THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 73 — Does Flying Stink Now? MAHA Day 1? LOTR = Gay?

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Go to noblegoldinvestmentsments.com okay everybody uh it is thought crime thursday and we are here live with blake andrew and jack did i get that right i always say that before i can say oh nope tyler there's no jack jack is in ukraine is that right jack has enlisted to be a fighting force soldier of zelensky is that correct he's he's front lines Yeah. Front lines.
They get drafted, man. Yeah, he got drafted.
He was the first drafted. Yeah.
Mitch McConnell. They got a letter where they said anyone who has a Polish last name in the United States has to go fight in Ukraine for their old, you know, Poland used to own that whole area.
Mitch McConnell letterhead and everything. It's crazy.
Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't have answered that.

It's really crazy.

It's one of those things Doge found.

It's actually a law that they have to do this if we fight in Eastern Europe.

You get drafted if you're Polish.

It's crazy.

So we have a series of topics today that are unusual.

One of them is about someone I don't really know.

I think he dated Kim Kardashian.

Blake introduced us to our first topic.

That's part of the joy.

That's what I'm saying. that are unusual uh one of them is about someone i don't really know i think he dated kim kardashian blake introduced us to our first topic that's that's part of the joy that's why i thought it'd be fun to drop this on you so there is this person named pete davidson he is famous for he must be famous for some kind of reason i've never quite understood what it was i think he's allegedly a comedian but i don't know any jokes he's told or anything but just just trust us that just trust me chiley he is he is famous for some reason anyway he's also like very ghastly looking because he famously would be covered in a million gazillion tattoos he was basically the prototypical modern millennial by being tatted up from neck to ankle and a kind of strange story to have happen in the first three weeks of the trump administration is he went and he got all or almost all of his tattoos removed which i don't know if you guys are aware because i don't think any of us here have tattoos but it's actually a pretty involved process to do this he apparently had to spend about 250 000 and they basically have to burn it off like they systematically burn your skin and then it has to grow back so this is a pretty intense thing for him to do uh but he actually did burn it off and you know did a kind of gay looking photo shoot there but we won't dwell upon that what we're dwelling upon is this is happening in the first first month of the Trump administration and it's also happening while we're having all of the the DEI rollbacks we're having we've moved on from just Walmart and and target to to disney is canceling dei uh goldman sachs a major investment they're they're canceling their dei is there a vibe shift and can we detect it from such things and also is it good i feel like maga was becoming the if anything the the tat there was a lot of tattoos in maga so maybe we're just doing a switcheroo on that one.
Anyway, I think it's an interesting topic. Charlie, do you want to chime in? How about I start with this? I'm trying to learn.
How about I start with this? Pete Davidson, his dad famously died in 9-11. He was like a New York kid, Staten Island.
His dad died. OK, so that's kind of his origin story.
I think he's got he's he's quintessential daddy, daddy issues, kind of millennial guy. So then he becomes a comedian.
He was on SNL, dated Kim Kardashian, dated like apparently the deal with Pete Davidson. And I don't understand the fame thing either but he's dated a lot of really attractive women so apparently he's got some game I don't understand what the game is there's there's rumors about that but then he is to Blake's point he's probably the most surprising person that you would see reform his life in such a way so I don't know if he had some really like good alpha dad and he's kind of reconnecting with with that energy that he you know obviously it was a with his dad's tragic death in 9-11 kind of fell away from it and he was just had a really long rebellious period but he is he's got something he's got something because he's able to have the success that he had he's produced and directed movies and i think corrupt co-wrote them so it is a very telling cultural marker uh i don't know if you can extrapolate too much from it but good for him i tend to think tattoos like the ones he had were pretty heinous and ugly and tacky um i would love to know what the people in our chat think what do you guys think about tattoos in general is we do to blake's point a lot of people in the maga world and conservative movement have a lot of tattoos it's a military thing but pete david davidson's was definitely next level next level tattoos tyler mormons aren't allowed to get And the Bible doesit tattoos just saying yeah i mean i think every bible does prohibit it yeah every i think most like orthodoxy is against yeah and anyone that's orthodox we did go through the phase where we were like celebrating like hegseth for having his deus volt tattoo and all of that so no i feel like people are less schizo on the tattoo topic depending on whether they think it feels like cool and rebellious or just trashy I feel like if you're in the military you get away with it first of all um and I mean yeah Leviticus 1928 you shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves but isn't that saying for the dead no or tattoo yourself or tattoo yourself yeah but again there's a lot of things in the old testament that we don't necessarily bring forward to the new testament like you know women's head coverings i don't know there's a bunch of stuff what uh you want to read comments, Blake? I was going to say while we read those.
Some do. Some do.
I think it's a maturity thing, too. I could be wrong about this.
I don't know if Pete Davidson. Pete Davidson, his whole brand is known as being immature.
And I think that maybe, you know, you're talking about vibe shift with all this stuff. I think that there are a lot of people i know i've known a lot of people who've had tattoos removed i've a lot of friends it's a very millennial centric thing i actually think this is part of the swing back with gen z gen z is a lot less edgy about this stuff i kind of i've always equated to people the millennial thing is kind of like hippie is gen z less edgy or i i could if someone told me gen z someone told me gen z can't get tattoos because they're so scared of needles because they're scared of everything so they can't handle the tattoo process i would probably believe them because it seems like gen z is scared of its own shadow it's like those like those phone apps you know that can track people nope i think you can agree like an older millennial kid would be angry if their parent was you know putting a tracker on their phone to know exactly where they were at all times apparently it's the opposite now where zoomers are uncomfortable gen zers are uncomfortable if they they can't have the app on their phone so their parents know where they are at all times yeah they need that comfort it's like so maybe they're also just scared of needle pricks they're they're scared of they're scared of driving they're scared of i i just think i just think it's been like a swing back and gen z is just a lot more you know almost traditional in a lot of different ways and he's young millennial though to be fair to be fair he's young millennial he's the exact same age as charlie kirk basically he's like a month younger than you charlie i i'm a month older yeah that's right that's crazy i didn't i mean so can we put the can we put the picture up for anyone who's gay or a woman is this considered a good looking man i would like i would like someone to instruct me so i i just i'm so fascinated what does the chat think uh fisherman 85 says he got a tattoo when he was 23 he was drunk and he had 50 burning a hole in his pocket lol i think that does accurately represent the thought process that goes into permanently marking your body much of the time like yeah i'm definitely going to want this like like the name of this girl i've been dating for two weeks on my skin forever that will not be something i regret i actually have a good story about this we had staff leading into 2020 they all went out one night and they got inside their lip tattoos that said MAGA and then obviously we know what

happened in 2020 so we had no choice but to spend four years of fighting back because their tattoos

and they were told that those tattoos would fade on their inside of their lip it did not did not

fade it did not fade so they've got they've got permanent permanent MAGA like so what were they

