FH Mini 128 - Listener Roulette, with Hallie Haglund

Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Flop House.

I'm Dan McCoy.

Hey, Dan McCoy, I'm Stuart Wellington.

You know, you guys haven't met me before, but it's time that we shared names as well.

I'm Elliot Kalin, and joining us once again, two weeks in a row by Popular Demand.

Who is it but the star of the show herself, Ali Hacklin?

And what's your song?

Beautiful.

Okay, so, you know, if you're a regular listener, or if not, you know, our main thing is- You're a first-timer.

Our main thing that we do is we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

But every other week.

What movie are we watching today, Dan?

No, no.

That was a wind-up to say that that's not what we're doing this week.

Every other week, we do what we call a Flophouse Mini, a slightly shorter version of the show where we just sort of freestyle it.

And this time, I'm in charge.

Oh, Dan.

My rules.

Jeff, the Danager is here.

Oh, no.

Lawnmower Dan.

Although,

in this episode, am I in charge?

Because I'm going to do a little thing.

I don't know what to believe anymore.

I don't know what's going on.

I'm so lost.

This is a new thing we're going to do.

called uh it's a blue sky roulette over on blue sky where we have a we have a flophouse account we're off the bad uh place.

We are at Blue Sky now for all the

short little things that we post.

Yeah, we're going to be riffing on some skeets here.

Well, I asked

our followers for things that they would like us to talk on, like possible topics that would be good for a mini.

I took the first 20 or so.

I put them in a list.

We're going to do a little roulette.

We're going to pick four at random and,

you know, just chat about these a a little bit.

Uh, so I'm gonna tap my randomizer app.

Oh, yeah, Game Master's in charge.

Yeah, tap that app.

Yeah,

make that happen.

What live-action movies could be better as an animated feature?

Snow White, uh, How to Train Your Dragon, Your Low and Stitch, Beauty and the Beast, The Jungle Book, The Lion King.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Move Costa, The Lion Lion King 2.

That even as an animated film, I think, would have its issues.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Black Cauldron.

No, I think you got the best ones.

I think a lot of people have made the point over the years that

one of the best versions of

a superhero movie we've gotten is The Incredibles because there's certain things that you can do in animation that you can't.

do as well.

Or the Spider-Verse movies.

Yeah, the Spider-Verse movies.

Both of those are wrong, though, because the best superhero movie is still spider-man 2 it's still spider-man 2 but when you look at the average you know the average for those movies i would argue that i think the harry potter movies would be better as animated movies than as live-action movies if only because the live-action movies even the best of them that i've seen at least have a certain cheapness in the look about them like it all looks very um except for part three except even but even parts of part three there's there's parts where i'm like i wish there was either more scale to this or it was like looked darker or i don't know like it like i feel like there's more you can do in an animation to make the magic look cool.

But it would be 2D animation, not CGI.

Hold on a second.

I'm talking about a 2D animated Harry Potter movie, and it's called The Page Master.

Yeah,

it's funny that you say that, Ellie, because

I'm of an age.

I'm old enough that I automatically was thinking about 2D animation, even though...

Even though it is by far the outlier now for it to not be computer animation.

But But there have been, I've seen a number of computer animated movies now that have 2D animated sequences, and there's always something really exciting and really like fun about them.

So there's room for both.

There's room for CGI movies and 2D movies, but that's one that I would think of maybe.

Extremely strange to me that

all the

animation houses were like, well, guesses of the future now.

Toss all the rest of these animators out in the trash.

It was the short-sightedness that we're seeing again of technology can replace people and then finding like, oh, it turns out the technology is actually far more expensive than

the people were.

But there's always the hope that you can replace them with something that will just be a machine that keeps working forever.

But let's move on.

I want to be able to do that.

Yeah,

I do have so much institutional knowledge at that point, too.

Like, that's not just

the people themselves.

It's like the built-up knowledge that they're just like, and now bulldoze it.

Now, I don't want anyone to take this as an endorsement on my part of the Harry Potter stories, which I don't like particularly, but that is a series that I think would function better as animated than live action.

What do you guys think?

What do you guys think?

Well, I've said some things.

I don't know, maybe like John Wick.

Really?

No, that's not true.

But I feel like I'm surprised there isn't like a John Wick animated series.

I mean, I would love to see more just straight-up action done.

in animation.

Like at this point that so many action films have reached a point where, like, physics don't matter.

