The Sad, Disinvited RINOS + Elon & Vance + Maine Defies Trump

Okay, everybody, it's in the Charlie Kirk show. J.D.
Vance gives an amazing speech about what is happening in Germany and the geopolitical implications of such. We break down why Maine still has men winning awards and medals, a shocking story, what we can do to end the law fair, and a very weak summit from the disinvited crew of the people that used to be involved in the Republican Party.
And finally, why is Senator Tom

Cotton stopping some of President Trump's nominees? We explore. Email us as always freedom at

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Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie.
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We are doing our summer student event again in Tampa, Florida in July. Momentarily, after the conclusion of our time together today, I'll be getting into a car and going to the University of South Florida for the kickoff of the American comeback tour.
We mention frequently here on this program how Donald Trump has remade the Republican Party, how Donald Trump has kicked some of the rough edges of the Republican Party out.

And this is more clear than ever, given President Trump's approach to foreign policy. Unafraid to call Zelensky a dictator, which of course he is, saying that I'm going to go visit Russia and Putin should go visit America.
We're going to go broker peace. and as we are continuing the great revealing, which is what we are living through, the great revealing, it's more and more clear how not just ideologically weak, but also unimpressive, the previous ruling class of the conservative movement was.
This weekend, of course, is CPAC and everything happening there. But also, there is this other event that is very important to emphasize.
It goes to show what used to be within our ranks. In fact, included in this event, the principles first summit are people that used to be in

Trump one, the first Trump administration.

So this is, it's this weekend.

It's the principles first summit.

Of course, they're doing it in Washington DC is only place they could draw a crowd.

And it is a very treacherous group of characters that are gathering. Some of whom I don't even know who they are, but let's just emphasize a couple.
John Bolton. John Bolton was the national security advisor for President Trump in the first administration, one of them.
Alyssa Farah. Alyssa Farah worked for Mike Pence and was a top-level communications director for President Trump and his administration in the first term.
You've got Stephen Richer, who we helped get rid of, by the way, in Maricopa County as Maricopa County recorder. You have Harry Dunn, who was one of the January 6th police officers, I believe.
Mark Cuban, Jared Polis, Chris Christie. Remember when Chris Christie used to be, I was going to say running around, but that wouldn't be fair.
I was going to say he used to be running around all of our circles. Say he was, what's the better word? Shaking around? Something like that.
That's a bad visual. Got George Conway.
Goodness gracious. Adam Kinzinger.
This year is the roster of the individuals that have been extracized out of the Republican party. Their top speaker being a likely Democrat candidate in 2028 says a lot.
What do these people believe? Now they're gathering, you can call them rhinos and all that, but it's much more interesting than that. The one thing that unites every single one of these people, actually two things, is their belief in neoconservative foreign policy, number one, and number two, is their admiration of the security state, the unquestioning gospel that is delivered from the Central Intelligence Agency, from our intel agencies.
You have Asa Hutchinson, who was defending kids being chemically castrated. This here should give you such comfort of what Donald Trump has kicked out of our party and what you have kicked out of our party.
Michael Steele, who used to be the chairman of the Republican Party in a time long gone. Jeff Duncan, who is or was the lieutenant governor of Georgia.

And what they represent is a statist wing of the now changed Republican Party. And they know there's no place for them in this Republican Party.
They know that. They hate Doge because it might actually challenge the money train that they have benefited for quite some time.
They don't want an open border.

And this is an extension of the damage that the Bush junta did to this country. And they should try to do this conference in any other city.
Try to do this conference in Scottsdale or in Miami. Now, you could only do this in Washington in Washington, DC.
It's the only constituency in the country that would dare even entertain this nonsense. But it's a very, very important point because as we look at this roster, as you put it up on screen, understand there are still elements of the Republican party that are currently in office that agree with all these people, but they're sleeper cells within our ranks.
Now, of course, we love disagreement. That's never been the issue.
If you want to be Susan Collins and you want to disagree with us publicly, let's have at it. Let's lay it down.
I'll respect you. That is not the issue.
The issue is people who lie and say that they are from deep red States. When in reality, they're not, they say that they are Trump faithful.
They say they are loyal to the agenda. You go look at their website.
There's, you know, how many, there's a lot of us senators that agree with this nonsense. in such a time warp back to 2012.
You read this.

