THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 103 — Halloween Traditions? The End of DST? Boomer Space Communism

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Speaker 2 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time once again for another edition of Thought Crime Thursday. We are here on Thought Crime Thursday.

Speaker 2 Today is October 30th, or as it's known in the Philadelphia area in the Northeast, where I'm from, Mischief Night. Yes, that's right, Mischief Night, the night before All Hallows Eve.
And

Speaker 2 we've got an illustrious panel, and I want to kind of ask about that. So we've got Blake Neff.
He has returned from the nunnery. What's up, Blake?

Speaker 3 Oh, it's doing great, Jack. I've even got the Macy's Blazer on right now.
The only Blazer

Speaker 4 Blazer, the one and only, yeah, the famous one.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 we had reported earlier in the last couple of weeks that you were planning on joining the nunnery. They kicked you out, if I understand.
There was an incident.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it turns out you got to be a woman to join. And

Speaker 3 that's a big technicality.

Speaker 2 It's a fine print that always gets you.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And

Speaker 3 they're pretty big sticklers on that, it turns out.

Speaker 2 It's the fine print that always gets you. And we have the great Danny Phillip here.

Speaker 4 What's up, brother? How's it going? Good to be on. Let's see.
Thought crime debut.

Speaker 3 Here we go. We're allowing Ohio State fans onto the panel now.
I don't know if we're ever going to recover from this blow to our prestige.

Speaker 4 National champions.

Speaker 2 And I believe,

Speaker 2 and Andrew Colvet will be joining us, but he's very busy crying about the Dodgers right now.

Speaker 2 yeah it's not looking good for them it's looking like they could they could lose to the to the team canada yeah that's what i'm saying i mean if if the la dodgers lose to team well we'll we'll we'll rip him about it when he gets here but losing and and disgracing the united states i mean that's just that's just andrew for you you know that's just andrew we got to

Speaker 2 hand it to andrew um but wait so do you guys so now

Speaker 2 Now, do you guys have Mischief Night where you're from? Do you have any idea what I'm talking about when I say Mischief Night, by the way?

Speaker 3 No, it sounds like some weird Philly thing.

Speaker 5 Yeah, not a clue.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that's so funny. So Mischief Night, or and so I'd love people should throw out whether or not they have it.
So

Speaker 2 in some areas of the country, it's called Mischief Night. In some areas of, this is like, it's a total regional thing.
In some areas, it's called, I believe, Devil's Night.

Speaker 3 That's Michigan, I think. Michigan, right?

Speaker 2 Apparently in most of the country, yeah, in Michigan, but apparently in most of the country, it's not celebrated at all. This is the night before Halloween.

Speaker 2 And so when I was growing up, this was like every single October 30th. This is what you, I mean, not that I would ever partake in such a, you know, horrific and painful and obviously wrong ritual

Speaker 2 where, right, you would, you would go out and commit mischief. So like kids would go out and commit mischief.

Speaker 2 And it's like, it's very much like a, I'm looking at the map right now.

Speaker 2 It's like New Jersey, Philadelphia, Delaware, and that's it, where you go out and you commit mischief, TPing trees and houses, egging houses.

Speaker 2 I think in the New York area, they do it as well a little bit. And then Devil's Night is a night for it in Michigan.

Speaker 2 And then some of the other parts of the country have just random names for it, but it's not quite as big. And

Speaker 2 the, you know, the, the, apparently, you know, it's in the film The Crow. It's in the film The Crow.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 but apparently in the rest of the country, it's just like totally not a thing at all.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 what kind of mischief are we talking about here? Is this like TPing people's houses? Is this like putting up Pittsburgh Steelers decals on their cars? Is this putting up

Speaker 3 kind of a history?

Speaker 4 What kind of mischief did the Posto Brothers do?

Speaker 2 I mean, the Posto Brothers have never done anything for Mischief Night other than sit out and defend our homes from those who might perform mischief on us.

Speaker 2 So So I may have hidden in my tree a couple of times trying to catch people who were coming in on a few nights. No, but it's a huge thing in the Philly area.
And people go around.

Speaker 2 You even get to the point where like people were...

Speaker 2 You know, they'd go out like taking baseball bats to mailboxes and stuff like that. And look, if you're going to do anything that's permanent damage,

Speaker 2 that's just completely bad form. You don't want to do permanent, bad damage to Mischief Night.
But apparently this is the thought crime because I did not realize that,

Speaker 2 you know, growing up, it's so incredibly normalized from from that it's like, I don't even, I don't know if people still, you know, do it as much. It's not quite as big.

Speaker 2 We know we obviously we live in the age of like ring cameras now. So I feel like that would probably put a little bit of a damper on it.

Speaker 2 But, you know, you run around, you go around with masks, you go around with hoods. It's not exactly like it's hard to defeat a

Speaker 2 ring camera. But I don't know.

Speaker 2 If people are in the chat or sending in emails, let us know. Did you ever celebrate Mischief Night or

Speaker 2 Devil's Night? Do you think that's something that you would let your kids do?

Speaker 2 I don't know that I'd let my kids do it, but if my kids went out, you know, I mean, they're too young for it right now. If they went out to defend the household, I would certainly say that.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I'm from downtown Chicago, so I feel like every night is mischief night.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, that seems correct.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so I don't know. I may be more used to it than you, even Jack.

Speaker 2 Well, see, that's the difference, but it's not, it's, it's mischief night, right? It's not like, It's not like wanton crime, we're going to shoot up the town kind of night.

Speaker 2 Supposedly, I'm just pulling this up.

Speaker 2 Apparently, it came from England in the 19th century and was originally linked to May Day or Guy Fawkes night, of course, November 5th, which is coming up, when kids would

Speaker 2 play pranks and minor vandalism, which was once tolerated as part of the festival. And this was brought to North America.

Speaker 2 Throwing eggs or toilet paper, soaping windows, knocking over trash cans, ding-dong ditch, moving porch furniture, writing on car windows with shaving cream.

Speaker 2 It's meant to be prankish, not destructive, though in some places, like Detroit's infamous Devil's Night in the 70s to 90s, it escalated to serious

Speaker 2 vandalism and arson. Apparently in New England, they call it cabbage night,

Speaker 2 which just sounds horrible.

Speaker 3 That's really lame.

Speaker 2 After the practice of throwing old cabbage. Wow,

Speaker 2 that's pretty, you know, that's pretty wild up there for the New Englanders. You guys are throwing out the old cabbage.
And then upstate New York, they call it gate night.

Speaker 2 Oh, get ready for this because in upstate New York, they get really crazy. They unlatch the gates on farms, which actually, if you have like cows, that could be really bad.

Speaker 3 It actually sounds really dangerous. People could hit those cows.
Yeah, they could be like really bad. You know,

Speaker 3 the bigger thing about this is like, you know, we're wondering if people do these accessories to Halloween. But the real decay in America is people barely do Halloween anymore.

Speaker 3 So I'm going to give my public service announcement to everyone involved. Trunk or treat is not Halloween, period.

Speaker 3 Like, it is not real Halloween if you just go to a bunch of people in a parking lot and get candy. Like, I would

Speaker 3 say that's a good thing. Trunk or treat.
Trunk or treat. Trunk or treat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, we do trunk or treat, but we do.

Speaker 4 Wait, what? I always thought it was trick or treat.

Speaker 3 No, so it's trick or treat when you do real.

Speaker 2 It started during COVID.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, it predates COVID because it's not even a health thing. It's

Speaker 3 paranoid.

Speaker 2 It really took off during COVID.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. And it's just gotten worse in general.
Everyone's paranoid. They all hate their neighbors.
They don't trust anyone. So nobody does normal trick-or-treating.

Speaker 3 I can't remember the last time I've actually had trick-or-treaters come to a place I live because no one really does it anymore.

Speaker 5 It's actually very sad.

Speaker 2 Or is it just because they know you live there?

Speaker 3 Also possible. Also possible.
But I'm usually pretty good at covering up my home address.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I spent the last four years living on a college campus, so the only people coming to my house were probably looking for alcohol.

Speaker 4 Not really candy, so I'm not used to that either.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I drink too.

Speaker 2 I'm reading the chats, by the way. I am seeing people saying

Speaker 2 they remember Mischief Night. I'm seeing people

Speaker 2 these days, kids do that every day. No shame.
They'll throw knives instead of eggs. There's a guy right here.
When I was a child, they would burn down Detroit for Devil's Night.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's obviously not what we're going.

Speaker 3 It's obviously not what we're going for.

Speaker 4 Labor to Detroit.

Speaker 2 Of course. But no, it's, yeah, again, Detroit, right? But no, seriously, Mischief Night, huge thing.
It was always kind of a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 You would, you'd like go to your, I don't know, sometimes it could be your buddy's house or sometimes it could be your, your rival's house.

Speaker 2 Again, so I hear in Minecraft that that this would be done to to, you know, to kind of like get back at people and then you would, and then you would bounce off from there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm just, yeah, I'm really upset about this trunk-or-treat trend. And actually, the funny thing is, it's not even just me being carmudgeonly.

Speaker 3 I think it actually is a real indicator of the decline. I know, I have America.

Speaker 3 And it's funny because people will say it's about safety, and yet Americans felt much more fine doing trick-or-treating when America was, you know, a less safe country.

Speaker 3 Like, most, frankly, I'll be frank. Most of you live in a place where it would be perfectly safe for your children to go door-to-door ringing doorbells.
Just, period.

Speaker 3 Most of you live in a place where it's safe enough to do that, especially if everyone else is doing it. And people just are not doing it.
And that is a decline in the American spirit.

Speaker 3 It's a decline in the American community. And

Speaker 3 we need to revive the Halloween tradition. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 This is a matter of national security.

Speaker 4 See, I didn't even know what trunk or treat was because they still do it in downtown Chicago as far as I know. Like, we did it my entire childhood.

Speaker 2 No, trunk or treat is huge. Trunk or treat is, you know, coming from a guy who has kids.

Speaker 2 We've probably done at least

Speaker 2 two,

Speaker 2 we've done two already this year.

Speaker 2 Blake, we've done two trunk retreats already. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 Phil's machine.

Speaker 2 But we entirely plan to go trick-or-treating as well. So

Speaker 2 it's not like we're replacing it.

Speaker 3 Okay, as long as you also trick-or-treat. As long as you also trick-or-treat.

Speaker 3 A pretty large share of people are only just, they're doing trunk-or-treat on Halloween or the night before or sometime around it. And that's it.
That is the extent of their Halloween effort.

Speaker 3 And it, it greatly upsets me.

Speaker 2 No, that's absolute garbage. And it's, and it's, and by the way, it's totally cool.

Speaker 2 Because I see people in the chat, they're saying, you know, they're saying, well, what if you do it at your church for fellowship? That's great. That's totally fine.
I love that.

Speaker 2 That's, we do that at our church. We do that at my kids' school.

Speaker 2 We had one that was sort of like a local, just a local trunk or treat.

Speaker 2 There's also one that we usually go to.

