What Really Is An American? ft. Prof. Victor Davis Hanson

Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

We have a great episode to remember Dr.

Dobson who passed away.

A very impressive young black man by the name of Matt Nuclear joins the show.

And most importantly, we kick off with Victor Davis Hansen, really insightful conversation.

The author of the new book, End of Everything.

We ask, what is the state of the Democratic Party, Mom Donnie, and of course, what is an American?

Victor Davis Hanson, legend, professor author joins us.

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Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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I want to thank Charlie.

He's an incredible guy.

His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

That's why we are here.

Joining us now is one of my favorite people.

And when he speaks, I listen.

I've also taken his Hillsdale online course.

It's incredible.

It's Victor Davis Hansen, author of the forthcoming book, updated paperback edition of The End of Everything: How Wars Descend Into Annihilation.

And boy, is that a great way to describe what's happening between Russia and Ukraine.

Victor Davis Hansen is also a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

Great to see you, Mr.

Hansen.

Thank you for taking the time.

I want to just allow you the opportunity to go deeper into something you said recently.

You said, quote, it's over.

I don't think there is a Democrat Party right now.

What did you mean by that?

And please take some time to explain.

Well, you can ascertain that by a lot of factors.

We've never really seen the Republican Party register more voters in a year or any definite period that was defined than the Democratic Party.

And we're seeing, in addition to that, massive defections from the Democratic Party to the Independent affiliations.

And then we see this astounding

statistic that while the white working the white vote in 16, 20, and 24 stayed pretty constant, the reason that Donald Trump won the popular vote the third time around was a 55%

of Hispanics and maybe anywhere from 23 to 25 percent Hispanic males and then 20 to 25 percent of black males.

So the data shows that something's going wrong.

And then you look at the popularity indices and there's about 35 percent popularity for the Democratic Party.

That doesn't mean that they can't win a binary election if they run,

you know, just demonize Trump and say that, you know,

we don't represent anything, we just represent non-Trump.

And it's always harder to have a counter-revolution restoration in a year than it is easier to destroy things in four years, like I think the Biden period did.

But

the question I think you're asking is what happened to them?

Why?

And I think there was a lot of factors.

One is we have 50 million people who were not born in the United States.

And so when you look at a lot of the signature candidates or politicos in the Democratic Party, whether it's the squad, Illian Omar

or Mondami, the first and second generation,

were not...

They were not receptive to the idea of civic education or we didn't offer it to them.

So assimilation, integration may have taken place in a personal level, but it surely didn't in an Americanization.

And so we brought a lot of people into the country, and yet when they set foot here, most of them were from the former third world,

their attitude was the left offers me all sorts of benefits, free this, scholarships, student loans, DEI preference, affirmative action, and the right is more entrepreneurial.

So you see a breakdown of a lot of immigrants who are entrepreneurial, electricians, plumbers, or voting Republican, but the elite that has had a very powerful effect on

the Democratic Party, the elite first and second generation immigrant, especially on matters of Israel or DEI.

The second thing, very quickly, is the universities are not liberal biased anymore.

They're socialist bias, and they have trained the elite of the Democratic Party.

Third, globalization favored a bi-coastal elite that had global skills, media, law, high-tech, corporate boardroom, and disadvantaged people in the interior, you know, that were natural resource extraction, farming, mining, timber, assembly,

things like that, muscular labor.

And there was a vocabulary that, you know, as we've talked about,

irredeemables, deplorables.

clingers, dregs, chumps.

I think Biden's latest was garbage.

And that kind of became a credo of the Democratic Party.

We're the professional classes, and we're smarter because we got really wealthy out of globalization, and now we can concentrate on utopian agendas like transgenderism or New Green Deal.

But they lost touch, in other words, with the old lunchbucket middle class of the Democratic Party.

So if you look at 92 and 96 Clinton convention agendas, they were paranoid about

drifting too far, at least rhetorically, rhetorically, from the middle class.

They were for closed borders, they were for unions, they were for tough policing, etc.

They were for trying juveniles as adults in some cases.

