#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass

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I have so many questions.

I'm very excited to meet you.

Same.

I've seen you in documentaries for decades.

So many documentaries.

I've watched so many things about Egypt.

I'm completely fascinated by you.

You know, I will tell you something.

Do you know this guy used to do a radio show late evening?

Art Bell?

The best.

I need to say this on air.

I need to say his story on air.

Okay.

Now, are we in air now?

Yeah, we're on air.

Art Bell

used every evening to attack me.

Bad you?

Yes.

How there

say how the Egyptian can move stones?

That's not true.

The Egyptians cannot do that.

Then I was teaching at UCLA and he called me for an interview.

I said no I'm not going to give you an interview until you come to visit me in Egypt.

And he said okay.

He came with his wife.

I took him to a quarry

that we are cutting stones to

construct the Sphinx.

Then I brought a stone.

eight tons weight and I brought a man on the age of 70 and I told this man cut this stone.

The old man stood above the stone.

You know, stones have weak parts like us.

With a pencil, he drew

a line from the beginning to the end.

In the middle, he put a piece of iron, bum, bum, he cut it for twice.

I said, Art, the Egyptian, doesn't use muscles, they use their brain.

Because the pyramid was the national project of the whole nation.

If you go today, if I take you today with me, and you know I always tell people this, I give lectures maybe three,

four times a week for American groups.

And I tell them the following.

If you stood in front of the Great Pyramid and you look at it, you will never believe.

that this pyramid built by human being.

Why?

Because you don't know.

And number two, if you try to do it today, you'll never be able to do it.

Are you going to hire today ten thousand workmen to work for ten, for twenty-eight years for nothing?

That was the national project of the whole nation.

I think Art Bell's real concern was how would someone possibly move those stones four thousand five hundred years ago?

Okay.

A lot of questions, right?

Yes.

But can I answer you now?

Yes, please.

Listen.

Two examples I will tell you.

The first example happened a few years ago.

I discovered a tomb in a site called Abosphere.

In the top of the tomb,

there was a huge granite sarcophagus, 20 tons weight.

Okay?

Okay.

If you come to Egypt, have you been in Egypt?

No, I haven't.

You have to.

If you talk about Egypt.

No, I I have to.

You have to come.

I know.

But you have to tell me before you come.

I will tell you.

Now.

I promise.

I brought only ten people

because I called the Minister of Culture

and I told him, we found

an intact tool.

And the minister said, wait, I will bring the reporter the breast and we'll do it live.

I said, okay.

But I hate to do anything live.

Then I came to the site, I brought my workmen, ten workmen only moved

the 20 tons

only by wooden stitches.

We found underneath another sarcophagus,

ten tons weight of granite.

We took the third one and we found underneath another, a third one, five tons weight.

We took the five tons out and we found underneath a coffin with a mummy.

And I told the workmen, put everything back.

And I called the minister, I said, you can bring the press, we'll open it live.

I never told them that I cheated him.

But only

in a site that I'm excavating right now,

we do discover 60 feet under the ground, we discover sealed sarcophagus.

The lid is about 10 tons weight.

Two workmen only open the lid for me.

We have a machine called the devil.

I don't know why they called it the devil.

Devil?

Devil.

Why?

I don't know.

I asked them.

They said our grandfathers called it like that.

Then they brought it.

This is an ancient machine?

It is an ancient machine.

Jamie could probably pull it up.

Then they put this machine

under the lid.

And they come doing it like this.

And they raise the lid little bit.

When the lid.

The lid is raised, they put a piece of wood,

another piece of wood,

until there is a half a feet that they can put

my

face inside with the sarcophag, with a flashlight to see what's inside the coffin.

That's what we because the people today

are the descendants of the ancient Egyptian.

There is a a village located north of Luxor.

And this village, all the people work in antiquities.

And they know, if you look at their faces, exactly like the ancient Egyptian people.

And all the people working with me.

I'm excavating right now in Giza.

We're going to tell you good news

inside the Great Pyramid that we found.

And also in Zaqqara and Luxor.

And this is why, in my lecture tour, now I'm making major important announcements that we'll talk about with you today.

Okay, what did you find?

Now,

you know, can I call you Joe?

Please do.

And you call me Zahi.

Okay.

Now.

You know, I do receive fan emails.

You've received emails?

Fan.

Fan emails.

About 50 a week.

Some of them, bad ones.

Some people think

that I discovered evidence to prove that pyramids built by aliens.

or lost civilization and I hide them.

I never answer these questions.

But to you, I tell you, how do I, how can I hide anything?

I'm not working alone.

I'm working with people.

You cannot hide anything, because people will see you.

And I will tell you a joke.

It happened, but it's a joke.

A reporter came to see me from California to my office, and my office was located next to the Great Pyramid of Kufu.

And he said to me, People say at 12 12 noon, you leave your office and you go to the bathroom and you open a tunnel from your bathroom.

Through it.

Really, it's what he said.

And you go from the tunnel to the great pyramid

and you hide things and you come back.

I said, okay, what do you need from me now?

He said, I want to see your bathroom.

This really happened.

He went to my bathroom.

Did he check all the panels?

And he came back.

I said, have you seen any tunnels in my bathroom?

He said, no.

I said, what are you going to do now?

He said, I will publish your bathroom in the internet.

And therefore, if you want to see my bathroom, write www.howasbathroom.com.

Is that much of an issue that people really believe it?

That you had to make a website for you?

They do.

They do believe in this.

And some of them attack me badly.

Well, that's part of the problem, right?

Is that the Egyptian pyramids and just Egypt in general is so spectacular.

The accomplishments of the ancient Egyptians were so monumental and so above anything that anybody had ever achieved.

And since, you know, what they've done thousands and thousands of years ago still to this day puzzles people when they try to figure out how it was built.

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I will tell you.

You will tell me how it was built?

Of course.

Okay.

I

how do you know?

How do you know?

How do you know?

I found all the evidence of building the pyramid.

We published a book, 1,000 pages.

This book is the Bible

of the pyramids of Giza Plateau.

Okay, tell me how they did it.

Now,

what we found out, the major problem

that people

think

about pyramids, because most of the information that's written on pyramids are wrong.

Most of it?

Most of it.

In archaeology books?

In archaeology books.

Really?

Except me and Mark Leonard.

You guys are the only ones that have it right?

Because I have been working in Giza for the last 57 years of my life.

I excavated every bit of sand.

Okay, let's say

what do the the archaeologists have wrong in these archaeologists' books?

For example, number one,

they say that the workmen who built the pyramids work it only four months a year.

When the flood covered the whole country, the king hired the workmen to work in this pyramid.

This is wrong.

And I will tell you what's correct.

Number two, that the stones used in building the great pyramid came from Torah.

And Torah is a 25 miles to the east from Giza.

And number three, that Kufu ruled for 23 years.

And number four, that the stones of the Great Pyramid are 2,300 thousand blocks.

How many blocks are there?

Now, let us talk about number one, the workmen.

The workmen.

I found the tombs of the pyramid builders only one mile south of the Sphinx.

A major important discovery that can tell everyone, number one, that pyramids built by Egyptians because of the names that we found inside the cemetery, and they were not slaves.

Can you get your phone?

I have to.

I have to.

Yeah, kill that thing.

Kill it.

You're right.

I always, because I do lots of interviews, I always close it.

Oh, I get it.

Except it today.

No worries.

Nobody knows how to shut these things off anymore.

Then now, this discovery.

So explain.

So you found the pyramids.

Excuse me.

You found the workers' pyramids' graves a mile away.

Away, one mile south

of the pyramids.

And by their names,

then I found names of the workmen.

I found the lower cemetery.

The lower cemetery were for the burial of the workmen who moved the stones.

And the upper cemetery was for the technicians.

Brian, how do you know this?

I will tell you.

Okay.

Now,

the tombs down there are very primitive tombs, built from mud brick, cost nothing.

Underneath is a skeleton.

And

if the skeleton is for a man, he's holding a beer jar.

He wants to drink beer in the afterlife.

If the skeleton is for a woman, she has a perfume vessels.

She wants to have perfume in the afterlife.

Inside the upper cemetery, I I found 21 titles in hieroglyphic.

For example, the overseer in hieroglyphic of the side of the pyramid.

What says that?

The overseer of the side of the pyramid?

Emira Ges Mer in hieroglyphic.

The overseer of the west side of the pyramid.

Draftsman, craftsman.

The one who stands in front of the harbor.

All these titles had to do with building the pyramid.

Inside the tombs, we found the tools that the Egyptians used to cut the stones.

What tools?

Deurite and flint tools.

Because in the old kingdom, there was no iron.

Are these photos of these tools available online?

Can we look at them?

Yeah, I can send it to you.

Are they online?

No, in my book, Giza and the Pyramids.

I don't know if it's online.

I'm sure it's online.

Jamie, you'll find it.

So these stones, these tools were flint and durite.

What is durite?

Deorite,

D-I-O-R-I-T-E.

Deorite is more sharp stone than iron.

And it came from uh

uh a quarry south of Aswan.

So you feel like they used this very hard stone to cut into cut the stones.

And and I will come back to this cutting the stones.

Okay.

But let me continue about the workmen.

Okay.

To the east of the tombs, we found an area for sorting salted fish.

We found an area for the bakery, making bread.

We found the workmen's barracks for the workmen who moved the stones to live.

We found a whole city for the technicians, for the artisans.

And we discovered thousands of animal bones.

Because people always say that the workmen who built the pyramid,

they ate only garlic and bread and drink beer.

And I thought if they do that, they will die.

But now we discovered that they slaughter

11 cows and 33 goats every day.

And this can feed 10,000 workermen a day.

Then we believe now, and I published that the workmen who built the pyramids were 10,000 workmen.

And they worked every day and they took one day off every 10 days.

Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was the national project.

The three millions who lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid for the king to be a god.

