The Power of Words: How Liberalism Works w/ Greg Gutfeld

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How about Greg Gutfeld, everybody?

You know,

I expected more pyrotechnics.

You know, as you see, we're downsizing.

I want somebody to lose a finger when I come out.

Isn't Greg the best?

I watch him almost every night, I'll tell you.

Stop it.

Stop it.

You crazy kids.

I wonder if, has anybody here ever seen Red Eye?

Huh.

I was just wondering how old you were because that was the first show.

No hands went up around here.

I know.

They're going to.

Yeah, they're going like, you mean the movie Red Eye?

Yes, so Greg, I know there's a lot going on in the news.

Obviously, the most important thing that you want to talk about is the fact that we no longer have to take our shoes off at the airport when we fly.

I'm planning on

that is the most important news of the week.

Yes.

I like the fact that I can keep my shoes on and take my pants off.

No, it's crazy.

Every day is good news.

It's like 365 days of Christmas.

And once in a while you get something that you're not happy about, but the whole package is amazing.

It's like the election of Trump is like

you wanted your parents to buy you a car for your 16th birthday, and you got the car, but maybe it doesn't have, it's not the right color.

So

stop whining.

This is like the best thing that's ever happened to our political system in ages.

And Greg, you made a really good point backstage, which is look, there's disagreements in our movement and people are fighting back and forth, but you look at this as a positive of an attribute of a movement that has strength.

This is a

party, this is a movement that is so transparent that even their cover-ups are transparent.

They're not even trying.

It's like everything that you've seen is one collective wink.

It's like, dude, yeah, we get it.

You know,

Epstein was probably a honeypot operation, but it's like a CIA thing.

You know, it sucks.

But

the way I look at it is that,

again,

with the Christmas analogy, you got everything you wanted.

You're not going to get everything.

But you're going to get to see how it's made and you know what's going on.

You may not know

who's stopping that.

But what's important for you to know is right now, the Democrats,

this is all they have.

All they have is the conflict that's going on on the other side.

So they are like, you'll notice certain alignments happening where all of a sudden CNN is now covering Epstein.

Didn't do it before.

And you'll start seeing these liberal alignments because

they want the fractions.

They want people to break apart.

You don't want to give them that.

So even when there's certain things that are happening that are upsetting to you, you have to step back, look at the big picture, don't lose sight of the changes that you're experiencing and how together, like I want to take, I have to take umbrage with Tucker Carlson.

Go ahead.

All right, whom I love.

When he said that

getting

boys out of girls' sports was an appetizer, well, hell, I could eat appetizers all day.

I

that to me is a really big deal.

And you gotta understand, I was talking about the issue of transgenderism and

boys and women's sports when people weren't talking about it.

And I was getting a lot of crap for it.

People kept asking me, why do you keep bringing this up?

Why do you keep bringing this up?

And I say, because you compel me to.

I don't want to think about this.

This was never on my agenda.

But the moment pronouns came out, I realized, wait, you're compelling me to think a certain way.

And that's a line you can't cross.

You may think it's a side issue, but the bigger issue is compelling you to obey.

That was it.

So the appetizer,

you got to eat that appetizer to get to the main course.

Or you can take all the appetizers and make a main course.

That to me was probably the big issue for me.

And it allows us to speak freely about one of the biggest delusions, one of the biggest hoaxes of our time, the idea that there are trans kids that you need to operate on, which 10 years from now, 20 years from now, there will be people that will be embarrassed to even admit they believed it.

They will act like it never happened.

Well, and not only that, there are detransitioners here at this event.

I think Chloe Cole is here somewhere.

And

it's not an insignificant portion of the population.

And by the way, to your kind of analogy about President Trump and the good he's doing his administration, Greg, we need to make it a goal.

Hopefully, by the end of this administration, we are going to end every gender-affirming care clinic and child butchery in this country.

We're not going to allow it to happen.

It's a good lesson that you're learning when you're young: pay attention to language.

Think about the phrase gender-affirming care.

Nope, it sounds wonderful.

You're affirming a gender.

That is your, I guess that is your warning that it's something awful.

Whenever the language

camouflages its actual meaning, you cannot say

irreversible surgery and put high-risk hormones.

You say gender affirming, affirming as the positive.

They do this with everything.

Let's remember that, you know, abortion is now pro-choice because pro-choice is an affirming phrase.

