The A-List Stars Admit Defeat to Charlie

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You wouldn't think, but alas.

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Speaker 2 Alex is the best, and she is just

Speaker 2 wonderful. And she's on it.
She knows where the movement is going. We are going to get into this Epstein smear job from the Democrats because it's important to hit this apps, actually.

Speaker 2 And we're going to be talking about

Speaker 2 pop culture with Alex. Because before you were Miss Maha, you were

Speaker 2 like politics and you were really focused on. You still are tuned in.

Speaker 3 I'm still tuned in. Yeah.
So I have a lot to say about some happenings in pop culture.

Speaker 2 And there are some stories that are actually important to understand if you're out there.

Speaker 2 If you're just like a pure politics junkie, more like I would call, I would consider myself more of like the politics culture, you know so socio sociology junkie i it's kind of like the confluence of of where these macro trends are taking our culture but the part of that is what's happening on tick tock and pop culture and we need to be sure that we're paying attention to this and we're going to also bring uh daisy uh phelps from our team in because you know she's she knows this stuff too something about ballerina uh ballerina yeah we're going to talk about kelsey ballerini's new song and what it means for the culture yeah ballerina's very deep stuff anyway so i want to i want to get in first though with this uh what's happening with this Epstein thing.

Speaker 2 So I actually,

Speaker 2 we were going to bring it up yesterday, but there was things coming out that I wanted to make sure that we waited on just because I was, frankly, a little distracted with H-1Bs, which I think is a way bigger deal than what some emails that the Democrats released.

Speaker 2 So essentially, here's the backstory. James Comer had subpoenaed these documents, I think, in August, from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
So here's the deal. So they subpoenaed these documents.

Speaker 2 They get them during the shutdown. And the Democrats end up releasing select emails.
Okay.

Speaker 2 And when they do this, and they're redacting the victim's name. Now, the Democrats are going to say they were mandated to do this, but these documents already existed elsewhere.

Speaker 2 We already knew who the quote-unquote victim was.

Speaker 2 And she was a victim, Virginia Guffrey. But we already knew because they were corroborated with other document drops.
So we knew this was Virginia Gruffery.

Speaker 2 And the emails go like, I want you to realize this is Jeffrey Epstein to G-Max.

Speaker 2 I'm not exactly sure who this is.

Speaker 2 But I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump. Victim, Virginia Guffery, spent hours at my house with him.
He has never once been mentioned, police chief, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 So and I believe this could be Wolf, if I'm not mistaken, which is a New York Times guy that was basically acted as a consultant. So you got a journalist, quote unquote, working with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 So another one, victim at Mar-a-Lago. Trump said he asked me to resign, never a member.
Of course, he knew about the girls as he asked Ghelane to stop. So, okay, Trump asked.
This is from 2019.

Speaker 2 This is another one they released.

Speaker 2 And then Michael Wolf. I think you should let him hang himself in reference to Trump.
This is from 2015 to Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the House, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you.

Speaker 2 Or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt.

Speaker 2 Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime.

Speaker 2 So this is what's wild. So we get all of this stuff.
Hey, Blake, are you there? Can you hear us? There he is.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Okay. Is it working working out? All right.
Excellent. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wait, we're having us.

Speaker 2 Is it Michael McCoy now?

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We're going to save that for later. He's now.
We're going to save that for later.

Speaker 2 So basically, here's the deal, though, Blake. These emails were selectively released by the Democrats.
But the victim we already knew was Virginia Guffery.

Speaker 2 And here's what we know about Virginia Guffrey. They redacted her name.
She has exonerated President Trump, saying that she never saw him do anything.

Speaker 2 She actually, her dad is now on record saying that she wanted him to be present because he was going to release the information on Epstein.

Speaker 2 This is a complete and utter nothing burger from what I can tell. Blake, do you agree?

Speaker 2 It's not a total nothing burger because what we are also getting is, and this is like really funny, we're getting a lot of other emails. So we're getting...

