Texas Democrats Run For The Hill
Texas Democrats are headed for the hills — or rather, headed for J.B. Pritzker's fat rolls. Charlie dissects the Democrats' latest hypocritical political stunt and explains wy they have zero grounds to complain about aggressive redistricting. Plus, there are 160 Trump nominees still lingering in the Senate, waiting for an up or down vote that never seems to come. Charlie speaks with Senator Markwayne Mullin to find out what the hold-up is and why it seems so unfixable.
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Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
I explain in great detail what's going on in Texas with the legislatures and lawmakers fleeing.
And then we have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen on breaking news out of the U.S.
Senate.
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There is a lot going on.
In Texas, we covered this story last week.
President Donald Trump is working with Governor Greg Abbott to redraw the congressional maps in Texas.
The new proposal would add up to five Republican-leaning districts ahead of the 2026 midterms, shifting power in the U.S.
House.
Now, the entire plan really hinges upon the idea that
Hispanics will continue to vote Republican.
This is all being done legally.
This is completely kosher.
And now the Democrats are starting starting to run away.
Why are they running away?
Well, Texas law requires two-thirds quorum, 100 of 150 members to conduct house business.
And therefore, they need at least 51 members to abstain.
Over 50 Democrats have traveled to Illinois and some to New York and Boston, making the minimum quorum impossible and stalling the vote.
Most have gathered thanks to the aid of
my least favorite person in American politics, Governor J.B.
Pritzker, who is giving them a little bit of air cover.
Now they're fleeing the state because in fact in most states the police can force a lawmaker to attend a legislative session.
So the only way to avoid being present is to flee the state entirely and therefore beyond their jurisdiction.
So the Democrats are fleeing and naturally, of course, to my home state of Illinois.
Well, at least we think they are.
Maybe they just got stuck by J.B.
Pritzker's irresistible gravitational pull.
Now, Illinois is quite a funny place to flee to.
This is how you know the Democrats have really lost a step.
Of all the states to flee to, you are going to flee to Illinois.
Illinois, which is
known for their ridiculous gerrymandering.
I know it because I grew up as a political campaign volunteer working in the districts in the suburbs of Chicago.
And I kid you not, where I grew up outside of Wheeling, Illinois, literally there would be carve-outs of little micro-neighborhoods of across the street would be Illinois' ninth congressional district, we would be in Illinois' 10th congressional district, and then literally on the stone throws away would be Illinois' 8th congressional district.
All kind of
weirdly conformed.
It was like a gender reassignment surgery met a congressional map.
So of all the places,
you look on screen, just some of the examples here.
It looks like a Jackson Pollock painting.
Look at the entire map.
Just random streaks of color across your screen.
That's where they're going to go to go fight gerrymandering.
Illinois is the worst offender of all the states across the country.
Again, just look at Illinois' 13th congressional district up on screen.
It's basically a 15-mile-wide strip connecting five different Democrat cities across 300 miles, from East St.
Louis through Springfield to Decatur to Urbana-Champaign.
The Chicago area is a massive mess.
And I know this.
I lived through it.
The lines snaking all across random districts.
Black district here, Hispanic district here.
Let's show up some of the other pictures on screen, guys, of the other maps.
So Democrats are howling that, there you go, in Illinois.
If you could zoom in on Cook County,
Illinois is the...
Wuhan Institute of Virology of gerrymandering.
They invented it and they brought it to the rest of the world.
Good old Mike Madigan.
Do you know who Mike Madigan is?
Oh, Mike Madigan was Illinois Speaker of the House.
I don't know if he's still alive, but he got arrested finally after nearly 50 years of naked corruption running the entire Illinois House.
Remember, we used to say Illinois is not broken, it's fixed.
A crook.
He would hold the power over the Illinois gerrymandering maps as a way to try to prevent Republicans from getting more representation.
Now, if you're a bit older, this might feel a little bit like: haven't I seen this movie before?
And it should.
Remember, back in 2003, Texas did another redistricting effort, and Democrats fled en masse to Oklahoma, then to New Mexico.
But of course, in essence, they had to come back.
In 2021, Texas Democrats fled again, trying to block election integrity laws.
