Charlie Was Right Again

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Speaker 3 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, joined by Blake Neff, another one of the producers around here.
Blake, good morning to you.

Speaker 3 Morning.

Speaker 3 We're going to start today's show with a Charlie Kirk prediction that has come to pass, it seems.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we saw this. We know there's a lot going on, but we really wanted to flag this.
I think people would like it.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 2 It gets at a lot of what made people love Charlie so much, which was he was always focused on the future, on building the coalition, on finding the common ground, on beating the real bad guys, which is the insane communist anti-civilization left that wants to destroy us all.

Speaker 3 The Red-Green Alliance, which is what he was focused on at the end of his life, and we will remain focused on because it remains the key threat, I believe, to the future of our civilization.

Speaker 3 There's many threats, but that is the key one.

Speaker 3 And of course, the prediction that we are referring to is the reunion, the reuniting of Elon Musk and President Donald Trump, which took place last night officially at a black tide dinner at the White House that was honoring Muhammad bin Salman.

Speaker 4 I guess red, green, crown prince.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so we are.

Speaker 4 It was an investment.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we had a state visit of the Saudi crown prince to their first state visit in, I think, seven years,

Speaker 2 announcing more investments of Saudi oil money into the United States, some strategic partnerships there. This is, of course, part of his broader push to also bring peace to the Middle East.

Speaker 2 But Elon Musk was there because Elon Musk is apparently going to be investing his own AI initiatives in data centers in Saudi Arabia. Don't need to get into all of that.

Speaker 2 The point is, it was the first time Musk was at the White House since he left back in May.

Speaker 3 So, well, in June 2025 is where the feud really took off. And, of course, Elon invested about $300 million into the election of President Trump in 2024.

Speaker 3 He headed up the Doge Office of Government Efficiency in the White House. Then they had this bitter public feud in a beautiful bill.

Speaker 2 He said it was too much spending. He said it was, he basically said it was a dastard.
He said Trump would be in the Epstein files. He was saying lots of pretty low-blow stuff.

Speaker 3 He ended up deleting that one. Yes.
And he admitted it was probably a bit too far.

Speaker 2 And so that was all blowing up. I remember the day it happened, we went live on Thought Crime.
I think it was the normal night for it.

Speaker 2 But if it wasn't, we may have gone live just because it was so dramatic. And that was June 5th.
And during that show, Charlie made this prediction. Let's play clip 241.

Speaker 5 Donald Trump's in a feud. Men fight.
Big news, big deal. Get over it.
Focus on the policies. Focus on the victories.
And they will continue.

Speaker 1 It's all going to be okay. Again, I will say right here, you can mark it down.
By Christmas, maybe before that, there will be like a surprise.

Speaker 1 Elon Musk comes for dinner, comes for dessert at Mar-a-Lago. You know, leaked New York Times.
Elon Musk spotted at Mar-a-Lago. I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 If you nail that one,

Speaker 2 I guess I'll just be really impressed.

Speaker 1 I could be wrong. I'm just saying, by Christmas, don't be shocked.

Speaker 2 Well, here we are. It's not even Thanksgiving yet.

Speaker 3 My favorite part of that is you chiming in. And by the the way, I barely recognized you because you got a

Speaker 3 pretty clean shaven at the time. But I love that you have to chime and be like, if you nail that one,

Speaker 2 I'll be really impressed. And I'm really impressed.
I am really impressed. And

Speaker 2 another part of it that I think a lot of people have already realized, and you mentioned leaked New York Times. So this is the article, The New York Times, two days ago.

Speaker 2 And they say, quote, September appeared to be a turning point in Mr.

Speaker 2 Musk's relationship with Mr. Trump.
Musk said that he had been invited to a high-profile dinner with tech executives hosted by Trump. He sent one of his aides in his place, but then Mr.

Speaker 2 Musk approached Mr. Trump at the memorial service for Charlie Kirk.
They had an animated conversation for several minutes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're seeing it there, that conversation they had, that was captured on television. Mr.
Musk, who friends say was very emotionally affected by Mr.