So you always have to look at that and see, okay, what is underneath it?

It's part of the, I think, the education of your brain, learning to question the actual words they use first and foremost.

Yeah, and I mean, there's so many other examples.

I mean, they'll use undocumented immigrants.

They will correct people on other networks if you say illegal immigrants.

Somebody tried to do that to me on Fox once.

I can't remember who they were, Araldo, but

it is like, again, why?

So

it's almost like they can't tackle the issue, so they dance on the edge of the issue.

Yeah, they use virtue signaling bullying over semantics.

Yes.

You don't use my word, therefore you're a bad person.

Yes.

And by the way, the way that we should talk about gender-affirming care, child castration, and medieval butchery, how's that for language changes?

You know,

do you think we're getting better at language on the right?

Well,

I think the great thing is that that we're no longer afraid of sharing the risk.

And I, you know, people like you, Charlie, and even and Trump, people have to be the, you know, the tip of the spear.

A lot of people were too, like, you take the issue like trans.

You don't want to be bullied online by people.

If you say what you feel, like, think about the athletes that were too timid to say they didn't want to change in front of a guy.

They didn't want to share the risk with the, you know, the Riley Gaines, the people who did take the risk.

But what you're seeing is it's a natural thing.

When you see somebody that you know taking a risk, you're more likely to share that risk with them.

So what's happening is now, because we are sharing the risk and being able to say what we want, the language changes.

And that's a new phenomenon, Greg.

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So you've been coming to our events seven, eight years,

right?

Yeah.

And

back when I was in my early 20s.

Sure.

yeah.

When I was in my early 20s, not you.

But, Greg, something has changed profoundly.

When you first started coming to these events, first of all, the crowds were much smaller.

Right.

But the energy was different because there was campus rebellion energy that still exists here.

But culturally, Greg, it's kind of as if we're winning.

Am I allowed to say that?

In fact, I believe

we talked about this, I think, the first time I was here, and I had written about this, I don't know, 20 years ago, about the ability to flip the script.

You guys hopefully will never grow up in a time where everybody on the right was seen as evil.

I mean, you kind of do now.

But when I was growing up,

in every movie, in every TV show, it was the person who believed in law and order, the conservative who was seen as evil.

The person on the left was seen as hip and cool.

This has completely flipped.

A lot of it has to do with humor.

Now, who are the humorless people?

It's a complete flip.

The least funny people on the planet, on the planet, are liberals.

They're literally,

it's hard to take a joke when you are the joke.

And

they cannot see that they're the joke.

Meanwhile, The best thing you can do when you're in conflict with anyone is to have fun.

I watch Charlotte when you do those, when you talk to people, you're never angry.

It's not like you're judging the person, you're just having fun.

It's an example that I,

a comparison I use with when

fans of Obama talk about Obama, they talk about him in solemn terms, in serious terms.

So true.

When people who like Trump talk about him, they're laughing.

I stole this line from Michael Malas.

Whenever Trump says something, I go, we don't deserve him.

No matter what he does, you can't help but smile.

And when you're defending him, it's fun.

When you're not defending him, it's even fun.

It's like, for example, he just did a posted on Truth Social about stripping

Rosie, what's her name again?

Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship, which is impossible.

We know it's impossible.

We know it's hilarious, but it makes news and you see all the people on

the liberal blog, social media, pulling their hair out.

You know, autocracy, he wants to strip Rosie O'Donnell of her citizen.

No, he doesn't.

He's just sticking his finger in your eye, and we love every minute of it.

So

let's go a step further.

I want to analyze the psychology of humor a little bit more.

Is it fair to say that

those that can't take a joke are insecure, and that the left is actually full of a lot of people that are hyper-credentialed, overeducated, in an upper-middle-class environment, but deeply down are very insecure?

Yeah, I mean, you kind of described what they appear to be,

yeah, but you want to know what's underneath it.

And

I think about that a lot, and I think about, you know, when I was in in high school, I was a liberal.

And I think one of the things I liked about it was that it was,

we didn't have a name for it.

It was virtue signaling.

But it was easy status.

If you wanted status, high status from a teacher, you

push a liberal perspective in your debates or in your term papers.

So if what is important to you is status.

I need to know that everybody around me likes me.

Then I will

look at what is popular and I will echo that.

That's how liberalism kind of works.

One of the things I always tell young conservatives, like, what do I do when I'm outnumbered, when I'm there and I'm being ganged up on by three or four people?