Speaker 2 We didn't make it to this year, though, um at a drive-in movie theater and and at the same time though we are going to be doing we're going to be doing regular trick-or-treating as well now we do now here's the question though this could be a thought crime and i know we're we have a like a much longer halloween discussion later but

Speaker 2 is it oh is it appropriate to go trick-or-treating outside of your neighborhood what do you think about that Like,

Speaker 3 how far when I was when I was a kid, we would generally walk around our neighborhood, but we, my, our parents would have a car and we would sometimes drive a little ways away, but it it would still probably count as our neighborhood.

Speaker 3 We weren't driving to the other side of Sioux Falls or anything like that.

Speaker 3 But I guess you're imagining like if you drove to the rich part of town where they'd give out like whole candy bars, yeah, because that's the whole thing, right?

Speaker 2 Like, if you go to the if you go to the part of town where they give out the full-size candy bars and everybody knows where it is, right? It's, I feel like it, it's probably not okay.

Speaker 2 It's probably not,

Speaker 2 okay if you're just doing that out of, you know, out of like trying to take, you know, candy from rich people.

Speaker 2 But, but if you're, I don't know, if you're invited to like a party that's in that area, then I don't think that would be as bad, right?

Speaker 3 I don't have a strong issue with it. I, obviously, you should probably be sent to the guillotine if you do the, like, if they leave out the bowl and you raid the entire bowl.

Speaker 3 which some people do.

Speaker 5 No, that's horrifying.

Speaker 3 That is demonic. And yeah, you probably.

Speaker 3 I think you go to hell if you do that.

Speaker 4 I don't know. In Chicago.

Speaker 2 Tell us about Chicago. What's Chicago Halloween like?

Speaker 4 I feel like it's pretty normal. At least how I thought.
We would trick-or-treat, just walk around. We never drove anywhere because everything's so close together in Chicago.

Speaker 4 But we would, I mean, growing up, we used to go to the rich neighborhoods that had like the king-size bars or whatever.

Speaker 3 But then a certain group of people ruined that every year.

Speaker 4 So that stopped. But

Speaker 4 yeah, I mean, I felt like it was pretty normal in Chicago. So I never heard of of this trunk or treat, any of that.

Speaker 3 So when you say Chicago, where do you really mean in Chicago?

Speaker 4 Lincoln Park. So actually, in this city.
So I'm not like a suburb. I'm not from Chicago.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 3 I got to look up where that is.

Speaker 4 It's like the north part of the city. It's like three or four miles.
Yet they shall remain nameless.

Speaker 3 A certain group of people

Speaker 3 ruined almost every Halloween

Speaker 3 rich area.

Speaker 2 That's unfortunate. Constantly causing trouble.

Speaker 3 Yep. You know, we had some.

Speaker 2 We got to do something about the area.

Speaker 3 Our neighborhood had a few memorable people. We had the guys who gave out full candy bars, of course.
But the one I remember, we had a house maybe, it'd be the equivalent of about maybe

Speaker 3 two or three blocks away from where I live. But, you know, kind of you get these circuitous roads in Sioux Falls.

Speaker 3 But this guy, he had made a bunch of money, I think, during the original 1.0.com boom in the late 90s. And he had an absolutely monstrous set of lights for every holiday.

Speaker 3 Like, would fully decorate the house and lawn. I think he had to pay someone to do it because it was such a thing.
He had a whole separate unit for storing all of his lights.

Speaker 3 And he would do this for Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Valentine's Day.

Speaker 3 I believe he even did it for St. Patrick's Day.
There was a good 4th of July, of course. I think a good six to eight holidays a year.
He fully decked out everything.

Speaker 3 And so for Halloween, of course, he had a very legendary setup. And I believe he was a full candy bar giver-outer person.
So I think there'd be a line at his pretty cool.

Speaker 4 I never understood why people spend so much or go so crazy decorating people.

Speaker 3 No, but no, you see,

Speaker 4 out of all holidays, I feel like Halloween should be lower on the totem pole.

Speaker 3 It's just

Speaker 3 some people are only.

Speaker 2 We're having that debate when Andrew gets here.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 we should be in favor of that. This is actually a powerfully ancient thing.
It is a good thing when private citizens feel the drive to like create goods for everyone to consume.

Speaker 3 And a very mild form of that is making your house look really cool for everyone like who visits it or walks by it or goes up to it.

Speaker 3 It is a powerful public good when people want their houses to look really sweet. And that's awesome.
We should encourage it.

Speaker 3 I am fully in favor of everyone who goes nuts on Christmas lights, everything like that.

Speaker 2 We've got a house on our block

Speaker 2 where they've got lights lights up that are up like 365 days a year. And so what they do with their lights, it's kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 They they have like I guess it's programmable because they can change colors.

Speaker 2 And what they'll do is depending on it's kind of like what you were just saying about your neighbor, but what they'll do is it's always the same set of lights, but then they can just change the color scheme for whatever the holiday is.

Speaker 2 So if it's St. Patrick's Day, they could turn it all green.
If it's if it thinks, if it's Halloween, they can make it. I think right now it's like orange and purple.
So

Speaker 2 it's actually kind of nice. Like you only have to decorate once and then they just stay up.

Speaker 3 Jack, we've got a we've got a dono message from Big Man S17. Is that season 17? Like The Simpsons or something? Oh, that would only be that would be halfway through The Simpsons.

Speaker 3 They've been a long, long time.

Speaker 3 He says, I've seen some people say that it is demonic for a kid to put on a Hulk costume because it is putting on a new identity laugh emoji, I think a face palm emoji, and a dude emoji.

Speaker 3 Uh, I like that combo of emojis. And yeah, I mean, that's the thing, though.
It's like it's not a new identity for the Hulk. He still is Bruce Banner.
He just

Speaker 3 is really angry.

Speaker 2 Unless you're doing

Speaker 2 the She-Hulk, because that TV show was awful, and she was like this woke girl. They made She-Hulk like a lawyer.

Speaker 3 And then she's a lawyer, even in. I think she's a lawyer in the original comics.
Not that I would read comics because

Speaker 4 she's a She-Hulk that I don't even know

Speaker 3 any of this. Do you know who the Hulk is? I know who the Hulk is.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 3 Really? Name 15 Hulk villains.

Speaker 4 No idea.

Speaker 3 Red Hulk?

Speaker 3 Red Hulk. Abomination.
He's just Hulk. Wolverine.
Like, uglier.

Speaker 4 Interesting. Yeah.
Was never into this growing up.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 2 Wolverine's original appearance was as an enemy to Hulk.

Speaker 4 Like, I just stick to Ohio State football, where they win every game, basically.

Speaker 3 I bet a lot of Ohio State fans kind of look like the Hulk. Except like

Speaker 3 I guess they look more like the blob from X-Men.

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Speaker 2 In addition to Halloween coming up, we also have daylight savings time this weekend. But although actually, we're turning off daylight savings time.

Speaker 2 So we're currently in daylight savings time right now. We're going to be turning that off.
And for only four months of the year now, we are going back to natural time, to God's time.

Speaker 3 God's time. Time.

Speaker 2 God's time.

Speaker 2 And that time, for some reason, we decided to play God for

Speaker 2 eight months of the year. And so, Blake, you know, we've talked about this a number of times on the show.
And I think we actually have a clip of Charlie talking about it. Let's play clip 300.

Speaker 1 I'm not a fan of daylight savings time.

Speaker 1 Falling back, springing forward should just remain the same time throughout the entire year. In fact, we should spring forward even more

Speaker 1 so that the fall, it's the opposite. I never understood that in the most depressing time of weather, we also made it darker intentionally.

Speaker 3 Who thought of this thing?

Speaker 1 Makes zero sense. Now, I know you're going to say it's Benjamin Franklin and all this.
No way. He was too smart for this.
I think it's a Nicole Hanna-Jones conspiracy against Benjamin Franklin.

Speaker 1 There's no way.

Speaker 3 I'm not sure where he's going with that because he would appreciate, Charlie would appreciate the real people who came up with Daylight Savings Time are basically evil

Speaker 3 like Woodrow Wilson and centralized government cabal. I think it came out during World War I.
And then FDR brought it back from his evil scheme to

Speaker 3 like, it was one of his

Speaker 3 big government New Deal ideas. They thought it would stimulate the economy.
I'm not making this up.

Speaker 3 They thought it would stimulate the economy if if there was more light later because people would shop more. That was the reasoning.

Speaker 3 And people come up with these weird things where they say, it's because of farmers. And all I would say is, have you ever met a farmer? Does the cow need to be milked?

Speaker 3 Does the cow follow daylight savings time when you milk it?

Speaker 3 Does the corn follow daylight savings time? No. No, they follow this thing that God gave us called the sun.
But why if you're a farmer, you get up when the sun comes up.

Speaker 4 Why are we making it though darker earlier in the morning? Daylight savings time seems so much better, especially if you're from the Midwest where it gets darker.

Speaker 3 God made it so that the noonday sun is directly over our heads, and man in his arrogance tries to move it later. And that is, you know, we will be held accountable.

Speaker 3 I think it's just you've never experienced the Chicago February then.

Speaker 2 And Andrew's here, but I think the problem with this was when they tried, because they tried to do daily savings year-round once and they said, we'll stop changing it.

Speaker 2 We'll keep it daylight savings year-round.

Speaker 2 And then the problem was in some parts, particularly the northern parts of the country, it wasn't getting, the sun wasn't coming up until like 8.30, 9 a.m., like well beyond the time that like kids had to go to school and people had to go to work and it was just horrible.

Speaker 2 It's just absolutely horrible. And so the goal is to try to get it so that sunrise is generally around the same nominal time every day.

Speaker 2 And so this is also why Andrew Huberman, so the great Huberman, we know Charlotte is a huge fan of his, was always and has maintained that he is in favor of getting rid of daylight savings time completely because it is healthier for you to have light earlier.

Speaker 2 He said, This actually is better for your circadian rhythms. This is better for you naturally.
It is obviously what God ordained.

Speaker 2 And we are the ones who try to play God by shifting our time to move with the seasons rather than actually just use the seasons as they were given.

Speaker 4 But then it's like pitch black, dark when you're coming home from school. So I never understood that argument because, yes, it's light going there, but then on the way back, it's dark out.

Speaker 4 So one of them is going to be dark.

Speaker 3 Where are you staying in school, dude?

Speaker 4 We would get back at like 4.15 from the bus.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Real quick, before we go to Andrew here, Big Man gave us another $5 donation.
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God bless you guys.

Speaker 3 Thank you for doing this show, my brothers. Thank you, Cade.
Thank you very much. Andrew, are you in favor of the cabal that defies the noonday sun?

Speaker 5 You know, because you guys used to always gang up on Charlie. I would just sort of pick his side in this.
Because I will say, I hate when we fall back.

Speaker 5 When you fall back, it's very aggressive. However...

Speaker 5 I thought about this a long time, and I understand Huberman's argument, and I actually have started to do exactly what Jack is saying when in the early morning I'll actually seek out sunlight to help me wake up because I have to now

Speaker 3 for the show and stuff.