Speaker 2 Kirk's death, posted a picture online of the exchange.

Speaker 2 That image of that exchange, I believe it got, I think he said for Charlie, and I think it got 76 million views.

Speaker 3 283.

Speaker 4 There it is, right there.

Speaker 2 For Charlie. Yep, 76 million.

Speaker 3 So I just want, like, that picture. I remember I was backstage at the memorial, and

Speaker 3 somebody showed me a picture of them, and I posted it, and I said, I hope that they're looking at each other, saying,

Speaker 3 for Charlie.

Speaker 3 And about an hour later, Musk tweeted that for Charlie. And I can't prove it, but I like to think that Elon saw that tweet and thought, you know what, let's do it.

Speaker 3 And it makes my heart happy because I knew, I know, and you know how much this meant to Charlie.

Speaker 2 Yes, and it's not that they're aligned on everything. It's that it's what Charlie would care about.
It's being aligned on the core things.

Speaker 2 He said there was another bid he did in July when they were still fighting, and he said, I think they're going to realize that they maybe disagree on spending, they may disagree on particulars of immigration policy.

Speaker 2 And this is, you know, Musk was talking about starting starting his own party, running third party.

Speaker 2 And he said, I think Musk will realize that if I just allow Zoron Mamdani or these other radical left-wing lunatics to come back into power, I'm going to not get any of the changes I want on spending.

Speaker 2 And I'm still going to get all of their, you know, radically anti-industry, anti-free market, anti-American, anti-white people values.

Speaker 2 They're all going to come flooding back and will destroy this country because of some personal beef that we have. And he really

Speaker 2 nailed that one, that we have to move on from those things. We have to be able to build our alliances, maintain those alliances, even when it's difficult.
I want to play another Charlie clip here.

Speaker 2 Let's do,

Speaker 2 I think we have, let's do clip 254.

Speaker 1 Now, it might seem as if this is irreconcilable between President Trump and Elon Musk. How could they ever come back together after all this back and forth? It's just as nasty as you could imagine.

Speaker 1 And it seems as if that it's only going to increase. But President Trump has in front of us

Speaker 1 a rather dramatic and telling track record of being able to reconcile and work with people that were otherwise considered to be sworn enemies of MAGA.

Speaker 2 He nailed it. He nailed it.
We got a great email here from Kevin.

Speaker 2 He says, this fulfilled prediction by Charlie is precisely the reason I said for years that Charlie was the true heir to the wisdom of Rush Limbaugh, his favorite radio host. Yes, he was.

Speaker 2 And prayers as you continue to fight for what Charlie was fighting for. Thank you.
Thank you, Kevin. And anyone else who has thoughts, please email us, Freedom at CharlieKirkirk.

Speaker 3 We're going to try and get our email reading game back on track. Yesterday, we didn't get to as many as we wanted to.
So today, please send emails, freedom at charliekirk.com.

Speaker 3 You know, this all reminds me, by the way, I have not stopped thinking about Helen Andrews, our interview.

Speaker 3 If you haven't seen it, please check it out on the podcast, wherever you get your podcast, Apple, Spotify, wherever. It was a really important conversation.

Speaker 3 I'd love that it was coming from a woman because one of the things she talked about,

Speaker 3 we'd have been in trouble. But so she writes in this article, it was the great feminization.
And this is a particular skill set of men. Now, we love you, women.
You guys are truly important.

Speaker 3 We have a bunch of ladies that work on this team and they are amazing. But this is one of the pieces she wrote in this.

Speaker 3 And she's talked about how men over time have developed customs and approaches to war. And this reminds me of Elon and Trump.

Speaker 3 And Charlie understood this.

Speaker 3 She says, the point of war is to settle disputes between two tribes, but it only works if peace is restored after the dispute is settled.

Speaker 3 Men, therefore, develop methods for reconciling with opponents and learning to live in peace with people they were fighting yesterday.

Speaker 3 Females, even in primate species, are slower to reconcile than males. This is a guy thing.

