Episode 859 | "The Mikan Drills" (feat. Chance the Rapper)

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Let's pod.

Yes, sir.

Yo, yo, yo, yo.

Phones up, phones up.

Last looks, last looks.

All right, Mark brushed his hair.

Yeah.

That's all you're going to get.

Nah, for real.

When I first seen Mark, his hair wasn't brushed.

I was like, all right, I'm going to see if he brushed it

before we go on.

I brushed it, put on a hoodie, you know.

You looking good.

Yeah, we got your changed clothes.

Yeah, I had to do something.

You're right.

Got your school skulls on?

Well, you know what it is?

I couldn't go to the barber this week.

I had to cancel my barber appointment, and I had to, you know, I've been tied up, so I didn't get to do my normal routine.

That shit is annoying, saying, because I hit my barber, like, yo, I'm trying to slide through.

He's like, I'm in Jamaica.

Nigga, you was just in Cancun two weeks ago.

Yeah.

So now you know, so nigga, get back to work.

Niggas got responsibilities, right?

Yeah, niggas they living their life around the pot.

Oh, well, that's that's the problem.

Well, you know what?

That's part of it.

Stupid, exactly.

Stupid barber.

Yeah, nigga, you're a barber.

You need to be in there.

I need to get right.

No.

You don't got to play a beat?

No, I don't.

Cool.

God says you.

Yo, update your lifestyle, yo.

Cool.

Gotta have it.

Update your lifestyle.

Yeah, I told you about going to the barbershop years ago.

You still want to go in there and shoot the shits.

Have them come on over, put the kids up to bed, get the little chair.

I ordered one from Instagram.

They robbed me.

It still ain't here.

You ordered a barber chair?

Yeah.

I ain't even gonna say the name of the chair, but I ordered it.

Shit trash.

They told me it was coming.

They got the lean back.

They told me

it has everything.

It's just fire.

But I don't have it.

It's not fire.

They told me it was gun.

I I fell for one of them Instagram ads.

Why did you buy it on Instagram?

Oh, my God.

Well, no, no, it was one of them Instagram ads, but my barber gassed it.

My barber that comes to my house.

He gassed it.

So I bought it instead of we using a restoration hardware chair, some bullshit.

So I ordered the chair.

They told me it would come in six months.

And in eight months, it never came.

So I emailed them.

Where the fuck was that coming from?

You getting it made?

Where do you think?

Over there.

Yeah, man, Big T.

What are you talking about, dude?

somewhere right there right now

coming across the Pacific right now.

If you're ordering furniture, yeah, be prepared to wait.

Be prepared to wait.

Yeah, six months is normal.

Yeah.

Yeah, if you're ordering furniture, that's very normal.

So

I need to take it home same day.

Yeah, you should.

I wait for you.

But I keep telling you the pit days are over.

Thank God.

I keep trying to find different ways to let you know, but nothing is being as effective.

They told me, they told me six months, eight months, I emailed them.

Where my shit at?

They emailed me back.

We've been trying to get in touch with you.

No, yeah.

No, you wasn't.

No, you wasn't.

But we're having trouble where we get our materials from because of the tariffs.

We're done.

Luckily, we found a new spot to get our materials from.

We're going to ship this out

in 16 weeks.

Four more months.

Four more months.

You know what?

Yo, some niggas, even if you rob me, I'm cool with it.

No, you got to communicate.

Yo, you got it, big dog.

So they got me.

It is what it is.

There you go.

What's the most normal thing you do, Dan?

If you don't go to the barber's shop, right?

And I go to the barber shop, but I make a private appointment, so I ain't got to do some of the shenanigans.

So I can still feel normal?

Like, what's the normal thing you do?

Oh, these niggas got too much money.

Like, like, get shit.

Our hair.

What?

No, we invest our money properly.

Oh, okay.

Oh.

Don't start.

Versus y'all.

You don't start.

What?

Y'all do that shit where you just put it all in your pocket.

Excuse me?

Go ahead.

You can't put it all in your pocket, is what we're saying.

It's worth making a private appointment with your barber to not see pedestrians when you're getting your lineup.

I enjoy seeing my people, though.

My people.

All right.

I fuck with the people at the shop.

Keep it up to them.

You hate that shit, man.

When they start pod saying, what about that?

He complained every time.

He complained every time.

That ain't always the case, though.

I know these niggas for 20 years.

We all have appointments.

You said just so I could feel normal.

No, I mean,

I don't want to not do normal shit.

There's some shit I...

Because normally you're not normal.

Yeah, you're not normal.

No,

I know that I do some bougie shit to avoid conversations, certain things.

But then there's other shit I do so that I don't feel like that's my whole life.

Like I'll go to a gym, even though it's annoying sometimes because your people are always walking up with me.

Or like the barbershop, I'll do it, but just a certain way.

You know what I mean?

But it sounds like Joe don't do anything.

I don't hear you.

Everything I do is to avoid conversations with people.

That was before you were rich, too, though, not for nothing.

Yeah, no, i'm not saying that's a new thing

it's just easier to do it now got it sure

but the newark boy couch paints that as something i don't paint it as anything that's that's nothing wrong rock it out well let me ask y'all the opposite what's the bougie shit y'all what's the shit you do that that would make you look like you was out like extra to person i got a follow-up question too right after you answer that one

lately um i i'll tell y'all i told ish because i believe we make the jokes on the pod and shit i've been quit flying

economy and all of that shit.

And now it's first class sitting in the lounge.

Oh, you do the lounge too?

Yeah, I do the lounge too.

The lounge is the extra part.

I don't want to see.

Yeah.

All right, that's awesome.

Good for you.

What you do when the barber

tilts your chair back?

There you go.

Come on.

I knew it.

I knew it was the barber question.

What you do when the barber tilts your chair back and you got your eyes closed just chilling, but the nigga he owe money to

came up to him, and now they having that conversation while your eyes closed.

My barber stand up.

Why you laying back?

Why you laying back like cancer?

You hear the bullshit started.

You're like, oh, shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, yeah.

Tough ass.

Mr.

I like my people.

What you do there?

The nigga go from giving you the eucalyptus

bomb, my nigga.

I'm telling you.

When I was going to be a bad person.

I'm going to fuck with you.

I'm going to got somebody in the chair, my nigga.

Where my brand at?

No, when I was being regular, trying to be regular.

Trying to be regular, get you robbed.

Yes.

Beat up all type of shit.

I was going to my little Patterson barber shop.

I was leaning back.

I was asleep.

I think I ain't get no sleep the night before.

Somebody came in there talking mad aggressive to this nigga.

I woke up and started listening.

I was like,

number one.

If this escalate, my little short Dominican barber can't do nothing with this angry nigga.

And I ain't really in the position to do nothing with him either, lay back like this.

Not just that.

Nor do I want to.

I wanted to go home with you.

I don't know you like that.

I ain't no bread.

I'm gonna make my lineup game nice, but you ain't my mate.

And then my next thought is, yo, these ain't thoughts I should be having.

Right.

I'm getting a haircut.

Right.

You know what?

I'm gonna fix this.

We're gonna.

There's gonna be no more of this one.

I'm going right to Inglewood from now on.

All right, what you do when the barber put his foot on the little thing to lower your chair and then he put his balls on top of your elbow.

That's why I thought she was going to be able to get to the bottom.

And now you want to move, but that's going to make you look homophobic.

That's it.

You can't just move.

That don't make you look homophobic.

It does, kind of.

No, no, it don't harden your balls.

It does.

Yo, man, get your nuts off me.

Yo, you know your barber ain't trying to ain't trying to put his balls.

You know, that.

I don't care, nigga.

Yo, dog, your barber's not trying.

Hopefully.

He might.

You should find a new barber.

Rice arbiter.

Ice barber?

You know how many times I I told a chick she needs to find a new weed dealer?

Yo.

Yo.

Bitches subscribe.

Yo.

You ever listen to a chick that smoke weed?

Yep.

No.

And their means,

but their means of copping?

Oh, yeah.

Like, how?

Yo.

Drunk that live right upstairs on the fourth floor.

I let him in in the morning.

And my boyfriend don't know about him, but sometimes I go see him.

He give me free weed all month.

I bet.

All month he give me free weed.

As long as I go up there with these um

shorts on coochie cutters, basically

coochie out.

That's all I gotta do.

If y'all girl smoked, would you let her go get free weed?

No, no, no.

So you would pay for the weed?

Yes.

Y'all suckers.

Hey,

hey, whatever you want.

Oh, y'all suckers.

Y'all gonna build somebody's business?

Yes.

Yes.

Support local business.

God damn right.

That's how the

community is.

That's how the money circulates in the community.

That's true.

That's true.

I'm buying in bulk, too.

Money circulates in the community, nigga.

Oh, my God.

Fuck that.

Free nothing.

Pothead chicks are funny.

Huh?

Pothead chicks are funny.

Yeah, they're the best.

Shout out to the pothead chicks.

No, they're the best kind of.

Yeah.

They just got to take that little sip of water before they get to doing this shit.

Drink a gallon.

Sometimes.

Hey, mind y'all.

Sometimes

they'll drink.

When they ain't drinking enough water.

Sometimes that shit make a nice rue.

That's a different nasty right there, son.

Oh, my God.

What?

That is

to be a little hardier.

Yo, that is disgusting, bro.

That's the

kind of podcast.

You are in Buffalo.

That's an upstate.

You are in Cape Man, yo.

What?

You was in Rochester.

That Ruby hidden, though.

Barks is right.

I'm good.

You ever sleep with somebody that's

drunk?

So in the morning, they're waking up with all the last night on their breath.

And you just start tonguing them down.

That shit's like sometimes.

You want to taste that hypnotic, whatever she was drinking.

That 19 fuck

blended with the saliva.

But y'all don't like the hangover fuck?

Yes.

Not that.

I love the hangover.

Yeah, not that.

Hangover fuck is different than hangover breath.

Nick said hangover tongue kiss.

Your breath stick junk?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cool.

I'm cool.

Y'all ain't never been with the headbuster.

They catch you before you can run to the bathroom.

What are y'all talking about?

You ain't had time to go to the bathroom.

Y'all both stinking bed.

Yeah, grow down.

Oh, I done did it a million times.

That's why I hate light-skinned pre-eye niggas.

Get the fuck out this torment, nigga.

We're talking about nasty shit.

You good?

Sober ass goose.

You want to keep sleeping with accountants.

No, no, baby.

Don't grab your briefcase yet.

Shut up, nigga.

With the Listerine right by the bed.

Yeah, yeah.

He sleep with the bitches that steal the fucking travel Listerine from the

airplane, bring it home, use it, toss it back.

All that.

Yo, on Instagram,

I seen an ad.

Somebody came up with pre-pasted little brushes, toothbrushes.

There's like a hundred of them in a bag.

Oh, with two.

Oh, there we got the toothpaste on them.

Not a bad idea.

That's not a bad idea.

Not a bad bad

pre-pasted tooth miniature toothbrushes that are pre-pasted.

Yeah, disposable.

Yeah.

Hunting in a bag.

It's not terrible.

Not the worst idea.

That's all I'm saying.

This is not an ad.

Yeah.

Not mad at that.

All right.

How's everybody feeling, man?

How are you doing, man?

How you feeling?

Excellent.

Feeling good.

You're looking to be here.

Happy to have y'all.

I assume I know what the first topic is.

So, I mean,

did everyone see?

Of course.

Of course.

This ain't watch this shit.

Not at all.

No.

Vision watch it at all.

And no one's funny.

When I text him, because I text him, text the Android separately from the group chat.

He hit me with some brother Ali shit.

No, for sure.

No doubt.

Got you.

Got you for sure.

Did you watch it?

Joe didn't tell me to watch anything.

Joe's lying.

Uh-oh.

Phone's on.

Joe's lying.

Uh-oh.

Uh-oh.

Erickson, I'm going to send you the text.

I'm going to send it to you so so you can put it on your hand.

And then we got to play the little...

Yeah.

Dan, he's absolutely right.

Oh.

He's right.

Oh, got him.

Oh, yep, got him.

He's right.

Got him.

He's right.

I'm wrong.

I confuse texts.

I text him about our guest today.

I confuse him.

He is right.

I am wrong.

For the people that have never heard me say it.

I'm a growth, boy.

For the people that have never heard me say it.

Y'all ain't gonna clap?

No.

Nah.

Accountability, Joe?

Man.

Nah, that's dope.

Y'all, I'm talking by myself.

You niggas is fucking crazy.

You think you got more accountability than me?

I didn't answer that.

I didn't answer that.

Do you think you have more accountability than Joseph Anthony Button Jr.?

Nah, you.

You, mere mortal Antoine.

Do you think you have more accountability

than Thanos me?

That's the problem.

You don't think that.

That's the problem.

You don't think you think you Thanos.

Thanos didn't have no accountability.

It's all right, dog.

Could we move along?

Why Thanos didn't have accountability?

He did.

He had all accountability, actually.

He knew what he was doing and copped to it.

Yeah.

No, he justified the bullshit.

That is what people that don't take accountability do.

No, I don't look at it like that.

I bet.

But I also feel like Thanos made sense.

Yeah, I was on his side.

He wasn't on Lori Rose.

Huh?

He wasn't on Los Angeles.

Yeah, I thought Thanos made a lot of sense.

I was on a lot of the villain side the more I look back.

You don't know Thanos is?

I hear the references.

I never watched it.

Okay.

You don't watch shit, boy.

You just been.

He's just been.

I watched that damn catfish documentary.

Y'all made me watch something.

I went home and watched that shit that night.

That shit was crazy.

That shit was crazy.

And the mom?

That mom was a psycho.

That was crazy.

They came in the restaurant while she was holding the kid.

Yeah, I watched this shit.

She was crazy.

You see it?

Oh, yeah, she was.

Yeah.

Shit blew my mind.

Nah, when the cop blew the lid,

she hung the door.

They let her, you just let her do that.

Yo, dad came in, like, like,

get her out of here.

I'm going to jail.

I'm telling y'all, take her, or I'm going to jail.

That's it.

And he wasn't wrong.

No, I'm not with him.

Yeah, but it seemed like it was for every reason but what she did to him.

Oh, that's a fact.

He was, hold on, hold up.

So you got fired how long ago?

Yeah.

From your house.

You got a job?

Yeah.

He couldn't even sit down no more.

They lost their house and all that shit.

Yeah,

what?

Yeah.

I like the new shit Netflix is doing where they're going to have a confessional with the person that's guilty.

That was the crazy shit to me because she's talking through the shit.

It was fucking my head up.

Yeah.

I had to go back and watch it again now.

Now that I know, I said, all right.

Let me go run it one more time.

It was really.

She's bat shit crazy.

Yeah, nuts.

Even though,

I mean.

Yo, God.

Oh, God.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm not on mom's side.

I'm not doing the

listen to both sides thing.

I'm saying, even though all that was going on and neither parent bothered to change her phone number.

So that really was the tall tell here.

Yeah.

Bro, and then they just

not changing the phone number, though.

Yeah, exactly.

I didn't get that part.

Like, this was only happening via text.

Yeah.

But it wouldn't have mattered because the parents

had the new number.

Moms had the new number.

Moms was wild.

And moms don't went and hit the new girl.

Yo, the new girl moms.

You hit the new girlfriend.

I mean, the new girlfriend's mom.

mom.

Yeah.

You got him looking smutty in the street.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I feel bad for dude.

Dude was like a quarterback.

He was cool.

He couldn't get no rhythm.

He was fucked up.

He couldn't get no rhythm.

My little brother's in college getting rhythm.

My little brother is in college exploring.

That poor girl.

What?

We ain't even got to do it.

No, no, no.

I'm on y'all side now.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm on y'all side.

Sorry.

Cool.

Sorry,

that's twice?

all right now i'm gonna clap now i'm gonna clap

you lying

oh yeah y'all another another 20 dropped in there so something

happened something happened

something happened they got accountability

gay people work for me right now

i'm definitely around gay people every day because they work for me

Man,

get him as soon as he tried.

I seen Richie get all they feel for niggas some hours after he died.

Hold on, city be rapping niggas who rap.

These fans be watching the live, and I'm pushing P.

Beef em with my Drake.

I'm pushing T.

I go to Flavors, I'm in Chicago.

My brother the owner, I'ma eat him for free.

Hard of me any cash around, so stop telling niggas you bigger than me.

I'm giving money, he get the money.

Feel like Big Me, just shout out.

Throw your hood up, bitch, you battin' battle.

Neath that robbery truck, put me on that list.

I gotta have it.

Corner, see Cardi and Nikki with her.

In the city, I ride my Vicky.

How you mad, she be poppin' her titties.

How you mad, I pop the scripts with a motherfucker.

Might check one, two, one, two.

Might check one, two, one, two.

There's nothing copy.

check go

in the odd party you did not go

he spinnin' spinnin' spinnin' spinning on repeat

he spinnin' spinnin' spinnin' spinning can't even breathe hey when he on the streets better call on god

Mike check, one, two, one, two.

Jersey City, what's really though?

I am what I am.

What I'm not, see, I never beat.

Niggas whooping up, into the neat.

Catch him like it with him on TV.

And if I should die, I'm pushing the murder rate.

My niggas go slight every day.

He be talking that shit, I can't wait.

I am what I am.

What I'm not seeing I never beat.

Niggas whooping up, get to eat.

Catch him like it for him on TV.

In the teeth,

I'm warm now.

Keep it up in that shit, I can't wait.

Schmerk,

big bird.

You was there.

You was there.

Yeah, I did it.

Bitch, I got my own.

Fight on these security in the club.

All they woke up,

yeah.

I ain't got nowhere to go.

I shot up every

Niggas who ain't got shit going, go grab a glaze and get alert.

Try to G-post R.I.P.

I had a breeze in the dirt.

Brrrrr, you gotta know I go too far.

Got two O's up on the honey.

One of them might stand for O-Block.

I got 20, some shots left up in the cake.

15 still in the Glock.

Leave my door unlocked and stop.

I like getting no feedback.

Mark Laws, they wasn't playing this at Princeton, huh?

Nah, I know.

Wasn't playing this over at Boston College, nobody.

I ain't talking about it.

Get that ass strong.

Watch out get the club.

I'm a missing star, I'm a bumble.

Politic, what's going on out there?

Florida, what up?

Carolina, what up?

Come on, who the boss, limited brick and ball.

What up out there?

Mo the boss, I'm in.

Kansas

I'm never lacking through the hood, sitting on 24.

TV playing, rim spinning, blowing plenty drop.

Don't have to meet you when you pimpin', you get plenty holy.

It's all on you, if you gon' trigger, you gon' get your joke.

I know I got these haters mad, I can love that.

When you got love for the streets, they hear your love bad.

Look in my eyes, you can tell I ain't never scared.

Popping them things, I'm rockin' my chain anywhere.

If you gon' replace your hood, what you waiting on?

Security better back up when they play this song.

And we about 50 strong, please don't make us do your wrong.

I click the door.

I'm about ready to rock.

I'm bad ready to rock out there.

All that means.

The levels, the levels, the levels is good.

Shout out to Patroli, all the shotguns out there.

All the hate was down.

Now where you from?

Who the boss?

I'ma break it off.

Where you from?

Who the boss?

Let me break it more.

I hit you.

Let me cut it off, man.

Let me cut it off, man.

You see what you had to before that next verse.

Listen, I'll play that whole shit.

Nah, nah, we good.

We ain't got to do that.

We ain't got to do it.

Cause then you play next one.

You got to play the third one.

I just said I would play the whole shit.

Listen, we made peace with Chief Keith over there, Blow New Jersey upline.

That is a fact.

We could play the lines.

We could play the songs.

If Kiss and Beans could do an album, I'm playing all the songs with verses that some of y'all might have been mad at.

Put these drops out the way for the best crew in the world.

What's that?

It's Mark the Bar Hill.

Pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy.

All right, what episode is this?

859.

Welcome to episode 859 of the Joe Button podcast.

Brought to you by a few, by power, by Price Pitch, Price, Fitch, gang you

i'm your humble gracious grateful happy to be here host joe button and the gang is all here uh we're here for a good time not a long time so let's let's not waste any time what's up yo how y'all doing great excellent we good great yeah great good how are you doing couldn't be better word couldn't be better it's that time of year

yeah it's that time of year it's that time of year it's hard to feel bad when the weather's like this

my whole house sick it's easy to feel bad oh damn oh whoa whoa whole house sick whole house sick the dog sick Damn.

The whole house is sick.

First day of school, everybody came home sick.

Fuck.

I was like, I'm sorry.

Quarantine yourself.

My immune system.

I don't really get sick like that.

It's very rare.

No, I'm just saying.

Super flex.

It's dope because now.

Super flex.

Somebody could be okay.

Flex over there.

Kids sick.

Everybody's sick.

Yeah, but what about your immune system?

Tell them.

Stop playing with Freeze, yo.

Y'all thought he had a regular immune system.

He has.

He did.

I ain't get the X-ray vision, but it helped my immune system.

Wait, that's where that list ends of things you didn't get?

No, I was trying to get, remember the lights thing?

You missed it.

So all the time.

I'm slow.

It's fine.

Yeah, I'm chilling, man.

I feel good.

Say?

I feel good.

Mark, how you doing?

I feel great.

I feel great.

I had a good weekend.

Got to hang out a little bit, relax a little bit.

Didn't have to travel for a long time.

For the first time in a long time, went down to Philly, got to hang out with my frat brothers at a little cookout.

I ain't been a barbecue all summer.

So you still travel too?

But I've been like, driving to Philly ain't like flying to Denver.

You know what I mean?

That's easy.

I mean, I don't even consider that travel no more.

You know what I'm saying?

I had a good time, man.

And today is my anniversary.

Oh, happy anniversary.

So,

my marriage anniversary.

You got it.

Make some noise for that.

Yes.

Make some noise for that.

How many years?

Just two.

Okay.

Just two.

We've been together a long time, but you know, married two.

That's cool.

So I'm trying to figure out.

So we're going to go to dinner tonight.

Okay.

And

I don't know what else I should do.

I was going to ask you, Parks.

God.

Because you don't get gifts.

Do you do gifts?

You don't do gifts.

No, they do that.

They have that thing where you're supposed to do a wood thing and a paper thing.

I don't do that.

We don't do that shit.

Okay.

I could see this.

A nice dinner date.

He's talking about

his marriage, so I can't even say my jokes.

No, go ahead.

No, no, no.

I love that.

I love the guy, but you just can't tell when a nigga ain't laying it down no more.

That nigga.

You got me.

Flowers.

He's trying to do, come up with shit.

Helicopter rides.

Hey, you ain't got to do all that.

Just lay the pipe right there.

Yeah, see.

Go have dinner.

I mean, let's go a long way.

Light a candle.

Yeah.

This is

what bad dudes.

To get you.

Play a song that shit.

Heard in a while.

Yeah.

Find some little cute romantic shit.

That's all.

That's good.

Go on Amazon.

Order the search sex toys.

Find her vibe.

All that shit work before.

Pun intended.

Oh, that shit work before you get married.

Okay.

Speak to it.

Nigga,

I'm out of my world.

I'm out of my world.

Out of my world.

Yeah, just buy some keto romantic shit.

I think that'll go a little bit low.

That's what I think.

I think she's...

We're on the same wavelength and shit like that, but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't no major marriage anniversary shit I was missing.

Yeah, I was never a fan of that whole gift paper, wood, silver thing.

It's weird to me.

Yeah, I'm good on that.

Okay.

You're supposed to, it's like a different material for every year that you're married.

That whole traditional shit.

I thought it's five, ten.

Like every year.

That's every year.

That's really every year.

Oh, damn.

That falls under like the everyday is a holiday internet thing to me, where it's like, is this a real thing or is this something the internet made up to make us do some extra shit?

Construct.

Yeah.

My partner, Corey.

Bullshit.

Corey thinks everything construct.

Modern medicine is a construct.

I mean,

he over the nine now.

Yeah, exactly.

The second anniversary gift is supposed to be cotton.

That's the traditional.

Cotton.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Whoa, whoa.

Yo, you cool?

I'm telling you what this shit says.

Yo, you cool.

I pulled up the list.

You on

master.com?

Oh, yeah.

Master.com.

Yo, your algorithms are different than ours.com.

Speaking of algorithms, I watched all the

cult docs this weekend, and my algorithms are fucked up now.

My YouTube is insane right now.

What's your favorite cult?

What thing you saw?

You killed in the pyramid.

He ain't getting there.

He ain't going right there.

What was the best one?

The best one, I think, was the HBO one.

I think.

It was People.

People did it.

Yeah, that was the best one.

Oh, that's a good one.

Is that the name of it?

People did it.

It was a people cult.

People, the magazine, did a whole, it's a whole series about cults, but they did a specific one about Mark's experience.

Oh, say less.

Say less.

Because I still ain't read about Megas.

I sent you a residuals.

I thought I saw you in the background of one of the pictures, but I wasn't trying.

I still didn't read it.

It could have been about Megas.

It could have been.

Residuals.

I will be watching this tonight.

Yeah, yeah.

You get royalties like the doc.

Only residuals got his hepatitis, man.

That shit sounded insane.

Don't say that ever again.

I'm glad you're all right.

That shit sounded crazy.

Yeah, they did some, yeah, they did some awful things.

Like I said, nothing awful happened to me, so I didn't leave with anything that I didn't come with.

Were you there till the end?

You're still a survivor.

Not the exact end.

I left like maybe

like eight months before, nine months before.

Like I got the call from Philly, like, yo, they locked him up.

They got him.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, I got the call.

I was in Philly with some of the.

You were cool with the alien part?

Yeah.

Got you.

Yeah.

Got you.

Yeah.

I mean, I...

Especially the Atlanta chapters, right?

I'm not trying to be funny.

Oh, oh, cuz it's like AT aliens?

No, but that shit was big in Atlanta.

Yeah, yeah.

It was big.

It was big.

It was big everywhere.

I mean, you know what it was?

It was like, I...

I believed it was possible.

I think stuff is possible.

Sure.

There's no reason to believe aliens aren't possible.

There's no science to refute it.

Now, if there was science to refute it or thousands of years of evidence to refute it, I would feel differently.

But if it's the idea that there's something in the world that I don't know, sure.

Got it.

Yeah, I was with it.

You know.

So you guys should watch the docs.

That's what I took.

How many did you watch?

I watched three.

All pertaining to correct call.

And I'm looking for more.

And they're giving that.

There's four you might fucking strike.

Text me the three you watch.

Or text me the three you watch.

Three, third.

Yeah, but we talk about it.

Yeah, yeah, but we have to.

We're talking a lot in there.

If you go to the links, it's just right in there.

All right.

so that's what I'll do there.

Yeah, yeah.

Because I do want to see Miz.

I want to see Miz.

If you watch it, I will send y'all some.

I've watched too many of those cult docs, so I can't remember them the way I'd like to.

But the one where everybody's self-transitioned at a certain concept.

The Jim Jones one of the Heavens Gate one.

Jim Jones.

Jim Jones.

Yeah, he got it.

Was it that one?

Oh, it might have been Heaven's Gate, too.

They were Heaven's Gate.

Heavens Heavens Gate was going to be the one that was

Heaven's Gate.

Yeah, yeah.

We used to watch that one.

That was like on our Pinterest board.

Like when I was in the cult?

Wait, what?

We used to talk about the cult.

Excuse me?

Not literally.

You don't watch the other cult shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got to go.

Yo, look how they do.

You didn't realize that you were in one of them.

No, that's the point.

That was gaming.

That's watching games footage.

You got to watch the game footage.

Yo, that cult is kicking our ass right now, yo.

We got to turn this shit up.

Pyramids.

What the fuck are you talking about?

No, you know what it is?

When you watch other cults, and you look at the differences, so you be like, you know what?

They're a cult, and here's why.

And then they point out the things that we don't do to show why we're not a cult.

How was the nightclub?

Club Ramsey's?

You know, I was the driver for Club Ramseys.

Oh, my God.

Y'all have to watch this stuff.

I used to bring the acts.

That's actually how I first got into

getting into music journalism.

I would start to meet the acts, and we would drive up, and I would interview them and talk to them and all this other shit.

And I was like, oh, music is really dope.

And I started getting into it.

But yeah, I love Club Ramsey's until they shut it down.

I promise y'all, I will not return to work without the fact.

Oh, no, no, no, no.

This is tonight.

It's on the board like the thug interview.

This is tonight.

I'm a rewatcher about this guy right here.

Oh, yeah.

No, I'm in it now.

No.

Club Ramses.

I'm so amazed.

Egypt, yeah, Pyramids.

Yeah, Ramesses.

I get it, Pharaoh.

He was Pharaoh.

Source.

Don't ever call me.

Your vibe was weird, and yet

everyone felt it.

Oh, shit.

Nice transition.

Speaking of Atlanta.

All right.

So here we are, face to face, a couple of silver spoons.

Yo, dope.

It's time.

How do you hide that shit in your merch world?

