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It's just like getting pulled over by the cops.

The window rolls down.

The cops are like,

what the fuck are you doing?

Shit.

Joe, I took one hit of that shit.

That shit was strong as hell.

I feel high already.

That's good for you, dude.

It's good for you.

Opens your mind.

It's the right stuff.

Yeah, there's some talk about Trump legalizing marijuana now.

That would be amazing.

I mean, it kind of feels like it is legal right now.

Well, it should be.

It's so stupid.

I can't believe we're still dealing with this.

I mean, I would have thought by the time, I just turned 58.

I would have thought by the time I'm 58, we would have figured this out.

Can I tell you, with my ulcerative colitis,

we always thought with my ass because

with my ulcerative colitis, after my colonoscopy one time, the doctor's like, well, there's this pill you could take.

It could affect your liver, but not for many years.

Like, not for.

No, this was when I was like 39.

I'm 51 now.

I'd be going to Columbia for stem cells for my fucking liver at this point.

So what I do is the natural stuff, and it does help me.

It just helps, and I don't have to, that's not fucking with my liver.

It would take the place of so many different pharmaceutical drugs, and that's a big part of the problem.

The other part of the problem is the alcohol industry.

Oh, yeah, that would suffer for sure, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And they've done studies.

They know.

They lobby.

They work on it hard.

They do not want marijuana becoming legalized in the whole nation.

Alcohol is way worse.

Way worse.

An age-old conversation, but.

Well, the real big problem is who's selling if it's illegal?

The cartel.

You know, I've talked about this before.

If you've heard it before, I'm sorry, but there's a guy named John Norris who's been on the podcast before, who was a game warden.

He wrote a book called Hidden Wars.

He was a game warden in California.

You know, just a guy who checks fishing licenses and shit.

He loves the woods, loves being outdoors.

He came up with a lot of people.

And he came upon a fucking cartel grow op in the middle of the national forest.

And then they realized, oh no, this is what they do.

They go deep into the woods and public land and they set up a grow op and they got fucking AKs and they got, you know, the Virgin Mary photos that they pray to at night.

It's crazy.

Like full-on campsites filled with cartel dudes.

They started turning into a tactical team.

So this guy had to get Belgian malamois and bulletproof vests, and they're getting shootouts with the cartels in the middle of the woods.

I thought he was signing up to be a park ranger or anything like that.

No shit.

Yeah, yeah.

Hear people's fish stories.

Like, how'd you get this one?

You know, no, he's fucking getting shootouts.

Because

with the cartels, so when California made their laws where you could have legalized recreational marijuana, what they also did was if you grow it illegally, it's only a misdemeanor.

So the cartel could just grow illegally.

It was

a misdemeanor.

And if they catch people that are illegals up there, they don't do shit.

So it's the perfect spawning ground for cartel grow-ops.

And what he was saying at the time he was here, which was a couple of years back, but he was saying that it was as much as 80% of the marijuana, I think, that was the number, in the country, in places where it's illegal, is coming from these dudes.

And they're using all these crazy pesticides and herbs that are totally illegal, fucking super toxic shit.

Shit that's outlawed on farms in America,

but it's effective.

And so they're using it.

So you're getting this weed that's infected with these pesticides and herbists.

There's no rules, man.

It's illegal weed.

If they had it legal, you could have inspectors who could check the fucking fact the

farms and the factories.

It'd be just like alcohol.

If alcohol was illegal, we'd all be fucked.

We'd be drinking moonshine.

No one would drink.

You know what I mean?

Fuck a nice glass of wine.

You're drinking fucking straight-up alcohol, nasty shit, because that's all that's available.

And that's what people are doing right now.

It's dumb.

It empowers the people that are criminals.

Well, you said it before.

It's the money.

They're going to affect the big pharma, and we all have seen from COVID what the hell kind of power big pharma has.

Yeah, they're worried about it, but I think the alcohol people are worried more.

The alcohol people got us twice.

They were fighting.

Remember, they fought MMA hard too, Bud Light.

Did they?

Yeah, and that was a Bud Lightning.

Because of boxing, you know?

Yeah.

It's kind of crazy that Bud Light became a sponsor

years later.

How long did the prohibition last for?

Prohibition on alcohol, that's a good point.

I think it was 10 years.

Was it 10 years, Jamie?

Must have been a rough fucking 10 years.

Bro, yeah, it'd be crazy.

Yeah, right?

But

that's where the organized crime guys come.

For 13 years.

Yep.

That's where Nash.

13 fucking years.

For 13 fucking years, alcohol was illegal in this country.

You know how crazy that is?

A grown man telling you you can't have a drink.

Who the fuck?

Same thing with a smoke.

What's the problem with smelling?

Exactly the same thing.

It's weird.

Exactly the same thing.

We're just delusional about it.

And we put it under the label drug, which is alcohol.

Alcohol is a drug, dummy.

It's the world drug dummy.

Everything's a drug.

There's a lot of drugs.

Caffeine is a drug.

Exactly.

We're drinking espresso.

You just stop it.

It's just knowing how to use each drug.

And the only way you know how to use it is if people are honest.

And if they do studies.

You have actual scientists who aren't being paid off to come up with some sort of negative or positive result.

You know, that's what it's supposed to be.

Yeah.

For all of us, it's all just fucking co-opted by money.

Do you know Maryland

enforce it?

Never heard that.

Maryland didn't enforce it.

Well, that's good.

So you have a drug done your thing for Maryland.

Shout out to Apple James State.

By the way, how crazy is that?

Right.

Also, home of ground control.

Yeah.

Hey, guys, I guess I missed it.

I know you, Matt, Sarah.

This was a totally different.

I've known you for 30 years.

I know.

Totally.

We didn't talk about this at all.

Well, I saw Matt wear his last time, and I said, well, that's it.

The green light, I'm shamelessly self-promoting.

And then Dean came down.

I go, motherfucker, I got a young man.

He goes, I got to represent.

And then you came in with it.

So

I love to talk about it.

I know, that's crazy.

That's crazy.

I feel like I'm left out of the loop here.

I know.

I wish we had some extra.

Shit, I had an extra one, too.

You know what's so funny?

I had one that was still in the package, and I was like, Should I bring this?

I'm like, no, I don't need this.

I think you should have.

I should have wanted to

do that.

It would have been great.

That was like the universe telling me that you needed one of those shirts.

And I ignored it.

That's great.

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That's good for you.

And I've been telling you, I've been eating a ton of fucking pizza and I still got ass.

Uh-oh, here it comes.

Here it comes.

Sarah's slice.

Can I tell you I'm sorry?

No, you're taking it on me.

I can see it in me.

Sarah said,

Can I tell

you now that I'm so proud of this?

I don't like to brag.

Yeah, a little bit.

Dean does.

But on Long Island, we have three champions.

Four, if you include Murab, you know, he's adopted by us.

Chris Wideman has his own day in Long Island.

Aljermain Sterling has his own day.

I'm not butthurt about

not having my own day, but I have something better.

Thank you, Talios, from Sapiqua Park and Mineola.

I have my own Sarah slice.

It's the best fucking, it'll knock your dick off.

It's the best slice.

I put it up against any slice

that you can that you give me.

And the reason being, listen,

listen, tell them.

This kid Rob,

there he is, my buddy Rob.

Oh, he's talking about it.

You have to see the legend.

I'm going to show you guys how we make the Serra of our Roman shell.

Here, we're going to go down with our

grande,

no moisture, look at this, mozzarella.

This is is a very simple

pizza.

So nice stripes

of our chow tomato sauce imported from Italy.

Imported from Italy.

Sea salts, basil, and olive oil.

That is my recipe for my tomato sauce.

No sugar.

Stop putting sugar in your sauce.

And we have our beautiful housemade vodka sauce.

Dude, we make it with magito di farma.

And the hold on.

Matt, tell him

to serve Pizza.

Tell him where the dough comes from, Matt.

He's going to sit down.

Caputo.

Caputo flour from Italy.

No bromate.

No preservation.

Sicilian oregano.

We have some beautiful Fiordi Latte fresh mozzarella.

Come on, man.

Just wait for the fucking pesto.

Wait for the pesto.

The Sarah.

Super simple.

Go in the oven.

Got eight minutes.

Look at this fucking thing.

Look at this fucking thing.

Oh, yeah.

This is one of the best advertisements for cards I've ever seen.

No pronate.

No bleach.

You know, I tell you, this is the only green I eat.

Beautiful.

I eat that fucking grated pecorino.

Ready?

Wait for the course.

Oh, the money shot.

Let's fucking go, Rob.

The pesto.

Take a bite.

Guys, I'm so proud.

Sarah, come get it now.

Both locations.

Paulio Pizza.

Help yourself.

You are so happy.

Thank you, Rob.

This is the first time you'll ever see Matt's mouth shut.

I'm so happy.

That's so good.

Hello, Joe.

Why you didn't bring us none?

Dude, can I tell you, I'm there all the fucking time.

My podcast I'm doing, I found the first shop near Mineola train station, and I'm like, This fucking shit's ridiculous, you know?

And then the guy happens to be a fan of the fight and rob.

So then he's like, look, I'm opening up another spot, dude, in Massive Peakwood Park.

Dude, that's five minutes from my house.

This is meant to be.

It's fucking meant to be.

And now he's training now, Rob.

So that's awesome.

Italio's pizza.

The G is silent, like lasagna.

And

I just, I'm so happy.

That is the number one problem with any of that carnivore diet bullshit.

Just the number one number one problem is pizza.

Oh, right.

Yeah, no doubt.

Italian subs.

He was telling me that it's not even legal in Europe to have the bromate.

I didn't know what the fuck bromate was.

He goes, it's stuff they put in the dough to make it last longer and this and that.

This kid has such balls where he saw it important.

He's twice as much for a flour of caputo flour.

Dude, I don't know much.

I know a lot about.

You know, I'm not espresso.

He tells me the whole thing about it.

You feel different if you eat that flour.

I'll eat this shit on the way to go train at my school.

And I'm not doing that with Pietro's, no offense.

I'm not doing that with other schools.

He has a, it's so good.

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Well, fucking duh.

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They put this in our flour.

Dude, that's what I'm saying.

That's crazy.

Crazy.

It causes changes in DNA

and potentially lead to mutations.

Guys, what the fuck?

I'm telling you, man.

Look at that fucking statement.

That's crazy.

Dude, that's why, man.

I notice it's placed at the end.

Give this kid so much credit.

Nobody does this.

People can import.

They can do that part.

They can import the flour.

It's just more, but this kid's killing it.

And it's fucking, and it's...

It's such a difference, man.

They say when you go to Italy and you come back and you're eating all that shit and you come back, you're not fat.

It's that shit.

it's the flour man and he makes the heroes out of the same flour

jamie do you remember that video that i sent you about that dude breaking down exactly what's in flour and why it fucks us up do you remember that video

you'll find it it's the dude with the hat on who's the health expert is a young guy and he does an amazing job of breaking down the difference between our flour and their flour and you see you get so upset you're like this is so crazy you guys let them do this to us like yes

abandoned in other countries is illegal here How is that possible?

It's crazy.

You would think why are we putting up with this shit?

Why?

Why?

Yeah, why is the difference?

It's because it's slow poison.

It's not like alcohol is like, whoa, you feel it the next day.

Like, oh my God.

Pizza is just a slow poison.

Slow poison without poison dough.

It weighs you down.

But it would

weigh you down.

It would be just as good, just as good in terms of how you feel when you eat it, just as good flavor-wise, just not fucking kill you.

Explain to me why I can eat bread in Spain and in I can in Greece, Italy,

no problem.

Why I was gluten-gluten-free in 15 years, I've been gluten-free in uh

Carano, America,

can't eat it.

That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe.

See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain.

About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain and germ or the fiber and nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead.

Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize, therefore many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation.

But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas and the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China.

Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut.

So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired and blame gluten but gluten is just the scapegoat the real issue is ultra processed chemically altered bleached bromated fake vitamin filled wheat soaked in glyphosate this isn't bread this is

that's it that's wild that's it neon sign up in his thing no bleach no bromate that's amazing dude i got abs still and i can eat pizza it's like heaven he's at the right time now too because people are starting to be made aware you know yeah it's yeah and you can blame it on gluten all you want but it go eat pizza in Italy.

Give it a shot.

You feel good.

It's like I'm doing that every day.

Pasta there.

Yeah.

So pasta there's incredible.

There's a few places.

How I cheat here on pasta, like back home, Deep Esqualis is the big Italian spot.

And

they have, you can get ricotta gnocchi's.

So they're made with ricotta cheese.

And, you know, it's like maybe five grams of carbs and a thing of gnocchi.

Yeah, you could cheat it out, but if you really want to get fucking blasted with some carbs, lasagna will do do you in.

Lasagna will do you in.

Oh my god.

There's something about Italian food when I'm really hungry.

I just can't help it.

I don't care about my diet.

Fuck.

The sauces and all that stuff.

Yeah, it gets you.

You know, Joe DeRosa, the comedian,

he's got a place called Joey Roses.

It's a sandwich shop.

And Joey Roses, they import all their flour.

That's the thing.

And it's the same thing.

They make their bread fresh every day and they throw it out at the end of the day.

They never use stale bread and they never use any preservatives.

And he's like, like, that's the difference.

Like, you can eat these sandwiches and you feel good.

Yeah,

it's crazy that that's rare.

Isn't that weird?

That's not how you consume food.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, you should be feeling good after you eat all the time.

Yeah, we're fucking poisoning ourselves.

And the fact that it's illegal in China and all these other places, like, how is

there?

We're more corrupt than them.

That's crazy.

I mean, that was part of it, too, when you talk about the trade imbalances.

Some of our food not being able to go over there was just the fact that they wouldn't allow the food.

to be able to get to the

food to them.

Exactly.

It's not even legal that bromate and shit.

It's fucking crazy.

It's fucked up that we're feeding that to our kids.

And these regulators knew about it.

They knew about it for a long time.

And if you're in that business, if that's your business, you fucking know what's going on.

And you guys let them just do that to people for profit because they can make more money this way.

But also, there's a problem with feeding fucking 300 million people.

That's a problem.

Any disruptions to the food source is a fucking dangerous thing because no one's growing shit.

You know, we're all relying on someone else to do the growing work.

And then what are we doing?

We're fucking going to these farms and catching all the people that are doing the work and then just deporting them.

Which is like, whoa,

we need that.

Bro, we can't do anything right.

Yeah.

We can't do anything right.

Be a little fair about the bromade stuff.

It's been used since 1923, and the FDA has been telling people to stop using it since 1991.

Wow.

Don't know what it is.

They've been telling people to stop using it, but they didn't tell them they have to stop using it.

Well, they urge people.

It's up to people and they can do whatever they want in America.

But in America's, is it the only place that uses it?

I don't know, but only.

I think they said Canada.

Yeah, Canada.

Canada.

Of course not.

They like our little brother.

You know what I'm saying?

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Throw our little cousin that we got to hang out with at fucking family weddings.

You know, that one cousin.

And he texts you later and you're like, Jesus Christ.

We all got that one cousin, right?

He's just like, yo, man.

He wants to talk to you about communist theory.

Like, come on, you fuck.

Relax.

Shut up.

They're fining people for walking in the woods.

You hear about that?

Where?

In Saskatchewan.

Is that where it is, Jamie?

I have no idea.

Walking in the woods?

Yeah, this guy got fined.

They told you that if you get caught in the woods, because it's so hot out, they're worried about wildfires.

There's no wildfires, but they're worried about wildfires.

Every year you worry about wildfires.

So to combat this, you can find people $28,000.

To walk into the woods.

That's a lot of money.

And one guy did it.

One guy's like, fuck you.

I'm going to the woods.

And then he went went viral, of course.

Man.

Which is a good move.

Probably.

What's going on in the UK?

This is the guy.

I mean, $28,000 move.

They're putting thousands of people in jail for social media posts.

Oh, yeah.

No, banana stuff.

These fuck it's getting, everybody's going communist.

Yeah, one

person put this

Facebook post or something like that critical of immigrants and saying they come over here and rape and murder our women.

And because of putting that up on Facebook, this person got 20 months in jail.

Absolutely.

20 months

in the UK.

In the UK.

It's fucking really easy, dude.

A bunch of sensitive pussies.

They've arrested

my friend Constantine Kissing from Trigonometry, the podcast.

He's the one that first told me about all this because he had this conversation with this guy where he said, How many people do you think get arrested for social media posts in Russia?

And, you know, he tells him what the number is.

It's like about 400.

Like, oh, wow.

He goes, how many people do you think get arrested for social media posts in the UK and the guy was like what it was like it's 4,000 dang true yeah what would the charge be for posting something they don't have freedom of speech like we do dude they I actually saw like a police cam video where the fucking the cop was telling them that yeah but your post offended like it's like what the fuck do you mean I'm going to jail because my post offended someone like get the fuck out of here a man what is this Jamie a man has been jailed for Facebook person

encouraging violence.

He's been jailed for 20 months for encouraging people on social media to attack a hotel in Leeds housing more than 200 migrants.

So is this the same guy, Jamie?

I Googled man jailed in UK for a Facebook post 20 months.

This is what came up.

Interesting.

Well,

that's Google funneling you into what they want you to see.

Oh, he's talking about violence.

No, but I'm not sure.

I mean, maybe maybe he was talking about violence.

I mean, this guy obviously was.

I'm willing to wager there were more.

Where the, whatever the guy with the wig is,

what are they called over there?

Yeah, right.

They wear the wig.

The dude, if you could find the video, Jimmy, the guy's full-on wearing the wig.

A wig, like a George Washington wig.

And so he reads the Facebook post that this guy made, you know, which wasn't nice.

But then, you know, then he says, like, for this egregious crime, I sentence you to 20 months of detention.

And even the wording they use is weird.

It wasn't like detention.

It was like a weird euphemism for fucking jail.

He's on timeout.

Yeah.

Yeah, no.

It was weird listening to him talk.

It was super dystopian.

He's got a custodial sentence and he only has to serve half of it.

Oh.

So he only has to serve 10 months in a prison for

making a post on Facebook.

Can you find the video, Jamie?

Well, I'm sure.

Find the video because it's kind of funny when you see the guy's wig.

Like, they have to wear the wig.

That's like the move over there.

The old school powdered wig.

Wasn't it back in the day?

Didn't they used to wear them to hide shit?

No, it was syphilis.

They were losing your body.

I don't know what they were doing.

Yeah, they were.

Yeah.

That's where the term big wig comes from.

Because the richest people got the biggest wigs.

They all got syphilis.

So this is what happened.

They came over to America, right?

When the, like the, in the 1492 days.

Yeah.

When they came back, they brought syphilis.

syphilis and syphilis just going rampant through these european cultures and these these people have syphilis came from here and they went back there this is the thought that so there's different types of syphilis but they're pretty sure there's some evidence that indicates that one type of syphilis was transferred from native american populations to europeans native americans who had already had a resistance to it just like we had a resistance to smallpox and the flu when the europeans came over here and that's what the indians did and that's why they got wiped out well they didn't have resistance to this kind of syphilis.

This is like a hole in your face.

Your fucking, your hair falls out.

This is the guy.

Listen to this, motherfucker.

You did not want your money going to immigrants who, quote, rape our kids and get priority, end quote.

This offense is so serious that an immediate custodial sentence is unavoidable.

Would you stand, please?

The sentence that I passed has been reduced by one-third to reflect your guilty plea.

The sentence is one of 20 months' imprisonment.

Say that you didn't.

This guy said he didn't want his money going to immigrants and went to jail.

This wasn't somebody threatening violence.

Yeah.

They edited the post, so we don't know what else to do.

Right, there was an edit.

I was going to point that out.

There's something there.

So, this here's the thing, too.

Whenever it's possible for something like this to exist,

whenever it's possible,

there's going to be a bunch of people from other countries that edit stuff to make you more mad at the people in the UK.

Like,

they're doing, China does that in America.

There's a lot going on with social media and these kind of clips and posts and stuff.

There's a lot more going on than makes sense.

People always bitch about America, but look at that shit.

You know what I mean?

They're not locking anybody up over here yet.

You can't bitch about America in comparison.

The whole rest of the world is way worse in terms of

how you're able to express yourself, the consequences of expressing yourself.

This is a pretty good spot.

It's just not perfect.

It's a cool thing.

It feels weird now that it's like the younger generation, everybody's like, they just like, it feels cool to say like, fuck America.

Like people are like, you wear an American shirt, they just think you're a fucking MAGA guy or something.

It's like, dude.

Well, you can't be proud of where you're from.

You're from America.

You can't be proud of your country?

America is everything.

It's all the things you know it's just we're so tribalized and we have to get over that that's the the number one problem is people decide that there's people that they hate and they hate everything about them and then okay now you got 50% of the country that you can't associate with that's not on your team like what did you do and so well now you have to justify everything your team believes in including shit that doesn't make any sense and shit that is probably immoral you know especially when it gets you get into like trans kid surgeries and shit like that.

You have to sign off on that because if you don't, then you're signing off on these right-wing bigots that want to fucking, you know, put the Bible and everything.

Yeah, you get, you're a Nazi.

It's like we're, it's bad.

Both fucking versions are bad of both sides when you're looking at it from the other side because it's all cartoonish.

Because most people live in the middle of shit.

Yeah.

I mean, I mean, I feel that's 100% true.

