#2369 - Ed Calderon

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Speaker 1 Art Bell was the best driving home from the comedy store at like one o'clock in the morning, hearing some dude who claimed he was a time traveler. Remember when he, uh,

Speaker 1 there was a dude that claimed to work at Area 51 and then it cut out the

Speaker 1 radio show cut out? Yeah, that was a good one.

Speaker 1 Art was the man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's why we put that photo up there. Because he was, you know, a lot of the subjects that we covered, he was the original guy talking about these things on the radio.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the fact that he just kept the open lines. If you're a time traveler, if you're a time traveler, just call in and

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Like, no matter what, Art was like, interesting. Tell me more.
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Speaker 1 Like, he was open to just talking to anyone. It was great.
He never called bullshit. No.

Speaker 1 No. So So the last time I saw you, you gave me an Aztec death whistle, and Brian Callen blew it on the air, and it caused the pandemic.
He was very good at it out of nowhere. He just grabbed it and

Speaker 1 we have another one. Oh, no.
Don't look at this. Probably.

Speaker 1 Luke Caverns gave us this one. Yeah.
That's a good one, right? That is a beautiful one. Probably.
Let's not repeat it.

Speaker 1 I'm not blowing it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's true or not true, but it's an odd coincidence.

Speaker 1 It definitely was. I got a lot of messages about it.
Like, hey,

Speaker 1 this was kind of coincidentally at the start of this pandemic. Like,

Speaker 1 don't put this on me. Listen, man, people have been blowing them whistles all over the world.
Yeah. There's a bunch of those whistles out there.
There's no way. There's no way.

Speaker 1 The only thing is I don't think anybody ever blew one on a podcast that was seen by millions of people. I mean, you were directly responsible for those to become this viral popular thing.

Speaker 1 No, like few people knew about them, but they became this international thing now. Like, everybody talks about death whistles now because of it.
Yeah, well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 They are weird. The sound is creepy.
Yeah. You know?

Speaker 1 Definitely weird. Ghostly.
Yeah, if you heard dudes in the distance making that noise and you knew that people were after you and you heard that, you'd be like, oh, fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It definitely keeps you up at night.

Speaker 1 Seeing people do pranks with them, just screaming them randomly in the middle of the night in the street, people running around. What is the origin of that?

Speaker 1 Like, Aztec death whistles, like, when did they start using them? Does anybody know? People keep finding them.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 Aztec is a modern word for Mexica, which were a bunch of tribes that moved from northern, you know, northern America down there.

Speaker 1 And they brought with them a lot of customs, but I think those were around before them.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of them emulated animals. So it a lot of it was like shamanistic, people trying to in view themselves with the spirit of an animal.

Speaker 1 So a lot of them, you know, have jaguar sounds coming out.

Speaker 1 But some of the ones that with the scream, apparently, they're more about the screeching owls that live down there.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 they've been like people have told me, native people down there have told me that they were very much specifically kind of utilized for psychological effect. Just to fuck with people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, make them not sleep. During these flower wars,

Speaker 1 they would have with the, I think, the classical Tecans, they had this agreement where they would go and try and capture people to bring back to the pyramid to sacrifice.

Speaker 1 And a way they would

Speaker 1 tire them is to blow those at night where they were encapsed or

Speaker 1 the places where they were about to attack. So they

Speaker 1 lose sleep with those.

Speaker 1 Like a few hundred of those just.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people can be really devious.

Speaker 1 Yeah. When they know how to mess with your head.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Mexica,

Speaker 1 people glorify a lot of people from Mexico, like everybody's Aztec. You're probably not Aztec.
You're probably some other tribe that didn't lose that initial conquest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of badass dudes have like Aztec tattoos on their back and stuff like that. But that's the losing side, though.

Speaker 1 The Spanish came and allied themselves with everybody that hated the Aztecs.

Speaker 1 Including the Tlascaltecans who were apparently like badasses.

Speaker 1 The Aztecs used to send tax collectors out to them and apparently one of them didn't come back, according to one story. And the soldiers came over and were like, hey, where's our tax collector?

Speaker 1 Let's feed you before we talk about anything. So they fed them pozole.

Speaker 1 And at the end of the meal, they were like, well, you can take your people back with you. Where are they? You just ate them.
They were in the stew.

Speaker 1 And those are the guys that the Spanish allied with to

Speaker 1 fight against the Mexica. Jesus.

Speaker 1 The history of Mexico is so strange. I mean, it's so long and storied, and there's so many chapters of it that are very confusing because, like, where'd the Mayans go?

Speaker 1 Like, when they found the Aztec pyramids, people weren't even living in them when the people that eventually wound up living in them.

Speaker 1 They found them.

Speaker 1 Teotihuacan,

Speaker 1 which they call the it's basically the city of the gods, is what the Aztecs call them because they didn't it was abandoned when they went through. Which is nuts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were the Aztecs in essence were violent immigrants coming from the north into into the south, which is pretty interesting foresight, you know.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the the city was abandoned completely.

Speaker 1 And when they passed through, it was the city of the gods. They call the pyramid of the sun the moon, but realistically nobody knows what those pyramids are for.

Speaker 1 And when they made their way into the valley of Mexico, there were already a bunch of tribes already there and peoples, older peoples.

Speaker 1 So Mexico has an ancient history.

Speaker 1 People that want to assume that the Aztecs are ancient history don't know anything about history. They're pretty new on the scene as far as history when it comes to Mexico.
Which is really crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And it's really crazy that most modern people don't even, I mean, especially in America, don't even understand that the reason why everybody speaks Spanish is because of the Spaniards.

Speaker 1 It's not that the Mexican native language was Spanish. No.
No, it was the language they assumed once they were conquered. And there's a bunch of lost languages.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Something interesting happened with them. And Hernan Cortez and the conquista and the Spanish are all perfect villains in history.
I guess.

Speaker 1 It's perfect, man, if you kind of look at it from the outside perspective. