Episode 836 | "Alaska To Nebraska"

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You better shave up

Because she needs a man.

And then she got the grease on.

Mel got a leather jacket in the summer, girl.

Who are you trying to address?

It's too hot.

It is too hot for a love jacket, Mel.

Okay, listen.

I think it's fine.

It looks nice, though.

Thank you, but oftentimes the air conditioning in here gets a little

bit more.

I agree with Mel.

Parks and everybody listen to me.

The sneakers, she's not dressing herself.

Hey, yo, Mark,

she's not dressing herself.

She puts the, whoever matches her, they put it on.

She takes a picture and she tags them.

I caught her in real time.

You so did not.

When did I do something like that?

Them fucking fancy ass Florida sneakers when a nigga dressed you with that motherfucking outfit.

Excuse my language.

Not dressed?

Nobody dressed me.

Let them know you got them.

You got them.

Joe can't stop me.

Nobody dressed me.

I guess.

Nobody dressed mail flip.

Well, she got them.

She didn't go buy those, boy?

I absolutely did.

Would you like to check my purchases, my credit card purchases?

I, for one, don't think that we should send her mail right now.

I think I agree.

It's okay.

I'm good with that.

Even though I did see your girl last night.

Damn, man.

I want to center mail now.

I announced shit.

Too quick.

Too soon.

You getting centered.

It's unfortunate.

She was lit last night?

I was chilling last night.

I was chilling last night.

Got the shades off.

Yo, I got to stop sleeping on dude now, too.

Hold up.

Hey, I see why you're chasing him around.

He brought him out?

Hey, hey.

LaRoy said it, Peck.

I can't lie to you.

I ain't no hater.

I'm going to give it to you like it is.

We got to stop sleeping on home, boy.

All right, shit.

We got to stop sleeping on homeboy.

Leroy, shout out, bro.

We'll talk about it, bud.

Yeah, I was shocked.

I didn't know.

I didn't know.

I don't watch that shit.

Watch no fucking fire truck show.

What that show was about?

The Chicago PD.

That's the fire truck.

That's the fire truck.

That's the old fire part.

I was watching it.

No, they got Chicago PD, Chicago Fire.

Chicago Fire.

All of them dope.

They had Chicago Belt.

Are they better than Bond albums?

I don't know.

Bond albums don't just tell me.

Don't paint the picture for me.

From the other side.

From the other side.

Oh.

That's crazy.

Mel had the patent leather pants on.

I did not.

I had a patent leather skirt on.

That might not help the case.

I mean, what?

It was, everybody was, you know, the dress code was

I didn't know that.

I didn't know that.

I came in with my little pajama sweatsuit.

You got the call this weekend, didn't you?

You got the call this weekend.

What you mean?

Yo, you know, you've been going a little hard.

She gave me that call.

She used to give it to me, too, boy.

Ignore that.

Ignore that, dude.

Mark, Mel.

Let me get Mark.

This nigga said.

Oh, yep, I agree with Mel.

I agree with Mel.

This nigga said, I agree with Mel 77 times.

And I know how the call starts.

You got to call.

I didn't get.

People like, hello, Mel.

She started to do that big breath.

So stupid.

You got the call?

I did not get a call.

I got a call.

You might have got to go.

We'll know in about 20 minutes.

I got to start talking to you this morning.

Oh,

in person.

I got the in-person.

The face-to-face.

Yeah.

Damn, man.

You can't impress people.

I didn't impress.

I'm joking.

I'm joking.

No, man.

I just feel like Mel needs support up here, and I don't think she gets supported.

You feel like Melissa support.

I always support Mel.

Oh, yeah.

Staying with Mel.

You didn't get the E in two hours.

And nobody else, huh?

Two hours?

Two hours?

What's the call?

There's no call.

Hey, if you got the E in with Mel call, nigga, your whole attitude would be different.

You'd be like,

Christopher Reeves.

I'm sorry.

Jesus.

Stupid.

I'm in my bag today.

What you can?

Fox.

Yeah.

Oh, that's good.

funny.

His family be listening, though.

Absolute.

Christopher Reed's family.

As soon as you say something about somebody up here, their family is listening.

Their family sitting right over and just going, motherfucking Michael J.

Fox.

You can't even make no more.

You can't make no jokes.

Cat.

He's right.

He joked Michael.

I used to see.

He did.

Who?

Michael J.

Fox?

Yeah.

I asked him if he was going to do the mannequin challenge.

And he responded back and said, shaking my head.

I mean, was he being funny?

Of course he was.

He's my funny thing.

He makes fun about that all the time.

Okay, okay.

I trust his wit.

Okay.

That's good shit.

But why would you tweet that guy now?

It's better than the other one I had in mind.

No.

What was it?

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Okay.

All right.

Do you know what it is, Mark?

No, but whatever it is, if it's worse than that, right?

It was worse.

You can't make fun of niggas when they're sick, right?

I mean, it's not.

You're not supposed to do that.

Unless they start it.

Unless y'all are friends and you know it's okay.

It's poor tape.

He doesn't.

Unless they cut you off in traffic.

And they don't have tense.

So you looking at him looking.

Hey, you fucking

motherfucker.

You cannot say it.

No, we bringing that back.

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

I saw a guy yesterday.

Yeah.

No, so

I was in Houston and it was a talent show.

And in between, in the middle of the talent show, they had a break.

And the DJ, I videotaped it.

Mark, I think I would edit all of this on work.

Oh, okay, you know, I leave it alone.

No, no, no, no.

I got a question.

The DJ started playing this music, and

he got off.

He took off his goggles and his helmet.

He goes to the middle of the floor and says, I want the dance.

And naturally, I took out my video camera.

Can I see it?

Yeah, I'll send it to you.

Thank you.

No, you definitely can't record them.

Can't do it.

You can do it.

You just can't post it.

It goes against your

ethnic immortals, bro.

No, but the crazy thing is, he starts getting it.

He had moves.

He moved.

They have a special power for when you recording them.

They know.

So then they start cutting the rug.

They know when it's a special sense they got.

He got.

You ain't never been in the party and niggas start getting it?

No, no.

I'm sorry, Parks.

Let's think of another word to say, because this is a good topic.

The different guy.

Special.

You ain't never been to the party and the different niggas start busting his moves.

He was practicing in the room.

And then it'd be a different girl, too.

You start shouting her, go ahead, go ahead,

go ahead, he's super mom.

I forget it.

I'm showing it to ice right now.

I did actually once have that in a note.

What?

I was at a wedding once, and they brought out a

disabled individual.

That's not appropriate either.

Okay.

Okay.

Like on the dance floor.

Them niggas got radios, nigga.

They listening.

Shut up.

I'm down with it.

They got something.

What they got.

You know you are.

They always got them headphones.

Freeze, what you just said, Freeze?

You can make sick jokes.

I just heard you.

Yeah, we know you're down with them.

Yeah, but

thank you, Flip, for saying something.

Yeah, real quick.

Parks.

I've lost my train of thought.

I'm sorry if it's morally

if it's right.

It's wrong.

It seems a little, bill.

It seems a little foul.

Yeah, I think so.

I'm sorry, Flip.

Don't be my niggas.

You ever go dap him after the dance?

He's jumping dap you.

You're right.

Y'all don't have enough

discourse discourse with the community.

Or enough cooth not to use all of the wrong words so we can have the conversation.

Because it is a good conversation.

What is the right word now?

Handy capable.

That can't be the right word.

That can't be right.

I think.

That was a freestyle?

Or you did it?

For real.

I am serious, yes.

Because she'd be right about these shits.

Yeah, I lost sense.

Anybody know, I'd be mad.

Or someone who mentally be laughing at her.

She'd be deadass.

Well, I mean, I believe that

that would also be considered a handy cap, a special needs, exactly.

So, handy capable.

So, you're mentally handy-capable, you're saying the person would say.

Yeah.

It seems that's, yeah, I can't do that.

It's too wordy.

The term handy-capable is generally considered an outdated and often offensive euphorism for disabled.

It's hard to keep up with.

Which is also

the term should be intellectual disability.

That's what I thought of.

Okay, there we go.

All right.

So, I heard handy capable in the 80s on different strokes.

It's hard to keep up.

Okay, Okay, they develop a new term that is PC and appropriate every five minutes.

I vote.

They say this whole pod outside of Mark is intellectually disabled.

That sounds like it applies.

We need a different term.

I'll fuck with them niggas up there, Corby Down the Street.

Intellectually disabled.

That's too many syllables for you to even think you could get off in front of me.

I ain't gonna hold you.

Something gotta happen.

All right, I found some little take that calls people pussies, and I totally agree.

So I'm playing it.

A take has never hit me harder.

Let's see.

Where is this take?

Mel, you be in my phone, you be at my computer.

You break all types of privacy rules.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Anyway,

how it's happened, but I'll give you my take on it, right?

We've never talked about mental health more before yet somehow

we've become weaker because instead of building emotional strength, we've built a culture that rewards emotional fragility.

We've made it normal to break down over minor inconveniences.

We've convinced people that if something makes them uncomfortable, it must be harmful.

We've created a world where feelings aren't just acknowledged.

They're treated like the absolute truth.

And we know that feelings are not facts.

And here's what that looks like in real life.

discomfort is mistaken for danger if a conversation makes you uneasy it must be toxic if a person challenges you they must be unsafe if a situation

it must be harming you boundaries are also being used as walls instead of learning how to have difficult conversations we shut people out completely instead of addressing issues we disappear and call it self-preservation or I'm protecting my peace or my mental health.

Struggle is now being labeled as crisis, as a crisis.

We've also blurred the lines between real hardship and normal life challenges.

And instead of navigating stress, we call everything overwhelming.

Instead of working through difficulties, we assume that we're just burnt out.

We protect feelings over growth.

And instead of asking, what is this teaching me?

We ask, how do I make this stop?

Instead of allowing emotions to come and go, we obsess over them like they define us.

We've created a mindset where people believe that emotions should be protected instead of processed life isn't going to tiptoe around you the world isn't going to adjust itself to your emotional need

oh first verse

what what'd you say mark

say it could we we'll fight about it later we'll fight later

you find that harmful huh

i felt unsafe

Mike, check, mic, check.

One, two, one, two.

I'm on that dope again, I'm on that flow again.

Switch out the flow again, yeah.

Can't get caught, gotta get paid.

King in the streets, I'm young nigga, made spring on the crowd.

Take to the break, they having problems on sipping the bag.

Everybody on vacation right now.

Piss on your casket, shit that you brought.

Do you something nasty, roll you in a glock?

Bitch, get graphic, flip me in the car.

Wherever you might be listening from,

shout out to the subgroups and the A-listeners.

Whole Jersey, whole New York City.

Everybody in the DMV, everybody in the Carolinas.

Boston, what up though?

Everybody outside right now, everybody inside.

Everybody on at work right now.

The nine to five with the entrepreneurs and all that.

I go in the jungle and they got a coat.

I bet I come out with a me.

I bet I miss shit for the family.

Cause this shit bigger than me.

Color stones in my affinity link.

And then the factory remote piece.

I call him Twig, could that be my brother?

We got the same roller, he matchin' me.

Nah, I'm for real.

Water on me, like the sun of the sea.

Rest in peace, take on.

Rest in peace, bad stay gone.

Nigga, take on me, no funky.

Hey, baby, at the crowd, watch right now.

What up, what up, what up, what up?

I was outside just sucking narcotics.

Play Damn in that stick, nigga, made one wrong movie, just poppy.

Diamonds be dancing like Bobby, they dance.

Don't touch a dick like it get cocky, don't touch it shroom and GC depart, we get Gucci gon' trend on the top, keep trending.

The way I pull up, I'ma pop it, and none of these niggas gon' stop.

Pull up, come.

Put that shit on, get a cup for the drop.

I'm a motherfuckin' five.

All wait for the ladies, always

Yummy, shout out to the niggas out on dates right now.

Hey, buddy, at the low spot making it hot right now.

I hope it's worth it.

You tell me you're winning on my birthdays.

You doin' whatever to hurt me.

Ooh, and everybody get doing like you did or not now.

Ooh, I needed anything cool in the coop like I got.

And I gon' ride like a surface.

They wanna lay on birds, burger.

She wanna pop it on praise, praise it, praise it.

Microphone check, I said.

Wake it up, I said.

It's the weekend, I said.

She acting for 50 to 100 stops.

I'm all in that ocean, I'm part of the divided.

I'm feeling like Moses.

She's switching emotions and making them faces just like an ass.

Everybody idiot, right there.

Congrats, congrats, congrats.

All of my killers, they ready to follow me.

I feel like Milos.

Got hunt, this

Got hunger, wouldn't it feel like my hoses?

Got yacht on the floor, feel like my hoses.

Got hunt,

keep the applause going for gang, gang, gang, gang.

God's game, not the Rico type game.

Get these drops right quick.

We got an amazing show lined up for y'all today.

Oh my God.

What a show we got lined up for y'all today.

Flip and Mel, Mel, Mel.

What episode is this?

836.

Welcome to episode 836 of the Joe Button podcast.

I'm your humble, gracious, grateful, highly favored, happy to be here, host Joe Button here with some really amazing people.

Gang, gang, gang to my right.

You know the vibes, you know the legend.

You had a TV, hopefully, when the box was out.

You've seen a video before.

Melissa Ford is in the building.

Stop playing with him.

Stop playing with him.

Queens flick.

Queens get the money is in the building.

Stop playing with him.

Stop playing with him.

And he's outside, too.

Say something.

He on what you on.

Tell him.

I love when you go learn some young slang.

Come on, come back.

Bring it to us.

Come on.

He on what you want.

I'm outside.

Yeah, yeah.

My ball is at home.

Stop.

Yeah, Yeah, my ball is at home.

My ball is at home.

Yeah, my ball changed up light.

Still, yeah, that's my baby.

Shout out to my baby.

Look at that.

Shut up.

Look at this.

My ball is at home.

What?

Remember the joint?

Like, they said my ball is considered...

My Antoine is here, y'all.

Make some noise.

Old ass nigga, Antoine is still in the building, man.

King, King, King of of Elizabeth, Mr.

Birthday Man himself, Mr.

Take it further.

Freeze is in the building.

Happy birthday, Mr.

Bird.

Happy birthday.

Happy birthday, Freeze.

Thank you, gang.

Brother Mark Lamont Hill is here with us.

Make some noise.

Fresh off the fly.

Fresh off sleeping on a dirty airport floor.

Looking as tired as could be.

You're three-time potter of the month, guy, huh?

That's how much I love the people, man.

I'm here anyway.

Man.

Huh?

Yeah, yeah.

That's your Adderall dealer making a killing.

That's what it is.

Anybody got something?

You can't say that.

You get it.

Why you can't say that?

Streets know niggas is making a fucking killing off that Adderall dealer.

They making a kill on a bunch of shit.

I don't add nothing.

No interrupt.

Nigga.

Anyway, big parts in the bed.

Poe is here, Trey is here, Corey is here, Erickson is here, Savon and Tana are here by remote last, but certainly not least, each and every one of you guys are here.

Don't forget this episode is brought to you by, fueled by, powered by, funded by, Prize Picks.

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How's everybody doing?

How y'all feeling?

What's poppin'?

Feeling good, man.

Feeling good, man.

Feeling good.

Take that off, nigga.

It's kind of hot.

I was wondering.

We as well take that off.

I'm just gonna fly, though.

I like that.

Well, thank you, Parker.

Appreciate that.

Rich.

Feel good, man.

It's Friday.

The rich suit.

Friday.

It's a rich suit.

The rich suit.

The whole month.

Rich woman.

The dramatic look.

Yeah.

That's expensive.

All right, yeah.

Center him.

Center him.

Y'all done?

Who should we center?

Nobody.

It's Friday.

We are here.

We are happy.

It's good to see everybody.

Yeah, nigga, smile.

Smile, old man.

It's just summer.

Okay?

It is a summer, finally.

Yeah, and I'm happy to see you.

No, it's not.

Hell yeah.

It's about to be 100 degrees next week.

Next week will be summer.

Oh, like hip-hop.

Saturday is the official date.

Last two weeks, niggas been walking around.

Oh, all this rain is summer.

I'm like, no, it ain't.

Oh, you believe in constructs.

Yes.

Saturday is officially summer.

I know that summer ain't the beginning of June, and then these niggas think it lasts till mid-October.

The 21st.

Man, we know our real calendar.

Summer is Memorial Day to Labor Day.

That's summer.

That is the

summer.

Yeah, right.

For the blacks?

Yes.

I don't care about all that.

What day in June?

Yeah, for us.

Yeah, for us.

Oh, shit.

The blacks.

You people.

You mean it's us, you mean?

We got you.

We got you in real time.

We got him.

He hate to be black.

You down, nigga.

I hate that I'm black.

I'm joking.

I'm joking.

I'm joking.

I'm joking.

I'm joking.

I'm joking.

I'm joking.

Don't play with us.

I'm joking.

I'm joking, man.

Jesus.

Niggas from Tallahassee.

We'll call you, nigga.

What's up with y'all?

Shit, feeling good.

What y'all want to start arguing about?

Or debating about?

Or giving information about?

Learning about.

We can jump right into where we left off.

Billboard's top 26.

Patreon.

We did that, but I'm not mad.

They announced

the last 26.

The rest of them.

If they're not subscribed to Patreon by now,

They're losing out.

That's true.

Subscribe to the Patreon.

That was a good conversation, too.

It was.

It really was.

And shout out to all the new people over there.

I was about at the three and a half hours last night.

That's the first time I went mad at it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay, y'all.

Y'all doing too much now.

Anyway.

Parking like Cussing Joe out.

Wait, what happened?

I said, I'd be in a parking lot cussing you fucking out.

Why?

I love it.

I'm pushing over 10 o'clock.

That's why.

How often does that happen?

Not very.

Not very.

It's not quite that late, no.

It's different than what you told me, but I accepted it.

There you go.

Yeah.

What I told you.

Oh, you said, oh, man, we got 6, 6, 30 most days.

Well, that's normally true.

That hasn't been true in a very long time.

Normally might mean something different to you.

That's actually.

I'm sorry.

Does that mean too?

That's actually the rarity.

I'm sorry.

Y'all are right.

I'm wrong.

What I meant to say is that normally happens when the day runs like it's supposed to run.

Shade.

Also not true.

That's not true.

For real.

He did the same thing when he had videos in the tuck.

If shit runs smoothly,

he wants to keep going.

That's him nigga.

He gets a bang for his buck.

When we have videos in the tuck and he promised us, yo, if we have five in the tuck, that nigga's gonna take a day off.

That nigga, Tuesday, Thursday, Thursday.

He was dropping two Patreons.

We come in here, look at him, the joke, what's up?

The people love it.

They eating outside.

That's this shit, man.

You get up in potential.

Listen, for me, this show is a blessing.

There you go.

It is.

The people that come, the complaints, the people that reserve the right to complain are the coal miners, the teachers that are teaching our kids.

There we go.

The firefighters.

The firefighters out there.

The police that are trying to make the streets safer.

Like, I come in here and talk with my friends for a living.

There's nothing to complain about.

We love it.

Like, these are my, I love y'all.

We love you, too.

There's nothing to complain about for me.

We love you too, Joe.

Anyway.

Shame.

He's so full of shit.

Billboard.

Billboard put out the list.

That nigga need to write a billboard.

Let's go-ish.

Get him.

Rapper, boy.

Extraordinary.

Billboard put out a list, 75 of the greatest RB acts of all time.

So we went through the list, and now they've just put out their final 20, 26.

I'd like to start this topic with an apology because I watched it back

I maybe was a little hard on Aaliyah

I maybe was hard on Aaliyah yes y'all was hard on a few people

I agree I think she should be on the list I just think she should be a lot lower on the list

that's my position she was at 40 I think that's insane yeah Aaliyah in the 40s is insane

ahead of Deion Warwick and some people ahead of the comparison to a lot of the people that were in the 60s and the 70s you know that but like but like but like freeze said you know the criteria criteria is what's important.

I don't see no criteria where she makes,

where she's in the 40s.

Impact?

Again, I don't see it.

Oh, no, her impact was definitely major.

No, no, no, but I'm saying her impact isn't so high that it trumps all the other

five that are below her.

She might still be ahead of a couple people.

Yeah.

I have to go back and look, but she was impactful.

Romeo must die.

No, I'm talking about the kind of everyday girl RB singer vibe that still is.

There was other criteria on that list, though.

There was, but she had hits, too.

Like, she has some of them.

There's a piece of it like,

I just don't think she has the album that puts her in the 40s.

No, got it.

Okay, I see what you're saying.

It's other, like, again, we go

off of that criteria.

It was.

And rest in peace, Aaliyah.

I wasn't one of those.

I'm hugely a fan.

Yeah.

We're not going to do that.

Yeah, let's get to the top 10.

Let's do it.

No.

Can I remind people what's 25 down?

Because we left off at 26.

We left for 26.

All right, so you want to do 25 down?

Yeah, so basically, we'll start at 25.

Yeah, we can fly through.

All right, 25, Patty LaBelle.

That's fair.

It's hard to be bad at that.

24, Bill Withers.

Yes, that's true.

23, Teddy Pendergrass.

That's a little crazy.

I thought he would have been high.

This whole run, I feel like, is a little crazy.

Yeah, it gets a little tricky.

Well, not tricky.

It's crazy as hell.

I feel like when we listen to the rest, then we'll probably.

Let me get this perspective.

Yeah, keep it going.

I'm not gonna.

All right, 22, Luther Vandross.

We gotta interrupt now.

Yeah, right here.

Them two, Teddy and Luther.

Teddy and Luther need to be never that high.

20 and Love.

It's crazy.

21, Donnie Hathaway.

20, Otis Redding.

That's about this whole run is tough for me, but go ahead.

19, Smokey Robinson.

18, Al Green.

17, Janet Jackson.

16, Mary J.

Blodge.

I live with that.

I live with that, too.

Over to some of them other names that was in the 25 down?

Teddy, Luther should be higher.

Teddy, to me, is right where he should be.

And I'll tell you why.

Only because of that, again, that group versus individual dynamic.

If you start counting Harold Melvin in the Blue Notes, there's no way he should be there.

Yeah.

And that's

what.

You say he should be lower than.

And from what we've seen in the 26 to 75, a lot of those people, they didn't exclude their group work because if they excluded some of their group work, they wouldn't even be on the list.

