THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 73 — Does Flying Stink Now? MAHA Day 1? LOTR = Gay?

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Speaker 1 We had a conversation about Pete Davidson.

Speaker 2 Is Lord of the Rings actually homoerotic?

Speaker 1 We discussed playing music on airplanes, and finally, why does Blake love Red Die 40?

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Speaker 5 Okay, everybody, it is Thought Crime Thursday, and we are are here live with Blake, Andrew, and Jack. Did I get that right? I always say that before I can say.
Oh, nope, Tyler. There's no Jack.

Speaker 5 Jack is in Ukraine. Is that right? Jack has enlisted to be a fighting force soldier of Zelensky.
Is that correct?

Speaker 8 He's front lines.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Front lines. They get drafted, man.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he got drafted. He was the first drafted.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Mitch McConnell.

Speaker 3 They got a letter where they said anyone who has a Polish last name in the United States has to go fight in Ukraine for their old,

Speaker 3 you know, Poland used to own that whole thing.

Speaker 8 Sign Rich McConnell letterhead and everything.

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 I wouldn't have answered that.

Speaker 3 It's really crazy. It's one of those things Doge found.
Like, it's actually a law that they have to do this if they,

Speaker 3 if we fight in Eastern Europe. You just, you get drafted if you're Polish.
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 So we have a series of topics today

Speaker 5 that are unusual. One of them is about someone I don't really know.
I think he dated Kim Kardashian. Blake, introduce us to our first.

Speaker 3 That's part of the joy. That's why I thought it'd be fun to drop this on you.
So there is this person named Pete Davidson. He is famous for,

Speaker 3 he must be famous for some kind of reason. I've never quite understood what it was.
I think he's allegedly a comedian, but I don't know any jokes he's told or anything. But just trust us.

Speaker 3 Just trust me, Charlie.

Speaker 3 He is famous for some reason. Anyway, he's also very

Speaker 3 ghastly looking because he famously would be covered in a million gazillion tattoos. He was basically the prototypical modern millennial by being tatted up from neck to ankle.

Speaker 3 And a kind of strange story to have happen in the first three weeks of the Trump administration is he went and he got all or almost all of his tattoos removed, which I don't know if you guys are aware because I don't think any of us here have tattoos, but it's actually a pretty involved process to do this.

Speaker 3 He apparently had to spend about $250,000

Speaker 3 and they basically have to burn it off. Like they systematically burn your skin and then it has to grow back.
So this is a pretty intense thing for him to do,

Speaker 3 but he actually did burn it all off and did a kind of gay looking photo shoot there.

Speaker 3 But we won't dwell upon that. What we're dwelling upon is this is happening in the first

Speaker 3 month of the Trump administration, and it's also happening while we're having all of the DEI rollbacks. We're having, we've moved on from just Walmart and Target to Disney is canceling DEI.

Speaker 3 Goldman Sachs and Major Investment, they're canceling their DEI. Is there a vibe shift and can we detect it from such things?

Speaker 3 And also, is it good? I feel like MAGA was becoming the, if anything,

Speaker 3 there was a lot of tattoos in MAGA. So maybe we're just doing a switcheroo on that one.
Anyway, I think it's an interesting topic.

Speaker 9 Charlie,

Speaker 9 do you want to chime in? you want

Speaker 9 you don't how about i start with this

Speaker 9 i'm trying to learn how about i start with this pete davidson his dad famously died in 9-11.

Speaker 9 he was like a a new york kid staten island his dad died okay so like that's kind of his origin story i think he's got he's he's quintessential

Speaker 9 daddy daddy issues kind of millennial guy so then he becomes a comedian he was on snl dated kim Kardashian, dated, like apparently the deal with Pete Davidson, and I don't understand the fame thing either, but he's dated a lot of really attractive women.

Speaker 9 So apparently he's got some game. I don't understand what the game is.

Speaker 9 There's rumors about that. But then he is...
To Blake's point, he's probably the most surprising person that you would see reform his life in such a way.

Speaker 9 So I don't know if he had some really good alpha dad and he's kind of reconnecting with that that energy that he, you know, obviously it was with his dad's tragic death in 9-11, kind of fell away from it and he just had a really long rebellious period.

Speaker 9 But he is,

Speaker 9 he's got something. He's got something because he's able to have the success that he had.
He's produced and directed movies and I think

Speaker 9 co-wrote them. So it is a very telling cultural marker.
I don't know if you can extrapolate too much from it, but good for him.

Speaker 9 I tend to think tattoos, like the ones he had, were pretty heinous and ugly and tacky.

Speaker 9 I would love to know what the people in the chat think. What do you guys think about tattoos in general?

Speaker 9 We do, to Blake's point, a lot of people in the MAGA world and conservative movement have a lot of tattoos.

Speaker 9 It's a military thing. But Pete Davidson was definitely next level.
Next level tattoos.

Speaker 3 Tyler, Mormons aren't allowed to get tattoos.

Speaker 5 The Bible does prohibit tattoos. Just saying.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, I think every Bible does prohibit it. Yeah, every, I think, most like orthodoxy is against.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And anyone that's not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 Although we did go through the phase where we were like celebrating Heg Seth for having his Deus Volt tattoo and all of that.

Speaker 3 So no, I feel like people are a little schizo on the tattoo topic, depending on whether they think it feels like cool and rebellious or just trashy.

Speaker 9 I feel like if you're in the military, you get away with it, first of all.

Speaker 9 And I mean, yeah, Leviticus 19, 28. You shall not not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves.
But isn't that saying for the dead?

Speaker 5 No, or tattoo yourselves. Or tattoo yourself.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 But again, there's a lot of things in the Old Testament that we don't necessarily bring forward to the New Testament, like, you know, women's head coverings. I don't know.
There's a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 9 What?

Speaker 9 You want to read those comments, Blake?

Speaker 8 I was going to say while we read those, or we pull those.

Speaker 9 Some do. Some people.

Speaker 8 I think

Speaker 8 it's a maturity thing, too. I could be wrong about this.
I don't know if Pete Davidson, Pete Davidson's kind of, his whole brand is known as kind of being immature.

Speaker 8 And I think that

Speaker 8 maybe, you know, you talk about vibe shift with all this stuff. I think that there are a lot of people, and I know, I've known a lot of people who've had tattoos removed.
I have a lot of friends.

Speaker 8 It's a very millennial-centric thing. I actually think this is part of the swing back with Gen Z.
Gen Z is a lot less edgy about this stuff.

Speaker 8 I kind of, I've always equated to people the millennial thing is kind of like hippie.

Speaker 3 Is Gen Z less edgy?

Speaker 3 If someone told me

Speaker 3 someone told me Gen Z can't get tattoos because they're so scared of needles because they're scared of everything, so they can't handle the tattoo process, I would probably believe them because it seems like Gen Z is scared of its own shadow.

Speaker 3 It's like

Speaker 3 those phone apps, you know, that can track people.

Speaker 3 I think you can agree. Like an older millennial kid would be angry if their parent was, you know, putting a a tracker on their phone to know exactly where they were at all times.

Speaker 3 Apparently, it's the opposite now, where zoomers are uncomfortable, Gen Zers are uncomfortable if they can't have the app on their phone so their parents know where they are at all times.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they need that comfort. It's like swinging.
And so maybe they're also just scared of needle pricks.

Speaker 3 They're scared of driving. They're scared of.

Speaker 8 I just think it's been like a swing back, and Gen Z is just a lot more,

Speaker 8 you know, almost traditional in a lot of different ways.

Speaker 9 And he's young millennial, though, to be fair. To be fair, he's young millennial.
He's the exact same age as Charlie Kirk, basically. He's like a month younger than you, Charlie.

Speaker 5 I'm a month older.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's right. That's crazy.

Speaker 5 I didn't, I mean, so

Speaker 5 can we put the picture up for anyone who's gay or a woman? Is this considered a good-looking man?

Speaker 5 I would like someone to instruct him.

Speaker 9 I just'm so fascinated. What is the chat thing?

Speaker 3 Fisherman85 says he got a tattoo when he was 23. He was drunk and he had $50 burning a hole in his pocket.
LOL.

Speaker 3 I think that does accurately represent the thought process that goes into permanently marking your body much of the time.

Speaker 3 Like, yeah, I'm definitely going to want this, like, like the name of this girl I've been dating for two weeks on my skin forever. That will not be something I regret.

Speaker 8 I actually have a good story about this. We had staff leading into 2020.
They all went out one night and they got inside their lip tattoos that said MAGA.

Speaker 8 And then obviously we know what happened in 2020.

Speaker 8 So we had no choice but to spend four years of fighting back because their tattoos, and they were told that those tattoos would fade on their inside of their lip. It did not fade.
It did not fade.

