we become less Christian, I'm telling you, cannibalism very well might pop up.
Again, we could all joke about it, but the sarcasm actually is laced in, I want a liberal to come on and tell me, by the liberal liberal standard what is the argument against cannibalism

we should like we we might need to have our first like liberal on thought crime just to like probe

this question oh we got a lot of questions we should find that we can't say more about it but

we should find that guy who was at university of tennessee today oh no you can't you can't you

can't spoil i won't spoil anything no no that one got teed up that was off that was that boy

everyone should subscribe to all of our appropriate channels jack i jack you are gonna love this one

Thank you. you can't spoil i won't spoil anything no no that one got teed that was off that was that boy everyone should subscribe to all of our appropriate channels jack jack you are gonna love this one this one has the opportunity i'm not i don't want to be too has the opportunity to be one of those viral things i've ever done that's all i'm gonna say i think i think it will okay we'll need to that charlie hey blake based on what you heard it's pretty juicy right it sounded pretty amazing to me all right i've got to say that next segment.
Hey, Blake, based on what you heard, it's pretty juicy, right? It sounded pretty amazing to me. All right.
I've got to say that. Next segment.
All right. Next thing.
This is kind of a wild card one, but this is going viral this week. And it's kind of a funny thing.
So, you know, Curtis Yarvin, we've had him on the show before. One of his fun ideas is he said, like, you know, we're going to punish criminals and and we're gonna punish them by putting them in virtual reality prison so we have much better virtual reality tech now we get those goggles you can put on and you can go to the facebook

magical world and hang out with people do anyway that by the way is that like a thing it is a thing

i've never done how is that like different than like age i mean whatever the thing well it wasn't

super successful but what was that game i used to play age of empires no no i'll think of it keep

Thank you. than like age of, I mean, whatever the thing.
Well, it wasn't super successful, but what was that game I used to play? Age of Empires? No, no, I'll think of it. Keep, keep talking.
But anyway, so we're, we, it's more and more. RuneScape.
Oh, RuneScape. Yeah.
Is that still around? Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
It will never die. I'm sorry.
Keep interrupting. I somewhat remember RuneScape.
There's still people who play World of Warcraft, like eight hours, you know, 40 hours a week. I know that still exists.
Well, the original, you original you go way way back you go to the original warcraft and starcraft well those are those are strategy but anyway so this is all teeing up that there are prisons in uh in the i believe in california that like they they have a thing in the central california women's facility they're doing this but there are there's reports now they have prisons where they're giving inmates access to virtual reality gear and they can use this to like go outside the prison basically and according to the reporting that is coming out offenses by these prisoners have gone down 96 percent and so is is the vr is virtual reality prison our future and if it is like is that a good thing because it seems like they might be having a good time with it and i don't know that we want to reward anders breivik or the cannibal guy with like you know lifelong fun times in vr for for being for being bad dudes but if it helps with rehabilitation it's a choice one way or the other would you go to VR prison so let me be let me what what is actually on their VR so the description in this article that I'm looking at in the Guardian that came out a few days ago is this woman is in a women's prison in California but it says two and a half years into a five-year prison sentence. This woman was about Samantha Tovar was about to see Thailand for the first time.
And so she puts on and she basically goes on like a virtual tour of stuff in Thailand. I've used these virtual reality thing.
I don't think they're that good. Yeah.
I mean, have you seen the tech is not there yet? I used AI might make it better, but I've them once, and it was at the Hillary Clinton's DNC in 2016. Facebook was there.
So it's been a while. Yeah, so it's gotten better since then.
Nine years ago. Have you seen the sporting ones, the sporting events? Are they any good? So now they've got this whole thing where you can put on the VR, and you're like on the sidelines sitting in the States.
I know, but is it any good? Yeah, it looks really nice. Is yeah and they've got this whole actually they've got this whole restaurant california now where it's like a vr restaurant where it's like a big screen you're inside it and you feel like you're in the stadium no that's different i i know but i like that but but the the goggle thing bothers me well i think you've i think after a while you feel the goggle you know and it's like you i don't think your mind can get past the fact that you're wearing something that's on top of yourself.
At least, here's where, somebody once told me recently. They said, my relative, my uncle or whatever, works all day, gets home, and just puts on his goggles and spends four hours with them.
I think that's like deeply unhealthy. Oh, I started, this started coming up because I started watching this.
There's some weirdo. I don't I want to get off the trans thing, but there's like a the furry community has all moved on to VR.
Oh, really? I saw this and it has to be. There has to be like a pipeline from people who are furries to there's a there's some if you think you're a type.
If you're like, I like to pretend that tigers ain't eating vegetables. That's what I'm talking about.
That's what they're doing. I think that's exactly right.
So we should put all mentally ill people. I think it's, let's talk about, forget jail, mentally ill people should all be on VR doing mentally ill stuff.
Well, I mean, that gets back to the bigger thing, you know, it's like this guy, well, this guy's a cannibal fetishist. Like, would it be okay to make an extremely detailed VR simulation of him, like, eating those kids?

Probably not.

Well, I guess the question is, what is the purpose of prison?

Is it to punish or to distract?