Most people are in the middle.

I think you made, like the point you made earlier, too.

You're getting just fired through the algorithm, you know, the shit that pisses you off if that's what you're clicking on all day long anyway.

So it just drives that wedge deeper and deeper, I think, because they're just inundated 24-7.

Like, sometimes you just got to stop and get outside or watch a TV show to decompress.

That's the fucking problem, though.

You can't even enjoy.

Man.

What they did with Star Wars, with the Occupy.

You can't even enjoy.

You can't enjoy.

I love the pop culture.

I love movies.

I tried to watch The Electric State, that fucking thing, because I love robots going fucking rogue and AI.

It's the Electric State.

It's a Netflix movie with Chris Pratt and it looked like a big budget.

It was by the Russo brothers who did The Avengers and shit.

So I'm like, I go, it's about AI, robots.

Dude, what a piece of shit.

I couldn't even get through the opening.

And then, I know what I don't like?

I don't like when I'm watching a movie and already I see, okay, I know who the director voted for.

Like, you know what I mean?

They're like, you're right.

They're bringing up the uprising of the robots and they go, and to celebrate the enslavement of the robots, Kid Rock did a concert.

Oh, did he really?

Did he really, you fucking assholes?

I enjoy this shit.

Okay, you're on that side.

Go fuck.

I turned it off.

You're bringing me right out of it because you're showing me like, you're taking shots for the audience to know.

Dude, fuck off.

I want to see some fucking robots fucking i want to see i want to be entertained i don't want to know about your fucking politics i feel like we have political fatigue though i feel like most people are tired of talking about it most people like just stop

that's where i'm at i don't want to talk about the shit ever it's also it's like pretending that one side is beyond reproach is fucking ridiculous and if you're one of those tribal people you have to do that you have to support your side and like that that just gets nuts you can't do that there's too many people there's too many financial interests.

There's too much money.

There's too much shit going on.

There's too much.

Why is there a bromate in my bread, bitch?

That's the point.

That's the political

number five.

You motherfuckers have been doing a terrible job of taking care of us.

You're not really taking care of us.

We want to think you're like a cool counselor or something like that.

It's like looking out for the rest of the kids that are on this camp together.

You know, like our councilman is going to take care of us.

They're going to teach us how to get through the woods.

Meanwhile, they're just stealing money.

No, you can't go to the woods.

It's a 28,000 hours.

That's Canada.

But that's Canada.

I mean, but this is the problem with places that don't have the freedoms that we have.

Like, the Constitution, our founding fathers, they nailed it.

They really did.

It's crazy that they nailed that so well.

They knew human nature so well that it applies.

Like, it's important 300 years later.

Maybe since they came from a monarchy, you know what I mean?

They gave them that perspective.

They were so smart, but I wonder how many of them were there, right?

Like, how how many really well-educated people were around back then?

Think about the age.

Couldn't have been that many.

They were kind of young.

It ain't even that many now.

Not a young man

that were writing this thing.

Yeah.

Some of them are like in their early 20s.

Yeah, but that's middle age back then.

That's a good point, man.

It's fucking middle age.

That's true.

You get an infection back then.

You get stabbed.

That's syphilis.

Yeah.

Done by 35 over there.

Yeah, bro.

The syphilis thing is really nuts, though.

But that is why that stupid fucking thing that that guy was wearing on his head.

That's what I that's the tradition uh tradition yeah based off of syphilis and they still do this shit today yeah and the guys with the most money had the biggest wigs that's why they called them big wigs big wigs it all started with these two brothers that were royals was it brother or a guy and his cousin i forget but these guys who were royals in france and uh these guys were like you know the socialites they were the the celebrated people and they started losing their hair because they're freaks you know they're probably fucking up a storm over there and they're catching syphilis and they got holes in their face and shit and they smell awful and their fucking hair is falling out.

So they just get a wig.

And then other dudes say, I want to be like him.

So they got wigs.

And then a bunch of people started getting syphilis and they covered it up with wigs.

But that's crazy to me that you're almost celebrating having syphilis by getting a bigger wig.

Well, you know what it is?

It's like you're not celebrating syphilis, but since everybody's wearing a wig, your wig is the dopest one.

That's right.

We got to have a dopest one right now.

Is it crazy that it's all because of sexually transmitted diseases?

Wearing that shit.

It's crazy.

That's our first export syphilis.

I think it was smallpox, man.

Smallpox wiped out the whole country.

The whole country.

The whole, all of North America was filled with people.

They all got killed.

It's like 90% of the people got killed.

Damn.

Hold on.

What year was that?

This was between the times of the first settlers to

the 1800s.

It was 90%.

Did it say 90%?

Like Native Americans died from disease that

Europeans brought.

And you know, for a long time, they were trying to deny, they were trying to figure out, like, what happened to the Mayans?

Well, I'll tell you what happened to the Mayans.

Disease.

Disease.

Obviously, Europeans, they had this spectacular civilization in Mexico.

If you ever go down and you ever go and seen any of the ruins?

Yeah, I went to Chichi.

I was in Chichin.

Cheechinese.

Yeah, I went there too.

Yeah, I went there too.

It was a couple months ago.

It's amazing.

Fucking amazing.

Dope.

Yeah, it's dope.

But like, what were they?

What drugs were these motherfuckers?

Yeah, how were they building that shit?

I don't know, man.

A thousand years ago, it's amazing to see.

And even like the, remember that the ball court they had where you could stand at one end or the other and you could hear each other talking and shit because of the acoustics.

And it's just

the sheer

size of it.

Size of it.

It's like, wow.

And then just wiped out by a cough by dirty, stinky Europeans right off the boat, breathing on everybody, swept through the people, no immunity to it.

It's crazy.

That's pretty wild, man.

It's exactly what happened to all the Amazon, too, man.

They're finding that out now.

The Amazon was all just disease.

Damn.

They had millions of people who were living in the Amazon.

And some Europeans went to visit in, like, I forget what year it was, but they came back and had these stories about these beautiful

cities and filled with gold and all this crazy shit.

And then people went back 100 years later and it was all gone.

Oh, they said, oh, this guy was lying.

White tourists.

But it it wasn't that.

Isn't that crazy?

It wasn't lies.

So now they use LiDAR and they scan over the top of the forest and they see where these cities used to be.

There's so much shit over there that they haven't even uncovered.

It's just nuts that it's just dirty diseases.

Those first people, they fucking, hey, coming over and they're like, fuck that.

They were hard-ans enough to make it here.

You know, they were bringing some shit with them.

Oh, bro, you know how hard people must have been back then?

Can't even just to even say, okay, I'm gonna try it.

When someone says, hey, we've got a wood boat and we're gonna go out there.

We have no idea if we know where to find.

I've always given Christopher Columbus credit for that shit.

On a fucking wooden boat in the middle.

I can't even fucking find directions to get to the fucking apex half the time.

But the crazy thing is, we give him credit for landing here, and he didn't even make it here.

Yeah.

He landed in like the Indies, right?

Like the West Indies.

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Where did Columbus actually land?

It was like near the Bahamas.

He wasn't even in America.

Bahamas is

a fuck where he landed.

That motherfucker went out into the ocean 500 years ago on a boat.

Can we give him Christopher Columbus Day to land here?

I mean, I'm looking at the Vikings.

These motherfuckers,

you know, just conquered nations going everywhere.

So what does it say here?

San Salvador in the Bahamas.

Yeah.

First land on an island in the Bahamas.

That is not America, bitch.

You don't get credit for discovering America.

The Italians were taking credit anyway.

But that's probably when them diseases started hitting them areas.

Oh, I also had that.

The history of smallpox goes back to the 6th century, starting in China.

Smallpox does?

Yeah.

Interesting.

So the 6th century, and then was it mostly smallpox that killed off the Native Americans?

Or was it a bunch of different diseases that we brought with us?

Problem.

I mean.

Yeah, there it is.

17th century European settlers bring smallpox to North America.

There's an amazing guy named.

What does that champion?

European settlers are here with Christopher Columbus.

That's in the 16th century.

Not 17.

Right?

1500s?

Right.

If he landed in 1492.

Yeah, 140.

That's 200 years later almost.

Right, well, it's probably like

how many people came, you know what I mean?

Like

when Christopher Columbus came, that was, so this is 1492, he lands in the Bahamas.

Like a hundred years.

Yeah, how many people got, were interacting with them, you know what I mean?

How many people, once they started coming over here regularly, like when did folks started hopping in boats and coming over regularly?

Like the early settlers.

I wouldn't have did it.

I mean, fucking way.

Fucking way.

No fucking way.

Those people were animals, man.

For real.

You're going to take a chance.

This dude knows how to get across the ocean in a wooden boat using a thing.

Yes.

We stare at the stars and try to figure out where you are, and he's drunk all the time.

Jamestown was 1607 when that started.

That's when it started, huh?

Interesting.

Well, that would be.

So that probably makes sense for us.

So like 100 fucking years they talked about it.

Isn't that kind of crazy?

I like in Vikings.

You ever seen the showings?

He talked about America for a hundred years before they came over.

Oh, no, shit.

Yeah, so it's like he lands in the Bahamas, and then a hundred years later.

Oh, right.

And then he knows when people started.

Yeah, then they start the first colony.

I wonder how long it took him just to get across.

Can you imagine what it would be like setting up a colony in a new country?

And you know, there's people with bows and arrows waiting in the colours.

Yeah, just waiting to buy.

You knew the first people that set up the colony.

They knew.

They knew that there's fucking Indians waiting for them.

Oh, yeah, everybody knew.

They knew that this was inhabited, and they knew the type of people.

They had come back, you know, whether it was Columbus's people or the other, whoever was here, came back, and they had all these crazy stories about, you know, interacting with.

Also, the craziest stories were from, there was a,

one of the guys was a priest or something, some holy man that was traveling with Columbus who had detailed descriptions of the horrific shit Columbus and his men did to whoever the indigenous people were that they encountered.

Oh, horrible shit.

Where they were saying, if you don't bring back your weight in gold, we'll chop off your arms.

They were chomping arms off, dashing babies' heads on rocks.

Yeah, they were forcing these people to bring them gold.

It's like, do you remember that guy's name?

Father Something or another?

So he had his memoirs of

his time over there with Christopher Columbus's people.

And he was like, it was horrific.

So these people that we celebrate, I mean, this is one thing that the Woekesters got right.

You know, if you want to celebrate Christopher Columbus, like Christopher Columbus, we have Columbus Day.

Be careful who you're celebrating.

If that father, that priest, was telling the truth, you're celebrating a monster.

You're celebrating like a literally like a mass murderer who would go to another city.

I mean, it's believable when you think about history.

Bro, that's all they do.

For sure.

You mean everybody conquered everybody at one point or another.

Yeah, and when there was no internet, you could get away with a lot.

A whole lot.

A whole lot.

Yeah, nobody knew you were coming.

You're coming with boats.

You're fucking people up.

You're taking all their shit.

And when you land places, you're like, it was,

this is probably the only time in history where a boat can land in a place and it's not hostile.

In America, when boats come here, it's like

where you land.

But for the most part, most boat travel's not hostile.

It's like, oh, look, a big boat full of people.

They're going to come eat at our restaurants.

And strange people from a different land are going to come and enjoy what we have to offer here in Portugal or wherever you are.

Some people are counting on that.

Bro, it used to be a boat showed up.

You didn't know that was.

It was on.

You got the war horns.

Yeah.

You hear a fucking shell.

Fuck.

You got to wake up, put your armor on.

Fuck.

I can't believe I got to do this.

Just imagine that shit.

Bro, that's how they live forever.

That's how people live for thousands of years.

It's nuts.

It's amazing we made it as far as we did.

I don't know if we'll do another thousand.

I think that's a good thing.

Not with these technical motherfuckers.

No, I'm just saying, like,

think about where the people are.

Think about where we are now.

Like, those dudes, they was hard, right?

Like, regardless, they was hard.

Now we in TikTok culture.

They're not hard like that.

No, there's a lot of that.

And there's an encouragement of men to not be strong, which is always weird.

Pushing the

whole thing.

It's always weird.

There's that encouragement.

And it comes from people that aren't strong.

They want more people like them,

more like us.

And when they're in control of social media, that's where things get weird.

The fucking Acolyte, I'll tell you, they clipped all the balls from the Jedis.

Nobody's going to want an action figure of that fucking little

Star Wars.

Well, I mean,

they made the Starship.

I mean, the Jedi just took a lot of time.

I mean, they pussified the Hulk and Marvel.

They should.

Yeah, they gave him glasses, and now he can talk.

Now it doesn't make any sense that you would go back and forth between being the Hulk and being Bruce Banner.

Yeah, because he wasn't all in this.

This makes sense.

He's supposed to be

a Silver Smurf chick weak.

It's designed.

Silver Smart Chick.

Yeah, Mystic.

That wasn't that great, that movie.

But Superman.

That is a weird choice.

It's a weird choice to give a guy role to a girl.

It's a weird choice because there's so many girl roles in Superhero.

There's comic books.

There's chick superheroes.

Especially in the X-Men.

The X-Men had plenty of bad roles.

Tons of them, right?

They got to do that over right now.

It's like you've got Superwoman.

There's plenty of different characters you could play.

I don't know why you're not going to be able

to prove a point.

Unless, like Pat Sarah says, I know who you voted for.

Yeah.

To be fair, there is a female Silver Surfer for all the people.

This is the second one.

Here's the deal with that.

She was in maybe two episodes where she mattered, and the rest of them, she was mentioned.

Like, she's not a real character.

Bro, I used to love the Silver Surfer.

Did anybody ever do a Comic Surfer or a flat-out movie that's any good?

Not a straight-up one.

I thought the first Fantastic Four one, they got the Silver Surfer pretty good in that one.

Why wouldn't they have a Silver Surfer movie?

That's a no, that's like my favorite character.

I mean, especially Silver Surfer.

Cosmic character.

Yeah.

Zen is fucked.

Never gets upset.

1,000%.

I mean, he basically sacrificed himself to save his planet and his girl.

Bro, the Silver Surfer is literally the coolest comic book guy.

He made him look cool in this.

Rise of the Silver Surf.

Yeah, I thought this was

good in this movie.

They did a version of a whole episode of The Avengers, or a whole movie of The Avengers on the Silver Surfer.

I forgot about it.

Fantastic Four.

What year was that?

This was Fantastic Four.

Oh, yeah, Fantastic Four.

This was pre-2007.

This was when Jessica Alba was the invisible woman.

2007.

And Captain America was the human torch.

Chris Evans.

Yeah, he was good.

Who played Silver Surfer in this?

I don't remember.

It might have been all seasoned.

He looked a pod, though.

I thought

they nailed it, I thought, in this.

The thing looks like it.

The voice was Lawrence Fishermark.

I remember that.

When I was chubby, I looked like Michael Chiklitz.

The Shield.

Chickletz.

The Shield was.

Yeah, that was a great shit.

But, yeah, I saw that new Fantastic Four movie, and it wasn't overly woke or anything, but

they could have done more with the thing.

Yeah, I heard he was like a minor part.

You know, the girls had the best parts.

They're the ones that did the thing with Galactus at the end.

I don't know.

No spoilers.

What fuck.

So, you know.

But I am am happy to say, and I know you were waiting for me to bring it up.

I enjoyed the new Superman.

I didn't see it yet.

Of course not.

We're all adults except for me here.

I want to see it, though.

I heard it's good.

James Gunn, man.

I don't believe I never heard of that song

Punk Rocker by Teddy Bears.

Oh, that'll change your life.

It has Iggy Pop in it.

Oh, it gets my nipples hard.

It's so good.

And the movie, if you like Guardians of the Galaxy, which I'm sure you did.

I love every good.

Then you'll like this because it's just fun.

Let's have fun again.

I am nothing against the Henry Caval one.

He was a badass.

He was good.

But it was a little, you know, Snyder's got that darker feeling.

Isn't it kind of weird that we still want to see the same fucking characters over and over and over again in different versions of the same movie?

Like, isn't it kind of weird?

No, because some people love Guardians.

I understand, but it's like...

There's a little thing of it that it's like seeking comfort in this thing.

Oh, it's Superman again.

Like, not letting go of our childhood.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.

100%.

Because, like, try coming up with a new Superman today.

People are going to be like, fuck you.

Like, some new kind of comic book guy, like, not no background at all in comic books.

So, you, you come up with a superhero type character now in a movie.

No one's going to watch it.

Right.

Like, I don't know.

I don't want a new one.

No one wants a new one.

Everyone wants the Hulk.

Everybody wants Spider-Man.

You want to see Spider-Man?

There's like, how many different dudes have been the Hulk?

Like, four or five dudes have been changed.

Yeah, they kept changing the Hulk.

Bunch of dudes.

Ed Norton was the best.

They got rid of him because he wanted to keep the Hulk like the Hulk.

You know what I mean?

They didn't liken him as well.

Yeah, right.

That was my favorite version of the Hulk.

The Ed Norton movie.

When he's running through the favelas in Brazil.

Yeah, that was awesome.

When the Hulk starts running through that factory and he's smashing through all the whole thing.

Hell yeah.

That's when it was like, you kind of knew it was bullshit.

You're looking at it like the CGI.

It's okay.

It's a comic.

But as long as you keep it kind of darkly lit, you know, don't show me too much.

They got better with that.

They got better with the.

That wasn't too long ago for Hancock.

That was a superhero that was just out of nowhere.

I can't watch anything with this fucking guy now.

I didn't want to watch him.

He was so fucked.

I was about to say,

he's nuts, man.

He's real corny.

And this guy's doubling down on smacking Chris Rock.

You know that?

He has a verse.

It's like, you disrespect me on the stage.

Expect me on the stage.

Which is kind of cool saying, but, you know,

doubling down on it.

Spiral, downward spiral.

And then, I mean, you're basically, he stole our show name because he is a cuck.

You're saying our own show name is cuck.

You saw what the hell his wife has humiliated that poor guy.

Yeah, publicly.

Yeah.

That was weird.

And he was universally loved, and now he's pretty well almost universally reviled

for Chris.

And then the

music shit in his head.

I was about to say his rap is so trash.

Garbage.

Sometimes you hitch your horse to the wrong wagon.

Yeah.

And that'll take you on a bad journey.

So

that'll take you on a bad journey.

And

you might hang in there for a while and keep your sanity for a while.

But eventually, if you're living with someone who's

not right for you and there's a lot of tension, which there seems to be with them,

a lot of weird shit.

Important decision is the spouse.

The most important fucking decision.

Gigantic.

Yeah, I mean, look at the kids.

I mean, at least the son.

Imagine if you had to camp out with your best friend for the rest of your life.

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You would have to really be careful.

Like, I have to pick one dude and I'm going to be able to camp out with him for the rest of my life.

Just me and him in a tent for the rest of my life.

And you get to fuck him.

No, no, no, no, no.

You're saying no.

Personality.

Yeah.

But now you add in sex and the fact that you're not even the same gender.

Yeah.

You got to be.

My thing is, I always say you got to be compatible.

You know what I mean?

Me and my wife, very compatible.

Yeah, me too.

Because, man, I can't.

I can't be lucky.

I can't stand anybody.

Well, you know, you just got to be picky.

And some people aren't.

Some people just settle for hot.

Yeah.

That's the problem.

Yep.

Settle it for crazy.

And that's always the most dangerous thing.

I'm going to get the chart with the hot and the crazy chart.

It's different for the girls.

The girls settle for, all right, shit.

I got to get a kid soon.

I'm going to be 30.

So they'll settle for Mr.

Good Enough.

So that's the most important.

It's got to be hard for the girls out there, too.

Fucking bunch of savage.

It's hard for everybody out there.

It's a weird time, and now everybody's on dating apps.

So everybody has

a new opportunity at every swipe of the finger.

Today it's like socially acceptable to be a hoe.

I think it's also,

there's real concerns that intelligent people have about population decline.

That sounds kind of crazy.

Like, well, we're not going to population decline.

There's plenty of people.

But the problem is people are not having nearly as many people, like replacement people.

It's like not enough.

Like in order for a society to exist at the same numbers, essentially everyone has to have kids.

Right.

Right.

But a giant percentage of people, like in our generation and younger generations, are not having kids.

They're deciding to opt out of it and just focus on their career.

They say in Italy and here, I I mean, Japan, like they're all having a negative,

you know, population over the years.

Like they're not having enough kids to sustain the population.

And you add into that microplastics

that are killing everybody's balls.

They're

knocking down your

body.

It's like a thing that we don't see coming.

You know, we don't see it coming, like a real population.

But places like Japan are freaking out.

They're really worried about it.

South Korea, same thing.

Yeah, it could be a real population.

I didn't even know that was a thing.

Well, it just makes sense, sense, man.

If you've got everybody just wants to have a career, and if you can't focus on your career because you have kids, you put your kids off till you're in your late 40s.

What's the number, like the 2.1 or something?

You know, you have to have 2.1 kids in order to maintain

just the current level of population.

Someone was telling me that in vitro fertilization, which a lot of women use, that those hormones that they have to give you are linked to cancer.

Really?

Is that true, Jamie?

Can you look that up?

Because

someone brought brought it up to me and I was like, I don't know if that's really.

And why is testosterone in the younger generation not as strong as it used to be?

Microplastics.

He had a lady on that went deep into that stuff.

There's no strong evidence to say this is AI.