Speaker 5 Well I heard that it was really good for you so I started doing it and it does tend to perk you up and so I my thinking has evolved on this.

Speaker 5 I think I would love to give it a shot to try standard time all the year all year long because I realized if we did that then you wouldn't have that abrupt fall back, which is the part that everybody hates.

Speaker 5 Everybody hates when it gets dark at like four o'clock in the afternoon.

Speaker 5 That's what everybody hates. But if you were, it's like the frog boiling in a, you know, a pot of boiling water slowly, right? You, you, you slowly, gradually get to it, so you won't hate it as much.

Speaker 5 Now, if you, it's, it's the, it's the abruptness of it.

Speaker 3 Schegenauer says, keep God's time year-round. Amen.

Speaker 5 So I'd do it.

Speaker 3 In our arrogance, in this secular age, we have revolted against God's ordained time for humanity. And I don't think God likes to be mocked.
I think we can list off

Speaker 3 the men who built the Tower of Babel, the city of Sodom, the city of Gomorrah. Like, what if Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were doing daylight savings time?

Speaker 3 I think this has to be explored.

Speaker 2 Why were they destroyed, Blake?

Speaker 3 I mean, it might be what I just said, Jack.

Speaker 3 Or

Speaker 3 do you want to be more specific? I don't know. Like, that's what happens.

Speaker 3 The angels visited Lot, and then the men assembled outside, and they said, send those men out here because we want to check their watches and see what time it is and move it an hour forward.

Speaker 3 That is what they want to do.

Speaker 2 It would have been sundial, wrist, wrist, wrist dials at the time. Wrist sundials.

Speaker 3 Man, just I can't believe these, these evil things. Oh, Jack, do you want to interrogate Andrew on one of your Halloween thought crime?

Speaker 2 Oh, I do, actually.

Speaker 3 By the way,

Speaker 5 I just wanted to say, I'm sorry I'm late. Complicated business.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we had,

Speaker 5 we've got, we're doing a whole thing here today, and actually, Jesse Waters, I tweeted about it, is doing his show live from Turning Point HQ. So I had to go do that.
It was an honor.

Speaker 5 I didn't have to. I got to.
But, anyways, go ahead, Jack.

Speaker 2 So, here's my question. So, I was asking: do you know what holiday tonight is?

Speaker 5 It's not All Saints. It's

Speaker 3 not.

Speaker 3 Hold on.

Speaker 5 All Saints comes after, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 It's the. All Saints comes after.
So what is the night before Halloween?

Speaker 2 Shoot, I forgot. And like, when you were growing up, when you were growing up, did you have anything tonight? Did you call it anything tonight?

Speaker 5 No, we didn't. Although we are...
I did. I'm a cradle Catholic, so we probably should have, but I don't think my family was.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 it's not a Catholic thing.

Speaker 5 Oh, okay. I figured it was because, you know, you're into that sort of thing.
No, it's not.

Speaker 5 No, I don't know. What's the answer?

Speaker 2 So, no. So when I was growing up, apparently this is like a Philadelphia cultural

Speaker 3 thing.

Speaker 5 This is like the Texas

Speaker 4 Juneteenth Massacre.

Speaker 3 It's like the Juneteenth.

Speaker 2 It's a regional. It's not Juneteenth.

Speaker 3 No, I just said. It's a real holiday.

Speaker 5 By the way, can we just all acknowledge that Juneteenth was like Charlie's least favorite holiday? Because it's not a real holiday.

Speaker 3 It was not a real holiday.

Speaker 5 Yeah, what was your Philadelphia tasty cakes version of Halloween?

Speaker 2 the night before. No,

Speaker 2 it's not Halloween. It's the night before Halloween.
We said it earlier before you got here, but we called it Mischief Night.

Speaker 2 And so this was a night that like kids would go out and perform mischief and like pranks and stuff like in the town, like T2, you know, people you knew or whatever.

Speaker 2 And apparently, we were just looking up, apparently it comes from like England and in the 19th century. And so it's called Mischief Night.

Speaker 2 And I pulled this map up where it's, it's like, it's like a little bit of New York, but then New Jersey, Philadelphia, Delaware, and then Michigan, it's called Devil's Night, but apparently the rest of the country has like nothing tonight.

Speaker 4 But for me,

Speaker 3 like, I'm Ohio.

Speaker 2 For me, it's like October 30th is like, this is the night you got to be on guard because if you get caught lacking on Mischief Night, like you're going to be in trouble.

Speaker 2 You're going to be in big trouble. Mischief.

Speaker 5 That just sounds like a left-wing state would get into that. I would say,

Speaker 5 wait, now,

Speaker 5 if it came from England, that makes sense why it would be in New England mostly. I don't understand the Michigan tie-in.

Speaker 2 Well, apparently in New England, they call it Cabbage Night, which is just awful.

Speaker 3 What? Well, that mid-exploring

Speaker 3 corridor. The whole Acella corridor.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 The whole Acella corridor.

Speaker 2 There's like a whole throwing cabbage thing out thing. But it's, no,

Speaker 2 it was always a lot of,

Speaker 2 so I hear it was a lot of fun for the people who would do it.

Speaker 2 Not that myself or my brother would ever be caught doing such a thing as this.

Speaker 5 You are not...

Speaker 5 hooligans in the slightest. Actually, I do want to

Speaker 3 just really quickly.

Speaker 5 No, here we go.

Speaker 5 Who in our audience, audience, two questions? Freedom at CharlieKirk.com. Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
I want to know two things. I want to know, one,

Speaker 5 who's ever heard of this Mischief Night or Cabbage Night stuff? Secondly, I want to know if you want to keep daylight savings time or if you want to try standard time all year long.

Speaker 5 Those are the two questions. Send us your emails, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.
I actually want to know the daylight savings time.

Speaker 3 I have just absolutely never heard of Cabbage Night in my life. No, nobody's ever heard of that.

Speaker 4 What Jack's not telling you, too, is he used to hide in trees and terrorize all the kids in the neighborhood, apparently.

Speaker 2 I did not terrorize the kids, I was defending the home.

Speaker 5 Were you an actual kid when you did this, or was this last year?

Speaker 3 Watching on creepy adult-aged this was last year.

Speaker 2 Probably after I crossed into like the teenage high school years.

Speaker 5 Oh, buddy. Well, we won't judge you.
We won't judge you.

Speaker 3 Maybe a little bit. Maybe a little bit.
Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 2 All right, so we're getting it in. No, and it's, and by the way,

Speaker 2 there's a whole movie about this. You can go watch Mischief Night.
I think there's like two movies about it.

Speaker 2 And it's famously in The Crow. If you watch the movie The Crow from the 90s, it's in there.

Speaker 3 The Crow.

Speaker 5 Isn't that the one where isn't The Crow where the dude got killed on set?

Speaker 3 Or Brandon Reese got shot by the prop gun?

Speaker 5 By the crop gun. It was like a...
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I hear stories like that, and it actually bothers me.

Speaker 2 They Alec Baldwin to him.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Wait, I want to get to this Gavin doubles down. I don't want to rush us, but I really do want to get to it.

Speaker 2 Gavin. If you want to hit the Gavin, we get to Gavin because then we were going to have an actual Halloween debate.

Speaker 3 Oh, we were? Yeah.

Speaker 3 What's the debate now?

Speaker 2 Well, so the debate is, and I'm seeing it in the chat already.

Speaker 2 If we want to go to that, we can go to that. Where there are people who are saying that you should not celebrate Halloween because it is demonic.

Speaker 2 And I get this every single year. People will say, Pesobic, how can you do this?

Speaker 2 How can you celebrate the devil's night? How could you allow your children to do such a thing?

Speaker 2 It's so horrible. It's disgusting.
It's demonic, etc., etc. And I see it in the chat every single time I talk about Halloween,

Speaker 2 you know, at least since I've been like a, you know, you know, had a public profile or whatever, that I get this every single year.

Speaker 2 And every single year I've been fighting from the pro-Halloween perspective by explaining the true history of Halloween as a Christian holiday.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I kind of take the Chesterton line about it where he says like fairy tales are good not because they say dragons are real, but because they say dragons can be beaten.

Speaker 3 And yeah, it's kind of like that with Halloween. I think what I'd say is, this is actually a funny one.

Speaker 3 I actually kind of greatly dislike horror movies that are really bleak where like the demons just win at the end.

Speaker 2 I think like the Asian ones?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Or these new ones.
There's been some recent ones. Like I think Hereditary has a completely bleak ending and that was a really popular one.

Speaker 3 But like I would say if you make a horror movie where you know in the end righteousness triumphs and you know the demons are defeated, I think that's the proper way to approach Halloween.

Speaker 3 You can say the demons are scary.

Speaker 3 They do many evil things.

Speaker 3 But in the end, righteousness and the power of God and so forth can defeat them. And then I see,

Speaker 5 I feel like that is a morally vindicating thing for us to promote well i i think of it as like you know it's not chester but cs lewis and tolkin wrote fantasy and they wrote you know they were obviously were not afraid of things and i i remember when i first became a christian i was i think we were you know listen it's not exactly cs lewis but i remember we were uh it was like i was in college and we went to see some movie i i actually i want to say it was harry potter but i'm not can't really remember but it was like something like that right and i remember you want to talk demonic.

Speaker 2 Let's talk about Harry Potter.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so, so, no, fair enough. But I got this talking to from the guy I was going with.
His mom was like,

Speaker 5 your lives are so blessed. Don't, don't subject yourself to this darkness and all this stuff.
And I remember kind of being like caught off guard because that's not the way I grew up.

Speaker 5 My parents like never talked like that. And all of a sudden, I was, you know, had this buddy's mom who was freaking out on us.
And I was like, well, no, it's just like, you know, it's a movie.

Speaker 5 Now, I would say that I sort of see things in the middle now. I do think you can open yourself up to darkness and dark spirits, and you can entertain dark spirits in a way that is unhealthy.

Speaker 5 I actually really believe that. I actually believe if we're going to get into it, like some of these ayahuasca,

Speaker 5 you know, their pharmakeia is the word for sorcery, you know, in the Bible. And here's what's interesting about that is that, you know, drugs can cause hallucinations.

Speaker 5 It can open up, I think, spiritual pathways to darkness. I do also think if you become too interested or intrigued by dark and demonic ideas and things, you can open yourself up to this stuff.

Speaker 5 That being said,

Speaker 5 I like kind of where your head was at. I think it's actually can be really good for young minds to think about fantasy and fairy tale and even dark fairy tales.

Speaker 5 If you look at like a lot of the old Disney films, for example, like Snow White is so dark.

Speaker 5 I was watching that with my kids, and I, you know, I figured anything before, you know, 1970 maybe is going to be okay.

Speaker 5 So I started watching this, and I was like, I couldn't believe how dark these things were. Like, the witches are scary, you know, the stakes are real.
It's not just kind of fluffy, feel-good stuff.

Speaker 5 And there is kind of a repeat theme in a lot of this. Like, if you go to even the Cinderella, Cinderella is really dark, man.
The stepmom is extraordinarily scary and, you know, really pretty vicious.