Like, let's really take it to a world where that kind of feels more interesting than just like faking it in quote-unquote real world.

But Hallie has a pondering pondering book on her.

I mean, you mentioned Barry Riley in the last episode.

No, keep that live action.

Oh, yeah, because you want to see that malck.

Yeah.

Got malcked?

That's Hallie.

No.

I teach you when I say Aaron Burr on that radio contest, but your mouth was full of mouth, so she didn't say it.

Sorry, Hallie, that was disgusting.

No.

Only when you think about it.

Only when you don't think about things, they're rarely as disgusting as when you think about it.

If you don't think about them, then the world is a lot better when you don't think about it.

I was trying to think of, I don't know.

I don't really like animated stuff.

Wow.

So we learned last week you don't like fights, singing

dancing.

Now you don't like animation.

What do you like in movies, Hallie?

What?

Tears.

What do you tears?

Tears.

Tears.

You like a realistic movie about people?

I mean, like,

was it His Three Daughters?

Was that?

That's probably a movie I love.

I watched that movie.

That was great.

Hallie liked that.

I remember Stewart recommended that one time.

Yeah.

Stuart loved it.

That was great.

Oh, it'd be hilarious.

I was trying to think of like, what's the just a movie that would make no sense

in animation, but would be kind of cool.

I was trying to think of like a rom-com or something

that might be fun.

How to lose a guy in 10 days animated.

You know, I was going to say like Hallie likes a realistic movie like Three Men and a Baby because we did that in L.A.

And

she really had a kick.

And so at first I thought she only liked movies with three in the title, Three Daughters, Three Men and a Baby.

But now she says how to lose a guy in 10 days.

So apparently she likes numerals.

As long as there's numbers.

Yeah.

I was also thinking,

would Look Who's Talking be a good animated movie?

And then I was like, hell no, that would take the whole fun out of it.

But it's basically Boss Baby at that point.

Yeah.

No, thank you.

Yeah.

But a big hit.

Hallie could have made boss baby.

You could have made boss baby, Hallie.

Yeah.

I could have made boss baby, but I'm playing.

All right.

Well, let's move on to a different.

I'm going to hit that random.

I'm going to tap that app.

Adap the apps.

Okay.

What do we got here?

Okay, here's a here's a topic.

What movies should be made into video games?

What movies shouldn't?

Damn it.

What kind of game would you pitch if you were hired to adapt Eraser Head?

I think Eraser Head works pretty well.

It's one of those games where you just kind of wander around and creepy things are there, but you're not really, you're not really doing much of it.

No, it's one of those already indie games where like stuff doesn't happen.

Yeah, yeah.

His three daughters, that kind of works as like a game you have to navigate conversations.

Yeah,

his three daughters would be a great side-scrolling game where like beat them up where you're like jumping over like,

I don't know, like boyfriends.

Yeah, you're like, how big is this apartment?

So you choose from which of the three daughters you're going to be.

Each one has a different ability.

Platforming, yeah, you got a platform.

You're just side-scrolling through the apartment the whole time.

Yeah, what are the different abilities?

They have different abilities.

The daughter.

Well, Natasha Leone has that raspy voice.

So that's an ability?

Yes.

That's why.

What does it do?

Is there gameplay?

Elizabeth Alton is yoga.

Yeah.

Well, she is yoga.

So she's like Dalcon to me.

She's like Dalcon.

She can stretch.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She's carrying Koon super uptight.

But she makes a salad, right?

So that's something.

She does make a salad.

That is something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So she's like, Natasha Leone smokes weed outside.

That's

part of it.

I feel like she likes

a wine bottle.

She's like breaking bottles and

sticking them in your face.

I feel like I understand the bonus rounds better than the actual gameplay, where with Natasha Leone, it's like, how many puffs can you take on this

before you get told by the security guy that you got to stop because you can't get outside?

With Carrie Koon, it's like

you got to chop up the salad really fast, you know, in a certain amount of time.

It's like the Karate Kid video game where you had to catch flies with chopsticks for the bonus round.

Or Street Fighter when you're breaking that car.

Or like in Jaws where you have to ram Jaws with the front of your ship after you shock him out of the water.

And with that with Elizabeth Elson, it's like moving between yoga positions, maybe quickly, you know.

Yeah, this is pretty good.

Still haven't seen the movie, but I assume this is all great stuff.