A lot of U.S. senators that agree with this nonsense.
It's such a time warp back to 2012. You read this.
A lot of these are just abstractions as you go through this. The most important question, though, is what do they believe is the role of American foreign policy? Every single person at this event supports sending more money to Ukraine.
Every single person of this now dead Republican party believes that deportations are cruel and unusual. And now you compare it with the current leadership structure.
And it's not even that the list is that bad of the principles on their website. I mean, see, you know, we believe in the constitution.
Of course, we believe in all that. But it's so obvious why they're holding a lame rebel conference instead of hosting the president.
They're lame and they're weak. Hexeth just announced an 8% annual cut at the Department of Defense.
But let me reiterate, there are so many people in the Republican Party, in the U.S. Senate, that hold these neoconservative, neoliberal views.
And just so we are clear, what is a neoconservative? A neoconservative is a modern day empire builder. They want to invade the world and invite the world.
Neoconservatism is an outgrowth of Marxist ideology. It is statism at its core.
That we can go bring the American foreign policy machine to a country near you and bring democracy to Baghdad or bring democracy to Kabul. The project of Karl Rove, the project of George W.
Bush, it really comes all down to Bush, really. There was a president who said all the superficial stuff that all of these other guys say, but was an inept ideological and practical failure.
And the metamorphosis is continuing. But the point I want to reiterate to all of you is that there are still a lot of senators right now that talk a good game when it comes to President Trump, and they're not always there.
Some that really might surprise you. And there's been some that have stepped up to the plate and have done a great job.
But there's other senators that there's some questions. One in particular that is finally meeting with one of Trump's nominees, and I'm glad to hear it, but it's been a slow walk towards it.
And he definitely comes from the foreign policy camp of Bill Kristol, from George W. Bush, from Dick Cheney.
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Vance has a very good friend. His name is Elbridge Colby.
I've got to know Elbridge, extremely thoughtful man who is against the Bush-Junta philosophy, as we have seen and articulated in the previous segment about this ridiculous gathering that they're doing. Elbridge Colby has been nominated by the president

because he earned it to be basically a third in line

at the Department of Defense.

It's called the Undersecretary for Policy.

Very, very important job.

Extremely important job.

So Elbridge Colby is not that controversial.

In fact, he's incredibly qualified.

You can listen to his conversation with Tucker Carlson.

He's thoughtful. He understands the issues.
He is as good as it gets. And he has written the premier book on the rise of the Chinese Communist Party, on the looming danger, the clear and present danger of the CCP.
And for whatever reason, we haven't been able to get a good answer. His nomination has been stalled and is being opposed by Senator Tom Cotton.
Now, thankfully, we're moving in the right direction here. Senator Tom Cotton, I've known him for quite a while.
I have nothing personal against him. I don't.
I think he's

phenomenal on immigration. I think he's great on crime.
He's the one that was encouraging the president to invoke the Insurrection Act during all of the Floydapalooza stuff. So he's great on a lot of issues.
On foreign policy, we are on completely different planets. I've said that before on this program.
Tom Cotton's foreign policy views are indecipherable from that of Dick Cheney and Bill Kristol. And you don't have to take my word for it.
You can go look at the information and see what he says. His criticism when it comes to Ukraine is that Joe Biden did not do enough.
He said we did not send enough money. We did not send enough weapons.

That was his criticism on Ukraine.

You can look it up.

Please find the tweet, guys.

I can read it on air.

And so what's really going on here

with the Elbridge-Colby-Tom Cotton collision

is that it's a philosophical

and a worldview schism that is unfolding.

I've now sent out two tweets. They've been seen millions of times, about seven or eight million times, asking the question why Senator Tom Cotton is getting in Elbridge Colby's way to become third in line.
It's one of Trump's picks. We don't know the answer to that question.
It's probably because Senator Tom Cotton is getting a little worried that the Bill

Crystal, George W. Bush foreign policy regime is coming to an end.

It is sunsetting.

Now, of course, every senator is able to ask robust questions to get assurances.

All of that is fine.

But it goes beyond that.

Senator Cotton has called the president directly trying to undermine Elbridge Colby's nomination. Senator Tom Cotton has been trying everything he possibly can to derail this and saying, oh, I'm actually not trying to derail it.
A lot of this is behind the scenes stuff that is now, of course, publicly reported. I'm happy to say, though, that Elbridge Colby is now meeting with Senator Tom Cotton.

And hopefully that will proceed.

But I would love for those of you in the great state of Arkansas to chime in and to give your opinions or anyone.