Speaker 5 So, anyways, I would just say there was a way that we did fairy tales, dark things back in the day that actually probably helped young people's minds understand that there is good and evil.

Speaker 5 There is darkness and light.

Speaker 5 There are truly wretched figures and creatures and things, and you need to fight them, and you need to win. You ultimately need to win.

Speaker 5 And so, I, but, you know, on another, much more lighter note, you know, I trick-or-treat with my kids because they like dressing up like princesses and ninjas and getting candy.

Speaker 2 I mean, for me, it's that simple.

Speaker 5 But we do, we go in big groups, lots of lots of friends, lots of other kids dressed up in fun, light-hearted costumes, and then we kind of get them out of there before things get really weird.

Speaker 3 We would be going astray if we did not open the way for the opinion of our co-host who is out tonight.

Speaker 3 Let's play clip 295 for Charlie's view on Halloween.

Speaker 1 Halloween is coming up, which is All Saints' Day, but let's just be honest. Halloween is a dark, dark day.
Not a fan of it. It's what you do with it.

Speaker 1 Not a fan of all the kind of dressing up and all that nonsense. I don't like it.
And

Speaker 1 if you are a Christian, you must be, and by the way, if you're also a Jew, because this is an Old Testament law, you must not engage in any of these practices of the occult.

Speaker 1 I find that there is far too much kind of joking around and playing loose and fast with this stuff.

Speaker 1 There is legit

Speaker 1 darkness that can be channeled and put in. And by the way, this, again, this is an Old Testament law, so this goes for both Jews and Christians.

Speaker 1 When you enter the land of God, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.

Speaker 3 thou shalt not suffer a witch to live

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 5 I think I probably texted him in the middle of that going, like, oh, come on, Charlie, what about my kids dressing up like princesses and ninjas? And he was, he said, no.

Speaker 5 Like, I can pretty much guarantee that was about

Speaker 2 Charlie was a well-known Halloween hater. You can find all sorts of tweets from Charlie that are still up, hating on Halloween, hating on the practices.

Speaker 2 I think even beyond the biblical, I think he just hated it in general

Speaker 2 and pretty much everything about it. And, you know, you know, they call it a thought crime.
But no, I disagree with Charlie. I could disagree completely on the history.

Speaker 2 And what I agree with on hating it, but what I agree with is that there are some people who do use, unfortunately, the Christian holiday of Halloween, all Hallows Eve, to celebrate the occult, to take part in occult practices, which I completely, as anyone knows who's followed me for like, I don't know, five seconds, they'll know that like,

Speaker 2 you know, I'm very, very anti-occult, like to the point where, like, if you come visit our home, you know, we've got, we've got holy water all over the place, we've got icons up, we've got statuettes, we've got the trifolds, we've got crucifixes.

Speaker 2 You know, we've got the crucifixes, by the way, not just in the family room, but in every single one of the bedrooms. So we were very, very extremely anti-occult in the Poso household.

Speaker 2 But, and you know, just because the occult uses a Christian holiday to try to pervert that Christian holiday and invert the Christian holiday to occlude the truth of the holiday, which, of course, has always been meant to celebrate the martyrs and as a remembrance of mortality, as a remembrance of the dead, as a remembrance of evil to mock evil, then you are.

Speaker 2 So there's a right way and a wrong way to do Halloween. That's basically what I'm saying.
I think there's a right way and a wrong way.

Speaker 3 We've got a few takes from people.

Speaker 3 I want to highlight Thomas Glosser, who emailed us at Freedom at Charlie Kirk. He said, year-round standard time, yes, it's our natural body clock.
We should respect that.

Speaker 3 Mischief night, no, not a thing where I grew up in northern Indiana. And then he said, trunk or treat?

Speaker 3 Gay.

Speaker 4 It is. I've never even heard of it.

Speaker 3 Never heard of it before.

Speaker 5 Whatever Danny says, I take as gospel.

Speaker 2 Wait, Andrew, do you ever do drunk or treats with your kids?

Speaker 5 No, I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Wow.
Okay.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 5 But you got to understand, I'm like from this half of the country and you're from that. And it's like we are legit.
No, this east and west of the Mississippi is like two different things.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I feel like it's kind of becoming a national thing.

Speaker 3 We got another dono from, let me make sure I remember his name correctly.

Speaker 3 We got it from Cade. Cade sent us another one, $5.
Thank you, Cade, again. He says, okay, last last super chat.
You guys, your guys' takes are spot on. I couldn't agree more.
Thank you again, Cade.

Speaker 3 I do love being correct.

Speaker 5 We got an email from Sharman. It says, keep God's time year-round, standard time.
Side note: there needs to be a Blake Neff costume with the Macy's blazer.

Speaker 3 Ooh,

Speaker 3 I am probably Macy's most prominent advertisement at this point.

Speaker 5 It's like

Speaker 3 trendy blazers.

Speaker 5 Who like wears Macy's stuff and actually admits to it?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 3 Stephen A. Smith.
That was Steven A. Smith, right? Why is it like echoed?

Speaker 5 I don't understand that.

Speaker 3 Looks like I thought that was me.

Speaker 5 Mischief Night.

Speaker 2 This happened when Blake was gone.

Speaker 5 This is from Cookie Monster or something.

Speaker 5 Hi, guys. Loving Thought Crime.
My mom, who grew up outside Philly, Lansdown, told us about Mischief Night. Told us about Mischief Night.

Speaker 5 Growing up in Tioga County, middle of nowhere, we did not have Mischief Night. We trick-or-treated through the whole town.
Daylight savings time is good. Okay, so she's hitting both.

Speaker 5 But falling back to standard time is good, too. I do not want to drive to and from work in the dark.
I need some sunshine during my day. There are no windows in the vault in which I work.

Speaker 5 People need sunshine. So the question is, when do they get most of the sunshine? That's the question.
Well, and

Speaker 2 this is why we have the daylight savings regime that we do now, where it's four months, the four winter months are the natural time, and

Speaker 2 the rest of the year is daylight savings.

Speaker 3 Because here's what I'm going to miss.

Speaker 2 This argument comes up every time we bring it up.

Speaker 5 Well, we tried to get rid of it, right? In the the 70s and

Speaker 5 then we reverted back to what we have. So

Speaker 5 here's what I would miss, Jack.

Speaker 5 You and Godstime. I know we're bouncing back and forth here, but these are the emails.

Speaker 5 What I would miss is those late summer nights out on the back patio with my wife and my kids running around the yard, and it's just so beautiful. It really is.
It's amazing. So I would miss that.

Speaker 3 And it's like, it gets darker earlier.

Speaker 5 It bums me out. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Arizona gets dark at 7.30. That's great.

Speaker 3 I love it. No, it's terrible.
What if...

Speaker 3 okay one thing is everyone agrees that it stinks when we lose the hour so why not okay so what if we compromise and we say daylight savings only during the summer

Speaker 3 you mean like make that the four months three months like the three months because now we have like the like the four months like because like like no um memorial day to labor day no but it's right right now it's four months of standard time right so you're basically saying let's if we're gonna if we're gonna go back and forth let's go four months of daylight stand daylight savings time what if i have an idea in the summer i i'm not up people hate losing the hour in the spring but they're okay with gaining the extra hour of sleep mostly in the fall no i'm the i i hate most you hate you hate though you hate having less daylight but yeah people generally like losing they they like being in the fall back for this specific night yeah so what if we only keep falling twice a year we just kept falling back we fell back like two hours a year

Speaker 3 and we just did it and we just had a kind of permanent cycle you know what you know what's crazy you might know the actual

Speaker 2 sink of time and the sun.

Speaker 5 Well, so by the way, so there was, I'm going to get all my terms mixed up here, but there was essentially a calendar that they had where we kept losing years over like the millennia, right?

Speaker 5 Was it the Roman calendar? The Julian calendar.

Speaker 3 The Julian calendar. Yeah, there's a Julian calendar.

Speaker 5 And then all of a sudden like 1509 or something,

Speaker 5 whatever this exact year is, we just... skipped a bunch of years to kind of like catch the calendar.

Speaker 3 It skipped days.

Speaker 3 Oh, it skipped days. The Julian calendar.
That's just right.

Speaker 3 It used to be, the the Roman calendar used to get so bad every few years they would just have to add a bonus like month onto things yes to fix it and then Julius Caesar figured it out and he got what was almost our modern calendar almost but it drifted by about one day every four years no every about like they had the leap year they added that they added the leap year it still drifted about a day every

Speaker 5 like

Speaker 3 100 or 150 years or so. And then when they got the Gregorian calendar named after a pope, a Catholic pope, they fixed it.

Speaker 3 They They figured out they were losing an extra like a quarter of a, a little bit of a day

Speaker 3 each year. I can't remember.
And then in the 1500s, they adapted to it, and you had to jump ahead about two weeks to fix things.

Speaker 5 That's why you just, you skipped a bunch of days, which is really wild, actually, if you think about it.

Speaker 3 So to get it back to where it was.

Speaker 5 Yeah, because it's a good thing. Basically, what happened was...

Speaker 5 Imagine the calendar over the millennia. like all of a sudden it was it was like you know you'd expect 80 degree weather you know in the uh very end of September.

Speaker 5 And all of a sudden, as the years went on, it got really, really cold at the end of September. You know, it's just a weird historical fact that a lot of people don't know.

Speaker 3 It led to all sorts of wild stuff.

Speaker 3 Like, a famous incident was the Russian Empire kept the Julian calendar very late. That's actually

Speaker 3 the October Revolution, Red October, happened in November everywhere else. In November.
Still October.

Speaker 2 And the French,

Speaker 2 sorry, the February Revolution happens in March. Exactly.

Speaker 3 And similarly, this also happened during the wars against Napoleon, or I think it was one of those wars.

Speaker 3 There's a war where Russia is like marching their army to meet with some ally of theirs, and they mess it up because they get the calendars off, and they show up two weeks later than everyone was expecting them to because they didn't communicate with them.

Speaker 5 You're basically suggesting that we should adopt this same sort of approach to our time.

Speaker 3 Yes. Okay, that's good.
It's going to really screw up our. Oh, we got another.
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The week where we lose an hour, also called Spring Ahead, has higher car accidents that week and lower productivity.

Speaker 5 She's right.

Speaker 3 Pick one and stick with it. That's actually a real thing because the switches, this isn't just

Speaker 3 casual visits. People die.
Every year, a few people die because there's more car crashes and there's also more like heart attacks. Did you know that? Yeah, I did actually.

Speaker 3 The slight increase in stress from less sleep tips a few people over the energy of strokes or heart attacks.

Speaker 5 I remember this because when Charlie put that tweet out and it was like Sager

Speaker 5 was like, I will fight you.

Speaker 5 And then everybody started coming up with all these random factoids. And I remember that factoid.
It's actually really true. People have more heart attacks.
There's more car crashes.

Speaker 5 There's a bunch of stuff that goes wrong because of the switching. I think that's my whole take.
It's like, I just don't want to switch anymore. I hate losing.

