Is the Culture Apocalypse Upon Us?

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All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We are joined by Alan Bakari.
He's from the Foundation for Freedom Online.

He's been a guest on this show multiple times in the past, so it's good to have him back. You can find him at X, at Alan Bakari, B-O-K-H-A-R-I.
Alan, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

It's good to see you. Good to be back on.
Yeah, it was wonderful. So we are here to talk about Netflix and Warner Brothers.

So Netflix-Warner Brothers merger, yet again, we've talked a bit about this, but you have a new piece in The American Conservative where you say it's quite the headline.

It's Netflix swallowing Warner Brothers would create a monster. So that sounds like a fun discussion to have.
So why don't we just give it to you?

Why would, you know, you're from the Foundation for Freedom Online.

How does giant media company buying other giant media company undermine freedom online well i mean first there's a clear-cut uh you know competition case to be made here right i mean so netflix is already the largest streaming platform in america with 81 million subscribers if this deal went through there'd be uh 50 million almost 50 million subscribers more than their closest competitor so that's just a clear-cut and competition case you know concentration of markets always leads to declining consumer choice and and declining consumer standards.

So there's that issue. But there's also the wokeness question.
I mean, there's the wokeness question here as well.

Most of Silicon Valley, most social media platforms have been fairly sympathetic to where they've been going over the last three or four years.

They've, you know, they've gone, they've done a little bit of a U-turn, especially in the case of X, on their 2016 to 2024 era censorship policies.

They've rolled back some of those censorship policies. YouTube, for example, has unbanned a number of prominent creators that had banned during the worst of censorship.

So, you know, many of the social media platforms have rolled back their censorship policies. And in a way, social media,

you know, it's inherently disruptive to the legacy media, right?

So even when, even at the height of censorship, when trust and safety departments were banning conservative commentators, the logic of social media was to disrupt the legacy media and the post-war liberal order, which it held up.

Now, Netflix is not like that at all because they're they're a studio first and a technology company second so even though they're disrupting hollywood you could say that they've definitely done that

because they're a studio first they still have that ideological gatekeeping role so in a way they combine the worst elements of post-2016 silicon valley wokeness with hollywood liberalism to create something that's worse than both so i mean i'm not sure why any republican administration want to give a company like that more power.

Yeah, I like this line that you have in your piece where you just say, what makes Netflix notable is not just its size, but its ideological consistency. So, we saw that.

Microsoft retreated from its partnership with NewsGuard. They've cozied up to the administration.
Meta, Mark Zuckerberg came out and said, we're dialing back fact-checking.

We're not going to be the speech police. Google's cozied up to the administration.
We've had all of this.

But Netflix, it's sort of permanently 2020 over at netflix is is would that be a fair description that's a very fair description you just have to look at reed hastings's reaction to peter thiel backing trump back in 2016 he uh he sent him an angry email saying i can't believe you did this you have terrible judgment for backing trump whereas someone like mark zuckerberg was a lot more even-handed uh even when he was uh was aligned himself personally against trump you know he he you know put out some statements saying he respected diversity of ideological viewpoints so that really shows that netflix is all in in for progressive ideology.

And that really makes sense when you consider that

they're a combination of a Silicon Valley tech company with a Hollywood studio. I mean, those are two types of companies that tend to have very, very woke, liberal internal politics.

So you can see that in the fact that they put Susan Rice on their board in 2018 and brought her back after her stint in the Biden administration.

Yeah, so Alam, I had like kind of more of a basic question, actually. And, you know, I was like, why do we even have, why does this company even need to be sold, right?

I mean, Warner Brothers Discovery, and this is, by the way,

it contains assets like CNN, TNT,

HGTV. So it has the linear side.
Then they have this huge library of content.

Is there an argument that this company doesn't have to be sold at all? Or is that off the table at this point? I'm not sure why it has to be sold either.

It seems nothing more than a power grab by Netflix to increase its market share even further. Like I said, it's already

the biggest company in the market for streaming, and this would make them even huger.

