Charlie's Warning on Islam in His Final Days

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We are talking about the creeping Islamization of the West or Islamification. It's debatable which Islamization.
Islamization. Islamization.

Speaker 3 Islamization of the West. And it's key today because we have, of course, Zoram Mamdani, arguably the most powerful Muslim in America, meeting President Trump at the White House today.

Speaker 3 Apparently, he reached out. Trump accepted the invitation, and they are meeting at the White House today.
Also,

Speaker 3 we have...

Speaker 3 you know, lots of other news to get to, including a fake WAPO story. The State Department is coming out swinging.
There's a lot to get to. But let's start here with Mamdani.

Speaker 3 Is this significant or is it not significant, Blake, that we have a Muslim communist socialist, whatever you want to call him, visiting the White House?

Speaker 3 I mean, we've mentioned the Islamic thing, but mostly with Mamdani. Mamdani's clearly not a devout Muslim in any meaningful way.

Speaker 3 He like just identifies with Islam to say, I'm not American, I'm not Western.

Speaker 3 I follow this alien faith that is historically anti-West, anti-Western civilization, which I condemn all the time and want to rip down. That's the only way he's Muslim in a meaningful sense.

Speaker 3 Now, if you want to see real Islamic government, go to the UK, where you straight up have, you know, Allahu Akbar guys who are running for office, where Gaza is their number one issue.

Speaker 3 You know, it's really bad. You go walk around Birmingham, where the Industrial Revolution began.
That was the Silicon Valley of the 19th century.

Speaker 3 And it's now tons of radical mosques, imams who say we need Sharia, people just milling about...

Speaker 3 It basically looks like it's Baghdad. Well, I do think this is still a step in that direction, though, even if he isn't as radical as some of these a la Ak people.
Oh, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 But um, yeah, but Blake, you're right. There's actually someone literally ran in Manchester under the party umbrella of Palestine.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like not labor, not conservative, just Palestine, and they actually won. Yeah, and so that that's that's kind of the representation of this Islam mindset that you get.

Speaker 3 But it's also interesting that Momdani is going to meet with Trump when I think he said, Do we have that clip where he says that his administration is going to be the worst nightmare for Trump they might and then as soon as he gets elected he's going well it'll be really interesting to hear how it goes because you can think of a few ways one Trump is a very proud New Yorker he clearly has a ton of fondness for the city so I can frankly see if the mayor makes noises about wanting to play ball with him.

Speaker 3 I feel like Trump could be won over surprisingly easily.

Speaker 3 But it could also be that Mayor Mamdani sees this as an opportunity to do a big stunt.

Speaker 3 He can get a story story about how he had a throwdown argument with Trump in the Oval Office or wherever they're meeting and get a lot of attention that way. I feel

Speaker 3 either person could be going into that meeting with an agenda. Maybe both of them are, and we'll find out what that agenda is.

Speaker 3 380 clip. Yeah, exactly.
380 as Zoron changes his tune on Trump. Play it.

Speaker 2 My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare.

Speaker 4 I have many disagreements with the president, and I believe that we should be relentless and pursue all avenues and all meetings that could make our city affordable for every single New Yorker.

Speaker 4 I intend to make it clear to President Trump that I will work with him on any agenda that benefits New Yorkers.

Speaker 3 It's always fun to watch people change their technology. Politics is great.

Speaker 3 But by the way, this is, you know, we talk, again, I can't stop thinking about Helen Andrews' interview, which again, I encourage everybody to go check it out.

Speaker 3 The great feminization, but this is typical, like, dude behavior. Guys tend to, like, they saber-rattle, they say big things, and then they're like, hey, let's hang out.

Speaker 3 Let's hear President Trump 392 talking about the tone that he expects within the White House meeting today.

Speaker 5 Well, I was hitting him a little hard, too, in all fairness. I don't know exactly what he means by turn the volume up, because turn the volume up, he has to be careful when he says that to me.

Speaker 5 I mean, he was very nice in calling, as you know, and we're going to have a meeting. I guess we meet at three o'clock today, and I think it's going to be quite civil.
We'll find out.

Speaker 3 This is very Trumpian.

Speaker 3 Super Trumpian. Yeah,

Speaker 3 this is Super Trump. Yeah, yeah, super Trump.
It's like Super Tramp. Oh, you're too young to know what that is.