Well, the truth is, it's kind of all of those.

It's partly to punish.

It's partly to rehabilitate.

It's partly just to protect the public from future crimes. Yeah, I mean, so if it's all about protection, prison is such a joke.
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I mean, if the goal is just to protect the public and, you know, they're not learning helpful skills, just give them a bunch of valiums and muscle relaxers. There's some people that would want to just do that.
I mean, the problem is, is then you're enticing people to want to go to prison, which is the whole argument against those things in the first place. Well, yeah.
And so then all of a sudden it's like, yeah, prison's not that bad. Prison is just really like a lifetime stint in a in like a Web cafe.
But basically every 55 year old man that gets divorced later in life would be like, I'm just going to go to prison. Just sell this thing out for the next 20 years.
Yeah. I mean, that's definitely I mean, there's a huge amount of population that exists of like homeless people and just down in the dumps people.
And then you get to the other argument is, you know, is that better than someone doing something drastic? Yeah. I mean, institutional.
But that's why everyone people got institutionalized for this stuff. We should bring asylums back.
Yeah. whole anti-asylum movement has been a disaster i mean hotel california reopen it that's the difference between institute institutionalization versus prison is there's people that you know probably should be in that realm because that's basically what they did was just hop them up and you know kept them alive it's very funny reading one of the quotes in this guardian article uh is this person who says it's a this ortega guy was you uh using the headset and was visiting like was viewing the eiffel tower basically a transformative scene for ortega was sitting around the eiffel tower you see tourists regular people going to and from work he said and that's when it hit me i want to live life like that i deserve it i owe it to myself on the one hand it's good he reached this realization he shouldn't do crime on the other hand i feel like he was able to see people doing things like that in real life and apparently that didn't make the impression on him he had to do it in the vr video game to actually experience this there's something very bizarre about that what what if you what if you use the headsets but you had to force them to do just educational stuff like go through museums or like do extremely tedious stuff yeah like you have to mow a lawn that like the grass grows back instantly you have to pull weeds endlessly do it they do everything your mom vacuum pull weeds admittedly if we think vr is wrong might be not great even if it's nice it's probably really wrong to use vr to torture people take out the trash can every week i i think what we should do is we should go test out the new vr stuff i think that's what we should do i think a thought crime episode we should do that thought crime in vr that's exactly right we could we could i wonder if i'm gonna i'm gonna get us some good stuff we should find out i'm gonna get all the meta stuff for us oh yeah that's a good idea we have to we have to ride the wave of us being able to do that as long as we can we could have an episode where people could actually vr into the show i don't't know if this is super popular.
Yeah, we could do a VR where the audience is there if they're all in VR things. I just, I mean, I don't know.
I'm not a believer that VR is. I mean, I'm looking at the meta website right now, and the technology looks pretty impressive.
At the same time, I look at, I mean, look at this. This looks like indecipherable than like a 2006 video game.
Or like a bad Pixar movie. A lot of them are bad.
You know what I'm saying? I bought Brooks for Christmas. It was a couple years ago.
But I bought him a meta headset, whatever it was called before that, that was the Palmer thing. Oculus.
I bought him Oculus. And the games were so unplayable.
Oh, dear. You see, if we were in VR, that wouldn't have happened.
So it was so unplayable and it was just like boxy. It looked like it was like Lily Nintendo 64.
I was like, this is... Why don't you play a normal game? It kind of feels like the Wii.
Is the Wii still around? I mean, it exists, but it went out of production a decade ago. Why? The Wii was really popular.
Well, because technology advances, Charlie. Evidently, it doesn't.
Now kids have their Nintendo Switches. Can we put this up on screen? Can we put this screenshot I just had? First of all, this has got all the DEI stuff all over it, but whatever.
So let's put this up. It's called the Super Rumble.
That's not DEI. Those are just like people who aren't white.
Come on. It's on the front page of the website.
I mean, come on. Whatever.
You and I both know what's going on. So it's called Super Rumble or Super Crumble or Super Dumble.
It's probably Super Rumble. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm trying to.
There was one game like the funnest game that they had on VR were the dumb ones. And there was like a lightsaber game.
Yeah, they did a Star Wars VR. The best thing was Nintendo Wii with that little poop.
It was like that, but you went through, it was like Fruit Ninja kind of with lightsabers. We brought church to the metaverse.
Oh, dear. I don't want to know the theology of that church.
Guarantee you it's a little shaky yeah and when jesus said you know i am the vine he meant the vines that were on twitter back in the day i do think that vr is cool for things that where you can't be somewhere so like so for example if you're across the world or across the country and you're really old you can't get to your kid's baptism or you're or like some like play recital or something the future of that is like you could grandpa can put on a headset and feel like he's there i think that's cool i just don't think we're there yet right like that doesn't exist i think they were trying to sell that i they were trying to sell that on tv i think it was a commercial i'm not a believer yet in the technology so we'll see what happens all right next topic all right wait what is our next topic crap I just forgot uh save me Angela what was our next topic no no no there was daylight savings but there was another one oh love is blind we wanted to know I want yeah no this is an important one yes so I've never first of all I I have to really plead ignorance do people watch this millions of people with this is incredibly popular goggles on my oh i don't know about why would they not watch it with vr i mean vr about goggles are expensive charlie so love is not blind everyone took out not everyone took out by the way imagine the mark they should hire me they should not it should not be called love is blind it should be called love is vr and they would sell like five million of these things okay so this was just to remind daisy says hold on she says i watched every season except this one and i repent of my sense i've never even heard of this my wife my wife has been watching this i first season of this around covid time i remember it when i was this on netflix i believe so yeah it's on netflix it's on netflix what how does this show work it i can explain it please real simple you've watched it you have and i've i've had to watch it because i'm like i had to sleep i had no choice i'm trying to follow the storylines try to follow the storylines i have to admit it trash tv is like you know it just goes we'll get there we're gonna but you have two people that they are you have two groups of men and women and they're in separate parts of the house and they have to go into rooms and communicate each other with each other through walls so they can't see each other and so they have to pick a match based off of their conversations and so they normally talk to a handful of people before they pick the person so it's like a death match look at this this looks so dystopian it's basically like look it's in an octagon and everything it's like a sick uh twist on what was that old show called where it was like match game or whatever or the one that jeffrey dommer went on or whatever are back to the cannibal? No, but he went on this thing.