Speaker 2 uh you know larry summers the former president of harvard and we're getting his emails with epstein which if nothing else, are really funny. There's a few exchanges that are very funny.

Speaker 2 One is where he

Speaker 2 sends a message to Epstein where he says, like, is it true that Donald Trump uses cocaine? And Epstein just replies, hey, could I have Harvard give a give a guided tour from the

Speaker 2 development office, the fundraising office? Could they give a guided tour of Harvard to this like Rothschild heir that I know? And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I could set that up.

Speaker 2 And so that was very funny. And then there's also one where it's Larry Summers.
There's really no other way to describe this.

Speaker 2 He's, as a 60-plus-year-old male, is talking about how he's trying to date this woman, and she's giving him these mixed signals, and like, oh, she, like, invited this other guy. It's like reading

Speaker 2 an eighth grader or something talk about women, and it's the former president of Harvard who, I can't remember, did he get a Nobel Prize in economics? Something like that.

Speaker 2 So it's not a nothing burger. We have a lot of funny emails that we should highlight instead.

Speaker 2 Well, Larry Summers was the director of the National Economic Council and the chief White House economic advisor during Obama. So, he's not nobody.
And actually,

Speaker 2 he predicted rightly that the overstimulation of the economy under Biden was going to spark inflation. So, he's not a dumb guy, but

Speaker 2 these are people that Epstein was interacting with

Speaker 2 at a massive level. But

Speaker 2 I want to play some of these clips here for us because now we have a ton of new information about you know just how

Speaker 2 much of an own this was let's go ahead and play 288.

Speaker 4 She wanted Trump to be president. It was because he campaigned on releasing the Epstein files and she was excited about that.
So yes, we talked about Trump a lot.

Speaker 5 As a crusader to release the Epstein files in that sense.

Speaker 4 She was very excited that he had made that one of the main planks of his campaign and she felt validated by it.

Speaker 5 But she never talked about him in any sense that he was involved in any of this.

Speaker 4 No, no, he was not, as far as she knew, and again, she was there for two plus years.

Speaker 4 But as far as she knew, he was not involved in the ring of trafficking that Epstein was working.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so that is, it's not Guffrey talking herself, it's someone talking about her. So get me the name of who that is, by the way, guys.
But this is somebody, obviously, in the know that knew

Speaker 2 Virginia Guffrey and basically said she wanted to elect Trump. Trump was not implicated in any of this scandal.
And here's when you know it gets really bad for Democrats. CNN is even calling them out.

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Speaker 2 So we're talking about the

Speaker 2 Epstein nothing burger. I'm going to call it a nothing burger.
Blake is right. There are funny and interesting things like, you know, Larry Summers exchanges.

Speaker 2 There's also accusations by Jeffrey Epstein that he was somehow spending Thanksgiving with President Trump.

Speaker 2 But then we look at the flight logs and the travel logs during 2017 when this allegation is made, and President Trump is doing official business.

Speaker 2 He's also spending Thanksgiving at Mar-a-Lago, which Jeffrey Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago in 2007, which leads to the whole point, is that this all reads as some elaborate hoax.

Speaker 2 Jeffrey Epstein's obviously lying.

Speaker 2 He hates Donald Trump because Donald Trump was one of the few people in this elite upper tier of society that basically called him out as the creep and the criminal that he was, banned him from Mar-a-Lago.

Speaker 2 Alex Clark, what do you think?

Speaker 3 Well, that's exactly what I was thinking the whole time you were saying this. I was like,

Speaker 3 why is he writing this in the emails when everyone in this circle of Palm Beach knows that Trump was like the one person to go toe-to-toe with him and be like, you're a weirdo. You know,

Speaker 3 stop hitting on these young girls.

Speaker 3 And And I think President Trump is a father. He's very protective of his daughters.

Speaker 3 I think he could see him for what he was from the get-go and was very quick to call that out.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe not from the get-go, but eventually he figured it out. And Trump, he said he got pissed off because they were stealing his employees from Mar-a-Lago.
He didn't like that.

