Debunking the Charlie Smears ft. The Thoughtcrime Team

All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

I am the executive producer of this fine show, Andrew Colvet.

And today is the day we have waited long enough to confront some of the lies, the out-of-context clips, the cherry-picking of quotes that people are, mostly on the left, are using to smear the legacy and the memory of our brother and our friend, Charlie Kirk.

And it is incredibly apropos that joining me today is our Thought Crime crew because

most of the clips that ultimately surfaced came on the show show called Thought Crime, which we would do every Thursday night.

And that would be with Jack.

There would be four of the five.

It would be Jack Basobic, Tyler Boyer, Blake Neff, Charlie Kirk, and me.

I was sort of a fill-in.

I was happy to be that.

Tyler and I would usually rotate.

And

the whole premise of the show was to talk about the Verbotin.

the Verboten.

And as soon as we started doing the show, we realized that, you know, you're not allowed to have fun anymore in America in 2024 at the time.

Most of of these clips came out, because Charlie had become so big.

Yeah, well, he had a lot of fun, actually.

But Charlie had become so big that he was looked at as an appendage of the Trump campaign.

And so if Charlie ever said anything that, you know,

wasn't actually on like the policy platform, for example, of the Trump campaign, they would, the Trump campaign would get calls, and then we'd get calls, and then everybody was getting calls.

And so it was one of those interesting dynamics that actually, in a weird, backhanded way shows just how huge he had become, especially in the campaign season of 2024.

So, yeah.

And, you know, I think something that we can really just all say, and I think we would all agree on, and Charlie would agree too,

just at the outset is this is all Andrew's fault.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

I think if

I do seem to be a repeat offender in these clips.

But listen, I didn't want to give any air to this stuff, especially in the immediate aftermath.

But

I think we are at two weeks and one day after it happened.

What a whirlwind it's been.

I don't think it was worth giving any oxygen to the haters, mostly on the left, because they were upset that Charlie was getting essentially cannonized before their eyes.

And he was their ideological opponent.

There's no doubt about that.

And so, you know, we.

But I feel like now's the time.

But you even had instances where, like, Barack Obama, like, the leader of the Democrat Party,

if you had to pick one man who's the public leader of the party, it's Barack Obama.

He couldn't even say Charlie's name without sort of going through this litany of, but I disagree on this and I disagree on this.

And

all of the topics that he mentioned, I think we played the clip the other day, we should probably pull that up, were from thought crime.

And it's like kind of

existential in a sense that stuff that from our Thursday night podcast is now coming off the lips of Barack Obama.

But at the same time,

he's doing so to impugn and smear and demonize, even in death, our friend Charlie Kirk.

Well, I was going to say

exorcential because it was like the devil himself, like having to say the word Charlie Kirk.

You could see him melting a little bit.

It was like the wicked witch.

It was like every time that he had to say the word Charlie Kirk, you could almost see.

Did you notice Hillary couldn't say the word

Hillary, when she went on MSNBC yesterday, she couldn't say the the word Christian.

Oh, yeah.

She said,

she was like, white males of a certain religion.

She could start like a far-right podcast or something.

She couldn't say the word of Christ.

Just saying.

So I just think it's apropos that you guys are here.

I'm excited to do this.

A lot of you have online, I've seen the comments, have been wanting

us to do this.

And it just didn't feel like it was the time, but now it's the time.

And we're not, I don't think we need to belabor

these points, but you know you know for for years on end or something but i think it's important to give a a vociferous and forceful rebuttal so here i want to start with my favorite one and that is about dei pilots do you think it's safe to say tyler that the dei pilots clip was the most viral thing that charlie had ever been associated with and it wasn't like you know it was wildly misunderstood, but do you think at that point it was probably the biggest clip of Charlie that had spread?

100%.

And here's, I wanted to piggyback on what we were saying before.

A lot of Andrew got the brunt of a lot of this stuff because

he was saying things that, again, the whole premise and setup of fought crime and a lot of the conversations that we had was Charlie was quarterbacking and then we were the ones, you know, kind of feeding into it.

I apologize for nothing.

Well, and Charlie would kind of cue it up and then Andrew would lean in on it.

But make no mistake, these were conversations that were being had in the background.

Of course.

And that's important.

By the way,

what's amazing is I was only a part of about 50% of the thought crimes.

So just imagine

how much more defending of Charlie would have to do.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Andrew was in the background of every shot.

Every conversation.

Every conversation, even if he wasn't on there.

He was the lucky Kinlinger.

He's like, he stepped back from the bonfire.

He was the guy holding the Kinling.

Every

gasoline.

I blame Blake.

Yeah, but no, just let's get into it because we've been telling you that.

Yeah, drive.

Blake's going to kind of drive today.

We blame Blake for enough.

Yes.

He's not getting blamed for this.

So I want to get blamed for this one.

Anyway, so the clip that's getting passed around a lot, this is one of the ones that popped up the most, is

people get really mad about what Charlie says about black pilots.

So let's just start with the original clip.

Let's do clip 168.

And that's why I think this United story and the DEI story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off and I feel better now thinking I mean like you want to go thought crime like I'm sorry if I see a black pilot I'm gonna be like boy I hope he's qualified well that's the thing you wouldn't have done that you wouldn't have you and that is not

an immediate no you wouldn't not who I am that's not what I believe is the reality the left has created

now that last part is really important reality

like obviously they're doing this thing where they just act like we just came in and we're just like, oh, we care about the skin color of who flies planes.

No, Charlie doesn't want to care about that.

The left wants to care about that.

So here's an important piece of context that this is basically what we were reacting to.

This is a clip of United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby making a pretty intense commitment to hitting diversity quotas at his airline.

Let's play clip 200.

How is diversity and diversity targets working into the Aviate Academy?

We have committed that 50% of

the classes will be women or people of color.

Today, only 19% of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color.

And by the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country.

All right, so can I just jump in here really quick?

This is incredibly important.

So

that is the clip we were, Charlie and I and everybody was responding to.

That right now they had 19% women and people of color in their pilot corps.

They wanted to get it up to 50%

for every new pilot corps.

Why is that a really dumb thing to do?

First of all, meritocracy.

Charlie believed in meritocracy.

Let the best man or woman win.

Second of all, Jack, riddle me this.

Do you know what percentage of new pilots that are training to be pilots, whether that's just getting their pilot's license or trying to go into an academy of some sort to become a professional pilot?

Do you know what percentage are women or people of color?

Is that 13%?

It's about 9%.

13%, that's a difference.

It's 9%.

It's 9%.

So that means that you're essentially trying to fill 50% of the spots from 9% of the population

of the...

You're saying not qualified, just training.

Just trained.

So these are people,

people who want to be a new pilot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like getting their hours, going through it.

90% are white males.

It just happens to be one of those professions where white males go to a lot.

So Charlie was making the point that if you are going to pull 50% of your pilots from 9 or 10% of the population of new pilots, then you're going to have to do something that is not in favor of meritocracy.

You're going to have to lower your standards to get them up.

So he said that if you impose this quota,

then I am going to start asking questions.

Boy, I hope you're qualified.

And he said, I never did that before, and I don't want to do it in the future.

All right.

So

we'll just continue along.

Because he gives a

Charlie himself offered some clarification on the pilot thing.

I can't remember off the top of my head if this is the same day or later, but let's play Clip 169.

And that's why I think this United story and the DEI story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off.

and I feel better now.

No, I mean, like, you want to go thought crime?

Like, I'm sorry, if I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

Well, that's the thing.

You wouldn't have done that.

You wouldn't have

done that before.

That's not an immediate.

No, you wouldn't have to.

That's not who I am.

That's not what I believe.

It is the reality the leftist.

I hate it.

So, you guys piggybacked off of me because you knew what I was saying.

Because what I was saying is that DEI creates and fosters sinful, unwholesome thought patterns.

because when they say we're going to hire people based on race and not competency, and so you start to just say, you know, what's going on here?

Blake, you're part of this.

This has gone so viral.

It's

22 million people have seen it on Twitter.

This is what I said at the end.

This is the reality the left has created that they crave.

Okay, I didn't realize I would repeat the whole first clip there.

Blake, that's why did you do this, Blake?

Yeah,

he was definitely trying to get

in the

by the way, it's like so much of what thought crime and even what we do on the regular shows is guys we live in clown world.

Okay, we and we are describing the clowns.

Yeah, we're right.

That's what we're doing 100% every day.

It is just straight like and it really the most obvious way to put it is just like look you guys can hire for diversity or you can hire for merit.

Those are mutually exclusive options.

And period.

By the way, Charlie was not saying that he looked at a black

pilot currently and thought those things.

He said he didn't.

He said, but if in the future you do x and y and z to hire based on some other feature immutable characteristic that is not linked to your ability to do the job then i'm going to start asking questions

they're taking charlie's clip and they're removing all the context of what's going on and the situation that he's commenting on and that's that's what you'll see throughout every single one of these yeah the we actually have we have another clip from charlie uh that more straightforwardly defends it let's play uh clip 204.

all right let me tell you exactly what i said.

Okay.

So this was in response first and foremost to United Airlines saying that half of all their new pilots that they're going to hire are going to be women or people of color.

Currently, they're 15%.

So they want to go from 15% to 50%.

A conversation then ensued about how every time affirmative action is employed, standards have to be lowered.

There's not a single instance where that does not occur.

So then I said, I said, boy, if I see a black pilot, I'm now going to wonder, is that individual qualified?

Were they selected because of their race?

Comma, but that's not who I am but this makes me think this way and I stand completely by that statement okay secondly let me just finish

DEI and affirmative action what it does is it lowers the merit it lowers the threshold of standards and increases things that do not matter such as skin color and ethnic background that last part is so key he's saying look if you guys like again you can hire merit or you can hire for a quota for DEI.

You can consider things like skin color and ethnic and national national background important.

And if you consider those things important, if you put them on the scales, definitionally, it is impossible that you will not lower the overall standards of the people that you are making into pilots.

And it doesn't just have to be pilots.

I think that's the example that stands out where a really incompetent person can just crash a plane and kill everyone on it.

But there's other things.

Surgeons, medicine.

Like, if you want to check med school admissions, MCAT, that's a test you have to take.

And we've historically had a lot of affirmative action in med school admissions.

So Asians are scoring higher than other people.

They're scoring higher than whites.

And then, you know, black med school applicants are getting lower MCAT scores, and they're getting into medical school with lower MCAT scores.

And this isn't because the MCAT is a racist test.

It's a measure of ability, and people are coming out different on that measure of ability.

And that's having ramifications at the end of things.

For example, like we, we,

you know, so Blake is a DEI hire,

you know, and bald quota.

People don't, because he's bald, And he's also 1% Inuit.