Speaker 8 It did not fade. So they've got permanent patients.

Speaker 3 That just sounds like, so what are, were they just sitting there like, ooh, for, for like,

Speaker 8 they must have had a really great night. I don't know.
I wasn't there. So they must have a really great night.
But there was like four or five of them.

Speaker 3 And then.

Speaker 3 Okay, the real Arthur Blake, who is not me, he says the photo is gay.

Speaker 5 So I trust him.

Speaker 3 I think he's probably got a good evaluation of that.

Speaker 9 He looks like he's strung out, Oklahoma stoner chick.

Speaker 9 I probably would trust her, too.

Speaker 9 Too skinny, because what are you looking at? Because the sun doesn't hit it. I think the comments are not feeling very positive about uh mr pete davidson so pete davidson

Speaker 9 yeah but i let's take the can we take the picture down i just like i don't know you asked for them to put it back up i i will i want to note that you asked for them to put it back up i did not charlie actually

Speaker 8 oh whatever someone did the point is it wasn't me who asked it to go back up all right that's fine you asked the question though andrew about what's the allure of him to like he gets like really attractive i think he's like yeah he's dated dated like a bunch of models, right?

Speaker 8 I could be wrong about this, but I think, wasn't he like branded like the rebound guy? Like, he was always the guy that was like picking up girls. That, like,

Speaker 8 I just like kind of semi-remember this is like he was always picking up famous girls like right after they break up. Is that, am I wrong about that?

Speaker 8 I don't know if anyone else heard that, but I think a lot of women that are famous like to date people who are funny. I think, I think he's on the

Speaker 8 funny, attractive scale. Obviously less attractive probably to most people.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 8 But he's funny.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 he's dated Madeline Klein, who's apparently somebody.

Speaker 9 Some Chase Sue Wonders. I don't know any of these people.
This is hilarious. He dated Ariana Grande.
He dated Emily Rada Chikowski, whatever her name is.

Speaker 9 She's kind of like famous for being famous. Kim Kardashian,

Speaker 9 Phoebe Denever. Don't know who that is.
Oh, I recognize her face, though. She's some actress.
Kaya Gerber.

Speaker 9 I don't know. It's like a lot of famous Kate Beckinsale.
He dated Kate Beckinsale.

Speaker 8 Yeah, who's like super old.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Kazzy David. I don't know who that is.
Anyways, they're all like obviously noteworthy people to some extent. So he's got some game.
But he's like the

Speaker 9 celebs like to date effeminate men, says Crimson Blackard. I kind of think that's right.

Speaker 3 You know, this does circle back, though, to our most important topic, which is whether Lord of the Rings is gay or not.

Speaker 3 Because did you know that the cast of the fellowship, the nine members of the Fellowship of the Ring,

Speaker 3 to commemorate being

Speaker 3 on,

Speaker 3 like in the movie, they all got some shared tattoo that's like something from Tolkien.

Speaker 3 And they all got the tattoo.

Speaker 5 I watched Lord of the Rings this weekend, and Tyler ruined it for me. I have to just be honest.

Speaker 5 I clicked every time Frodo and Sam. You gave into this? No, I don't.
You see it. No.
You see it now. I don't agree.
I'm saying that he ruined it. It's just,

Speaker 5 I always used to look at it as, you know, brotherly love. And then Frodo and Sam, there's some very long gazes.
It's, it's, it's.

Speaker 5 I don't want to say Tyler's onto something, but like.

Speaker 3 I'm going to see the propaganda.

Speaker 5 No, no, no. You got to watch the thing.
After Tyler,

Speaker 5 Tyler gets in your head about this, and then all of a sudden you can't unsee it. I'm not even saying it's right.
I'm saying you kind of infer it. And

Speaker 5 geez, Frodo doesn't look at women that way. This is Peter Jackson.
Doesn't look at the woman in the woods that way. Doesn't look at Liv Tyler that way.

Speaker 8 That's right.

Speaker 3 That's right. I think you can infer that Frodo knew his past.

Speaker 5 And then you really start wondering, like, Mary, Pippin, Sam, and Frodo are all sharing a room. And you really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about.

Speaker 8 This is like a three-week vlog, like, what conversation we've had.

Speaker 3 And it's going to keep going until I win this conversation.

Speaker 5 And you got to wonder, like, what are they actually doing in Rivendell? What are they really doing in Rivendell? Because then you look at it through kind of the modern woke lens. Yeah.
And

Speaker 5 I'm not saying Tyler's right, but it half-ruined the movie for me. Did you realize what they're doing in Rivendale?

Speaker 5 They're singing.

Speaker 8 Why is Gandalf going down there like a weirdo?

Speaker 5 It's like literally.

Speaker 3 They're playing music and they're singing their elfish songs in their elfish language, and there's nothing gay about it.

Speaker 8 No, what's Gandalf really going down there for? He's like his little Thailand. Like, this is like creepy.

Speaker 5 Is Gandalf the the Epstein wizard of middle? Yes, he is. Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's his Thailand.

Speaker 5 Brian, I'm not saying.

Speaker 9 Brian wants us to throw this up. 204.

Speaker 5 Let's throw it up. There it is.

Speaker 5 I'm telling you,

Speaker 5 once you see it through the Tyler lens, it's not that he's right. It's just you can't unsee it and it kind of ruins the film.

Speaker 8 I want to make this point that we didn't make a few weeks ago.

Speaker 8 It's not just that. I think Peter Jackson had this weird homo-erotic erotic approach to this because the elves are all super gay.
They're all they're all super gay.

Speaker 8 Orlando Bloom is like, he looks like Pete Davidson. He's like, he's just like, he's got Pete Davidson vibes to him, which is like,

Speaker 8 yes, yes. And we talked about all the orcs.
There's no women orcs.

Speaker 8 There's no female. Like, what?

Speaker 8 There's a lot of gays.

Speaker 3 What do they do that's gay? What do the orcs do that's gay?

Speaker 8 There's no girls.

Speaker 3 There's no women. Yeah.
so is the military gay? Like when we make, is Pete Hegseth's goal to like make combat really gay?

Speaker 3 Is that the goal, Tyler?

Speaker 5 The story itself,

Speaker 5 the story itself is not necessarily homoerotic, but there's like gazes that are like half a second, two seconds too long, and then like the whole like, Sam.

Speaker 5 I'm so glad I have you with me. It's like completely unnecessary extra lines of dialogue.
I'm sorry, I like I re-watched it and it's such a good movie and it's so amazing.

Speaker 5 But if you kind of go back to watch a movie 20 years ago through modern ultra,

Speaker 5 let's just say, gay lens of film, you see some things there. And you go, boy, if that was made in 2025, it would be a brokeback mountain of

Speaker 5 it.

Speaker 9 This reminds me, this reminds me of what happened with Abraham Lincoln, right? So he had this really close friendship with a guy named Joshua Fry Speed.

Speaker 9 And this is before

Speaker 9 he was president, like well before. I sent the old-timey image of Joshua Fry Speed.

Speaker 9 But there was in 1926 a biography of Lincoln by Carl Sandberg alluded to the early relationship Lincoln and his friend Joshua Fry Speed had as having a streak of lavender and spots soft as May violets.

Speaker 9 And that's kind of reminds me of like a really good description of

Speaker 5 Frodo and Sanders. That's Ian McClellan.
That's Gandalf.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Gandalf is gay.

Speaker 5 I forgot Ian McClellan. That's Ian McClellan.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 See?

Speaker 9 Yeah, but like, I also call it like, this is, you know, we're changing history here. I mean, I can guarantee you that maybe the movie's a little bit like homo erotic, but like

Speaker 9 the books and the original grandma.

Speaker 5 He's the Grand Marshal. He's the Grand Marshal of the Gay Parade.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but that's modern,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 that's not the way the books were written. That's not the original intent.
Oh, geez.

Speaker 5 I know.

Speaker 3 you guys are when you accept this framing you are giving in to to the to the gay industrial i will say

Speaker 5 i never thought it at all my entire life and then tyler mentions it and it half ruins it like if you

Speaker 3 let them do it if you let them get away with it they're gonna make george washington gay they're gonna make jesus

Speaker 9 point they're gonna make that's the that's that's why i brought up lincoln with his so he had a like he has four kids he was in a long relationship with his wife what is her name mary todd or whatever.

Speaker 9 And he had a history of having romantic relationships with other women before that.

Speaker 9 I'm not sure they were physical, but the point is everybody thought he was heterosexual his whole life. And then we get to like 2020 and all of a sudden he's gay.

Speaker 9 So I do want to like make space for the fact that men can have intimate, non-sexual, very heterosexual relationships.

Speaker 9 And I think before the gay agenda took over modern pop culture, nobody would have thought differently about it. Stop it, it, Ryan.