I think that's one of the best theme songs of all time.

Open the fire together.

We're going to find a way.

And homeboy that wrote that, I think, wrote like...

17 of our favorite theme song.

Most of the jiggles were written by a handful of people.

Yeah.

Yeah, including Alan Thick.

He had slaps.

Yeah, he had slaps.

Carol King wrote a lot of people.

Carol King.

Johnny Mathis.

I'm a fan of that type of stuff.

Yo, that whole

of them.

Family ties, all of them.

Those shits were all slaps.

They were slaps, yo.

Yeah.

Actually, fuck that.

And Carol King bodied the Gilmore Girls.

Carol King is like one of the greatest songwriters in the century.

Dog, The Facts of Life.

Yeah, that's good.

Like, these are slaps.

Yeah.

Somebody's got to be creative to come up with this stuff.

Anyway, we're off on a tangent.

Yeah.

Young Thug, Big Banks interview.

I text most of you, asked you to watch it.

Thank you.

Probably would have watched it.

I would have watched it.

It was a long watch.

It was three hours.

It was, but I wouldn't have watched all of it if you hadn't assigned it for homework.

But I'm glad I did.

It was great.

It was really, it was really good.

It was one of my favorite real hip-hop interviews in a long time that wasn't on this platform, of course.

Same.

Yeah.

Same.

Also.

And yo,

all right, so the first 30 seconds, I was like, what the fuck Joe got me watching, right?

Because I was like, I wanted to hear Thug, but I was like, who is this interviewer?

Because I was like, this don't seem like a traditional interview.

He was amazing.

He was amazing.

So what I saw was a lot of my people that I know from Atlanta,

even before this was announced, saying, yo, Bank got to be the one to interview Thug.

Like they were saying that, like, if he sits with somebody, it has to be him.

Got you.

So I didn't know why.

I'm not familiar either, but I understood once I watched it.

Well, without knowing any of that, right?

Just seeing him, like I'm familiar with him from Big Facts.

Okay.

But

him

by himself with all this knowledge, just wealth of knowledge of all this Atlanta shit.

Oh my God.

And he, I love the tone he set from the interview from start to finish.

Yes.

From start to finish.

It wasn't just an interview.

It was, you could tell, he, you could tell this person cares he cares.

Yeah, it was therapy damn.

He cares.

You're talking to somebody that cares about you, that cares about Atlanta, that cares about some of the people that are adversarial to you.

Like,

it was great.

This might have been my favorite piece of content

since the Cat Williams shit.

Yeah, I'm with you.

I'm with you.

I'm with you.

And he didn't jump right into the street shit.

He started with his childhood.

He started with like Jeff.

Let's separate Jeffrey from young thug.

Yeah.

When did you first feel betrayal?

What was your upbringing like?

That's his first memory.

His first memory.

I was like, that's a good motherfucker.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I was just like, yeah, I'm locked in.

Immediately, I'm like, okay, not only has Bank been to therapy, but he's conducting a class.

He's conducting a class in front of us.

He did.

Yeah.

We're not even starting this like an interview.

We want to get to the start.

Most therapists will start at the tip, tip, tippy top, and let's see where.

You became you at.

And when he told that story of his father, of his brother getting killed in front of him

and how he made sense of it.

Because the story went in the direction I didn't expect in terms of how his brother died, right?

And it was tragic and it was awful.

But to hear him talk about what he saw and what he had to witness and how that set him on his course, I was this explained so much to me.

And it also explains the kind of healing we got to do.

But that shit was, it was fire.

Yeah, what he took from that.

Right.

I don't even, it's so many plays, it's so much I took from this sit-down.

I don't even know where I want to start.

But what he took from that, even with the story about his sister, him wearing his sister's

clothes,

and then she had to damn near drop out of school.

It's like he's painting a very vivid picture up top, yeah.

Of

but, and what he took from that, like when he watched his brother die, like he took that as the holy grail, yeah,

of oh, this is how we're rocking now.

Yeah,

um,

I want to start, I want to start with

one

I

feel him.

I feel him.

Like now that he's spoken for himself,

he said a lot.

All of the interviews I saw.

He went over a lot.

And even if I disagree with some of the things that he said and some of his trains of thought,

I feel him.

I understand.

You can see how he got there.

And understand how he got there.

It's not foreign to me.

also, I want to say

he's brilliant, yeah,

and solid.

Yo, yeah, I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna

he is brilliant.

The shit that I saw,

like you're saying, I was feeling it.

Like, I'm rocking with the nigga.

Like, yeah, he just seemed like I would befriend him.

Yeah, like if I grew up around him, like, you know what I mean?

That would have been my man.

Like, yo, we would have been, you know what I'm saying?

Cool.

I would have stayed far the fuck away from him.

However,

you'd respected him.

He's brilliant.

Like,

I always say that there's gonna be some people

from different walks of life

that may not carry it the way you're used to them carrying it for society to identify you a certain way.

You're gonna run into the people with all the words.

You're gonna run into the people with all of the degrees.

You're gonna run into the people with all the experience and the

worldly travels

some people process information differently his processor is different yes for sure that's what i got very early on in this

the way that he processes and retains information and then executes how to go about that in this whatever adaptation is that he created

is brilliant.

It is.

From all of that street shit to carrying it to all of the record label shit

to identifying talent to helping the talent to helping, that's the other thing that stood out for me about him.

And he said it.

You can tell that he gets off helping others.

Yeah.

And it makes sense of a lot of the phone calls that we've seen in regards to looking at people funny for not putting people on.

You know, hearing it, people were alarmed, and how dare you talk about so-and-so like this.

But he's really about that.

Yeah, that's who he is.

Hey, this whole interview, my main thing is how absolutely necessary it was.

Like, we've been sitting here tearing him apart for all these phone conversations and tweets and all that shit.

But it's easy to do that if you don't know the whole picture.

Or if you, yeah, you don't have everything in its entirety.

Nobody heard his side.

Yeah, right.

Or his story, really.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, fuck the sides in whatever beefs he's going through like what's your story right he got that out the way quick for me i wasn't even there for that like

listen he's and he said uh

well i'm not quoting him but he basically said there were days in there that i was hopeless and i didn't think i didn't have optimism yeah and i lost track of who i was my character and i was just talking yeah i appreciated that yeah honesty accountability Accountability.

Accountability.

Vulnerability.

Yeah.

Vulnerability.

I totally understood that.

Oh, go ahead.

No, go ahead.

One of the takeaways for me because prior to the interview, he was getting killed online for saying,

on one hand, it was, I didn't tell my brother to take the plea

on the conversation with 21 Savage.

No, I didn't tell him to take that plea.

And then he says he told him.

So they're like, oh, he's lying.

Here's proof right here.

His credibility is shot.

The way he addressed that, yeah a person who ain't never been in that won't even understand it right like he broke it down yo dog if i'm on the phone with this nigga and i say yes i told him to take the plea that's a that's another charge right so i got it he don't even know the question he's asking me i gotta say no right like i just like how he put a lot of shit to bed yeah like some people might not believe him That could be a I believed him, but I can see I believed him.

I believed him.

But I'm just saying, at the very least, that was the best answer I could have imagined.

I didn't know what he was going to say to this.

I believed him 100%.

Me too.

If I know what's happening and I say this, I'm already looking at this right here.

I've been talking to my lawyer.

My lawyer is him.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know.

I know not to say that.

You know what I'm saying?

My worry was if he could, because he was saying now the trial's over, he can say that.

And I was like, can you?

I was more worried about him getting into more trouble afterward.

That's the only thing I was worried about with him having that conversation.

But I believed him.

And I said, I didn't expect that good of an answer for anybody.

And it sounds like he's very aware of what is, whether it's from his lawyer lawyer or not.

Like, he's aware of what's

legal.

It sounds like he's got great guidance and a great head on his shoulders in general.

So I wouldn't worry about that so much.

I said, now I'm super tight.

I ain't watching this shit.

But all the clips that I saw, they kind of resonated with me.

And he sounded like to

sometimes when somebody gets to a certain level of success and you hear them speak, you'd be like,

I could see.

He seems to teach a little bit.

But no, I could see how

he could get to a certain level of success i see how he could also be a leader of people yeah like some people that could really really speak bro like not trying to be funny all that cult all the a lot of times when you see politicians pimps uh preachers they can speak really really well to where they'll pull you in and i can see how he could have a following

Yeah,

if you were taking the time to understand everything he was trying to say, there were some points where he was just talking in our language.

Like, he wasn't necessarily articulating what he was trying to say.

But you got it.

But you knew what he was trying to say.

You got the point across.

I got a lot of points to get to with this.

I'll start with some of the more light-hearted points.

I already know.

I'm just starting with...

I do have serious points to get you.

Okay.

Gotcha.

And this is serious, too.

But just on the lighthearted side of things, and y'all know me so well.

Yep.

There's something to be said for those of y'all that

are still fucking women that are starstruck.

That phone call with Homegirl,

where

I can't believe y'all are still fucking girls that are starstruck.

I will say, though,

I'm with you.

And that particular phone call, though, he's locked up.

I know certain people that have been like, you just talking on the phone tonight.

Whatever you could talk about.

And I had this conversation yesterday.

Dog.

I didn't, I laughed.

Like, I didn't take, if he was out and that call happens.

Yeah, that's looked at totally different.

I agree with that.

Being locked in like that and making that call, this goofy ass girl, giggling and shit.

There's only one problem with what you're saying, but I want to address that problem after I finish talking about fucking bitches that are starstruck.

Because that's a fair point.

I want us to ping pong that.

I can't believe y'all are still fucking girls that are starstruck.

The same way they say it take you 10 seconds, it take a guy 10 seconds, 20 seconds to know if he would sleep with you or not, it only take the same amount of time to know who you should not be sleeping with.

Like, he clearly on the phone in jail trying to have phone sex.

Clearly.

He trying to get you there.

You know what he's trying to do.

He like, yeah, girl.

You like, he like, no, what else get wet?

And she like, oh, my God, I can't believe it's you.

Yo, dog, hang up, hang up now.

Hang up now.

She.

There's no reason to continue talking.

And you got your dick in your hand and she's just on the phone giggling because you are who you are.

Hey, from me to you, stop fucking the girl that starstruck over you.

That's rule number one.

Dangerous game.

Rule number one.

It's dangerous.

It's slippery slow.

For y'all that don't have experience.

You should not be doing it.

I don't give a fuck how famous you are.

It's dangerous and it's bad.

There's a difference between fans and someone who's starstruck.

That's number one.

Number two, we get to freeze this point

which typically would be correct however this is the same girl that had a fight with your girlfriend in a club

this is the same girl that your girlfriend has caught charges over if you telling me that you him

No, that's not the girl that you should be having phone sex with while you in jail.

Oh, that's crazy.

What if you look at you?

Nigga.

No, I'm not crazy to anybody that want to keep their girl.

This is the point.

I'm looking at life.

You can't whoop the doodle.

Hey, he said it.

Hey, oh, oh, great.

No, no, no, no, no.

I know what he said about that.

I'm talking about I'm in jail.

These niggas in jail be writing the same exact letter to 40 girls.

They tell every girl, you know, when I get out of here, it's me and you.

I'm tired of the rest of the playing the games.

I know I was doing you X, Y, Z.

It's me and you to the wheels fall away.

And that, and you can't do that to the girl that already fought your girl and has charges pending with your girl.

No.

You are sitting here thinking with this logical brain.

Thinking with this free brain.

That's like you outside free moving around.

No, I'm thinking with the brain of somebody that wants to keep their girl.

And for what it and

from what it looks like.

Yo, don't don't life me to see don't life jail me to death because clearly you are willing to sacrifice that.

And we'll get to that point later.

But don't start, oh, I'm facing life and jail me to death.

I'm not saying it like, woe is him for that, but that's a reality.

That's a reality.

If I'm facing my job, I gotta get my money.

So as many people that's gonna send me some suit packs, some naked pictures, some whatever the fuck.

Nigga, what you talking about?

Hey, let's pretend there's no right or wrong here.

When your girl finds out, chances are that's kaput.

See, and that's what I mean.

Hold up.

No, no, because that's what I mean about men.

Men just making.

No, it ain't.

As it stands right now, as it stands, we don't need to have a passionate fight about it.

As it stands right now, she's out of here.

She's

pleased.

We did this with offset before.

Please.

And you say they come back.

At some point, you get...

We know they come back.

At some point, you get to a point where you don't want to risk that with somebody.

So y'all keep talking all this macho machine.

This is not macho machine.

You talking this machine.

When you find a girl, you talking this mature shit.

You talking about a logic that a nigga that is looking at life in prison don't have.

You just said that he got in jail and he forgot who he was because there was days where he was hopeless

and felt starting

with logic.

No, it's not.

You are behind fucking bars.

Anything that could free your mind from where you are, that's where you're focusing your energy.

You talking about it like a nigga outside moving around with millions of dollars.

Yeah, leave them groupy bitches alone.

Leave the fans alone.

I'm sitting in here.

You just said the nigga was going through mad hopelessness and despair.

Anybody that could put a smile on my face, whether it's jerking my dick or sending me a picture, they're going to get some attention from me.

You accepting the collect call?

you gonna get some attention from me.

You talking like a nigga that's outside moving around with free choices.

You can go to McDonald's if you want.

You can go to catch steak if you want.

This nigga is sitting in a fucking box with limited options.

Anybody that's willing to give me their time, guess what they're gonna get?

My time.

Yeah, y'all make a lot of excuses for decision-making.

Y'all make a lot of excuses for decision-making.

Your decision-making is what got your stupid ass in this fucking position.

We're not talking about

him being in the position.

The crux of your argument starts with the position he's in true so your decision making needs to be questioned joe dog we're speaking what dog what listen answer to what i'm saying dog what i'm about to when you go to the strip club every night right or whenever you go not every night but when you go thanks because that was asking cool no no no

that was that was like real

come on

whenever you go to strip club

whenever you go to the strip club right you are putting yourself in a position for anything to happen to you cool once you're in the strip club and it happens, you deal with it right there.

You don't go home and say, yo, I should have never been.

Nigga, a nigga punched me in the face in the strip club.

Let's get it the fuck on.

You don't say, you know what?

I should have never been here in the first place.

It was my bad decision making, lack of discernment.

You get it the fuck on.

He's in jail.

Whatever got me here got me here, but I'm a deal with the circumstances while I'm here.

And I'm going to make the best of it while the fuck I'm here.

I'm not going to sit back and say, you know what?

I can't talk to this girl because this girl had a fucking girl.

Let me ask you a question.

Fucking what?

Let me ask you a question.

I mean, I agree that you should always make the best choice you can make in that moment, regardless of what happened to get you there.

I agree with you on that.

But while I'm in prison, and there's, I don't know, 50 million women in the world, in this country, whatever, that's available.

Yeah, these niggas sound stupid.

They're not available, Mark.

I don't have their phone.

I'm not going to touch the club.

You see what I'm saying?

Can't you just take that one off?

They are available.

I'm just saying, why not just take the one off the list that for your girl in the club?

That's all I'm saying.

Yeah, what are they talking about?

I'm not saying that he can't.

What I'm telling you is we are speaking from a privileged state.

No, I'm saying something a little bit.

But we're having a conversation here in the plush living room.

I ain't trying to lie.

We don't have a choice, but we don't.

What I'm saying is that you gotta put yourself in a position that he was in.

Right, but what I'm also saying is, in addition to saying, well, even if you say he's going to get the tension from whoever he wants, you could just take that one person off the list.

But also, like, it seems to me that the discipline you need to not go to jail, the discipline you need to talk about who you told to take the charge or not, that discipline he's actively using in the jail, he could also use with regard to his dick.

Like, he could also be in prison saying, you know what, doing something that's gonna piss my girl off and get her to walk away could also put me in further danger because having a lover who is scorned while you're in prison never works out knows your business that knows your business is also a bad choice so even if we just talking business it's a bad choice and and and and so the same way we praising him for saying you know i i had to lie about what happened with 21 i had to lie about this i had to lie about that um he we could also criticize him for saying yo like and again i mean

i'm speaking on a call that i don't think nobody's ever gonna know about anyway this is just a phone call i i'm i don't wait i'm waiting to see him sue the state.

I'm waiting to see him sue the state.

Like,

that's a whole other thing.

I've been sitting here saying, he talked about that in the interview a little bit.

I've been sitting here saying, like, expecting privacy on a jail call already.

You're supporting privacy.

But you're also going to jail, not expecting privacy from the world.

Right.

I get it.

You know what I'm saying?

I get it.

People have explained, like, it's still rights.

And I'm like, all right, if it's rights have been violated, he should.

He should actually sue.

He should sue.

He should.

And he talked about that in the interview a little bit, not so much the suing part, but like, you know,

he was saying that stuff kind of leaked like a year ago that they stopped a lot of that from coming out.

He said somebody has it, but somebody has it, and that's the point.

Somebody don't fuck with him.

They got the tapes, and even though he was able to, he said it's not on the website, it's not

on the prison website, you can't go get them today, right?

But somebody already somebody got him, somebody don't fuck with him.

And it seems like they timed it, and that's what Bank was kind of pushing him.

Like, maybe they're timing it to fuck with you in a certain way.

He kind of ducked that a little bit to me, or didn't take the point of head off.

But I'm curious to know who has that and also what else is coming out.

So, you do believe more is coming out?

I do.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Phone calls.

I absolutely believe

that worst has come out, bro.

I take it all with a greatest soul at this point, though.

They just throwing the bullshit out to

discredit his gangster.

Oh, you're a gangster?

Huh, huh, huh.

This is not gangsta shit, bro.

We never know what the fuck he was talking about on them phone calls and to whom.

Well, that's the other thing that I'm a huge fan of in listening to him

and just men across the country that put some type of stock,

or I'm saying that wrong, that put all of the stock in just being a man.

I admire that.

Now, how that comes through for each individual is different.

So then it starts becoming about what is your perception of being a man.

Yeah.

We're not a monolith.

We're not a monolith.

But it starts at being able to put tons of stock in

being a man.

For sure.

Like, there's some people that

are old school now.

All you have is your balls and your word.

That's an old school thing, but it means something.

You can tell listening to him that if you take everything off the table,

being a man has a lot of value.

And for him,

what I took from

him was that starts at taking care of your family.

Yeah.

He reiterated that a lot.

A lot.

Yeah.

It starts

there.

He mentioned it when he was talking about his back and forth with Lucci.

He said, yo, I told him I would do something to him if not for how he took care of his family.

I wasn't trolling.

I meant that.

He is important how he provides, how he takes his kids to school.

He said the same thing with P,

who he said opi shit about, but he said, I like that about P.

He's taking care of

his family.

I love that about Thug.

For my civilian ass, it contradicts street code.

Because I would think that you need to be there.

Step one is being there for your family.

I would love to ask him how he honors that so much, but is willing to sacrifice it for so little.

That's one of the conundrums

I've always had with street niggas.

It's a great area.

It's a great area.

Like, let's just say hypothetically your kids were starving.

Like, you lost your job and you had to put food on the table for your kids.

I'm willing to risk it.

You would go do a crime that could potentially take you away from your kids to feed your kids.

You get what I'm saying?

So it's a real, real gray area that's not so black and white.

But we got to start telling the truth with a lot of the crimes are not for that.

No,

bro, that's a hypothesis.

There's other options.

These kids are not starving.

I'm talking about the hypothetical that I just put out.

But I get what you're saying.

You get what I'm saying?

I'm following you.

But there is other options to do it.

It's rarely the only option.

Some people.

You know what it is?

The other options might take a little bit longer.

They're going to take longer.

Yeah, my kids are hungry.

My kids are hungry right now.

Or their pride hits.

My kid got to eat today.

Or their pride hits.

A lot of people are willing to go get the 9 to 5 or get the public assistance or do some of the things that you might have to do there.

My kid hungry today.

It's a pride hit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My kid is hungry today.

Right.

And again, it could be an addiction notice.

It could be a 9 to 5 door.

It could be a 9 nine-to-five person that had a job.

Cheering up.

Fuck that nigga.

If we go to prison for the rest of our life, whoop they do?

We go to prison.

See, that don't exist.

This statement.

President screaming.

Oh, shit.

Sorry.

Cheering up.

Fuck that.

If we go to prison for the rest of our life, what they do.

We go to prison.

That statement don't exist in the universe.

I'm talking about.

I understand what you're saying.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying.

I'm saying for a lot of people.

How cavalier that statement is even made.

Whoop-dee-doo.

Whoop-dee-doo.

Where I come from, I understand that we come from two different places.

Same?

Well, go ahead.

Like, I'm having this conversation from where I come from.

There is no such thing as,

and I think that our black leaders should start spreading a different message than if I throw my whole life away.

Whoop-de-doo.

And what are the virtues that I'm willing to do that over?

We need a redoing that.

Sure.

We do need a redoing that.

I agree.

But he's speaking not to us.

He's saying to those that choose to play this game, you know what you're signing up for.

You can't get in the game and now try to back now.

And now that shit got hot.

You want to go against the rules.

If this is, this is the risk.

You know the risk when you sign up for this game.

You play it.

If that happens, it happens.

That's the way he's explaining that.

And

I get that.

I get that part.

That's why I don't agree with it because I'm not a street nigga.

And that's why those who play that game, like, yo, this is what you sign up for.

If you sign up for it, you gotta go.

There's a chance.

You could go.

And you gotta stand on it.

That's why you gotta stand on.

Yo, my nigga, if you play football all your life, guess what's a possibility?

You can get CT.

You can get CT, you could get paralyzed.

It's just a more bullshit message that we spread.

I'm not disagreeing.

I agree with that.

I'm not bullshit, though.

We are in agreement with what the message should be and should not be.

I'm not disagreeing with you, boy.

If you play football, you can also wake wake up one day and be Calvin Johnson.

True.

The only option is not...

If you're in the streets, you can wake up one day and be covered.

But that's what I'm, but that would contradict that.

That would contradict that.

I don't want,

I'm sick of hearing, yo, the niggas that's in the street, that's the game you chose,

that's the life you pick.

No, you could reserve the right to change your mind.

I see.

You can reserve the right to change your mind.

Oh, you don't have to.

Yo, once something, blood in, blood out.

The only way out is through devil.

Got it.

Please.

I don't want to preach that.

You're talking about...

I'm snitching.

He's talking about that.

When I was in my snitch,

I'm not talking about being like, he's talking about success.

I'm saying you're about reserving the right to change your mind.

I'm with nothing else.

When them gang niggas made their way to Jersey City and I was a teen and the popping thing to do was to join that and they start talking about want you in this for life.

No,

now.

But you're talking about something different.

You talked about the Calvin Johnson point.

Like, yo, if you play, if you take a risk and play football, yeah, CTE is on one hand, but you could wake up and be Patrick Mahomes on the other hand.

ICE is saying, yo, when you into the street life, yeah, jail or death is on one hand, but there's also positive possibility for success on the other hand.

And now you can walk away from that.

I think the Calvin Johnson reference was walking away before he walked away.

So that's the ICE point more than Jay-Z.

I walked away.

Jehovah ain't go to jail.

Right.

Hove ain't caught no Rico charges or nothing.

I see what you said.

He went legit.

But I think the message should be:

don't go in the game at all, then.

Right?

Because you don't have that much control over it.

Right?

You can't control when you get that hit that's going to give you CTE.

It could be on game one.

It's not like, I'll just play five years so I don't get hurt.

Similarly, you could get popped on day two of selling dope.

Exactly.

You can't control that.

So just don't fucking do it.

That's it.

Just don't do it.

You ain't got to deal with that problem.

Or if you do, understand the risks.

Yeah.

Like, that's what I took from it.

Like, yo, understand

it is possible that this could happen.

Now that it happens, don't try to shy away from it.

And again, I get his mentality with that, and I agree with what you just said.

It's just there's a way that when you hear it, it romanticizes a little bit.

Like when he's talking about his brother and how he's right, he's like, You just did 12, don't take this other bid.

He's like, Fucking, if you go, if you're going to jail for life, I'm going to jail for life.

And I'm like, I get the loyalty, and I admire there's something about that that's a good thing.

That's what I 19-year-old listening to that.

That's all sound like, yo, he's going out in a a blaze of glory.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, you got to put millions of dollars in the lawyer to avoid not going to jail.

And most people don't have that luxury.

You know what I'm saying?

So I agree with that.

Also, what I saw on him

is

that carrying the type of resentment that he's carrying is heavy.

Yeah.

It's wearing on him and only him.

It seems like he's...

The whole gutter situation, he just seems sad.

I was about to say, do you think it's resentment or more sadness yeah hurt it's hurt it's pain it looked like betrayal bro like when you hear him saying like yo dog i was around this nigga damn near more than i was around my kids yeah like i put mad shit and not damn near he said no

and we and we and we saying that he's a giver yeah right pause like if you keep

i'm giving you shit i'm trying to make the best person make you be the best person you could be and then i feel like you betrayed me whether he did or he didn't right there's some emotional shit there of course for sure guys y'all all pulling the fruit out the same basket.

Hurt, betrayal, resentment, sadness.

All of it exists.

And you still work for me.

Right?

So your success benefits me.

That's a real tough internal struggle to be having.

Like, nigga, I don't want you to be successful.

What do I do?

Well,

slow down there

because

in his version of things,

it's a lot more

love and a lot less business.

So he's saying multiple times how he's never made a dime off of Gunner's business.

He said all he's done is spent money.

Ashley,

let me start there here.

I understand his beef with Gunner now that he has explained it.

I do not agree with it.

I understand it.

I don't agree with it.

Gotcha.

But I understand it.

And if I'm in his shoes, I might have that same beef.

In his mind,

whatever was said on that Alfred plea could have been used in court and it could have hurt me.

And had I not, had this gone to trial, that Alfred plea would have come up.

That's how he's carrying it.

Yeah.

One.

Two,

the hurt and the resentment.

He said he paid for half his mother's, half Gunnar's mother's

house steady boy.

He took the car for the brother, the Che.

I took care of all your people

everything

and let you present it however you wanted to present it.

I invested all my money in you.

I made you a millionaire.

You did the Alfred plea.

You didn't communicate with me about it.

Like, you don't think you owe me an explanation.

That's what he kept saying.

Yeah.

You don't think for as tight, hold on, let me just finish.

For as tight as we were, for you to do that,

one, you don't think you owe me an explanation.

Two, if we don't talk, you got out and didn't go by my mom's house.

Right.

Yeah.

You got out and didn't go drop some money off to my family.

That was big.

So I identified with him in that.

I can identify with that.

Hey,

anybody in the world can say whatever they want.

You, I'm talking about him to Gunner.

You

should be the last person.

Now, let me know a little bit of pushback.

One.

How?

One,

he did say, I don't, because Beng asked him, are you open to a conversation?

He said, no.

He said, no.

So,

how do I explain this to you if you won't have a conversation with me?

One.

Two, the part about my mom's house and all of that, right?

Gunner immediately got out and everybody was on his head.

So

maybe me popping up at your mom's house around your people might not be a good idea.

It's ways to get the money.

You can get the money to my family without you personally.

They got electronics.

Nigga, you could get the money.

You could have

a woman.

You could have a courier take a chat to my mother's house.

For a bank wire.

That's true.

That's true.

Don't do a recipe for me.

I'll put any information for a bank wire.

Listen, go take this cash out on that.

It sounded like his dad put him on a group chat.

You could get the information.

Like I said, I tap race.

You are used to the standard.

Nigga, I helped buy your mother's house.

My nigga, you know I'm spending millions of dollars because it was a bunch of them.

And they seized a lot of his shit.

It was a bunch of them niggas on trial, that part too.

But it was a bunch of them niggas on trial.

So it wasn't like I'm just paying for myself.

He potentially seeing who he is as a provider.

I'm just paying for mad niggas trying to defend this on this shit.

Nigga, go.

And Gunner said, I want to highlight that.

Yo, my dad put us both on a group thread against my wishes, but now you got my new number.

You know how to reach me.

You know how to move with some of this stuff, and it's just not being there.

And your album went crazy when you first got out.

You went on tour, you successful.

Niggas, go drop a million, go drop a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, whatever the fuck you're gonna drop off, drop it off to my mother.

I'm with you.

It could be a courier.

You don't have to speak to my mother.

My mother might not want nothing to say to you, have anything to say to you.

You could drop some money off.

You could drop some assistance off.

If I'm not sure what's right about it for you, he's right, bro.

He's right about it.

He's right, bro.

Like I said, I stand down.

Y'all are correct in that one.

I feel him on that.

I'm not saying he's right.

I feel him.

I understand him.

And in his position, maybe I say the same thing.

In my position,

I can't say that.

Tell me why.

Why?

For the same reason that I condemned Shoddy and Num for what they went through with 6ix9ine.

Y'all inherited someone that was not from where y'all are from, was not street, didn't know these codes, live by these codes.

Y'all painted him to be a certain way.

And when it came time for shit to get thick,

he revealed who he is, which was a little Mexican kid from the outskirts of Brooklyn or whatever.