We don't talk about it very much, but sometimes he looks at dog sleds a little bit too long.

Come on.

And,

you know, and like, Blake, what's going on?

He's like, they're calling me.

So, yeah, but Blake is not Inuit as far as I know.

Are you in?

No.

Okay.

Anyway, so I would just say this feels like a very open and shut case because

they just wanted black people to think Charlie didn't think they could fly planes.

That's not what he said.

He said.

The core of everything was that this is corporate sabotage and it doesn't matter who they were talking about.

They could have said that Chiquita banana eaters are the only people that will hire.

It wouldn't have mattered what the topic was.

It's corporate sabotage.

It's either merit or it's a quota.

You cannot have both.

And we stand by Charlie in that statement.

We are debunking.

the lies and the smears of Charlie, taking him out of context posthumously, which is pretty sick, actually.

And we didn't want to get to this too soon because there's so much good that Charlie said and did that it was it just so outshadowed this stuff but every dog has his day and

I am like you know dog with a bone on this stuff because I was there for it and I saw it and I knew the discussion that led up to it go ahead before we even go any further right there'd be so many times where we'd be commenting on things that were going on in society, but we weren't actually giving our prescriptions for society.

And if you go through that, Charlie obviously spends a lot of time talking about clown world and he's describing the clowns and the clownish behavior that's going on in corporate America, et cetera.

But when you actually find the thread that Charlie always pushed for was a colorblind society, a colorblind society that said, let the best person be the one who gets the job, be the one who gets the votes, be the one who gets to be in leadership, whatever it is, a colorblind society with standards that are applied equally across the board.

So if you want to say that's equality, right?

Yeah, we want equality of standards.

Well, yeah, and if you think about it, and Blake, you could probably remember the quote better, but Charlie loved this quote.

I think it was one of the Weinstein brothers that said it, but maybe they were quoting somebody else.

Anyways, if you want to know the God of the age, just ask yourself, what are you not allowed to critique?

The line is attributed to Voltaire, and it's not from Voltaire, but it's one of the Voltaire.

But I think one of the brothers did say it recently.

But anyways, the point is, Charlie was fearless

on the modern god, the idol of DEI and

pulling the race card and all of this stuff.

Charlie, if you can't, maybe you can see it over Jack's shoulder, but we have a.

He put up, this is his wall.

Like, he picked these pictures.

I think his head's getting cut off.

That's Clarence Thomas over Jack's shoulder.

Charlie loves Clarence Thomas.

Dr.

Ben Carson, these are people.

Charlie was not racist, did not have a racist bone in his body.

If you're good at what you do, he loved it.

If you were a good family man, if you were a good father, he loved you and he supported you.

And I know he's got so many friends in the black community that defend him vociferously online, and I love that.

But just as somebody who can tell you,

from very up close and personal, there was not a racist bone in his body.

He was often accused of it because

so much of our modern society is oriented around what came out of the civil rights era.

So this is the new founding, this Christopher Caldwell

prescription of a new founding of America after the 1960s, in which we had, you know, basically, if you're a modern American, you have more reverence for the Civil Rights Act than you do for the Constitution.

Charlie thought that that was a problem.

It wasn't that he didn't like a lot of what the Civil Rights Act accomplished, or at least set out to accomplish.

It's that there was overreach that happened, and there was a new founding of America that was extra-constitutional.

But

I would even go so far as to say that I agree with Caldwell, and I agree with the left on this, and I think Charlie would too, in the sense that it was sort of a new founding of America because there were new standards that perhaps weren't intended, but that superseded the constitutional founding of America.

Yes.

And so Charlie was fearless in his critiques of this because he saw it as a core rot of modern American culture.

And that if we were going to get back to a colorblind society, a meritocracy,

a culture that was oriented around excellence and achieving great things and dreaming big dreams, that we couldn't, you know, it's like that verse that I posted on X yesterday.

Like, you have to throw off all that's hindering you.

You have to throw off everything that's slowing you down if you're going to run your race well.

And Charlie was such a pragmatist and such

an efficiency, you know, oriented person that he knew that this stuff was holding our country back.

And so he knew that he uniquely was suited as this, as the exact person not to talk about it to sort of crush the idols in the temple and in the high places and go for this stuff.

And yeah, he took a lot of slings and arrows, but in my opinion, looking back, this is some of the stuff I respect him most for.

But you look too at, I keep going back to that Hillary Clinton clip yesterday on MSNBC, where even in the wake of all of this, she goes up on MSNBC and

she, what is she saying?

She's saying, we remember, the target must be white Christian men.

Remember, white Christian men are the ones who cannot be allowed to be in leadership positions.

And, like, she's

almost undone.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree.

It's disgusting.

And, like,

like Charlie Kirk.

You know, just like Charlie Kirk.

Why didn't you just say it, Hillary?

Well, and he knew that he was at the vanguard of this stuff and that he was a representative for an entire generation of the lost boys of the West that had been disenfranchised by their own political leaders.

They had been tossed aside by a political establishment and a zeitgeist that vilified them, demonized them, and wanted to toss them aside.

When this is their country, too, this is where they were born.

This is what they've inherited.

And we were breaking the social compact with an entire generation of young men.

And I like to think that Charlie gave, when you start seeing these polls about who's coming, you know, who's voting for Trump, young men wanting to get married, young men wanting to have families, and young men wanting to go back to church.

It's because Charlie went straight at the idols of the age and he crushed them on behalf of us all.

Blake, why don't you take us to the next

debunking?

It's not even so much a debunking.

A lot of this is like just you need to have explanations in like more context.

So, this is the one that went most viral right after it happened.

You would see like headlines where people would post this, and it was Charlie saying that gun deaths were worth it to keep the Second Amendment.

That's what they would say.

It was like unfortunately worth it, is the exact quote they would have.

There's like a million examples of that.

I just shared one if they want to put it up.

But people would post those to like dunk on Charlie and be like, Betty would change his mind now.

And this one really disgusts me quite a bit, actually, because

it's not so much a lie about what Charlie said.

It's attacking him for actually daring to discuss a public issue the correct and honest way.

So we have a full quote from Charlie on this.

I can't remember where he said it, but it's clip 175.

Let's just play it.

So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero.

It will not happen.

You can significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home,

by having more armed guards in front of schools.

We should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death.

That is nonsense.

It's drivel.

But

I think it's worth it.

I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other god-given rights that is a prudent deal it is rational

so this is what makes me so angry about and there's even stuff in an even longer version before he says that he talks about uh i'll read this quote directly he says the second amendment is there so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government if that talk scares you Wow, that's radical, Charlie.

I don't know about that.

Well, then you have not read any of the literature of our founding fathers, and And you haven't read any 20th century history.

And then he continues: We must be real.

We must be honest with the population.

Having an armed citizenry comes with a price.

That is a part of liberty.

He gives the example: driving comes with a price.

50,000 people die on the road every year.

That is a price.

You could get rid of driving, have 50,000 fewer auto fatalities.

But we have decided that the benefit of driving, speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services, is worth that cost.

And then he goes,

that part we saw.

And it just disgusts me so much that people are dunking on Charlie over this when he's doing what any reasonable leader, a figure showing leadership should do, which is evaluating the honest costs and benefits of a policy.

There are so many scammer politicians and public figures who will only say there's only benefits or only downsides to a policy.

They'll say, oh, it's all upside, and people are opposed to this just because their haters are corrupt.

Charlie would actually come out and say, the Second Amendment has downsides.

We have more guns.

There is more gun violence in America than there is in the UK.

There's more gun violence here than there is in China.

But we have it for other reasons.

We have it because we are free citizens, and that helps us remain free citizens.

And then I just, I got so angry when I was talking about the market.

Well, not to mention.

Not to mention, you know, there was one of the stats we were talking about as Trump was cleaning up D.C.

was that there had been essentially about 1,200

murders in D.C.

since 2018, right?

1,200 murders.

It was a very murderous place.

Very murdery.

Very murdery.

And guess how many of them were white?

The victims?

How many white murders there were since 2018?

The victims or the suspects?

The victims.

11.

Yeah.

11.

Yeah.

Most of that

gun death is happening because of gang crime and black-on-black violence.

And Charlie was very honest about that fact.

Now, obviously, Charlie's own murder is something completely and entirely different.

This is a political assassination where Charlie was murdered because of what he said and what he believed and how effective he was and because of his Christian faith.

But what Charlie was getting at was that

there is a cost to every freedom that we have.

There is a cost to having alcohol on the shelves.

There's a cost to having licenses in people's pockets to drive cars.

Go ahead.

Well, just before we go to break, I would even go so far as to say that even in the sense that Charlie could comment on this,

he still wouldn't be for gun bans.

He still wouldn't be.

No.

And we all know that.

No question.

No question.

He wouldn't even be on the table.

Yeah.

No.

And so I totally agree.

This is a really good one.

You didn't really after Trump got shot?

It's a really sick one.

And if it would happen to any of us, he would have said the same thing.

Yeah.

And if, and, and we would all agree on the same

issue.

Honestly, he might have even managed to laugh about it.

He would have been like.

Probably.

Yeah.

And just be like, well, they kind of got me on that one.

Well, I hope, gosh, I don't know.

There's not a laughing matter, but it's I get what you mean.

But

he wouldn't have changed his position.

No way.

Not in the slightest.

So, yeah, Jack, you had a good idea.

I think we should go to sort of some of the breaking news around the ICE shooter in Texas yesterday.

Well, so we do have breaking news just in the sense that it's, you know, it just happened, but also it pertains to exactly what we're talking about right now in the program regarding the Second Amendment.

So this is from the post-millennial breaking the Dallas ICE shooter, searched for, conducted searches for ballistics and the phrase Charlie Kirk shot video and planned to, quote, give ICE agents real terror.

So, this is coming from Cash Patel, director of the FBI, that it seems like it's shaping up that

Joshua John, I think is how you pronounce it, was

a copycat of the Charlie Kirk assassin.

And he specifically conducted searches of Charlie Kirk's assassination before he conducted this attack on an ICE facility in Dallas.

I mean, which shows the interconnectivity between all of this leftist rhetoric that's happening.

I mean,

in your face is that all of the pro-trans, anti-ICE, pro-BLM, I mean, we're seeing nothing but trickle-down violence that's been there for years.

And this isn't new.

We've seen this since 2020.

No, and it's time for, it's high time for the federal and state authorities to just start doing something about it.

We need action.

Well, and I think this is actually, I cannot get this image out of my head.

Show image 141.

This is about political violence.

And if you notice on the left, that is.

That's what we were talking about yesterday.

Yeah, we talked about this yesterday, but it's worth reiterating because both Charlie's assassin, this ice shooter, the same with the

Catholic school shooter in Minneapolis.