And that's why the list is a little jacky to me because it's like sometimes I agree with you.

It seems like you're only there because of these things.

Because of the impact that you made with these groups, yeah.

Okay.

15, Isaac Hayes.

14, Curtis Mayfield.

Okay.

13, Sam Cook.

Yeah, we cool.

12, Usher.

Sam Cook don't go before a lot of them names from 17 to 23.

I feel like

we could swap their 12 to 16 with 17 to 22, and nobody would blink out.

Curtis Mayfield, Isaac Hayes, no disrespect.

I would take Teddy P and Luther and put them and swap those numbers.

I probably would too.

I would swap those numbers without a problem.

Same.

Oh, okay.

Okay, so that was 12.

11, Ray Charles.

I was thinking about his name.

Other drive home.

He's another tricky one because of all the crossing the genres.

Well, a lot of this is tricky genre crossing, to be honest with you, but we'll get to that in a minute.

You can't put Ray Charles 11 and Smokey Robinson at.

19.

What was he, 19?

I think.

I don't think there's that much space between them two.

Unless you start talking about Smokey in the Miracles.

I don't know what they're counting as individual versus.

And not only that, Ray Charles.

I'm not a huge.

I would put Smokey higher.

Yeah, and not only that, like Park says, there's a lot of like cross-genre stuff that Ray Charles is, where Smokey is not.

Yeah, he's RB.

His whole career is RB, basically.

And in the 1950s, when they started making race records, I mean, the idea of a race record, some people call it soul, some call it RB, some people call it, you know what I mean?

I don't know, I don't even know what RB means anymore, given all the people in this, in this special

school race records rules as far as defining the genre here.

That's what it seems like, yeah.

All right, we at the top 10.

Number 10, Marvin Gaye.

Marvin Gaye.

Whoa, Weslow.

I expected him higher.

I thought he would have been higher.

I thought Al Green would have been higher, but

would you keep going?

Yeah.

Nine R.

Kelly.

Nine is R.

Kelly.

I know Planet is R.

Kelly, respectfully higher than Marvin Gaye.

Except maybe Earth.

No.

Parks, you have a fight?

Huh?

You would have a fight.

Like,

if you pull the masses, that's not...

as cut and dry.

I think it's generational.

That could be.

I think it's generational.

I think every list is, yeah.

You always say that, yeah.

Because

I would have had R.

Kelly like number five, just off the top of my head, but without looking at the list, if I had just had to pull a number.

But when I see who's above him, I can't get that mad at you.

I wouldn't have had him at five.

I would have had him about seven.

I would have had him kind of where he is.

I just would have had Marvin Gaye higher than R.

Kelly.

Yeah, I had Marvin Gaye in my top three.

Personally.

Marvin Gay.

He's at least five to me.

Is Marvin.

Why would Marvin Gaye be above?

I mean, it's an honest question.

Why would Marvin Gaye be above R.

Kelly?

He didn't touch no girls.

Damn.

Well, other than that, take take that part of the brain.

Read the biography.

What's going on?

Never mind.

Yeah.

Take it back.

What's going on?

That's why.

And that's where it gets tricky, right?

Because for some people, Chocolate Factory was a genre

field change.

I think that what's going on is a top five album, period, of all time.

I agree.

I need to feel about that.

A-I-K.

TP2.

TP2.

They're really good albums.

They're not really good albums.

They're past really good albums.

What's going on is that it's like Joshua Tree, it's like Love Supreme.

It's Albums ever made.

Yeah.

Man, all the little kids.

Once you get out of there,

once you get out of there.

Once you get out of there.

I think R.

Kelly has a top five, six discography and RB.

I'm in agreement.

I think you got one.

Excluding no one.

Yeah.

I'm in agreement.

Yeah.

I can't.

I would never put.

I would never put him.

The top three is still, for me, Stevie.

Well, I'm speaking.

Okay.

Number eight, Mariah Carey.

I'm not putting Mariah above R.

Kelly.

I don't care what Billboard says.

I don't care what Billboard says.

I'm not.

I'm not about to do that.

I'm not about to do that.

I love Christmas like everybody else, but I'm not.

Yeah, but mainly.

And that ain't even RB it.

Yeah, mainly, exactly.

Mariah, there's a lot of like pop in her discography.

A lot.

Yeah, like a dream.

Like, what I think of Dream Lover, just as an example,

what do we classify that?

The best thing about Mariah is that she often remixed a lot of her poppy hits and made them.

But then you talk about vision of love and all that other shit.

And

if you're going to put some of these other people that hack

cross genre music you can't exclude her yeah agreed yeah so when you don't exclude her and you put her in there if we're gonna put michael jackson today these lists you have to put

you gotta put mariah carry put mariah above above r kelly

that seems crazy to me i i'm not i am i'm not putting

either i think they should be i think they should be close she's definitely not above market no y'all break continue freeze uh seven is prince

I think that's too high.

I think that's too low, but I mean, that's my bias.

That's your bias.

Again, some of that shit ain't RB.

Prince's best shit ain't RB to me.

I guess that's why I'm.

I think Prince is right with the business.

What would you consider it?

Funk.

Funk?

Yeah.

It's a lot of funk.

A lot of funk.

It's almost more New Wave than it is funk, although New Wave has elements of funk.

A funk, right?

But

I just wouldn't think RB when I hear it.

When I think of Prince's biggest hits, do you think they're R ⁇ D?

I mean,

would you consider them RB hits?

Not all the the way, but I also, the next name on the list, I don't necessarily

fall too a little bit.

James Brown.

James Brown is number six.

RB?

I don't know.

You're not wrong, but I hate.

I just love James Brown.

I love James Brown, too.

I'm cheating for James Brown the way you were just saying, like, for Prince.

This just brings me back to the question.

I would love to ask all of them at Billboard, what is RB?

Yeah, right.

I think if we got a definite answer from that, some of this would start to make more sense.

Because I don't know when you got James Brown hired in some of these other names.

They didn't write on an RB list.

They didn't ahead of the list, like, you know, just a little blurb as to what was, what thought process went into creating this list.

Not just that.

They did the criteria, but not what constituted RB.

Yeah, like we all had this conversation about, you know, what RB actually means, you know, the definition of it.

It would be interesting.

They should have done that.

RB is like middle class.

It's one of the things where everybody has a different idea of what it means and everything goes into

just throwing everything anywhere.

It would be hard though, because think about this.

Like if you had a Michael Jackson album that had 12 songs, three of of those songs could be r b for sure six of them are pop right whatever other breakdown you have but then why is pop not r b to y'all that's what i'm saying i don't understand i think pop pop stands for popular music i think pop is uh over i think anything can be pop you can have pop hip hop you can have pop r b you could have pop rock you can have that's fair but if the album sell goes diamond you don't say yo but those four songs was only r b You give him the accolades from that particular project, so you can't really divvy it up like that.

I think when I say pop, I don't just mean in terms of the, because I agree, pop could be anything, right?

Not like us is pop at this point, right?

I mean, at that level.

But I think when I think of a pop sound, I think about stripping away certain musical elements from it that makes it feel less, strip away some of the soul.

Like, like Michael Jackson, like, like, Off the Wall is an R B or soul album.

It's a disco album, damn near.

And it's a disco album, right?

For sure.

Off the wall is literally a disco song.

Yeah.

But I'm saying by the time you get to...

The soul is R B to me.

Yeah, it is.

But by the time you get to like

bad, you you know, to me, that doesn't feel, I don't feel soul in that.

I don't feel soul in those records in the same way.

I feel soul, but it's I'm over, I'm being a little, I'm overstating a little bit, but I guess my point is,

it feels less and less R and B with each album.

You don't feel the soul in your butt is mine?

There's so many ways I can respond to that.

I feel like pop music is just like, it's an automatic blend of a whole bunch of things.

You know what I mean?

Like how bad has elements of rock to it, has elements of soul to it, has just different elements of genres to it.

So that's like, I mean, pop, when I think pop, I think Taylor Swift.

You know what I mean?

That's what I think as a pop, as a pop artist, because

what else is she going to be considered?

She can be considered folk or something like that.

Yeah, but not everything.

So what's the top?

All right.

We have the top five.

Whitney Houston?

Not mad.

Beyonce?

Not mad.

Michael Jackson?

I'm mad.

Keep going.

Aretha Franklin?

That's the one we forgot.

And number one is is still there.

Yeah.

Yeah, we forgot Aretha.

Who forgot Aretha?

I mean, she was in the making of her.

None of us mentioned her as being a top three choice.

Yeah, there's a reason.

Why?

She don't belong to her.

Aretha Franklin is not the top three choice.

You're out of your mind.

She's not.

I know.

That's crazy.

Tell me why.

Please tell me why.

Because of all the names that we just read.

That's why.

She's not.

You can honestly swap her in R.

Kelly's spot.

No way.

I'm just talking about you could put her at nine and put

nobody be mad at that.

You put Aretha Franklin at nine, nobody back tonight.

Nobody would say that.

No, I think, I mean, she's, I would.

I'm mad I didn't say it back the other day.

I mean, Aretha Franklin is probably the greatest singer of the 20th century.

And she usually gets voted as such.

But if you look at her catalog.

It's insane.

It's insane.

If you start with, I think it was 67 or 68 with the with Columbia Records,

all those covers, all that music she did, which would fit in R ⁇ B if we Catalan Eddie James.

She bodied all the jazz stuff.

Then you get to like 1970, 1971, where she starts with Atlantic Records.

That run in Atlantic Records is one of the greatest runs we've ever seen.

I mean, of just top music.

If that's your argument for Aretha, then there's no way that she should be above James Brown.

Oh, I think she's cooking James Brown.

Oh, I thought it got it.

Because she got more decades of it, and her stuff is squarely in the genre more to me than James Brown.

And everybody's.

I'm taking myself out of that genre bending argument.

Okay, fair enough.

Take the genre

argument off the table.

The other thing for me is everybody we mentioned, she's taken their work, remade it, embodied it, which for me is also a sign of, I mean, you got Otis Redding but she takes respect and makes makes it a song that Otis Redding this unrecognized so what so what did Whitney Houston do she another one she did it once

that what she another one that can get off the top five you are

she need to get you want to lower right I just think there's some picks where you lose a little bit of blackness even saying some of this shit out loud like James Brown not being a top four act

is, I don't understand that.

I'm with you.

If he's there, it's like anybody putting Stevie anywhere outside of number one i'm just not gonna understand i could see

to me a retha's right under stevie if stevie would have been outside the top three then it's blasphemy yeah i wouldn't have argued if he was number two i wouldn't have argued if he was number three i think aretha and james should be pretty close to each other which they are in this yeah

i'm not entirely mad at that although i wouldn't have maybe had her second yeah

putting a retha franklin second from 1960s to her last hit was roses and rose right that was her last big hit not talking about that river in the deep shit i mean you're talking about you're talking about six decks.

Are you talking about five decades, six decades of RB music and all these number ones?

All the, I mean, she is the template.

But you see what get me about that?

Like, you said, even when we had the conversation previously, you forgot Aretha.

Yeah.

Like, them ones, that's one, two, three, four, five, you don't forget them.

You don't forget them.

They don't even slip down.

Ain't nobody.

There's no hole.

Oh, I didn't even think about that.

You see what I'm saying?

Like, like, them ones that's them.

Yeah.

Now you can't.

I mean, we said Aretha in the convoy.

I know that's the right thing.

of whatever convo.

Then that's even worse.

Then that's even worse.

No, it doesn't.

That's proving the point.

It speaks volumes that her impact wasn't to the point where it was undeniable that Aretha Franklin would be into my life.

You see how Stevie's name came up?

It was like his name came up.

Stevie, Mike, James.

We forgot Ray Charles, too.

Ray Charles didn't come to me.

I don't know if we said James Brown.

No, we said Charles Brown.

We said Ray Charles top.

And we said James Brow.

Part of it is because I don't necessarily, when you say RB singer, the word Aretha doesn't come to my mind.

I think.

Why?

Soul.

Because I think of soul.

It's not, it's a genre thing, but this is a much broader net.

I didn't think of Michael Michael Jackson for the same reason.

But the room did.

Somebody did.

Everybody in this room's name tossed around Michael Jackson's name.

Tossed around James Browns' name.

Beyonce, Whitney Houston.

People talked around, I mean, tossed around certain names.

Aretha Franklin's name never came up.

Maybe that's more non-retha is what I'm saying.

I disagree.

But it also speaks to her impact and what it means to us in our age group.

Yeah, but

I said this might be generational, but I don't think there's an argument against Aretha being at least top three.

I don't think there's a legitimate argument for Aretha not being top three.

I can't see see it.

Not with R.

Kelly being non for me.

I'm sorry.

I don't think they're in the same planet.

I think they only become on the same planet.

We're just talking about songwriting and things like that.

I'm talking about music.

And albums.

Aretha has way more albums, way more music, way more

impact.

I mean,

she's so impactful that nobody.

Give me your top four most impactful Aretha records.

Impactful?

Yeah.

Respect, of course.

Respect is number one.

Impactful.

Think.

Yeah.

I wouldn't say think.

I would say

I never loved a man.

Because when that came out, that B side, I've never loved a man.

And if it was the other side.

Yes, Never Loved a Man, I would put as impactful.

That was one of the most impactful albums of the decade.

You know what I mean?

It came out as a single.

Natural Woman is another one.

Yeah.

I mean, we could,

man.

In terms of impactful, then you get to the Amazing Grace album, right?

The Amazing Grace.

She stopped in the middle of a major soul RB career and made a gospel album.

not the Al Green shit like when shit is on the wrong side You know people make gospel albums when shit is going wrong

She stopped and made

She made amazing

Aretha shut everything down and made a major

which up until a few years ago was the biggest and greatest gospel album ever made also the Curtis Mayfield everybody we mentioned as a star she done did something with them and trumped them I mean the Curtis Mayfield album for

she made the album with Curtis Mayfield that he produced that had given him something he could feel on there was a major shift in

soul in the late 70s.

I mean, to me.

The earliest output is for.

You said what?

You're convincing me.

He got a little argument.

You're convincing me.

He has an argument.

She might have one of the best voices, pure voices.

And I think she's the greatest singer of all time.

That's the other thing.

He can feel.

That would be another impact.

That's what I'm saying.

So she got the records, the voice, the impact.

The longevity.

Yeah.

I mean, she had more number one hits than him than he does.

Of course.

Yeah, yeah.

Of course.

That's what I'm saying.

Aretha is something else.

And I'm pretty sure that almost every single woman on this list would put Aretha where she's at.

They don't put Aretha ahead of them.

Yes.

Every single one.

Every single one.

Whitney would say that.

Beyonce would say that.

Every single single one.

And not in that humble shit.

No, they would just be like, it's a fact.

But she was impactful back in the days, man.

Like, you know, it's generational, I guess.

You guys are free.

Y'all niggas come around.

And Whitney Houston.

Out y'all fucking minds.

If Whitney Houston is breathing today, she says I'm the best singer on this planet.

She might not say it out of respect, but in her heart of hearts, Whitney Houston was feeling like, yo, fam, I'm not Aretha soon.

Y'all can't fucking talk about it.

I think Aretha was something else.

Aretha was something else, man.

I ain't never seen nothing like it.

I wouldn't even have thought in my dad's balls.

I'm shutting up.

No,

Andy's good in a good argument, but fam.

No,

he switched me a little bit.

Not too.

I'm embarrassed.

I'm in Aretha Stan, and I'm embarrassed that

I didn't.

Mark, you guys.

No, I am in Aretha Stan.

Yo, dope.

Remember, we had a conversation once ago, and I saw you read David Ritz's book on her.

It's dope.

You appreciate her vocals even more.

I keep.

Aretha's music, though.

Aretha's the shit.

Aretha is.

She's dope.

She's dope.

Fire.

Clean it up, man.

They could have put Aretha at 16.

I would have thrown this to my

body.

And nobody would have said that.

That's right.

That's fine.

I'm fucked.

They could have put Aretha

right under Otis Randy.

Nobody would have batted an eye.

They put her above under

She could have been by Rachel or wherever he was at.

He was too high.

Man, kick all these off.

Oh, you shouted out.

I'm setting up.

Humbug.

That's going to fuck you up.

I'm saying things I would never say in front of my parents.

No worries.

Unless I was trying to get hit.

I know Pop's going to call you.

Oh, he's going to call you on that shit.

He should.

Pop's going to call him.

Yeah, no.

Aretha was never on my list of people to shit on in front of my dad.

I try to just keep that like Roberta flag.

Who's that out there?

He's stupid.

There's one more.

Anyway.

I thought it was pretty brave of them to put R.

Kelly on the list as high as they put him, period.

On the list, period.

Did they make a mention of it?

Of his shit?

Like, did it be like, this.

Oh, yeah, read that.

Sometimes they're apologetic about it.

Like, you know, we had to include him despite his such and such.

Well, they didn't do it with Chris Brown.

They didn't apologize for including

R.

Kelly in any music conversation.

I agree, but you know, magazines are often scary.

They didn't do it with Chris Brown.

They did apologize, but they did mention it.

In 2022, Kelly was sentenced to 30 years in prison for sex, trafficking, and racketeering charges tied to decades of sexual abuse,

which has tainted the singer's legacy.

From a purely musical perspective, there's no denying that Kelly is one of the best contemporary RB artists to ever pick up a bunch of people.

They had to explain they said, if it wasn't for Dolly Parton, I don't know about putting Whitney.

I ain't gonna hold you.

You out, yum.

There we go.

I'm out.

And Whitney don't belong over no damn R.

Kelly.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Oh, you said, oh, you want to dance with some nigga?

Move.

Nah, that's what I'm saying.

Stop.

I ain't no RB.

Stop it.

Stop.

Why you jump right to Chris Brown about and is mad of him on that list.

That's listening.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not right that you do that.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, James Brown is right.

Hold on.

Hold on one second.

Hold on.

There's a bunch of people on that list.

I understand that, but there is an active campaign to keep Chris Brown

off of any list.

Wait, wait, wait.

The recognition of his talent.

I love Breezy.

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that oftentimes publications.

I'm not sure.

Don't fucking do that.

Don't do that.

Because that's not what I'm doing.

I'm trying to make a mention of the fact that people take every opportunity that they can to fucking like, you know, make mention of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, they do.

I think the difference is R.

Kelly, because his kids, he's incarcerated.

No, I'm agreeing with you.

I think

R.

Kelly and his kids, they had to mention that.

It's not my dig.

I just said that I'm surprised.

I'm not going to borrow it.

shovel, nigga.

All right, whatever.

Whatever.

Keep going.

I have nothing to say.

I'm standing with me.

R.

Kelly, she's been number two, and that's it.

We agree, and that's it.

She's been number two.

You got him at number two?

Yes.

Crazy.

Crazy, nigga.

Behind Stevie Wonder.

You're high as hell.

You got R.

Kelly above Michael above.

You know, I was trying to wear.

No, no, no, no.

Matter of fact, I put him number three.

I put Michael before.

You put him above Prince?

Shit a number 4.6.

That nigga made step in a nigga love, nigga.

Yeah.

That nigga made good.

If I got turned back to hell,

if I could, uh, I believe I can fly.

Yeah, nigga.

And all us sang it at graduation.

Like, graduation in half.

What the fuck did you talk about?

What the fuck y'all talking about?

That shit go in line with pop and circumstance.

Yeah.

That shit go in line with walls.

You went to them terrible ass Jersey high schools, man.

That's why.

Nigga, that shit was was every high school.

Shut the fuck up.

George Washington Carver High School of Engineering and Science.

Nigga, where you gotta be a bitch?

We don't give a fuck about that.

We went on to be a journalist.

Oh, shit.

Tap your foot, y'all.

Tap that nigga.

Tap your little Philly foot.

Look at him on.

Don't play happy people.

That fiesta tomorrow.

You might hit the tap.

Happy people might be happy people.

No.

No R.

Kelly, man.

What's wrong with you, nigga?

After the show, though.

Old people don't own old parties, the

50 and 40.

You turn to 16.

50.

50 and 40.

Nothing to say, but I'm saying, you know what I'm talking about, older people.

They play R.

Kelly and they not they getting up stepping and they

do all that shit.

Yeah.

They don't care about that.

Fuck them.

Oh.

They stepped up.

This here's another one.

I'm out.

You know how

I might get up and step with you.

Hey, sorry, sorry, Whitney.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Let's go, let's get in your bag.

Hey, go.

Hey, hey.

Mark went off the singing.

Hey, yo,

you fake ass.

Oh, man.

Mark, don't go dance on the single.

You doing the two-step.

What the fuck are you doing in the kitchen, yo?

I know.

Woo, head tight.

I was about to say yo,

cuz you did my laugh ever since you did my laugh.

No, no, no, some

stands.

Mark, you ain't got a dance on the side now.

If Melby tried to play, Mel was in this video.

No, she was the other one you played.

I wasn't.

Still.

I was in a happy people.

You with your partner and y'all.

Y'all holding hands and y'all swinging.

Hey, I'm sorry.

Whitney, rest in peace.

But

oh, pops.

Oh, shit.

Oh, shit.

Oh!

Pops.

Yo, look at my dad.

Nah, don't, don't rap.

Nah, don't rap.

Don't rap.

You just missed something.

Your son up here and said, we ranking the top RB singers of all time.

He basically said Aretha Franklin wasn't shit.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

And he said he said stupid things like that.

He said stupid things like.

No, no, no, no, no.

They got Aretha at number two behind Stevie at one.

All-time.

All-time top 75 greatest RB acts.

We good with that.

I just don't think Aretha should be Arena.

He thinks she should be lower on the list.

I just don't think Aretha should be a two.

That's it.

He thinks she should be behind R.

Kelly.

He thinks she should be.

No, but she should be behind James Brown.

Say the names I said.

Don't try to get me in trouble with my dad.

Is it based on just what?

The music, the writing,

no show, like voice,

impact,

accolades,

longevity, impact, all that stuff.

And he basically was like, fuck Otis Redden, Teddy Pendergrass.

Oh, at least.

Just lost by what he said.

You started something new here?

I'm never going to say fuck Teddy Pendergrass or Otis Redden.

But you had them very low.

Did he say fuck Curtis Mayfield?

No.

He didn't say fuck Curtis.

He didn't even acknowledge him.

He basically didn't acknowledge him, right?

All right, I'm not playing with Charles.

I'm not playing with Charles.

Way before it sounded like a bad thing.

Pop, nobody disrespected Curtis Mayfield.