Speaker 3 Well, but if it is interesting, because, you know, Mom Donnie, when we've said this, we've conceded this point that he's a

Speaker 3 talented politician in the sense that even his acceptance speech where he was like, turn the volume up, President.

Speaker 3 A lot of sociopaths are good up. Yeah, well, no, exactly.
And so, you know, he's smiling his way. But this is great.

Speaker 3 Is that when he gets challenged on things, he ends up really revealing that there's not a whole lot there. The Emperor has no clothes.
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Speaker 6 How are you getting that money, the $700 million to make the buses free, into the MCA if she's not for raising taxes?

Speaker 7 You know, I think that the two clearest ways to raise that money is through the raising of the state's corporate tax to matches in New Jersey. I think that a lot of this is still a case to be made.

Speaker 7 Whether it's the corporate tax, whether it's the personal personal income tax on those who make more than a million dollars a year or more, I think that these are the clearest ways.

Speaker 7 I've also said that if there are other ways to raise this funding, the most important fact is that we fund it. Not the question of how we do it, but that we do it.

Speaker 3 So we don't have the money. The thing that I said we were going to do to fund the free buses and the free stuff socialism, the free stuff populism, we can't do it, but it's fine.

Speaker 3 We're going to figure it out. Blake, there's, you know, that's fair enough.
We'll see. We'll see.
We'll see. But that's actually, I think that's okay.
Like, we shouldn't be too scared because, like,

Speaker 3 look, I just think to the Biden administration, literally as soon as he got elected, Turning Point got an audit, like, immediately. And, like, he, they, they went straight after the J Sixers.

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They went after our team. And so they spied on us.
They spied on us.

Speaker 3 Turning point was involved unknowingly in Arctic Frost, which means they were spying spying on this organization. Our own government spied on Turning Point.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so I'll just say, I'll take this version of Mom Tani. There's a lot of save-rattling.
But on top of that,

Speaker 3 it shows how unserious of a person he is in a very serious city in the United States of America, where it's just a lot of noise, but not a lot of substance. Well, but here's the thing.

Speaker 3 I really believe that if there was not a President Trump in the White House, if we did not have control of Congress, both the House and the Senate, that these people would be unleashed to become their worst versions of themselves, and the tyranny would spread rapidly.

Speaker 3 So, what you're seeing is you're seeing the rumblings of a beginning, and

Speaker 3 that will take full bloom if allowed. And I think that's why we talked about why Dearborn is important.
What happened yesterday is it's a precursor of this sectarian civil strife that

Speaker 3 eventually will and could erupt into actual violence in the streets between Christians and Muslims if this is allowed to fester.

Speaker 3 And my case in point historically is Lebanon. Lebanon used to be basically 100% Christian.
It was controlled by the French. Blake, you're going to know the history better than I.

Speaker 3 But then they sort of cast off their colonial powers, and now Lebanon is

Speaker 3 between 15 to 30%.

Speaker 3 Lebanon was created to be the Christian country in the Middle East. It is no longer a Christian country.

Speaker 3 We don't know the percentage because it's too politically loaded what their demographics are, so nobody ever can conduct a census. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Estimated at about 30% Christian. That's what they always will say that.
It's probably lower, to be honest.

Speaker 3 It's probably way less because the Christians are wealthier and they got out of Dodge because there was a civil war. Shocker, because when your country becomes more Islamic, it becomes a violent dump.

Speaker 3 Well, and that's essentially... What we all have to sort of brace for and why we are warning about the Islamization.
It's really remarkable.

Speaker 3 I can riff here, but like, we just had Saudi Arabia visit DC, and everything that's going on in the Gulf states is they are rapidly becoming less Islamist by offloading all of their radicals into the West.

Speaker 3 It's really glaring.

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Speaker 3 All right, Blake Neft, walk us through this State Department tweet because it is in a word-based. Yeah, all right.
No, no, that's just so it's just a thread. I'll just read the whole thing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, State Twelve. 389.
Mass migration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the stability of key American allies. Today, the State Department instructed U.S.

Speaker 3 embassies to report on the human rights implications and public safety impacts of mass migration. Mass migration is a human rights concern.

Speaker 3 Western nations have endured crime waves, terror attacks, sexual assaults, and displacement of communities. U.S.

Speaker 3 officials will urge governments to take bold action and defend citizens against the threats posed by mass migration. Officials will, I'm just going to skip ahead when they cite some examples.