How many shows about cannibals do you watch?

No, this is like a thing.

Maybe it wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer.

He's known about the furries.

He's known about Dahmer.

They're going out of the cannibals.

But this happens to be a crossover.

It's like one of those sick games where you don't see the person

and you have to ask questions, but they do it for like days.

And then they decide to get married right away. So you're in the pod for a long time and you just talk to people it's like a telephone call more or less yeah i think that do they type or it's no it's voice oh it's being love is blind is yes yeah so the idea is they interact only by voice and then they can send each other stuff to infinity They can send each other GIFs and stuff.

But they can't send each other Instagram handles or anything.

No, I don't think they have phones.

I could be wrong.

I'm going to get blasted by girls.

Okay, so there is a little bit of...

I've got to give them credit.

There's some creativity here.

It's not just...

Okay, it's still a complete waste of time,

but we're getting closer to some redemptive value.

It's interesting for the viewer because you can always tell when somebody's not going to be a good match, but they think they're a good match.

And then you waste 45 minutes watching that happen.

And then they're like, oh, yeah.

And then you're like, oh, I can't wait for them to meet because they're going to hate each other when they meet.

Of course Love's Not Blind.

Who came up with this stupid idea?

Yeah, it's extremely dumb.

Okay, but it's – anyway.

I feel it's important to remind people. St.
Paul said you should only get married if you have like the overwhelming for somebody this last season i agree there was a solomon it's better to marry than to burn there was a guy who like look you know you just knew he wasn't gonna like the girl and he saw the girl and he's like he's he's just trying to get out of it then because he like committed to marrying her and so after he saw he's like you could just tell he's like trying to find a way but he spent like five episodes trying to get out of it yeah okay so so so so they they stay they talk and then they they commit to marriage yeah marriage without seeing the other one yes yeah oh yeah so what happens if she's like a horse that's what i'm saying the guy showed up and he's like i don't know if i really like below my standards and then he's trying to get out of it from that point okay because then they have to go live together this is incredible daisy just sent this to me i just want to read it quick they aren't supposed to talk about appearance but one season a guy asked a girl if hypothetically we met at a music festival would i be able to put you on my shoulders that's smart that's smart but you can't ask height or weight you're not supposed to ask about or like race either i think you have to you have to guess by their intonation got it so their nasal so so let me understand so then the uh the the the moment that we saw that went viral with liberal Becky.

Yeah.

Was they never saw each other before that moment.

Do they,

do they only meet at the altar or do they meet in like the days?

Is there a pre-meeting?

There's like a Daisy says,

no wrong.

There's a,

she says I'm typing.

Oh,

so they meet one time before there's a room where they meet.

And I think they can propose at that exact moment.

They can meet if they get engaged.

They don't have to get engaged.

I think they just have to.

So the engagement allows them to meet the person they're going to marry.

Do some people call off the engagement after they meet them?

Oh, yeah.

Probably a majority.

And then they go on a trip together for a week or so.

Yeah.

And they have to, like, live together, which is also.