just sitting there like for for like they must have had a really great night i don't know i wasn't there so they was not really good but there was like four or five of them and then okay uh the real arthur blake who is not me he he says the photo is gay so i trust him i think he's probably got a good evaluation of that he looks like he looks like he's strung out oklahoma stoner chick i probably would trust her too um too skinny because uh what are you looking at because the sun doesn't hit it i think the uh the comments are not feeling very positive about uh mr pete davidson so pete davidson yeah but let's take the can we take the picture down i just like i don't know you asked for them to put it back up i i will i want to note that you asked for them to put it back up i did not charlie asked oh whatever someone did the point is it wasn't me who asked it to go back up all right that's fine you asked the question though andrew about what's the allure of him to like he gets like really attractive i think he's like yeah he's dated like a bunch of models right i could be wrong about this but i think wasn't he like branded like the rebound guy like he was always the guy that was like picking up girls that like i i just like kind of semi remember this is like he was always picking up famous girls like right after they break up is that am i wrong about that i don't know if anyone else heard that but i think a lot of women and they're famous they like to date people who are funny i think i think he's on the on the funny attractive scale obviously less attractive probably to most people okay but he's funny so he's dated he's dated madeline klein who's apparently somebody uh uh some chase sue wonders i don't know any of these people this is hilarious he dated ariana grande he dated emily rada chikowski whatever her name is you know she's kind of like famous for being famous. Kim Kardashian.
Phoebe DeNeville. Don't know who that is.
Oh, I recognize her face. So she's some actress.
Kaya Gerber. I don't know.
It's like a lot of famous Kate Beckinsale. He dated Kate Beckinsale.
Yeah, who's like super old. Yeah, Kazzy David.
I don't know who that is. Anyways, all like obviously noteworthy uh people uh to some extent so he's got some game but he's like the he's the uh celebs like to date effeminate men says crimson blackard I kind of think that's right you know this does circle back though to our most important topic which is whether Lord of the Rings is gay or not because did you know that the cast of the fellowship the nine members of the fellowship of the ring they to commemorate being on like in the movie they all got some shared tattoo that's like with something from tolkien and they all they all got the tattoo i watched lord of the rings this weekend and tyler ruined it for me.
I have to just be honest. You agree with him now? Every time Frodo and Sam.
You gave into this? No, I don't. You see it.
No. You see it now.
I don't agree. I'm saying that he ruined it.
I always used to look at it as, you know, brotherly love, and then Frodo and Sam, there's some very long gazes. It's so brotherly love.
You guys are giving in to the propaganda. No, no, no.
The propaganda wants you to think every time. Tyler gets in your head about this, and then all of a sudden you can't unsee it.
I'm not even saying it's right. I'm saying you kind of infer it.
And, geez, Frodo doesn't look at women that way. This is Peter Jackson's fault.
Doesn't look at the woman in the woods that way. Doesn't look at Liv Tyler that way.
That's right. I think you can infer that Frodo knew his place.
And then you really start wondering, like, Mary, Pippin, Sam, and Frodo are all sharing a room. And you really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about.
This is like a three-week vlog. What conversation? And it's keep going until i win this conversation and you gotta wonder like what are they actually doing in rivendell what are they really doing in rivendell because you look at it through kind of the modern woke lens yeah and i got it's i'm not saying tyler's right but it half ruined the movie what do you realize what they're doing in rivendell why is gandalf going down there like a weirdo? They're playing music and they're singing their Elfish songs in their Elfish language and there's nothing gay about it.
No, what's Gandalf really going down there for? It's like his little Thailand. This is creepy stuff.
Is Gandalf the Epstein wizard of Middle East? Yes, he is. That's his Thailand.
I'm not saying. Brian wants us to throw this up.
Ryan wants us to throw this up. 204.
Let's throw it up. There it is.
I'm telling you, once you see it through the Tyler lens, it's not that he's right. It's just you can't unsee it and it kind of ruins the film.
I want to make this point that we didn't make a few weeks ago. It's not just that.
I think Peter Jackson had this weird homoerotic approach to this because the elves are all super gay. They're all super gay.
Orlando Bloom is like he looks like Pete Davidson. He's got Pete Davidson vibes to him which is like yes, yes.
And we talked about all the orcs. There's no women orcs.
There's no female. There's a lot of gay.
What do they do that's gay? What do the orcs do that's gay? There's no girls. There's no women.
Yeah. So is the military gay? Is Pete Hegsteth's to like make combat really gay? Is that the goal, Tyler? The story itself, the story itself is not necessarily homoerotic, but there's like gazes that are like half a second, two seconds too long.
And then like the whole like, Sam, I'm so glad I have you with me. It's like completely unnecessary extra lines of dialogue.
I'm sorry. I rewatched it, and it's such a good movie, and it's so amazing.
But if you kind of go back to watch a movie 20 years ago through modern, ultra, like, let's just say, gay lens of film, you see some things there. You got, boy, if that was made in 2025, would be broke back mountain it would be awful so this this reminds me this reminds me of what happened with abraham lincoln right so he had this really close friendship with a guy named joshua fry speed and this is before they were he was president like well before i i sent the the the old-timey image of joshua fry speed but there was in 1926 a biography of lincoln by carl sandberg alluded to the early relationship lincoln and his friend joshua fry speed had as having a streak of lavender and spots soft as may violets uh and that's kind of reminds me of like a really good description of uh frodo and that's mcclellan that's gandalf yeah gandalf is gay i forgot ian mcclellan yeah see yeah but like i also call it like this is you know we're changing history here i mean i can guarantee you that that maybe the movie's a little bit like homoerotic, but the books and the original intent...

It says Grand Marshal.

He's the Grand Marshal of the gay parade.

Yeah, but that's modern...

That's not the way the books were written.

That's not the original intent.

Oh, geez.

I know.

You guys, when you accept this framing,

you are giving in to the gay industrial complex.

I never thought it at all my entire life.

And then Tyler mentions it, and it half ruins it.

Like, if you let them do it, if you let them get away with it, they're going to make George Washington gay.

They're going to make Jesus gay.

To Blake's point, that's why I brought up Lincoln.

So he had a – like So he has four kids.