And therefore, the households in the south and the north of Egypt participated in building the pyramid by sending workforce and food to help the king.

Now we come to the second point: the stones.

We discovered that all the stones of the three pyramids at Giza,

the stones came from quarries in the site itself.

Even the king's chamber?

No, except except the granite in the king's chamber.

And.

And where did that come from?

From Aswan.

And that's 500 miles away, right?

Yes, by the flood.

The flood.

And those were 50 to 80 tons?

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't.

Yes.

If I was working there, it would matter.

I'm not sure.

No, no, because I shot you.

I shot you.

No, to me, 50 tons.

It's 20 tons.

Now,

what we found out

first, how the Egyptians built the pyramid.

They make on the ground a square base.

base.

Okay?

Okay.

And after that, they cut in the solid rock in the four sides.

You know,

I'm going to tell you one thing.

Okay.

If you tell me that pyramids built by giants, okay?

I will say, okay, come to the excavation.

All the skeleton that you discover are five to six feet high.

Nothing about giants.

Some people say that.

Okay.

The second.

I've heard aliens.

Okay, the second aliens.

If Joe, if aliens build the pyramids,

do they leave any?

Do they shit sometimes?

Aren't they going to shit?

Maybe aliens don't shit.

If they don't shit, are they going to leave something on the ground?

On the contrary, I give you the evidence, every evidence that they will tell you today

of actual workers and what's what's happening.

Now, we come about building the pyramid.

All the stones I told you came from Giza Plateau.

We found out what happened first, they cut in the solid rock

and they made the base of the pyramid to be 28

feet on the solid rock.

No stones.

Do you get this?

Yes.

We have in Egypt 120 pyramids.

We don't have only Kufu pyramid that everyone is talking about.

You have 120 pyramids.

This is one of them.

But the reason that this pyramid is so accurate and strong, because Giza Plateau is the only site in Egypt of the pyramids.

It's a part of the Mokatam formation.

It has three levels.

Level one and two are very bad stones.

But level three

is the top quality of the stones.

That the Egyptians use this stone to build the pyramid.

Then after they make the base of the pyramid to be 20 feet eight of stone, we found out 1,000 feet away,

we found out the quarry location.

All the stones.

So they only had to bring the stones 1,000 feet.

Only.

Only the stones

that came from outside are the casing stones.

And I will talk about this later.

That came from Torah.

And the granite came from Aswan.

And the casing stones with the outside smooth surface.

Exactly.

It came from Torah.

Then now when we discovered the quarry location and the base of the pyramid, we thought how they established the ramp.

You know the ramp?

Right.

To move.

To move the stones.

Right.

We found out if the Egyptian will make the ramp from the quarry to the base, it will never happen.

Because when you raise the base, you need to extend the ramp.

We found out,

listen to this carefully,

that the only way to have a permanent ramp is to come to the southwest corner of the main pyramid.

They built the ramp like this.

Okay.

And I excavated.

And these are photos

in my book, Giza and the Pyramids.

I excavated from here to her.

When the Egyptians construct a ramp,

When they finish building the pyramid,

they demolish the ramp.

They cannot demolish all of it.

They have to leave something in the ground.

Okay.

Do you get this?

Yes.

I excavated from here to her.

I found in situ remains of the ramp.

Are there photos of this?

Of course.

In my book.

Okay, let's find the photos of the equipment first.

You can't find anything?

I'll show you what I would find.

It's in my book.

What did you find?

Well, nothing.

Nothing?

How is that not online?

That doesn't even make any sense.

It's in my book, Giza Giza and the Pyramids.

Maybe we'll see.

These are the tombs.

These are the tombs of the pyramid builders.

Right there.

This is the excavation.

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And this is all what I discovered.

This is my discovery of everything.

Every piece of sand here tells us about the builder of the pyramid.

But let me continue this.

I will come to you.

Now, let us, let us,

if you go to my book, you'll find out that you I found here the deorite and the flint tools.

Listen, the now I will come.

The stones for building the pyramid came from the plateau.

The casing came from Torah.

Now we come to how how many years Kuf ruled.

So there is one big discovery happened a few years ago.

Are these the sto the tools?

No, no, this is tools for for artists.

The tools in my in our book, which is big big duorite tools and big flint tools, big ones.

And why is this not online?

Whoever puts it online, it's in my book.

Right, but I mean, wouldn't that be everywhere?

I mean, that's such a huge archaeological discovery.

It's not.

It's because it's everywhere.

It's not only in the workmen only, it's in every site.

You have these tools in many sites.

Right, but why aren't these tools online?

That's all I'm asking.

Ask the people online, but they are in remains in my book.

Are they in a museum somewhere?

There is some in the Cairo Museum, yes.

So there should be a photograph of them in the museum.

Okay.

What would Jamie look for?

But I don't know.

I'm just like asking them.

Now I want to come to the museum would have

the Cairo Museum would have those tools?

Yes.

Okay.

Now,

three years ago,

A major discovery happened for the first time.

It is the first time that we have written evidence about building the pyramid of Khufu.

When did this happen?

Three years ago.

Really?

It's called the Wadi El Jarf papyri.

Do you want to know what's in this papyri?

I do.

This papyri was found in Sinai, in a port belonging to Khufu.

And inside this port, there were caves.

And inside the caves found remains of boat and this big papyri.

It's large, huge.

There it is.

That's it, exactly.

Okay.

And what does this say?

Now.

First of all, how old is that?

4,600 years ago.

Isn't that amazing?

And listen.

You could find writing in this.

4,600 years ago.

So papyrus was made with animal skin, correct?

No,

of papyrus from the papyri.

Right.

What is it?

The bapyri is just like leaves.

Okay.

Now, but listen to the papyri.

It is a diary of an overseer of the workmen.

His name is Mirror.

M-E-R-E-R.

Okay?

Mirror is saying,

I am Sahaj, in hieroglyphic, means inspector.

Under me, working 40 workmen.

I was hired by Kufu to work in his pyramid.

This is in hieroglyphic.

And he said, my big,

my immediate boss, his name is Diddy.

Like P.

Diddy?

Diddy, yes.

Now.

20 years ago, in my excavation west of the Great Pyramid

of Kufu, I discovered 20 tombs.

Are these the tools?

No, no.

No, this is not the tools.

No, no.

The tools are really sharp type of big tools.

We found some of them.

What is that?

Is that Jamie's looking at?

What are these?

This could be.

The tombs in the lift is like them.

In the left here.

Those tools are.

No, no, no, no.

More.

No, down, no.

Where?

You know, here there is two.

There is more.

To the left, to the left.

To the left.

To the left.

No.

Again.

What?

these two tools, you mean up, down, what are you talking about

the second one after this one, and that's it, up,

that's it, and this one, oh, those, those, yeah, but don't those j look exactly like the other photograph we just had those up there that looks like the heads of small this was the smalls I'm talking about big ones so that's these are tools for for making uh statues and things like but not cutting the stones oh I see so these are the same kind of tools tools though with the same kind of materials.

But let me talk about the bapairi again.

Okay.

Because this many people doesn't know about this.

Then Merer said, my boss's name is Diddy.

Twenty years ago, I excavated west of the Great Pyramid of Kufu.

I found 20 tombs, beautiful ones.

I published all of them, except one small tomb I said is not important.

Three years ago, I found this is the tomb of Didi.

The person that he was the boss of Merer.

And I published this tomb.

You can find this tomb online now.

It's called Diddy's Tomb by Zahir Hawaii, west of the Great Pyramid of Kufu.

Now,

listen, Joe, what Merer said,

I took my workmen, this is in hieroglyphic, we went to Torah.

to cut the white fine limestone.

This sentence means that that the pyramid was finished and Merr went to bring the stones for the casing.

And he said, I'm not alone.

There is many other gangs are cutting the stones.

And Torah is in north and south.

And he said, I divided my gangs to three gangs.

One gang to cut the stones.

And one gang is smoothing the stones.

And smoothing the stones with the right tools to face the stones for the casing.

And after that he said, and the third group

moving the stones in wooden sledges to

a cargo boat.

What happened in the Old Kingdom?

We have evidence that the River Nile,

the Egyptian cut to the west of this river Nile, another Nile to be near the pyramid.

From this Nile, they cut a canal.

At the end of the canal, there is a harbor in front of every pyramid.

I discovered in my excavation, in front of Khufu pyramid, there is a village called Naslit Semen.

In this village,

the people were building houses.

Underneath the houses,

we found basalt

walls.

I stopped the construction of the houses and I excavated the whole area.

I found this is the harbor of Kufu.

And I published this in an article.

And I excavated in front of the Sphinx temple and I found the harbor of Kefrin.

And it's published.

Now,

the reason for the canal and the harbor, to bring non-local stones, Granite from Aswan,

alabaster from Middle Egypt, durite

from

Durite from Nubia,

basalt from Fayyum, white limestone from Torah.

The Egyptian had everything.

So they essentially cut a second canal.

They cut a canal just so they can move the stones to where they wanted them.

And they discovered all of this.

And this is published.

If you write,

And so this was all the casing stones.

Exactly.

Right.

Is it possible that the casing stones were put on later?

No, after you finish building the pyramid.

Right.

There is two important things when they finish building the pyramid.

I discovered in a site called Aboshir, I discovered two scenes.

One scene where came and dragging a capstone.

Above the capstone is a hieroglyphic word called Jim.

So where is this?

Where is this scene?

This is in hieroglyphs, the dragging the capstone.

Yes.

Can we see this?

Find out.

I don't know if it's internet.

I'm not.

What would Jimmy Jamie look for?

Look for Zahi Hawai's discovery in Abu Sir.

How much do you think was lost during the burning of the Library of Alexandria?

A lot, of course.

Everything, right?

Everything.

And this is why what I'm telling you, based, I have been excavating in Giza, Joe, for the last 57 years.

I know every piece of sand in the site.

