Ukraine: Peace At Last? + Mamdani in the White House

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Speaker 4 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Happy Monday.
It's Thanksgiving week. We're excited to be with you in studio.
We have Blake Neff here, as always, joined as well by

Speaker 4 the Zoron Mamdani questioner.

Speaker 4 The repeated questioner.

Speaker 5 Bench presser, some might say.

Speaker 4 Jack Bisobic, who was just at the White House on Friday during the Zoron Trump Accords. I want to hear

Speaker 5 the process.

Speaker 4 The peace accords. Yeah, give me the insight process.

Speaker 5 They did not share Diet Coke, though. I can confirm that no Diet Coke was shared or offered.

Speaker 4 They didn't even offer it?

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 6 They didn't offer it.

Speaker 6 I've never seen a Friday person drinking Diet Coke. All right, hold on.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we have to play the clip. I wasn't planning on just a bit of a about face.
It just happened off the spur of the moment. This is cut 98.
This is Jack repeatedly bench pressing Zoramdani.

Speaker 5 You're continuing this idea of race-based property taxes.

Speaker 7 No, to be very clear.

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 the use of the term was a description of neighborhoods, not a description of intent.

Speaker 5 So you intend to tax the whiter neighborhoods more?

Speaker 7 No, we intend to create a fair property tax system because we want a New York City that is not only fair and equitable, but also one that every New York can afford.

Speaker 4 Ah, we missed the first question there. There was like, there was that moment where you go, yes, you did.

Speaker 5 No, no, you did.

Speaker 5 That's Clippy, it's hard to hear it.

Speaker 5 He's like, no, yes, you did.

Speaker 5 Well, no, you said it.

Speaker 6 It was a good clip.

Speaker 5 It was a good clip.

Speaker 5 You said white neighborhood.

Speaker 6 Well, I have to just say,

Speaker 4 I have to say, Blake sort of was warning about this beforehand.

Speaker 6 Blake was going.

Speaker 9 Yeah, everyone was like, it's going to be this big show. I was like, Trump likes New York.
He likes meeting people. He's not actually as hostile to his political enemies as in person.
Yes.

Speaker 6 He's actually quite congenial.

Speaker 4 Yes, he's very congenial in person. That's the word I was going to use as well.
And I kind of knew it was going to be peaceful. And in walks Jack Pesobic and sort of gives the people what they want.

Speaker 5 Somebody had to do something.

Speaker 5 Somebody did something. Some people did something.
Ilhan Omar. No,

Speaker 5 it was just this situation where I honestly just got it.

Speaker 5 I'm so annoyed that, like, here's this theater kid who's up there, like, acting as if he didn't do all the Bollywood stuff on his acceptance speech and

Speaker 5 demagogue white people on the campaign and talk about how my campaign is for Blake, you remember the list, right? The Bangladeshi taxi driver.

Speaker 6 I think you mentioned Uzbeks. We have Uzbeks and the Kajiks.

Speaker 5 And the Ecuadorian Abuelas and all the

Speaker 5 just went full mask off. And now he's trying to ratchet it back.
He's trying to put the mask back on. And, oh, no, I'm just a nice guy.
All I care about is affordability, et cetera.

Speaker 5 And it's like, no, you said all these things. You just don't get to walk away from that because you're in the Oval Office.
And you could tell, though,

Speaker 5 I don't think anyone in media has ever really just like held him to account on these things. They usually sort of like, you know,

Speaker 5 let him just. spill his word solid out and then go with that.

Speaker 4 It was a total non-answer too, by the way. He was like, it's a description of intent, not a

Speaker 4 lot of people. Tax whiter neighbors.

Speaker 6 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 And, you know, listen, we're going to watch and see how that happens. You know, Trump is giving him an olive branch, not to be a crazy person.

Speaker 4 I think a lot of people interpreted that as Trump folding and being charmed by Mom Donnie. No, no, this is Trump 101.
Olive Branch. Hey, we had a nice conversation.

Speaker 4 We're going to hold off on doing anything crazy. Let's see what he does.
And if he crosses me, we're going to go for him.

Speaker 5 Well, and imagine Mondami now having to go back to the left and be like, why did you sit down with a fascist?