These are young progressive men in that 18 to 39 cohort.

And look at that.

A whopping 30%

believe that it's justified at times to resort to violence to achieve political goals.

Thomas McCarthy.

Conservatives are

way below moderates.

Look at

the node on this graph that would most correlate to Charlie's core audience, 18 to 39-year-olds,

conservatives, are the lowest besides like 60-plus-year-old moderates.

So, is the most peaceful cohort is our audience.

The most radical, violent cohort are the people on the left.

And what this actually shows is that the left is pulling the people in the middle towards violence, which I think is the most mind-blowing piece of this: the moderates.

Look at the moderates, 60-plus picking up too.

60-plus are the least violent,

and moderates at 18 to 39 are being dragged

towards violence because of how radical the left is.

Yeah.

Thomas Matthew Crooks, also 20 years old.

Yes.

Yes.

So they're getting sucked down these little Discord chats and these 4chan chats.

I saw Media San say, oh, leftists don't get on, or I think he retweeted somebody, but he's like, leftists don't go on 4chan.

I'm like, yes, they do.

You obviously do not know.

No, no, no.

They've been doing it for years.

You obviously do not understand.

the world that a 20-year-old, especially white male, lives in.

Well, so 4chan has kind of evolved in from where it was in 2016 where it was heavily you know right dominated and like uh

you know just being there where there have been these brigades and attacks and there's there's leftists all over 4chan now and so that's why it's just not the same as it used to be as as horrible as it is not that i've ever seen it myself but people tell me that uh that it's quite different now but but that being said wait danny makes a good point here i want to make a point he says the real data is even worse this poll was taken after september 10th yes So 30% said this after

way higher, way higher before.

It was actually way higher before.

And it's also, and he makes another good point.

Danny's the man.

Charlie loved, gosh, Charlie loved Danny.

And he's such a great member of our team.

He said, worth noting for this that a lot of these famous shootings are in gun-free zones.

Yeah, by the way, I mean that.

I find that sort of silly.

I do want to add a lot of things.

Can I throw in this too?

What really gets my goat about this thing, too, is that

operation arctic frost which was going after which was investigating conservative organizations to have absolute

yeah turning point in specific that had no non-violent tendency or had all non-violent tendencies while the fbi could have been and should have been investigating and spending all of all their all their time and energy on this

on the violence that that emits from from Antifa, from all the left-wing organizations, from these cells of young men on the left.

Increasingly involved, like one of the Antifa, I would say, evolutions is that you see this trans ideology now infused.

And we haven't spent that any

near enough time.

We were planning all this week on talking a lot about Arctic Frost with Charlie or the last two weeks.

We haven't spent nearly enough time talking about all this, and it's yet to come out.

Well, what is Arctic Frost for people in the US that don't know?

This was

what was unveiled right in that same week that Charlie was murdered, was that Turning Point USA was being investigated during the Biden administration

by the FBI, tracking everything and anything that Turning Point was doing

to basically make criminals out of a non-criminal organization.

And by the way, I was told, just for people that are wondering, that that had been shut down immediately upon

cash getting control of the FBI.

So whatever that division was has been.

But that's the insanity of all this is we don't even know all the information that's that's pertinent to that but that's what the that's what our federal law enforcement agencies were doing instead of going after

the murderous

you know

basically hidden gang violence in plain sight with with mentally ill young men on the left and leftist organizations that are stoking this fire yeah and i do want to just say that

One of the pieces that we see in this profile,

it becomes a very sort of like, there's this weird talking point going on out there.

And I saw Lindsey Graham saying that we should like censor the internet now and get rid of,

like, was it section 302 or 203?

203.

Or, you know, 230.

230.

Yeah, you fried my brain there.

Yeah, section 230.

None of us have slept in like two weeks.

Yeah, exactly.

I know.

If you text me one more time and say, I look tired,

I understand.

That's what I felt.

My mom just kidded.

You look tired.

You need a day off.

I was like,

our moms must be coordinating.

Yeah.

I was like, yes, those are bags under my eyes.

Yes.

But here's my point.

Here's my point.

The radicalization doesn't necessarily take place on Discord because we've lived through waves of left-wing terrorism before in this country, the 60s and 70s, certainly in the

early 1900s, the late 1800s.

William McKinley, right?

We had a president of the United States who was shot in Buffalo, New York, by a left-wing anarchist who walked up and shot him in 1901.

That's how Teddy Roosevelt became our youngest president.

And And he didn't have Discord and video games.

And yet I keep hearing these

D.C.

Republicans say, oh, it's the video games and the Discords.

That's what we have to go after.

And it's like, no, no, no.

It's an ideology.

I'm telling you, it's an ideology that's driving all this.

I believe this very firmly.

That if I believe God was working through Charlie Kirk, both in life, but even he was leaving little Easter eggs for us right before his death, and Charlie was communicating these things.

And he sent a text to Stephen Miller and we've talked about it on the show, but it's worth reiterating now.

And he said his last text to Stephen Miller was, we have to go after the networks that are financing and fomenting violence and radicalization.

So there's a way to do that via Rico.

Blake would know more about that than I would.

But whatever that is, that's a piece of this, right?

I don't think it's, I don't think it's getting, I don't think it's suppressing free speech.

Charlie was a free speech absolutist, and it's not by calling things hate speech.

What we do also is we have to bring young men back into a place of centeredness.

This is why Charlie was so fixated on like building new homes, affordable new homes.

He wanted a moonshot for new homes.

We have to get young men to buy in and have skin in the game.

And how about also we stop demonizing young men as a society and blaming them for every problem that's in society, particularly young white men, where

you're to blame for everything.

It's your fault.

You're the ones who are responsible for all of this.

And Hillary Clinton, again, Hillary Clinton goes up on TV, and that's exactly what she said.

Isn't it so interesting that the demonization of young white men has resulted in the ignoring of the most mentally unhealthy young white men that are all on the left?

I mean,

truly, some of the outcomes that we have.

Well, yeah, it's like on the left.

So on the right,

it drives us to church.

And on the left, it drives them commit assassinations.

It's a nihilism because they don't have God.

Well, and they have no one actually looking after them.

Yeah, they know.

Because when you try to subjugate an entire population of people, it doesn't matter who it is

in whatever culture.

When you do that, what ends up happening is you have a pocket on your own side that just gets completely and blatantly ignored.

And that's what they've done.

They've essentially created this horribly

radicalized system now of men who are completely ignored on the right who have now been pushed toward God and and we're now picking up the pieces of that thanks to Charlie and then and then the the ones on the left that they're supposed to be responsible for that they're doing absolutely zero for and by the way by the way if you are a white male who's on the left

because you don't have those characteristics that would allow you to be like part of their hierarchy, then it might drive you to commit more extreme acts to show your solidarity and loyalty to the revolution.

Because leftist politics is dependent not on skill, it's dependent on loyalty.

I love this topic, but it's not debunking the lies.

But it is undergirding.

It's undergrading.

But here's the thing.

So this is funny.

Let's go ahead and show image 173.

This is an easy one we can get through in the time we have remaining.

This is a pic, a tweet commenting on CK going after Chenk

saying that time Charlie Kirk called an Asian woman in the audience multiple times.

Pardon my French, I'm just quoting.

He made millions off of his racism and sexism.

Not visible here.

That had 17 million.

That's sunk.

Five.

Sunk.

Sunk.

Sunk.

Okay, thank you.

So I apologize for saying that.

It was just in the tweet.

Anyway, so the point is, he didn't say it, okay?

He, so let's, this was, this was actually funny.

I remember, this might have been the first event I met Erica at, actually.

She was with us.

It was at Politicon

in like 2018 or something like that.

I forget something like that.

So let's go ahead and play the actual clip.

Charlie hated when this thing went viral.

This was Politicon.

He was debating Hassan Piker on stage, and then Chenk started from the Young Turks started chirping at him from the audience.

Who is Hassan's boss?

Who's Hassan's boss?

But by the way, it's interesting to note that at the RNC, Charlie and Chenk talked about this moment, and I'll never forget, because so Charlie actually went on their show and he's like, and he said, you know, I live like a capitalist every day, Chenk.

And

Charlie, to Chenk at the RNC in 2024, then said, I don't even know.

Like, what does that even mean?

Charlie was like, I've grown up a lot since that moment.

Okay, so we're going to play the Chenk clip.

This was,

of all the Charlie moments, this went viral.

We have to recitate it.

We have to say something right now.

It's Jank.

I know, right?

Like a J.

That's where this objection started.

Objections.

That's where it all started.

As an American, I should not be expected to know how to pronounce it.

I know, but if you're going to do it a name, I know

point of order, point of order.

If you're having an event with someone, you should know how to pronounce it.

I still didn't know.

I actually saw Jank backs.

That's right.

I got Postobiak.

Yatsky Postobiats.

So here's the actual clip.

Let's play it 174.

Okay, you're trying to attack me, which is ridiculous, like asking me what my salary is.

Sure, I'll reveal it willingly.

You brought it up in context.

I'm asking you to learn how to do it.

Why don't you live like a socialist?

Okay, go look at the light.

Live like a socialist.

It's larger.

The point is larger than that, Charlie.

I live like a capitalist every single day, Chank.

I live as a capitalist.

Okay, I live when I believe.

What do I do?

I get charity every single year.

Hold on, hold on.

What's my salary?

Hold on.

What's the difference?

Charlie,

come on, Chank.

Let's go.

Charlie, what are you doing?

Take a seat.

Take a seat.

All right, no, no.

Take a seat.

You're going to take a seat over here.

Oh, my God.

What's my salary?

All right.

Ridiculous.

All right, behave, everyone.

Jesus Christ.

Okay.

I practice what I preach.

Charlie, Charlie.

Yep.

Yep.

I love this moment, Andrew.

So funny.

Because this was the first moment.

And

this was Tennis Shoes Charlie era.

So this is when we were talking about the character.

Those were actually

Yeezys.

Was he wearing the Yeezys there, or was he wearing the Aedidist that we got?

I think that was the Yeeze.

You know, the thought occurs to me that's kind of funny is this is you know Charlie always was very much like he would try to

he would try to imitate successful people so he'd use a lot of like rush-isms because he's like well rush is the most successful radio host I should try to be like rush and all I'm thinking of when I saw that is do you remember at the 2016

I think was it the RNC or I think it was the RNC where Alex Jones

he went after I was literally standing next to that exactly I was there when it happened too

and I can't I can't always wonder if like maybe Charlie was like Alex Jones is really successful I should get in.

All I remember is that this was the moment where, you know, again, Charlie, this was the first time Charlie, and really one of the only times, truly, that Charlie went aggressive at somebody.

And

it was actually so incredible.

Like, the entire office was buzzing that we had a turning point.