And I want to tell you one thing also.

I am the only Egyptologist who has an open mind.

Really?

That I reveal.

I always look.

Yes, I always look at what the public says.

And I will tell you about this later.

I will tell you what I found in the pyramid.

But let me finish this story, and after that, I will come back to tell you how I look at what people say and I try to

investigate this.

And now, Merrill said,

I put the stones on a cargo boat.

And we came in the boat to Giza Plateau.

The workmen took the stones up to the pyramid.

We slept overnight at Giza.

I got up early in the morning with my workmen, went to Torah.

He made many times talking about that.

Then he said, I went to Sinai.

to bring copper

and turquoise.

But he said in Sinai, our big big boss, his name is Ankaf.

We know from text

that the architect who designed the Great Pyramid, he was Kufu's cousin.

His name was Hem Iono.

Then actually, it seems now that Hem Yonu died, and Ankaf completed the Great Pyramid and built the second pyramid of his son, Kefrin.

Then he said,

I'm working in year 27 of Khufu's reign.

He mentioned that Kufu was alive in year 27.

How long do you think he reigned for?

28 years.

I published an article.

I published an article about, you can find this article.

Why was the age 23?

23 years.

Why was that attributed to them?

Now, this is a good question.

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Egyptologist has a problem when they count the name of the king.

Because when the ancient Egyptian counted the cattle, They counted the reign of the king.

Sometimes they count the cattle every year, sometimes they counted the cattle every two years.

Then we make mistakes.

But now we have year 27 of Kufu's reign.

And we have on the second boat bit that the Zebanese are restoring now.

We know when the king die, his son buried him.

Then Kufu's son, his name is Jerephrei, who did not

respect his father, and I will tell you why.

He buried his father in year 28.

Then we know now, for sure, sure that Khufu ruled for 28 years.

Now,

Mirror said something that made me very happy.

Because 25 years ago, I wrote an article to say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt.

I said that the king ruled Egypt from the pyramid.

If the pyramid is in Abrawas, the king rule Egypt from Abrawas.

If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abu Ser, Saqqara.

Then Merr said something.

Many people did not believe me when I wrote this article.

But

Merr said Khufu lived in his palace at Giza.

If he lived in a palace at Giza, means with the royal family, the public, and the government.

And he said that the area that Khufu lived in it,

in the pyramid, called Ankh Kufu, in hieroglyphic, means the Kufu lives.

This is the name of the city that Khufu lived in it.

And he and Miller said, we came to Giza in an area in hieroglyphic called Rashe.

And Rasheh means literally mouth of the lake.

This could be the entrance of Giza Plateau.

But what's really strange, he said, it took me almost one day for me and my workmen to up to come to the pyramid.

Why?

Because Giza entrance was busy.

Every stone coming in has to be counted.

Every workman has to sign the first letter of his name.

And this is why if you go today to the port of New York, it will take you five hours to enter.

because it's busy.

And this is what happened at Giza Plateau.

This papyri, in my opinion, is really one of the most important discovery that tells us for the first time about building the pyramid.

And now, we come to the reign of Gufu, 28 years, and now the stones of the Great Pyramid.

I looked

everywhere to find out how they counted the stones.

That people said it's 2 million and 300 salsa blocks.

I found no evidence.

It's only when the Arabs came.

You know, all the theories that the New Age people say now, it came from the Arabs.

When the Arabs came and they entered the pyramid, they said all this nonsense stories about the pyramids.

Then I never found any place to tell me how they cut the stones.

But now we have evidence that the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high of solid rock, no stones.

In 2010, I brought a team, scientists, from every field, and we recounted the stones based on the new evidence, and we found out that the stones of the pyramid are only

more than one million.

And the average height of the limestone is half a ton to two and a half tons.

So the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high, carved into solid stone.

Yes.

And then the other rocks were placed on top of it.

No,

I want to come to when you told me about this capstone.

Because we did not complete the capstone.

Right, but let's let's start off with this though.

The base is 20 feet high and then

the estimation was 2,300,000, but you think it's far less than that.

Because of the new discovery that we found that the base is made of the solid rock.

So before they thought the base was individual stones?

Yes.

Okay.

So now that you know that the base is solid rock, that removes 1,300,000 stones that were necessary.

Yes.

Got it.

So they carved this base knowing they were going to put a pyramid on top of it.

And what about the subterranean chambers?

Every king in Egypt is buried underneath the pyramid.

Everything, except Khufu.

And his father, Sinephro.

The only two kings they are not buried underneath is Khufu and his father.

If you look at the one chamber underneath, it was cut and built.

If you go down, it's left unfinished.

Left unfinished in what way?

It was planned to cut it, but they did not complete it.

You can see when you go down that the burial chamber is not finished.

Why?

Why?

Because I found out in our research,

every king is Horus on earth.

When the king dies, he becomes the sun god.

Okay?

Okay.

Khufu, in year five,

he said, I am the sun god.

And he abandoned the construction of the first

burial chamber, and he built his chamber within the pyramid.

Because he's the God.

And that's the queen's chamber, correct?

No.

The first one.

I'm going to come to these chambers later.

And the second

evidence that he called his pyramid Achet Khufu, means the horizon of Khufu.

And the only one in the horizon is the sun god.

And the third evidence

is something

that only occurred at Giza.

The Sphinx and its temple.

I found that the Sphinx represent Kephrin, the son of Khufu, giving offering with his two paws to his father,

the sun god Khufu, who rises and sits in this temple, the first sun temple.

And this is why Khufu's pyramid is unique among the 120 pyramids.

And I will tell you what I discovered inside the pyramid now.

Now.

Before I tell you about what I discovered, I have to complete the scene that I told you.

That I found workmen dragging a capstone.

You remember, you asked me that.

We stopped on that.

Above the capstone, there is a hieroglyphic word called Jaime.

And Jaime means white and yellow gold.

A second scene I found, ladies dancing.

And they called them the Ghener.

And the Ghener are the dance troop of the king.

My interpretation of these two scenes.

When the pyramid was finished, the king asked the workmen to put the capstone in the top of the pyramid.

When they put the capstone in the top of the pyramid, cased with gold,

the whole country dance and sing because the king became a god.

That's what I call the national project of the whole nation.

The three millions who lived in Egypt in the time of the old kingdom, all of them participated in building the pyramid to make the king Azegad.

This is your theory?

Not a theory.

No?

It's it's fact.

It is a fact.

The pyramid was the national project.

No, that's not what I mean.

I mean it's your theory that the the capstone was put on and it's not a theory, it's it's based on evidence.

I found the scenes.

The papyri.

No, the the the papyri is in something else.

What is

it's blocks.

blocks limestone blocks one scene workman dragging a capstone with the word jaime is this written in limestone blocks?

Is that what you're saying?

No, it show the workmen dragging a stone shows it where in the stone that I discovered.

So it's carved into the stone.

Exactly.

And the word jaime in hieroglyphic above that.

Where is that at?

It's an aboser I found.

But are there photographs online?

Yes, in my book.

I don't go online.

Who I have to go online?

I go to my book.

Oh, no, I understand, but for everybody else that doesn't have immediate access to you.

Did you find them online?

It's called the Abosser blocks.

Abosser.

A, B, as in boy.

How do you think they got the stones from the king's chamber 500 miles away and put them 120 feet

up in the ceiling?

It's, I told you, if you come today and see how the workmen move 20 tons of granite, you'll understand.

Workers today.

Yes, today, like yesterday.

The same workmen.

Okay.

Right, but

Jones at different times, correct?

Like, if they're doing it today, they have access to modern machines.

If you don't know.

They don't?

No.

It's everything based on the idea of the national project.

They want to make this for the king.

I understand the national project.

What I don't understand

is the physics involved in moving

20-ton blocks 500 miles through the mountains.

If you don't believe in this,

it's not that I don't believe.

I want to know.

Inside this block.

Hold on, hold on.

It's not that I don't believe.

I want you to explain to me how you think they did it.

I explained to you.

From 500 miles away,

50 to 80 ton blocks.

This comes through the Nile.

You can bring all the stones.

Right, but we have

the mountains, right?

No, the quarries, the granite quarries in Aswan, and we have cutting of the obelisks and cutting of the stones and cut of everything in the site.

And they brought in when the flood comes in July, they bring boats through the flood, they bring us out of the stones to Giza Plateau.

They planned things for the floods, and then they would figure out some sort of a raft system to get them on and then move them that way.

Now,

if

we now do not believe that this cannot be

moved by human beings, okay?

But on the other side, what I can tell you, you, inside above these blocks, written the names of the gangs who built the pyramid, above the king chamber.

One of the names, friends of Khufu, I did a 3D few months ago and we recorded in the five chambers that has this huge blocks.

We found two more names of the gangs.

One name called those who are connected with the goddess Wajat.

And written year 13 13 of Kufu's reign on the third chamber.

I took Mr.

Beast with me two months ago.

I took him and I showed him how these blocks, they were written by the workmen before they moved the stones.

And in the fourth

room, we have the good gut.

Another name was year 13 of Kufu's reign.

This is when they moved the stones.

So I understand what you're saying.

So you're saying that they took these stones, they waited for the flood season, they got these stones on rafts, they moved them down the river, they got them to the site.

How did they get them 120 feet in the air?

You know, again,

this is the most important thing.

This is the national project.

Oh, I understand that.

That's very valuable.

The boat to them, I just wondered what

technology was.

No technology.

Well, technology is tools.

Technology is levers.

Whatever they had at the time was their current state.

The huge wooden sledges.

huge wooden sledges this is the only way that today we move huge stones this how my workmen moved 20 tons sarcophagus in a tomb how far did they move it

they moved it just a few feet away

but we have scenes of how workmen move 60 tons statue, how they move with the sledges.

Right.

And they draw it.

Yeah, I've seen those scenes.

Yeah.

Then we have all this type of scene that the Egyptian show that.