Speaker 3 And Charlie, he genuinely

Speaker 4 understood.

Speaker 2 I think it's because he went through so many of of these. So many.

Speaker 2 We'd see some of those that were behind the scenes. Just you'd have the grind, the fighting.
You'd have these attacks, and it'd be a fake out. Oh, no, actually, we don't want this fight.

Speaker 2 And he saw that, and he told the audience about it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and you could tell it was two alphas, like, you know, raging against one another. You know, Trump's threatening to hold back subsidies.
They fight each other again.

Speaker 3 They might fight again. They might.

Speaker 3 This doesn't have to be forever. But here's the thing.
What did Elon said? We must hang together because if not, we will surely hang together.

Speaker 4 We will hang separately.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that is absolutely true. We need each other.
The movement needs each other. I think there's a purging.
I'm going to make my own prediction here.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of talking about the infighting on the right, especially in the wake of Charlie's death. We will come back together.

Speaker 3 There is a purging, there is a flexing, there is a consternation happening, and that is sometimes really healthy. We will come back together.
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Speaker 3 So, Elon Musk and President Donald Trump are reunited. I think this is a very good sign.

Speaker 3 So, as we're talking about all of this, you know, I would say distractions when we're talking about the things that are separating us or dividing the coalition on the right, you know, I hear this all the time, Blake.

Speaker 3 I'm sure that you do as well, that

Speaker 3 we are sort of a mess in the wake of Charlie's assassination, that there is, we're lacking that leading voice, that guiding light. A lot of people think J.D.
Vance could be that, and he's actually at

Speaker 3 an event this morning with Breitbart that they're doing in D.C., and he's talking about a lot of these things.

Speaker 3 He's saying, hey, don't let this distraction get us in the way of understanding who the real enemy is, right?

Speaker 3 Because if the Democrats get power again, which right now we're on track for that to happen, I want everybody to be very clear that we are, if you look at all the polling, all of this, Trump's not doing as bad as Obama was in his second term.

Speaker 3 That's true. Or even George W.
Bush. But we are, we're at a nader.
There's a lot of bad vibes out there. Would you agree, Blake?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just that people are, certainly within our own coalition, people are frustrated with the election results we just had. People are

Speaker 2 worried about the economy. I think some of this is just

Speaker 2 stuff that's been continuing for several years, and it's not going to be fixed overnight.

Speaker 2 And there are people frustrated with the courts have blocked a lot of the most ambitious things Trump wants to do. People,

Speaker 2 a lot of people want there to be be more deportations. There's a lot of, and

Speaker 2 people can pick things to be aggrieved about.

Speaker 2 And one thing that happens when there's a bad vibe, as you say, is people decide to fixate on whatever they want to be aggrieved about rather than positives. And there are positives.

Speaker 2 I think it's always worth re-emphasizing to people, this is all happening in an environment where we have shut down people crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.

Speaker 2 We had this open wound that a million plus people were pouring over, two million maybe pouring over every single year, no limit, no intention to ever stop it.

Speaker 2 And we stopped it cold practically overnight. There used to be that Darien Gap.

Speaker 2 We'd have people go there and do documentary episodes of the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people pouring over into Panama from China, Africa, Southeast Asia, like all these places.

Speaker 2 And it's just gone. No one's doing it anymore.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, and this is, I totally agree. And we're also rooting out a lot of the visa issues.
We've put a $100,000 $100,000 basically fee on H-1Bs. So

Speaker 3 we are making progress. Everybody needs to just remember that.
But here's the reason why we want to talk about Elon Musk is because sometimes there's these critical initiating events that happen.

Speaker 3 And you can look back on them later and you can say that was the moment that we started turning the corner and getting back on track. And I don't think it's a coincidence that this morning, J.D.

Speaker 3 Vance is also talking about some of the same things. Keeping the main thing, the main thing, and bringing it back to what happened to Charlie is a really important clip.
287.