And this is pretty, I mean,

you got it right now.

You pretty much have found it.

And the end boss is the dad.

The end boss of the game is you have to defeat the dead.

Yeah.

Yeah, of course.

And he rises up.

He's basically dead.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, it's just like I was just playing Sekaro where you have to fight your dad a couple times and he's such an asshole, but you beat him, and he like finally respects you.

It's great.

What a camera, okay.

Sakaro, Sekaro, yeah, yeah, you're the one-armed wolf, and he throws poison on you, and you're like, What the hell, dad?

But that's all that, you know, that's the double-edged sword of shinobi.

You know what I mean?

I don't, I don't know what you mean at all.

Do you guys, did you guys ever watch the show Terrace House?

Is a like a job?

I remember hearing about it, but I didn't see it.

I tried to watch it because uh, our uh, our network mates

had a podcast.

Griffin McElroy loved that show.

And I'm like, oh, that sounds interesting.

And then I immediately was like, this is not for me.

But you watched it?

I loved it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What's the premise of Terrace House for those of us who aren't familiar?

It's sort of like Big Brother, except they can leave.

It's just like a bunch of people living in a house.

Well, it's like the real world.

People stop acting polite and start getting real.

Except they are very polite.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You stop acting polite and start getting real Japan.

It is a big town.

Yeah.

They get slightly less polite.

Yeah.

No, they're like, but it's so, I mean, it ended horribly.

There was like an online bullying thing that led to a person's suicide.

It's terrible.

And so I wish you told us that before we started making fun of it.

It was awful.

And so they stopped the show.

But until then, it's like very bizarre that that happened with this show because it's so, it's like.

So relaxing.

Everybody is so nice to each other.

Like the things that they talk about are actually,

they're actually like meaningful conversations about like, this is,

I don't want to disappoint my parents by choosing this career path, but this is my passion.

I want to make comics.

And

so I was thinking that would be a really fun video game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But

what type of game?

What do you do as the player?

What's that?

Just like sit around and talk.

I love that.

There aren't enough video games like that.

I mean, there's going to be a lot more, considering Mark Zuckerberg the other day was like, people don't have enough friends, but we can bet as AI can fill that role.

And it's like, this is the worst world.

We're living in the

bad world.

Yeah, you can just talk to an imaginary person who might slowly, you know, ruin your mental health possibly.

And his end is extracting information from you so that we can sell you to advertisers.

You know, it's the, there's no, there's no good side to that.

There's no good side to, I get, you know what?

There is one good side.

I could see, um, except that it would inevitably be used to scam them, like the lonely elderly.

You know, I could see them having their digital friends, but you should get your imaginary friends friends the old-fashioned way through podcasting.

I remember

my old roommate, Brian Chan, once told me about a

they were, he's a video game guy, and they were trying to, he was reading a thing about people

trying to video game guy like Solid Snake or Mario.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, he's a Mario.

Little Mac.

He's a Waluigi.

He's a gooey.

But he was talking about years ago about this video game designer was talking about

his idea for a game for the elderly, which was you would give them like a did, like an electronic pet, like a robot cat or dog.

And when it was only them and the old person around, it would start to talk to them, but it wouldn't talk to them when there were other people around and start to tell them to go to places.

And when they would go to that place, other old people with robot pets would be led to that place too, and then you'd make friends in real life.

You'd kind of be tricked by your sneaky pet into going to a place where you could make a friend in real life.

Shan's so horrifying, and the sudden twist into like kind of being nice surprised me.

And I feel like this is kind of like that, except instead of saying go to this other place and meet these people, it's saying, give me your money

and it'll be great.

Yeah.

It's a bad reason.

Find third spaces, people.

Go to one of Stewart's bars.

Yes, please.

Go to my bars.

So to make a long story short, that my Dinner with Andre video game from The Simpsons always wanted to play that.

Okay.

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How do you approach jerkborg?

strikes again yeah i had some jerkborg how do you approach getting into a new realm of pop culture like a fantasy series genre of music era of movies etc how do you start how do you expand how do you decide what's next what's next i mean i don't i don't i don't usually make a plan although like i mean sometimes that squares

Well,

but it's like, you know, if you're getting into something, it's like an organic process, right?

You're like, you walk, you see something that sparks your interest, you encounter one piece of this like type of art.

And then you're like, okay, like, let me follow this rabbit hole.