Again, this is the national project.

Do you think they wet the ground?

Like, what did you do?

They do that?

Yeah.

Yes.

And then

are they using sleds?

Like, how do they?

Sledges.

Sledges.

Wooden sledges.

And then they just

slowly but surely pulled it into position.

We have this in the tombs, these wooden sledges.

Yeah.

But let me take you now

to what I began to reveal, the secret of Kufu Pyramid.

Okay.

As I told you again, I always listen to what people say and I try to prove them

if they are right or not.

I was interested

in the Great Pyramid most of my life because I was the inspector of the pyramid, director of I spent most of my life there.

Then I closed this this pyramid for a year to stop humidity.

To stop humidity?

Because every person all the breathing

enter inside the pyramid gives about twenty gram of water

and this water becomes salt.

Then mechanically I removed the salt.

You had to clean the walls.

Exactly.

And after that I thought how can I make a ventilation system

of the pyramid?

In the king chamber and the queen chamber, you have this

tunnel,

20 by 20 centimeter only.

Small tunnel.

Right.

Then I thought I should clean these tunnels.

Then I can make a ventilation system.

I had no idea of what I'm going to find out.

What did you find out?

Then I hired a German robot

and we took the German robot to the king's chamber.

We are sitting in the king chamber with a TV screen and the robot entered in the shaft.

We found out that the interior of the pyramid

the stones were interplugged

and this why when the Arabs came to Egypt and they said man first time and time first pyramids.

Then we found out that this shaft went outside.

Then we put a fan here

and the fan suck the air and push it in the tunnel and we made the ventilation system in the pyramid.

So this then discovery of these stones, what was unusual about the way they were placed?

What did you say they interlocked?

Interblocked.

Interblocked?

Yes.

What do you mean by that?

Oh.

Like fingers.

Okay.

So there's like different levels and they all slid in together?

They how they put the stones.

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With each other.

Okay.

But now the most important, then I took the robot to the second chamber.

Now we know.

that the tunnel in the fetch chamber are open outside.

Open outside.

That's

why we have these tunnels in the second chamber.

They call it Rongli Aquinich chamber.

Right.

Then we took the robot to the northern tunnel of the queer chamber.

After 60 feet,

the robot stopped because the tunnel was bending

to the left, and the German robot could not bend.

Then we took the robot to the south tunnel.

The robot went for 200 feet, stopped in front of a door with two copper handles.

That was the first discovery.

Now,

I began to think, how can I find out what's behind this door?

In 2002,

I was chosen by the National Geographic as explorer in residence.

Were nine explorers.

With them, with us was Bill Billard, who found Titanic.

Each explorer had a dream.

I told them, I need you to design a robot for me.

I want to find out what's behind this door.

And they did make a robot

and they called it Pyramid Rover.

We took the Pyramid Rover

and the robot went.

in the south tunnel and the robot had a drilling on his hand.

The robot opened one hole,

one centimeter and one millimeter

and sent an optic camera through this hole.

We found after 21 centimeters of this door a second one

and the second one has an Iggy shaped like that.

as if it's hiding something.

Then after that we went to the northern tunnel that was bending.

We found out it's bending north and south for 24 feet.

And the reason for the bending was to avoid the Grand Gallery.

At 200 feet, the robot stopped in front of a third door with two cover handles in the same distance of this one.

And these doors are very small, right?

Very small, 20 by 20 centimeters.

Okay.

Now,

I spent most of my life

from

2002 until

2024, last year.

I found a team from England

and we worked it last year for three seasons.

Number one,

I found out

above

the

king's chamber, a big void.

I'm sorry, above the grand gallery.

Right.

This void, the size of two trucks.

Now,

the second void, behind the northern tunnel, another small void.

Inside this void, we can see hieroglyphic inscriptions.

Really?

So those are the only hieroglyphics on the Great Pyramid.

And I can show you the footage.

Do you have the footage here?

If you can come to my lecture.

Oh, come on.

In Boston?

What about right here, right now?

I can send it to you.

Where do you have it?

Do you have it on you?

In my computer.

Where's your computer?

In Las Vegas.

Oh, well, fuck.

But I can send it to you.

Yeah, but I want to show it on the show.

Show it in the show.

I can send it tomorrow.

Okay.

You can send it tomorrow?

Yes.

Okay.

We'll splice it in, folks.

Then, tomorrow, I will send it to you.

Please do.

Okay.

Give me my email.

Now.

Give you Jamie's email.

Yeah.

Give me.

But you should come and can you come and introduce me here in Houston?

Excuse me?

Can I introduce you in Houston?

No, I cannot.

Why?

Because I'm very busy.

Okay.

Fine.

If I had known in advance, I could.

Oh, fine.

Fine.

Fine.

I unfortunately, I don't have any free time, Zawi.

Zahi.

Zahi.

Zahi.

Zahi.

Not Zawi.

Zahi.

The now.

Mr.

Hawaz.

The now.

What you are going to do?

So, this is the only pyramid.

Can I ask you, though?

This hieroglyphics inside this chamber that you've discovered, these are the only hieroglyphics in the Great Pyramid.

Is that correct?

No, there is in the five chambers.

I told you.

Oh, in the other chambers.

I told you, in the five chambers, now we have five names of the gangsters who built the pyramids.

And we have these.

These are all recent discoveries?

Yes.

Within how long?

How recent?

This

void

was last year, 2024.

The hieroglyphic discovery, or three months ago.

So, all this is very.

Isn't that fascinating that you've been studying the pyramids for so long and you're still finding?

Listen to me, what I'm going to do.

What are you going to do?

There is a friend of mine,

his name is Leslie Grife.

Leslie is from Hollywood.

He did with me many live TV shows and he did with me chasing mummies.

And Leslie now is working to find a network.

To come, we need to do this program live.

Okay.

I want to show the whole world what I discovered inside the pyramid.

That who are not hiding anything.

I want to show them the hieroglyphic.

Why do you always feel like you're in battle with people?

Because

they attack me.

Go to the understanding.

I'm not in a battle with people.

They're in the battle with me.

I understand that.

I understand that.

But I'm giving you an opportunity to just lay things out.

You don't have to argue with people that aren't here.

I'm not arguing.

Fuck those people.

I'm not arguing.

I'm

telling the people.

I'm just fascinated by the discovery.

It's not a good idea.

So, what does it look like?

These hieroglyphs, did you?

I know you can read it.

I read hieroglyphics.

Is that signs?

You can read that stuff.

Yes, but we can the signs are not clear.

It's not clear?

No.

We need to do more investigation in September.

Is it a difficulty in seeing inside there?

Because

when the Egyptians write

inside the five chambers, for example, they don't write hieroglyphic.

They write a cursive hieroglyphic.

It's called the hieratic.

And this hieratic, Joe, it's very difficult to read from outside.

What does that look like?

It's cursive of the hieroglyphic.

Let me see what that looks like, Jamie.

That's fascinating.

That's fascinating.

No, this is hieroglyphic.

This is hieroglyphic.

That's hieroglyphic.

We talk about hierarchic.

On the right, on the right-hand side, it says hierarchical.

Exactly.

Look at the one and write this hieratic.

Okay.

Then it's very difficult.

It's so beautiful.

Yeah.

What a beautiful language.

Like the way it's written, it looks like art.

Then, Joe, what we're going to do before the end of this year,

we are going to show

what's inside the five, the, this voice, life.

Can you pick that up, Jamie?

These symbols that look like...

Like, make that larger, please.

These symbols to the far left that were right below Jamie's cursor, right there.

Like, what are those supposed to be?

They are signs.

But what does it mean?

Look, this.

It looks like a device.

The one down means sish

for

a determinative scribe.

What is the one that is cursive?

It looks like a stop sign.

It's for a scribe.

A scribe.

Yeah.

But what does it mean?

Scribe.

It means a scribe.

Sish.

Okay, I understand.

So, and then the other one on the hieratic, that's the cursive version of the scribe.

Now, I don't, I'm not that expert in hieratic.

Okay.

Because hieratic is very cursive.

I understand, but I think this

is showing that, right?

I know.

But we, if you look at the signs in the five chambers that I will send it to you tomorrow, it's very difficult to read.

But you can see they are hieratic, cursive signs.

Got it.

But the most important that we are going to show this live.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

So people don't even know, and you're going to show all this stuff live.

We will do it live.

But the s the other thing,

we have another team called Scan Pyramids team.

They are scientists from Japan, France, and Egypt.

I am the scientific director who really

if they discover something, they come to me.

I have to discuss it with them.

And they found.

You know,

the pyramid.

Yes.

You have the entrance that the people use now.

is the entrance that the Arabs opened.

That's in the north face, correct?

Exactly.

Above that is a mini chamber.

Okay.

The Egyptians, the team are using a very sophisticated techniques like ultrasound, infrared.

With these techniques, you do not need any more to drill.

You can really see what's behind the door.

And this is really what I'm using right now.

Then they came to me

and they said behind the main entrance of the pyramid, there is a corridor.

And they showed to me this corridor clear

in the five techniques that they're using.

But I don't know why I have to see it.

Let's go up there.

We went up there and they sent

an optic camera through

the stones

and they found

I could look at the corridor, 30 feet long,

8 feet wide, topped with chevron shape.

I think you can see that in the internet, the corridor behind the main entrance of the pyramid.

Can you get it?

It's in the internet, I'm sure.

This void above the Grand Gallery?

The size of two trucks.

What do you think that is?

I have no idea.

I'm just telling you what I found.

And

this was the Great Pyramid.

I did more work on the third pyramid with the same techniques and the second pyramid.

This is the void.

Okay, that's it.

Can you see?

Wow, that's incredible.

And I think, and bring the other big void above the Grand Gallery.

I think you'll see it also.

So find the void above the Grand Gallery, Jamie.

So this, it's two trucks, the size of two

size of two semi-trucks.