Speaker 6 So I think my attitude is let these debates play out, but don't let the debates that we're having internally blind us to the fact that we are up against a radical leftist movement that murdered my friend a couple of months ago and that would throw many people in the Trump administration in prison, not for doing anything illegal, but for not following the far left's agenda.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 as if we were already not spoiled for good news, I just took this as a personal sign, Blake, because sometimes I call you contrarian Blake. It's true.
It's why we love you.

Speaker 3 But then you...

Speaker 3 It just depends on the day. There's always love.
There's always love, but sometimes it's like, oh, come on, Blake.

Speaker 3 Throw up image 285.

Speaker 3 So Blake goes, hey, did you see that Homeland Security?

Speaker 2 That's a really good one. It's really

Speaker 3 good one. And I was like, wait, so it's not cringe, Blake? He's like, yeah, it wasn't cringe.

Speaker 2 Sometimes I go a little too far, but this is a perfect one. This is perfect.

Speaker 3 So this is a tweet that went out from Homeland Security. I happen to like their Twitter feed, but they say rent is too high.
There are tens of millions of criminal illegals in our country.

Speaker 3 Groceries cost too much. There are tens of millions of criminal illegals in our country.
There aren't enough jobs. There are tens of millions of criminal illegals in our country.

Speaker 3 And on and on it goes, women don't feel safe. Traffic is terrible.
Healthcare is too expensive.

Speaker 2 That's a big one. A very big one.

Speaker 3 Welfare spending is through the roof. I can't afford a car.
I can't afford a house. And it ends with, there are tens of millions of criminal illegals in our country.
Many problems. A simple answer.

Speaker 2 And it really is. For so many of them, healthcare is expensive.

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Speaker 2 And oh, it's just paid for by taxpayers. And they get, obviously, they bloated up the housing market.
They do so many things. And yeah, there's a simple switch.

Speaker 2 Have the criminal illegals who have come into your country go home.

Speaker 3 Yep.

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Speaker 3 Tyler, we're talking about redistricting. This is a fight that's going on in the country right now, and a lot of people are unaware of it.

Speaker 3 I mean, we hear about Prop 50 in California and the Texas redistricting fight made a lot of news, but there are other states that are really important. Give us the update.
Where do we stand right now?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Andrew, it's been actually crazy in the background right now because there's a lot of states that are

Speaker 4 wholly Republican dominant that are not being helpful whatsoever in the fight against Gavin Newsome and what they've done in California.

Speaker 4 So as a recap for everyone, Gavin Newsom, we know they just passed the prop for redistricting. They're going to take away essentially five-plus Republican seats off the table pretty clearly.

Speaker 4 And the only way that you can combat that is with our big Republican states and then a bunch of these other smaller Republican states that can kind of cobble together to help offset this really manipulative hijacking of the electoral system that Gavin Newsom has entered into.

Speaker 4 And this is all important because remember, Gavin is doing this in part because

Speaker 4 this is helpful to him in looking like the savior for the Democrat Party as he tries to run for president in 2028. So,

Speaker 4 everything's interconnected. It's all possible.
Right now, Indiana, who has Republican state senators in districts that Trump won by 20 to 30 points, that are

Speaker 4 pushing back on redistricting to get net two seats. So, Indiana, you know, one of the historically most Republican states in the country outside of the sad Obama blip that happened in 2008.

Speaker 4 But was a, that was a, they swear that was not normal.

Speaker 4 It really has been one of the most Republican states that we have in the nation. Really has also very Republican metropolitan areas.

Speaker 4 And there is real justification for a solid through and through red state plan map. If you map it out very fairly, very squarely

Speaker 4 for that.

Speaker 4 But because of the way the process that redistricting works on, and everybody that's a listener needs to become very familiar with this terminology: majority, minority districts.

Speaker 4 So, what the Democrats have been doing now for many decades is they've been pushing this concept through lawfare of remapping every state around majority-minority districts, meaning that they have to consequently gerrymander districts to include

Speaker 4 populations that have, there are large populations in your state of minority communities.

Speaker 3 This would be Hispanic.