So that was it.

And then finally, Charlie, if you look at the fertility rates of red and blue, the top red state, the top 10 fertile states going up to 2.1 to 1.8 are all red, and the bottom from 1.5 all the way to 1.3 are all blue.

and you've got about a 4 million person exodus in addition.

So there's a sense in the Democratic Party that they're paranoid or that their model of a blue state professional, especially women who maybe have one or no children and they want to concentrate, as AOC said, on things like global warming rather than child raising and traditional families.

That has a that has an influence as well.

And you can see that with the demonstrations.

The type of person who goes to those anti-ice

radical demonstrations tend to be single women or professional women especially they're overrepresented all of those add it all up and I think it's a different democratic party and and

it'll have to have a McGovern-like disaster before it wakes up

so so let's let's zero in on that mr.

Hansen and again the book is the end of everything it's incredible how are you thinking about mom dani mom danny wrote a not bad it's kind of some of the news today.

The elements of my platform are all about affordability.

I'm a Democratic socialist.

When New Yorkers ask me what it means, I take the words of Martin Luther King, who says, call it democracy, call it democratic socialism.

There must be a better distribution of wealth for all God's children in this country.

How are you thinking about Mom Donnie?

He's likely to be the next mayor of our largest city.

And so while you're contesting that the Democrat Party doesn't really exist, they're about, the very insurgent wing is about to conquer America's largest city.

How are you thinking about it?

And what is the major takeaway here, Victor Davis-Hanson?

Yeah, well, I think he's going to win, but he's going to win on about the basis of somewhere between 11 and 15 percent of the resident population.

Voting for mayor is not like for president, so you're not going to get a big turnout.

And

they're going to split the vote three ways, and the vote between

Curtis Silwa and Eric Adams and Cuomo together is going to probably be about 50%.

So I don't know if that's accurate.

The other thing is that New York is a little different.

About 30 or 40 percent of the population is on rent control, and probably

over a million people are either working for city or state government in New York, or they're working for kind of affiliated NGOs that have government contracts.

So it's not representative of the United States as a whole.

But you make a good point when you you would say, well, Victor, wait a minute, they elected Giuliani and they elected Bloomberg and these people were moderates or conservatives in some sense.

So why did they change to this?

And I think it's this idea that this professional class that I talked about, especially single, metrosexuals, urban people,

they're highly educated and they feel

that

for a variety of reasons they are not getting the type of deference or advantages that they feel that their superior morality and intellectual ability and education and degrees warrant.

So it's basically an appeal to the upper white professional class and

the subsidized poor.

But I don't think it's representative of America in general.

But it surely is.

Go ahead.

I love that.

So then I want to extrapolate how we might, this is my thesis, and I believe you agree, we might see more Mamdanis if we do not create a culture of ownership and how small, how private property ownership, owning land, is the greatest deterrent from Mamdaniism and Marxism.

If that were to spread, it would only

spread because we have a nation of renters and not owners.

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Can you pick up on what I was saying, author of End of Everything?

On we need a society of owners, not just renters, which I believe is one of the reasons why, if Mamdaniism were to become a spreading virus, it would be because of that.

Victor Davis Hanson, please.

Yeah, I wrote a book about that called The Other Greeks.

The origins of Western culture

occurred around 700 BC when all of a sudden there were radical changes in land ownership, population increases, and a rise of a small but predominant agrarian class, 10-acre farmers.

Same thing

when this country was founded, 90% of people were agrarian.

And that was the idea that Jefferson said when people are piled up in the cities and they don't own property, then it's not going to work because it depends on an autonomous, self-reliant person to take on the responsibilities of consensual government.

So I agree with that.

And the problem is, Charlie, is that that you look at home ownership and across administrations in decades,

it's still stagnated around

62%, 60%.

It's about the same percentage as the labor participation rate.

And I don't know.

Part of it is the rise of the welfare social estate that creates laxity and dependency.

But the other problem is the interest rates have been too high

and the regulations have been too steep.

So here in California, you know, the average small, I don't know, 1,800 square foot home is a million dollars and the interest rates are 7%.