Speaker 2 And it creeped him out. And he warned him a couple of times to knock it off and get out of there.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I look,

Speaker 2 I keep drawing the line back to 2024. You know, they tried to put President Trump in jail for 500 years.
They tried to cripple his empire. They tried to cripple him financially.

Speaker 2 They came after his family, tried to put his family in jail. When none of that worked out, they tried to kill him.

Speaker 2 This is like the fifth time on the Epstein stuff with President Trump. The walls are closing in.
The walls are closing in. But now, no, no, no, this is really important, though.

Speaker 2 Like, there's actual work being done. I just pulled this up.
Operation

Speaker 2 Dirtbag.

Speaker 2 ICE arrests over 150 criminal aliens and sex predators in Florida crackdown That was that was today that was this week that that happened so we this administration and President Trump are going after actual sex predators But you didn't hear about it This is the fifth time around on this you didn't hear about it on purpose this whole thing is operation get distracted because they lost bad on the shutdown And so they're they held this thing they put in their pocket.

Speaker 2 They didn't coordinate with the

Speaker 2 the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee. None of that.
They just released three selective emails that all sort of made made Trump like death by innuendo, is how Bill O'Reilly's putting it.

Speaker 2 And that's exactly right, because here we have Ghelane Maxwell said Trump didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 You had

Speaker 2 Professor Dershowitz, who talked with

Speaker 2 Epstein and said, did Trump do anything? No, he didn't do anything. And you had Virginia Guffrey say Trump didn't do anything.
This is all a cheap optics scam. And guess who's running with it?

Speaker 2 Well, sadly, we have to talk about it because we have to clear President Trump's name. But guess who else is talking about it? All the media apparatchiks across the spectrum.
Guess what?

Speaker 2 They're not talking about how the Democrats got absolutely hosed in the shutdown. They dragged the country through the mud for 40 plus days.
And guess what else they did?

Speaker 2 They lost the economy, about 1.5 trillion in GDP just by shutting down the government.

Speaker 2 All of that carnage is now, they instantly flip the page like it never happened because they lost bad.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and we also need to just kind of acknowledge that this is Democrats taking advantage of conservatives in our infighting right now. We have a fractured coalition.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of infighting on the right. We just got pumbled in the most recent election.
We're not looking great coming into the midterms.

Speaker 2 And so this is the left coming in at a fragile time for us on the right. But a fragile time for them too, Mikey.
That's the thing. A fragile time for them too.

Speaker 2 So this is them trying to clear up the government shutdown L that they took. And then on top of that, this is them trying to take advantage of us and our infighting.

Speaker 2 All right. I totally agree.
But they're experts at it, and they have the media apparatches that'll play ball. I'm gonna play cut 287.

Speaker 2 This is Jasmine Crockett getting owned on CNN about this this redaction that uh was was completely it was all for show. Just to make it look serious.
287.

Speaker 7 The email right here on your screen. Um she wrote a book, as you know, and she did not accuse him of any wrongdoing.
What do you make of that? And can you confirm that?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I don't know. Obviously, it's redacted who the victim is.
So I won't necessarily take the Republicans' word on who it is that's redacted.

Speaker 8 And I don't know why they would necessarily redact someone's name who

Speaker 8 is deceased at this point.

Speaker 7 The Democrats did that, though.

Speaker 3 The Democrats were down there.

Speaker 8 No, no, I understand, but I'm just saying, like, our biggest concern is to actually make sure that we are protecting victims. And obviously, she wrote a book.

Speaker 3 She told her truth.

Speaker 3 Wait, so then she's admitting that we're telling the truth. That was weird.
She's like, they're not telling the truth, but then, like, explaining that.

Speaker 2 That was left-coded language. She told her truth.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So it's not necessarily Jasmine Crockett's truth is what she's trying to say. But listen.