And I always say,

Ask them why it's so important

that I agree with you.

Yeah.

Why do you need me?

Why is it so important that I should agree with you?

And then you might say, I think if you're looking for,

if you're looking for reassurance that you are right, I'm the wrong person.

And it's a very simple way of, because they have to leave,

they should ask themselves, why is it important that you agree with me?

Because they themselves aren't sure.

They are not sure.

It goes to the insecurity.

But it has to do with a desire to be cool, i.e.

status.

But

they then mistake what is cool, which is they think it's rebellion, but it's actually

false rebellion.

What is rebellious, what is truly rebellious, is rebelling against the rebellion.

That means if the guy says, Look, dude, I am

you know, I think that like the police suck, I'm gonna throw rocks at ice because I'm a rebel.

The true rebel tells that guy to off.

Excuse my language.

But so

what conservatism is, has always been rebellion against rebellion.

And that is the real risk in life because you will be unpopular among the midwits, the lower intellect, the people who think they're, anybody who thinks they're smarter than you isn't.

And they know that.

So

that is why they adhere to

easy status through virtue signaling that then they don't do anything about.

They can talk about climate change all they want, but then if their best friend scores first-class tickets for spring break, they're on that plane.

Well, and Greg, you said something a couple of years ago when we chatted, and it's so important, which is, and I've tried to apply this rule, it doesn't apply perfectly, but when you see a social movement, that continues to push forward when there is high social cost, they're worth at least listening to.

So, when there is a movement of people and they're getting canceled, they're smeared, potentially imprisoned, and they keep fighting for that thing,

you should hear them out.

Yes.

And this is the point of the kids on campus where you're surrounded by libs being like, Why do you think I believe my life's not easier?

Because

yet you're reminding me of something I said that I would have completely forgotten.

You're welcome.

I'm on the second part.

It's such a crazy point.

It's actually a really great point.

And it came from me.

Thank you.

It's like, do you ever wonder why I would risk this?

Do you ever think to yourself, I'm outnumbered by you?

Do you ever ask yourself, why would this person do this?

Aren't you the least bit curious about that?

That usually really can freeze somebody.

It's complete cognitive dissonance, right?

I'm glad you remembered that.

See, this is the problem with getting old.

I can't remember my best stuff.

That's why I'm here.

I remember your stuff for you.

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So think about it.

If you're ever outnumbered, instead of talking about politics or stuff, just say, listen, my view comes at a high social cost on this college campus.

Yeah.

High social cost.

How many kids here are graded differently because you're conservative views?

Raise your hand.

Okay.

Almost every student's hand goes up.

So therefore, it's...

You're making a conscious decision to suffer to some degree for a transcendent value.

Yeah.

And you should tell your lib friends or whatever, I could have comfort if I conform.

So why don't I?

Yes, I could actually get better grades like you if I said what you said, but I'm not.

Isn't that kind of interesting to you?

Yeah,

it's kind of like,

you know, I mean, I'm pro-life, and I mean, I run into

the,

you know, most people I know in my industry, almost all people I know in my industry are pro-choice.

And I know when I know that I am always, always outnumbered.

And, but I always, I'm always like, don't you even wonder like why?

Like, you seem to agree with a lot of things I say.

You think that I'm a smart person?

Do you think I'm just crazy on one thing?

Like, oh, he's really good on the economy.

He's really good on foreign policy.

He can write well, but he's completely nuts on unborn children.

That doesn't really logically make sense.

You know what's interesting about really, really smart pro-choice person people?

They admit it's murder.

I find this on campus.

They have to.

Yeah.

They have to go, look, you know what?

I'm not going to argue what it is murder, but I'm still for it.

That was a kind of a...

That was like the liberal comedian way of dealing with it.

Almost every smart comedian when they talk about abortion will not deny that it's murder.

And then everyone laughs at the comic club.

I guess that makes it okay.

Yeah, so at least you're being honest.

But this is another important point that Greg is making: that if you have earned social trust with people in your circle, defending that view that might be seemingly unpopular can convert that whole social circle to be a conservative.

Yes.

Because they'll think, wow, this is a good person.

It's not just being right, it's also character.

Yes, right.

This is a really, a really good point.

And

for example,

if you're in an office and you're working,

being an appealing person there,

it's like a young person will come in and when a young person starts at work, they're looking for somebody.