So to the degree people are buying houses or have houses, they're inheriting either the house, second home or their house from their parents, or they're inheriting the capital or they're being lent the capital from their parents who were from a different generation when it was much easier to buy a home.

So you're right, that the Republicans have to address that.

And

it's taken the Republicans very quickly a little while to adjust that they're a populist, nationalist, middle-class party.

Because if you listen to what Mitt Romney was saying, or John McCain, or the Bushes, it was always let's lower the capital gains rate or let's privatize Social Security or let's deregulate.

There was some logic to it, but it ignored the idea that the middle class is the largest group in America, and you can win elections if you have free market

solutions to the inability to buy homes.

So about one minute remaining here, just really quick.

I had a conversation recently with a hedge fund type.

He said, but Charlie, owning is a failed and is an old concept.

He didn't say failed and older concept.

It's very inefficient.

Renting is much better and you can maximize your returns.

What would that mean for us politically, as a country, as a polis?

Forget the economics of it, but if you just become a society of renters, what what does that do to a people?

About one day, Victor Davis-Hanson?

It makes people dependent on a landlord, so they don't know when they're going to be there.

And if the window breaks, they don't feel like they're going to fix it.

They're not going to paint the interior.

It doesn't require any self-discipline or reliance or independence.

You own your home, nobody can take it away from you.

And

you can say, I want to fix it up, improve it, and I want to pass it on to my children.

And then that creates a larger idea that you fix things and you take care of them and you're a custodian.

But when you're a renter mentality, it's like somebody will take care of it.

I'm not going to worry about it.

I don't really worry about taxes.

I don't worry about interest rates.

I don't worry about anything.

All I do is get mad at my landlord because he increases the

rent, and I don't know why he does that.

That's right.

Because I don't pay taxes.

I ask people all the time: when's the last time you washed a rental car?

Not usually.

You return it pretty dirty because someone else is going to take responsibility for it.

Check out Victor Davis Hansen's book, The End of Everything.

How would you answer the question, what is an American, Victor Davis-Hansen?

It's somebody who accepts the general principles of the Constitution and consensual government.

Second, it's somebody who empirically, not just by blind obedience or doctrine, believes that the United States is singular and better than the alternative.

I think that's very important.

And third, it's somebody, because we're the only real successful multiracial democracy in history who believes their superficial appearance or their ethnic racial background religious is incidental to who they are.

That's not essential.

What's essential is they're an American that transcends race and religion and gender sexual orientation.

But if you don't do that, then you're going to end up like these large democracies that are multiracial, multi-ethnic that don't work, like Brazil or India, where you have caste systems and racial tensions and racial essentialism.

Yeah, and that's what that's the reason I asked the question: is that you have people like Mamdani or Omar Fatah or Elon Omar that do not share our values, that do not share our worldview.

And so many of our traditions are Anglo at its core.

And so I think we need to just graduate above this idea that just because you have your paperwork organized, you are an American.

And you need to have

your full spirit bought in, your thumbos bought into the nation, the allegiance.

Victor Davis Hanson.

Well, we can do that because we take in more immigrants, legal and illegal, until recently illegal, than all the countries put together.

So we can be a lot more selective.

And I think the Trump administration is just starting to see that, that we can ask people, are you acquainted with the English language?

Are you acquainted with the Constitution?

Do you want to be an American?

But because of the nature of immigration,

it's bizarre, Charlie, because it's mostly coming from Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

So, when a person sets one inch across the border, the left greets him and saying, You're a victim.

You don't know it yet, but you're not an Anglo-Saxon or white or whatever they tell them, and you have grievances that are legitimate against this major culture.

And we're here to give you a subsidized loan, we're here to give you affirmative action, we're going to be here, you'll go to a separate graduation, a separate dorm when we get you into, and that's all, and you're going to be angry at this country, and that's going to be very lucrative for you.

It's going to be very advantageous versus the melting pot integration assimilation.

In closing, here, I want to have an opportunity for you to talk about your book, The End of Everything.