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Speaker 2 All right, so we added yet another Daisy Phelps, who is like our resident, when Alex is not here, she's our resident pop culture expert. You and Emma, you keep us informed.
So there's, so

Speaker 2 this is the theme,

Speaker 2 which is ironic coming after Jeffrey Epstein, like the most anti-family topic you can imagine.

Speaker 2 And yet, here we pivot to Hollywood pop culture, and there is a theme emerging, Alex, that some of the brightest stars that are, you know, young stars are now defending the idea of family, and they're fighting against this prevalent anti-family messaging that we've always associated with Hollywood.

Speaker 2 Am I summing it up somewhat accurately here?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you are. I was so surprised the songs that are coming out, the statements that are coming out from A-list stars defending having children,

Speaker 3 slamming hedonism,

Speaker 3 essentially, and talking about how they just want to have, you know, kids and there's nothing wrong with it. And in fact, saying it's weird if you brag about not having children.

Speaker 9 I mean, this is a total, complete 360 from the messaging that we've had the last 10 years and it seems like overnight this year there's been a shift well and i think so a couple weeks ago we had talked about when the the member called in there was a new tailor's office song about how she just wanted to have kids and settle down and people were saying that was trad wife or alt-right propaganda um so we had talked about that a little bit but i think that what's even a bigger story than that everyone's talking about this kelsey ballerini song that just came out and i texted emma kay as soon as this came out and i was like i would pay money for charlie to be able to hear this song because it's not only someone who just in Hollywood is now saying they focused too much on their career, now they want to have a family, it's someone who just previously in the last couple of years was saying they didn't want to have a family, had a very public divorce, trashing her ex-husband very publicly because he wanted a family.

Speaker 9 And she did that. So, we have that clip of Alex or of Kelsey Ballerini on I think I got it.

Speaker 2 It's 276. Who brought up the idea of of divorce first?

Speaker 3 How did you begin that conversation? I

Speaker 3 was realizing that I wasn't ready for kids, and that's a fundamental difference.

Speaker 3 That was something that we had talked about early on, and that was something that I was changing on because he was ready. He was like, I don't want to be an old dad, is what he kept saying.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I'm not, I just am not there yet. And I can't, I can't do that to like save this and give you something that I'm not ready for.
Like, I just can't do that to myself.

Speaker 3 I took him out to dinner and I was like, for my 30th birthday, I want to freeze my eggs.

Speaker 2 And it was not a good day.

Speaker 3 And I think that was when I was like, there's a fundamental difference here.

Speaker 9 So that was a couple years ago, and it was very public. And then she put out a song just recently called I Sit in Parks.
And it is really sad. So I know you've listened to it.
We have the lyrics.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is, this is crazy, actually. So 266, you can throw up the lyrics.
She said, did I miss it? By now, is it a lucid dream? Is it my fault for chasing things a body clock doesn't wait for?

Speaker 2 I did the damn tour. It's what I wanted, what I got.
I spun around and then I stopped and wonder if I missed the mark.

Speaker 9 And she even, in the second verse, talks about how she's hitting her vape, but she's dreaming about a nursery with Noah's Ark.

Speaker 9 And Rolling Stone says she's on the right track, but she's refilling her Lexapro.

Speaker 3 So it is bleak.

Speaker 9 Completely a one-like. I, and we've said this to Charlie for a long time about Taylor Swift.
She's always said that she's wanted this thing.

Speaker 9 I think this is an even bigger story because it's someone who

Speaker 9 the complete opposite was saying that this is what she wants. She wants her career

Speaker 9 because she doesn't want to be married.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yes.
So she straight up divorced a dude because she didn't want to have kids.

Speaker 3 For selfish reasons, just selfish, purely selfish reasons. There's no biblical grounds for divorce there.

Speaker 3 You know, saying you want kids and I don't, only for a couple years later for her to say, oh,

Speaker 3 actually,

Speaker 3 I think I do want kids. And this is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 And she should call them back up and be like, well, now she's dating Chase Stokes.