And like you said, it also gives them more power over the news cycle in addition to a monopoly on storytelling and entertainment franchises with their ownership of CNN.

Yeah, well, and so that's the interesting thing. I kind of wonder what's going to happen with CNN

in this

mad dash to sell. So I think some we've seen this where there's been pressure where they might just have to spin it off or change that or dial it back.
And

I do wonder if that could be the cheap way that they satisfy the administration. Is this administration, I think it would be fair to say they President Trump, he's a very television-age person.

He watches a lot of TV. He's on TV all of the time.
He thinks a lot about Fox, CNN, Newsmax, all of those.

And so he would view CNN as an extremely important part of this deal. Yet in the big picture, it is clear

these networks, they're shrinking in importance, especially CNN. I think they're still dead last in ratings.
And the future, is the future in 20 years going to be defined by these news networks?

I'm skeptical. It is going to be much more decentralized.
There will be more options. There will be more independent shows.

And

I guess I would express the worry that if we just see this as a CNN thing, when it's really much more about who's controlling the commanding heights of popular culture. culture.

Yeah, it's the cultural economy and we shouldn't underestimate that, the power of storytelling, especially its influence over young people. And Netflix is already a meme.

I mean, if you go on X and you search for, you know, Netflix adaptation, you'll see all sorts of jokes about, oh, Netflix is going to adapt Beowulf and then they're going to make Beowulf into a black lesbian immediately.

I mean, you'll see jokes like that. And it's not exactly an exaggeration.
These companies really are probably the most liberal and progressive

companies in America today. And you know, if you really want to give companies like that more power, I think we should be thinking more about how

we're going to disrupt, how the market can disrupt Hollywood, disrupt these big entertainment studios and their chokehold over culture and the gatekeeping role that they play over the major,

the great Western stories that they all control through these IP controller contracts. And I think there's Silicon Valley definitely has a role there, especially with AI.

But Netflix is definitely not a disrupting agent like some other tech companies have been.

So, to bring the audience up to speed here, so Netflix had the winning bid at $72 billion cash and stock deal for the studios, HBO Max, DC, and gaming assets. So, this excluded the cable networks, and

the expectation was going to close in 12 to 18 months, pending regulatory approval, which is

a big, big thing there.

So, then Paramount comes in with a hostile counter on December 8th, so earlier this week, an all-cash, $108.4 billion offer for all of W Warner Brothers Discovery at $30 per share.

And this is backed by the Ellison family, Jared Kushner's, Affinity Partners, and Middle Eastern Sovereign Funds. Oh, boy.

So it promises a faster closure and $6 billion in synergies, but raises antitrust flags due to further.

Is it better to have

the emir of Abu Dhabi own HBO? I mean, you probably wouldn't get as many trans kids

and

gay, trans, you know, whatever character adaptations. And so President Trump has weighed in demanding CNN's sale in any deal.

So to Blake's point, I mean,

that's where we find ourselves. So, you know, it was interesting as well, Alan, when on the other side of this break, so ponder it now.

You know, you got President Trump come in and kind of took a shot at Paramount CBS with 60 Minutes and Leslie Stahl, and he's demanding an apology. So he's sort of applying pressure equally

on both sides of this ledger. So it'll be interesting to see how this does play out, but I think your point is well made.
The cultural implications are profound. And

I think we'd be wrong, Blake, to downplay too much the power of television and storytelling, even in 2025.

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Alam, explain what's going on. We've talked about it a little bit on the show already.
What's going on with the DSA, Elon Musk, X versus Meta?

It's over these blue check marks that you pay $8 a month to be verified on the platform. They're saying something was untoward there, but doesn't Meta also have paid verification? It does.

And, And, you know, just to put this in context, the EU Digital Services Act is probably the most dangerous censorship law in the world when it comes to online speech.

It was brought in a couple of years ago, actually, with the cooperation and encouragement of the Biden administration.

And X has become, was the first company to be investigated under the DSA after, you know, months and months of threats from European bureaucrats.

That actually began right after Musk took over the company.