They failed again.
This will be a failed effort.
And do you remember back in
2011,
Democrats fled Wisconsin when Scott Walker was governor
to go to Illinois.
In 2011, 14 Democrats and state senators fled Illinois to block a vote on Scott Walker's union reforms.
They had across state lines instead of facing a debate, and Scott Walker ended up winning.
This is Cook County.
Yeah,
that's the excerpts of Crook County.
Put that up, 294.
Does that make any sense to you, especially on the upper right-hand of your corner?
Look at those little slivers, the deformity of these districts.
There is no rhyme, no reason, no harmony.
There is nothing behind it except pure naked political power grabs.
So Illinois has the worst of all of it.
At first, when I saw this, I thought it was a flood map.
I thought it was like this is different parts of Cook County that have different flood thresholds.
So this is the state that is hosting the Texas Republicans.
And I got to give some credit to the Texas Republicans.
And let this be a message to Republicans across the country.
More of this, more hardball, more being willing to use political power to stop the Democrats from running roughshod over us.
More of this kind of energy.
When they come back to Texas, if they violated laws, arrest them, fill their vacant seats.
The main crux of this is something called coalition districts.
It's basically intersectionality weaponized to reduce Republican representation.
They combine minority groups to box out conservatives.
And again, put 294 up on screen.
On the upper right-hand of your screen, you see they'll do this and they'll kind of carve in.
So traditionally, DuPage County in the service of Chicago was very Republican.
So what they did, this was old Judy Biggert's congressional seat.
What they did after the 2010 census is they would configure enough of Chicago to go into DuPage to dilute representation.
Or how about Illinois' 10th congressional district, which used to be represented by Mark Kirk, who became senator, and then Bob Dold?
No, they had to give some of Illinois' 10th congressional district with some of Evanston.
You get the point.
They have to try and disfigure these districts in a way to dilute Republican voice and representation.
Four of Texas's congressional districts were unconstitutional, the Department of Justice warned a couple years ago.
Three, the 19th, the 18th, and the 33rd, they were unconstitutional coalition districts where black and Hispanic voters combined to form a majority.
The 29th, while a majority Hispanic, was also unconstitutional, the letter said.
It said, quote, it is well established, so-called coalition districts run afoul of the Voting Rights Act and the 14th Amendment, Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dillon wrote, threatening legal action if Texas didn't bring the districts into compliance.
Now, here's the funny part.
So the Department of Justice has called these coalition districts unconstitutional.
Five years ago, Democrats would have been thrilled with the new Texas map.
Can we put up the proposed Texas map?
Five years ago, Democrats would have been like, yes, this is a great map.
But do you know what changed?
Donald Trump moved the Hispanic vote 10 to 15 points.
So this new map actually gives more representation to Hispanics.
Now, it's a gamble.
This is a Texas gamble.
This will be known as the big old Texas gamble.
Win a big prize or lose everything.
It's a big roll of the dice.
It's the Texas gambit.
And you could tell because what it is, is more representation to Hispanics that voted very right-wing in 2024.
So be careful, Texas Republicans.
You have a little bit of caution.
You really have no choice choice but to do this.
But it is a gambit.
It's not Roxald.
Now, if Hispanics keep on going our direction, we could eliminate the Democrat Party in Texas for generations to come.
So Democrats are either fighting this because they think the theater helps them or they know it's a real problem.
And it's just pure theater.
That's why J.B.
Pritzker, he wants to run for president.
And J.B.
Pritzker has never ran for anything in his life.
So it'll be the first time the man has ever run when he runs for president.
It'll be quite a sight to see because he has never run ever.
The man has never ever had anything even more than a light brisk of a pace walk.
Man was born on third and thought he hit a triple.
He's a nepotistic slob that ruined my home state.
Besides that, he's a lovely person.
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So the Democrats are reacting predictably.
The extremely classy, very politely, let me just tell you right now: men out there, do not marry women like Jasmine Crockett.
Okay, just what that whole thing, just don't, just, just stay away.
She's just
big problems.
Just
the whole ensemble, whiny, yammering.
The whole way she presents herself, smug, terrible, nasty, cruel, wrong, dumb.