Speaker 3 Which I think they're back together.

Speaker 9 Yeah. They were just spotted.

Speaker 3 Which I have a whole theory on that i have a whole theory on that i don't know who chase stokes is i don't know outer banks outer banks actor okay um on netflix big teen drama series um

Speaker 3 i have a whole so can i just say something that's really a wild theory about this

Speaker 3 They've been dating for three years, broke up like the day after Charlie was murdered. And then now they're back together two months later.

Speaker 3 My theory, as soon as I saw this, because I believe he had commented something positive about Charlie, and I think maybe it was deleted or something right in those like first first few hours after his death.

Speaker 3 I don't know. Obviously, we don't know for sure, but I have a hunch that maybe

Speaker 3 he came out and defended Charlie and said that this was wrong and he didn't deserve to be killed. And I think Kelsey freaked out because she is a huge lib and I think she dumped him.

Speaker 3 And now she's sitting in parks in Nashville and she's watching all these young, gorgeous families where the husband is strong and doting on his wife and they look so happy and they're sitting on the blanket playing with their children.

Speaker 3 And she's sitting there hitting a vape being like, I guess I got to go refill my Lexapro prescription. Wow, this is like super dark and depressing.
Maybe I jumped the gun on this breakup.

Speaker 3 So now they're back together. I just wonder if it had to do a little bit with Charlie.
But beyond that, I think this is so, this is such an important

Speaker 3 story to tell what she's doing because

Speaker 3 we do not set young women up for success when it comes to motherhood. We should be talking to them when it comes to chasing your dreams and what career you want to have.

Speaker 3 We should be having these conversations in high school, letting them know, hey, it's okay if you want to chase a career.

Speaker 3 However, you should know that statistically, statistically, you are going to want to have children.

Speaker 3 And that if you have a career when you have children, 65% of women will drop out of the workforce completely once they have kids, or they want to go down to part-time.

Speaker 3 So if you know that statistically, going into choosing your career path, choosing your degree, what career path or what degree would you choose that would be more conducive to motherhood?

Speaker 3 You have, this is just the majority. This This is what it's going to be like for the majority of women.
You're terrifying me right now. Why?

Speaker 9 Because I'm

Speaker 9 less than two months away from giving birth. Andrew Andrew's terrified hearing that 65% of women don't get back to the business.

Speaker 2 Wait, this stat again? Read it, Maximum. Don't worry.
Say that one more time. We have pregnant women all over turning point right now.
It's like a

Speaker 2 total, I don't know what you want to call it, but it's, it's, we're going to be in trouble.

Speaker 2 No, this is a good thing. It's a great thing to celebrate.

Speaker 9 More babies. It really is.
I feel like the luckiest person in the world, especially. I think we even have the picture of when I told Charlie and Erica that I was pregnant.

Speaker 2 305. 305, if we want to put that up, but

Speaker 9 I've been so, so grateful.

Speaker 2 Charlie's smiling.

Speaker 9 Well, because Erica had asked me the day before, and I was like, no, no, because I knew I wanted to tell them both together. So they were both pretty shocked.

Speaker 9 But I just am so grateful because our message is all about families, families, families. But I also.
have loved and still love my career.

Speaker 9 And so having a boss that was so ecstatic for both, and like was so committed to making sure that I could and will still do both is the dream.

Speaker 9 But most people don't have that, and so I think it's really important that these huge celebrities, like and Timothy Chalamet saying, bragging about having kids and how much time it afforded to them to do other stuff.

Speaker 9 It's bleak that people are bragging about not having kids.

Speaker 2 Timothy Chalamet, actually, I don't know much about him. I will just say he's crazy.
He's super talented. He's 10.

Speaker 2 But also, he's actually pronounced Timote. You guys are pronouncing his name.

Speaker 9 I think he's French.

Speaker 2 He is French.

Speaker 2 I thought he's American.

Speaker 9 Well, I think he's.

Speaker 3 But here's what's important.