And do you have any idea what the answer is?

I will tell you about my theory.

Please do.

I think it's here.

So that's the void.

Yeah.

Now.

And it's that shape.

It's in that direction, so it's at a slope?

It's above the Grand Gallery.

That's it.

That's it.

Yeah.

The Scan Pyramid Project.

Now,

I tell you my theory.

Please do.

We have a story written in hieroglyphic, but not at the time of Khufu.

It's after Khufu.

The story, it's written in a papyri, it's called Khufu and the Magician.

It says that Khufu was staying in his palace,

and he was very upset.

He was not happy.

And his son came to him, Your Majesty, why are you unhappy?

He said, I'm searching for the secret of the Gatoth, the God of Wisdom.

Then I can design my burial chamber in the pyramid.

Then his son told him, I know a magician.

His name is Jiddi.

He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back.

And he knows the secret of the Gatuth, the God of Wisdom.

He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back, but is the guy still alive?

Is that what he's saying?

No,

this is what the son is telling his father.

I understand that.

That Jiddi can do that.

A lot of people can cut a guy's head off.

But listen to the story.

This is the story.

Then the king told his son, bring this to me.

They describe him as 100 years old, and he drank 1,000 beer.

Jiddi came in front of the king.

And Khufu told him, I heard that you can cut the head of a man off.

He said, yes, Your Majesty.

He said, do it.

He said, Jiddi said, I cannot do do it with a human being.

He said, okay, I will bring you a prisoner.

Jiddi said, a prisoner is a human being.

Then he told, he brought him a goose.

He took the head of the goose up in front of everyone.

And the head came back, and the goose was running in front of everyone.

That's written in the story.

Then the king,

I come back to what's believed that now.

Okay.

And the king told him, I want to know the secret of the Gad Toth to design my burial chamber.

He told him that

this secret will not be in your hand.

It will be in the hand of another people who rule Egypt.

Khufu was very upset.

So he wouldn't give him the secret because he said, that secret won't just be in your hands.

It'll get into other people's hands.

Then the king is dangerous.

The king was unhappy.

He told them, Don't worry, Your Majesty, because you will rule and your sons

and your grandson.

Now, about magic.

Yeah.

Do you believe in religion or not?

Yeah.

Okay.

Do you know about Judaism?

Sure, a little.

When God told Moses,

when Moses met God and God told them to go to Egypt to meet the Pharaoh, and God told them, remember, the Pharaohs are highly in magic.

right they will beat you then god taught moses how to be more in magic than the pharaoh and you remember when he heard the stick and the stick became a snake i think and and the and moses brought more snakes to to to swollen what the pharaoh did then we know from books from judaism from the beginning that the ancient egyptians were really highly in magic then we can believe do you think that that magic might have had something to do with how they constructed the pyramids?

No?

No.

But if you believe that they had enough magic to take a goose's head and put it back on, it's still alive.

That's magic.

Yeah.

Wouldn't they use that magic for other things?

But we have.

But if you believe in magic.

I do, of course.

You do.

You do believe in magic.

So you believe that someone could take someone's head off, put it back on.

It's written.

Okay, then it must be true.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

What is this?

Someone's going to kill a dove?

It's a magic trick.

It can decapitate birds and stuff.

Oh.

Okay.

I was just reading it.

Apparently, in the trick that he did it, he put the head on the other side of the room and made them come back together.

He did it to a calf and a different animal also.

Now, what really I want to tell you now.

That person's magic, too.

Now that person can make us paradise.

What I want to show you that I'm not a person.

What do you think magic is?

Magic is magic.

What do you mean?

What magic is?

Well, how does it work?

I have no idea.

What do you mean by how it works?

Well, I mean, how does someone do something like that?

I have no idea.

We have to go back

to the market.

We have to go back

to 4,600 years ago.

And do you think a lot of this information is what was lost in the burning of the Library of Alexandria?

Of course.

This is some of the

unbelievably detailed records.

But still, also, you know, because I will tell you,

why

we do not have any evidence

about Khufu, temples, and things like that.

Because what happened,

the ancient Egyptian believed that a pharaoh should be a male.

A pharaoh cannot be a female.

Anyone who changed the religious belief, they hate him.

Hatshepsut, when she became a pharaoh, they hated her and they destroyed her monuments.

Khufu, when he changed his cult to be a sun god,

in the first intermediate period, they destroyed his monuments, the temples, the statues.

The only statue of that king was found in Upper Egypt, not at Giza.

Even in the temple of his sons, there was twenty-three statues.

They smashed the statues.

A smashing was a sign of revenge.

Now

do you have any question about Khufu pyramid before I switch to the Sphinx?

Um well, I'm I'm fascinated by a lot of aspects of Khufu's pyramid.

Well, one of the big ones that's come up very recently that I'm sure you're aware of is uh these r

satellite radar, was it called tomographa what is it called?

Tomographic?

Where they think that there's these pillars underneath the structure.

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I investigated this.

First of all,

these two scholars from Italy

have never been in Egypt.

They have never worked in the pyramids before.

Right.

They're using satellite information.

Number two,

they published their article in a journal.

This journal do not send their article to the freeze.

You pay a fee to publish the article in your responsibility.

Okay.

Number three,

I am not a scientist.

I took

these techniques that they used and I gave it to expertise.

And they said

these techniques cannot show

underneath a solid rock of almost 600 feet down.

No way.

Why can't they?

They said this technique cannot show that.

But these scientists are saying they can.

Do you know about the Osiris shaft?

How they've got a

standard.

I covered it.

Yeah, you did, right?

But do you know that they use this tomographic?

No!

No, I am the one who found it.

No, I understand.

You found it.

But they also discovered it.

They showed that it exists using the same technique.

No, no.

This is wrong.

This is not true at all.

I can tell you how I found it.

How can I find it on that?

I'm not saying that you didn't find it.

It's under the paper, signature aperture radar Doppler tomography by Filippo Bondi.

And if you scroll down, Jamie, you'll see an image.

And this image is of the Osiris shaft, which shows that they got an accurate depiction of that from space.

That's not true.

From satellite.

It's not true.

So, what are you saying that they're lying?

They're lying here.

They're completely lying.

But if they're showing, using these techniques, things that we know that you discovered that absolutely exist.

Now,

these techniques, as I told you, scientists said

that these techniques cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid.

The OSIRIS shaft that they found was only 50 feet.

Showing at least for 50 feet that this is accurate.

What makes you believe those scientists rather than these guys from Italy?

Because these

because the scientists are scientists.

Well, these are scientists as well.

They are not showing their techniques carefully.

They have not.

What do you mean they're not showing their techniques?

Take the techniques that they said and show it to any scientist.

No one, no one can tell you this is accurate.

I

I ask it every every person who knows about radar, ultrasound, all the people work with me,

the scan pyramid project, they said this is bullshit.

It cannot happen at all.

Now, tell me.

So you're telling me that these scientists that are proclaiming the capabilities of these satellite tomography devices that are saying that they can

see kilometers into the ground with this stuff.

That's not true.

I did.

Are you sure?

I did the do you understand the technology?

No, not me.

But you're just listening to other people.

Scientists who are in this field.

Have you talked to these scientists that are saying that they have these discoveries?

I sent, I made a press release.

But did you talk to?

I did not.

Why not?

Because they did not talk to me.

How can I find them?

I made it.

Would you be willing to talk?

Of course.

Can I connect you to that?

Yes.

Okay, I will connect you to them.

I'm just interested if new technology becomes available and they figure out a way to look into the ground and you discover things, especially if they discover the Osiris shaft and it turns to actual interior.

They did not discover the Osiris shaft again.

You discovered it, but they use their technology to show an accurate depiction of the interior of the Osiris shaft.

Joe, the Osiris, the Osiris shaft is a shape.

Is that true?

No, it's not.

The Osiris shaft.

The images that we showed.

The Osiris shaft is known to everyone.

Right.

It can be seen by the people.

When they turn their equipment equipment on the Osiris shaft, it shows the actual interior.

Maybe, I don't know, but this is 50 feet.

Let's look at it again.

But there took over 600 feet.

I understand, but if it can go 50 feet, why can't it go 600 feet?

Now I am at again,

I am not a scientist.

Right, so why are you saying

it though?

I gave what they published to a scientist, and they said

that's not true.

But scientists are wrong all the time.

Scientifically, ones that are biased.

Then

what I did, I made a brief release

explaining my point.

Yes.

And I said,

my work

of the second pyramid, that the base of the pyramid is 28 feet of solid rock.

Right.

And there is no way that anything can be happened in the solid rock.

And I explained.

I think what they're saying is it's underneath the solid rock.

Let me finish.

And I said, your techniques that you published in this magazine is not refreed by scientists you just published it and number three

the team that working in Giza with all these new techniques they said this is wrong they and I and they know the team that's working in Giza with all these techniques what do you mean

we have the scan pyramid team right they're working but you understand this is different technology I understand but they know about this technology.

But have they used this technology?

And they said this technology cannot work, cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid at all.

This is what they said.

And this is why, if the Italians were confident, they could contact me.

I'm the pyramid expert that anyone should.

Well, we'll make sure that happens.

But listen, if the stone is 20 feet thick, the solid stone at the base, that's correct, right?

And you said Osiris shaft is 50 feet, that means it can see past 20 feet, right?

But how can it see through the stone and see

what they're showing

over and over again?

The Osiris shaft is open.

Right.

It's not covered to see.

I understand.

You can go and you see the Osiris shaft down.

Right.

Everyone can see it.

But the interior is not open.

And the interior is not open.

But you can see the interior.

But you can't see it to the exact dimensions the way these tomographic images show it, right?

If they're using this technology to go 50 feet under the ground and get an accurate depiction of your sire shot.

I am not a scientist.

I understand so, but this is my question.

All the time.

Why would you dismiss it if you haven't looked under there?

Because

I told you.