Speaker 4 Yeah, exactly. Well, and he's got clips on that, by the way, where he's basically saying,

Speaker 4 everything I said about Trump still holds true now, which is a very, very strange thing to do. And he wouldn't actually just come out and say, yeah, he's a fascist.

Speaker 4 He said, what I said previously is still true.

Speaker 6 It would actually be funny if you just said. Just say it.

Speaker 4 Just say it.

Speaker 4 Anyways, we are going to talk about Ukraine.

Speaker 4 There is a massive movement that's been happening, Blake, on the Ukraine peace front. So there was, you can set this up, but there's essentially two competing deals that are now being floated.

Speaker 4 There is a U.S.-led effort that apparently happened with Witkoff and some Russian counterparts in Russia. That's where the negotiations were happening.
And then there was, that was leaked.

Speaker 4 And then the EU rushed to put together their own

Speaker 4 point-by-point plan. The U.S.
one has 28 points. And the EU's is a little bit more pro- Yeah, yeah, let's just talk about Ukraine.

Speaker 9 We didn't get to this last week. So there's been, it was a leaked 28-point plan, as they call it.

Speaker 9 We're not sure by whom, although evidence is it probably actually was leaked by the Russian side, which was capitalized on the press to say it was a Russian-authored plan. But what's going on is

Speaker 9 we have actually haven't talked about the war in a while. The war is still going.
It is still grinding. There is evidence it has been getting worse for Ukraine than it was a few months ago.

Speaker 9 They're losing ground a little bit faster. Not super rapidly.
It's a big meat grinder war, but things aren't looking promising. And so last week we had this peace plan come out, 28 points.

Speaker 9 And some of the key ones, do we have that B-roll of the map that I gave you? I don't have the number in front of me right now.

Speaker 9 Yeah, throw that one up. 122.
122.

Speaker 9 So this is the heart of it. It would basically...

Speaker 9 It would cede to Russia the areas of Ukraine, basically what the current frontline is. There's a tiny amount of adjustment in the north, but it essentially matches what the current front line is.

Speaker 9 It would create a demilitarized zone in Donetsk province, which is one that Russia wants, but they haven't taken all of it. So it would essentially demilitarize the parts still held by Ukraine.

Speaker 4 That'd be the purple section.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And what's very important is this deal, the 28-point deal, would formally acknowledge Russia taking those territories, as opposed to what some have insisted on, where they might allow Russia to keep occupying them, but continue to leave it as, you know, not recognized.

Speaker 9 That's supposedly Ukraine should take it back.

Speaker 4 That's U.S. recognition.

Speaker 9 Yeah, U.S.

Speaker 5 recognition.

Speaker 5 That means the President of the United States would come out with the whole of government, Secretary of State, saying, and that's something obviously another president could overturn, but of course the Russians could always point to saying that, look, the U.S.

Speaker 5 recognizes that.

Speaker 9 And truthfully, I think that is a very important part of what I think a long-term peace would be because what has kept this a tumor that has flared up over and over again is that it's not resolved.

Speaker 9 It is never resolved. There is no final jurisdiction for 11 years now.
For 11 years. And And that's almost, that's likely what led to this war is the refusal to acknowledge

Speaker 9 the ceding of Crimea, or I should say the seizure of Crimea. And

Speaker 9 their original offer before the war happened was if you would acknowledge Crimea and then a few military concessions, that they would be okay with a long-term peace.

Speaker 9 That wasn't ceded, so instead we got this war. Other stuff in it,

Speaker 9 the peace deal would require Ukraine shrinking the size of its military. I think that will be a difficult sticking point.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's the U.S. version, not the EU version.
The U.S.

Speaker 9 version, yeah, the U.S. version.

Speaker 4 The U.S. version caps the Ukraine military at 600,000, which is still huge, by the way, for European terms, especially.

Speaker 4 The EU plan would give no restrictions placed on Ukraine.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it would not allow them into NATO, though, would allow them into the European Union, which I feel would be a quite important session because is Russia going to invade a member of the European Union, especially if the European Union maybe developed some sort of unified armed forces?

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 9 It seems less likely to me. But the point is, this is a lot of people have freaked out about this.
There's a lot of opposition to it.