Who'd you disrespect?

They're liars.

Who are names you disrespect?

I can't remember.

Roberta Flattie.

Ray Charles.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's what it was.

Roberta Flatten.

Ray Charles.

Roberta Flatt.

Hey Dad, he didn't say nothing.

I ain't say nothing, but she another one.

She another one.

Come on.

Listen, I ain't got to respect

people that my dad respects.

You didn't beat him enough.

That's how fun it is.

no, honestly.

Go hit a hot note and make a pop.

Look, he's going to be like, he's always my mom.

So that's why when he told me, well, he used to tell me he's changed, so he's getting better.

That Will Chamberlain wasn't shit.

All right, stop.

Listen, all right, all right.

It's good for y'all.

Look what y'all did.

Look what y'all did.

Your son didn't say that.

Listen, what else do we have on our topic, boy?

Congratulations to all, make some noise for all acts that made the top 75s.

No matter where you are on that list, it is an accomplishment.

So shout out to each and every one of y'all.

Indeed.

And all of y'all, well, most of y'all probably forgot more about music than we've ever learned.

Most of y'all.

Some of y'all.

What else?

What else?

What else?

What else?

What else?

We got some feedback from Tyler Perry.

You know, on the Patreon, again, y'all need to check out the Patreon.

Against Joe?

Against Joe?

No, no, he didn't respond to Joe yet.

Tyler gave him more.

Tyler, fry you up, yo.

How did I get in the time?

Come on, come on, come on.

Tyler Perry, of course, has been accused of, or sued even, for quid pro quo and some other sexual misconduct stuff by a former employee, an actor of his from the Oval,

Derek Dixon.

Derek Dixon.

And

on the show, and y'all should listen to the Patreon to hear our full kind of breakdown of it.

It was very insightful and mature.

We then moved to this next phase where Tyler Perry responds.

It wasn't the response that I had hoped for.

What did you hope for?

Something more full-throated.

Wow.

I mean, part of it.

You're talking about the one when he started doing all that Jesus across the hill.

God sees my trouble coming, all of that shit.

Yes.

Help is on the way.

Exactly.

They're saying that that is not a reply to this.

What would it be a reply to?

That's something old, like during COVID or during the fires in LA.

Oh, really?

Yeah, that was not...

I'm 99% sure that was not him replying to this.

Okay.

that was they took some old shit.

That's why they cut it the way they did it because I kept wondering why does it keep cutting here?

I spent like a half hour on the internet trying to get it.

Try to find it.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, that's not his reply.

So then Tyler Perry has not responded.

No, not his attorney.

His attorney, yeah, his attorney issues.

Now that we've seen,

we have a reply from his attorney, and we've seen a leak of text messages, and we've seen the actual court documents that were filed that give also some direct quotes allegedly from Tyler Perry to Mr.

Dixon.

What did the text messengers

so glad you have?

Happen to have them right here.

Right here on Devil.

Anyone want to read some of it too?

It's nice.

It's fun.

Got him role play.

Okay.

You want to read Tyler and I'll read Derek?

No, no.

It should be

dudes.

I think it should be.

You be the other dude.

You don't have them.

You can read them.

My phone died.

I'll read them in a guy's voice.

There you go.

Okay.

All right, great.

Let's go, Mel.

All right, I'll be blue.

You be gray.

Well, yeah, blue is Dixon.

Yes.

All right, get the shit off.

Right, And we just had a heaping dose of it, and now it's back to.

Oh, so mine starts before that.

Oh.

Mine starts here.

Oh, because that's a whole lot of nothing.

It's not, though.

All right, okay, okay.

On Tyler's side, it lays the premise.

It might be a lot of fun.

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

Okay, here we go.

And it starts one way.

In my opinion, this conversation escalates.

Gotcha.

And you could kind of see that in the text.

So

I'll just read it.

Throwing the worms out.

i can call you later or tomorrow sometime here you go

you have a really fresh voice and take on things i don't know where this is going but i laughed the entire time i could see the world and the characters my exclusivity ends in 30 days i want to take loosing it out to amazon or netflix after that and gauge their interest but i also want to try and get you with the right people to help you make these shows work they are not for my audience but we need to find a home for this stuff i don't want you to miss another daw oh i don't want to miss another i'm going to assume it says dawson dawson's creek dawson no it's creek

there's a show called shit's creek

okay

you know that i'm old as hell dawson

you know that eugene bought that to me first but i didn't get it oh yes definitely

amon gets here tomorrow so he's got my full attention i'll be trapped i'll be trapped until the day after christmas so let's talk then i just think that was important to know that's super important yeah okay he says wow wow i was worried you'd even like it because it's a weird concept so thank you

all right now okay sorry sorry come on let's go all right so the next one is right well i feel like i'm in hamilton right and we just had a heaping dose of it and now it's back to nothing it's really weird

you gotta start rapping it though word i didn't have any contact what are you talking about?

I haven't been touched in months.

Oh, you mean touching?

I thought you meant being around people.

Jacob?

I love that you only say that when I'm being stupid, LOL.

I guess the Jacob dumbass version of me.

Not dumbass, but blonde.

You next.

Oh, you know what I cook.

Sorry.

Damn, fuck him too.

You know what?

I cook.

Derek?

Spaghetti.

Cake?

You.

I'm so drunk.

I'm talking shit.

What's it going to take for you to have guiltless sex?

Okay.

Have y'all found that yet in therapy?

That escalated quickly.

Yes.

It's the exact same kind of car, Geometro, whatever that is.

Who cares?

It was his first car, Tyler Perry's car that he was sleeping in when he was homeless.

That was my first car, too.

Okay.

try Tyler Perry has a lot of parallels.

Atlanta.

Atlanta and Tyler Perry got a lot in common.

We both work with a lot of gay people.

All right.

Giving up my religious guilt, becoming a Buddhist.

That's so cool.

Where you came from?

Unfortunately, Derek, I have friends who are in their 50s and 60s who are still dealing with that, and it's so sad.

You can have freedom from religious guilt and still believe in Christ.

I'm assuming that.

We should stop here.

They're laying the groundwork.

Nigga, the first conversation sounded like, well, you tell a shorty.

Nah, the first one is flirty.

Now we're laying the groundwork to saying, yo, you got religious guilt about whatever you got religious guilt about.

About being

homosexual.

Yes, we can get past that.

Times have changed.

The first one, if we can make this happen, it

nice.

Santa Monica is nice.

I'm glad you're going out there.

How is your no?

Is it stronger?

You've got to have a strong no.

Yes, it's strong.

My mom literally thinks I'm going to sell my soul to the Illuminati.

She heard Kanye say that.

It's real.

Well, I don't think that, but I do think that you have to be able to say no and mean it and make it clear.

I'll only say yes if it gets me an Oscar.

Just joking, just joking, just joking.

I hear you.

Now, at that point, I think that this little, is this dude white?

Yes, yeah.

This little white nigga is trying to line me up.

This white nigga is texting me to line me up, and Tyler Perry knew it too, so he responded and said,

well, the only one who could have gotten that for you through sex is in prison.

So, just stick to the no, unless you are really into him.

Freaky emoji.

Freaky control emoji.

I was going to ask what the freaky emoji was.

The one with the tongue out and one eye winking.

Oh, okay.

The freaky emoji.

It's a bunch of freaky emojis.

I didn't know that was a freaky emoji.

You just be sitting there.

You're trying to be sexually harassing my curtain all this time.

The purple devil smiling.

That's a freaky emoji.

I thought I was just like, okay, noted.

I would hope that you would let someone hold you and make love to you.

You are missing the best years of your life, my friend.

Trust me.

I hope you get past that block in your mind soon.

Well, it's not this person, but yes, I want that too.

i'm working on it therapy is helping now uh stop again

i think agendas are pretty clear at this point once we get to the part of the relationship where you come and to tell me how much you hate the current person that you're seeing and i tell you shit like get away from him and i'll bend that break that back up nice

And I'm going to keep it a buck.

We are past employee, employer

talk at that point.

Yeah, it's you get what I'm saying?

Like, we on some personal talking shit, it's past that at that point, and the dude basically is saying, I'm paying, I play for pay, I'll do those things only if it gets me and Oscar.

You gotta throw the little you gotta price it, JK, JK.

Yeah, yeah,

it's mad truth and JK.

Yeah, like, yo, my nigga, you're gonna be

gonna do it, right?

But memory of his Tyler Pete, the lineup, and still kept going, but mad people are giving up.

Letting them know, yo, I'm not doing it for no Brad.

I pop you, but I ain't paying.

Yeah.

All right, so he continues to take this a little more personal.

Tyler says,

Why did that photo make me jealous?

You two together.

Oh, shit.

Sorry.

Are you intellectually?

Shut up.

I lost my fucking blame in that.

I got it.

Here.

He's laying it out what I'm trying to do.

You can't say at this point, you say.

I don't know.

It's just Brad.

LOL.

Tyler says, LOL.

Okay, then I say he just wanted to go for a quick walk to get his steps in, and now I'm walking to Chipotle myself, LOL.

Thick Derek.

Get that Chipotle.

Ha ha.

Can you tell from that photo?

Thick Derek is crazy.

Chipotle making niggas thick as crazy.

Y'all niggas do be easy.

You calling another man thick is crazy.

You're getting that double meat.

Y'all are very immature.

Y'all are intellectually, whatever the term was.

It's not crazy if you're into that.

No, I'm saying, homeboy saying he didn't get what was going on.

That's bullshit, my nigga.

Anything after this that transpired was consensual.

You can't talk about...

Wait, if I talk about Chipotle Lady, it means I get the hit.

No, if you saying you showing me a picture with another dude made me jealous.

Yeah, it sounds like he said that.

Bro, the agenda is clear like be clear like it ain't no hidden agenda going on i'm trying to smash i got mixed feelings keep going and it sounds like from this that derek sent him a photo of himself like this is an exchange go on right it's on you mail no i said how ha ha how can you tell from that photo next one

no i can't only from your jeans ha ha that's how i measure too

if i'm not filling them out i'm not working hard enough

Right.

This is cut off of mine.

Let me just ask.

So, dude's claiming he doesn't know that Tyler was trying to get at him?

Yes.

Well,

yes, essentially.

It wasn't consensual.

Yeah.

Like, Tyler basically was ambushing him and all this other shit.

Yeah.

Got it.

So he's going to probably argue some coerciveness here and

probably like power dynamics and

the whole nine.

That's my hang-up.

That's my.

So you feel like it's power dynamics into play.

Well, it is.

Well, it's definitely power dynamics.

Absolutely power.

If Tyler Perry isn't Tyler Perry, he's not talking to him.

All right, cool.

But let me ask you this.

I'm not saying.

No, no, no.

That could be true.

That's a fair truth.

But what I'm saying is, one, were they already working together?

Because it seems like he was just giving them scripts or throwing them ideas.

I don't know if he was already working for them.

No, he was doing it.

No, they were already working for him.

At that point in time.

Yeah, he meets him in a crowd, picks him out.

And a catering

brings him in for that woman forward.

Were they already in talks to work together?

He gave him a job within a couple of weeks.

He got hired, like, right like that.

He basically picked.

It's the old school shit.

You see somebody you like, nigga, yo, I got something for you.

I got something for you.

Yeah, he gave him a job.

He saw him at a catering.

He's catering an event for him.

Right.

And that's what you find.

And the first job that he gave him, it wasn't the role that he played consistently on the Oval.

It was a different production.

Right.

Yeah.

But he got one more job.

Yeah.

Exactly.

All right.

Okay, so.

No, let's stop reading because it's a million more texts.

Okay, yeah.

It's way too many texts.

But the important ones, and the next one, Tyler is saying, I feel sorry for the person that you choose.

Homeboy says, why?

He says, what I mean by that is, you're so beautiful.

When you finally are able to unlock your mind, you're going to make that person crazy.

That's that game, man.

That old school shit.

I mean, but see,

the flip side to that is

where the power dynamic part come into play.

Dude, know he's talking to Tyler Perry.

I know I'm familiar with it.

So it's like, damn, if I dub this the the wrong way, I may lose my job.

No, not just lose my job.

Like, this nigga could, I might never work again somewhere.

Got it.

So that's, not saying that was intention, but that's why it's tricky when you up here.

You can't, you can't be the ones you work with.

So you don't feel like you leave yourself open?

I feel like you can stand on

your principle and still keep your job, just be respectful about it.

You can reject somebody respectfully.

You can, but you can.

Go ahead.

You could be a...

I could see somebody being afraid of doing that.

And that's why you're not supposed to do it as a boss.

That's all I'm saying.

I don't think, I mean, when I read these exchanges, this sounds like some other shit is going on.

I don't know if they have a relationship.

I don't know if they ever had sex.

I don't know any of that.

This is the part where I start hating you.

But no, you don't know where I'm going.

I think you're going to agree with me.

I don't know their dynamic, but this does not, this feels like two friends talking.

And if I had to put my money on something, My money would be on

they had a friendship, something went left, and that's why this person is salty.

And I'm scoring salty now.

Yeah, and I'm about to make you pay.

But, but, but, and this is the part where you're gonna hate me again.

That doesn't mean that he wasn't uncomfortable at various points in the exchange.

Who?

The employee.

Yeah, like I think there's a part of him that had to have these exchanges because it's Tyler Perry.

That doesn't mean that such a problem.

I hate you.

It's circumstantial.

I have a problem with the power dynamic argument circumstantially.

Overarching, I understand where it can be negative.

But

there's a conflict because people tend to like the person with power dynamics.

People are attracted to the person that has power that's in charge.

Not only that, people will be gay for play.

People will give up some ads to get a role.

The casting couch is a thing.

There's a thing there.

So it shouldn't be, yo, the person that was in power was foul because he was in power and he had that looming over your head.

There's another side to that coin that is not.

You get targeted because you're in power.

Like, you know what I didn't?

Yes, I agree with that.

You know what I didn't hear from you?

Do you think that Tyler Perry fucked this dude?

I'm 50-50 on it.

I don't think so.

I suspect no, but it wouldn't shock me either way.

I think Tyler Perry popped.

Just off the water.

I suspect that Tyler Perry popped as well.

And I can tell you the exact spot in these tests.

No, no, no.

Last week when he said he was had his underwear on.

He was staying staying in Tyler Perry's guest house.

He had his underwear on.

He said Tyler Perry came in the room, pulled his underwear down, and started groping his ass.

I have that text.

I have the text that kind of alludes to that.

That's the one where he's.

Manager, if I feel comfortable enough to pull your draws down.

No, but here's my question.

Why would he lie about to me?

If everything he's saying is his argument, that he was pressured and doing everything, sex would only make his argument better.

Why would he deny having sex with him, with Tyler Perry?

That's all I'm saying.

He never said he didn't have sex with tyler perry oh okay he clearly chopped he chopped up the the messages he said yo he pulled my pants down he started groping me let me ask a better question like it wasn't welcomed it was why wouldn't he leave with that to me the the more shit you did with tyler the stronger your case is so to me that's to me he would leave with he never denies and said he didn't have sex with tyler

His whole argument, the argument about power dynamics is that it's never fully concentrated.

So even if I say, hey, okay, I'll have sex with you tonight, the idea is you're still my boss.

You know what I mean?

I'm about to agree with Mark only in the fact that after you spoke, and you know, I don't.

He hates that shit.

Okay.

Yeah, but

if you're Tyler Perry,

you know that people are drawn to power, money, success, fame, whatever the case may be.

It is now your responsibility to not allow these people to infiltrate your empire and be able to even get at you like this.

Well, if there are laws that incentivize people to infiltrate an empire, then I think that that should be acknowledged.

The flip side of what you're saying, because I agree with some of what you're saying, is

I don't know what this dude was doing before Tyler Perry met him.

Tyler Perry saw him, took an obvious liking to him,

put him in position.

I think most people that are powerful do that for the person that they like.

True.

Yeah.

So

I'm not about to hang him for getting the dude that he thought had a cute ass, a job.

But

when you're away from a couple of billion dollars,

right now, you're my friend, and I love you.

And if you were single.

You are my friend and you love me.

No, listen.

No, listen.

Listen to the words he said.

Let me watch.

Let me finish.

He said, if you were single, right?

If you were single and you found some bad chick and you brought her up here, I would encourage you not to hit it.

You have too much to lose to be hitting this girl.

It's other bad chicks out here that you could deal with that you don't work with.

What's wrong with this particular girl?

Nothing.

Nothing.

But what could happen when she goes lying?

When she gets mad.

She's a liar.

Her personality is amazing.

She's beautiful.

She's all of these things.

Me as Joe's friend is going to say, yo, dog, you bringing Sand to the beach.

You playing with fire.

You don't, you don't.

So that means you should be afraid of like any girl?

No, no, no, no.

Working here.

Working.

You don't work.

You don't shit when you eat.

So if the girl came up here, she was beautiful on the mic.

She need to answer your question, the answer is yes.

I know they didn't want the answers, yes.

He kind of right.

In his position, you kind of do have to be afraid of every girl.

Every girl.

Okay.

Because they potentially have an ulterior.

But he goes, but it goes over.

But working is different.

Yeah, you're right.

That's all I'm talking about.

Even outside of working.

If Tyler wants to fuck dude and just fuck him and give him money, that's his business.

Let me read this text because it speaks to the working environment shit.

Tyler says, and for me, again, I think I can tell the exact point in this texting change when dude got popped.

I just got a lot of experience in this.

But Tyler says, listen to me.

If you let the cast know that you and I...

That sounded crazy.

Yeah, you're wow.

That sounds a little different.

You know, the point in that text message where dude got popped because you got a lot of experience in that.

You got to woe that.

No, not with the

dude.

Please be mature.

You looked over here to me, nigga.

Tyler says, listen to me.

If you let the cast know that you and I have a new friendship, then you are

opening yourself up to a lot of questions and foolishness.

You want them to know that you are there because of your talent and not because we have a friendship or because Tony Tony got me to give you a job.

You earned your spot just like everyone else.

Don't give people an opportunity to play you small or they will.

I can't teach you everything.

Unfortunately, there are some things you'll have to learn for yourself because when we go back to work, I'm not going to know you.

I don't have any friends that work for me, my friend.

Professionalism is key i hope you got it my friend just watch the behavior of everyone around me on set period

when i see you on the elevator on monday you not hugging me you not kikiing with me you not doing nothing that i'm gonna look at you like i don't know you and he's agreeing you're totally right that makes total sense yeah i will don't want to give anybody that opportunity because work is work so to me that was the right after you pop that's the right it could be right after you look

you got that it's It's right after he popped.

That's right after.

It sounds like it.

But it can be hard.

Don't make it hot.

Don't go start.

This is Sunday.

Sunday night.

I'm going to see you tomorrow.

You don't know me when you see me.

I'm Mr.

Perry when you see me.

Yes.

I'm Mr.

Perry.

And that's why this is fucked up.

I don't think this is a $260 million lawsuit.

I'm not convinced it should be a lawsuit at all.

I need to know more details, right?

So I'm not saying he dude is right.

Why shouldn't it be a lawsuit?

Because I don't know what's true or not yet.

But that's not the stance that y'all be taking when it's a female.

It isn't.

No, it's never.

It's never the stance that y'all take when it's a woman.

When it's a woman, you don't say, yo, this shouldn't be a lawsuit.

Y'all immediately be like, yo, that nigga's a piece of shit.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Well, no, hold on.

That's been our track record.

That hasn't been my track record, but what I, again, what I, because I said the same thing with Jay-Z.

The Muffin Shirts is back, boy.

You missed it.

If you remember.

Muffin Shirts is back.

We ain't playing with Mark.

If you remember the Tony Busby conversation we had, again, where we had evidence, I said,

this looks fuzzy to me.

me, and that was a woman involved.

To me, with Tony Busby and Jay-Z, I'm talking about, right?

To me, the question is always, what's the evidence?

I didn't say this shouldn't be a lawsuit.

I said, I don't know if it should be because I don't have enough information.

But I thought you also said that we should always believe victims.

We should.

We absolutely should.

So then, but if you always believe victims initially, then you're not looking for the evidence.

Listen to what I'm saying.

First of all, two things.

Let me answer two of those things.

Pardon me.

First, believing victims doesn't mean that every victim's always telling the truth.

It means we shouldn't start from a position of dismissiveness.

We shouldn't start from a position of saying that they're lying.

That's what I've always said.

I've never said believe all victims.

Got it.

Okay.

Or all accusers.

When you don't get sleep, we got you.

Y'all really don't.

But the second thing here is, I'm not saying we shouldn't, but listen to me.

I'm not saying we shouldn't believe him.

I'm saying, even if everything he's saying is true, the question to me is, does that mean that he deserves $260 million?

I got what you said.

I'm not saying he's lying.

I'm saying everybody up here believes what he's saying.

Everybody up here believes him.

The ain't a question whether we believe him or not.

The question is, if you.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't speak for me.

I do not believe how he's laying this out.

But that's the point.

I do not believe that.

I think that Tyler Perry saw a dude, thought he was hot, had some flirty text, got him a job, popped, distanced himself, and now Tyler Perry, just like straight dudes, got to deal with the girl that's spiteful and hurt because you went about this differently than I expected you.

How much about to cancel the show to Oval?

You are unemployed, and now I...

What?

But again, just for fact's sake too, also, he resigned the year.

He quit the season before.

But your point's well, no, but I just want to make that hypothetical, not this case.

My point is, even if what you describe is true, there are people who will say

that you can't do that.

I'm on the other side of that, but I can't because society and kindness and all that shit.

So I'm saying this isn't a question of believing victims or not.

This is a question of, to me, this is a.

Is the number too high, is what you're saying?

To me, this is a more interesting conversation than is he telling the truth.

And that's always, that's the easy thing to do.

And I'm going to fight over it.

And I'm going to go back to what we said about

Kevin Lyles lowes and shorty

we are in no position to put a number on somebody else's trauma no no no but i'm saying forget the number part i'm not even arguing that part what i'm saying

i i say i did but that's not what i'm talking about right at this moment i'm talking about something different i'm saying the more interesting question to me is if this is all true is this something that people should be paid for right given no no hear what i'm asking if Because you're saying no, you're saying it's not.

You're saying that if it went the way you laid it down that they were cool, that he had sex with them, and he got mad and bitter later.

Does the fact that he's Tyler Perry's the boss mean just because he's...

That means you get paid.

Yeah.

I know what the law says.