He was in a long relationship with his wife. What was her name? Mary Todd or whatever.
And he had a history of having romantic relationships with other women before that. I'm not sure they were physical.
But the point is everybody thought he was heterosexual his whole life. And then we get to like 2020 and all of a sudden he's gay this so so i i do want to like make space for the fact that that men can have intimate non-sexual very heterosexual relationships and i think before the gay agenda took over modern pop culture nobody would have thought differently about it stop it ryan one of our producers keeps putting in very inappropriate pictures uh anyways what it's worth we have to make space for the fact well i mean this is a this is a real conversation though because and this and this does tie back to pete davidson because you know his like this you know growing up fatherless thing obviously no fault of his own his dad died in 9 11 whatever but like this entire feminization of males i think the feminization of males in general has made it impossible for guys to have like those old school you know guy best friends because people look at you and question if you're gay so when you create a world in which that's so prevalent i think it's harder to be to heart it's hard to have like a best buddy.
And this actually, I've talked about this recently with friends. It's like, it's actually hard in general for men to get together and do anything like kind of the old school days.
It was like men used to get together and do bowling leagues and poker nights and dah, dah, dah, and those things happen, but I don't think they're nearly as prevalent as they were, you know, many years ago. And, and I think it's like,

this is all part and parcel to like, again, Hollywood, everything,

just like pushing the gay agenda, which, you know,

may or may not have started with Lord of the Rings. So, you know,

just seeding it. I totally agree.
I, I totally agree. Here's here.

I don't know if this is going to help my case or hurt it depending on,

but I'll never forget when I went to Italy and I, okay. so it's apparently going to hurt it based on blake's reaction to italy but i remember going in italy and there would be men holding hands walking down the street just holding hands and they were i asked i was like are they gay and they're like no no they're straight as an arrow like that's just men in italy they'll just hold like if they feel close to another man they'll just hold each other's hands i'm just i'm just saying what i saw yeah that's what i but that's what i think when i think of italy all i'm saying is through a 2025 lens you watch the movie 20 years later and it's just you can't help but think because we look at all of that stuff as homoerotic and gay.
Thanks for ruining a childhood favorite, Tyler. Really appreciate it.
Oh, no, no. He completely wrecked it.
Well, I mean, it was somebody had had planted that in my mind. But this is how it happened for me.
I watched during COVID. I downloaded all the trilogies that existed because there was like so every night i would just watch start watching one of the trilogies i watched literally every movie that had a trilogy and i downloaded lord of the rings i started watching i was like man this is really gay i can't watch this and i like shut up i downloaded all three i paid for all three movies and i only watched like the like first half of the first one now i'm now thanks to thanks to andrew's like italy's super straight thing i'm i'm looking up liberace to make sure he was in fact italian and yes he was italian and he put a big candelabra on his piano and he insisted he was straight his whole life and then he well he died of a condition not associated with that uh well i'm just telling you what i saw and men in italy walked down the street together holding each other's hand and if you if you watch the movie closely near the beginning at bilbo baggins 110th or 111th birthday sam was really nervous to go up and talk to the ladies or the woman so he needed like an extra thing of beer and how to be thrown into it that's just saying that's straight like gays are great at talking to women because they have like women brain wait hold on not always a lot of what so why why would a gay dude be nervous about talking to women what's he worried is gonna happen a lot of dudes are that's a that's so cliche it's a shtick they use in the movie that men are nervous of talking to women only only a certain subset of men are nervous not nervous to talk to mary and pippen hey i will tell you that if you go watch uh top gun the original like go watch that for homoerotic you're gonna make you're gonna make top gun gay for charlie now too are you ruining every going to ruin Top Gun for all of us? I mean, Top Gun is objectively homoerotic.
Andrew, you are putting this conversation in the danger zone. You are on a highway to the danger zone right now.
This is not good. I'm telling you, there is a reason why there's a lot of rumors flowing around about the lead in that film, Tom Cruise i'm just saying that what else what else are you gonna ruin for me the original 1980s top gun is the most homoerotic movie ever created it's a fact you're just gonna come in every every every week it's gonna be one of you guys is gonna assert another movie is gay you're gonna be like i mean star wars is gay the godfather is it was really kind of like it wasn't really the five families it was kind of like a gay conclave that was running inner italian mafia you're gonna be like the good the bad and the ugly gay you're gonna every no no no citizen king gay citizen gay no it's not under every sublime.
Rosebud was not actually his sled growing up. Rosebud was a secret lover that he had during college.
Charlie, don't look up the slang term. Don't look up slang terms for that word.
That's all I'm going to say. Clarence.
Oh, man. You can't touch.
You cannot touch. It's a wonderful life.
Okay, you cannot hold on i mean top gun is like this is not me breaking news everybody knows top gun's homo no i just googled it he's right you're gonna say it's gay yeah you're gonna say that like red dawn is gay because uh look at this charlie sheen and and what's his name they like are holding each other on that bench after like getting shot at the end and look at this. Charlie Sheen and what's-his-name, they are holding each other on that bench

after getting shot at the end.

Look at this.

Esquire magazine.

The Top Gun volleyball scene is not homo-riding.

That's the new one.

It is homosexual.

That's the new one.

No, that's the original one.

That's the new one.

To have watched all this unfold on the big screen.

Yeah.

I forgot there was an original volleyball one. I thought there was only the new one one yeah no they brought it back because it was so popular in the first one uh yeah well a lot i i googled the the gayest movies that are explicitly gay and also on there is uh wizard of oz oh that that's like that's a different one where whether that movie is gay or not gay people are are obsessed with Wizard of Oz because gay men love Judy Garland, I guess.
The more you know. I also think that there's that connection, the same connection with Lord of the Rings as you have the small people.
If you look up gay icons, I think Judy Garland is literally the first result. It's kind of kind of strange oh man we're gonna this is getting way too deep into the lore we should probably we should probably hit the evac button to the next topic before every it'll turn out everything everything is gay this is why people pay the big bucks hold on hold on i'm i'm this is top 10 macho blockbusters with hidden homoeroticism number 10 is ravenous from 1999 i've never heard of that uh 300 is number nine number eight top gun 1986 what are you talking about number seven come on yeah well because it's all these dudes running around yeah it's called like dudes who are like murdering other dudes yeah all right a nightmare on elm street freddy's revenge from 1985 tango and cash 1989 x-men first class 2011 yeah x-men's kind of gay we're corrupt in the audience yoma 63 i feel like i'm being corrupted i never saw gayness in top ben you guys are this is gonna mess you're destroying our audience ben hurd 1959 i could see that fight club 1998 nine oh but yeah fight about fight club fight cups kind of gay yeah yeah fight club i have not actually seen the fight club movie i think i'm the only person born in my year to have not seen it that's a perfect example of a a movie that was that was directed at men that men like boys were supposed to like that had severe gay undertones for sure yeah i read the book where is a gay undertone because they're like they're they need like camaraderie that's just like what a gang is like a you know i just i don't know if i agree with this at all no there's a there's a i actually because i got into the after I was reading because we were talking about gay movies because this is how this came up and I got to Lord of the Rings.
This was one of the ones – the Reddit threads I read was all about how Fight Club has all these – it's tons of undertones throughout. It was like planting in boys' minds all in the 2000s or 90s or whenever it came out

man well now we've probably ruined everybody's night djt 2020 suggests that just all acting in fiction is gay which was kind of what the that is like the true classical take on it you know the ancient romans considered actors the equivalent of prostitutes basically Maybe we need to bring that back

Well I mean if we go

Far enough back to the greeks it was only male actors right so uh that would probably attract a certain type of male even back then oh dear all right all right yeah we need to hit the eject button all right do you guys want to first we'll do an ad but do you guys want to talk about banning banning things on the subway that'll be fun yeah let me do rumble cloud because i'm actually on i'm on i'm on team no speakers here and i'll explain are you tired of getting a surprise when you see your cloud services bill every month well our friends at rumble have done it again the new rumble cloud are coming this spring. Rumble has built the cloud for the parallel economy.
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because it's france but base alert is coming in france uh the french assembly has just passed a bill and it is going to ban repeat incivilities on public transport and so they're they're cracking down on uncivil behavior on the nation's buses and trains which include as possible examples listening to music without using headphones carrying on a phone conversation on speakerphone rather than sticking it up to your ear so people can't hear the other end of it. In fact, they might even, I've seen different interpretations.