And, and then that involves, I don't know, like googling like, oh, what, what's good in this?

What are the best, uh, what are the best things

in this?

Like, the experts, uh, what do they say?

You know, like, I don't know.

I was saying to a friend recently, every once in a while, I'm like, I'm going to get into old science fiction novels but then my you've been trying to do that for a while yeah yeah my fugue state my adhd fugue state that i'm in then dissipates and i don't do it but i asked elliot because i'm like who knows about this elliot elliot kalian so that's my thing i ask elliot yeah i'm yeah well like asking a friend who is a little more has a little more background in the area i think is a pretty natural uh way to start Yeah, I think there's a, something to avoid, and this is something I used to fall into and I'm trying not to anymore, is confusing getting into a thing with mastering it and knowing everything about it and being really comprehensive.

And I feel like I used to be one of these people who it's like, I really like this one book by this writer.

I'm now going to read every single book that that writer wrote.

So I'll have read their entire bibliography, or I need to know everything about this kinds of movie.

And I find I enjoy it more when I just, like dancing, I kind of let things happen a little more organically and I don't feel like I need to know everything.

Like I love,

as people know, listen to this, I love Check New Wave films and I'm constantly discovering new ones that I didn't know anything about.

And there was a time in my life when I would be frustrated by that.

And now I'm trying to feel more like, oh, no, okay, I don't need to, I don't need to have seen every single one of these movies to be a fan of it.

And I can just discover them.

And if I discover a new one, I don't have to immediately make that the top priority to check it off my list.

But in general, I like to,

yeah, if I, if there's a thing that I like, then I'll look out another thing like it, or I'll ask somebody, what's another one of these?

And I found that there's one, the only algorithm that works for me in doing this kind of thing is if I like, if there's a new kind of music that I'm not familiar with or music that's new to me, that listening to it on YouTube tends to bring me more things that I like that aren't even necessarily the same as that, but are kind of similar.

That's the one algorithm that works for me is YouTube's music algorithm.

But everything else is just a matter of like trying to stumble on things.

You know, if I, if I'm in a, I love to go to used bookstores and I always look at their science fiction section and I always want to buy a couple science fiction paperbacks that I know nothing about.

And that's opened up a lot for me in that world, you know, where it's like, oh, I never even heard of this thing.

Let me try it.

What's this cover about?

This looks, this is nuts.

All right, I'll try it.

It's good.

So, you know, just stumble, letting yourself stumble on stuff rather than actively pursuing it, feeling like you need to become a master of it.

You know, yeah, that used to be my, I mean, back in the video store days, that used to be arguably one of my favorite things to do with friends.

We would go in and we would go through the horror movie section and try and find the ones with the craziest covers that we had not seen yet.

And then we would rent like a stack of a bunch of them, stay up all night drinking Mountain Dew, smoking weed, watching these movies.

And it was great.

That's time of my life right there.

Pizza rolls.

Hell yeah.

That's Stuart's tip is if you're trying to get into something, pizza rolls, get the pizza rolls, baby.

Stuart, that script that I just sent you, I wrote in some pizza rolls in there.

I'm now very excited about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't wait to bite into it.

I'm the same way.

I'm going to say real quick, I'm also the same way where I have a tendency to like rabbit hole myself.

And I get in a little, like, I have a tendency to get in too deep.

And I've been trying to get better about especially if I find something that I like to not rush and try and watch or read all the things by that person or in that vein because it is fun to have those things later on when I'm like no I'm in the mood to watch this super sad thing that I know I'm going to connect with but I don't need to force that into every like immediacy you know what I mean this is a choice I made with the with the novels of itlo calvino where I was like yeah yeah I was like there's only a limited number of these I really love them I'm gonna hold off and not not read them all in a row.

And I'm going to kind of space them out for myself so that I have more to discover as I get older.

And I'm probably going to enjoy it more as I'm older and I understand it more.

So

I would say if you have to make a plan, you're not that into it to begin with.

No.

That's probably a good point.

Like, I, because I'm trying to think, I mean,

it's usually not

a problem for me to

embed myself with something.

Like when I, it's just like whenever, for example, one of my recent passions has been, I've been, I took my kid to the Minecraft movie.

Historically, I've sort of hated Jack Black, but all of a sudden I was like, wait a second, I love this guy.

He just wants to have a good time.

He just wants to spread joy.

And you know what I'm looking for?