I'm asking a should question.

Yeah, I'm asking a should.

That's what I'm saying.

The more issue versus the should question.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Oh, no.

No.

No.

Hell no.

There's a long list of people that shouldn't have got paid if we're doing it that way.

And that's where it gets, and that's where I get, that's why I say I'm a little conflicted.

Because there is a way.

It's like if Barack Obama or Donald Trump

calls one of us in this room, there's a certain kind of power and control they have just by virtue of who they are.

In Hollywood, that's who Tyler Perry is.

And so there is a pressure that I can't imagine having.

To have to watch every step you make and every interaction that you have with people.

Well, that's the only thing that makes me at that level.

The onus is on you now to protect yourself and protect your brand.

Yep.

Right?

Cool.

We all, again, if we were all single men, If all of us were single men, there's a girl that we might meet.

And yo,

yo, let's go to lunch.

Y'all know me.

Yo, I'm gonna get that credit right.

I'm gonna put you on my man.

I'm gonna do all of those things, whatever the case may be.

That's Tyler Perry's offering this man a job.

Yeah, I think you're attractive.

You catering.

You could be doing much, much more.

You should be in pictures.

You should be doing much, much more.

But in that instance, now he's made himself vulnerable and potentially liable if some shit does go left.

You're a billionaire, my nigga.

Go find some other cute nigga outside in Neiman Marcus.

And sometimes that's the, the hunt is the interesting part to people.

To us, nigga.

Oh, yeah, make it

to them too.

It's a good conversation.

Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, yo, that.

It ain't too many humans you're going to get to have the, to have the

opportunity to sue for $260 million.

Discipline?

Yeah, to have the discipline and maturity to turn their back on just the option, the opportunity to make $200 million, $250 million.

Like, who, you asking people to be a lot stronger than humans are.

True.

It's just my point.

Dog.

That's just true.

I just can't.

I'm not wired that way.

Niggas not turning down 200 grand if an opportunity is hitting them right in their face.

I mean, he was making 400 on the show.

Okay.

Like, God, it's hard.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

I'm just saying it's hard for me to imagine somebody puts me on at that level, gives me a chance to create an opportunity.

And I'm not saying this is what happened, but if it is, if it's what y'all describe, and this person has changed my life and given me a trajectory to then go and basically try to destroy their career.

Horrible.

You got people people fucked up.

It is horrible.

You got people fucked up.

It's hard for me to imagine.

I believe, I see it happens.

It's just hard for me to wrap my mind around.

Well, at this point, you're seeing it happen a week, happen weekly.

I know, and it always fucks me up.

I just can't wrap my mind around it.

You wouldn't do that.

You wouldn't do that.

None of us up here would do that.

I would too.

Yo, dog, I still.

I've been saying for a few pods.

Like,

I want to do it.

I just wouldn't be able to sleep.

I'm not doing that, bro.

Oh, no.

I wouldn't be able to sleep.

That shit is rough.

Putting smut on somebody's jacket for

some paper.

If that's what happened, again, we're not saying that that's what this man is doing.

Dude, I'm saying that what they doing, man.

You know, you want to fuck Tyler Perry.

Come on.

Yo, we got.

Okay, maybe.

On podcasts, you can't say all the things that.

Them niggas got double entendres in the text

talking about.

There was a lot.

Them texts are very troubling to me, I will say.

You don't think dude wanted to fuck Tyler Perry?

Yes.

Absolutely.

I don't know.

If he wants to.

What do you mean by wanting to?

What do you mean like it was attracted to him or was willing to fuck Tyler Perry?

Willing, was attracted, was eager, was anxious to see.

Tyler picked him up.

He knew what it it was.

Face lit up when Tyler texted him.

The text seemed showing his homeboy excited about Tyler Perry.

The text seemed like some willing shit.

You know what I mean?

It's hard to know what want means at that point.

Want don't even matter.

He started talking about his jeans and the size and his jeans.

No, the text is true.

Come on.

Well, that's why I said last week at the initial, I have to believe he went to Tyler before this went out and offered a number.

And Tyler so that Tyler wouldn't be embarrassed by this.

And so it's an interesting choice by Tyler to not settle this because not settling it means now the whole world

could be led to believe something about your sexuality that you never talked about.

Nigga, if a dude is bisexual and Elton John starts just texting you one day, nigga, you excited.

You hype.

You hype about that.

So Tyler Perry had a response.

He did not.

It turns out.

He did not have a response.

The thing that was being promoted as a response was not like his.

His lawyer did respond.

His lawyer responded.

He said basically it was a shakedown.

But it's pretty clear.

This looks like a shakedown.

It does.

When you button it.

It feels like a shakedown.

Yeah.

I have a question and a statement.

The T.S.

Madison person said that

they're interested or they are attracted to straight dudes.

What if that's Tyler Perry's thing as well?

What if his thing is.

You know, if you say somebody's name, you don't have to say person.

What?

You said this person.

I don't care about none of that.

Repeat that.

T.S.

Madison

said that

she's attracted to straight dudes, right?

So what I'm saying is that what if that's Tyler Perry's bag?

There's a difference.

T.S.

Madison is trans.

Tyler Perry, the assumption from these texts is that he's at minimum bisexual.

I'm not talking about Tyler Perry not being.

You're talking about the guy?

Flip is saying that their intent is the same.

We've heard stories where

gay men try to turn straight men.

That's what I'm talking about.

Got it.

Okay, understood.

That's what you're saying.

Okay, okay, got it.

Why would that be different to you

if it's that versus?

It's no different.

I'm just saying what if that because we're saying that

I'm kind of agreeing with the whole power dynamics now that I read it right when you say that your boss is texting you You don't know what to say, you don't know how to say it, you don't know if you should not respond, you don't want to lose a position.

So I'm on the edge of that, and I'm just saying that what if Tyler Perry bag is just,

he don't have to be gay, but I'm gonna go at him and use my power dynamics to turn on him.

That was just was playing in my mind.

And to me, gay, straight, whatever the person is, it's all the same.

You know what I mean?

That's a crazy.

But I mean, like, if his feet

you can do whatever you want.

You could change somebody's mind.

I can't tell y'all.

Shit, you can do it with $2,500.

I keep.

You're not lying.

Go ahead.

But we can't say that.

Yeah, the billionaire is the bad guy.

Because you see me and Twitch up.

You know, if you're Dean.

Yeah, nigga, a palm polarizer nigga just walked in here.

Hell yeah.

I smell like a different creed that you can't purchase.

I look like some creed.

I don't get it.

Look, I'm layering.

I don't get it.

I'm layering.

Yeah, the layers is hitting different.

I'm using

Arabian oil, nigga.

Niggas are fooling.

Straight from the prince.

Yeah, nigga.

My thing.

Well,

I'm not rocking with that.

I was going to say this.

If part of what he's alluding to by airing, by

with this lawsuit is that he feared retribution.

These text messages take place in 2021, which is basically basically around the time where he would have gotten the position of, you know, the role of Jacob in the Oval,

the Oval.

It's four years later.

So, where is actually, where actually is the fear of retribution if he tells you, yo, we got to kind of like back up in front of people, keep it professional on set?

You maintained having the job.

You maintained having the high salary.

That's where the questions kind of.

You saw another hot ass that he gave a job to.

Oh boy got jealous like when niggas walked with Brett to Chipotle.

No, I understand that, but the point is, is that that's part of the accusation is I'm fearing being blackballed.

I'm fearing.

If he doesn't continue to play.

Yeah, I'm fearing

complete and total career annihilation.

Gotcha.

Yeah, but if you clear.

So now you quit.

Right, so whenever he quit, what was it, 22, 23?

I think so.

Yeah.

Cool.

24.

When he quit.

He quit in June 2020.

24.

So you just quit, and now you can't get no more work.

Right.

And that 400,000, you flying through it.

Life be life and my nigga.

Bills don't stop.

They come every 30 days.

So now

I need a couple hundred.

But let's represent him fairly, at least, right?

Even if we...

No, no, but I'm saying what he just wants to add what he said.

What he said is that he's dealing with severe anxiety, that he's having severe mental health issues surrounding to what he had to.

go through during the time of children.

We can agree or disagree.

That's what happens when a billionaire breaks up with you.

And takes his hand over you.

You realize that your talent wasn't in it.

Your stomach started hurting.

Probably was hurting.

You get a headache.

Bro, you was making four, no, no, I'll jump aside.

You were making $400,000 a year.

We don't know if this man is living check to check.

You know what I'm saying?

Like shit like that starts to really come into play.

And so now you may be, not guaranteed, but he might be looking at dire straits financially.

Guess what?

And

does he say why he quit?

Give me 5 million.

No, I couldn't find that anywhere.

He may have said it, but I could not find it anywhere.

It needs to be because of what he was having to deal with on the job.

He talked about, again, on the job, feeling anxiety and stress in the health case.

Seeing mental health.

So I'm just saying, it's possible this is all bullshit.

It's also possible that at the very least he feels like he was harmed and deserves something.

And he does mention therapy more than once in these text messages.

So if he's got some kind of, I don't know, where he releases, you know, gives his therapist a release, you know, for his HIPAA records or whatever.

Exactly.

Client privilege.

And there's something in there that alludes to him talking about this more than once like I feel like you know

yeah

yeah lined him up listen

thoughts and prayers

thoughts and prayers to homeboy true

all victims of SA SH

and we'll wait till more information is revealed that's all we can really do that's all we can do that nigga was going to work wearing the tight mark jeans

showing his body off in front of Tyler

Wow.

You can't wear the marked jeans no more.

Set that nigga up.

You can't wear the mark jeans.

That nigga was going to work with me.

Set that nigga a picture.

Yeah.

With the motherfucker.

In front of Chipotle.

With the print.

You know, you can't send Tyler the Chipotle pic with the bulge.

He hit the nigga with the gray sweatpant.

All right.

All right.

All right, enough.

Y'all know what time it is, right?

Nigga, the tight one, the Russell sweat.

Oh, no.

No pockets.

No pockets.

Flip is trying to save y'all, right?

Shut up, nigga.

You know what time it is?

With the recent player, nigga.

Drop something.

That nigga was pulling up the words.

The recent.

Stop.

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Oh,

all right.

You wanted to add a footnote, a cliff note to the Tyler Perry.

This was the Tyler Perry thing.

This is not the first time that there's been a conversation about sexual misconduct.

There was another actor,

Christian Keys?

Christian Keys, you know, who

said his name.

I was going to say who made statements that people.

What was he in?

He was in Top Gun or something, right?

No.

Was he in Harry Potter?

No, he actually is one of the writers of

King's Men.

Hey, Tyler, no, I pick him, boy.

Bottom rifle is crazy.

how you get him.

That boy said they get him.

What'd you say, Mel?

He's actually one of the creators of the TV show that's on BET, All the Queens Men, that's starring Eva Marcel, which I think is...

You mean Tyler Perry's BET?

But I think it's also produced by Tyler Perry.

So Tyler Perry keep looking out for niggas.

But I just want to be clear, he didn't say Tyler Perry's name.

They did not.

Yeah.

But it's been...

Let the streets know.

But I just want to make that clear.

Let the streets be known.

Yeah, I don't want the streets to be suing me.

Tyler, clean it up.

Get your act together, buddy.

What's the name of the show?

All the Queen's Men.

Oh.

That's what they said.

The scary part about the Tyler text was that it read like one of his screenplays.

Shit, quick, is he be making scripts?

It might be.

Sure enough.

Sure enough.

What?

I ain't fucking with that.

All right, then let's get out of here.

All right, we have, let's get to music.

Let's get to music.

We do have

a divorce versus.

Oh, man.

We have a divorce versus.

I think it's fly.

When your wife, when you and your wife get a divorce and y'all both drop a record on the same day, I do think that that's fly.

Maybe it's the hardest than me.

It's fly.

So which record would you guys like to hear first?

Cardi B

or offset?

Offset.

Let's do offset.

Nah, go on, Cardi B.

Sorry.

All right, this record is called

Outside BX.

Let's go.

Outside niggas love an outside stick.

Looking back, running, test some outside.

Hey, there's still a music podcast sometime.

I tell you these niggas the shit.

Please believe it.

They gon' fuck on anything, these niggas way too easy.

Down for

Next time you see your mama, tell her how she raised the bitch.

I've been cuffed up too long, I need from my niggas.

Man, fuck the handle that

you will

that won't step out to the strip club.

You gotta come out, no, come out with me.

Chloe called you King.

It's cute, don't get me wrong.

I like you.

I love some games.

Miss Star came home.

Welcome home, Star.

There's plenty of baby I can't do.

let's go, breeze.

Let's come in tomorrow, Mr.

D.

Cause these girls just wanna be

these niggas ain't shit.

Please believe it.

Tell them that she raised the bitch.

I'm going.

Hey, hey, hey.

Hey.

Whole room is turned up.

Oh, my God.

Yo, y'all gotta stop dancing so much.

Hey.

All right.

the thing about podding with niggas that's 50 years old yo sometimes when the bop come on niggas just get all stoic and stupid in the face you know i mean niggas that don't go out unless they got a speaking engagement somewhere niggas that don't go out unless it's their birthday or their girl is in europe like y'all niggas don't really know unless la roy like

Y'all don't really know how to respond when

the bop is out.

Niggas don't go outside unless it's time to shut down McTrapp,

drive to Buffalo, see your dad.

Like, what's up?

I want you to be.

Lame asses.

Lame ass.

I'll be outside personally.

No.

What's your lame ass?

Lame hoe.

That is definitely.

That's a bop.

I liked it.

It felt a little dated to me, but the sound a little bit.

Like, I didn't, I thought it was going to be crazy.

Maybe I need to hear the strip club or in the car or something.

But.

Her vocals sound a little low?

Oh, we don't look low.

Oh, shit.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I can't hear what she was saying, but it wasn't like, you know, she'll hit you with the punchline shit when she said the beep, beep, leak, leak back.

I liked that.

I thought the mix was funny.

I thought it was fun.

I like the song.

I don't love the song, but I liked it.

I didn't love it.

Yeah.

What didn't you love about it?

It just didn't do it.

Pop liked it.

Pop said it.

They get a couple dollars out of Pop.

This ain't a good hiatus return record for me.

That's what it is for me.

If you're going that long and you come back, I expected it to be something loose.

I wanted heat.

Yeah.

But

it's about dissing him.

It ain't about I'm making, this ain't my album cut, my first single.

It's about shitting on the first single.

And it'll cut me, but I'm shitting on it.

It'll work for the crowd that she's trying to cater to.

That is true.

Cool.

It'll work outside.

She came from that.

So she knows how to make it work in the clubs and what it needs to work for.

And I don't think that's it.

I don't think this is her first single either.

So I'm grading on the curve.

Yeah, but with her, normally it's not,

she's not teasing shit that's dropping like that unless it's something behind it.

Well, the story behind

that.

The rumor anyway behind this, I don't know how true it is, was she played the snippet.

All the fans went crazy

on some TikTok shit with the bad audio.

So she dropped this record first on some warm-up shit.

Okay.

And she's teasing a single.

She performed this record and she was teasing a single, like a real single that her and Spotify only know about.

What's she just saying?

Oh, that's different.

Yeah.

I think she was in Can.

And that's where she performed all this in can.

Because this is the first single I'm underwhelmed.

If this is a song she's putting out, it's fine.

Yeah.

Is that how you pronounce can?

Yes.

I've just had an argument with Mandy the other day.

I say con.

She said it's canned.

There's no episode entourage about this.

She sent me mad shit of people in France saying can.

So, all right.

Mel, what's the rubber way?

I think it's canned.

It's French.

That's why the S is silent.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, the S is definitely silent.

It's just whether it's Con or Canned.

I think it's Cann.

Yeah, I think it's Canned, though.

We don't know.

Anyway, I was saying that.

I just wanted to sound sophisticated.

I keep hearing console.

When I went, I said, nigga,

I keep hearing and saying console.

When I hear you say that, I just said that.

Yeah, I'm grading on the curve because this is not the big, I've been going eight years single.

Hold on, wait,

y'all talking about friends.

Yes.

My slow ass thought they over here joking because you asked Mel it was a nickname for Canada.

You thought some can.

I'm like, what the fuck are y'all talking about?

Bo's the turkey.

Intellectually,

it's an S on it in the can.

All right, good.

That's not Jersey.

It's Jersey schools, nigga.

Well, you know how to spell it?

Yes.

C-A-N-N-E-S.

Okay.

Don't need to be disrespected, my man.

Because he said cann was shortly.

No, because you said, Mel, she's not French.

So that's why we was like, Mel.

She ain't Canadian.

But this is French though.

And actually, French is our second language.

That's why.

You do know.

It's a melting pot.

It's not.

It's a mosaic.

Impetite.

I figure after 13 years of...

I mean, you would know some of it.

You know, enough to know Can versus Khan.

That's what I was saying.

I don't know any French, so.

Anywho's.

Anyway.

Anyway.

The song.

Listen, I don't think it's the first single.

I don't necessarily love it, but it's cool.

How I don't think this is harder than enough.

That's what I'm saying.

The records that she's dropped.

Again, because she haven't dropped, she hasn't dropped an album.

So it's just been single, single, single.

And all of those, this is the worst out of every last one of them records that she's dropped.

And lyrically, this ain't, I don't love this like I lyrically love Cardi because she's in her flow bag with, I guess, the bounce of this beat.

I don't all that.

I'm so small and tiny, he's so big and tall.

I let him dunk his pussy like he dunked the ball.

It's like, girl,

girl.

Like,

I can't, but I know that's how these bitches out here sounding when they fucking.

Look at your business.

You got your fucking bar.

She get a couple dollars out of me on this.

Well, I mean, if it come on, I'll throw some some money.

But I have a high expectation of Cardi.

Insane.

And

I don't know if I want my leak record dropping the same day that my ex-husband is dropping an absolute flame.

I was going to say, especially when that shit is a banger down.

Play that one.

Well, yeah.

You asked for it?

Yes, sir.

That's why you played it second.

Here you go.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yup.

Sorry, buddy.

Yup.

Here the focus.

Sorry, buddy.

Step on diggs can't do this.

Before I got money, I was in the track kicking doors, and I'm just being honest.

If you want more, then we cook niggas up like a honest.

Throw me a 60 if I go to magic or honest.

I'm just being honest.

I keep a sticko up blicky in case you get sticky.

I'm just being honest.

I'm with that.

Who really gets be honest?

Hey, my chick give it to y'all.

I up in my

I know y'all quiet, I know y'all busy, but uh no, no, no, no, it's fine.

I'm in

Come on, let the body sit the flies.

He's out of here.

Yeah, let the body sit the flies.

Hey, Jade all this, he's gone.

Let the body sit the flies.

I put a million dollars into fights.

I pay all the lawyers, free of my dedication.

Sleeping and dreaming, talking to the rocket.

He told me go up, I told them I got it.

No second rock, no misses but I'm rapping.

Walking in bitches, Jay was crazy on this.

Yeah, it did.

It go, hey,

come come on, dog.

Promise a homie, just hand me the hem ain't here.

I beside me, get hoppin' or ride.

The cop is behind me, the timing is shitty.

Fuck.

Why niggas shooting at Ricky, no running back before he clapping the 50, he cracking the 40, I'm back in the city.

I'm here at the foot of the war, he's with me.

And he used the Lumigo's flow at the beginning.

I like that.

Ladies and gentlemen,

distinguished panel.

Smoke.

One-oh.

React.

That's out of this fucking world.

That's the one right there.

That would be the hardest offset record I ever heard.

I love that.

Yeah, maybe.

Solo record.

That's your crazy.

Yeah, he might be.

It's up there.

I agree with you.

I mean, I ain't.

We got that.

It just came out.

I know.

I know.

It could be that good.

It could be.

I don't remember being this excited.

It's about solo records.

I'm trying to think of a solo joint.

Offset guy joint.

He did joint.

He did.

I'm not saying he.

I'm not saying I'm mad at the tick.

I think it's just fast.

It is fast.

Next week, I'll babysit it.

I'm going to hear this somewhere.

Yeah.

I'm going to hear it.

Even though my girl changed the flight.

She came along.

She must have known that new set was dropping.

Like, this motherfucker is good.

Anyway,

I'm going to hear this somewhere outside with my lady.

Yeah.

There you go.

There you go.

Shout out to Setman.

And Jay, that record is

smoker.

That's fire.

That's fire.

That's smoking.

That's vinyls.

That beat is fire.

Vinyls did that beat?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Jesus.

He wouldn't have known what to do with that.

Yeah, not at all.

Yeah, not with that.

Yeah,

not with 10 years' worth of rust on me.

I mean, I'm not active.

I don't ever want to disrespect any of the active people.

You can't just get out of bed and go.

Don't nobody want to hear she hurt my feelings.

I'm damn bad.

I'm so sad.

Fuck a man.

be sick when the girls get some outside.

And this is kind of a disc record.

Yes,

it's not kinda.

It's what the girls.

That's what I just said.

Like, yo, fam, I don't think that's her single off her project.

I think, yo, I'm shooting at your dumbass.

I knew you had a song coming out.

So I'm going to.

But.

Well, then it didn't work.

That was the goal.

Didn't work.

That's the worst.

I like the bodies.

I like both of them.

I like it.

I didn't love it.

You liked it before you heard offsets?

I thought it was just all right before her offsets.

After her offsets, it makes me like it less.

When you put it back on who in here could properly articulate to the our female listeners that a woman being outside and a guy being outside is not the same now no that's not for me to have that conversation that's for y'all to double standard

is there anyone here well first of all do y'all agree or disagree with that Or is that like a Joe Button hot tip?

No, I agree with that.

No, niggas agree.

It's a stigma that comes with it that they don't understand.

They won't.

And they will never get it.

No, they understand it.

We understand it.

You just said you didn't want to talk.

We don't care.

You guys get labeled.

You guys get labeled while we get praised.

Right.

They're labeled.

You guys have the ability to get it.

Very stylistic.

It's a double truth.

But they can't.

Thank you.

Behind what you said, y'all don't care.

You guys more careful.

Hold on, listen.

I don't fucking know.

You guys get labeled.

I think it's actually generational, actually.

We get praised while you guys are like

facts.

Hold up, let's gender war properly just for two seconds.

Mel, do you have a take on this?

I was more so asking the guys, but if you have a take, I'll shut up.

No, because what Flip said is no, he said it very succinctly.

Damn, hell yeah, damn, yeah.