And I'd love to hear your take on the Peloponnesian War and what did that do to Athenian democracy.

So, tell us about your book and tell us about the Peloponnesian War and its impact on Athenian democracy.

Well, I looked at four societies in history: ancient Thebes,

the Aztecs, Carthage, and Constantinople.

And

why were they destroyed?

Most wars do not lead to utter destruction.

The culture, the language, everything vanishes.

And it's because

they have an unrealistic view of their robustness.

They're in decline.

They don't recognize it.

They don't recognize that people really do want to destroy them and they don't realize they have the ability to destroy them.

So

this happens in history, and it's relevant to the present because we keep dismissing bio, nerve gas, AI, atomic weapons, but it doesn't mean we've gone to the end of history.

This can happen again if we're naive.

And so that was one of the reasons I wrote it.

In the epilogue, I listed all of the existential threats made by North Korea, China, Turkey, Russia to destroy not just

the army of the enemy, but to wipe out a whole civilization.

So it's not unusual that it can't, I mean, it's going to happen again somewhere.

And I was just trying to give the reader a description of how it happened in the past, and could that happen in the future?

And I think

it could,

especially as we see in Ukraine, when Donald Trump said to Zelensky,

you're on the bridge of nuclear war, what he was saying is,

Fair or not, when you attack Russia and you have no nuclear weapons and they have nuclear weapons

and they may be humiliated, be careful what happens.

He didn't mean to say that you shouldn't do it.

He was just trying to apprise them that we've never done this in the Cold War.

In the Cold War, the proxy war did not involve the two rivals on the doorstep of one threatening.

And when Cuba was armed by the Soviet Union pointing missiles at us, we said, no, we're not going to do that.

You broke the rules.

So we've got to be careful.

I mean, we all resent what Russia do, and I oppose it.

I support Ukraine, but we are the West is having a proxy to hurt Russia, rather.

And that's what was unique about Trump when he said he's the only person talking about a million to a million and a half wounded, dead, missing.

No one else talks about it.

He does, as a humanitarian Stalingrad.

He has more of a moral compass than almost any president, I think, in the last 100 years.

He cares about people that are not even his own, and he's willing to try to solve wars that don't have an immediate impact in the United States.

Victor Davis Hanson, thank you so much for the time.

The end of every

how wars descend into annihilation.

Thank you.

God bless you.

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So I was the first one to do this sort of thing where you sit in a ring and it's a show called Jubilee.

This was a year ago.

Can you believe it, Andrew?

A year ago.

In Jubilee, it was the shot heard around the world, seen hundreds of millions of times.

I think it's probably over a billion views if you count all the clips.

It was the marker right into our campus tour.

And now it's kind of become a rite of passage where a lot almost everywhere on the right and on the left they go through this Jubilee thing and it's internet shock debating.

Saw this clip of a young man take on this very nasty, condescending liberal woman by the name of Amanda Seals.

And it was a black conservative.

I think it was like 20 black conservatives and a singular black liberal.

I think that was the premise.

And boy, it was just beautiful to witness.

And the young man did a great job of deconstructing her arguments, of not taking the bait, of rejecting the premise.

And it takes a lot of talent and skill and bringing the facts.

It is Matt Nuclear who debated on Jubilee.

You can find him on exit Matt Nuclear60466.

We've got to get him a better handle, but we'll work on that.

Matt Nuclear, welcome to the program.

Matt, thank you for the time.

And Matt, congratulations.

That was a big moment for you.

Introduce yourself to the audience.

Great to meet you.

Great to meet you as well, Charlie Kirk.

I'm very honored to be here.

So I've been debating since I was 15 years old.

I started debating on smaller platforms until recently when I've been doing TikTok live debates talking about the Israel Palestine conflict, talking about, you know, domestic policy and Trump and Harris and all of those sorts of different things.

And I was invited on Jubilee to debate a liberal, although she turned out to be a radical.

That's what she called herself later on.

And yeah, she was very nasty.

She was very condescending.

But I really did enjoy the debate.