Speaker 3 In the United Kingdom, thousands of girls have been victimized in Rotherham, Oxford, and and Newcastle by grooming gangs involving migrant men.

Speaker 3 Many girls were left to suffer unspeakable abuse for years before authorities stepped in.

Speaker 3 In Sweden, an Eritrean migrant convicted of raping a 16-year-old girl was allowed to remain in the country after a judge ruled that the incident was not a, quote,

Speaker 3 exceptionally serious crime and did not warrant deportation. In Germany, nine men, several of them migrants, were convicted for the gang rape of a 15-year-old.

Speaker 3 A German woman who insulted one of the rapists online was given a harsher sentence than the perpetrators themselves. U.S.

Speaker 3 officials will now scrutinize policies in Western nations that give leniency to migrant crime and human rights abuses or that create two-tiered systems that prioritize migrants at the expense of their own citizens.

Speaker 3 The U.S. supports the sovereignty of our allies and calls on governments to engage with the growing number of citizens concerned about mass migration.

Speaker 3 We stand ready to assist our allies in solving the global crisis of migration. Wow.
Yes.

Speaker 3 I am pretty sure. I haven't confirmed.
I'm pretty sure our friend Sarah Rogers was involved in making that policy, but she hasn't confirmed.

Speaker 3 We cannot confirm. I know it is as close to her heart as it is close to mine.
It is

Speaker 3 something she and Charlie talked about. You should find that meme, the light switch meme, because it really is.
If you want to know what it is, and listen, I'm not scapegoating.

Speaker 3 There are good immigrants. I get it.
And some of them are very patriotic, and we're lucky to have them. However, a policy of mass migration, one of the things that really bothers me is this,

Speaker 3 what it's mentioned in this tweet about the displacement of communities. I was just on a phone call with a friend last night who lives in Dallas.

Speaker 3 And he said that his parents live in a neighborhood next to him.

Speaker 3 And it used to be this neighborhood with Halloween trick-or-treating that all the kids would go out and Christmas lights and they would have block parties.

Speaker 3 And now he said it's basically all Indians, that all the former residents of that neighborhood have been displaced, moved out.

Speaker 3 The way that they interact with their neighbors is really uncomfortable. There's a lot of glaring that goes on with the women.
I'm not saying that's all of them, but

Speaker 3 this is a report from a friend that's saying, and by the way, you go to the malls there, and it's basically all Indians. Now, this is a neighborhood in Dallas, Texas, Red, Texas.

Speaker 3 And most of that is coming from H-1Bs. It's coming from legal immigration.
It's coming from family reunification policies.

Speaker 3 And that displacement used to be a liberal value that they would bemoan in long thought pieces in the Atlantic and the New Yorker when it would come to inner city gentrification during the early 2000s.

Speaker 3 They would talk about the displacement in San Francisco, in Brooklyn, and these types of places. And they write sympathetically about those communities that get displaced.

Speaker 3 Well, now with mass migration, it's Americans that are getting displaced from their own. own communities.

Speaker 3 It's Americans of all stripes, of all colors, of all backgrounds, all economic levels, and there's not a drop of sympathy from the left. That's so well said.
That was amazing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's just, well, so hopefully this is paving the way.

Speaker 3 I think what they might be setting up, it'd be very interesting if the U.S., for example, gave asylum to people who basically are persecuted for free speech reasons for saying I'd help my country to become an Islamist hellhole.

Speaker 3 But you could do other stuff. It'd be interesting if we were, because you could also set up to say, oh, well, the U.S., we have these mechanisms for caring about human rights abroad.

Speaker 3 So we're going to sanction a judge who issues something that indicates a two-tier justice ruling in the UK or in Germany.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of interesting things we could do to just start throwing our weight around a bit and saying, actually, it does matter a lot that all of our supposed NATO allies, our closest allies, are becoming places where they're replacing their own populations.

Speaker 3 They're making it illegal to complain about it. They're treating...
white people as inherent oppressors who should be punished more severely by the judicial system.

Speaker 3 They're not enforcing the law against migrants. They're letting Sharia courts take over their biggest city.

Speaker 3 We see a form of this in the United States, too, where criminals, if you happen to be of a quote-unquote, marginalized class, are allowed to terrorize communities with impunity.

Speaker 3 You saw this in Chicago this week, where maybe get me the facts on this case, but basically this gentleman had been arrested, what, like 40 priors, and then he sets a woman on fire on endlessly.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and it really is, throw it up now. I think it's the new, whatever it is, the fix everything switch.
It is so, so many of these things are so basically fixable.