Speaker 9 One of our producers keeps putting in very inappropriate pictures.

Speaker 9 Anyways, what it's worth.

Speaker 9 We have to make space for the fact that.

Speaker 8 Well, I mean, this is a real conversation, though, because, and this does tie back to Pete Davidson, because, you know, his like this, you know, growing up fatherless thing, obviously, no fault of his own.

Speaker 8 His dad died in 9-11, whatever.

Speaker 8 But, like, this entire feminization of males, I think the feminization of males in general has made it impossible for guys to have like those old school, you know, guy best friends because people look at you and question if you're gay.

Speaker 8 So when you create a world in which that's so prevalent, I think it's harder to be,

Speaker 8 it's hard to have like a best budget. And this actually, I've talked about this recently with friends.
It's like, it's actually hard in general for men to get together and do anything.

Speaker 8 Like kind of the old school days, it was like men used to get together and do bowling leagues and poker nights and da da da.

Speaker 8 And those things happen, but I don't think they're nearly as prevalent as they were, you know, many years ago. And

Speaker 8 I think that's like this is all part and parcel to like, again, Hollywood, everything just like pushing the gay agenda, which you know, may or may not have started with Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 8 So, you know, just seeding on the stage.

Speaker 5 I totally agree.

Speaker 9 I totally agree. Here's, here, I don't know if this is going to help my case or hurt it, depending on, but I'll never forget when I went to Italy.

Speaker 9 And, okay, so it's apparently going to hurt it based on Blake's reaction to Italy. But I remember going in Italy, and there would be men holding hands, walking down the street, just holding hands.

Speaker 9 And they were, I asked, I was like, are they gay? And they're like, no, no, no, they're straight as an arrow. Like, that's just men in Italy.

Speaker 9 They'll just hold, like, if they feel close to another man, they'll just hold each other's hands.

Speaker 9 I'm just saying what I saw.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's what I think.

Speaker 5 That's what I think when I think of Italy. All I'm saying is through a 2025 lens, you watch the movie 20 years later, and it's just you can't help but think because we look at all of that stuff as

Speaker 5 homoerotic and gay.

Speaker 9 Thanks for ruining a childhood favorite, Tyler. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 Oh, no, no, he completely wrecked it.

Speaker 8 Well, I mean, it was

Speaker 8 somebody had planted that in my mind, but this is how it happened for me.

Speaker 8 I watched during COVID, I downloaded all the trilogies that existed because there was like, so every night I would just watch, start watching one of the trilogies.

Speaker 8 I watched literally every movie that had a trilogy. And I downloaded Lord of the Rings.
I started watching it. I was like, man, this is really gay.
I can't watch this. And I like shut up.

Speaker 8 I downloaded all three. I paid for all three movies.
And I only watched like the first half of the first one.

Speaker 3 Now I'm, now, thanks to, thanks to Andrew's, like, Italy's super straight thing. I'm, I'm looking up Liberace to make sure he was, in fact, Italian.
And yes, he was Italian.

Speaker 3 And he put a big candelabra on his piano. And he insisted he was straight his whole life.
And then he, well, he died of a condition not associated with that.

Speaker 9 Well, I'm just telling you what I saw. And men in Italy walked down the street.

Speaker 5 Just remember.

Speaker 5 And if you watch the movie closely, near the beginning at Bilbo Baggin's 110th or 111th birthday, Sam was really nervous to go up and talk to the ladies or the woman.

Speaker 5 So he needed like an extra thing of beer and had to be thrown into it.

Speaker 3 That's really

Speaker 3 straight. That's straight.

Speaker 3 Gays are great at talking to women because they have like women brain.

Speaker 3 Wait, hold on. Not always.

Speaker 3 Why would a gay dude be nervous about talking to women? What's he worried is going to happen?

Speaker 9 A lot of dudes are.

Speaker 9 That's so cliche. It's a shtick they used in the movie that men are nervous of talking to women.

Speaker 9 Only a certain subset of men are nervous.

Speaker 5 Not nervous to talk to

Speaker 5 Marion Pippin.

Speaker 9 Hey, I will tell you that if you go watch Top Gun, the original, like, go watch that for Homo Roddy.

Speaker 3 You're going to make Top Gun gay for Charlie now, too.

Speaker 5 Are you ruining everything? You're going to ruin Top Gun for all of us?

Speaker 9 I mean, Top Gun is objectively homoerotic.

Speaker 5 Andrew, you are blaming the boys.

Speaker 3 You are putting this conversation in the danger zone. You are on a highway to the danger zone right now.

Speaker 5 This is not going to be.

Speaker 9 I'm telling you, there is a reason why there's a lot of rumors flowing around about the lead in that film, Tom Cruise. I'm just saying that

Speaker 5 what else are you going to ruin for me?

Speaker 9 Top Gun, The original 1980s Top Gun is the most homoerotic movie ever created. It's a fact.

Speaker 3 You're just going to come in.

Speaker 3 Every week it's going to be.

Speaker 3 You're also going to assert another movie is gay. You're going to be like.

Speaker 9 I mean, Star Wars is gay.

Speaker 5 The Godfather is really kind of like. It wasn't really the Five Families.
It was kind of like a gay conclave that was running inner Italian mafia.

Speaker 3 You're going to be like the good, the bad, and the ugly, gay. You're going to.

Speaker 3 No, no, no.

Speaker 5 Citizen Kane. Gay.
Citizen gay.

Speaker 5 No, it's not under every word. Gay sublime.
Rosebud was not actually his sled growing up. Rosebud was a secret lover that he had during college.

Speaker 5 Charlie, don't look up a slang term.

Speaker 3 Don't look up slang terms for that word. That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 5 Clarence.

Speaker 3 Ah, man.

Speaker 8 You can't touch.

Speaker 8 You cannot touch. It's a wonderful life, okay? You cannot touch it.

Speaker 5 Okay, hold on.

Speaker 9 I mean, Top Gun is like, this is not me breaking news Everybody knows top guns homo rock.

Speaker 5 No, I just go I googled it

Speaker 5 right. You're gonna say it's gay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're gonna say that like red dawn is gay because

Speaker 3 Look at this Charlie Sheen and what's his name?

Speaker 3 They like are holding each other on that bench after like getting shot at the end and look at this Esquire magazine the top gun volleyball scene is is not homo

Speaker 5 one.

Speaker 9 It is homosexual.

Speaker 5 That's the new one. That's the original one.
That's the new one.

Speaker 5 Both of them have volleyball. volleyball.
I have a whole bunch of people on the big screen. Oh.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I forgot there was an original volleyball one.
I thought there was only the new one.

Speaker 9 Yeah. No, they brought it back because it was so popular in the first one.

Speaker 5 Yeah, well.

Speaker 8 I googled the gayest movies that aren't explicitly gay, and also on there is Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 3 Well, that's like, that's a different one where whether that movie is gay or not, gay people are obsessed with Wizard of Oz because gay men love Judy Garland, I guess.

Speaker 3 The more you know.

Speaker 8 I also think that there's that connection, the same connection with Lord of the Rings as you have

Speaker 8 with small people.

Speaker 3 If you look up like gay icons, I think Judy Garland is literally the first result. It's

Speaker 3 kind of strange. Oh man, this is getting way too deep into the lore.
We should probably hit the evac button to the next topic before every, it'll turn out everything, everything is gay.

Speaker 5 This is why people pay the big bucks. Hold on.

Speaker 9 Hold on.

Speaker 9 This is top 10 macho blockbusters with hidden homo eroticism. Number 10 is Ravenous from 1995.

Speaker 9 I've never heard of that.

Speaker 9 300 is number 9. Number 8, Top Gun, 1986.

Speaker 5 What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 Number 7?

Speaker 5 Come on.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Well, because it's all these dudes running around.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's called like dudes who are like slowing down.

Speaker 5 Yep, murdering other dudes. Yeah.

Speaker 9 All right. A nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy's Revenge from 1985.
Tango and Cash, 1989. X-Men First Class, 2011.

Speaker 8 Yeah, X-Men's kind of gay.

Speaker 5 We're corrupting the audience with Yoma's 1950s.

Speaker 3 Yoma63. I feel like I'm being corrupted.
I never saw gayness in Todd Ben.

Speaker 9 You guys are

Speaker 3 destroying our audience.

Speaker 9 Ben Hurd, 1959. I could see that.
Fight Club 1999.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Fight Club. Fight Club.
Fight Cup's kind of gay, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Fight Club.

Speaker 3 I have not actually seen the Fight Club movie. I think I'm the only person born in my year to have not seen it.

Speaker 8 That's That's a perfect example of a movie that was directed at men that men, like boys were supposed to like, that had severe gay undertones for sure.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I read the book.

Speaker 5 Where is the gay undertone?