I'm looking for some joy in my life.

So I just started, I realized there are so many Jack Black movies I've never seen.

I mean,

I love Nacho Libre, once famously once watched Nacho Libre twice in a row on an airplane.

But

everybody knows that about me.

It's on the back of a DVD book.

It's that, and then I went to the same high school as Don Cheadle.

Everybody knows that.

Everyone knows that.

Yeah.

These are both in the Dictionary of Literary Anecdotes.

Yeah.

Did you guys hang out a lot?

You and Don Cheadle?

No, not at the same time.

Yeah.

But you hung out at the same school at different times.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

walked into my classroom and I would sniff the air and say, Don Scheidel was here.

I will say that like, you know, like when you say no plan, like I like making lists for myself just because I know I'll forget stuff otherwise.

But I'm trying to get better at like once I have those lists, not actually acting on it.

No, no, the opposite, not forcing it or not being like, sometimes I'll be like, well, I want to watch something.

I'm not going to get to this thing unless I make a point of it.

That can be fine, but I also think it's better if you're actually conscious of like, what mood am I in right now?

Like, what am I receptive to?

Because if you're like, even if you might like something at a different time, if you're forcing it, it's not going to be good.

I'm not going to watch this serious movie.

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There is no audiobook version, but like all children's picture books, it is made to be read aloud.

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I would love it.

I think that I'm sure.

I think I have a genise

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Does she have to read any French then to do thankfully she does not.

No, not for this one.

Unless it's the French edition, which maybe

she did yeah she should yeah there was a french edition of forts meet horse meat's dog my first children's picture book so who knows maybe for this maybe a quebecois version yeah maybe

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let us uh return uh to the uh questions from listeners um i'm gonna tap that app and uh

every time you say it i get less comfortable with it yeah that's the point dan is putting it on the glass by which he means his finger on the glass screen of the phone doing what his body wants what makes a good movie fight scene does it have to be bloody does it need weapons what are some of your

favorite fight scenes well as uh as somebody who doesn't like fight scenes maybe it's a mikey likes it sort of situation where if hallie says that there's a fight scene that is her favorite then we know it's a good movie i can tell you i know exactly what i would say I would say crouching tiger hidden dragon.

Oh.

And

I think it was because it was the first time I saw a fight scene where like the woman was doing a lot of the fighting.

And I think I finally connected with.

So you need to see a little movie called Yes, Madam.

Okay.

Another Michelle Yeo banger of a movie, which does a lot of fighting.

At least look up the big fight scene at the end on YouTube.

It's awesome.

Erin Cynthia Rothrock.

Oh, yeah.

Cynthia Rothrock does a lot of great fighting in that movie, too.

I would say that there are a few things for me.

I like a fight scene where the effort is,

you know, you could see the effort.

Like, I like the realism of seeing people get tired, or like, you need a little movie called Yes, Madam.

Feel like they're hurt.

You know, like, we've talked about how,

you know, Harrison Ford is good in movies because it looks like when he gets punched, he does not like it.

Or I, you know, like the sword fighting scene in Rob Roy is great because you can see how tired they get at that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like that.

I like a sequence that takes advantage of where the sequence happens.

You know, like again.

Environmental elements.

Yeah.

Whether it be like you're in a confined space like that hammer fight or if it's like Jackie Chan grabbing whatever's around to use in his fight scene.

I want a sequence.

You know an Ikea hates to see him coming.

I want a sequence to build.

I don't like a fight scene that, I mean, like, these aren't really fight scenes, but I don't like a scene where it's just like, oh, people are shooting at each other or whatever.

And it's just like, I'm not excited by this.

You know, great, great.

They're ducking behind things.

You know,

I like it when they're really bad, too.

Like in the Irishman.

Remember, there's this part in The Irishman where Robert De Niro is like kicking people, and it's so obviously like

that.

I love it.

That's the best.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think I'm in with all these.

I like it when the action is like legible, like you understand what's happening.

I also, one of the things that when you watch, um

when you watch like good uh like hong kong action movies is you see how the action has been edited with a specific rhythm so that like because you'll see people like cut an action scene together with like um like a dance song and you're like oh shit this works so well like the uh the throne room scene in uh the last jedi kept people kept editing different songs like toxic and other things and it works so well because it's been edited with a specific rhythm rhythm and beat.

And

that's what makes it work.