AI is working for the government, man.

Okay, let's see.

National Institute of Health says transient increase in the risk of having breast or uterine cancer.

So as soon as you start admitting things like that to me, and this says no conclusive evidence that fertility 1999.

Yeah.

Right.

What does it say?

Like

17 do not

it says doesn't treatments do not increase the risk of ovarian cancer, malignant melanoma, or cancers of the endometrium.

Hmm.

Why am I skeptical?

I don't know.

But maybe I'm skeptical because you're using Google.

Well, I mean, what?

I know, but you know what I'm saying?

That's the place to use.

But I would wonder how much of that would be available.

Like if someone, if someone's some sort of an alternative doctor or someone who's stepping outside of the lines and saying, I'm treating a bunch of cases of cancer, like where would you even find that guy's work?

I don't know.

No idea.

Twitter?

Yeah, that's the problem, right?

You you see a a thing on Twitter, you're like, is this guy a quack?

Right.

Is this guy real?

But a person person told it to me that I trust, and I was like, really?

That stuff causes cancer?

Because, like, that's you're, you're, you got to dose yourself up with a bunch of hormones when ladies do that in vitro fertilization thing.

All I know is I like that now, at our age, we're all in our 50s.

Are you 50 yet, motherfucker?

Next year, okay.

I'm still in my 40s, man.

I mean, are you on TRT yet?

Are you on TRT yet?

Yeah, yeah, I got a little bit of TT.

I got a little bit of a trend.

Thank God we have that, man.

Because back in the day,

they'd be fucked up at our age.

Back in the day, we would just find it on the street.

Well, I know, I don't think you'd ever get it.

You had a different neighborhood.

But those guys were right.

That's what's crazy.

It's like old juice heads were right

in a lot of ways.

There's a lot of old juice heads in the gym that were looking jacked in their 50s and 60s.

What does it mean?

Bobby just stays on D-ball.

These guys stay on one CC.

These guys.

You would meet people in the gym that would tell you what they they do and how they did it and then you had to take advice from those folks and a lot of fighters got their you would think by the time a fighter gets to the UFC you know like well he's probably got a professional team behind him a bunch of like really organized folks like no no no these dudes come with sketchy characters

like super sketchy connections to the streets just read as much as I could you know if you were gonna you try to get as much information as you could about what you're putting in yourself the best guy is online is Derek oh now

today he wasn't around in the 90s and 90s.

I know, but he's like the best first.

You know, he's a smart motherfucker.

Smart motherfucker.

For real.

Yeah.

I wouldn't fuck with that myself.

Like, I go to a place that, you know, they check my blood every six weeks.

All right,

you got to donate blood now.

You got to do this and that so it doesn't get too thick, you know.

I've heard that before, but I don't have that problem for some reason.

Yeah, it doesn't do it to a thing.

It doesn't, you know, every once in a while.

It doesn't do it to everybody.

Go donate the blood.

No, I was recommending that to check it a bunch of times.

Make sure I'm okay.

Yeah, you're perfect.

Because you're supposed to get your.

I only had to do the blood twice.

You do it every six weeks?

No.

No, you mean you're getting the blood.

No, they check me.

They check me, and if it gets too high, my red blood cells, whatever they have.

Oh, so you're just getting the finger prick to see what you're...

Yeah, they take a little blood out, and then they check it, and then they check all my everything.

Well, they can do your red blood cell count.

Like, if you go donate blood, they fucking prick your finger and check what your level is.

Yeah, I go there.

Well,

my place finds out first, and then they say, All right, I can either do a dump there, but they don't use the blood.

I like to donate it because I'm not better about blood.

Yeah, I do decide.

Do you have unvaccinated blood?

Do you have pure blood?

I got pure blood, man.

I don't.

They pay me.

They pay me.

They got double.

Which one they get?

Three times.

I got all three of them.

You double half.

Yeah, I got all.

I had to, though.

I had to.

Why?

Because you had to work.

I had to work.

You have seen me?

You have seen me?

Yeah, they made it.

They didn't make me.

I fucking didn't announce it.

But if you travel, though, if you travel in all the pastors,

fuck sad.

Some of these countries weren't letting in without it.

Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't let us in without it.

When you fucking make someone take something because

the only way they can use your service is if they take, because you think that this thing is going to work and it doesn't work, shouldn't you be able to go, fuck you, you made me take this and this thing didn't even work.

It didn't even do any of the things he says.

Yeah, I feel bad for the people.

It's crazy what you can get away with in the world, especially during something like a pandemic, you know, where everybody just agrees to different rules.

Because that's what happened during the pandemic.

I was thinking about that shit.

Are people still dying from COVID?

No.

That's what I'm saying.

Like, what happened today?

There's people that are dying with COVID.

So there's people that are dying, and they also have COVID, but they're dying.

Yeah.

Right.

And that's the difference.

And that's why the numbers for the deaths were elevated so high.

He died of cancer.

Bro, a shark attack.

Check the fetus.

He's got COVID.

Yeah, like everybody died of COVID.

Because they were financially incentivized people to treat deaths as COVID deaths.

Same with the ventilators.

They were getting more money if they had somebody put on a ventilator.

And then they find out the ventilators were killing people.

Bro, imagine that.

There was so much craziness.

Like, you know, when we were saying we hope that someone is in charge that knows exactly what to do.

And no, there's a lot of times in history people have no idea what the fuck they're doing.

And then financial interests get involved.

And then they come up with it.

We're going to just make everybody take this.

This is going to be amazing.

Yeah, a lot of money.

Just take it once.

Two, three times.

They can't take you to court.

Yeah, they can't take it.

No liability.

Because they called it a vaccine, but it's not even really a vaccine.

It's a gene therapy.

It's a totally novel, new thing that you're giving to 300 million people just in this country alone.

The ads were so shady.

Like, I'd be in my car and it'd be like two students talking, like, my parents don't want me to take it, but I'm really nervous.

It was like, really crazy.

I'm like, what the fuck is this?

So nuts.

Bro, that's so nuts.

You know how many people have stories where they let their kid take it, and then the kid has a stroke?

They're all over online.

Myocarditis was a big thing.

Myocarditis.

Yeah, there's undiagnosed myocarditis out there, too, I bet, where people just feel tired all the time, feel a little fatigued.

Yeah.

So, am I the only one here who got the vaccine?

Yeah, definitely.

Jamie got COVID real early.

Jamie survived it early, so

I knew it was not that big a deal.

Good job, Jamie.

Took up the team, Jamie.

Jamie toughed it through.

I was like, Jamie seems okay.

All right.

And then Tony Hitchcliffe got it.

He got it worse than Jamie.

He had it a little longer than you, right?

I don't know.

You don't remember?

Yeah, man.

It's

the creepy thing is these motherfuckers, they meet and then they say, oh, there will be another pandemic.

And you're like,

how do you know?

Yeah.

Well, what about Biden and friends were trying to sign one with the WHO where they had control over being able to shut the U.S.

down

and all this nonsense.

Thank God we pulled right the fuck out of that.

What a dumb idea.

Let some giant global health organization have say over

fully corrupt.

Let these motherfuckers run the country because Bill Gates is a corner donator to it.

Yeah.

Just nuts, man.

It's just nuts.

Crazy shit.

Before I got here, I was watching

fucking Kamzat versus Kamara Uzman.

Not to jump into that now.

Yeah, let's jump into it.

You know, I had Dracis on Unfiltered the other day.

Yep.

And, you know, he's an intelligent guy, man.

He's not a guy that doesn't do his homework.

And he was just saying about everybody talks about how aggressive Kamzat is.

And he goes, watch his fight in Kamara Uzman in the second round.

Over three minutes of him just standing there.

Standing there.

He's like, he's not going to be able to do that to me.

He's going to be working the whole time.

He trains so fucking hard that he puts out everything in that five minutes.

That one minute gets him right back.

It's almost like he approaches that at like five different fights.

Like, you know what I mean?

Because in that one minute, he comes back down and then he goes back out there again, Dracis.

And we were just talking that we saw, you saw the same thing I saw with his grappling ability.

He took out a whole, I mean, listen, it's different.

Those guys are a lot of guard players,

but he did a quintet

and submitted everybody.

Again, they were more jujitsu guys.

It's a different type of style, but that was impressive.

Not to mention,

I looked, but you know, my producers gave me his bio and everything, and I'm like, dude, he started his first thing, the first entry into martial arts was at five years old doing judo, and his second discipline was at 12 years old doing wrestling.

I mean, it's not like he's not a grappler.

Everybody's just so used to him fucking throwing his bombs and his kicks.

Well, you know, I'm on your side with this.

We had that talk last night.

He's a monster.

And there's guys, and you know this because you work with Murab.

There's guys that reach this level of discipline and they achieve a level of cardiovascular performance that's just above everybody else's, and then they maintain it.

Like they get that advantage and they keep pushing it and they slowly keep adding on to it.

Like you're seeing Murab now,

particularly in the second O'Malley fight.

You're seeing just like a totally different beast.

He's super

non-stop, and you can't

keep up with that.

You know, he's like, it's just hard work.

It's just hard work.

I believe that, but man.

Yeah, but state of mind, too.

Like, he believes it mentally.

But the amount of hard work is extraordinary to get to that level.

And I think Drickus is kind of a similar

guy.

I think that dude works so hard that he can go out there and fight full blast, which is what's weird when you watch him fight.

Like, sometimes it doesn't look as clear.

He looks like he's mouth-breathing, but he just keeps deciding that.

A lot of that was the earlier fights before he got his nose fixed.

So he got his nose fixed

so he could breathe out of his nose.

Makes sense.

Changed everything, and then went on a tear after that.

That's when he crushed Whitaker.

Like, the Whitaker one was shocking.

Because we all know how durable Whitaker is.

The Yoel Romero fights.

Like, that guy's durable as fuck.

To watch him just flatten him like that, you're like, whoa, hang on.

He's funny.

He says, he goes, I don't, he's like, I don't have a great poker face.

He goes, people say I look tired because I am tired.

And when you get tired, you breathe out of your mouth more.

And he goes, but even if I am tired, I don't have a poker face, but I'm still coming forward.

I'm still going to.

And he has, he's got, man, he's got confidence.

He's beaming with confidence.

He's just that guy.

I mean, he's a good champion.

He's a great champ.

Great champion.

Speaks well.

Yeah.

It's interesting, the Izzy fight.

I went and watched that again.

And, you know, it seemed like Izzy had an advantage up to a point, but then the pressure got to him.

Then he got hit with a couple of those long shots.

And it just looked like he just didn't have enough in him to fight his way out of it.

And when he went down, he got submitted pretty quickly afterwards.

But

I would wonder what Izzy in his prime, how that fight would have looked.

Because that would have been a lot different.

You know, Izzy in his prime when he was, you know, he's a little quicker, a little bit more angles.

Yeah.

Also, just

hadn't been damaged.

And there's the damage of training.

But like, Izzy Paulo Costa.

Yeah.

That's prime.

Yeah.

That's prime.

That's also

motivated.

Izzy, like, fuck you, Izzy.

He's sitting down on his shots.

Izzy, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, put him away quick and then dry humped him.

Yeah.

You know,

don't do that, kids.

But that Izzy, that would have been very, very interesting to see him versus Dricus because he could have handled that pressure.

Because

the pressure is bananas.

You know, like the Anthony Hernandez fight.

Jesus.

That pressure is nuts, bro.

Crazy.

Man, I was like, you couldn't keep up with him.

Dude, he looked like a different level.

He looked great.

He's Roman.

He looked amazing.

He looks like a world champion.

He looks like a a world champion.

I spoiled it for you guys.

Sorry about that.

No worries.

No worries.

No worries.

No, I was out.

Yeah, when I came home, I was like, fuck.

I didn't see it yet, but I watched it as soon as I got home.

I was super impressed, man.

And that whole division is like, Jesus, there's so many different contenders in that division.

You got Bohalia.

Oh,

man.

Jamavo.

Yeah.

This whole fight card.

Another dude with a gas tank.

Strickland, like, what's going to happen with Strickland?

They suspended him indefinitely for punching some dude.

Yeah.

Oh, dude.

Did you see that?

Like, he didn't have to do that, man.

Those guys got to...

Him and Chris Curtis, man, they just...

Man, you can't fuck with them.

Yeah.

Because they will not back down.

You just can't fuck with them.

Yeah, and you can't...

But you can't jump into a cage and punch somebody.

That's what I'm saying.

That guy was being a little disrespectful, though.

I like Strickland.

Fuck that guy.

I mean, that was kind of...

And then they interviewed that guy after.

He's like, you know, he doesn't have anything on the mic.

He's like, like, yeah, well, it's entertainment.

It's like, oh, boy, he was.

Jesus.

He got what he wanted.

He got what he wanted.

Yeah, he got his two seconds.

But Sean is crazy.

Yeah, man, those guys.

He's really late, man.

He is what he sells.

You know what I mean?

He walks that fucking shit.

He's definitely not an act.

You ever see when that guy tried to, well, the guy who was like running from the cops and he was sneaking around his house.

He comes out.

And Sean came out with a pistol.

Yeah, I did see that.

The dude had like crashed DY and then jumped out of the car and was running into the wrong fucking yard right into

Sean Strickland.

I mean, a lot of times now, though, sitting in the house waiting to shoot somebody.

He's so excited.

Oh, that's a wet dream for him.

Yeah, but, you know, nowadays with that guy being disrespectful like that,

everybody's so used to no repercussions.

It's like, so everybody just gets so much ruder.

I always say that.

Bring bullies back.

The world was a better place.

Or teach everybody martial arts.

I mean, that would help.

It just sucks when a guy who is into martial arts like Strickland does something.

And you still love him.

I told them a story last night where Longo's like, yeah,

this kid wants to do an interview.

His mother's a little overbearing.

And, you know, she's a little crazy.

But then, how about the kid?

The kid's a nice kid.

So I'm like, all right.

So after a Saturday class, I got like 60 people.

You know, I get up.

My nights aren't great because my ulcerative colitis, but you know, I'm energetic.

I do my class.

I do this thing for this kid, 12-year-old kid, and the mother's like, oh, we want want to inspire the youth of today because they're all little shit.

She's an Irish lady, a little.

And then, so I sit down with this kid, and I'm like, all right, you know, okay, I'm here with freaking UFC legend Matt Sarah, and I'm 12 years old, and yet we managed to be the same exact height.

I got fucking, I got, I got blind-started by this little fucker.

So now, and when he said that, the husband and the wife are husband's behind the gate.

I'm like, dude, I'm seeing red.

I want to fucking.

So they're laughing.

In other words, they want to respond.

So I'm like, so my first thought was directed towards the father who might have taught this kid no manners.

Stop lying.

The kid's your size.

You wanted to hit him.

I wanted to see what I give the fucking Loki in that.

I was going to take that little fuck.

So then I remembered that

I got my daughters in there.

So I go, so he tried to ask me, I go, oh, so I go, who came up with that question, bud?

He goes, me, me.

And now, this kid knows I can't strangle him.

I want to kill his fat father.

And then I remembered my three daughters are in there.

So I go inside, I go, just, I can't even, I go, give me one second, kid.

I go inside, I go, Maria, this kid's giving me a hard time.

I want you to roll with him and put it on him.

Okay.

On my Instagram, this kid wanted clicks, 38,000 views.

of my i go is he oh my daughter strangle the out of this kid

and i and we got some clicks and it was

like

Repercussions, Joe.

Re-fucking percussions.

He's my height now, kid.

I might even say on the video, oh, you're going to get some clicks on this?

Yeah, you want some clicks, you little fuck?

And they, you know,

oh, you see my daughter.

No mercy for the 12-year-old.

Oh, that's gotta be crazy.

And after my daughter said, I go, you want to start from the feet or

on the knees?

He chose on the knees.

You know, my daughter strangles him once.

Then I go, I pull in, pull him on top, pull him and go out.

I'm just,

anything, I just, I go, you're gonna make any more short jokes, Cameron.

No,

little fuck, you know, but anyway, I just love jiu-jitsu, man.

Shout out to my Maria, but uh, I'm glad I tried.

My first instinct was attack the old man.

I'm like, you fat fuck.

I'm sitting there giving you my target.

It's the first question.

You'll get away with that.

I know you for 30 years, John.

Fuck that little fuck.

You know?

Joe, who's not right?

As you think about like the industry of like trying to keep bodies together, what industry, what sport provides more patience than jiu-jitsu?

Oh, my goodness.

Like, everybody, you know, like, if you think about it, when you get to a certain point and you've been training for a certain amount of time, you're going to get fucking banged up.

Like, what sport benefits more from like guys in their 40s and 50s, like peptides and stem surface?

Jiu-Jitsu brings a lot of patience because everybody's hurt.

Yeah.

everybody's hurt.

20,000%.

Regular 40-year-old dudes aren't hurt all the time.

You know what I mean?

They usually work.

They go into an office.

They don't rarely get knee injuries.

Knee injuries are rare.

I'll tell you.

40-year-old jiu-jitsu guys, everybody's knees are fucked up.

Everybody's fucked up.

Everybody's fucked up.

Everybody got a hurt shoulder.

Everybody.

Elbow's fucked up.

Everybody got a bad fucking pickleball.

I do a 40-night, 40, I do a 40-and-overnight

class every Wednesday.

I teach it.

Oh, me knee.

And then just to feel like Gordon Ryan, I jump on the old men.

I have fun with them.

But, dude, they fucking love it.

Sometimes when it's less than 20, I'll do like my old school jiu-jitsu gang fight.

Everybody, I pick teams.

I put this guy over there.

I get it kind of even.

They all start on their knees.

You remember this?

We used to do it from the feet back in Henzos.

Everyone's pricking their backs, jumping on backs.

But

when one team,

no lower body submissions, could be two-on-one, three-on-one.

It stops when one team submits the whole other team.

So we got these old men in there, like,

they're jumping on bats.

Dude, they're upstairs in the locker room.

It reminds me of the Twilight Zone movie when they play Kick the Kid.

They're like little kids up there, like, talking about, they have such a good time practicing murdering each other.

That's right.

Isn't that funny?

Like,

making it novel like that, making it like a team thing.

Oh, it's funny.

Especially if you trust each other.

If you're

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So I make sure I pluck guys out on a fucking every month.

Somebody comes in I don't like keep you a couple hundred dollars get the fuck out of here.

It's all top down.

It all comes down from the attitude of the people that are running the place

always.

Yo, do you ever show up in a random jiu-jitsu school and just pop in?

no you can't do that i haven't rolled at all in a year no kidding no i've had a reoccurring knee issue and a reoccurring lower back issue that i'm trying to get right before i do anything stupid again

you know what i mean shout out to bio accelerator and oh that place is great they're so fucking great a lot of positive results from that place i know a lot of people went down there

which i used to wave like fucking this and now i'm i'm just i'm so happy i'm able to do it again bringing back to the kamaro fight with uh chimayev Kamaro's been down there, too.

I was there a couple years ago.

Yeah, it's a lot of UFC guys go down there.

Oh, 100%.

That CPI in Tijuana is a

closer trek.

That place is really good, and the UFC is affiliated with them now.

Okay.

Yeah.

Very interesting.

Yeah, they're really good.

I know a lot of people.

Eddie Bravo's been down there multiple times, but I know a lot of UFC fighters that have been down there.

Man, I've been to,

again, Colombia.

What is it?

Medelline?

Am I saying that?

Medaline.

Medellin.

I always fuck that up.

But for, hey, the food down there was fucking delicious.

Oh, yeah, man.

Went out there with my Jedi Abe and fucking, he took me into town.

The food, I was eating the bread.

I was, and I'm just, again.

South America knows how to eat it.

You know, fuck that pro-mate.

It's so good.

Yeah, I went down there.

Dan Severn was down there.

We were the beast.

Yeah, Dan the Beast.

He was in a fucking wheelchair getting rolled around.

Oh, no.

He's in a wheelchair?

No, just for that.

trip because he was getting strips out.

Yeah.

Oh, oh, oh.

Oh, yeah.

You got me addicted to these fucking things.

Yeah, you got at home, my Muay Thai coach at home, Vince Mosky, runs the Thai program.

He goes, yeah, tell Rogan, thanks.

I tried them fucking Zins, and now I'm addicted to them.

I took my whole vacation off of them.

And like I said, I was like wondering what it was going to feel like.

I was like, oh, my word.

No, nothing.

It was fine.

It was nothing.

I just think it's, I think it might be a biological thing.

You know, some people, cigarettes just get them and they just want to smoke cigarettes every day.

And some people, nicotine gets them.

I think some people could just stop taking nicotine, and they seem to be all right.

And thankfully, I seem to be one of them.

It helps me shit.

I'm good.

You have a microphone.

I should have a couple of those with my espresso and a seltzer in the morning.

Oh, Jesus.

You know, it's terrible.

I feel so great.

It's terrible for playing pool.

If you take too many of them,

you're shaky.

You don't have a good connection between your movement.

You feel like weird when you're shooting.

Like, you don't notice it when you're talking because it is a a stimulant.

So, it's like stimulating your brain.

It actually helps brain function.

Nicotine itself is a nootropic.

It's a nutrient that helps brain function.

Like, it'll help you pass tests.

I think it helps my ADD a little.

It probably does.

Terrible for pool, though.

But I'm still on that alpha brain, so that's all the

gummies now, too, man.