Where women will be, the double standard is in play here, where women will be penalized for that, men are praised for it.

And fucking story.

That's what Joe said.

Joe said, yo, society, men view the two things differently.

If a dude is outside running through baddies, he's considered that nigga.

We all understand that in this room.

Yes, it's understood.

We're all on the same page.

Sounds like we're all on the same page.

I agree.

Yo, you have to shut up, man.

Up

when.

We wasn't distant city girls.

But they was up for two years ago.

Yes, niggas was.

Two years ago, nigga.

Okay.

They're not up no more.

I don't think niggas was really distant city girls either.

Okay.

No, they were.

Well,

thanks, Cass.

Yeah.

A rare moment of freedom for you.

We appreciate that.

It's a pimp for you.

Look at us.

Look at us all agreeing.

We all agree on this.

It's a pimp colloquialism.

Nigga said, yo, if one key open a whole bunch of doors,

it's a master key.

If a lock get opened by a whole bunch of keys, it's a shitty lock.

So shit.

What did you get that from?

He makes a noise now.

He's spitting, fam.

He's spitting, man.

Maybe.

He's making noise.

Where do you get that from, ish?

What about old head peps?

And if the room agrees with the double standard, why bitches won't sit down, y'all?

Is there anybody

like they don't care about it?

Can anybody here

articulate?

Freedom of expression is their body, their mind.

They can do what they want.

They don't have to sit down.

Want to resist the double standard?

I mean, it shouldn't be a we all agree there is one, but like there shouldn't be one.

There shouldn't be one, right, Mal?

Why there shouldn't be one?

Why shouldn't it be?

And what other ones shouldn't exist?

If we're going to get rid of that one, let's get the other ones out there.

You know, I think

I have two thoughts on it.

The first thought is

the double standard shouldn't exist.

People should be able to have liberation and freedom and all of that shit.

My problem is sometimes I meet women, or I encounter women, both in music or in real life,

who start to make choices that I don't think they even appreciate or like.

and convince themselves that they're being free.

Convince themselves, you know, because sometimes when you're oppressed, the only vision of freedom is to be like your oppressor.

So it's like, oh, I'm going to do what these niggas is doing.

They're not happy doing that shit.

That's what I find.

Hey, the part that they don't understand, a lot of niggas ain't happy doing that shit.

So why won't they sit down, Mark?

I think the truth is somewhere in the, it's like that thing you ran earlier.

That shit, would you ran at the beginning of the show when the woman was talking about all this shit with feelings?

It's like a lot of that shit is true, but it's just...

The other extreme.

We went too far in one direction, so now, like, we got to pull it back a little bit.

Like, I think women should be outside more.

I I think they should be able to make choices and not be hemmed up.

But we also don't want to think that just fucking your way through the summer is going to make you happy any more than it does for dudes.

They're trying to just keep up with the niggas.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

And we ain't happy sometimes doing that.

We're not.

We're not happy just going to Cynthia and then Martha's house an hour later and then Marky.

Where is your fucking paper?

I'm not married.

I'm married.

And I'm married.

Abigail.

Look, the niggas got no ass.

Look, look at the ass list.

The ass list crew.

I'm married.

I'm married, bro.

I'm married to you.

You should be in the ass-list crew.

You should be a married man.

I am.

But the way you said it.

I'm talking about what you're doing.

You got on the handcuffs.

And you, nigga, you can't move or burp without permission, nigga.

Watch y'all fuck about when y'all talk with me.

What are you talking about?

You're in the same house.

You're a little ass.

Allegedly.

I am in the same house.

Allegedly.

I'm playing with my wife.

I'm not playing with your wife.

I'm playing with you.

I'm playing with my family.

Let her free, nigga.

She's free.

Let her fucking free.

Go in the house.

I'll just sit out.

And I know exactly what I'm saying.

I got it.

Yeah, yeah.

What Mark said?

He said, I got to ask him.

I don't know.

I don't remember, man.

This thing's moved so fast.

I can't remember.

He said, she can go anywhere she want, and I know right where she is.

Stop playing that, man.

And that.

That one.

I'm with her.

Let me check right now.

Hold on.

Let me see where you are.

Please stop.

Don't do that.

Oh, yeah.

She's at the refrigerator.

No, it's all good.

You know what I mean?

Stop playing with me.

I don't want no smoke.

Stop fucking playing with me.

You started this shit.

You always start this shit.

But wait, but that's another thing.

You be picking and choosing, nigga.

I don't pick and choose.

Stop picking and choosing.

Fuck that nigga and fuck you now, Freeze.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I'm picking choose because you can't keep up with that nigga, nigga.

Fuck that.

Nigga, pick and choose.

That's another double standard, though.

How come it's okay for women to track us and not for us to track them?

Because it's stalking when we do it.

Like, when we track them, it's a charge, restraining order.

Now they telling they an auntie, their whole family.

They pushes.

yeah it's like but they get to track us i just don't get mel what do you think i ain't tracking nobody well the last time i tracked do you track your dudes mel don't seem to track i don't just mean like flyers on social media i mean like when you when you oh no that was a joke yo this thing is your friend

see

y'all making everything a fucking you get too colorful honey stop playing with y'all yo y'all yo you did that don't take shit seriously you talked to this nigga early and he ain't listen see yeah that's being too friendly and smiley with this nigga

i see that yeah Anyway, when you're in a relationship, do you do the location in art?

No, I fucking don't.

She don't.

That's what I'm saying.

Not all women track men.

That's what I'm saying.

She don't.

No, if you're with somebody, you trust.

I don't know what to do.

There was a point in time in which I did, but I was wildly fucking immature.

Exactly.

She grew up.

You've grown up.

I don't do that shit.

Exactly.

I don't have the energy to do that shit.

You're going to do whatever the fuck you want to do, and hopefully, you don't want to do dumb shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, June, well, I track mine and she tracked me.

I'm going to fuck with y'all think.

I mean, if it's a mutually, if it's a mutually agreed upon decision,

if it is a mutually agreed-upon decision to keep track of each other's whereabouts and have the whole find your phone and whatever, find my mate, whatever, then, hey, find my mate.

Find my mate.

Good on you.

You know what I'm saying?

Oh, look, he heard you.

That ain't fucking me.

Girl.

Who got that whole mine phone ring?

Fuck my phone.

Oh, you did.

Fuck.

I know your phone ain't ringing fresh off the Puerto Rico trip anymore.

I know what you're doing.

What's the area cool?

I just figured out why my dad just mysteriously popped up at the podcast.

Some things just don't change, I tell you.

But Juneteenth, I did go over to Life After shout out to O and the beautiful people at Life After.

LaRoyce was doing a poetry jam

over there.

Fire.

So me and my lady, who loved poetry,

kind of sewer of the arts, went to go check it out.

Joe walked in with Sade

and saw how packed it was and made a B-line out the door, went around the corner to come in the back entrance and go straight to the bar to avoid all of what you assumed would happen, which probably would have.

Everybody would have been like,

yeah, no, I get it.

He did the right thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But he did not anticipate it being as packed as it was.

That place was wall

to

wall.

Oh, had to maybe rent some tables.

Damn.

That place was jam,

jam-packed with 95% women.

So I will ask my co-host, was I the only one that didn't anticipate it looking that way?

Or did you expect that?

I knew it was going to look that way.

Well, the first thing you said to me when you came over to me didn't indicate that you knew that

or that you felt good about it.

stop making shit up

the body's in the floor

don't do that to me what did you say what did you say

what

i'm lying

okay go ahead go ahead

whatever says you are you are so dramatic before i got my

That shit hard.

Anyway,

I was at the bar with my baby trying to hide, and Mel Hey came over to say hello in a patent leather skirt, looking like a snack.

Looking snacky like a little Pop-Tart.

And she said,

so many bitches here.

He's such a liar.

I don't even sound like Melissa.

I said, yeah, they did it.

You and none.

They are here with you.

Don't matter if they did ain't Mel.

Well, that's true.

They were very, they were so excited for his visit that they had to have two meet and greets.

One before the performance and one after the performance.

Now, you stayed at the one that was after.

I got there when the show started.

No, I'm talking about the meet and greet.

The post.

I was there till past closing.

Stop playing with Mel, y'all.

Let's go, Mel.

Stop fucking playing with her.

Do you know what time it is?

Take your ass home.

We're like a plan, I got rest.

Listen.

I love that.

We're not centering male.

No, I don't know.

I'm not in a room with people that have done meet and greets, had children for meet and greets.

Fuck the meeting.

Fuck the meet and greet girls, right?

This room is experienced in meet and greets now.

So, what you're saying was, you hung out for a little bit.

Let's go, Mel.

So, did you disclude me from understanding what a motherfucking meet and greet is?

You don't think that I've had a hundred thousand of them

lines out the fucking door.

I understand who you're sitting next to.

Yeah, nigga.

Don't play me.

Don't play her, nigga.

Bro, I'm sure, bro.

Big man nigga show me.

That's what it's showing.

That's right.

Miss me

herself, nigga.

Watch that fucking mouth.

I should have had a meeting and greets all of us combined.

But literally.

In addition to that, I know the owner of the world.

Where did you have a meeting greet?

Where didn't I have a meeting?

Literally, where didn't I have a meeting?

You fucking city in America, nigga, from Alaska to Nebraska.

Watch it fuck them up, nigga.

Fuck you talking about.

No, listen.

Territory's tough.

Oh, my God.

No, but I'm saying this.

I know you had Alaska to Nebraska.

My brain from that.

I know you had them lined up.

And that's not what I'm saying.

I know you had them lined up to meet you.

That's not what I'm saying.

A meet and greet speaks to something different.

Like, are you just talking about having them lined up to meet you?

Or I'm seriously asking, did you really do meet and greets?

Yes, because I've had merch before.

I've sold calendars.

I've had like my whole line of merch.

I've been on the covers of fucking magazines.

Like,

stop fucking crying.

Where the fuck is it?

You on a thin line, buddy.

She did an Atlanta press run.

What was it?

You want a thin line?

You're on thin ice.

Buckle up.

I'm standing with you.

I'm not saying you're not.

No, your talk did not work.

Your mom, we didn't look at your slide, bro.

We got to talk to you and see that it did not.

Nigga, he was on a meeting greet line.

Anyhow.

Oh, shit.

Okay, I understand now.

Thank you.

That's it.

You always think everything I say, I'm trying to be funny.

Sometimes I'm just trying to get educated.

That was me.

And Marcus done meeting me.

That was me, Freeze.

That was me.

Let's go, man.

Make a noise.

You didn't mean greets?

Nope.

He done greeted the meats.

Nigga.

Nigga.

You didn't mean greets.

Nigga.

Antoine.

Have you got those?

Antoine.

Nope.

And sold merch now?

Nope.

Are you lying, Antoine?

No.

You ain't had no, that's that is at the invest face?

Nope.

He said no, he didn't do a meeting.

Okay, so them speaking engagements you be booking, you don't do meeting green.

He's in and out, nigga.

The burger spot.

Let me say the second for the people in the back.

Say the Spanish.

No.

No.

No, nigga.

They said you did a meet and greet, though.

At Invest Fest.

Ish.

Oh, no, say less.

Say less.

Pergola.

Casa.

Nigga, you did a meeting greet?

Cave art.

My man.

This nigga right here, the P.O.

box.

How many people do it take for it to be considered a meet and greet?

Oh, that's where he's getting me.

No, he ain't.

I want to hear him answer.

No, you got a charge.

But he said he never did one.

Put your bliss sticks on, nigga.

I distinctly remember a line of people lined up to meet him.

I could see that.

At the spot.

Where you go, it'd be people everywhere.

I mean, a line.

Why do you get mad at us?

I'm not even remotely mad.

I don't know what you're talking about.

But why are you going?

I answered the question my nigga i never did why you come up here and don't acknowledge your stardom i never did a meeting greet was the question you are a star you are a star whatever you say you a motherfucking star boy

yo don't call me

you a star boy yo yo yo this video i saw you were life after friday you was on the court man

people was lining up waiting to talk to you and at the first break yeah

damn you that nigga

ishy everybody about the motherfucking jokes today ain't they

Fuck out of here, yo.

Ain't nobody.

Yo, shut up, man.

All right, well, now.

But you're not against doing meet and greets, though.

We're going to do one when we go live.

Cool.

We're going to do like a collective meeting and greet, or everybody going to have their own little area.

It depends.

I mean, I didn't read everybody's rider here.

So some people might want to be separate.

Okay.

I don't know.

I think we all live together.

I think it'd be dope to do it all in one room.

With Flipmail, y'all good with that?

Mm-mm.

Nah.

I'm not.

I knew he was going to say that.

I was about to say,

I knew he was going to say it.

How much?

And then we're leaving this topic.

But my brain won't let me.

Yeah, get your question.

My brain won't let me do it immediately without being a child.

Yo, you're an idiot.

You're an idiot.

Yo, every week, some of the audience is surprised I'm a child.

Every week.

Get your question on.

Every week I'm confused by it, too.

And they just come right back.

My question to y'all.

How much should our group meet and greet cost?

Can I answer?

I don't like doing this.

Can I answer a question with a question?

Sure.

Go, Las.

All right, cool.

Mel, how much are the tickets first?

I'm asking y'all how much the tickets.

Oh, the ticket to the shelf.

Yeah, because that shapes how much the meet and greet.

You know what I mean?

Like, say people pay 50 to get in this.

Let's call it 50.

Okay, let's call it.

Now I got a number.

Mel?

It won't be 50.

Yeah.

All right.

Nowhere

Let's be more realistic.

Let's see.

Yeah, there you go.

Buck 19-ish.

Buck 29.

39.

$149.

You got the fees on there.

You got the ticket master fees.

And I'm going to tweet a ticket.

Yo, ticket master, y'all.

Yo, they wilding.

They added an extra.

They be putting mad fees in here.

I wanted to charge 10.

I wanted to do a dollar show.

Mel.

I want to kind of keep it a little low just to increase the opportunity for volume.

So like between $150 and $200.

So, 100 for the ticket and then between 50 and 100.

No, no, and 150 to 200.

Just for the meet and greet, on top of the $100 ticket.

Yeah.

Okay.

You think that's low?

How many meet and greets you said you did?

Nigga.

Everywhere.

No, I'm with you.

Alaska.

Nebraska.

Nebraska.

Flip.

Flip.

All right, so we got 150 to 200 for Mel keeping it low.

There's a lot of us.

Because we want to do volume in the state of this economy.

There's a lot of us.

How about flip?

Probably like $1,500.

Ish.

What the fuck is you on your Chris Brown?

No, for everybody.

Ish.

$100.

Huh?

$100.

That was what I was about to say.

Freeze.

I'm going to say Buck.

Mark,

$75.

Stack.

Parks, Breezy.

You know what I mean?

For everybody.

They can rub them curls.

We're pretty popular.

They can rub your curls.

For the popular green.

What comes with the meat and green?

Apparently, it's some meat.

If you fucking hear it.

You find a thousand?

Yeah,

you sell your shit for a thousand?

Not mine.

Hey, if they cop the thousand-dollar meet and greet, I'm sure I could get somebody from up here to fuck you.

Me too, me too.

Trust me.

Nah, oil's good.

I'm a point, no elbows.

Wait, if that happens, is that power dynamics?

Yeah.

Some other shit, too.

I'm sorry.

Wait, but wait.

Y'all taking this power dynamic stuff too.

You can't fuck the meet and greet me.

Look, is power power dynamics and sex trafficking could born across state lines.

They live there.

They live there.

The person, you're traveling.

It's just prostitution.

The person that you are getting to fuck ain't from here.

Yeah.

I don't know if it's even that.

Alaska, Nebraska.

I'm still having it flip.

What do you point it to, Imani?

Tell them elbows.

I can get somebody to fucking say elbow.

That nigga Imani be there though.

He didn't really have that.

I'm so fucked up, yo.

I'm not, but I wasn't just talking about Imani.

Listen, I done did to her.

Oh, shit.

He said,

not just me.

That is funny, yo.

Listen,

listen, I keep eye pause.

I keep eyes on people on the road.

So your behaviors and your tendencies and your patterns.

Got to.

Like,

I watch Keeb every morning bag the oldest diner worker that puts the donuts out.

Oh, shit.

Yo, joke, yo, joke.

What?

I'm not saying like a bag like that.

I'm talking about be extra talkative

to the lady at the diner.

Or the guest station.

Yeah, or like he finds.

Keith makes friends.

Word.

Blanche.

Blanche, can I get some extra credit?

Yes, Blanche.

Now, I do get that part of being on tour.

You do need to have that ability to make a friend that might slide you an extra donut here and there.

No, we need need that guy.

We need the guy that's going to make friends with everybody.

All right, this is my last question.

Then we can leave the tour, meet and greet conversation.

Okay.

Who here will be the make-a-friend people

at the meet and greet or the tour?

Come on, Shore.

Come on, dog.

Ishamani.

Yo, what?

All right, so Ishamani.

You make friends with you.

You talk to people.

I don't even talk to.

No, we're not saying that.

I don't like strangers like that, baby.

What?

All right.

These niggas get on these mics and lie.

That's about everything.

You've been outside with me.

I talk to strangers.

I haven't been outside with you in a long time.

When you was outside with me, I talked to strangers.

Yes.

Yeah, everything's for the content.

It's got something.

You do.

I'm the nigga that everybody up here says I don't talk to strangers.

Okay.

I've seen you speak to

beautiful strangers.

You know what I mean?

For a long time.

For a while.

Yo, stop you.

You going from gum?

You had a lollipop.

That nigga be be having the candy on deck.

Oh, shit.

For strangers.

Yo, you.

What's that called?

Philanthropy?

He is a philanthropist.

Philanthro-ish.

Philanthropish.

Oh, man.

Oh, but it's okay.

It's okay.

Mel, do you think you'll make friends on tour?

A thousand percent.

No.

Why?

I say yes.

I say yes.

Yeah.

It wasn't even my meet and greet yesterday.

Did you make pictures I took?

That's not making friends.

I mean, mean, I

was there before.

I posted and had like multiple conversations.

It's not, I don't just post with the pictures.

I like standing talking.

You were supposed to be in the house when the meet and greet.

I mean, yo, is she missing a big part of the stop?

Stop, stop, y'all.

You were supposed to take your little rubber hot ass in the house.

Don't rub it up.

Outside.

Oh, shit.

All right, I'm done with my tour questions and meet and greet questions.

That was funny.

That was funny.

That's when you know it, too.

When the meet and greet line start dwindling down and you look around,

straggling.

And somebody just said,

They got their shit already.

Oh, you still over there?

Oh, you waiting downtown.

You want to come back?

Oh, you waiting for me?

You got the greeting.

I was going to meet myself.

It's always funny when you see the meet and greet person after the show.

Like in the club or wherever you're at.

You're like,

oh.

No, my bad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Respect.

All right, y'all.

I'm starting to feel like a dog.

Stop playing with her, y'all.

Let's move.

It's time for my favorite.

Oh, we did that.

All right, what else we got?

What's our favorite part of the show?

Y'all were talking about me?

No,

I wasn't.

There was an insinuation?

No,

no.

Please stop playing with me.

This is directed to the motherfucking room.

Stop it.

Let's go.

Stop it right now.

I'm playing with her, nigga.

Yeah, Mark.

Niggas is requested to stay there.

No, no, you gotta, sometimes, amel, sometimes you gotta remind me.

It's double for you.

Yeah.

Double for fucking me.

But I was reminded already.

I was requested to stay.

Watch your fucking mouth.

Look at Flip.

Shout out.

You ever did a meet and greet on Queens Boulevard, wherever you be at?

Nah.

Nah.

I didn't even get me.

Lending at farmers.

Damn.

And why you say that?

No, I haven't did a meet and greet, but I just think you should be mindful how you address me when you talk about that and any type of jokes where I'm at right now.

Why try to address me properly?

Address me properly.

Should I change the style in which we joke up here?

No, I'm just talking about with me.

But if we can't joke with you a certain way, and we can't joke with Mel a certain way.

You can joke with me anyway.

We got to change the entire family.

No, no, you can joke.

No, no, no.

Listen, listen, you can joke with me anyway, but my response sometimes it brings us into a space where we don't need to be.

And I don't want to fuck up the show.

I want to keep it going and keep it rolling.

That's a fact.

I'm just finding a mature way to respond.

There's that.

There's that.

That's for you.

And for me,

it's been proven that I can take a myriad of jokes.

All the jokes.

Every once in a while, I will remind y'all who the fuck I am.

Who the fuck I am?

That's more fucking Ford right there.

That is mad.

It's a fact.

I don't fuck with you there.

Is that getting me pointed at her?

You're included in that.

That's a whole you.

Me?

Yeah.

death me up.

No.

You ain't got nothing to do with me, bro.

No, bro.

You said you're not.

You're making your way in.

Nigga, you said she looked after, nigga.

You said she sat.

I didn't say she said that.

By the bar.

I know that's what you're talking about.

I didn't say that.

I wasn't there.

What you talking about, man?

Ladies and gentlemen,

let's get forward.

Back to music.

Jim?

Yeah.

We got to talk about it.

Jim Jones

went on Fat Joe and Jada Kisses.

Oh, look, a topic and a topic.

Yeah, yeah.

He went on Fat Joe and Jadakisses podcast and had a lot to say about some dude on the internet that said Jim Jones is better than Nas and has more billboard hits than Nas.

It was a little bit more than that.

It was a young kid.

I think he was, I believe he was like 23 or something, 22, 23.

And he was saying that

for his generation, his era, they don't look at Nas.

And he was like, you know, our sense of fashion, all of that.

Basically, to sum it up, he was saying Jim Jones was more impactful to them than Nas.

And then, like, the kids do, they start quoting, oh, well, look how many hits he got here versus how many hits he got here.

So,

and a lot of people took offense to that.

I personally did not take offense just because of the kids' age, of the generation.

And that's kind of what Jim was speaking to.

Like, yo, I grew up, Jim was himself, he was saying he grew up on Nas

93.

This kid

probably don't have an idea who Nas is.

So he grew up on gym.

And I just think these conversations keep happening where it's pitting one generation against the next generation over not appreciating each other.

Whoa.

Go ahead.

Let's hear it.

I think it's one thing when you're having a conversation with a 23-year-old, which, hey,

nothing wrong with anything a 23-year-old say, they're fucking 23.

I think it changes once you get in your peer group or around some elders, which is the conversation I was looking for from Fat Joe and Jadakiss.