The whole operation, young men,
better for you to become a Catholic priest.
I'm just going to tell you right now, avoid that entire freight train because it is a coming.
The Jasmine Crockett shtick.
Why a lot of young men are checking out of the dating pool because young ladies say, I got to act like, I mean, they don't say they want to act like Jasmine Crockett.
But this whole thing she's got going here.
And apparently we're all Anglos now.
Okay, I guess.
It's a badge of honor.
I don't know.
She calls it.
There's no longer white.
You see, they're trying to change their vocabulary.
It's no longer white majority.
We're Anglo majorities.
Okay.
Yeah, I am a wasp.
What are you going to do about it, Jasmine Crockett?
Does that make me bad?
Does that make me racist?
Play cut 270.
Do what this legislature is consistently been found to be guilty of doing, which is to make sure that they can do an overemphasis of Anglo voices in this state.
Only 40% of this state is Anglo, yet somehow we have more than 60% of our seats that are elected by Anglo-majority districts.
As I said in 2021, as I argued against these maps, the math ain't mathin.
Okay, again, so first of all, this is just white hate, pure and simple, naked hate of the white race.
By the way, that's the connective tissue, right?
The Sidney Sweeney thing, the war on white people is so clear.
And I'm sorry, Jasmine Crockett, what do you have against white people so much?
You talk about them all the time.
All the time.
Play cut 272.
This is Josie Garcia trying to say that these seats are for blacks.
Play cut 272.
Do you know how many black seats there are in Congress for the entire state of Texas, ma'am?
No, ma'am, I don't.
I do not know if there is a black seat or two.
There are historically black serving seats, ma'am.
And of the five that there are that represent the entire state of Texas, of the 30 and plus, three of them were said to be dismantled.
So I'm just
curious.
Of the four seats that were identified, three of them were historically black seats.
One of them is a historically Latino seat.
You don't see the race in there.
No, ma'am, because I don't think a seat belongs to any race.
Okay, interesting.
First of all, that woman's got to stop chain smoking.
Her voice is completely destroyed, and it's very unattractive.
She smokes like three packs a day.
Again, what are we doing here?
The reason why young men are staying single hour?
I mean, how many more cuts can we play here?
First of all, young men don't like to take orders from women.
They definitely don't want to take orders from women like that.
That's
like supremely unattractive to men.
At the core of the Democrat Party is a coalition of resentment, envy, and hate.
None of this is racist.
In fact, this actually expands representation of Hispanics.
The entire project is actually about expanding voices to Hispanics that are now voting for Republican.
Oh, and by the way, just so we're clear, Jasmine Crockett's district, you're getting eliminated.
Sorry, you're going to have to go be an influencer.
Jasmine Crockett, what skill set does she have?
I think we all know.
Let's play another one.
This is her yelling that the maps are racist.
Okay.
anglo racism 271 i don't think that it's an accident that donald trump picked up the phone called down to texas told abbot what he was going to do and like a small ridiculous child he just fell in order i don't think any of that was an accident this is racist what they are doing
Give your life to Jesus, because I'm convinced in the seventh circle of hell, that is just played on a repeat.
It's just on total repeat.
The shrill, the yelling, the screaming, the yammering, the catawalling.
The great replacement of white people
is far more sinister than any redistricting project.
That is at the core of the Democrat project, at the core.
And Jasmine Crockett is just some circus act in that entire operation.
But it's serious.
You shouldn't take what she says seriously.
It's just a joke.
What she represents is very serious, which is the continued attempt to eliminate the white population in this country.
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Joining us now is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen from the great state of Oklahoma.
Senator, you tweeted out, quote, it's Saturday, August 2nd, and I'm still voting.
I'll stay in session.
We're looking at three options to clear the jam with POTUS.
Give us the latest on what is the jam, and is the Senate going to stay in session all of August?
Well,
President Trump actually
did a pivot on it.
He was done with it.
The reason why is
he got tired of negotiating with Chuck Schumer in bad faith and said, screw it.
I'm paraphrasing that word, by the way.
And late Saturday night, he said, I'm not going to be held host from.
I'm not going to deal with this.
We're going to work on changing the rules over August.