Speaker 2 This is the classic Voting Rights Act.

Speaker 4 This is the Voting Rights Act argument that's being discussed. We won't probably get into the details of it now, but we will probably start to tear this apart over the next year.

Speaker 4 But essentially, the big ones in America, obviously, are the Hispanic communities, black communities, and Native American communities in certain areas.

Speaker 4 Now, Native Americans haven't made up too many, so you haven't seen too many of that. But here in Arizona, you have an argument for one.
You see Oklahoma a lot, yeah. You see the state level.

Speaker 4 That's right. That's right.
State level, it happens a lot more frequently. But the black community, argument, Hispanic community.

Speaker 4 Now, as Democrats are starting to lose Hispanics, they become much less interested in Hispanic communities.

Speaker 4 And this is where it's becoming, well, a lot of Hispanics are actually saying, like, yeah, well, you don't need to do this. We don't need to just incumbent.

Speaker 3 They use this to cheat to essentially just

Speaker 4 gerrymander more Democrat voters that just happen to be from those minority communities.

Speaker 3 So where is that process at now? Because Texas enacts a new map that was basically going to wipe out all the gains they're going to get in California. But then a judge blocks them.

Speaker 3 Right. And so that is now, maybe Blake, I don't know either one of you can answer this.
What is the next step in that process? Because this just broke this week.

Speaker 4 So can we throw in the Florida piece real quick? So while this is all going on, Florida stepped in and they're like, no worries, guys. We're going to actually add another five Republican seats.

Speaker 4 So they're in the process of this.

Speaker 2 This gets really risky.

Speaker 2 Like if if you're adding to, once you, the thing about gerrymandering that a lot of people don't get is if you stretch it too hard, you're basically making it so, let's say, for example, let's say in Texas, you made it so every single district exactly matched the state's vote in the last presidential election, just hypothetically.

Speaker 2 Well, okay, that means, yeah, you won. We won Texas pretty handily, but there are elections where you only win Texas by five points or six.

Speaker 2 And you can imagine the situation where you would just lose Texas. Like, it's plausible if you you get in a really bad wipeout, you could lose Texas.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like a 2008 Obama.

Speaker 2 Yeah, 2008 Obama, and then like you do really bad in the House or something.

Speaker 2 And suddenly you'd get to that point where what happens is you win more seats until suddenly you start losing them, and then you can lose a lot. Yeah.
So you always have to lose.

Speaker 4 You should lose more seats, too. Well, because

Speaker 4 they're taking, and for the viewers at home, the listeners at home, is that you're taking districts that are 10 to 15 points on average plus for Trump or plus Republican.

Speaker 4 You look at it two different ways. How many points did Trump win by, the last presidential, or whoever's the last presidential candidate?

Speaker 4 And then how many more Republican voters do you have than Democrat voters?

Speaker 4 The real thing that's in the air is in a lot of these states, Texas included, is you have a lot more independence now than you ever did before.

Speaker 4 And actually, I own a phone call back to a North Carolinian. North Carolina is a good example of this.

Speaker 4 Historically Republican state, tons of independent voters.

Speaker 4 So, if you start messing with the districts too much, like Blake's saying, you might end up in a situation where you have a new community of a lot younger people who aren't registering Republican, they're more independent, that are harder to target, and then they're harder to turn out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and Florida is a good example, actually.

Speaker 2 Florida right now feels very red to us. It's moved red over time.
Plus one million. 2012, it voted Democrat in a presidential election.

Speaker 2 The first time Ron DeSantis ran, he beat Andrew Gillum by 30,000,

Speaker 4 30,000.

Speaker 2 Extremely narrow. Think about how much history ended up changing on those 30,000 or whatever votes.

Speaker 4 Holy shit.

Speaker 4 This is why ballot chasing matters.

Speaker 2 That's why ballot chasing matters for sure.

Speaker 4 Because you win by a little bit, you can swing a state for decades.

Speaker 3 What did he win on his second election? It was like almost 2 million votes as well.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 He won a massive landslide.