So now,

that's different.

I'd love to finish.

Let him finish, please.

I'd love to finish.

Let him finish.

We're just talking.

Yeah.

Thug goes on to say:

everything I did for you was because your dad was my OG.

That's why I'm looking out for you this way.

Before he died, he told me, yo, take care of my son.

Wherever you go, take him with you.

I'm following the orders given to me.

What the fuck?

In that,

if he was that tight with his father, because that is how you painted it,

and y'all had that talk about this kid, then this kid is not next to you because he's so street.

Actually, it's quite the opposite.

This kid is with you because dad said,

Hey, you know what time it is.

Look out for this one.

You know what I'm saying?

He actually went on to say, see, this is where he contradicted himself a few times.

He went on to say, I'm judging you like a street nigga.

What you say in your raps and what you portray in your raps and the things I hear you say around me

You talk like a street nigga.

I think that totally contradicts How what you should have known from being close with his dad not the same this ain't no street nigga and for thug to say I'm I'm taking your portrayal as such goes against everything that's happened in hip-hop from the fucking start of it niggas get on these songs and lie You cannot strip an artist of the ability to get on a song and tell a lie.

And you know who the number one liar is in music?

Is the civilian like me that signed to a street nigga like you?

That is the number one liar in hip-hop.

You ain't about to change the course of shit from how you view things.

No.

You was moving a certain way.

His dad carried it a certain way.

And now you putting that onus on him.

And when it's time to show up like that, he can't show up like that because it's not in his fucking fabric.

You're conflating two things to me.

I'm sorry.

I think we're about to say the same thing, but I think that's true for the Alfred plea point.

Yes.

It's not true for the humanistic point point.

Exactly.

That's what I'm saying.

Because if I'm from the suburbs, I ain't never seen a street.

Let me ask y'all one thing.

And you did that much for me, and I come home and I got this much money and you locked up and I know you and all that shit, I should be doing something decent for you just as a person.

Fuck the street shit.

The streets ain't the only place where you do decent for people.

But I feel you.

I never said nothing about that.

No, no, no.

I'm not talking about your expectations of what should be done.

I'm talking about your expectations of a person.

No, no, I'm with you.

What I'm saying is there's two things here.

One is how he did the legal shit, and then there's what he did when he came home.

Thug said he's upset about not contacting him, not reaching out to him, not being transparent about the Alfred plea.

And he's saying I'm upset about how you carried it when you came home and I was still locked up in terms of not taking care of my family, not sending them money, all of that.

I'm saying

putting street expectations on him is unfair, and that's why you shouldn't be surprised that he did the legal shit.

But I don't think it's a street, it's just a street expectation to give somebody money or give my mom some money when I'm locked up, help my family when I'm locked up.

Let me ask you what I'm saying.

I would want, if you got like, I would want Ian Schwartzman to do that for you.

You see what I'm saying?

That's just being human.

That's just like we people.

Nah, y'all missing one part, though.

I just got out of Enrico with y'all.

So now, following the money, that could open me up to some shit.

They could find a way.

I'm just saying, find a way.

I hear you, but now I go pop a million.

I go drop a million to your mom's.

I'm on tour.

I'm just saying, give what you can.

Do something.

Something.

That point, what you're saying, what you're saying is not really niggas.

First, I was with it.

I don't know what I was saying.

I understand what you're saying, Priest.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead, Barbara.

I understand what you're saying, but clearly they have

representatives on my label.

Yeah, he has representatives that someone can find a loophole to make sure that this gets done with it.

You on my label.

This is a committee.

Whatever.

This is some fucking...

What's the shit y'all got to pay back?

360?

Yeah, along those lines.

Like, this could be advanced.

I'm giving back.

You could make it to where I owe him this money.

I was just thinking that.

to your other point, your point is valid.

Unless,

and this is a, we don't know this to be true, you grew up under this man.

I know how this man gave it up.

I hear what you saying around me.

Fuck the raps.

I hear what you saying around me every single day.

So I'm assuming that you came from this tree.

You saying this type of shit.

This is how you are as a man and as a person.

Stop it.

Stop it.

Stop it.

I'm not going to, on one one hand,

say that street niggas are as brilliant as I view them to be and then say they keep getting tricked by niggas that's not as street as them.

Them two is not going to coexist for me.

I think the street niggas happen since the beginning of time.

Or you would have to show me that.

I think street niggas.

Sammy the Bull ratted.

It's been happening since the beginning of time.

This nigga had a body count like a fucking the city morgue got his name on it.

We're not having the same talk.

Sammy the Bull was into what they they was into.

And he.

I know.

Listen to what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about street niggas having an innate ability to tell when someone is not like them at all.

I am not exonerating them for intermingling with people that are not from where they're from.

And this gunner shit is a prime example of that to me.

I do.

It is a prime example of that to me.

And he went as far as to say that.

He was saying, I believe the raps.

Okay, well, that's another one of the decisions that was off.

But you also said, yo, I believe what he's saying around me.

Fuck rap, because the rap is rap.

Those are lyrics.

I'm talking about when we are outside, when we're in the mall, I'm hanging around you every fucking day, and you are saying you stand on these principles.

And I know I stand on these principles, so why who am I to not believe you?

Being now I don't know who your dad was.

The person that is only calculating.

If I'm around you every day, I could see some of the shit.

Yeah, I don't even live in this or not.

Thank you, Ice.

The person is.

If I'm around you every single day, I can't believe you're no care.

If you only calculating off what somebody saying

is probably an idiot.

So to my point, John Gotti didn't see it that Sammy the Bull was a rat?

Sammy the Bull put in work issue.

No, I wish you let us have this talk.

You didn't see it.

I wish you let us have this talk.

Sammy the Bull was a rat.

I mean, Sammy the Bull was a rat, but he put in work.

Yeah, we said.

This conversation is not

around you working.

Putting in no work, but talking about it.

Yeah, I do.

Explain it to me.

I think he said that even as a street nigga, there are things that are going to go.

Y'all saying that like if you're a bona fide street nigga, you got discernment.

Yeah.

and I think there's something you got to discern.

Like, you should be able to look at Gunner and say, he's not going to stand tall on the stand.

He's not going to stand tall

in the police room.

He's going to, he's going to, he's going to tell.

He's going to do whatever, right?

I'm with you on that, and I'm not exonerating him on that.

But

what I heard Thug say was that wasn't the thing that pisses, that hurt his feelings so much.

The shit that hurt his feelings was what happened when he came home.

And to me, the shit that happened when he came home, when Gunnar came home, is not about being a street nigga.

Oh, sister, we read that wrong.

There's a gumbo pot of shit shit that is hurting him about gunner's actions.

For sure, it's all right.

I'm not putting more weight on what happened when he was free than what happened before.

He's hurt, period.

Right.

I agree with you.

I'm siding with Mark on this one.

I feel like the personal shit probably hurt him more than the legal shit.

Personally.

That's how I took it.

That's how I heard it.

Yeah.

Cool.

All right.

Now, I'm going to put myself in Gunner's shoes.

Listen, it's unfair for a thug

to hear records and put a certain identity on Gunnar Gunner and

the records should not be as not I'm telling y'all as not Vietnam record now we now we we we treating gunner as civilian not non-street nigga even though he was saying that this is what we what we took from it that person who

non-street nigga don't play those games even if I hang around it

get my first close call with it

I get caught up in a recall almost on life and I make it out.

I'm going to be honest, I'm not talking to none of you niggas ever again.

Nobody associated with you.

Then you still put music out of my I mean, I had that

I'm putting music out.

I can't do it no other way.

Cool.

I'm not talking to you to put my music out.

To my point, I'm trying to get off the label.

Remember when that first, when he first got out, it was, yo, he's leaving, going to this label.

He's leaving, going to this.

Hey, he David spoke about before on one of the league calls that gunner was trying to leave and go sign with the weekend.

So I'm trying to get away from y'all.

Because y'all into some shit that I might not want to get down with.

And that don't have nothing to do with acknowledging a nigga that has helped you and your fucking family for the better part of a decade.

And yo, dog, the two things don't have to intermingle, bro.

I'm telling you, they're not.

That kind of leads to my next point.

That's a great segue.

That kind of leads seamlessly into my next point, which is

if you're doing business,

then you should do business.

There's this fake this fake lore in street nigga world that says because you love somebody, you just got to bend over backwards for them for your whole life or go outside of the paperwork.

If you're doing business, do the business.

Thug is saying, yo, I never took a dime from him.

Because I'm agreeing with what you just said.

But Thug himself is saying, I never took a dime.

I never took a dime.

I never took a dime.

All I did was pour in.

All I did was pour in, invest, invest, invest.

All I did was spend my own money, not what P did with Baby, where Baby popped off immediately.

Gunner took time to pop off.

I'm spending my own money to get him popping, and I never took a dime, but I paid for this and I paid for his mom and I paid for his brother and I paid for this and I paid for this.

Dog, you creating your own fucking world of misery.

Gunna is a popping artist.

He's signed to you.

I don't give a fuck that you knew his dad.

Do the business that the paper says.

So you're not just carrying around certain shit

because you love him.

Take the money that is owed to you.

Now, I feel him on, yo, my old manager.

Hold up.

My old manager did that, the gunner contract.

So the contract says I get 50% of everything.

I wouldn't have done things like that because I love him.

Well, guess what?

Amend it then.

Amend it.

You cannot say that you're doing business with somebody and keep bypassing.

This has to be addressed.

It's got to be addressed at some point.

When does the money get right?

Tell me how the money gets right doing it the way the thugs said.

I will also say that unfortunately, too when you do a lot of nice things for people

It might not come back.

It actually

never does like you got to be kind of okay with that.

Yeah, you do you you but what's nice

But what's the nice things in your life

that still don't mean that you don't feel a type of way when they don't do the nice things for you especially when they have an opportunity to and you have an opportunity

bro let me tell you something God forbid anybody in this room

If something happened to y'all and I had some money to help y'all family, my nigga, it's a no-brainer to me.

Facts.

If your kids needed to go to college and I can afford to, it's a no-fucking brainer for me.

And ain't none of y'all help me in the manner in which he's saying he helped Gunner.

Like some shit is just humanistic shit, bro.

I don't care about street shit.

I don't care about suburban shit.

Some shit is just decent human being shit.

And we keep conflating the two.

Like, if you're a street person, you can't be a decent human being, bro.

Some of this shit is just no-brainer grown man shit.

You're right.

And don't i don't see a gray line there for me so

the gray line is if i almost lost

again i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm on an island you almost lost your life but i also gave you a life i understand that so help my family because i helped your family i i agree with isis you shouldn't be compelled to do something that should put you back in the box but there are

supporting somebody saying giving somebody some money giving their mama some money isn't illegal you know what i mean and if it were fuzzy looking funny looking then you should find a way around There's a way around.

Yeah, there's a way around.

That's all I would say.

But I agree.

You don't owe him shit in terms of getting back into legal trouble.

But supporting somebody, that's just what it is.

Another contradiction I don't quite understand.

I know we got to get to prize picks, but I'm going to finish these points and then have some fun after the ad.

Let's get it.

From my POV.

From my POV, he should be buying Woody a bottle of champagne every day.

Indeed.

Yeah.

I agree with that.

Yes.

See, street nigga rules is saying something else.

Yes.

Street nigga rules is saying that Woody's a rat.

Yeah.

Woody's a rat.

Woody's a rat.

Woody's a rat.

And guess what?

Rudy, Woody may be a rat.

However, from what I took from Thug's own words, was

Woody was an unindicted cold conspirator, which means he got to say one thing in the interrogation room, which made them think they had you lined up like a duck

and when he hit the stand he spun him yeah he did

and if he didn't spin them you will be gone he sounded like the lone person that could have put you up for life that is true i agree with that he didn't do that hey i'm not a street

i had wi-fi that day and i seen woody up there saying nope that that no no

no no

no no no no he was on woody just like a week yep yo i don't know i don't want to talk about this.

No.

That's wrong.

I forgot.

I forgot his motherfucker.

Don't remember.

I'm hungry.

I ain't going to lie.

I'm hungry.

I need something to eat.

What time's lunch?

Yo, what's she wearing?

Oh, she's stinking.

Yo, come over here.

No, he was all antics.

He was all antics.

So for me, for you to come home and still be on the fuck Woody Brigade

as a civilian from where I sit, I don't understand that.

I don't understand that.

That street nigga shit is complicated.

It's algebra.

It's street algebra.

So I won't get it.

That's nuts to me.

And

you yourself acknowledge the spin.

See, that's where I had it wrong at.

You was in the room saying you was flirting with the cop and saying

I was trying to spin the cops.

Yeah.

Here's the TV shit.

Here's the thing about you being a spinner.

If you acknowledge you're a spinner, then you're acknowledging that the game is to spin and you could possibly be spun.

So now if we're not looking at you like a rat for saying, hey, anything you need, call my phone, don't tell nobody.

If we're taking him at his word, which is I was spinning him,

then why wouldn't the same apply for Woody?

Because it was backwards.

No, it wouldn't.

He got an interrogation and said one thing and then he hit the stand.

So that's spin.

You're in the spin game is what I'm saying.

This is my opinion.

Tell me.

If you get an interrogation room and you start giving out real real information of things that took place,

right?

And you're giving them your...

After immunity.

That's important.

Yes.

I know somebody.

Why have immunity?

I personally know somebody that did this.

I'm telling you shit while I have immunity.

Go ahead.

Boom.

You start giving information that furthers this investigation.

You helped them put the body with the gun or you helped them put the shooter with the body.

You're giving them information, right?

And then six, eight months later, you now get on the stand and say, damn, I don't even remember saying that.

Yo, I'm hungry.

Yo, you got some cheeseburger?

Yo, what kind of shoes is them?

You still gave him that information that furthered that investigation.

Now, when you got, I think Woody is the star witness in Doug going free, to be honest with you, because he was making such a fucking mockery of the courtroom and of that prosecutor.

Like, it was almost like y'all are incompetent.

Woody don't go up there and do that.

Doug is in jail for the rest of his life.

I would agree with you.

So, dog, it's time for you to come out and buy him a ribeye.

Like, Woody got arrested.

Like, in contempt.

Yeah, he was in contempt.

He was making a mockery of the court, bro, for the better part of a week and a half.

We got to call it even.

I mean, I get your point that you're only in the box to do that because you already fucked up earlier.

But if you got me to the point where I don't got to go to prison no more, I don't know about a ribeye, at least we're even.

At least jumbo shrimp.

At least the cocktail shrimp.

Some type of

jumbo?

Yeah,

come on.

So, no,

the little, you know what I mean?

The express, the latte espresso shit, the chocolate.

The chocolate.

He's a little too mad and woody for me, but okay.

Ah, he's like Frank Pantangeli, the godfather.

It's like you.

But also, if you're riding it.

You ratted.

You ratted it and then you didn't.

You ratted it and saved my life.

Thank you.

You ratted it.

You should have had to save my life if you didn't rat.

And that's what I'm saying.

We even

have no shrimp for that.

We just even.

There's no time for that.

If we playing the spin game, I don't have time for that.

But you are non-indicted.

You didn't even have to go in there and say nothing.

But if we playing the spin game,

I can't do that.

Joe, listen.

Everybody can be spun, which leads to my next point.

Hold up.

That leads to my next point.

Once you acknowledge you're playing the spin game to me, shit, all bets are on.

Which means for Gunnar to even do that, Alfred Plea, know what exists?

He may have been spun.

Gunner got spun.

Yeah.

He may have been spun.

He said that.

On one of the records or something.

He had to acknowledge that.

So you acknowledge all of these variables.

You sitting sitting there about to cry because you don't speak to this man.

You, by your own admittance, are not releasing the quality of music that you normally do because the person that you hang out with every day is gone.

The person that you speak to every day is gone.

The person that you had the most fun with every day is gone.

I understand

that.

Just not the way he's doing it.

I've been through that before.

Hey, nigga, I put clothes on you.

I put car keys in your pocket.

I bought you an iPhone.

I bought you food.

I went to work so you could have a place on earth.

You bum ass nigga.

If anybody can say something about Joe, it shouldn't be you.

I feel him on that.

But guess what?

When you make that decision, you at peace with it.

If everything you said is true.

And now that looks like that.

If everything you said is true,

if everything you said is true about this bum ass nigga, you put the first million in this bum ass nigga's pocket.

He don't know what to do with himself unless you came and opened up the cat food

put it in a little

hey sometimes hey sometimes you mix it up with the dry food if the cat was good

you take the can chop it up

you have been dead if niggas didn't do that for you however so i understand that part and when you separate from like that you should be at peace how long it take you to get to peace

it ain't quick it wasn't quick nigga i know you i'm gonna hear the the answer.

I wasn't talking about me.

No, you said you've been in that position.

Sure.

But I wasn't.

Words.

Nah, not you.

Not you, big dog.

How did y'all put me in that man?

You did.

I'm going to ask you a question.

I thought that.

It wasn't overnight.

That's an accountability bonus day.

Yeah, exactly.

It wasn't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll answer you.

It wasn't overnight.

Cool.

It wasn't overnight.

There you go.

He's been out of jail less than a year.

That don't really respond to what I'm saying.

He sounds like

I want to speak to Gunner.

He said he wouldn't speak to him.

I know.

But he sounds like

he sounds like he can't.

He sounds like he can't even be himself if he don't speak to him.

It sounds like he needs to.

Yeah.

It sounds like he might want to.

And if you're like putting you on a group chat, it sounds like other people are aware of this too.

And then you got the nerve to tell me that you excused mad other niggas for this.

He then went on to say, hey, other people did this.

I love them and I told them to do it, so I'm at peace with it.

Nothing came of that.

My nigga, are you spinning me right now?

No, but also, they were put in that position because he did not.

I get everything he said.

I'm speaking from where I sit.

That's where he said.

I get it too.

I get it too.

But because they did it, because he did.

It was your choice.

Yeah.

You backed everybody back of the channel.

Now we got to make these other moves.

He had the advantage.

We might not have had to do none of this had you not said.

Right, everyone had to do that.

This is what I was trying to tell you the other day when me i was arguing i was like yo bro

if they ain't do that because he said no we ain't no

and i acknowledge that what are we young love what what was why it's

something youth youth something leadership like

bro you went in there and put gang on our back so now again we here

you put us in a position now where we got to watch for the left hook.

Because you made that happen.

You get what I'm saying?

So now we got to play defense about, like, yo,

listen, bro.

I'm not no street nigga.

I get everything what he's saying.

And I also understand what y'all saying.

But, dog, you can't.

If you fuck my girl and you my man, you fuck my girl.

She fucked you back.

No, I didn't.

Y'all both wrong.

You know what I'm saying?

Y'all both wrong.

She's some hookah.

But one.

She wasn't my girl.

Oh, she was.

Oh, that's cool.

Yes, she was.

Oh, she wasn't.

I guess that she was.

You can't fuck my girl.

You You can't fuck my girl.

I wouldn't want.

You my friend, ish.

You are my friend.

Anyway.

You think I want to fuck you?

Like, don't do that.

Yo, anyway.

I kissed her, though.

She wasn't my girl.

Y'all don't know who the fuck over now.

Yo,

I'm not going to be able to do it.

So, what I'm saying is, like, dog, we here now.

You know what I'm saying?

We here now.

So it's not about what could have, should have happened.

This happened.

We got to defend ourselves against that.

That's all I'm saying.

Like, yo, dog, we be looking at the,

bro, that nigga, it's some biker group.

It was like 70 white bikers.

I don't know if y'all heard about it.

They all got locked up at the same time.

Nobody.

Nobody rat it.

Nobody said a word.

This internet story.

Bro, everybody came home.

I'm just saying, everybody came home.

So if y'all was following that to Thug's point, we all could have came home, but y'all niggas started breaking.

And because y'all started breaking, I had to start modifying what I had to do to make sure everybody landed somewhat in the best position.

I also disagree with Thug talking about, yo, it's nine terabytes of evidence against us.

Gunner's name is on one page.

Go sit tight.

But he couldn't do that because he wanted to get home and see a hoe or be with his family or just go home.

And I'm like,

yeah.

What does Doug not understand about that?

Yes.

Yes.

Back to my point about you fucking with people that's not of the fabric that you from.

Yes.

If my name is on one page and they got nine terabytes on you and I have to say this to go home, and I might have been spun to think that this can't be used against my brother.

Yes, I'm doing that.

I just wanted to tell you the line that he addressed that on.

You start for Rollins.

He said,

Yeah, lawyers and a DA did some sneaky shit.

I fell for it.

All my P's and Q's this time, I'll be prepared for it.

So, no, he got

to know how he'll be prepared for it

by never putting himself in that position again.

Exactly.

And that's the difference.

That's one of the main differences I see between Gunner and Thug.

Gunner has come home and completely changed his life around.

It reminds me of me when I almost got shot in the head, but the gun jammed.

Like, once God give you that type of chance, you look back at how you've been living.

And if you're lucky, you say, you know what?

Lesson learned.

Gotcha.

Lesson learned.

I heard you.

I heard you.

Hey,

that will happen again.

And that's what it looks like from Gunner, and the music sounds good, and he's seeing success from that.

Thug looks like the complete opposite of that.

Somebody who's not producing to the best of his ability, who's not having the best of sleep at night, whose girl done lost him now, who some of the street niggas is looking at him funny because, hey, what was you doing in there?

Oh, you was telling jokes.

Some of them don't understand you was telling jokes in that room, or you was trying to, like, it's a lot going on with him.

But if you'd have just came home and decided to just live a different way, I think you avoid some of this stuff.

Thug looks like he came home and not not saying actively, but is still focused on street shit.

Yes.

That's forgiven.

That's what it looks like.

And that's a big thing.

And that's all it is.

And that's where his stresses are coming.

Banks it.

Banks still crazy on it.

He said some of his energy is coming back to you because you're carrying it this way.

I told you.

You got to give Banks all the credit and tomorrow.

He pushed back.

He held him accountable this entire, entire time.

No,

hold on, now, Slim.

I got to tell you, hold on now.

You got to tell you.

Hold on now, slime.

Yeah, yeah, yo.

Yo, he said to him, Yo,

we're all millionaires.

Like, sometimes you need people to repeat what you're saying back to you.

Yeah, right.

Yo, do you hear what you're saying?

Everybody that you're naming is a millionaire.

At what point, what more do you need to see?

You did it.

You escaped.

I know you're operating from trauma, but you escaped.

What more does God need to show you for you to choose a different path?

You know the crazy part?

On one of the leaked tapes, he called Gucci Soft.

You say he's been soft.

And look at how how Gucci, and look at how Gucci, look what, that should be your example.

The nigga that was there through all of that, went to jail, made it back home,

turned my life around.

I can walk away from this shit.

That is a from Atlanta.

That's an example right there in front of you.

That ain't Hove.

That ain't New York.

That ain't the West Coast.

That's a nigga right here that you

know.

The nigga that put you on.

Right.

That said, oh shit, look how he did it.

That's what I need to do.

The Lord of the game.

There's a few more

that I disagreed with from Duggar, but I think for the most part, we got it all out.

Just one more tiny thing.

He works with gay people.

Did you know that?

Here come Mark.

Run the clip.

Nigga, you got to want the clip.

I got the clip to say that y'all was gay.

I wasn't getting it.

I wasn't getting it.

I know I was going to put that down.

That's why you said that.

That's why I got it.

There's no be no more pause.

He's going to hit that clip.

I don't have no problem with gay people.

Gay people work for me right now.

I'm damned around gay people every day because they work for me.

I don't got no problem with them.

But you know what the rest of the clip said.

And I know you want to address it, so I so on you.

I don't care that much.

We should.

ISO on you.

I was setting you up for the clip.

Well, y'all don't have a laptop.

Fuck it up on the phone.

You only bring your iPad to work for two weeks, then you stopped.

Yeah.

I did.

So you can't.

You used to have it, though.

You used to be able to do the drink.

I could still do it.

You haven't.

I could still do it.

It's been five years.

You haven't.

You can still do it.

You haven't, though.

I can't.

Go ahead, bro.

Come on, letting us fight.

That's what he wanted.

You trying to get me to fight my brother?

Yes, yes, yes.

That's exactly what I want.

I know you want to speak to.

Speak to it.

I mean, it was important, but I don't think it was the most important part of the interview.

I actually thought you wanted to speak to it because I saw you, because I heard the clip earlier.

Oh, no, that clip was only to call y'all gay

in future episodes.

I had nothing to say.

All right.

I know what he was attempting to say.

Do I agree with that?

No, but I know what he was trying to say.

Like, this wasn't the interview for me to get caught up in the semantics or to try to get offended.

It was for me to try to understand.

And I think we do that too much.

Like, especially now in society, where we'll look to do one thing before we do for the other.

And I wasn't going to do that with all.

I really wanted to hear from somebody.

in his position, which only he could speak from.

And I left with a greater understanding of that.

And that's why, look, and that's why more artists should do that.

More artists should sit down and speak.

Because I'd have never come come away with, I'd have never come away with this type of human being.

Look at the power of hip-hop.

No, what type of human being it was?

True.

What type of human being?

Some of these interviews will humanize you to a point where it's like, oh, shit.

I got it now.

And this is what I was saying about artists who I won't name because we can get the whole episode without naming them.

When I said I wanted them to go to a hip-hop media outlet, I said, it can be a home game.

It could be somebody you fuck with, but it has to be somebody you fuck with that'll still hold you accountable and still make you

answer tough questions.

And that's what we saw today.

He answered tough questions from somebody who loves and respects him and who is loved and respected everybody hasn't gotten to a first step yeah i think he has no choice yeah everybody hasn't gotten to

i'm looking for accountability for myself i'm holding the mirror up everybody's not yeah especially in artist land yeah in artist land we get to build whatever persona we want to have that's not ourselves that's real that's a fact and we get to boost them up we get to make them confident we get to make them strong little sims characters yeah that pretty much

that's what it is i just think so the bigger you are, the more powerful your character.

And the more you can hide your real shit.

But that's what frustrates me because sometimes it's like,

I'm an artist and I have this thing about me.

I have a flaw.

I have a crisis.

I have a scandal, whatever the thing is.

And you have a team around you to figure out how to hide it, to patch it, to make it look better, to deodorize it.

And sometimes the wildest thing you could do, the thing they never considered is.

Just talk about it.

Yeah, just talk about it.

And tell the truth about it.

Tell the truth.

Like him saying, yo, I was in this cell.

I didn't know what was going to happen to me.

I was fucked up.

I was on the phone.

and I did some shit I never did before.

Niggas like, oh, yeah, okay, cool.

Like, I get it.

I don't love it, but I get it.

Artists don't do that enough.

They're always trying to fix or hide it instead of just owning it.

To me.

I think as human beings in general,

for sure.

We've said everything that we've needed to say on this.

I just want to close with, you should not tell your side chick that has already fought your queen that you want to have babies with her when you come home.

I think that's solid advice for everybody.

That's good advice.

I want to salute Bank again.

That was

a good thing.

Now, let's hit the round of applause for Bank.

Let's hit the round of applause for Bank and regional interviews and how important they are.

Yeah, yeah,

regional interviews.

Nobody else

is just as important as regional music.

Word.

Bank, thank you so much.

Word.

Salute.

You really helped me to understand.

Thank you for caring about that, brother.

Yes.

Thank you for caring about the scene in Atlanta, right?

And I'm all for this, but Bank kept getting him back to

How do we fix this as Atlanta?

He kept beering off.

No, they got something down.

He brought him right back.

They got something down.

Yo,

how do we fix this?

They got a,

even when we talked to Ray at your birthday party,

like when they talk Atlanta, like they talk Atlanta.

Like they have, yeah, bro.

They really care.

This ain't business.

This ain't just...

I'm trying to be popular or whatever.

I give a fuck.

Like, how you talk about hip-hop, passionate because you really love this shit and care.

That's how they speak about Atlanta.

They do.

Atlanta special.

They do.

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Zaya is calling to talk shit during our series.

He knows he's calling for it.

Yeah, I know he's calling for.

Hello.

Grand Roses, King.

Grand Rosin.

Grand Rise.

Peace and love.

Peace and love.

Love and tranquility to the cast, to everybody.

Hope everybody's doing good.

We're doing good.

We're doing good, we're doing good.

We were just in the middle of a very intense young thug talk.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, no, no, but it's cool.

It's cool.

You are a guy.

All the 520 guys.

All of y'all are guys.

Don't do that.

Joe, don't do that, Joe.

Don't do that.

Hey,

what's up, now?

What's up, now?

What'd you call him with?

I just wanted to check on my man Parks, man.

I ain't heard from him or nothing.

I responded to you.

I responded to you.

See?

Yeah, I seen

You're going to shoot the straight ice.

Nah, it was no straight ice.

I was just thanking you.

Parks don't love his squad.

How are you going to start Tyreek and Wild or in the Coast defense?

You was good either way.

It's called hedging your bets, my friend.