Speaker 9 There has been a counter-European Union plan where the main argument they've made is basically that it has a smaller number of points in it.

Speaker 9 It's 19 points instead of 28, which means it concedes less to Russia.

Speaker 5 The neocons are freaking out, and that's the really big thing because they just don't want the war to end.

Speaker 4 They don't. Well, here's the thing.
I mean, I think they're still playing under an old paradigm. Here's one big key difference between the two plans, by the way.

Speaker 4 The Trump 28-point plan does offer G8 membership to Russia if they play by the rules overtime. So Russia could get back into essentially the League of Nations.

Speaker 5 And Trump talked about that a lot. Yeah.
He mentions it like every time he goes to the G7.

Speaker 4 That's a big carrot that is dangling out there for Russia if it

Speaker 4 plays by these rules. And I think here's the deal.
You have,

Speaker 4 to your point, Blake, this war continues grinding on. There is no end in sight.
Massive loss of life and casualties.

Speaker 4 One thing we know about Russia is they are very good at wars of attrition, where they just grind them out a long, long time.

Speaker 4 I mean, so I think that if you compare and contrast these two plans, you still have the European Union playing over under

Speaker 4 an old paradigm, if you will. And I think just analyzing both of them this morning and over the weekend, the Trump plan feels much, much more realistic.

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Speaker 4 I'm gonna play the clip here. Let's play cut 93.
All the women are talking about it. 93.

Speaker 11 You told me this in private, but

Speaker 11 how many kids did you guys want to have?

Speaker 12 We wanted to have four.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 And I was praying to God that I was pregnant when he got murdered. Oh, wow.

Speaker 11 I thought of that once,

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Speaker 4 Yeah, it was a powerful moment.

Speaker 4 You know, I was kind of like side stage. And I, you know, I just never

Speaker 4 wanted to bring that type of stuff up with Erica, so it was news to me as well. I want to play some clips here from the Russia-Ukraine negotiations.

Speaker 4 This is Rubio and Yermak, and they are issuing statements after the first round of negotiations. Play Cut 90.

Speaker 13 So it is in my personal view that we've had probably the most productive and meaningful meeting so far in this entire process since we've been involved in from the beginning.

Speaker 13 We have a very good work product that was already built on a foundation of input from all the relative parties involved here, and we were able to go through some of those items now, point by point, and I think we've made good progress.

Speaker 4 So, he's saying it's the most productive and meaningful meeting so far, and that was Andrey Yermak, who's the head of the Ukrainian delegation to Geneva. So, those meetings were happening in Geneva.

Speaker 4 You know, it's an interesting piece of this, by the way, is that a lot of people are speculating this 28-point peace plan was actually drafted in Russian because it looks like

Speaker 6 we mentioned that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, translated over, but that's-I think that's just because

Speaker 5 when Axios got it, they got it from the Russians, so probably in Russian. But my understanding was that it, and Rubio came out and said, this is the U.S.

Speaker 4 Yes, he said it says it right there. No, he said it was the U.S., the U.S.
version.

Speaker 9 What stands out to me about certainly the U.S. plan is

Speaker 9 they'll complain that it's too pro-Russian, although I would just note, if you're going to oppose a plan that is pro-Russian, I feel you need a plan for, okay, is Ukraine going to win the war?

Speaker 9 Are we going to go until every Ukrainian is dead so you can feel really morally righteous over their pile of corpses?

Speaker 9 Are you going to step up to pay for it forever? That should be the question to Europe if they want it to go forever.

Speaker 5 Or are you going to deploy your own troops?

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 9 Like you have to ask those questions. Otherwise, again, you're just demanding that every Ukrainian die for your sake.

Speaker 5 Because this has been the issue, right? Is that we keep backfilling we, when I say we, the West, EU, US, et cetera,

Speaker 5 technology, drones, intelligence, et cetera. But nobody's actually sent troops.
And the problem is, is that you can use those drones.

Speaker 5 You can hit Russia in the backfield, target energy infrastructure, things like this. But you know what you can't do? Capture and hold terrain.

Speaker 9 Only men can do that.

Speaker 4 You need men for that.

Speaker 9 You just can't. And that would be the biggest escalation of sending actual troops.
And at that point, which nobody wants to do. You're dangerously close to the big escalation that we never wanted.