Speaker 5 the sleep in the spring and I hate losing the sunlight in the fall.

Speaker 3 I hate all the people who are saying that they oppose Halloween because of you know the demons and all of that, I hope they also agree that they I hope they also oppose daylight savings time because they do not want to be in rebellion against

Speaker 3 God's time.

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Speaker 3 Can we talk about Gavin? Come on, let's go. Okay, he wants to talk about Gavin.

Speaker 2 Let me respond to the pagan thing. Let me respond to the pagan thing since we brought it up.

Speaker 2 And I have to do it at least once a year, so I'm doing it tonight right and I've been I've been saving this right so a lot of people love to do this pop history you know

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 Facebook meme thing to say, well, actually,

Speaker 2 you know, according to Facebook and Reddit, Halloween originates from a pagan holiday that took place in Ireland and Scotland a long, long time ago.

Speaker 2 And the Christians came and overtook that holiday and incorporated a lot of things from it. So it's actually a pagan holiday when it started.
And that's why

Speaker 2 you shouldn't go with it. Yeah, this is actually a lot of really bad history that came up from the 19th century.
It's not even a historic view whatsoever.

Speaker 2 Halloween goes back, and the date of Halloween fixed back, by the way, to another Gregory, another Pope Gregory, all the way back, believe it or not, 1300 years ago, 735 AD.

Speaker 2 That's how old Halloween and how long Halloween has been Christian, because it was all about celebrating the martyrs.

Speaker 2 Because in the early church, every time someone was killed for the faith and someone became a martyr, that they would get a feast day. And typically it would be fixed to the date of their martyrdom.

Speaker 2 And unfortunately, the issue was in the days of the early church, there were so many martyrs that the days of the entire calendar would be just filled. Every single day would be a feast day.

Speaker 2 That's how horrific it was and how persecuted Christians are.

Speaker 2 You know, were and obviously are still being more and more more persecuted. Nigeria.
And so

Speaker 2 what they did, what they did is they came in and said, all right, well, we're going to have one day, one day for all the martyrs. And all the martyrs, of course, were saints.

Speaker 2 So that'll be All Saints' Day. And All Saints' Day was fixed to be November 1st by Pope Gregory III in 735 AD.

Speaker 2 And so when people try to link this history of Samhain and Ireland, it's really interesting because, Blake,

Speaker 2 you know, can I I get a double check? Because, Mr., you know, Mr. Roman Empire,

Speaker 2 was there much connective tissue between like Ireland and Rome in 735 AD?

Speaker 3 You know, I can't think of much because Rome had like fallen.

Speaker 5 And what was I missed the earpiece went out for a second?

Speaker 3 What was the question, Jack?

Speaker 2 Is there much connection?

Speaker 2 So people claim that people claim that that date was chosen because of this Irish festival that took place on November 1st, but it's like like there was no communication between ireland and rome in 735 well not quite there was a bit there was there was a bit because saint patrick a great christian saint yeah i was gonna say he uh had christianized ireland and ireland was the place to go well to learn latin right in the dark ages people don't appreciate though that hold on all those dark ages like priests and uh bishops they were they would make pilgrimages back to rome like it was very common a lot of kings went back what i'm saying is what i'm saying is, there's no actual evidence whatsoever that it was chosen because of an Irish festival.

Speaker 2 There's no scholarly writing about this.

Speaker 2 There isn't even any evidence

Speaker 2 that this was a pagan festival.

Speaker 3 Well, there might not be any writing on it.

Speaker 5 There might not be any writing on it, but Blake would know this better than I. But

Speaker 5 there was actually a massive schism

Speaker 5 between

Speaker 1 it was,

Speaker 5 I think it was like the Irish and the Picts and things like this that kept Easter on a certain day versus the.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 5 that's way too in the week. No, but I mean, I'm just saying, like, they, these used to cause, like, massive schisms within the Christian community about which date you get you, you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't know the specifics on that. I don't know if

Speaker 3 the loyal thought cram audience wants to hear about the computis. Let's talk about Gabriel.
We're going to need to go to the middle of the

Speaker 3 point.

Speaker 2 We're going to need. And the point is this.

Speaker 2 Whenever someone, and I'm just going to keep saying this all the way through, there is is no evidence whatsoever that All Hallows Eve, the date of, or the All Hallows Day, All Saints Day, was based on, derived from, or chosen because of this Irish festival.

Speaker 2 There never was.

Speaker 2 It was a guess that was made by a bunch of really bad comparative theologians and basically atheists and secularists in the 19th century because they were trying to use bad history to undermine church traditions.

Speaker 2 All Saints Day was always known in the night before was known as as a practice of souling where people would go, they would pray for the souls of the faithful departed.

Speaker 2 They would go and knock on doors. Cakes would be exchanged called soul cakes, which were later exchanged for treats.

Speaker 2 There were people who would dress up in costumes called guising and mummers and mummery, which is also something that was done on Christmas. And so all of these actual

Speaker 2 traditions and all these these these practices actually date back to Christianity. So I'm just going to stick on this.
That's the history. There is a right way and a wrong way.

Speaker 2 And if anyone's telling you that Halloween was originally pagan, they're just wrong. They're just flat wrong.

Speaker 3 And a final warning, when people go too hard on Halloween, if they get rid of Halloween, just remember, the Puritans got rid of Christmas too.

Speaker 3 Exactly. And Christmas will be next.
They did. Well, that'll be a topic for when we get to Christmas.
I think Jack just...

Speaker 4 Halloween, he uses the one time a year where you can just beat on people from hiding in a tree.

Speaker 4 So that's why I think Jack likes Halloween.

Speaker 3 All right, we need to indulge Andrew here. We've got to get the gabbing topic.
I was in the room.

Speaker 3 So here's why. He's gabbling really hard.
We've got to set him up. So you were in the room.
We were in the room. So are you.
When this clip happened.

Speaker 3 And so let us play clip 102.

Speaker 1 So like you right now should come out and be like, you know what? The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports,

Speaker 1 that shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and say no.

Speaker 9 No, and I appreciate.

Speaker 1 But like, would you do something like that? Would you say no men in female sports?

Speaker 9 Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that.
So that's easy to call out the unfairness of that.

Speaker 9 There's also a humility and grace, you know, that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression.

Speaker 9 And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand.

Speaker 9 How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you, but not always expressed?

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 3 he did that.

Speaker 3 And then he's suddenly, he's

Speaker 5 so.

Speaker 3 That caused quite a backlash. That was a huge

Speaker 3 people. Yeah, they flipped out about it.
They flipped out about it. But now

Speaker 3 he's he's there was a lot of pressure on him to back off, but now it seems like he is doubling down. Okay.
Correct?

Speaker 5 So let's play.

Speaker 3 Actually, I haven't seen this yet. Let's play clip 298.
I saw it.

Speaker 9 But when it comes to sports, that's impacting other people's rights. It's different.
And I say this with a trans godson. I have only one godson who's trans.

Speaker 9 And so I disagree with all the vitriol, but I agree on the issue of fairness in that respect, that it is unfair in these circumstances. And I haven't been able to reconcile it.

Speaker 9 Good people can, but it was an experience for me born over the actual application and responsibility as governor to try to figure this out.

Speaker 9 And I couldn't, and maybe other people can, but I haven't been able to figure it out.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 So, okay.

Speaker 5 Here's what's actually happening with this clip. Gavin Newsom wants to be president.
We all know that.

Speaker 5 How's he going to differentiate himself in this crowded field full of a bunch of crazy people, right? You got... AOC, you got J.B.

Speaker 5 Pritzker, whose own sister, if you, or brother, it's a brother, actually, right?

Speaker 5 Who knows? I forget which way they're going. It's got a brother or sister that is trans, okay? You've got, you know, people are talking about Wes Moore.
You got all this people.

Speaker 5 You got to stand out from the crowd somehow. Gavin Newsom made the quick calculation and said, I already was on the record doing this.
I already ripped the band-aid. It's an 80-20 issue.

Speaker 5 It makes sense that it, because what would look worse than sticking to his guns here? What would look worse is going back and be like, ah, you know that thing I did with Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 5 I don't really believe it anymore. So he made the quick decision and said, I'm going to stick

Speaker 5 on the winning side of an issue that's unpopular with my activist base, but I'm going to be far left on just about everything else. But this one, I'm going to speak some sense.

Speaker 5 And because he's doing this to stand out. I mean, it's very, very, very, very simple.
And we were in the room when this happened.

Speaker 5 I looked at his political team and I was like, you do realize what just happened.

Speaker 3 You do realize what just happened. He realized what was going to happen weeks before.
I know, right?

Speaker 5 No, but here's what I will say. I don't think they realized the extent.

Speaker 5 remained one of the top news stories in the country for approximately six weeks.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It was, I mean, in today's news cycle, that moment like lived in eternity.

Speaker 3 I had

Speaker 4 friends from at Ohio State texting, calling me about it, even. That was a big number one thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Now, the funny thing is,

Speaker 3 is this the reason he has to double back? He's doubling down on this, so he has to reverse

Speaker 3 on the other thing he said. Yes, this is the thing.
In that interview, this also happened.

Speaker 5 This upset me so much. I meant to

Speaker 5 tweet at him and tag him, and I just kind of got busy today because it's been crazy. But so we were in the room, and Gavin not only said this

Speaker 5 during the interview, he said it after. He said it before.
I'm not kidding. This is the biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen.
So this is, let's play the clip. 207.

Speaker 5 This is from the podcast where Charlie sat down with Gavin Newsom and he brags, ah, my son's a big fan. 207.

Speaker 9 Last night, trying to put my son to bed, he's like, no, dad, I just, what time? What time is Charlie going to be here?

Speaker 3 What time?

Speaker 9 And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13.
He's like, no, no. This morning, wakes up at 6 up.
And he's like, I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house.

Speaker 1 Did you let him take off school?

Speaker 9 No, he didn't. Of course not.
He's not here for a good reason. But the point is the point.

Speaker 1 He's canceled school for like two years.

Speaker 9 Once one goes,

Speaker 9 the point is the point, which is you are making a damn debt.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I'm kidding.

Speaker 5 And he just couldn't stick with that. Now, here's what I'll say.
Gavin admitting that probably caused a lot of backlash. Maybe even for his son, and he was trying to kind of backtrack or whatever.

Speaker 5 I'm telling you, it's garbage because he said it multiple times at multiple instances when we were in the room. 206.

Speaker 10 That's your son, obviously a fan. of Charlie Kirk.
What was the conversation like between you and your son after Charlie Kirk was assassinated?

Speaker 11 He called me. I don't know how he got a phone, but he called me from school that day, really alarmed.

Speaker 11 And all his friends were around the phone that wanted me to somehow express or understand what was going on. He wanted to know if he was dead.

Speaker 11 He wasn't a fan of him as much as he was familiar with him.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 5 Familiar with him. You know, this may seem like a petty thing.

Speaker 3 I wouldn't want to skip school for people I was familiar with all the time.

