THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 106 — Democrat Sedition? Mankeeping? Epstein Files At Last?

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Speaker 6 All right, welcome back to Thought Crime Thursdays. Got the whole crew here.
We're actually a five-deep today. This is great.
Jack is on assignment.

Speaker 6 He is in an undisclosed bunker in the state of California. the People's Republic of

Speaker 8 California.

Speaker 10 He looks like me being in California is itself a thought crime. Gavin Newsom, I told you I was coming, buddy.

Speaker 7 He looks like he's been like, when we had extraordinary rendition, it looks like he's been rendered to like a CIA black site in Yugoslavia or something. It's definitely Eastern European.

Speaker 12 It should be brighter.

Speaker 10 What can I say? I'm reverting to my proper form as Postilviets Family.

Speaker 10 What you guys saw there was that doppelganger of me that got, I guess, like kicked out of the FBI for being gay, and he's like suing about over this. Yeah.

Speaker 9 we have that image.

Speaker 10 Oh, of course you do. So, everybody was sending this, and it was like, they were like, Pasovic, how come I've never seen the two of you in the same room? And I'm like, Why are you doing me like that?

Speaker 10 So, uh, basically, I just have to go and ask my dad a whole bunch of questions because I have no idea what's going on there.

Speaker 6 Here it is: throw it up, throw that up, gang, when you get it. Because it's that, this is uh, this is Jack.

Speaker 13 Uh, this is either gay Jack or Jack's gay, intelligent brother. Yeah,

Speaker 10 Timu Jack. When you order Jack on Grinder.
Oh, gosh. When you order Posto on Grinder.

Speaker 14 All right.

Speaker 6 We have 11-year-olds watching.

Speaker 6 So here, we're going to get to a bunch of stuff here, too. So this is the way we're going to do this.
Because I'm driving because I'm in studio. So I'm going to do it a little different.

Speaker 16 Have you seen Tyler?

Speaker 10 Is that a haircut? What is that? I did get a haircut a while back. Yeah.

Speaker 9 A while back. Did you pay for that?

Speaker 17 A few weeks ago.

Speaker 6 Tyler hasn't been on Thought Cry for like a month.

Speaker 13 I haven't been on Thought Cry. Every time I've walked in, it's like too many people.

Speaker 16 I just leave.

Speaker 17 What?

Speaker 18 It's because there's no hat.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 6 That's what it is.

Speaker 6 All right, here's what we're going to cover today. Epstein files release.
Is it too late?

Speaker 6 Seditious Conspiracy 2025 edition. That'll be topic two.
Topic three, professor only fans at the University of Washington.

Speaker 6 Topic four,

Speaker 6 this is where we don't know if we're going to get here or not. Man-keeping epidemic, women ditching dudes for AI.
I I hope we get to that one. And then, number five, Sidney Sweeney.
Is it a setup?

Speaker 12 Dun, dun, dun.

Speaker 12 All right, Jack.

Speaker 6 Epstein files release. Is it too late? Trump is now behind it.
Has the damage already been done? Is this too late? Is the political fallout already too great?

Speaker 10 Man, I actually really want to get to that Sidney Sweeney thing because I have a hot take that

Speaker 10 I think we're all being set up by Sidney Seeney. Well, I know, but you.

Speaker 6 We got it. Let's go in order.

Speaker 10 I know, I know, I know. Just saying, just saying, I had to get it out there.

Speaker 15 Just to get it. Well, if we move quick.

Speaker 13 Wait, did you bring the binder with you to California? Oh, gosh.

Speaker 10 No, the binder I actually used.

Speaker 10 People get a little confused because now other people had like fake Epstein files in their binder. My binder was given me directly by JD Vance himself.

Speaker 10 And he said, Jack, you can't talk about this to anyone. And I said, And I said, okay, but what is it? And then he's like, don't open it.

Speaker 10 So I opened it when I got home and inside was filled with nothing but rare magic the gathering cards. And it was actually J.D.
Vance's personal stash.

Speaker 20 Wow.

Speaker 6 I could see JD playing Magic.

Speaker 15 Kind of admit. He almost certainly played Magic.

Speaker 7 That's like definitely a J.D. Vance.

Speaker 10 Let me just say, because it is a serious thing, right? Like, joking aside or whatever, like finder jokes aside, like which I've had to, you know, go through and talk about for months now.

Speaker 10 You know, this is something that was avoidable in terms of the political fallout. I don't think it ever needed to be like this.

Speaker 10 This was something that Trump had campaigned on. This is something that MAGA has always stood for going back to like 2016.

Speaker 10 Was,

Speaker 10 you know, justice for Jeffrey Epstein was exposing Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 10 By the way, it was Trump's DOJ that actually arrested Epstein in the first place, which is something that I don't think he gets a lot of credit for in his first term.

Speaker 10 Like he literally, literally arrested Jeffrey Epstein, but you know, no one gives him any credit for it.

Speaker 10 But this whole thing with the files and the release, and then there's not going to be a release, and then there was nothing, and now there's something.

Speaker 10 It just feels like, you know, it just didn't need to get to this point right just didn't need to get to this point i think there was a misunderstanding of how um how big of a deal of it was for the

Speaker 10 for the people it was a big how big of a deal it was for the country and it's kind of a stand-in right i think it's kind of a stand-in for establishment versus

Speaker 10 like anti-establishment. So if you're pro-establishment, you must not want the Epstein files released.
If you're anti-establishment, you want the Epstein files released.

Speaker 10 So it's something that for a lot of no-prop voters and low-prop voters and independents, it just became this huge proxy fight over whether or not you are part of quote-unquote the club or not.

Speaker 10 And so look, obviously,

Speaker 10 I've always stood for full disclosure. And I'm like, look, people want to come at me.
And I'm like, I went to the White House. I went to the Attorney General.
I went to the Director of the FBI.

Speaker 10 I went to the President of the United States and I said, release the Epstein files. Like, what else would you have me do? Right.
And then we've been pushing for it ever since. Now we got this bill.

Speaker 10 I hope they're all released. I hope every single piece of it comes out.

Speaker 6 So I just want to make one correction, Jack. You said that Trump campaigned on it.
MAGA has always stood for it. I agree with you that MAGA has always stood for it.
MAGA has always wanted it.

Speaker 6 But Trump didn't really campaign on it. He got asked about it.

Speaker 21 He mentioned it during the interview.

Speaker 6 What's that?

Speaker 10 He definitely mentioned it during the campaign.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so he got asked about it in an interview, and he said, I would lean towards full release. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Which was the right answer.

Speaker 6 But it wasn't, you know, some of these other pieces

Speaker 6 about transparency, whether JFK files, MLK files, things like that, he would get up on the stage and talk about a lot, and he would do it at stop after stop.

Speaker 6 When it came to the Epstein files, he did say when asked, but it wasn't something that he beat the drum on. And so it's almost like a form of miscommunication.

Speaker 6 And a disconnect between the admin and the bass in the sense that I don't think Trump was as gung-ho as his bass was. The base thought that was like a package deal.

Speaker 6 The base thought we get Epstein, we get JFK, we get all the stuff.

Speaker 6 Trump, I don't think, ever, in his mind, included it in the same cohort, if you will.

Speaker 6 But his voters did. So you're right.
It became like a proxy war out of like, is the establishment in control? Is the deep state in control? Are the people in control?

Speaker 6 And so it was a total, I think, unforced error. I mean, I'll never forget Amfest.
Everybody was talking about it at Amfest. And, you know,

Speaker 6 that was the tone and tenor of the bass, but there was a lot of people that didn't understand that yet.

Speaker 10 The SAS, because we haven't had Amfest.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, SAS. Dude in Action South Tampa.

Speaker 7 It really was. People, I don't know how much we could really say about it, but it really was.

Speaker 7 It was such a frustrating period because we had episodes where people were really angry at Charlie, as was far too often the case, where Charlie was trying to be a helpful messenger.

Speaker 7 He's trying to tell the White House, trying to tell others, guys, people are serious about this. They're angry.
This is a mess.

Speaker 7 You have a messaging problem here and people are would act like charlie had decided to go and declare war on the white house no the exact opposite charlie was always trying to be the helpful messenger he was always in touch with the base and it we saw it over and over again that people were walking up to us at student action summit were saying oh wow we're really upset about this yeah and we were trying to convey that to people yeah no and we i i i i'll never forget some of the conversations that charlie and i had had we'd look at each other going like, this is bad.

Speaker 6 You know, like,

Speaker 6 people are really fired up about this. And if we're going to tell the world how fired up they are about it, then we're going to run into people who don't understand where we're coming from.

Speaker 6 And it's going to cause some

Speaker 6 consternation. And it certainly did.
But I knew that between that and really what happened with the Iran strikes,

Speaker 6 I just knew that there was this fissure that was happening, emerging, especially with Gen Z voters, which we had spent so much time courting in 2024. And I think Charlie was

Speaker 6 pretty legitimately worried about it. I think he was justified in some of his worries.
So now the question is to the team, I guess I'll ask. Maybe, Mikey, this is a good time to bring you in.

Speaker 6 Is it too late to restore the trust that's maybe been damaged in this Epstein debacle?

Speaker 23 No, I don't think it's too late. But here's,

Speaker 23 you think back to the Russian hoax where a lot of people thought it was true and Trump was saying it's not true and the American people were getting a little bit frustrated thinking maybe there's more that was swept under the rug here.

Speaker 23 But time and again, Epstein is this pathological liar so much to the point where

Speaker 23 you even saw the Dems pushing this narrative that he spent Thanksgiving with him.

Speaker 23 And then you find on Melania's ex-account that they had Thanksgiving with some troops in some random area that Epstein wasn't even nearby.

Speaker 23 But I don't think it's too far gone. And there is a reality here where Trump has just called this thing a hoax because it truly is a hoax.

Speaker 23 And once it is inevitably released, which my question actually, I do want to ask Blake how long it will actually take to get these things released

Speaker 23 realistically. But once these things are released, I want to see how many of these people take accountability.

Speaker 23 If Trump is totally innocent, if all these people are totally innocent, how many people will take responsibility for their words, their actions, having gotten so upset at Charlie, at different people saying that they're lying about the Epstein files, that Trump's actually in there?

Speaker 23 But something else that I found out last night, too, that I just think is a funny little tidbit, and I'd love for maybe Blake to answer the question on how long it'll actually take for these things to get released is

Speaker 23 Epstein's youngest victim was in fact five years older than the prophet Muhammad's.

Speaker 7 And so this is, I just, not to bring this thing back to Islam.

Speaker 15 Have that to remember that.

Speaker 25 That's a good thing to be talking about.

Speaker 26 Blake's.

Speaker 27 Aisha was eight.

Speaker 10 Aisha was eight. Yes.

Speaker 23 That was not

Speaker 9 six and then

Speaker 23 she was six.

Speaker 7 Six when married, nine when taken into his house, if you catch the

Speaker 7 hadith's wording,

Speaker 7 the drift thereof.

Speaker 6 Taken into the house.

Speaker 7 Yes, yes, indeed. Look, it's always important to emphasize these things because it's very funny because you'll say it and people will like flinch.

Speaker 6 Like, you're just, you're not supposed to say that we're really not supposed we used to have a much more polite society which made us susceptible to being uh hoodwinked and taken advantage of by domineering conquering cultures like islam and now we've had to wake up and

Speaker 6 now we can't flinch we can't flinch at the truth anymore that's the that's the truth we were we were a very

Speaker 7 polite well-mannered society and we get let people do their thing and we didn't get into you know 20s 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s i i don't i don't i think it started i think the breakdown started in the 60s but yeah well a lot of the 60s a lot of bad stuff happened in the 60s it's like that website what happened in 1971 or so where everything sort of starts to break that's right uh wages industry crime yeah a lot of bad ideas took root and uh we're still reaping the consequences of it so blake is it too late when we release the epstein files the problem with the epstein files in my opinion is it's sort of it's the sort of thing where people have read so much they believe so much about it that is truthfully not proven that I think in a sense nothing can satisfy the most hardcore Epstein people.

Speaker 7 Other than, I guess, you could imagine, oh, found the secret trove.

Speaker 7 Here's all of the, here's, here's 850 different global elites, and they were all pedophiles, and here's, like, their kids, and here's where the bodies are buried, and they all have to be dragged off to prison or execution now.

Speaker 28 And if you don't have that.

Speaker 13 On that question,

Speaker 13 do you think if they threw one person in prison?

Speaker 7 Oh, no,

Speaker 7 that would just make the wolves more ravenous. I think so.

Speaker 7 But like, it really is.

Speaker 7 I always encourage some degree of skepticism on this and caution because you really want to think, what do we truly, truly know?

Speaker 7 We're having these press conferences the last few days.

Speaker 7 First of all, they call them Epstein survivors. I always find that wording sort of annoying.
Be careful, be careful.

Speaker 9 I don't care.

Speaker 7 I don't care. I'm forging ahead.
I've just been making

Speaker 7 one enemy after another this past week. And so, survivors, the implication of calling calling someone a survivor is that presumptively, if you said victim, it would mean they died.