Oh, do you?

Gummies.

Yeah.

Nice.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'll take some, too.

I got a.

I'll give you guys a jar of them.

We get out of here.

How many do you take?

I take three.

Oh, shit.

Back on

the Duplessis fight there.

I mean, we were talking last night.

We both think that DVP can pull this out and win it.

He can definitely win it.

My mindset.

And look, we all know Kamzat's a savage.

He can win it too.

Yeah, I could see Silk going either way in this fight.

But if we look at it, I mean, his two toughest opponents, save for Whitaker, who went in there with a broken face and got it broke the rest of the way.

Right.

You know, Gilbert, 170, and maybe Gilbert won that one.

Kamaru, 170, took it on very short notice.

On the couch, off the couch.

Almost won that one.

If it goes longer, probably he does win that one.

That was middleweight.

Well, yeah, but he's 170-pounder.

If he's making 70 all the time and going to 85,

now you're fighting a dude that walks at 230, so he's not going to have a big strength advantage over him.

Yeah, he's going to be the better wrestler.

But

I just think that Drickus is going to be able to weather the storm and then come out the other side and it's going to be a problem.

And if Comzotte comes in, people are talking about him fighting at a slower pace.

Well, that's not his style.

And if he fights at a slower pace, I think that plays into Drickus's hands because it will allow him to

move forward

and pressure him into things.

Well, it's going to be interesting to see if it gets into deep water.

That's what's going to be interesting because I know he started training with Calavita.

Yeah, he went for his conditioning.

Yeah, he went to Sam Calavita, who trained TJ Dillishaw.

He works with Aaron Pico.

Armand Sarukian is doing it with him, too.

And that guy is a legend, man.

Calavita is a real one.

No, 100%.

He's a real.

I believe with cardio too, part of it is

your mental, your mindset, like with pushing through the tired.

And, you know, we were talking a little last night, and,

you know, Kamzat's a bad motherfucker.

I don't know about his mind yet.

Because this is the thing.

This is what I was getting at.

He pulls out of a bunch of fights.

Armand Sorukian, who also just pulled out of a fight.

But Armand Saruki.

But Armand said the problem was Hamzat overtrained for every fight, and he would always come into fights worn out.

And that was the difference between work with Calvita.

They're monitoring his actual recovery.

They're making sure they're doing everything scientifically.

Calvita, I think his background is in cycling.

Like it was in endurance sports.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I'm familiar.

I'm familiar with him.

I know who he's.

I know he was TJ's guy.

Nobody knows more about cardio than cyclers because it's all cardio.

The whole thing.

It's all cardio.

So they know that.

Cardio and EPO.

Yeah, they know that, too.

They know how to recover, and they know

what's your threshold, like where you should be.

For sure.

So he's using real science to do it.

And he's like, this is the first time he's ever been through a camp like this where he's coming in fresh, where he's not over-trained.

Well, we're going to see.

Yeah,

We're going to see.

And my question is, too, if he gets in a bad spot,

is he going to push through it?

Will the bully crumble?

You know, when he was in the city,

he didn't crumble with Drake.

He got sat down by Gilbert, too, though.

But Drake has even said in that fight, how he started strong, there's a certain amount.

He was counting how many minutes he was just standing in front of him.

He said that with both those fights.

His fight with Gilbert and Kamara Hooseman.

He had the exact amount of time.

He goes for three minutes and whatever seconds he was just standing in front of him.

He was saying that for both guys.

Kamaro was coming on strong in that third.

I know.

He was coming on strong.

If that was a five-round fight, I bet the betting would shift.

For sure.

Oh, 100%.

He started coming on at the end of the second.

He started to.

In the third round,

it was all Usman, I thought.

Yeah, I mean, but it is impressive the way that motherfucker can shoot from halfway across the octagon.

No one's going to be able to do that.

His wrestling, too, like, I don't know.

Do you know Pat Downey?

Yes.

All right.

Well, I've known him since he's a little kid, and he was in Kamzat's camp and said, like, he said his wrestling, he goes, wrestling is, like, real good.

He said he's got top-notch wrestling.

Like, he talked about it.

He said, we probably both did better with each other than you would think.

Like, he did better with wrestling, and I did better with the Jiu-Jitsu.

He said, but he said, like, he said, the guy's a beast.

He said he's strong, said he's, and he said he's a high-level wrestler.

Schaub was down there watching him train.

And, you know,

they asked Shaab to spar with him.

He's like, fuck you.

He's like, I'm 40-something years old.

No, I'm done.

I'm not doing this anymore.

And he said, Hamzat was just lighting people up.

He said, he looks really good.

Nice.

The thing about Hamzat is a good one.

All these guys were 170s, right?

You're right about that.

But with 170 comes speed, right?

And Hamzat's speed is a factor.

It's a big factor with his hand speed.

He's, you know, people forget because what he did to Kevin Holland, the way he could ragdoll guys on the ground, but what he did to Gerald Merschard is pretty fucking spooky.

Yeah, Yeah,

that's a really good punch.

He's a really real punch.

Technical and sharp and straightforward.

He's a very well-rounded guy.

He's fucking good standing up, man.

He's good standing up.

And that's where it's going to be weird.

That's where I want to see.

Because Duplessis makes everybody look stupid.

He finds a way to get up.

Every mistake he has.

He must have got a lot of power.

But they're not mistakes.

For sure has a lot of power, but someone did a great breakdown of what he did with Robert Whitaker, where he set up that right hook.

and the way he was like recognizing that Whitaker had this certain pattern.

And it's not like it looks weird because he just moves different than everybody else.

That's awesome.

He's stiff.

Whatever it is, it works.

It works.

And when he hits you, it's like he can't hit by a car.

It doesn't have to be that pretty.

That's what I'm saying.

He's got to have power to make guys so nervous about getting hit by him.

Bro, that cat is so big.

He looks like a fucking heavyweight when you're next to him.

You're like, how are you a middleweight?

How are you 185 ever?

The thing that I, that, uh,

that, that comes, that I keep thinking about is like, when's the last time he actually, though, fought a guy with Comzotte style?

I mean, who's ever, who, who's trying to shoot on him?

Besides, maybe there was a Derek Brunson or something.

But when's the last time he fought a guy that's just going to be no one has Hamzat style in the UFC?

Well, what I like.

But even a grappler, a street wrestler.

What a DDP said,

he said, look, I'm fully prepared.

I'm going to get taken down.

Like, he's not in there saying, my wrestling, I'm stuffing him.

He said, I'm going to get taken down, but I'm going to weather the storm and I'm going to be able to get back up.

And I'm going to describe a strong warm-up in a rubber suit.

Man,

slippery as fuck.

And if you don't want to cheat, you can bend the rules because it's not cheating.

I mean, that's not cheating.

When he gets on top of somebody, man, you definitely don't see guys getting them off of you.

Well, when you've got a guy who's got, I mean, that actually might not be a bad idea.

Give him

those tracksuit things.

To get a warm-up with it.

Might not be a bad idea.

Because you totally can do that.

Like, no one could stop you from doing that.

Wittaka was defending okay when he was down there.

Well, I mean, everybody remembers his teeth getting shattered, but before that, yeah, it wasn't likely he would have survived because Kamaro survived it too, right?

It's possible to survive unless he just like what he did to Kevin Holland was kind of crazy.

Holland on me.

He just went one to the other.

Just

crushed him.

Gilbert, his guard, kept him out of it.

Yep.

Yep.

You got to have a decent guard.

Because he don't like it.

When Gilbert started moving his hips, he said, nah, I'm out of here.

I'm out of here.

Gilbert's actually really world-class Jiu-Jitsu.

Gilbert's just world-class.

Yeah, Gilbert's dangerous as fuck everywhere.

You know, it was interesting watching him roll with Rockhold because I know that, you know, it's not like Rockhold was in camp and prepared for this, and this is Rockhold at its best.

I don't even know how much he had been training, but Hamza just handled him.

Just handled him.

And we know how good Rockhold is.

Yeah, very good ones.

Bro.

Listen, what's so exciting about it is there's a chance he could just take him down and do what he did to everybody else.

There is that chance.

Definitely.

Because he's so good on the floor, and he comes out so aggressive.

But

if he survives it, you know,

his survival.

Does he have the confidence to go for it and possibly empty the gas tank and get the finish?

And if he doesn't, how fucked is he?

He has no other way.

I don't think he's

down in Smash.

That's what he wants.

That's what he's.

He makes no, you know, you can't adjust.

He's disguising it.

Yeah, this whole thing isn't.

You can't adjust now on the world championship fight.

You got to just hit the gas.

That's the sprint.

Instinct's going to kick in, and he is a sprinter.

You know what I mean?

But that's the question: is can he sprint for five rounds?

Because we know DDP can.

Him and Staun Strickland, they were ready to have heart attacks at the end of that fight.

They were ready to have heart attacks.

It's probably like the most elevated heart level we've ever seen.

You got to give it a fight.

In a world championship fight.

Getting his nose busted like that.

Oh, yeah.

He's still staying.

He's old.

That's buttons.

And fighting with staff.

He had staff.

He had staff.

He had staff to the second fight.

That's why he was listless.

Yeah.

He was on antibiotics and everything.

He's all fucked up.

Yeah, it fucking's terrible, man.

That happens all the time.

Meanwhile, that happened with Murab.

He fucking.

Muraboff too.

No one even noticed the dude.

Bro,

he's so different on antibiotics.

He's outworking everybody.

Like, that's crazy.

That was the.

Which fight was that?

With the staff?

Yeah.

Was it the Umar fight?

I think it was the Umar fight.

It was the Umar fight, which was crazy because there was

pace that melted Umar, and he's doing it while he's on inner back.

His back was hurt, too, for that, wasn't it?

Murab, yeah, yeah, there was times he wasn't sleeping through the night.

He couldn't.

That is, yeah, Murab's different.

That is nuts.

I saw John Wood the other day.

They think they're just going to run through Corey.

Oh, I don't know.

Murab's just going to run through Corey.

Well, somebody's going to be able to do that.

Some of that back running through him.

You've got to be real careful with hubris.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

For sure.

Marab's not shaking.

Murab's not.

That's not leave Murab thinking like that.

That's not Murab saying that.

John Wood said that?

Well, he, I mean.

Murab could have had leg amputated.

Jesus.

Dude.

That's Murab.

They don't need legs.

They could have taken that leg.

I only need one leg.

He said, oh, he was just taping it up and going back to practice.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Someone close to Murab told me that regular people would have probably had their leg amputated if they had to deal with the staph infection that he had on his leg.

Jesus.

He was just like taping it up and going, I don't believe that.

Whoever told you that, that's not true.

They would put antibiotics on that.

That's not true.

They don't just randomly amputate people's legs, I hope.

I hope.

It said he had broken his hand early in the fight.

Oh, Numer Gomedov did.

He said he had broke my back in training camp, but some days I couldn't get up from the bed.

I just laid down.

I don't have a training camp.

I don't have a Khabib Nergabetov to help me train.

Some days at the PI was closed.

It was Christmas.

It was New Year's and weekends.

And it happened a couple of times.

Umar was there, and the security goes, I'm sorry, we can't let you go in.

Yeah, Murab's different.

Yeah, Murab's built different.

Yeah.

But there's also something about dudes that are from that part of the world.

That is a war-torn part of the world, and it makes a different kind of man.

He's the American dream, man.

I just had him on on my pod and we were talking for over an hour about his whole journey.

And dude, when he came over, he did not see him, like, I couldn't even communicate with him.

Like, I could because I have a way, but he didn't speak any English.

When I see him doing the skits now, the chicken banana.

He's funny as shit.

I think so.

He's funny.

He's, he's just, he goes back.

And now he goes back to his, to Georgia, just to

have the chariots next to him.

This dude trying to jump on the bus.

It makes me so happy, man, Because you've seen his whole journey, when he first came to New York, he was got linked up with fucking retards.

And these guys were morons.

And thank God he went into Longo at the Hens of Gracie Academy.

And

then he found his way to Longos.

That's a problem, right?

If you don't know where to go and you wind up at a real bad camp and then they claim you forever.

Oh, man.

He had him doing the gold.

He had him doing the cold.

He's just like a bad wife.

This guy was up.

That's what I always say.

It's like a bad marriage.

Just like a bad marriage.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But he found his way.

Yeah.

Oh, you guys are so good.

You and Longo, without a doubt, need a reality show.

Oh, fucking bad.

I'd need some sort of reality show with you two guys coaching people and then going to dinner.

With the greatest talking shit.

It would be a great show.

I fucking love it when you guys, I would really love it when you guys were, you know, in the corners when you get mic'd up.

I know.

He was the best.

We have a good time.

It's great.

The two of you guys together, it's a fun team.

Everybody says that.

Everybody wants to see a show.

I told him last night when he's on your podcast, he's the best.

You know what's so cool now, man?

I have my 16-year-old over there.

He's holding for us.

It just makes me sad.

That gets me emotional.

Oh, my God.

That's awesome.

It's so cool, man.

You know, he's

67.

He's still fucking going, man.

Long go.

He's the best.

He's such a Ray's awesome.

But you two in the corner are so uniquely fun.

It's so fun to watch.

Like, if I was a television producer, I'm like, that is a no-brainer.

We took our guy down to the flagpole.

Maybe Paramount Plus.

Listen to this.

Paramount Plus.

This new merger, whatever was happening.

We got some content here.

New deal.

It's exciting, I guess.

We have a Paramount Plus show.

I don't think so.

You and Ray Longo, Paramount Plus, going to pizza places,

talking shit.

I'm not against it.

Going to the fights.

Going to the fights, like talking about your fight.

See, it's like a built-in show.

You have fighters that you're training.

You talk about how he's doing.

You talk about how he came to you.

You two guys just talk about the world.

Yeah, fucking promises out there.

Somebody get a little

bit show keeps dinging.

Is that me?

God, it's not me, is it?

It might be me.

I don't think it's me.

I'm pretty sure airplane did it.

I think it's me.

Yeah,

it's totally a built-in show.

Like, you can't miss.

Ah, we have a good time.

You know what I mean?

Like, you should do it.

You know,

if you have the time.

All I'm doing is

you can find me at my school.

Or my podcast, Matt's Every Channel on YouTube.

I'm having fun with that.

So what?

What, guys?

And then, dude, I'm having, dude, I do movie reactions.

You know what I do with that?

I watch a movie and they...

They react in real time?

I'm just talking shit, watching a movie.

Oh, that's crazy.

It's fucking fun.

I play my VR, which is fucking fun.

And then I have people in.

Like, I had Marab and I, oh, I had Keith Jardine

the other day.

Keith Jardine,

man, let's plug his new movie.

What the fuck?

Kill me again.

Tell me again.

Tell me again.

Me and my wife went to Tribeca for the, and I saw Tate.

Tate's in it.

Your brother Tate Fletcher.

What a sweetheart Tate is.

He's the best.

He's such a nice guy.

She's the one who's a guy you want to love.

A big huggable person.

Big huggable bear.

And it's almost this movie, Kill Me Again, right?

He written and directed it, Keith Jardine.

And it's basically Groundhog Day, but a serial killer.

Oh, geez.

Oh, it's fucking, it's really good.

It was.

Listen,

I wouldn't even bring it up if I thought it was shit, to be honest.

It was a fun movie.

You can get it on Amazon PlayStation.

I want to see it.

I believe you.

Yeah, funny.

Is it on Amazon Prime now?

It's on Amazon Prime.

You got to buy it.

It came out August 8th.

And I'm proud of him.

And what a sweetheart that guy is.

Key Jardine.

Jardine's awesome.

He was in a great movie called Shot Caller.

Shot Caller.

That was a good movie.

Fuck, Jamie Landis.

Jamie Landis.

You know, he's driving drunk.

He's like a yuppie with another couple.

You know, something happens.

The guy gets killed in the back seat.

He goes to jail, kind of like, you know, white-collared.

But next thing you know, he's got a fucking show.

He's not a bitch.

And now he's a hardened motherfucker.

He's fucking shanking people.

John Bernathal's in there.

Shot call.

You like it.

Shot call is awesome.

Oh, I remember that.

Look at this.

Yeah.

This was a good fucking movie.

And Keith Jardine, Keith Jardine is in this.

Was Keith a bounty hunter?

No, he was in this call.

He was moving.

But was he an actual bounty hunter?

In real life?

He was in his life.

Shit.

Shit, man.

He didn't bring that up on the show.

Unless he did, I would have remembered that.

See if that's true.

He was, I went over his whole fucking story.

I hope I'm not a madman.

He was more of a grappler than he was even a striker.

Yeah, he was a bounty hunter.

It was a fucking bounty hunter.

Jardine worked as a personal trainer, firefighter, football coach, miner, and bounty hunter.

Miner and bounty hunter.

That's two of the hardest fucking human beings that have ever lived.

Connected.

It's so funny.

He's very soft-spoken, though.

He's very, like, nice.

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He's a great guy.

He looks like a fucking

awesome fights.

I asked him if he ever, because I said, you know, sometimes I'm at a UFC thing and they'll go, hey, Joe, can I have a picture?

I got the wrong ball guy.

I asked him, I asked him.

I asked him about Dana.

They think I'm Dana.

I asked him, I go, look, I go, you got to answer this for me because have you ever been mistaken mistaken for the techno-viking?

Do you know who that guy is?

He does look like him.

He does look like a king.

He looks exactly like Jamie.

Jamie had everything.

The techno-viking is a fucking guy.

Jamie pointed out that that might have been staged.

Really?

I don't know.

That looks like a bad thing.

Jamie's rubbed it for me, the techno-viking.

Jamie does not like the wool being pulled over his eyes, so he thinks that everything is staged.

I don't know.

Everybody's having

a reason why Keith Jardine came in.

He kicks the guy.

He looks just just like Keith Jardine.

Hey, it's already questionable that's being filmed.

And this guy's like center stage.

He's right there.

I mean, Jamie.

We do have a point there.

You got a point.

Give this guy a bottle of water.

Let's fucking go.

Let's go.

Yeah, so there he goes.

Here's Daniel.

If I was still clubbing, this is how I'd look.

Yeah, 100%.

Look at him.

He's all mollied up.

He's ready to go.

Oh, yeah.

Mollied.

He's probably got...

That guy's a boss.

He's probably got one of them cruising doses in his system.

He's got his minions behind him carrying his bottle.

Probably legit Viking jeans, too, man.

At least some of them.

Fucking looks like it.

Yeah.

Got his Thor's hammer around his neck.

Well, he looks like the 21st century version of it.

Yeah.

You know, what would

the original Vikings probably look like those strongmen dudes that you see coming out of Iceland?

I bet that's what showed up on the fuckers.

Can you try to imagine that?

A bunch of half-thor Bjornsens showed up.

Bro, who's that guy, that Viking dude that fights in Walter Wade?

He just fucked Chaos Williams.

Oh,

the one looks like a fucking caveman.

And he brought up.

I'm trying to think of it.

He got famous for being ugly.

Is it Andreas?

What is his name?

Yeah.

Yeah.

He looks just like Keith Jardine.

That's crazy.

It is Andreas.

Jamie, could you go to Chaos Williams Wikipedia and look up his MMA career?

Because Chaos is fucking good, man.

He is hard.

He's hard.

He's a dangerous guy.

He got worn the fuck out by this.

This is another one of those dudes.

What me and DC have been talking about this?

Like,

extreme physicality is a tool.

You know, and Coleman used to say this.

Yeah, Coleman used to say that strength is a skill.

And I was like, it kind of is a skill.

Andreas Gustafson.

Yeah, this guy's fucking terrifying.

He's a different dude.

And what you should see,

go to Andreas Gustafsson Workout.

Just Google Workout.

And this dude is a hardcore power lifter.

Like, when you see some of the shit he's doing, the amount of strength that this guy has, you're like, oh, Jesus.

Like, there's guys that are not that big, right?

Like, you know, see that janitor who pulls pranks on Instagram, who walks up to these big meatheads and lifts up the stuff.

He's not that big, though.

But these super strong dudes who practice powerlifting, you can be incredibly strong and not look like a bodybuilder.

And that's this guy.

He's a 185.

No, he's a 75.

No, excuse me.

170.

170.

But this motherfucker is so strong, man.

When he gets a hold of guys, he's just ragdolling people.

You know, Chaos has been very consistent in his career with good takedown defense.

He knows how to fight guys off, dangerous striker.

And he couldn't do shit to this guy.

It was like

one-sided ass ass whooping, like a real one-sided ass whooping that I didn't expect.

I was like, that is,

I thought it'd be a good fight, and it was just a mauling, man.

I thought chaos was going to clip him.

He can easily have the power that Chaos has.

He puts guys out with one shot, but this dude just tucks his chin down and wades bombs at you until he gets a grip on you.

And then just starts throwing you around.

He's 170?

He's well behind.

He's 170.

I'll tell you, he was the dark horse in that division?

Pretty impressive.

Sean Brady.

Oh, Sean Brady.

I don't even think he's the dark horse.

After that Leon Edwards fight, people aren't talking about him enough, though.

That's what I'm saying.

Bro, that Leon Edwards fight was crazy.

I'll be with them tomorrow.

Yeah,

dude, he's looking great, Sean Brady.

I love his fight.

He's a monster.

He's a monster.

It's so funny.

I had him on, and he's like, you know, people always talking about me being short for wealth to weight.