So as soon as Musk took over Twitter, turned it into X, and started talking about how he's going to dismantle its internal censorship process, that's when the threats from European bureaucrats started.

X became the first company to be investigated, first company to be fined. It's 120 million dollar Euros, that's about 140 million dollars.

And if X doesn't comply, then the EU has the power to impose periodic penalties of up to 5% of a company's average daily worldwide turnover for each day of non-compliance.

That's a massive, massive fine. No company can withstand that.
And let's talk about why they were fined. So the EU points to three things.
One of them, as you said, was subscriber check marks.

The second two things, number one, not giving researchers, quote-unquote researchers, access to Twitter's ad repository and not giving those same researchers access to Twitter's data or allowing researchers to scrape the platform for data.

Now, all three of those things are directly related to online censorship, even if they don't seem so at first.

The subscriber check marks is how Twitter insulates itself from advertiser pressure because it gives us a stream of revenue that's not connected to ad revenue. So ad boycots have less of an impact.

Number two,

making sure researchers have access to ad repositories.

That's so the so-called disinformation researchers who are the foot soldiers of censorship, they're the ones who build lists of disfavored content, who build lists of

speech to censor and lists of advertisers to pressure for boycott that's how they operate that's why they need access to excess ads so they can see what ads are running and they also need access to twitter's public data so they can analyze it at scale figure out w who which users are talking about the wrong things which narratives are going viral without that access disinformation researchers are blind and disinformation researchers are essentially the stasi of the worldwide censorship complex that's been funded that was funded by the previous administration and is funded by western governments to control the internet.

Exactly, exactly. Do you know about Travis Brown, Andrew? No.
Yeah, you remember this story, right? Right, Alam?

He's the Antifa-aligned researcher. The German government funded this guy named Travis Brown to scrape the data off of, I believe it was still, it was Twitter at the time, off of Twitter and then X.

And then he would just give this to...

people aligned with Antifa to dox people. So for example, I believe when Libs of TikTok got doxed, it was with information that he got off the website.
Andy No was involved.

Yeah, they went after Andy No as well, and I think the post-millennial, I think all of them got targeted by this guy, and he's considered a researcher.

And this is one of the researchers that the European Union is saying you need to give open access to data. I just think it's the most obvious thing in the world.

What they want is to permanently use... misinformation, hate speech, safety.
These are all the buzzwords that they've used, that they used in America before 2022 to just justify unlimited censorship.

Yeah, and Alan, I mean, you do have an accent. We can hear you're not from here.
You know, Musk is

calling, he's basically saying Western civilization can only be saved if the EU is abolished. I mean, these are, Musk is not holding anything back.
He is, he is...

painting the EU as the chief villain in this story. Do you agree? What can be reformed? I mean, they seem wholly committed to censorship.

Yeah, I mean, the European Union has, and European bureaucratic elites have the most incentive to shut down online free speech because look at what's happening in their countries: France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden.

In all of these countries, young people

are turning towards the populist right, and they're turning towards the populist right because they have free speech on the internet, because they can see information that challenges mainstream narratives.

And European elites know if they don't shut that down, it'll be over for them and the parties, the political parties that support them. They'll just melt away as young voters voters take over.

Yeah. I mean,

you would know better than us. However, what's happening in these countries is truly remarkable, Alam.

And I mean, you're seeing the disintegration of the Christian West by mass migration, and young Europeans are fed up with it, as we are, honestly, in the United States.

However, we do have a more robust free speech culture. The whole world sort of looks to American conservatism to

get their talking points, to get their inspiration.

Alam, we hope you'll join us again as this story unfolds. I know there's going to be more twists and turns in the coming weeks.
So thank you so much, Alam. Thanks, guys.

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All right, welcome to the set. Now, Brandon Dre, you're the manager of Frontlines TPUSA.
You're also a reporter. You started as a reporter.
Now you're running it.

And I would say that of all the sort of divisions or projects within Turning Point, Charlie was potentially the most excited about Frontlines.