Feeling real good out there after Danny Dimes went on.

Danny Dimes out there looking like motherfucking Joe Montana, ain't he?

Yeah.

Hey, look, don't see, see, you started trouble.

Don't do that, Joe.

Look, that's my guy.

Look, one week.

But I will tell you, though, it's a little different vibes in here than last time.

Different side of week one.

We used to lose it.

Yeah, yeah.

No, no, I thought you were.

Congrats on the win.

I thought about you.

Because I know how crazy I came to the opening game out there last season.

And the vibe was a little different.

So I thought about you.

After a good win, good quarterback play.

I'm happy for y'all out there.

I appreciate it, man.

Giants.

Giants, how did y'all watch?

y'all play it this week or y'all play y'all had a vibe?

Y'all had a vibe week one?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

Hey, hey, we waiting on Jackson Dart.

Okay,

we waiting on Jackson Dart.

That's all.

Y'all waiting on somebody.

Yeah, that makes sense.

That makes sense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shout out to my guy, Bobby Odo.

You know, yo, are you just going to call and troll us

offseason?

I miss y'all, man.

I just, bro, I'm just trying to say hello.

You feel me?

That's it, bro.

No, you're not.

Hello.

You ain't lying to Richie nigga.

Come on, bro.

Oh, man.

Who y'all got this week?

We got Denver.

Oh, that'll humble them.

You're going to beat Denver.

That'll humble them.

I mean, look, somebody got to be.

India.

Where's the game at?

Probably in Denver.

Where's the game at, Z?

It's at home.

Four o'clock.

Yeah.

Yeah, they got to go.

That'll humble them.

Yo, make sure you call in next week at this time.

Hey, do me me a favor.

Don't get missing.

Don't get missing next week around the time.

You heard?

Call with the Grand Ross and King.

Oh, yo, God.

Hold on, for sure.

What?

You got that right.

You got an answer.

I was about to say.

For sure.

Listen,

enjoy your week.

Enjoy your week out there, man.

Congrats on the big league.

Likewise, my brother.

Congrats.

Congrats, man.

Hey, yo, you can come to New York sometime, man.

I'm trying to.

Yeah, niggas don't pond no more.

He don't even come.

Is he letting people know?

Next time I'm pulling right up on y'all, I'm going to do an eight-hour day, bro.

You know what I'm saying?

Nah, I know where to pull up on you at.

You heard?

I love my wife.

Don't do that.

Everybody tell me this nigga.

It's different.

Z, we love you, man.

I talk to you soon.

All right, holler at y'all.

Hey, Atlanta.

That was funny.

Good sports weekend, y'all.

Who was it?

Yeah, yes, it was.

I know we talked about NFL a little bit.

Where did Caitlin Clark take a piss?

Come on, Mark.

Tell us.

Well, I'm glad you asked.

I wasn't going to mention Caitlin Clark, but since we're mentioning WNBA players or women's basketball players, the Basketball Hall of Fame had its newest inductees this weekend.

Some of the headliners, of course, there were some people who didn't get a lot of credit.

I want to shout them out.

Danny Crawford, one of the greatest referees of all time, was inducted.

Coach Billy Diamond was inducted.

Sue Bird and Maya Moore, two of the greatest women's athletes of all time, or just athletes of all time, were inducted.

And of course, the headliners in terms of players were Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard, who were inducted for their individual basketball careers.

Dwight Howard, of course, it was extra special to him because he was left off the NBA's 75th anniversary team.

I thought you were about to say it, because they threw a green dildo on stage.

Well, it's funny you say that because he said

to go in the Hall of Fame twice in the same year, man, it's like God said, I'm going to double-pound you with a blessing.

Dwight.

Dewite.

hey big dog

there were other ways to get your point across hey I've been to a lot of churches my grandma was into all that one thing I've never heard double pound

pounding

double pound I never heard him pounding

yeah but but that said His allusion to the double pounding was referring to the fact that he went in as an individual player and part of the 2008 Redeemed team, which included several other, many other players.

I don't even like him redeeming.

Everything is fucking creepy now.

Oh, you can't redeem.

Also part of the Redeemed team were Chris Paul and LeBron James, which is a big deal because they are the first two players in the history of basketball, NBA players, to be inducted to the Hall of Fame while they're active players.

That's a big deal.

It also speaks to their longevity that they were able to play long enough to do that.

So

yeah, shout out to them.

And of course, Carmelo Anthony.

Yeah, Nick Legend.

Nick Legend.

And Denver legend, even though Denver refuses to acknowledge it.

And Carmelo won't acknowledge it either because of how George Call was carrying it and his time in Denver.

But not only is he a Nick legend, he is a nugget legend.

He's a Denver legend.

Absolutely.

I don't know what they're going to do with that number seven situation.

What number seven situation?

What's it?

Isn't it 15?

15.

I mean, 15.

Joker.

15.

No, no, no, no.

What do you know what they're going to do?

What they're going to do?

Hang up the joker.

Hang up the joker.

Is there a way to do both?

No, no.

It should be.

It should be.

Yeah, like you can just make new rules.

The proper thing to do would be to acknowledge that.

It would have been to retire Mellow's jersey, number 15, and to retire Joker's jersey in the future because he's not even eligible for that.

He'll be playing ball.

But you could have done both.

Yeah, and I don't think Denver did that to disrespect Mellow.

I think he was a second-round pick.

They did.

Yes, they did.

Jokic was a second-round pick.

I don't know what to do.

It could have been retired before.

I'm not talking about Joker.

I'm with you there.

He's just amazing.

They did it to be a dick, though.

They're being dicks with him.

Now they are, but I'm just saying when they gave him the number, they probably assumed Jokic wouldn't be a guy who wouldn't be a part of the

politician.

Inside of the number.

The number.

They are and have been

dicks to Carmelo Anthony.

I agree 1000%.

Yeah, no, they've treated him like he wasn't a legend.

I got another Carmelo question for y'all, too.

But he gave a speech.

I thought it was a wonderful speech, Carmelo Anthony, as he got inducted into the Hall of Fame.

It's also good to see AI on stage one of the people.

When Mark takes us to Pierceland, I know where you're going.

You see the setup right now.

You see it?

He brings in a topic that is only going to get us canceled.

You don't even know what I'm about to say.

I think that's exactly what I'm saying.

Tell me this.

I'll tell you if I'm right.

During this speech, he shouted at Puerto Rico.

Yes.

I'm glad you're listening.

During the morning briefings.

Go ahead.

No, he shouted at Puerto Rico.

He said, you know, as a tribute to his father, who was Puerto Rican, he shot at the island of Puerto Rico.

He did all this stuff.

And a lot of people were upset about it.

I wasn't particularly upset about it, but a lot of people were upset about him shouting at Puerto Rico.

They're like, Puerto Rico didn't do nothing for you.

You didn't grow up there.

Why the fuck are you so keep mentioning Puerto Rico?

Because if it wasn't for Puerto Rico, I wouldn't exist.

So, yeah, let me shout him out.

Well, I don't see the problem.

What's the problem?

I think maybe black people felt left out.

It's a problem.

It is a problem.

Tell me why, Joe, please.

Here's where he gets canceled, Joe.

I'm trying not to fall for the bait.

It's too late.

Come on, Adam.

Come on in, FBA.

This is the same thing.

I'm not saying I have a problem with it.

I'm saying I acknowledge what they're saying the problem is, which is the same thing that they got that actress girl for.

The young actress girl that's amazing

that looks black,

that has taken mad blacks.

So don't roll.

Yeah, she's taken all of these black roles, looks black, was broken by blacks.

That's how black people feel.

And then when she won the award, she gets up there and talk about, oh,

Dominicana.

Yeah, so

she started talking Spanish.

Oh, my great-grandmother was Puerto Rican.

Yeah, girl, shut the fuck up.

We don't want to hear that shit right now.

So it's the same thing with Carmelo.

Nigga, nobody in Syracuse,

34th Street, nobody, nowhere you've ever been, looked at you and said a Puerto Rican word.

Nobody.

That don't change your roots.

However, don't get pushed to the fucking top of the mountaintops and then get up there talking about a Puerto Rico.

A Puerto Rico.

Save that for Fat Joe and them niggas.

You.

You're angry Imani right now.

He's ignorant.

That's fucked up.

Imani's mad.

Imani knows he got 20 years of ignorance.

But I mean, we would have had to face this if he were Hall of Fame worth.

Like, we're talking about.

We're talking.

Why y'all coming to Spain?

Wait,

he's in a part of the month club now.

I got to ride with him.

Nah, that's fucked up.

Yeah, took it from you.

Yeah, acknowledge it.

He got one of them.

He took it from you.

He got half-made merch.

He got to get away merch.

He got half merch.

He took it off you.

Took it from you.

And made merch.

And made merch.

You were here from my legal team about that merch shit, man.

That's just unauthorized merch, by the way.

I'm not saying I feel like that about Carmelo.

But you, but you

understand the gripe.

Black people are possessive.

The same way white people are possessive.

They done went around and took all the fucking seasonings from FA.

No, they took people.

Sorry, Don.

All right.

They possesses.

That was a good one.

Well, you're not a good one.

That was a great one.

Y'all over there jumping rope and shit?

Wait, what the fuck are y'all doing?

Anyway, black people are possessive.

Go ahead, ish you got a race joke.

Two ropes.

Yo, he's on a roll today, man.

It's cool.

Pardon me.

I understand.

I understand.

I understand.

My other Carmelo question for y'all was, there was talk about a statue.

And Carmelo...

says that he believes he should have a statue in front of the garden.

I agree with Carmelo.

I think he should have a statue.

I think there should be multiple statues.

Yeah, what garden?

Botanical.

Come on, man.

Stop.

Disrespect y'all have this response.

I'm not disrespecting this.

I just want to tell y'all that this is the clip of this pod that he'll hear.

No, I don't understand that.

Yo, my nigga Carmelo Anthony.

Y'all don't be understanding that sometimes.

No, Carmelo Anthony is great.

He's listening to y'all.

He's great.

Y'all don't think he deserves a statue?

What's your name?

What's your real name again?

Ice.

What's your real name?

Fuck me.

Yo, bro,

so if Carmelo Anthony deserves a statue in front of Madison Square Garden, then what are you saying to Patrick Ewing?

That he also deserves a statue in front of Madison.

So where we're going to give him 77 statues?

It's a bunch of motherfuckers that put on that nigga.

I think there's about five people who deserve statues.

I'm good with Clyde Frazier having one

hand.

What are we going to say to Clyde?

Maybe Bernard King definitely.

Oh, yeah, five is wrong.

I could tell when you don't watch the sport.

I don't watch the sport.

Name how many people are there?

If you go into five, it's going to be tough for you to get Bernard King in there.

That's why I said maybe Bernard King.

He said maybe.

Willis Reed, Clyde Frazier.

Coleman Rowan, Clyde Frazier.

Pearl and Clyde got to be.

Those three have to be.

Sorry, and then the fourth would be for me, Mello.

Ewing.

Oh, yeah, sorry, Ewing, and then Mellow.

So that's five statues.

So you don't get to that Bernard King, is all I'm saying.

Bernard King, I'm not dying on the Bernard King Hill.

I'm just saying.

Mark Jackson, no.

No, no.

Strickland.

No.

No.

Jeremy.

Huh?

Jeremy Lynn.

I had a joke for that, but.

No, again,

this takes nothing away from Mello, but I'm just saying, like, if you're going to say,

this is Madison Square Garden, my nigga, it's been some niggas that put that uniform on that brought greater than the city.

Jaylen Brown to New York City.

How about maybe how about in Syracuse?

Oh, he get one year.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

For one year, though?

Yeah.

Yeah, no.

It's a good one.

No.

No.

One year is tough.

Yes.

They won.

They won a championship.

They won.

Yeah, but then you got to.

So what you do to Derek Coleman?

They won.

That's what I'm saying.

What do you do to Sherman?

They've been greater players.

Male Derek Coleman and can do like everybody else.

Get your fucking.

Get the fuck out of here, Derrick.

Darcy knows you.

My man, too.

You be making me talk bad about people I love.

I do.

You.

You just

did that to us about.

Word, about Mellow, and the Mellow's great.

Wait, I'm not talking bad about Mellow.

No, you tried to line it up.

Yo, you know, he's going to hear y'all saying shit.

Well, he's going to hear y'all was Kiki in too much.

I was trying to protect y'all.

Y'all did a lot of Kiki and shit.

Shout out to Chad.

Y'all said botanical gardens.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm thinking from Madison.

When you say what garden, I'm just letting you know what Chris Brinkley is going to play for now.

I think

if you look in L.A., Philly, other major cities, the statues don't have to be the biggest ones, but they should be...

That one they gave Ivan Synonyms.

No, no, no.

that's different.

We're not going to do that.

Oh, you love Alanizers.

I want to make sure you're good, though.

I love Alanizer.

What I'm saying is, you can have, like in LA, Magic should have one, Kareem should have one, Kobe should have one, Shaq should have one, George Mikeen should have one.

Four corners and call it a day.

Yo, once you say George Mike.

Then y'all don't stop.

Then y'all don't watch the sport.

If you don't think George Mike Michael will watch

George Mike and Jerry West

will get out of here, nigga, we're gonna give Kobe

Magic,

Captain, and Shaq a statue.

You don't think Jerry West

will get

an entryway, something like that.

That's the statue.

Everyone.

All right, all right.

Sources confirm your vibe was weird, and yes, everyone felt it.

George Mican.

Yeah, George Michael deserves a fucking stat.

Every day, because he wants me.

I don't got no problem with him.

That wasn't what I was arguing.

I was saying,

once you have to say the name George Mican, we're kicking past our coverage.

And I'm saying that that's okay.

Y'all can say that, but for age.

Get the shit off.

Every singer in the NBA does Mican drills for a reason.

Yo.

The Micing drills.

I'm afraid the Mike and Drills.

Y'all can laugh, but

George Miken was the

time.

George Miken at one point was the all-time leading store in the NBA.

You're right.

You know what's great.

You're right, okay.

Go to night school.

Y'all listen.

Y'all actually.

Go to night school and break it down.

with George, what George Mike did.

George Mike and you was the all-time NPI star.

Hey, we got it, big dog.

All right, sorry.

So, moving back to Carmelo Anthony.

To wrap it up.

We got to tell the nigga they write.

That's all.

Yo, y'all don't see how Mark did when he introduced his one.

Look at him.

I'm just about to ask you about Carmelo Anthony again.

We could move on from Carmelo Anthony.

I was going to ask you just in the final analysis who was saying yes, who was saying no to the Mello statue.

I know y'all saying no.

I never got your straight answer.

I agree with this.

If you do a Mello statue, you have to do a Patrick Ewen statue.

Yeah.

And a Jalen Brunson statue.

It's just too many great people that came before him.

And it's not a disrespect to Mello at all.

It's just too many other great Nick legends that don't have a statue that would be more deserving of a statue than Mellow.

I think that's true.

Like, I think Patrick deserves one more than Mellow.

But I think Patrick deserves one.

I think there should be four or five statues out there, just like in L.A.

and Philly and these other places.

That's all I was saying.

Like the big shits, you know, like the little.

Somewhere in the middle.

Somewhere in the middle.

Not the Hall of Fame road joints that we saw in Philly, but like not the Rocky one one either.

Somewhere in the middle.

That's all I'm going to say.

Two statues.

All right, is there anything else that needs our attention besides George Mike?

You know what?

If George Mike was alive, he would fuck y'all up.

I'll beat this shit up, Joe.

Jump this shit up.

He'll be quick, though.

I would finish George Mike up.

Fuck what?

Do I have that aluminum band and drunk?

Beat the dog shit out of George Michael.

Anyway.

George Mike.

Joe, why is this up on the board that says Joe testifying at Megan trial?

Because they call Ratman in him.

That's why I say,

oh, that's why he was explaining all that shit about me.

Yo, because that's why I'm on the side of a man.

I'm a civilian.

You're flipping.

What you said?

Spin them.

That's how you go ahead.

You got to spin them.

You got a situation.

You got a suspending them.

You just spinning them?

Me and Kylie Jenner.

I mean.

And I'm only saying that, well, it's only on the board because there is a report that traveled around saying that we're going to be called to testify for the defense.

I heard that.

I have not received that subpoena.

Don't check your mail, but I also don't check the mail

and would be able to identify the courier when he steps foot in the strip club.

He's going to catch you in the elevator in your building and be like, yo.

It's going to be a female.

Oh, they're going to send a banger at you.

Oh, shit.

She's gonna be like,

You gonna think she'll speak English?

Your butt, right?

You have been served.

Hitting your surface.

Oh, y'all in sapphires.

Y'all in the mothers.

Y'all in the mothers, dude.

I got it.

I feel you.

That's good.

Oh, y'all in sapphires.

Y'all love that sapphire.

Yeah, so it says that

I know as much about it as you do.

Will you show up if somebody got shit on?

Give it up.

Give him a look.

Can't disappoint the courts.

Yeah, I give them looks.

You got to get on your Cardi.

No, that nigga gonna go there.

Who will show up?

Will Joseph Anthony Button be in the courtroom?

Junior.

Under any circumstances?

Do they ask me to?

Yes.

If they make you.

To take the stand and testify?

Yes.

Whether on the side of the prosecution or the defense?

Yes.

They've been waiting for this.

I don't really think they want what they're asking about.

You like Woody, right?

Boy,

I don't think that they want what they're asking for.

I think that this is a mistake.

Could you imagine sarcastic ass Joe on the stand?

I don't know.

They might have you shook in there, though.

I ain't gonna lie.

You gotta bring Poe with you.

This is a mistake.

Whoever is the brain trust behind this, I'm telling you,

this ain't what you want.

Either.

I got an outfit laid out.

On the bed, first day of school.

No, too.

And on Switch at lunch.

And I'm a phony nigga, too.

So, I mean, I got to see how I feel that day, or who's going to get this testimony?

See what the vibe is, right?

And my testimony for sale, too.

Like, I'm going to get up there and be on bullshit if they call me.

And Meg might put her weight back on.

She put her weight back on.

You definitely going to get up there and be like, you know what?

I was never romantic.

It's a joke, my name.

Meg, you're not funny.

You're never romantic.

Oh, shit.

It's us.

I don't know.

I hope that this doesn't go through.

That's not true.

I hope it does go through.

I don't think it's going through.

It's too good to be true.

Me going into a court to take a stand on a case where jail time is not an option for me.

Like on something that I didn't do at all,

just to take the stand and give my opinion on both the prosecution, the state, and the defense.

Because I got opinions about both of y'all.

I got thoughts on Meg.

I got thoughts on that malacro lady.

So we got to see how it goes.

Joe's going to be in there breaking down the legal system.

No, he's going to get pages of the power.

Everybody in the podcast.

Listen,

y'all thought academics had fun at that little deposition.

You waited and get a load of me.

Brother Polite and that bitch.

Yeah, I'm promoting the pod.

We live.

Prospects, all that.

Everything, goddammit.

So shout out to them.

I look forward to seeing if that's true or not.

But I'm here.

I ain't going nowhere.

I'm not fleeing.

I'm not going to flee.

Okay.

You just want to go in there and look fresh.

I don't know if that's a good thing you're talking to.

I want to go in there and be nosy.

Come back there.

Come back and tell the teeth.

Whatever happened in there that ain't supposed to get out, I'm coming out and tell it or sell it.

Paywall.

One or the other.

One or the other.

Hey, have it your way or have it mine.

We'll see.

We'll see how it goes.

What else is important or unimportant?

I was irritated by this Ryan Clark-Peter Schrager thing.

Were y'all following this?

I was, a little bit, yeah.

Yeah.

What did you make of it?

So for the audience, obviously, Ryan Clark and Peter Schrager were having a debate on air on ESPN about football.

And at some point in their disagreement, Ryan Clark said to him, the thing is, though, And we shouldn't do this on TV, so I apologize if people think this is rude, but that is the non-player in you.

That was his response to the disagreement they had over a play calling decision.

I'm on Ryan Clark's side in this one.

100%.

Let me tell you what Schrager said back.

And then Shraeger said back, I'm not looking at fantasy football, Ryan.

Don't belittle me like that.

I can come in as three X players are saying one thing and give an alternative.

I can come in as three X players are saying one thing and give an alternative that maybe CeeDee Lamb did play well.

So his, I see both sides of it.

I just think,

well, go ahead, Clark.

I'll parse this.

I think that,

first of all, I like when there's players or musicians or whatever the media is that we're talking about that did it to talk about it.

Because they were talking about, I believe, A.J.

Brown and saying he had a bad game because maybe the numbers he put up weren't great, but he was probably out there blocking.

He was being a decoy.

Like, sometimes there's things in the game that don't show up on a stat sheet that a player will be able to tell you about more than

a pundit or an analyst just kind of looking at numbers.

Yeah, I mean, it was sort of the opposite.

I mean, I feel what what you're saying because his point was

that

Lamb had three big drops, including one late drop,

though he also had seven catches for more than 100 yards.

And Schraeger was saying that he still played well.

Clark was saying it doesn't matter because they lost.

Okay.

Right.

And you can have that debate, right?

I think the musician, the player, the person who ran a campaign, whatever your expert thing is,

their voice should matter and they should always be in the room.

For sure.

I just think sometimes that's a lazy response because a lot of time the position that the non-expert is or the non-player is saying has also been said by other players, which was his point.

It's like three players said the same thing, so you can't just dismiss it because I didn't play.

Like, actually, engage the argument.

That's all I'm saying.

My thing is engage the argument.

If we neck and neck, then I'm a tie goes to the player.

But like, I just hate when people do that because sometimes it's demeaning and it's bad TV at some point.

Mark, you're the king of demeaning people.

Yeah, but I also like making good content.

Anyone understands demeaning someone with their area of expertise?

That's you.

That's your middle name.

Now you got a problem with it.

Again, let me tell you why.

Because I think that luxury goes to, you make a fair point, so I'm listening to you.

But that luxury does go to the player.

The player is able to pull that out of his pocket whenever he wants.

Now, if that's the right time or not, valid.

But the player, that is a player privilege.

It's also a logical fallacy.

That's all I'm saying.

Like the appeal to authority.

I'm saying like, there are times where I know more about this thing because I did it.

But the way to win the argument is by pulling out the information that you got from knowing more, not just to say, I'm right because I know the thing.

I agree with that.

That's all I'm saying.

And it's not a good thing.

Bronze has brought smoke to people's doors on ESPN.

This is not his first.

No.

But what do you say then when,

if, if, if the person that did not play has, well, this person played, this person played, this person was all pro.

He was better than you.

He agrees with me.

Now, what do you say to that?

You get what I'm saying?

That's my point.

So I watched the segment and didn't hear him say that.

Yeah.

I didn't hear that.

That's what Schraeger said.

I watched it and don't recall.

I read a quote.

The clips were all very short and they cut off a lot of things because Ryan Clark had more to say that they cut off in every clip that I could find on the internet.

They were just focused on that one thing.

And honestly, my best.

But

I was just going to say that he maybe shouldn't have preempted it in that way.

Nah, fuck that.

If a player said that, then you've stripped me of my ability to say that.

And now I'll engage what you're saying.

We come from the same place.

Gotcha.

If this guy who's never played a down says that, sorry if instinctually my first thought is,

okay, part of your thinking is because you've never done this.

See, I can't say that when I'm talking to a player.

You're coming up with this from somewhere else.

So let me try to figure that out and reply to that.

But if you didn't play, respectfully, it's kind of like up here sometimes where we be having music talks and me and Parks be like,

Okay, I understand y'all saying what I'm saying.

But it now makes your point not be valid because you're saying I only think that way because I didn't play.

But now it has three people or four people or eight people whoever says, no, I agree with that.

So now what do you say?

My point is not valid because I didn't play the sport.

Boy, but I think that's a crock of shit that people think everybody is treated equally.

I'm not treating the guy who just blurts his opinions.

and never suited up, never been in a locker room, never played it down, never touched grass, never got injured.

There's a lot of things that you never did.

Especially respectfully.

I'm not treating you the same way as a player with your same exact thought.

I think that's a mistake that people make a lot.

Especially on ESPN, no disrespect, but there's a lot of like bad takes, especially from people that didn't play the sport and clearly don't really watch a lot of like

footage.

See, I think that that's the greater point that we're getting to.

Imagine being a player and you sharing the airspace with people that think that the Michael Pennix jersey or the Shador Sanders jersey is a Barry Sanders jersey.

Like I'm sharing the airwaves, they're hiring people, they're hiring personalities.

Yeah.

They're not necessarily hiring the people who are so experienced in sports and diving in and delving in and shit.

You people just up there talking.

So if I got to listen to it, yeah, that's going to come out sometime.

And I don't want to say it necessarily about Peter Schrager because I do think that he is actually pretty good.

He knows the shit.

But

if you're always around people that maybe aren't, or you're frequently around people that maybe aren't, you're going to be defensive a little bit.

I get that.

About your expertise.

I just feel like the way to defeat that is by, again,

beating them with the argument.

Don't just say, I'm right because I played.

Say, here, I'll give you a perfect example.

J.J.

Reddick used to do that

on basketball.

He wouldn't say, well, I played.

I'm one of the greatest college players of all time, one of the greatest shoes of all time, so I'm right.

He would break down, get in the weeds, and show them up and say, look, here's all the reasons why what you're saying doesn't make any fucking sense.

And the fact that he knew more than them became obvious because of how he made the argument.

Now, if you want to say that Ryan needs to do a better job in explaining, then fine.

But J.J.

Reddick.

That's why I say it's a lazy argument.

J.J.

Reddick, before he got into his breakdowns, because he was a psychopath with that, started with no disrespect, no offense.

I can't even listen to the bullshit that you're saying as an expert.

J.J.

Reddick always started with some smug.

Yo, I know what you're saying makes sense to you.

Let me give you all of the million reasons why I don't.

And that's all I'm saying.

Give me the million reasons.

Don't be lazy to just say that.

The million reasons are way more valid than

I than I'm me.

That's all I'm saying.

And the last piece of this for me is, again, it's bad TV because as a fan,

no, we're talking about it.

That's good TV.

Yes.

And you brought it up.

It's not bad.

It's not.

Ryan has fought with some of these niggas.

Some of my, one of my favorite pastimes is watching ESPN and figuring out who hates each other.

Well, a report came out today saying that a lot of people don't like working with Ryan Clark.

There's been a lot of people.

I'm one of Ryan Clark's biggest fans.

Me too.

I love Ryan Clark.

I love Clark.

I absolutely love him.

Nobody could say a wrong thing about Ryan Clark in front of me.

Yeah, it's been a lot of smoke with different people around here, though.

But I think that's because he's.

Y'all riding with RG3, you bitch-ass niggas.

Fuck y'all.

I love Ryan Clark.

That's Bob.

Hey, riding with Bob III.

Bob.

Fuck him.

Shout out to Ryan Clark.

I love Ryan Clark.

That's why I want him to win, and I just want him to show how much more he knows than these people rather than just.

I just think if he didn't preempt it with that explanation, it would have been perfectly fine.

All Mark needs to do is just watch football.

This nigga come in here with every football topic in the world and don't watch football.

That's all I got.

That's not all you got, goddamn it.

Look, if y'all can give me a reason to watch football again, I will.

It's great.

It's amazing.

Ravens versus Bills.

I spend that fucking shit outside.

That's it right there.

Ravens versus Bills.

Absurd.

That was an amazing game.

It was.

Bro, that was the best game I've seen.

Every year it is, though.

I'm fine.

No, but this one was

the same as last year.

Yo, last night.

Watch the game.

That was a good game, too.

Stop.

No, that was good.

I ain't watching that.

That was a good game.

You're bugging.

Last night's game was a good game.

It was.

Who played?

The Vikings Bears.

Minnesota and Chicago.

Chicago was kicking their ass, and the Bears just

the fourth quarter went crazy.

And they came back and won the game.

I'm mad I turned off that Bills game, though.

I was sad.

My wife and her friend came back from being out, and I was like, this is a blowout.

Let me go to the VMA.

They didn't make it.

Actually, that's the perfect segue.

Which one of you guys with vaginas left the Bills Ravens game?

I'm sorry.

Watch the VMA.

Hit the drop.

Hit the drop.

It's okay.

It's okay.

I'm sorry.

You gotta do it.

Take it.

Pause or unpause.

Because I was a bitch

on Sunday night.

That people work for me right now.

I'm sorry.

I let Nods down.

I don't got no problem with DM.

You let Nods and Joe down.

Yeah, my bad.

All right, you watched the VM.

I didn't see the BMW.

I didn't

want you.

It was absolute trash from what I saw.

It was

not many big artists there.

Busta Rhymes did a big set.

Salute to Busta.

Mariah came out

to our Stevie Wonder.

He's having a Stevie Wonder year this year.

But the rest of it was, I don't know who these people are, respectfully.

I went to read the winners and I was with you.

I don't know who the fuck none of these are.

I did.