I'm 5'9.

It's not like I'm 5'6.

I'm like, ah!

Sean!

I'm a new fan.

Come on, man!

No, it's funny.

He's got a turtle muscle on his back.

Yeah, he's freaking out.

He's trying to get a crush-your-head muscle.

He's trying to get that Ian Gary fight.

I love his fight.

Is that what he's looking for right now?

Well, he'll fight anybody.

Well, you know, I would love to see him fight for the title.

I mean, I think that's a reasonable fight.

Like, Jack Della, like, who's next after, if Jack Della and Islam fight, which seems to be exactly what's going to happen, who's next after that?

Like, who's in number one position right now?

I think Ian Gary has to be up there.

It's either it's Sean or Bilal.

Well, right.

Ian Gary has one loss, right?

Yeah, because he just

got a lot of shit.

Shopcot, right?

Real close fight, but that one loss set him back a little bit.

So Bilal's number one, but, you know.

I bet they're going to want Bilal to fight somebody else.

They seem to have a heart on for Bilal.

I know.

You know what I I mean?

Nice looking guy.

The numbers don't mean that's the fight that gets made, right?

Not always.

I think Sean Brady's only the only problem, the only one loss he has is from Bilal, right?

Can you put that back up, Jamie, so I can see who else is in there?

No, man.

So it's like if you look at that division, you know, that division has gone through so many different changes.

So you've got Shavcott, who just had some kind of surgery that's undisclosed, right?

We don't know what injury he's recovered from, but he had like a a pretty significant injury, apparently.

And then you got Leon,

Kamaru.

Michael Morales is the real dark horse of that division.

Right.

He fucked Gilbert Burns up.

He fucked him up.

Yeah, that looked like Gilbert just didn't belong in the morning.

Sure did.

And that's weird to see, right?

And I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I know it's Gilbert.

A lot of miles, a lot of fights.

Yeah, I'd like to see Sean Brady get his shot.

That's what we're working on.

Dean Thomas,

he must be strong.

He's strong as fuck.

He's fucking as strong.

Yeah, Yeah, he wears all of us.

Dude, I like his positional.

His jiu-jitsu is very, very good for fighting.

I'll tell you, nowadays, I can't even watch some jiu-jitsu matches.

I watch, it's just fucking a lot of scissoring.

I'll tell you what, man, I was blown away by Kamaru versus Joaquin Buckley.

I was blown away.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

He looked good.

He looked good.

He looked like Kamaru was the champion.

He looked like a champion.

He looked like if Joaquin was challenging Kamaru for the title, that's the Kamaru that you would expect to see.

That's what he looked like.

Sure, good IQ.

But also

the ability to move, right?

Like, you didn't seem hampered by his knees, all the things that people talk about.

And that's what we thought it was going to see.

We thought it was just an old-ass man with them bad knees.

Didn't look bad at all.

And I think, you know, it's a lot of it is mental strength, of sure.

But it's also like he hasn't really taken a lot of damage other than the big high kick from Leon.

And, you know, if you go and you watch his fights,

he had a pretty good war with Colby before he won.

I mean, they exchanged a lot of blows.

You know, Gilbert dropped him.

Remember that?

But overall, not a lot of damage in his career.

Mostly, he's been the dominator.

So even though he's 37, I think,

he's still pretty fresh.

I thought it was good to see him go back to his wrestling roots a little bit.

A lot of times the wrestlers get good with their hands and all of a sudden they forget about what got him to the show and he just straight manhandled it.

Yeah, he did, but he also looked good on the feet, man.

he looked good everywhere in that.

He was disciplined and just good straight punches.

I saw everything look great.

Sean Brady looked great in his last fight with his hands, too.

100%.

And to do that to Leon, where you know Leon knows he can't lose again.

He, you know, lost the title, and he wants to come back and get it back.

And now all of a sudden, you got this turtle shell motherfucker in front of you.

Right.

Who just seems insanely strong.

How's Kobe still in these rankings?

I was thinking this kind of thing when I saw it.

Kind of crazy.

I wonder how much of that would be like because he's still super valuable.

He's got to be.

Yeah, because if you're a guy, why kick him out if you're a guy like Shovcot and they offer you Kobe, you know, in the main event of a fight night or something like that?

Yeah.

Like that's a great fight for both guys.

They'll probably make way more money.

So how does that work with Paramount now?

How does that work?

I don't know what I say.

Here's the question.

I thought you'd have the insight.

Yeah, man.

I don't talk to Dane about business.

Right.

You know?

Yeah.

I heard they're raising the.

I'm more of a, I'm almost a socialist when it comes to that shit.

I would be the worst.

They would fucking fire me for sure.

I would change the pay structure immediately.

You know.

But I wonder if you're

no pay-per-view.

Yeah, you want a mint?

That's the mind mints.

That's neurogum.

The neuromints.

I have the gum.

Ooh, a mind mint.

You want one?

I need it for my fucking brain.

Give me some of that.

You got one left in there.

Nice.

Take the last one.

Oh, thank you.

It looks dirty on the end of the camera.

You want some of that coffee?

No, I'm good.

I had a gummy.

Yeah, some of them gummies.

Yeah, I'm always giving myself mind mints and all that shit, and I'm still stupid.

What were we just talking about?

The pay structure.

Oh, yeah.

So they used to get the money from pay-per-view, right?

So if you're a guy like Conor McGregor that's going to get 2 million pay-per-views, you get a percentage of that, and you're set for life, right?

You get one big one like that, and woo!

So how does that work now?

So how does that work now?

How does it work now if it's for free?

There's no more pay-per-view.

He did say, I did hear him saying he's up in the fight night.

Yeah, the bonuses.

I did see that.

Yeah, the low-hanging fruit, that's easiest to answer.

Bonuses are obviously going up.

That's great.

That'll be big.

And forget about the tide rising with all the other fighters.

Just the number the bonuses bring to a fighter, it's millions of dollars.

Okay, well, that's great.

Okay, so then there's a bonus structure: like if that many people watch your thing, you get millions of dollars.

That's what he said.

That would be cool.

That sounds great.

That's loot.

Paramount's got a ton of loot,

and this is a great move for them good content too

people are gonna sign up for paramount plus if you get free ufcs forever and south park that's great and and south park right and south park and a bunch of other shows too this is a shitload of shows all of taylor sheridan's shows are all paramount shows yeah yeah actually but did anybody see this coming no one saw this coming just no one saw this coming

bro i'm tight with dana and i talked to him about we were talking about the problems with this and the problems with that but i need to ask him this weekend in chicago if it's true that the uh netflix people people wanted to stop the fights in the apex.

They didn't want any fights in the apex.

They wanted fights with like big crowds.

Yeah.

Like they want it to be big.

We want it to be big, big, big.

Like all the fights, big, big, big, yeah.

One of the best heavyweight fights of all time in terms of like the result was Francis Ngano versus Steve Mijoc with no crowd at all in the Apex, in the small ring.

Yeah.

It was like one of the best experiences.

Like you want to watch a guy in his prime who's fucking terrified, has figured it all out versus a guy guy who's got he's a legend he's a champion but he's got a lot of miles on him and there's a lot of wars and you see it with no one there you're hearing the huff and huff of each breath every time Francis hits him you you fucking feel that thud in your your your cells hey you don't got to sell me man I love watching fights at the apex oh I love it it's my favorite me too

I mean I really believe that the smaller cage just forces more action that's why the fights are so good too I was wondering if they would downsize the arena cage because of the, you know, the quality of the fights that was in the smaller cage.

The problem with that is, like, when you got a guy that is just very footwork-based and has developed his style, you're fucking large.

You're fucking him.

That's a good thing.

He's developed his style based on his ability to move around a full-size cage.

The Netflix thing is from a troll account, I think.

Oh, trolls did it?

I think so.

Oh, that's good.

Well, who knows why they decided to not do it, but man, whoever gets the UFC and does the no pay-per-view model, you just gained millions of subscribers instantaneously.

But I'm also like.

Do you think it'll be better for the casuals now that everybody can get?

100%.

100%.

Yeah, for sure.

Because everybody's going to get every pay-per-view now for free.

You're going to be scrolling through the channels.

Like, oh, let's see who's fighting.

I wonder how much money I'll save a year and then enough time.

You know, save me 80 a month or two.

You know, you tune it in, and you watch one Alex Pereira high-kick knockout.

You're like, oh, shit.

And then you're hooked.

And then the next time it's on, you're like, oh, the UFC's on.

And then, boom, you've got more fans.

I mean, it's the most exciting to this average spectator because you don't have to know anything.

You have to know shit to watch guys just go to war.

True.

I'm just surprised that ESPN didn't.

Step up.

I mean, at 7.7, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

At 7.7, they probably was like, nah, we're good.

Their app was shit anyway.

Well, Paramount's giving them a billion dollars a year for seven years.

I mean, that's wild.

That's a lot of loot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm excited about that

Aaron Pico.

Oh, yeah.

This whole card is excited.

This card is a very good card.

LeRon Murphy's no joke.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Who you got on this?

I could be leaning in Murphy's way.

I still am.

I still am.

I think that the UFC jitters is a real thing, man.

It is.

UFC jitters are a real thing, and Murphy is no joke.

He is super solid, super technical everywhere.

And if Aaron wants to be a boxer, this kid is really explosive on his feet, Murphy.

He's got the wrestling.

Murphy is,

but he don't use it enough, I don't believe.

Murphy, to me, is very much like Leon Edwards in his prime at 145.

For sure.

Very similar.

Very similar.

Strong everywhere, super technical.

Doesn't make any mistakes.

He's good, man.

I think Barboso.

I think I think he's a more aggressive version, too.

Leon could kind of cruise at times where I think Murphy's looking to finish it.

He's world championship potential.

He's certainly world championship potential.

He is coming on short notice, too.

Who is?

Murphy.

Yeah,

but he's a consummate professor.

Yeah, I was about to say he's the type of guy.

They said straight up he's ready.

They said three weeks might be too much time because he's ready all the time.

Well, this is the word out of that part, that camp, is that that guy's always training, which is what you want to see from a guy like that who's undefeated and also not getting the shine that a lot of other guys in that division are getting.

Props to him for taking the fight, too.

There's so many

good guys in that division.

You know, and Ilya was such a star that everybody with Volkanovsky in there, Yair, and everybody kind of got lost.

Diego.

Is it a five-rounder?

It's the co-main event.

It's a three-rounder.

That's a three-rounder.

Okay,

okay.

Yeah.

Oh, shit.

That could change.

It's not listed on the website as the co-main, but

I thought it was.

It's in the response.

It is co-main, but it's

still three rounds.

I read that today.

That's cool.

Well, that changes things.

One of my paperworks.

It's interesting because Pico is really good, man, but I would have liked to to see him against someone, you know, to establish a name for himself.

I thought he had a really good shot at beating Mozar.

Well, Mozar is crazy because the grappling for Mozar is just off the charts, but you're not dealing with the kind of kicks that you're dealing with with Murphy.

Yeah.

With Murphy, he's going to chop you up on the outside.

And if you're heavy on that front leg because you like boxing, like, ooh, a couple of those calf kicks change everything.

He's got a lot of spinning attacks on the shit.

Yeah, a lot of everything.

He's a problem.

He's a pretty dynamic person.

He's a problem.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought Al Joe beat him.

I thought Mozzar.

I said

Al Joe won that fight.

Only because the round ended with Mozar on top, but he was dominating that time.

I thought Al Joe won that fight as well.

I thought Aljo was fighting.

But it was close, but I thought Al Joe was close as well.

Mozvar is very, very, very good.

But that's a good fight for Pico because Pico's an elite grappler, and he's got real dangerous hands.

Real danger.

I thought Pico would have beat him.

It would have been a great fight for him.

It would have been an interesting fight for him.

This is a different fight.

Yeah.

This is a different fight, and I think a more dangerous fight in a lot of ways just because of his style.

The footwork.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's going to be tough for Pico.

He's tough, man.

Murphy's tough.

And again, he's one of those guys that is way better than his

public

persona.

People don't know about him.

People know about him.

There's so many guys in that division, man.

That division's crazy.

It's filled with killers.

Filled with killers.

This card's a good one.

Killers and stars, too.

And Jeffrey Lopez.

Just Neil.

Yeah.

John Silva.

John Silva.

Bro, that fight is going to be

close to that.

That's in Guadalajara.

Antonio.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was, but yeah, Sancho.

Yeah.

It's in Texas.

I might go to that.

That John Silva guy looks like a world champion.

That's another one.

He looks like a world fucking champion.

For sure.

He's a character, too.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

The barking and shit.

I like that.

But, bro, what he did to Bryce Mitchell was just he sent him down.

You made him down to the bench.

You made yourself lightheaded barking out at the wolf earlier.

Yeah, I got a little lightheaded guy.

He was like so relaxed and laughing.

And like, it's just, he just knew it was a matter of time and then submitted him and put him to sleep.

What's funny about that is Bryce Mitchell, who just went down in weight, looked great and

waited.

That's the right division for him.

That's the right division for him.

And I mean, he's got two choices: bulk way up and cut down, which is what most of these guys are doing.

Yeah.

Or go to 135, which you look great.

And that was just discipline for him.

Just got to live a better life.

Right, because he was never like real ripped at 45.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's eating cornbread on the farm and shit.

I don't know what he eats.

I'm sure he eats healthy.

I mean, he's a very good grappler.

I'll tell you that.

That guy's dangerous.

He's got good jobs.

Really, really good jiu-jitsu.

Really smart.

I've seen a lot of his tutorials online.

Very, very good stuff.

But, you know, John Silva is just a different thing, man.

There's guys that are just better everywhere.

Yeah.

And I thought he would have gave Ilya a problem.

I think so, too.

Yeah.

Like, if Ilya stayed down and he fought John Silva, I thought that was going to be a a problem for Ilya.

Yeah.

Both have one punch knockout power.

And John Silva is a very good kicker.

Yeah.

Very, it's different.

Like, Ilya does not throw a whole lot of kicks, and most of them are to the legs, right?

Ilya's not throwing any head kicks.

I'm sure he can.

I mean, he might do that just because we're talking shit right now.

But what Ilya does do is he touches you, and that's what Ferrazza Hobby calls the touch of death.

He's got that touch of death, man.

When he did that shit to Charles, I was like, I can't even believe I'm seeing this.

They folded him.

Folded him.

You look bad on the call.

I know.

So I made it the night before.

Remember we talked about that?

Like, yo, I think we were in the back talk.

We were like, yo, this dude is crazy, man.

No one should be doing this.

And he goes out there and does it.

It's like Arnold on Pump and Iron when he was.

Remember, he's telling Reef Ragno at breakfast.

Yeah.

I called my parents one already.

Oh, he's that's a big difference, though.

All he has to do is flex in his underwear.

Ilya had to go out there and knock out Charles Oliveira with one punch.

That was wild, man.

That dude has power.

He looked good on the floor, too.

He was a good one.

He's a good

guy.

Man, like I said, I saw footage of him and Murab wrestling.

I don't know where they were.

And

I didn't see anybody get caught in the video, but

Ilya just seemed to be one step ahead

in the wrestling exchanges, you know.

So he's at least on Murab's level, and Murab's a savage.

You know what he does?

It's really interesting.

He talked about it on the podcast.

He trains each sport individually, and then he puts them all together.

So he doesn't train MMA jiu-jitsu.

He trains jiu-jitsu with jiu-jitsu guys.

So he trains with elite jiu-jitsu guys, elite wrestlers.

He wrestles with elite wrestlers, boxes with elite boxers, does everything, and then puts it all together himself.

I mean, that is the way to do it.

But it is happening at the other end.

Yeah, I think so.

Interesting how some camps don't do that.

You go there and, you know, you have everybody's doing MMA.

He's like entering into jiu-jitsu spaces, training there, entering into boxing spaces.

I think it's because of that,

we all know that the boxing in boxing is at a higher level than the boxing in the UFC.

There's no way to be as good as David Benavidez if you're not boxing your whole fucking life and doing it every day and only doing that.

There's no way.

You're not going to be as good as that.

For sure.

And so we know that.

But if you can get more closer to that by training with them and only training with them, you get Aelia Taburia.

Yeah.

I mean, that's what you get.

That's what you get.

You get a guy who's boxing with boxers.

Yeah, I think you retain more details.

You know what I mean?

But, man, the discipline you have to have to do all those things with the same kind of intensity and then put it all together.

Well, that's a good idea.

Well, I mean, he's got a very...

And that's the benefit of not having this big camp doing it all.

Like, when you're just by yourself and everybody around you is helping you get to these places and do those things, it's a huge benefit.

Yeah.

And it's also like today we know what everybody else can do too.

Like if you're at a certain level like Illy is already, you know, your abilities, like, you don't necessarily have to be in a camp where there's a bunch of people, right?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, you don't need that.

Yeah, you know, which guys you have to bring in for sparing partners,

concentrate everything on you.

That way, you're not dealing with all these dudes in the locker room that maybe you got beef with, and Colby's talking shit about your girlfriend, and you're just trying to use the sauna.

Fuck off, Colby.

You know what I mean?

It's like there's something to be said for them really small camps.

Yeah, I think, you know, as we move forward and evolve, man, I think that's the direction it's going.

Like, all the big guys are going to be like, yeah, for sure.

Could you imagine Floyd Mayweather in class with everybody else?

Okay, you go, I go.

Like, that shit ain't happening

with a blue belt in Jiu-Jitsu class.

Yeah, exactly.

That's a good point.

Yeah, I mean, and most of those guys would take their camps outside, you know, like Muhammad Ali did it.

Tyson did it.

A lot of these guys, they would go somewhere,

go to Big Bear, De La Joya did it.

That was one of the people there.

Shoot, what about

Crawford and

Canelo?

What do you think of that?

Personally,

I'm a big Crawford fan, so I'm going to lean his way.

My only concern is just the size.

It didn't look like Terrence's power transferred in the last fight, so we're going to have to go up some more.

Part of the problem with that is Major Mob is really good.

He's really fucking good.

I mean, but I just think Crawford is - it's weird to say against Canelo, but I think he's the better boxer, and I think he's the guy who can make the better in-fight adjustments if Canelo doesn't kill him.

It's going to be interesting, I'll tell you that.

What do you think?

I don't know.

You know, it's a big jump to go from 54, which was a step up for 47, right?

Now it goes to 54, and now he's going to 68.

That's so much weight.

A lot of weight.

But Terrence is, I think he's the best switch hitter since Hagler.

They claim Hagler was my favorite.

I mean, they claim he's walking around like a buck 90 or something.

And you do know he's a wrestler.

Yep.

So he's got that mentality to him.

He also built up slowly.

Like he took his time.

Like it's been a long time training for this fight.

He came on this podcast more than a year ago, and he was talking about that.

That's the fight he wants.

Nice.

And that was a long time.

I remember.

So he's been trying to get that fight for a long time.

So knowing after he beat Errol Spence that he wasn't ever going to fight at that weight again and then going up and fighting Madrimov, and then knowing he's got like at least a year before he fights Alvarez, he got pretty big.

Yeah,

yeah, I like it.

Yeah, I'm leaning, but yeah, he's slick, man.

He's slick, he's super intelligent, like he sets traps, he does stuff.

And then, you know, there's a bunch of great breakdown videos of particularly the Errol Spence fight, like him setting traps.

It's just, he's a very high-level guy, but

Canelo is dangerous.

He broke Billy Joe Saunders's whole face.

Broke his whole face.

What he did to AmirCon, remember that show?

Oh, yeah.

Oh,

Lordy.

Bear lordy.

And never been down.

Never been dropped.

Yeah, Canelo's a stud.

Yeah, Terrence him, they run it out the Apex for a while.

I was training there.

Kids running around all on the mat.

I was like, get these badass kids out.

He was using the apex?

Yeah.

Why was he using the apex?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I'd see him at 30 people.

You know,

I run it with 30 people.

Yeah.

Half of them in suits.

How many times did he use it?

Oh, he was there for a while.

Really?

Yeah, they were training at the apex.

Interesting.

And this is getting ready for this fight?

Yeah, getting ready for this fight.

Well, that makes sense because the UFC is co-providing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dana is a part of it.

I saw it on their website.

I saw, like, you know, buy the Canelo Crawford fight.

And in my head, I was like, holy shit.

And then I was like, oh, yeah, Dana's involved with this.

Yeah.

That's something you never thought you'd see.

It's interesting.

It's because it's like, I wonder how that's going to affect combat sports.

Like, what's going to happen?

I mean, if the UFC model gets old, if they start making fights that people want, like, there's a lot of fights that people just want that just don't get.

Like, if David Benavidez and Canelo Alvarez were in the UFC, that would be the fight to make.

The UFC would have to figure out.

Hey, guys, hey, guys.

Like, no, no, no, no, no.

These are the guys

you guys have to fight.

Like, this is the fight.

Like, it can't be, I'm going to do something else.

I'm going to fight Jake Paul.

No, it's got to be, this is the fight.

They've got to change their culture, though, you know, because a loss in boxing means a lot more than a loss in MMA.

Like, the MMA fans are more accepting, especially if the fight was good, where in boxing, their whole role is to build you to 20 so they can get you title fights, and they're finding people for you along the way.

So, Canelo lost to Bival, and he lost to Floyd, and I don't think it really damaged him that much.