How would you feel if Senator Cotton or other senators like him decide to vote against President Trump's nominees?

It's not enough just to do Bobby Kennedy and cash.

All that is great, Tulsi Gabbard. But now we are talking about the inner workings of these departments.
And Elbridge's book, which you guys should all check out, The Strategy of Denial, American Defense in an Age of Great Power Conflict, is one of the most thoughtful pieces of work. He is resolutely pro-Israel, obviously America first.
And the criticism that they have against Elbridge Colby is that Elbridge basically has written that he does not want to go to war against Iran. That's it.
That is their criticism. He has been very clear that we should not get into a kinetic bombing campaign, a ground war against Iran.
And for that, it has resulted in a tension point.

And you're seeing the ideological rift unfold.

And I have been helping lead the X and the Twitter chatter here.

Again, I hope Senator Cotton does the right thing.

This is not against him personally.

But I can tell you if he does oppose some of these nominees, that the grassroots of Arkansas are not going to like that. They're not going to like the fact that President Trump won a declarative mandate election and he's not able to get his cabinet positions in and his sub-cabinet positions in deputies, third in control, fourth in control.
We have one tweet from Senator Cotton about Ukraine. No timidity and half measures.
Time to send Ukraine the weapons needed to end this invasion. Well, we did send the weapons.
Did the invasion end? Of course not. So Senator Cotton, hope you'll do the right thing.
I know you're meeting with Bridge. Get behind this nomination.
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So President Donald Trump signed an executive order saying that men will not compete in female sports, but states are just ignoring it. And it's time for the Department of Justice and for the Department of Education to start to enforce this.
It's a tragic story out of the state of Maine. Joining us now is State Rep.
Laurel Libby, a state representative from District 90,

and also Zoe Hutchins from Maine High School Track and Field with a remarkable story here.

Welcome to both of you. Zoe, why don't you introduce yourself and tell us the story of

what has recently happened to you? Sure. So I am a senior at Lawrence High School in Maine.
I compete in the shot put and indoor track. And this week on Monday, we just had the Class B State Championship meet.
And at the beginning of the meet, one of my teammates came over to me and she told me that she and the other girl pole vaulters were going to have to compete against a biological male. And understandably, she was very upset about this and very distraught and discouraged because she knew and the other girls knew that they wouldn't be able to beat this male.
And that because he decided to compete in the girls category,

they would automatically be,

be knocked down a spot in the state rankings and he would win the gold.

So she was very upset about that, understandably.

And I was very upset about that because no girl should be put in that

situation and no male athlete should have the opportunity to step in and compete against women and take away their opportunity to be successful and to win and to have the honor of winning a gold and winning the state championship. So that inspired me to respond to Representative Libby's post on Facebook and just stand up for my teammate and for the other pole vaulters and any other female athlete who ever has to face competing against a male.
And so that's my story this week. It's a terrible story.
I have so many questions, but first I want to get State Representative Libby on this. Representative Libby, tell us from your perspective what's going on here.
Absolutely. So we all know that several weeks ago, President Trump issued his executive order demanding that states not allow biological males to participate in girls' sports.
Maine has decided to buck that. The Maine Principals Association shortly thereafter came out and went on the record saying, we will not abide by this executive order.
We are going to continue to allow biological males to participate in girls sports. And we knew it was only a matter of time before that actually happened after that.
And that was this Monday. This biological male boy participated in the pole vaulting at the state championships and won and captured the podium that so many Maine girls have been working so hard to compete in.
It just is tragic for them. And it's not fair.
It's not fair for Maine girls who've been working so hard to have their chance taken away. So I want to now go back to Zoe here.
So Zoe, I'm sure there's a fair amount of outrage locally about this, but probably quiet. Are people starting to speak up about this? And just so everyone is clear, the vault that won the female competition would have been 10th in the men's, just so we are clear.
So the one that won the one for women's would have been 10th in men's. Tell us about the energy on the ground.
Are parents upset or are most people saying this is what progress looks like? Yeah. So I really didn't hear much from the rest