Well, y'all oh no, I was shocked that that was Mariah's.

No, there was pops.

It was like teenage pop stars.

I was very shocked that it was Mariah's first VMA.

That was unbelievable to me.

Unbelievable.

When I saw that she won best R ⁇ B and I saw the other nominees, I'm like, how the fuck?

But if you think about it but then i saw okay she did the performance she got the vanguard award which is like their yeah that's that's their lifetime achievement kind of thing it surprises me a little bit because i had vma is used to operate but at the same time if the award it really is for best video and when i think of mariah i don't think of like bomb ass video what she had some classic videos yeah

fantasy was amazing

uh what's the where they did the whole she got kidnapped um was it uh it was the q-tip produced record i'm with parks on this she had some very good

amazing

yes, I had a crush.

You think Vision of Love Video was like, she sat in a room sitting on the floor?

What's she said?

That's good enough.

That video was.

That's one of the first albums I bought.

I know you sing with your hairbrush in the mirror.

You told us before.

That video worked.

The emotions video is iconic.

The honey video.

Yeah.

I'm with you, though.

Like, she's got that's what I'm thinking.

The honey video.

That was a kid.

She was like,

when I think of that era, I think of Janet Jackson as having the amazing video.

She got it.

I watched a lot of MTV in that era, and Mariah carrie was on both that and va like you turned off oh she lived on there i just don't i just didn't love i love her i didn't videos were videos and i'm not trying to say that she's janet's comp in videos i'm just saying mariah carrie also it's a deserving video big budget videos i mean deserving she was known for she was known for videos for great videos okay maybe i'm wrong i i've never i only think of i never think of mariah carries having like great videos also as big of a uh a behemoth as she was in the industry you know how these award shows well that's what i started with like at some point they should have probably probably gave her a fucking video.

That's what I started with.

I said, I'm a little bit more.

They could have given it to her with the boys to men shit where they're just in the studio.

Like, it wasn't nothing complex.

They gave it to her because she gave them the performance.

We know how this goes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

We know how this goes.

Even that video at the time, see, it's tough to judge shit from 2025, but the one sweet day video, seeing boys to men, and Mariah in a studio, BTS, streaming before streaming, it was a thing.

It was a thing.

I don't know if it's an award-winning video.

I mean, I guess we agree to disagree.

This thing was just jerking off the Mariah Carey.

Oh, I was absolutely.

Oh, no, no, no, Mariah Carrey.

I've never jerked off.

You jerked off to Mariah?

Oh, fuck you.

Absolutely.

You don't like Mariah?

Which Mariah?

Nick Hannah?

She wasn't.

Which wasn't jerked.

You might jerk off.

Wait, so Parks and Freeze have jerked off to Mariah.

Oh, and the Buster Rhymes video where Buster Rhymes was in charge of babysitting

dude's wife.

Oh, that was a classic video in my household.

Ish, did you jerk off to Mariah?

No.

Ashley Witherspoon.

Who the fuck is that?

I'll just naming White People.

Reese Witherspoon, I think.

I'm about to say that's not hit me.

I'm like,

you don't know White Peepers.

I keep saying that's not my bad.

That's Ash.

White people was not my bad.

My girl got some white in it up.

Anyway.

My girl.

Oh my God.

Monday night.

Talk about fishing for a fight.

It's Monday.

She tried it.

You've been acting funny.

How, baby?

Oh, God.

You ain't called me all day yesterday.

I said, Sunday?

Sunday.

So, the first week.

One Sunday.

It's a trap.

It's a trap.

It's a trap.

It's a trap.

It's a trap.

But I fell right for it.

You mean yesterday?

When football was on?

We've been waiting eight months for this.

All day.

She said, yeah, I was texting you.

I was calling you.

You ain't see that, but you have time to be on Instagram.

You have time to be on Instagram.

I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's different.

I can be on Instagram.

And watch the game.

And watch the game.

I could do whatever I want and watch the game.

Guess one thing that no man in America did yesterday:

call or text or talk to

himself.

That part.

It was the morning.

I was going downstairs.

I was like, hey, babe, I'm going to go downstairs.

She's like, oh, so I guess that means you don't come down, right?

I'm like, yeah.

Well, I mean,

it's your house.

I'm what you want to do it's your house.

And we'll be watching the game.

Bro, I told Shorty yesterday.

It was about

10.30 in the morning.

I'm like, look, I'll get lunch together, baby, whatever, whatever.

I said, because look, before one?

Once one o'clock get here.

Before one.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, baby.

Straight up, yo, look, when one o'clock get here.

Yup.

Don't talk to me.

Yeah, 12:30.

Y'all want to see some pre-game?

See, that's my problem.

Don't talk to me.

I'm not communicating, boy.

Yes.

You got to let them know what that means.

I just got the 12.30 call in.

12.30.

Hey, babe, love you.

You the best.

Okay, bye.

I don't have no answer.

I let them know.

You're the only girl I love.

I'm faithful.

Okay, bye.

Guess what happened at 107?

111.

Right there, right there.

Hey, you think you'd be able to mail something for me?

My nigga.

I said, I said.

Post office closed today.

I swore.

Wait, no, because I be thinking I'm in La La Land.

I swore I just said to you,

this is week one of football.

Damn.

She said, all right, fuck you, you don't want to talk to me.

Two hours later, here come her favorite meme.

I love it.

I love it.

Another meme.

Now she's just meme.

I'd like to admit that.

Do not disturb.

Yeah.

Get that little half move.

You got to tell.

You got to tell me.

You got to look at that.

You got to say that.

But she fried me the next.

She tried to fry me the next day.

But I'm like, you're frying me.

You got to loosen up the leash.

You're not losing the leash bam i'm in the house watching football yo i'm talking to my fantasy team co-manager i'm looking up stats like football doing mad guy shit word

anyway she listened to this so i'm moving on

i'm sorry you went through that yeah no that's right that's my bad just communicated though that's that's that's the listen we cool it ain't it ain't uh sunday or Thursday.

So

ain't no beef now.

We chilling now.

Anyway, what else is important?

I know Mark was,

you, that Dame Dash shit was important to you.

And Dame said some shit about me, too.

A lot of niggas been talking about me.

Yeah,

Dame's been back in the news a lot.

Dame Dash and Camron.

And it's been interesting.

It always makes me sad when I see Dame Dash and Camron or Dame Dash and anybody who he had a relationship with have beef publicly.

I'm not blaming Dame for it.

I'm just saying I hate to see that kind of thing.

But it started off as kind of lighthearted, it seemed like Cam and Dame.

And then it seems like the jokes turned serious a little bit as they started having a little back and forth about their past, about their relationship, about who supported who.

At some point, Dame was saying that Cam didn't support his movie.

What's it called?

Men of Honor?

It's called Honor Up.

Honor Up, I'm sorry.

And I'm on record for saying that as one of the three worst movies I've ever seen in my life.

Cam did a favor not supporting that movie.

Is it worse than Snakes on the Plane?

It's worse than every movie you could possibly name.

Outside of Nick Cannis, Chirac, and Baby Belly 2.

What about that other plane?

Sharknado?

No, Sharknado's fire.

That's a club that's fine.

We're not doing that.

We're not doing that.

Oh, yeah, and all the Fridays.

I let it go the first time.

I'm not doing it again.

I let it go.

I ignored it.

He tried it.

And all of the Fridays.

Friday the 13th?

He's like, no, he's talking about.

Yeah, get him out of here.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Like, when I saw that, I'm like, dog, that movie was horrible.

So.

What about the Itches Elbow movie when he was on the plane?

That was a show.

It was a show.

That was hijacked.

Hijacked.

It was a show.

It was kind of a good show.

It was a show.

Yes.

Yeah.

I was getting old.

My memory.

memory, that blood pressure medicine, they say it as a symptom.

Your vision is going to get blurred and memory.

You're going to just keep taking it, huh?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Figure that's better than that.

Sometimes not for.

Figure that's better than, you know, heart attacks.

Yeah, the other alternative, blindness.

Got it.

Have you checked how much,

what's that shit?

Cholesterol?

The shit that surrounds the heart that you got to check how much clog, the clogs that you have to worry about.

Maybe arteries are.

I'm good.

You're good because Mandy said you're good.

No, because all my levels at the doctor said I was good.

Because Mandy, your doctor.

You on Mandy's dick.

Get off.

Get the fuck out of here, yo.

Excuse me, Mandy's dick.

Wow.

What were we talking about?

Damn, Dash.

Damn, Dash.

Yeah, Mark, go ahead.

What did he say about you?

So what did he say about me?

Dames said that all of the hot podcasters are Rockefeller podcasters.

Right.

But he was lamenting that.

He was basically saying that, like,

we had this hot thing going on, and instead of having these artists who are pushing the culture and advancing the culture and laughing at the journalists and laughing at the media, now y'all have become the media.

Y'all become the media.

He was talking about Cam, Mace, him, Nori.

I thought all of y'all were rock stars, not chatty little bitches.

Basically, he didn't say that.

But

that's what he was trying to say.

We're still waiting for the.

You could be a rock star, chatty little bitch.

So I want to let Dame know, when I try not to support America New.

You got to start with that.

Support Dame's shit.

America New.

Go check it out.

Now that that's out the way, Dame has to stop.

Hey, leave me out of all that.

Whatever you're doing.

My name should have nothing to do with that.

I was Rockefeller for 79 seconds and I keep it a secret.

It's not something that I run around promoting or I'm proud of.

I ain't released an album on Rockefeller.

I ain't put a song out on Rockefeller.

Did you get a Rock Chain?

I didn't get a Rockefeller chain.

I didn't get a Rockefeller cup of coffee.

You got some spaghetti?

No, I didn't.

I didn't get a Rockefeller penny.

So when you having these Rockefeller conversations and shit, Hove don't even recognize me in the Rockefeller Order.

It's always Dame talking.

Keep me out of that.

I'm not a Rockefeller rapper, artist, podcaster.

I don't have nothing to do with none of that shit.

Carlene barely buzzed the gate when I was at the motherfucker.

Who's a update?

Carlene ain't one of the joke guys here again.

Dame when Hover, Carlene was back there.

Yeah, so I love Dane.

Like I said, I'll never have a negative word to say about him.

He's loaned me money out of his pocket.

I won't say nothing bad about him.

But please, I'm not Rockefeller nothing.

I don't claim it.

I'm not repping it.

Shit, you might shouldn't be repping it.

No, but that's not my business.

That's not my business.

A Rockefeller podcast.

Are you crazy, Dave?

Well, I think his bigger point was just he thought y'all were cool, and the space y'all operate in is gossiping.

We're not cool enough for you to dictate nothing about my actions.

Hey, anybody out there that think we're cool enough for y'all to dictate how I move, that's triggering for me.

That's been a problem with me since pre-K.

I'm rebellious.

I just told my girl this shit.

Some people.

No, for real.

Whatever the grain is, it's in my blood and DNA to be against it.

We just made it up that way.

Sorry.

The fuck out of here.

But that's my man, so

I don't have nothing negative to say about him.

And don't make it seem like I came and started this shit when it was in season, when it was trendy and

facts.

You telling the Joe Button story wrong.

Don't tell my story.

You not qualified to tell it.

Shut the fuck up or deal with dumb.

Deal with the niggas you have that type of history with.

My stick was for a minute and a half.

And honestly, that shit fucking ticked me off when he said that shit.

Niggas just be dropping my name and shit that has nothing to do with me.

Please.

Don't compare me to Bleak.

Don't compare me to nobody that's ever been on Rockefeller that has a podcast.

It's not the same.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

It is interesting how many former Rockefellers.

It is interesting podcasts, though.

I mean, damn near all of them.

Everybody but beans and free, damn near.

See, that's the norm.

That's what somebody in hip-hop would say.

Where I'm sitting at, I say, it's interesting that so many people have podcasts.

I'm not, don't bunch me in with this hip-hop shit.

It was three of y'all when I started, right?

Which to me is a Dame Dash.

It's in it to me, it's in his spirit.

I would think he would want you to do that.

And I'm not saying he doesn't, but Dame Dash is always about own your own shit, build your own own create your own lane make another vertical that's what you've done here so i would think he would be shouting that out i'm not walking around looking looking for congratulations from anybody but i also don't have to be a part of whatever story and reshaping of things you're trying to i don't want nothing to do with that i don't want nothing to do with that dame i love you i wish you nothing but the best i'm sure you wish the same for me but i don't want nothing to do with that well well 50 cent uh just bought uh the rights was it paid in full yeah yeah um and of course cameron is part of that so dame mentioned that last night, that became part he's kind of clowning uh, Cam saying he worked for 50, yeah, now you work for 50.

I don't know the business arrangements, I doubt that he works for 50, but I don't know the business arrangements, but it's just the next level of their back and forth.

Oh, this one seemed a little more uh lighthearted.

Also, it's just a wild

mentality.

Like,

some people just have this thing where I, and Dame is one, he's on record saying like he can't work for nobody, he has to be the boss.

And

okay, cool, but there's nothing wrong with partnering up as well.

Yeah, it's like some people just always want to look down on that.

Or maybe I might work for you to level up to them.

Now I go do that.

Like somebody.

If 50 has built an empire in TV and film, if Kim was, and I don't know that he is, if he was hypothetically working for 50 in this case, I don't think that that's a terrible thing.

It's a good spot to be.

Right.

This idea that you never will work as talent to me is weird or that you'll never, because he was clowning, yeah, they were clowning each other for working as talent for VH1 or for MTV or these other different shows.

I mean, again, I don't care about, because they're friends, they're going to be friends again.

They love each other.

It's going to be peace.

But, like, I think about the audience watching that and this idea that now everybody who gets a nine-to-five, everybody who's in the business of entertainment, who takes a talent, you can't even take a talent contract now?

Let's address that.

Do y'all feel like that word is or has become a diss?

And if somebody calls y'all

just talent, are you taking offense to it?

They are.

They call us just talent literally to diss us.

I haven't heard anybody.

I see it regularly.

I'm just asking.

I see it.

I don't give a fuck.

But you take it as an affinity.

No, I don't take

it.

I know they mean it.

Let me tell you what.

That's how they mean it, though.

Yes.

Nigga, when you go to ATT and you answer that phone, you talent.

When you go to your accountant firm, when you go to Goldman Sachs,

when you wrote up blah, blah, blah with partners and you're an attorney for this company, nigga, you are their talent.

Drop back in the huddle.

Yes, you are talent.

You are a spirit.

So unless you own your own shit and it has your name on it or your brand on it, ding, ding, ding, nigga, you talent.

So you can't insult me calling me talent.

Should that be a diss today?

No, nigga.

What the fuck are you talking about?

You gainfully employed.

What happened is niggas learned this ownership word.

Yes.

And ran it.

Niggas heard this entrepreneurial shit.

That's it.

And now it's jumped out of the shit.

Now you ain't shit.

Like it's the thing to be.

You ain't shit if you don't own it.

And that's the thing I disagree with Dame about because to Dame's credit.

I love Dame Dash, bro.

It's a horrible message.

It's a horrible message.

Exactly.

I just don't speak on it a lot because I respect Dame.

I really, really, really, really respect Dame.

It's a horrible message.

When he got on Hot 97 and said it, it was a horrible message then.

Yeah.

My nigga, you not being an owner of something does not make you less of a man.

One, it could be a goal of yours to own some shit so that you have the ability to leave it to your family, leave it to your children, and just be the outright owner of it.

That is fly.

Most people don't ever reach that.

And so if you discredit a man and his hard work ethic because he don't work for himself, I think that shit is a horrible message to some people.

And how do you run a business?

To me, it'd be hard to hire people if I would want to work for you.

Looking at you, looking at me like you think I'm less of a man.

You think I'm your daddy?

Like, you know, because that's what he said.

Like, you know,

somebody's my boss is like calling him daddy.

So then, what does that mean when I'm trying to hire people?

I agree with everything you guys are saying.

I'm going to start there.

And I want to also say to the people listening: if you understand how talent can be received as a diss, then you're ahead of the game and you're doing what you need to do in terms of financial literacy.

We preach that all the time up here, but that for me is part of it.

Like for you to have the understanding to take talent as a diss or to know what someone means by it, it means you have more information than the person starting at Go.

I think that's all I have to say.

Part of financial literacy also is just making good business decisions for yourself, which may include being in employee.

Hold on, go ahead.

Go ahead, it's what you mean, really.

You said that if somebody looks at talent, the word talent, as a quote-unquote diss.

Not looks at it, they understand

intention behind it.

Yeah, like somebody calling that talent is trying to diss you, then they are ahead of the person starting at Go.

You're at least in that world.

I get what he's saying.

Yeah.

Go doesn't teach you that talent is a diss.

Go teaches you to be talent.

Right.

Go teaches you that talent is the way to be to the way to to fame, the way to be, to make or break you talent.

Talent is the thing to be.

That's in Hollywood, that's in music, that's in.

Everywhere.

If you go a little further in the book

and see what the back end is or what people that are not talent are making, and that's all around the back,

and you get to talk to them about how they view talent.

like where the real money is made, then you start to take offense because you understand where that's coming from and then you fight to not be looked at as solely talent where then you fight

to participate

i i just yeah i think i think that's personal preference i think that some people are okay with being talent i think that some people are okay with that's not what i'm talking about i know but i'm just only talking about understanding i know but i'm saying like as a diss

everybody don't want to be the ceo i'm only talking about understanding how it could be a diss then you're ahead of you.

I agree with what you're saying.

I'm not saying that you're lesser than if you're talented.

I'm not saying none of that.

But to know what other people mean,

to know more languages than just your own,

you're ahead of the person that is ignorant and has no knowledge at all.

That's all I'm saying.

Good luck to Dame and anything that he's bad for.

Dame, I love you.

We'll talk.

We always talk.

And I was shown you.

But keep me out of fucking Rockefeller conversations, please.

Please, please, I beg of you.

I beg of you.

I shouldn't be a Rockefeller example in nothing,

in nothing at all.

There's another story.

I don't know if this is too white for you.

Charlie Sheen.

Mark, can I look at some nigga topics?

Let me check my nigga boys.

It's not about Charlie Sheen, really.

Speaking of nigga.

Go ahead.

See, that's more juicy to me.

Charlie Sheen.

Well, it's just that he was on Good Board in America talking about when he got...

When he started smoking crack, he started having sex with dudes.

No one else saw this?

I saw it.

I saw it.

Well, if that doesn't help Mark,

it doesn't help Mark.

Tell me more.

I was waiting till the dock dropped to really talk about it.

I saw something like this, but I'm not researching on it.

He's got a book out.

He's got a book out called The Book of Sheen.

He's got a documentary coming out.

He went on GMA and he's talking about him being relieved when he found out he had HIV, although he was depressed about it because of years of just wiling and

just having a whole different life.

And part of that was having sex with men.

And for him, he said he didn't start having sex with men until he started smoking crack.

So crack, so cracked them.

Turned him out.

That's sort of where I was going to ask y'all.

It was less about Charlie Sheen and more about...

He's from the blast dick to the real dick.

See, for me,

he went from sucking on the blast dick to the real dick.

Yeah.

What?

I'm sorry.

I don't got no problem with gay people.

Gay people work for me right now.

Oh, my God.

I'm damn near around gay people every day because they work for me.

I don't got no problem with them.

What Charlie Cheen is attempting to say, I find in the same vein of what Young Thug was saying.

Don't say very in this conversation.

We're not gonna be mature at all.

Hit the button, nigga.

Hit the button.

No problem with that people.

Gay people working right now.

I'm damn around gay people every day because they work for me.

I don't got no problem with them.

It's in the same world

as what Young Thug had to say about that community to me.

Like, Charlie Sheen sounds like he's saying,

I wouldn't have fucked the dude if it wasn't for crack.

Now.

But then he said, but now I'm cool with it, though.

He cleaned it up.

No, Charlie Sheen.

You were cool with it.

It was always in there.

I know we need to look for justification.

I know we need to figure it out within ourselves.

Charlie Gene, you was cool with it, and he happened to have some crack on him.

But oh, shit.

I mean, there are two pipes in the same

planning.

God damn it.

No problem getting people.

Sources confirm.

Your vibe was mirror.

And yes, everyone felt it.

Everyone felt it.

Everyone felt it.

It was also crazy.

All this to me was just like pre-roll for this book.

And Doc?

Yes.

And guess what?

It worked.

It worked.

It worked.

Oh, it was.

I was definitely wanting to watch it.

I was fascinated by Charlie Sheen.

Charlie Sheen don't even know how much equity the name Charlie Sheen came.

Charlie Sheen, all you had to do was say, I'm putting a book up.

I'm putting a book out.

That's it.

Crack.

And it's going to be the shit.

I'm telling you.

A tell-all book.

And we were going to get that book.

You ain't have to tell me about no crack.

I just assumed that.

That was in my default Charlie Sheen thought.

Oh, he was on crack.

I knew that book.

Yeah, it word.

I heard the story.

I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he did that shit.

He did that shit.

Go ahead, Charlie Sheen.

You the man.

What'd you think, Mark?

I thought that this would lead to some really immature jokes, and that's what I was hoping for.

But

I think that what you think is that drugs open you up not to yo

hit the button five

i've earned it i've earned it i've earned it

or hit the button i don't give it to me

people work for me right now

i'm damn near around gay people every day because they work for me i don't got no problem with them

but that was just my thought i'm not shocked that he said it i just think to your point that just allowed you to give yourself yourself an excuse to do what you already wanted to do.

If we didn't have a guest coming, all the other stuff, I was going to ask y'all, sort of went inhibited, what's the wildest shit y'all did?

Uh, not that level of wild.

I always do.

All right, I'm gonna stand down.

I'm done here.

I'm done here.

I'm done here.

I'm done here.

All right.

I'm just thinking about when you have something come through and

she got the drug on you that you're not familiar with.

And she tried to get you to die.

And they had chicks come over with some special K.

Same.

With some

acid shit, I heard you.

Some CBDs, some crazy shit I never heard of.

Yeah, some shit that you needed.

That was a girl that brought huffing through.

Oh, yeah.

As a dude,

yeah, I wasn't home just like, let me huff.

So you never did it.

You never dabbled in?

I huffed when I was.

So after I pitched, bitch, I thought it was

shit, I'm not trying to special K I gave you a bunch of people.

You're huffing and then I'm hunching.

And I'm saying huff, but it was the laugh gas shit that they said, Kanye about the title.

Like, girls are coming through.

I mean,

in Charlie Sheen's case, dudes are coming through.

But whoever you fucking.

He had that shit on him.

Yeah.

What?

All right.

Yeah, I'm good.

Let me see what else is important or unimportant.

Let me hit my list.

Let's see.

Yo.

Shit, niggas are due for some.

Meek Mill,

because I did want you guys' opinion on this.

Meek Mill tweeted, which is one of my favorite things to do.

He's tweeted.

Pull it up, free, pull it up free, pull it up free.

Meek Mill said he's looking for $5 million

for his next book,

album, and short film.

And he's not understanding why labels are lowballing him.

All right, I got the tweet.

Let's do it.

I need $5 million in funding for book, album, and short film.

These label deals are not looking fair at all.

They ruined the game, basically.

But I can reboot the whole thing.

Why can't I get the same attention as a tech investment in rap?

What the helly?

Distinguished panel.

I agree with him.

There's a slight difference.

Distinguished panel.

I agree with him.

Let's fight.

The numbers don't.

It's the numbers that surprise me.

I don't know enough about music business numbers at this point to know know what he should deserve.

I know the book industry, if I was giving out a book deal to Meek Mill, I'd probably give him somewhere between half a million and a million dollars.

So I'm like, that's one of the five.

That's one.

And then, so now I'm thinking about a short film, I don't think it's worth that much.

And y'all can answer the music question.

And so for me, the question was more like, why would he need a capital investment?

No,

I think the dollar amount that we're focusing on is one thing.

I think what he's trying to say is that when these tech startups happen or when any other companies happen, they go get seed capital.

So why couldn't hip-hop artists go get seed capital and pay your investors back and circumvent the label?

They do it.

I think that's genius.

Yeah.

I don't do that.

Again, I've never, I don't know.

TLC did it.

Yeah.

Did it?

So did I think Daylos sold maybe?

Someone else did.

But a couple people.

I'm talking about.

Crowdfunding.

So what he's

doing.

So what I'm saying, he's that the idea, maybe the 5 million might be off, maybe two, three, whatever the case may be.

I still think that we complain about the label so much.

What he's saying makes sense to me.

But I'm not in the music business.

But what if they're offering them two,

three?

But they might be offering five.

But they might be offering two for their control of your shit.

Whereas if you just busting down the investors back on a percentage basis from an investment perspective, then you own your shit.

What if they don't think it's a sounding?

I was just getting ready to.

That's what it sounds like.

Because again, this is the same me who brags about being friends with Robert Kraft, Hove,

what's my man from Philly, Michael Rubin,

who got that.

Speak to that.

That's a good point.

In abundance.

That's a great point.

So

if these are your people and they don't believe in it enough to give you that,

then maybe it's, and they're professionals at this.

This is what they do.

So maybe it's not as a sound investment as you think it is.

So, well, the difference in that in tech is that the return on a movie or album or book is nowhere near is

likely to be as high as a tech if it works.

If the tech hits.

If it works, if it works.

Because it's mad tech.

Album's got to hit too.

You know, it's mad tech shit that don't hit.

We got to hit era.

The upside is huge in tech.

The upside is crazy.

There's more hope in the tech that failed than whatever Meek is talking about.

And I want Meek to win.

I love Meek.

Sincerely,

I think an album from him would be great.

I think a book from him would be great.

A film would be great.

But it's not the same as a tech investment.

A tech investment, you invest a million hoping to become a billionaire.

Right.

You know, right.

You don't invest in a book or a film or hour

to get a thousand times return on your investment.

I ain't seen it.

I mean, I've never seen it happen.

Unless you, it's, it's

a low.

I'm not going to shoot on what he had to say.

I think he's on the right route, even if I disagree with the tweet.

Sometimes you need to be forced into your independence.

True.

So let's say this, right?

From an investment perspective.

My bad.

Go ahead.

Pardon me.

You could also find investors

and be independent.

But when the entire field, and I'm only taking this from his tweet, when the entire field is saying you weigh off in the numbers, you got to go yourself and prove them wrong and find your own metric.

Just listening, a book.

A short film, I've never seen a rapper short film benefit anybody but the rapper.

Yeah.

Like, that's just the truth of it.

Like, as artists, we have to start finding different ways to either

prove our worth or show our worth.

But it's not in short film.

That's ancient, that's ancient verbiage.

If you're trying to get a deal in 2025, a book, I'm with Mark.

You're not, it's not, it's not.

We're going to give you a million dollars.

That's generous.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And in music today, where you are, you're on your independent journey, it ain't worth

that if you're asking for it.

I'm not saying it's not worth it, but if you're asking for it, there's nobody that's of sound mind that's giving Meek Mill, unless it's your own boy, unless it's your friend.

And in that case, you should do it yourself so you can not be the talent.

See, that's why we be having multiple conversations.

It's some niggas that want to spend their life being the talent, and they're fine with that.

True, right.

But don't get to talking like you want to sit in other seats and you're not ready ready to strap that belt to do that.

And I think that's where

I think that's where Meek is right now.

Exactly.

I think that's where I said that about Yay back when he was beefing with them.

And I'm like, yo, get the money, build your own factories, get your own.

If you want to have, go to war, then go to war.

The same with Meek.

Nobody's giving Meek five million for none of the shit he's talking about.

And I'm dying for a new Meek project.

I can't wait for it.

I'm a huge Meek fan.

That's not happening.

Like, now we just tweeting shit now.

That's it.

And I'm with Mark.

You kind of got to wonder why you don't invest your own.

I know there's the age-old saying, spend a lot of money.

I just think you need to know when that's applicable.

I think there's times where that's correct.

I think there's times where that correct corrections.

I mean, not knowing nothing.

He might not have $5 million to put into that.

All like that.

Or if I can't get their money, then I'll spend mine.

Call Hove.

Call the names you mentioned.

Michael Rubin.

Call all of your multi-millionaire billion

and billion

multi-million and billionaire buddies.

I remember when I was broke and I needed a car and I didn't have no good sense and I called Andre Godal up.

Yeah, yo

I need to put a car in there.

Get the fuck off the phone.

You serious?

That nigga dunked.

That nigga dunked him.

Fuck you, dude.

Why'd you ask him?

Y'all that cool?

No.

I just said I was ignorant, unaware, naive, young, all of the words that you could put with being that young and desperate.

It was desperate.

It was just desperate.

Wow.

Ciao then.

That's my guy, though.

I love Andre Hughes out.

Yeah, me too.

That's my man.

All right.

A few people I need to introduce.

Tomorrow, off the yard.

Off the back of your head.

Yo, get the fuck up.

Who this?

No, but first he said, who this?

My bad.

Go ahead.

Interesting time.

Look at your face, yo.

That's my bad.

That's peace.