He's still a superstar.

Well, Floyd, he was at that time, Floyd was the superstar, so I think it probably, I mean, you know, Floyd jumped him at the right time.

And Bival, like, I mean, again, Canelo was doing his thing, moving up in weed and things of that sort.

As far as business model, I wonder if he's going to, with Danner involved, like, the problem with boxing is nobody gives a shit about the undercard.

They show up for the main card.

Is it possible for him to make it as exciting as a UFC where he's got the whole lineup where his fights you want to see?

Is there that many boxers out there that

can do that?

And they're trying to do that.

And that's one of the things that they're doing with those Riyadh series fights.

So, like, they're they're trying to create the league, and I think that's where it gets all into the legislation and all that stuff is changing the ILE Act and all that stuff.

So, I mean, it gets a little tricky, but I mean, the goal is to create a league where boxers can go, and then, like, losses won't mean as much.

That might change right there because nobody really gives a fuck that much with the mixed martial arts.

You got your fan favorites, you got guys you want to see, you got fights you want to make.

People give them shit about what they're doing.

Pereira got knocked out by Izzy, and he didn't lose anything.

Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.

Zero No, exactly.

And then he came back and won the light heavyweight title, and everybody's like, he's back.

Yeah,

he's shooting his arrows.

He's back.

Best walkout ever.

Best walkout ever.

No one's walkout is like his.

It's hysterical.

Callum Walsh and Fernando Vargas Jr.

That's a good fight.

Fernando Vargas Jr.

That's great.

Yeah, so these are two good fights.

There's two good fights underneath that as well.

But it's like

they're going to have to do this consistently and build these people up and have, you know, real good video series like the UFC does with Embedded and what they do with the countdown shows and just really get everybody excited about it.

I mean, is that a bad thing, though, for that?

I mean, because people are being critical of the idea of that, but to me, it sounds like a good thing

to get a bunch of high-end fights on one card.

Well, no, I'm just saying, like, the idea of like a league for boxers to where there's a promotion that will do stuff like that for them.

Because boxing's not doing it for them.

Well, it's all in how much money is getting distributed, right?

So the boxers that make a lot of money are the Canelos, the Floyds, the people that are superstars.

They make a lot of money.

But dudes that fight on undercards that you're watching on TV don't make shit.

And that's where everybody gets confused.

You watch UFC fights, and there's people that are undercards that are making way more money than the undercard people in a boxing range.

Way more money.

Tons.

Yeah, so it depends on who's on the card.

The majority of the money, I'm sure, is going to the top guys, whereas in the UFC, it's probably a more

spread through a lot of people.

They're the big middle class.

Yeah, but they don't have a high end that's the same.

Like Usik made $114 million, something like that.

How is that for his last fight with Dubois?

I think that's possible.

How many buys did you have?

And Dubois made like 70-something million.

They're just throwing that oil money.

I might even be selling Usik's number wrong.

I think it might have been like $130.

That's ridiculous.

Crazy money.

Crazy money for that Dubois fight.

So

that's the difference.

So that's only possible with the boxing model.

Right.

So

the guys who eat the most are going to eat the most

with the boxing model.

But

the people underneath that are not going to be doing new.

Do you think that fight made any money?

If I'm giving 200 million out between the two guys that are fighting the fight, they're not getting that many pay-per-views.

I don't know.

Where'd the money come from?

Bro, they got that black gold.

gold

yeah i was about to say that's crazy but it's how do you sustain that business model though if if that's how they're doing it right now like people scream about these guys making more money but a like the ufc would be out of business if they paid that money because they're just not bringing that money or get the saudis to pay everybody the same

right let's let's take advantage of that black gold that's right those dudes don't give a fuck turkey that money for them is like me ordering a pizza yeah like hey everybody guys want pizza i'll make a call i'll get a pizza delivered they don't give a fuck.

They're making insane amounts of money.

Like, we don't even know how much money they have because it's not public.

It's not like us.

Like, you know, like Bezos has to disclose his wealth, like, the richest man in the world.

Like, are you sure?

Yeah.

Well, you got to think this got to be so much if they're paying these guys $100 million.

To box.

To box.

To box.

Not even do nothing like world changing.

I think to box.

Why Canelo was holding out with Benavitez?

Because the number that I heard was $200 million.

He wanted $200 million

to fight Benavites.

God bless you.

It seems like they're kind of close to that.

Yeah.

Well, you know, if they're getting in the 130s for Isak, this is crazy.

That's so much money

to guarantee somebody.

If they do a new model,

they got it.

Like, look, the early prelims, shit.

I don't miss those.

You got Edson Barbosa on the early prelims

deep, man.

I mean, that's a fucking sick fight right there.

Yeah, two guys that want to bang it out.

I like that Tracar is close.

He's never had his quite his day.

Like, he gets to a certain level.

Yeah.

And then

what is his name?

Fucking.

Baruch.

Baruch.

Darouche.

Darush.

Banil Darush.

Yeah, Banil Darouge.

Yeah.

Give me another mint for the brain.

You know, Banil looked great in his last fight.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Banil looked real good.

He looked real good against Moikano, right?

Yeah.

He's a great fighter.

And he's getting a little bit older, too.

You He fools you with that gray hair.

I was about to say he looks like he's 50.

Yeah, because

he's 36.

Yeah, he's not that old, man.

He's a savage.

He did great in that Mocano fight.

Yeah, he's very good, man.

It's a great time for watching fights.

Who else is on the card this weekend?

I was definitely a good one.

That was Jeff Neil, Jeff Neil,

that's right.

Tim Elliott and

Kai Asico.

Yeah, bro.

Pratez.

Pratez and Jeff Neal.

That could be a banger.

And I think it all depends on which Jeff Neal shows up.

100%.

A 100%.

If the good ones show up, I think he knocks Pratez out.

I think Carlos Pratos takes us in the first round with a knockout.

Oh, and then it's Jared Cannonier and Michael Page.

That's the puzzle.

How about how that dude just goes from middleweight to welterweight, doesn't give a fuck?

That's a fan.

And no one even seems to talk about the fact that he's going up and down in weight.

I'm just a huge fan.

He's like 6'4 ⁇ .

I'm a huge fan.

Crazy.

It's crazy that

he can make welterweight, but also just.

He's a super fight, I think.

The only person who figured him out was ian gary you got to drag him to the ground

yeah man brian bowno and rousaboyo that's a good fight too that's a good fight that dude is gigantic he was welterweight for a while too but he

was yeah remember yeah yeah he lost to joachim yeah he was like a 6'5 welterweight but he hits hard oh yeah

dangerous dangerous dude what yeah so he went up to 185.

yeah he trains in silly i think he was out training with homs out a little bit though oh yeah yeah a little bit for this camp was this his second or or third middleweight?

Because he quit.

I think that last Buckley fight, he was like, enough of this Walter Wade bullshit.

Man, Brian's got killed.

Brian Battle is so.

I love when he fucking.

So that's his second fight.

I love his mom's middle.

Brian Battle fought in France.

Was it?

In Paris?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

He's like,

there's no way you think I'm going to lose a fist fight to a French dude.

Don't booing him.

There's no way the pusha

is going to lose your fight.

He's a lot of fun, man.

Brian Battle's a lot of fun

to a French dude.

Oh, dude.

Don't booing him.

Oh, it was fucking bad.

That's awesome.

Well, everybody's got to remember that's what Colby did when he beat Brazil.

Damian Maya.

He beat Damian Maya in Brazil.

He was less classy, though.

Way less classy.

But he was going full WWE heel.

It saved his life.

It saved his career for sure.

It made him millions.

It made him millions.

Because they were cutting him.

Yeah.

Nah.

It's still your soul feeling.

It's still to be said.

I agree.

But there's something to be said if you're purely business-minded.

Talk a lot of shit.

Yeah, about people's dead fathers, about their wives.

What a piece of shit.

No, his way.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, you talk like that.

You're looking over your shoulder.

He could be having a cup of tea in fucking London a year from now, 10 years from now.

If Leon Edwards runs into him, what do you think is going to happen?

Remember, you brought up my dead father, motherfucker?

I mean, dude, there's stuff, some stuff you could do for the entertainment, but then, hey, man,

we talked about repercussions, bro.

You want to talk about somebody's wife or kids or a dead parent?

Well, it's the same thing.

Even with Connor, in the beginning, he was a funny shit talker, and then it seemed later in the career, it was more almost like force, like

trying to be

darker.

It's no fun.

Well, it's also you're dealing with people that are dealing with the pressures of being at the top of one of the most dangerous occupations in the world.

And every day, when you go to bed, you know there's some dude out there that wants to kick you in the fucking dick.

He's out there right now, he's out there training, and that pressure sometimes wears on guys.

And over the course of time, they get neurological fatigue.

Like, you're just fatigued from just the strain.

You don't give a fuck no more.

You just start staying dumb.

You're just angry.

And then you got CTE.

And, you know, so there's a lot of things going on.

I mean, also, the pockets get fatter.

You're under that microscope even more.

And then there's

If you want to hang out, you got to take a route.

He gets crazy.

And he probably gets the good stuff.

I might try Connor's Coke.

I've never tried Coke, but if I was going to, I'd try it from Connor.

Man, it's not even like hiding it, man.

You got to love that part of him.

Yeah, he don't give a fuck.

He's a pure savage.

Yeah, he don't care about it.

He's a pure savage.

And that's also why he was so good at fighting, man.

In the middle of the Jose Aldo fight, I remember looking in his eyes and watching how calm, like genuinely calm he was.

I'm like, this guy just, and Dana said it best.

He's like, he eats pressure.

He just eats it.

He likes it.

He wants it to be chaos.

Does kind of guys say that, but they don't really believe it?

Yeah, I was at that fight.

Thank you, Joe.

And when he came in, like I tell this story to everybody about him, when he came in, did his thing, he ran around the cage, and then he went in the center of the cage, and he just fucking went like this.

yeah and the place erupted and i was like god a muddy how fucking was that when senada

did some i don't think she came

for that one

it was one of them she did the walkout song for yeah

she sang it live i remember bone chilling

right oh

you know what's a funny thing is when you see a clip of him saying that there's somebody's interviewing him and he goes about partying he goes partying is weakness for your soul or some shit like that and then there's a clip of him now

Fucking going.

At least he's the blade music.

Right?

That opening seated blade.

But no, he was, man, he was something else.

His Chad Mendez fight.

Oh, my God.

Like, how much shit he was talking to him, but you're still in it.

Like, he even, he got rocked.

He goes down.

He still comes up and still knocks him out.

Eddie Alvarez from

New York.

Oh, my God.

I mean, going up to challenge for a second world title and hitting the Matrix.

Yeah.

Full Matrix in a fight with a killer.

Like, Eddie's a fucking killer, man.

What he did to Jafael Dosanjos to win the title.

Yeah.

Wild performance.

Those fights that he had with Chandler that those guys took 10 years off each other's lives.

Sorry, my ass.

Sorry.

We got those toilets.

I love your toilets.

They're the best.

There it is.

Aries.

This was the fight before.

Yeah, this was the Chad Mendez fight.

UFC 189.

And the best part about this is how he walks out with this giant fucking leprechaun smile on his face.

Yeah, watch this.

Get to where he walks out, Jamie.

That dude just knew how to handle pressure.

Yep.

Yeah, he thrived in it.

Woo!

All right, Timmy.

That was a fight that he couldn't even grapple.

He couldn't even grapple in training camp.

He fucked his knee up.

And that's one of the reasons why Chad was able to take him down so easily.

He had a hard time training for that fight.

And he fucked Chad up.

Fucked Chad up.

Maybe we got to give him a chance.

He got up off the sofa for this one.

Oh, yeah, he did, too.

Took it almost seven days or so.

Yep.

Bro, Chad's second fight with Aldo, he got fucked.

I remember I reached out to him after the fight.

I'm like, damn, dude, because the first round after the bell, Aldo cracks him and rocks him.

Like, for the first time in the fight, he got rocked.

And clearly, after the bell, I'm like, damn, that's terrible.

Yeah.

After you got knocked out by the guy in the first fight, you come back in the second fight.

The first round's wildly entertaining.

And then you get hit with a shot after the bell.

Yeah.

I mean, it was still a great fight, though.

It was still a great fight, but it makes me wonder, like, if that shot doesn't land,

that's a real shot, man.

That was a different.

That was like a real, like, you're almost out shot.

Yeah.

And if you get hit with one of those in a fight, that significantly changes the fight.

Yeah.

Significantly changes it.

Give me some volume.

I mean, that was

way after the buzzer.

And that dropped him.

But Aldo was coming on strong.

Clearly.

Aldo was coming on strong.

Dude, Prime Aldo, I don't know who's better.

That guy is a fucking monster.

It's amazing how good he still is when he foughts a hobby, and I think he had his gloves down.

Yeah, I was like, damn, dude, he's still really fucking good and really fast.

And down a weight class instead of up as he got older.

Most guys don't go down weight class.

I know, but I mean, when you look at how muscular he is at 45, and then you think about like what Max did to him, that muscle comes with a price, you know, and when Max put that pace on him, like Max was the first guy to really expose him and put that pace on him.

Jose was all fast Twitch.

you know what I mean remember when he double kneed fucking cub swine

how about this Murab didn't take him down I know

couldn't take him down how crazy is that he does have great takedown dude 38 years into his career yeah right like and Murab couldn't take that guy down couldn't take him down bro he had his balance is crazy he took what he took down uh what's his name Pyotr Jan like 10 times yeah couldn't take down couldn't take Aldo down yeah that's wild yeah and Aldo's jiu-jitsu was good.

Yeah, very good.

Here's that double knee.

Like, wow.

Wow, what the fuck, man?

And Cubb was a stud, too.

Oh, bro, he was a monster.

Aldo was a monster.

Look, he's trying to hit him even after the referees pulled him off.

WEC was a double knee to the dome.

He had some talent.

Oh, yeah, for sure, man.

And this is when Aldo was in his book.

He was different.

Leg kicks?

Remember, he murdered Uriah?

Uriah's leg kicks.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, Uriah, like, that leg was fucked up, man.

Yeah, he told me two weeks weeks he was.

He was photos of our nuts.

Two weeks ago, he was on crutches, he said.

Yeah, man.

He was in his prime.

He was something really special.

But, you know, it's like, how long can you keep that up?

He's kept it up more than anybody, like, really, because he's still at

a world-class caliber at Bantamweight.

I mean, dude, for 10 years, nobody touched him.

That's a long time to reign, especially in a weight division like that where the talent just keeps coming.

He just kind of gassed out in that last round because he was going for the finish.

He emptied out and Zahabi survived.

Yeah, I mean, you could make an argument for Aldo in that.

That was a close fight.

I didn't think he got stomped out or nothing.

But, I mean, how good was he to himself to know that he's retiring probably because he feels like he can't do it at the level he knows he can.

And he's still doing it at a high level.

You know what I'm saying?

But in his head, he's like, I'm not doing it at the level I want to be able to do it, so I'm just going to retire.

Crazy.

Crazy.

Yeah.

That division, man.

Between 35 and 45, it's interesting that 25 gets so little love like Pantosha is only 10 pounds lighter.

I know I know he's love him.

He's a straight-up killer.

Yeah, he's a straight-up killer It is crazy though like nobody cared about mighty mouse and that guy was maybe the top martial artist in the league.

Oh that takedown to armlock that tall

I don't know if you'll ever see something like that it's crazy that it's only 10 pounds.

I know how do you know

you don't even you can't tell the difference like how do you yeah why how can you tell the difference people get real weird They get real weird.

They just have this bias towards.

Well, I mean, it was like our shit.

Like, we were lightweights, and they cut our division after that little tournament.

Yeah.

And who thought that the lightweights would be the best division in New York?

I was going away, too.

They asked me to go back up to welterweight.

I didn't just go, all right.

Let me fucking.

I was making weight.

I was making guys, you know?

Well, the UFC just had a weird position.

I mean,

before it really took off, they were just trying to figure out, like, we got to figure out a way to make money doing this thing.

What do people not want to see?

And if someone has this idea, oh, the problem is the lighter weight divisions.

Yeah, yeah.

Those are the most exciting.

They are.

Look at him now.

Like, the

craziest fights we've seen.

35, 45, 55.

Pantoshi is a great champ, man.

How many?

He defended it, what, three, four times?

What do you do?

Well, he's so good, too.

And he massacres everybody.

I know.

Great jiu-jitsu.

He's not really heavy and striking.

Yeah.

Takes torture well, too.

Yeah,

he's an animal.

He made Kai Car France look bad.

And the first fight was good.

I know.

They had a good fight like nine years ago or eight years ago, what it was, but the difference between how much better Pantosha got was right away was obvious.

He's another guy.

He was doing Uber Eats when he was here, fighting in the UFC, and he's still fucking working.

He's a real humble guy.

He's like a real,

just the sweetheart of a guy.

Good for him.

Just a guy you want to see do well.

Exactly.

But that's why I wish the guy got more love.

It's like, I don't understand.

If he was 145, he'd be a superstar.

Right?

You know?

Just the idea of being a flyweight just has people spooked out to root for him.

I know.

I don't get it.

Yeah.

It's weird.

It's weird, but it's always been that way.

Even Cejudo, you know, when he was a champ, and, you know, when Mighty Mouse was a champ, like, kind of with everybody.

Yeah.

Figueredo didn't get the love that he deserved.

Brandon Roy Val.

Marab's getting the love.

He's getting a lot of love.

Definitely.

But it's always like, it's always like, yeah, but they're flyweights.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, but flyweights are worst division.

No, they're not.

Like, what?

I wonder what the biggest flyweight pay-per-view of all time was.

Like, how many people.

You know what I mean?

It would have to be.

It's got to be pretty low.

It would have to be a Mighty Mouse one, probably, wouldn't you think?

I saw him talk.

I don't know.

Maybe there's more pay-per-view buys these days.

Yeah, I would think that it may have been when Pantosia did it in Brazil, because they probably had a lot of Brazilians on the road.

Right, Pantosia Ursek.

That was a good fight, too.

But I bet it's like

not high.

Yeah, it's pretty low.

Yeah.

Shit, man.

I enjoy it.

I enjoy all the fucking weekly.

It's all I watch, man.

Even though I can't even watch the boxing.

I wish I could.

I don't know.

It's just so

not nearly as entertaining as the mixed martial arts.

And the fact that there's one on like every week, I just.

I need it to be a good one.

Like

two good boxers.

I'll tune in.

I'm a boxing fan, too.

But I mean, if I have a choice, I'm going to watch it.

Did you watch Usik and Dubois?

I did.

Usik's like Usuk is like Lemonchenko plus 100 pounds.

He's got great footwork.

He's a great technical boxer.

Now he's starting to put people out, too.

Before he was just out boxing people.

Especially Dubois, when you see what he did to AJ in last fight.

What is he going to do?

He's beat everybody twice in the heavyweight division.

Who do they have left for him?

Well, Tyson Fury was talking about coming back, but then it looks like he changed his mind.

He decided.

Yeah, it's like Tyson's speaking.

It's a young man in sport.

He's not wrong.

He's not that old.

But if anybody could have beaten him, it would have been Tyson Fury in his prime.

Because particularly, you know, in

moments in the first fight, especially in the early rounds before he got dropped in the ninth, he was doing really well.

He was lighting him up.

More damage than you've ever seen Usik take in a fight, ever.

And more clean shots that were landing.

I mean, look, Tyson was a fantastic boxer, too.

Don't let the dad bod fool you.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, he was late on his feet, you know, very technical.

I mean, he obviously has a size and reach advantage over Usik, and when he gets that jab popping, he's tough to beat.

Yeah, it's not just a jab.

He's got a slick uppercut.

He's got a crisp right.

He's got a great head movement.

His defense is slick.

He's an all-time great boxer.

All-time great.

Is Francis still boxing, or is he doing MMO?

Yeah, he's going to do both.

Is he going to do it again?

Yeah.

They were talking about setting up a Francis Deontay Wilder fight.

That would be interesting.

They need to make that happen.

But boxing, you always get sucked in.

It's like there's these stories.

Like, are are they doing that?

Are they doing that?

And then they don't do it.

Yeah.

Are they doing it?

Are they doing it?

Right.

And then they don't do it.

I mean, that's one of the problems with the sport.

Well, this is the Benavidez-Canelo situation.

Because if you ask the average,

if you want a hardcore boxing fan's dream fight, it's not necessarily Canelo and Crawford, which is a great fight.

But you got this thing where Crawford's jumping up all this weight.

You're like, man, I don't know.

But the great fight is Canelo Benavidez.

Everybody knows it.

Right.

Everybody knows it.

That's the fight.

Can't make it happen, though.

It's been going on forever.

Pacquiao should have left Floyd alone.

That's what I was going to say.

Like, it happens all the time.

You can't never make the big fights happen.

That has to happen.

That fight has to happen.

If boxing is to be complete, if the circle of power is to be folded over onto whatever, if

the rocks you get for your ring, whatever Thanos gets,

the infinity stones.

Oh, sorry, guys.

Now I'm back in the conversation.

He had the gauntlet.

All right.

That's the only way it happens.

Like, you have to have that fight.

That's the fight.

And if they fuck that up, and if, like, he goes up and now Benavidez is fighting light heavyweight more.

You know, it's like, I don't think it happens.

In fact, I don't think it's terrible.