Yeah, of course. So then they basically live together for a week or so yeah and they have to like live together which is yeah also yeah of course yeah so then they basically live together for a few weeks charlie kirk here in this new year it's going to be exciting 2025 is bringing a regime change in america a chance to reorder and make things right again in our country why not do the same thing for you and your family now's the time to hit your financial reset button and my friends andrew del Del Rey and Todd Avakian with Sierra Pacific Mortgage are the only ones I trust to help you do that.
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So then at the altar, they decide what? Whether to get married, I guess. If they're going to go hang out and get married.
Let me understand this. So before we get into the clip, these two people invited their entire families on camera to have this public humiliation ritual based on something that might not happen i think they all they're sick i think they all have to meet the families no but like they invite them to the wedding that may or may not happen yeah and all these people like yeah we might be on camera and in front of like 100 million people well a lot of these families meet them beforehand so like during the time that they're hanging out before they get married like some of the families get like overly involved so like really know a lot about a sibling will like hey i know this one specific couple because it was hilarious watching this guy see this girl and you could tell like he's really into it really into it and they met and he's like oh that's not my i'm just amazed people still watch TV.
The big picture here, which has to be brought up, is are people who watch reality TV humans? No, it's trash TV. This is 100% trash TV.
We've got to get to the – because we're crescendoing to the cliff. We're building.
It's an orchestra, okay? Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. We're building, okay? Okay, okay.
We're flying down the trench towards the... Look, I guarantee you most of our audience have never heard of this stupid thing before, okay? I guarantee you they have, unfortunately.
A lot of our audience has taken Hillsdale online courses, okay? We have an enlightened little remnant of American society. They're just going to read classic literature, pray the rosary.
I'm telling you right now, a little remnant. They're studying Aristotle when half of the other audiences.
All right. All right.
Tell us, chat. Have you watched Love is Blind or at least heard of Love is Blind? If you've ever heard of the show, email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
Can I just? Oh, my gosh. And if so, you should be taxed.
You're going to have somebody who's like, never. No, I haven't.
No, but I want to make a pitch, though, to defend the people who have, including myself.

That have gone on the show?

No, there's just not very much good TV left.

Like, Netflix is a barren wasteland.

So this is great.

So we turn to this because it's awesome.

No, they're cheap.

All they do is cheap stuff.

I use Netflix.

I used it for one thing, and then it got unuseful for Seinfeld reruns.

Yeah.

And I think they still have it.

I bought them all during COVID. I was like, I hulu has fraser now oh yeah so i got hulu for fraser and seinfeld for netflix and everything else is netflix can we just pause how awful netflix has become last five years it's not you guys should cancel the subscription if you're watching this crap it's such a waste have you canceled there's problem.
I do fine, and I like Seinfeld. For me, by the way, I don't want people to complain about their financial situation, which I'm not.
I'm very blessed. If you're paying for Netflix.
I don't pay for a single subscription service. For the record, I also used it to watch the Thanksgiving football game, of which they did a terrible job promoting.
There is no way you don't have a single mean well i mean i have like my power bill but like i don't have a streaming power bill it's not i don't have i don't have a spot i don't have spotify i do not not have a single subscription like what like power is not a subscription i'm gonna make you download whatever that app is like we no free ads here for that uh no like don't have Amazon Prime. Do they have ads in Netflix now? I don't have Amazon Prime.
There's an app that looks up all your subscriptions. You hook it to your baby account.
I don't have Spotify. I don't have...
See, I have all of these. I'm like, I am streaming.
I don't have any TV. I have a million subscriptions.
I don't have like... I don't have Microsoft.
I don't have Microsoft. I don't have Fubu.
I don't have Microsoft Gaming. I don't have any other video game ones.
I don't have Hulu. I gotulu I got Netflix I got Amazon I got YouTube TV I've made a bunch of people a lot of I don't have like I'm not in like Dollar Shave Club or whatever that stuff is where they like send you a razor every month um oh I've got like Amazon Kindle I'm not on I don't have Kindle I don't have Audible Brooks is on Xbox I've got Sirius XM I'm with Andrew I hate not wanting to watch a sporting event and not having it i and then that's why i peacock i get these emails from peacock i don't care about peacock but the peacock takes the big 10 which is now oregon it's the whole thing's all the prime v i will i will say prime video is good i agree prime is great you know why i like prime i could purchase movies i want to watch yeah and you them forever.
The best of all is YouTube TV. YouTube TV is the best.
Yeah, YouTube TV is good. For live TV, it has great coverage.
Okay, so back to The Love is Blind. I can't believe you don't have a subscription.
I don't think that's crazy. You don't have a magazine subscription? That's like cannibalism.
I read magazines. Are you a cannibal? I'm not subscribed to any online websites, which is why I always have to figure out how to get around people's paywalls why do you even have an email not gaming what what do you have i know i always watch you get any spam that's a subscription that's not a no it's not it's free yeah it's free do you have tsa pre nope why would i need tsa pre-check that one i almost got him that one is a subscription no i don't what about uber plus no u Uber Eats.
I take Uber only for turning point times where I have to fly and get to the airport. That's it.
Uber Eats. I don't think I've gotten a meal delivered by Uber Eats or DoorDash since I came to Arizona.
I've been here two years. Blake has turning point Eats.
It's a lot better. Yeah, it's way better.
This is crazy. I can't believe this.
how this is how one amasses capital as a millennial they avoid the eight million different millennial like consumption taxes all right that's my that's me so speaking of the show i am trying to understand so then let's play this piece of tape so let me understand so it all culminates with liberal woman and beta male dude kind of on the altar in this incredibly viral clip. Let's play the longer clip and keep all of us live, guys.
Let's play it. I love you so much.
But I've always wanted a partner to be on the same wavelength. And so today I can't.
They had the music boom i love you so much and i know i want to stay with you and keep growing our relationship if you'll let me we'll see all of america no no we got to keep playing it no no that's not even there's a couple more clips yeah by the way i would have told her to get out of here and yeah cash my check from love is blind and go away all of america lost total respect for this dude he just looked like such apparently they continue to date for weeks after this even like she was like i can't get married now but like they kept dating which daisy informs us of because she's a watcher of love is blind okay do we have the kicker where she's sitting around her liberal relatives in the car? Yeah. I asked him, too, what his church's views are, and he said he didn't know.
And so then I watched a sermon online. From his church? About, yeah, sexual identity.
Okay. And it was traditional.
told that oh my god it doesn't really have much to say about it you know i want them to think about that stuff sometimes i did wonder if it was surface fun carefree love that we had equality religion um the vaccine the vaccine the vaccine of course the vaccine so i've commented on this extensively the guy is at fault here for a not standing up for himself be not leaving her jack i know you're an avid love is blind fan what is your your oh yeah Yeah, yeah, don an episode yeah no i mean look this this is kind of goes back to you know funny enough like it goes back to what i was saying in the other segment where we've just got too many people in this country that have this fried mental model that are like over socialized uh people are way too invested in politics into their personal lives uh they they bring these things out and they bring these things up as if it's some kind of like deep-seated um commitment to them and and look you know i i certainly want you know people to understand what's going on in their country but the idea that you're going to run your entire life over what someone's views on like elm are or or some you know some kind of like like and if you're just like some normie like that's that's not actually a good situation for the country right like we don't want to be so over politicized we want people to be getting married and having kids and sort of going on about their life and they're having their quality of life be you know somewhat stable and living in a system that's somewhat stable so the fact that the fact that politics in general is so mainstreamed is it just kind of shows how bad things have gotten up into this point you know up through the 2024 moment the 2020 moment obviously because in in a stable society you know people are just kind of going about their lives and you're not going to be mixing politics with like a dating show. Go back to, uh, what was the old, um, oh my gosh, the dating show on MTV, uh, back in the day, like the original dating show, the one that Sean Duffy was on singled out.
Thank you. Singled out.
Uh, producer Files got me in the chat. Um, and like you would never ever hear anyone talk about politics on a dating show in the 90s.