I think in one version they're even suggesting it could just ban having a phone conversation if you're not in like the, like if you're on the train rather than on like a platform or something. Also, they're going to ban putting your feet onto the seat opposite you when you have like a four pack like that.
and they're also going to ban

handing out tracks to people

on the subway platform like

the Jehovah's witnesses manuals and stuff and so france is cracking down france is cracking down on annoying behavior on the train so do we have strong thoughts about this everybody does america need the authoritarian crackdown on people listening to music without headphones and why is the answer yes i have thoughts so when you have thought yeah andrew you go first no i want to hear the argument as to why the government should be involved in this okay so i i'm not saying that the government should be involved in it which public transport makes it makes it a bigger issue. But I will tell you that I am very in favor of getting rid of people listening to speakers or movies without headphones on planes, which is a private company.
So I have run into this a lot where people just start talking on phones and they start playing clips from social media and I'll be sitting right next to them and I'm just like what's happening were you raised in a barn I find this completely rude I don't know why this is something that needs to be even discussed you should know better you're you know a grown adult that is apparently capable enough to buy a plane ticket please turn that off put some headphones in whatever you got to do so i'm i'm i'm pro direction and by the way as conservatives modern conservatives we are in favor of using government power when it suits the common good uh you know i think sometimes we can get ourselves caught in an ideological trap about freedom it's just like all freedom is good well i don't want to put poison in my hamburgersers at McDonald's. So I don't know.
There is a role for this. I don't know that I have an answer as far as public transport, but I will say at the very little, at the very minimum, it is extraordinarily rude.
And these people deserve to be mocked, scorned and heaped abuse on publicly. So I go for a lot of walks and I take my kids for walks, especially the more newborn ones.
And I never use headphones. I just listen to my audio books just straight out of the phone.
So is that, should that be regulated? If I'm going for a walk on a sidewalk or I'm walking around, first of all, I don't like the headphones. Number two, I think your pods are actually really dangerous and bad for you.
That's a whole separate topic and different issue.

But I guess on an airplane, I suppose. But hold on.
If you also have headphones in, then how does it affect you if somebody else doesn't have headphones in? So, Blake, what is your argument here? So I don't know if any of you guys have been regular bus riders. But when I was in was in dc i would actually take the public bus into uh up to union state or not so to union station i would take it to the pentagon and then get on the train and the answer for why it would affect you even if you have headphones is charlie you would be amazed at how loud some people play music or carry on their phone conversations on their phone and so if you really want to be honest honest, I think this is a real thing is the reason it might be a good idea to actually have a government, to be allowed to crack down on something like that is someone who listens very loudly to music on their phone or on some other device on a bus, on a train, actually probably it's actually a probably big red flashing warning sign that they have like some anti-social tendency that's going to explode because if you are gonna like stab you yeah exactly like you know it's sort of it's like broken windows theory applied to like the guy who's gonna shove someone in front of a subway train it's like the guy who he like there are people who will play loud music on a subway basically so it's like they're waiting for someone to ask them to turn it down so they can snap at them or it's a way of asserting dominance over other people by making them by making things unpleasant for them for charlie's case i think if you're outdoors if you're in if you're walking on the sidewalk i don't think that matters as much because i mean you can have a literal outdoor you know concert in the park you can put on a play in the park and so you listening to an audiobook is you know not as hardly as bad as any of those things so if you're just out on the sidewalk i think it's fine but we definitely have a pattern of people being extremely loud in the enclosed space of public transport.

And yes, we have video of it.

How about it looks like we have a couple watching a movie at full volume on a plane.

Let's play 195.

Okay, that's outrageous. All Alright, you won me over.
Oh, that's... Yeah, but you know what this is? So, let me...
I think we can pull it down. Oh, now that's...
So loud. So loud.
So loud. Just staring back at him, being mugging.
No, it's fine. It's just hilarious.
No, it's not fine. Don't wuss out.
So here's what this is. And actually, Apple has fixed this.
So if you're a couple on a plane, because I've run into this with my wife, where one of us has to put one headphone in, and the other puts the other headphone in, so you can both watch the same thing as you're sitting next to each other on a flight now apple lets you connect two different bluetooth or bluetooth headphone devices it's a it's a innovation that i appreciate but here here's so that so that i kind of understand but it's still there's no excuse but here's what i think if you got like a 90 10 issue that like 90 of normal americans would agree that's extraordinarily rude to watch a phone on full volume in the plane while people are trying to sleep or have conversations or whatever you should be able to regulate that i have no problem with that i agree and and here's the thing if you're not going to do that if they're free to do that and we don't pass a law then we should be free to approach that person, and if it gets violent, to have no liability on us. No.
I think as long as you can walk in public spaces, then I'm good. I like LucasMP47 who says, riding the bus, I loved it when people had private phone conversations on speakerphone.
I would chime in and make them very uncomfortable. I'm gonna tell you i i listen i i get so annoyed because when i get on a plane i like to sleep the entire time i try to go to sleep before it takes off and wake up when it like literally the plane's landing i that's the best way to fly because i just i hate just sitting there amongst myself because i'm a pacer and I need to walk around and, and talk and do all that stuff.

It is so annoying when people are loud in any kind of way. But what about people that smell there? I mean, I'm telling you the smell issue is that's worse.
It's worse to me. Yeah.
I've been in this situation one time where literally this woman who probably hadn't bathed and it seemed like weeks sat down next to me with a cat but that was like in a bag this right next to me and they like they were like literally sat her right next to me and i was like i thought i was gonna die it was like a four-hour flight was there it was the worst smell i've ever smell my entire life and i don't even i was you're stuck it's like terrorism it's it's civic terrorism not unlike what we've seen here in maricopa county so would you say the cat was out of the bag it was i couldn't tell if it was the cat or the woman or a combination of both but i'm telling you it was like pig pen like you could almost see it in the air and to me that's just like and that's the same conversation that they were talking about people are overweight they're splitting over spilling over we had the other ones with feet people like putting their bare feet out i discovered we have that video play the ball video can we do that as b-roll the person shaving their like feet calluses well oh i saw one of those pictures. Oh, my.