Speaker 9 Because

Speaker 9 they need like camaraderie. That's just like what a gang is.

Speaker 8 I don't know if I agree with this at all.

Speaker 8 No, there's a, there's a, I actually, because I got into that after I was reading, because we were talking about gay movies, because that's, this is how this came up, and I got to Lord of the the Rings.

Speaker 8 This was one of the ones, the Reddit threads I read was all about how Fight Club has all these, like, it's tons of

Speaker 8 undertones, like, throughout. And it was like planting in like boys' minds all like in the 2000s or 90s or whenever it came out.

Speaker 5 Ah, man. Well,

Speaker 9 now we've probably ruined everybody's name.

Speaker 3 DJT 2020 suggests that just all acting in fiction is gay, which was kind of what the, that is like the true classical take on it.

Speaker 3 You know, the ancient romans considered actors the equivalent of prostitutes basically

Speaker 3 and maybe we need to bring that back

Speaker 9 yeah well i mean if we go far enough back to the greeks it was only male actors right so uh

Speaker 9 that would probably attract a certain type of male even back then

Speaker 3 oh dear all right all right yeah we need to hit the eject button all right do you guys want to first we'll do an ad but do you guys want to talk about banning banning things on the subway That'll be fun.

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Speaker 5 Okay, Blake, take us further.

Speaker 3 All right. So as on the right, we're all used to making fun of France because it's France.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 3 based alert is coming in. France, the French Assembly has just passed a bill and it is going to ban repeat incivilities on public transport.

Speaker 3 And so they're cracking down on uncivil behavior on the nation's buses and trains, which include, as possible examples, listening to music without using headphones, carrying on a phone conversation on speakerphone rather than sticking it up to your ear so people can't hear the other end of it.

Speaker 3 In fact, they might even, I've seen different interpretations.

Speaker 3 I think in one version, they're even suggesting it could just ban having a phone conversation if you're not in like the, like if you're on the train rather than on like a platform or something.

Speaker 3 Also, they're going to ban putting your feet onto the seat opposite you when you have like a four-pack like that.

Speaker 3 And they're also going to ban handing out tracks to people on the subway platform, like

Speaker 3 the Jehovah's Witnesses manuals and stuff. And so France is cracking down.
France is cracking down on annoying behavior on the train. So do we have strong thoughts about this, everybody?

Speaker 3 Does America need the authoritarian crackdown on people listening to music without headphones? And why is the answer? Yes.

Speaker 9 I have thoughts.

Speaker 5 So what? Yeah, you have thoughts. Yeah, Andrew, you go first.
No, I want to hear the argument as to why the government should be involved in this.

Speaker 9 Okay, So

Speaker 9 I'm not saying that the government should be involved in it, which public transport makes it a bigger issue, right?

Speaker 9 But I will tell you that I am very in favor of getting rid of, like, people listening to speakers or, you know, movies without headphones on planes, which is a private company.

Speaker 9 So I have run into this a lot where people just start talking on phones and

Speaker 9 they start playing clips from social media and I'll be sitting right next to them and I'm just like, what's happening? Were you raised in a barn? I find this completely rude.

Speaker 9 I don't know why this is something that needs to be even discussed. You should know better.
You're, you know, a grown adult that is apparently capable enough to buy a plane ticket.

Speaker 9 Please turn that off. Put some headphones in, whatever you got to do.
So

Speaker 9 I'm pro-direction. And by the way, as conservatives, modern conservatives, we are in favor of using government power when it suits the common good.

Speaker 9 You know, I think sometimes we can get ourselves caught in an ideological trap about freedom. It's just like all freedom is good.
Well, I don't want to put poison in my hamburgers at McDonald's.

Speaker 9 So I don't know. There is a role for this.
I don't know that I have an answer as far as public transport, but I will say at the very little, at the very minimum, it is extraordinarily rude.

Speaker 9 And these people deserve to be mocked, scorned, and heaped abuse on publicly.

Speaker 5 So I go for a lot of walks, and I take my kids for walks, especially the more newborn ones. And I never use headphones.
I just listen to my audiobooks just straight out of the phone.

Speaker 5 So, is that should that be regulated? If I'm going for a walk on a sidewalk or I'm walking around, first of all, I don't like the headphones.

Speaker 5 Number two, I think earpods are actually really dangerous and bad for you. That's a whole separate topic and different issue.

Speaker 5 But I guess on an airplane, I suppose, but but hold on, if you also have headphones in, then does it how does it affect you if somebody else doesn't have headphones in?

Speaker 5 So, Blake, what is your argument here?

Speaker 3 So, I don't know if you guys have if any of you guys have been regular bus riders, but when

Speaker 3 I was in D.C., I would actually take the public bus into

Speaker 3 up to Union Station, or not to up to Union Station, I would take it to the Pentagon and then get on the train.

Speaker 3 And the answer for why it would affect you, even if you have headphones, is, Charlie, you would be amazed at how loud some people play music or carry on their phone conversations on their phone.

Speaker 3 And so, if you really want to be honest, I think this is a real thing is the reason it might be a good idea to actually have a government like, you know, to be allowed to crack down on something like that is someone who listens very loudly to music on their phone or on some other device on

Speaker 3 a bus, on a train, is actually probably, it's actually a probably big red flashing warning sign that they have like some anti-social tendency that's going to explode. Because if you are

Speaker 9 going to like stab you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly. Like, you know, it's sort of, it's like broken windows theory applied to like the guy who's going to shove someone in front of a subway train.

Speaker 3 It's like the guy who, he, like, there are people who will play loud music on a subway basically. So it's like they're waiting for someone to ask them to turn it down so they can snap at them.

Speaker 3 Or it's a way of asserting dominance over other people by making them totally making things unpleasant for them. For Charlie's case, I think if you're outdoors,

Speaker 3 if you're walking on the sidewalk, I don't think that matters as much because, I mean, you can have a literal outdoor concert in the park. You can put on a play in the park.

Speaker 3 And so, you listening to an audiobook is

Speaker 3 hardly as bad as any of those things. So, if you're just out on the sidewalk, I think it's fine.

Speaker 3 But we definitely have a pattern of people being extremely loud in the enclosed space of like public transport. And yes, we have video of it.
How about it?

Speaker 3 Looks like we have a couple watching a movie at full volume on a plane. Let's play 195.

Speaker 10 Okay, that's outrageous.

Speaker 5 Alright, you won me over.

Speaker 8 Oh, that.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but you know what this is?

Speaker 5 So,

Speaker 5 let me.

Speaker 10 I think we can pull it down. Oh, that's now that.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 10 Oh, loud.

Speaker 10 Just staring back at him. Mean mug.
No, it's fine. It's just hilarious.

Speaker 9 No, it's not fine don't wiss out so here's here's what this is and actually apple has fixed this so if you're a couple on a plane because i've run into this with my wife where one of us has to put one headphone in and the other puts the other headphone in so you can both watch the same thing as you're sitting next to each other on a flight now apple lets you connect two different bluetooth or bluetooth headphone devices it's uh it's a innovation that i appreciate but here here's so that so that i kind of understand but it's still it there's no excuse but here's what I think: if you got like a 90-10 issue that, like, 90% of normal Americans would agree that's extraordinarily rude to watch a phone on full volume in the plane while people are trying to sleep or have conversations or whatever, you should be able to regulate that.

Speaker 5 I have no problem with that.

Speaker 9 And here's the thing: if you're not going to do that, if they're free to do that and we don't pass a law, then we should be free to approach that person.

Speaker 9 And if it gets violent, to have no liability on us.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 I I think

Speaker 5 as long as you can walk in public spaces, then I'm good.

Speaker 3 I like Lucas MP47 who says, riding the bus, I loved it when people had private phone conversations on speakerphone. I would chime in and make them very uncomfortable.

Speaker 8 No, I'm going to tell you, I listen, I get so annoyed because when I get on a plane, I like to sleep the entire time.

Speaker 8 I try to go to sleep before it takes off and wake up when it like literally is the plane's landing.

Speaker 8 That's the best way to fly because I just I hate just sitting there amongst myself because I'm like a pacer and I need to walk around and and talk and do all that stuff.

Speaker 8 It is so annoying when people are loud in any kind of way, but what about people that smell? They're, I mean, I'm telling you, the smell issue is that's worse. It's worse to me.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's I've been in this situation one time where literally this woman who probably hadn't bathed in it, it seemed like weeks, sat down next to me with a cat that was like in a bag that was right next to me.

Speaker 8 And they like, they were like, literally sat her right next to me. And I was like, I thought I was going to die.
It was like a four-hour flight.

Speaker 8 It was the worst smell I've ever smelled in my entire life. And I don't even, you're stuck.
It's like terrorism. It's, it's civic terrorism, not unlike what we've seen here in Maricopa County.