It literally didn't exist. It's like, what music do you listen to? What movies do you like? That's awesome.
You know, and just just just not a thing. Yeah.
And yeah, everyone's chatting. That's Sean Duffy and his wife actually met on The Real World, which was the original reality TV show.
Rachel Compost duffy and their incredible family and obviously incredible relationship um that actually started on another reality show also on mtv called the real world so and the real world did start to edge into the political and religious stuff but not so much that was like the whole point i think because like the idea was they try to put like a bunch of people who are different because like sean duffy's season i just because i looked him up once was like he had they had a person in their house like who because sean duffy was like conservative yeah yeah and then like they had a person who was like had aids so he was like you know because this is the early 90s and so that was much more taboo then but but jack's right like the old dating shows were so much more like fluffy and just fun and stupid right and like just like you never would get that deep that wasn't the point it was like that was it the real world was their first like real reality show which really goes out the truth of this which is the cosmic thing that's important which is one reality tv is actually fake and two people who watch reality tv should not be allowed to vote sorry tyler oh yeah we're we're revoking it like i i am on now that i i don't watch reality tv yet i will continue my jihad against reality tv there's no reality tv that that like is okay to you a decade ago i watched a few episodes of bar rescue because i kind of enjoyed the part where he would explain like how to run a bar correctly like the business side of it was cool but then i realized it was all fake because i saw a preview for an episode and they were like this bar is out of control and the the owner was like a clearly staged shot i were like he just like she's like why are you carrying it that way and he he slaps a tray out of someone's hand. I think the survival shows are fun.
I'm trying to think of the last reality TV show I've watched. Is American Idol reality TV? I feel like that's a game show.
No, I would say no. I would say no.
I don't even think The Apprentice is a reality TV. I disagree.
It's a contest show. American Idol for four or five seasons was objectively game shows are not reality shows american idol was a good show the first five seasons well i think it was a great show i think american idol is cool because we also had some from our high school win so that was yeah you actually had to like achieve something yeah we had someone from our high school literally win it was amazing yeah what's her face i was here in arizona hayley reinhardt uh was her name oh yeah denny wright says that i am a tv snob and they are correct although it's not snob is almost uh overselling i just don't watch tv i think the i like i like even though it's a little bit fake too is uh like naked and afraid and those ones like the survival their survival it's it's cool to watch what was the other way are they gonna die there's a cameraman next to them they're not gonna let him die yeah like whoa wow but they do lose a lot of weight that should be like today's fat camp that would be cool like yeah no angelo likes the gold mining reality shows what are these shows oh yeah there's like ice pickers those are really bad i'm sorry angelo we're gonna shame you like those are the ones on the history channel where they do much time ice road truckers ice road truckers what was so dumb with Ice Road Truckers is the entire conceit of Ice Road Truckers is like, this is a super dangerous job.

And the only reason to watch is, in theory, the ice could break and they would die.

But that never happens.

So what's the point of all of this?

Andrew says this.

Blake, you play more video games than I watch TV, which is worse?

One, I don't think that's actually true. And two, like, who cares? Actually, probably watching TV is worse.
I actually think watching TV could be worse. Yeah, like you're just literally just there.
I think both are largely passive. I think they're both irredeemable.
But what I will say is the I think the CDC or whoever, when they were doing one of their obesity warnings, they were commenting on how much TV is American TV Americans watched. And they were like suggesting you should be more active.
And one of their ways to suggest being more active for the truly hopeless watch 40 hours of TV a week was try playing video games instead because you at least like move your hands. I have a different take.
I think video games are worse because I think veg out TV, like when you're going to sleep or whatever. I think a lot of people do.
That doesn't take away as much other than your sleep, which is health concern. Yeah.
Video games can have a ramp up. Video games.
You have to like go remove yourself from reality, sit in a box and be there. And then the other thing with video games is this is like, it's so lonely.
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Do you play computer games or do you play like console video games? I play some console games, not super often. What? Like what? Is Xbox still around? It's still around.
I don't own one. I don't own a PlayStation.
Is PlayStation still around? PlayStation still around, yeah. What do you play? So when kids say they play video games what what do they play oh that would vary a ton i mean what's the most popular today fortnight probably or what what what console is that in those are on everything nowadays like the big thing today is every game is on every system i play with bro oh because i grew up in a world where halo was only on xbox yeah yeah that's not only nintendo games are like that and then i turned 18 that's like this is, this is a waste of time and I'm going to go build something.
Well, Halo is still only on Xbox. Really? So that's not on PlayStation? No, isn't that on PC now? Well, it's maybe on PC.
It's on PC. So not everything's on everything.
But can we play the Halo music? It's really good. Keep going.
Well, and the guys are concerned. Oh, I never played...
Yeah, I haven't played it in 13 years. We played Halo like it was our day job in high school.
That's how we played. So is Call of Duty still around? Call of Duty.
So I'll play Call of Duty with Brooks. So I play Call of Duty and I'm bad, but there's some fun games on there.
Yeah, there's so many now. And a lot of them I will deliberately avoid because they can be such an addictive time sink.
They play those paradox strategy games where you're just like conquering the world and people will play like 5 000 hours of that i'll play with brooks uh like madden or a hockey game because it's it's like 15 minutes you sit down you play a game and you're out that's not hate this is not halo what is No, play the original.

You know what I'm talking about.

The Halo.

Yeah, seriously.

Even I know that.

By the way, the guy that wrote the Halo song is like a winger.

We talked about that once here on this program.

In Vegas.

He didn't win, unfortunately.

He came in like fourth place.

The original Halo song.

Exactly right.

Okay, so what?

It's a Gregorian chant.

Martin O'Donnell.

Marty O'Donnell.

He came in like third or fourth place. Trump's reporting Republican, by the way.
He's in Vegas. This is good music.
You know why this is good music? It feels like you're on a home screen. Oh, my gosh.
It feels as if you're going through settings. It has that kind of aura.
We used to play all night long in my parents' basement. We would sync up Xboxes and we would play whatever that map.
Blood Gulch and I'm trying to think of the other one. There was like Misty Mountain or something.
Oh man. Oh yeah, yeah.
I remember that one. There was one called Damnation that we played.
I gotta look this up. That was incredible.

We played Capture the Flag. One Flag, Capture the Flag.
People are now listing off random games, and people are

listing Age of Empires. I do still play Age of Empires.
I'm gonna tell you

right now. Which is still awesome.
I'm gonna tell you right now, because they

released... Battle Creek.
Battle Creek, yeah, Battle Creek.

There was the big one, too. Oh, it was...

Hang Em High was good. Hang Em High was good.

But there was this one game,

this map, you can play on the new Halo, because

they have it, and they just revamped it and redid all the originals.

Damnation, one flag, capture the flag.

Okay, so what is Roblox?

Roblox should be illegal.

I think it's like a platform so people can make games in it.

So is that on Xbox?

I think, again, it's on everything.

A lot of kids get really into Roblox. So what is the purpose of Fortnite? What is the thesis? Fortnite, the gimmick of it was it popularized, they call them battle royales.
And so the idea was 100 people would be in a game at once. Is this like the Leroy Jenkins thing? No, that's World of Warcraft.
So this is like 100 people would be in a game at once, which is way more. Like, you know, Halo,v4 at best but this was you can have a hundred people and it's called a battle royale so they go to only one is left um it has other game modes they've added over time too i know what makes it popular is like you can be like any character in it at this point so like you can be spider-man you can be mario you can be like there's a million different characters that you can be well and now call of duty is doing that yeah exactly so call of duty now i you can be a ninja turtle no great i just okay so call of duty that's crazy so basically my my takeaway is that nothing has really changed the same games are still basically the same popular games yeah but They're really nice now.
Dude, Charlie, I completely agree with you.

Oh, okay.