Not necessarily a mentor, but somebody that they can kind of identify with, make them feel at ease.

And when you're that person, and every single person has that.

Like

when I first started working at Men's Health or

at Prevention Magazine or different places, I identified,

I would boil it down to this.

When you'll see somebody you work with and you go, I want what that person has.

Like, what is it about them that makes them confident

and strong and

cool?

Like, it's weird.

You know, the word cool

originated from the word calm.

A lot of people don't know that.

It's like you're always looking for the calm person in the storm.

And

when you are that person, people want to know why.

This is why being histic, like being politically hysterical doesn't win

followers.

It's like, Charlie, if you're calm, people are interested.

Getting back to the point about character.

If somebody sees that everything that you're doing is working,

and then they find out that you have an opinion that they detest, Like, the perfect thing is Trump.

It's great when you, when,

when the most successful person in the group, they find out is a Trump supporter and they go, my God, you're an idiot.

And he goes, Yeah, I'm an idiot.

Have you seen where I live?

Have you seen my family?

So they have to, like, all of a sudden start

reconfiguring the way they think.

Did you see that HBO, the part of that show, White Lotus, or something?

Yes.

There was like a three-minute clip.

I don't watch the show.

Where they found out that the women found out that their old friend they love and they adore, all of a sudden, she's like, very quietly, like, doesn't deny.

Don't you say she didn't deny she voted for Trump?

Yes.

Yeah.

And anyway, from a drama standpoint, it was so beautifully written.

Yeah, it was, it was nice.

And it's like, I think that they're coming to grips with the idea that they kind of like went too far in the world of demonizing.

You're making me think of something about like

when

like I've lost friends,

people that you probably know, like people that I've worked with

over Trump.

And whenever somebody, and I'll see it in interviews, they'll ask, what happened to Guttfeld?

And they go, oh man, he like, you know, he knew where, he knew

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It's like, I watch people try to figure out why.

Like, why do I support Trump?

without ever actually honestly asking why

everybody does.

It's like only the

I think that the belief is only dumb people do, but when a smart person does it, it's because they're selling out.

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You know, remember,

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I did not support him when he ran in, I'd say 2015.

But a lot of it was a coping thing.

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And

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A, I had a sunk cost that I'd already,

when you express criticism for something over and over again and you realize you might be wrong, you don't want to let go.

It's the sunk cost.

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I want to touch on two final things in our time remaining.

The Democrats are trying to figure out what they're doing.

I mean, look, the Democrat - Donald Trump controls the Democrat platform.

He just has to do something.

They do the opposite, right?

So the Democrat platform is completely controlled by Donald Trump.

Yes, exactly.

No, they will do the, they will do.

If he says, if he told the Democrats, don't punch yourself in the face,

they will start smacking each, they'll just break their own noses.

You know what it is?

It's the,

when you choose common sense as your higher, it's it's called the high ground maneuver.

What can let's say your opponent chooses the path of common sense.

What do you choose to oppose it?

Not common sense?

That's what they're doing.

They go, because there's nothing, if you choose, common sense is the higher ground, there's nothing around it

to stand on.

So you're stuck doing really stupid things.

On every 80 or 90, 20, 10 issue, you're choosing the bad guy.

You're choosing the Maryland dad.

You know?

You're choosing gangs, you're choosing pot farmers because you can't

match it.

You can't employ child labor.

Yes.

Which I'm for, by the way.

Those kids need to get strong.

You know what I'm saying?

It's underrated.

Their little hands are really good with fixing watches.

Clip that please and put that up there.

Greg endorses child labor.

Yes.

Greg, you will get more clips from Media Matters than me in this conversation.

So

they're clipping.

So Greg, but you live in New York City.

That is correct.

And you are witnessing the rise of an attempt by the Democrats to figure themselves out.

Yes.

I'm obviously talking about Andrew Cuomo.

Yes.

But so,

Mom Donnie.

Yeah, so.

God, you guys just misunderstand the guy.

You know, that's what the Dems are trying to do now.

Whenever a new socialist comes up, they act like

it's like, oh, no, this is a better version.

There's no such thing as a better version.

It's like ChatGPT 4.0.

It's going to keep getting better.

It's learning.

That's not

4.0.

It's still sh.

I got to use that for my show.

They'll just have to bleep it, though.

So you're on cable.