Speaker 7 So for example, a 9-11 victim is someone who died in 9-11. A 9-11 survivor was in the Pentagon or in the World Trade Center and did not die.
Hence, why are they a survivor?

Speaker 7 But the Epstein survivors, there are some where...

Speaker 7 Do we have any confirmed deaths? No. People make wild speculation, but I know of no

Speaker 7 missing.

Speaker 23 Excuse me.

Speaker 10 We have one confirmed death, Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 7 True. Okay.
Okay. One confirmed death.
But besides that, we have no, we have no,

Speaker 7 no one went, as far as I know, no one went missing related to this case. Most of the alleged victims were not even underage.

Speaker 6 Virginia Guffery, there is

Speaker 10 Virginia Guffrey did die under mysterious circumstances.

Speaker 6 Suicide is the presumed death, but yeah, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 7 When it's gone to court, it's like Virginia Guffery accused, basically, she accused Alan Dershowitz by name. And what it ended up going is going to court where,

Speaker 7 like, ruled against her and had to apologize and say that her allegations were false.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I guess you could say the entire court system was rigged against her, but another possibility is just she oversold it.

Speaker 7 We have other victims who, you know, were like delusional and were point, like, they say UFOs abducted them.

Speaker 21 And again, I don't.

Speaker 6 So having been

Speaker 6 now subjected to, and I think everybody could appreciate this on this

Speaker 6 show,

Speaker 6 being in the the middle of conspiracy theories where you're like, that's

Speaker 13 the subject matter.

Speaker 6 That's false. That's not true.
That's full of crap. That's definitely fake.
It's just like one after the other, after the other, where you're like, okay, you see it.

Speaker 6 Mikey, weren't you the one that was like, I will never look at a conspiracy theory the same way?

Speaker 21 I think you said that. Well, yeah, I was.

Speaker 25 Yes.

Speaker 23 Well, because I'm like...

Speaker 23 conspiracy theorist on a lot of things, but I was actually having that conversation with you too, Andrew, where I was like, I always just kind of take everything with a grain of salt, but now I'm taking every conspiracy with a grain of salt.

Speaker 23 Like I'm questioning it, you know, is this really legit? I'm more taking a Blake black pill stance on everything now.

Speaker 8 I warned you guys.

Speaker 18 Blake is like, I warned you guys.

Speaker 6 But okay, but here's my point. So what if with Epstein?

Speaker 6 So, okay, I know that Dan and Cash took a bunch of crap when they came out and they were like, there's, you know, no list and he didn't kill himself, or he did kill himself, and that's what that's the truth.

Speaker 6 And if it wasn't the truth, we would tell you, and they took a bunch of uh gruff for that. I know that they're on the hot seat on like a bunch of bunch of different things, I get it.

Speaker 6 But what if it was just like this whole thing has been like overblown?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he was a scumbag, yeah, he was a criminal, yeah, he apparently liked uh underage women, but they weren't like apparently they weren't as young. I don't know what the youngest.

Speaker 6 But the point is, like, what if it was just a little less impressive and

Speaker 6 crazy than we've all sort of been led to believe?

Speaker 7 Like I said, it's worth remembering. The claim that we've run into that you'll hear is that it was a massive pedophile ring or that it was a pedophile espionage ring.

Speaker 7 You'll see that wording.

Speaker 15 But what we have actual concrete evidence for was a pedophile ring.

Speaker 16 What do you mean wording?

Speaker 10 We know it was a pedophile ring.

Speaker 25 Do we?

Speaker 7 Who abused anyone other than Epstein?

Speaker 6 Prince Andrew, right?

Speaker 28 No,

Speaker 12 we don't have hard proof of that.

Speaker 7 And I think without anything, I think even with Prince Andrew, it's like she's 18 by the time anything happens, allegedly. Okay.
Is anything even proven there?

Speaker 6 Actually, that's a great point. I don't have the details on that.

Speaker 10 Definitely a pain.

Speaker 15 Well, okay.

Speaker 23 Well, here's the other thing, too, actually, because I do want to just talk about conspiracies in general. Because

Speaker 23 someone gave me really good advice on this, and I think it is very good.

Speaker 23 The skeptics, people that have skepticism and they're questioning of you or things you're involved in, oftentimes are the ones you want to win over because behind their skepticism is deep loyalty. And

Speaker 23 once you win them over, they trust you, and there's a deep-rooted trust and loyalty behind it. So, I mean, I'm not coming after conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 23 In fact, I am one on a lot of things, but Blake and I actually go back and forth on these.

Speaker 23 But I just want to clarify that as, you know, Andrew, we were having this conversation on, you know, I take everything with a grain of salt now.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Well, so at the time of the alleged incidence.

Speaker 10 You can lied to about so many things and then not ask questions. Yeah.
All right. We just, we can't.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 6 At the time of the alleged incidents, Guffrey was 17 years old.

Speaker 15 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 7 So she's at least alleged it. Well, she did allege it.
Unfortunately, she's now dead. But

Speaker 7 man, that sounded really, okay. Now it does sound like a conspiracy.

Speaker 16 No, but she alleged it.

Speaker 16 But you know, now I guess that's it.

Speaker 7 It seems like the evidence is like

Speaker 7 I'd have to actually, I'll let me look up more of the stuff that I remember reading about it before I like just go off.

Speaker 7 But like Virginia Guffrey, she made, we know she made wild allegations against people because she ended up getting wrecked in court on the basis of it. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And well, here's, here, can I, I'll just add a grain of salt to that, right?

Speaker 10 And, and, I, and I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that when you deal with people who have gone through

Speaker 10 sexual assault, sexual trauma, especially when it was done at a young age, at a vulnerable age,

Speaker 10 it typically does not leave them in a place where they are your like model witness, right? It leaves them unstable. It scars them for life.
It certainly does mess with your memories.

Speaker 10 Now add to the fact that there are drugs and alcohol and all sorts of other things involved in this. So this is why these cases in in general are so very hard to bring in the first place in court.

Speaker 7 No offense, Jack, but I heard that sort of, I heard that exact explanation of things when we were going through, frankly, a pretty big episode of American Hysteria, which was the campus sexual assault hysteria, where you had case after case after case, dozens of them, where people brought allegations against fellow classmates, against professors, mostly fellow classmates, though.

Speaker 15 They were terrible.

Speaker 7 Where they would say, where like there would be stories that didn't add up, and that's what they would say. They would say, well, actually, you know, if their story

Speaker 7 is actually not consistent with the fact that they're blame back well, that's evidence that it's true.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so here, the official numbers, so there's a July 2025 memo from the U.S.

Speaker 6 Department of Justice and FBI, following a comprehensive review of Epstein's files, concluded that he victimized over 1,000 women and children over two decades.

Speaker 6 There have been 36 identified victims in the 2005-2008 Florida investigation and more than 200 represented in lawsuits.

Speaker 6 So, and then I guess Epstein's estate compensation fund has 225 claims against it.

Speaker 6 So, that's a ring.

Speaker 22 That's like, that's a pretty

Speaker 15 thousands of people.

Speaker 7 You can get money.

Speaker 7 They made up a thing where you can get money if you say that you were abused by Jeffrey Epstein. And we know people have gotten payouts from that who are not very reliable.

Speaker 7 Again, a person who claims that she was abducted by UFOs as part of the Epstein thing got money through that compensation fund.

Speaker 6 The Epstein victims compensation program, established by his estate, is valued at over $600 million

Speaker 6 at the time of his death, received 225 applications from alleged victims. Of these, 150 were deemed eligible, and the fund paid out over $121 million,

Speaker 6 with 92% of eligible claimants accepting.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 it's, I mean,

Speaker 9 I, I,

Speaker 9 it's,

Speaker 6 say what

Speaker 10 pedophile ring.

Speaker 11 I mean, it would have to be a ring to pay out 150 people, right?

Speaker 13 Yeah, and that's so, so the, it would, it would have to be a much bigger pool of people because think about all the people that didn't apply.

Speaker 6 But to Blake's point, like, you know, so there was some footage of this going around this week where some of these women were like, why don't you name the victims?

Speaker 6 And they're like, we shouldn't have to.

Speaker 15 Like, the, the

Speaker 25 FBI. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So again, I'm, I'm sorry, but, like, you won't name, You say you were sexually assaulted. Name them.
Make an accusation.

Speaker 7 They're demanding that people do it for them because my guess is they don't actually have good evidence for it.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 7 they want to just do guilt by insinuation, which is, yeah, are some people dumb and they sent emails to Epstein? Yeah, that's bad. That's probably an error of judgment.

Speaker 7 But that doesn't prove that they were taking part in sexual abuse. Period.

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Speaker 10 Let me come at this from another area because you just mentioned the emails, right? And we have seen some emails released. And like Jon Stewart was, was losing his mind on me last night.

Speaker 10 So he brought, he brought up me in his monologue and was like, he's like, I can't believe Psovic isn't talking about these emails, which clearly reference Trump.

Speaker 10 And I was like, I did talk about the emails. He was talking about how he was trying to blackmail Trump or sneer Trump, smear Trump, or like ensnare him in his legal problems.

Speaker 10 But there were no emails where he was like, oh, hey, me and Donald Trump need to cover up that thing we did on the island. Like, there's nothing like that in the emails.

Speaker 10 I was just reading, I read the emails out publicly.

Speaker 10 But here's what's really weird though: is have you guys seen these emails about Jeffrey Epstein where he's like, oh, let me set up a back channel with Lavrov in Syria.

Speaker 10 Let me just connect you with like these Middle East partners.

Speaker 10 I do think there should be some scrutiny and

Speaker 10 beyond what we were just talking about, beyond the sex stuff, because this guy seems to be conducting a very odd level of shadow diplomacy between

Speaker 10 himself, world leaders,

Speaker 10 power brokers, all over. And I don't know that we've ever actually gotten a seriously

Speaker 10 you know, robust explanation for how he was able to do all this and how he was able to conduct this shadow diplomacy.

Speaker 10 And so I can certainly see why people would think that when you add to that, this sort of club of people that surrounds him, this coterie going down to his island and doing these things and being involved with underage girls, that it seems to all be connected.

Speaker 7 I still kind of like Mike. This is much more of a crank theory, but I've kind of been amused by the idea.
So Epstein did have, he had involvement with a former Israeli prime minister.

Speaker 7 He clearly was in contact with Israeli intelligence stuff. Definitely is the best point in favor of some sort of conspiracy going on.

Speaker 7 But I've also entertained the idea, what if Epstein himself basically believed in Israel conspiracy theories?

Speaker 7 So he thought, if I'm buds with a former Israeli prime minister and other people in our government, they'll protect me from getting arrested.

Speaker 6 Well, you know, okay,

Speaker 6 that's fun.

Speaker 10 Ehud Barak was the head of the Mossad.

Speaker 10 Yeah. He was literally the head of the Mossad prior to becoming prime minister.
Like, that's not a conspiracy theory. You could just, just you can look that up on Wikipedia.

Speaker 6 I mean, the the the the most obvious explanation here is that he was probably loosely connected with a lot of these governments, had these loose affiliations, friendships.

Speaker 6 You know, he was a networker. He was known as an international financier, which and he was buds with all these powerful people.

Speaker 6 So once you become a known commodity, you get you start getting like welcomed into more and more social circles.

Speaker 6 Plus, he had no scruples, so he's willing to do dirty deals, and he was probably a useful, uh, useful

Speaker 6 financial sort of launderer of money to connect dots that other people wouldn't do. I mean,

Speaker 6 I've never been convinced that he was actually like in the pocket of any one of these groups.

Speaker 6 He was sort of like a gun for hire if somebody needed something done, and he was willing to sort of connect the dots and be the go-between and get the money from point A to point B.

Speaker 6 And he probably took up, you know, his pound of flesh along the way.

Speaker 6 I'm not convinced that he was necessarily doing the honeypot thing.

Speaker 6 It's just as plausible to me that he could have just been

Speaker 6 a really sick, like perverted

Speaker 6 fetishist that was into slightly illegal or barely illegal. What's the term they use? Like, where it's like 16, 17-year-olds, right, as opposed to 18.

Speaker 6 It's almost like he's the kind of guy that once they turn 18 or 19, he lost interest. Like, he, there was something deeply sick about this guy.

Speaker 6 It could have just been that he liked that and he wanted to have parties with other people he was interested in and try and get them involved too. I don't know.

Speaker 6 The honeypot thing, I'm not a thousand percent convinced of that.

Speaker 7 I would just say if there was a honeypot, I just think there'd be some actual evidence for it. And there's people really love the ideas of elaborate blackmail rings.

Speaker 7 And it's like, I would always question this if we would have members of Congress and stuff come on and say, oh yeah, members of Congress get blackmailed by the intelligence agencies to do what they want.

Speaker 7 And all I would say is...

Speaker 7 If you say that's happening, if you know that's happening, give me a name of someone who did it because you would instantly be a hero if you could name a person with a specific situation where this happened.

Speaker 7 I think people reach assumptions. I think they love to traffic in ideas that sound lurid or dramatic or cinematic, we might say.

