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Joining us now is the great Molly Hemingway from the Federalist. Molly, thank you for joining the program.
Molly, what do you make of this idea that Zelensky might have somebody in his ear or that it was an intentional sabotage? Molly Hemingway. Well, it was so weird to watch him go into this meeting that was ostensibly to get much further down the road of a peace agreement and see him just being unbelievably hostile.
And he had met with all these different members of Congress prior to the meeting. And as everything blew up, they started talking about how either A, they had counseled him before he went into the meeting, or in some cases, like Lindsey Graham said, I counseled him not to behave the way that he behaved.
So you realize that there was a lot of strategy going into why he was operating the way he was and the kind of information he was getting. You know, you even saw the New York Post the day before the meeting was saying, Zelensky, you should take your case directly to the American people because Trump's position isn't popular.
Now, I think they were wrong. But the point is, Zelensky was getting a lot of advice to behave.
At least somewhat in the manner that he ended up behaving. Yeah, but I just I'm trying to understand, though, what does Zelensky want by antagonizing President Trump? What what is the what is the end game here? Now, it's a little tricky because you wouldn't say that a man whose country has been destroyed by war wants war.
But there are aspects where to ending this war that would maybe not go well for Zelensky. He has not had democratic elections for some period of time.
It was part of the martial law that has also seen the shuttering of opposition newspapers, opposition political parties, religious groups that are not aligned with his political preference, you know, and there's no election to hold him democratically accountable. I think he legitimately is concerned that if the elections were held, that he might not win again, and that this might raise questions about what his life is going to be like once the peace is established.
And so he's seeking, and his allies in America and throughout the world are seeking U.S. security guarantees.
And it's a nice euphemism, but what does it mean? Well, ultimately, a security guarantee means nothing unless it means U.S. troops willing to go on the ground to defend Ukraine in this proxy war.
Well, that's not what the American people want. It is absolutely what the media complex wants, what the neocons in our country want, and what Europe wants.
They want us to put our troops and our money to back this security guarantee. And so he thought that he had a shot to get that.
And that's what blowing up the meeting was all about. OK, let's let's play cut one here.
This is Lindsey Graham. You mentioned this cut play cut one.
I told him this morning, I told him, don't take the bait. Don't let the media or anybody else get you into an argument with President Trump.

What he's doing today is resetting the relationship.

You should be grateful.

Now, whether or not we can put this back together, I don't know.

But Zelensky is going to be on your network tonight.

If I were him, I would profusely apologize to the way he treated our president and the vice president and the Oval Office and show a little bit of gratitude for what the American people have done. Now, I'm trying to understand all this.
So first of all, Zelensky did not apologize. I mean, Lindsey Graham is chief neocon.
I mean, he is one of the chieftains. He's one of the grand poobahs of the warmongering machine.
He, alongside of two or three others, design all these failed conflicts and stay up late at night thinking of what other countries to invade. Why is it that Lindsey Graham was so quick to cast Zelensky aside? Do you think that Lindsey felt almost personally violated because Zelensky didn't receive the coaching? Well, first of all, that's the quote that I think is so, so interesting where he says, don't take the bait where these other people are telling you to be hostile, right? I mean, it's interesting.
He's just saying what, what everyone can see that he's getting coaching to be this way. I think Lindsey Graham cares more about continuing the war in Ukraine than he cares about Zelensky.
So when he saw Zelensky completely implode in this Oval Office meeting, he realized that the best chance for the war to continue is to get rid of Zelensky. That way, if someone else comes in, you get a fresh start, and you can continue negotiations, as opposed to what happened that we all saw, if you watched the full, you know, 50 minutes of this meeting of Zelensky just seeming almost crazed in his,

his. that we all saw if you watched the full 50 minutes of this meeting of Zelensky just seeming almost crazed in his hostility toward Trump and Vance.
So I want to now get into your, let's say, back and forth with Susan Rice. What happened here? Explain it to our audience and what did you learn? Well, it was just interesting.
Immediately after everything blows up, Susan Rice goes on CNN to talk about the situation. And she says a lot of stuff that's really interesting.
A, she opposes the peace deal that would be good for the United States. That alone is kind of shocking to see a former national security adviser openly advocating against a peace deal that's in the United States' interest.
She also reveals all this knowledge of what was in the mineral agreement. You know, she kind of is suggesting she has deep insider knowledge about what was the agreement that Trump wanted Zelensky to sign about the minerals in Ukraine that could help repay us for all the money that taxpayers have spent there.
She had the same talking point as Zelensky about concrete security agreements, meaning having U.S. troops on the ground if they can make that happen.
And then she just like mischaracterized Trump's behavior. She was so immediate with this that you could say, okay, well, maybe this is just Democrat talking points.
And it really could be. But given that it's Susan Rice, and given how she runs operations, information operations, which she did, you know, with the Benghazi disaster, where she immediately went out and lied and said that the attack on 9-11 was not part of Islamist attacks on the U.S., it was just an organic protest about a YouTube video that an American had made.

And then she proceeded to try to criminalize the First Amendment and all that. She also did the Russia collusion hook.
She was in that very tiny meeting at the end of the Obama administration where they kind of hatched what to do with the Russia. So she just that's kind of like what she does.
She was U.N. ambassador.
She was national security adviser. So seeing that she was out there immediately with this information operation, it looked like she might be knowledgeable of the effort to get Zelensky to do what he did or, you know, and and and so I just think that was interesting.
We haven't heard from Susan Rice in quite some time, so it's rather odd that it's coming out now. What what would you say is a probable outcome here, Molly? And in closing, what do you make of the Europeans now talking a big game that they're going to defend Ukraine? Well, it is a fraught situation.
And it's, by the way, Ukraine has been a fraught situation since the implosion of the Soviet Union back during the George H.W. Bush administration.
It's something we have to be very careful of. So I don't know how things are going to end.
I do think Zelensky should stop taking advice from the people who are telling him to be hostile toward American voters and Trump. But a good outcome would be if the European countries really did start spending more on their own defense and did more to back their claims that Russia is a serious threat.
A great outcome would

be an end to this war on the best possible grounding for Ukraine. I think Trump still

wants that. I hope he doesn't want it at the expense of American interest, but hopefully

we'll get it there. I don't know if Zelensky will survive being president of his country for much

longer. Molly Hemingway from The Federalist.

Excellent work as always.

Thanks so much.

Thank you.

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I want to play more pieces of tape here.

I think it's very important to kind of get a full picture

of the fallout regarding the Ukraine meeting.

Let's play cut 10.