It is not me who can dismiss this.

What does it say, Jimmy?

This is the link to the art, the original article, I believe.

There's their names.

The very first sentence says that

the penetrating action of electromagnetic waves inside solid bodies, the capability to observe these distributed targets is precluded.

And then they had to come up with an experimental

results are estimated by processing the SAR images into something

else.

So

I think that's the disconnect I'm hearing.

Yeah,

I don't understand the technology, but my question is,

we know how spectacular the pyramids are.

we know how spectacular just the base of it the fact that it's carved into solid rock why would you not think that maybe other spectacular things exist even

what I told you

I am

not

this type knows about the science I consulted the team

the top in the world from Japan France and Egypt.

Who are these people?

They are the Scan Pyramid team.

Okay.

The Scan Pyramid.

Yeah.

The ones that found the

chamber above.

And they are working with me.

And we found many other things in the second pyramid and the third pyramid.

And we published this.

We just published an article last week.

Then what I am saying, if these techniques that these two Italians are correct,

the only people who really can tell you it's correct or not are the scan pyramid people.

Not me.

But the scan pyramid people, aren't they using different technology?

But they know about technology.

They are the top scientists in the world.

I have to believe them, not the two Italians.

And if the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us, not me.

Well, to talk to me and others.

I will definitely try to connect you with those people because I know that Graham Hancock and Brian Mararescu have been in contact with those people.

And

they're open-minded about it.

They don't know what's going on down there, but these images are repeated over and over and over again.

Fine.

But they're fascinating, either way.

Okay.

The whole

one of the fascinating things about

Egypt to me is

the fact that it's not just so much more advanced in terms of construction than anywhere else in the world.

but that it's

it's still to this day like nothing nothing even close has ever been even attempted to this day.

What do you think was going on back then as far as their capabilities and their understanding that led them to do something so spectacular that other people 4,500 years ago?

Again, the belief of the afterlife built Egypt.

Right.

But they also had to have

the understanding of

engineering and construction and design.

To do this belief of the afterlife, to build the pyramid, as I told you, this was a a national project of the nature of the world.

No, I understand it's a national project, but they have to acknowledge it.

You can talk about this pyramid if it exists alone.

When you come to Egypt and you go through time, you will see that everything gradually,

there is no gap that you can.

What do you mean by that?

There is no gap for anyone to think something different than the belief of the Egyptians.

I don't think anybody's saying that.

Oh, God.

Well, maybe some people are.

Maybe some people do.

But I mean, it's all of the Egyptians, obviously.

It was in Egypt.

I mean, it's the Egyptians that made it.

It's pretty obvious.

That just seems obvious.

Then, if you believe in that,

I'm happy to hear this from you.

Yeah, well, I just think whenever people say it's aliens, they're like, where's the proof of that?

Exactly.

Also, they built a lot of spectacular things.

Like, no if, ands, or buts.

Just

the statues, just the faces of the pharaohs with incredible symmetry.

That's why I want really, I want, since you are interested in Egypt, we would like to invite you to come to Egypt.

I want to come.

I just, it's for me.

We are willing to invite you.

I want to go.

Okay,

tell me when.

Okay.

And I will arrange everything for you.

Okay, we'll hook it up.

But now, I want to come to the Sphinx also.

Okay.

Can we talk about the Sphinx?

Yes, please.

Now, you know, when I was young,

I was met by the Edgar Casey

son.

The psychic guy.

Huron Casey.

Yeah.

And Huron Casey was the son of Edgar Casey.

I was young.

I really do not know what this case he had.

But

when he came to Egypt and talked about me, about his father,

you know about Edgar Casey.

Yeah.

Okay, then it's...

He had a vision that there was a the chamber underneath the Sphinx's piece.

Underneath the ripo of the Sphinx, there is a chamber.

And he envisioned that, correct?

Yes.

And this is why I'm going to Virginia Beach to give a talk.

One of the cities in my tour now is Virginia Beach.

Why?

Because

when

people began to tell me there is something inside the Sphinx, I really, as I told you, I have an open mind.

And I did search.

I found inside the Sphinx four tunnels.

One behind the stela.

They call it Dreamy Stila, between the two balls of the Sphinx.

And the second one

behind the head, in the top.

Right, there's actually a door in the top of the head now.

No, no, no.

Just a tunnel.

A tunnel.

25 feet.

Isn't it closed off, though?

No, yeah, it's closed.

Yeah, that is.

Yeah, there's like a door on the top of it.

It's not a door, no.

A lid?

It's just a tunnel.

Go down.

Okay.

But it's closed off.

You cannot go up to the Sphinx.

That's why we have to cover it because it will take rubbish and garbage.

Well, that's the top.

That's what I'm talking about.

Isn't that the top of it?

Is this a Sphinx?

Yes, that's it.

Okay, that's a lid, right?

Yeah, that's a lid.

We covered it.

Okay.

Yeah.

But we covered it to protect it from the sun.

But it's not a door.

Okay.

It's a lid.

The third tunnel that I found

in the back.

Now, Edgar Casey, he had this vision that there was some

hall of information.

I know, but I'm going to come to this now.

But I'm talking to you about the tunnels now.

And the third one is in the tail.

The fourth one

was opened in 1927

by a French name is Monsieur Beres.

And I do have

photos of workmen inside the Sphinx.

We found

these four tunnels are published.

An article, scientific article.

I found in Situ,

in all the four tunnels of pottery

in Situ to prove that these tunnels were opened

on dynasty 25, 500 BC

as in the late period.

When the Egyptians saw the Sphinx, they thought there is something hidden underneath.

And they dug and they found nothing.

Now,

we come to the Edgar Casey and what people believe, because we had

Jean-Antinoist and we had

many New Age age people who believe there is something hidden underneath the Sphinx.

And they used to tell me, We need your permission.

To what?

To drill.

I said, How can I let someone who's not an archaeologist, who's not a scientist, to drill?

No way.

But recently, I found out the rise of the water table in front of the Sphinx.

And I was really afraid that the water could damage the Sphinx.

And I brought a team from Cairo University and we did drill 30

to 35 feet underneath the Sphinx, everywhere.

And I do have photos

of everywhere under the Sphinx.

The Sphinx is a solid rock or a living rock and there is nothing underneath.

So there's no tunnels.

No tunnels.

Exactly.

I told you what I was saying.

What do you think about Robert Schock and his theory about the temple and the erosion outside of the Sphinx?

That's water erosion.

When Schock

said that,

okay,

we brought through the American Research Center

a scientist from

Louisville University.

I don't remember his name now.

And we...

gave him what Robert Schock.

You know what Robert Schock said?

It's not his theory.

It's a theory of a new age guy who talked about this before, and Jean-Anton West brought

I don't remember.

Then we gave

this guy from Louisville University, he was an Indian American who really studied.

He came to the Sphinx and he worked with us for a season.

And he came and we published many articles that the erosion that you see outside and inside the Sphinx is from wind and not from water.

Now,

what Shock want to say that this is dated back 15,000 years ago, I agree.

Okay, if I came here and I dug the Sphinx,

I will leave something.

Then what I did, we dug an area northeast of the Sphinx.

I found Levin, Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom,

New Kingdom, Roman, nothing underneath.

Then this New Age people say that the head of the Sphinx is very small comparing to the body.

Yes, why?

If you take all the casing stones away from the Sphinx, you'll find exactly here

the Sphinx.

And now this

and another part like this.

In between, there is a hollow.

Remember, I told you that Giza Plateau is

divided to three levels.

Level one and two is very bad stones, can be seen to the chest of the Sphinx.

Level three, they carved the head from level three.

Then when the Egyptian carved the head to represent the king Kifrin with the copra,

the royal head remiss, they began to make a uh uh alloying body.

Then what they did, they filled this hollow between the two Sphinx pieces with stones.

And they covered the whole body of the Sphinx with stones.

And they did the modeling of the loan body on the covering stones.

And this is why the head is very small comparing the body.

So you think the head was made first, and then the body was made later.

Exactly.

If that's the case, why is the body so much more eroded than the head?

I I told you the body, it is a part of the bad stones.

Bad stones.

So the top one is the horror stones.

Exactly.

So it has a different density to the stones.

That's why the stone and the Sphinx's head is intact and the different

body is

level three.

So it's a different kind of stone

of the body.

And this is why the different...

Because there's layers to it all, and some of the layers are more dense.

The Egyptians wanted to make a loyal body.

They couldn't.

The only way is to cover the body with stones and do the modeling of the lion body on the covering stones.

Can we take two minutes rest?

Yeah, sure.

You want to take a break?

Yes, to go to the bathroom.

Okay, go to the bathroom.

You know where it is?

Yes.

Just go outside, take a left.

We're back.

The Sphinx.

Let's pick up where we left off.

So you were saying that these

other experts that looked at it didn't agree that it was water erosion and said that they think that it was wind.

So what John Anthony West and what Graham Hancock and what Robert Chalk and all these different people are trying to allude to is that perhaps

there was even older stuff that was in Egypt and that the things that you're seeing that are 2500 BC, those are even more recent than the older stuff.

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Tell me about Zeptepe.

What's Zip Teppi?

What's this?

You never heard about.

Have you heard about the like you know about the King's list, right?

The old king's list that goes back 30,000 whatever years.

Who said that?

You never seen it.

It's not in hieroglyphs?

This is not true.

Is that true?

No.

This is a speculation from people who knows nothing about history.

There is nothing king list dated back 30,000 years ago at all.

So why do people keep saying that?

Because they don't know.

It's speculation.

Give me one evidence of that.

The first king list dated back to Dynasty 5.

Only.

I was reading that people were saying that it was a myth that the king's list, even though there is like some hieroglyphics of ancient kings, that these are just mythical tales.

This is not true.

There is no at all

a name that you told me I never heard of this name.

I am an Egyptologist working in Egypt for the last 57 years.