of my team other than that one girl who was directly affected and that her two pole vaulting coaches, they were very upset and agreed that this should never happen. As far as the surrounding community.
Overwhelmingly, I have been seeing and hearing support for our side and say that, no, this should never happen. And of course, there are some some outliers and in the minority that are standing up for John or Katie and are congratulating him on beating these girls.
But from what I've seen and from what I've heard and experienced, by and large, I'm experiencing support for my stance. I mean, the side by side is remarkable here.
And so Representative Libby, President Trump has said that he might withhold federal money to Maine if this nonsense happens. Are any of your Democrat colleagues or any of, is the governor, anybody worried that this might interrupt federal payments to Maine if they allow this to continue? I have not heard that concern from the Democrat leadership.
And let's be honest, we have a Democrat majority in the House, the Senate, and a Democrat governor. So I think it's going to come down to that, that President Trump's administration is going to have to take action and withhold resources, financial resources, in order to ensure that girls in Maine have a fair playing field.
And it's too bad that it has to come to that, that it would have to come to federal action. But I think that's the only thing that will get us resolution here.
The Maine Principals Association and Democrat leadership are pretty dug in on their position on this, and it's going to take intervention. I would hope so.
What part of Maine is this near Portland or Augusta or Bangor? What part of Maine is this happening in? This was a state championship. So this was the Class B championship for indoor track.
And so this is statewide. Zoe can correct me if that's incorrect, but this is a statewide competition.
These athletes that score the highest will now go on to regional competition outside of Maine. And so this athlete, the biological male who participated in one, the girls gold medal will go on to participate in the regional meets coming up, taking, again, taking the spot of biological girls, females who've worked so hard, but have been denied that first place standing because of this boy taking their place.
In closing here, and Zoe, thank you for your willingness to speak out about this. Your teammates, what are the teammates saying about this and others that have seen this kind of injustice? Are they hoping that parents will start to step up and defend biological reality? Yeah.
So I think that for the most part, none of them have thought about this yet because it hasn't really directly affected any of us until this week and so I don't really think that most of them are really paying attention or looking when it didn't directly affect them and on my team at least it doesn't it doesn't seem like there's a lot of ready action to step in and make a change other than my teammate who was directly affected and had to compete against him, which is a big reason why I wanted to do this and speak out against this because it is a huge issue. And if we don't stand up and speak out now, then it's going to continue happening and getting worse.
And it's going to be more widespread. And I don't want any more girls to be affected by this.
So I want to encourage any other athletes, and especially female athletes, to stand up and speak out against this and speak up for truth. We have to speak up for just the biological reality and truth that males have huge advantages over women and that we need our separate spaces from them to be able to, to have the chance to succeed and win.
Because if we give them an inch, they'll take a mile. And if we allow, if we continue allowing them to step in, then women will no longer have their own separate spaces.
And that's just not okay. And that's not something that I'm willing to let happen.
Well, thank you for your courage. I just wish more adults in the room would agree.
But the current set of circumstances in Maine, as you well know, is that creepy men should be able to terrorize women at their choosing. So thank you both so much.
And we'll be watching the story very closely. Thank you.
Look, this is this is not going away, everybody. It's time for President Trump to enforce the executive order that he signed.
And whether it's the Department of Justice, Department of Education, money has to stop flowing to states that are doing this. This is not just about signing executive orders.
Now, this is why we need the deputies. This goes back to the whole Senator Tom Cotton conversation.
That's why we need the deputy level positions. Review biological men that are still winning awards.
And there has to be a collision point on this. And President Trump has done the courageous and the correct thing.
He has done his job. Now it's time for us to enforce it and withhold funding.
And look, we got to start to turn up the temperature. You can start with funding about things that Maine may or may not care about.
But will Maine really go to the mat on this if all of a sudden Medicaid funding is potentially put in jeopardy? I know that might sound a little extreme, but at what point are we going to say biological reality is going to triumph? The current set of circumstances right now is that your emotions, not any evidence, allows you to win whatever championship you want. I feel like a woman.
I could be a woman. It's the song I feel like a woman is the entire trans movement.
It's time for us to be actively intolerant of men masquerading as women and winning championships. And understand that is only one manifestation of the trans extremism.
It's the one that obviously wins the most people over. But it's happening.
Do you know that it has happened well over 900 times, according to a UN report over 900 times in 29 different sports, men pretending to be women have won championships and medals all across the world. 900 times.
We're told all it doesn't happen. It happens a lot.
900 times. Look, it's time for us to start to lay it down.
President Trump did the right thing and signed the executive order. Workers of the federal government now have to start to enforce it.
You have biological men that are still stealing medals from women. We're going to say no more.
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We've covered this previously. Let's go to this one here.
Let's go to cut 132. You know, I've known him for 30 years.
Yeah. And I've never seen anybody take as much as he's taken.
Yeah. And we've discussed this and I'm like, how do you deal with it? Did I have a choice? Well, you would say that to me.
I'm like, what am I going to do? Worry about it? And, you know, and then culminating in two assassination attempts, which resulted in your endorsement.