Speaker 2 It's so important.

Speaker 3 Is this this crash course in reality that kind of knocks women on the head once they're in their 30s?

Speaker 3 If they purposefully chose a life of pursuing career and selfish pursuits above having a family and children, it comes for everybody. Okay.
If you're a woman, the clock comes for us all.

Speaker 3 And so with Kelsey, she is really

Speaker 3 it's important to

Speaker 3 make sure that she understands that feminism lied to her.

Speaker 3 She wasn't given true, she wasn't really given informed consent on what she was choosing and what she could potentially.

Speaker 3 Now, there's still time for her to get pregnant and have a family, but they weren't honest with her about how you can have it all as a woman, but what we're missing when we're talking to young women is telling them it just may not be all at the same time.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 9 And Erica said that at YWS this year. That was a big, a big part of her and Charlie talking about Charlie.

Speaker 2 Charlie would be so fired up on this when you said the clock is ticking.

Speaker 9 I mean, it's true. It's a biological clock.
Everyone has it. But I also think, and that's what we're seeing with Kelsey Ballerino.
She's in her 30s.

Speaker 9 It's also like an emotional clock for women that no matter how much you push it off, push it off, this is something that you were made to do.

Speaker 3 And when you purposefully put it off, so when you are not...

Speaker 3 living a godly season of singleness where you are dedicating your life to the Lord and you are praying for a future family and all of that.

Speaker 3 That's different than purposefully choosing singleness, okay, for selfish reasons.

Speaker 3 When that time comes and you're realizing, oh, snap, like I have very small, a very small window here to have a family.

Speaker 3 You are picking a mate then and who's going to be the future husband of your children or who's going to be the father of your children under pressure.

Speaker 3 You're not going to pick, I don't think, as thoughtful of a partner as you would when you have more time and you're in your 20s, you know, if God allows and you meet that person in your life.

Speaker 3 Again, I feel bad for her first husband because

Speaker 3 he was right the entire time and she blew him off and now look at the mess that she's made.

Speaker 3 That's sad to me.

Speaker 2 I wanted to play a clip from Charlie. Yeah, we should.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 this is in September of 2025. So just before he was assassinated, talking about this incredibly important topic to his heart, 253.

Speaker 1 Having children is more important than having a good career. I have two kids.
I also have an amazingly

Speaker 1 This is not about shaming. It's not about ridiculing.
It's not about moralizing. It's about lifting up what is beautiful.
And by the way, we look at the mental health data. Young women are not okay.

Speaker 1 Half, that is right. Half of liberal white women say that they have some form of mental health issue that has been diagnosed by a doctor.

Speaker 1 What is the number one thing that mental health professionals will tell you when it comes to mental health issues? Loneliness does not help.

Speaker 1 So maybe we should solve the loneliness epidemic by encouraging young ladies to get married and have children. It's good for them.
It's good for America, and it's good for our future.

Speaker 2 Boom. I love that.

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Speaker 2 Alex, you had a thought off of the back of Charlie's. That's an amazing clip, by the way.
I love that.

Speaker 2 What did that trigger for you?

Speaker 3 I think what's important to talk about when it comes to women and this idea of career versus family is that we are told, another lie that we are told by the feminist movement is that you can have a family anytime you want.

Speaker 3 That is not true.

Speaker 3 We cannot guarantee that. Even with different fertility technologies, it is not a guarantee that you will get pregnant with IVF.
It is not a guarantee that you will get pregnant in any other way.

Speaker 3 And so you're telling women to wait till the very, very end of their fertility window to then attempt to try to have a family. Meanwhile, they've had a decade plus on birth control.

Speaker 3 You have no idea what hormonal issues are brewing underneath because you've been ignoring it and stifling any symptoms that you might be dealing with to let you know something's going on with the birth control.

Speaker 3 So then when it is time to get pregnant and have a family, you can't. You don't know why.
You're spending $30,000 on IVF. That may or may not work.
It's just...