And they tried.

They tried to course correct him, but he didn't want to hear that shit.

When you get around people that know,

you should just be aware of how you sound when you say something.

I think Jada tried to be as politically correct as possible.

He did.

Jada tried to be politically correct.

Because Jim is like, yo, dog,

it's like a sports sports conversation.

Like the numbers are the numbers.

So if you're saying that this person is amazing as an MC, but my accolades say something different, I got way more chart top and shit.

And Jada was like, yeah, that's one metric.

But in New York City with rappers, we don't necessarily go by that.

We going by the niggas that we know get busy.

Wait, but

Nas isn't just a New York City rapper.

No, I'm talking about, but Jada's saying to New York City rappers, when we start to evaluate and assess hip-hop, we going by the niggas that get busy.

Okay.

Because that's where we come from.

Niggas that get busy.

Clue tapes.

I don't give a fuck what your bop was.

On a clue tape, you had to get busy or you wasn't going to make the clue tape.

It's the same way Pusha T totally disregarded anything Travis Scott has to say because you ain't a rapper.

That is exactly what he said.

He said, yo, to rapper.

Yes, Travis Scott is the bigger act, more hits, hits more numbers more but to the rappers don't nobody give a about what travis scott is talking about so i mean it's the same thing again they tried to course correct him but i think jim was strolling so i don't have much to say about it because i don't believe that jim jones believes that he's a better rapper than nas pushity and styles p and those are the three names that he has said he's better than in the last year and i love jim jones but i love him i love him too i think all his albums is fire i think he's an icon in terms of the fashion culturally all that and yeah but

we got to stop the training somewhere nas is a good place to stop that nas is a great place to stop that train for anybody yeah

and i think but jim has non-smoke that's true

for a long time

for a long time so he ain't about to sit and give nas the his proper credit also from like a rapper standpoint i want to hear the rapper say they're better than anybody ever that's different though like if you're a a rapper, you say I'm the greatest, I ain't gotten mad at that.

When you start naming specific people, I'm not mad at that.

It feels weird to me.

Also, he doesn't have more billboard entries than Nas.

That's the other thing.

I didn't check it.

He doesn't check.

I saw some people fact-checking, he don't.

He does not.

And it's not particularly close.

He doesn't have a bigger listening base.

I wouldn't have thought it was close, but again, I didn't check it.

It's not close.

And even if you remove features, even if you get rid of features,

it's just not close.

I mean, you look at Spotify, and these are all metrics I don't like, but Nas has 9 million followers.

I think Jim has like 850,000, 850,000.

I mean, the traditional metric, you look at Grammys, you look at Street.

I mean, I love Jim Jones.

I love every album Jim Jones ever made, just like you just said.

But I don't think they're on the same planet.

I don't think that they should be debating that.

See, and that's why it's smart for Jim to insert himself in these conversations.

That's kind of what he was hitting at.

He said

his latest, and he said it up here with us.

His latest Instagram post, he was saying, yo, going viral is part of the gig today.

Yeah.

So basically, and he's like, I understand today's game.

So yeah, I'm going to get up here.

I'm going to say whatever.

I'm going to go viral and make business off of it.

It's the same shit he told us.

I got to play that game now.

But we also got to respond.

To me, we also got to respect the culture and respect the history.

I mean,

I don't love that move.

If you were to say, I'm going to go whatever, every rapper has a right to say that.

But when it becomes, again, about an individual rapper to me who is on the Mount Rushmore, or at least in everybody's Mount Rushmore conversation,

I just don't like it.

It just doesn't sit well with me.

You know what I mean?

Again, 23-year-old is one thing.

You don't know no better.

But grown-ass men shouldn't be talking about Jim Jones and Nas in the same conversation.

I'm not talking music with no 23-year-old.

This is my kid.

Or my little cousin.

Or like somebody that you got to have an N with me for me to talk about.

We talk music, but I don't necessarily want to hear their thoughts.

You know, I want to hear their thoughts on their

shit.

Unless you're ahead.

like i mean we're sitting here talking earlier about

the list the list and we're talking about people from different eras but we listen to enough music to be able to have a conversation about marvin gay or aretha franklin or michael jackson or roberta flack still not the same it's not the same with me i don't even i even if they're ahead even if they student of the game whatever you want to call it you wasn't there it's not going to hit you the same you're speaking from a per from like looking just from the window looking in you wasn't inside the house i respect that so i'll have a conversation with you if you've done your homework your perspective is a little skewed though, because there's certain things you just will never get.

And they'll say the same thing.

I'm listening to the music.

Yes.

And it's the same thing to us.

That's why it's just a hey, you respect whatever you feel, whatever you like over there, young in, you got it.

I'm over here with you.

I agree.

And I hate when niggas find one isolated person on the internet and make that person's thought

a broad conversation.

Like, I don't know how many 23-year-olds say would agree.

I just don't.

I didn't pull them.

So you got to be careful.

Because if you, if you're 23, Balling came out, Balling came out, what, 206?

2006.

Yeah.

So, if you're 23, Ballin,

wait, 2006 was how many years ago?

Almost 19 years ago.

I mean, you were four when Ballin came out, but it's still recent.

But it's still recently.

No, no, I get it.

I'm just saying, like, I don't, this ain't even your era of Jim Jones ain't really your era like that to me.

Agreed.

That's all I'm saying.

It ain't.

Yeah.

Oh, Nas ain't your era for sure.

Jim Jones could be, because Jim is still active out here.

More.

Nas is.

No, but I'm talking about more in like.

No, you might see Jim with Cash Cobain.

Yeah.

You might see Jim with some of the acts that resonate with the camera.

That's true.

Nas is going to be with.

Nas is with Slick Rick and G-Rap and the Mass Appeal.

He's doing Legal.

He's over here doing some Coinbase shit and all that.

He's putting out Green War.

At a certain dollar, man,

I don't care who you think is better.

I'm sure Nas is probably not very careful.

I don't see his face

at all.

What?

Although he is a competitive dude, so I think he would probably be like,

he's still got rapper brain.

Yeah, but some shit you got to laugh at.

Yeah.

If you're Nas, you got to laugh at it.

Yeah, rapper brain don't just pop out when anybody say that they better than you.

Right?

Like, some of that shit

get laughed away.

Yeah.

But the masses may, like I said, he knows how to, Jim knows how to play with the...

with the algorithm and the algorithm and the people and the streamers, so that may

make more noise than anything else.

Yeah, then than him just dropping the music and go do it.

I just like Jim turning up on the Jadakiss fat joke.

And Jim consistently said, yo, my goal is a bag.

Yeah.

My goal is a bag.

So I don't give a fuck if I got to get up here and say, yo,

Big wasn't the best rapper.

If it's going to generate some money for me, I'll say it.

That's his goal.

He's playing that game, and that is a game that a lot of people are playing today.

Most of them are younger, but he understands, yo, just putting out a good album ain't going to do it for me no no more.

I gotta get y'all talking.

And he puts out a lot of good albums, and he does.

But so does us.

All right, since we got Fat Joe already in the conversation, there's some news that came out since our last show.

It actually came out yesterday.

Fat Joe sued,

he is being sued for $20 million

by

T.A.

Dixon, a former hype man, who alleges that the rapper engaged in sex acts with minors and coerced him into, quote, more than 4,000 sexual acts to maintain his standing.

This is

huge in terms of a story because it's part of a string of stories.

Again, we don't know the facts of the case yet.

We don't know all the details.

We're not saying who's right or who's wrong here, but we are saying that this is

heavy.

In particular, the lawsuit says that Fat Joe, Joseph Antonio Cartagena, engaged in coercive labor exploitation, financial fraud, sexual manipulation, violent intimidation, and psychological coercion.

And this was filed in U.S.

District Southern Court.

This is basically another, it looks like a Fed thing.

It's 157-page document.

And just to add this last piece to it, again, his former hype man worked with him for 16 years.

And according to the complaint,

he had a, quote, unrivaled vantage point to observe the rapper's off-stage lifestyle.

and behavior.

So

we got to ask you.

This is a countersuit.

Yeah.

Because Because Fat Joe sued him first for a defamation

back in April.

Yeah.

Gotcha.

So he says I'm a fat Joe, and then this becomes the countersuit.

This is interesting.

He says that Fat Joe forced him, quote, into humiliating situations, including sex acts performed under duress and surveillance, accompanied by threats of abandonment in foreign countries if he refused compliance.

And again, he says the number was up to 4,000.

Then he adds,

there's a Jane Doe involved in this, and he says he personally witnessed Fat Joe engage in sexual relations with children who were 15 and 16 years old.

And he lists three

Jane Does, including a 16-year-old Dominican girl in New York, who, quote, in exchange for cash, clothing, and payment of her cell phone bill, would perform oral sex and other sexual acts on the rapper.

I don't want to go through the whole thing.

Y'all can find it for yourselves, but there's two other Jane Does, and it's been everything from paying for BBLs to food to all these other things.

And this is that.

And again, this is a Rico, if I'm not mistaken, right?

A civil Rico, yes.

What is a Civil Rico?

What is that?

Yeah.

You got a Civil Rico.

Well, I don't know what it is, so look it up.

But my understanding is when you take the company cards

and start busting shit down and using your legal businesses to pay for illegal shit.

Yeah, but that would be

not a Civil Rico, right?

Wouldn't that be a criminal Rico?

So he's suing him for money.

Civilly

sue somebody for money.

A civil Rico.

A criminal is.

We got a different money.

But it also says claims are like there's a statute of limitations on civil RICO for four years.

Please read us the definition.

A civil RICO refers to a private lawsuit brought under the RICO Act to recover damages resulting from a pattern of racketeering activity.

Essentially, it allows individuals or businesses harmed by organized criminal activity to sue those responsible for the harm.

seeking financial compensation.

Yeah,

so your organized criminal activity being blended with your illegal business activities is, yeah,

Civil Rico makes sense.

I don't know.

It makes complete sense.

I don't know whether this is it makes sense to me, but I feel like you would have to prove the RICO part first, though.

Well, you do, but just not beyond a reasonable doubt, just by a preponderance of the evidence.

If anybody that worked for you helped you in any type of way do some illegal shit, then, I mean, I think I learned that from the Puff case.

Puff case.

Yeah.

But that's a standard civil.

The standard of proof in a criminal versus Civil Rico is different.

In a criminal case, case, the government must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, while in a civil case, the plaintiff only needs to prove their case by a preponderance of the evidence.

Yeah, what I just said.

So, I mean, it's more likely than not that he's liable.

Yeah.

And so, in this case,

unjust, this includes unjust enrichment, quantum merit, fraudulent concealment, fraud, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and money laundering.

In this lawsuit, Rock Nation is also named.

And they claim that the company, which represents Fat Joe, knowingly participated in, quote, concealing, transferring, and manipulating Dixon's authorship authorship rights and royalty interests and sought to intimidate, harass, and obstruct the hype man's legitimate claims against Fat Joe, as well as two other people.

This is why it becomes a civil reco.

They're saying that these acts actually cause him material harm and damage.

That's the argument that's being made.

And that Fat Joe is running

a criminal enterprise.

And the other defendants are

Pistol Pete Torres and Richard Rich player Jos Pitre.

Jos Pitre.

This, I mean,

this feels like he had a beef over not getting some royalties for doing ad-libs, which wouldn't necessarily be guaranteed a royalty situation.

And they're going back and forth about it, and he dropped the nuke.

Yeah, that's it.

Quote unquote.

That's what it feels like to me outside looking in.

Because Fat Joe, excuse me, in the original suit, Fat Joe was saying that he was trying to extort him after he refused to be demanded for ghostwriting work.

I mean, excuse me, refused to be compensated for ghostwriting work.

And so that's when he went on radio and

Dixon and said things about Fat Joe.

Specifically, he said that he enjoys high-level political.

He basically said he fly

16-year-old girl across state lines for sex.

Fat Joe sued for slander,

and then we saw this as the response.

And he told Variety, which is my source right now, he said, this is the right way to fight Joe through the system.

You can't fight him no other way.

Joe thinks he's God.

Joe thinks he's untouchable.

So, again, I don't know who's right or wrong.

I don't know the details, but this is bigger than I think people thought initially because it's not just that he's saying fat Joe did something.

When you start getting a civil Rico, the other thing that Civil Rico can do is what we learned with Diddy and Cassie, it can spark a criminal investigation.

Yes.

So this could go, this could get huge.

I don't know if

I don't know if this was given what homeboy thought it was given, though.

Like, because you're basically admitting that you knew, if this is true, that you you knew that there was sexual activity happening with underage people and you stood by idly and did absolutely.

For 16 years.

Right.

I think his message.

Did you say he was afraid?

Yes.

Yeah, that's afraid.

I think that's what he's saying.

If that's the case, he'd be more complicated.

What do you mean?

Mean that

he played a role to cover it up.

You was aware.

You didn't see any issue with it at that time, if that is the case.

Well, if you was afraid.

But that's what he's saying is that he was coerced into a business.

You'll get immunity for your testimony.

And them niggas would.

Excuse me.

They just use that as an angle.

Them niggas don't be afraid.

Them niggas be willing participants.

Allegedly.

I'm not saying him.

I'm just talking.

I'm not sued for that.

Right.

Thank you very much.

Allegedly,

people be willing participants.

And it's not until things start to come down or things start to change where they want to use these

angles, which is nothing wrong with it.

I don't think in the moment Joe was aware or he made it aware that he was uncomfortable.

Or I think that he was.

was if it happened, because we don't want to assume that he did have sex with underage girls.

I don't want to put that on the table either.

I'm just about whatever, but even with the, even with the ghost riding, even whatever,

at the moment, I think a lot of niggas just be there for the ride.

They did for the ride until time passed and they start to realize some shit.

They don't make it be known in the beginning.

Are we in a different, is this just a different era now?

I mean, is this going to be the norm from now on?

It's the norm.

I mean, forever, I'm saying.

It's the norm.

No, it's the norm because the U.S.

is the most litigious place in the entire fucking world and

it's the result of late-stage capitalism.

That's just a fact.

I guess hip-hop seemed insulated from some of that.

How?

Because hip-hop was based on not snitching, that's what I'm saying.

Other street principles, and now those girls are all gone.

I couldn't imagine 20 years ago, somebody's hype man suing.

I can see suing for royalty, suing for money, but this particular angle is interesting.

And again, that's not the same thing that's wrong with it.

If Joe did what he's alleged to do, he should be held accountable.

I'm just having seen this level of litigiousness in hip-hop ever.

And I didn't know if this was just part of kind of an extension of me too.

Ever since 6ix9ine did what he did and came back,

and

people was receptive of it, not well, like some fans enough, not the industry.

And the niggas was hopping on records with him.

It sort of put that snitcher shit like this.

For the new era to me.

Look at Gunner.

He was accused of snitching.

He came back had a number one was it album like nobody looks at it the way we look at it anymore it's not looked at it the same

i'm sure that the rattin plays a part uh

i think a lot of this is coming from uh

financial literacy poverty yeah i think a lot of is coming from poverty i think that people so much people know now no i've been around you for 20 years i was your man for 20 years let's just say i've seen you do some shit or i've done some shit for you and now we parted ways.

And now I'm fucked up.

I'm back living in the projects or I'm back.

No disrespect to anybody in the projects, but I might not be living under the most ideal circumstances and I'm watching you still ascend financially.

So I might feel like, yo, I did mad shit for you.

I'm old.

And the only way I can get that compensation is to sue.

That's where the know-how comes in because a lot of niggas might have been feeling like that before, but didn't know.

Oh, shit, I got, I could sue them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going to go get them.

Because it's happening all across the world.

I'm going to go get the the same lawyer that won that case with such and such.

I'm going to go get them.

And the internet

changes how the victim in these instances may feel in the 90s versus today.

In the 90s, you're trying to take down one of the most powerful people in the world.

You're going to have a pretty hard time.

Today, you can have an audience.

from day one of support and people believe in you and some action being taken.

So I think there's a lot of things in the pot.

Agreed.

And there's more,

even before we get litigious, I feel like the internet doesn't help because people just see you all the time, see you looking good, see you in the nice car, see you with the jewelry, all that shit.

It's a constant reminder: damn, I used to be around this, and now I'm not, and now it's up.

You know what I'm saying?

Whereas before, it's out of sight, out of mind.

Like, move to LA, pop up on a source.

Nigga, move to LA.

I don't even know that he existed, but now I'm watching you every single day with this chain and that chain and this watch and that watch.

Sponsorship, they just had Joe sitting ringside and they showed him in 50s watches when they were sitting the game that you went.

Yeah, front row.

They had Joe and he had

the rainbow joint on, the rainbow Rolex, that shit for $475,000 Jesus.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, so you like, this thing got $475,000.

Oh, no, give me some of that.

Right.

I beat this nigga up for you.

I did this for you.

I did that for you.

No, I'm old to money, and people might feel like that.

You know what?

I kind of have like a statement/slash question.

I just learned something just recently about media liability insurance.

And I'm wondering if it would protect you in a circumstance.

What is it?

I don't know.

I'm not familiar with it.

So, media liability insurance is basically something that, like, a media personality, an actor, a media personality, a journalist, one of us, could take out and it protects us against, you know, litigious claims, civil suits, and that sort of thing.

So, it's just, I didn't even know the shit fucking existed.

I was like, I gotta get that.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just something to consider.

And it was something that I didn't even know existed, but I just wonder now, which we don't have the answer to since nobody knew what that was, if this would have protected Fat Joe in this particular situation.

No, I don't think it would.

I don't think it would have.

No, no.

Because this isn't a result of his.

This is 20 years ago.

Yeah, this is 20 years ago.

Them moving around in different countries doing whatever they doing.

Them in the studio, he said he was responsible for some of the lyrics, whatever the case may be.

You know what I mean?

Shit like that.

It don't had nothing to do with it.

He said he was humping underage girls.

Like, that's not media liability.

Every hype man done got threatened to be left out the country, though, before.

Yeah.

Every hype man DJ here.

Yeah.

Sound guy.

Hey, we've been rolling out of here at this time.

I dare you to be late like you always are.

And we taking off.

And you'll be stuck over here in fucking Istanbul, nigga.

Well, is that that?

I don't think that that's necessarily a threat.

That's more like, you know, be punctual

and be with

according to what Mark just read, you can't tell nobody that you work with that you're about to leave

in another country.

Or you can't say, yo, do X, Y, and Z, or I'm going to leave you.

Right.

Yeah.

Like hold this video camera or have sex with this person or else.

That's different.

Yeah, that's the difference.

And again, these are allegations.

We don't know what's true.

What happens?

Well, Fat Joe's attorney responded.

I don't even know.

Yeah,

his attorney responded, said this is a money grab, said this is bullshit.

Y'all could look for it, but he said all the things that you would expect an attorney to say in response to that.

I got it.

The lawsuit filed by Tyrone Blackburn and Terrence Dixon is a blatant act of retaliation, a desperate attempt to deflect attention from the civil suit we filed first, which exposed their coordinated scheme to extort Mr.

Cartagena through lies, threats, and manufactured allegations.

We didn't just sue a disgruntled former employee trying to revive a false claim from 15 years ago.

We sued the lawyer behind it all.

Tyrone Blackburn has a well-documented pattern of abusing the courts to harass defendants and generate media attention.

Two separate federal judges have condemned his conduct, one for filing headline-chasing lawsuits full of salacious and baseless claims, and another for making repeated legal misstatements and personal attacks in court filings.

He is now the subject of a pending referral to the Southern District's Disciplinary Committee.

And it goes on to say law enforcement is aware of the extortionate demand at the heart of the scheme.

The allegations against Mr.

Cartagena are complete fabrications, lies intended to damage his reputation, and force a settlement through public pressure.

Mr.

Cardahania will not be intimidated.

We have taken legal action to expose this fraudulent campaign and hold everybody involved accountable.

I think that's the way you fight it.

Like, we were saying, is this going to be the thing going forward?

Is these lawyers that take these type of

like how Hove went after Buzz Busby?

Like, that has to happen to now deter other lawyers from just jumping on and just throwing any lawsuit out there if it's not true.

And the crazy part with that is, most people don't have enough money to do that.

Right.

Like you're talking about Jay-Z, who could go put a billboard out, like, nigga, I'm coming for you.

I'm not the nigga to extort, but everybody don't have the influence, the pool, the resources in which to do that.

And they also, a lot of people don't want to,

it's a waste of time and money to not just settle and

for a lot of people.

What do we think happens to Fat Joe from here?

Anything?

Does he continue to go about

his day-to-day?

I think he he gets lunch

low.

Does he get low?

Nope.

No, no, no, no.

He shouldn't.

No.

Because that's an indication that he can't get low.

You definitely cannot get low.

He got a new show out.

You can't get low.

You can get low.

You can get low.

You could.

I mean, it would give off a some type, it would give off an image that

some truth in here.

That you're afraid of something if you go get low.

I think that's horrible.

I think that's horrible.

Yeah, me too.

It's just certain practices that's just real nasty, that being one of them.

Like, you should be able to get low when you're going through some things for my own mental state.

And you're under duress and you're stressed and you fucked up.

You shouldn't have to continue to show up with your best politician face and work because people think that you'll be guilty.

Some of this shit is good.

That's true.

I agree with you back.

But the people, the people.

The perception is everything.

Yeah.

And the people are the one that moves the needle.

Outside of that, too, like, if it's a baseless claim, as he is saying it is, I'm not going to stop what I'm doing.

That doesn't mean it's not affecting you in a traumatizing way way where you might want to get low based to protect your own mental health.

You can just get right everywhere.

Nobody wants to be faced with that shit every single place that they go.

People point in, people, you know what I'm saying?

Like, those are things that people have to deal with.

I mean, I can see getting low in terms of like

being outside, like going to dinners and stuff like that.

Although, you know, because there's so many lawsuits now, and so many things happen, I'm not sure that this will carry the same stigma that it would have two years ago or five years ago.

Tell the person that.

No, no, no.

I'm with want the person that this or the AFC, my nigga, people got parents.

And

people got children, my nigga, that's seeing this shit on TV.

You can't say, yo, you just one of a million.

Nah, dog.

It hits you.

It affects you differently.

You get what I'm saying?

It affects your family now.

That shit is in your living room now.

Oh, I agree.

Yo, you're 100% right.

I'm just, I'm saying to give him some perspective, let's say it's not true, you know,

to give him some sort of solace is that, you know what I mean?