Speaker 3 So would you say the cat was out of the bag?

Speaker 8 It was, I couldn't tell if it was the cat or the woman or a combination of both, but I'm telling you, it was like pigpin, like you could almost see it in the air.

Speaker 8 And to me, that's just like, and that's the same conversation that they were talking about: people are overweight, they're splitting over, spilling over.

Speaker 8 We had the other ones with feet, people like putting their bare feet out. I discovered

Speaker 3 that video. Can we do that as B-roll? The person shaving their like feet calluses.

Speaker 8 Well, oh, I saw one of those pictures.

Speaker 5 Oh my

Speaker 9 that, I'm sorry, but you're off the plane and you get you get handcuffed when we get to the next destination if we're over halfway. Getmo.
Like, that's beyond the pale.

Speaker 8 That is.

Speaker 9 You have no common courtesy. Like, that person should be put on a no-fly list.

Speaker 8 Well, I found out today that there are airlines that if you pull out those, your bear dogs, they will kick you off. They'll permanently ban you from the airline.

Speaker 5 What are the airlines?

Speaker 8 Delta and Spirit. And I actually hate Delta.

Speaker 5 Spirit will ban you for that? I can't believe it.

Speaker 8 I can't believe it. Spirit is

Speaker 5 a fan of fire.

Speaker 8 Spirit encourages you to fight with people. I'm surprised that they ban you for having your feet out.

Speaker 9 So, Charlie, Charlie,

Speaker 9 I want to check

Speaker 9 my thought process here with, you know, back with

Speaker 9 your libertarian-leaning early days. I think that this is completely, this makes complete sense.
Like, we...

Speaker 9 We do not need to be afraid to use power when we have an overwhelmingly

Speaker 9 positive 90-10 issue. Yeah, maybe there's some like doctrinaire conservative ideas that we're maybe crossing the line here.
But like this is just common courtesy.

Speaker 9 We talk about this like, you know, with bullying, how like, you know, we argued back and forth whether or not.

Speaker 9 bullying had some upsides because it's become such a feminized like weak culture like i feel like this person needs to be bullied this person like with the shaving their foot on the plane obviously has had a lack of bullying enough got it point receiving about bullying

Speaker 5 thank you got it

Speaker 3 the thing about bullying is

Speaker 8 if you

Speaker 3 when you can bully someone into doing something you're able to do through sheer social sanction you're able to do something through sheer social sanction instead of needing a law to do it no so it's less punitive than when you need the state to come in swing wait you were just arguing with me blake i put in the chat like a few weeks ago i said that part of the reason why society is so screwed up is because we we've like we've targeted bullying no but people have like a bad warped idea of what a bully is because they watch too many movies and so they just watch bully things where they think a bully is like a guy who would just stuff someone in a locker and then they decided that's based and we need more of it no no we need we need social punishment of genuinely bad behavior instead of what we have now which is social punishment of actually like pro-social behavior now nowadays you mainly get bullied if you like call the cops on someone who you you would get bullied and like lose your job if you tried to argue against someone doing that at least if they fell into one of you know 18 discrete protected categories on the lib hierarchy by the way while we're doing thought crimes related to airports you know what we really need a jihad against what's that people abusing the wheelchairs do you guys know about this

Speaker 3 so a ton of a ton of airports a ton of airports will basically if you're not mobile or not you know limited mobility they'll basically they'll provide you a wheelchair and they'll wheel you priority through security and you can get on your own plane early as like a priority outside.

Speaker 3 Hold on. And people abuse the crap out of this.
And I've seen it.

Speaker 5 They totally do.

Speaker 3 Once you start

Speaker 3 you see it everywhere.

Speaker 5 You will see people wheeled up to the security line.

Speaker 3 They'll pop up, limber as ever, scamper through, and you'll see a family. You'll see three or four people.

Speaker 5 You'll see two generations of a family

Speaker 3 all in the freaking wheelchairs.

Speaker 9 No, and every dog you see on the airplane, too, is not like a service dog. It's just somebody who's like, I'm going to call it a service dog, and I got my service license or whatever you have to do,

Speaker 9 certification.

Speaker 9 I can't stand that because I,

Speaker 9 it's all a con because everybody's too, like, this is why I think we need to bring up, bring back bullying and like social policing and all the things.

Speaker 9 Because, like, there was a time and place where some a-hole tried to bring their dog on a plane that, like, you know, the guy would have looked over to the dog and been like, sorry, I'm not going to, I'm not going to put up with that.

Speaker 9 Now, listen, I like dogs as much as the next guy, but like, it's just gotten out of hand. It's gotten out of hand.
Like, put the dog down in the, uh, in the, can't they do that?

Speaker 9 Like, they do that with horses. I know they ship horses like overseas, and they have, like, a cargo bin for the, the horse.
You can literally put a horse on like a 747.

Speaker 9 They have a place to put it if you're trying to ship your horse overseas. I think that's what we need to do with dogs most of the time.

Speaker 9 This whole thing where like your dog gets like be where, you know, underneath the seat in front of you you is crazy because some of these people bring in like Labradors.

Speaker 9 And I was on one plane where there was a Rottweiler. Luckily, it was not in

Speaker 9 my three-seat row. It was like across the aisle, but there was a Rottweiler down on the bottom of the seat.
So

Speaker 9 that's my rant.

Speaker 8 Yeah. No, they have cracked down on that, though.
They've really limited because it got like so, so crazy out of control with so many dogs.

Speaker 8 Now you can only have like certain ones under a certain weight, and they have to have like way more justification. They can't just have like whatever it was.

Speaker 9 What about on the subway? What about like public transit? Do you know this? I haven't taken a subway in long enough that I don't even know.

Speaker 8 I think it's like a free-for-all on a lot of these.

Speaker 3 Wait, so hold on. I was distracted.

Speaker 8 The subways and the trains.

Speaker 8 The big issue isn't this. The subways, I think, are more packed, and I think they have more rules in the big cities.

Speaker 8 The real issue that most of our listeners probably have to encounter are the useless light rail that they've been putting in all these cities.

Speaker 8 Like, so they have trolleys and light rails that nobody uses except for homeless people.

Speaker 5 Oh, it was really great.

Speaker 3 They had one in Norfolk, uh, Virginia, where it was like only two stops, and then it was originally free.

Speaker 3 And then they had some of the campaigners were like, you guys, please add a fee to ride this because

Speaker 3 it was just 100%.

Speaker 3 It was just a roving homeless shelter.

Speaker 8 No, that's, they just go, they just sit on the train and it just goes around the city all day long in most most of the cities and they're just hitting they're just doing drugs like in the corner peeing in the corner of the like legit like just like defecating and peeing on the trains and of course like they have dogs and animals and you know there's all sorts of craziness happening fights people stealing stuff from people so no nobody wants to ride it so they spend literally

Speaker 8 like tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars installing these things on all the cities. It's such a farce and nobody actually manages it.

Speaker 8 It's not managed because nobody rides it and nobody cares. It's terrible.

Speaker 9 All right, Eric 1986 says, We used to have dogs in baggage under the plane. Thank you, Eric, 1986.
That's what I thought.

Speaker 5 I remember that.

Speaker 3 But anyway. Yeah, movies and stuff.

Speaker 3 Before we forget it, we have a special question for Charlie.

Speaker 3 If he has any inside information, Ruron donated $10 and asked, when do you think Brent Bozell will be confirmed by the Senate so Kerry Lake can finally be confirmed as director of Voice of America?

Speaker 3 I don't know if we have any inside lore on that.

Speaker 3 I definitely know Democrats have decided.

Speaker 5 Two months?

Speaker 3 Two months. All right.
That's not so bad. But Democrats are definitely going max

Speaker 3 clogging of everything.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 8 what do you think the

Speaker 8 passage rate is going to be now from this

Speaker 8 after cash, Charlie? Do you think most are going to fly through? Or Or who do you think is the next big battle? I think so.

Speaker 5 I think there will be a fight for some of these undersecretaries in the Department of Defense. I don't think there'll be a big fight, but

Speaker 5 I think that even though they got Heg Seth in, there are some people that are against the neoconservative dogma that might be a fight.

Speaker 5 There's been some rumbling about people like Bridge Colby, who's amazing, by the way,

Speaker 5 and some of those other ones. So keep an eye on that, that have very important jobs in the Department of Defense.
And then Cash should be the really big one, the last big one.

Speaker 5 And I think he's going to sail through. But Tulsi and Bobby were the big, big, big ones.
Tulsi, Bobby, Hegseth were the true changemakers.

Speaker 8 It's incredible.

Speaker 9 Charlie, hold on.

Speaker 9 What do you think the proper solution is for public transit? So I think you agree on the plane, but what do you think about public transit and headphone listening, dogs?