I can't say that for sure, but there was times, I remember conversations when we were dreaming up what Frontlines was going to be and could become. He was so bullish on frontlines.

So why don't you just describe what TPSA Frontlines is as a starting point? Well, first and foremost, I mean, Charlie was the original frontlines reporter, right?

I mean, he was out there demonstrating what it's like to be a man in the arena. And we're just carrying on that mission, right?

So out of the 2020 riots with BLM and protests and all that stuff, a couple years into it, Frontlines emerged as this like on-the-ground journalism wing of Turning Point USA where we're going out and covering these protests, these riots, and we're getting this exclusive, raw, unfettered, on-the-ground footage and posting it directly to social media so that way people are getting the real truth of what's happening out there instead of the mainstream media, which I was working for at the time.

They would cut away from these protests and these riots and they would show the the more peaceful side of things. Mostly peaceful.
Mostly peaceful side of things.

So, you know, Frontlines was one of those guerrilla journalism-style teams that was giving you the raw access to what was happening on the ground.

We had a show for a while, it was a half-hour show where we would kind of break down the news through original reporting.

But now we've grown into this nationwide network of videographers and journalists emphasizing truth, objectivity, and integrity, you know, through the turning point lens.

And, you know, our videos are often going viral. We're picking up

content that is the mainstream media is now forced to recognize because of its virality.

And, you know, it's just a really exciting time. We, you know, we've obviously have made an impact.
We've broken stories. We're.

We're getting we're expanding all the time. We're on campuses showing things that are happening like, for example, at Berkeley the other week.
Well,

let's give the audience-I mean, I know if you're watching, you can see it, but let's give the audience a little taste of some of the what Frontlines does. Uh, play cut 282.
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They've used armed gangs to assault local police and cities nationwide.

Well, they're throwing fireworks and orders. They just blew fireworks to the officers.
We have to step back. We'd have to step back.

And they've attacked journalists reporting on their crimes.

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Yeah.

I mean, gosh, you guys put yourself in some pretty radical positions.

Really, truly. How many frontline reporters do we now have? So we have four full-time reporters, and then we have about five contractors.

We're bringing on new people to just have boots on the ground in every part of the country. That's a lot, actually.
That's a lot of, that's a bit. I mean, you worked at the caller.

I mean, to have nine journalists out in the field doing independent journalism, original journalism, that's like starting to become. That's a significant operation.
That is.

There's a lot of stuff going on. Yeah, plus all the staff that you have, the camera crews, the travel.
I mean, it's a whole operation to make this happen.

I want to give some of these guys a shout out because some of them have been on the show, of course.

You know, go ahead. At 289, this is Cho Show, Jonathan Cho.

Tell us about Jonathan Cho.

There's nobody like the Cho Show. I mean, this guy was in the mainstream media for decades, and, you know, he was just too based for them, right? So

he joined our team. He's up in the Pacific Northwest.
He's in the Pacific Northwest West. He covers a lot of Seattle and Portland stories.

He's embedded with all these different underground networks where he's getting leads and, you know, often breaking these stories, again, that nobody else has.

He infiltrated two Antifa book fairs recently with one of our other contractors, Kevin Calb, 6'7, Kevin. And they went and discovered where these militants plan and recruit for direct action.

And it's at a book fair, right? And so, like, for example, the riots that happened at UC Berkeley at our turning point event the other week,

we knew about that ahead of time because we got the flyers from the book fair. Well, and you need to give us a heads up so we can alert authorities, too.
Absolutely.

That was the one note I got back from some of our friends. It was like, hey, next time something like this is going to happen, please let us know.

But yeah, so let's hear, let's go to, everybody knows Savannah Hernandez, 291.

Savannah Hernandez has been on the show a number of times. But by the way, she's been on a lot of shows.
She's become a huge star. Savannah Hernandez, there she is.
The great Savannah Hernandez.

I would say, as far as on-the-ground immigration stories, there's nobody better. Nope.
And there's only one Sav as well.

I mean, Sav happens to be in the right place at the right time every time she travels.

Every time.