I'm sorry, but you're off the plane,

and you get handcuffed when we get to the next destination if we're over halfway.

Gitmo.

That's beyond the pale.

You have no common courtesy.

That person should be put on a no-fly list.

Well, I found out today that there are airlines that if you pull out those your bear dogs they will kick you off they'll permanently ban you from the airline what i support this delta and spirit and i actually hate spirit will ban you for that i can't believe it i can't believe spirit is spirit will ban you for anything. Spirit like encourages you to fight with people.

I'm surprised that they ban you for having to feed out. So Charlie, Charlie, I want to I want to check my my my thought process here with, you know, back with your your your libertarian leaning early days.
I think that this is completely this makes complete sense. Like we are, we, we, we do not need to be afraid to use power when we have a overwhelmingly like positive 90, 10 issue.
Yeah. Maybe there's some like doctrinaire conservative ideas that we're maybe crossing the line here, but like, this is just common courtesy.
We talk about this, like, you know, with bullying, how like, you know know we argued back and forth whether or not

bullying had some upsides because it's become such a feminized like weak culture like i feel like this person needs to be bullied this person like with the shaving their foot on the plane obviously has had a lack of bullying and now i got it yeah point received Got it. Jeez.
The thing about bullying is if you, when you can bully someone doing something, you're able to do through sheer social sanction. You're able to do something through sheer social sanction instead of needing a law to do it.
No. So it's less punitive than when you need the state to come in swinging.
Wait, you were just arguing with me, Blake. I put in the chat like a few weeks ago, I said that part of the reason why society's so screwed up is because we've targeted bullying.
No, but people have a bad, warped idea of what a bully is because they watch too many movies, and so they just watch things where they think a bully is like a guy who just stuffs someone in a locker, and then they decided that's based and we need more of it. No, no.
We need social punishment of genuinely bad behavior instead of what we have now which is social punishment of actually like pro-social behavior now nowadays you mainly get bullied if you like call the cops on someone who you you would get bullied and like lose your job if you tried to argue against someone doing that at least if they fell into one of you know 18 discrete protected categories on the lib hierarchy by the way while we're doing thought crimes related to airports you know what we really need a jihad against what's that people abusing the wheelchairs do you guys know about this so a ton of a ton of airports a ton of airports will basically if you're not not mobile or not limited mobility, they'll basically provide you a wheelchair and they'll wheel you priority through security. And you can get on your own plane early as like a priority access.
Okay, hold on. And people abuse the crap out of this.
And I've seen it. They totally do.
Once you start looking for it, you see it everywhere. You will see people wheeled up to the security line they'll pop up limber as ever scamper through and you'll see a family you'll see three or four people you'll see two generations of a family you see all in the freaking wheelchairs no and every dog you see on the airplane too is not like a service dog it's just somebody who's like i'm gonna call it a service dog and i got my service license or whatever you have to do sort of certification uh i can't stand that because i it's all a con because everybody's too like this is why i think we need to bring up bring back bullying and like social policing and all the things because like there was a time and place where some a-hole tried to bring their dog on a plane that like you know the guy would have looked over to the dog and been like sorry i'm not gonna i'm not gonna put up with that now listen i like dogs as much the next guy but like it's just gotten out of hand it's gotten out of hand like put the dog down in the uh in the can't they do that like they do that with horses i know they ship horses like overseas and they have like a cargo bin for the the horse you can literally put a horse on like a 747 they have a place to put it if you're trying to ship your horse overseas i think that's what we need to do with dogs most of the time this whole thing where like your dog gets is like beware you know underneath the seat in front of you is crazy uh because some of these people bring in like labradors and uh i was on a plane where there was a Rottweiler.
Luckily, it was not in my my my three seat row. It was like across the aisle.
But there was a Rottweiler down on the bottom of the seat. So that's my rant.
Yeah. Now, they have cracked down on that, though.
They've really limited because it got like so, so crazy out of control with so many dogs. Now you can only have like certain ones in a certain way and they have to have like way more justification.
They can't just have like whatever it was. What about on the subway? What about like public transit? Do you know this? I haven't taken a subway in long enough that I don't, I don't even know.
I think it's like a free for all on a lot of these. Wait, so hold on.
I was distracted. The subways and the trains that the big, the big issue isn't this.
The subways I think are more packed and I think they have more rules in the big cities. The real issue that most of our listeners probably have to encounter are the useless light rail that they've been putting in all these cities.
Like, so they have trolleys and light rails that nobody uses except for homeless people oh it was really great they had one in norfolk uh virginia where it was like only two stops and then it was originally free and then they had some of the campaigners were like you guys please add a fee to ride this because it's just it was just 100 it's just a roving homeless shelter uh no that's they just go they just sit on the the training it just goes around the city all day long in most of the cities and they're just hitting they're just doing drugs like in the corner peeing in the corner of the like legit like just like defecating and peeing on the trains and of course like they have dogs and animals and you know there's all sorts of craziness happening. Fights, people stealing stuff from people.
So no, nobody wants to ride it. So they spend literally like tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars installing these things on all the cities.
It's such a farce and nobody actually manages it. It's not managed because nobody rides it and nobody cares.
It's terrible. All right, Eric1986 says, we used to have dogs and baggage under the plane.
Thank you, Eric1986. That's what I thought.
I remember that from movies and stuff. Before we forget it, we have a special question for Charlie if he has any inside information.
Ruron donated $10 and asked, when you think brent bozell will be confirmed by the senate so carrie lake can finally be confirmed as director of voice of america i don't know if we have any inside lore on that uh i definitely know democrats have decided two months two months all right that's not so bad but democrats are definitely going maximal clogging of everything uh so what what's the uh what what do you think the uh the passage rate's going to be now from this this after cash charlie do you think most are going to fly through or what who do you think is the next big battle i think so um i think there will be a fight for some of these undersecretaries in the Department of Defense. I don't think it'll be a big fight, but I think that even though they got Hegseth in, there are some people that are against the neoconservative dogma that might be a fight.
There's been some rumbling about people like Bridge Colby, who's amazing, by the way, and some of those other ones. So keep an eye on on that that have very important jobs in the department of defense uh and then cash should be the really big one the last big one and i think he's gonna i think he's gonna sail through but tulsi and bobby were the big big big ones tulsi bobby hegseth were the the true change makers it's incredible charlie hold on what do you what do you think the proper solution is for public transit? So I think you agree on the plane, but what do you think about public transit and headphone listening, dogs, all the different ways people can game it? I'm with the French on this.
I think they're right. Wow.
So if anybody has any doubts that Charlie is no longer libertarian leaning from like 2018 like yeah but it's not a liberty it affects other people yeah yeah it's it's you shall it's the non-aggression principle which is you can do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't harm somebody else so yeah definitionally if you're listening to a movie on a plane you're harming somebody else no one's you can't listen to the movie. You just have to do it in a way that doesn't impact the livelihood or the journey, in that case, of the people around you.
Well, and the true libertarian viewpoint here is, again, create institutions where you don't have to be crammed on top of each other. And this is also a reminder with like airports and airplanes is that airplanes used to be a lot more spacious.
Like the, the advent of, you know, the, the consolidation of all the airlines, I believe has led to more cramped, less luxurious travel, travel. Like I wish I would have lived in a time period when travel was was luxurious when it was like you dressed up i think travel is still luxurious if you are like a rich person who pays a lot of money no you cannot look at an airline today like a plane and see it like there's no one that dresses up intentionally for the flight and this is the other thing well this goes back to the tattoo thing people just don't dress up in general like you used to dress up to go outside a lot of the time you know you look at a clip of men out in the street in 1925 and they will be much better dressed than today oh yeah but people like you was it was like a thing to be seen it was like such a it was such a a place and then the airlines treated you so much better too i mean think about all of the stewardesses like it was like an entire cultural revolution that happened in america and they've got like they've gone so far away from that that i think just the lower quality of uh of our airlines and the consolidation and making money you know it's an interesting thing i can't remember if we did a thought crime on this or not but typically and traditionally the dogma is that mass deregulation raises the quality uh airlines is the opposite actually uh we teddy ted kennedy led a mass deregulation crusade of the airlines in the 1980s and it resulted in worse air travel more delays a worse experience and not even better prices that's the thing is that there was kind of an advent of cheaper airfare and now that window has closed through mass consolidation of and mass regulation and look that's probably pan am which my grandfather actually helped run pan am way back in in the day.
And look, I mean, that was before Teddy Kennedy decided to just wreck it all. And if you ask anybody over the age of 60, do they look fondly back on how airfare used to be? I mean, just airlines used to be.
I mean, it's like they're talking about Narnia. Sorry charlie i'm gonna call you on this one they actually did get cheaper uh no but not but what charlie's saying the prices have come back up because of consolidation well prices i mean they they go up and down and also like gas has gotten more expensive of course so no this is a good point blake so let me ask let me ask somebody a question here so would you rather pay let just say, $700 for a ticket for that experience or $300 for the current experience? That's a legitimate question from L.A.
to New York. I would pay $1,000 to not have some cat on me.
Yeah, but how much do you make in a year, Charlie? Or foot scrapings. Yes, of course I have the money.
But your money. I also won't.
I don't spend money on stupid stuff. So I'm just saying, even in early days of the career, I would put money towards.
Look at this. That's Blake.
That's very supportive of this. That's out of control.
That is Blake. That's actually a live...
That was a video of Blake on his way back from the inauguration. The great achievement of America is that we provided prosperity to all, not to an ennobled few, not to an elite few.
We are the country of the Model T. We are the country of the washing machine.
Blake, time out. Blake is paid by Spirit Airlines.
Confirmed. No, but Charlie's point is really good because the consolidation, the monopolization that came through deregulation, and this is the same with the big banks, has created an inferior product.
When you have more airlines, you can have Blake's option, like a lot more spirits, and you can have a more you know pan am i think the truth is and we don't have we're now we have all the same air we're gonna show for this because we're gonna make it happen the number one thing that's made air travel worse is not airline deregulation it's the tsa that that is by far the worst part of flying is you have to get in your cattle car line to go through security i disagree and then go mean, it's all over. It's not the worst part.
That sucks. I think we've done this to ourselves.
I think I'm being targeted by the government. Every time I go through, the body scanner says I have something, I'm carrying something in my crotch region.
Stop doing that. I'm not.
I'm never doing it, and they have to pat me down literally with the back of their hand on my crotch. Are you trying to humblebrag? Where you're like, yeah.
Every time. No, I think I'm being...
The metal detectors say there's's a huge mass charlie's laughing but he knows i'm being like picked out and bullied by the government i'm not telling you every time i go he's been on the tulsi gabbard list for a while so hold on the the safe skies list hey put up b-roll 21 211 okay like this i think this is not the point it's not what we're