Speaker 9 So what stands out to me in the U.S. plan is it is a serious bid to say we are attempting to normalize relations with Russia after effectively a 20-year

Speaker 9 new Cold War with them, if you will.

Speaker 5 Here's the question that I think, and I don't know if we mentioned it, there is this question about, and Bannon's brought it up, the security guarantee for Ukraine, right?

Speaker 5 Is that like an Article 5 guarantee?

Speaker 6 But I wanted other stuff.

Speaker 9 Other stuff, though, it's that Russia gets reintegrated into the global economy. So we stop the endless sanctions.

Speaker 9 That's also why you, frankly, recognize the territorial change, so that there is a set, mutually agreed-upon border between the two.

Speaker 9 Instead of what stands out with the European plan is they don't want to acknowledge this.

Speaker 9 They want to continue that frozen conflict attitude that we had before this war, where, okay, you occupy this land, but we're not acknowledging it.

Speaker 9 So it's a potential flash point whenever we want it to be.

Speaker 5 I mean, a couple months ago, people were saying when, you know, I remember I went to Alaska when Trump had to sit down with Putin and Putin came over.

Speaker 5 And, you know, but then it all kind of unraveled after that. And they announced this Budapest thing, but then it never really got off the ground.

Speaker 5 And a lot of people were saying, Hey, and Ukraine really wasn't

Speaker 5 agreeing to anything at that point. Zelensky came in and it's like, Look, we had the meeting, but you didn't agree to it.

Speaker 5 So, people are saying that an armistice might be the only thing possible at that point.

Speaker 5 So, the fact that Ukraine is on board with this and we are seeing the Russians be on board with this, I think that actually speaks credibility to what, or gives credibility to what Rubio is saying.

Speaker 5 That actually, there's a real possibility for a deal here.

Speaker 4 Well, and it strikes me, Blake, to your point, is that the only only way to have this be a lasting peace is if you officially recognize the ground that Russia has gained in this long, bloody war.

Speaker 9 Or some portion of it. Maybe there's a counter-proposal they can make that cedes some of it back or something.

Speaker 4 But to your point, it's look, we have to understand that Putin sees this as his legacy.

Speaker 4 You know, basically, you know, reverting

Speaker 4 the errors and the sins of his predecessors in the 90s and when the USSR fell. And so he wants to at least, you have to give him something is my read on this.

Speaker 6 And I think this is a realistic

Speaker 5 and say, you know, we did all this and this is what we got.

Speaker 4 Well, you've got to also understand that Putin is propped up by oligarchs. That's the reason he's able to hold on to power is because he controls the oligarchs.

Speaker 4 You have to come back from a war like this and show something tangible. Otherwise, this is going to just continue on forever.

Speaker 5 And then the person who comes after Putin is going to be like 10 times worse if he's seen as a failure.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, in theory, theory,

Speaker 4 the glass have full, I think, EU rose-colored glasses vision is that they're going to be able to

Speaker 9 the fanatics who want this war to go forever. I feel like they're just calculating that Putin will die and then somehow Russia implodes after that.

Speaker 6 That strikes me as highly risky.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the last time that we were in the middle of the day.

Speaker 9 Think of the most insane Warhawks you've seen in America. They exist in Russia, too.
They sure do. They're more insane, arguably.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they're like, let's glass Paris kind of guys.

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Speaker 4 I'm so excited to welcome Scott Jennings, author of A Revolution of Common Sense, his new book. He's also the host of the Scott Jennings Show on Salem.
And you can find him on X at Scott Jennings KY

Speaker 4 for Kentucky. Good Kentucky, boy.
Scott, welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 Andrew, good to see you, my friend. And greetings from northern Kentucky today.
I'm traveling a little bit and glad to join you on the Charlie Kirk show, my friend.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's great to have you. I mean, the last time I saw you was with Charlie

Speaker 4 in Colorado, I believe.

Speaker 4 So it's

Speaker 4 a lot, but we stay in touch. You're doing great work.
Congratulations on the book, A Revolution of Common Sense.

Speaker 4 Why don't you tell us a little bit about the book and what it's about, why you wrote it?