I walked out with him.

I walked out with him and Erica, and I think Sarah was with him.

Sarah.

It was Sarah.

No, but Erica was there at that event, and it was in Los Angeles down at the convention center.

And we walked out and all of these young guys were like, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.

We were walking out.

But it is funny when you think about this in the context of Charlie's,

you know, as he matured and grew, and then he would eventually end up going on the Young Turks broadcast from the RNC and sort of say, I don't even know what that meant.

And then we had Chenk, of course, at Amfest, which was like a big scandal that we would allow, we would platform Chenk.

But Chenk was actually, you know, at the RNC, he was like, like, hey, listen, I vehemently disagree with you.

I think you're wrong, but like, let's, you know, he has this line, like, let's have a beer after.

And I kept thinking, Charlie doesn't drink.

But

although, although I will say, if you notice that clip, you can hear how hoarse Charlie's throat is when he's doing that.

That's where the mint tea comes from and the honey.

Yes, he started learning how to protect his voice.

So there is our dear friend's empty chair.

And

still doesn't feel real.

But his thought crimes remain.

But his thought crimes remain.

And he lives in all of us.

And God has a plan, and God has a harvest, and it's our job to step into it.

And so,

you know, and by the way, it's

you know, the audience has been amazing, and I'm getting so many notes about this show.

I think you guys are enjoying it, so that's good because we're having a good time.

I was sending him notes, but they weren't like that.

We're having a good time.

Before we do the next thing, really quick, I just want, since we were making fun of Jenk last segment, Jenk.

Jenkins, Jenkins, Jenkin Uyger, Jenkins, Jenkins, Jenk Uger.

That's how you say it.

I say it, Jenk Uger.

That is weird.

Jenk Uger.

Since we've been making fun of his name and making fun of his clashes with Charlie, I want to acknowledge there's a lot of people on the left who said really ugly and really nasty things the last two weeks.

Jenk has not.

Jenk said very kind things about Charlie.

He was extremely upset about his death.

I've got some of his stuff up here.

He says, you know, my heart goes out to his family.

F, whoever did this.

We are all now in danger.

Violence is always going.

He's been great on that, so I wanted to give him a shout out for that.

That's fair.

And speaking of,

he was a gentle.

gentleman, I will say, he was a gentleman.

Like, listen, I disagree with him completely, obviously.

And people get mad that we even platformed at Amphest.

He was so gracious.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, genuinely gracious.

He's just a rambunctious.

He's a genius.

Can I put the sentence?

He's rambunctious.

He's a lot of people have bad ideas.

Our back and forth with the young Turks is great, too.

It's like a great, it's great for America for the back and forth, the volleying.

And obviously, Charlie on our side is energetic, intellectual, non-violent debate.

That's what we want.

But Jake was also vocally oppositional to the biden kamala thing yeah and so leaning it's like people forget this is like of course we're gonna lean in on anyone the left that's that's going like basically at kamala that helps us and yeah and that helps us

keep going the next one this is also something that got dunked on really nastily by people uh we'll do the very short version that would get shared constantly on tick tock let's do the very short 186.

i can't stand the word empathy actually i think empathy is a made-up new age term that does a lot of damage.

Bam!

They would just use that.

They would just use that and crap all over him.

Oh, Charlie was evil.

Now we can, you know, throw a touchdown, you know, spike the football because he's dead.

We'll explain this out.

Let's do...

First, let's just do the full contextual clip.

This was way back.

I think this is like my first week on the show.

He said this, or working for it, back in October 2022.

Let's play clip.

170.

Instead, it is to say you're actually not in pain.

So let's just a little very short clip.

Bill Clinton in the 1990s, it was all about empathy and sympathy.

I can't stand the word empathy, actually.

I think empathy is a made-up New Age term that does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics.

Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy.

That's a separate topic for a different time.

So, first of all, a few important things.

One, this is clearly a like side remark he is making before throwing to a video.

This is not a speech he's giving to the entire world.

It's Clinton going, I feel your pain.

Yeah, exactly.

He's like riffing on that.

But the reason he's saying this, it's like, it's just Charlie fixating on the exact words that you use, which he often could do.

It's like when he would complain, Republic, not a democracy.

He didn't like the word democracy.

He hated the word democracy.

We're a constitutional republic with democratic.

I would always tease him about that.

I'm like, we are a democracy, Charlie.

Well, technically.

Yeah, exactly.

We just

everyone uses democracy to mean a country like, you know, the United States, at least before Biden and everything.

Anyway, but what he's getting at there is empathy versus sympathy.

So empathy means definitionally like the ability to get inside someone else's head.

You can get in their shoes.

You understand how they feel.

You can

sort of, as you said, I feel your pain.

I would even, I would even, it's not just that you, this is the key difference.

It's not that you, just that you understand, because I think that's still more sympathy.

It's that you actually feel what they feel.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, that's a good point.

And certainly that's what people often use it to demand of you.

Sympathy, which he preferred, is just the more straightforward

you see someone in pain and you feel

you are moved to pity.

You don't like them.

You want to help them.

It's much more in line with the traditional Christian virtue of charity.

You want to feel charity towards others.

You mourn with those who mourn.

You weep with those who are.

And that's what Charlie would prefer.

Whereas the reason he says it's kind of a new age psyop is they use that empathy thing for, okay, you have to feel the pain I feel, which means you have to basically do what I tell you to do.

It's a sort of morally coercive thing.

In a way, sympathy is not

Sympathy, you can have sympathy for someone and still say, you are incorrect.

Like, you even brought this on yourself, though I have sympathy for you and do wish to help you.

The best example of Charlie on this is Charlie on the Whatever podcast, where you can see he has sympathy for the sex workers and the OnlyFans girls who are there, where he gives them value, but also says, you shouldn't be doing this.

We should pull that clip.

It's such a good studio.

It's a good clip.

Blake and I were in the room that time.

Our good friends at Angel Studios, I love Angel Studios, amazing new film this holy week.

Phenomenal.

As I think about Charlie's life and how much of a support he was of Angel, it's hard not to feel so grateful for what he did.

He supported us in our darkest days and in our brightest hours as a company.

Jeff and I and Charlie were doing lunch together.

We asked him, he said, are you at all worried about one of these college campuses?

And he just said, with so much peace in his eyes and so much peace in his heart, if that's how God takes me, then that's how I'm supposed to go.

And I feel like that was a clear message that Charlie's life is a testimony to Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior.

And his relationship with him was the most important thing that he would want the world to remember about his legacy.

Man, are we grateful to have gotten to be a little connection in the multitude of connections that he made throughout his life because it was so impactful to us.

Thank you, Charlie.

Love you.

We miss you.

We're going to continue to drive forward the good news.

Oh,

we have the Hillary Clinton talking about the threat of white Christians.

Yeah, if we want to get back to that.

But anyways, yeah, let's.

I think we should have to play it because we...

Everybody needs to hear it.

Let me know when it's loaded, studio.

It's loaded.

Okay, 208.

Let's play it.

The idea that you could turn the clock back and try to recreate a world that never was dominated by, you know, let's say it, white men of a certain persuasion, a certain religion, a certain point of view, a certain ideology, it's just doing such damage to what we should be aiming for.

And we were on the path toward that.

I mean, imperfectly, lots of, you know, bumps along the way, but I agree with you, we were on the right trajectory.

When were we on the right trajectory?

She's telling the truth.

She's being completely honest about her goals and aims here.

That her target is the demonization of whites, of males, and above all else, Christians.

And so the goal of the left for, I don't know, when was this clip from?

Is this yesterday?

Yesterday.

Oh, my goodness.

This is how insane it is.

And she said, we were on a path to removing all of that from society.

Whiteness, which they openly talk about every day, men, which of course are demonized every day, and specifically Christianity.

And suddenly she says, and we're coming back to that, and we just can't go back to that.

And she's telling you she's afraid, so afraid of the Christian revival that is now happening in America.

That's why they roll her back out on MSNBC to remind everybody, hey, hey, we're supposed to be fighting this stuff.

Yeah, I think what's so damaging with this is that there's nobody coming out from mainstream media to dunk on Hillary Clinton for this is again this this point is so important for all of America to hear and to reiterate villainizing young white Christian men who Andrew just pointed out with the graph with the data that's out there are the least violent are enabling violence and and agitating violence on the left it was to be clear that was young conservatives of both genders probably but both sexes rather but uh yeah but but

we could understand yeah i mean Trump won

white males by quite a bit.

So there is crossover in those two courses.

Given that data with moderates, I mean, the moderates aren't young Christian males.

That's true.

Young white Christian males are becoming significantly more conservative, which is leaving behind this small fragmentation that are not being handled because of divisive statements like Hillary's, which hits the majority of the people who are.

I totally agree.

I totally agree.

I want to get to your point.

To Andrew's point, we did have a mass shooting of Christian children by a female, Audrey Hale, in 2023 in Nashville.

But again, this is a female who

was believing that she was a male.

Yeah, exactly.

All right, next one.

Biden execution.

So I'll admit, like in the days that followed, I think it was like literally the day of I saw this clip from somebody being passed around.

The day he, you know, I,

maybe it was the day after, because the day it happened, I couldn't go on social media at all.

But the Biden execution, I was like, I don't remember Charlie calling for, and I think they said publicly executed.

It was the quote I said, I was like, man, I felt a lot of it.

It was mixing up two things.

This happens to me all the time, too.

Like, the leado would be like, Jack Persovic said this.

And I'm like, I don't actually recall seeing him or anything close to it.

So this is actually the clip, right, Blake?

176 is the.

We can do both topics.

We'll do both things that went together because people did merge the two.

But we'll do the Biden one first.

Yeah, 176.

She gives these speeches, and it just has this aura of totalitarianism.

My team says she's Indian and Caribbean.

I'll tell you what, she would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden.

A lot.

I mean, Joe Biden is a bumbling,

dementia-filled Alzheimer's, corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.

But

Kamala Harris, my goodness.

There's something that just kind of is tribal where people are like, I don't know if I want this crazy person running the country.

Oh, man.

All right, so for the next one.

I need to definitely take some blame on this one.

I don't know for sure because I don't think we have records of that, but I'm pretty sure I was in the Telegram chat and I was like egging on Charlie where I was just like, Biden stinks, he should be in jail.

Okay, so

can I explain this dynamic?

So when I first met Charlie, Charlie was against capital punishment.

So he did not believe.

So then Blake joins the team and blake is i would say if you're radical on one issue it's it's probably that issue uh blake blake wants to bring back like you know capital punishment in all various forms and uh you you can i know sometimes you're like joking but sometimes it's hard to like figure out what what that is but in general i would say your position is that capital punishment takes too long and you know you're essentially 20 years later somebody eventually gets put to death for a crime they committed sometimes the victims families and their loved ones have passed on themselves.