talking about yes no but blake you're wrong it is not that tsa has made it less luxurious or worse

we've done this to ourselves and this this this is a little fashion evolution i think is is key

like we used to have some standards people used to and now you go on airlines and it's like you're

sitting next to somebody in their freaking pjs watching a phone with the speaker on no headphones

Thank you. key like we used to have some standards people used to and now you go on airlines and it's like you're sitting next to somebody in their freaking pjs watching a phone with the speaker on no headphones and they smell and they got wheeled in on a wheelchair that they didn't need i mean the whole thing is ridiculous like the whole experience is ridiculous the trash food sucks the food sucks expired diet coke.
And you get coffee that is indistinguishable from jet fuel.

And you might get peanuts.

And, like, my favorite, I mean, again, I have millions of miles of flying, right?

Million mile club in America.

Two million miles in America.

A million with United.

A million with Delta.

And I always loved when I was flying American where they would act as if,

Mr. Kirk, thank you so much for being concierge key and for being a two million mile flyer.
Would you like a cheese tray? Yeah. Yes.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
I actually would cherish the cheese tray. Yes.
Because in this sea of scum, I would have a slice of cheddar cheese. Do you have the tray in your home? likeavor.
Savor, not save. Savor.
And then I would get my jet fuel coffee, my jet fuel coffee, and I thought that was the greatest thing ever. And then I look at this Pan Am experience, and we've been propagandized to believe.
I mean, look at this. No, it's like prison food.
Blake thought that this was a bad part of America. No, Charlie's right.
It's like prison food. You're like a prisoner on a plane.
When I was growing up. The crazier part that we haven't even touched on, they can keep you trapped in that plane for like seven hours or something.
Like if I've been one time. Totally.
One time. Some light goes on in the bathroom and you can't get off the.
Don't even give me. I was on one flight one time.
It's only happened to me one time where they had no food on the plane and something happened. We got stuck on the tarmac for like legit seven.
Like it was it was like a seven hour situation. Trump's got to change that regulation.
It's not an act of Congress. They should do maximum to three hour waits.
Then you got to go back to the gate. But to your point, point charlie like real food it's like it's like a prison like if you're stuck on a plane even for four or five hours and they're serving you like that dog food that they serve you now it is terrible it is terrible and that and the other thing is this is a real thought crimey thing that we really haven't gotten to if you travel in foreign countries they still take pride in the people that they hire like there's in the people that you're just saying that in other countries they hire hot chicks they do all the flight attendants they hide and we have that we have like you know that was battle that was the old pan am way that was the old way yeah no i like that i'm okay with that we can use dei to re-engine getting rid of dei to by the way the the the average the average the average flight attendant could be in lord of the Rings.
Yes, the average flight attendant is definitely on that Peter Jackson. Looks Gandalf.
Some of them are Gandalf-y. Some of them are very Gandalf-y.
Long beards. You guys are hating on air travel.
But like I said, America is the country. Some of these hobbits are still fixing their feet in the aisle.
Yeah, they're like. No, okay.
So here's my advice to how we fix air travel. It's very simple and everyone loves it.
You charge 25% more and you get rid of middle seats. And you make the whole cabin first class.
Yes. A whole first class airline.
Yes. But that's JSX, and it works really well.