Speaker 3 It's enforce the law in cities and it's stop importing 18 billion people. It's the fix everything easily switch.
And everyone's like, no, we've never, we've never pressed that switch before.

Speaker 3 It can't be that simple, but it is. Here's my thing.
It's great that the State Department is doing this. It's unfortunate that we still have mass migration to the United States.
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Speaker 3 All right, joining us now is Josh Hammer, senior editor-at-large, Newsweek, host of the Josh Hammer Show.

Speaker 3 And he has a new piece out this morning that is fascinating and near and dear to Charlie's heart. And that is a question that he spent a lot of time thinking about and talking about in his final days.

Speaker 3 What is an American? Josh Hammer, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

Speaker 8 Andrew, it's great to see you, my friend.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you too as well. So

Speaker 3 Charlie used to talk about the difference between a paperwork American versus a real American. And we were still sort of working on our working definition of what it was.

Speaker 3 I don't think we had settled the story yet or settled the debate internally, but we definitely knew that paperwork alone did not make one an American, at least in an important sense, of where their loyalties are, where their values are at, even where their language is at.

Speaker 3 Yes, there is a piece of paperwork that will infer your legal right to be here, to vote in our elections, that sort of thing. For our audience, Josh, define

Speaker 3 what the difference between the paperwork and a true American truly is.

Speaker 8 Well, Andrew, I'll do the best I can. I'm not sure that I have an elevator-pitched kind of 10-second answer to that question, but I will do the best I can.

Speaker 8 Let me take a step back and say that this whole debate kind of reminds me of this piece that I read from a University of Virginia political science professor named James Caesar many, many years ago.

Speaker 8 He was talking about, because you know, Andrew, as you know from my previous appearances here, I'm also a lawyer, so I think a lot about the separation of powers, the Constitution.

Speaker 8 And Professor Caesar has this notion where he contrasts a literal violation of the separation of powers in a black letter, Article 1, Article 2, Article 3 of the Constitution sense, versus kind of a more political violation of the separation of powers.

Speaker 8 So his point was that you could, even if you're not technically violating the separation of powers under the Supreme Court precedence or whatnot there, you could spiritually violate the overarching tenor of our separation of powers that is ultimately our number one safeguard for liberty in this country.

Speaker 8 So that's kind of the analogy that I take to this what is an American question, which I I wrote about today and was really kind of prompted by Zor Mamdani coming to visit Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 Is he an American? All these folks who are in Dearborn, Michigan, who are chanting Alhu Akbar, death to America. Is this what it means to be an American, right?

Speaker 8 I mean, all sorts of just crazy, crazy stuff.

Speaker 8 And the most recent allegations of the fraud in Minnesota when it comes to the Minnesota taxpayers being the number one subsidizer of al-Shabaab, the formerly al-Qaeda offshoot, now independent Sunni Islamic terrorist organization in Somalia.

Speaker 8 All this stuff, I think, really raises this question that that indeed Charlie was thinking a lot, a lot about in those final months. It raises it to the forefront.

Speaker 8 So the paperweight definition of being a citizen, that you are born or nationalized into citizenship, is necessary, but it is hardly sufficient.

Speaker 8 It is not sufficient, I think, to be an American in the sense of the term that we should think of being an American.

Speaker 8 American is someone who is acculturated into the inherited historical traditions, folk ways, and general just ways of life of this country.

Speaker 8 And this country, ever since its founding days, Andrew, has been really shaped by its majority Protestant culture. You hear a lot about the Protestant work ethic, things like that there.

Speaker 8 And, you know, I think about my own ancestors, right?

Speaker 8 My own ancestors, Jews from Eastern Europe who came during the Ellis Island immigration wave, late 19th century, early 20th century, for them, it was fairly obvious that you don't just have to become a citizen.

Speaker 8 You don't just have to learn the language. You don't just have to pay your taxes, do all that there.

Speaker 8 But you really do have to become deeply involved in the folkways, in the general way of life of the country there. There's something thicker, we might say.

Speaker 8 There's something morally and historically thicker than just paying your taxes and speaking the language. By the way, a lot of these folks are not doing that.

Speaker 8 They're not even paying their taxes, speaking the language. But I think for previous generations of migrants, they understood that even that is enough.

Speaker 8 That you have to really kind of become a full participant in what John Jay in the Federalist No.