Which is ironic because her travel always gets disrupted so it just goes to show that you know there's something there's something with her but she's really good with covering immigration you know she's exposing black markets that have been on you know a thing for decades but she's actually showing it in real time and it and showing how you know when the police come or ice comes there they have a really sign uh

operate like a a way of what do they do they like pack everything up and then get out of the situation really quickly.

And then, oftentimes, some of these big city police departments are complicit in it. Like, they'll turn away, and she's exposing that.
Yeah, that's amazing. Julio Rosas, 290.

So, Julio's also with the Blaze, but Charlie and Julio knew each other from like the very beginning of Turning Point. So, they go back like 2012, 2013.
Yeah, so Julio's a new addition to the team, and

he was recently embedded with Border Patrol in Louisiana for Operation Operation Catalua Crunch, where

he got a couple of the arrests happening in real time, some of the protesters.

He was also in Mexico City recently covering that big Gen Z protest riot that erupted

against this younger generation that are fed up with the cartels down there. Yeah, well, and Julio was also, I think he was in Kenosha for Kyle Rittenhouse.

He was one of the journalists on the ground there.

Next up, Bo Diddle, 292.

He's a newer addition to the team. So there's our graphic.
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Bo, I remember when I saw some of his original content, and he kind of does man on the street stuff. He'll do protest stuff.

He'll do all the things, but he's really good at man on the street, getting people's reaction to current events. Absolutely.

He's a personality, right? I mean,

he's very observant, and he loves asking questions. And that's one of his famous lines when the left tries to deny him or block him.
He'll just say, Hey, I'm just out here asking questions.

And he asked really objective questions,

but he's just got that personality that everybody can identify with. Yep.
And then here's Calem Dalmeda at 293. So Kalen is he's kind of an OG on the front lines crew.

And I think, if I'm not mistaken, he has the video with the most views of anybody besides Charlie, I would say. Because Charlie had some like runaway ones.

But besides Charlie, Kalen had the most viral video, and I think

it was a sort of a pedophile, like illegal, illicit sex sting thing that he was involved in, right? Yeah, he's got a couple. One of them involved a pedophile sting.
Another one involved him.

I mean, it was in that video that we just showed where he got knocked in the face. Oh, that's right.
He got assaulted. Yeah, and he was blood everywhere.
Yep.

So that was another one that went viral, but he's been on the ground. I mean, he was out there in L.A.
at the beginning of the summer.

He got flashbanged by one of the cops because he was just in the midst of all the chaos. A new addition that I think she's doing an amazing job, 294 Monica Page.

She is our

White House reporter. White House correspondent.
She's sort of D.C. She covers everything over kind of in the Acela corridor for us, if you will.

But she's doing a phenomenal job. And she's asked the president a bunch of questions, but then she'll go out on the streets, too.
Yep.

Yeah, I mean, she's primarily at the White House, but if there's a protest happening or if there's like some sort of man on the street interview that we want her to get, we now have access to the Pentagon.

We're part of the new Pentagon Press Card.

Sorry, Pentagon Press Corps. Yeah.
And she will be covering that as well if there is any major breaking news happening.

Last but not least, and maybe I'm forgetting somebody, but 295, this is Vicki Richter. She's new on the team, right? Yep.
Vicki Richter. She specializes in international exposés.

We did a really good piece on Brazil and its alleged CCP ties and this narco-communism ties. And she's doing another one about the Islam takeover of the West.
It's going to be coming out pretty soon.

So stay tuned for that as well.

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What were we looking at there, Brandon? That was pretty intense. So that was in Portland.
Sav was out there covering the ongoing protests outside the ICE facility.

And I love that clip because it just shows the heart of what we do. I mean, you saw her running.

You can hear her breathing because she's just chasing down these ICE agents that are, you know, going after these protesters and rioters that are disrupting. That National Guard?

I think that might have been National Guard. That was National Guard, yes.
But that, yeah, that's, I mean, that was a wild scene.