Yeah, Tomoff.

Yeah, yeah.

Good job.

Go ahead.

Andre Eagle Dollar for a car.

Yo, y'all.

That's the wildest shit y'all.

You can't just watch that story.

I just sat down.

Are you serious?

Oh, man.

And y'all wasn't tight like that.

Y'all, why ain't never telling them to watch that story?

This might be wild.

Oh, man.

I didn't tell you guys.

You ain't no ish back then.

Nobody else had credit.

You ain't had no checks.

Oh, man.

That's what niggas was doing.

Oh, shit.

Oh, man.

Yo.

Holy shit.

Oh, I did at the right time.

That's great, bro.

Oh, man.

This is him.

I'm going to take a response to this because I need to hear these.

I need

to go on one of them.

Go live.

I don't care.

Yo, go on anybody's show, Brandon.

I ain't going to say nothing bad about me.

I just need to hear that.

How did Good Don't love me?

I understand that.

Not enough,

Not enough to get the wet.

I think this is a really funny joke.

But

also, it makes me want to return fire.

Oh, my God.

Why niggas can't be the joke?

I feel like that.

Explain.

Nigga, be the joke.

A couple niggas who I know they business.

Oh, nigga, I put

y'all having a lot of fun.

Antoine ain't never had no car in nobody now.

You can't say nothing about me, nigga.

Well, because a few of the girls said no.

I've never tried to put a car in the girl.

Don't get an attitude with me.

I did.

I didn't.

Don't get an attitude with me.

And all of mine that was mine would have said yes, nigga.

No, no.

Joe, you ain't got to do that.

I ain't had to go like that.

I just took a car.

I just had a good car.

Don't put a name on her.

As far as mine,

it's not for nothing.

Mine had nice cars.

She needed a free.

What?

You guys, I don't have time to be immature with you.

We have a very, very, very, very, very, very special guest here.

We do.

Yes, sir.

Somebody that I've been dying to talk to.

This person put out arguably one of my, not even arguably, one of my favorite projects this year.

Yeah.

Do me a favor, put your hands together.

Amani the singer is here.

All right.

Now that we got that intro out of the way,

also here,

one of my favorite, favorite artists today.

Also, one of my favorite projects this year.

Put your hands together.

Terror the rapper.

Big chance, the rapper indoors.

This is hilarious.

Big chance.

All right, let's let my man get set up.

Oh, shit.

We got Imani the singer Hanson.

That's not my name.

No, that's your name now.

Now is your name.

That's your name.

Oh,

my God.

That's it.

Yeah, single T is coming out now.

You look fucking terrific, man.

Thanks.

You keep saying that.

I'm skinny right now.

But that's part of

beauty norms in society today.

It's being lean and trim.

You like the rock.

The new rock, right?

The new rock.

For real.

You look like you on some type of salad diet.

How did you get this slim?

No, I just.

Because our brother here.

You mean your mirror?

Yamira here.

Us here.

How'd you do it?

I just lost a lot of weight finishing the album.

Like, I was, I guess, not eating and sleeping enough.

That doesn't sound healthy.

Sorry, that was dark.

I wasn't trying to be dark.

I was stress loss.

Stress loss?

Well, I'm gaining some of the weight back, but like the week that it dropped, I was like the smallest I've ever been.

Like my face looks like skinny and shit.

Dave, he was really stressed out over this album.

It's just, yeah.

I mean, I stress out every time I make an album.

Like I'll be like.

It's

a lot of pressure to deliver.

It's just, I have, I believe in art, like as an idea of like trying to make something the best you can.

So it's like, I think anytime once you get to a point where you're like, all right, I got to put this shit out, it's like all the ideas or things that I've seen wrong with it, I'm like stressing over, you know.

I feel like that's how everybody is when finishing a project.

It's like, but yeah, well, listen, it came out.

So thanks, man.

Yeah, we

love it up here.

Yeah.

No, I appreciate y'all.

Yeah, I'm not glazing you yet.

Let's fuck with Atari.

I know they're happy to see you.

Your album's cool.

I'm not glazing.

No, his album's great, but I'm not.

We're not at the glaze portion of this for me.

Yeah.

Now, this

is the little as hell.

All right, there we go.

Yo, I can tell.

I'm like,

thanks, Mark.

Now,

are we getting like political pundit chance in this sit-down or

political pundit?

No, chance.

I disagree with that.

You're saying, like, are we going to talk about the stuff?

Or can we talk about deep stuff?

No, I don't care about beefs.

No, I care about.

I said deep.

Oh, yes.

Like, can we talk political nicknames like humans?

Like,

guy to guy.

Chance, you go like this.

That's not like you do it, Justin.

Like this, like this.

Like this?

Yeah,

is this way yeah

you go cuz I have so many questions for you and I guess at the start of that is I heard the album how and where is your mental health it's good I mean I don't know anyone to say it's bad

your weight loss

could be married to

a dark mental state too so I want to make sure we good I heard the album yeah I listen to lyrics yeah I think it's like this you said when I'm alone

I

think I could just die.

No,

I don't want to confuse that line.

I'm so glad you said that because that's on that's on purpose.

That line scared the shit out of me.

Yeah, it's not, it's not like sometimes when I'm alone, I want to die.

It's like this feeling of,

because in that moment, the line before it is,

sometimes I think she was the love of my life.

So when I'm alone, sometimes I think that I'm dead.

It's like

my life for a long time was running, you know, intersected with somebody and now it's running parallel.

And so when, I think a lot of people told me that they resonate with that line, people that have been through divorce, people that have been through loss, period.

If this person is my life, and now I'm starting to, it's like now that life is over.

Before you die.

You know what I'm saying?

Starting a whole brand new life.

Yeah.

So it's like,

there are a lot of reflective moments in the album where I'm like vulnerable about, you know, my mental state.

But this is also over the course of six years.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's like,

these songs didn't all get made in the last couple of months.

These are songs that just got reworked and reworked and reworked.

And so it's like

my mental state today is great.

I was excited to see you niggas.

Like, I don't know.

They even made this shit dark.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, how are you going to start off on bullshit?

Come on, man.

I got to make sure he's okay lost weight.

Oh, man.

What are you talking about?

I got to make sure he's good.

That's it.

And now we got fun.

Yeah.

What happened?

What did you do for six years?

Men in a black ass couch.

Like, how do y'all see?

Thank you, bro.

They hate these couches.

They hate these couches.

Trying to get the right posture.

You got to plant your face.

It's not one.

You got to plant your face.

You're going to keep sliding.

You got to slide the whole thing.

It's making my pants for me.

Mel normally puts a pillow behind the bag.

You want a pillow?

I'm straight.

All right.

I figured.

I figured.

Did you hear everyone's criticism over the last project?

And what were your thoughts?

I didn't hear any criticism.

There was criticism over the.

No, I'm joking.

Yeah, I mean that shit was wild it what I've been you know trying to explain to people is like

I took it very personally right

in the beginning of it.

I think anybody would you know what I'm saying?

And I think what I didn't realize until I started to go back outside was that There was a stark contrast between what I was experiencing in the real world and what I was seeing promoted on the internet.

And

even to the extent of like what my sales were and what the original like critiques from reviewers were versus again what I'm seeing repeated over and over again on the internet.

Right.

And that's just in the past.

So it's like, you know what I'm saying?

It is what it is.

But I definitely felt like a concerted effort to like,

you know what I'm saying, like

devalue my name or my value overall in the industry as a voice.

And so I was pressed, but I also persevered.

You know what I'm saying?

And

would you do anything different with that album now?

No, I was explaining that also recently.

That's a great question.

Like, these are documentations of my life.

Like,

I didn't make it being like...

I hope this shit's up.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I liked it and I still like it.

And there's still people that, like, you know what I'm saying, come to me and tell me what it meant for them in that moment.

And it's like.

so you didn't feel like you were overboard on that particular content because that's what the the the word was the word was i think there are a lot of different arguments made for why there was this widespread negative you know internet that's not reaction to it but that's not true but i i seen that it was because of that i've seen because you know what i'm saying it was it was uh it was too pop i've seen because it was too many tracks i've seen because it was i've seen a bunch of people explain it a million different ways but like I know that there's people that love it, there's people that didn't like it, and there's people that never heard it, but heard a lot of negative things about it.

So it's like at the end of the day,

the only thing that matters is that it is what it is.

I created and documented a part of my life that's going to exist, and it might help some people.

It might, some people are just like, I hate it.

That's the worst thing that ever happened.

But it's like, at the end of the day, I create.

Like, that's what my job is.

How long did it take you to bounce back from that?

Like, emotionally?

It did it really take you six years or were you ordered?

I mean, I'm still getting mad sometimes.

I don't sound over it.

You know, this nigga jokes.

It's just one album, bro.

Let it go.

But that's what I'll be saying.

It's like, I dropped arguably, to me, one of the most important projects of this decade.

Like, what I'm talking about on my album is different.

And so

to me, it's like

the conversation of what

this album is.

When people try and tie it to that, I'm like, why?

You know what I'm saying?

Like, what is what is, is,

is, it is what it is.

You feel what I mean?

If you heard what I had to say, and you did, you told me,

then

the juxtaposition was important for me to highlight, right?

Like, and it was, it was,

I didn't know how to feel about it.

This, this album that you just released, I think is some of your best work, coloring book aside.

But I mean, as an artist, I have to notice how you sound and the road that kind of was the precursor to before.

No, 100%.

It's a part of my story.

It's not like I'm trying, I don't think that the project is important to the, to everything is.

You know what I'm saying?

Like it's like a bunch of works all coming together cumulatively to be who I am today.

But it's also like, I think

my

project that I that I just dropped is so crucial that

even

I think like attacking it from the perspective of like a comeback or a bounce back is like

it's disrespectful to what it is

it is what it is you know what I'm saying and I think like there are you know like you know I'm going through my shit you know what I'm saying you know I got this case so it's like

I know that there's people that win by seeing me view through a certain lens.

And I know, and I know that y'all know the climate of how information gets spread now, right?

And so

I'm fighting the good fight with my music.

I'm doing what I'm doing with my music.

And so the way that the context around how you present anything is going to like affect how people take it in.

That's a fact.

The Big Day is a great example.

There's so many people that didn't even hear the album, that just heard visceral or repeat visceral reactions to it.

You know what I'm saying?

So I understand how information gets spread and how shit is

portrayed a certain way.

And I'll just be getting that, all right, let me move around it with some great

songs.

Some fire.

Could I play some of my couple of my favorite songs?

A couple of seconds.

Yeah.

Oh, well, if you want to know, I'll tell you before I play.

I'll start with some Joey Badass.

Why not?

Cray Rocket.

Let's start with some highs and lows real quick.

Classic chance.

Joey Badass was just here, friend of the show.

Shout out to Joey.

Chicago, what's going on out there?

I'm an emotional roller coaster.

Where high so high, I could put bull bowls on a poster.

But when the bread gets low, like four loaves and a toaster.

Or the shoulders can't get cold as ten toes in Nova Scotia.

Some days I hold a grudge, some days I hold a ghost.

Some days I just ghost Some days I'm supposed to.

The crib feels like a gunfight, but them strollers, that's the whole thing.

Can you explain that line to me?

Because I'm tired of trying to interpret it in my head.

The crib feels like a gunfight.

But the strollers, that's the holster.

We can make amends over old memes and mimosas.

I'm saying, like, the crib is contentious.

Like, it always feels like we in a battle.

And the thing that's holding us back from blowing this whole bitch up is this baby.

The babies, yeah, that's my baby.

My favorite line that people don't get is: I say, uh, whether I'm alone or Creole Lady Marma Laid in it, like that's from that, uh,

from that uh,

yeah,

we know that that menage of twice

part of my problems.

Yeah, I'm gonna know I ain't make my bed, but I'ma lay in it.

Whether it's sandpaper, swaddling it, whether I'm alone, or Creole lady, mama laid in it.

The same pajamas I was afraid, then I boogeyman slayed my blankets, concealed my blade in it.

Emotional seasons.

They told me that I knew you'll always come around.

Come around, come around.

To work out the highs and lows, the ups and downs.

Yeah, that's a one.

That's a U-verse.

Sounds some shit you would have rope.

You know what's crazy when I recorded that?

I recorded that in Atlanta with Joey.

Like, we went to some like,

like, you know, Earn Your Leisure.

Yeah.

They had like a big thing in Atlanta with like this was.

He just spoke out there.

Yo, this was years ago.

With Dr.

Shiny and Brother.

Yeah.

But he, we went to the studio, me and Joey.

And after I laid my verse, Sy High was in the room down the hall.

He came in and he blessed the verse.

Like he was like, hey, this one,

this is an all-time verse.

Like before the beat got even crazier or anything, and I was like, all right, this is going on my album.

That's like three years ago.

Do you have a favorite verse on this project?

Because

I thought you was, what's that other verse?

I'm packing my bag.

And once I unpack, I'm back in my bag.

I love to join with me and Victor Back to the Go.

My favorite verse.

That's my shit.

Yeah.

That no one.

Speed of light shit is crazy uh the last verse on the album is crazy too that's what you that's damn near the best yeah i want to play that but i also want to play this this too i feel like you got off here you sound even kids in school you probably don't even know you got off here

this is actually my my my best okay

so you do know you got off here

sitting waiting on the next vacation we completely hit your ration what happened

let me just break this down real quick because there's three important things you got to know to understand this song and to understand the whole album.

The whole album works in motifs and

they fall throughout the album.

So one, at the beginning, when I say, you know, it's 30 when the sing 30, nowadays you 13, you got to think 30.

And I lay out all these rules for growing up now being thirsty.

I love those rules too.

That's adultification.

And so adultification is like, it's not just like over-sexualizing kids when when they're young.

It's also like

thinking that they're ready to bear the pain or don't experience the pain that they do as children that adults do.

So like there's this

way that we imagine black boys, especially as men, that is like just a part of living now.

That's like culturally there.

The second one, obviously in the second verse, you talk about like medical.

racism and malpractice.

And

the third one is intersectionality.

That's like the, that's the, my problem is your problem.

But like really big on the medical malpractice thing is, is mislabeling and misdiagnosing things.

Children especially.

So throughout the album, I'm talking about how

I was graded or valued over time and having this opposite understanding of myself.

No, I know I'm smart.

I know I know this work.

I know I'm creative, but I'm being labeled or mislabeled or diagnosed or misdiagnosed or

graded unfairly in this way.

I make a lot of references to that throughout the album.

So if you understand the use of words and

how powerful they are, like throughout the album, you get to love it way more because it's like a lot of reaching into that.

How do you promote something like that?

Just like that?

Like

that.

Get these moments to where you can speak in and be heard.

That's the best part.

Some people need it.

Some people need to hear it.

I needed to hear it.

I I love the album.

I've been playing it, but I never caught on that from a different perspective.

Can I ask you, do you feel like

you have that like Donald Duck Matthews thing in music?

I don't know who that is.

I thought you were going to say Donald Duck.

No, no, no, no.

So, Donald, it's the guy from Five Heartbeats.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Robert Townsend?

Yes.

So they would say he was always going to be at his peak or always achieve his prime when he's going through the worst things in his life.

Do you feel like you?

I hope not.

I hate that idea.

Like, I think we got to stop promoting that idea like everybody is a human being like no matter what they is no I'm saying this is serious though because you've been an artist like it's a thing like they still meant some shit about him that's what I'm saying don't promote that to artists because that's how artists end up dying and words have power we listen to the fans we cannot control it like we cannot control that's the reason why we get and on stages in front of cameras because we love adulation we love being you know told by the people we're doing good and so we listen to people and that whole like oh we gonna bully this artist oh we're gonna you know what i'm saying like like this artist should be sad this artist should be they were better on drugs whatever like that like

even if you feel like yo tweets not getting to people like that see that they feel that so yeah it's why we didn't get an album for 10 years yeah no i'm i'm saying it's it's really like

We just forget that people are people and all senses of it, even just going to a restaurant, period.

And we just got to keep reminding ourselves that people are people.

So like,

you can't, you can't lean into the idea that like, I need heartbreak.

You do need experience.

Like, you need to live life.

Like, I was living life for six years.

I was doing a lot of things, like building a lot of stuff.

But

thinking that you have to be.

depressed or you have to be going through heartbreak or you have to be on drugs, you have to be, you know, suicide or whatever, like, that's not, that's not real.

Like, like, I like happy music, to be honest with you.

Like, we all like, we also, we all have different emotions and moods.

Yeah, sure.

You know what I'm saying?

Different music for different times.

You're preaching right now, but I still like this dark version of you better than the three-hat version.

I'm just older and better.

I'm better at rapping.

I'm

better than everybody at rapping.

Now, the three-hat.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Before you say the three-hat, let me just say this.

Go ahead.

Listen to my album, man.

Go listen to my album.

You feel me?

Because I'm rapping not just better than Chance 3 raps, not just better than Ass Raps.

I'm rapping.

Said that.

And I preach, like, I said that.

I need that's why I need you to say that.

That's why I need to be able to be up here because y'all was having a conversation the other day about how do you promote music without drama?

Like, without the answer.

With just the music.

That's what I'm doing right now.

I'm the people's champ and I'm good as fuck.

So it's like, it's like

so.

If I'm rapping the way that I'm rapping, like that's, it got to be carried on the shoulders of people that want to say, I'm standing on this one.

This is what I fuck with.

I agree.

Yeah.

There's definitely

a train effect happening after, I hate to keep going, but after the Kendrick, you see the clips, Freddie Gibbs, you, people just wanting to get back to you.

We just rap.

Niggas really rapping here.

We're putting it in the river.

Print out everybody's raps.

That's how we should judge it.

Print out everybody's raps and read it.

They can't do that.

Niggas can't do it.

every time we talk about can't do that don't every time we talk about all the raps that's coming out and like it's just a good summer and it's just a man starline print out my raps print out everybody's raps what you read them what are your favorite albums this year starline

starline he said he hasn't eaten all year

he ain't listening no damn i'm listening to everybody i'm not disrespecting anybody's art i'm just saying like i gotta fight for my life out here yeah yeah you guys

and my shit is available so you could always listen to my shit and just say wow.

And it's great.

That shit is great.

Greatness is empowered.

Highs and lows did sound like Kanye was coming on in the end, at the third verse.

I'm about to ask something about that, but go on.

I'm just talking about the record, right?

You know what I'm saying?

It feels like it.

Yeah.

But I

had an I had an assumption and people killed me for it, or just a thought that when people work with Kanye, they first get with him, it's a great experience as far as creatively you learn, but you start to do your best work after you remove yourself from him.

Do you feel like you had

that feeling?

Like you took what you needed to take, but there was also a freeing thing of not having to be attached to him and save what you needed to give.

Well, no, no, of course, of course.

But yeah.

Yeah.

I feel like

to like

that shit gonna be like,

no, it's just like, I'm just like, to to frame it like I don't feel like I was ever Under Kanye.

I helped him.

I helped him

body diverse and I and I and and was in the studio with him and you know I'm saying when I did my first album He was on I mean not my first album I did the coloring book joint He was on the intro of that like he's helped me and I've helped him I've never been one of his artists.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm very I've always been very open about how influential he was on me making music period like me wanting to be an artist, him being from Chicago, him, the certain type of influences that he had always spoke to me.

And so that's always been in my music.

Even before I met him, I've always sounded like somebody that grew up listening to Kanye.

But it's not like there's this like mass separation or like, you know, cataclysmic event that happens that it's like, now I'm on this era of post.

Kanye.

You just did a couple records here.

You got it.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, and I'm not trying to like, you know, diminish the value of it either.

It's just like,

I don't look at my life pre and post Kanye.

You got it.

How important was it to start the album with Du A Dot?

It was everything.

For you.

Everything.

Because when it came on track two, I'm like, that's intentional.

Yeah.

Because the whole thing of this album is like, it's important that it's subversive.

And like that you don't, that everything's not super in your face.

Because I got got a lot of records that I made that are angry and I probably could have gotten trouble for.

You feel me?

So like making it in a way that's smooth.

It's subtle.

That's, to me, that's pimping.

Like Chicago is heavy on pimping.

Like just like, you know what I'm saying?

Fly shit.

So speak and fly and all that shit that comes from do or die, like to me, like that's like west side pimping culture.

And so I wanted to like lay out,

when we're about to embark on the album and go for this ride, like you want that Cadillac feel that just like, you know what I'm saying, to smooth you into it.

But it's like

them some of my most like,

I'm on that kind of rhymes.

What was your first record you recorded for this album?

The oldest one on there is Speed of Light.

Speed of Light, really?

That's 20.

That's like 2021 maybe.

This is when I started the beat.

It took a long time to make it.

But yeah, it's like a lot of the records.

There's only a few of them that are like very, very recent.

The Pretty with the Debarge sample, that was like very, like right before that came out.

I love that sample.

The Drape Domania with Baby Chief, that was last minute too.

Was there a lot of like going back and re-recording stuff, or was it more production that you were taking time building around?

It was more so, I think, the re-records of verses.

Like, I have like so many verses for every song.

But what I was explaining recently is like, I'd be thinking of like a, you know, like a concept or a title first.

Yeah.

And then I'll just make a bunch of songs that I name that shit, like over different beats and different verses and stuff until I get to where I'm trying to get to.

What's the most amount of roughs you had for one song in the town?

For verses,

probably

Space and Time.

Or no, for verses,

either Space and Time or the Speed of Love.

And for like production,

it's either the intro, because there's like 120 versions of that.

And then

all of the songs were like somewhere around like edit 70 and up when I put it out.

Yeah.

Damn.

Who's doing with that?

You said who was.

That's that's us like trying to perfect.

Is that your normal process?

More for this album?

Yeah, no, I think since like 2014, like after Ass Rap, once I did like surf, coloring book, and all that stuff, like I started working more with like bringing in additional producers as the beat grows, like, you know, re-recording my vocals, bringing in background vocalists, bringing in features, getting people to flip the beat.

So each time like the beat changes it's just you're re-recording yeah yeah who's who's gunning your purse that's my homie dex he uh yeah he from the rack like he produces for g herbo but that's been that's my executive producer that's like who made most of the album dope salute to him dope it's fire was anybody that you wanted to get on this project that scheduling didn't line up or you just couldn't get it cleared hell yeah it was a lot of people it was a lot of people schedules

didn't align and then do you think those that was real i don't know i don't think they're real

I don't know.

I still work with any of those people.

You know what I'm saying?

I don't know.

They'll probably work with you after you.

That's what happened.

Now they see the reception.

It's like, oh,

they had to see if he was still listening.

That's all it was.

Yeah, it's crazy.

But I still like, I think it's like everybody that was on there was supposed to be on there.

Like, I love the wide array of...

just different tones, different styles of like, and I like getting back with people like Jamila Woods, Vic,

BJ, BJ, Jason.

Jason Mason.

You know what I'm saying?

Like it's like there's so many, it's so many like people that I grew up with or like worked with over 10 years ago.

But like we've been in community, we still be seeing each other.

We all live in Chicago.

But like

getting on a record again and having new people, you know what I'm saying, find our old shit together.

Because that's another thing that I be taking as a luxury.

Like everybody don't know ass or app.

Everybody don't know colouring, but you think they do.

Should.

But like, if you don't,

go check them out for sure.

But it's people that's hearing Starline that's like, I I never listened to Chance before.

Like,

this shit is hard.

And it's a great introduction to people that

never heard Chance.

Yeah.

And I mean, I'm only going to make more music.

So it's like, it's good.

Like, I'm 32.

You know what I'm saying?

So, like, I feel like I'm going to.

The way that it's working, I'm getting back.

It's not going to take six years next time, is it?

You recording right now?

So, hell no.

I haven't been recording.

I was supposed to do like three feature verses the other day that I just

dubbed them.

I'm going to dub them.

I'm going to do it.

You dubbed them, niggas.

We'll get to it.

It was scheduling.

You know what I'm saying?

The schedules.

One of the things you rap a lot about is faith.

This album, there were two tracks that I thought you did that really interestingly.

One is the J-Electronica track, which is more like what I'm used to.

But letters, when you write that, you're writing a letter to the church and talking about the church.

And it made me wonder, like, has your faith journey changed?

Do you look at things dramatically different now?

That's a great question.

Dramatically different?

I don't think so.

I've been explaining to people,

my grandmother, who, you know what I'm saying, that's my entry to the church.

She took me to church most,

put me on to, are you familiar with James Cohn?

Of course.

Liberation Theology.

Liberation Theology, The Cross and the Lynching Tree

is one of the major bases for this album.

And basically, I could feel that.

So once you understand that and understand the motif of burning and trees throughout the album, like everything really makes sense.

But the letter song is like me,

I feel like espousing my faith because

I love God.

You know what I'm saying?

I love Christ.

We are the body.

That's what I'm saying, the whole thing.

But I'm also critiquing the church in the ways that it's not like Christ.

And

what I got a better understanding of is that, you know,

the church,

it...

in a lot of ways won't protect the least of us.

And

in a lot of like history that I just learned recently, like the people that was doing them lynchings

was church congregations.

The pastors, the deacons.

White church congregations.

I'm saying the whole church is throwing a party to lynch niggas.

And so when I'm starting to understand the history of faith and the separation of the black and white church, that's how you get a verse like, you know what I'm saying, the megachurch joint.

But also

what I think like people don't recognize in that,

you know what I'm saying, is a perfect place to say it is like, you know, there's so many literary references throughout the album and I'm, you know, quoting movies and quoting all this other shit.

The quote that's most important in that second verse is, I rebuke you in the name of the child of God.

I boil a pot of living water till it's scalding hot.

Because Sonia Massey was killed in her house and her last words

Her last words was, I rebuke you in the name of the child of God.

So

I have to carry on that word because there's so many words that people don't get to hear until you put them there and burn them in their, in their memory.

So I want everybody to hear that and understand that I'm ashamed of the lack of response from the church when that happened.

And the only way to get that out and platform it in the best way I can is to wrap that and keep putting these words out.

So that song is radical, but what's funny is Everybody looks at the water song, the just a drop song, like that's like less radical.

That's the the one.

That's the one.

Listen, and I'm trying to tell y'all this shit finna go up.

Like, I live in Chicago.

Like, we are historically a

we burn shit down kind of place.

But we also, as black folks, are people that have to live, you know what I'm saying, in the fallout of these burnt up communities.

The west side is still fucked up from the king riots.

We I'm trying to present and understanding that all you got to do is listen to people and we'll be fine.

But when you don't listen, shit gets burnt down.

That's probably the thesis of the whole album.

That's the beauty of the album to me.

I mean, I like all your projects,

but this one is the most subtle.

You know, the first, even Color and Book, you know,

it wasn't heavy-handed, but you were learning and teaching at the same time.

Whereas here, you feel like you're settled in.

and you have to kind of find it and listen carefully and break it down.

But it feels, so even having the song titles be things like the album being called Starline, you know, the songs being called Dreptomania.

I mean, that's subtle and smart, and it forces the listener to do some work, too.

Some research.

Yes, it's definitely sat me down.

I want people to have experiences listening to music because that's what I grew up on.

Like,

we didn't have to like rank every album and listen to every album, give it a points and shit.

Like, you know, we just units and sold first week.

You know what I'm saying?

Certain shit just got to us, and we loved it.

And we sat with that same album reading the lyric books or going to AZ Lyrics.com and like reading what's being said and becoming that.

Like, I ain't go to college because of the college dropout.

Like,

I listened and I learned from music and kept playing it to the point that I'm still listening to it today and still finding out new shit.

This album would be really great with liner notes.

Speaking of...

How we used to consume music.

Like, I wish that all this shit that you're telling us right now was somewhere when I was listening to the album on the couch, stoned.

You know what I mean?

I'm going to figure out a way to do it.

Did you want to

genius or something?

I want to do a class because I feel like

on some writing shit, like I could do a class on,

and that's just me talking about rapper shit.

I'm not speaking a little bit.

You know what I'm saying?

You're right.

But like I could do a lecture, you know what I'm saying, on just on this album from a literary standpoint, from, you know what I'm saying, like what the thesis is and just like what we were talking about earlier, how we in the streets, like we pushing this music and thanks to community,

actual legwork and relationships, like I'm

still in this conversation.

This shit not finna get stepped on.

I'm gonna be loud about the album and I'm gonna be everywhere to everybody else be.

I don't want to say it.

it should have been a part of a rollout because this nothing about this feels like a rollout feels like it's genuine i think everything you're saying right now literally you can just pick up a camera and get like you saying i want to do a class Like, just do the class.

Like,

me hearing this, I'm having a better, full, in-depth

understanding of the album.

When I first went to listen, I got to talk to Mark about it.

I'm talking about a class.

I'm talking about like

a class.

You know what I'm saying?

What is that?

What is that?

Like, a class.

Let's do it, Dad.

Like a lecture.

Yeah, let's talk about it.

As you were talking, I was like, I was thinking of three places you could do it right after.

The chance.

Hold on.

What are you saying?

No, I was just saying it's not an F in depth.