Speaker 9 All the different ways people can game it.

Speaker 5 I'm with the French on this. I think they're right.

Speaker 9 Wow.

Speaker 9 So, if anybody has any doubts that Charlie is no longer libertarian-leaning from like 2018, like yeah, but it's not a libertarian leaning.

Speaker 5 It affects other people.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 it's the non-aggression principle, which is you can do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't harm somebody else.

Speaker 5 So, definitionally, if you're listening to a movie on a plane, you're harming somebody else. No one's saying you can't listen to the movie.
You just have to do it in a way that

Speaker 5 doesn't impact the livelihood or the journey, in that case, of the people around you. Yeah.
Passengers. Fair enough.

Speaker 8 Well, and the true libertarian viewpoint here is like, again,

Speaker 8 you know, get create institutions that are where you don't have to be crammed on top of each other.

Speaker 8 And this is also a reminder with like airports and airplanes: is that airplanes used to be a lot more spacious?

Speaker 8 Like the advent of, you know, the consolidation of all the airlines, I believe, has led to more cramped, less luxurious travel.

Speaker 8 Travel in the like, I wish I would have lived in a time period when travel was luxurious, when it was like you dressed up.

Speaker 3 I think travel is still luxurious if you are like a rich person who pays a lot of money.

Speaker 5 No, dude.

Speaker 8 You cannot look at an airline today, like a plane, and see it. Like, there's no one that dresses up intentionally for the flight.
And this is the other thing.

Speaker 3 Well, this goes back to the tattoo thing. People just don't dress up in general.
Like, you used to dress up to go outside a lot of the time.

Speaker 3 You know, you look at a clip of men out in the street in 1925 and they will be much better dressed than today.

Speaker 5 Oh yeah.

Speaker 8 But people like you was it was like a thing to be seen. It was like such a

Speaker 8 place. And then the airlines treated you so much better too.
I mean think about all of the stewardesses. Like it was like an entire cultural revolution that happened in America.

Speaker 8 And they've got like they've gone so far away from that that I think just the lower quality of

Speaker 8 our airlines and the consolidation and making money.

Speaker 5 You know what's an interesting thing? I can't remember if we did a thought creme on this or not, but typically and traditionally, the dogma is that mass deregulation raises the quality.

Speaker 5 Airlines is the opposite, actually.

Speaker 5 Ted Kennedy led a mass deregulation crusade of the airlines in the 1980s, and it resulted in worse air travel, more delays, a worse experience, and and not even better prices.

Speaker 5 That's the thing, is that there was kind of an advent of cheaper airfare, and now that window has closed through mass consolidation and mass regulation.

Speaker 5 And look, that's probably Pan Am, which my grandfather actually helped run Pan Am way back in the day. And that, look, I mean, that was before Teddy Kennedy decided to just

Speaker 5 wreck it all. And if you ask anybody over the age of 60, do they look fondly back on how airfare used to be? I mean, just airlines used to be.
I mean, they'll,

Speaker 5 it's like they're talking about Narnia.

Speaker 3 Sorry, Charlie.

Speaker 3 I'm going to call you on this one. They actually did get cheaper.

Speaker 5 Maybe not.

Speaker 8 What Charlie's saying is the prices have come back up because of consolidation.

Speaker 3 Well, prices, I mean, they go up and down, and also like gas has gotten more expensive, of course.

Speaker 5 So, no, this is a good point, Blake. So,

Speaker 5 let me ask somebody a question here. So, would you rather pay, let's just say, $700 for a ticket for that experience or $300 for the current experience.
$300. It's a legitimate chart

Speaker 5 from L.A. to New York.

Speaker 5 I would pay $1,000

Speaker 5 to not have some cat on me. Yeah, but first you make in a year, Charlie.

Speaker 8 Four foot scrapings.

Speaker 5 But yes,

Speaker 5 I have.

Speaker 5 Of course, I have the money, but your money, I also won't, I don't spend money on stupid stuff. So I'm just saying,

Speaker 5 even in the early days of the career, I would put money towards.

Speaker 5 Look at this.

Speaker 5 That's Blake's airline.

Speaker 8 That's out of control.

Speaker 8 That's out of control.

Speaker 8 That is Blake. That's actually a live.

Speaker 5 That's a live.

Speaker 8 That's the greatest. That was a video of Blake on his way back from the inaugural.

Speaker 3 The Spanish America is that we provided prosperity to all, not to an ennobled few, not to an elite few.

Speaker 3 We are the country of the Model T. We are the country, the washing machine.
Blake, time out.

Speaker 5 Time out. Blake.
Blake's away. Charlie's point by Spirit Airlines.

Speaker 8 Confirmed.

Speaker 8 No, but Charlie's point is really good because the consolidation, the monopolization that came through deregulation, and this is the same with the big banks, has created an inferior product.

Speaker 8 When you have more airlines, you can have Blake's option, like a lot more spirits, and you can have a lot more, you know, Pan Am.

Speaker 8 The truth is, we don't have

Speaker 5 all the same airlines.

Speaker 3 We're going to show for this because we're going to make it happen. The number one thing that's made air travel worse is not airline deregulation.
It's the TSA.

Speaker 3 That is by far the worst part of flying is you have to get in your cattle car line to go through security.

Speaker 5 I disagree. And I mean, it's all metal.
That's the worst part. That sucks.

Speaker 5 I think I'm being targeted.

Speaker 8 I think I'm being targeted by the government. Every time I go through,

Speaker 8 the body scanner says I have something, I'm carrying something in my cross region.

Speaker 3 Stop doing that.

Speaker 8 I'm not. I'm never doing it.

Speaker 5 And they have to pat me down literally with the back of their hand on the crag where you're like every time.

Speaker 3 No, I think detectors say there's a huge mess.

Speaker 5 Charlie's around that region.

Speaker 8 He knows I'm being like picked out and bullied by the government.

Speaker 8 I'm not telling you every time I go.

Speaker 5 Tyler's been on, he's been on the Tulsi Goward list for a while. So hold on.

Speaker 9 The safe skies list. Hey, put up B-roll 21211.
Okay. Like this, I think

Speaker 5 that's not what we're talking about, but you know, no, but Blake, you're wrong.

Speaker 9 It is not that TSA has made it

Speaker 9 less luxurious or worse. We've done this to ourselves.
And this little fashion evolution, I think, is key. Like, we used to have some standards.

Speaker 9 People used to, and now you go on airlines and it's like you're sitting next to somebody in their freaking PJs, watching a phone with the speaker on, no headphones, and they smell, and they got wheeled in on a wheelchair that they didn't need.

Speaker 5 I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. Like, the whole experience is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 The trashification of the fish. And the food sucks.
The food sucks. They had an expired diet coke.
And they never had. And they had coffee that is indistinguishable from jet fuel.

Speaker 5 And you might get peanuts. And, like, my favorite, I mean, again, I do stuff for the record.
I have millions of miles of flying, right?

Speaker 5 Million mile club in America, two million miles in America, million with United, million with Delta. And I always loved when I was flying American, where they would act as if, Mr.

Speaker 5 Kirk, thank you so much for being concierge key and for being a two million mile flyer. Would you like a cheese tray? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yes, thank you. Very much appreciate.
And I actually would cherish the cheese tray. Yes.
Because in this sea of scum, cherished cheese. I would have

Speaker 5 a slice of cheddar cheese. Do you have the tray in your home?

Speaker 3 Like still?

Speaker 5 Saver. Saver.
Not save.

Speaker 5 Saver.

Speaker 5 And then I would get my jet fuel coffee, my jet fuel coffee, and I just, I thought that was the greatest thing ever. And then I look at this Pan Am

Speaker 5 experience, and

Speaker 5 we've been propagandized to believe.

Speaker 8 I mean, look at this. No, it's like prison food.

Speaker 5 Blake thought that this was a bad part of America.

Speaker 8 No, Charlie's right. It's like prison food.
You're like a a prisoner on a plane.

Speaker 5 When I was in the city,

Speaker 8 the crazier part that we haven't even touched on, they can keep you trapped in that plane for like seven hours or something. Like, if I've been one time, it was totally one time.

Speaker 9 Some light goes on in the bathroom, and you can't get off the flight.

Speaker 5 Don't even give me something.

Speaker 8 I was on one flight one time. It's only happened to me one time where they had no food on the plane, and something happened.
We got stuck on the tarmac for like legit seven hours.

Speaker 8 Like, it was like a seven-hour situation.

Speaker 5 Trump's got to change that regulation. It's not an an act of Congress.

Speaker 5 They should do maximum to three-hour waits. Then you got to go back to the gate.

Speaker 8 But to your point, Charlie, like real food, it's like a prison.