Speaker 5 Dude, I wouldn't want to wake up like an hour earlier, jumping with my clothes on, ready, like getting to the studio. No,

Speaker 5 this might seem like a little thing, like a petty thing, like this is just personal to me because I was close to Charlie. No,

Speaker 5 this guy wants to be president and he's willing to just kind of like slimy, slippery out of like a very basic,

Speaker 5 not a controversial truth. He'd already like told the world Charlie was, that his son was a big fan of Charlie.

Speaker 5 And he's willing to just kind of do one of his little slippery lizard, you know, moves out of this. Like he's rubbing himself with Vaseline just to get out of a headlock.

Speaker 5 And I'm telling you this is like the worst part about Gavin Newsom is that the guy

Speaker 5 lies with no shame there is no shame and he doesn't he thinks he's going to get away with it that is a serial liar you can see it right there Charlie always said he could pass a lie detector test no problem no no absolutely it's a serial liar who would do that and it's also somebody that you know cheated on his wife.

Speaker 5 It's somebody that has learned how to lie with basic ease. And that is a scary, scary thing

Speaker 5 at the prospect that this guy could run to be the most powerful man in the world. It's a very scary thing.

Speaker 5 And I don't want people to miss it because I'm here to tell you, Blake's here to tell you, it wasn't once. It wasn't just that clip.
It was multiple times.

Speaker 5 So I don't know if he was just trying to butter us up, but I don't know what his motivation would have been after the fact.

Speaker 4 Well, and if his son is just familiar with him, then why is he calling him, wondering if there's insider details that his dad can provide and stuff with all of his friends?

Speaker 4 Like, clearly, he was a fan and liked him, or else why would he be caring to find find a phone and call?

Speaker 5 We'd heard Charlie knew Charlie heard rumors and Jack sorry I didn't mean to cut you off I jumped on top you once one last thing I'll throw to you Charlie told me for I don't know I knew about the fact that Gavin Newsome's son was a fan of Charlie for about a year before this interview we had heard rumors and heard that this was actually a thing and so when we got there and he actually admitted it on camera like this is kind of cool anyway sorry Jack go ahead No, I was just gonna say look, you know, there's a real interesting way to look at this.

Speaker 2 Sure, Gavin Newsom's a liar. We understand that.
And I don't think that's going to come as a surprise to anyone who's been following, certainly since the COVID situation.

Speaker 2 But I think the real interesting argument to look at here is why is Gavin Newsom choosing this lie at this time?

Speaker 2 And why do something where he knows that he's verifiably on camera having said that to Charlie? And I think it's pretty clear.

Speaker 2 I think that Gavin has been looking across the political landscape and understands that if he wants to win in a Democrat primary, which is what he wants to do in the next couple of years, to become the frontrunner for the Democrat candidacy, if you look at what he's done with his Twitter account, the News and Press Office account, where he's gone as completely vile as anything you can find out there, he realizes that there is this new propensity for accepting, allowing, or demanding smears and lies about our good friend Charlie Kirk, and suddenly realizes that if if he said something public, publicly positive about Charlie, his sit-down interview, that's not going to play well with the Democrat base because this is the same Democrat base that is still there for Jay Jones in Virginia.

Speaker 2 These are the same people that have been lying about Charlie, the people who are, by the way, tomorrow, and we haven't said this yet, but since we're talking about Halloween, we know already that we've seen leftist after leftist dress up in this sort of grim, disgusting mockery of Charlie's murder.

Speaker 2 They are going to continue to do this, and I'm going to say it right now.

Speaker 2 Please screenshot them, and we're going to make them all famous. We're going to absolutely make them all famous.
And I send it my way. I'm happy to do so.
Libs with TikTok is happy to do so.

Speaker 2 But Gavin realizes that his party is in a different place than he thought they were when he sat down with Charlie. So what's he doing? He realizes that he's got to be in that place as well to attack.

Speaker 2 Charlie, to smear Charlie, and show that he has no interest whatsoever in uniting with people on the right right when he himself actually sat down and launched his podcast with Charlie just a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, it's, I totally agree. It is the, it is sort of the divide between the new left and the old left.
And the question is, can the

Speaker 3 old left, you know,

Speaker 5 like Gavin, beat the new left, like Mom Donnie and AOC?

Speaker 5 Can that, can't, so Gavin is making a calculated effort to be sort of like, I'm going to be sensible on this one issue, but I'm, he's going to pivot hard on other issues, right?

Speaker 5 And you see that with his sitting in front of the camera, I'm so upset about what ICE is doing and the tyrant Donald Trump and all this stuff.

Speaker 5 And he talks his big game, but I guarantee the next time he sees President Trump,

Speaker 5 it's going to be

Speaker 5 Bro Hang, boys club, and it's going to be, you know, he's going to, he's going to try and his charm offensive again. So it's, it's, he's just so annoying.

Speaker 5 And actually, I've heard some people throw out the idea of a, of a, of a Gavin Newsom AOC ticket, which I think is obscene. I don't think it's going to happen.

Speaker 5 But, you know, the point is, I think what Gavin is going to sadly find out is that if you try and take a sensible position in this new left, in this new Democrat Party,

Speaker 5 you're going to get eaten alive. I mean, this is like the Jennifer Welch clip.
We should actually play this. Studio, I think it's 283, if memory serves.

Speaker 5 But this, Jennifer Welch is like the aged Karen of the Democrat Party. Like, right, she's a Bravo star.
She, or was former Bravo star.

Speaker 3 She's just going to watch Basic Cable?

Speaker 5 No, I don't know.

Speaker 5 I had to learn this actually this morning because I got asked about it. But she's like a former Bravo star.
She is a very profane woman.

Speaker 5 She's a mocker. She is an accuser.
She is.

Speaker 3 She's bitter.

Speaker 5 She has no feminine, genteel grace about her. She's just like a, like, literally incessantly drunk or high is what I, I would, I would presume.
I don't know, but I know, no.

Speaker 5 I don't know, no, but I know. Play it.

Speaker 7 So listen up, Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this

Speaker 7 or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after MAGA.

Speaker 3 Period. They're

Speaker 7 that are beholden to the same corporations that Donald Trump, that helped Donald Trump get elected. Kudos to Bernie, to AOC, to Zoron.
And that woman out in somewhere middle America saying,

Speaker 7 Charlie Kirk, he was a racist. He was the piece of.

Speaker 7 There are so many more of us than there are of them. And these Democrats that continue to play patty cake with corporations, nobody wants that.
Nobody wants you.

Speaker 5 What a disgusting woman, by the way. I was like really polite this morning when I was asked about it on another interview.

Speaker 5 I find that to be a really, really scary sort of harbinger of things to come because there's no doubt she's right.

Speaker 3 She's right.

Speaker 5 This is the scary part. Even Gavin, as much as I find his slipperiness to be detestable, you could kind of work with Gavin.

Speaker 5 If Gavin was in,

Speaker 5 for example, if Gavin Newsom was the governor of Arizona,

Speaker 5 he'd be center-right. Because he'd play the political wins of the chase.

Speaker 3 He truly is, like, it disturbs me how successful he is because he's just very obviously a sociopathic lizard.

Speaker 3 And it always upsets me when pure sociopathic lizards succeed, especially when it's because people are like, they're so genuine.

Speaker 5 No, I don't think he's genuine. I think he's the opposite of genuine.
What I'm saying is, though, he's like sort of a reasonable, waspy white man, and the party is going away from whatever brand of

Speaker 5 like Democrat that is. And where, you know, I was around him.
Like, you could shake his hand, he'd be nice to you, and he'd laugh with you, pat you on the back.

Speaker 5 He didn't care if you were conservative. He's just going to kind of get along with you.
That is not the new left.

Speaker 5 That is not the new Democratic Party, which thinks we're all Nazis and fascists and wants to shoot us.

Speaker 5 And Jennifer Welch is calling out anybody that's not getting completely radicalized. And she's basically saying, listen, here's the new litmus test.

Speaker 5 If you don't call Charlie a vile, racist, and bigot, fascist that probably had it coming, then you don't deserve to be here. And we're going to take you out too.
So that is the new energy of the left.

Speaker 5 And so long as these are the drumbeats of the Democrat Party, this country is in a world of hurt. And I fear that she is right, that that's where they're going.

Speaker 4 Well, we saw the Atlantic article today from the Trump admin officials that now have to live in special houses that are protected.

Speaker 3 At the military bases. Yes.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Because people are trying to kill them.

Speaker 5 Yeah, especially Stephen Miller.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 you could probably speak to this.

Speaker 5 Jack, because you're over in that part of the world. But, I mean, Stephen Miller has had active death threats.

Speaker 5 His houses have been doxxed. Him and

Speaker 5 Katie have had to move out and move to different homes before, but it sounds like now they've just thrown up their hands. They're living on a military base.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I knew about this for a little while. I've just, obviously, you know, I know the Millers, and, you know, so I heard about this when it happened.

Speaker 2 Obviously, I didn't want to say anything publicly just for their own safety, the safety of their children. But it's horrific.

Speaker 2 And if you read in the article, it even walks through how not only were they going after their house, people have to realize they they were stalking the Millers.

Speaker 2 They were going by and like they had a car that would sit outside of their house day and night. They were following the family.
They were following the children.

Speaker 2 This was, and by the way, this is a coordinated Antifa cell that exists in Northern Virginia that was promoting and celebrating this doxing, this harassment, and they couldn't get police to really do anything about it.

Speaker 2 They had so much trouble getting federal law enforcement to do anything about it.

Speaker 2 And eventually, they realized for their safety and, of course, the safety of their children, they had to move on to a federal military base.

Speaker 2 By the way, the same thing happened to Josh Hawley a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 Brett Kavanaugh had someone outside their house who was about to kill him before 9-1-1 was called, a guy with a nine-millimeter and a couple of zip ties.

Speaker 2 And obviously, we all saw what happened to Charlie just a couple of weeks ago. The situation is very, very bad if you live in blue areas.
It's just as simple as that.

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Speaker 5 Well, this is what upsets me. And Jack, you and I got really into this story.
It was this Dr. Antifa, Professor Mark Bray from Rutgers.

Speaker 5 So you've got Antifa cells that are harassing Stephen Miller and his wife Katie and their kids.

Speaker 5 And I think people like Stephen probably has been the recipient of more hate and more vitriol than just about anybody else on the left. I mean, they literally call him Goebbels and they call him,

Speaker 5 I mean, they think he's a Nazi. They think he's a white supremacist.
And, you know, it's funny because Stephen Miller is Jewish, but it doesn't stop them.

Speaker 5 And it's really just comes down to the immigration thing, right? Because the immigration thing is their holy grail. They want to remake the demographics of this country.

Speaker 5 They want to use it to dilute and destroy the white Anglo-Christian European sort of bedrock, foundational cultural element of America.

Speaker 5 And so if you're going to to attack that, if you're going to actually go after the central golden calf of the modern left, which is the Browning of America, then you are going to be persona non grata.

Speaker 5 You're going to be enemy number one.