Speaker 3 Yeah, huge landslide.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And so you were asking what's next in this Texas case.
So yeah, so this panel said Texas is illegal, racial, gerrymandering, whatever. Now it's a sort of special one.

Speaker 2 Usually when you have these court cases in the federal level, it would go district, circuit, supreme. With these specific election law related cases, they have an accelerated process.

Speaker 2 So the appeal is directly to the Supreme Court. I've talked to some people familiar with the Supreme Court who've been clerks and such.

Speaker 2 They think the Supreme Court would probably side with us, but it's a matter of speed because your filing deadlines in Texas, for example, are coming up here in just a couple weeks.

Speaker 2 So you would need the Supreme Court to weigh in very quickly, or they might just be stuck with their old house map for matters of practicality, which that's a lot of what this is about.

Speaker 2 This Texas house map was because they specifically wanted it for this midterm cycle. And if it only kicks in in 2028, well, then you're only two years away from a census anyway.

Speaker 3 Yeah, throw up this image, by the way. This is a 291.
This is the the state's considering congressional redistricting. You can look on my computer here if you want, Tyler.
But so we've got California.

Speaker 3 They passed Prop 50. How many, do you approximately how many seats are they going to get?

Speaker 4 Right now, the estimation is five.

Speaker 3 So five.

Speaker 4 They're going to get five.

Speaker 3 How many would Texas get if we get this in time for the midterms?

Speaker 2 The plan was five, five. I believe.

Speaker 3 And Florida, five.

Speaker 3 So we would be, if we get Texas

Speaker 3 corrected, we're going to be net five versus California.

Speaker 4 Texas and Florida together would be plus ten.

Speaker 4 Indiana is plus two.

Speaker 3 Ohio as well, right? It's not on this map.

Speaker 4 So Ohio is probably not

Speaker 4 going to change.

Speaker 3 But I've heard talk that they can get two more seats.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there's an argument for it that they can.

Speaker 4 Going back to Blake's point, the question is, should they?

Speaker 3 Especially with Vivek running even or maybe slightly behind as he's in the middle of the middle.

Speaker 4 Because they're not

Speaker 4 in a safe of a spot. Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 3 What's the story with Missouri? They already passed new maps?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I don't have the total update. I'll touch base with our Missouri people.
We can do a follow-up this next week on Missouri and how that's going.

Speaker 2 And then I saw that at a Maryland House map there. I know that that's a Democrat state, of course.
I think they usually have one Republican seat, so it would probably be an attempt to zero that one.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's one.

Speaker 3 So then there's Nebraska and Kansas. So Kansas could redraw their maps.
Nebraska could get the winner-take-all

Speaker 3 kind of energy, and maybe which we have no faith in.

Speaker 3 Well, we're still one shot.

Speaker 2 As is, there's still

Speaker 2 three Republicans right now, right? I don't think we'd get new seats. It would just be securing

Speaker 4 about Don Bacon.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they would jerryman Red Bacon.

Speaker 4 It's basically assumed

Speaker 4 that, well, that well, it's not a red seat, so it's a plus like three or four Dem seat that Don Bacon just has won. Because he's a moderate.
But Don Bacon's retiring.

Speaker 4 And so the fear is that they're going to lose. If they don't redistrict,

Speaker 4 they're going to lose that seat.

Speaker 3 So zero in on Indiana now. Indiana, there is a push to, because they had a chance to redistrict, they failed.
One minute left.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so right now, the state senate, I mean, they still can do it, but there's essentially holdouts of about, it depends on the day, but we have about five or six state senators that are holding out.

Speaker 4 The White House came out really strong. The president came out really strong, like, hey, we're going to find people to challenge these people.

Speaker 4 And there's good conservatives in Indiana across the state.

Speaker 4 I mean, we're talking in each of these districts, you're going to, we need the audience to start to get to know these people because we need to replace them.

Speaker 4 So we're talking, we're not talking districts where Trump won by five or six. We're talking districts that Trump won by 30 or 40 points.
Jeez.