Speaker 10 Well, I was listening to the president speak in January in his inaugural address, and he used this phrase, a revolution of common sense.

Speaker 10 And I thought at the time that would make a great book title because it is the perfect encapsulation or description of how he has rebranded the Republican Party and the conservative movement.

Speaker 10 And so I went to the Oval Office in early February. I pitched him on the idea of a book, and we worked together on it.

Speaker 10 He gave me access to him, to the Oval Office, to Air Force One, to the cabinet, to several members of the senior staff.

Speaker 10 And I told him I thought that 100 people would come along to write books attacking him for this, that, and the other.

Speaker 10 But somebody who likes him, understands what he's trying to do, and wants to give the American people a fair description of it ought to get a chance to write a book. And he agreed.

Speaker 10 So this was the product. And I'll just give you one more nugget, Andrew.
I didn't know what to put on the cover.

Speaker 10 So I sent the president a message and said, what's your favorite picture of yourself from the first hundred days? And that's the photo that came back. So that's the president's favorite picture.

Speaker 10 I let him pick it.

Speaker 4 Wow. Well, listen, the subhead, by the way, I think is really important.
And the reason I want to call attention to it is because it is something that Charlie was obsessed with.

Speaker 4 It was what he was laser focused on. You said how Donald Trump stormed Washington and fought for Western civilization.

Speaker 4 So you're painting this battle as an existential battle to save the West, to save Christendom, in a sense. I believe that.
Charlie believed that.

Speaker 4 Why do you believe it? If you could articulate it in the way Scott Jennings would, why do you believe the stakes are that that high?

Speaker 10 Well, first of all, the last time, as you mentioned, that I saw Charlie and you together in Colorado, if you'll remember the conversation that he and I had in front of that audience, we talked a lot about the future of Western civilization.

Speaker 10 And this theme permeates the book because I think, and I talk about this in some of my public talks, and I think Charlie understood this and articulated it well.

Speaker 10 We're not just battling about the day-to-day politics anymore. The future of our country, the future of the West, the future of

Speaker 10 whether we're going to live in a world that is based on the ideals that have been the foundation of our society for 3,000 years is going to continue.

Speaker 10 It's that versus really dark ideologies, people who would leave this world and darkness, people who have views that I think are really the enemies of human liberty.

Speaker 10 That's the battle that's going on right now. And I don't know whether President Trump knew he was signing up for it or not, but he is the leader of the fight for the future of the West.

Speaker 10 And look, this is, you know, the West isn't a place on a map. It's a set of ideas born in Jerusalem and Rome and Athens.
And it's been the foundation of our civilization.

Speaker 10 It's been the foundation of our freedom. This is the civilization that gave birth to the Bible, the Constitution, the concept of a university.

Speaker 10 Everything we are is based on this pillars of Western civilization, and it's in danger.

Speaker 10 I think our financial situation and the mass migration crisis in the world and the march of these dark ideologies, I think they're all combining to really challenge the future of the West.

Speaker 10 It's what keeps me up at night.

Speaker 10 And I think the president's leading us admirably, but I think we all need to understand: if you're within the sound of our voice, you're on the front lines of this battle right now, whether you know it or like it or not.

Speaker 4 Well, well said, and I think you talk about frontline of the battle. I want to bring Blake Neff in, one of our producers here,

Speaker 4 Scott, as well for this conversation. So

Speaker 4 we were just talking about in segments one and two about Ukraine, talking about frontline of the battle.

Speaker 4 There's a lot that's been made of this, the EU plan versus the United States plan.

Speaker 4 Give us your take. Just, you know,

Speaker 4 which plan do you see as the more realistic path to peace here?

Speaker 10 Well, look, I've thought a few things, and Secretary Rubio, I think, has done a good job trying to manage this. Number one, it has to be a negotiated peace.

Speaker 10 Neither of these guys is going to go back to their capital and take a knee and wave a white flag. I've never believed that.

Speaker 10 Number two, it has to be something that guarantees what's good for America. You know, what is good for us here? Security is good from a military perspective, perspective, but also economic security.

Speaker 10 We've spent a lot of money on this. We've spent a lot of time on this.
What are we going to achieve out of this negotiated settlement?