And by the way, you saw Nick Sorter getting assaulted, Kalen getting assaulted. I mean, these reporters are putting themselves in harrowing positions to cover these stories that matter.

I mean, the amount of courage they display on a daily basis is

truly remarkable. And

we are very proud and grateful to them here at Turning Point in the Charlie Kirk Show. Blake, Blake, I think you would make a really good frontlines reporter.

I think it's time to send you out on the field. We got Brandon here.
What do you want to cover? I don't know. I always think of like, I like to read papers and stuff.
That doesn't sound very exciting.

I know Charlie was always like bogus scientific study right there during the break. I mean, you are kind of like the token intellectual that we have around.
The white paper guy.

The white paper guy. So because Charlie was always, we're not a think tank, we're a battle tank.
That was Charlie's line. And then we hired Blake, and then we sort of had to find...

Just kidding. No, I think that's...

This leads into my question, though.

It's inspired by an actual question, which is, as you guys have grown, how do you determine your editorial decisions where you're deploying these now nine reporters across the country?

Well, it's a case-by-case basis. I mean, we're getting leads.

Again, our reporters are embedded into these networks where they're hearing different stories that are about to break or whatever, right? So it just really depends.

You know, we'll look into protests and riot, potential protests, and planned riots online to see how big they're actually going to get based on social media engagement.

You know, we'll go on Reddit, we'll go on Blue Sky. You know, we're looking on X, we're looking on Instagram.
We'll read Blue Sky, so we don't have to. Exactly.
Exactly. Yeah, that was Charlie.

Gruesome. What's that? Gruesome.
I know. It's dark out there.
It'll destroy your soul over time. It really will, man.
Honestly. But simultaneously,

it's so unimpressive, right? Like, you go on there and the content that they're talking about or stories they're talking about. That's an interesting angle.

So when you guys are diving into the underworld, the underbelly of the modern left, you're saying

you sort of realize the emperor has no clothes. You're sort of realizing

that just how unimpressive, as you said, it is. Yeah, I mean, it's the same song over and over again, right?

They have the same talking points. They're not evolving.
They're not changing their tune. They're not thinking outside of their box.
They're not letting anybody poke a hole in their argument.

So they stick in the same place over and over again. And when you see them in the streets protesting, they have the same chant over and over again, right? Like

well, it shows coordination, too, that they're all chanting the same stuff. Yeah, and they're totally planned, right? Like we

see these meetings that are planned where they're teaching all of the protesters the chants. They're teaching them how to not engage with press like us, right?

Or just they have preferred press, and they know you as well. Oh, yeah.
They know who you guys are. They know your pictures.
They have your images. Well, they love Bo.

They love Bo out there because anytime Bo is on the street, you have like five volunteers, right? Volunteers, quote unquote, surrounding you. Bo Diddle.
Yeah. Okay.
Why? Why Bo? Because

his content goes viral. So they know that if they talk to him, they're going to end up looking sort of like a clown.

Wow, that's fascinating.

Yeah, I mean,

what are we doing from a, I mean, there's got to be a lot of stories that you

don't pursue because they, they,

it's just, you can't guarantee the safety of the team, right? Sure. Some of that, I mean, you guys are considering their well-being, obviously.

And then reporters have discretion whether they'll accept the story or if they want to pursue one. Maybe you, you guys have to say, no, no, no, don't do that one.
Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, there's look, my reporters will tell me all the time, like, please let me go do this. And I say, no, just because we need to make sure that A, it's legit and B, you're going to be safe.

But like when Cho and 6'7 Kevin went to those book fairs, they weren't undercover. They were wearing masks.
They had hidden cams on.

So it just, again, it depends. It's case by case basis.

My last question for you is: if we have a lead, if somebody out there in the audience has a lead and they want frontlines to cover it, how did they get in touch with you guys?

You can reach out to us frontlines at tpusa.com. So, just that you have an email from

at tpusa.com.

There's a tip sheet on our turning point website, and you could always contact through X as well. Brandon Dre, thank you so much.
Thank you for having me. You guys are doing amazing work.
Thank you.

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