Is that me?

Oh, that's you.

It's not an F.

It's a P T.

Forget it.

But I just do.

I'll let those pass on.

It's like a thug interview.

I knew what he was trying to say.

Chance is doing the class.

Not a buddies.

We're good.

Yeah.

Slow the fuck down.

I like Kamani's point.

I like what you're saying.

Also, I would like to see these historical campuses continue to have us loop the lupees and make one of the

people like, oh my God, Guru G, Guru, Guru.

Like, have some of those minds come and chance is on that list for me.

Well, I'm only saying that because y'all was speaking earlier to the meek and saying, well, if you can't find the people who are looking to do it or you just do it yourself.

So I would love to be able to turn on the computer or the TV or whatever at some date and just see Chance and Lupe decide to do it on their own.

I feel it.

And not wait on.

Houseway.

No, I'm just saying.

No, I need a university.

Like, I'm trying to go to a place and be like, this is this semester.

Come find out how this works.

But even if you can't, you'll start with the crawling on Instagram.

That's what I'm saying.

You'll start walking into the university.

They'll get a hold of it and bring you in.

Yeah, I'm bringing people into the album.

Because at the end of the day, like the shit that we're talking about is like 10th to 12th listen type conversations.

You know what I'm saying?

Like the intro to the album, like your introduction to the album is going to be based on.

pitch and melody and recognizing samples and like catchy hooks.

Like it's not, it's not going to be about the the layer that we're talking about.

So I have to still give the album time to breathe and keep, there's so many people that don't even know I dropped the album.

You know what I'm saying?

Like so I got to just keep this legwork of putting the album in front of people.

But in moments like this is the best time for me to be like, oh yeah, somebody that's watching this shit that has listened to it 12 times, this is what I was talking about.

So I was talking about, you know what I'm saying?

How does this experience, how does this experience differ from when you were seemingly on top of the world?

Like when the Grammys was changing the rules?

like

how different, how many people have turned their back on you?

How many people that you loved are no longer around?

How many people that saw the vision magically disappeared?

Like, how different is this?

Is this experience than what you experienced before when you're involved in one of probably my worst takes ever where I was like, chance is going to take the baton from Drake, and that's going to be the end of that.

You did start that.

I said that.

People quote it all the time.

They're like, remember people were saying that?

It was really challenging.

Just

nobody else said that but me.

You were doing that to this Drake.

You ended up fucking me over with that.

No, you know what?

I felt like that when I was on Everyday Struggle.

Because it was like, who's going to be as lyrical, as marketable, as political?

Who's going to?

I just felt like you...

Okay, wait.

No, go ahead.

Say what you're going to say.

Shed, stop acting like you wasn't popping up at all of the fucking Chicago people.

I thought you were just comparing me to Drake for a second.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I wouldn't do that.

I'm just saying you checked a lot of boxes for me as an MC when Coloring Book came out.

I appreciate it.

No,

I felt the love, and I felt like

this is going to fuck me up.

But it's like,

I never wanted to be the next nobody.

I didn't even want to be the next Kanye.

I just wanted to have people like my music and like me through my music because that's what kids that do talent shows and open mics feel like.

Unfortunately, when you drop a bunch of really good albums and they change the rules of the business, people are going to have a people line up with it.

It's going to be a different level of

you to fail.

Yeah, I just thought some other shit was coming after that.

I ain't going to lie.

Once they changed the rule and you won, it was like, oh, no holds bar.

He's out of here.

Yeah.

He's gone.

I mean, that rule change wasn't about me, though.

Like, that rule change was so that streaming could become more of

an applicable space.

Unfortunately, you're the poster child.

Yeah, no, I definitely helped segue it in.

And to be honest, I don't like that shit.

Like, I feel like

we all understand the gripes that artists, even in the film industry, have with streaming versus you know, I'm saying, VOD or being able to sell your actual product.

And in a way, I helped usher that in, but I was dealing with streaming in a completely different way before Apple Music.

So, let's make sure that we add the context that I didn't sell none of my music for my first two mixtapes.

Like, all my shit was available on DatPiff, on YouTube, on Soundball, and spaces that were not official DSPs.

So, when I did the move with Apple, I'm like the seventh artist to do it.

I'm just the first independent one.

And I did, you know what I'm saying?

Win three Grammys.

Yeah, I did what I did.

Knocked it out the park.

You know what I'm saying?

But I feel like that wasn't,

I think the Grammys helped me more than putting my music on streaming.

Like winning the Grammys,

like.

That's how I was able to do all the stuff with the schools.

Not that we in the perfect space now, but like the stopgap budget in 2017, like being able to like work with major brands, getting on the I'm the one song.

I feel like a lot more shit happened for me once I won the Grammys I feel like you know what I'm saying before that like 2016 when the album dropped it was it was dope and like people liked it and I think complex might have called it the rap album of the year but it wasn't like it wasn't as big as one dance or like I wasn't having the same year Drake was having or anybody else like the Grammys kind of switched that conversation I feel like around and then I didn't drop another album until the big day and then nigga shitted on it on the internet.

He said, I fucked all y'all.

You know what I'm saying?

And then

now you got Starline.

Did you any feelings about the role that hip-hop played in choosing the president?

The role that hip-hop played in choosing the president.

I'm not taking no results.

Not just musicians.

Not just musicians.

Hip-hop.

Whether that's hip-hop media,

hip-hop journalists, the opinion of hip-hop, either way.

Good question.

On the Trump side or the Kamala side, did you feel any way about any of that?

I feel like those are different verticals.

Like, hip-hop to me is so real.

Like,

I don't just accept everything as being a part of the culture just because niggas is doing it in an adjacent way.

Well, then, how do you feel about hip-hop's ability to be used?

Well, we don't,

so now we are, are we gonna go political?

We don't own shit.

Like, we like hip-hop, like, the first, let me chill.

No, no, no, you get true.

No, it's true.

We say,

I'll make the point, but I'm just saying, like, we don't own no labels.

Like, our labels are subsidiaries of major labels.

And we don't own really no radio stations except for shout out to Miss Kathy Hughes.

We don't, we don't own, we don't own shit.

So it's like it's ability to be used.

Like, yes, everybody's trying to make a dollar because this is America.

Like, so, but I feel like when we're talking about the verticals that are responsible, I put journalism in one category, not like hip-hop journalism, because it's like we don't have no real rules no more about what is considered like journalistic integrity or like the spreading of misinformation or anything like that.

And yeah, niggas are trying to make money.

And I don't know.

I'm not trying to take, I don't think we should take responsibility for folks being elected.

I don't know.

Well, some of these niggas should, but it's a conversation for another day.

But even if you don't take full responsibility, you still play a part in swaying people to vote a certain way.

So even if

Trick Trick or even if Beyonce or Meg played a part in convincing these 19-year-olds to vote for who Beyonce is running out there and promoting at the time, that you're not responsible for in its entirety, but you did play a part in it.

I think a lot of people were indifferent, G, because

I feel like a lot of people felt like shit was getting more expensive.

We still

assisting and aiding Israel and bombing Palestine.

We still like not taking care of the vets, still not taking care of of the homeless, still all of these things that are supposed to be like,

I thought we signed, I thought we was all Democrats.

Like, ain't we all dapping up?

We all Democrats, but like, we not.

So some people are just like, we don't know what to do.

So I think a lot of people is just like,

they've been trying to use hip-hop in that way since.

Was it the Voter Die campaign?

I feel like ever since then, they've made like a real effort to make us feel like we have to choose the Democratic side consistently.

Because that was the the hip-hop you said when when did you say it started before that what did you say

is when you know 2004 yeah i feel like four years later is when i started to feel it the obama moment yeah okay it might be a little because he was in chicago but but i think you're right i think you're right i mean for me the question is always you know what's the responsibility like i make a distinction between responsibility and blame like i think you have a responsibility

you know what i mean to speak on these issues and to help lead us in the right direction like everybody does but i don't blame rappers for for the outcome because these outcomes are weird.

When politicians are looking for hip-hop influencers to influence a demographic

to go ahead in a certain direction, whether it's the most popular or whatever it is at the moment.

And to me, what I love about you and a lot of these other hip-hop artists, when y'all don't say, I'm going to choose here or here, but instead you're just going to speak the truth.

and offer your analysis.

I don't want my rap artist to tell me who to vote for.

I just want them to speak their truth.

You know what I mean?

And I think that's where it gets.

Do you ever feel compromised in that?

Like, whatever whatever moments where you felt like you couldn't?

Yeah, I always feel like

you walk in two lines of like trying to be

like, I hate that artists get made or celebrities period get made or put in positions to be the moral compass for people or like get shamed for not,

you know what I'm saying?

Being like some people, obviously, sometimes people are pieces of shit based on like what I find to be morally right.

But like

we also like really go crazy on somebody when their ideas don't

a lot of what ours are when they're a public figure.

And I feel like like my ideas and my understanding is my truth.

And there are people out there that agree based on, you know what I'm saying, history and data and facts and shit that that's what's what's what.

And so I'm gonna push towards that.

But like the two-party system, like get having to get up and be like, and feel this this weight of like,

you better save the world because he will kill your black ass like like that's that like

come on like i'm just trying to get this money

could i could i ask you

what's what's the one thing that you're still having an issue like coming to grips with when it comes to being in this industry like is it something that's still like a problem for you that you're still trying to manage through

uh there's a bunch The first one that comes to mind is like, y'all know I'm independent.

So stop trying to tax me for samples and for fucking features.

Are we doing this again?

No, I'm just saying.

Like, niggas know what it is, and they, for some reason, think that it's something different.

And so they try and up to

me on samples.

No, he might be independent now.

Joe told him.

Now he might be independent.

Why?

Because you understand that he's not independent now.

Now you might be independent now.

That's not fair.

Okay.

Y'all know I never believed that.

Shit, he know that too.

No, I know that, but I think you said that.

But now you got a stand on it.

You got a real view of what independence looks like now.

Tell us.

Today,

I think it's independent.

Today is all of this point or today, like starting today now.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

This album.

This album, this time period.

So you don't think coloring book was independent.

You don't think...

Oh, I'm not counting.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Joe, that's net.

Sorry.

Sorry.

But why?

Our definitions are independent.

I know.

It's twisted.

It's twisted.

Yes.

You got to explain it.

If you just keep saying no, like, that's going to get clipped.

So you got to give us the explanation.

Because we did this before.

I don't want to rewind again.

That coloring book was the, like you said, you were the eighth artist to do that with Apple.

Yeah.

My argument back then, I don't want to repeat it.

If you're with a behemoth such as Apple and you have common interests,

then we're not operating.

We're not operating as a benefit.

That's a bad.

That's a bad.

I'm just trying to explain.

No, it's not.

But is it like a

because I'm benefiting off of having it on their thing?

On their platform?

You signed a deal with Apple that gave you routes that were not available oh no I didn't get no routes all right I'll explain it again though let me explain it again oh no sorry have we not finished go ahead go ahead no I was gonna say I didn't get no routes I told you what I got I got some money which I think right now to be it would be a lot of money but like at the time was not a ton of money

Also while I'm done with my project, so it's not like they're paying for me to get studio time or nothing like that.

Gave me, I already said it before, it was half a million dollars, right?

Which is a lot of money, depending on who's listening.

Yeah, no, no.

You know what I'm saying?

No, that's a lot of money.

Okay, that's a lot of money.

They gave me 500, right?

And

then I was in one of their ads that they had for during the NBA finals.

You were on the bus.

Let's say you were the bus.

No, I wasn't on a bus.

No, the bus is, that's my own money.

Hold on.

The bus is my own billboards.

But I'm saying there was a commercial that played like one time, I think, or maybe twice during the NBA Finals.

Do you own the album?

You said what?

Do you own the album?

100%.

Did you pay to make the album yourself?

Yeah.

That it was independent.

Wait, let me finish the question.

I want to get the points across about the Apple win, though.

Two points.

We always make a big deal, and I see the meme get resurfaced, not meme, but the infographic get resurfaced about how Frank tricked his label and became independent through his Apple Music deal.

So if he used it to get out of it,

how is me using it make me a part of the system?

And better yet, if we're explaining that with context there's hella artists between apple and title that are putting out exclusive projects to help them in their own streaming ward

and stream the do you know what the streaming war was does anybody remember

i'll explain it for the viewers before there was an amazon music there was apple music title and the longest standing one was called spotify spotify had all the users so these other two dsps that were coming up wanted to you know i'm saying join the join the the gang and they started doing exclusive albums with artists where for the first two weeks, like Beyonce, like

a bunch of people did it with either title or Apple Music.

And for two weeks, you could only get it there.

And I was not the first nigga to do this.

I was the only nigga that is independent that did it.

You might have been the last.

And I wasn't the last either.

We just talked about Frank.

They changed it not long after.

But we just talked about Frank.

So I wasn't the last person to do it either.

And I kept my masters.

I never had to give up anything.

The only thing I really gave up was I probably could have been number one.

My music was only available in one place.

I couldn't even put it on Netflix.

At this time, niggas didn't even have Apple Music.

So people had to fuck with me enough to add this subscription and get this.

It's like putting something on Netflix only.

That person's not independent because they movie got on Netflix.

So on one hand, you do acknowledge that you may have been the mascot.

for

them ushering in a new way of business.

Streaming specifically, it's not even about Apple.

That's the industry as a whole.

The Grammys didn't used to accept a, like, unless you had a physical album, you couldn't be nominated for a Grammy.

That changed the year that I won for Coloring Book.

And that became the first streaming-only album to win a Grammy.

But there were people that were putting out albums that were only on streaming before that.

We just talked about mixtapes.

Just talked about that piff.

Acid Rap couldn't be nominated for a Grammy because of the fact that it didn't have a physical format.

And that's what I'm saying: I didn't have a physical format for this album and I still won.

Like my shit was crucial.

And you were deserving to win.

Yeah, great album.

So I don't want to make it sound like I'm thinking that some strings was pulled for you to win.

You were deserving to win.

I just feel like there were interests, there were interests above yours that made it appear like you were operating than something differently than you were.

I'm not mad at what Parks is saying.

You own it, you pay for it, you got it, it's yours, you're independent.

But to the public, when rules get to changing and things start looking differently, then the word is going to be different.

That's just spin to be that's narrative.

We had this fight with pusher with the with the clips.

We had this.

I'm just interested that you have this tape.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know.

Like, this factor, like you, like, whenever

you're in the business, I know,

listen, I know, but I'm just looking at you and what you've what you've established in this sense.

It kind of resembles to me what he did in certain ways.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's a different type of battle and different type of support.

But you've preached independently.

He's an elite rapper.

Chance to lead rapper.

That's true.

Yeah, this podcast is independent, right?

This podcast is independent, but it has some of the most major looks that most people can't even buy.

He has a sponsorship from prospects.

Yeah.

Let me say this.

Let me say this.

That's important.

See?

Hey, you had cash out at one point.

What I did

was I changed the industry.

So

I don't want anybody to re-band the truth.

With great music, too

great music

And it's okay to say as an independent audience

Before

Before there was a time where people even believed in streaming I was changing the game with asset rap I shut down that piff I shut down fake shore my when asset rap came out it was so streamed that major outlets were reporting on it because it was the most important project j cole tweeted about acid rap and this is when we're i mean he's still my senior but i'm just saying at the time I was relatively unknown.

And so my project was so important that when I went into deals, like at that time, nobody believed in doing a, all right, so this is a conversation that we would understand.

When you do an album, you get a budget towards mechanical copies, right?

Physical, and that's a big part of the budget.

So when I'm going into deals, I'm telling them as a kid.

I don't want no physical copies in my deal.

Just give me money and I'm going to put it out through these other spaces and we'll make the money off of this, this, and this.

They like, hell no.

Hell no.

We need mechanical copies.

Nobody believed in the idea of streaming.

I stuck to that the whole time to the point that Apple Music, Spotify, and other people was like, we need to make money off of this.

They had to conform.

You convinced me.

I got to stop short-selling you.

Yeah.

Come on.

Accountability.

Accountability, bro.

That's easy.

That's a tip.

Hey.

You guys convinced me.

Chance convinced me.

I got to stop doing that.

The reshaping of things.

We got to tell the story

how it happens.

Especially when it comes to ours.

Especially if you are the person deserving up to them.

It's coming to ours and us.

They're gonna do it on their own.

We don't need to help them.

That's fine.

We don't need to help.

I'm on chance side now.

You're independent, nigga.

Fuck you up.

How are you spending your time, your free time?

Do you have any?

No, I don't.

I'm on this fucking rollout, this post-rollout.

So I've just been running around.

But I guess I don't know what we did in our free time.

We'd be going to parties and shit, but I be sometimes working at those parties.

I'm like doing a club out here today.

I'm going to like party till I remember I'm working.

You doing a club out here today?

Yeah.

What's it called?

Light High Three.

Lights High Three.

Oh.

What is it?

Some club in New York.

I don't know.

I'm showing up.

Yeah, we are.

Shout out to that club.

We got to go see what the poetic bitches is doing.

Read books and shit, Jamaican.

It's our resident.

Hey, bro.

We got to go see what the poet hose is up to.

Our resident 30.

That's insane.

I'll bring some chunk up.

It's fucking crazy.

It's crazy.

Nah, it's hiding there.

Oh, you know about it.

Yeah.

They booked the money the singer.

If it's outside, he knows about it.

If it's outside in New York, he knows.

You got to have a good time, man.

Any other recommendations?

Send y'all some other spots, man.

I'm going to lock in with you, Monty.

See?

Let me bring this nigga.

This is trip club, man.

Get rid of this holy.

Nah, you ain't got to do that.

Get rid of all this holy ghost shit he on.

It's so funny the way that people perceive me, but I do appreciate that because it's really just like

it allows you to keep your innocence.

It's a blessing.

Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's a compliment.

I don't know.

I believe in the strip club.

I believe in the strip club.

I believe in the strip club.

I believe in the strip club and I believe in Jesus.

I believe in, especially in black-owned strip clubs, especially ones that do good business, that take care of everybody.

And it's like a cultural thing.

Like, when you're in Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, like Florida, certain places, like

it's a, it reminds me of Ghana.

Like, it's like everybody.

them asses, you know what I'm saying?

The asses, too, but I'm saying, like,

everybody's in there is working a part of an ecosystem.

There's a culture.

There's a culture that exists.

We're sharing money.

Sure,

we're sharing money in a way that's like culturally ours

and it's different from any other.

Sharing money-ish.

Yes.

Money.

He means circulating the money.

Not sharing other people.

He means circulating the money in the ecosystem.

Not you giving it to the Spanishes.

That don't count.

He's getting a genitive.

You're sitting into Ecuador.

You got to throw the money.

Afro-Caribbeans.

Yeah.

Just me and you.

I'm such an idiot.

What else do I need to know from the champs?

So, listen, so the VMAs aired the other night.

Yeah.

Do you have any feelings on them canceling the hip-hop awards?

Did you see the VMAs?

Did it look like they took our hip-hop award money and

funneled it over?

I ain't gonna further.

I didn't watch watch it, but when I went to peak,

it did look a little more expensive.

It did.

That's expensive.

It did.

It's been looked like that for a little while.

I actually went to one like maybe three or four years ago.

A friend of mine was dating with someone that worked over there, so I went.

It looked kind of similar.

Yo, y'all boost had a lavender suit on.

Yo,

we out of touch, yo.

It's been looking like that.

It's not for us no more.

Because all the artists y'all was confused about being up there and all that, I'm very aware of those people because I pay enough attention.

But this shit is

I gotta say, Dozier Cat was fire.

Fire.

Amazing.

She spoke.

That was hip-hop.

As fuck.

And she could rap and she could dance.

Yeah, she went crazy.

It was just raw.

Like, it reminded me of, like, it made me say, like,

damn, she's one of my generation superstars.

Like, they're kids that are going to grow up.

Before you take down my take.

Let me just say, let me just say, big dog.

You got to imagine.

You got to imagine being a kid and seeing that shit.

It's crazy.

Like, she spazzed.

You ain't fuck with the performance?

I didn't see the awards.

Yo, we are.

It was the opening.

It was the opening of it.

We the old niggas now.

I didn't see the old cat.

I didn't see the performance.

I still fuck with her performance, though.

Yeah, I fuck with everything Doja Cat do.

And I'm not mad at nobody that fucks with everything Doja do.

I like to hear your enthusiasm when it comes to Dojo.

I was one of the first people on Doja Cat.

Oh, you are one of us.

The bitch I'm a cow.

Don't look up the

shit I got.

Moose shit was on the Dozman shit.

I've been a Doja Cat fan.

We shouldn't have been on her for that.

Nah, I shouldn't have.

Nah, that was creative.

It was crazy.

That's what blew her up.

It is.

That was the first thing that made like people start paying attention to me.

Maybe not.

She had shit before that.

Bitch, I'm a cow.

Classic.

Come on.

Yeah, that's a classic.

Oh, shit, you about to bust it, too.

That's a classic.

Come on, yo.

That's a classic.

Shout out to Doja Cats.

We love you.

Niggas is old, yo.

It was good to see.

It was good to see.

Arielle de Grande still is dealing with her nutritionist.

Hi, Joe.

See, that's it.

Hello?

Did y'all see it?

I didn't do that, Joe.

Did you see it?

No, I told you.

What?

The young lady.

Sometimes she got a meal prep.

You get two pee.

You get two peas on that.

We don't know what's going on with her.

Who was at that?

Come on.

Who's at the Foot the Baby Diet on the internet that one time back in the day?

She was someone walking.

Someone said, all right, one plan.

A pair or two peers.

You seen her.

That's all right.

Stop button.

Oh, shit.

Someone.

Listen, we got to get to Chatty Patty when Chance leaves.

He has too much integrity for this.

We'll do this when he leaves.

These are my peers.

You know what I'm saying?

Everybody's good.

Everybody looks good.

You know what I will say, and then I'll move on is that while I really liked how Summo showed up, because how she showed up with that old white man was

it matched the songs.

Would match the outfit.

Like it's like performance artist.

No, but fuck that.

Yes.

The outfit was Pam Anderson, old style.

Like she embodied what MTV, she did a great job.

But her music, everything,

the spend it, this was how she was supposed to show up to the awards with an old white dude that looked like he was going to blow a bag.

It matched dress.

Let's get back to your actual aesthetic matching the music.

There you go.

I like that.

I'm a fan of that.

I like the whole awards for that.

It reminded me of classic when MTV first started.

Even down to the set design and all that.

It was.

was you watched the awards.

I watched the whole thing.

And I honestly, I watched it from not throwing.

What a bitch.

No, I did work.

I did work.

No, you're right.

Yeah, you did work.

No, no, no, that's peace.

It was a joke from early.

I removed myself from watching it from my old personal taste as a 42-year-old man and started to think, what are these kids home watching and how do they receive this music now?

Like the Tate McCraes or

these people are popping.

Yeah, and they

didn't know what else was was popping?

Ravens Bills, nigga.

Hey, check this out.

Hey, I hold up.

If you say Tate McRae one more time, some people

crazy.

Fuck him.

All right, y'all.

All right.

Lamar singer.

There you have it.

Hit the drop.

Yo, wow.

Niggas don't love music.

That's what it is.

Y'all don't love music.

Oh, we love football.

No, you don't.

No problem with gay people.

Gay people work for me right now.

I'm not gay people.

Avery is a waiting.

Chance.

when you when you came in

your reading skills were on display.

Yeah, you read our board

now.

I'm not gonna say what's up to you.

I'm not saying what's up there.

And you don't have to say it either.

I can't.

I just saw what y'all wrote.

I don't know anything about that shit.

I don't know.

I don't be on the internet, man.

It says that redacted

says

nigga.

Look at his face.

Yeah, that shit crazy.

It's by it's by it's by we'll we'll we'll talk about it when you leave.

What else is important?

What else is important?

You got a tour for this album?

Yeah, I feel like you would have to.

Yeah, I'm actually going on tour in like two weeks.

I'm going

I'm going on a tour with

my guy Peter Cottontail.

I'm doing like a bunch like it's like a small run.

Okay.

Like 14 cities, I think, in like a month's time.

But it's like Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans.

New York.

We got New York.

It's already sold out.

But they're like more intimate shows.

Like three, three, you can probably find a couple extra tickets in this city.

Y'all could come, of course.

Wait, what?

What you said, what's the intimate show?

3K.

Yeah, these are.

Dog.

I'm not saying it.

I'm not saying it's small.

I'm not saying it's super small.

I'm grateful for, you know what I'm saying?

What it is.

Shout out to all the cities.

You know what I'm saying?

Far from SOBs, man.

Yo, that was day one, man.

I'm glad that you see me.

Tell this nigga again I'm independent.

I told him.

I was at SOB's, man.

And then you were in Citi Phil.

I was there for that one.

Yeah, yeah.

I also remember y'all had MSG books.

Oh, yeah, it's different.

I'm just saying that's a

long man.

Yeah, no, you grew up.

Evolution.

Ain't your dad like the mayor of North America?

No, why do people think that?

Fuck.

No, like Obama said

shit.

Doshita.

I'm glad Chance is doing the class.

Obama said he was on a first name basis with your dad.

No, my dad used to work for Obama.

Yeah, he said he watched you grow up.

Independent.

That's That's extra.

That's extra.

That nigga ain't watch me grow up.

I call him a nigga.

I'm not to call him a nigga.

That nigga ain't watched me grow up.

That nigga was a nigga.

No, but it's like,

you know, I've learned so much, and I respect how you like talk about shit, folks.

I'm trying to give you a dapple for y'all.

Fuck you, though.

Wait till a bubble clapper.

That's what I'm leaving with the pot is folk.

Wait till a bubble clap back.

Mark B sayingless.

Mark B the important things, folks.

And I feel like there's so many things that like niggas just don't get to talk about.

Cause like this is where everybody, this is where everybody goes to to get information.

So like when you, when you putting out a point, like

please spit the whole lit.

Like,

like, because that's,

I really watch this shit.

Appreciate the whole literature.

Spit the whole lick.

Get them dropping.

Spit the whole lit.

But your answer's right.

I'm definitely around gay people every day.

Because they went from me.

That's really a funny job.

That shit is hilarious.

Did you watch that thug interview and did you love it as much as we did?

I absolutely loved it.

That shit is COINTELPRO.

Let's hear it.

Say more.

It goes back to the point I was just making about Mark.

When you got important things to say, talk about that shit.

Facts.

I could talk about, we could talk about the important things yo you're the man yo you're the fucking me he's the man what do you what do you think is the most important thing we don't talk about

good question

or what's the least important thing that we do i think the most

both answer both i think the least important thing

or yeah let's start with the least important thing i think the least important thing is

things that are already viral unless you have a new perspective on them.

And I think the most important thing, or I guess the most relevant thing to us right now is that, like, the government is

arming the National Guard and other armed forces against the civilians of the country.

And so I live in Chicago.

I'm sure they niggas is coming to New York.

I'm sure they come into every metropolitan city.

And we in that shit right now.

And we haven't seen a city go up in flames flames in a while, but that's a part of the, that's a part of the tradition.

You think that's the design?

So it's like,

that's crucial.

And it don't got to be from a like, oh, I'm Democrat or no shit like that.

It's just got to be from a human perspective.

But I think that's the most important thing.

Were you on Twitter when they thought that Trump was dead?

I did see that.

I knew he wasn't dead, though.

But it still was a fun.

It's just like a...

It still was fun.

I feel like...

We still was having a little time.

Some of that shit be Corntel Pro too.

Distractions.

You feel me?

So I just feel like

we just

go away with the distractions.

Yeah.

But I mean, it's like real life is real life too.

So it's always good to have a fun conversation and talk about shit with different perspectives.

I think I was just talking to somebody about this the other day.

Like when celebrities go through some shit,

It's presented to you in a way where like you have to be

choosing one of these two polarizing sides in a larger conversation that's not even about the people that the story is written on but the people that's in the story feel the brunt of the weight of like all the disses that come with it and all the like disapproval that comes with it and so

the most important people right now in this at this

level of the war is journalists and people with pens and papers and microphones and keyboards and shit like that.

And so when when y'all got a mic, it don't got to be every episode, but I'm just saying, like,

when you guys do get deep, it's broken.

You could hit the drop again.

I'm sorry.

We're going to let it pass.

We're going to two, right?

So

remixed it.

I'm stepping out around gay people every day because they work for me.

That's facts, though, man.

Come on, man.

No, he's right.

Yeah.

Random question.

Who do you have your best relationship with as far as the industry goes?

Ooh, that's a good question.

All right, I'm going to name

three people.

I don't have a relationship with Doja Cat.

I just think she's fire.

And I don't got a non-relationship with you.

I know her.

All right, look.

Number one.

Dave Chappelle.

He's a good one.

He's a good one.

That's been my mentor for like 13 years, and he just is there for me and calls me to to check up on me but also like I'll call him randomly and just say some random shit.

Oh he told me he didn't have a phone.

Too bad.