All those things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that

I agree with everything you guys are saying

and everything you're saying, Hallie, when it's bad, it's good sometimes too, when they don't know what they're doing.

I think the

thing that I like is to see, and again,

and in Hong Kong martial arts movies are the best often at these, are where this fight is clearly choreographed and edited for a purpose, but does not, but it is performed in a way that does not feel extra choreographed.

And I feel like in American action movies, there's often a lot of like very

precise blocking and very precise like, this does this and that does this and this is this and whoa.

And it, but it comes off often as a, it comes off as a as a dance that has been very heavily choreographed as opposed to someone in the moment is making these choices to to block or to punch or whatever.

And it's, it's a performance thing.

You know, the best kind of like stunt fight performers, I feel like they're able to get it across in a way where, just as with acting in general, it feels like a choice being made in the moment rather than here is something that we really blocked the hell out of.

And like you look at

the, there's a different kind of fight scene, but like the Errol Flynn sword fighting scenes in The Adventures of Robin Hood or Captain Blood.

And it has that feeling to me where clearly this was choreographed.

Like they are not just making up fencing moves, especially in Adventures of Robin Hood, where they're going upstairs while they're doing it, you know, things like that.

But it feels like the

performers are making these choices in the moment rather than just kind of hitting the marks that they need to.

And sometimes when I see American action movies, I'm like, this is a really cool choreographed scene, but it feels like I'm watching a, it feels like everybody's in on it.

You know, they are, this person is not taking the swing so that they think they're going to hit them.

They're taking the swing so that it can be blocked.

And it's a, you know, even even a even a great choreographed fight scene, it needs that extra little bit of performance, you know?

Yeah.

And that, that, all, that folds in with taking advantage of the environment and looking the people looking like they they're when they get hurt at when they get hit it hurts and things like that.

And you know, that's what I'd say.

Let's see what the randomizer has for us next.

Oh, 18.

Well, well,

don't ever want to hear that.

No, I don't know.

I even realized

after I realized that.

It looks like this question is barely legal.

That sounds like an age of consent thing.

I just meant to make a joke about.

You chose the wrong number.

There's two numbers, Dan, that you can't do do that joke with, and 18 is one of them.

The other, of course, being 69.

Yeah.

But what do we got here?

What pandering to 80s kids' IP is still untapped by Hollywood that you would like to see tapped?

Oh, that became a harder question when you said that you would like to see tapped.

Yeah.

Because I'll tell you what IP has yet to be tapped, but they've been trying.

Thundercats, but I don't care about it, and I don't necessarily want to see it.

Yeah.

80s IP.

I mean, like, I'm kind of surprised

there hasn't been another Goonies thing.

I'm sure they've been trying to make another Goonies thing.

I bet that's true.

But that feels like a natural,

like it ticks, like with like Stranger Things and all that stuff, like leaning into kids going on adventures.

I'm just surprised there hasn't been another.

I don't know if I'm looking for it.

I mean, to be honest, this is

that reminds, makes me think of Monster Squad, which already is an IP use thing originally, you know, but the i the they've had so much trouble trying to figure out how to use the universal monsters and maybe to uh and i don't think monster squad was not a universal approved thing right or was it i can't remember dan it wasn't because that's why the tom noon like uh you know it doesn't look like the classic uh frankenstein yeah you know universal and their gilman has a different design right but the like uh the

But I think but I could see like maybe that's the way into bringing those characters back is to do like a new kind of monster squad type thing.

I don't know.

And have Universal do it so you can use the act, use the designs that people know so well.

But I know, Hallie, what about you?

I feel like your 80s culture frame of reference is going to be different than R3s.

So I'm curious what you're thinking.

Like Popples, something like that?

Mad Balls.

I did like...

No.

Kid Sister.

Kid Sister.

My buddy and Kid Sister.

Yeah, those are songs that are very popular with my younger son that I'll sing to him while pushing him on a swing.

And he thinks they're hilarious, and I don't know why.

Do you remember the a tisket, a tasket, the

play-doh flower basket?

Oh, no, I don't remember.

Oh, yeah.

Do you sing?

Wiggles in, jiggles in, feels so real.

It's my water, baby.

I didn't remember that one.

I didn't remember that one.

Daddy, you sing skip to Malou McNugget.

I think I mentioned last episode the ring pop commercial.

I do a lot.

You can wear a ring around your finger.

Ring pop.