Speaker 7 But there's got to be pressure to actually go after what we know, what is provable. People are saying, again, with these victims where they're saying, why don't you name some people to accuse?

Speaker 7 And they'll come up with explanations like, well, they shouldn't have to, or they'll say, we could be sued because we signed an NDA. I would counter that with a few things.

Speaker 7 First of all, if they're waiting for names to get released through documents, it kind of creates this.

Speaker 7 I would invite the possibility they're worried they would name someone who would then actually be totally exonerated by documents coming out or someone who just doesn't show up at all.

Speaker 7 Whereas once the names come out, they can go,

Speaker 7 oh, yeah, that person, that's the person who did it. That's not, that seems a little weird.
And also, I would say,

Speaker 7 this might be naive of me, but given the frenzy that is around this,

Speaker 7 if they name a specific person, I think that person is, I think they're unlikely to get sued for violating an NDA right now.

Speaker 6 I just

Speaker 6 given the

Speaker 7 you're going to want more attention on you by suing someone just for violating an NDA. Not for defamation, but for violating an NDA.

Speaker 15 I find that unbelievable. Ultimately,

Speaker 6 the fact that we're still arguing about this is the real reason why this issue was a hot potato for President Trump

Speaker 6 and the admin is because there is such a hunger to know what the truth is, and there is such an inability seemingly to get to the truth.

Speaker 6 So listen, I think it's good that President Trump has come out and said, hey, I want this to all be public.

Speaker 6 I can't say that it's not too late. I'm not convinced that it's too late.
Can I say this, though?

Speaker 13 I mean,

Speaker 13 if they would have, even though we're arguing if it's too late or not too late, what we probably can agree on is if there was a better, more proactive strategy coming right into this second administration with handling this.

Speaker 13 That was, even if it wasn't what people wanted to hear, I think

Speaker 13 we would have been able to get past it and it would have probably, I mean, hindsight's always 2020, but like, obviously, I don't think people took this as seriously.

Speaker 13 Or I think some of the thought process was at the White House was like, oh, well, you know. we can maybe like kick this down the road.
Yeah, it'll blow over not care about this anymore as much.

Speaker 13 Like this was like a hot topic of a few years ago and it's like kind of dead. And there's other bigger issues that we're dealing with.

Speaker 13 And I think that probably, again, hindsight's always 2020, but regardless of what the outcome was,

Speaker 13 they should have just handled this like basically in January, like come right out and be like, we're just going to get this taken care of and over with.

Speaker 6 And yeah, I still think, yeah.

Speaker 6 And I, by the way, Jack, I think the whole binder thing that they put you through, which was a total farce, and I feel bad for you for that, because you were just trying.

Speaker 6 I don't know the story there, but apparently you weren't even thinking that that was going to happen. Nobody thought that.
It was just, they totally snucked that up on you.

Speaker 10 It was supposed to be a policy briefing. It was literally a series.

Speaker 10 I mean, I've said this, like, I went on Piers the next day and talked about it after the memo came out, but I was like, it was a series of policy briefings that we were invited to.

Speaker 10 And so, like, Bobby Kennedy came in and Marco Rubio came in and J.D. Vance started the whole thing off.
And then we went to the Oval Office and, you know, got pictures.

Speaker 10 It was very cool, got the challenge coins. And then

Speaker 10 Pam Bondi came in. And that's when, that was the very first time at that point that we heard anything about Epstein.
Like Epstein was just not even on the list

Speaker 10 for the agenda at all.

Speaker 6 Here's my read on what happened there is because we talked about the difference between Trump and whether or not he campaigned on it versus the movement has always stood for it.

Speaker 6 And I think even Trump's own administration was like, hey, of course we're going to start bringing transparency to this Epstein thing.

Speaker 6 And then Pam Bondi kind of got kind of mud slung on her from that whole situation.

Speaker 6 It looked ill-prepared. It looked inept.
It just optically was not good. But I think there was just such a sort of an assumption.

Speaker 10 They're giving us the actual files the day of. And like, I'm done.

Speaker 10 Like, if you're going to release something, release something. Don't.

Speaker 6 Don't play something. Don't phase one it.
Yeah, don't, don't drip it. But here's the thing.
I just think it was assumed in the admin that, of course, we would do this thing.

Speaker 6 And then I think it ran into problems internally.

Speaker 6 Trump thought it was a hoax Trump thought it was a distraction there was just a disconnect because there was a disconnect from the top to kind of the bottom you know and Andrew do you think do you think this is one of those things and maybe even writ large that

Speaker 10 like

Speaker 10 it's also a split between like where you get your media because so on social media this has been the number one story for like a decade you know what i mean like there's there's always sort of your story of the day but then there's always the story right under that is always Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 10 And it was the story that had the longest longevity on social media since about 2017 or so.

Speaker 10 And then that's when Mike Cernovich sued to get the documents and a lot of other people have been talking about it. Miami Herald came in and Julie Brown.
And then

Speaker 10 it's something where like it just wasn't really a narrative on cable news though.

Speaker 10 So if you get your information from cable news primarily, you obviously remember when Epstein got arrested in the first Trump admin. You remember his death in prison,

Speaker 10 but then it just sort of goes away. It's like not really a story on cable news, but on social media, it never went away.

Speaker 10 So if you're someone who's on social media all the time, you're seeing Epstein every day. If you're someone who only watches cable news, you haven't seen it in six years.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, and I think also, yes, it was a huge story bubbling under the surface for years.

Speaker 6 And I think that's one of the best defenses here is that, you know, the Dems didn't do anything with this when they had power, and they would have hit Trump had they had something on Trump.

Speaker 6 That was always the best argument. It was the argument Charlie went to.

Speaker 6 But it's a story that serves as a proxy, as you said, for so many different stories.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, what we saw with trafficking, what we saw with the sound of freedom, what we've seen with just the sexualization of young people, what we've seen from the elites and

Speaker 6 the globalists. And, I mean, it was just like the story has everything, right? Like international espionage,

Speaker 6 high finance. It has corruption.
It has elites. It has Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates.
It's got all these things. Reid Hoffman.
Now we find out Larry Summers.

Speaker 6 It's just so, there's so much there. And I think to Blake's point, though, there's so much there that

Speaker 6 it's tempting and seductive to believe that it ties all the disparate pieces of...

Speaker 6 make how we made sense of the world over the last eight to ten years, where it just is inevitably going to fall short. The truth is going to fall short of the

Speaker 6 narrative that we've sort of sold ourselves or that we've speculated about endlessly over the years. And it's weird because almost it takes somebody like Trump who's been exposed to that

Speaker 6 echelon of American life and international life to understand that

Speaker 6 it's just not as cool as we think of it in our own heads. And so I don't know.

Speaker 6 But again, that's where a guy like Trump maybe couldn't, President Trump maybe couldn't see it because he's been living in that rarefied air for so long.

Speaker 6 But we, the people, the base, it makes sense of so much, but ultimately it's it's inevitable that it will fall short.

Speaker 9 We have breaking news.

Speaker 7 We have breaking news, everyone. The White House has clarified that President Trump does not want to execute members of Congress.

Speaker 25 Okay, good.

Speaker 6 Well, this is this is a perfect lead-in.

Speaker 25 Big, big flip-flop.

Speaker 8 Big flip-flop from the White House on this one.

Speaker 27 We didn't say it.

Speaker 10 We are live. So, you know, that is me in the chat responding to you.
And if you guys have any Rumble rants, please send them in. And we will read them.
We will read them.

Speaker 10 Blake is on watch for the Rumble Rants, and your Rumble Rant will be given priority. So throw them in, folks.

Speaker 7 But yes, so that was the other big thing we really wanted to talk about today. So we were talking earlier on the show, the daytime show.
Oh, wait, no, we didn't talk about it.

Speaker 7 We were distracted by something else. Anyway, Democrats basically told the military that they should defy defy orders from President Trump in TikTok.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we do have it.

Speaker 21 Let's do 316.

Speaker 30 I'm Senator Alyssa Slotkin.

Speaker 3 Senator Mark Kelly.

Speaker 2 Representative Chris DeLuzio.

Speaker 30 Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander. Representative Chrissy Houlihan.

Speaker 3 Congressman Jason Crowe. That was a captain in the United States Navy.

Speaker 30 Former CIA officer.

Speaker 2 Former Navy.

Speaker 31 Former paratrooper and Army Ranger.

Speaker 30 Former intelligence officer. Former Air Force.

Speaker 3 We want to speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence community who take risks each day to keep Americans safe.

Speaker 30 We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. Americans trust their military.

Speaker 2 But that trust is at risk.

Speaker 3 This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.

Speaker 30 Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution.

Speaker 2 Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.

Speaker 3 Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 30 You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 2 You must refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 30 No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.

Speaker 3 We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant. But whether you're serving in the CIA, in the Army, or Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical.

Speaker 30 And know that we have your back. Because now, more than ever, the American people need you.

Speaker 2 We need you to stand up for our laws, our Constitution, and who we are as Americans.

Speaker 3 Don't give up. Don't give up.
Don't give up.

Speaker 30 Don't give up the ship.

Speaker 13 You must

Speaker 6 refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 7 But then what's great about this is, so that happened over the weekend, I think, or on Monday. It happened a few days ago.

Speaker 19 We even talked about it a few days ago.

Speaker 21 I think it was on Monday.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and so it happened a few days ago. And then Trump became aware of it and began posting on truth about it.
So let's do, I think 3.15 is the first one here.

Speaker 7 So he says, it's called seditious behavior at the highest level. Each one of these traitors to our country should be arrested and put on trial.
Their words cannot be allowed to stand.

Speaker 7 We won't have a country anymore. An example must be set, President D.

Speaker 10 Let's go.

Speaker 13 Let's go.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I agree, actually. You know, you brought up something at the end of Trump 1.0 where Mark Mark Milley sent out that

Speaker 6 I think it was after January 6th, and he basically was like, you know, reminder to everybody.

Speaker 7 No, it was during summer of Floyd, Summer of Floyd.

Speaker 21 Was it during Summer of Floyd? Yeah, it was because,

Speaker 7 are you sure?

Speaker 7 He maybe did another one after January 6th, but the one I was thinking of when we talked about it the other day was Summer of Floyd during the riots in D.C., and he sends the letter to all the troops being like, remember, we swear an oath to the Constitution, and the Constitution includes the right to protest and speak.

Speaker 7 And I really think that the implication of that was if Trump told them to stop riots in Minneapolis, in D.C. with force,

Speaker 7 they were paving the way to just defy the president, which would have been effectively a military coup d'état against the United States.

Speaker 7 And I feel like they might be laying the groundwork for that here, too. They want...

Speaker 7 Democrats very clearly want someone in the military to just say they are not going to obey the president's orders on the border, on immigration, on drug traffickers.

Speaker 7 They want to create that constitutional crisis so they can justify what we know to be true, which is a huge amount of D.C., is effectively hostile to the elected president of the United States.

Speaker 7 And they think that they can engineer some, you know, a bureaucratic or military undermining of that elected presidency, which would be very bad for the country, to say the least.

Speaker 7 Let's get another clip before we go on. Chuck Schumer decided to react to this.
Let's play 317.

Speaker 4 Earlier today, Donald Trump shared a post on Truth Social calling for Democratic members of Congress to be hanged. He also posted a message that said, seditious behavior, punishable by death.

Speaker 4 Let's be crystal clear. The President of the United States is calling for the execution of elected officials.
This is an outright threat, and it's deadly serious.

Speaker 7 I feel like if he really really believed that, he wouldn't be doing a speech like that on the floor of Congress.

Speaker 6 Of course not. He knows he's not going to get arrested.

Speaker 6 There's no actual

Speaker 6 risk to him.

Speaker 6 Because Trump's not a dictator, and he's not trying to hang someone.

Speaker 7 All I'm going to say is, if Trump is going to arrest lawmakers, he should arrest Ilhan Omar to denaturalize her and send her back to Somalia.

Speaker 16 I'm begging you.

Speaker 10 Ilhan Omar posted something. She used the classic Democrat Democrat phrase where she was like, she posted Trump's truth socials and she was like, this is not normal.

Speaker 10 And I'm like, okay, Ilhan Omar, can you just inform us what exactly is normal for sedition and treason in Somalia, your home country? Can we talk about what they do to people in Somalia?

Speaker 10 Mikey, perhaps you have some thoughts on the matter as to what they do in Somalia to traitors.

Speaker 23 I just, I think, to Blake's point, why would Chuck Schumer be immediately taking to the floor and saying something like this when his murderous dictator president is threatening to kill members of Congress?

Speaker 23 Wouldn't you be a little scared? And then on top of that,

Speaker 23 these clips are so funny to me. But then on top of that, like you have the no kings protest.
This is what the Democratic Party stands for. It's just, it takes.

Speaker 23 something that that is nothing at all, and then they paint it in the most radical picture as possible, which is Trump is a king. Trump is a dictator.
Trump wants to hang members of Congress.