I don't think it happens, or it's going to be too late.

Canelo's popular

back surgery.

Did he?

No.

Shit.

Yeah.

He had it on his Instagram.

He said his back's been fucking with him for 10 years and he finally got surgery.

Like,

well, that might or might not help.

Back surgery is always like, all right.

50-50.

Shit, I had had one, and I knock on wood, it gave me my life back.

I had sciatica fucking horribly.

Would you get which surgery?

Well, they did a laminectomy from like L2 all the way through S1.

Oh, so all of them were bulging?

Like,

well, I had stenosis is what was happening, so the bones were growing and pushing on the nerves.

I mean, I would get up in the morning and be fucking holding my wall to get to the bathroom.

And still rolling, son of a bitch.

Still rolling.

That's how dumb she gets some guys out.

You feel a bitch.

It's like you said in the beginning.

40 years old.

Always at these angles.

Always hurt.

The back shit's the worst, man.

I think it's an epidural shot.

Yeah, I remember.

When I blew my head.

I was trying GSP first.

When you fought GSP the second time.

Your back was fired.

It was back in January, New Year's Eve.

I could hardly walk.

And then I got the Dr.

Yasha won my black belts.

I went to the city, got an epidural shot, and that fucking started to bring me back.

Yeah.

But I literally couldn't walk, dude.

When I would go to brush my teeth, I couldn't posture myself back up.

It was fucking bad.

It is the worst thing.

Think about that and then knowing that you have a cage fight coming up against a guy who's the best wrestler in the division.

That's what I said.

How do you fight that motherfucker with a bad back?

Yeah, well, shit, you saw the rematch.

The first one's way better.

Not at all.

Ah, shit.

But yeah.

There's stuff that you can do for your back, but man, it takes a long-ass time to heal back injuries naturally.

What's going on with yours, you were saying?

Mine's a lot better now, man.

And one of the things that I made sure I did this year is I do

twice a week, I do lower back exercises, like core exercises with twists and lifting, like do back extensions with weights.

That changed everything.

Yeah, I do hypers and the reverse hyper machine for my lower back.

I do that too.

Yeah.

It used to bother me when I'd play pool.

I'd be done.

I'd be like, real stiff, and that completely went away.

Good.

And really, what it all fucked up was from from archery because, you know, you pull one way all the time, and this side started getting this.

It's almost like a tendinitis.

No, no, no.

I just ignored it and beat it into the ground.

And even though I was in pain, I still kept shooting while I was in pain.

So I fucked it up for months.

Now I draw, I have a cable pulley system at my gym.

So I hold a 10-pound weight and then I draw 80 pounds like I'm pulling a bow.

And I pretend I'm shooting a bow.

So I do that for as many reps as I shoot arrows.

I do that with my left side.

So

I'm more balanced now.

And then the lower back exercises.

But fuck, it takes forever to not, if you don't, if you want to really heal something and really get it better and not get surgery, it takes forever.

Let me ask you: with the bow hunting, what do you got against the gun?

What makes you want to,

is it more primitive?

Is it more primal?

It's definitely harder.

It's more that for sure.

It's more difficult for sure, and it requires more concentration, and

it's much easier to fuck up, and that's why I like it.

It's harder, but it's more satisfying

to the animals, too.

You can't compare.

I've shot a lot of animals with a rifle hunting, and it's great.

It's very effective.

It's real smart.

It's a good way to hunt.

If you're hunting for food, like if I had to provide food for my family, I would 100% be hunting with a rifle.

100%.

No questions asked if that's what I'm doing.

But what I'm doing is I'm trying to get meat with my hobby.

So my hobby is archery, and it's like calling it a hobby is like a little disrespectful.

It's almost, it sounds very corny, but it's almost like a spiritual journey.

Like you're going to the woods and you're sneaking up.

I'm doing it with a guide with who's a good friend of mine and we go together and

we're sneaking up on these animals that are trying to avoid mountain lions and bears and you're getting within archery range of them and just launching a perfect arrow.

And that's how you're getting your food.

So every time you eat your food, it's the best food in the world, but you're also thinking how you got it.

Like you worked hard for a whole year to prepare for it.

You train for it.

I do cardio for it.

I do weighted, I carry a weighted backpack.

I put this fucking 45-pound plate on my back and I walk around for hours.

I do a bunch of shit with

these different exercises just for hunting training.

Well,

how close is archery range?

Like how close you had to get to them?

I'm comfortable

anything inside 70 yards if I don't think the animal's like moving a lot.

So, if an animal's moving a lot, like in the rut, sometimes they're fighting other males, so they'll run at each other and they'll come back.

And like, then you can't take a shot like that because they're not going to be there when you shoot the, they're moving so fast.

It's not ethical.

With a rifle, you could.

With a rifle, you just need them to stop for a second,

just stop for a second, ba-boom, and you got him.

Did you ever shoot him but miss the kill shot?

You got to go over to it and stand

cut in his throat.

No.

What are you doing?

I'm not going to do that.

I mean, it's a horrible thing to think of.

You hit him with a second arrow.

Even if you hit him perfectly, and I've hit

an elk perfectly before,

if they don't go down, they're standing there.

As long as they're standing, you hit them with another arrow.

And that usually takes them out.

Yeah.

You want to have his track.

You got one, not enough.

Now you've got to...

track him down.

Bro, they're so tough.

You'll track them and you're like, this is so much blood.

There's no way this thing's not going to be dead five feet from here.

And then you'll find them 800 yards away dead.

It's crazy.

They're so tough because you're dealing with an animal that's like every day is mountain lion season.

Every day there's mountain lions just sneaking up on them everywhere.

If they make it to be seven, eight years old, which is when I start hunting them, like these motherfuckers.

They're gangsters.

They're gangsters.

They're wives.

Some of them have one eye because they get their eye poked out by another dude because they get those antlers and jab in each other's faces.

My favorite meat is the

venison.

Oh, my God.

Have you had elk meat?

Have you had any?

I don't think so.

No.

God,

I wish you lived here.

I'd give you some.

My father, though, he gave

me frozen stare.

I have frozen elk out there right now.

If I had a freezer box, I could give you some.

Shit, man.

I mean,

because they say that the venison, they say it's gamey or something.

Dude, not the way.

He makes it like a bad thing.

Yeah, if you know how to make it.

you're in taking proper care of it once you shoot it.

If you let the animal lay out in the heat, or if the meat gets dirty, or if you accidentally cut the glands, they have these tarsal glands on their legs.

That's a nasty smell that they're putting out so that the ladies hear it, and the ladies smell it rather, and the other men know that they're there.

If that stuff gets on your meat, you're fucked.

Like, there's a lot of it is like bad preparation, bad care.

But if you take care of venison and do it well, it's the best meat.

Oh, delicious.

So delicious, man.

I love that shit.

I don't have it often, but when I do, it's my favorite, man.

The UFCPI should be serving that shit.

I bet they serve like Buffalo, though, which is also horse.

How's horse meat?

Have you tried that?

I did try it.

How is it?

Pecos.

It was lovely.

Yeah, remember that?

I tried it in Montreal.

In Montreal, there's a place called Joe Beef.

Shout out to Joe Beef.

One of my favorite restaurants in the world.

It's an incredible restaurant.

I went to it.

It's fucking great.

What does it make you feel Palo House?

It's tasty?

Oh, well, I didn't ask for it.

Let me just say that.

They served it to us.

The guys who run it are awesome.

We know them.

I met them through Bourdain, and so they just served us whatever they wanted to serve us.

And one of the things they gave us was, it was like a loin of a horse.

And I was like, really?

Like, this is like tenderloin, like horse tenderloin?

And it was really good.

It tasted like game meat.

I actually went to Joe Beef with Vitor Belfort and Sean Brady.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, it was a good restaurant.

That's cool.

That's cool.

Fogo the chow last night.

Just fucking wearing it out.

Yeah, man, that's funny.

With the dark lord, John Danaher.

Yeah, how's he doing?

He's doing good.

He's good.

He wasn't in a rash guard.

He was wearing a jerk.

Yeah, he had a jersey on, yeah.

What?

But he walked up.

I was like, what the hell?

And he's walking very nice.

It's right.

His hips are healing up.

He's just fucked up for a while.

So, did he get both of his hips replaced now?

Yeah.

Yeah, he's teaching over at Canada's place.

He's three months out of his second hip surgery.

It makes you wonder, like a guy who's that smart and that driven towards jiu-jitsu, like, what would happen if he didn't have a crippled body?

Oh, I know.

You know what I mean?

Well, even with a crippled body when he was rolling.

Yeah, he used to fuck people up.

I know.

Isn't that crazy?

Like, blown apart knee, you know, reconstructed to the point where it doesn't even, like, fully extend, right?

Has to get...

What has he got and replaced so far?

I mean, I know both hips.

Did he get a knee too?

He might have got his knee.

Because he said, the the hip damaged his knee so bad that he thought he's going to have to get the knee done too.

Oh, he's walking great, though.

I was so happy.

Yeah, he looked good.

I'm like, man.

Look good.

It's always good to see him.

Yeah,

that's my thing now.

I get to see him when I come out.

Your knee doesn't fuck with you, right?

My left knee?

No, but I fucking...

The one thing that really is, if I could just,

it just haunts me is because I fucked up where you're supposed to step down with your bad leg when you get the surgery.

I went up.

I went to put up my curtain.

I stepped down.

And if you see, I'll just show you here.

See, this missing here?

Yeah.

Ooh,

damn.

So I bicep.

I can't.

Yeah, you tore it.

You tore my curtain.

Oh, man.

And it's so fucking when I, sometimes I'll walk, it'll dip.

Like I, you know, so it sucks.

I went to go butterfly sweep.

I felt it get real tight.

So I got the stem cells shot right in that bitch.

That's the only one that hurt because they said they had no way to.

But they can't reattach it?

I would have to done that earlier.

I didn't even know I did it until I went back to PT the next day.

And I was dealing, I didn't want to go through another fucking surgery.

I just got a new knee.

So, man, the knee itself, dude, titanium.

Adenamium, whatever the Wolverine's calling it.

I brained it off.

The knee's not bothering me at all.

But I could block a kick with that.

I feel great with it.

And I'm rolling.

I'm flexible.

But

I fucked up that

it's a little weak.

It's a little compromised.

Is there anything you can do with weights?

I'm doing squats.

I'm doing my regular squats.

I have to do more with the weights.

I'm thinking of like single-leg lunges, you know, like with that leg.

What do they call them?

Bulgarians?

Squats?

I'll hold like a 100-pound kettlebell and do them one bunch.

Yeah, I gotta do it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's noticeably weaker, so I just gotta do something with that.

But besides that, the knee itself, I just wish I didn't do that because I hear about bis being running still.

If I run this fuck, I could dip with this knee.

That is my ass.

The running thing is weird because it's like how much time do you have on those knees?

Exactly.

Like, you kind of have to be.

And you got to get them fixed again.

But, I mean, can they do that?

Can they chop the fucking thing off and put a new one in and unscrew it?

I'm not looking for now.

That is too much.

I'm holding off of my right one for as long as I can.

Is the right one still fucked?

My right one, I just got shot.

some stem cells in there but yeah if i'm walking too much i'll feel that bitch yeah i mean they're both just severely they're not my left now it's new but then it's just fucking arthritis man fucking it's not like an old man with the arthritis oh my arthritis but it's jiu-jitsu yeah i mean i know also to get to 55 i used to just fucking have to run in the morning for 45 minutes.

Low intensity, but just still, I was on a treadmill, just fucking on Enduro Rush.

Fucking just running.

So I must have wore that shit down, man.

I'm sure.

Well, that's what Bisping says.

He's always running.

Yeah, you know.

He ran a lot on the streets, too, which I'm sure is a lot of extra power.

That's no good.

I can't do that.

Yeah, he's still doing it, though.

He's fucking longer.

He's out of his run.

Especially.

I think he's doing better now, luckily, because for a long time, his neck was fucking with him so bad he could barely get out of bed.

Jesus.

His body.

Yeah, I remember he had surgery, and like a week later, he was right back

on the call.

Right back comment.

I was like, you got to be careful with your neck, too.

Like, that's where the spinal cord is.

I thought your spinal cord went all the way through your back until I had my back surgery, you know, but it doesn't.

It comes down like maybe halfway.

And so that's why when you have your neck impingements, it cause a lot of those fucking problems.

That's why that Ernesto Hoost neck kick is so effective.

You know, when Hoost is

Hoost kicked so many people in the neck, just wow.

He was a separate.

He was always one of my favorite guys to watch.

Mr.

Perfect.

Yeah.

Yeah, one of the most beautiful kickboxers of all time.

Like, just the combinations he would throw.

Pop, pop, left hook to the body, right low kick.

Wow.

And they ruined him with Bob Sapp.

I know, not crazy.

Bob Sapphire.

Beat him lying on him.

Beat him twice.

Two times.

See, that'll always baffle me how Bob Sapp beat that guy.

Well, you know what it is?

Like, this is one of the reasons why Ernesto wasn't the best candidate for kickboxing to enter into MMA because he was like smooth and super technical and very fast, but not explosive, right?

Not like,

like, just launch himself.

But Crokop was.

Yeah.

When Crocop fought Bob Sapp, Crocop fucked Bob Sapp up because Crokop would just blast on you.

Yeah.

Like full power, full blast on you.

It's like, it was a different kind of thing that he would do.

And that's why he was so effective in MMA.

Like when he went over to MMA, like all of a sudden he's this fast, powerful striker.

It's not like a boxer who's going to move around a little bit and pick you apart for a few rounds.

Styles matter.

Matters a lot.

Styles matter.

I wish he would have been in the UFC in his prime.

He got over a little late.

He had pretty good takedown defense, too.

He was able to kept good range.

He would frame guys off and everything.

Yeah, he was, I mean, and we all know Bett is, what was it?

Left kick cemetery.

What was it right?

Right-kick hospital, left kick cemetery.

Bro.

He fought Heath Herring.

And there's a shot of him throwing this low kick or this body kick deep into Heath Herring's cage.

Like his whole rib cage is just collapsed, and you just see Krokop's shin, like, basically touching his liver.

It's insane.

It's so deep that you just, it's one of the most painful pictures you see from an MMA fighter.

Heath Herring, remember that dude kissed him before?

He came.

He came with one shot.

Yeah, in pride.

Listen, man, you get what you're doing.

It's the one in the upper left-hand side.

The second one, upper, that one right there.

Yeah.

Yeah, that one.

Look at that.

Bro, concave.

Bro.

Got to be some broken.

And when you know how powerful Cro Cop's kicks are, and then you think about eating that on the ribs like that.

Oh, my God.

That is.

He's like it's folding around his leg.

Yeah.

I mean, that's another one that he landed on.

That's Josh.

That's Josh Barnett.

Bro, the power that that dude had.

And how about the one that he landed on Vanderlane?

When he flatlined Vanderlane?

Dude, he had some wheels on him.

His legs were big.

Ooh, and power.

It's just the difference was like when he was throwing kicks at you, it was 100% gas.

He was not feeling you out.

He was trying to let you know, motherfucker, there's some darkness behind this shit.

You will see darkness, and then you have a flashlight in your face.

And they'll be like, you okay?

Stay put, stay put.

You're going to be okay.

But then Gonzaga did that to him.

Oh, remember?

I was there for that.

And then he rolled over his ankle.

Remember that, man?

His ankle was popping.

And that will forever be known as the Cro Cops.

Whenever you see that happen, you always think back to when it happened.

That was in London.

We were there for that.

Yeah.

That's right after I got the belt.

And I remember me, you and Eddie went out and got some pasta.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's so funny.

That was crazy.

Gonzaga.

People forgot about Gonzaga, you know?

That was a big win, man.

Holy shit.

He's a big fucking dude.

Big natural dude.

The heavyweight division right now is so shallow in the DMC.

It's so shallow.

It's like without...

you know, because I think they're all playing football and basketball, you know.

100%.

Yeah.

What about Johnny?

What's Johnny?

I hate to say Walter Walker.

Walter Walker.

What about him taking leg locks at everybody?

Yeah, I know.

Like three in a row.

Yeah.

Walter Walker.

Looks good.

Yeah, I mean, we need more of that.

We need someone to, like, if Aspinall's going to have, he's got Cyril Gone, right?

So that's an interesting fight.

And then who?

There's no one after that.

Jack Lewis, just on name.

Yeah.

Derek would be fun.

fun.

By the way, Cyril Gahn didn't have a bad movie.

Not to keep bringing up movies, but I love movies.

But he had a fucking KO with Cyril Gahn.

What is it?

It's a movie on Netflix.

He has his own movie.

It's about Auction Star.

He's the star of the movie.

He's the star of it.

And you might be thinking, all right, how's his acting?

It wasn't bad.

Really?

Fucking, he's the new action Jackson.

I'm only fucking around.

I do remember that.

Is it in English?

In English letters?

It's dubbed in English.

But it's a a French.

So, how do you know if he's any good?

Well, I mean, I watched it.

What do you mean?

Yeah, but I'm saying it's like it's not even his voice.

Well, you could see him.

You say his acting is really good, but it's another dude's voice.

That's kind of crazy.

Well, I mean, it's.

Sir, God's just not going to be able to do it.

You don't got to be a son of a man.

It's called KO.

It's called KO, but it's not there.

There he is.

Hey, listen.

You know,

it's not the best sign when a fighter starts starring in movies.

Yeah, you're right.

I'm not saying that it's not.

Is this new?

Is this pretty new?

Yeah.

Everybody watch it for him and his chances against Tom Espino.

Yeah, like that's what I'm saying.

You better be training.

Yeah.

If there's a world that can soften you, it's the world of acting.

It's a weird thing, man.

I mean, acting and music kills fighters.

There's also a thing, like, once you become a movie star, like,

I don't know, it just doesn't seem to go well.

Like, remember Tommy Morrison when he fought Ray Mercer?

Oh, yeah.

Right after rocking oh that was a hard knockout

he beat him down mercer had him tangled in the roads punching him jesus blasting away boom didn't ray mercer knock out tim sylvier also

he did yeah one punch that was great one punch ray mercer man and he did that he was like 46.

remember when he uh who the hell did he fight in uh it was like k1 or pride and they kicked him and he just left the ring uh

it was ray Mercer.

Somebody threw a head kick.

He looked at him like he's speaking a foreign language, and he fucking just left.

Really?

Ray Mercedes?

Are you sure that was Mercer?

I'm pretty sure.

Can we find that?

I don't know.

I mean,

I think one of the most interesting boxers that entered into MMA or entered into kickboxing was when Masato fought

cool Vince

Vince Phillips.

Vince Phillips.

Vince Phillips.

Vince Phillips did all right.

What are you talking about?

He couldn't deal with them leg kicks.

though.

Yeah,

he chopped apart.

Chopped apart.

That's what's interesting when you watch a boxer who goes over there and is like, oh, shit.

Like, what is this?

They never got kicked in the leg before.

Remember that Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson?

That's right.

Same thing.

Shannon was on the podcast.

He was telling me about it.

Oh, yeah.

He's like, Champ, every time he hit me, champ.

I was like, oh, don't let him kick me again.

I got to click.

How did that go?

He knocked him out.

Shannon knocked him out because Shannon hit him with a jab to the body.

So, uh-oh, here's

Tim Sorry.

Mercer and Sylvia.

So, what happened was Tim was not supposed to kick.

They only had this authorized as a fight, but since it was like

an MMA fight,

there was supposed to be a boxing match.

One shot.

So what it was is supposed to be a boxing match.

They couldn't get authorized for it to be a boxing match because Tim Sylvia did not have a boxing record.

And so you can't fight a former world champion.

You've had no boxing record.

But you could fight him in MMA.

It's a world champion versus a world champion.

He knows that boxing is a sport that's in MMA.

You could do that.

And so they made an agreement, okay, don't kick me, and I'll fight you in the cage.

And then Tim opens up with an inside low kick.

And that's why Ray Mercer, you see, like, he drops his hands.

Yeah, like, what are you doing here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That makes a lot of sense.

Because the original fight they were contracted for was a boxing match.

Right.

And Tim's like, once I got you in here, I'm going to kick your fucking legs.

Yeah.

And then Ray gets a kick.

That's kind of a cheap shot, though.

If you make an agreement about that, that's a cheap shot.

Jamie, play it again.

Because when you see when Ray gets that inside low kick, he drops his hands.

He's got this look in his face.

What are you doing?

What the fuck is this?

So, watch, he steps out, watch this, throws the kick.

Look at his kids.

Bro,

he's like, bro, what is that?

Oh, I can't believe it.

I love you.

Good.

Tim Burr.

Tim Burr.

Out cold.

Yeah.

Ray Mercer.

Good for him.

I mean,

Ray Mercer could fucking punch, son.

Into the shot, too.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

About to get full mouth right there.

It's kind of amazing how few boxers have actually entered into MMA.

Not, you know, this was like you got tricked into this one, but it's only like James Tony.

You would think more would, too, right?

Yeah.

Well,

I guess not if you see those Usik paychecks.

Right.

Yeah, but how many guys get there?

Like, think of, you know,

relatively speaking.

Spence and Crawford made.

That was like a big fight.

I mean, they probably still made a lot, a couple, you know, a gang of millions.

Right.

I mean, I'm guessing in the single-digit millions, though, not fucking fucking hundreds of millions.