Speaker 8 2, one of the first essays of the Federalist Papers, famously starts writing about, about how Americans were descended from a common stock and they had similar mannerisms and a similar religion there.

Speaker 8 And And I'm not saying that everyone has to be a Protestant.

Speaker 8 I'm Jewish, of course, but whether you're a Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, or in theory, potentially, if you're of a different religion there,

Speaker 8 you really do have to publicly acculturate yourself and publicly assimilate into the Protestant majority inherited culture that goes back hundreds of years, well before the American founding, frankly,

Speaker 8 into British culture. So that's kind of how I think about it, Andrew.
And when I see things like Michigan, what I definitely do not see is acculturated Americanism. But, you know, look, me personally,

Speaker 8 I can be an observant Jew in my private life, which I am. And praise be to God for that.
I'm very happy with that.

Speaker 8 But I am a very fully public-facing American because I fully participate in this country's civic institutions.

Speaker 8 I am engaged in the act of trying to preserve and conserve our inherited traditions from one generation to the next.

Speaker 8 And I am deeply thankful, indeed, grateful for this country's long-standing Protestant traditions, which really no one better, I think, embodied than our friend Charlie Kerr.

Speaker 3 We argued with Charlie. I remember we had one of our later thought crimes.
We had that discussion, you know, it's like,

Speaker 3 are you basically more American if you are Protestant? And obviously I'm Catholic. Jack was Catholic, but we had that dispute because I was like, America really is.
It is a Protestant country.

Speaker 3 That is what its founding is, that fractiousness, that hostility to a certain level of authority.

Speaker 3 So even American Catholics are actually a bit Protestant because they're always arguing with the Pope and finding him annoying.

Speaker 3 The most Protestant Catholics in the world are American Catholics.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's it's very funny and uh and of course you see that off with american jews as well they they adopted a lot of that and it's something i think about with the islamization thing obviously in america we have the first amendment we have freedom of religion but i've often had that thought can even the freedom of american muslims to practice their religion really survive if america becomes too much of an islamic country i feel it will lose too much of that historical heritage the historical heritage is and really the the founders of the country were talking about freedom of religion.

Speaker 3 You know, you could be a Quaker, you can be an Anglican, you can be, that's really what they were talking about. They weren't even sure if the Catholic part of the world was a great thing.

Speaker 3 We had Maryland, you know, but

Speaker 3 not by then. Okay, yeah, but the point is that really that's what they were thinking about.

Speaker 3 They were thinking about different faith traditions, denominations within the Protestant patchwork, if you will, coming from, you know, Mother England.

Speaker 3 And I do think that, you know, Charlie said this very clearly. He said, Islam is not compatible with the West.
Islam is not compatible with the West. So what do we do, Josh?

Speaker 3 I mean, you say it really well here. You say, you, you kind of reflect on Dearborn, and you say, the United States was never a blank slate society.
Like any nation has a distinct inheritance.

Speaker 3 And you... you say this is the challenge of Dearborn.
It is too many distinct cultural communities now reject this framework. So what do we do?

Speaker 3 Because a lot of these people, we can't get, we can't denaturalize some of these. We can't strip them of their citizenship.

Speaker 3 We're still dealing with birthright citizenship, which I think is completely farcical. What do we do?

Speaker 8 Yeah, so let me just briefly, before I answer that question, Andrew, echo your point, which is that the American founding was really going, was supposed to be a patchwork, essentially, of different Protestant sects.

Speaker 8 In fact, the original meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, does not mean quote-unquote separation of church and state.

Speaker 8 Rather, it was actually just a federalism provision. Congress shall make no law because the states can make laws.
In fact, they literally did that for decades and decades after the founding.

Speaker 8 For instance, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts had the established church of Congregationalism until the 1830s. There's many other examples there.
So, your point is actually very well taken.

Speaker 8 There also were Jews and Catholics who were there at the time of the founding. It was definitely heavily Protestant, but Jews and Catholics were very much there.

Speaker 8 For instance, the no-religious test clause in the Constitution where there will be

Speaker 8 no test for office, no oath of a certain religion. And that was Alexander Hamilton's work.
He put that in there.

Speaker 8 Historians typically say on behalf of his Jewish friends and colleagues there, some people debate that, but there was definitely an element there of trying to look out for the Jews and Catholics.

Speaker 8 So they were definitely there, but it really was this Protestant patchwork. So your point is very well taken.