Speaker 3 When Charlie talked about the importance of family, and I know that made a lot of women sensitive, he wasn't doing it to be a bully.

Speaker 3 He was doing it from such a good, pure place in his heart, saying, I have experienced the best thing in life. I don't want you to miss it.

Speaker 3 It was a fatherly, loving warning to young women because he loves you so much that he's telling you the truth that culture isn't willing to tell you. And you know what?

Speaker 3 As much as I think it's frustrating and I disagree with Kelsey Ballerini's reason for divorce, that's great.

Speaker 3 that she made this song because she's being open and honest about maybe I made a mistake and that could encourage other young women to think twice about their own selfish pursuits and mistakes that they could be making, putting career above a family when you have a very small window to be able to have a family.

Speaker 2 Wow. Well said.

Speaker 2 I love, I love, no, but I love what you said that he, because, because, listen, Charlie used to complain when he would talk about this topic because inevitably

Speaker 2 it would cause this huge uproar and he'd get, he'd get write-ups on like, on these like pop culture outlets, you know, that we usually didn't get write-ups on because, you know, know, oftentimes it would just be political media that would pick up Charlie's stories.

Speaker 2 But when he would talk about this, it would become this huge uproar. And he was, and I remember we actually have the clip.

Speaker 2 It's basically the same thing he said, but he went on Laura, I think, two nights before he was killed.

Speaker 2 And he said that, and Laura threw him this question because it was becoming like this big uproar again. And he's like, you could see him almost like roll his eyes.

Speaker 2 Like, every time I talk about this, Laura, like, it becomes this huge thing.

Speaker 2 But I love what you said because he wasn't trying to be a bully. He was trying to say, I want the best for you.

Speaker 2 And if I don't just tell it to you straight, like you're not going to hear it because nobody else is willing to do this because of the uproar.

Speaker 2 I'm willing to take the slings and arrows, and this is the truth. I thought Joe Bob really did a great job yesterday on the show, too, talking about this.
He said,

Speaker 2 We started dating at 19, got married way later, and we had kids way later after that.

Speaker 2 He goes, Once I had kids, I realized that how much life just doesn't really matter, and that is what matters in life.

Speaker 2 He goes, I would sooner go work at a Costco if it meant that I could be with my kids more often.

Speaker 2 And like that statement from Joe Bob made me go home until Elizabeth was like, we should, we should get some of that. Oh, we're going to have more records after this.

Speaker 2 So I'm going to get into this, and I want to bring Blake into this conversation as well here. So Blake, if you're listening, we've got this, this, it's kind of like a viral story.
Mikey, set it up.

Speaker 2 It's a Walmart wedding ring story. Okay, so there's this couple, and he buys, it was like a $900 ring from, was it from Walmart? Yeah.
Yeah, from Walmart.

Speaker 2 He proposes to his fiance, well, his girlfriend, asking for her to be his fiancé, and she says no.

Speaker 2 And then there's all we get is just this out-of-context screenshot of text messages between that. Okay, that drives me nuts.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to start by saying that any out-of-context message, like I will not give too intense of an opinion until I receive more context. But I'm Alex, you want to kind of discuss this?

Speaker 2 They read these messages to me. I can't see them.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You had them up just a second ago. So

Speaker 3 the boy says, I just got to ask Manny, I guess that's her girl, what happened tonight? I've been planning this proposal for over a year. You really told me no in front of everyone.
That crushed me.

Speaker 3 She said, it's not even about embarrassing you. It's about you not listening.
I've told you the kind of ring I wanted more than once, and you showed up with something from Walmart.

Speaker 3 He said, so this is about the ring. I still spent $900 regardless of where I got the ring.
I put so much effort into this for you, for us.

Speaker 3 She said, Tyler, if you knew what I wanted and still chose to do what was easiest, tells me that you don't really hear me. I want to feel chosen, not just proposed to.

Speaker 3 He said, Wow, so everything I just did didn't matter to you, huh? She said, it mattered, but not enough for me to say yes to a forever. I'm not sure you're ready for.