Like, you know, you've got people that barely remember the crime that are witnessing it, and

it ceases to have

the effect that capital punishment is supposed to have, which is a deterrent effect, right?

And so your point is like, hey, listen, if we have somebody, we know they did it, it should happen quickly.

Although, so that's not, so that's not what we're getting at.

But I know

the Biden one, what we're getting at is...

But that.

With the Biden one, what we're getting at is really he was trying to basically just drive home.

The reason he would sometimes speak really intensely about Biden in that way is he really wants to drive home how

disastrous I don't mean disastrous how like treacherous treason is

so I don't even fuss over using the word treason you did you kept like you kept trying to tell us not to use the word treasure but then it's just like the Biden situation at the border was basically total open border you can get in if you use about 10 different code words you can come in like we have not just people coming in from Mexico or Central America we have tens of thousands of people coming in unchecked from China, from Mara,

from Pakistan, from like the worst places in the world.

No Czechs could be here for any reason, any sinister reason.

Spies, militants, drug dealers, gangsters, all sorts of this stuff being deliberately enabled and just let along.

And we were like, we should actually come out and be like, okay, substantively, at what point are you just, as a leader, like midwifing an invasion of your own country?

And at that point, that's like treason.

And so that's what we were were getting at with that.

Plus the marriage of the Biden family with all these foreign entities.

I mean, it just,

it never has been talked about.

It never has been truly investigated.

It's never been, the time has not been spent, certainly from the mainstream media.

And so, yeah, I mean, the invasion of our country, I think, is married directly to that.

And that has to be still discussed.

And every time Trump opens his mouth about it, it's like he gets slapped down by anyone and everyone.

And Charlie was one of the only people people that talked about it, and God bless him for it.

Yeah.

And then, so that the Biden one then mixed up with the other one.

We had a great conversation on thought crime.

This was back in February 2024.

Thank you, Media Matters, for continuing to be a great clipper of all thought crime content.

This is basically how we found all these matters.

He was literally doing this last night.

Media Matters.

I don't think we have this clipped right now, and it's pretty long, but I want to read the quote because it's amazing.

So this is...

I remember this.

Oh, wait, wait, can I give a shout out?

Because

Media's lies is actually clipping our show live right now great

thank you very much media lies which is way better than

way cooler than media matters but i am still grateful to sending them

for their diligent work on our behalf uh so this was charlie saying you know my other problem with the death penalty it takes too long too many appeals tyler says it's too expensive and then charlie says it should be public it should be quick and it should be televised and then uh

Tyler pointed out, he's like, the last execution in France was the guillotine in 1977.

That's true.

Yeah.

And then then 100% they used it all the way till 1977.

And then Tyler says, that's so cool.

So the point, again, the point is, yeah, the point is.

So he never said the word children.

No.

Well, so what happened was

it should be done in public and people should watch it.

And then he threw out,

how young do we do that?

And I said, I said, 12, maybe?

Oh, I remember that.

Yeah, I remember this.

And again, the point is, look, you can disagree with this sentiment.

That's totally fair.

But again, there is a difference between when the state arrests somebody for a vicious crime

and

a jury of his peers pronounces him guilty in the first degree and there is capital punishment and that that person should be

should the sentence should be carried out.

And by the way, I just want to say by the end of Charlie's life, he was pro-death penalty.

I remember asking him that a couple months ago.

Are you sure

you're that you believe that the state has the right to

punish him that's been going viral?

And he said, yeah.

Yeah, he said, absolutely, absolutely, no.

And that was an evolution for him.

And this is the point where

this is the point with that conversation: it was that the public knew about what was going on.

It wasn't about

the grittiness of it.

It was about the public knowledge of

capital punishment.

That's the whole point of capital punishment.

You know, it's funny.

I was telling a very prominent Fox News host this morning, I was texting back and forth with this person, and I said something

that

struck me even as I said it.

I was like, wow, that was really succinct, and I'm going to remember that.

It's that I said I was closer to Charlie than basically anybody outside of Erica, maybe Mikey or whatever.

And it strikes me that I was so close to him and yet

how much he reminds me of, I'm not equating the two, but how much his life reminded me of the example of Jesus Christ.

Like, so

to be that close to somebody and to see it up close and to see how well he lived out the lessons of Jesus in the Bible, again, I'm not equating them.

Charlie was an imperfect person.

He's a human.

It's how Charlie emulated his life.

He emulated from the example of Jesus to be Christ-like.

So he was actively trying to be like, he was trying to be like Christian.

So you're just recognizing that Charlie was doing it.

But it's amazing to, it's, it's striking to me that I got to be so close to it and how true and honest that's actually the way that I saw Charlie.

How he lived his life was so

Christ-like.

And especially as he got older, he got more and more Christ-like, and his policies got better, and his positions got better, and his arguments got better.

And that was an outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the wisdom of God that was coming out of Charlie.

And I just think that's remarkable that I was that close.

And I genuinely really feel that and believe it.

He was so thoughtful about the way that he approached every question and every personality and every person.

And that was part of the thing, I think, that was a lot of his Christ-like ability was was that he studied the scriptures every single day.

He was very prayerful, extraordinarily focused.

But every single person that approached him, similar to some of the stories about Jesus, was that he would be thoughtful.

It was never just like shoot off the hip, off the cuff, dismissive.

He was never that way.

Interpersonally, he was amazing, and he was always so encouraging.

It didn't matter if he were somebody famous or somebody completely obscure, he was always the same and very thoughtful.

And I think that's what enabled people to follow him, like that discipleship analogy, is that so many people he was able to gather and have follow him that were able to get the work done.

I completely agree.

And one of, I mean, do we want to get to the civil rights thing now?

We'll get to it if you're not going to do it.

Let's do another shorter one.

Let's do the wives submit to your husband's wife.

We kind of talked about it.

Again, this is like barely even a smear.

It's just people deciding to be nasty.

It's people that don't understand that as a Christian we believe the Bible is infallible.

This is the simple thing.

It's like Charlie is a Bible-believing Christian, and the Bible says a a lot of things about marriage.

It says stuff in 1 Peter chapter 3.

It says stuff in Titus, chapter 2.

It says stuff.

Titus, Tetus, whatever.

Colossians, chapter 3.

And Ephesians chapter 5.

Colossians.

Colossians?

That's how I've heard it.

Colossians.

They wrote it to Rhodes, right?

Yeah,

Colossus's.

Colossians.

Colossians.

That's what it's too, right?

It's weird when you hear it wrong, and then you're like, wait, did I?

Yeah.

Anyways, keep going, keep going.

I have to first find out if the epistle to the Colossians

is...

The Colossians.

But did he write it to Rhodes?

That's why I'm trying to.

I don't know know if you guys are.

Oh, it's Colossa.

Dang it.

No, it was a Colossus.

It was of Rhodes.

I know, but I thought it might be like the people of the Colossus.

But there is an actual city named Colossa.

Dang it.

No, continue.

177, right?

Okay, anyway, yeah, let's do.

Well, that's 177 is just a photo of him tweeting it.

Or debunking it already.

But this is not even really a debunking it.

It's more like Charlie actually lived his life as a Christian, so he would emphasize.

Yeah, he would talk about wives submitting to your husbands.

Let's do 178 as an example.

This is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative.

Engage in reality more and get outside of the abstract clouds.

Reject feminism.

Submit to your husband, Taylor.

You're not in charge.

And most importantly,

I can't wait to go to a Taylor Kelsey concert.

I can't say it without laughing.

You got to change your name.

If not, you don't really mean it.

Congratulations, Taylor.

He did not get enough credit for how funny he was.

Yeah, it was great.

Wait, he evoked Taylor's name, so we got it.

That was another one, I think, where I just threw in, like, right as the segment was, she should change your name.

And then he figured that out.

But yeah, it's like, but Charlie was also very clear about what that meant, like, that, you know, husbands are supposed to lay down their lives for their wives as Christ laid down himself for the church.

That's the comparison that pops up in the New Testament.

It's that the relationship between Christ and the church is like a husband and a wife.

That is like the ideal they are setting.

And so what does Christ do?

Christ leads, but Christ also sacrifices himself on the cross for the church.

Husbands are supposed to lay down their lives for their wives.

And as we know, Charlie lived that.

Charlie did that himself.

And Charlie gladly did that all the way to the end.

This one has very few teeth, in my opinion, because people have gotten to see Erica Kirk and the strength that she has.

And by the way, this is breaking news.

I'm just going to do it right now.

Yeah, I'm going to do it.

Erica Kirk is going to be on this program

tomorrow.

She will be on this program tomorrow.

So set your calendars.

Make it an alert.

We are going to have Erica Kirk on the Charlie Kirk Show for the first time since

all of this has happened.

And she is going to talk to the Charlie Kirk show audience.

So, we're very, very honored that she is going to be making the time.

She's not like Charlie in the sense that she's doing this podcast and this podcast.

She is a grieving widow.

She is got a lot on her plate.

Wow.

And the fact that she's doing this with us tomorrow

is a real treat and a real special honor.

I mean, you wouldn't believe the type of inquiries of the people that want to talk to her.

So, she wants to talk to you in the audience, real Americans and the people that love Charlie.

And so, that's where we're going to do it.

Tomorrow, we will have Erica Kirk.

Andrew, and she's actually, as we speak right now, this is what I've been, somebody was like, Andrew's busting time for being on his phone.

Erica's actually on a Zoom call with all of our staff right now,

getting everybody organized, working with everyone.

She's a true CEO.

She is at the, like, as we speak right now.

That's what we're doing.

And everybody is working

full steam ahead here

to

answer the calls behind Erica's leadership.

And so I'm excited to see her tomorrow because there's a lot to cover,

but she has been an incredibly brave soul through all of this.

And

it has emboldened all of us.

Well, and this just goes to show you, there's a clip of this actually African-American woman who, or a black woman,

however we like to say it on the show, we usually use

the latter.

But

she's so sweet.

She said to Charlie, she said, you know how I know Charlie she didn't like Charlie at first and she started following the things Charlie said though at some point and she's like you know how I know Charlie Kirk was right about this stuff because when I did the things that Charlie encouraged me to do my life got markedly better better

and you can see that the way that Charlie viewed marriage the way that the way that the Bible prescribes a healthy and godly marriage is amazing.

And Charlie tweeted that after.

He said, God's design for a marriage is amazing.

And now you see the kind of woman that is involved in a healthy, balanced relationship where they are not rivals.

That line was so powerful to me.

You are not your husband's rival.

Erica said that at the event.

We have that if we want it.

Sure, if you want to play it,

yeah, let's do.

I think these go consecutively.