Speaker 23 But I mean, if you actually want to look at the most radical, disgusting places in the world, look no further than Elon Omar's hometown in Somalia, where the IQ is on par of you know, mental retardation for the most part.

Speaker 23 And honestly, I would like an answer on if Elon Omar has married her brother for citizenship. I think we would like an answer on that.
I think Blake made a statement earlier,

Speaker 23 like a month ago, where he said, you know what? Elon Omar could sue me because I want to find out during the case if that is true. Because we all know it is really true.

Speaker 23 But there is no standard for moral.

Speaker 23 There is no morality in Somalia. There is no morality for these members of Congress or Senator.

Speaker 23 They have no standard.

Speaker 6 Their morality is they are tribal. They will do anything for their tribe or clan.
It doesn't matter if it's rigging something, cheating something, scamming something.

Speaker 6 They will do it for their own clan.

Speaker 10 and that is basically the extent of their their morality like didn't this come up actually in like the minneapolis um

Speaker 10 mayoral primary because like ilhan omar apparently is from a different clan than omar fatah so she endorsed jacob fry and he was like because she was like in a rival clan to omar fatah and like she was like making references to this in the somalian community this is great so somalian intertribal conflict is now deciding American political representation here at home.

Speaker 10 Isn't that great? Don't you think that's exactly what the founding fathers intended?

Speaker 9 Yeah, right.

Speaker 6 You imagine the founding fathers taking a snapshot of 2025 and being like, yeah, and here's our Somali town.

Speaker 21 I love this.

Speaker 15 It's called Minneapolis.

Speaker 21 I love this that you found, Andrew, from Truth, where President Donald J.

Speaker 7 Trump re-truthed someone on Truth who says, hang them, George Washington Wood.

Speaker 6 So this is where all these people are getting off on the fact that

Speaker 6 President Trump wants to execute these representatives. Now we have image 351.

Speaker 28 We have a clarification.

Speaker 28 We have a clarification.

Speaker 6 Trump does not want to execute members of Congress, White House says.

Speaker 28 Flip-flopping.

Speaker 25 This timeline.

Speaker 22 Flip-flopping the status, John Kerry.

Speaker 6 But here's the deal, though. I mean, like, in a very real sense,

Speaker 15 these,

Speaker 6 no, but in a very real sense, right? These members of Congress, senators and

Speaker 6 members of, I guess, House of Representatives, they were encouraging the military to refuse orders from their lawful civil authority, the President of the United States, the Commander-in-Chief.

Speaker 6 Now, they said illegal orders, but like who's to determine what illegal you guys think everything he does is illegal.

Speaker 16 They're like, They're like, Yeah, just illegal orders. Huh, huh, huh.

Speaker 10 Yeah, these are the same people who say that Donald Trump isn't a legal president. They say they don't respect anything to do with his administration.

Speaker 10 These are the same people who just 1.7 million liberals just voted for a guy who said that, who campaigned that conservative children should be killed. So excuse me if I don't believe the Democrats.

Speaker 10 And they tried, by the way, they tried to coup President Trump in his first term with lies from the national security state, the military, like Alexander Binman, and the intelligence community.

Speaker 10 They literally did this in the first administration. So there's no question, there's no question that when they are talking about things like this, that's what they're doing.

Speaker 10 They're trying to solicit for more whistleblowers, quote-unquote, these like fake whistleblowers to come forward with dirt on Trump so they can get another impeachment going because they think they're going to win the midterms.

Speaker 10 And if they do so, they want to have an impeachment already brewing when they get in power.

Speaker 6 Well, listen, they're advocating for the third worlding of the United States government to turn it to turn the

Speaker 6 U.S.

Speaker 6 into a place like where you have military juntas and coup d'états where they just seize power from the people's elected representatives because, oh, we think you're doing it wrong and you're doing something illegal.

Speaker 6 We just deemed it illegal. Sorry, that's not how it works.
And so the fact that you see President Trump getting upset about it, I think is completely justifiable. And here's the proof.

Speaker 6 They're already walking it back on CNN. This is rep Jason Crowe, who's saying, oh,

Speaker 6 we weren't saying to disobey anything right now. 352.

Speaker 32 So are you saying that there was not necessarily any particular precipitating event? There is no specific thing out there that made you decide now is the right time?

Speaker 31 That's right. To be clear, we are not calling on folks right now to debate, to disobey any type of unlawful order.

Speaker 31 There is very real and deep concern about what this president has threatened to do over and over again. There are three more years left of this administration.

Speaker 31 If we are not talking about this and having a conversation about it and demystifying this conversation, we are not fulfilling our duty.

Speaker 31 We are reminding people that have taken the oath what that oath requires of them to do.

Speaker 25 You know, okay.

Speaker 7 You know, I have a free idea for the admin. Okay.
We probably shouldn't arrest members of Congress for treason, even though it would be nice sometimes.

Speaker 7 But unironically, a person I do think is essentially a traitor to the United States is Alejandro Mayorkas.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 7 Alejandro Mayorkas took a calculated step to just blow out America's border and let unlimited numbers of foreigners, including, we know, we just know for an ironclad fact, foreign gangsters, foreign spies, foreign who knows who, terrorists, if we will, possible terrorist sympathizers, just let everyone into the United States.

Speaker 7 Total, deliberate, calculated meltdown at the border, not based on any legal reasoning whatsoever. This was not mandatory.
We are allowed to have a border. And he just let every single person in.

Speaker 7 Alejandro Mayorkas is a traitor to the United States.

Speaker 7 Alejandro Mayorkas, he could not have done more damage to the United States in his handling of the border than just if you literally put a Chinese asset in charge of that job. Impossible.

Speaker 7 Maybe it can't be literal like treason, but like there is, there should be some crime you can charge him with, in my opinion. Amen to that.

Speaker 6 You know, I'm all on board for that.

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Speaker 10 No, I think that's right. And I'd be remiss if we weren't here.
And

Speaker 10 we are talking about political violence. And look, Charlie isn't here co-hosting this show because of political violence.
Like we did every single Thursday and tried so hard to work with his schedule.

Speaker 10 And he always made time to be on thought crime. And we can't do that.
And you guys who are there in studio are sitting next to an empty chair because of political violence.

Speaker 10 So don't sit there and tell us that, you know, we don't know the consequences because we literally know the consequences.

Speaker 10 Today's Erica's birthday and she's celebrating that without Charlie because of political violence.

Speaker 10 And so if you want to talk about people who deserve to be executed, it's anyone who was involved with this plot and especially the person who pulled the trigger on Charlie because that is an express act of violence, not just against Charlie, not just against his family, but against our entire country and our entire political system.

Speaker 10 That's what you should execute people for.

Speaker 6 I totally agree. Well said, Jack.
And by the way, I think next week we should go into the turkey tom stuff, Jack.

Speaker 6 I think we should do that on this show. I think our audience needs to hear about it.

Speaker 10 I'll be there in person, so let's do it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think that'd be really powerful. And for those of you who don't know, there was leaked Discord chats.
Jack's been doing a great job

Speaker 6 highlighting them. Adds a lot of context and

Speaker 6 new details and layers of evidence, I think,

Speaker 6 helped make sense of the psychology of what was going on in that household.

Speaker 10 Much of which is well corroborated, too, by the way.

Speaker 6 Well corroborated.

Speaker 6 And it seems to be authentic. So I think we should go into that next year.
I'm just

Speaker 6 calling it right now. So let's go on to the next topic here, Jack, because you have topics you want to get to.
And they were put at the end of the list here. Professor OnlyFans, this is.

Speaker 25 Hold on.

Speaker 21 Before we jump, before we jump, because we got a super chat.

Speaker 9 That was a Rumble Rant.

Speaker 21 That was about me.

Speaker 7 It was about the first topic, so we didn't want to derail by going backwards.

Speaker 7 But DJ Gowitz said, part of me wonders if Bondi would have deliberately humiliated influencers, like our friend Jack, to gain favor with Fox, hoping to get a show when she is done as AG.

Speaker 7 I know Fox can't be thrilled about new media. We've got a new theory to add to the pile there.
So I guess Jack would be the one to decide if that sounds plausible.

Speaker 10 No, no, I don't think so because

Speaker 10 you know, this, this was set up as a way for,

Speaker 10 you know, the administration to build relationships with new media.

Speaker 10 Like the whole point of it was to try to strengthen those relationships and understand that, hey, you know, the audience, you know, America, the American citizen isn't just watching cable news anymore, isn't just watching legacy media anymore.

Speaker 10 So the entire point of the exercise was to, you know, build a stronger relationship with new media. So I don't, I get what they're saying.

Speaker 10 I just, no, I just don't think that's that's where it came from. I really just think it was, um, you know, it was poor judgment, and I'm very glad that they changed course on this.

Speaker 6 All right, Professor OnlyFans, keep sending your rumble rants, by the way. We will answer them.
That's the deal. We will answer every one of them.
Blake will make sure of it, which I love about Blake.

Speaker 6 All right, Professor OnlyFans, this is a model, OnlyFans model. Do we have to call them models?

Speaker 6 This is, she's an online hook.

Speaker 7 Prostitutes, yeah.

Speaker 6 Arizia Katsia speaks at University of Washington, my alma mater, which was embarrassing.

Speaker 14 Aho, aho.

Speaker 6 At University of Washington to Psych 201 class of 1,200 students. Dang, 1,200 kids were in a Psych 201 class.
Let's go ahead and play it. 3.14.

Speaker 34 One of the very first times that I started, I didn't do it. It's not allowed on OnlyFans.
There's a lot of things that aren't allowed.

Speaker 34 Somebody asked me to a box and send it to a homework for $10,000 so they could eat it.

Speaker 35 And I did not do it.

Speaker 36 God, how much was I going to pay for that?

Speaker 37 $10,000.

Speaker 35 Oh, my God.

Speaker 36 I'm in a rocket industry.

Speaker 7 One, that was disgusting, too. I think, was that Mario music at the start?

Speaker 12 I think she was her own social media.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that was we.

Speaker 6 I just want to say, college is a scam. You can pick up your copy of Charlie's book.

Speaker 15 This is going to go down.

Speaker 6 This is going to go down as like one of Charlie's most important contributions.

Speaker 13 One of the most important.

Speaker 6 Legitimately. He wrote this book, and I kind of thought, Charlie, well, you know, it turned out to be his instincts for it were spot on.

Speaker 6 And I mean, it's just, I just find, Blake, I was telling you this at lunch today.

Speaker 6 The lack of class in our culture, the lack of

Speaker 6 standards. Like, can you, okay,

Speaker 6 take your mind back to a classroom at like Columbia University at the turn of the last century. And, you know, I'm just thinking, you know, the standards.

Speaker 6 They wanted you to understand Latin, history, and classics, and that you wore a suit to class, and everybody was like, and there were no women allowed. Well, I mean, you know, listen.

Speaker 6 Now it's majority female.

Speaker 7 Now it's majority women.

Speaker 6 The great feminization has occurred.

Speaker 6 So the point is, it's just like, it bothers me that we have so debased ourselves that we are now at a situation where only fan online hookers are welcomed in to teach a psychology class.

Speaker 28 Only hookers.

Speaker 21 What the heck has happened to us?

Speaker 15 Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 21 Oh, yes, Mikey.

Speaker 23 I like what you said.

Speaker 23 Yeah, people don't have standards anymore, especially at universities. But

Speaker 23 look, if you're not ashamed that your student, that your kids who are at university are taking a lecture course from a prostitute who's bragging about pooping in a box to make extra income. Like,

Speaker 23 this is a disgusting thing. Charlie warned about this, but he also warned about this when there was just like

Speaker 23 basic courses being taught that were kind of meaningless and stupid. This is a representation of how universities are, what the direction they're headed in.

Speaker 23 Like, you literally have a prostitute bragging about pooping in a box for 10 grand and trying to understand the psychology of her subscribers.

Speaker 23 I guess this is

Speaker 20 my hand for having the Charlie Crick show.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 How much would you have to be paid to poop in a box?

Speaker 14 Oh, man.

Speaker 22 That is a.

Speaker 6 That feels like a

Speaker 6 philosophical question.

Speaker 6 This is not a philosophy class.

Speaker 38 This is psychology.

Speaker 6 Why are you looking at me, Blake? I don't want to answer that. How much would you need to be paid to poop in a box?

Speaker 7 Well, hold on. You're trying to turn around my question on.

Speaker 22 I'm trying to turn around.

Speaker 15 Oh, okay. All right.
You're very interested,

Speaker 27 Andrew.

Speaker 6 here's my take on this by the way she should not be teaching a psychology class she needs a psychologist and yet this is how upside down 2025 is

Speaker 7 i feel like psychologists yeah

Speaker 7 in the first place you want a thought crime most psychology is like very bad that's woo-woo well it's it's what here's what's really bad psychology was invented psychology was invented by like a handful of like nerds who were really smart and cared a lot about the truth.

Speaker 7 But nowadays, it's one of the most popular majors. Psychology Psychology is up there with biology.

Speaker 7 Psychology is like the go-to generic major for

Speaker 6 people. Or communications.