Speaker 9 I think there's a lot of things happening here.

Speaker 2 Yeah, go ahead. There's a lot going on here.
The number one thing is, the number one problem here is, did the guy post all of this online? We don't know if he posted online.

Speaker 9 It's from the girl's perspective.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's the girl.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Okay.
The villain here is whoever. The villain here is whoever posted these screenshots onto the internet.
Because

Speaker 2 when that much of your life is being,

Speaker 2 when your thought to something super personal and just super between two people like this is to blast it on the internet, it's just wrong.

Speaker 2 No, the purpose of this is not to get points for who's right in this argument. The purpose of a potential marriage is not...
your social media likes or or anything like that.

Speaker 2 And more generally, this is a controversial controversial take I have because I guess he got shot down in public.

Speaker 2 Maybe this is weird. I don't like public proposals.
Agree.

Speaker 2 They rub me the wrong way. It's making an event out of it when it should be

Speaker 2 between the two of you. And if they wouldn't say yes in private, then this is not a thing you should do.

Speaker 2 Well said, Blake.

Speaker 9 You would hope that the breaking off of a relationship that's serious enough to get to the point of engagement would would be a little more heartbreaking instead of, I'm just going to post this online.

Speaker 9 And we don't know all the facts.

Speaker 9 We don't know what happened between the two of them, but I can't tell if people are upset that the ring is from Walmart or if they're upset that she said no in public or that she's just posting these messages online.

Speaker 9 I can't really tell what the issue is here other than this couple should not be getting married.

Speaker 2 Mikey has a take that I think will inspire us blowing the break again because then we're going to argue about it.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know if I still agree with my old take because Blake you the the real you know she her posting this is the problem all right but what if she didn't post this but let's pretend this was just leaked I think from a view here a lot of this is out of context but she probably told her boyfriend many times what she wanted and it could have been a $900 ring but it could have been a very specific cut and that's probably maybe her her personality it maybe her love language is gifts and she just really wanted something specific and it's it's him not listening to her having said that 200 times that actually made her upset.

Speaker 2 Because she does make the point. It's that you didn't you didn't listen.
You didn't listen. What do you think?

Speaker 2 Well, I'm not married. I don't want to wade into this territory.
I feel if you're fixating on the ring, that's a problem. Like, it's not the ring.
She's saying it. She's not fixating on the ring.

Speaker 2 She's not fixating on the ring. She's fixating on the fact he didn't listen to her.

Speaker 9 So maybe, maybe, and Alex can speak to this. Like, Alex has all silver jewelry on right now.
I have all gold jewelry on.

Speaker 9 I, I know Mikey and Andrew, you both went through this when you both proposed to your wives. Like, there is a specific color that each woman wears.

Speaker 9 And if I, if Luke had gotten down on one knee and proposed me with a silver ring, I still would say yes, but I would say, hey, I've told you a thousand times I only wear gold jewelry.

Speaker 9 I'm not sure where this went wrong.

Speaker 2 I would have a pit that goes into it.

Speaker 3 I would have a pit in my stomach if someone proposed to me with a gold ring because that's not my color.

Speaker 2 And I would have like said a million times.

Speaker 2 But you still would have said yes.

Speaker 9 She means maybe that's the issue.

Speaker 2 What? You still would have said yes?

Speaker 3 I would have been like, yes, but I would have this like very

Speaker 3 disturbed part of me that's like, is this the man for me? If he literally can't listen to the most basic direction.

Speaker 9 Not even listening, but like observing you. You would hope that you're not.

Speaker 2 Maybe.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing. Most couples, when they get to this point in their relations, they do discuss the ring.

Speaker 2 And if he just completely tuned that out and went to Walmart just to get it done and focused on the like show of it, I can understand why she's a little upset. But you don't post the chats.

Speaker 2 Stop posting text messages that are private for the love, and that goes for all of you out there, too. You know who you are.

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