I'm having rivals when we didn't play it yesterday.

Yeah, let's do.

How about we do?

I think 121 and 122 are consecutive.

Might have to flush this real quick, but let's do that.

Let's do 121 immediately immediately followed by 122.

To all the men watching around the world,

accept Charlie's challenge

and embrace true manhood.

Be strong and courageous for your families.

Love your wives and lead them.

Love your children and protect them.

Be the spiritual head

of your home.

But please be a leader worth following.

Your wife.

Your wife is not your servant.

Your wife is not your employee.

Your wife is not your slave.

She is your helper.

You are not rivals.

You are one flesh working together for the glory of God.

Amen, Erica Kirk.

And I would say that Erica Kirk is the debunking, the living embodiment of

this critique of Charlie.

It's not really like a lie.

It's like he really believed this.

You just hate the Bible.

What it is, and

by the way, I could sit here for an hour and talk about how just remarkable it is that Erica is doing all of this while going through this at the same time and being there for the kids and all of it.

It's incredible to witness, just incredible to witness.

And I mean that truly, and as someone who I can consider a friend, and

that

there are so many people who just don't understand Christianity.

And I said this the other night on one of the interviews is that when they watched that

memorial service and they saw so many aspects of Christian society that aren't normally infused in public society, in the public space.

So certain quotes from the Bible, which, by the way, go up against what?

The secular idols of the age, right, that we've been talking about, like what thought crime is all about.

That's one of them right there.

This is a biblically ordered marriage, a biblically ordered relationship.

And when you see these things in public, it can be confusing to members of the media or people who are raised secularly or live secularly that just don't get it and don't understand what we're talking about because they're so far removed from the Bible itself.

And so I think it's amazing to actually just be able to show that, that, yeah, we have strong wives.

Everyone, you know, every one of us that's married, we have very strong wives and we're very blessed to have wives that are far better than we deserve.

And that's great.

Now, that doesn't mean that, you know,

we sit there and play the old game of like, you know, happy wife, happy and wife, you know, or any of that.

But it's, you have to be a man who's deserving of that.

Tyler just said in the chat, they're all blonde.

That's true, actually.

It is more generally, it's interesting.

My wife's blonde.

Your wife's blonde.

Your wife's blonde.

Nerica's blonde.

Nerica's.

I like brunettes.

We're going to get like a bunch of people.

I like brunettes too.

And then I met Tanya, and I was like, okay, we're going blonde.

All right, there we go.

You know, in general, I kind of wanted to flag this just because it is so interesting after the memorial.

Some people have basically come out and been like, like, they're deeply unsettled that there was this big event where people were praying and, you know, talking about

normal.

Yeah, so Thomas Chatterton Williams, he's just this very funny guy.

He's a writer at the Atlantic.

He's written, you know, he's kind of one of those centrist writers who's respected or whatever.

He's not nuts, but he had this response where he tweeted,

I've spent half my life, half of my adult life, living in one foreign country or another, and I don't think I've ever felt as estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement, meaning the people at our memorial.

Not even a criticism.

I just feel more at home in Greece than in these images.

And it's, you know, images of Arabic.

And then Matt Walsh was like.

Yeah, and then Matt Walsh was like, then leave.

Then leave.

And that's like a good answer.

Then leave.

If you can't handle American popular Protestant culture, like, you don't like America because we've had this since the Great Awakening.

Yeah, and you know, there's this idea.

Well, America's always been a Christian majority nation.

A Christian majority, but also just very culturally, it is low church Protestantism is like the big thing that has contributed culturally to Americanness.

Well, and the founders said over and over, all of this is for a Christian nation.

And if you walk away from, with, you know, the flip side of that being that if you walk away from Christianity, none of this stuff is going to work.

John Adams, he warned us.

Sure did.

So

I think that's really spot on.

And I just, again, I'm just going to reiterate that

Erica is the living embodiment of the debunking of the fact that Charlie was anywhere, anything but 100, 1,000% right about husbands and wives.

And by the way, it was always just funny to me that every time Charlie would utter the word Taylor Swift or the name Taylor Swift, that it would just explode and there would be like 15 articles written about it and poor Daisy and Emma would just be freaking out because they're huge Swifties, which, you know, listen, this is a free country.

They are free to make mistakes and that's fine.

No,

I actually don't have any animus towards T.

Swift.

Or, what is it, Travis?

Taylor Kelsey now?

Is it going to be that?

Do you think she's...

No, is he going to be wearing the dress?

That's what I wanted to say.

It's Travis Swift.

So is she going to wear the talks and he's going to wear the dress?

We're being bad.

No, it's Travis Swift.

No, I'm saying.

He's a very effeminate man.

He's a very effeminate man.

He's a ball player.

He's very effeminate.

I listen to him talk.

He's very effeminate.

Okay, well, maybe.

Yes, we have no animus towards Taylor Swift or anyone.

I mean, you guys might.

I don't.

I don't.

I don't share the animus.

I've always been very clear about that.

And we're going to go to the next topic because

Jack's probably going to get written up now and say.

I've already been written up now.

Charlie's going to get blown right on.

I'm going to say you say now.

It's just not the way it works.

All right.

And by the way, you know, you guys have been so sweet.

I've gotten, I mean, I can't keep up with the messages like Charlie does, but so many of you are asking how you can support us or help us.

And I just, I know that God has his hand on this show and on Charlie's legacy and what Erica is going to, going to do with this, and she is behind this 100%.

I told, I've told this before, but Erica gave me a couple directions in the immediate aftermath.

And it was, you're our spokesman, go out and be a spokesman.

Okay.

do the interviews.

Okay, I will do what Erica says.

She is our leader.

She's the beating heart, the spiritual center of Turning Point and even of this show.

And then she said, You got to keep the show going.

And so we're going to keep the show going.

And I know that you guys have heard that message loud and clear.

I said it in my speech.

And if you do want to help us, that's so sweet of you to ask.

People keep asking.

So I'm just going to do this once.

I hope this isn't.

you know, come off weird or anything, but you guys keep messaging.

So we do have the shirts.

If you want to get the shirts at

the,

you can do that, and so many of you have, so thank you for that.

And if you want to become a member, members.charliekirk.com, we're still doing the members stuff, and we're still going to do members' calls, and all of that stuff is going to keep going.

So please do those two things, and it means a lot, and you're

helping support us in kind of some uncertain times.

So it's very great.

We're very grateful to you.

Let's go to the next clip.

We'll go ahead.

Oh, just because we haven't mentioned it yet, we should throw a shout out to Megan Kelly for the

great event last night.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, thank you for reminding me.

Virginia Tech, Glenn Young, Megan Kelly.

3,000 people.

At 3,100 people.

We are so limited by the venue sizes.

So we have a couple of events coming up that have about 9,000 seats or almost close to 10,000.

So we'll be able to fit more and more people in at some of these.

Some of the venues are just smaller.

But I'm sure we could have filled up a 9,000-person venue last night with Megan Kelly and Glenn Young at Virginia Tech, but it was amazing and such a success.

And I have so much respect for Michael Knowles, who's been a friend for a long time, and Megan, who's been a friend for a long time, never met Glenn Youngkin, but I have respect that he came out there and got behind what we're doing here at Turning Point.

And the show must go on, the tours must go on.

AmFest will go on in December, and so much more.

We have a lot of plans that are getting formulated as we speak.

So Charlie's legacy and his goodness and his mission blesses us now, even still, and we are going to be good stewards of that energy.

Charlie would demand that we capture this energy and help this country.

And, you know, we're doing it for Charlie.

We're doing it for America.

And we're doing it because

we love the Lord, and the Lord has his hand on this, and we believe it.

So let's go to the next one, Blake.

What's the next?

I think we have to go to Civil Rights Act.

We have two big topics to hit, and I think Civil Rights Act is the better of the two to start with.

So this is again, this loops back to the DEI pilots thing, which this is like the big miasma.

I think this is one of the ones Obama literally attacked us over, the stuff he said about this.

Sure did.

And

it's just,

let's start with like kind of this montage that from Charlie.

Let's do clip one seventy one.

And the Civil Rights Act, though, let's be clear, created a beast and that beast has now turned into an anti-white

weapon.

This topic would have been even more forbidden four or five years ago, but it's now becoming in more and more mainstream circles.

Is that because the problem is becoming worse, or but our side is more courageous to confront it?

The present reality, not the ideal, the reality of the Civil Rights Act and how it's being used is making it harder for us to pursue excellence as a society.

Here's a fact.

Since the Civil Rights Act passed, I think that it's fair to say any sort of racist sentiments that earn America have gone, at least individually amongst white people, towards black people, have gone away.

What I'm trying to counter is the reason we talk about race so much is because we have a federal holiday to a guy that talked about race all the time.

We celebrate the Civil Rights Act more than the American founding.

That last part is really the core.

That really bothered Charlie that

we would honor

the second

foundation, if you will.

The third, really.

He ascribed to the Caldwell theory.

So this second founding superseded the actual founding.

So yeah, there's this book that everyone should be aware of this book because it's very important, even if you haven't read it, though it's not long.

It's called The Age of Entitlement.

by Chris Caldwell.

I think we've sold more copies of that book for Chris Caldwell than any

quite possibly.

And to be clear, Chris Caldwell is a guy who is, do we have that in the B-roll?

Put it up if you can.

216.

I think we just got it.

And

so this guy works for, he writes for the New York Times.

He's not an obscure person.

He is not a, like, he's not a nobody.

He's not this big winger.

And what he says in the Age of Entitlement is he basically says that in the 1960s, we sort of re-founded America on, you know, the civil rights stuff that we passed.

And we basically took America from the original constitutional order to a new new one where basically America's chief purpose is being like anti-racist and like pro-equality, but sort of not really.

Which is what everyone on the left believes.

Yes.

They openly.

Hillary Clinton just went on MSNBC and explained, this is what we believe.

Yes.

And so what we've gotten is we've gotten a new reality where everything we do basically revolves around

like the pursuit of this new civil rights order.

And we're about to go to a break.

I want to explain this.

There's kind of multiple pieces to it.

This is something people are going to have to know going forward, because this is a core part of this admin and kind of what modern conservatism is.

Continue on, because this is a deep, deep well.

So, this is what you'll see.

Whenever you see these Charlie clips, what he'll say is he'll say the act had good intentions, it had bad long-term consequences.

Bad outcomes.

And this is very true, because the Civil Rights Act and other laws like it

basically just said, oh, you can't racially discriminate against people in hiring and various things.

But the way it basically immediately was used by bureaucrats, by activists, and most importantly, by judges and the courts was to mean the exact opposite of what people thought they were passing.

Instead of it's illegal to discriminate, it became it's mandatory to discriminate.

This came from a thing called disparate impact.