Well, I was going to do it anyway, but that was a precipitating event.

That speeded it up a little bit.

Yeah. The day of the assassination.
I didn't know that.

Yeah. I just sped it up, but I was going to do it anyway.

For as long as we've been doing this show, let's get just the still image of Trump and Elon. We have been talking about we need better elites.
You see, we reject the Marxist premise that we're going to get rid of all of our elites. It's not going to happen.
Because of the Pareto principle and the laws of nature authored by nature's God, God Almighty, there will be people that end up at the top of your society. There will be people that end up with a lot of money, a lot of power, a lot of influence.
They just have more talent. The swan song of egalitarianism is just that.
It's a lie. What you're looking right there is a combo package that may never happen again.
It's lightning in a bottle. It is grace from the heavens.
The world's richest man with the world's most powerful man combining forces to deconstruct the administrative state, to restore us back to a constitutional intent, to secure our border, to restrain the globalists, to fight the woke mind virus. You have private

citizen Musk and president Trump. It is a whole new wrinkle in Trump 2.0 that none of us saw coming even a year ago.
There were some whispers that Trump, that Musk might donate. Musk did the Twitter and the X thing and Elon has gone all in to be a phenomenally loyal friend and fighter for president Trump.
On top of that, Elon Musk tweeted in favor of JD Vance saying that JD Vance has been an excellent vice president and that he hopes he'll become the 48th president preemptively endorsing JD Vance for 2028 of which I happen to agree. What we are seeing potentially, and I don't want to get too ahead of my skis, but if we do our job, we could be entering a Pax Americana.
We could be entering a sequence of leaders democratically elected within our constitutional republic system that is not just a four-year reign or an eight-year reign. We're talking about the opportunity.
And this is why we must stay humble and hungry. The two things every single day.
Stay humble and hungry. What is the opposition doing? What is the grassroots doing? Can't forget why we're here.
Fulfill the mandate. Understand that not every day is going to be good.
There'll be ups and downs. There'll be ebbs and flows.
There'll be wax and wanes. But we have an opportunity with this combo.
World's richest man, President Donald J. Trump, to do something that we never could have dreamed.
But there's no guarantees. It could get derailed in one day.
We can make one bad decision just like Nixon, taping himself Watergate. Nixon was one of the most popular presidents ever until the intel agency took him out.
We must stay on our toes. Understand, the intel agencies are going to do everything they possibly can to asymmetrically take out President Donald Trump.
That is going to continue. That's why you must stay humble.
But just that image, the most powerful person on the planet with the richest person on the planet. Elon Musk is so wealthy he could buy Spain.
Not an exaggeration. He could literally buy Spain and not even think about it.
It's like a rounding error for him. He could just buy countries.
And what he is deciding to do with his wealth, which you're always going to have wealthy people, is the opposite of what our elites have done the last 30 years. Soros used his money to destroy the country.
We've had elites that have used their money to incinerate the republic. He's using his time and his treasure to revitalize it.
We've been calling for better elites for the last five years.

And here we are.

And our next guest is an associate dean and assistant professor of government

at Hillsdale in D.C.

It's Dr. Matthew Meehan.

Doctor, welcome to the program.

Thank you for taking the time.

We want to talk to you about how we turn to real justice in this country

and get out of the lawfare cycle the Democrats have put us in. Tell us your thoughts.
Yeah, it's a tricky business, right? Because if you have to go after all these malefactors, then you have to look in a certain sense like you're going after your political enemies because your political enemies did commit serious wrongdoings of lawfare. So how do you deal with that? You have to both be just and appear to be just.
And I think in one sense, part of what the Trump administration is doing, and I think you're seeing Pam Bondi do, I think you'll see Kash Patel do this, Emile Bove, who's working for Pam Bondi in the DOJ. I think there's a sort of politics of truth where they're going to be very honest, transparent and forthcoming.
But I also think that there has to be a kind of prosecutorial plan laid out about both prosecuting a certain kind of crime as a kind of thematic headliner, but also providing a kind of way out of lawfare, even for our political opponents. So detail more of what that plan would look like and some of the pitfalls that might be included in that.
Yeah. So I think a headliner is perjury.
One of the things that lawfare needs in order to conspire and malign and attack and slander and destroy one's political opponents using legal mechanisms is sworn testimony. You have to be deposed under oath.
You have to go before Congress under oath. You have to go into court under oath.
You have to go before FISA courts under oath. And perjury is a crime.
Section 18 of the federal code, perjury is a crime of,