Speaker 8 Look, Charlie is essentially, or he was essentially correct that Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. I define Western civilization, Andrew.

Speaker 8 I define it as the ecumenical biblical inheritance. Now, there is a role, certainly, for Greco-Roman reason.
There is a big role, frankly, for Greco-Roman reason.

Speaker 8 But when we talk about what the West is at its core, it is the outgrowth of the Bible. It is the outgrowth of the two biblical religions of Judaism and Christianity.

Speaker 8 That is how I define the West, and that is how I conceive it. So is Islam compatible with that? Well, at a theoretical level, no.
I mean, it seems pretty obvious, frankly, that it is not.

Speaker 8 Islam has been at war with Christianity and obviously Judaism in more modern times, but really historically at war with Christianity essentially

Speaker 8 since Islam was founded.

Speaker 8 So, I mean, the historical record, whether it's the siege of Vienna in the 17th century, whether it's the First and Second Barbary Wars under the Jefferson and Madison presidency, there is a long historical track record evincing that Islam is not broadly compatible with Western civilization.

Speaker 8 Here's what I will say: here's the caveat to that. That is not that that blanket categorical statement is not to say that there are not individual dispensations.

Speaker 8 That's not to say that each and every individual Muslim cannot be a good American.

Speaker 8 So, Abe Hamadai, right there in Arizona, Judy Jasser, also in Arizona, any number of other individuals I can think of.

Speaker 8 There are any number of patriotic, great American citizen Muslims, but at a categorical scale, at a categorical scale, no, I do not think Islam is compatible with Western civilization or, frankly, with Safi American.

Speaker 3 So what do we do?

Speaker 3 Do we stop

Speaker 3 mass immigration from Islamic countries?

Speaker 8 So stopping mass immigration, I think, is the lowest hanging fruit. We should obviously do that.

Speaker 8 Personally, Andrew, I have to subscribe to a short-term, full-scale immigration moratorium, period, full-stop, end of story.

Speaker 8 But definitely, definitely a moratorium when it comes to every Muslim majority.

Speaker 3 I want a 10-year moratorium.

Speaker 3 That's what I want to push. There just doesn't seem to be an appetite for that yet in Washington, to even address the legal question.

Speaker 8 There's not.

Speaker 8 I mean, Trump to his credit got behind this with the Rays Acts back in his first term. Yeah, Tom Cotton.

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Speaker 3 I'm going to play a clip from Charlie talking about the

Speaker 3 what is that American question. Let's go ahead and play cut 403.

Speaker 1 We have reduced Americanism down to, well, have you filled out your paperwork? And the left doesn't even believe that. They believe Americans is the presence of being in the United States of America.

Speaker 1 So what is an American?

Speaker 1 The best way I can answer it, it is someone that has demonstrated through objective measurements and markers that this is home, that you have more than respect or reverence, that you're willing to die, that you are all in, that this is a place that you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for.

Speaker 1 This is not a dumping ground for the third world. This is not a social experiment.

Speaker 1 You had a tear in your eye on July 4th, that you worship God,

Speaker 1 not Allah.

Speaker 1 That

Speaker 1 you have a sense of weight and responsibility, that you care about your fellow neighbor. An American is more than just someone that has a U.S.
passport.

Speaker 3 I think it's fair to say that Charlie Kirk is the literal embodiment of what America is.

Speaker 3 Yeah, not the least because he basically looks like he fell out of like 1775.

Speaker 3 It just comes out of his pores, man. And I just love it.
You get a tear in your eye on July 4th. Do you worship God, not Allah? Blake.

Speaker 3 Yeah, just what's funny is at this point, it's almost that clip we just played doesn't go far enough because it's not even the left thinks you're American if you live here.

Speaker 3 The left actually has pretty much inverted it where you're only an American if you are not from here.

Speaker 3 If you're actually from America, you're somehow not a real American because

Speaker 3 you don't hold the right views on this or that thing. The superior American is always the American who hasn't been found yet.

Speaker 3 We need to have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to go and find all the Americans scattered throughout the entire world and bring them here to give them wealth. No, it's true.

Speaker 3 I mean, Democrats and their socialist and communist coalition partners, I mean, they essentially want an America where borders are open, drugs pour in from abroad, crime is allowed because, you know, racism.

Speaker 3 Foreigners rule over native-born citizens. White people are taxed into subjugation.
Men are compliant, quiet, and castrated. Little girls share bathrooms with perverted men.