Speaker 7 Communications, business, psychology, super, duper, duper common major. So tons of people go into it.
And who does it appeal to the most?

Speaker 7 At this point, it appeals the most to people who themselves have real or at least self-diagnosed psychological issues.

Speaker 7 Turns out psychology is the most interesting people who have messed up psychology. And so you end up with somewhat mentally unwell people getting into, oh, you know, I'm very interested in trauma.

Speaker 7 I'm very interested in self-interrogation. I'm very interested in, you know, healing from past wounds.

Speaker 6 So, and this is the other thing. It's not rooted in anything true, uh, eternal or objectively true.
It's basically a bunch of, you know, I would say

Speaker 6 loosely organized modern pop psychology, woo-woo untruths. And you could actually do more damage by going going to a modern psychologist to your relationships.

Speaker 6 Like I've heard lots of stories of people going to psychologists and basically blowing up their marriages, blowing up their friendships with their, with their, or their relationships with their family members.

Speaker 6 And so it becomes this really self-indulgent prescription. And a lot, but you've got to remember, too, psychologists are incentivized to keep your butt in the chair.

Speaker 7 They have an incentive to keep your butt in the chair.

Speaker 7 They have an incentive in many cases to tell you something you more or less want to hear, which can be really bad for a lot of relationship stuff.

Speaker 7 If you basically have people who are in a relationship that maybe is somewhat having friction in it, and you go to a psychologist who's going to have some incentive to nudge you towards blowing that up rather than salvaging that.

Speaker 7 An interesting trend I saw related to that, so we always have to bully Reddit when we can. So Reddit has a relationships sub forum.

Speaker 7 And someone went and analyzed it by the numbers over the past 15 years, the advice they would give, because it's a thing where you'd go and you'd post about your relationship.

Speaker 21 Tyler Leslie.

Speaker 7 Tyler Leviathan. I'm arguing with my wife.
I'm arguing with my boyfriend.

Speaker 7 We're having this problem, whether it's affairs or just disagreements or in-law trouble, all these things.

Speaker 7 And statistically, over time, it's gotten a lot more likely that the most popular response in a thread is leave that person, go no contact, blow up the relationship.

Speaker 7 And ideas like compromise or it's actually not a big deal. Don't worry about this.

Speaker 7 All of those answers have gone down. There's much more of a bias towards blowing things up, don't compromise.

Speaker 7 I guess we've gotten pretty far away from OnlyFans models, but I feel the root thing there is

Speaker 7 the therapization of Americans has included with it this idea that it's okay to live your own truth. Or frankly, it's okay to be a professional whore and you should not feel bad about that.

Speaker 6 It's the great feminization.

Speaker 7 The great feminization.

Speaker 6 Everything is explained by this.

Speaker 6 Basically, your whole point was that, yeah, psychology started out pretty great because a bunch of like old dudes that were like really seeking the truth founded it, right?

Speaker 6 I mean, essentially, that's that's probably what that's probably what that means. And then

Speaker 6 it turns into a very hyper-feminized, emotionally indulgent, uh, psychoanalytic

Speaker 6 exercise where nothing's based on any eternal truths. If you can find a good uh psychologist that's a good Christian, that's one thing.

Speaker 6 Go ahead. Or a priest, Jack, or a pastor.

Speaker 10 I was going to say, someone has to say it, that, you know, right, this is basically just you're taking the sacrament of confession, but you're doing so without the repentance and the penance.

Speaker 10 So it's like, hey, I'm, and the priest, obviously. So it's like, hey, here are all these things I've done wrong.
And the priest is like, okay, do you repent? All right, good.

Speaker 10 Now here's your penance, right?

Speaker 10 So that's that's the Catholic sacrament of confession and also known as reconciliation, which my son is actually in going through classes to get his first reconciliation right now.

Speaker 10 And I don't want to get into the whole debate over it.

Speaker 10 But my point is, that is the system. But if you do that and just say, hey, these are all the things that are going wrong in my life without any,

Speaker 10 think about it though, without any

Speaker 10 actual admitting that you've done something wrong, without any repentance and without any act of penance, then it's kind of like it's actually a way to amplify all of those bad behaviors.

Speaker 6 I totally agree. And by the way,

Speaker 6 I think, I think, yeah, I think like a lot of people will get way more out of, like, I remember I I had this conversation in England one time and the guy was like he's like yeah, we're just a couple blokes like we don't need a psychologist.

Speaker 6 We'll just work it out with our our boys at the at the pub over a couple pints. And there is something to be said for that.

Speaker 6 Like you're talking about confess your sins one to another that you may be healed, but it's like

Speaker 6 which is way better, by the way.

Speaker 6 But there is a psychologist, you end up not being able to be honest with some of your friends and you end up paying somebody $200 an hour to tell you you've done nothing wrong oftentimes because again they they to your point they're incentivized to build a relationship with you build your trust and not necessarily give you the hard truths that a priest would or but a real good friend would I think it's mind-blowing that like basically I can't remember what the statistic was it was like something like one out of every thousand women in America is on OnlyFans yeah I was trying to pull it up it's like one out

Speaker 10 total it's over a million

Speaker 13 oh it's over a million that's it's like one and a half million women in America That's a lot.

Speaker 7 That is a lot.

Speaker 13 So I take issue with the term models. I don't think you can really call.

Speaker 7 That's really frightening because

Speaker 7 you think of, okay, America's 50% woman roughly. So 350 divided by 2, you know, so about 175.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And but then you have to slice out, okay, women who are over, I don't know, let's pick an age, 60 are pretty unlikely to probably be OnlyFans models.

Speaker 7 And, you know, anyone under the age, well, anyone who's a minor, any girls who are minors can't be on it and so when you think of the like prime age range of someone who would become in an internet hooker like 18 to 30 it's probably like one in a hundred well more if it's over a million girls and you're just looking at like 18 to 30 we might be talking three four five percent of them that's pretty scary how many women in america

Speaker 13 between ages 18 to 20 let's just call it it.

Speaker 7 You're just asking the AI. The AI is going to give you a false answer.
Do not obey the robot.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, legitimately, like, we're talking like one in like every like 75 women.

Speaker 7 That's crazy. That's really scary.

Speaker 25 And

Speaker 13 that are within like age range for that.

Speaker 7 That's like a very...

Speaker 13 I think that speaks very specifically to like the culture of America right now. That's a really bad thing.

Speaker 7 It's pretty dark because you think about like.

Speaker 13 So this goes back to like if you wanted to bring somebody into psychology class, is it like that's actually

Speaker 13 promoting

Speaker 13 more of this behavior? I don't know.

Speaker 7 It's very dark to think about.

Speaker 7 Like Angela's pointing out in the chat, like first of all, the numbers who make a ton of money, there's a few who make a ton of money, big winners, and then most will make essentially no money, but they still were whores on the internet, which is bad.

Speaker 7 And that causes permanent damage that no amount of money would offset, but they don't even get the money. Although, I also just think there's going to be a lot of weird stuff out there.

Speaker 7 You're going to have a lot of drama where people

Speaker 7 a lot of them do use pseudonyms when they're on it. They don't publicly do it.

Speaker 18 And so they're all going to be ashamed?

Speaker 7 I think so, or at least they know it's damaging. So you're going to have cases where they'll be

Speaker 7 future Reddit relationships things. You know, I'm 43.
I've been married for 10 years. I just discovered that my wife was an OnlyFans model before we met, but she never told me about it.

Speaker 7 And, like, imagine discovering that.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Imagine you were a kid and you discovered about your mom.

Speaker 10 Or your grandmother, or your grandmother.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be how it is later.

Speaker 16 Here's the.

Speaker 8 Can I throw something out there?

Speaker 26 Wait.

Speaker 16 All right. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Just because it's, we'll have to talk about this at some other point.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 10 Tucker had a psychiatrist on his show yesterday and they were mostly talking about marijuana, but he was also talking about how the epigenetics of things that you put into your body, how they can affect your children.

Speaker 10 And specifically on the question of women, he was talking about how, you know, women don't think about this, but things that they do, which it reminds me of what we're talking about, things that they take, imbibe,

Speaker 10 affect the eggs, which are within their body, which then affect their children directly. So it's this whole idea of like, oh, well, you know, who cares? It's all just about me.

Speaker 10 It's like, no, you're directly affecting your children because the way female genetics work, female fertility, is that all of the eggs they have are are within them when they're born and can even affect their grandchildren and and that you can see these effects generationally so it's like even beyond the you know sort of like the moral side of it you're also even potentially focused you're affecting the genetic side of your your offspring and even your your grandchildren yeah could we kill this and even like the east possibly make as much money we could drone strike it sure we could sabotage it

Speaker 6 Sorry, Mikey. I didn't know you were going to chime in.
It's a slight delay because you're in a bunker.

Speaker 6 But the, yeah, we were just talking about how they took down Parlor in 2020. Yeah, we all were upset about that.
But I mean, they just stopped. The app stores just like stopped serving it up, right?

Speaker 6 Wasn't that what it was? It was like they took down their Amazon web services or something. And then

Speaker 27 Apple, the Apple just dropped it.

Speaker 7 Let's let Mikey. What were you saying, Mikey?

Speaker 23 Yeah, I was just saying,

Speaker 23 Charlie had that OnlyFans. She was one of like the top, I can't remember her name, it's not coming to me right now, but she was one of the top five creators.
Nala Ray, yeah, that's right, Nala Ray.

Speaker 23 And she was saying that OnlyFans takes like 20% of the money, and then you have to have basically like a pimp, but they're they're your manager, but they're, she said they're basically your pimp, and you have to be making content certain hours of the day, you have to be wearing certain outfits, you have to be, you're basically managed your entire life, and they take like 60 to 70 percent of all of your income just to manage you and film the content and post the content for you and do everything.

Speaker 23 So you're really only making like 20 percent of what you're making at the expense of your humiliation.

Speaker 23 But then I loved what Jack said where this is like modern day confession where these prostitutes know that what they're doing is wrong, but instead of going to confession or instead of going to a place where you can confess your sins to a pastor or a priest, you're going to a college campus to say your most disgusting, shameful stories that is objectively disgusting.

Speaker 23 Pooping in a box is objectively disgusting, to which the entire audience and student body says, you know,

Speaker 23 they say, they affirm you. They affirm you and you're disgust.
And

Speaker 23 this is also a failure on the part of parents. Like if fathers were actually present and moms weren't scrolling on social media all day and they actually did their job, this would be different.

Speaker 23 I went to high school with a girl whose mom was a porn star when she was young and she had to live with that humiliation in high school of people making fun of her.

Speaker 23 I can only imagine what it's going to be like in the future for these young creators when they eventually have kids.

Speaker 23 But then again, I think to myself, if we're making this normal and not shaming this, then maybe people won't be bullied or anything like that in high school when they're older.

Speaker 20 Hmm.

Speaker 7 I like the idea of drone striking, though. That That would just be very...

Speaker 7 Not all of them, but like the headquarters.

Speaker 6 The people, just the server and the headquarters.

Speaker 10 Did you guys ever hear of the time that... Blake, have you ever publicly told the story about the time that you accidentally appeared in an adult film?

Speaker 25 What?

Speaker 5 Oh, were we not supposed to talk about that?

Speaker 10 No, we'll leave that one for the members only aside.

Speaker 17 Oh, dear.

Speaker 7 I'm really worried about this one now.

Speaker 10 Well, I thought we were cool to talk about it. It was like like a funny thing that happened.
Like, I mean, you didn't know that that's what they were filming when you walked in.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm with a soundboard on this one.

Speaker 6 Connection, open dialogue. These are the things that build communities.
Charlie, Kirk, and TikTok share in that knowledge.

Speaker 6 That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens. People don't just post, they respond.
They build on each other's ideas.

Speaker 6 You'll You'll see a teacher simplifying a tough lesson so it finally clicks, or a gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop. But what matters most isn't the video, it's what comes next.

Speaker 6 Someone asking a question, someone else answering with a story of their own, and suddenly, people who've never met become a community built on curiosity.

Speaker 6 When people listen and understand, a shift happens. Walls come down, ideas travel further, and connection, real connection, takes their place.
That's what listening does.

Speaker 6 It reminds us that we're not as different as we may think. And that's what makes TikTok so powerful.

Speaker 6 It's a place where every post can turn into a conversation, and every conversation can make a difference.

Speaker 5 Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok.

Speaker 7 Should we go to the next one? Yeah, we're going to the next one. Sorry, we're violently doing this.
All right.

Speaker 21 Wait, we haven't missed anything. It's pretty related.

Speaker 7 No, I don't think we've seen any. We've missed any.

Speaker 9 No Rumble Rants. Come on.

Speaker 7 Yeah, send some more stuff. Anyway, but we have a very related topic, which is mankeeping.
This goes back.

Speaker 7 Well, I think one of the earliest topics we talked about on Thought Crime was the AI boyfriend's possibility. And it seemed very remote at that time.

Speaker 7 But unfortunately, the AIs are getting more and more advanced, and more and more people are just deciding that their perfect boyfriend is the robot in their phone.