If you haven't heard of it, it's still very important in your life.

Disparate impact is a court doctrine where if you do something, like if you have a task to hire someone, if you have some sort of hiring standard, and it it produces a disparate impact, it doesn't affect everyone equally, different groups pass it more than others, then it can be used to find you're violating civil rights law.

The obvious problem with this is everything has a disparate impact.

Literally, everything.

No one has found a test, a standard that does not apply differently based on your sex, your race, your religion.

Not because those things guide it, but because they just don't have an equal outcome.

This gets into the very same problem as DEI that we were talking about, where Charlie was for a colorblind society based on merit, based on who's the best for the job, the slot in Ivy League or any school, and that equal standards should be applied.

And suddenly we have this new piece of legislation that's like,

well, again, well-intentioned, but it creates these systems that Blake is going through that really kind of take us to places that I don't think were intended at all and certainly are not in line with our founding.

Exactly.

And the important thing is it basically, since everything has this, it essentially made everything illegal.

And as a result, everything is just subject to the whim of bureaucrats.

And this is where it gets really toxic.

How do you know whether you're violating this law?

Well, basically everyone's violating this law.

So it's just, does the government like you or not?

And one thing this does is it causes this endless escalation where that's why we have like the tyranny of HR directors is that everyone's like, well, how do we prove we're not violating the law?

We don't have, you know, our company's demographics don't match the U.S.'s because almost nobody's does.

Our hiring does not match the demographics of who applies.

So we need to, you know, juice the numbers a bit.

So we do these big diversity initiatives.

So like that's kind of what United is going for.

When United does their announcement, oh, we're going to have 50% of our pilots be from these groups, they're trying to say, look at us, we're trying really, really hard to comply with this.

Don't sue us, please.

Another thing we get is we get these hostile environment things.

A side effect of of these laws is you can be found liable for creating a hostile environment against people based on what you say.

So for example, if you're in a large workplace and you say, I think we should hire on merit and not have affirmative action, you can be dinged for creating a hostile environment towards groups.

So we have rule by the most plausibly offended people.

Rule by the offended.

That is not an American value historically, but it is kind of this invisible dictatorship we've lived under for decades.

And Charlie read Caldwell's book.

He was very aware of this.

And he talked about this.

And he wasn't afraid of this.

He wasn't afraid of topics that were awkward.

And he would confront the fact that we have sacralized a law.

And he basically is saying, other than the Constitution, we shouldn't really do that.

We shouldn't treat a piece of flawed legislation passed by Congress, which has become more flawed thanks to judges, as sacred scripture.

And again, Hillary Clinton, right?

She goes right up there on MSNBC and reiterates it.

She says, this is what we're for.

This is what was before, and this is what we're pushing for now.

And to summarize, I think this in a succinct way, Charlie was not against the

purest motives.

I think there were some impure motives behind passing the Civil Rights Act.

I think there was some political calculation done by

LBJ.

But nevertheless,

the intentions, many of the intentions were good.

The law had

had

problems, and it has created more problems.

It created, as Charlie would say, a leviathan of the administrative class, which eventually morphed into the commissars of wokeness and HR managers and DEI directors and all of these weights that held us back as a society from being able to achieve great things, right?

This is why people like Elon Musk, that have achieved truly great things, hate this stuff too, because because they know that in practice of building anything, this stuff weighs you down, and we must not let that happen as a culture.

And Charlie was fearless about confronting these things.

And to this day, it's

some of the most respect I have for Charlie and the stands he would take.

He knew he was going into a very, very controversial topic, but that never stopped him.

Blake, take us away.

Alrighty, so we're continuing on this civil rights to EI topic.

This is one that went viral.

Another total smear, total lie against Charlie

was that people were just posting that Charlie claimed that black women didn't have brain power.

Yeah.

Never said it.

Do we have the exact quote he said?

Just never said it.

Well, do we have the exact quote that they were making up?

Well, why don't we just go bomb with Obama?

I want to get the

1900 because

what people were saying, let's see, we have a fact check from yahoo.com, which apparently still exists,

That supposedly the quote was, he said, again, this is alleged.

Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously.

This was shared on Twitter.

Never said on social media.

This is a lie.

This is a lie.

We're starting off with that.

So let's go.

First of all, let's do clip 192.

Joy Reed and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks.

We would have been called the

racist.

But now they're they're coming out and they're saying it for us.

They're coming out and they're saying, I'm only here because of affirmative action.

But I rise today as a clear recipient of

affirmative action, and particularly in higher education.

I may have been admitted on affirmative action both in terms of being a woman and a woman of color.

I hear because of action affirmative.

She can't even say that.

We know.

We know.

It's very obvious to us that you were not smart enough to be able to get in on your own.

So, yeah, so, and though there's another thing where he took

like quotes, and we put this on Twitter back in 2023, it's like, Joy Reed, I got into Harvard because of affirmative action.

Sheila Jackson Lee, I rise today as a clear recipient of affirmative action.

Michelle Obama, I wasn't supposed to go to Princeton because my high school counselor said my test scores were too low.

And so, Charlie came out and said, okay, you guys are all admitting you couldn't have gotten in if you had a different skin color and a different sex.

If you were white men, you would have not gotten in.

You're saying, I deserve to get in, not because of my abilities, but because of my demographic categories.

Charlie opposed that because Charlie favored treating people equally.

That's what he said.

And in this case, he was referring to these specific women.

These specific women came out and said themselves, I was not good enough to get in without affirmative action.

Okay, thanks for letting us know.

Yeah, and I remember with Michelle Obama specifically, I remember we quoted Christopher Hitchens, who had some very searing commentary about her college thesis.

So I remember we talked about that, and Charlie talked about that at the time.

He said, quote, anyone who has read Michelle's college thesis, a document so illiterate and incoherent that it was, uh, that it was written, as Christopher Hitchens put it, in no known language.

He's being like a little mean to her.

It's not a great thesis.

No, but the point is, Charlie was just saying, like, you're admitting that you couldn't get in on your own merit.

Now, okay, to be generous, you could say that the world was a different place when they were getting in, and there might have been actual bias.

I don't know that that's true.

I kind of don't believe it.

But nevertheless,

there was a version of American history in which, yeah, there was a bias against

having a black woman

at Yale or Princeton or something like that.

Nobody who has taken the words out of my mouth.

Yeah, nobody alive today has lived through a period where there is actual legal or institutional discrimination against the people.

You're getting to a deeper point that if you are of a certain age.

Except for white men.

No, I said not any people, those people.

But you're getting to a deeper point, and that is that if you are of a certain age, and you could basically cut the line at about 50, Jack, I would say.

If you are a black person in America over 50, you look at the Civil Rights Act as a

this,

you have canonized the Civil Rights Act, right?

You have, you look at it as, as a, almost like a tribal marker, and it is something, this is why the devotion of the Democrat Party over 50 is so,

like, it's like, it's, it's,

I, I, I wouldn't, I would say like you look at that as the real founding of America.

Sure, right.

The promises of the Declaration of Independence finally coming to fold fruition didn't apply to you until 1950.

But under 50,

if you're under 50, you are not connected to that in your in living memory, right?

You're not even connected to it from a cultural standpoint, and you are less loyal or less tied to it.

And that's why you're starting to see black, especially black men under 50, they are breaking more and more away from the Democrat Party because the results have been abysmal for them and their people and their families.

And so that is, that you're starting to see that.

But it is sacrosanct if you are over 50 to attack the Civil Rights Act, to attack it.

And even Charlie would say, I'm not attacking the intention.

I'm just simply saying

it created certain problems.

And that, I think, is a fair reason.

By the way, that's for whites over 52.

Yeah, sure.

I totally agree.

I totally, actually, that's a really good point.

I totally agree.

And a lot of this really weird and suggested head during the Obama era, right?

Which is that he weaponized all this.

Because he weaponized all this.

It laid pretty vacant for many, many years.

And the radical left starting the Obama era, which is what Charlie grew out of during the Chicago shadow of the Obama era, is where this started.

That's actually the most interesting part about the entire story of Charlie Kirk and the heroism of Charlie Kirk is that he came out of the shadow of the Obama era where all of these problems came from.

And that's the bridge.

The bridge is Chicago boy Charlie Kirk was the only person a lot of times standing up and using his platform to fight these battles that were basically triggered during the Obama era.

So we need all of this flows into

the final boss of the coup de grace is

we are at the mountaintop.

So this is the big controversial thing.

Charlie said controversial things about Martin Luther King Jr.

This was brought up by a lot of people in the wake of his demise.

And obviously Charlie and the Reverend King have a grim thing in common now and we should acknowledge that.

Neither of them deserved it.

Exactly.

Neither of them deserved it.

And

so I want to preface this with that, but we're going to continue to to hear these criticisms so we're going to confront them all of this kind of goes back to a segment of our show a couple shows we did in

early 2024 MLK Day was coming up and the first thing that's kind of funny about it is it's like an accident all it was was at the end of one of our days shows Charlie basically teased.

He's like, I'm going to have Blake write up a little short thing on Martin Luther King because he's not everything you've heard said about him.

And we're going to do it.

And it got noticed.

He takes one step back because he said something at Amfest.

He got asked a question about MLK at Amfest, which would have been like December 2023.

And he said,

I think

he tried to add nuance later to it, but he just said he's not a good guy.

And so then a reporter called me and said, We heard some rumor that you guys are going to be doing an MLK show.

Not true.

I don't know where this reporter got it, but then I forwarded it to Charlie.

That was weird.

Was that wired?

It might have been.

We haven't reacted to this.

Let's do clip 188.

It was literally just, you said, you know, MLK day is coming up, and we were going to do a show that day.

So he's just like, you know, there's a lot of stuff people don't know about MLK.

I'll have Blake go look something up.

And then someone at Wired, I guess, saw it.

And they usually cover like Bitcoin.

Blake, Blake,

that's the bad guy you have on your staff.

And then they send us that irate email.

And it's like, well, we can't back down now.

Now we got to go.

Yeah.

We really got to blow it up.

And the way I'm wired is that the more opposition i get from i kind of then want to lean in and it was so how dare you or we're going to punish you or we're going to hurt you it was very almost quasi-threatening in the way that they were communicating yeah and it gets it exactly what you said at the top of the hour that he is the most sacred figure of the 20th century And that was the context we gave to it, which was there was a poll at that time, you know, approval rating of different figures.

And MLK was the highest, 96% approval, higher than Jesus of Nazareth.

So MLK was more than a hundred years ago.

Well, that's more popular than Jesus.

So the fact that the Civil Rights Act was more revered than the Constitution, the fact that Juneteenth was more revered than July 4th by some, not really.

I don't think that's quite as true, but by some, or at least it was competing with July 4th.