And this is what I like to do, debate people, read and learn facts.

And I'm 18 years old.

Well, that's awesome.

Let's play a little bit of your masterclass.

Now, this is just, this is very good as someone who does this for a living i told my team i said get them on the program you know it's kind of funny i'm kind of like a talent scout because you know i do this professionally i do this you know hundreds of hours a year and so i know what i know what's hard and easy i know what pull and it's hard to get the vocabulary right and the tone and the premise and all that especially when you're being filmed not easy right not to mention age 18 play cut 360.

You can give everyone here like a $50,000 check, especially people that are in the streets who are committing violent crimes consistently, a $50,000 check is not going to fix anything.

It's not going to increase the median household income in the next 10 years by 10% or 20%.

There's no systemic racism that I've experienced here in America.

What system is racist?

I think the only racism we've actually seen recently, systemic racism that we've seen, is the application of systemic racism against white people.

The University of Western Washington, for example, has been trying to segregate dormitories using black-only dormitories because black people feel safer amongst each other.

But they're more likely to kill each other than white people are ever to kill them.

That's just the truth.

You have King Vaughan rapping about killing other black men.

Why should I think that the white man is the oppressor when black men are more likely to kill me?

Woo!

You tell them, Matt.

Tell us more.

Yeah, by the way, her response to that, I know you guys didn't play it, was you should speak to me as if I was your mother.

You have to understand that I was very respectful towards her.

As soon as I sat down, the first time, because I went up twice, the first time I sat down with her, I shook her hand, I complimented her, I gave her my name, and I was very respectful.

And she responded in a very condescending way, telling me that I should respond to her or speak to her as if she was my mother when she's not my mother.

She's a crazy radical leftist who has no respect.

Before I play another piece of tape, how did you become a conservative?

Why are you conservative?

Because she was basically saying throughout the entire thing, I didn't watch the whole thing, I watched some of it, that how dare you, young black man, be right-wing?

How did you become conservative?

Just from reading.

Like I've always used to be interested in politics and Donald Trump and just seeing everything, watching Ben Shapiro, Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, and looking into everyone's arguments, and even you yourself as well, and Turning Point USA and what you guys have done.

And I think after learning a lot, after researching, after trying to figure things out, I was like, well, I more politically align with the right.

And I think that the right

is justified politically.

I think what they are doing is justified.

I think the MAG movement is a great movement.

And I just found myself aligning with facts and logic.

And I feel that that most aligns with the Republican Republican Party or the right in general.

So you

were you raised conservative?

I mean, I want to pry too much, but I mean, was the environment liberal?

I mean,

so my father is Christian.

My mother is also Christian.

I was raised in a Christian household.

My father has always been political, but he was born in Angola.

And so I don't really know like whether or not he's conservative.

I think he'd be considered a conservative.

But my parents weren't too political.

When I was younger,

even like six years old or five years old, my father used to make me like, you you know, write things down that would, you know, that would be on the newspaper there.

And so that's really it.

But no one really, you know, got me into politics.

I kind of just went along and figured, well, I find this interesting.

And I like debating and I just got into it.

I think there, I think there's, that's awesome.

Let's play another piece of tape here.

This is you with this woman.

Let's play cut 361.

For example, we had the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

We prevented Chinese people from getting citizenship and even entering the country.

We discriminated against them and basically put them under apartheid, even here in the United States.

Yet they have the highest median household income.

How is that possible?

How come they don't complain and feel entitled consistently to beg for reparations and beg for this when they are killing each other 90% of the time, which is the rate that black people kill each other, according to the FBI?

Oh, young Matt.

Yet white people are the oppressors.

I'm not sure where your education came from, but they lied to you.

Stats don't lie, though.

Statistics lie all the time.

If you're going to start your argument on stats don't lie, you've already lost the argument.

They lie all the time.

So let me tell you what's going on here, everybody.

This is why this is a masterclass.

It's why Matt did so well.

Do you notice she did not mention or even refute a single thing he said?

She immediately argues from authority.

She immediately goes from a place of condescension.