I made a point i had the same thought no i i'm not please jack affirm me because i am a i'm a stranger no so so my kids um you know my kids are kind of at the age where they're starting to like to get you know like video game curious uh we don't have games in the house but they'll like you know we we have like a like a one of those smart tvs and so they could see they could see kind of like you know videos of people playing games or they'll they'll go through the store and look at games and you look at stuff and you're like okay minecraft is just a ripoff of legos in 3d roblox is just a ripoff of minecraft uh There's another one, actually Cernovich was telling me about it the other day, that his kids are into, and I looked into it, and I'm like, this is just a ripoff of all the same games again. And then when you go and look at the actual popular non-building things games, it's literally all the same characters that were popular in the late 80s, early 90s it's like here's another mario here's another sonic here's another ninja turtles and on and on and on and it's like the one uh i'll throw it out like the one that the only one that i've heard that's like kind of new is five nights at freddy's which i'm not even going to get into right now but like the vast majority of games that you go out and see right now like just you know walking through the aisle looking i'm like wait a minute these are all the exact same games and characters that were around like 30 years ago what about the but the only like we brought up the battle royale thing did change everything but other than that there was like no changes so but let me list it off okay so the most popular games of 2025 call of duty i had that and then i grew up madden had that final fantasy 8 rebirth which existed ea sports fc25 i'm guessing is soccer yeah and then minecraft literally nothing has and then grand theft auto is the great gta was huge and i was growing up Is that still popular? No, Grand Theft Auto is the GTA was huge in I was growing up that's still so Grand Theft Auto 5 is the most successful entertainment property of any kind of all time well it says Tetris is more popular no they're they're wrong uh GTA 5 has sold like I think over a hundred million copies there's a there's a 200 million here but yeah oh 200 million yeah there's a new Grand Theft Auto coming out yeah everybody's looking forward one thing that's thing that's wild with this, one reason it's all the same old stuff, is it takes them...
You know how we can't do anything in America anymore because it costs 15 times as much as it used to? Same thing with video games. You used to make a Mario game with a team of 20 people.
Which one was Grand Theft Auto 5? Was that LA? Yeah, yeah. They don't call it LA.
It was like San Andreas, Los Santos. Los Santos in the state of San Andreas.
So they have not done a new Grand Theft Auto in 12 years. It's been a long time.
So let me ask you, have the graphics gotten better in 12 years? They look the same. A bit, but it slowed down a lot.
It used to be you really could tell it goes 2D, 3D. The shadow dimensions and stuff looks largely the same i mean even most games that come out today like on place they're on playstation 5 now most games that come out on playstation 5 will also still have a playstation 4 version well it's just slightly not i don't know call of duty looks a lot better than it was a few years ago i wouldn't know but but i'll tell you this red dead redemption is that the is that red dead redemption 2 that came out like a decade ago.
That came out a while ago, but that is a fun game. That's like Grand Theft Auto, but it's in the Wild West.
You're on a horse. You're on a horse.
That's actually fun. Brooks was playing that for a little bit.
You could just mess around and just hijack horses and stuff like that. So the video game I went all in on was Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic.
Kotar. Anyone else know that? I remember that.
That was a legit... was that was a legit kotar yes at the time wasn't that the most expensive side or dark side though we try you were a kotar guy wait one or two uh i think one uh yeah okay no i tried two and i hated it it was definitely one it was definitely one two was like rushed one did really well and then two was like one rushed one i finished and they used two was super rushed.
It was kind of unfinished, and they used a different developer. So hold on.
It was called a massively multiplayer online role-playing series. What was it? KOTOR was just an RPG.
I never played the online one. What is an RPG? Role-playing game? RPG is a role-playing game.
Which means you can have different directions, right? Yeah, and you level up your character. You adjust their stats no but there's different paths that yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah and then mmorpg massively multiplayer online role-playing games when there's hundreds of people thousands of people not interested in that but yes i uh i took the dark side i think i think knights of the old republic i think that was like the most expensive game ever made when they made it it was like it's supposed to be like you might be thinking of the old republic with just the old republic which was that was an mmorpg that they made it was yeah the old republic was the was the online the tortanic they called it hold on wait maybe i'm confused which one is which so knights of the old republic was your one player it has a story and everything yeah and then there was one called just the old republic i didn't do which came out a decade later and was like massively hyped and we won't so niteville republic came out in 2003 and i'm looking at images of it it looks as good as video games today like that that is not true i think i'm sorry i'm just looking at i think they've made that on vr yeah i think they've made this that game on vr like a maybe a cheaper version that was an objectively good video game it was good but it it does not look like what they're putting out today i will i will contest that one like the last big leap i would say like it's probably about 10 years ago and then since then yeah they improved but it's on the margins and they're like oh you need to have a 4k tv to see this yeah i i've always wanted so one of the the games so the games within the games like on call of duty if you've never played this this is the only time i've sat and played something by myself and it was with with my son with brooks is the zombies thing that is like actually creepy like it gets to different points where if like you're in a dark room and all that stuff it like creeps you out while you're doing it it's interesting all right really quick on daylight savings then we got to run all right well we have to revisit this topic because we're gonna abolish first of all had daylight savings time inflicted on us indirectly because we got shifted back to pacific time and then you know i'm i think we should keep arizona on pacific time yes no i agree tyler and i are in complete alignment.
100%. You feel off.
I totally agree. I definitely feel off now that I'm three hours behind Eastern time.
I love these three hours. It's terrible.
You know why? Because it's 7 o'clock Eastern right now, and everyone's going to bed, and I've got a couple hours to get all my thoughts organized, do some texts, do some emails, and then if I wake up at 730, the East Coast has already sent all their to me so i'm waking up to all of their work it's it is it is more efficient but what if you had to wake up at 4 a.m charlie i'm not i'm not a trader like i'm not a hedge fund manager but you know but charlie what if what if for example you had to pre-tape your show at an early hour yes blake for the record i've woken up at ungodly hours many times for 13 years, okay? I've taken more 6 a.m. flights than I think any person

on the planet besides pilots and flight

attendants.