And JSX is very profitable, and they sell out,

and it's all regional out here west.

If you'll know JSX, it's amazing.

You can fly from Scottsdale to Vegas or Scottsdale to LA.

And, yeah, you'd have to charge, like, 33% more.

I think there's a huge market for that.

And then, by the way, if you want to go be treated like a piece of cattle

to go fly from Phoenix to Tampa, Vaya Cond dios fine great you can you can take the bus that's what it's become it's a bus and it's an insult because you fly on these other european airlines or you know fly ll and all of a sudden they have like pride and they love their airline it's like a representation just about it. Think about if you're from Europe or the Middle East

and you're flying something called American Airlines.

American Airlines.

So it has the name of our country.

By the way, you fly the Emirates.

You fly Turkish Airlines.

You fly, you know, Qatar Airways.

They have like pride in their nation

and they're all thin and they're cut

and they know what's going on and they love their country and they're a representation. And you fly American Airlines and it is the sloppiest, slovenly.
Nobody cares. The flight attendants won't even look you in the eye.
It's like they're annoyed that you're there. I think it's a bad representation of the country.
It totally is. and now and in general too and if you've been to the airport in qatar or dubai in doha in doha yeah in doha i'm wondering about charlie's math here because he was saying you can get jsx for 30 more i'm looking i'm looking it up right now scottsdale to dallas jsx 360 i can get a flight i could go up to phoenix sky harbor and i could fly round trip to dallas and back 55 55 55 i'm sorry i don't care if the experience sucks frontier spirit but what i don't airline frontier and spirit 55 well hold on that's not an airline No, no, no, no, no, no.
That's Amtrak in the air. No, no, no.
Charlie, if you don't think it's amazing... If you're flying Spirit, you might leave that week.
Charlie, if you don't think it's amazing that I can get into an aluminum tube, accelerate it to 700 miles an hour, or whatever they go, 500 miles an hour, and go to Dallas and do it all again to come back for $55. You're dodging Charlie's argument.
You are anti-American. No, Charlie's argument.
This is what the Wright brothers died for. Hold on, no, no, no.
He's about American Airlines. No, Blake doesn't understand.
No, Spirit Airlines charges you for more than one bag. So you only get one carry-on.
The second one is another $50. So don't have a's a hundred bucks they charge you for water okay so now so how many carry-ons do you need they charge you for water well don't get water why are you going to the palace i think they charge you for a backpack you can't even bring in like how many supplies of toilet paper you can't spare a square no they charge you for everything you can't spare a square and by the way the clientele of them do.
Toilet paper. You can't spare a square.
No, they charge you for everything. You can't spare a square.
And by the way, the clientele of Spirit Airlines is middle class. I was straight up molested on Spirit Airlines.
No. In my first, I'm telling you, I actually think every movie is gay now.
This is back in the early days of Turning Point. We would almost, Charlie remembers this, we would book everybody on Spirit.
we were we're cost saving all the time until we realized how unsafe it was probably on that flight i got on this flight it was like a midnight flight to chicago and it was i i i got on this flight i'm in middle seat this woman sits down next to me who's drunker than any drunk person i've ever seen on an airline she should not have been flying they should not have let her on the plane somehow gets on the plane i'm in a jacket because you can't check anything right because it's spirit so i'm literally wearing like a winter coat to to chicago i wake up and this woman has her arms wrapped around me and like cuddling me the entire life and now you're married i was married at the time I woke up and I had to push her off me. This was like spirit.
She's like, ah, she's all, this is the type of ride that you have to selectively choose on spirit. Charlie's point about American airlines is that there's a representation issue that we have here.
And it's not just American. It's all the big airlines and we have no standards whatsoever and you go from riding you know the beautiful airport in qatar in doha that's literally like backlit marble counters when they check your passport to america and it's like literally they give you the bird when you walk on and like put out a cigarette that is like nothing why are you here the airports of america are still just as greasy even if you're flying first class like no i'm still pretty yeah but you're not stuck in one place seated the whole time i i chart i listen i have not heard an idea like this much in a long time we need to make american air travel great again all right none of it like yes there's got to be some we got to bring this whole industry in and by the way the the amount of flights that i've flown in the last year that have been delayed because of mechanical failure or because of some light went on and they got to process the paperwork and they got to bring so and so in from this other outside hangar and then it's like two and a half hours later you're sitting there waiting for the flight to take off and you don't even know if it's going to take off and you're like wrestling with do i try and book on another airline or i'm sick of this some we got to have some standards here and charlie's absolutely right this needs to be uh remedied i think trump would get behind this charlie i think trump would totally agree with all these uh i hope so too because i think he gets it he's the he's the guy who's like saying our airports need to be a better representation he owned he had trump air for a while he literally had trump air um but to your point i i mean i've the most recent foreign flight i think i took it was on korean air and these women were like on top of it.
They were making sure you had everything you needed, when you needed it. I mean, it was a little bit robotic, but it was impressive.
And American Airlines or Delta or whatever's flying abroad, we need to be better representations of the American culture. Well, that's the problem, too, is everyone already like everyone internationally already thinks we're slobs and disgusting.
And then they fly on United or American. And then they're like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what I expect.
And I always feel that way, too. I'm always kind of embarrassed when I get to an American airport after international travel.
Because I'm like, if I showed up here, if I spent all that money to come to California in my head head and like i show up to lax which is literally a third world country it's like it's basically like going to it's a disgusting thing oh yeah it's char i'll never forget one of the funniest moments of my life was charlie kirk at lax we got we had like a crazy uber situation and it was, we got like hijacked to Uber. It was like crazy, but it's like a third world country.
I, I'm embarrassed that like we have these awful airlines. They, we show up, the airports are awful.
It's a, it's horribly run. And then you step outside, like in California, for example, and like, that's their first impression ofica is like the ghetto of california which is disgusting and it's just we have to fix all of it and a lot of countries work really hard where it's like your first impression is at the airport it's on the plane it's stepping outside of the airport and if we don't fix that i mean we're it's not gonna help so like that why not now you know this whole renaissance on architecture why not also focus on air travel well we have to demand change when we have power and i'm just saying vibe ships vibe shift starts with us i'll never forget charlie you remember when tucker did this when he went to hungary and he was like the architecture was so beautiful and that started this this like i would say kind of renaissance within conservative intellectual circles saying yeah you know what you're right we need to get our architecture game back on and i think i think this is going to filter through where we demand excellence out of our own countrymen and our own industries again i think it's a good thing it's a positive conversation i endorse all right we got about 10 minutes here do you want to uh blake tell us why america's super healthy oh what we're gonna do is uh i think our fun conversation could be so rfk junior got through today he's now hhs secretary so i thought we could discuss what should our actual top priorities be for making america healthy again because i thought that could spark a good debate because i'm always in disagreement with everyone about what our health issues are and to commemorate rfk getting confirmed uh maybe you've seen me waving this uh hiroshima carp mug around i brought in uh over the holidays uh the seven up company whoever makes them i think they're made by dr pepper anyway they made a sh Temple flavored 7-Up variety.
And there is no way that this soda is going to be legal under RFK's regime. Because I think the second most common ingredient in it is Red 40.
So I'm going to crack this one open to celebrate it. It stains everything I put it in.
Wait, Red 40's in that? Red something. Let me see.
I just bought that this last week for the super bowl for my kids red 40 red 40s all over this it's gonna stain the crap out of this mug it's great i i got it stronger i mean you're basically like how is this different than you being like a crackhead being like bragging about i mean it's you're putting poison into your body okay i guess you're for like legalizing all