Speaker 4 And so the president feels very strongly that we can find the right people. Turning point action will help them.
We'll help the president and identify some of these people and get the word out.

Speaker 3 All right. So we need to know how to help and what to do next.

Speaker 3 Well, Indiana could still fix this.

Speaker 4 They could still get the redistricting done, avoid all of that conflict, and just get it over with.

Speaker 3 So if you are an Indiana legislator that stood in the way of the redistricting fight, there's still time to save your political future. This does not have to go this way,

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 we got to save the Republic. It's too important.

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Speaker 3 Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com. Questions for Turning Point Action COO Tyler Boyer.
We've got a first one.

Speaker 2 We do, we do. We have Ellie, and she says to Tyler,

Speaker 2 My question for you is a pretty common one. How would you recommend a Gen Z who's not in high school or college get involved with TPUSA or TP Action?

Speaker 2 And she adds, Unfortunately, I can't travel right now, and I live in a very liberal blue state where people don't want to talk about Charlie. So I think that is a question we get a lot.

Speaker 2 Blue state, not actively in college, can't travel. What can I do to help out?

Speaker 4 There's always two answers. One is turning point action.
So you go to tpaction.com/slash get involved. You can sign up right there.
We walk you through the individual steps that you can do.

Speaker 4 First, starting with downloading the Turning Point Action app so that we can start to engage you. Obviously, if you can't travel, you can do a lot remotely from there.

Speaker 4 We're starting to work on putting bodies in more states,

Speaker 4 more full-time staff, and hiring full-time staff,

Speaker 4 even in what we call our secondary and tertiary states, so that we can help manage coalitions. So, if you go to coalitions.com, we own coalitions.com.
That's coalitions.com, coalitions.com.

Speaker 4 You can sign up and be part of an activist organization that is kind of like our chapter model for adults.

Speaker 4 So, that's moms coalition, farmers and ranchers, our black Americans coalition, our healthy Americans coalition. So, if you're Maha, our Healthy Americans Coalition is great.

Speaker 4 If you're more senior, our Classic Americans, so we're bringing together

Speaker 4 our more senior activists together as well.

Speaker 3 Do we ever get them all together?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so we do events and the coalition of coalitions.

Speaker 4 So our coalitions, that's part of what they do, is they spend all the entire election cycle getting together, building relationships.

Speaker 4 So then once we're ready to go, they deploy and go out and help us chase ballots and keep the target precincts.

Speaker 3 Question from Sonny Tyler. She says, several weeks ago, Steve Bannon was talking about Georgia and how it could pick up five seats.
Is that true?

Speaker 4 So this is part of the problem with majority, minority districts. So again, Georgia's at the epicenter of that problem, which is that you have

Speaker 4 the law fair that's been used in the electoral

Speaker 4 process to give majority, minority, in this case in Georgia, black districts. So keep this in mind that

Speaker 4 with the law fair, so if the Trump administration is able to undo that, then the answer to that question is yes. You could actually gain back.

Speaker 2 Well, I will add some caution because right now, Georgia is nine Republicans, five Democrats, 14 total seats.

Speaker 2 So if you were to gerrymander every single Democrat out, you'd be, like I said, you'd basically be looking at the state average.

Speaker 4 Well, the idea, Blake.

Speaker 2 If you lost Georgia in 2020.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the idea would...

Speaker 2 So that'd be where you'd be very close to that risk point of they flip all 14 seats.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 4 So even if you redistricted, you know, you got rid of majority, minority districts, which you could make the opposite argument that the Democrats are gerrymandering some of these districts, that you shouldn't have five Democrat seats there.

Speaker 4 It should be more like three or four.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you could get it to, I think you could get it to four. You could get

Speaker 3 one or two would be great.

Speaker 4 Arizona is a similar situation where we have like a pretty conservative state for the Republican side. If we get 11 congressional seats here

Speaker 4 this next election cycle, you can make the argument that Arizona is a 9-2 seat, but it's the safer, more realistic

Speaker 4 is 8-3. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Kristen says, Hi guys, I'm an Indiana resident. I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to help with the redistricting push.