But yes,

let me just make sure I understand.

The push is to eradicate

any time switch in the winter.

The push is

the time switch. We are on the switch

time right now. So this is the normal

time? No, normal time is in the

winter. The daylight savings time oh no no we should keep it how it is right now no no so that you see this is where we are at war charlie this is a bunch jack and i are at war it's a bunch of ball there see see what we want forget the pacific time what we want though is you know how beautiful it was in dc dc's Sodom.
It's awful. No, it's not beautiful in D.C.
You know how beautiful it was? The sun's setting at 730 now. Yeah.
It's amazing. Everyone was happier, chipper.
Everyone was more pleasant. Why would we not want the sun to be out longer? Charlie, the sun is out the same amount of time.
No, not... It's actually the same amount of time.
If you wake up at 530, it is. If you're a farmer, which most people aren't.
Charlie, the standard time that we use was set by God. I know the farmers don't like daylight saving because they get up early.
Here's the thing. Listen.
And by the way, the sun is not out the same amount of time all year. That's not true.
But it's out the same amount of time regardless of whether we use daylight savings time or not. No, it's not.
No, it's not. First of all, that's not technically true if you design your day around Eastern time, of which I do, because I have a radio show.
So the sun, that's not exactly. Charlie, the sun will be above the horizon the same amount of time whether you are on daylight savings time or not.
I assure you. Technically, you guys, no matter what Charlie Kirk does, the Sun will be above the horizon the same amount of time, whether you are on daylight savings time or not.
I assure you. No matter what Charlie Kirk does, the sun will be up the same amount of time.
You guys are technically correct. Okay, but it gets longer throughout the year.
However, if you configure your clock back or forward a day, then you adjust your own circadian rhythm. I like the sun in the evening yeah sun in evening i am team sun and evening charlie when the sun is going down in the evening is when god was telling us that we should be preparing ourselves for rest by bringing darkness to the world and when we engage in daylight savings time we rebel against god and that is the.
Wait, so you're trying to, just so I understand, so for eight months out of the year, we are on daylight savings time for eight months out of the year. Oh, okay.
I get them confused. And it was invented.
And it didn't use to be this long by the way. Communist Democrats.
See, Andrew's all confused too. Daylight savings time was invented by Democrats.
I don't care who invented what I like it. I like it.
I like I like the beautiful. I like the beautiful evening.
Charlie Kirk's going to go back in time to make sure that like FDR gets elected to six terms as president to reward. All I know is that there's more sunlight because we change the clocks in the evening.
We need to have Huberman on about this. He's on our side with this, right, Jeff? Yeah, Huberman's 100% correct.
Yeah, Huberman's all screwed up on this. Okay? I mean, he's...
He's like, oh, you want morning sun. You know what? I like evening sun.
Evening sun's very good for you. Morning sun? And for the record, he says both are good, but both morning and evening sun could be good for you.
But you can get evening sun no matter what. Why wouldn't you want it's really it's really this is really basic stuff why wouldn't you i think society functions better when you can go home from work and spend time with your family everyone is happier when we spring ahead why would you want to go home in the dark every all year long you can spend time with your family even in the morning that's.
Some people have to have like – To go spend time with your kids? Most people have to work 9 to 5, and at 9 to 5, you're going to have more – So you leave at dark, get home at dark. I think that's crazy.
That's crazy. It's crazy.
Or leave in the morning. Who cares? You're stressed.
You have to go to work. Go home.
Spend time in your front yard or your backyard swinging in the swings with your kids from 6 to 8 p.m completely and i will just note by the way charlie like you are aware that the sun is going down at the same time here in arizona regardless because i am aware but it changes based on your configuration but right that's what's funny is that like the arizona guys are all up in arms over it but i actually doesn't affect them at all it It does if you are on Eastern position time. It doesn't.
I have to wake up now an hour earlier because of time changing. Yeah.
And Charlie's right. You feel different.
So it's either you're going to feel one way or the other. I'm just telling you, I've lived here my whole life.
I feel off when it's more mountain time. I hate it.
I agree. I hate it.
I like being three hours behind.

I see all the news of the day.

I'm processing it.

It has good incoming.

And by the way, we end the show at 11 a.m.

You know how awesome that is?

The whole day ahead of me.

Yep.

All right.

With that, everybody, keep on committing thought crimes,

and I will personally lobby the president to keep it lighter later.

Reject.

Talk to you soon.

Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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