drugs for kids it's great stuff it's very delicious i recommend it no red i i was pulling up all the red 40 if and this is the thing so rfk has to this is the this is the scalp that rfk has to get in the first month in order to be successful is Red 40. I really believe that.
If he knocks out Red 40... Didn't we already do that? What? Hold on.
Didn't we already do something with Red 40? I don't think it's... No, I think we just talked about it.
Biden did something. Yeah, at the end of Biden's term, he tried to take it.
Now we have to protect Red 40 because Red 40 because that's the matter. It's not.
He's drinking it right now. Literally, he went and just got that 7-Up, and he's literally drinking it.
It's Red 40 still around. Yeah, Red 40 is all over this one.
But Red 40, asthma, allergies, cancer, brain damage, attention deficit, hyperactivity, it's all been linked. It's like Red 40 is probably the base.
Allegedly. if rfk actually gets this thing done and gets okay so so no i i agree tyler so blake why don't you uninterruptedly tell us why america is so sick so lethargic so suicidal so overweight so anxious so depressed you don't think it's any of the maha stuff so the the burden is on you because the data is objective.
All those things are happening. Why? Honestly, if I had to guess, if you were to say, pick one big thing that's like driving huge across the board declines in health outcomes, if I had to guess, I think it would turn out to be plastics.
I think my, like plastics, That's super Maha! But it's not really really it's not nearly as trendy to worry about plastics as it is to worry about maha no but like the thing about it is like maha is way more obsessed with like the vaccines with like the secret cheat codes in the food and all of that and i actually think like the boring answer is the fact that plastic is totally omnipresent in everything.

Way more, it's almost a despair inducing because what are you going to do?

Are we going to get rid of plastic?

Probably not.

We use it for everything.

And when you look at plastics, plastics leach into everything.

Microplastics get into your bloodstream. And we don't know exactly what it does, but we do know that there is some impact of plastics in your blood on certain hormonal processes.
So over time, it's screwing up some of our hormones. And the effects of plastic stuff are epigenetic.
They actually basically alter your gene expression in your body. And that can stack one generation after another.
So you get 10 up by the plastics that 10 is inherited by your kids you get another 10 and that could easily explain why so many things we see are accelerating like they're continuing over time like the reason i would always criticize people who say i mean i totally agree yeah like a lot of the stuff that people blame on like causing you know autism for example it doesn't necessarily make sense because it should be like a light switch where we did this and then it doubled overnight whereas stuff like allergies stuff like autism it's that it's just going up every single year on a pretty linear basis and for something like that to be happening i think you need some sort of constant environmental factor that's like shoving itself in and so it's probably not like seed oils where it's just a constant thing or or you know this or that shot that people have decided is to blame so i think it's pretty interesting like i think the best use of rfk is if we were to just go all out on let's fund as much study of this as we possibly can. Let's produce as much science as we possibly can.
As opposed to what I think a lot of people are tempted to do where they basically want to impulsively ban certain things. Or, you know, people want money for this or that thing.
Like there are people who are going to want to use Maha to just mean you can use Medicare or Medicaid to pay for like homeopathic medicine. And I think that would be a mistake.
I don't think we should use taxpayer dollars to buy flavored water for people, but it could happen. I am, I am a big homeopathy, but I think you should pay for it yourself.
I'm a believer that there's a lot more in the natural world that could help you than drugs. But Blake, one of the guiding principles of Maha is that there is an invisible environmental toxin that is doing something we don't quite know what.
So you're kind of in the thesis then with the plastic thing. I'm surprised you're kind of within the genre that there is an invisible force that is doing something to us.
We don't quite know what, but we have to figure out what that is. That is kind of the core premise of Maha.
Yeah, I'm not 100% alien to it. What I always worry about is there's a line that is attributed to G.K.
Chesterton. He didn't literally say it say it but we'll get behind it where it's like an atheist isn't someone who believes in uh nothing it's a person who believes in anything like once you become an atheist you'll just believe in anything and i worry that that is something that can happen with the health stuff in general it's like covid happened it was really disgraceful all the health experts acquitted themselves very badly for the most part.
And some people have reacted to that by going, they lied to us about that. So they're lying about everything.
And I don't trust the doctors. The only person I can trust is, you know, this, this like weird guy I found on the internet and all of that.
And I would encourage people to be more skeptical of that than they often are

because I think it can lead to unfortunate outcomes.

But I do think it's very real.

People are right to look at the way things are and say,

this isn't normal.

Like kids, they actually are not way less active today than they were 20 years ago,

yet they are fatter than they were 20 years ago yet they are fatter than they were 20 years ago they are more depressed than they were 20 years ago they are exhibiting weird medical problems we were looking at that article just today that the rate of uh kind of precocious cancers people getting cancer under 50 years old went way way up between 1990 and 2019 and if you're looking what's the obvious change that happens between 1990 and 2019 i'm not sure there is one and people are just are freaking out about it and i i think they're right to do that but i think the correct focus should be increase our level of knowledge as much as possible as opposed to we agree playing whack-a-mole where we decide oh actually like red 40 is the thing that's going to kill all of us so ban it immediately i mean if they want to i'm sure they will but i don't think it's that good it's gonna be the kill shot that makes us all healthy i gotta dash everybody rumble.cloud check it out right now thank you guys wonderful episode one of the best ones we've had in recent memory till next week keep on committing thought crimes talk to you soon thanks so much for listening everybody email us as always thought crimes. Talk to you soon.
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