So I share the disillusionment that Ambassador McFaul was talking about. This was a disgraceful performance by the president of the United States, a disgraceful performance by the vice president.
They have humiliated the United States on the world stage. It reinforces all the suspicions of our European partners that America can no longer be trusted as an ally.
And I think at the end of the day, you know, perhaps this puts to rest some of the things we've been we've been hearing that, you know, there are some members in the GOP, for example, senators and others who are trying to to change President Trump's mind. I think that's gone at this point.
Look, none of this should be a shock to you guys. You guys know the stated position of President Trump, which is that no longer will be our nation be taken advantage of.
But understand, President Trump is doing very, very high stakes diplomacy here, incredibly high stakes. And Zelensky does not want to engage with that.
You have to ask the question, would Zelensky rather be conquered by Putin and die fighting than do a deal? He doesn't have a country. Do you know what the average age of a soldier in Ukraine is? The average age, 43 years old.
The average age of a soldier in Ukraine is 43. They are taking aging fathers out from communities and farms and putting them on the front lines into the meat grinder.
And for what? And what did Zelensky run on? Oh, that's right. He canceled elections.
You don't know if he even has the support of his people. Ukraine is one of the oldest countries in the world on average.
They are burning up their future. They are destroying their demography.
For what? An extra 50 miles of land that you may or may not control? Strike a deal. But Zelensky has other means, other goals, and some means to get there.
What they are exactly, I'm not sure. And Zelensky keeps on saying, well, my people want this.
How do you know what your people want if you don't have an election? Abraham Lincoln had an election amidst the American Civil War. FDR had elections in the midst of World War II.
It's possible to do elections in the midst of war, conflict, strife. You see, Zelensky is playing with something very dangerous here.
And the Europeans, it's all just a big show. It's all a big show.
The Irish are coming out. Yeah, again, I love Ireland and I love the Irish people.
It's not exactly the mighty fighting force of the Irish are going to stop the Russians. We are risking the highest level stakes.
And President Trump was right when he said that. You don't know.
You do not have the cards. And for anybody that says, oh, President Trump was disrespectful to Zelensky, you got to reprogram.
It's Zelensky that was disrespectful to President Trump. President Trump sat there nicely for 40 minutes.
For 40 minutes. Trump rolled out the red carpet, literally the red carpet.
It was an official state visit. the honor guard lining the driveway, the whole, all the trappings.
And Zelensky comes in with his arms crossed, threatening the United States of America, effectively threatening our country and threatening all of you. And Zelensky is now even done with Lindsey Graham.
He's done. President Donald Trump wants to broker an end to the killing, a peace deal that will transcend all peace deals.
But the warmongers in this country and Zelensky, and he's just blinded by war. You just have to kind of cast him aside.
But for our own citizens and our own ruling class, the media chattering class, they want U.S. Marines in Kiev, and that's not going to happen.
Peace is a threat to the warmongers. If we have permanent peace, what are these people going to do all day long? The job justification of our permanent general class, what are they going to do? This whole thing puts on display the military-industrial complex, the permanent, unelected, bureaucratic, scientific elite, and there will be no winner.
There are only losers. This is a Pyrrhic victory, as they would say, that even if you win, you lose.
Even if you are the winner, you have no people left. Over 1.2 million people have been killed.
That we know of. Entire generations are missing.
Towns are gone. And Zelensky won't come to the table? That's morally objectionable.
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Joining us now is Todd Bensman, fellow for the Center for Immigration Studies, author of Overrun. But honestly, Todd, you're going gonna have to come up with a new title and a new book because we're not overrun any longer.
Todd, welcome to the program. Todd is the premier expert on the southern border invasion.
Todd, in the last month of Biden's regime, how many people on average were crossing the southern border? And now what have we seen over the last 30 days? Right. We've seen the numbers drop from the last month Biden administration by two thirds just through January.
And now it's down by another two thirds to for February, 8,326 illegal crossings of apprehensions.

All of those people have been detained and expelled or are being expelled right now. None of them are being released.
That number, according to Mike Banks, the new chief of Border Patrol, is the lowest number in U.S. recorded history.
Just to give you an idea, 8,000 may sound like a lot to the uninitiated, but in December of 2023, which was the height of the whole thing, if you include the parolees that they were letting fly in and cross in over the land ports plus illegal immigrants, it was close to 400,000. So that's the night and day.
I mean, that's kind of a norm, an unbelievable norm, 8,000 a day. I hope that they can maintain that.
If they do, we'll have the lowest year of illegal immigration on record. So I just want to repeat that.
So how many people a day on average under Biden? It was almost sometimes five to ten thousand a day. Is that correct?

That's right. The typical day was 7,000 to 8,000 a day, but that ranged up to 14,000 a day.

Very often we had 9,000, 10,000, 12,000 a day.