The world doesn't, I don't think the world immediately judges people guilty in the same way they did five ten years ago or you know I mean

not just how the world feels

not just that's married bro what does the board think that's another important point

before it gets to the world you either got a board that's you either work for somewhere that has a board that's going to do due diligence stand by you investigate try to flush out facts hire a private investigator or you got a contract huh you got a contract they all have these clauses and that contract might have a clause that says show

anything that surfaces surfaces we can admit

this

contract has a million sentences that gives the company an out if you are valuable enough then they don't need they don't run they don't lead that that way they go and talk to some people and see if we can fix it

can we keep this guy or just try to be quiet for a little bit so but but to your point about it being in your living room stuff these ain't just claims like oh he robbed somebody he stole some money from you know what i'm saying the claims in here could cause some uncomfortable conversations in your family.

Right.

He's married, bro.

You know what I'm saying?

You're married.

Oh, it's

shit like that, bro.

Like, again, to Ice's point, this ain't, yo, he beat me for $10 million.

I'll take that before some of the other shit that he is being accused of.

My wife is the one I can go home and tell, yo, somebody's trying some bullshit.

It's a shake down, yada, yada, yada.

The company, not so much.

Yeah.

I would imagine that your family, you would have enough equity with your family, of all people, to be like, Yeah, this is not.

Or you don't have enough equity with your family, so when your family reads it, they know it's true.

Right.

Or they know what's true and what's not.

Like, she might not have been 15, she might have been 25, but I know you fucking on the road.

I'm not saying Joe, I'm just saying in general.

Because that's one of the reasons this

works is because a lot of times the person, the lawyer, the rapper, whoever it is, the celebrity, doesn't want

even the shit that's not illegal.

They don't want my kids to have to read this in a headline.

Right.

So I'm going to settle.

Right.

Because a lot of times your defense is she wasn't 16.

or your defense was it wasn't 4,000 girls, you know.

I mean, whatever the defense is might work in the court, but it don't work at home.

She wasn't 16, sounds nuts, too, right?

I get it, yes, Kobe's defense.

Yo, it was consensual, right?

You still gotta face your wife, my nigga, exactly, exactly.

So, let's let's there's another story that I wanted to get y'all's take on.

Obviously, for those that don't know, the Lakers

were sold,

the Lakers were sold a few days ago.

Uh, the bus family, after having having the Lakers for four and a half, since 1980, 81, whatever,

sold it for $10 billion.

It's the largest sale

in the history of sports, anywhere in the world.

$10 billion.

That's a crazy number considering that Jerry Buss bought this franchise for $67 million.

You know, it's a great come up.

Obviously, the Lakers have a story, legacy.

My question is, I think I know what y'all are going to say.

You're going to say, fuck that.

but Jerry Buss probably would not have sold the Lakers had he been alive.

Probably not.

In the great words of my man Ian Dunlap, sell grandma's house.

And that's the question I was going to ask y'all.

Would y'all feel that ain't grandma's house?

Yes, it is.

No, it ain't.

Well, let me ask the question for the audience, just to be clear.

No, it's not.

Do you sell the franchise

even though you know your father, who made his whole life this,

would not have?

And does he.

He's turning over in his

yeah and to be clear all of the bus siblings apparently did have a meeting about this

there was not a unanimous decision to to sell the team no there was a majority yeah decision

so somebody somebody in the room didn't want to do it loves their father

yeah

this work is tough that's why i'm asking i think i'm not selling it i i wouldn't sell it neither i'm not selling either they would have to buy me out but um i think what happens is, and we saw, I don't know how accurate it is because we've heard, yes, it's super accurate.

Then we've heard it's not so accurate.

But in the shit that we loved on HBO, winning time.

Showtime.

Winning time.

Jerry Buss was a passionate guy.

This was his baby.

This was his passion.

He staked everything in the world on this.

I went to borrow money from my ex-wife and my man, Rakeem, and little kid.

I borrowed money, and this is what I love.

That don't necessarily mean that that love is going to translate to your children.

Right.

Right.

So you might have started this thing that has a legacy that could be a hundred years down the road, but your kids might not care about it in the same manner in which you care about it.

And they may not want to pay the same

because I heard

running a business is some other shit, right?

Your kids might not want to put that much time and attention into something that they don't care about as much as you did.

So I see both sides of it.

Like I'm always, and not for nothing, $10 billion in other businesses, your lineage ain't going to be suffering.

That's the thing.

This is the one time in sports history where

I think the conversation becomes warranted because of

listen, they say the Lakers were valued at $5 billion five years ago.

Yes.

They double.

So to double in five years.

You have something.

Fuck that.

It goes back to what I asked

Wale about just rappers.

Should we be allowed to participate in the IPOs?

If you're the Buzz family, you have arguably the greatest player to ever exist, if not one and two,

in his down.

You're never going to see that.

You're not catching that lightning in the bottle again.

Yeah.

We also just got Luca.

I don't know if you can get much higher than that.

There's not a world.

There's not a world.

Yeah, there's not a world where

you say to yourself, hey, if we wait a little bit, we can get more.

Yeah, I'm not sure if there's a better term.

There is a world that that happens.

Describe it for me.

Because what happens in sports, especially

in major team sports, certain markets drive the entire sport.

So people be saying it's some bullshit, but the Knicks got Patrick Ewing.

You feel me?

He was the number one pick.

They want certain teams to be good because it drives the sport collectively.

We're starting to see the shit with the two small market teams in the finals.

They get reports on that.

So now it would behoove the league to have the Knicks be in the finals next year, to have a Chicago or LA.

I just think that even the Luca trade in itself, if you could surround certain piece, Luca with certain pieces, y'all still back in the hunt.

I don't necessarily think that the team...

What I'm saying to you.

In this Laker case, I don't think the hunt matters.

You have the second most championships ever.

You have the greatest player ever about to do his retirement so-long goodbye run.

You have one of the greatest players ever, guaranteed Hall of Famer that just got put in your lap.

It's like the perfect storm.

They could win the next two championships.

It's not going to matter to their value.

The Knicks are the third

or fourth with Golden State now.

The fourth most valuable franchise.

We haven't won since 73.

A lot of that comes from Madison Square Garden and the real estate that the New York City commands, it leads into that value in New York.

I'm just giving you an example.

Well, Brian Winhurst, to what you're saying,

said that

team's financials leaked one year.

And because of the TV rights, it's the TV rights.

The Knicks have TV rights.

The Yankees have TV rights.

The Lakers have TV rights.

He was saying that because of those TV rights, local and

the Lakers made in one week roughly what the Grizzlies made in the year.

Just so you have a good understanding of the disparity between a small market and not only a major market, but a major market with a TV, a local TV deal.

There's nothing like it.

There's nothing like it.

You also got to think from the buyer's perspective, this is when you would want to buy the Lakers.

10 might be low, to your point, that it might be worth more if such and so they put a couple pieces around.

That's good for the buyer.

True.

No, I was.

At a bare minimum, I got the LeBron farewell tour and I got Luca here, so I know I'll be solid for a year or two.

I got L.A.

Real Estate.

This is L.A., fam.

Like, I think that

I was just talking to Joe's point that he doesn't see the team being worth much more in the near future.

I'm saying that I don't think that that's a guarantee.

And these people at this level of business, they do their due diligence.

I was on, whoa, whoa, I'm with you.

I do think that they can become even more valuable.

But if I'm the bus family

having that conversation, like everything hit all cylinders right here.

Like, so talk.

This is the same ownership group that has the Dodgers.

Yep.

Yeah.

Oh, Magic in them.

Right.

Oh, Magic is a part of that.

And they already own part of the Lakers, too.

They already own 26%.

They have a certain percentage of the Lakers.

They own 26% already.

So what the sports-knowledgeable people are saying is that if you watch what he did with the Dodgers,

which was finding a way to outspend the Yankees, the Steinbrenner, the Red Sox, they spend like the money is coming out of a water fountain.

So if you apply that to the Lakers and they kept Jeannie on to run the day-to-day operations, and apparently she was strapped for some cash, and now she is not, they projecting the Lakers to just start bugging soon.

Yeah.

So it'd be interesting to see how this plays out.

Congratulations to the Bus family.

Indeed.

Tim Bill is Tim Bill.

I don't care how you chop it up.

I don't know if I would have done it, and that's one of my greatest fears.

Working my entire life to give something to my kid and my kid getting rid of of it oh no no in year one and two and the bus family keeps just over 15 ownership still but but that's for a period of time and it's gonna phase out from what i've read it's gonna it's a period of time that they'll have the minority stake um

but tough to say no to i yeah it's tough to say no to that just tough to say no to this this i'm just reading this it says they still retain just over 15 of the team So if I can sell whatever my stake is for 10 bill and keep 15 and Genie gonna keep a job.

If they made five bill in the last five years, I ain't gonna hold you.

I think you can make three to five bill just off LeBron's retirement season.

They're gonna make money.

Yeah, they're gonna make money.

Money's the understatement.

They're gonna make money.

Boo cool money.

And I think they saw a glimpse of that with Kobe.

Indeed.

I think they saw what that looked like.

They were the only team that has a seat to see what that looks like.

That's true.

Because nobody else's farewell tour even came close to winning.

Niggas wasn't even even getting a farewell.

Yeah, like D-Wade and none of them niggas didn't.

Tim Duncan and Dirk and them niggas chucked the peace sign up and went home to their wife.

I remember I was at the one when Dirk came up here to Brooklyn.

Kobe was getting gifts.

Yeah.

And stadiums was giving this nigga cars and shit.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, this was

a production.

And Kobe was doing that without his kids there.

Without his kids on the team.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And people ain't like him.

Right.

Like, be clear, Kobe Bryant,

when he was playing basketball, wasn't the most most well-loved.

He was a polarized man.

Not until the end.

Not until the end.

LeBron knew it.

She's right.

It's going to be the

NBA.

It's going to be the ABA.

It's going to be the college player.

CBA.

March Manner is going to TSA.

The BSA, too.

Everybody.

Everybody's going to have to give it up.

Yeah, Joe.

You're right.

Joe, you're going to have your...

control of all your music at some point.

If you don't already, I don't know your personal situation.

Do you give instructions?

I do, I do, if I know.

It's coming up soon.

I know Pumping Up in particular comes up soon.

I guess my question is: do you give instructions to your kids about how you feel about them holding on to it?

How to handle that asset?

How to handle that?

Oh, no, I'm writing it in.

Well, how I want it handled, I'm writing it in.

Okay, I'm skipping them.

Yeah, you can do it.

I'm skipping them.

I'm writing it right in the shit.

This cannot be sold.

This cannot be yada, yada, yeah.

I'm not letting myself off.

Are you crazy?

Yeah, and that's where it gets tricky for me.

Because that's the same thing.

I don't want my bookstore to ever be sold.

If somebody comes in, if Barnes and Noble tomorrow comes and we'll buy it for 50 million, what do you say?

And my answer is no, but I'm also don't know what my kids are going to.

You know, it's like, what?

Yeah, you said what?

Repeat that.

Repeat that sentence.

If Barnes and Noble comes and says, we need 50 million for it.

He would say no.

I would say no.

Well, I don't know what I would say.

I'm not going to say that.

What I'm saying is, I don't know if I want to instruct my kids.

No, I don't know if I believe that.

I'm saying there is a number that I'd sell it for.

I'm not going to pretend I'm looking at it.

50 mil is that number.

It might not be that much.

I was about to say, nigga, 50.

You got a pin?

You got a pin?

Nigga say, fuck Bobby and the book.

I don't fuck with Bobby that much.

I don't even know Bobby.

I'm talking partially with Tommy.

But my point is, whatever the family business is, I don't know if I want my kids to have full discretion to be able to sell it.

But you also want to raise your kids in a way where they value that thing.

You know what I mean?

Like, I would hope your kids would know the value of your music catalog and wouldn't want to sell it unless they were just desperate.

That's why I put Michael Ball's name on my shoe too now.

That's watching.

It's hard for them to know the value, dog.

Yeah, and I don't know if I'm even right on this.

It's just not their blood, sweat, and struggle.

Genie did, because Genie was a kid.

I'm talking about him with the kids.

Genie played a pivotal part in that.

But from teenage years, you know what I'm saying?

I don't know if, but even in that, bro, again, it may not be my passion.

Right.

It's unfair for me to be held to hold this thing that you love so much if I don't have the same emotional attachment to that thing.

Yeah.

And also, he.

I might want to go join a Peace Corps.

I might want to move out of the country.

I might want to go live the rest of my days in fucking paris or portugal somewhere you got me tied to this thing out of an emotional guilt that's not fair the other thing too is he was an entrepreneur it's not like like it'd be different if he was a ball player he was a hustler he was yeah he might have loved basketball and had a big vision for the lakers but it was probably from a financial vision for the a lot of

that's how it feels in the the wedding time he was yeah he was trying to hustle that shit up i got the opposite feel i got the feeling that it wasn't about money for him when it came to the lakers it was about the lakers

his religion his music because he started doing shit shit that was counterproductive for the look.

Like, it wasn't a good financial move to do X.

I think it would be like, fuck that.

I think it's a long-term play, possibly.

Maybe.

Like, I can see if he was a basketball player and was part of the inception of the Lakers and was fucking

Cherry West or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gotcha.

That would be different.

I see.

Quick question for y'all.

Shoot.

$500,000 right this second or flip a coin for $40 million.

Flip a color.

Flip the the coin.

Flip the coin.

Flip the coin.

All y'all said.

I flip the coin.

That's how you notice that y'all are up.

I'm taking the 500.

You mean the guaranteed?

I'm flipping the coin.

One in the hand worth more than two in the bush.

You mean a guarantee?

Different hands and bushes.

I understand.

It ain't two in the bush.

But

100% of this, 50%.

I ain't the luckiest.

50% chance.

That's what I'm saying.

50% chance.

Like, it's either that or nothing over here.

This is guaranteed.

I'm gonna take the guarantee I'm flipping a coin too, but y'all two up my no my stance is this

my stance is this

Nigga ain't even blinking 500 grand $500,000 is attainable I think by everybody in this room.

Yeah $40 million

for everybody in this room.

Yes, it's attainable, but the probability of people reaching $40 million in this room is different

a half a million dollars everybody in this room

can get a half a million and has been able to put your hand on it at once now if you raise that number to say four million.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Four or five.

I wouldn't have took the flip.

I would have took the cash in.

I wouldn't have took cash in four million.

Yo.

Maybe two.

Two or three.

I might consider that.

That's my idea.

Because I know with my information, I could take the three and turn it into 40.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, 500.

You can't take the five and turn it into three and turn that into 40.

Yeah, it'd take a long time, though.

Take a long time.

Take a longer time to turn zero into it.

That's the risk we take.

I get it.

How confident in you that you could turn three into 40?

Oh, 100%.

It's not even a probability.

How long?

Does it involve these Mexicans again?

It's not a probability for me.

Oh, these are the Jamaicans.

Okay.

It ain't a probability.

Does Winston get involved?

It's 100% probability.

How long?

Depending how many balloons they can swallow.

Yo.

He said, I demarcated.

Yo, oh, nah.

How long would it take me to turn three into 40?

I don't know about that, but it's a guarantee that it would turn into 40.

Like, it's not even a question in my brain.

Three years.

No.

No, it's going to take more.

Maybe five.

Five years.

Maybe not five.

About five.

I mean, there's a

five.

In five years, if you don't have the 40 and you don't have the three, what could somebody do to you?

Nothing, because I'm going to have one of the two.

But if you don't.

If three is going to turn six or seven, it ain't going to three to zero.

One up.

And at the very least, three can give you financial.

If you just lived your regular life and and put three in an interest-bearing account, I mean, you'd be fine.

At 4% treasury bonds, you're going to still make money off the that's what I'm saying.

It creates too much security for somebody to not do it.

Now, if you up, then you would feel the way about the three million that we feeling about this 500.

Like, you know, I could put my hands, I could get 500 here tomorrow, you know what I mean, doing something.

But it's hard for me to get my hands on two or three million just by one act.

True,

got it, got it.

So, for your instance, right, it would be like they said two million or

500 million,

I'm flipping a coin, regardless.

Yeah, because the zero is valuable to me.

The zero is the most valuable part in that equation.

I don't have none of it.

No, you're in a different place.

I'll flip the coin, too.

If I have zero, I ain't going to lose a wink of sleep not getting some shit that was there.

So roll the dice.

If it was three million, I'm flipping the coin.

Not me.

No, but Joe, if they said 40 million guaranteed or 500 million in the flip, you're not taking a money.

I'm taking a coin.

You're not taking 40 million guarantee?

I'm flipping that coin.

okay i'm flipping that

i forgot who i was talking about 40 million is a lot of money

40 million billionaire frankie beverly 40 million is a lot of money before 500 million

500 million chance of it is enough 60 and 500 rest in peace barely man i feel like barely on enlato day going in the same store for 60 years and i hit one day

500 million i gotta flip the coin i have to it's like on the game shows where they be like all right you can walk away now with what's behind door number one.

Or your stupid ass could try to pick some

chips.

Yeah, I'm always gonna be that idiot.

Nah, don't that's not true.

That whammy come out and start doing a Michael Jackson.

You gotta deal with it.

You're gonna do that game male, pressure up.

And they'd be like, big buddy, big money, big money.

You change that to 100 mil, I take it.

Okay.

If you change to 100 mil, I'll take it.

Then I'm not gonna play the fish.

Of course you're gonna.

You know why?

You know why?

Because the other money that is accessible.

not saying him, but I know I get two mil or three mil.

I can work to get that.

So I'm not mind, I don't mind, even 10.

I don't mind to take the chance of flipping the coin.

But you don't think that with that mindset,

you know for a fact you can get the three mil.

I can.

Once you hit the three mil, it's going to change.

And then you're going to be like, yo, shit, I got three.

I know I could get seven.

I know I could get 10.

Like, that's going to change.

I think it's just, not saying you guys don't believe in yourself.

I think it's just believing that

you can do it.

Oh, no, I just like guarantees.

I think there's a third way of looking at it, too.

It's like, I came into this with zero million.

So that's what I said.

Oh, okay.

That's what Joker said.

I'm too vain, nigga.

I believe in myself.

I believe I'm going to make it happen.

I'm going to go get it.

That's it.

That's how I believe it.

A-R-K, I'm 49 years old.

Right?

Right.

Let me get that three.

Give me that three.

I'm good.

Give me the three.

I'll take it.

And I'm going to do it.

For the same reason you said what Flips just said, I believe in myself so much, I know with 3 million

I can make magic happen.

This is is going broad.

What do you think, man?

Oh, you ain't giving your opinion.

No, I would, I'm agreeing with you because, like, after a certain age, it's just like, you know, risk versus reward kind of thing.

And also,

for me personally, I don't have no kids, so I'm not thinking about like legacy and leaving shit behind.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm not going to take the risk.

Yes.

That's right, girl.

A thousand percent.

That's right.

Stop playing with her.

You can hang out any mean you fucking feel like, nigga.

Good fucking you are.

Living for right.

right, living my life like going and living my life like I'm living for the now, don't judge.

Do your thing, Melly.

Thank you.

Do your thing, Melly.

Well, do your thing.

Look at you.

Shut up.

Leave me alone.

That was just a quick question.

What else we got?

What else we got?

What else we got?

What

else is important to us?

Fucking another quick question.

What are your true thoughts about men with nose rings?

I don't have no thought on that.

I don't even know if it's a girl.

Is it like a hoop in the nose ring?

I used to think it was gay before, but it's not.

Like, I seen some niggas rock it.

Pause.

After the cult, I feel I have mixed feelings about it, but because it was.

Wait, what is that?

What did a nose ring have to do with the cult?

It was a requirement at one point.

Are you fucking serious?

Which one did you have?

I didn't have one.

I came in right after the nose ring era.

You still won't send the link, though.

Perfect.

Now we know why.

He in there with a nose ring.

I ain't in the nose ring.

That's at least of what he in.

That's at least of what he in there with.

Shit.

A nose ring.

What did the nose ring symbolize in the cult?

Well, because there was a

short answer is there was an era where our dress and our clothes, when they were answers in Brooklyn,

was Sudanese.

And so we had to wear like white jello beas, like white outfits, nose ring.

things around our head, my azib, all this stuff.

So

it was just the style.

And Natalie did it.

We all did it.

He didn't tell us to do it, but you kind of did it.

If he did it, you did it.

When I came in,

we had them little rat tails in the back.

What up, though?

So I used to have to.

Yeah.

It was a particular, like, it had to be a hoop, a stud, like, like...

Did it matter?

It was a small hoop.

In the middle or on the side?

On the side.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That niggas was wilding over there.

But

they're going to find a picture of you.

I mean, they was all connected.

It was all connected.

They're going to find a picture of you with the hoop.

I'll show you a picture of me wearing the stuff, but I I ain't got no picture of me.

He's the one that's gonna leak the picture as soon as he goes on.

July 1st, bro.

As soon as he gets on.

If y'all not hip to this bullet shoot by now, put it out there.

Let's race.

He put it out there, and then it.

Yo, that's funny.

Wait, why'd you say July 1st?

Is that contract renegotiated?

We don't talk about contracts.

I'm just watching this.

Okay, so why July 1st?

We don't know.

And we already, well, you know, we already finished the, we just re-upped for five years.

So,

yeah, so we're good.

Okay,

plenty of outs in there, though, for a five-year deal, JBN options, MLH options,

equity, shares, yeah, shares, it's dope.

I was actually

fair, they were very fair,

yeah,

got it.

But Mel, as a woman, what is your uh uh, it's um, I would say, instant turnoff.

I'm sorry,

yeah,

okay,

nobody gave their opinion.

Don't Lenny Kravitz have a nose ring?

Oh.

Yeah, he can kind of get away with it.

Park didn't do it for you?

No.

Strangely enough, you want to...

He did such a good job as bishop in juice that I hated him for such a long time.

But you got to understand, I was introduced to Tupac when I was like...

13, 14 years old.

So that's the first impression that I had of him.

So it took me a really long time to actually like him because of that role.

So

yeah, so no.

answer is it did not do anything for me because but the Lenny nose ring was cool, right?

Like, that's a beautiful one.

I mean, he's a rock star, so you know, a lot of the things that he does, he's just he can he can get away with that.

Okay, well we go, it's true.

Stick around at the Lenny Man Jersey.

How long are you gonna stay after at the Lenny Meeting Green?