Well, I don't know where you got your education.

Well, tell us why the data is wrong.

Was it a bad study?

Is it flimsy?

Is it not consistent with other data that you might be able to present?

Are you not aware of it?

Like, there's a million different ways that you could good faith respond to that.

The worst way is, well, I don't know where you got your education from and statistics lie all the time.

She is correct.

Statistics do lie, but however, tell us why.

So tell us, okay, young man, that study is wrong because actually we have an overwhelming amount of data to show boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And we know this because it's peer-reviewed and it's from multiple areas and it's from different cities.

And again, we know a lot of cities aren't even sending all their crime stats to the FBI.

So if they lie, they're probably underrepresenting the problem.

And so

the way you handle it is like, here's some of the facts, here's some of the data, and she immediately resorts to this kind of condescension.

I want to ask you, do you think that

black liberalism is cracking and falling apart?

Do you think that black liberalism

is destined to be a failed domestic American political endeavor?

Absolutely.

And I mean, I mean, I've gotten a lot of reactions from that clip, and then those clips that went viral.

And a lot of people are starting to see the truth is that black liberalism and radicalism and leftism in general is falling apart.

It's going away.

Okay.

And the way that she conducted herself showed exactly what black liberalism or radicalism is.

It's emotionality, not responding to facts, not responding to arguments, being condescending, and not knowing how to have a conversation with people in general.

And so I definitely believe it's falling apart in this country.

I believe it's only going to become more and more unpopular.

And let's be honest, the Democratic Party is not doing well.

It has become more and more unpopular.

Their ratings have been the lowest we've ever seen them.

Right.

And so, absolutely, it is.

What are the names you are called by either white liberals or others or other fellow black liberals that you might know for having these sort of opinions?

Are you treated well for being a conservative young black man?

Definitely not by the majority of black people in this country.

So, you know, the typical, you know, slurs would be like, I'm not going to say the actual slur, but raccoon.

And then people will use terms like Uncle Rockas and things like that to try to, you know, undermine me and, you know, say that I'm only trying to appease white people when I'm not.

I'm just trying to speak the truth and try to get the black communities to focus on the right issues.

But yeah, of course, that's what they'll call me.

You're young.

It's the same age I started, Turning Point USA, and you are in the pursuit of truth.

You also have some, I believe, heterodox takes on the Israel issue.

Yes.

I would love to hear that.

What are your views?

Why do you talk about it so much?

Please.

Yes, yes, yes.

So originally when the conflict started between Israel and Palestine, I didn't really know too much.

And then I started doing research about it.

And I was like, what's going on here with this whole Israel-Palestine conflict?

Why are we involved?

And I figured that, well, Israel is a great outpost of democracy in the Middle East.

They best resemble our values.

They are the safest place for Christians and conservatives in the Middle East in terms of the ones that represent our values and not Islamic fundamental values.

And I was like, well, I support Israel.

There is no reason why I shouldn't support their war against jihadists.

their self-defense and their self-determination.

And so that's kind of how I aligned myself that way.

And I did a significant amount of research on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

And I, you know, started talking about it on,

you know, TikTok, doing TikTok live debates.

And that's kind of how I got a little bit of notoriety.

And what's interesting about that, actually, is the fact that I originally was supposed to go on Jubilee for a Israel debate, but that got canceled.

But they invited me back for another one where I was going to be debating radical leftists.

And that's how we got this.

Last, last one.

Let's play cut 486.

Let's just send you off with a triumph here.

And she literally says, are you acting right now?

You see, this is why.

The liberal black mind, and not all blacks are this way, but the liberal black mind, she appeals to emotionalism and she can't comprehend the idea that a young black man might believe this.

She thinks it's synthetic.

Play cut 486.

And no one here is in.

Are you acting right now?

Do you have anything?

I'm telling the truth.

There's no systemic racism that I've experienced here in America.

What system is racist?

I think the only racism we've actually seen recently, systemic racism that we've seen, is the application of systemic racism against white people.