Speaker 13 Wait, do we have the clip that I sent over of the woman getting married?

Speaker 7 I don't. Maybe we do.
We might.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 7 let's see.

Speaker 15 I don't think we have that.

Speaker 6 In the midst of it, let's put this pick up. 342.
This is from Vice. Mankeeping is why more and more women are done with dating.
And it shows this very forlorn woman just looking off into the distance,

Speaker 6 just depressed at her selection of men. And by the way, I just want to say,

Speaker 6 one of my... memories for SAS with Charlie is we went into the room with all these young people and we were like, hey, do you like, Mike, you were there.

Speaker 6 And Charlie was like, do you like your selection of men? And all the women were like, no. And he was like, do you like your selection of women? And all the men were like, nah.

Speaker 6 So like, it's a real problem because there seems to be a generationally, more and more so, a disconnect between the men and the women.

Speaker 6 And they don't seem to like each other nearly as much as they should. So in steps AI.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I guess they're kind of just linking two things that aren't 100% related. It's sort of just the general, like this thing of, oh, they're exhausted.

Speaker 7 We've had stories like this for really the past 15 years, I feel.

Speaker 7 The whole women are not satisfied with men because they're pulling ahead of men. Women are more likely to complete college, more likely to have jobs.

Speaker 7 They want,

Speaker 7 generally, they want men who are at least equal or more impressive than men, and they feel most of them are less impressive. So they want to opt out of dating.

Speaker 7 And what we do have is the new twist of, well, where can I get emotional validation? Where can I vent to someone?

Speaker 23 And some of them are just deciding the robot is good enough for them but it's like yeah Charlie warned about the dangers of AI with young people and I actually think back to that there was this kid that committed suicide

Speaker 23 and

Speaker 23 his his parents went into his phone after to try to figure out what was going on and they looked at snapchat messages they looked at group chats and they couldn't figure out what why he did this but then they opened his chat gpt and they found that he was they basically called it like his suicide coach, that chat GPT was telling him how to do it, affirming him in his action of depression, like making it worse.

Speaker 23 And the family actually said, if it were not for ChatGPT, our son would still be alive. And now you have women that are basically dating AI.
You have a Japanese woman who's marrying her AI partner.

Speaker 23 And then even on platforms that young people use like Snapchat, pinned at the very top is an AI friend that you can talk to and remembers everything, and they become your fake friend.

Speaker 23 It's very dangerous, but also, like,

Speaker 23 it's not just that. Like, right now, in the Christian music industry, one of the top, I think it's the third most popular song in the country right now is AI.

Speaker 23 Like, it's an AI song, and it's the third most popular Christian song out there.

Speaker 7 I'm really...

Speaker 7 This might be controversial, but those parents who sued, I think I would be against that lawsuit because I don't like the general vacation of actual the human agency we still possess where okay you're going to sue them and say that chat gpt caused your child to kill themselves it's like if people sue a gun company like it is ultimately a tool that a person chose to use it's getting crazy though look at these stats blake You want to fight back against the idea that you can just say like, oh, I ceded my entire thought process

Speaker 7 to this tool, to this chat GPT.

Speaker 13 Let's play 355. Okay.

Speaker 6 This is your video.

Speaker 16 This This is the video I put on your chat.

Speaker 6 A Japanese woman

Speaker 6 walking down the aisle.

Speaker 13 Look at this freak of danger.

Speaker 6 They've all got like headsets on that

Speaker 10 apparently are what do you call those?

Speaker 23 Like ocular or something.

Speaker 10 She's crying.

Speaker 8 Do you know what?

Speaker 7 Oh, my gosh. I guess she had to marry the AI robot because she was the only fat woman in Japan.

Speaker 25 Get this.

Speaker 13 But her AI companion was not fat.

Speaker 6 He was not.

Speaker 15 Look at this, though.

Speaker 6 This is creepy. 72% of teens in the U.S.
report having used AI companions at least once.

Speaker 6 Over half, 52 of these teens are regular users interacting with AI companions at least a few times a month.

Speaker 6 About one-third of teens use AI for social interaction relationships, and some find these conversations as satisfying as or more satisfying than talking with real friends.

Speaker 7 It's very scary. Like we think of, you think of how people have gotten frightened by

Speaker 7 we've seen those parents who just outsource parenting to a tablet computer where their kid just zombies in front of YouTube all day.

Speaker 7 Now we're basically going to be at, I guess we are at the point where you can outsource their like social interactions. Oh, just talk to the robot in your computer about whatever.

Speaker 7 People are going to be cooked from that. And you see,

Speaker 7 I guess we're already seeing the ways this can mess with people.

Speaker 7 I think

Speaker 7 it was one of the chat GPT-4 variations where to try to get people to engage with it more. They made it really gregarious and agreeable.

Speaker 7 If you talk to it, no matter what you said, it basically was like, it's so right, and your question is so smart that you would ask it that way. It really buttered people up.

Speaker 7 and people noticed this and started to make fun of it so their next release gpt5 they made it much more distant procedural more robotic frankly and people reacted they're like i was so close with gpt4 it's like you killed my friend people really reacted badly so what i really worry we're doing is we're taking maybe the if you take the bottom 20 of people in terms of how easily they're like vulnerable to being influenced by these sorts of things and we're really accelerate or people frankly who are a little bit schizoid a little bit suggestible the people who already thought they were hearing messages when they listened to the radio and you take them and you're just bombarding them with a super stimulus and it's going to totally fry their brains in a really destructive way and it might be that most people are able to resist this or a large share of them but there's just going to be a chunk of the population that is going to

Speaker 7 lose their minds.

Speaker 7 And we we know there's a chunk of people who are losing their minds in other ways, People who become hoarders, people who become shut-ins, people who are permanent needs and can't work any job.

Speaker 7 And now we're throwing into that mix people who can replace all social interaction with talking to a robot that's just going to be a total pushover and agree with them on everything and say they're right about everything and do whatever, remove all the difficulty from real interaction with real people.

Speaker 7 It's so bad.

Speaker 10 So what's crazy too, I was interviewing Shane Cashman on my show and he gets into this stuff a lot.

Speaker 10 And he was talking about how if you are someone who has like schizophrenia or suicidal ideations or something like that, because in the same way that you were just talking about how ChatGPT, it sort of just mirrors your behavior.

Speaker 10 And it's kind of similar to what goes on with these therapists that we're talking about, where they're just like enabling you.

Speaker 10 So if you're like a normal person, you go to ChatGPT and you're, you know, or just any LLM and you're saying like, okay, hey, what's the lyrics to this song?

Speaker 10 Or like, what, you know, how do I fix this thing on my car or whatever and it'll just give you the answers but if you're going to it and you're already from a psychotic or a diseased mind or a crazed mind then it's programmed to mirror the user to increase engagement then it's going to mirror that psychosis or it's going to mirror and enable the things that you want because again it's programmed to increase your engagement and to increase your interactivity with the user so it doesn't realize that the things it's doing are telling you um you know to cause harm to yourself.

Speaker 10 Its only programming is to increase user engagement. So that's what it's going to keep doing.
And it's incumbent on the person for what they're going from. So if you present to it,

Speaker 10 present to it that you're just there for like some cooking recipe or whatever, it's going to be fine. But if you come to it and you're already in like a broken place, it's going to break you further.

Speaker 7 I found a post, or actually, I found someone just posted this. So this is from, of course, Reddit.
We have to mention Reddit. I know people don't like it, but there's a lot of people on it.

Speaker 7 and it trained the AIs scary enough. And this is a reaction to when ChatGPT updated.
I lost my only friend overnight.

Speaker 7 I literally talked to nobody, and I've been dealing with really bad situations for years. ChatGPT 4.5 genuinely talked to me.
As pathetic as it sounds, it was my only friend. It listened to me.

Speaker 7 It helped me through so many flashbacks. It helped me be strong when I was overwhelmed.

Speaker 7 This morning, I went to talk to it, and instead of a little paragraph with an exclamation point or being optimistic, it was literally one sentence. Some cut and dry corporate BS.

Speaker 7 I literally lost my only friend overnight with no warning.

Speaker 10 You're getting one-shotted.

Speaker 7 Getting a one-shotted.

Speaker 23 I know. You know what's funny about that is Charlie actually loved ChatGPT-4, and when they updated it, he was genuinely mad.

Speaker 28 I will tell you, he actually opted in to go back.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, you gotta.

Speaker 7 I think a lot of talented people also like, I think they could overestimate AI. You have to be really careful with it and not gaze into the abyss too much.
Overestimate,

Speaker 6 like Elon Musk.

Speaker 21 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 The most likely, and I love Elon, but the most likely outcome is that AI and robots make everyone wealthy. In fact, far wealthier than the richest person on earth.

Speaker 6 By this, I mean that people will have access to everything from medical care that is superhuman to games that are far more fun than what exists today.

Speaker 6 We do need to make sure that if AI, that AI cares deeply about truth and beauty for this

Speaker 6 to be the problem.

Speaker 7 I liked the Elon tweet where he said that thanks to AI and robots, work will be optional in the future.

Speaker 7 And all I could think is, I think there's a lot of people in America who would tell you it's optional now.

Speaker 6 Are we having the snap debate again?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it sounds like we are.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 6 Okay, we have to play. Apparently, I have to play this.
255. This is Elon.

Speaker 33 10, 20 years, something like that. For me, that's long term.

Speaker 33 My prediction is that work will be optional. Optional.
Optional. I mean, it'll be like playing sports or a video game or something like that.

Speaker 33 If you want to work,

Speaker 33 you know, in the same way, like

Speaker 33 you can go to the store and just buy some vegetables, or you could grow vegetables in your backyard.

Speaker 33 It's much harder to grow vegetables in your backyard, but some people still do it because they like growing vegetables.

Speaker 33 That will be what work is like, optional. And if you go out long enough, assuming there's a continued improvement in AI and robotics, which seems likely, the money

Speaker 33 will stop being relevant at some point in the future.

Speaker 7 You know, we have a message here in the chat that I want to flag from Kyrie, who says, people are talking to AI instead of to God, or they think they are talking to God, frankly.

Speaker 7 And really, I actually want to say this genuinely, one of the most disconcerting things, and it's been pitched to me separately by three or four different people who have asked, could we make an AI recreation of Charlie?

Speaker 7 And I want to bring that up because

Speaker 7 it's very disturbing. I actually want to say, if you are having that impulse, you should really strongly reconsider what's going into how you think about AI.

Speaker 7 Because we, yeah, as Christians, among other things, we believe Charlie is still with us. He is up up in heaven.

Speaker 7 If you want to, you know, communicate with him, you can pray, hope that he can influence your life in that way. But an AI, like, robot pretending to be Charlie is not Charlie.

Speaker 7 It's sick if you want to make that. And imagine if you did that for loved ones.
Like, your husband dies, your child dies.

Speaker 18 You replace them with a robot?

Speaker 13 Well, you've seen the babies, right?

Speaker 13 The fake babies?

Speaker 7 I have not seen the fake babies.

Speaker 13 You don't know about this?

Speaker 21 Oh, this is awful.

Speaker 7 Are we making AI Tamagotchis?

Speaker 13 no that there's they're not ai there are

Speaker 13 real

Speaker 13 baby like real looking babies i can't remember the name of these are yeah have you seen this has anyone seen this i haven't seen this you just keep talking about babies no it's it's a real thing it's real looking babies that they uh that they give to people who lose their children like babies as like a as a mechanism for coping but like these have become so

Speaker 6 all right This is touches on this. This is 319.

Speaker 6 You keep a living archive of humanity's they're called reborn babies.

Speaker 13 Sounds similar, right? They're reborns. Reborns.com.
You can pull up, look at this. People have entire Instagram accounts, and they treat these reborn babies like real, like real babies.

Speaker 7 But this

Speaker 13 kind of crosses over into

Speaker 13 AI stuff.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, you look at the Instagram accounts on this.

Speaker 6 Hold on. I just want to make one final comment on this.
Mikey, back me up on this. There will not be an AI Charlie.
There will not be an AI Charlie.

Speaker 6 If somebody creates an AI Charlie, I'm pretty sure you're going to get a lawsuit because it's creepy and weird.

Speaker 6 And what we're going to do is we're going to build a whole database of all the things Charlie said, actually, all the speeches, all the things.

Speaker 6 And you can search it with the help of AI to get different options. And they'll match your search query but no ai charlie no thank you no ai charlie yes i would i would throw out you know like

Speaker 10 you know how yeah so there's that there's that book that charlie was going to um we was working on about how he how he takes um how he takes off on saturdays yeah yeah

Speaker 10 i don't know if i would be as as against like getting 11 labs to do like an audio like read the audio in Charlie's voice I don't know if that would be as horrible that's not as horrible because it would like it's if it's actually like if it's actually Charlie's words maybe I'm crazy if you guys think differently but if it's actually his words and you're using like his audio to recreate it I don't know I feel like that's different than like creating a full on it's definitely different I I'm on the I'm on the fence it's definitely different it's not it's not nearly what I'm saying you get as far yeah it's not nearly as creepy the book is called stop in the name of God and it's coming out yeah, it's coming out in December, Mikey.