Speaker 10 And number three, ultimately,

Speaker 10 are we going to get any guarantees that we're not going to be involved in any conflicts in the near, medium, or long term? I mean, that's the other thing we're looking for here.

Speaker 10 And so I hear Secretary Rubio sort of laying out these principles. I think he's on the right track.

Speaker 10 You have to involve both countries. I've been sort of, you know, flummoxed at people who say, well, we just have to take whatever the Ukrainians want and force Russia to accept.

Speaker 10 Well, how do you do that? How do you force another country to accept something?

Speaker 10 It has to be negotiated and it has to be done from a position of strength, which is what I think Rubio is doing right now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm with you. You know, it seems like the basic disposition of the neocon right and the neoliberal left are really into this idea that you can't give Putin anything, Putin bad.

Speaker 4 We have to be enemies with Russia. This fixation on constantly being at Russia's throat and never being able to see a future where relations are normalized.

Speaker 4 Blake, I thought you painted that picture extraordinarily well earlier in the show, where the power of this deal is that you would have to essentially, as the U.S., go over and say those regions are now part of Russia.

Speaker 4 And there is a powerful, powerful,

Speaker 4 I think it's symbolically powerful, but it's also pragmatic and realistic because those areas, they speak Russian, they probably want to be a part of Russia.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Ukraine would have to cede some territory, but they've already ceded the territory in battle. And so you've ultimately got to give Putin something if you want the killing to stop.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think the most important thing here about this plan is it strikes me as a bid for a permanent peace. It is not...

Speaker 9 Anything that says, oh, we'll acknowledge you're there, but we're not going to recognize it, things like that, is treating it as a ceasefire.

Speaker 9 It is treating another war as the eventual outcome of this because if you're not recognizing it, your expectation seems to be there will be another fight about it someday.

Speaker 9 And whereas if you're reintegrating Russia into the global economy, if you're creating a new international border, the intent is this is supposed to be a permanent resolution.

Speaker 9 And I just feel there is no long-run value for America or for the West generally and just being in a Cold War or hot war with Russia forever.

Speaker 4 Well, and Scott, so I throw it it to you. Let's play CNN here.

Speaker 4 Let's play a little game here.

Speaker 4 I'm going to be your counterpart. But Scott, isn't that rewarding bad behavior? Isn't that rewarding? If we give Russia this territory and we acknowledge it as the U.S.,

Speaker 4 we're rewarding bad behavior, are we not? This is unrealistic

Speaker 4 for the future. It sets a bad precedent.

Speaker 10 Well, look, we've already punished Russia somehow,

Speaker 10 and it has to do with sanctions that we've recently put on oil companies. A, B, we got NATO members to do 5% on defense spending.
No other president's gotten that done.

Speaker 10 C, Russia's goal was to take over all of Ukraine and to leave Ukraine not sovereign. And this plan would leave Ukraine sovereign.

Speaker 10 And so, no, I don't think Russia's getting everything they want out of this, just like Ukraine is unlikely to get everything they want out of it. That's what we mean by the term negotiated.
peace.

Speaker 10 Plus, as I understand it, Ukraine's going to get a security guarantee out of this. That's not something the Russians probably wanted to go into this war thinking that would happen.
And so,

Speaker 10 and let's not forget, on top of all of it, thanks to, I think, our help and thanks to the help of some other countries, Russia has suffered enormously in battle. Casualties are high.

Speaker 10 Their economy in some ways has been wrecked over this. And so we have punished these guys quite a bit.
And

Speaker 10 if you want the killing to stop, you're going to have to get to a point where both countries decide to stop. And that's the point of this agreement.

Speaker 10 But don't mistake that Russia got off scot-free here. I don't think they did.

Speaker 10 And if this agreement were executed, as we've seen it laid out in public by Secretary Rubio, this is not, I don't think, the outcome that Putin would have wanted when he started this war.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think that's spot on, Scott, here. Again, author of the, I want to make sure I get the title just right.
The Revolution of Common Sense.

Speaker 4 A Revolution of Common Sense, how Donald Trump

Speaker 4 stormed Washington and fought for Western civilization.

Speaker 4 We've got two minutes left here in this segment, Scott.