It's a juicy jewel of flavor.

Ring pop.

I do that a lot.

I don't remember that one.

I was thinking of James Bond Jr.

Do you guys remember James Brun?

James Bond Jr.

chases

around the world.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the Bond series, again, is another one that kind of needs a refresher.

Yeah.

Maybe James Bond Jr.

is the way to do it, where it's his nephew who has the same name of him as a junior.

Dan, was he the nephew?

Do you know?

He was the nephew.

He was not actually a junior.

It's a very weird thing.

I have to assume it was done as James Bond's son originally, and they were like, it kind of hurts the James Bond character if

he has a fan.

I mean, he must have a son somewhere.

Of course he's got a son.

He has canonics.

Yeah.

I'm scrolling through a bunch of stuff because I like...

This is a hard question because most of it's already been done or something I have no interest in at all.

Well, you were talking about that Cowboys and Moo Mesa revival that you want to read.

Snorks.

There's 13 episodes of a cartoon.

Have you heard of this called Laser Tag Academy?

I don't know what that is, but maybe that's

pretty much the new title, Dan.

Yeah, I don't know what else to do.

They haven't redone.

Or maybe they have, like, I feel like Strawberry Shortcake and like Rainbow Bright, I was hard into.

Have they not redone those?

They haven't.

What's weird about the, I don't remember about Rainbow Bright, but Strawberry Shortcake was one of the first ones that I can think of where it was not like, oh, we have this character and we're creating her for a show.

It was like, this is a character who shows up on greeting cards and people love her.

So we've got to find some way to do a television show around her.

Well, they did a good job.

I love it.

Which is now, I think, pretty much like half of what is being made into movies these days, where it's like, this character who appears on a the cheetah, the cheeto's cheetah, how do we create this world?

What's his story?

What if they made a live-action Kathy movie?

To be honest, they should have done a live-action Kathy sitcom at some point.

I wonder if they ever tried.

That would have been a great idea.

Kaz, have you heard of this?

We call it Rude Dog and the Dweebs.

No, not familiar.

Sounds like your podcast.

1989.

Ladies know what she's talking about.

Saturday morning cartoon

developed by Sun Sportswear based on the Rude Dog character created by Brad McMahon, focused, featured in clothes advertising.

You know what?

I think I might remember the bumpers that they did, like the commercial bumpers that came from that show.

Yeah.

No, but I don't remember the show itself.

I'd like a TV show based on the Big Johnson t-shirt franchise.

We've talked about that.

It would have to be on late-night TV, though, you know, not for little kids.

Okay.

I think we cracked it.

Yeah, I remember Rude Dog.

I'm looking at it now.

I remember this character.

Yeah.

Let's get one last turn of the roulette wheel here.

No, we did that one already.

That one too.

I think the answer we came up with was, please don't do any more.

Stop it.

As someone who's being directly pandered to i'm tired of it as someone who's as someone who's working currently on a ghostbusters project i would say after mine let's stop let's do this project and then no more elliotts is great but others are bad yeah exactly so last question horror movies you could survive the longest in

and i necto key new york

oh stewart we're all surviving in that one that's that's the horror movie we all live in yeah yeah i feel like there's a whole genre of movies where it's just like you just don't have to do the thing that triggers stuff that i would survive very much so i feel like if you don't make a wish then i feel like the wish master is not really interested in going after

pretty persuasive dude i guess so

i mean i think i could be persuaded to make a wish because like there i can see the more direct but if they're like play this creepy game i'm like no thank you i think i could do it i'm built different i don't want to

uh Yeah, like the substance, I would just simply maintain the balance.

Oh, yeah.

It's that easy.

Yeah.

Videodrome, Drome.

I would just not watch that show at all.

Not watch that show.

It does.

That show did not seem that

engrossing to me.

Not that intriguing.

Freddy Krueger.

He's trapped in my dreams, bitch.

No, that's one I think that you would not.

I think that's pretty conclusively a thing that's hard to avoid getting killed by Samara Klein's out of that TV.

I'm beating her ass down.

I don't care.

I think that's happening.

Now you're getting closer and closer to the Wahlberg, if I was on the plane, 9-11 wouldn't have happened type of personality.

Yeah.

See a horror movie that I could survive.

Yeah, I think anything where you have to make it, where, like, I'm not, I don't feel the need to solve the lament configuration, you know, that kind of stuff.