The University of Western Washington, for example, has been trying to segregate dormitories using black-only dormitories because black people feel safer amongst each other, but they're more likely to kill each other than white people are ever to kill them.

That's just the truth.

You have King Vaughan rapping about killing other black men.

Why should I think that the white man is the oppressor when black men are more likely to kill me?

Oh my god.

Oh my god, this is scary.

You need to think about me as y'all mama.

Do not talk to me in that fashion.

So let's check that now.

see immediate appeal to authority i'm a black woman and you have to appeal like no that that that doesn't work anymore okay you you are able to talk facts and she made a fool of herself typical emotionalism matt nuclear if you were a stock i would buy it stay humble keep researching hope to meet you soon thank you so much thank you so much charlie kirk it's an honor to meet you as well and speak to you thank you thank you

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Unfortunately, last night or early this morning, we lost a legend, and that is Dr.

Dobson.

I grew up listening to Dr.

Dobson on Focus on the Family Radio, loyally loyally married through his entire career.

Dr.

Dobson was a culture warrior.

He did it with great joy and whimsy.

You see, Dr.

Dobson, he stood for the family and for biblical Christian values while there was the big push for gay marriage, the big push for premarital sex, the big push for all the sexual anarchy that has really infected our nation.

Dr.

Dobson stood by President Trump when other people questioned Donald Trump's Christian and biblical beliefs.

Dr.

Dobson, he finished well.

So many guys I'm watching, like Rick Warren and others, like, oh, it's so hard to watch.

They had such, you know, they had a promising career, and then they just go into woctopia.

Let's just remember Dr.

Dobson from Focus on the Family of some of his great teachings throughout his career.

Play cut 481, please.

You don't need the anger.

You do not need anger to control children.

That teacher who said, I have to stay mad all the time to control my class, you see, was using anger to control.

It doesn't work.

Action is what controls.

Now that's a little snippet.

I wish we had more time, but he didn't just advocate for these things.

He had real technical advice on how to be better parents.

He would run infomercials on how to biblically parent your kids.

He would famously say,

you spell love to a kid, T-I-M-E, time.

It's an attitude.

I'll never forget, I got a chance to spend a good amount of time with Dr.

Dobson at his retreat.

And I saw him last at his retreat back in Colorado, Colorado Springs, in the midst of the election.

I made time to go see him.

I'm so glad I did.

And the first thing and the last thing he always says to me, he says, I know, Charlie, I know you're changing the world and you're doing God's work.

But those kids of yours, they need you.

And don't forget that.

That daughter needs you.

That son needs you.

So you better go make time.

Kind of in a very forceful, fatherly, biblical way.

Let's play cut 483, the legend, Dr.

James Dobson.

But it's love to tell a person the truth.

Well, who was our model?

Christ was our model.

He was certainly not

intolerant.

He was not tolerant of sin.

He called it by its name.

And he's the one that said, it's the truth.

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.

If you do, you have to take the heat that comes with it.

You know, I mentioned the universities.

There's going to be tremendous pressure, even on Christian colleges.

Again, I wish we had more time to play these pieces of tape.

Finally, let's play Cut 474

on Dr.

Dobson having Trump's back.

Play Cut 474.

You know, I have Christian people, conservative people who come up to me and say, what's he like?

The truth of the matter is, is that he's much more of a gentleman than anybody knows he is.

And he has kept every promise he made to the faith community.

I really do love and appreciate that man.

If that makes some people unhappy, I'm speaking for myself, not for my organization.

But

I'm extremely pleased, and I wish people would get off his back.

Dr.

Dobson ran the race well, as it says in 1 Timothy.

He finished well.

And let us that be the goal for all of us as we remember David Horowitz and John MacArthur and now Dr.

Dobson.

So many legends are passing away, and it is a beautiful legacy.

He never wavered despite the protests, the calls for cancellation.

Dr.

Dobson never wavered for something that keeps our society free, the family.

His entire effort was called focus on the family.

And boy, is that beautiful.

God bless him.

We'll miss you, Dr.

Dobson.

We'll keep on fighting for the family family every day.

Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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