Send everybody home except those that are going to work on it.
So there's a group of us working on the rules change.
When we get back in September, we're going to propose it to the conference and
go straight to votes.
But there was a lot that took place.
And the three options really were one,
we strike a deal.
The President Trump really wanted to strike a deal because because it is very complicated to get to the recess appointments.
We can talk about that so we can break that down.
It gets a little wonky, but he wanted to get a deal.
He thought he had a deal.
We had 61 that are reported out of committee on the House or on the Senate floor ready to be voted that was bipartisan, meaning they came out of the committee with Democrat and Republican support.
He said, Let me clear the deck on that one.
We'll work with you on some other of your pet projects.
And then let's work on
a package that would get away from us having to confirm 1,200 people and clear the deck for 300 to 400 individuals that are really individuals we shouldn't be voting on to confirm.
At first, we were told by Angus King that they would accept it.
And then their price tag on that, because everything comes with the negotiating, they had 800 million in
funding that was being held up by FY25 appropriations.
That was part of kind of the rescission packages that was coming through.
In return, let the money go through.
We had tentatively said we would try doing something like that with President Trump negotiating.
I mean, President Trump for three days, Charlie was extremely engaged with negotiating.
Talked to him multiple times.
J.D.
Vance was involved in it.
Everybody was all hands on deck.
They came back with another offer.
President Trump didn't like it, but he said, well, let's negotiate.
As he was getting on the plane, he called me and he says,
hey, get this deal done.
let's do it and let's move on uh he says i've got nominees that are waiting that need to get paid and so we went to go back negotiate they came back three times and every time they kept dropping the number and raising the price to the point where president trump told him to go pounce in said forget it go tell tell schumer to pounce in i'm not negotiating you guys go home let's change the rules so that's where we ended up so so senator i'm not going to question the president's wisdom or judgment here nor yours but i'm going to i'm going to have to get a little bit deeper into this and i want you to further explain it.
Because, look, I'm not thrilled with this, and obviously Chuck Schumer is to blame, but there's 160 nominees lingering.
A term is only four years, and we're seven months into this one with huge chunks of the government unstaffed.
This is pure dysfunction.
And Senator, understand
my compassion to what you have to with this, but I think it's kind of outrageous.
We have to wait till September.
So walk me through this on a deeper level because waiting another 30 days to change the rules.
I mean, we have very important positions that need to happen now, very important ambassadorships.
Is it, did, did Chuck Schumer get what he wanted here by kind of blowing it all up and by delaying?
Make the case and explain for a bit, please.
So, the president, the president, right now, can already put these people in position.
They just can't hold the title, but they can do the job as long as the president has deemed them to do a special envoy, like for instance,
Steve Witcoff.
He can he can go ahead and put these people in position, but they're working uh essentially without pay.
So, if you go ahead and you do the recess appointments, like I know you've talked about, we've talked about, it's a much more complicated process of that because what it takes, it wasn't.
Correct, I'm not even getting into that.
Yeah, I'm not even getting into that.
Okay, so you got to chase that graphic.
So, so the so the recess appointments was going to cause a lot of complications.
So, to to to um for the for us to in, it was going to open the floor essentially for the Democrats to constantly take these votes.
Republicans were willing to do it.
100%, we were willing to do it.
It was going to take a vote of Rama for us to do it, essentially, because we were going to have to keep the floor occupied.
And in the meantime, they could continue to
put in these ridiculous votes that was going to make the Republicans take a vote on them.
The president didn't want those votes to be taken.
And so
the solution was, if we do go into recess, then the Democrats have a political play that they could play the entire month of August, which wouldn't move the needle at all.
Since these people can already do their job, they're just going to do it without pay.
By the way, if we do it underneath recess appointments, they're still going to do it without pay.
If we go back and we go ahead and change the rules, what happens at that point, we can start clearing the slate rather than having to go through a recess appointment over and over again.
Because remember, recess appointments appointments mean we got to recess for a minimum of 10 days.
If we can change the rules, then we continue to
move forward steadily and get all these people confirmed.
Now, talk real numbers.
This time in 2017, we only had 55
nominations confirmed for President Trump in 2017 versus today.