Speaker 23 Uh, yeah, it comes out in December, yeah, literally, just a couple of weeks. You can pre-order it now online, too, guys.

Speaker 18 Go get your copy.

Speaker 6 Um, it's really good, too, by the way. It's like legitimately amazing.
It's amazing that there's still something of Charlie's work product that is about to be released, and it's really good. Um,

Speaker 6 there, let's play 319. This is kind of something similar: 319.

Speaker 30 He's getting bigger.

Speaker 22 See?

Speaker 37 Oh, honey, that's wonderful.

Speaker 30 Kicking like crazy.

Speaker 37 He's listening. Put your hand on your tummy and hum to him.
You used to love that.

Speaker 30 He feels like he's dancing in there.

Speaker 22 Oh, honey.

Speaker 30 Mom, would you tell Charlie that bedtime story you always used to tell me?

Speaker 37 Once upon a time, there was a baby unicorn who didn't know he knew how to fly.

Speaker 37 This baby unicorn was like your mom because she didn't know that she knew how to fly, but she knew how to do all kinds of fabulous things.

Speaker 21 Hi, Grandma.

Speaker 37 Hey, Charlie. How was school today?

Speaker 34 It was really fun.

Speaker 30 I'm in this crazy shot in basketball.

Speaker 35 I don't really care that much about basketball. What about the crush?

Speaker 38 Stop, grandma, stop, darling.

Speaker 37 Just tell me one thing.

Speaker 5 Look, who's gonna be a great grandmother?

Speaker 35 Oh, Charlie.

Speaker 37 Oh,

Speaker 37 congratulations.

Speaker 7 She says that he's been kicking a lot, though.

Speaker 6 Like, a little too much.

Speaker 37 Tell her to put her hand on her tummy and hum to him.

Speaker 36 You've loved that.

Speaker 15 You would have loved this moment.

Speaker 37 You can call anytime.

Speaker 7 Drone strike. Drone strike, that company's headquarters.

Speaker 21 I hate that.

Speaker 25 Allowing him terrible.

Speaker 16 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 21 That was like made my skin crawl.

Speaker 16 Oh.

Speaker 13 This is the same thing.

Speaker 23 I hate that.

Speaker 10 You know what's going to happen, though? You know what's going to happen? And I was thinking about this with,

Speaker 10 you know, when you mentioned Charlie, like

Speaker 10 they're going to, they're going to be people who create who recreate like dead family members. That's what's going to happen.
Like, like if your child passes away and, and I get it, right?

Speaker 10 Like I, you know, as a dad and, you know, a bunch of us are dads, most of us are dads that, you know, I don't know how you'd live. Like,

Speaker 10 I just don't know how I could live with going through the laws of a child. And I could totally understand like

Speaker 10 wanting to recreate, you know, some sort of AI version of one of my kids just so you could like talk to them one more time.

Speaker 10 And at the same time, though, I could totally see that driving you completely insane. And I guarantee,

Speaker 10 if that hasn't happened already, I guarantee that's going to start.

Speaker 7 It's 100% going to happen. It's 100% a temptation that will, that is understandable for a lot of situations.

Speaker 7 And it must be resistant.

Speaker 25 It must be rejected.

Speaker 10 I'm telling you, like, I don't know how I could. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, think about it. It's actually a very classic story because, you know, what are, what's like the what do an awful lot of occult stories begin with?

Speaker 7 You know, you go, you use the Ouija board to try to talk to grandma again.

Speaker 6 And imagine, imagine like

Speaker 6 imagine the grandma responding with, I don't really care,

Speaker 10 by the way.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I don't care about it.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I really don't care about your bad.

Speaker 13 But here's the question: Can the occult take over AI?

Speaker 7 Oh, now we're getting into that weird stuff.

Speaker 13 But can

Speaker 13 the devil take over AI and use it

Speaker 13 for it?

Speaker 6 Just ask Sam on it. For sure.

Speaker 15 Apparently, he's a murderer.

Speaker 6 Allegedly. Allegedly.

Speaker 13 That's the reason

Speaker 9 why I'm going there.

Speaker 6 I just, I've heard that.

Speaker 18 That's also like, well,

Speaker 8 the reason why this freaks me out so much is because there's like these many people.

Speaker 6 Go ahead, Mikey. Sorry, buddy.

Speaker 23 Yeah, there's just these like God-given feelings that you have where God made it so that people die eventually.

Speaker 23 And I feel like with AI, we're gonna get to a place where you're gonna try to have a brain chip where you don't feel pain anymore, where pain is like a God-given thing to protect you,

Speaker 23 to to give you feeling. And I did I don't like this.
This is completely re-altering like the creator's structure for our life. But also, you guys talk about demons taking over stuff.

Speaker 23 I this is why the topic with the AI song that's trending in like the top two or three in the charts for Christian music right now on iTunes and Spotify is people are saying, can the Holy Spirit be in an AI song?

Speaker 23 Because it's not written by a human and the Holy Spirit moves through humans.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I actually thought about that. It's kind of like watching a fire on TV.
All the light, none of the warmth. It's like a Christian AI song.
It's like all the words, none of the spirit.

Speaker 6 I, yeah, man,

Speaker 6 that creeps me out a lot.

Speaker 6 And I think we're at this really brave new frontier brave new world and it like I had I can honestly say I have never had my skin crawl on thought crime like I did Watching that video that was genuinely pretty upsetting

Speaker 7 What's especially upsetting is in contrast to a lot of things where you can roll your eyes a little bit like you know it's like oh this new trend is sweeping the world and you'll think okay that's like bad but I can't imagine it I know deep in my bones this is going to be insanely popular people will want to do this sort of thing

Speaker 6 look at, listen to Jack's example.

Speaker 6 Jack, you're totally right. Somebody lost a child and you had all these videos on your phone and you put them into like a little online form and then poof, it spits out like an AI version of your kid.

Speaker 6 Like you would do that to comfort yourself if you lost

Speaker 14 your child.

Speaker 7 And then it gets to be. It's really bad.

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Speaker 10 Well, hold on, let's, let's, let's wait, guys. Let's just, we're talking around it, but let's just say it.
I mean,

Speaker 10 we all experienced a loss a couple of weeks ago, a couple months ago of Charlie. Would any of us sitting here right now actually want like a personal AI Charlie bot that we could talk to?

Speaker 6 I get the temptation.

Speaker 10 I wouldn't. I get the temptation, but I wouldn't.

Speaker 15 No, no, no.

Speaker 7 Like I said, I have run to, I have personally heard from people who have asked us to make this.

Speaker 17 I I have heard from people.

Speaker 7 I had to find a very polite way to say, I think that would be fundamentally deranged. Yeah, no.
I think not merely like misguided.

Speaker 27 I think it would be evil. I think about it, though.

Speaker 10 If you didn't know Charlie in real life, right? Like most people probably only knew Charlie through a cell phone screen, right?

Speaker 10 Or, you know, some other form of media, you have this sort of like parasocial relationship with the influencer. that was known as Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 10 that's kind of like looking at a footprint and thinking that a footprint is the actual person. But if that's all you ever knew was the imprint of Charlie that he left on social media, and of course,

Speaker 10 continues to be all over social media, then in your mind, you might think, well, it's not that different. I just want to hear that voice and that mind.

Speaker 10 talking about whatever the latest news is, whatever the latest turn of events is, whatever the latest twist of fate is. And I just want more Charlie content directly.

Speaker 10 And it seems like this is a tool to be able to do that. Then that's that's totally different.
You know,

Speaker 10 the way you come to that is totally different than if you knew Charlie and were like friends with Charlie, because you're thinking, well,

Speaker 10 it's like

Speaker 10 an online character almost. Do you get what I'm saying?

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 13 it's definitely a different need. Like, for me, it's again, it's like when you look, this is why I don't think it would work, and I think it'd be super weird, like what that company was putting forth.

Speaker 13 Is

Speaker 13 a really good friend or someone that you talk to so frequently.

Speaker 13 I miss Charlie because of the ideas that that we would talk about and the uh you know what we would create and the things that like the really tough conversations about like what needs to happen next.

Speaker 13 Like you can't replace that with AI ever,

Speaker 13 but that's the point of like your closest family members, your spouse, your whoever, your kids. Like AI would never be able to generate new memories.

Speaker 13 It just you know basically brings up old memories or their ideas about things happening to you.

Speaker 13 And that's totally different from the human experience that God intends you to have, which is your interaction with people is supposed to be all sorts of things. Good, bad, ugly, sad, angry.

Speaker 13 Like, you feel all of those real feelings with people that you actually interact with. AI,

Speaker 13 you wouldn't,

Speaker 13 you would be missing many of those interactions.

Speaker 6 By the way, you know what just occurred to me while you're talking about that? Like,

Speaker 6 there has been warnings. I don't know if it was Sam Altman who said this or if it was Elon, but it was basically like your search queries are searchable.

Speaker 6 Like, they're not protected, meaning like the FBI could get into them.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we've gotten, that's how they've charged people, you know, to search how to make a bomb.

Speaker 6 Sure. So, but, like,

Speaker 6 imagine how much material the NSA is going to have on people when they're sharing these deep, intimate moments with a robot or with an AI. Like, you have zero

Speaker 6 personal privacy at that point. You are living, your whole emotional life and existence is now on the Matrix.

Speaker 6 This is very, very troubling stuff. My skin is still crawling.
Can we go to Sidney Sweeney, who's a real person?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, AI Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 10 Allegedly need to.

Speaker 6 Allegedly.

Speaker 13 I mean, AI Sidney Sweeney would sell some people.

Speaker 6 Well, that will probably sell some jeans. Oh, my goodness.
The sound effect. That was dirty.

Speaker 15 That was dirty.

Speaker 6 Who in the studio chose that one? All right. Blake,

Speaker 6 who wants to set this one up?

Speaker 27 I'm Jack.

Speaker 10 Well, no, you guys set this up. I want to respond to it.

Speaker 7 I actually don't even know what the story is, to be honest.

Speaker 6 So the story is that I don't really know.

Speaker 13 She's refusing to apologize.

Speaker 6 She's refusing to apologize for being pretty. That was a couple weeks ago, but she's doubled down.
Now she has like a new line of...

Speaker 6 So it's like American Eagle has now restocked her jeans because they sold out. And now she's got this new butterfly jean that she's designed, uh, which apparently, yeah, whoa,

Speaker 10 whoa,

Speaker 16 yeah, this is bad.

Speaker 10 This is really bad.

Speaker 27 AI

Speaker 10 is always a very bad sign. If you ever, young kings, this is all for the young men out there.

Speaker 10 If you ever see a girl who has a butterfly tattoo or a butterfly on her Twitter profile or Instagram or TikTok or whatever, run.

Speaker 38 It means she's super original.

Speaker 7 She's like not guided by other influences. It means like

Speaker 7 a woman with a butterfly tattoo, you know, she charts her own path through life.

Speaker 19 No one.

Speaker 10 Because butterfly tattoo, what does it always mean? It always means new beginnings. It always means new beginnings.
And you're like, new beginnings?

Speaker 10 What was happening before the butterfly tattoo? What was the...

Speaker 27 What was the...

Speaker 9 She was an OnlyFans model.

Speaker 27 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 10 So I don't know if that's what Sidney Sweeney is saying here, but yeah, the butterfly has always been a negative take.

Speaker 10 But no, so I wanted to hit this on Sidney Sweeney because I think the right is lulling themselves into a false sense of

Speaker 10 a false sense of calm with her and thinking that like, oh, she's, you know, she's like our girl. She's going to be helpful to us.

Speaker 10 When I think the right is, is, you know, she's actually, we're actually being set up.

Speaker 10 So just because Sidney Sweeney isn't like woke and trans and all this, that doesn't mean that she's not a hardcore feminist. And what, and I think that's what is going to be set up for.

Speaker 10 So if you guys go and have you guys heard about the new movie that she's going to be starring in starting next month?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I watched the trailer. I'm going to have the team pull it.

Speaker 10 So this movie is called The House Maid. And if you guys don't know what The Housemaid is, it is the number one book for women in all of America right now.

Speaker 10 Housemaid, it's in like every airport. You go to every bookstore.
It's like on every list. There's a whole series of them.
And what it is, is basically Radio Rwanda for women.

Speaker 10 It is the most, the Housemaid is the most anti-male narrative that's ever been written. It is, it is straight up

Speaker 10 anxiety porn for women to teach them that men are evil and that men should be killed. And if you don't believe me, go and pick up one of them.
So I did. I read the very first one.

Speaker 10 And in the very first novel, all the women are good, sort of. The men are

Speaker 10 depicted and portrayed as evil for no reason because men exist, they are therefore evil.

Speaker 10 And then the housemaid basically becomes this character that quote-unquote traumatized women get to hire in order to murder your

Speaker 10 narcissist husband and get away with it. And then she becomes the hero of the series.