Speaker 4 Yeah, absolutely. We actually have links that are going out.
We had a link that was up for turning point action.

Speaker 4 It's tpaction.com/slash,

Speaker 3 I believe.

Speaker 4 Hang on here. I'll pull the link in just one second.

Speaker 3 All right, well, while you get that, James says, you guys are forgetting Spanberger has already said she will redistrict Virginia to go to 10 blue seats and one red seat. Do we know what that's about?

Speaker 2 So that is a proposal. I think they've even claimed they can do it.
Now, I believe if they don't 100% rig their courts, which they could,

Speaker 2 it is difficult to redistrict in Virginia because I think they went to a non-partisan system by constitutional amendment, and they'd have to vote

Speaker 2 like two times in a row and hold a referendum. They have to do a lot if they were going to do it by this next election, but they're going to try.

Speaker 3 They are very inventive about these things i do have a a non-redistricting question that i want to get to um while you pull up those links tyler uh this is from kelly it's a it's a fair question because i know there's confusion about it says hi guys listening to the show today about the reunion between musk and trump and wondering why tposa is not doing the same with tim pool uh that is an interesting question i understand because tim has said that he's not coming to amphest we actually We're in the process of making sure that we could do it from a production standpoint.

Speaker 3 I was literally, we were about to give him like like the green light. We want to do this on the day that he posted a video saying he wasn't coming.

Speaker 3 So we're trying to work with him to get that fixed because we had every intention of wanting to do that and moving forward.

Speaker 3 You know, he's got a very busy schedule. I think he was hoping for the answer sooner than we were able to give it to him, but we certainly want him to be there.

Speaker 3 We've had a three-year run with him at Amfest. It's been very successful.
So we want to do it. And we're working on seeing if it was not a calculated snub.
It was not a calculated snub. Well said.

Speaker 3 It was not intended to be any type of snub what happened was as soon as charlie was assassinated i'm sure everybody can understand this tickets sold out at amfest and everybody in the conservative movement said i want to speak at amfest and so we we got overbooked even from a speaker standpoint very very rapidly and so in order to do tim's show which happens at a very specific time every day on the on a friday we would have had to sort of we just had to kind of figure out how we were going to do it and actually we had a good plan i think tim would be down with the plan so hopefully we can get it done.

Speaker 3 And we're going to be able to do that. And we all support it.

Speaker 4 I had texted you. I was like, we got to get Tim Pool there.
And then

Speaker 3 like that morning. And I said, I'm working on it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, obviously, we've had a lot going on.
And I want to say this too, is we've had a lot going on with everybody.

Speaker 4 We have more people that we're actually telling no to for America Fest because literally there's going to be like 50,000 people there, plus everybody wants to speak.

Speaker 3 Not that many.

Speaker 4 We're going to probably have

Speaker 4 I'll do the Charlie Kirk thing. We're probably going to have 100,000 100,000 people.

Speaker 3 You're going to freak out our events, too, if you say that.

Speaker 4 No, but there's a million people

Speaker 4 in and around,

Speaker 3 maybe. Yeah, okay.
Here's another one. Indiana redistricting.
Trump threatened those Republicans in Indiana against redistricting that if they don't change their vote, they will get primarily.

Speaker 3 Governor Mike Braun is doing an excellent job. He has the Dems in Indianapolis to contend with, but he's staying the course.
That's from Carol. Good for you, Carol.

Speaker 4 Oh, census.

Speaker 2 William,

Speaker 2 Bill says, any updates on running a new census?

Speaker 3 I was literally thinking about that.

Speaker 2 Well, so the difficulty with a new census is you can't just snap your fingers and do a census. It's actually like a, I think it costs $20 billion to do the census.
You have to hire a bunch of people.

Speaker 2 So unfortunately, you would need Congress to actually vote to do it. So it's one of many things.

Speaker 2 I guess you could do it if we, for example, if we abolished the filibuster and rammed it through, then maybe.

Speaker 2 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.