Like, I don't, I don't, I think there's a lot of like,

I totally would and die.

I would be ripped to shreds.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, the, uh, but anything where it's a,

um, I think it's something like Freddy Krueger, where he's just coming after you and you don't have a choice in the matter, or as opposed to, oh, you did this thing and now you've got to be punished.

I don't do that much.

Yeah, like I'd get smoked by an it follows.

Like it would just turn me into a little pretzel.

So see, that's the thing, that's the thing where it follows, I'm pretty safe from.

I think it's unlikely that I'm going to find myself having sex with somebody whose sexual history I'm not aware of and don't know they're being followed by an it, you know.

So now an if follows, that's a bigger problem.

I have two children and two children in my house.

If either of them has an if and that if wants to kill me, I don't believe there's anything I can do.

What about Candyman?

You guys think Candyman will get you?

Oh, yeah, that's another one.

I would not, you know, there's no point.

And there's no point in which I'd be like, yeah, I gotta keep saying candyman.

Let me keep saying this.

Yeah, when anything where the monster gets you because you have been dared into doing a thing, it's like, yeah, I think I'm just probably not gonna be able to do it.

I think those are the worst ones for me.

I feel like I'm dead immediately.

You gotta feel folded.

But I feel like in like a zombie movie, I'd be super good at that, right?

I'm just like, really,

like, I'm kind of a survivalist type, you know?

I'm just,

that's what I always thought about you.

How you love horror.

We always have you on and shock tober.

What do you, is there one that you

think you'd be good at?

I mean, and yeah, I mean, I feel like I would be into, I feel like I wouldn't be scared.

I'd just be happy to be there.

So, you know, anything with ghosts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If you were Nicole Kidman's character and the others, you'd be like, this is great.

This is wonderful.

We have ghosts in the house.

I haven't finished it yet.

I'm about to go finish it.

I think 10 minutes left in the movie.

Let me go see it.

Oh, oh, wait a minute.

uh, I feel like child's play.

I think, just like Chucky and I would get along.

Like, I think we would like,

right?

I think he would just want to hang out with you.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

He'd kill you eventually, but you'd have a good time along the way.

Yeah, I'm fine with that.

I think I would not.

I think, in like a substance-type situation, I would not, I would not thrive.

I would definitely push the limits of that.

I would want to be hot as long as I could.

Yeah.

Well,

we did it.

We survived.

We survived the gamblers.

Answer some questions.

Yeah, that's what we did.

They did do that.

Thanks for answering that question.

And

thank you to Hallie for sticking around and being on the biz.

Yet another episode of this dumb show.

Check out

the sub stack.

Check it out.

What's it called, Dan?

That hurt my feelings.

Is that what it is?

Hurts.

That hurts my feelings.

That hurts my feelings.

I'm sorry.

I forgot the S.

I'm sorry.

Okay, I guess I know the subject of next week's essay.

My friend forgot the name of my sub stack and it hurt my feelings.

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He produces the show.

You can find him under the name Howell Dotty all over the world.

You can find him on the run from the allegations under the name Howell Dotty.

Yeah.

Just kidding.

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And thank you, last of all, but most of all, to you, the listener.

Thank you for keeping us doing this thing.

Without you, there wouldn't be much point.

So we appreciate it.

But for the flop house, which is the titular thing that I was talking about, I've been Dan McCall.

Hey, Dan, is there a producer staying behind me just going, stretch, stretch, extend?

The next podcast is running, hey, just keep it going.

Now who's stretching?

And of course, look who's stretching now.

Oh, man.

It's Mr.

Fantastic.

Yeah.

In the upcoming movie, Fantastic Four, first step.

Seems like an unnecessary first step.

First steps.

First steps.

So this is about when they were babies and there's still a need to walk.

Exactly.

Maybe it's Galactus who's taking his first steps on Earth.

Who knows?

Anyway, I've been Dave McCloy.

Yeah, we haven't watched the movie yet.

It's not out yet.

My name is Stuart Lenton Wellington.

And I am here to say I love podcasting every way.

I'm Elliot Charles Kalin.

I feel like now the bid is just

talking as long as possible, that I'm instead going to throw it to our guest for today, Hallie Susan Hagland.

You didn't know that?

No.

They used to call me Hallie Sue when I was little.

Aw.

Yep.

So

you're fucking pipes,

America.

I guess deal with that.

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