Oh, nigga.

I believe you.

That's such a like fast, funny lie.

Shout out to this.

I don't have a phone.

This is a great treat.

That's a great way to start this list.

Yeah, it is.

Dave.

Important relationships.

Also, like, there's a bunch of people in Chicago that are from Chicago that like Jeremiah and Herb are like, those like really like my brothers.

Vic, obviously.

In terms of elders, it's more like Dave, Ms.

Lauren Hill,

Indy R.

Re, and Jill Scott.

I got to say, thank you so, I got to say Jill Scott, she gave to this album in a way that you can't hear.

But like, And

if she ever wants to tell a story, I'll let her tell the story.

But like, nah, she really, really held me down.

You got to know, like, it's some people that are just people.

And if you call them and you're like, I need this in Philly, she gonna be like, I got you.

We love Jilla.

Jilla, Erica.

Jilla's a friend of the show.

Jill is a friend of the friend of the show.

Erica, too.

Thank you so much.

Erica gave like my last verse of my album or the last song of my album.

I quoted her a bunch from a poem.

And I didn't think about it until like the day before the album was going to come out.

Like, oh, I need to hear her.

And she was like, you good.

I still gave her, you know, a percentage of the song.

But like, she was like, don't freak out about it.

Put out your art type shit.

I just want to say that.

That's a very stand-up.

What percentage of the songs?

I'm about to say, send that check.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're talking too much.

There's a lot of side artists.

I don't know.

You know what I'm saying?

Everybody got what they got.

Do you watch docs and shit?

Yeah, I really don't watch documentaries as much as I watch video essays.

Y'all ever watch video essays on YouTube?

That's the shit.

That's how I be learning every time.

FD Signifier, you ever do that?

That's my dog.

That's the one.

That's like, if you want to watch some shit on some like breaking down

anything like music, but also like politics and capitalism and fucking the history of random words and shit like that, like he gives real

like full-length, like there'll be like two hours sometimes breakdowns on certain things.

He did a really, really dope video y'all might have seen during the Kendrick and Drake beat.

That's me fully blew up.

It's like three hours long.

But what's the name?

FD Signifier.

FD Signifier.

But what I love is like when a movie is subversive and it makes you think it's about about one thing and then it ends up being like a deeper dive in another direction.

Great example, Dear Mama.

If y'all haven't seen the Tupac documentary, Dear Mama, you think it's about Tupac, but it's really about his moms.

Like that shit is deep as fuck.

But this dude, he did a video about Kendrick and Drake.

You think it's about to be about like all the lyrics that they say.

He spends like an hour and a half just breaking down the history of hip-hop.

the different male archetypes that they present us in hip-hop, what a gatekeeper is.

Like he explains all these things on

a molecular level of like how everything works and builds it up to they shit and then makes an argument for why it went how it went to people.

Like

do you feel like we should have some type of barrier of entry?

Yeah, 100%.

If what?

And if so, who should come up with it?

That's the that's the issue.

Who should come up with it?

Yeah, I think there should be a group of people that sit to write.

Yeah, they have to write out what are the important things

and then ask people if they want to be a part of it.

But I think like there's a I've been saying since I first started, we needed a union.

Like I think we

there's a lot of randomly like we organize around things with petitions and stuff, but that just like it's too high visibly like where it could affect our careers.

Whereas if there was something that was planned, you know what I'm saying, confidentially and

now it's starting to sound like an Illuminati.

I'm just saying like this.

Like if we made our own little Declaration of Independence and was like, this is what we do.

This is what we're not going for.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

This is how we will show up for each other if something happens.

And then just let people join.

The people who probably will be able to make that type of effect and change, they already benefit so much from it not changing.

So, like, who do you think would even want to take the risk of being a martyr in that situation?

Because whoever tries to do that, they're going to get the Jesse Ventura treatment and all that other stuff.

They're going to,

I don't know how that.

It has to be the OGs.

I feel like it has to be the niggas that like hove.

It got to be like niggas with the money.

Really, you need money.

Yeah, I was about to say, but if somebody's financial

health is riding on not that being,

you know what I mean?

Like, you gotta teeter the line, and a lot of people can't necessarily afford to do that.

Everybody not independent.

I don't think, no, I'm not.

I'm joking.

I'm just saying, but not just that.

Like, back to your other point, we don't own shit.

Yeah.

So no matter how many petitions you sign, nigga, you don't own shit.

And they not going to not stop you.

We own our will.

True.

And we own,

most cases, I would hope, our image and likeness.

So we can decide where and when we show up.

And if we let people use our shit.

And like, when it comes down to saying, like, like, there was just something that just came out where

like a bunch of actors and actresses was like, we not working with any like like

Israeli like defense like funded movie studios.

It's like the other day, like 32 people signed that.

Like that's great and it makes a point but also like all 32 of those people can be penalized somehow right or like have a visual reaction to them whereas if like hove and some other people was like secretly that's what we've been working on here's the email saying that you could join that right that's how you do it that's how the nba was able to like when with the the players

uh whatever chris paul and the way

on it no everybody can buy in on it whereas if it's if it's just the 12th down the bench who's who's a radical they can just dispose of that person.

Facts.

And easy to say anything with these artists.

We gotta have a war.

Do you believe that there is such thing as Illuminati?

Hell yeah.

I thought that was a fact.

Is that a debated thing?

They're still debated, though.

It's debated, but yeah, come on.

It might not be a centralized real card-carrying membership, but I think it's a good thing.

It might have mustard beats or something.

I think it might still have mustard beats.

Yeah, and I think they carry a card.

All right, so let me ask you a tougher question.

I'm not certain how big you are on health.

Like, I keep saying you look great.

Have you had a chance to see Bad Bunny's bunny hop?

Nah, what's that?

Bad Bunny at his show in Puerto Rico.

He was doing like a bunny hop, and he appeared to hurt his knee in the process.

Poor guy.

You cried?

I did.

Like he hurt himself bad?

No.

I don't think that.

Now I got to show you.

Y'all can keep talking.

I'll find him.

This guy's nuts.

I got it.

He was just doing a little hop-hop.

He didn't look like he fucked his knee.

He tweaked his shit as long as he was.

He's been out there.

He's been out there performing in a residency for three, four months straight, whatever it is now, two months straight.

You fuck your knee up too.

Oh, shit.

Yep.

Yep.

Pulled something.

Are you saying that was some Illuminati shit?

No.

No, that was a separate question.

Separate question.

Totally downstream.

Totally separate question.

All right, so can I ask, how does chance, this don't have nothing to do with music.

Yeah.

And you can skip it if you want.

Yeah.

But how does chance the rapper?

How does chance the rapper flirt?

Ayo, next question.

Like, what?

How do you buddy?

Nigga, what?

That's crazy.

I know, because I see you want to ask.

And there's a way to answer that.

And they just asked me to say that.

There's a way to answer that.

I just think you're like, bro, what are you talking about?

I asked it a little.

How do I.

I asked again.

How do you go?

How do you go about what we said?

How do you go about showing a woman that you have interest in them?

That's all Riz.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

Riz, like, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, what is your.

Riz.

Next question.

I'm asking, I'm serious about it.

Hit the button, yo.

Like, come on, man.

Oh,

you've been gaying the question out.

That's all.

I just don't have no problem with gay people.

Gay people work for me right now.

Thank you.

I mean, I don't have no problem.

I don't have no problem with gay people.

What I was saying is

I got what's called the gift of gap.

You know what I'm saying?

So I just, you know what I'm saying?

I say hi for you.

Gift of gap.

Yeah, I just talk.

I just, you know what I'm saying?

I say what I say.

Like,

that's what it's all about is conversation, consent.

You know what I'm saying?

Talking it out.

You know what I'm saying?

That's my Riz right there.

Consent, conversation.

You feel me?

All these things that men.

Yes.

Yes.

What the fuck?

Yo, clapping it up for consent is crazy.

It's wild.

It's wonderful.

But we should clap it up.

Shut up, Mark.

Another C-word.

Can you go to the bottom?

What else do I want to know?

I'm still on this album.

I'm still on this album.

Are you you getting calls that you wouldn't have expected singing the praises of this project?

Yours was the best one.

Yours was the best one.

Yeah, man.

Come on, Joe.

You gassed me up.

No, me and Joe have a story like Pats.

You gotta know the lore.

So, like, first of all, we already talked way back in the day on the rap TV.

Well, it wasn't rap TV, but it was on MTV though.

And you was like, chance, you know what I'm saying?

He's going to replace Drake.

Damn,

why would you say that?

Then, then, a little bit later, Joe, I know you remember this.

This is after Coloring Book came out.

My first single is gonna be this song called First World Problems.

And it was like, me just rapping about the shit, yeah, nigga.

And it was me rapping about my real fucking life and shit that I'll be going through.

And my fans like it, and he shitted on it.

And it went viral.

I killed that.

And then, and then I did my own interview where I was like, yeah, Joe used to be a rapper, but he can't rapper.

And then we linked up back when you had the other pod.

And we had probably one of my best interviews.

That was one of our best interviews, too.

That shit was Super Rock.

And I could watch it like a movie.

So it's like,

when I saw you say that you liked the album, but not just say that's decent or putting it in the conversation with everybody, but you kept it real.

You liked the album.

I stood on that.

And it's like, I appreciate it on multiple levels.

I appreciate it because you gave it context of saying like, I kicked the last projects back in.

I'm saying right now, I like this project personally.

And two, it came, I could tell by hearing you talk about it that you listened to it because so much of our shit now is looked at as product and is graded on this weird ass scale by these quick reaction videos that like you don't even get people's genuine response on the album because they can't listen.

They think it all.

They're rushing.

They're performing.

They're trying to be first.

They're performing.

It's a camera in front of them.

They got to think about what their fan base might think about it.

So they're contextualizing it through all of this meme ass it as opposed to like giving an actual review.

So when you talked about it, you was like, this is what I like.

This is why I like it.

This is the best rapping I've heard all year.

And you said a bunch of facts about it.

So then once like people get that perspective, they like, oh, that, and I hate to say it, but like we do group things.

So sometimes people need to think that other people like something before they can even deal with the fact that they like it.

All the time.

That's that's most of the time one of my problems horrible

in in in hip-hop is them niggas don't know rap yeah they don't have so yeah so sometimes it takes somebody to say hey

this is amazing rapping like that's not done in the microwave quick monetization so most of these uh magazines publications podcasts these motherfuckers don't know dope rap yeah no no no do we like the person or not who's your rapper who's popular like the year's almost over we got about four more months.

Who's your rapper of the year outside of yourself?

Yeah, you fucked up.

Outside of you.

Outside of me?

I'm going to say Malice.

Digging.

If I'm keeping it.

I'm talking about written words.

And I think Jidd is fire.

And I don't even mean to say, like, I don't want to sound like I'm, you know what I'm saying?

But, like...

Jid is a great, a great writer, great rapper.

I think Earl is a great writer, great rapper.

Sure.

I think that there's a lot of real rapping stove guy cooks, like

you know, I'm saying, uh, all what's what's folks' names,

uh, Gibbs.

That's that's not who I was forgetting.

That's my man's.

Um, but I was gonna say, yeah, Benny and all of them the Griselda folks, everybody's rapping.

There's 30 sides to making a good rap, and I'm saying that I'm going 30 for 30 every time.

Like, and content and use of literary devices, and rhyme schemes, and rhyme patterns, and you know what I'm saying, like content of lyrics to references to literally every part of it, vocal Vocal tone rhythm, every part of it.

I had six years, you know what I'm saying?

So obviously,

and I'm and I know a lot of the other artists that dropped this year too had time to work on their shit.

But

you print it out, listen to it, play it in the club, do whatever you got to do, drive with it, run with it, whatever.

It's going to work.

It's a thing.

So I got to say,

I would say another great artist, if I had to think of it immediately this year, is Malice, because in those same categories and a lot of those, like, I feel parallel to him.

I feel like, you know what I'm saying?

I don't, I don't think that he,

you know what I'm saying?

No disrespect.

That's how you're supposed to feel as a rapper, but like, I don't feel like he outrapped me.

I feel like when it comes to the things that I respect in the pen and the content that I respect, and like, he's, yeah, he's incredibly like, I mean, he's veteran.

He's like, he's my senior.

So I respect it totally.

And, but this is also hip-hop.

So I'm writing with the intention of being the best.

Mark Lamont Hill has to babysit his dog.

Also known as picking up my child from daycare.

Jesus.

Well, I wasn't making that.

That's not what I was doing.

He's a no.

Oh, my God.

That's not what I'm talking about.

He's a monster.

He's crazy.

I told him about the point.

He didn't know that that's what I was doing.

So our good brother, Mark, has to go.

Mark, do you have any final words for a chance to rap or Armani the singer?

Definitely know.

Yo, go pick.

Never mind.

Go.

Let's go.

Just go.

I'm going to just go.

I don't want no violence.

I don't want no violence.

No, I appreciate you.

I appreciate you, man.

And you're my choice for album of the year so far.

I appreciate the work you're doing, man.

Let's keep building.

Let's keep going.

All right.

I'll see you.

I don't really have too many more questions for you, but.

Why you ain't shake on?

There's no word.

We never do.

Yeah, Mark the King of that Irish goodbye shit.

Did you think that's cool?

Yeah, work.

We never do.

Yeah.

And back to the go when you was going to do your rules.

That shit.

But when when you got, and I'm not, I can't quote you.

You're talking about the Four Black Commandments?

Yes.

Yeah.

No More O Men.

I give the Four Black Commandments.

Favorite record on that album.

One,

Watch Your Health.

That's your wealth.

Two, don't shoot.

Watch your brother.

That's your health.

That's yourself.

I want to hear about that one.

That's one of the best things.

Yeah, you need to hear about that one.

Nigga, I treat you like my brother, and you've been shady as hell for my whole life.

Jesus.

It's the, I am my brother's keeper, but it's more so, it's Umbuntu, it's the, uh, I am because we are.

And the, and the idea is like, we have to see ourselves in each other.

Because, like, imagine when you're in a fight.

Like, when you're in a fight, you got to completely dehumanize that person so that you could do the most damage.

And we think about people all the time, almost sometimes as if we're in a fight.

I'm not speaking for everybody, but we otherize people.

And

the main weapon that you have is your brother.

And that could be your homie.

That could be,

it speaks a lot to me in Vic's situation, even.

I had to learn, we both had to learn that

his success is my success.

My success is his success.

And so we keep going up by helping each other, by you know what I'm saying, speaking life into each other, to speaking well about each other when we get the opportunity to.

And you know what I'm saying?

We know each other since 14.

Yeah, we don't know much about that up here.

Yeah,

you gotta,

it just makes you strong.

It makes you so well about each other.

It makes you so strong.

We just stupid niggas.

Anyway, nah, I totally agree.

I think it's my sign.

Somebody says that all the time.

Like, yo, if you look at another black man as your brother, it's hard to kill your brother.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

It's hard to really inflict bodily injury upon somebody if you're looking at them like you're looking in the mirror.

The mirror, that's really what I'm trying to get off.

Like, you got to see them as you.

Like, that's the whole, that's empathy.

That's like, I can understand how you're thinking, how you feeling.

I feel for you.

And I want both of us to be up here.

What is next for Chance?

What's left on your bucket list?

What do you envision the next five to 10 years looking like?

What do you see for yourself after music?

Give me the rundown.

First, I'm going to go on this tour.

You know what I'm saying?

September 26th.

And go touch the people because I ain't been outside on a like routed tour in years.

And so I got people that, you know what I'm saying, seen me 10 years ago, people that have never seen me before that, like, I got to go be in front of.

So, like, I'm most thinking about that.

You know what I'm saying?

I got to go through this trial shit with my ex-manager before the end of the year.

Oh, that's a trial.

Okay.

Yeah.

And then, you know what I'm saying?

And then

it's back to what I do, which is perform and make songs.

But I feel like this has been, you know what I'm saying,

my hardest and my strongest year.

And so

I look at myself with

scars and all and be like, let's keep fighting.

Let's keep going.

And so, yeah,

I don't know.

You know what I'm saying?

I don't know what's after rap because I think I just finally realized, especially while we were just talking about malice, like

this is the written word.

We get better with age until we start to regress.

But like we...

This is an art form.

You just started rapping again.

You can't start thinking about.

No, I've been rapping.

I've been rapping.

I've been rapping.

Out loud.

No, I mean, I've been rapping in a sense of like, like, I started in this industry when I was, I say, 18 was when I first went out on the road.

I mean, I've been recording since I was 14.

I've learned so many things and I've gotten better and better and better and better.

And that's why I shun the idea of the comeback because it's like...

Maybe I came back in terms of a body of work, but I ain't never rapped like this.

Nobody ain't never rapped like this.

So it's like I'm recognizing that growth, and I'm recognizing that I'm only going to have more experience and better understanding of all these things that I'll be wanting to talk about or explain.

So I don't see myself stop rapping, but you know, hopefully we do some SNL, do some movies,

like tech bags or something on a big or small screen.

Like when I'm watching the new season of the Vince Staples show, I feel like you should pop up.

Like, I should, I feel like I should see you.

Yeah,

I love comedic acting.

I love dramatic acting.

I love all film work, period.

I think I was

doing a bunch of shit.

Like, the Starline thing, it's more than an album for me.

So I know y'all seen, like, I did the festival in Ghana.

Like, I had to do the voice so I could get the money to put on a festival overseas.

Like, I had to do certain moves to be, like, this is

how I'm going to move and how I'm going to build up the movement that I see.

Because my shit, I love music, but music is like a reflection of life.

And so I also like be trying to do stuff in real life with the powers that I have to like,

I don't know just push forward and see it how I want to see it how was that experience doing the voice it was raw it was actually probably one of my favorite ones because you

they are already like a thing like when we did rhythm and flow it was raw as hell because we made that show

we made up all the rules we made up how they win we made up everything like me cardi and tip basically and jesse and so when we did the voice it was like plugging into some shit that's already there but they have such a like you know it's a family show

so everybody they're super nice and super involved like they i've been getting texts and stuff about my album from people that do not listen to hip-hop but like are my ex-co-workers not ex-co-workers but they on the voice like i'm talking about staff staff like it's just a building of people that with each other like so i'm i do miss it for that but also like i said on the intro like lauren hill was like this is

like this is cool but you are a specific person that has to do specific things in your purpose get Get to that, nigga.

And so now that I just did that, I can do a little, take a little time.

Not six years, you know what I'm saying?

You planning on going back like deluxe or anything with this album?

Or are you going to leave it as is?

I've been thinking about it.

I got this thing called Writings on the Wall.

It's like

you go in a room and it's like a 360 projection.

And like, you know, I'll be having my text for my words on the screen and shit flashing.

It's like...

that surrounding you with like different content and stuff and like a special like listening system.

I don't got no problem with them.

Oh, no, no, that was a mistake.

I was trying to.

I was about to say, Dan, you about to throw that.

360 rooms.

Yeah.

There's nothing gay about

immersive.

No, but shout out all the gay people.

I don't want us to keep otherizing gay people.

Shout out to the people.

Oh, no, no.

No, no, we don't do that up here.

Oh, this show loves gay people.

I pretend to be somebody.

Step it up, man.

Listen, fuck you.

Ladies and gentlemen,

first of all,

this door is always open to you.

I say that to everybody, but with you, I mean it.

This door is always open to you.

Does anybody have any final questions for Chance?

If not, Chance the Rapper, Starline,

one of our nominees for album of the year.

If you haven't heard it, it's in your phone.

It's on DSP's right this second.

Please make some noise.

Chance the rapper in the building.

We love you, bro.

Honestly.

Yes, we want to come see the

poetic hole.

Hey, yo, Laze Fair.

Yeah, nigga.

Oh, yeah.

If y'all want, I can sign up.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no, please.

Yo, y'all, are you doing vinyl for this project?

I'm in there.

Gotta do a vinyl.

I know you are.

You are.

You are.

You are.

That's right.

Kool-Aid.

Whole Chicago was popping Chance the rapper.

Pick that album up, stream it, listen to it, buy it.

It's crazy.

Mac died in September.

I cried in October.

She started

too fast.

I missed when it was a lot slow.

I ain't gonna hold y'all, man.

I really enjoy Chance.

That was dope.

No bullshit.

He's always crazy.

No bullshit.

Chance is great every every time you talk to him.

Yeah.

He talked his shit, too.

Yeah.

He talked his shit.

Just how he was feeling, how he was looking.

His outlook of things.

I always appreciate it because he's one of them young genius niggas like Vince.

Like, he is.

Yeah, yeah.

Him, Vince, and a Tyler

host.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

Let's get back into this speed of love and end this bad boy, man.

So when will real love come once again thanks chance thank we want to thank chance for coming up here always we want to thank flip for coming up here

hey flip we big flip in the building

yo you know what's funny

chance asked about you too the first first thing he said when he got here yo flip isn't here i felt like such a dick it's all right you know next time man you know man you don't be with the music guess but they fuck with you yeah they fuck with you and they was like yo i've been following him for a long time Yeah, he was a huge fan of yours.

They didn't even say nothing about Drewski.

Oh, shit.

Hey, yo, we know you want to get a deal with Drewski.

Go through Drink, nigga.

We dealt with enough of your betrayal skills.

Drewski, you want to deal with somebody else?

Suki?

Suki Yana?

You want a DM too?

I don't even know what that is.

Yeah,

you want it?

Y'all, y'all ain't one of those.

Suki, Who is that?

Suki Anna, nigga.

It's your bag.

You Suki.

You Suki.

What?

That girl will suck ish from the back, nigga.

Get your shit off.

What are you talking about?

Go ahead and get your shit off.

Suki, are you wrapped around her?

You don't even remember how that feels.

Getting sucked from the back?

Look.

You know what I mean?

You don't remember no more.

He's old as hell.

Old as hell.

Faithful, stupid face.

Stupid face ass.

Ho wam.

What?

So he did it all.

There you go, yo.

He don't know.

He did it again.

No, I'm not saying that.

He's saying it like he did it again.

No, he's saying it like he.

No.

Nah, you can just see that.

No, he's saying it like he has been getting his dick sucked from the bat, and he's telling you.

No, it's still as fire as you remember it from the 90s.

Yeah.

You too faithful.

Get back in your bag.

You're extra faithful, too, boy.

I mean, and that's good, but you just extra faithful.

Like, you wear faithfulness.

I'm going to take it back to the loop.

Yeah.

To the loop.

Take it back to the Chevry Lounge.

Take it back to the loop.

Take it back to the back room of squeeze, nigga.

I seen you in there.

I seen you in the back room of squeeze.

I thought it got a back room.

What's it does?

Oh.

Oh, shit.

You know more than me.

What the fuck he talking about?

What is he talking about?

Squeeze, y'all.

Y'all know more than me.

No, we don't.

It's what we're saying.

Take it upstairs at the palace.

I've never been there.

I promise you.

Yo, where have you been before?

It's a rock room in the middle.

Yo, you can stop there.

Don't come up here lying no.

I'm somewhere in these clubs.

Don't come up here lying no more.

You go to them other podcasts and spitting all of them.

Don't body that shit.

Come up here and do it, nigga.

You too.

What did you say?

Let me do my research.

What you said, Mandy?

He body that Mandy shit.

Mandy is the mother nigga.

Yo, yo, yo, man.

I like that shit.

He body that shit.

Ever, ever, ever.

What did you say?

Listen to the business.

Don't talk to Freeze when me and Friends.

Let me do my research research and get the facts for you, man.

Well, the

outside of the world's population, yeah.

And homeboy, whoever he was.

Yeah, who the fuck was that?

That's funny.

He's always trying to show up when there's some strange nigga around.

No, I may have misarticulated myself what I meant to say.

What you buy that shit, though.

Such a smooth talking ass.

You're fighting that shit.

When you go through it.

I'm sick of him.

I watched it, and at first glance, I thought it was TD Jake.

I said, Oh, they got a powerhouse.

I swear.

I thought the same thing.

And I'm not being funny.

I watched that.

I was like, they finally got this nigga with his peer group.

I was like, oh no.

When niggas his age.

He playing on the shit.

Because he relates to niggas his age.

Like, when we younger than him, he'd be like, he be grumpy.

He'll spill you.

You think he's 40?

32 or something.

Yeah.

Nigga, you my peer group.

I'll accept it from you.

I don't feel like that inside.

Wait, y'all just let him step on us making a joke?

Fuck it.

Yo, we making our joke, nigga.

What's the joke?

We always do that.

You not our peer group, nigga.

You know how we know you're not our peer group?

I called you Friday night.

Okay.

Bitch.

I called you first.

I called you back.

Did you answer?

I called you back after you.

Did you answer?

Too late then.

It's too late then.

Oh, you.

It's too late then.

What?

It's too late then.

That's crazy.

I'm telling you, it's too late.

How long was the call?

Yeah,

he was up here.

How long is it gap?

He was up here.

Thank you.

Between gold, let me tell you.

Two minutes.

Hey yo,

two minutes.

I'm going right back.

Thank you.

Come on.

Two minutes.

Look, thank y'all.

You won't answer.

It's too late now.

Thank y'all.

Why is it too late?

You're bugging.

Thank y'all.

Sneaker.

This sneaker wasn't the way it was.

He's a bum tag war.

That's your man.

I was trying to end with chance, but now y'all taking me in a different zone.

It's too late then.

He was up here talking buku shit.

I thought we was going to go have a time.

I called him.

He didn't answer.

You're not ready.

You're not ready.

I could see if like some time passed this nigga called you right back I wasn't one it's a little too late

too late buddy I don't care I don't care oh man's an idiot bro look at flip up in this motherfucker happy happy happy to be able to look happy huh you look you look happy yeah look up

hey hey listen listen

I saw the think pieces.

Yes.

Whatever y'all think, nigga.

But let me tell you something.

When you drink some green juice nigga and have a reality check sometimes nigga you come back where you get uh

rejuvenated or whatever i'm happy that's good yeah i've been for the past couple of weeks i was fucked up

i thought it was over

i looked outside the window i stood by the window for man long

put your head on my shoulder

baby come back

my kids say daddy why you by the window you look scary shirt on boy

Just standing, staring.

Looking at the bird, and trying to talk to the bird.

I went into a movie.

I thought it was over, nigga.

I said, I'm about to be out of here anyway.

Fuck it.

That's a fault.

Sometimes you got to just stare.

My kids thought it was over.

They said, You good?

They text their mom.

Yo, he's by the window.

I didn't realize I was sticking.

No shirt, too.

Towel like this.

They know you wasn't going to jump.

My mother came in from Turkey and said, Yo, I heard you was by the window.

I sound stricken.

Yo, what's wrong with this?

This nigga's an idiot, though.

Oh, my God.

Flip is a fucking fool.

Listen, man.

Listen, listen.

So when will you?

Again, once again, thank you to our musical guests.

Shout out to Chance Monty the singer.

Shout out to Chance the rapper.

Thank him for coming by.

Amazing.

One of my favorite people in this godforsaken industry hopefully you enjoyed this broadcast as much as we enjoy delivering it to you keep us in your prayers each and every one of us lord knows we need to be there until the next time i bid you a due farewell audio ceriva dirty ostala vista arvoir here we go a

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not soda remember life is a series of moments and moments past so let's make this one last until it's oh we ate 9

september lastly the baddies are insecure the stagnant women want to travel and the closed-minded women want you to teach them things grab you a tylenol you just might need it hey grew up on tour some of these experiences seem premature but these dreams came push your hip-hop anybody doing anything interesting uh during the week during the week anything interesting this week not at all yeah no it's our time of year to do not do anything nothing nothing this week getting windy outside got it got it it's nice out there

some of us been outside all all summer.

Yeah, I'm starting to chill out.

My mom wanted me to go to the show with her, but I'm trying to tell her to find somebody else to go.

Yo, Paul, you always match your socks with your shirt.

I do.

I like this shit.

You're the only way I can do that.

They can just be doing shit.

What's your freeze?

It's baby, was it Casey?

Charlie Wilson.

Oh, Elder Bars.

Elder Bars.

Yeah.

And

one more.

I'm forgetting the fourth one.

Oh, that's a nice show.

But yeah, it's Thursday.

It was her birthday for me.

Charlie Wilson.

Charlie Wilson.

Charlie Wilson.

Kells and Lars.

It's four of them.

It's four of them.

Babyface.

It is Baby Face.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's the fourth one.

Baby Facebook.

That's your headline.

Charlie Wilson showed up.

Uncle Charlie's RB cookout.

I'm on the outside on the icon.

Babyface on the grill.

No, for sure, y'all talking about.

Whatever you're talking about.

I'm going to let you what you want.

Until the next time, man, y'all hold it down.

Peace, love, health, wealth, and prosperity to y'all.

We'll be back same time, same place this weekend.

You've never heard of Joe Bunny.

We'll fold that up right now.

Don't look away now.

I don't got no problem with gay people.

Gay people work for me right now.

I'm damned around gay people every day because they work for me.

I don't got no problem with them.