Speaker 4 You brought it up when we were texting, and so I I want to get to this story. She's being called the AOC of Tennessee.
And so it's Democrat Afton Ben.

Speaker 4 And she is taking incoming because she is on the record now saying that she hates the city she wants to represent. Let's play 135.

Speaker 8 I've been heavily involved with the Nashville mayoral race because I hate the city. I hate the bachelorettes.
I hate the pedal taverns. I hate country music.

Speaker 8 I hate all of the the things that make nashville barely an it city to the rest of the country but i hate it yeah i'm that girl at the airport that all these bachelorettes are giddy walking out and they're in their two-toned colored pantone pink shirts and they walk out and i'm like they're like oh my god nashville is my battle

Speaker 8 so loud

Speaker 9 um

Speaker 9 before before we dunk on her that woman could be elected to congress next week so again if you live in the seventh district you can vote right now early voting goes through wednesday Wednesday.

Speaker 4 Cast your vote now. Scott, your reaction.

Speaker 10 Well, welcome to the modern live. I mean, this is effectively a great hood ornament for what the Democratic Party has become.
These sort of vapid liberals who really hate the people they live around.

Speaker 10 This district, by the way, is partly Nashville, but it also includes a huge swath of rural Tennessee. Does that sound like someone who's got anything in common with rural Tennessee? It doesn't me.

Speaker 10 On top of that, you may have seen that she has been a longtime supporter of defunding the police.

Speaker 10 She went on MSNBC this weekend and refused to denounce those views that she has espoused for years about defunding the police.

Speaker 10 I mean, this person couldn't be farther from the center politically of that district than she is. But this is where the energy in the Democratic Party is right now.
She's the AOC of Tennessee.

Speaker 10 I mean, these sort of charismatic, condescending, hateful, socialist-style candidates, that's who they're nominating.

Speaker 10 That's who they're trying to put forward all over this country. And in a special election, anything could happen.
So, my advice to Republicans down there is: don't sleep on this.

Speaker 10 Trump won this district by over 20 points, but Democrats are pouring money into it for a reason. And you think that's the kind of person you want in Congress, think again.

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Speaker 4 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We're not done with Afton Ben here.

Speaker 4 There's so much

Speaker 4 good cuts on her.

Speaker 4 Let's see this.

Speaker 15 139, this is her saying that rioting is a way for people to express themselves and bragged about harassing ice agents yeah as you do 139 Afton Bane says I'm a very radical person so radical Bane thinks rioting is a way for people to express themselves worse bane went on a midnight joyride harassing ice officers and state troopers this is great we've got our girl squad and we're bullying the ice vehicles and state troopers so this is like unhinged and it's really

Speaker 15 Stop, Afton Bang. So radical, it's scary.

Speaker 9 So this is, that is a, it's in a Republican plus 10 district.

Speaker 6 That Trump vote by 20, right?

Speaker 9 Yeah. So it is

Speaker 9 a race we should win, but I mean, the headline today on the Hill is Democrats look to cap off winning streak with Tennessee special election. They are paying attention to it.

Speaker 9 They are putting money into it. We have to acknowledge they're a little more fired up right now, as they were during Trump's first term.

Speaker 9 That's how we got, you know, it started off with John Ossoff running for house. And I think he lost the first time, but it was very close, I think is what it originally was.

Speaker 9 And then he just gained more and more momentum. So if you are in Tennessee, I know you're out there.

Speaker 16 Go vote early right now.

Speaker 9 You can do it today. You can do it tomorrow.
You can do it Wednesday.

Speaker 6 Do it now.

Speaker 16 Get it out of the way. Yep.

Speaker 9 Otherwise, vote on Tuesday and put this to bed. Don't allow us to lose this.
If we lose this one, it will be really embarrassing and really bad for everything.

Speaker 10 Look, I mean,

Speaker 10 these Democrats have gone from defunding to dehumanizing and degrading the police.

Speaker 10 I can't imagine there's anybody in Nashville or surrounding areas that wants their representative in Congress to view law enforcement in that way. So if you need only one reason, that's it.

Speaker 4 All right, Scott. So we're talking about this special election in Tennessee, which we should win, but Democrats are more fired up than we are.
So we got to keep our eye

Speaker 4 on the prize here. We got to stay focused.
Go out and vote. As Blake said, that's exactly what Charlie would have said.
Just get out and vote. Vote early.
Get it done.