Speaker 3 Christianity is outlawed while Muslim call to prayer rings out in the streets. Truth is censored.

Speaker 3 And, you know, the military can coup a sitting president if they think that he's doing something that they don't like. Josh, I want to flip the conversation a little bit to that direction.

Speaker 3 You're a lawyer, and there's a lot of argument about this video that the seditious six, as they're calling them now,

Speaker 3 have put out basically saying, hey, you shouldn't obey the president. President comes out and says, hey, guess what?

Speaker 3 The penalty for sedition,

Speaker 8 seditious seditious conspiracy is death and then every all hell breaks loose and so that's our current moment what is sedition define it for us josh in legal terms and did it did this meet the the threshold well sedition andrew would be a plot to overthrow the regime uh a a plot to to overthrow the american government to to uh potentially to assassinate the president uh to try to to to do what you can illegally to to to essentially destroy the the very existence of the house of representatives absent a constitutional amendment.

Speaker 8 These would be possible grounds for sedition. Now, this video was disgusting.
I mean, I did a whole episode on it on my own show. I said this is clearly incitement to insurrection.

Speaker 8 Is it literally sedition?

Speaker 8 I mean, the reason I'm hesitating, Andrew, is because when you have elected officials like this, it seems to me like there is a potentially another remedy in place rather than trying to prosecute on grounds of sedition, which is that you could also just try to expel these members of Congress.

Speaker 8 You could try to expel Senator Kelly, Senator Slotkin, people like like that there. That is something that that's one possible remedy.

Speaker 8 You know, as a lawyer, I think not just about the possible crime, but about remedies as well. So one remedy could just be expelling.
There's also, of course, the remedy of the ballot box.

Speaker 8 Look, I definitely would not be upset. I mean, if the DOJ really decides to pursue this thing and actually decides to say that this is a literal seditious conspiracy.

Speaker 8 It's a total cell phone in the politics, by the way. I mean,

Speaker 8 who are they playing to? I mean, literally, who are they playing to other than the most radical elements of the Mandani coalition? It's absolutely nuts.

Speaker 3 It came out of nowhere, too.

Speaker 3 And then you've got this Representative Crowe basically saying, well, I wasn't calling for them to disobey anything just yet. Well, we have three years left of Trump.

Speaker 3 And I just wanted to, you know, I wanted to bring up the possibility. I mean, it's so that's complete.
You're absolutely right. The politics of it were insane.
So they've cell phoned themselves.

Speaker 3 But I think what President Trump was rightfully doing, I'll be honest, like, the first time I saw it, I thought, I was like, okay, you guys are trying to be cute with illegal orders.

Speaker 3 Like, who's to define what's illegal? Is drug boats in the international water bombing those? Is that illegal to you? Is National Guard troops in

Speaker 3 Chicago or Portland? Is that illegal to you? So I knew they were being cute, but then when President Trump got really upset about it, I was like, you know what? He's right.

Speaker 3 Like, these people are playing with fire, and they need to be warned. They need a brushback pitch.
I don't think that, I agree.

Speaker 3 I don't think the remedy necessarily needs to be immediately, let's, like, you know, try them for treason. But at the same time, they needed a brushback pitch, brushback pitch.

Speaker 3 Josh Hammer, final word to you, one minute.

Speaker 8 Yeah, no, look, I mean, but this is who they are, Andrew. I think the point that I will leave the audience on is this.

Speaker 8 We are now almost a year and a half since Butler, Pennsylvania. We are now over a year since the second attempted assassination in West Palm Beach, Florida.

Speaker 8 And obviously, here we are two and a half months or two plus months after the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk. And they're still doing this.

Speaker 8 They're still talking about Trump as a Hitler-right, tyrannical figure. They're still talking about the American government as a bunch of Nazis.

Speaker 8 They're still talking about playing fast and loose with sedition.

Speaker 8 All the while they're flooding this country with people who hate America, who are not really Americans in a thicker, meaningful sense of the term.

Speaker 8 It's all just totally dystopian and is yet another reminder that we have to do everything we can possibly do to keep these wretched Harrodins out of power in the United States.

Speaker 3 Well said, well said. Josh Hammer, host of the Josh Hammer Show, Editor at Large News Week.
A great new piece on what is an American? Check it out. Josh, thanks for joining us, my friend.

Speaker 8 My pleasure. Thanks, Andrew.

Speaker 3 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.