you know, one to five years. And if you lie to a FISA court, if you perjure yourself there, it's five to 10.
So it's a major issue if you wind up prosecuting it, because it actually squeezes off the power of lawfare conspiracies. But it also has a kind of powerful defense against the dangers of lawfare generally, which is you're basically trying to prosecute truth-telling, right, or lying.
Don't lie. We are a truthful political body.
We are a people that is candid. We are a republic of self-governance.
People have to do what they say and say what they do and do it in good faith. That's in the language of the oath of the president and the vice president.
Pam Bondi mentioned it in her hearings. This is what they have to rekindle.
And so if you go after perjury, what you're basically saying is, yeah, we're going to go after some of our political opponents who perjured themselves and lied in various ways to malign their political enemies. But the purpose of this is so that we all go back to not conspiring against one another to slander and gin up faux legal conspiracies of lawfare and attack against our political opponents.

So, I mean, let's talk about Executive Order 14157, ending the weaponization of the federal government. Tell us about that and how it can be used for this purpose.
So, Bondi has basically put a memo out in response to Trump's executive order, ending weaponization, telling DOJ, we are going to go after every instance of this and also every instance of its appearance, because that's part of what you have to do. You have to both be just and look just and keep good faith.
And so what I think the weaponization executive order is going to do is basically wipe the slate clean. And I think they chose a really good version of this with Eric Adams, the mayor of New York, because if you want to look like you're trying to be nonpartisan and ending lawfare, what better way to do it than to say, hey, the previous administration went after one of their own, a Democrat, because he turned tail on their political program of bad immigration policy, right? He turned his back on that.
So he's not helping some Trump supporter, you know, in some high profile way. He's actually helping a Democrat mayor who's had a very adversarial attitude towards the Trump administration.
So I thought that choice in following out this executive order was a really smart one because it sends the signal, look, we're not just trying to help our friends. We're trying to help everyone get out from under lawfare.
And so I think it's a really, really great, a great way to move forward. But it's both dealing with the perjury question, I think, is a separate one, but also dealing with the weaponizations head on.
And Bondi's got tons of things to do on every level. But I do think there's a headliner issue too.
So I suppose the other question I have is not just the civilians that have done wrong, but how would you recommend a plan to hold the actual prosecutors themselves that obviously broke conduct or laws like either Letitia James or Alvin Bragg or Jack Smith? How do you even launch an investigation into the investigators or prosecute the prosecutors that did not handle evidence correctly and broke customs and rules and laws? Is there any precedent for such an investigation? It's very dangerous to do it, right? That's part of the problem. And so that's one of the reasons why I think some of the things I've seen so far are to actually release someone from lawfare attacks like Eric Adams.
And I think that's right. But when you're dealing with that, in one sense, Emile Bove has already handled the question.
He dismissed them and said, you know, or the prosecutors at SDNY. But you're talking about the actual Democrat malefactors who are not refusing to deal with this issue, but who actually created the problem.
Insofar as that's an issue, I think the best way is indirectly. You find the best cases that will deal with the problem.
And so what Pam Bondi's done with Letitia James is, they're actually not going after lawfare. They're going after their refusal to follow immigration law.
So that's a great way to deal with that indirectly. But insofar as you have to get closer to the problem of lawfare, another indirect way to deal with it is perjury.
Because you're not saying, hey, I don't like that you played politics. You're saying, I don't like that you broke the law.
But it turns out perjury is the number one way people commit crimes in the service of lawfare. I do think, by the way, at the end of this, because this is so dangerous and difficult, there are other ethics.
Like, for instance, you should pick cases that are very clearly proven without their testimony. Like we've got you here dead to rights.
This is a perjurious thing you did. So once that's established, then you encourage the person to confess their perjury.
And if they do come forward with their plans, with their perjurious conspiracies, then you say, okay, now we offer clemency. Now we're going to commute sentences.
Now we're going to bring you back. Because what you're trying to get to at the end isn't, ha ha, I've seen all my political enemies be destroyed.
What you're actually trying to get to is a golden age of justice and peace and good faith where people tell each other the truth, even when they're political enemies. And I know that's a Pollyannish impossibility at the end of the day, but we can tell the

difference between a sort of normal version of an imperfect world and the current law

fair absolute lying through their eye teeth all the time and perjuring themselves.