It was just an absolute torrent of humanity. And the reason is simply, I know you know this, but we were releasing most of them into the interior.
And once word of that spreads, they're willing to lay down their smuggling fee money and gamble that they're going to get into. All that was ever necessary here.
We didn't need some big Senate bill, Senate bill, the Lankford Senate bill. Remember the Harris campaign? What a fraud that guy is.
Senator Lankford, that guy needs to be removed from office. Senator Lankford is a complete fraud.
Please continue. Oh, root causes.
We have to fix the root causes of immigration. And we've got to do a Marshall Plan in Central America.
We have to have comprehensive immigration reform that's going to take years and complex bipartisan deals and all that kind of stuff. No, all that was ever needed was a push of a button, which is follow the law as it exists.
Detention, expulsion, deportation proceedings, no catch and release. That's all that was ever needed.
It took all of one hour on inauguration day to close the southern border or to get it as close to operationally secure as I think we can ever really hope to get it. The operational secure border is zero.
So if you just have two or three hundred a day coming in, I mean, we just that's pretty good. take it.
That's a win. The issue there is that we let America think that there was some big complicated thing going on, that we're just victims.
We have to just curl up in a fetal position and take the beating because that's just the way the world is. It never was that.
It never was that. All that was ever needed was detention, deportation, expulsion, no catch and release, period.
End of story. It's over.
Now, having said that, probably at the cost of my book sales, whatever it is the truth, that we can't let off the gas because Trump, the policies that he's put in place, those policies which are in line with the law, the law requires those things, have to be maintained rigorously. You can't make exceptions.
It has to be evenly applied border length or the duration, or they will reverse.

It will come back. But right now you're seeing reverse migration.
You're seeing in the Darien Gap, which I visited in August, there were thousands of people all around me moving north in the transition period when Biden was still in office. They're reversing.
They're going back the other way. Thousands moving from Mexico back through Panama and then back around to Colombia and going home to supposedly very dangerous countries that we had to give them refuge from, sanctuary and asylum from.
They're returning to those countries in large numbers. So this is really extraordinary.
I want to say one other thing that we're not done. The Trump administration is just at the beginning.
They have to hermetically close that border. They got to stop the bleeding first.
Then they've got a big cleanup in the interior. We have 10, 12 million.
Nobody really knows how many came in over the last four years. And that's where the Trump administration is gearing up an infrastructure right now.
And then there's the cartels. That's part of the policy and fentanyl trafficking.
So the whole three part program isn't over yet. It's just that the first part, the most important part, maybe, is that the blood is stopped.

so so todd i there i just want to repeat those numbers 277 a day and all of which are being returned to their country of origin they're not being released into the interior

one one thing that is striking to me before we dive more into the cleanup is that how prepared President Trump's team was for that. You say that it's the lowest ever recorded, but that means that President Trump is even beating his records from the first Trump term.
What did the Trump team learn, especially during those four years off, so that day one, they were so prepared, where in the first term, they were still figuring this out? Right. This is definitely lower than even the first term.
The big change was to bring the Mexican military on board. They used that 25% trade tariff cudgel, sledgehammer.
If you don't put out down there, Mexico, we're going to put your economy in recession inside of a month or two with these trade tariffs. So they put out 10,000 troops that are turning anybody that they catch back down into Southern Mexico and even doing their own deportations from southern Mexico to home countries.
The Trump administration did that in the first, in 1.0, but they did it much later in the administration. Now they did it first in using the cudgel of a trade sanction.
So that was huge. And the other thing is that we're using something called 212F, which is an instant expulsion authority that's clearly spelled out in current law, the INA, 212F.
Go Google it, look it up. There's been some litigation with it, but it allows the president to instantly expel all comers without providing asylum.
Now, they expected there'd be some litigation, so they put in behind it, remain in Mexico, which also allows quick expulsions. You can claim asylum, but you have to wait in Mexico.
You don't get released.