Speaker 4 You don't want a flat tire on election day to get in their way. But now we have MTG.
She has announced her resignation. Obviously, there was a huge fallout with President Trump.

Speaker 4 Our majority is getting slimmer and slimmer. And we got to keep our eye on this.
I think MTG's district is another R plus 10. So we're going to have a special election there, it sounds like.

Speaker 4 What do you make of this? Why are we seeing this? A lot of people calling this

Speaker 4 the fracturing of the right right now. We're kind of at a nader when it comes to energy.
What do you make of it?

Speaker 10 Well, a couple of things. One, I still think Donald Trump is enormously popular among Republicans.
I mean, I saw a data segment with Perry from CNN this morning on

Speaker 10 this. I mean, he had an 87% approval rating among Republicans.

Speaker 10 That's higher than Obama had with Democrats, and at this point, his second term, higher than Bush had with Republicans in his second term.

Speaker 10 So, in terms of his clout and influence at the party, I think that's really high.

Speaker 10 But you do see people starting, I think, to break with him for one reason or another on certain issues, and they really should not.

Speaker 10 I mean, my view is politics is a team sport, and he's the head coach, and he's still calling the plays right now.

Speaker 10 And we have a united opposition, you know, the media, the Democrats, the federal bureaucracy, the judiciary.

Speaker 10 I mean, you have these sort of entrenched interests that are united in trying to overwhelm the conservative movement. When we fracture,

Speaker 10 it makes their job a lot easier, frankly.

Speaker 10 And so I don't like it, I guess, candidly, when my friends, our friends are fighting, and I don't like it when it seems like there's a fracture, but we have a leader.

Speaker 10 His name is Donald Trump, and I think we ought to respect that.

Speaker 10 And I know people have differences of opinion on certain issues, but at the end of the day, we're fighting larger battles here, and internal fractures make it harder to win those larger battles.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I completely agree. And you've been excellent on staying focused on the left, Scott.
I mean, this is your, I would say it's your day job. It's really your night job on CNN.

Speaker 4 I want to play because it's just going, the clips are making the rounds. You wanna Kara Swisher's podcast, and she claimed that the Hunter Biden cover-up of the laptop was just politics as usual.

Speaker 4 I got to play this clip and get your reaction. 123.

Speaker 16 The story was true. There wasn't really any dispute of that, other than from these 50 people who come from government, who are in and out of government when Democrats are in power.

Speaker 17 That's politics to me, Scott.

Speaker 17 I mean, you're not naive. They were making their case, just like you would say Trump just did with whatever issue he has.

Speaker 10 Well, I don't agree that it's just a simple matter of making your case.

Speaker 16 It was one of the biggest lies that was told to try to get Joe Biden over the finish line.

Speaker 9 Do you think it's just politics as usual?

Speaker 17 Yes, I do, actually. I think it's, I do.
You lie absolutely.

Speaker 4 So lying, Scott, is just politics. to the Democrats.
You can just lie now.

Speaker 10 And honestly, it's worse than lying because they took 50 people that have intelligence titles. They've been director of the CIA.
They've been this, they've been that.

Speaker 10 And they put their own credibility out there to say this was Russian disinformation. And then on top of that, you had news outlets that were being forced to censor information.

Speaker 10 You had social media companies that were censoring information. They were stopping the American people from getting access to information on the doorstep of an election.

Speaker 10 It was a big misinformation op for the party that's constantly worried about misinformation. That's all it was.

Speaker 10 Remember, the New York Post had its social media accounts shut down because they're the ones that broke the story. So, this was not politics as usual, but to the left, anything goes.

Speaker 10 They will do anything, they will coerce anybody, they will censor anything in order to get political power. And I think that's what we have to realize that we're up against.

Speaker 10 It's not politics as usual, it's something much, much worse than that.

Speaker 4 And they have a whole media apparatus that will completely whitewash it on the back end when they get caught.

Speaker 4 Scott Jennings, a revolution of common sense. Check out his new book.
Thank you, my friend. It's good to see you.

Speaker 10 Good to see you, Andrew. Thank you, brother.

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