I bet it's disclosed.

So you find out what the purse was, Jamie.

We need the next art Jimison in here.

That's a 25 mil.

25 million.

25 mil each.

Nice.

Nice.

At least 25 mil for their fight doesn't matter.

But even still, it's such a small population of boxers to make that, as we said.

So you would think that more would go, you know what?

I've probably got not going to make 25 mil.

I'm not good enough to make that, but I'm good enough to maybe go to MMA and make

100 grand, 200 grand.

They got to sit there really good.

Learned how many other skill sets, though.

That's true.

But if you're a guy like Crawford, it started out as a wrestler.

Well, he's not

that much.

And there are some of them.

I think like the Citroen Brothers, right?

One of them was a wrestler, too, I thought.

Yeah, Kermit Citron.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was digging through a boxing forum.

They didn't believe the USIC payout numbers.

Oh, they didn't believe it?

They think it's bullshit?

Yeah.

I don't understand how to do that.

Unless you're just lighting money on it.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

You mean about the Uzik numbers?

Yeah, the payout.

Oh, really?

Yep.

No one believes it.

Oh, yeah, but that's just because they're haters.

I mean,

no one proved it.

No one approved it.

It was $200 million.

It wasn't on pay-per-view.

There's no,

like, unless someone just gave him the money.

Yeah, I'm saying.

That should lit that money on fire.

This is the thing.

Those Saudis are known to do that.

Yeah, they're quite good.

I mean, look what they did with that Liv golf tournament.

Yeah.

They just bought the tournament.

And if they did that with basketball or with anything else, they have enough money to do that with basically all sports.

I suppose if they did it with the John Jones fight.

I said John Jones asked COC for $30 million to fight Tom Aspinall, then pulled out two days after they agreed.

He didn't think we'd come up with the number, and they did.

Saudi Arabia was involved.

He was hoping they wouldn't meet the number.

I literally just saw that this morning.

That's what Ernest said, yeah.

Interesting.

I wonder where he's getting his information.

That's interesting.

He said earlier in the thing that he priced himself out of the Nganu fight, and he thought that that strategy would work again, but apparently they met the 30 million.

And then John, a couple days later, did the retirement thing and said he wasn't wasn't going to fight.

Why the fuck would he want to do that then?

I'm going to say that.

Yes, I'm with you.

Well, God, listen, it's a dangerous fight.

I had to ask about me, dude.

For sure.

He's already at this point in John's career.

30 fucking million, though?

Yeah.

I would take the L for 30 million million.

Yeah, but he doesn't want the L.

Here's the thing.

The real thing is John's rich right now, right?

He's already a millionaire.

So what is he going to do?

What's that extra?

It's going to be nice to have an extra 30, but the reality is he's rich right now.

He probably doesn't have to work for the rest of his life if he doesn't do anything for it.

But he still makes money doing his appearances and whatever else he does.

And he doesn't have to take that ass kicking.

Not saying that he would, but if you wanted to look at it from that perspective, like if it's a tough fight,

he's been through wars.

The Gustafson fights, all his one, they all take something out of you.

And you've got to know when you don't want to do that anymore.

And if that's where he's at right now, I hope he stays retired.

But then he jumped right back in and said he wants to fight at the White House.

So it's like, it's so hard for those guys to let it go.

When they do let it go, it's difficult to figure out who you are.

Man, we've got to see where that train's going to go off the tracks when he's not fighting.

Train Kepa Rollins all night.

That's like an Aerosmith song, son.

I mean, guys, an all-time great, though.

I mean, if not the all-time great.

I know who's making so.

He's been really good lately.

And

I forgot who he's going to be fighting, but Dominic Ray is.

Oh, yeah.

He's like Carlos Olberg.

He's crazy, right?

Oh, he's like Carlos Oberberg.

That should be a good one.

In Australia.

That's a real good thing.

That's a real good one.

Olberg's interesting.

Olberg's fast.

I know.

He's fast.

He might be faster than Dominic Reyes.

I'll tell you what, man, I re-watched Dominic Reyes, John Jones, and I could see Dominic Reyes winning that decision.

That was a tough class.

It's a close fight.

I mean, I'm not saying

I sat down and scored it, but I'm like, okay.

I could see the argument.

I could see the argument.

I want to know John's story.

How much Coke did he do the week of the fight?

You know what I mean?

How about when he told DC that?

Yeah, right when I was on cocaine.

Like, that's got to be the coldest thing to ever say, right?

You know, they say there's nine years that a fighter can fight at his very best.

It's most for most athletes.

And I think they did this, someone was explaining this to me.

They think they did this based on tennis.

Because tennis is all about like fast twitch and movement and the ability to explode back and forth.

And they're not taking any damage.

And you could kind of keep your level going at the highest level for about nine nine years.

And then everything just slows down a little bit.

It's just too many micro injuries.

I mean, the training for these things, that's the biggest thing is the camps, especially as you get older.

Fuck.

You know, getting there in one piece is just, it's just almost impossible.

If you want to just check all the boxes, getting ready for these fucking things.

Yeah.

And when guys get to be like 37, 38, 39.

It's so hard to predict them to show up to fight.

I know.

I got to make predictions.

I'm like, well, they're they're 38.

Now.

I'll tell you what, dude, I'm not counting out Cannoneer anymore.

After he beat Gregory Rodriguez, I was like, God damn.

Put it on him, too.

Put it on him.

And Gregory tried to take him out in that first round, man.

He went all gas.

Gregory's a beast, too.

Robocop.

He just came back and knocked out the Joker, fucking Hermanson.

Yeah, that was a good thing.

And that was brutal.

That was a bad one.

Yeah, I think Gregory Rodriguez would be the biggest threat to Reiner de Ritter.

Oh, that's interesting.

Because

just like when you think about styles,

it's just the biggest threat.

I think he would have knocked Reiner DeRitter's head off, bro.

I like that thing.

His striking's terrifying.

DeRitter's got that knee to the body that is so interesting the way he fucking forces you to clinch and then blasts that knee to the body.

So good in the entrance with that knee to the body.

And when he did that over and over and over again, I was like, wow.

Paid for it one time with that overhand.

That's true.

And that's where Rodriguez could be fucking

throw that knee and fucking RoboCop.

And I got locked on his jaw.

Yeah.

But perfect nickname for him, too.

I know.

RoboCop.

He looks like it.

He does look like it.

That's a fight, right?

DeRitter and Robocop.

That'd be a crazy fight.

That's a good one.

That's a real good one.

I'm impressed with his jiu-jitsu, that Doridler, man.

Am I saying his name right?

Doridliter.

Doridler?

Doridler.

The fucking everything goes back to comics.

But he's so big.

Yeah.

He's so big for 85.

But so is RoboCop.

Yeah.

The way he handled Bo Nickel made the boat nigga.

a horrible matchup for Bow Nickel.

But it was a lot of those knees to the body.

Those knees to the body were nasty.

He was so good at it.

He was so good at throwing that knee to the body.

He's very calm, too.

Oh, yeah.

Well, he's been through it, man.

I mean, we haven't seen him, but over in 1 FC, dude, that knee to the body is so nasty.

It's so nice.

It's so nice.

And he took one, and he took a punch for it, too.

It doesn't matter.

Oh, my.

That's soft.

And on the ground, he's a monster.

What he did to Kevin Holland, I was like, whoa, okay.

Shitsu's on point, man.

So that's another 85er.

I mean, think about that division.

You got Fluffy, who just has this breakout performance last weekend.

You got, you know, the whole division.

Fluffy's.

Hey, what about that African dude?

Oh, my God.

Atier.

Oh, my God.

I'm scared of one.

He might be the one.

Like of all the dudes.

You know, you got it.

Yo, he, but he's fast.

Does anybody know the African dude's name?

Atiere

something like that.

Is it Goutier?

Goutier.

Atier.

It's like a Tippi.

Atopi.

Yeah, Atabi, Gutierre.

Yeah, yeah.

That sounds more like it.

Am I saying that right, Jamie?

I don't know.

She's looking for verification.

He's from Cameroon as well, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, he's scary.

He's real scary.

There's dudes that just, God just gave him an extra little, extra little...

Extra little.

He gave him more than an extra little because I was Kate's.

You know, Kate Sidman, we watching these dudes, and he's punching this guy like in the back and the guy's like going.

There he is.

A tea bucket.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he's like 6'4,

185, doesn't have an ounce of body fat on him.

I mean, look at that photo of him.

Just look at that photo.

That's crazy.

You know?

That's like one of those, the guy your girlfriend tells you not to worry about photos.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's a few of those guys that just have, they don't even look real over Rodolfo Vieira, he's another one.

Yeah.

You see him, you're like, How is that a real dude?

So, here he is, man.

This is in his last fight.

I mean, vicious power, dude, vicious power,

like that guy's just getting hit.

Like, yo, somebody stop him.

You were talking about the heavyweights, man.

I was upset by Buscema, man.

Oh, Buchetcha, Buscecho, Buscema,

Steven Buscema, Steven Buscema.

I've been watching Paul Paul.

I was upset by Barada.

He looked bad.

Buccechio.

Buchetcho.

He looked bad.

He didn't look good.

Horrible card.

How about they fucking got rid of the other dude?

That's weird.

They let him go.

Like, you fucked up.

No, I think they're going to re-sign him.

I think it's just a matter of just not having so many guys on a roster to have that burden to keep fighting them.

Well, that doesn't make any sense.

If the guy's on a win streak, guys are a winstreak.

Yeah, but I think they're going to re-sign them, though.

It's just probably like.

So it's just like they didn't sign in time?

Well, you know, when they have so many guys on the roster, they have to promise them a certain amount of fights.

Oh.

so it's like

let guys go so they don't have to promise them fights.

Yeah, so they don't have to promise some fights.

Is this for sure?

Are you just speculating

to pay him if they don't?

Yeah, because they have to pay them anyway if they don't get them a certain amount of fights.

I know, but I mean, you imagine you just fought your ass off.

You beat Buchetche.

Just Buchech cut you, right?

You're like, what?

I think what they'll do is that, like, when they need him again, they'll just get him back.

I was disappointed as opposed to just how bad shape he was in, cardio-wise.

Well, I think he banked on that single leg, which was getting breaking off.

Have you seen him fight that rug-rug guy or whatever, and won?

That was a crazy fight, a crazy war.

He took a lot of torture.

Like, I was impressed because most jiu-jitsu guys, when they get hit like that, they're not out there for the fight.

And then in this fight,

didn't look anything like the guy that fought at one, and I thought he was going to be better, you know, because he's training.

Let me ask you this: what kind of drug testing you think they're doing over there?

Yeah,

man, none.

Motherfucker knows.

What kind of drug testing?

None.

Drug testing?

You got to pull it on.

You got to pull it.

This is a problem with a lot of guys we got from Pride.

You know,

they come over with different physiques.

They look different.

Oh, yeah.

100%.

Moudet signs with Octagon MMA, faces off with heavyweight champ.

All right.

Well, he's staying busy.

You know, the guy's good, and we need good guys in the heavyweight division.

There's just not a lot of people.

I mean, the thing about it is it's like...

You got to be exciting.

I mean, I think part of it too is

physically.

He looks horrible.

i think if he was look more marketable i bet you'd still have a contract i know but isn't there like something to a guy who looks like shit who fucks everybody up there is something to that especially because he's always related somebody up look when fedor was in his prime that was part of his charm part of his charm chubby

roll around his face right dead behind the eyes old man back and shit how many guys didn't root for fucking roy nelson i'm not saying he looked like shit bro he's like an everyday

knocking guys out and he's fucking, you know, people like him.

People loved him.

That power that Roy had was crazy.

He came over from jiu-jitsu.

Everybody knew he was a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

Like, always competed in Abu Dhabi and the circuit.

Then all of a sudden he's throwing hammer.

He got this mullet and shit through here.

Kamora savage.

He takes a shot better than any living human being that's ever lived.

I mean, who took a shot better than Roy?

He took some bombs, dude.

That guy took some bombs and absorbed them.

Nah, he was badass.

And people loved watching him fight with that big belly they loved that's main

yeah he'd rub his belly

up yeah so i don't buy that that he looked like shit it's just the performance was it wasn't exciting if you watch that fight that fight wasn't a good fight you know butcha didn't wrestle

at a high level look like if you're going to be a jiu-jitsu guy and everybody knows you're a multiple world champion in jiu-jitsu and you're fighting in mma son you better have some take downs because ain't nobody gonna want to be fucking grappling with you.

Why would they do that?

You're right.

He was just banking on that single leg, and once he started taking that, he was taking away that single leg very well.

And then I'm like, oh, shit, it's a long guy.

I was all excited.

I go, oh, shout out to him.

I was like, oh, shit.

Let's see how this goes.

How many times have you watched a high-level jiu-jitsu match between two black belts, and it starts in a standing position, and no one goes down at all for like 10 minutes?

That's annoying.

No good shots.

That's annoying.

They're just tying up.

There's no good shots.

There's no one threatens to take someone down.

Everyone's afraid to commit.

Oh, when you start on your ass in class, then you never practice your takedown.

100%.

You're right.

You're right.

You start on your knees.

But it's also that no one wants to take a chance and open themselves up to getting caught, right?

So you don't want to dive in for a double and then get caught in the guillotine.

Shit, man.

And Abu Dhabi, I pulled guard every fucking time, right?

I didn't give give a fuck.

If you trust in your guard or being able to get back, now they call wrestling up because I was doing that back in the day before it was called that.

But, like, you know, if you're good at not letting somebody pass, especially an Abu Dhabi rule set, after five minutes, you know, all right, now I'm on back.

If I'm good at getting out and getting up and putting a guy down, I'm, you know what I mean?

I don't know.

It's all strategy with that.

But I hate when it's a stalemate with just two guys just fucking pummeling them fucking.

But I get it from the wrestler's perspective, too.

It's like, hey, fuck, fuck sitting on your ass.

Like, take me down, bitch.

You want me on the ground?

You got to take me to the ground.

I get that, too, because that's correct.

And that's one of the things that you see that's like very humbling for a real good jiu-jitsu guy when he's, there's no way he can take a guy down, and then the guy starts beating him up, standing up.

Yeah, and you just have, you're just rushing forward, trying to grab him.

You can't get the fight into your expertise level, your area of expertise.

It looks so bad.

It looks terrible.

Especially

bad.

Nothing to fear from you standing.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Exactly.

What about Don Fry and Omri Batech?

Oh,

that was a bad one for that.

That was a moment.

And he was tiny, by the way.

Amri Batech was a stud, but

he might have done well if they gave him anybody else.

But one,

if you watch that again, he's way smaller.

And that's a small Don Fry back then.

Yeah, too.

Don Fry was 200.

That was before he really got on the gas.

Pride Don Fry is a lot different than that Don Fry.

Pride Don Fry is a superhero.

Yeah, he got gigantic.

Even his mustache got bigger.

I didn't know that that guy, the big Japanese guy, that they were punching each other in the face.

Yeah.

I didn't know that guy became a quadruple.

Something happened.

I saw a picture of him visiting him on the tall.

He is.

He's tiny.

Don, dude.

Yeah.

Don was not big.

You know, look at Don.

I mean, he wasn't a big muscular.

I mean, obviously super.

Different weight classes right here.

This is crazy.

But not the Dom from Pride.

The giant roided up Don Fry from Pride was a different person.

This poor Amari, he was just trying to get down there.

He just grabbed the fence.

rules.

Full-on grabbing the fence.

Look, he's hanging onto the fence with shoes on.

That's the other thing.

He's got wrestling shoes, which is also kind of crazy.

Sucks.

Poor Amari.

I mean, he didn't have any fear.

It was bad.

I used to train with Amari back old school top team back.

It was a long fight.

What do you think Amari Butech weighed in this fight?

I'm going to just say an opposite round.

What do you think?

A buck 70

or something?

That's crazy.

He looks small.

I mean, look at the size.

This different weight clothes.

Big difference.

Look how young he is.

I know.

Big difference.

No gloves.

Yeah.

Yeah, shit.

Was 30 years ago.

So crazy.

What?

30 years ago?

It was 96.

Sometimes I forget I'm fucking in my 50s.

51.

This is a catch weight.

I'll be 57.

It was catch weight?

Yep.

Did it say Henri Pete's weight?

I'm looking up a different spot.

He looks like a alterweight.

Yeah.

Oh, shit.

There was a lot of those fights back then.

Oh, my God.

Tons of them.

Catch weights?

No, just crazy fights where crazy fights were fighting someone way smaller than them.

It's like Kerr and Gajelle, Fabio Gergell.

Yeah, that's one of my favorite fights of all time.

I was a big Fabio fan.

Well,

I give credit to Murillo Bustamante fighting Tom Erickson for 45 minutes.

I know.

Marillo was a jiu-jitsu guy that had some stand-up and had some wrestling.

He took Linland down.

Yeah, remember?

He shooted on the feet with Chuck Liddell.

I thought Murillo tapped Linland twice.

Marillo Bustamante is one of my favorites to watch.

The thing about the Jiu-Jitsu guys back then, some of those guys, Fabio Gojel's another one.

Marillo is their jiu-jitsu games,

it could transfer over from Gi, Nogi, MMA, and it all resembles the same skill set.

You know what I mean?

But it could cross over.

Mario Sperry.

Mario Sperry.

The Zen Machine.

Yeah.

He was great, too.

Yeah, man.

A lot of those guys from that Carlson Gracie team had a real solid team.

They had a real good team.

Jiu-Jitsu games.

Yeah.

Couldn't doubt Carlson's teaching.

Like a lot of savages came out of that camp.

A lot of them.

Yeah.

Including Vitor.

Yep.

Well,

that's where I got my black belt from, from Laborio, from that camp.

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, Laborio was.

Laborio was awesome.

He was a good dude.

Where's he been?

I don't think so.

He's in Orlando.

He's got a school in Orlando.

He's still got a school in the school.

He's still got a school.

And like a whole network.

He's not going for MMA anymore.

No, no MMA stuff.

I used to see him in the middle.

He's rolled out of top team.

Never.

Nice guy.

What a sweetheart guy that guy is.

Yeah, he wasn't.

When did did he leave top team?

He left before I did.

Really?

Yeah.

So,

I mean, in fact, like when he left, that's when they really hired me to kind of take his place in top team.

Oh, that makes sense.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

This is like 2019.

Outs coming up.

Oh, Joe Pfeiffer.

Oh, yeah.

Joe Pfeiffer, yeah.

He's fighting Abus Magametoff.

Yeah.

Ooh.

Joe Piper.

I like Joe, man.

He's fucking tough.

He's got some hands.

He's pistoned in that fucking shit.

Joe Piper thought that I was too too hard on him in the commentary of the last fight.

But it's just because of his sense of potential.

It's just because of his potential.

That's all it is.

I just knew that he was looking for the big shot instead of just letting it come.

He was so good in the first round that unfortunately

he had so much success and almost took him out that he started looking to take him out.

And if you load up with Kelvin,

I think it freaked him out a little bit that Kelvin was still there.

You know, like he's like, yo, I didn't hit this dude with everything.

This dude's still here.

What the hell is going on?

Nobody has got a chin like that guy.

That kid is totally chubby, though, Kelvin.

Yeah, he's a 70.

He's a 70.

Yeah.

He shouldn't be.

But he's always had such problems making it.

Yeah, but you know what, man?

It's just like if that guy was at the UFCPI and they gave him all his meals and he had someone babysit him and make sure you don't just don't fuck off.

Don't eat anything other than this.

And it's like too many guys just want to feel comfortable.

Yeah.

It's like, okay, but you're not going to feel comfortable losing.

So you're fighting a giant.

And that this guy's coming down from an extreme weight.

185 first 210.

Oh, I'm ready to attach it to 185?

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

Damn, he's also a late replacement.

I got to go back again.

I'm sorry.

Well, let's wrap it up.

Oh, man, guys, my asses are stopping us.

No, no, no, no, no.

We've been doing it for three hours.

We've been doing it three hours.

Okay, so it's fine.

I feel you guys are going to fucking curse me after this.

I'm sorry.

No, no, no, no.

We understand.

Me and my head.

You got a legitimate issue.

I have a lot of issues.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Ground patrol, Baltimore, Maryland.

Can I have a fucking shirt?

GroundcontrolBaltimore.com.

It's crazy that I didn't bring that up.

Another one.

Showgunfights.com.

I got you, Matt.

Don't worry.

Thank you.

Medium now.

And I'll be back in the Dean Thomas Fight Court, the new podcast.

Yes.

Oh, you got a new one?

I always got it on.

Dean Thomas Fight Court.

At B-MoreMMA on Instagram, too.

I'll see you this week in Chicago, right?

Yeah, I'll be there.

Yeah.

Matt Sarah channel on.

Oh, I'm sorry.

We're done?

Yeah, I'm done.

Matt Sarah channel on YouTube.

I'm having fun with that.

I got

a little podcast that can, like 30-something thousand.

I want to get to 100,000.

Come join the fun.

Yep, it's fun.

We're going to kick out there.

We got a ground control in Sykesville opening up soon.

So number six is on its way.

Nice, nice.

And the website has all the addresses and everything listed.

Okay.

All right.

Guys.

Always.

So much fun.

Dude, thank you.

Always great.

Thank you, Joe.

Appreciate you guys.

Thank you.

Bye, everybody.

Let's go.