Anyway, listen, this is what I got for y'all.

Maybe a stupid question, but I just want to revisit that top 75 list really quick.

Okay.

With Aaliyah as the bar here, I just want to throw some names at y'all.

Aaliyah has a better discography than The Dream.

Much more impactful.

I'm going to ask about impact.

Yes, I would say yes.

I'm asking about records.

I love Dream, but yeah.

Yeah, yes, yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

Better discography than Tyrese.

Yes, yes.

Yes.

I don't think so.

Yes.

Better discography than Trey Songs.

No.

A new Trey was going to come up.

No.

No.

That's a better argument.

That's the best one.

For me, yeah, but I see why you wouldn't say that.

But I wouldn't die on that hill.

No.

No, I would say yes.

No.

I think y'all forgetting some of Aaliyah's stuff.

And remember, and also.

I don't think y'all forget some Trey Songs.

Records ain't the only criteria.

It wasn't.

I'm only asking about Valiant.

I don't want to give him to

an R B purist, Tyrese, no.

But for all, I see why she would make the list over Tyrese.

Trey Songs is a different argument.

She She doesn't have a better discography than Trey Songs.

She does not.

Not to me either.

She does not.

I'm not confronted.

She doesn't.

I think

Trey Songs.

I could take away a Trey Songs album and he still might have the better discography than her.

That's no shots to her, but.

No disrespect to her at all.

Dad Reddy is different.

Not just Reddy 5.

He got some shit.

Right.

He has some shit.

Yeah.

All right, so I won't bother with

T-Pain.

I would agree.

Any of the other guys have been thinking about.

All right, I don't have anything else that I'm dying to get out.

I'm kind of chilling.

How about y'all?

Anything?

I'm straight.

I'm good.

Anything?

Chilling?

Chilling?

I know there's normally a rush to the topic board.

So,

Mel.

What's the last thing?

I can't read it from here.

Trump criticizes non-working holidays.

Donald Trump tweeted it on Juneteenth.

That we got it.

I'm tired of these non-working holidays as killing the the economy.

So it felt like a shot against Juneteenth.

Oh,

but he's not doing anything to kill the economy.

Okay, got it.

That's why, you know.

Or he's not saying nothing against the other non-working holidays.

Right.

He didn't tweet that on Columbus Day.

He ain't tweeted that on, you know.

They wouldn't have pulled up his other statements on Juneteenth, like when he was president.

Right.

Oh, I love black people.

And you know, all of that.

All of that.

Billboard just released a statement about our, well, not a statement,

headline.

R.

Kelly has been denied prison release amid claims that jail officials are trying to murder him.

We talked about that last week.

Yeah, they rejected his claim like this is bullshit.

Stay in prison.

They know the game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, last question I got for y'all before we go.

What's good?

Does Whitney Houston have one of these?

Stop trying.

I'm asking you a question.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Look at your face.

She do.

You should have heard the girl.

Oh, no.

You weren't here.

What is it?

I do disrespect the jazz.

What is it?

He was playing Whitney Houston to fuck out early.

I'm asking you what it is.

Joe, stop.

I'm asking.

I'm not getting my title.

I'm not going to get hit in terms of.

So, what?

I hear you calling.

I'm coming.

Put on my love as your love.

Wait, what?

Go to Waiting to Excel.

All right, never mind.

Go to Wait and I'll go to the next one.

And play what from Waiting to Excel.

Come on, Joe, stop.

Play what from Waiting to Excel.

And play what?

And play what?

Joe.

I'm about to pull it up.

Say it.

Play what?

I'm waiting to excel.

They want you to play XL, shoot, shoot.

You're talking about

in terms of hit level?

Hey, Joe, they want you to play XL, shoot, shoot.

Shoot.

Shoot was number one song in America.

Let's see.

Not that shoot.

Not that shoot, nigga.

If you're talking about number one hits,

the song is called Exhale, Shoot Mouse.

Shoot, Exhale.

That's all.

Nigga, so name the record.

I just name it.

Shoot.

I'm talking to you, my nigga.

You want to jump in for him?

Yeah, I'm jumping in for everybody.

So name the record, nigga.

If you let me talk, I can tell you,

X-Hale was the number one song in America for weeks at a time.

This song was not.

If we're talking about success, this shit bodies that I'm talking about you having ears, but let's do it.

If you talk about, that's what happened.

What is you talking about?

I was only talking about success.

And honestly, you.

Yo, we just be I'm only talking about Chark's success right now.

But you're also, but you're also bodies.

I will always love you.

If you talking about Chark's success, this shit is not.

R.

Kelly don't got no songs.

That's what I'm saying.

It depends on what you're talking about.

If you're talking about.

We heard you, Mark.

We heard you.

Yeah, but y'all just ignoring the point.

All you can hear is R.

Kelly.

Fucking weirdos.

You was over there dancing, nigga.

He was over there dancing.

We saw him.

I ran off camera.

I didn't run off camera.

I went to get some coffee and I don't.

And the mummy made you dance.

See that

way.

It was a little strong yet.

That nigga shoulder started jumping over there.

We got off that corner.

Whatever, man.

Yeah, having side combos.

I'm going to kill you.

Hey, hey, Whitney, rest in peace.

You don't.

You out your mind.

Y'all said shit.

You're out your mind.

I didn't say that.

I gave you a song.

What's up?

I'm talking to Kirk.

I said, You give me a song.

I remember what that song did.

Outside.

Oh, okay.

Let me see.

You give it a song.

I'm 49, bro.

Good.

All right, so you sang this record right here.

Come on.

Yo, ain't nobody gonna do it at this

side.

It's a different vibe.

I was outside, bro.

I was outside, bro.

I was outside.

I was about to say, it was in high school when this came out.

Tell me about it.

I don't holler.

Come on, you crazy.

No, it ain't.

No, it ain't just a harder beat.

No, but listen, Joe.

Joe,

I'm not.

Sorry.

Nobody,

listen, everybody in this room will put R.

Kelly above Whitney Houston, but it's just this.

No, they won't.

No, they won't.

In this room?

No, they won't.

Who got Whitney Houston above R.

Kelly this room?

I do.

They do.

No, I don't.

Oh, yeah.

Y'all can try to say.

Y'all pull up.

R.

Kelly's above Whitney Houston to be on the RB list.

I'm just saying Whitney got some hits.

That's all I'm saying.

Don't dispose of it.

But slow down, though.

I'm saying, he was saying Whitney don't got one of them.

I'm saying she do.

Even though I got R.

Kelly above Whitney Houston, Whitney got plenty of them.

Yo, can you say this?

My love is your love is one of them.

All right, no, I'm out.

I'm out.

I'm out.

I don't fuck with this.

She got one of these?

No, I hope she.

No, she has no pedophile songs.

She don't got no show me somebody D before we get E D.

She ain't got no doubt.

Listen to your mom.

You can be locked up, mama.

Look how your mom told you no.

Look how low y'all go.

Stupid ass.

You think that's a low blow?

Not.

Don't ask me no questions, nigga.

Talk about Whitney and okay.

I'm trying to trick me up to have a debate and get me cold.

I don't want to debate nobody.

I'm sad, nigga.

What you're saying.

M.

Kelly's a beast who shit.

But there's people above him.

That's all I'm saying.

McDonald's.

Come on, shit.

You're being disrespectful.

No, you're doing.

Yo, you're being

corny right now.

No, you're not.

Letting that corny.

No,

you're trying to make your nigga make a real fight.

You got enough music in that fucking laptop.

And it's just a slap.

They mad at me for playing the slat.

No, you not.

I do not.

Turn that shit ain't bad.

I ain't mad at you.

He knows the song.

And this shit ain't bad.

I love these records.

Play with me,

let's stop.

Let's stop.

You're gonna play.

We got something.

Yo, Bill Ford put him on the list.

So it's okay to acknowledge what he's done.

Nigga, playing my nigga.

That's what you want.

Out of Whitney used to sound like a shit.

Top Whitney records.

Why can't you pick out Whitney Us?

Nigga, go to them fucking soundtracks.

You started with Aaliyah.

Go to them soundtracks.

I'm with you on Aaliyah shit.

What the fuck is you talking about?

Go to them soundtracks.

I'm done.

I'm done.

I'm done.

I don't, I just said, I don't want enough nobody to do that.

All these dead.

I'm done.

I'm done, I said.

I did it.

R.

Kelly can sell five million Star Spangled banners.

He can't sell nothing right now.

Nah, it's only for that nigga.

He can't sell nothing right now.

Pack him up.

Pack him up.

Whitney ever sung for the minister?

I'm sure she has.

I'm sure she has.

I'm sorry.

What's on?

Kells.

Kells hit the.

Yes, I play with Kells, nigga.

He sucked with Mr.

Vanagar.

He's right.

Anyway.

All right, we're done.

Thank you, Kells.

Oh, yeah.

And he sucks for the paper.

I'm going to give him Mark.

You say the message to that nigga Mark figured out.

Shit.

You can't play with him.

Yeah, I'll play with him later, but I'm down with you.

He called me yesterday.

I got nervous.

I thought I did something.

You spoke to him yesterday?

Two days ago.

Oh, my.

Hey, yo, why is he trying to stunt?

Yeah?

What?

What he said to you?

Every long ago.

Mr.

Mark, my brother.

How you doing, brother Mark?

Can you sound healthy?

R.

Kelly got one of them.

I'm sure it does.

Erica Badu, alchemist.

We didn't touch on this on the new music segment.

A couple joints we ain't touched on the music.

Yeah, I know, so I just want to circle back real quick and then we can get out of here.

It's one of my favorite beats of all time.

I love him too.

I love this beat.

Again, that's brand new Erica by Dew, featuring the Alchemist.

Also, friend of the show, friend of the show.

Stop playing with him.

This is my shit right here.

Let's go, Wale.

This shit is higher.

I was playing this as a sleeper.

Oh, I cut it off.

John, you good?

I got something else.

This is hard, though.

I don't know where to start, but I just want to know when it begins.

I don't know what we gotta do.

Let's go, guys.

This song is hard.

This song is tough.

I don't know where to stop, but I just wanna show you what it is.

You're a summertime record, too.

I'm about to lure my God to kill me now, unless you want.

I'm here with your song.

Sleepers, let's do it.

Sleepers, let's do it.

Also, with a brand new project, was K1, who I absolutely love.

They did the album game.

That project is absolutely amazing.

We played most of the heat already, though.

That ain't true.

That ain't true.

We played one little song.

You played the single do what I say.

I played Worst Behavior, which is on the Kaylani album that they striped and put on this album as well.

But those are the only two songs that have been heard.

Everything else is brand new on this project.

So I'm going to go with

Talk You Through It, K1.

Featuring Flo.

This is a great project to do some fucking to

for the people out there that are in the fucking

that ain't everybody.

I'ma keep you waiting, keep you fair.

With this kind of sense, we might break this bed.

Oh, running out of breath,

hands on your neck.

You gotta say, not a word, I'ma tell you it.

I'ma do

it.

Oh

She hear that busy but silly Soft and silken too lucky I can't give you children Don't care about no hill and I do you in the heels and But you ain't gotta say not a word I wanna

do it

all

Talk to me

I want a bed, I want it in every corner of the book.

Yeah,

put me in my bed, stroke and tell me all that you wanna do.

I need you in my ears, and what I'm trying to hear tonight.

Tell me you won't sleep some

time.

Watching all the duty,

face inside this pillow, you made me oh

yeah.

If I try to tie back,

put me back in my face, you better talk me through it.

Don't do it,

don't do it.

Don't do it.

Take me back to birthday.

Let me have a taste.

How you love it when it tiddled down my lip.

You can fit it in my mouth.

Now that you alive.

Baby, don't question.

Cause I never had it like this.

And it's so good.

Watch my shit.

Pussy eyes.

Just drive it.

Tell me it's the guest.

Talk that shit.

Why you taught me to do it.

Tell me how.

Talk me high.

Talk me through it.

Talk me high.

That is brand new music from K1.

Talk you through it, feature and flow.

Off that brand new project with all due respect.

Available in your phone and on DSPs right this very second.

Shout out to K1 Phenomenal Project.

All right, all right.

I'm gonna go to another friend of the show.

This is Roddy Rich Underdog.

This is

record is fired.

Set record is hard.

Single off of the F1 movie soundtrack.

Okay.

Promos won't be on the F1 movie sounds soundtrack.

Slide out the garage

I got a hundred cards Just for the underdogs

The teller just asked me how I want the cash I told him a hundred logs I want the gold rash Printed up double Ron beat don't beat the roof Poppin' out saying I ain't great

Bitch game drive, I call my roof You know I'm coming this tape too Tell a nigga get out the way 4x4 big fancy

They thought I was cancelled I piped up and flipped the channel LST on the rim, they think we win.

I just talked to my brother.

Shit ain't safe when you fucking with the underdog.

I might bite, but shit get rough.

I'm tryna have paper, rob a crab, and put a Tom Brady on a staff.

Pull up on Dre.

Talking crown and keep up with the wave.

Straight out of climb out of the garage.

I got a hundred cards.

Just for the underdogs.

Intelligence asked me how I want the cash.

I told them a hundred large.

I want them gold rattles.

Put it up double large.

Meet the Ferrari slide on the 91.

105, press the gas in the slow zone.

I like PJ so much, I might buy me one.

Suicide on the fat on my slide, though.

Remaining solid, ain't changing no code.

Ain't got no time to be chasing no bitch.

Ain't got no time to be playing and safe, no dudes.

I don't want the garage.

I got a hundred cars.

It's for the underdogs.

Intelligence asked me how I want the cash.

I told them a hundred large.

I want the gold raps.

Put it up double large.

And again, that record is Underdog by Roddy Rich off of the F1 soundtrack.

The marketing is working on me with that.

I'm definitely going to fuck with that movie.

It looks good.

It looks good.

They did some haptic ad.

A haptic trick.

I

That shit was fire.

I'm definitely going to see that.

You watch it.

And I want homeboy to start getting his gram.

It's becoming a trust.

We got to support the movies that have them in it.

For sure.

They were celebrating Prodigy the other day.

He passed a few years ago on this date.

I think celebrating the day of passing is a little strange, but

it's a good excuse to listen to Small Prodigy.

This is Legends.

Respect to the old timers, man.

All we go through is hell.

What the fuck is a heaven?

We live fast and store death as long as possible.

Get our cash and get threats in the hospital.

Young D, when I was 13, I had dreams to do what LL did and run DMC.

Dirty little fuck, learning how to aim my P.

Older niggas in the hood used to try to thug me.

Till pops gave me a knife, told me to handle my things.

And if not, when I came back, he would handle me.

I put my first little bit of thin niggas, I was gas.

Started aiming with the others that was on the same shit.

Had my first taste of gunfire early in my years.

Gang fights, we was jumping niggas, we was just scared.

Taking coats off of victim watches off of kids with ripples.

Shooting in the air, party turn to aiming for your head.

And And us young bloods and little young guns from back then.

Grew up to be raps, most infamous plays.

Most thugs we grew up with, crowded, we did it.

And naturally, you got others that wanna see us hit.

Gangsters don't die, we just turn the legend.

So we go through is hell with the fuckers to heaven.

We live fast and store death as long as possible.

Get our cash and put threats in the hospital.

Gangsters don't die, we just turn the legend.

What we go through is hell with the fuckers to heaven.

We live fast and store debt as long as possible.

Get our cash and put threats in the hospital, captain, hospital, captain, hospital, captain, hospital.

It's Prodigy and Alchemist Legends off the Return of the Mac album, which kind of

set off the producer, rapper

album project of this era.

Rest in peace, Prodigy.

I'm going to, the song is called Night, and the artist is Keshi.

Let's go.

Seem to make a sound.

I keep screaming out

all my body, all the rest I

gave it up.

And all that's left is you.

Try to reach, but I can't move.

I hear you

waiting for the light.

I can't quite use my eyes

when I'm alone.

I hear you calling.

So save me from the light.

Save me,

don't care.

Save me,

closing my eyes.

Save me,

hold me to save me.

Somebody wake me.

Save me from the night.

Terrified,

I can't roll apart to be a sail.

Do I die something

wrong in our time?

I've been on my mind.

I can't pay the price.

Don't worry, pay me

on my

own.

Try to reach it, I can't move

you

for this.

I can't close my eyes

when I'm alone with you.

So save me from the night,

save me.

Oh, give me the light.

Save me,

I'm closing my eyes.

Save me,

hopefully the same me

somebody with me.

Save me from the night.

Cashie Knight.

Nice.

Let's dope.

Most support.

Yeah,

Um, mine is called Can't Let Go by Jane Hancock.

Feels right.

I know that this is wrong.

Creeping in the night,

just Just you and I feel right.

Can't seem to get the fright.

I know that you're no good.

From my mind, my heart, my soul.

When you're near,

I walk into your room.

Morals disappear.

No, my girls can't know just what we do.

We've been been fifth, 11 times.

Said you ran across my mind.

Here I go again, then oh,

can't let go

when you walk away, you talk the way, you know.

Here I go again.

Oh,

can't let go.

I think I'm just at it for your love.

For sure.

Ooh,

it feels right.

I knew it from the start.

You were bound to break my heart.

One hit, and it feels right.

Got a few miracles on the sign.

Why spin the block for you?

Why I'm going to lie,

hide my soul with your near.

What a shame.

I walk into your grown worlds disappearing time.

No, my girls can't know just what we do.

The things you do the way we did it every time.

Since you ran across my mind,

here I go.

Can't let go

when you walk the way, you talk the way, you know.

Oh,

here I go again.

I bet you just had it for your love.

Neck gone for sure.

Oh, you got me.

Running down the street, talking in low.

Think about you and me.

And I can't let you go.

I am in.

I'm in.

I said I'm in.

That is Jane Hancock.

Jane Hancock can't let go.

You can silence me, it's funny.

I would like to, but we can.

We can.

We'll give you a little bet.

How about that?

Since we kicked Aretha's back in, I did a

old music RB.

This is from the Curtis Mayfield Sparkle soundtrack.

This is Aretha Franklin, Something He Could Feel.

Yo, I was...

Wait, yo, hold up, dog.

Yo, Mark.

What?

Mark.

That is a sleeper.

Most people don't know that she was the original.

This generation does not know that Invogue wasn't the first people to make this.

You're 74 years old.

You know that.

Mark, we have a beautiful guest.

I said you could cut it before we started.

But we have a...

It's a good pad, you know what I mean?

It's actually a great cut.

Y'all can pretend it's not a bad thing.

We have a beautiful guest waiting.

Like, we don't have to.

Like, Aretha, yeah, I mean, Aretha, with all due respect.

Y'all all kicked Aretha back in.

I did not.

Except Parks.

I can't even outro the show properly with.

Then cut it.

I'd say for the rip.

If you are.

Yo, can you cut, please?

Cut Aretha Franklin off.

Cut the

greatest singer America's ever produced.

And Dawn and embodied this year.

Shit.

Listen, man, real good show today.

Really, really, really, really good show today, man.

Make some noise for yourself.

uh we want to thank everybody that swung by uh papa joe uh ethan button tray button man buttons

outside and talk to these buttons about what a work what a work day look like

Anyway, man, really good show today.

Remember, if you did not enjoy this show the way we would have liked for you to enjoy it, your opinion doesn't matter, never mattered, won't matter tomorrow, tomorrow, and we'll be back the same exact time next week.

Like, we would hate to let anybody down.

You could count on us, rely on us to be there like blue magic, especially if you didn't like this episode as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you.

I just want to get that out there.

Uh, keep us in your prayers, Lord knows we need to be there.

Hold on, let her get her bag, though.

Hey,

I don't want to have to be a little bit more.

Hallelujah.

Keep us in your prayers.

Lord knows we need to be there.

Until next time,

we bid you adieu.

Farewell, Adios, Areba Dirchie, Ostela Vista.

Whoa!

Light is in the air, light is in the air.

Wait for here, side to side.

We love y'all, man.

Y'all hold it down.

God is is good.

God is good.

Everybody have an amazing weekend.

Stay safe.

Stay blessed.

Nothing.

Nothing.

If I don't.

This is how you cry on the phone.

And they were about to leave him.

Come on, digger.

Y'all hold it down out there.

Listen, anybody doing anything interesting this weekend that we need to hear about?

Let's go, let's go, let's go.

I'm outside.

Weekend players.

I'm out.

Freeze going back outside.

Freeze party.

Freeze birthday party tonight, tonight.

Mel, what you want?

What you want?

I'm working.

All right, big Mel worker.

Ish, what up, what up, ish?

I ain't doing nothing, just hanging up, my baby.

All right, man.

What up?

I'm outside, too.

I'm going to freeze party.

I know you ain't.

Want to go together?

Okay.

You know you scared the North, bro.

But I got you, y'all with me.

Y'all ain't gonna let nothing happen to me out there, right?

That's a great point.

Like I wouldn't let nothing happen to y'all in Jersey City.

You don't go to Jersey City.

You can't stay.

Can I ride?

Yo, don't you?

Yes, you can come.

Can I ride with you?

Sure, definitely.

I'll come pick you up.

In the pink truck?

Shotgun.

Or you can sit on a bottle of back or the other one.

Oh, good pink truck.

In the pink truck, we're going to bring some hypnotic.

Yo, you an idiot, yo.

Some lemon juice.

Nubo.

Yeah, the fuck out of here.

Marks, what you on this weekend?

Mark, what y'all on?

I'm about to.

I'm about to.

I'm about to go.

Mark's going back outside.

That's a fact.

That's a fact.

Mark, what you on, man?

He's going to hit the the floor, too.

Hey, bodies hit the floor.

Mark?

I ain't on nothing, man.

I ain't doing nothing.

All right.

At least lie, nigga.

At least.

You just lie like you.

Give some rest, man.

Huh?

Nope.

No, you need to get somebody.

Yeah, take a nap, bro.

Why don't you need to do this?

Go to sleep.

Turn the internet off.

I'm fucked the Wi-Fi for a little bit.

Yeah.

I'm sleeping the whole time.

Back in one piece, nigga.

Y'all hold it down, man.

We'll be back same time, same place next week.

Last but certainly not least, the baddies are insecure.

The stagnant women want to travel.

When the closed-minded closed-minded women want you to teach them things, grab you a time and all,

you might need it.

Till next time.

I'm so far here, Lee, that flaps.

I ain't gonna lie.

JVP, JVP.

Why would you be without the JVP?