I mean, we have people, officials, who say, oh, you know, what else was I supposed to

do besides perjure myself?

Like, well, not perjure yourself is the answer, because we have to have a politics of truth and good faith. Doctor, thanks so much.
That's Dr. Matthew Meehan from Hillsdale College, Associate Dean and Assistant Professor.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
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The team of all-stars that President Trump has assembled is historic and second to none.

What President Trump has put together from Scott Besson, Pete Hegseth, Marco Rubio,

but of course the top is the vice president.

He's doing an extraordinary job. J.D.
Vance, friend of the program, friend of ours here, understands the MAGA faithful better than anybody else. Because he lived, his lived experience is that of a MAGA voter.
This is J.D. Vance, live from CPAC.
Let's play cut. 208.
We cannot rebuild Western civilization.

We cannot rebuild the United States of America or Europe by letting millions and millions of unvetted illegal migrants come into our country.

It has to stop.

Thank God it stopped here, but it's got to stop there.

Continue here. Cut 209.

Peace is in the interest of the American people, and he's going to fight for it for the remainder of his administration. Wherever war breaks out, he's going to be the president of peace.
Now, he, of course, is a very good negotiator, a very good businessman. He recognizes that a lot of these issues are tough.
It's going to take a smart statesman to figure this stuff out. But we've got that in the White House.
And I really believe that we're on the cusp of peace in Europe for the first time in three years because we have leadership from the Oval Office and we haven't had it in four years in this country. On the cusp of an actual peace deal.
J.D. Vance is exactly right.
And it all ties together how we view our international policy ties into our domestic policy. Yesterday, we had Marie Therese Kaiser, who was being criminalized by her own government.
And J.D. Vance has taken aim at the German oligarchic elite.
This is one of the most crisply delivered, important 50 seconds that you're about to hear on geopolitics.

You're about to get a crash course.

What's happening in Germany and Romania.

We are subsidizing it.

We've been saying this on this program repeatedly.

And what are we subsidizing?

We're subsidizing the rise of East Germany.

J.D. Vance, PlayCut 207.

Germany's entire defense is subsidized by the American taxpayer.

There are thousands upon thousands of people troops in Germany today. Do you think that the American taxpayer is going to stand for that if you get thrown in jail in Germany for posting a mean tweet? Of course they're not, right? So the point that I try to make to our European friends, and I think that they're our friends.
I believe that. I know President Trump does, is that friendship is based on shared values.
You do not have shared values if you're jailing people for saying we should close down our border. You don't have shared values if you cancel elections because you don't like the result, and that happened in Romania.

You do not have shared values if you're so afraid of your own people that you silence them and shut them up.

Germany needs another Berlin Wall moment.

And J.D. Vance is exactly right.

What shared values are there exactly?

You don't even allow an opposition political party to gain strength, AFD. You have secret police going on knocking on doors because a post of a meme.
It's worth repeating. I was speechless yesterday when we played this.
I don't think we played this on radio though. So it's worth repeating.
Let's try to find this Munich, Germany, Saudi Arabia. We got a lot of cuts here.
Let's see. One of the more breathtaking clips we've ever played on this program.
Yep. Okay.
Play cut four. It's 6.01 on a Tuesday morning, and we were with state police as they raided this apartment in Northwest Germany.
Inside, six armed officers searched a suspect's home, then seized his laptop and cell phone. Prosecutors say those electronics may have been used to commit a crime.
The crime, posting a racist cartoon online. At the exact same time across Germany, more than 50 similar raids played out.
Part of what prosecutors say is a coordinated effort to curb online hate speech in Germany. They have not changed.
Those are the very same type of people that were doing SS raids 80 years ago. They're going and raiding homes, 50 of them in northwest Germany, because a meme and a cartoon was posted? Yes.
Brought to you by the American taxpayer. That is made possible by us.
No more. By the way, if Kamala Harris would have won, that is exactly what they would have brought here.
It was coming. This last election was us cutting that off at a pass, and we narrowly missed it.
We barely missed it. Offending someone in public

is illegal in Germany. Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us as always,

freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.