I never heard of this king list at all.

Never?

Never.

You never even heard of it.

Who I have to hear about it because it's not true.

I don't want to waste my time in things like this.

I am a person.

Give me a fact.

So

in the Egyptian, Zeptepi refers to the first time or the first occasion.

Who said that?

This is an AI.

It refers to a mythical golden age of Egypt where gods lived on earth and civilization was in its infancy.

This period is often associated with the beginning of creation and the establishment of societal structures.

You've never heard of that before?

No, and this is not true.

What do you mean it's not true?

I mean,

I'm getting this off the...

No, it never happened at all.

Okay, I'm not saying it happened.

I'm just saying that this is something that's referred to.

It's never be, I never heard about it.

It is not true.

It is not existed

at all.

Even if it doesn't exist, the myth of it exists.

I don't.

Listen, Joel, why do I have to go to a myth of people creating stories?

If you go to Wikipedia, I don't care about Wikipedia.

I understand.

I care about what I see in my eyes as an archaeologist or a philologist.

The world was said to emerge from an infinite, lifeless sea

when the sun rose for the first time in a distant period known as Zeptepi, the first occasion.

Different myths attributed to the creation of different gods, the set of eight primordial deities called Ogdod, the contemplative deity Ptah, and the mysterious transcendent god Amun.

While describing these differences, cosmologies completed or competed to some extent in other ways, they were complementary in different aspects of Egyptian understanding of creation.

It's the Egyptian creation myth.

Fine.

You've never heard of that before?

Never heard of that before.

That seems strange that you didn't hear about that before.

Listen, so I've heard of it before.

Fine, you can hear it.

But I mean, I just found it online.

It's a new age theory.

It's a new age?

Yes.

Listen to me.

I know.

And any Egyptologist who studies Egyptology in the States here, you have universities in UCLA and you have Berkeley and you have John Hopkins and you have every

there is no every Egyptologist here study languages and archaeology.

No one

can

answer what you are talking about.

This is hallucination.

I'm sorry.

This is not true.

It's speculation from people.

But never in Egypt we know the prehistory of Egypt.

We know the pre-dynastic of Egypt.

We know the beginning of civilization.

We know every...

there is no gap in anything that can lit some things like that.

And this is why I never heard of it and I don't want to hear about it.

You don't want to hear about it?

No, why?

Because there is no evidence.

I am a scientist.

I believe in what's written in front of me.

And I believe of a scene that I can see.

But I don't believe on theories like this.

Tell me where it is found and where it is and who published it.

What is the scientist who published it?

What is the ancient who talked about it?

I'd like to know.

That's why I'm asking you.

I've never heard of it.

Well, I'm shocked that you haven't at least heard of it and dismissed it before.

I think that's who you are.

Because it's just a, I think it's a part of the creation myth.

I know, but it's not true.

I received many theories every day.

My mind, Joe now, is really cannot stand all these theories, all of it.

It's too much for me.

It's too much for me.

Got it.

See if you can find anything on that, Jamie, where that myth came from.

Yeah?

Is it a Buval thing?

No.

What I just found is that it came from a...

Who's Buffal?

Buffal is not a scientist.

No, I'm just...

Yeah, I know.

Those people, Yanni,

when someone came to you with a theory, he has to have an Egyptology background.

He has to write a scientific article.

We write all what we discover.

We write articles about them for people to read and criticize and give us opinion.

But I can go to theories like this

that has no basis.

What do you base the dates on?

Do you base it on carbon isotopes?

No, we don't.

We base dating on the evidence that we discover.

Right, but

the planet is based on carbon, right?

No.

I don't believe in carbon date 14 at all.

You don't?

No.

Carbon date 14 never gives an accurate dating.

And this is why I believe, you know, when you discover something,

if you discover a cemetery,

there is two type of datings.

One called absolute

dating.

means that in this cemetery you have a name of a king and a date.

Mean this is absolute.

But if you discover another cemetery and has no dates, then the best thing that we do is to find the artifacts in this cemetery and try to compare it with other dated cemetery.

And you give a data for this.

But you don't believe in carbon-dependent.

You don't believe in carbon-dot 14 at all.

And it's not working.

In Egypt until today,

I have been

excavating also in the Vale of the Kings.

And I discovered major important things that we can talk about.

So if you're going back to the mainstream,

I used radar

in all my excavations.

What do you mean?

And I never had a result by radar.

And carbon date 14,

people use it when there is no date.

But wait a minute, you use radar to date things?

How?

No, I use radar to discover things.

Right.

But what do you use to date them?

I dated, as I told you, two methods of dating.

Most of the dating that for me now in Luxor

is based on evidence.

Like I discovered the Golden City.

It's a major, big, large cemetery,

large settlement, a city.

And you know, this city was chosen.

the most important discovery in the world of year 2021 because this is the first time that we have a big, large city to tell us about the people who made this civilization.

So, how do you know how old the city is?

Exactly.

In the city, we discovered the names everywhere of King Amen Khatub III,

who was the father of Eknaton.

Inside the city, we found many statuets of his queen, Quinti.

We found inscriptions about dried meat stored to celebrate the third Sid Festival of Amu Hatub III.

We found nine royal workshops in the city.

Then the city tells us about the golden age of that king.

It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphic inscription, by many things.

But I'm curious as to why you're skeptical about carbon dating, because I think carbon dating is generally accepted as being

accurate within a certain framework.

But I never used it.

And many people

are very rare to use it in Egypt.

Because in Egypt, mainly we have absolute chronology, we have absolute dating based on inscriptions.

Right, but I thought it was used in Egypt, like to

measure wood that was in mortar

to date the Great Pyramid to 2500 BC.

No,

that was

an experiment to lift the pyramid.

I think it was about 2009,

and

it's not working.

But I didn't see the result.

You haven't seen a result on carbon testing of the mortar of the Great Pyramid?

No.

But the mortar, you can't.

One thing,

the mortar

between the stones.

Right.

This mortar, like

if you take a piece of stone from the pyramid and you try to take Kerbal 14, this piece of stone could be thousands of years in the quarry.

It cannot date a pyramid.

How can you date?

Hold on, hold on.

You don't date stone.

I'm saying if you date mortar,

how can you say accurately that this mortar is dated to the same time of building the pyramid?

Well, you can't, actually.

That's the argument:

there is probably repairs done, right?

Of the pyramid?

Yes.

No, of Greg Pyramid.

There is no

repairs of any restorations.

No dedications, no restorations,

never any accurate evidence that the pyramid was restored

during any period of the Egyptian history.

But there is restoration that goes on even now, though, on the Sphinx, correct?

I did

make 10 years of restoration on the Sphinx.

It's me who did the restoration of the Sphinx for 10 years.

Why did you decide to do that?

Because the Sphinx, when I was

left,

I was studying in the States.

I came to take my doctorate from the University of Pennsylvania from 1980.

From 1980 to 1987,

some

architect and archaeologists were really stupid.

They began to restore the Sphinx and they took all the casing stones of the Sphinx out and they put modern stones and they used cement.

You cannot use cement in the restoration.

You can use cement in building building a house.

Yeah, that's not even restoration.

This is a new creation.

When I came, I stopped this restoration.

Okay.

And

because

this restoration damaged completely the proportions of the Sphinx.

It brings to you another Sphinx.

Right.

Ugly.

A few months later, there was a stone

restored in the

shoulder of the Sphinx and it fell down

in February.

It was raining.

And always people use

the Sphinx for politics.

The Sphinx?

The Sphinx.

For politics?

Yeah, if they were.

I tell you, it happened the first time

in the Pharaonic period.

You know, the area beside the Sphinx was called the Valley of Gazelles.

And the princes

of the New Kingdom used to come to hunt wild animals in the valley and come to worship the Sphinx.

And this story that I'm telling you is written in a granite stela.

It's called the dream stela located now between the two poles of the sphinx.

In the stela it says that Totmus IV was a prince

and he came to have a have a to have a nap beside the Sphinx.

And the Sphinx came to him in dream and told him, My son, if you remove the sand away, I will make you the king of Egypt.

Then he moved the sand

and he

came to a temple, he found a door.

What year was this?

This is

3,000 years ago, exactly.

So the Sphinx was constructed long before that.

Before the Orchino.

And then it had been covered in sand.

Yes, completely.

This is why Herodotus, the father of the history, when he came to Egypt in the middle of the fifth century BC,

he never talked about the Sphinx because it's completely under the sand.

Then Rutotmuth IV came, he took the sand away, and he found that the old kingdom, casing blocks, are falling down.

He put them back.

And he went to the Sphinx.

a temple nearby.

He took this granite steel as a door and he wrote this story in it.

But we found there is something politics in that story.

He killed his elder brother,

who was supposed to be the king of Egypt.

And he wrote this story to tell the Egyptian

that

the God,

Hurim Achet, Horus of the Horizon, it shows me to be the king of Egypt.

Then they will forgive the crime that he did.

When that stone fell down in 1988,

a big fight happened between the head of antiquities and the minister of culture.

Ended

by firing the head of antiquities.

It's politics.

I stayed 10 years.

When people ask me about the best thing that I did in my life, I say two things.

Number one, that I restored the Sphinx.

I brought the proportions of the Sphinx back.

And I restored the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the steep pyramid.

It was falling down.

In 14 years, I made major important conservation and restoration.

And I tell people, why do we have to fight all the time about the age of the pyramid?

We have to fight, we have to cooperate, all of us, to restore these monuments.

And the most important thing is for me always is conservation.

And I dedicate most of my life not only to the excavation, but to conservation.

What do you think the arguments are that predate the, that try to push the date back

of the construction of the pyramids?

I never heard of this.

You've never heard of this before?

No?

No, it's only new.

It's a theories from the new age.

But I know I saw a debate with you.

I saw a debate with you and Graham Hancock and there was another archaeologist.

But hold on, hold on.