And the fact that MLK was more revered than Jesus Christ, these things fundamentally

ate at his crop, and he wanted to confront them.

Yeah, and it was like MLK is basically America's national saint figure.

There's, I think, some theological assembly of mainline Protestants proposed that his words be considered divinely inspired.

Wow.

Like scripture.

There's a lot of over-the-top stuff.

And so that's what he wanted to confront.

It wasn't even, it wasn't MLK is bad.

It is MLK is flawed.

Let me tell you what Charlie said to me in private, and he might have said this publicly too, but Charlie said, listen, I think the country had gotten to a point where somebody like MLK was needed.

And I am happy to acknowledge that that needed to be MLK, and he did some good things.

He said some good things.

He also got more radical towards his death.

He got more connected with communists.

And there was a financing network that was propping him up.

And he also,

for being a reverend.

You know, this is just the truth, right?

That he had a lot of mistresses and was, you know, I'll never forget.

I was with Charlie.

Well, he was, when he said Charlie's a bad person,

Charlie said he's a bad person, he was talking about he's not a good Christian.

He cheated on his wife all the time.

He was talking about he's not, this is like

he had a different woman in basically every town that he would call.

And the FBI tracked this, which, you know, we can get into his rights and

the FBI infamously wrote him a letter kind of suggesting he should.

Right.

Yeah, listen,

I'm not saying that MLK didn't do some really important or at least contribute to some really important changes and good things, and his peaceful protests were largely

really important

and good.

It could have been led by somebody who didn't believe in

peaceful protests.

It's true also that they intentionally would goad certain police departments and things like that.

It's a lot of nuance, is all I'm saying.

But Charlie privately said we probably needed him

in that time, but to completely sanctify and not deal with the truth, the whole truth of who Martin Luther King was and what he actually did and some of his flaws would be unfair to America.

And to treat a lie and to canonize a lie can be problematic, right?

So every country has its myths, its founding myths.

And if we're talking about the second founding of America, you have to be careful about the myths that you put forward.

And Charlie Mann, I remember that was where he said, like, you know,

this is a golden calf you are not allowed to go after.

And the way Charlie was wired is

he wanted to go in on it and really expose it.

Would you agree, Blake?

Yeah, we have a couple more close welcome to play, but it's very much like Charlie cared a lot about the truth, so he wasn't going to sacralize somebody if he knew something about it was more complex than that.

Well, I'll say this.

I was with Charlie and a black pastor, and we talked about this issue.

And the black pastor was saying, I'm going to help you, but you got to understand.

And he's like, well, am I wrong about the philandering?

He's like, oh, well, I'm okay.

He did like that.

And he did a lot of that.

And we know it, but we just don't like to talk about it.

I was like, okay.

All right.

So we have a pair of clips here that I think is good to push together.

And one of the first things, so what happened is, since that wired guy called,

we kind of did two hours on him.

The first thing we did, we talked with a,

I can't remember who it was,

Everett Everett Elvis.

Yeah.

So we talked to him for about an hour.

And then he basically had me on and is like, all right, Blake, tell us what you have.

But I think it's noteworthy.

One of the first things he asked, lay out what are the unimpeachably good things about MLK's life before we criticize him.

Let's remind why he became so revered.

And he asked me that.

Let's play 189.

What are the good things in MLK's life?

Obviously, Jim Crow, as it existed in the South still in the 50s and early 60s, in terms of restrictions on voting,

segregated buses, segregated public spaces, that was all bad.

That was all evil.

And it was good that MLK campaigned against it.

MLK himself was a non-violent person who always promoted non-violence.

He rejected, he enraged a lot of people on his own side who wanted to be more like violent revolutionaries.

With the I Have a Dream speech, that's good.

Which he didn't write, but he did.

Which

he delivered it.

And he gives other speeches as well that are looking towards a colorblind world.

He does in his Poor People's Campaign, which is his last big campaign before his assassination.

Yeah, it goes on a bit there, yeah, that he in the Poor People's Campaign, he's saying he cares about, he explicitly says, white poor people are victims as well as black poor people.

I'm not going to just racialize it.

And I also love to point out his speech at the When Rosa Parks gets arrested, the Montgomery bus boycott.

That's, in my opinion, actually his best speech, where he just tees up, where he's just like, you know, if what we're doing here is wrong, then the Constitution of the United States is wrong.

If what we are doing is wrong, Jesus of Nazareth was just a utopian dreamer who's like, he's irrelevant.

If we are wrong, God Almighty is a good idea.

Well, if he's going to say,

and his most famous speech, of course, his most famous line is about judging people by the content of their character and not by their race.

And I think that's something that everyone agrees with.

And part of the issue...

Everybody.

Everyone here.

Yeah, I think everyone here.

That we agree with is that, to your point, I was going to say, these policies that we've been critiquing fall short of that standard.

A thousand percent.

Fall short of that.

And that's what gets you to the point where there's an entire industry built around DEI that

exists to uphold those false standards.

And so if the standard is going to be, which we can all agree on, right, we're going to agree on this, colorblind society.

Judge people by the content of their character.

Okay.

That means one standard for everyone in everything.

You know, it's crazy, too, is that, you know, two thoughts.

Not everybody likes that quote from M.O.K.

because conservatives grab it.

And

they think it's like a whitewashing or a,

because he was very radically progressive towards his death.

M.O.K.

was.

Yeah, we have

that on the next clip.

And he, and they don't like us.

You said say something nice.

No, I know, but they don't like us cherry-picking that clip because they're like, he was way more progressive than that.

I know he was.

And so some people don't agree, and they hate that we latch onto that clip.

And then, you know, what's also fascinating.

So Martin Luther King has, what, like a 99% approval rate, 96% approval rating.

At the time of his death, 75% of the public disapproved of MLK.

That's correct.

75%.

I just Googled it.

It's right here.

So it's just fascinating, too, how

those things move and change over time.

But one of the reasons it's become that way is that they sealed the records on his death.

His family locked down that estate.

And he, you know, we weren't able able to discover some of the not-so-good stuff, right?

And again, I grew up, you know, believing MLK was, you know, one of our American saints.

I really do.

Yeah, totally.

And that's how they do it.

And I still feel

a genuine gratitude for, like you said, Jim Crow and fighting some of this stuff towards him.

But I also love knowing all the truth.

I love knowing that he had issues, that he was a flawed man, that he wasn't some, you know, second coming of Jesus.

That's important.

That's important to know.

So, okay.

So, I guess since we're wrapping up the MLK thing, we should probably get the actual, as we mentioned, he was getting more radical near the end of his life.

Why would he have such a high disapproval rating before he died?

I get into that.

Let's play clip 190.

The Detroit riots in, I believe, summer of 67.

43 people die in that.

That's more than died

in any of the riots.

You know, in actual rioting stuff, as opposed to just murders because it was mayhem and such.

Dozens of people die there.

Dozens of people die in Newark.

You have thousands of buildings getting burned down all over the country.

And his reaction to it is sort of, it's interesting.

A few months before is when he delivers the line, a riot is the language of the unheard, which we heard over and over again in 2020.

When the Newark riots happen, it goes for like a week.

It goes for about a week.

And his advisor, the communist guy, who was with the Communist Party USA, he's telling King, you've got to say something to condemn this.

And King says he doesn't want to do it because he says, I don't want to deliver a condemnation

without

also condemning the causes that lead to riot that sounds like dlm

yeah and he he even quotes uh in a speech he quotes alexander dumas i think that it's like with their acts of darkness like we have to blame who created the darkness and so he says there's all these crimes but the greater crime is that created like by the white society he says the white society created it.

And that's a whole speech.

I'm going to say here.

The final line from Charlie in that clip.

I don't know why it gave me the chills.

He's like, that sounds like BLM.

Because it does.

And, you know, I'm reminded, like, AOC was saying this during Floyd de Palooza and all this stuff that

rioting is the cry of

oppressed people, right?

And

listen, I would.

By the way, that is so relevant to what we've seen after what happened to Charlie because we didn't riot.

We didn't burn.

Although Charlie was certainly oppressed.

He was.

And he was the voice of a group that has been increasingly villainized.

And, you know,

he really was their champion in all of our champion.

And so that's, you know, but he was everybody's champion.

He believed in freedom for all people.

He believed in freedom for every race,

every American.

And he wanted a restoration of the founding ideals because he saw very clearly that the racializing and the grievance politics led to massive division, strife, sectarianism, and he hated it.

He didn't want a Juneteenth.

He wanted everybody to love July 4th.

Well, at the heart of Charlie Kirk, from the very beginning, since the day I met Charlie, who was, again, extraordinarily young man, the bondage of bad policy was always at the core of Charlie's message, which was that, and that was from the very beginning when we talked about, you know, very often the government spying on you and being in the middle of your business, and all the way to, you know, these very intricate topics of like we're talking about the Civil Rights Act and what the repercussions of it all were.

There is a

tying of hands that happens to the American populace, particularly when bad people take advantage of it.

And Charlie talked about that from day one to his last dying breath on this earth.

And that's what you have to respect about Charlie Kirk is that he was always consistent.

Well, folks, if we missed anything in this episode, please send us your emails at freedom at charliekirk.com.

Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

You know, I just realized that was the shirt.

We're going to be continuing tonight on Thought Crime.

Yeah.

Are we sure we want to go for that?

We're going to go for that.

All right.

All right.

We have a lot of topics that people are messaging me about and going, what other things, people?

When are you going to get into the other things?

And that's going to be tonight live on Thought Crime.

Yes.

You know, before we we go out, I just want to kind of close by reminding people, you know, the stuff that gets passed around in the end,

some people are just getting bamboozled, but a lot of people are taking this.

They know they're taking it out of context.

They know they're misinterpreting it.

They are deliberately avoiding

a chance to get more than one.

Am I not be telling the truth about this?

And they're doing this.

They're doing this because they want an excuse.

They want an excuse to do what they already want to do, which is to justify what happened to Charlie or to celebrate what happened to Charlie.

And so, as soon as it happened, instead of being horrified, their thought was, I need to go immediately find a reason why I'm going to celebrate

his legacy.

And that's not going to happen, and we're not going to let it because the truth will set you free.

And guess what?

The truth is:

the truth is, is that Charlie was one of the greatest men I've ever known, if not the greatest.

He was fundamentally good, decent, true, loyal, generous, and kind.

And he was kind to everybody he ever interacted with.

And that's just the fact.

Unless you came at him in bad faith, he was kind and patient with you in debates, even.

And so

that's the truth.

He was a good Christian man who loved his wife and loved his kids and set a very high bar of behavior and standards for the rest of us.

And these are lies.

And I hope this was edifying for you all.

It was certainly fun for me.

Thanks, guys, for joining me.