Speaker 8 If you're stuck on a plane, even for four or five hours and they're serving you like that dog food that they serve you now, it is terrible. It is terrible.

Speaker 8 And the other thing is, this is a real thought-crime-y thing that we really haven't gotten to. If you travel in foreign countries, they still take pride in the people that they hire.

Speaker 3 Like there's in the people that you're just saying that in other countries they hire hot chicks.

Speaker 5 They do. All the flight attendants.

Speaker 3 attendants they hire and we have then we have like you know battle that was the old pan am way that was the old one yeah no i like that i'm okay with that we can use dei to re-engine getting rid of dei to re-engage

Speaker 8 the the the average the average the average flight attendant could be in lord of the rings yes the average flight attendant is uh is definitely on the on that on that uh peter jackson

Speaker 5 uh looks gandoffy some of them are gandoffy some of them are very gandoffy long beards are hating that level But like I said, America is like...

Speaker 9 Some of these hobbits are still fixing their feet

Speaker 9 in the aisle. Yeah, they're like...

Speaker 5 No, okay. So

Speaker 5 here's my advice to how we fix air travel. It's very simple, and everyone loves it.
You charge 25% more, and you get rid of middle seats. And you make the whole cabin first class.
Yes.

Speaker 5 A whole first class work. Yes.

Speaker 5 But that's JSX, and it works really well. And JSX is very profitable, and they sell out, and it's it's all regional out here west.
If you'll know what JSX, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 You can fly from Scottsdale to Vegas or Scottsdale to LA, and yeah, you'd have to charge like 33% more. I think there's a huge market for that.

Speaker 5 And then, by the way, if you want to go be treated like a piece of cattle to go fly from Phoenix to Tampa via Condios, fine, great.

Speaker 5 You could take the bus.

Speaker 5 That's what it's become. It's a bus.
And it's an insult because you fly on these other European airlines or fly LL and all of a sudden they have like pride and they love their airline.

Speaker 5 It's like a representation. Just think about it.
Think about if you're from Europe or the Middle East and you're flying something called American Airlines. American Airlines.

Speaker 5 So it has the name of our country. By the way,

Speaker 5 you fly the Emirates, you fly Turkish Airlines, you fly, you know, Qatar Airways.

Speaker 5 They have like pride in their nation and they're all thin and they're cut and they know what's going on and they love their country and they're a representation.

Speaker 5 And you fly American Airlines Airlines, and it is the sloppiest, slovenly, nobody cares. The flight attendants won't even look you in the eye.
It's like they're annoyed that you're there.

Speaker 5 I think it's a bad representation of the country.

Speaker 8 It totally is.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 in general, too.

Speaker 8 And if you've been to the airport in Qatar or Dubai,

Speaker 5 Doha.

Speaker 8 And Doha. Yeah, in Doha.

Speaker 3 I'm wondering about Charlie's math here because he was saying you can get JSX for 30% more.

Speaker 3 I'm looking it up right now.

Speaker 8 Scottsdale to Dallas, JSX, $360.

Speaker 3 I can get a flight. I could go up to Phoenix Sky Harbor and I could fly round trip to Dallas and back

Speaker 3 $55.

Speaker 5 $55.

Speaker 3 $55. I'm sorry.
I don't care if the experience sucks. Frontier Spirit, but I don't.
Airline. Frontier and Spirit.

Speaker 5 $55. Whoa, hold on.
That's not an airline. No, no, no, no, no, no.
That's Amtrak in the air. No, no, no.
Charlie says United States. Charlie, if you

Speaker 5 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no flying Spirit, you might leave that week.

Speaker 3 Charlie, if you're fine.

Speaker 3 If you don't think it's amazing that I can get into an aluminum tube, accelerate it to 700 miles an hour, or whatever they go, 500 miles an hour, and go to Dallas and do it all again to come back for $55.

Speaker 5 You're dodging

Speaker 5 anti-American Army.

Speaker 8 No, Charlie's arguing.

Speaker 3 This is what the Wright brothers died for. No, no, no, no, no, no, Blake.

Speaker 5 He's about American Airlines.

Speaker 5 Blake doesn't understand. No, Spirit Airlines charges you for more than one bag.
So you only get one carry-on. The second one is another $50.
If you have a carry-on

Speaker 5 bag, it's $100. They charge you for water.

Speaker 5 How many carry-ons do you have? They charge you for water.

Speaker 5 Well, it's water. I don't know why you are.

Speaker 8 I think they charge you for a backpack. You can't even bring in like how many

Speaker 5 of them do. Toilet paper.

Speaker 9 You can't spare a square. No, they charge you for everything.

Speaker 5 You can't spare a square. And by the way, the clientele of Spirit Airlines is middle class.

Speaker 8 I was straight up molested on Spirit Airlines. No.
In my first, I'm telling you, I woke.

Speaker 5 I actually

Speaker 8 back in the early days of Turning Point. We would all

Speaker 8 Charlie remembers this. We would book everybody on Spirit.
We were cost-saving all the time until we realized how unsafe it was probably on that flight. I got on this flight.

Speaker 8 It was like a midnight flight to Chicago. And it was, I got on this flight.
I'm in middle seat. This woman sits down next to me who's drunker than any drunk person I've ever seen on an airline.

Speaker 8 She should not have been flying. They should not have let her on the plane.
Somehow gets on the plane.

Speaker 8 I'm in a jacket because you can't check anything, right? Because it's spirit. So I'm literally wearing like a winter coat to Chicago.

Speaker 8 I wake up and this woman has her arms wrapped around me and like cuddling me the entire flight.

Speaker 3 And now you're married?

Speaker 8 I was married at the time. I woke up and I had to push her off me.
This was like spirit. She's like, hush.

Speaker 8 This is the type of ride that you have to selectively choose on spirit. Charlie's point about American Airlines is that there's a representation issue that we have here.

Speaker 8 And it's not just American, it's all the big airlines. And we have no standards whatsoever.

Speaker 8 And you go from riding, you know, the beautiful airport in Qatar and Doha that's literally like backlit marble counters when they check your passport to America.

Speaker 8 And it's like, literally, they like give you the bird when you walk on and put out a cigarette before.

Speaker 5 That has like nothing to do with the

Speaker 5 airport.

Speaker 3 The airports of America are still just as greasy even if you're flying first class.

Speaker 8 Like still pretty good.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but you're not stuck in one place seated the whole time.

Speaker 9 Listen, I have not heard an idea like this much in a long time. We need to make American air travel great again.
All right. None of it, like,

Speaker 5 there's got to be some

Speaker 9 industry in.

Speaker 9 And by the way, the amount of flights that I've flown in the last year that have been delayed because of mechanical failure or because of some light went on and they got to process the paperwork and they got to bring so-and-so in from this other outside hangar.

Speaker 9 And then it's like two and a half hours later. You're sitting there waiting for the flight to take off and you don't even know if it's going to take off.

Speaker 9 And you're like wrestling with, do I try and book on another airline? Or I'm sick of this.

Speaker 9 We got to have some standards here. And Charlie's absolutely right.
This

Speaker 9 needs to be

Speaker 9 remedied. And I think Trump will get behind this, Charlie.
I think Trump would totally agree with all of these.

Speaker 9 I hope so, too, because I think he gets it. He's the guy who's saying our airports need to be a better air representation.

Speaker 5 He had Trump air for a while. He literally had Trump air.

Speaker 5 But to your point,

Speaker 9 I mean, the most recent foreign flight I think I took it was on Korean air. And these women were like on top of it.
They were making sure you had everything you needed, when you needed it.

Speaker 9 I mean, it was a little bit robotic, but it was impressive. And American Airlines or Delta or whatever's flying abroad, we need to be better representations of the American culture.

Speaker 8 Well, that's the problem, too, is everyone already, like everyone internationally already thinks we're slobs and disgusting, and then they fly.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we have to

Speaker 8 guided or American, and then they're like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what I expect. And I always feel that way, too.

Speaker 8 I'm always kind of embarrassed when I like get to an American airport after international travel because I'm like if I showed up here if I spent all that money to come to like California in my head and like I show up to LAX which is literally a third world country it's like it's basically like going to it's a disgusting thing oh yeah it's Charlie I'll never forget one of the funniest moments of my life was

Speaker 8 Charlie Kirk at LAX

Speaker 8 we got we had like a crazy uber situation and it was like we got like hijacked at Uber

Speaker 8 but it's like a third world country. I'm embarrassed that, like, we have these awful airlines.
They, we show up, the airports are awful. It's a, it's horribly run.

Speaker 8 And then you step outside, like in California, for example, and like, that's their first impression of America is like the ghetto of California, which is disgusting.

Speaker 8 And it's just, we have to fix all of it. And a lot of countries work really hard where it's like your first impression is at the airport.
It's on the plane. It's stepping outside of the airport.