Right now, as we speak, we've already confirmed 136.
So we're way past double what President Trump had in 2017.
He's happy with where we're at.
We wouldn't have ever went,
we would have never made a motion to adjourn if President Trump didn't want us to.
Because I'm Tony Charlie, he was on the phone with us almost every other hour.
It was Lindsey Thune, or it was Lindsey Thune, Lindsey Graham,
Leader Thune, myself, Katie Britt, Eric Schmidt, and Jim Rich was all talking with the president multiple times a day for trying to negotiate.
No, I get that.
And Senator, I'm not trying to question the wisdom of the president here.
It just looks like the president just got so ticked off with Chuck Schumer, said, forget it, just threw up his hands.
Like,
I'm not going to negotiate with the terrorists.
And I understand that.
But that's the best thing that could happen.
He was willing to tell Chuck Schumer to go pound sand.
That's not the way normal politics works.
Normal politics is, as you know, negotiate, negotiate, negotiate, negotiate.
And then you get to a 50-50.
President Trump had a clear stopping point.
Chuck Schumer pushed pushed him too far, and President Trump was willing to tell him, go pound sand.
I'm not so desperate that I have to have these appointments.
I will work around you by appointing these people as a special envoy.
I'm not going to give you one single penny.
And because you've done this, now you're going to force us to go change the House rules or the Senate rules.
So when he comes back and says we're using a nuclear option, no, we're able to pin it on Schumer and say, no, because you have filibustered every single one of President Trump's nominees, which is unheard of.
It has never been taken place.
It's never happened in the history of the United States.
You have forced us to make this change.
So it gives President Trump all months to make the case to the American people that Chuck Schumer took the nuclear option.
And now we're going to make that, now we're going to make the rule change to make the Senate work more efficient, which is honestly the best outcome.
I would make the argument because we're doing the rule change, we can fix this for the long term.
Hold on.
So two things.
What will the rule change be?
And if I'm drawing on memory of some of our other conversations, doesn't the rule change require 60 votes or 67 or some goofy number?
Yeah, so
technically it used to require 67.
Chuck Schumer changed it when he was in office, and Mitch McConnell actually made a speech in 2017 and said, because you did this, you have forever changed the norms of the Senate.
And so Mitch McConnell was the one that warned Schumer for making the change.
He did make the change, and now it put us in this situation.
So now we can do 51.
And we can do a simple, now we'll have to overrule the parliamentarian, which it's fine.
We'll have the votes to overrule the parliamentarian.
Chuck Schumer did that prior to 2017.
So we will simply have to overrule the parliamentarian by a simple vote of 51, and then we can do the rule change at 51.
What the rules change would be, we have several options.
One,
if we got to look at the tier.
So outside the president's cabinet and outside of second-tier individuals and outside of judges.
So So
those would be still set at 30-hour debates.
Everybody else below that, we have two options.
Easiest option is that
we take the motion from a two-hour debate down to a 15-minute debate.
And we're able to stay in executive session.
all day.
What happens right now is after every vote, we go automatically back to legislative session and we have to go back into executive session, which requires us to have two two extra votes.
So every nominee takes four votes.
Each vote will take about 35 minutes to do, plus a two-hour debate.
So you got four hours plus on every person.
If we take away the executive calendar from the legislative calendar and have to go in and out, we can stay in it all day and we can just simply vote to in culture, 15-minute debate, vote.
The other option on that one, and so we go from four votes to two votes.
The other option on that one is to assume that
the nominee that comes out of the committee to the floor would be a non-debatable and we could move them straight to the floor
and for a floor vote.
That is a tougher option because that takes role change actually out into the committee too.
And a lot of committee chairmen are territorial about that.
But you could do it.
I think the more likely option will be that
we will do a similar vote, which will mean that anybody that comes out of the committee with a bipartisan vote can
go straight to the floor for a vote, and anyone else would take a 15-minute debate.
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Senator, you were going to make a point here, but can we expect wholesale systemic changes?
Because Senator, you can agree with us.
It's wrong to win an election and have a whole year pass by without 160 of your own people.
Yeah, I agree.
And by the way, Charlie, one of these days I'm going to grope and be able to explain things as easy as you can because
this stuff gets wonky.