Speaker 5 And so poor, poor people. I mean, but you've got, the point is, you've got Antifa doing the bidding.
These are the foot soldiers

Speaker 5 of the left. These are the militant radicals that are doing this.
And you've got professors that are paid by a public university that are taking taxpayer money to train them, to write

Speaker 5 an Antifa handbook on how to take preemptive measures that completely

Speaker 5 pour contempt on debate and open dialogue and the democratic process that are getting your tax dollars. And you've got Antifa cells that are coming after

Speaker 5 officials in the Trump administration that are getting trained by this professor to attack them violently with knives, fists, guns, heavy weaponry, if needs be.

Speaker 5 And this guy says, oh, I'm not, I don't endorse Antifa. Well, then why did all your

Speaker 5 money in profits from the book sales go to their legal defense fund? Huh, Professor Bray? Why is that?

Speaker 5 And by the way, we should ask Rutgers University why he's not been fired yet, as a matter of fact, as well as with Lucy Martinez at Nathan Hale Elementary in Chicago.

Speaker 5 Both of these people are vile monsters that are still employed. And it really ticks you off when you think about it.

Speaker 2 No, exactly right.

Speaker 2 And by the way, the great Ava Kwan, who is the turning point, one of the chapter leaders there at Rutgers, she's been placed under investigation by Rutgers, as well as Megan Doyle, one of the other chapter leaders.

Speaker 2 They're trying to get them kicked off. And what's she been doing? She's been standing her ground and fighting back.
By the way, they have Alex Sign coming to Rutgers at the turning point chapter on,

Speaker 2 I think it's Monday. Yeah, it's going to be on Monday.
And so we're also doing the Turning Point Action Super Sunday and Super Monday to get out the vote in New Jersey.

Speaker 2 for Jack Chittarelli, where you look at the polls, it's neck and neck. I think there was a poll, Emerson poll came out today, one-point difference in that.
That's how close this is.

Speaker 2 And what are they doing?

Speaker 2 We know Rutgers as a public university is going after the turning point chapter, these great student leaders who I went up with and was proud to stand with there in northern Jersey.

Speaker 2 And she actually uncovered, by the way, going back to Dr. Antifa, Mark Bray, she uncovered speeches and interviews

Speaker 2 where he gave, where he describes himself. He says, I'm a member of Antifa.
I'm a member of the Black Rose Anarchist Federation.

Speaker 2 Now, he runs around today saying I'm not Antifa, but she's got interviews from a couple of years ago where he says he was in Antifa. And if you remember the G20,

Speaker 2 the G20 that was held in Hamburg, I want to say it was 2017, the G20's Hamburg summit.

Speaker 2 He talks about participating in riots that included the burning of cars and an attack on this summit that was so bad that First Lady Melania Trump wasn't even allowed to attend the summit she was originally scheduled to attend, but they couldn't bring her out because they couldn't secure it.

Speaker 2 Again, going back to what we're talking about now with the Millers and others who have to live on military bases, this guy is talking about participating in these fire bombing attacks on cars in Hamburg.

Speaker 2 The same guy. And so, this is the level of people that we have, by the way, at taxpayer-funded universities.
And because the communists over in Spain are

Speaker 2 so entrenched, because these Antifa cells are international, he's able to go over to Spain and seamlessly integrate with the Antifa cells there because this is a federal, excuse me, an international terrorist organization.

Speaker 2 And that's exactly what I told the president when I was at the White House. And you can see, you can see the operations right in front of your eyes.

Speaker 5 No, I was about to make the same point, Jack. We should actually follow the money and follow Dr.
Antifa and find out who he's hanging out with in Spain.

Speaker 5 I mean, this is a guy who deserves to be investigated. And it's not a free speech thing.
You have to understand.

Speaker 5 Listen, I could quote Gavin Newsom

Speaker 5 when he's talking about trans

Speaker 5 trans in sports, right? Because this person's freedom of speech is getting in the way of your freedom of speech. When he's advocating for these

Speaker 5 tactics, that again, their whole tactic is, we don't care about your democracy, we don't care about your free speech. We are going to preemptively attack you.
He's coming after them.

Speaker 5 And that is a complete betrayal of the democratic process, of the American way, which we believe we're going to battle it out with ideas, not with fists and knives and guns.

Speaker 5 He doesn't care about that. His tactics say you got to get ahead of it.
You got to punch a Nazi. You got to shoot a Nazi.
We don't care about your arguments. We don't care about your ideas.

Speaker 5 We don't care about your humanity. So we should follow the money.

Speaker 5 We should follow the paper trail and find out who the heck he's hanging out with because it's only going to strengthen the case for the federal government that are trying to

Speaker 5 crack down on these Antifa cells. Because ultimately, we've got to be able to hinge it on laws, real laws, and real precedent.
And I guess, you know, Rico's not enough.

Speaker 5 But there's other things, conspiracy. There's lots of other ways you could get these people.
And I think

Speaker 5 financially, Treasury is working on this right now, Scott Besson. So we've got to keep an eye on that as well.

Speaker 2 Base, base, base. We got to make sure that foreign terrorist designation comes down, by the way.
It absolutely needs to get done.

Speaker 5 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 Jack,

Speaker 5 I brought up Sagar already on this show.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And this would be a good thing.
Do we have time?

Speaker 3 Do we have time?

Speaker 3 I want to hit this. I want to hit this.
I want to hit this. I know it's luxurious.
Boomer, luxury communism. We've got to talk about boomer, luxury, communism.
All right, is this.

Speaker 5 You have to be careful. No negative emails.
This is not all about you in this audience.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, but no. So the context is set this up.

Speaker 2 We're talking about liberal boomers.

Speaker 3 We're talking about liberal boomers. We'll talk about a variety of people.
So what this all was sparked by was a little debate.

Speaker 3 I joined in it briefly, but I believe, is 305 the tweet that we're looking at here?

Speaker 3 I think so. Let's put that up.
Let's put that up.

Speaker 3 So, okay,

Speaker 3 no one's going to be able to read that. It's too big.
Anyway, so this is Sagar and Jetty tweeted.

Speaker 3 I will read it, and he said, In today's episode of Boomer Luxury Communism, Texas voters will vote on a new measure that will slash school taxes for boomers 65 and older by approximately 50%,

Speaker 3 in addition to further slashing property taxes for boomers alone.

Speaker 3 So, what this is all in context is, is that Texas is considering big cuts to property tax, to some of their property taxes, or they're changing what your exemptions are under property tax law, but it's going to only apply to those who are 65 and older.

Speaker 3 Now, I'm sure a lot of people like the sound of that, but Sager disagreed with it, and I'll be honest, I disagreed with it.

Speaker 3 I really dislike when we go looking for new ways to cut taxes for the oldest people in America. And to lay this out, here's the deal.
First of all.

Speaker 3 The oldest people in America are already the most, on average, the most financially well off by a large margin. And this is is historically out of the norm.

Speaker 3 It used to be people about in middle age were the wealthiest and older people were poorer. Now it's the olds have the most money by a long shot on average all on average here.

Speaker 3 And the second thing is let's just be real. Who do we need to be boosting, enabling to ensure America's future success and prosperity?

Speaker 3 It is young people. We need young people who are going to be buying homes, having more kids, frankly, paying fewer taxes if need be, so that they have more kids, especially in the middle class.

Speaker 3 If you are older, you know, thank you for your service, but you are not.

Speaker 5 How about this?

Speaker 5 Could we do it in such a way that it would be means tested or something?

Speaker 3 You know, even there, the thing that we should means test the most right now, like if every number we look at, every number in America says the people who are getting hosed right now are the youngest Americans, period.

Speaker 2 So this is the same thing.

Speaker 3 If you're over 65, 65, you're already getting free health care. You're already getting a Social Security pension.

Speaker 3 You've had 40 years of incredible economic growth during which you had the opportunity to accumulate savings and investments.

Speaker 3 And it's very common in America to look at young people who have student loans or just young people who made mistakes anyway and say like, you need to take responsibility for yourself.

Speaker 3 Well, okay, why can't older people take responsibility for themselves?

Speaker 4 And if you want want more Mamdaniism, this is the exact way to do it because you're going to radicalize more and more young people who are just going to see that the older generation is getting bailed out while they are still in trouble and are faced with the worst situation of any generation.

Speaker 4 So, as Gen Z, a lot of friends of mine and stuff were already pretty pissed about all the housing market and all that if we've talked about on the show.

Speaker 4 And I feel like all this is going to do is start radicalizing more and more people.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, so if I'm going to play devil's advocate here,

Speaker 5 I mean, I'll confess I mostly agree with you guys. But if I'm going to play devil's advocate, I've spoken with a number of Texans, right?

Speaker 5 And they have been railing against property tax in Texas for a long time because it tends, they don't have a state income tax, but so their property tax is kind of how they make up the difference, right?

Speaker 5 So you move to Texas. If you own an expensive home,

Speaker 5 it will cost you a significant amount of money.

Speaker 3 I have really bad news for people. Property tax is probably one of the better taxes out there.

Speaker 5 Well, actually, I like your idea. What did you call it? The land tax.
No, yeah, well, no, it's the Georgism.

Speaker 3 What is it called? Georgism.

Speaker 3 Georgism is actually a really fascinating idea.

Speaker 5 I wasn't aware about it until Blake told me about it. But by the way, so the point is, in Texas, there's quite a bit of political movement behind cutting significantly or abolishing even property tax.

Speaker 5 I mean, there's people who want to cut it. And I'll be honest with you.
I remember being younger and realizing there was such a thing as property tax, and it blew my mind.

Speaker 5 I was like, wait, so you don't ever get to own a piece of land that you pay for. You just sort of constantly have to pay the government for the right to like, you take care of your land.

Speaker 5 You own it all.

Speaker 3 In the end, here's this is a way a friend of mine phrased it recently who pointed it out.

Speaker 3 The only reason you own it, the only reason you have the concept of ownership is that we have a government with a system of laws that protects and guarantees that ownership.

Speaker 3 And you could think of property tax as your way of guaranteeing that system.

Speaker 3 And I know people really dislike paying all taxes. I dislike paying taxes.
But to the extent that we must pay for things as a public good, property taxes is one of the least distortionary ways.

Speaker 3 But here's the problem.

Speaker 3 Or land taxes are even better. Here's the problem.

Speaker 5 And actually, this is somewhere, you know, California was like Prop 13 or whatever. That was helpful because when you get to a certain age,

Speaker 5 there is a point at which your ability to earn money for the vast majority of people diminishes. And your property could still increase.
And depending on the laws of that state,

Speaker 5 the value of your property goes up and up and up. Your property tax could go up and up and up.
And then it could outstrip your ability to then pay for it, especially if you're on fixed income.

Speaker 5 So I understand the desire to help people on fixed income that can no longer afford their property tax. That being said,

Speaker 5 I don't disagree with what you're saying when it comes to who's the number one group that we need to ensure that gets buy-in to the economy, buys into the American dream, buys into having skin of the game so they don't become bloody revolutionaries and bomb Donnie.