Yes, yeah, so they'll probably bleep it.

But they always, they always, like the issue with socialism is they always believe that it's, you know, it just hasn't been perfected.

Well, that was the whole point of capitalism.

Capitalism doesn't have to be perfect to work.

The only way socialism can work is if it's perfect, and that's not possible.

It's not possible.

The thing that kills me is they keep talking about, you know, he's really hit the cord on affordability.

You cannot find...

one example in history where socialism has made anything affordable.

It's only made things awful and good things more scarce and therefore more expensive.

So, well, on his grocery store plan, to his crowd, I love that.

I will say, New Yorkers will lose 15 pounds in like six months on his grocery store plan.

There'll be no food.

The only thing that can make the department

motor vehicles worse is if they sold food.

I mean, you know.

Get your number, wait for two hours for bananas.

I mean, I'm sure there are people here from like Pennsylvania or where you have ABC liquor stores.

I never knew that growing up in the West Coast.

Then I moved to Allentown, and I'd never seen a government-run liquor store, and they are depressing.

I didn't know that.

You would quit drinking.

But do you know what I do encounter in New Jersey?

Is basically pseudo-run gas stations.

You have to have an attendant pump your gas.

Oh, yes.

Like, what is that?

It's like the oldest regulation.

You got to wait for the guy, and he's using the restroom.

Like, I have to go.

It's that lost stillness.

This is why I drive straight through Jersey.

Quickly.

Quickly.

Oh, I was going to say another thing about, oh, the one thing people have done,

Zoran, the one thing that people are overlooking is that he says police officers should not respond to crime, that they should send people who are trained in it.

So when you have a subway maniac who throws a woman in front of a train or one setting on fire, you shouldn't send the police.

You should send a social worker.

I think that journalists should go find these social workers he's talking about.

None exist.

There's no social worker, no matter how liberal they are, will ever want to go down to the subway and address a maniac.

And

again, it's another case of a left-winger throwing women, literally at this case, under the bus.

Under the subway.

So, so, Greg, in the couple minutes we have, there's two things.

I do want to hit one of the, I want to hit two things quick.

I want you to give kind of a send-off for the college students at the end.

But first, you're a new dad.

Yes.

Yeah.

And

I was joking backstage.

He did have his first kid finally before Social Security hit.

Yes, that was my goal.

So

I have a baby girl, seven months old.

At the age of 60, which is

I still don't know.

It's impressive.

There's multiple reasons.

But I think that, you know, I think I realized that I would have been a lousy dad 10 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and then I don't know what it was.

I just realized, I think I can be a good dad now.

I don't know what it was.

That's my only explanation for why I just never thought I would be.

Well, I party pretty hard.

So I had to like, you know what?

Now I'm a normal person.

I'm going to, you know, I can do it now.

But I was a very selfish.

I'd say in my 30s, I think that's, you know what, there's your advice.

The most important thing you can do is don't be selfish.

I think I led a fairly selfish life in my 20s and my 30s.

And the most important thing,

probably the most selfish thing you can do is to be of service to other people because the high you get from that is amazing and it's going to make you a better person.

I led my, I think most of my life was

a purely transactional.

What can I get out of things?

And I think that's why I, you know, I think I felt like I've grown a lot in the last, boy, I'm getting serious.

Shut up, Greg.

So let's go deeper, Greg.

All right, Dr.

Phil.

Phil how has it changed

I have a doll here I'd like to show you

but all kidding aside I mean has it given you more purpose to your life well yeah and I mean I mean

it you end up being a cliche that's the thing it's like the cliche is the person who says my god when I had a child it changed my life well it's a cliche because

it's a what's called a transformational experience which is like you don't know what it's like until you do it.

And

it's a shame because there's a lot of people who, you know, terminate children without ever knowing that if they had the child, they would have, thank God they didn't listen to themselves.

But that's, you know.

Well, and I'll say, Greg, I want to just say we watch you.

Thank you for standing for the unborn.

The fight for pro-life is more important than ever.

So truly.

You got it.

No, that's really big.

Final thoughts, Greg.

Final thoughts?

I think the most important thing, and you're kind of already doing it, is to have fun.

You're the fun generation.

This isn't like, I didn't grow up with this.

You know,

as a right-winger, I had a hide, and all the left-wingers were the cool kids.

Now it's flipped.

So enjoy the flip.

Greg Gutfeld, everybody.

Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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