The other archaeologist was saying, if you're saying that something happened 10,000 years ago, where is the evidence of any civilization from 10,000 years ago?

Exactly.

But then you found Gopekli Tepe.

So Gobekli Tepe was buried over 11,000 years ago.

That's not true.

I never heard about this.

What do you mean it's not true?

It's not true what I told you about.

What is not true?

It's never true.

Gopekli Tepe?

We never discovered this at all.

Wait a minute.

Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey.

Okay.

Oh, in Turkey.

Yes.

Yes.

Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey.

I know.

It's more than 11,000 years old.

It's very complex stone structures.

Fine, Fine, fine.

But this was the evidence.

Hold on.

This is the evidence in the argument.

The argument was there was no evidence of an ancient civilization from 10,000 plus years ago.

This is before the discovery of Gobeklitepe.

Gobekli Tepe gets discovered, known to be more than 11,000 years ago.

That changes everything.

Because now we know.

Yes, it does.

That's the thing.

Hold on.

Because now we know there was an advanced civilization capable of a spectacular construction 11,000 plus years ago.

This is what.

Listen.

look at the archaeologists in

Turkey or in any civilization.

Okay.

That's not true.

Gobekli Tepe is universally accepted as being more than 11,000 years old.

I am talking now about Egypt.

I'm not talking about the world.

No, I understand, but the argument was that there was never any ancient civilization capable of spectacular construction 10,000 years ago.

Now that they showed Gobekli Tepe is more than 11,000 years old, they know for sure that's not true.

Okay, but now I'm talking about the pyramids of Egypt.

I have the evidence, the written,

we found everything about that.

We know the dating.

And I give you hundreds of evidence that this pyramid built by Kufu are capable of.

No, I'm not saying it wasn't.

I'm not saying it wasn't.

What I'm saying is.

Any civilization older than we know

is still in the same spot.

We have always.

So how does ancient Egypt emerge?

Emerge.

How does it emerge and go from zero to pyramids?

Okay, we have...

Do you have, can you listen to me?

Yeah.

We have prehistoric Egypt.

Right.

And we have the old Stone Age.

Middle Stone Age.

Neolithic.

When the Egyptians began to know about agriculture.

and they began to live together in communities.

Then, after that, we came to the pre-dynastic, when a king called Narmar

in dynasty zero,

he began to make unification of the upper and lower Egypt until one king called Mina or Horaha who united completely.

And what year was this?

This is what was 3000 BC,

5,000 years ago.

In a place called Abairis, they built huge mud brick tombs.

Huge.

From mud brick.

No stones.

And these tombs are created in a site called Abairis.

You know, what's really fascinating about this is that 500 years, you think about that,

how different just modern civilization was 500 years ago.

500 years ago, we had almost none of the inventions we have today.

We had no internal combustion engine, you know, no hardened steel, none of the things that we have.

And now, look what we have with electronics.

Now, imagine what the Egyptians were able to do in 500 years

in a different way in construction with stone.

That their advancements weren't like our advancements, but their advancements were equally spectacular, just in a different way.

Okay.

Now I come back to the mud-brick structure.

This is in dynasty one

and two.

On dynasty three

came a king called Zosser.

He had a genius architect.

His name is Imhotep.

I am searching.

Did you hear about Imhotep before?

Yes.

I'm searching for his tomb.

Only two weeks ago, before I came, I made a major important discovery in Egypt.

I found a tomb of a son of a king inside incredible statues of Zoser and his father and his queens and his children.

Where is this tomb?

In the shadow of Zoser.

And this really made me, because I have been searching for the tomb of Im Hotep most of my life.

But the area that I found this tomb,

it was under houses, modern houses.

Oh wow.

The workmen who work in the site, one hundred years ago, they built houses in the site, but they never excavated what's underneath the houses.

Wow.

So, modern houses, and underneath there is an ancient tomb.

Six months ago, we gave houses to these people in another area, and we demolished these houses.

And we found underneath major discoveries.

This discovery will be in today's show this week.

Now,

I am sure now that Im Hotep's

is in this area.

Wow.

Now I come to the bottom of the city.

What technology can you use to discover these underground caverns and chambers?

All what I do

is digging.

That's it?

That's it.

What if these Italian guys are onto something?

You can find more stuff.

I want you to come to see what I do and what I discover.

I want to.

I want to discover

Italians, too.

And what I discover, I can show it to you.

Please do.

Jamie, Zeb Tepe, did you find anything about that?

About that?

Where are the origins of that?

Maybe a book from 1960, and I couldn't figure out how he got there.

It's probably a long slodge through information and try to get to the root of it.

But can we continue with how it happened until you have the pyramids?

Sure.

Then Im Hotep came and he built the same mastaba.

Mastaba in Arabic means a bench.

He built the construction in mud brick

of stone

for the first time.

And he added more sections to the first one.

And he put above that five mastabas.

It's called the step

pyramid.

In the pyramid text.

That's the first one.

In the pyramid text, they say that the step pyramid is a stairs that the king is buried underneath to go to heaven.

And this one was how many years before the Great Pyramid?

It's

almost 700 years.

So obviously it's not nearly as sophisticated as the Great Pyramid.

So in 700 years, they just got way better at it.

Listen,

now

on Daraster III, there is another pyramid that was found.

And only

I found recently

that I did not excavate it completely.

I found a pyramid, which is the end of Dynasty III, of a king called Honey.

Then now we came to Sinephro.

His name is Horny?

Honey.

Honey.

Honey.

Okay.

H-U-N-I.

Okay.

Then we come to Dynasty 4, Sinefro.

Okay.

Sinefro had a genius architect.

His name was Nephir Mat.

Then he started...

Sounds like a good name for a genius.

Yeah, he started to build a a steep pyramid like this in a site called Maidoum.

But for a reason we do not know, he left it unfinished.

And he went to a place called Dashur.

He

built the pyramid with a huge angle.

And he changed the angle.

It became bent.

And he built another pyramid.

If you look at the other pyramid of the father of Kufu, it's exactly equivalent to the Great Pyramid.

This is the first true pyramid, but people

never go to Rashur to look at this pyramid.

People always look at Kufu.

Then you have in dynasty 4, the pyramids were huge

because of the quality of the stones.

In dynasty 5 and 6, there is no good quality of stones.

Then the Egyptian

made decrease on the volume of the stones and did increase in the volume of the war reliefs.

Temples began to be decorated with scenes for the first time.

In the Middle Kingdom, another trend.

Mud, brick, pyramid, but underneath, maze corridors

of stones that if you go down, you will lose your way.

In the new kingdom,

they built uh they came in the top of the valley of the kings, a shape of the pyramid, and they buried all the kings like King Tat and others underneath the pyramid.

Shape.

So that's the story.

That's the story.

All right.

But listen, man, it's been fascinating talking to you, and I definitely am going to take you up in your offer, and I'm definitely going to go to Egypt.

No, now we'll talk.

Now we'll talk.

We'll talk to

you.

Send me a video so we can splice it in of the hieroglyphs that are on the wall.

We'll send that, right?

I will send it tomorrow.

Okay.

But

give the email to Gregor and Mustafa now.

We will do that.

And they are the people that will talk to them now to arrange for your trip.

Okay.

And I will invite you for a good time.

How many days do you think I should go?

Ten days at least.

Jim, you gotta come.

Okay.

You wanna do a podcast from there?

Sure.

Just you and me?

Let us do one inside the great pyramid.

Yeah, definitely.

100%.

Okay.

With the echoey, though.

Oh, here's another problem with the idea that these Italians are proposing.

Isn't there a water table under the pyramid that's like a million years old?

No.

There's not water underneath there?

No.

This is the Osiris shaft that was full of water.

So is that what Mr.

Beast was swimming in?

Exactly.

But where's that water coming from?

It's a water table.

Oh, there is a water table.

This shaft, this shaft,

I came, I brought a company, and we did did suck all the water out.

Oh.

Until I found underneath a sarcophagus and four pillars.

Oh, wow.

And this is the symbolic burial of the God Osiris.

Because Giza Plateau was called in the New Kingdom Per-Uzir Nebrastau, the house of Osiris, Lord of Rastau.

Rastau means cemetery, but literally means the underground tunnels.

That Osiris is ruling.

Then Herodotus, when he came, he talked about this water under the pyramid.

It is in the shaft.

And this one beast entered inside and

swamming.

Okay.

You know, I met him because I wanted to convince the young people that pyramids were not built by aliens.

That's why I took him to three Media.

I don't know.

I don't understand the alien thing.

I think super advanced culture, super advanced.

And I think the Library of Alexandria burning is probably one of the greatest disasters.

Many people in America believe that you believe in aliens.

When I talk to them, that I'm coming to see you.

That I believe in aliens?

They do.

Well, I'm not opposed to the idea of aliens existing.

There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe, each with hundreds of billions of stars.

The idea that we're uniquely alone.

You don't think there's anything out there?

Nothing.

So you don't believe in ancient civilizations capable of advanced construction?

You don't believe in aliens.

Joe, I am a scientist.

You don't believe in carbon dating.

I am a scientist.

Oh.

If you believe in something, write an article.

Then I can read, but don't give me a theory.

But the theory.

The planets containing intelligent life is.

No, that's not true.

I have been debating Graham Hancock, Robert Bafal, and John Antony West, and I told them from the beginning, your theory will go with the wind.

Right, but we're not talking about that theory.

We're talking about aliens being possible.

No way.

No aliens, just us.

This is the national

in the whole universe.

Only us.

If you believe in God,

you will do miracles.

The Egyptian

believed in the afterlife, and they made this great civilization.

I'm not saying aliens made it.

I'm saying it's very possible there's something else out there in the world.

Thank you.

All right.

Thank you.

All right.

Goodbye, everybody.

Enjoyed talking to you.

I enjoyed it too.

And I'll see you in Egypt.

Bye, everybody.