That's a huge, that's the big thing. That has been vetted all the way to the Supreme Court from Trump 1.0.
So that's ready to go to as a, they've got multi-layered architecture in there. They put far more military personnel down there for spotting to be able to fill gaps and to be in places where Border Patrol isn't.
And that's making an impact. But another big impact is the fact that since they're not releasing everybody that comes to the border, they don't need Border Patrol to process them in.
So they're out there catching illegal immigrants and detaining them instead of doing babysitting and providing baby formula and food and water while they process people into the interior. Everything's different than the first time time.
They definitely learned a lot from one point on how to shut that border down. And also that the there were several Supreme Court decisions that laid the basis that they could move quickly.
Remember last time there was injunction after injunction. You can't build the wall of military equipment.
You can't deport. You can't do that.
They've remained in Mexico on forward. All that is now settled.
Is that correct? That's correct. And that wall will be built.
They're already getting it, getting things ginned up for that. That will be built, too.
So all of those things are, you know, they can't be lit. They were litigated.
Almost all their policies were frozen and neutralized during the beginning of Trump 1.0. As soon as the world found out that Trump wasn't actually doing the things that he promised in 1.0, they came in massive waves.
We had like 900,000, almost a million family units cross in, and Trump couldn't really do anything about it because he was litigated. He was his hands were all tied.
None of that's the case now. And just a reminder, everybody, James Lankford, if you're from Oklahoma, that guy lied to you.
He went and tried to do a deal with the worst people in the world, the Democrats, saying, oh, we need all this money to secure the border. No, what you needed was President Trump.
And you gave the Democrats an unnecessary talking point throughout the election that probably helped them win one or two extra Senate seats. That's all on Mr.
Lankford. So don't forget that.
Lankford, oh, we need to have a bipartisan bill. No, we didn't.
And he was the lackey for Kamala Harris. I'll never forget that.
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So Todd, how many illegals are in the interior of our country and how do we remove them? Well, the Center for Immigration Studies estimates that there's somewhere on the order of about 12 million that came in under this particular historic crisis. So those are recent arrivals.
Most of them or many of them are on public welfare systems, and some of them are in sort of like a quasi-legal state of applying for different kinds of benefits. So there's going to be, we can't just swoop in and get everybody.
But there are undoubtedly many millions that are completely illegal. There's at least half a million or 650,000 criminal aliens that are immediately deportable.
If we can get, if we can lay hands on them, 1.4 million who are under final judicial orders to be removed, but that the last administration refused to ever remove anybody. And then you've got everybody else that haven't been, they haven't gotten in any trouble yet.
They haven't been through all the appeals. There are people who are here on parole programs.
So all different categories, plenty of work to do to be able to look at it this way. It's like a category nine hurricane just raked the country for four years back and forth.
And now you've got this mammoth cleanup to do. And it's not going to be easy.
It's going to be expensive. And it's going to take phases to do the mass deportations.
And one of the key problems, challenges, is that the Biden administration systematically dismantled the detention deportation machine. And there's parts laying all over the garage, basically.
So you have Tom Homan. Everybody's got to come in and rebuild that infrastructure to rebuild that machine and get it tuned up.
So chill out. It's going to happen.
It's just going to take a little bit of time. But they've moved out 50,000 criminal aliens already in a month or month and a half.
That's 50,000 of the worst, first worst, they said, and many more are like that are coming. But eventually they will expand out as they get more detention space, more officers, more of everything.
There's $175 billion request in the current budget package for this kind of work. We will need to see that if they want to get the infrastructure back to where it was before Biden wrecked it.
Explain to the audience, or especially to me, the tension between states that declare themselves sanctuary states like California and federal immigration law. Has that been settled? It's being settled.
The problem is that we call it sanctuary policy. These are sanctuary cities.
I don't really like that term. The term sort of papers over what it's really at root about.
At root, what sanctuary policy is about is that local police chiefs, sheriffs, prison officials won't simply call ICE, pick up the phone and call ICE and let them know when a criminal alien is about to be released so that ICE can be right there to pick them up and they don't enjoy one moment of freedom. And then we deport them.
They won't do that simple thing. Well, that is mostly the category of immigrants that you're talking about there are criminals.
Why any mayor or police chief or sheriff anywhere in the world would be down with that to inflict those kinds of illegal aliens on their own people, I'll never understand as long as I live, but they're doing that. That makes ICE officers have to go track them down at their homes or in their workplaces or whatever.
And it's an officer safety issue. It's not easy to catch them.
You're going to find all kinds of other illegal aliens around them that aren't criminals that have to be swept up as well. It's not efficient and it's not safe.
And I think what the Trump administration is endeavoring to do is to withdraw federal funding from sanctuary jurisdictions until they play ball. And why wouldn't you want to play ball on something like that? Why wouldn't you? So, Todd, your next book is going to be called Once Overrun, Now Liberated.
That should be the new title.

Thank you, Todd.

Excellent work.

Come back anytime.

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