Yes, you can expect wholesale change.
And what's interesting about this is we got a bunch of old guards in the Senate.
And when I say old guards, I mean they
protect the establishment like this.
Like you do this and bow down to it.
Like when I used to walk into a Joe
walk into a map.
But anyways, my point is, is Mitch McConnell's the one
leading the change on this.
He stood up in conference.
And mind you, there's a few people that still listen to Mitch really heavy.
He stood up and made in conference and made the argument why we have to do this change.
So, yes, you're going to expect real change.
Our goal is to be able to make the Senate work more efficiently.
Now, to keep in mind, there's a lot of Democrats that want the change too because they're tired of the same thing.
They see what's happening with Chuck Schumer.
They understand that this is, you know, we're not always,
I hope we do, but traditionally speaking, we're not always going to have a Republican president.
And this is going to be pushed on them too.
So they would like to have change so we can move this along.
80% of our time right now in the Senate is used on executive calendars trying to get these noms across the finish line.
And that's on both sides.
And I don't, I mean, listen, I wasn't a supporter of Biden at all.
Neither were you.
But the fact is they still need their people because we still need government to operate.
Well,
and here's the thing.
Need your people, especially if you have a Senate majority.
Now, if you're not in the majority, then it's a whole different
name, advising consent.
But we have the majority.
We won.
Dave mccormick's a u.s senator we won elections to be able to do this and it is an overcompensation because senator i think you would agree this is the last question all of these archaic old crow ancestry rules are back when the u.s senate unfortunately your colleagues actually wanted what was best and now they want something completely different The Senate, it was a club built on honor, and it was built on mutual respect.
I think that is gone, and the rules need to reflect the new character or lack thereof of the U.S.
Senate.
Final thoughts, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
1,000% correct, Charlie.
We used to, there was decorum in the Senate that put America first.
That's why the Senate is elected to six years because you don't have to constantly be having to play politics back home because politics do play a role in legislation.
The Senate was supposed to be somewhat above that, but you have Chuck Schumer that is literally afraid of his own own shadow right now.
The fact is, he knows he can't work with us because he's up for re-election and he's afraid AOC is going to run against him and beat him in his seat, which is absolutely accurate.
So therefore, it puts him in a, in a, in a, in a, um, in an ability, an inability to be able to negotiate.
Then you have Corey Booker, who is clearly running for president in 2028.
And you have Chris Murphy, who is running for president in 2028.
They aren't willing to negotiate, and most of this stuff takes unanimous consent for us to be able to move forward.
So the only option we have is to make these changes.
And so therefore, we will make these changes.
When we come back in September, I think it's September 2nd,
we will immediately proceed with a package that we're going to be working on all literally all month, trying to get prepared and ready to vote on the rules change so we can start moving forward.
By the way, the president is, I can't express this enough, Charlie, how much he's involved in this.
He is, he's
working with us.
And I'm not questioning any of those decisions or wisdom.
I'm expressing skepticism that we're going to be able to get systemic change.
So I need you guys to keep the pressure on.
And forget the Democrats.
We won the, but we keep on having these deadlines.
But my goodness, man, by the one-year election of Donald Trump's victory in November, if we don't have that 160 number to be zero,
you will have a stolen presidency via personnel.
Well, yeah, yeah, we can't get to zero because we're constantly confirming more people.
They're constantly sending people over to us.
So we have 150 that were waiting on paperwork to be sent back to us from the White House plus 160 that we have.
So this is going to be an ongoing process, but we should have the backlog caught up.
Fine.
Yes, right.
So how about anyone that was submitted in January should be done in the next couple, like the next 30 to 60 days, right?
Someone that had their nomination form signed by the President of the United States on January 26th.
Come on, we got to get through that.
Senator, thank you so much.
And our eyes are watching the Senate.
We know it's not easy right now.
Thank you.
Charlie, thank you.
It's time to play hardball.
Same thing with the redistricting fight in Texas.
The Democrats,
they don't want what's best.
They're gumming up the works.
They're experts at that.
They are delay,
bureaucratic obstructionists.
Run them over.
We won the election.
They didn't.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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