Speaker 8 And if we don't don't fix that, I mean,

Speaker 8 it's not going to help. So like, why not now? You know, this whole renaissance on architecture, why not also focus on air travel?

Speaker 9 Well, we have to demand change when we have power. And I'm just saying,

Speaker 9 vibe shift starts with us. I'll never forget, Charlie, you remember when Tucker did this, when he went to Hungary? And he was like, the architecture was so beautiful.

Speaker 9 And that started this, this, I would say, kind of renaissance within conservative intellectual circles saying, yeah, you know what? You're right. We need to get our architecture game back on.

Speaker 9 And I think this is going to filter through where we demand excellence out of our own countrymen and our own industries again. I think it's a good thing.
It's a positive conversation. I endorse.

Speaker 5 All right, we got about 10 minutes here. Do you want to, Blake, tell us why America is super healthy?

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 what we are going to do is I think our fun conversation could be. So RFK Jr.
got through today. He's now HHS secretary.

Speaker 3 So I thought we could discuss what should our actual top priorities be for making America healthy again.

Speaker 3 Because I thought that could spark a good debate because I'm always in disagreement with everyone about what our health issues are. And to commemorate RFK getting confirmed,

Speaker 3 maybe have seen me waving this Hiroshima carp mug around. I brought in over the holidays, the 7-Up Company, whoever makes them.
I think they're made by Dr. Pepper.

Speaker 3 Anyway, they made a Shirley Temple-flavored 7-Up variety. And there is no way that this soda is going to be legal under RFK's regime because I think the second most common ingredient in it is Red 40.

Speaker 3 So I'm going to crack this one open to celebrate it. It stains everything I put it in.

Speaker 8 Red 40s in that?

Speaker 3 Red something. Let me see.

Speaker 8 I just bought that this last week for the Super Bowl for my kids.

Speaker 3 Red 40. Red 40 is all over this.
It's going to stain the crap out of this mug.

Speaker 5 It's great.

Speaker 8 I got to stronger.

Speaker 5 You're basically.

Speaker 9 Like, how is this different than you being like a crackhead being like bragging about... I mean, you're putting poison into your body.

Speaker 9 Okay, I guess you're for like legalizing all drugs for kids.

Speaker 3 It's great stuff. It's very delicious.

Speaker 5 I recommend it.

Speaker 8 No, Red, I was pulling up all the Red 40.

Speaker 8 And this is the thing. So RFK has to,

Speaker 8 this is the scalp that... RFK has to get in the first month in order to be successful is Red 40.
I really believe that. If he knocks out red 40,

Speaker 5 what?

Speaker 5 Hold on.

Speaker 9 Didn't we already do something with red 40?

Speaker 8 I don't think it's that.

Speaker 5 No, I think we just talked about it.

Speaker 5 Biden did something.

Speaker 9 Yeah, at the end of Biden's term, he tried to like take it.

Speaker 3 So wait, now we have to protect Red 40 because that's magic. It's not.

Speaker 8 He's drinking it right now. Like, literally, he wouldn't just got that seven up, and he's literally drinking it.
It's red 40 still around.

Speaker 3 Yeah, red 40 is all over this one.

Speaker 8 But it red 40, asthma, allergies, cancer, brain damage, attention deficit, hyperactivity, it's all been linked. It's like Red 40 is probably the base.

Speaker 8 But if RFK actually gets this thing done and gets it.

Speaker 5 Okay, so no, I agree, Tyler. So, Blake, why don't you uninterruptedly tell us why America is so sick, so lethargic, so suicidal, so overweight, so anxious, so depressed?

Speaker 5 You don't think it's any of the Maha stuff. So the burden is on you because the data is objective.
All those things are happening. Why?

Speaker 3 Honestly, if I had to guess, if you were to say, pick one big thing that's like driving huge across-the-board declines in health outcomes, if I had to guess, I think it would turn out to be plastics.

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 my like plastics, everything. Super Maha! But

Speaker 3 it's not nearly as trendy to worry about plastics as it is to worry about

Speaker 3 no, but like the thing about it is, like, Maha is way more obsessed with like the vaccines, with like the secret cheat codes in the food and all of that.

Speaker 3 And I actually think that the boring answer is the fact that plastic is totally omnipresent in everything. Way more,

Speaker 3 it's almost a despair-inducing because what are you going to do? Are we going to get rid of plastic? Probably not. We use it for everything.

Speaker 3 And when you look at plastics, like plastics leach into everything, microplastics get into your bloodstream.

Speaker 3 And we don't know exactly what it does, but we do know that there is some impact of plastics in your blood on like certain hormonal processes. So like over time, it's screwing up some of our hormones.

Speaker 3 And the effects of plastic stuff are epigenetic. They actually basically alter your gene expression in your body.
And that can stack one generation after another.

Speaker 3 So you get 10% messed up by the plastics. That 10% is inherited by your kids who get another 10%.

Speaker 3 And that could easily explain why so many things we see are accelerating. Like they're continuing over time.
Like the reason I would always criticize people who say I mean I totally agree with that.

Speaker 3 Like a lot of the stuff that people blame on like causing

Speaker 3 autism, for example, it doesn't necessarily make sense because it should be like a light switch where we did this and then it doubled overnight.

Speaker 3 Whereas stuff like allergies, stuff like autism, it's that it's just going up every single year on a pretty linear basis.

Speaker 3 And for something like that to be happening, I think you need some sort of constant environmental factor that's like shoving itself in.

Speaker 3 And so it's probably not like seed oils, where it's just a constant thing, or or, you know, this or that shot that people have decided is to blame. So I think it's pretty interesting.
Like,

Speaker 3 I think the best use of RFK is if we were to just go all out on, let's fund as much study of this as we possibly can. Let's produce as much science as we possibly can.

Speaker 3 As opposed to what I think a lot of people are tempted to do, where they basically want to impulsively ban certain things, or,

Speaker 3 people want money for this or that thing.

Speaker 3 There are people who are going to want to use Maha to just mean you can use Medicare or Medicaid to pay for homeopathic medicine. And I think that would be a mistake.

Speaker 3 I don't think we should use taxpayer dollars to buy flavored water for people, but it could happen.

Speaker 5 I am a big homeopathy, but I think you should pay for it yourself. I'm a believer that there's a lot more in the natural world that could help you than drugs.
But Blake, one of the

Speaker 5 guiding principles of Maha is that there is an invisible environmental toxin that is doing something we don't quite know what. So you're kind of in the thesis then with the plastic thing.

Speaker 5 I'm surprised. You're kind of

Speaker 5 within the

Speaker 5 genre that there is

Speaker 5 an invisible force that is doing something to us. We don't quite know what, but we have to figure out what that is.
That is kind of the core premise of Maha.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think I'm not 100% alien to it. There's, you know, there's kind of, what I always worry about is

Speaker 3 there's a line that is attributed to G.K. Chesterton.
He didn't literally say it, but we'll get behind it. Where it's like, an atheist isn't someone who believes in nothing.

Speaker 3 It's a person who believes in anything. Once you become an atheist, you'll just believe in anything.
And I worry that that is something that can happen with

Speaker 3 the health stuff in general. It's like...
COVID happened. It was really disgraceful.
All the health experts acquitted themselves very badly for the most part.

Speaker 3 And some people have reacted to that by going, They lied to us about that. So they're lying about everything.

Speaker 3 And I don't trust the doctors. The only person I can trust is, you know, this, this like weird guy I found on the internet, and all of that.
And

Speaker 3 I would encourage people to be more skeptical of that than they often are because I think it can lead to unfortunate outcomes. But I do think it's very real.

Speaker 3 People are right to look at the way things are and say,

Speaker 3 this isn't normal. Like kids,

Speaker 3 they actually are not way less active today than they were 20 years ago, yet they are fatter than they were 20 years ago. They are more depressed than they were 20 years ago.

Speaker 3 They are exhibiting weird medical problems. We were looking at that article just today that the rate of

Speaker 3 kind of precocious cancers, people getting cancer under 50 years old, went way, way up between 1990 and 2019.

Speaker 3 And if you're looking at what's the obvious change that happens between 1990 and 2019, I'm not sure there is one. And people are just freaking out about it.
And I think they're right to do that.

Speaker 3 But I think the correct focus should be increase our level of knowledge as much as possible as opposed to playing whack-a-mole where we decide, oh, actually, like Red 40 is the thing that's going to kill all of us.

Speaker 3 So ban it immediately. I mean, if they want to, I'm sure they will, but I don't think it's that good.
It's going to be the kill shot that makes us all healthy.

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Thank you guys. Wonderful episode.
One of the best ones we've had in recent memory. Till next week, keep on committing thought crimes.

Speaker 5 Talk to you soon.

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