Speaker 5 I totally get that argument, but I do have compassion on older boomers that are on fixed income

Speaker 5 and their property tax could outstrip their ability to pay for it.

Speaker 3 You know, it's true, but again, you have to think: we expect accountability in a lot of other situations. And if you're a young person whose income goes down because you get laid off,

Speaker 3 because you make a mistake in terms of, you know, you lose a lot of money on gambling or on a Counterpoint.

Speaker 5 Counterpoint. So, yes, they should be accountable, but the amount with which property values have increased is has massively benefited boomers.

Speaker 3 Some.

Speaker 5 But if you are living in,

Speaker 5 for example, I have a lot of these people in my family, actually, that just literally have lived in the same home since like the 80s, right?

Speaker 5 And so their property values have shot up tremendously, but they've never, that's like, you're taxing unrealized gains, which is something that we do not do in this this country.

Speaker 5 Essentially, that's what you could look at as a property tax that has shot up based on reassessing of property values. It's an unrealized game because they're not liquidating that asset.

Speaker 5 They're living in that asset.

Speaker 3 So they've gotten an asset that has massively increased in value.

Speaker 5 They have to do a reverse mortgage, which is maybe

Speaker 3 what they have to do. Or I'll be blunt.
Historically,

Speaker 3 older people who... don't have children in the home anymore have less mobility anyway, have less

Speaker 3 historically older people have downsized later in life You know, it's not it's not even like oh, we're not seeing poverty Winston Churchill Winston Churchill prime minister of the United Kingdom He lived in a great big house called Blenheim Palace.

Speaker 3 Mm-hmm and actually wait no, it wasn't I can't remember the name of his of his home. It wasn't Blenheim Palace.
That was his the richer people in the family.

Speaker 3 He had a big house and when he was aging and when his son

Speaker 3 was aging into adulthood and having children and Winston's kids had grown up, he built a cabin on that property, and he moved into that and he gave the big house to his son.

Speaker 3 Now, I'm not saying you have to give your home to your children, but I'm saying we have a tradition of if you're aging and you have less money, it's an entirely reasonable and normal thing to downsize your consumption.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 3 we are allowing...

Speaker 5 Consumption is like, I mean, a modest like quarter-acre lot and a single-family home.

Speaker 5 And you just like the neighborhood around you became multi-million dollar homes and yours is still sort of like unimproved but you're just you're happy living there and this is like you paid for it you should have the right to stay there that's well if you could afford the property taxes five years ago and all of a sudden they shot up because you got a reassessment then that again i have compassion i have it's just it's in the big

Speaker 5 what people are raging against is these boomers that are accumulating multiple rental houses and they're buying up all these houses on the market. That's what people are raging against.

Speaker 5 Those people should not be benefiting from a property tax deal.

Speaker 4 But no, but in general, the boomers also account for, I'm looking at it now, 53% of all home sales and then they also account for 42% of all home buyers.

Speaker 4 So they're buying up homes and that's what's creating this problem where people are getting hit.

Speaker 5 Maybe it's means tested. I don't know.
Maybe there's like a, maybe there's like a different way to do it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Jack, Jack, what do you say on the boomer question?

Speaker 2 No, I'm largely, Blake, I'm largely with you on this.

Speaker 2 You know, I do think there's obviously you know, things that should be done to, you know, try to maintain this within some sense of reason.

Speaker 2 But I do think that it's, I think that it's kind of silly for people to think that they can just live in a society and not have to pay for any upkeep of that society, community, or system whatsoever.

Speaker 2 It's like, like, are you... you know, are you defending your home yourself 24-7?

Speaker 2 Are you using no public services whatsoever? I highly doubt it. I'm just saying, I highly doubt it.
And even if you are someone who isn't, right?

Speaker 2 You know, let's say, let's say, even if you are 247, 365, totally self-sustaining, guess what? If something does happen, who are you going to call? You're going to call 911. You're going to call,

Speaker 2 you're going to, hopefully, you can go to court. You can hopefully have a system of justice to be able to backstop all of it.
And so you do, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Like, I think it's this weird kind of like, you know, quasi, I don't want to grow up and eat my vegetables, you know, sort of like conservatarian thing that you just gotta, you just gotta grow up at some point.

Speaker 5 You just have have to grow up i will say this realize that when you live in a society that includes uh some kind of mutual buy-in it really does i know i i agree with you i mean just to betray my previous words my bias is towards young americans obviously i work with turning point and i've been with charlie for eight years plus so i i mean i'm i'm with you and i i'm just saying there are certain instances kind of like when we were talking about snap where you're like

Speaker 5 that actually is really hard it's going to be really really hard for actual legitimate cases that are surviving subsistence living off snap.

Speaker 5 There's a lot of abuse to it, and so would love to get rid of the, I would presume it's probably an 80-20 issue where it's 20% legitimate users and 80%

Speaker 5 just phony fraudsters.

Speaker 5 And I would say it's probably something like that when it comes to who deserves to maybe have their property tax frozen or diminished in a state like Texas versus 80% of boomers that could probably afford it and really just need to take their medicine.

Speaker 5 I'm just saying, I have some compassion. Obviously, I want

Speaker 5 I'm open-minded about 98% of the ideas that would make it more affordable for young people to buy homes and get a stake in the well.

Speaker 4 I see in our emails they're already pretty upset, but if we want to throw up 312, just real quick, that's the graph I was referencing, and that's what's going to radicalize many people.

Speaker 5 What are we looking at?

Speaker 4 So, younger boomers and older boomers, both, if you put just that whole generation of boomers together, account for 53% of all home sales, according to the National Association of Realtors and Fortune, and they also account for 42% of all home buyers.

Speaker 2 Why is it both red? This chart is really annoying.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I didn't create it, but it's not that.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 because both colors are red,

Speaker 5 well, so the dark red is the sellers, and the light red is the buyers, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. It's just like, it's like, what idiot put this together? It's really bad.

Speaker 4 The National Association of Realtors.

Speaker 5 So I will say that the older boomers and younger boomers are selling far, their sales of homes is far outstripped.

Speaker 4 But they're also buying at 42%.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I get that. You know,

Speaker 5 it's interesting. But

Speaker 5 at least their net average is that they're releasing more inventory onto the market.

Speaker 3 I will say that.

Speaker 5 I think it's time for us to wrap things up here, gentlemen. I got to catch a plane.
It's been a busy day.

Speaker 2 By the way, shout out to,

Speaker 2 just because you mentioned Snap real quick, shout out to the new account out there, EBT of TikTok. I don't know if you guys have been following that one yet.

Speaker 2 Actually, I realized halfway through the show that we probably should have done a segment on this because EBT, there's apparently a new genre on TikTok where people who are on EBT get to put up, we'll have to save this for next week or something,

Speaker 2 which I believe we'll all be together in person next week. And, oh, and we should also say that in a second, we'll talk about Tuesday night.

Speaker 2 But yeah, people talk about their EBT hauls, basically what they're buying using Snap Benefits and Food Stamps and how much they can bilk out of the system. And they just brag about it on TikTok.

Speaker 5 Yep.

Speaker 5 And by the way, Jack, if they don't get their EBT turned back on on November 1st,

Speaker 3 they're going to

Speaker 5 Shoplifting, National Shoplifting Day.

Speaker 3 Look, Snap gets shut down. We'll have a very easy.
I think we'll get a full episode of this. Can I get a beep? We'll get a full episode.

Speaker 3 This is going to be great.

Speaker 3 Hell yeah. That's going to be a beep.

Speaker 3 It's funny.

Speaker 5 We're going to have National Shoplifting Day across the nation.

Speaker 3 Oh, there he is.

Speaker 3 Now we got it. Charlie would be bad.
Guys, it's okay.

Speaker 2 It's okay. Andrew can say this because, as we remember, he's part Mexican.

Speaker 5 I'm also Jewish, according to the chat, which is hilarious.

Speaker 4 This is gone off the rails.

Speaker 5 I know this is going off the rails. Apparently I'm Jewish, which is not true.

Speaker 3 That's not true.

Speaker 5 My dad saw some comment somewhere that was like, Andrew's Jewish. He's like, I almost created an account to just tell him my my son is not Jewish, but that's fine.

Speaker 3 What are you going to do?

Speaker 5 I was born Catholic. I got saved in college.
I'm evangelical, I guess. Non-denomination.
I guess. I don't know.
I just don't like being pigeonholed as evangelical, whatever. I'm a Christian.

Speaker 5 That's how I look at it.

Speaker 5 Final thoughts, Blake.

Speaker 3 Man. Final thoughts.
We need to cease our rebellion. against God's time.
We must submit to the noonday sun as God ordained it. When it is noon, the sun is directly overhead.

Speaker 3 We're not doing this crap where it's at 2 p.m.

Speaker 2 We're not going to do that.

Speaker 3 We must cease our rebellion.

Speaker 4 I guess wish everybody a happy Halloween and Jack a good day of terrorizing the neighborhood around him. And tonight, and so, yeah, congratulations, Jack, on doing that.

Speaker 5 My final thoughts are, what a great event at Ole Miss. And we talked about it on the Charlie Kirk show today.
It was just like, it was so phenomenal. and I'm still buzzing from it.

Speaker 5 And we talked about it with Jesse Waters tonight. So that's my final thought.
Jack, you should take us home and preview Tuesday night.

Speaker 2 Tuesday night,

Speaker 2 for those asking, of course, we know it's going to be election night here in the United States. And

Speaker 2 as such, the traditional election night super stream on the Charlie Kirk show, the Charlie Kirk Rumble Channel, will continue. And we will all be in person in the Charlie Kirk studio.

Speaker 2 Yes, the Tuesday, the Thought Crime Crew, the Super Stream. We are all going to be there.
We're going to be going through this directly. We're going to go through the results.

Speaker 2 It might be a late night. It might now we know, obviously, the three big races: New Jersey, New York, and Virginia, those are all East Coast time.

Speaker 2 So, hopefully, not too late of a night, but we are going to be up. We are going to be here, and this will be your election station come election night this Tuesday.

Speaker 2 And of course, look, Charlie loved the election streams. Charlie loved the live streams on election night.
That's, I mean, he built so much of this channel by doing that.

Speaker 2 And we know that Charlie would be looking down saying, guys, you got to go live. You got to go live.
So we're going to do it.

Speaker 5 He loved doing the orchestra. He was like the orchestra, you know, the conductor of the orchestra.

Speaker 5 The conductor, yeah. Yeah, he was, he would just like, he had like a pace to him.
So we're going to do our best, Charlie Kirk impression that night.

Speaker 5 Uh, we will miss him greatly, but we have to do it in his honor. So, there we have it.
All right, Jack, take us home. I got to catch a plane,

Speaker 2 ladies and gentlemen. Go out there and commit more thought crime.

Speaker 3 To my surprise, he did the match,

Speaker 3 he did the monster match. The monster match,

Speaker 3 it was a graveyard smack. He did the match,

Speaker 3 it got on and flagged. He did the match,

Speaker 3 he did the monster match.

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