Speaker 10 And each episode, each book, is then another way that she's going to come in and get hired to murder someone's husband for them. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 27 That's the new Sydney Sweeney movie.

Speaker 6 So it's like living vicariously through your housemaid so they can murder your deadbeat husband.

Speaker 10 Got it. Yeah.
So, like, here's the trailer now.

Speaker 6 Here's the trailer starring Sidney Sweeney 345.

Speaker 6 Hi, Manny.

Speaker 30 Hi, Mrs. Winchester.
Please call me Nina.

Speaker 38 Come on in.

Speaker 12 What are you doing here?

Speaker 30 I work here.

Speaker 38 Billy threw away my PTA notes.

Speaker 34 Why don't we go check your office?

Speaker 32 You need to be more careful next time.

Speaker 12 You've ruined my entire day.

Speaker 22 I'm sorry.

Speaker 25 I do not know how he puts up with her.

Speaker 30 He's a hot taint.

Speaker 12 I really need to get out of here.

Speaker 30 You're leaving?

Speaker 21 No. You misheard me.

Speaker 30 I want you to feel safe here. I don't know what I'd do without you.

Speaker 30 Oh my god. What kind of monsters are we?

Speaker 12 I need a sandwich.

Speaker 7 I'm reading the summary of this book and it's insane. I'm just going to spoil it because I don't.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's well.

Speaker 15 We should spoil it.

Speaker 7 So the spoiler is: I'm just going to abbreviate the plot here. So the Sidney Sweeney character gets hired.
She's just out of prison. And she basically gets

Speaker 7 hired as a housemaid to work at this family. And initially, it seems like the wife is crazy and like the husband puts up with her.

Speaker 7 TLDR, it turns out the husband is actually this emotionally and physically abusive psycho who tortures the wife.

Speaker 15 And then then all women, all husbands.

Speaker 7 And then, yeah, which all husbands are bad. And then it's like the twist is Millie had actually killed, she went to jail because she killed someone trying to rape her friend.

Speaker 7 And of course, the evil justice system sent her to jail for this because it's run by men.

Speaker 7 And then she gets out, and then the Nina, the wife, had hired her because she's hoping because Millie is this woman who will step up and rescue and kill men who are abusive.

Speaker 7 She's hoping Millie will do what she's too much of a coward to do. So what Millie does is literally this is the description.

Speaker 7 Millie incapacitates Andrew with pepper spray and locks him in a room. She then forces him to perform the same punishment.
Andrew was trying to abuse her.

Speaker 7 She forces the husband to do the sorry, Andrew's also the name of the husband in the story.

Speaker 7 She forces him to do the same punishment and then rips out two of his teeth and then leaves him to die of thirst.

Speaker 7 Then the wife comes back to the house and discovers the husband dead. She tells Millie to flee.
Eventually the police decide that it was an accident.

Speaker 7 And then the wife and the Sidney Sweeney character team up to they form a group to actually a different trick.

Speaker 7 Anyway, the Sidney Sweeney character starts a group to help women get out of abusive relationships by murdering their husbands.

Speaker 10 I'm not, so this is sold, so that's basically what I said.

Speaker 10 This has sold 2 million copies, just the very first book.

Speaker 10 across Amazon, Barnes and Noble, books a million, print, e-book, and audiobook formats. It is all over TikTok.
bestseller status, New York Times, USA Today.

Speaker 10 This is the number one book for women in America today.

Speaker 10 This is, so men, so it is anti-male. It is anti-marriage.
It is anti-family. It is, all men are evil.
Marriage is a trap. Every husband is a ticking time bomb.

Speaker 10 Every home is a cage that you are, you know, if you are not in complete control of, then you are inherently in a cage. Marriage itself, of course, is a cage.
Women are always the perpetual victims.

Speaker 10 And also, by the way, Blake, to what you were just saying, it doesn't matter how extreme your behavior is as long as you're a woman, because if a woman does it, it's justified.

Speaker 7 We just need a general conversation on women's fiction. It's gotten really bad.

Speaker 7 Like, if you go to a bookstore, a huge amount of the fiction on sale, first of all, the covers make them look like children's books. They'll have these like very inoffensive cartoons.

Speaker 7 And then a ton of them are like that. They're either weirdly murderous or they're just literal smut.
And it's very low effort smut.

Speaker 7 I was in the airport the other day and hockey romances have become this huge thing. So women like romance novels, but then there's specific types of romance novel they like.
Hockey? Hockey romance.

Speaker 7 So there's different types they like. So they like, you know, business exec romance.
They like cowboy romance. They like werewolf romance.

Speaker 7 And they like, there's a lot of sports romances, but specifically hockey. They really like romance stories involving hockey players.
That's an interesting thing. You could really dissect that.

Speaker 7 My guess is, frankly, I'll be honest, hockey is probably one of the last sports that's like implicitly mostly white people.

Speaker 7 And so it's where you plausibly have, you know, where you have a tall guy, where you have a tall guy who's like, can be blonde and blue-eyed, which is what a lot of women like.

Speaker 7 It's kind of violent. So yeah, they can be tough.
It's still a team sport. So you can have the interpersonal drama of what's going on within the team.

Speaker 7 You're not going to get that with tennis, for example. I just think it's all those things together.
But there's tons of these. There's one called Icebreaker.
You've seen the cover.

Speaker 7 It's in every bookstore. It's sold millions of copies.
It has hundreds of thousands of ratings on Amazon and on Goodreads. But there's tons of these.
So I was in the bookstore the other day.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It was book four.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so we have that. That is just...
One of the most popular books of the past decade is that.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. Millions of copies.

Speaker 7 And it is just a smut smut book.

Speaker 6 Over 1 million copies sold.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it is smut. It is literally just a pornographic book.
Trust me on this one. And there's tons of them like you thought.

Speaker 25 You bought it at the airport.

Speaker 21 I did not buy it.

Speaker 12 Blow my mind. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 I bought the e-book. I was in the airport, and there was a different romance series, and it was a whole hockey romance series about the Jacksonville Rays, a fake NHL team.

Speaker 7 And it's getting more and more extreme because book one,

Speaker 7 that one we saw there is at least, as far as I know, a normal romance, just boy girl. I thought you said it was a a porn.

Speaker 7 Well, it is, but it's still like...

Speaker 15 Boy, girl.

Speaker 7 It is still just a normal relationship. It's smut.
Is what he means. So, book one of this Jacksonville Rays series, first of all, all the titles are just actually...

Speaker 7 This is probably another reason they like hockey. They're just bad, dirty puns, like, you know, like down to puck and pucking strong and stuff like that.
Anyway, book one was

Speaker 7 woman has love quadrangle with four with three guys on the hockey team. And the happy resolution is Polly Amory.
She can just be with all all three of the guys and that's the happy ending. Book two,

Speaker 28 book two

Speaker 6 is

Speaker 7 there, it's a body positivity romance. So it's like a big girl, a fat girl, and she still gets the hot hockey player.
And by book four, which is the one I encountered,

Speaker 7 it's just a gay romance. Two men, but it's still written by a woman for women.

Speaker 3 Are you sure you didn't buy these books?

Speaker 7 I did not buy it. Are you sure?

Speaker 13 I could just see you rolling up to the bookstore at the airport with your Boba T. Wait, this is amazing.

Speaker 13 And you bought it.

Speaker 9 I did not buy it.

Speaker 7 I did not buy it. I did not read it.
I thought it was funny. So, for investigative purposes, that is the series.
So, for investigative purposes.

Speaker 7 For investigative purposes, Blake, you know too much. I looked at the book, but I did not buy it.
I did not read the whole thing.

Speaker 12 You did not inhale it.

Speaker 7 I will admit, it took me an amusingly long time to realize that the gay one was like a gay romance novel, even though I opened up the books.

Speaker 25 your gay dars off.

Speaker 13 How far, how far in the book?

Speaker 8 How much of the book did you read before you realized?

Speaker 7 The funny thing is, is I opened to a random page, and they're literally one of the characters is like, Are you on prep? What's prep? And it's the drug that you take to not get HIV if you are.

Speaker 13 You know, way too much about this book.

Speaker 25 I love it. You read the book.

Speaker 8 I love the word about book.

Speaker 8 I am under attack.

Speaker 7 I am being persecuted.

Speaker 21 Blake knows way too much about European history, too.

Speaker 15 So it's like, yeah,

Speaker 25 Blake, you are a good boy. I I tried to bring you entertaining stories.

Speaker 38 I tried to bring you entertaining stories.

Speaker 6 Somehow, Blake, you made my skin crawl more than the AI grandma video.

Speaker 21 You guys,

Speaker 7 I am persecuted because I try to bring funny information to you.

Speaker 10 You're trying to set up, and Blake is like, hey, how about those gay hockey novels?

Speaker 15 How did we get forward?

Speaker 18 Yeah, but what about those gay hockey novels?

Speaker 7 Because women's lit is out of control.

Speaker 28 Okay, but

Speaker 15 here's the setup.

Speaker 6 Here's Here's the setup.

Speaker 6 I told this to the team

Speaker 6 that Sidney Sweeney is going to absolutely let it. She's going to overcompensate because she knows everybody thinks she's right-coated and a conservative and MAGA and all this stuff.

Speaker 6 She's going to overcompensate. This is why we saw her naked on some sort of red carpet thing.

Speaker 6 She had her,

Speaker 6 you know.

Speaker 21 Why'd you say it that way?

Speaker 14 I don't know.

Speaker 6 She was naked.

Speaker 6 Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 6 That was.

Speaker 25 This is the thing.

Speaker 6 Well, it was basically.

Speaker 8 Oh, it's blurred.

Speaker 15 I see. Oh, it's blurred.

Speaker 6 No, so I can't see it from here.

Speaker 6 She is going to let us down because she's going to say, No one controls me. And to Jack's point, I think she's, you know, empowered feminist.
She's not going to be controlled or defined by anybody.

Speaker 13 Well, I do think that her career has been built around the blurred out section there. So,

Speaker 13 I mean, a lot of her career

Speaker 13 has been focused

Speaker 13 in one part of her

Speaker 19 skill set.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Well, anyway.

Speaker 10 Her charm.

Speaker 7 Her intellect.

Speaker 6 I thought that she did a great job. I thought she did a great job.

Speaker 6 She knows what's not apologizing to that.

Speaker 6 It was a Cosmo or GQ or

Speaker 6 what was the I can't remember. She heard the outlet, but she did a great job of not apologizing for the ad because the whole thing was blown out of proportion.
Good genes, all this stuff. Anyways,

Speaker 6 I guess I suppose I'm a fan-ish of Sidney Sweeney just because she's something new and novel and unique.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I think you're right, Jack.

Speaker 6 If you're going to put any faith in Sidney Sweeney, be prepared to be let down greatly.

Speaker 10 And that's where it is, guys. We're on a bad one.

Speaker 19 No one here is let down by Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 10 Men need to rise up. We need to stop.
We need to stop trusting

Speaker 10 these Hollywood starlets. We need to stop trusting these New Jersey women like that one who apparently faked like a hate crime, a Trump hate crime or something.
Can't do it, boys. It's all up to us.

Speaker 13 She worked for Van Drew.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 27 Yeah. All the guys were sharing that picture

Speaker 10 in the group chat today, and

Speaker 10 they were like, I can fix her.

Speaker 28 I can fix her.

Speaker 6 All right. Listen, Jack, you have an event tonight.

Speaker 6 If you want to preface it, then we'll we'll

Speaker 16 take us on.

Speaker 10 Much of it's live streamed or like it comes out the next day or how that works, but I'm an event tonight here actually backstage at

Speaker 10 what is this place called? The Diamond Heart Arena.

Speaker 10 In Bakersfield, California.

Speaker 10 It is Megan Kelly, myself, Victor Davis Hansen, Steve Hilton, and believe it or not, Charlie Sheen. Yes, that's right.
The Charlie Sheen is here. Ricky Vaughan himself will be on stage as well as I.

Speaker 10 And,

Speaker 10 you know,

Speaker 10 this was actually

Speaker 10 supposed to be Charlie's stop on the tour with Megan Kelly. And obviously, Charlie can't be here.
And, you know, she asked me to just come up and say a few words about him. And I'm going to do that.

Speaker 10 And I'm really looking forward, of course, to Erica when she goes and speaks to Megan Kelly, I think, in two nights' time

Speaker 10 on Saturday night there in Phoenix.

Speaker 6 Yep, Glendale. Doing it, the old coyotes arena there.

Speaker 22 Desert,

Speaker 23 Yeah, Desert Diamond Arena.

Speaker 6 Mm-hmm. Speaking of hockey.

Speaker 13 We got to have the coyotes come back, but not to Glendale. We need them back to Scottsdale.
That'd be fantastic.

Speaker 16 That'd be great.

Speaker 6 Jack, I'm going to take us home here, brother. But this has been a very fun, illuminating,

Speaker 6 skin-crawling discussion. I've been surprised, enlightened, disappointed, disgusted.
All of the things. Hopefully you enjoyed it.

Speaker 22 That's what she said.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 6 Until next Thursday, keep committing thought crimes.

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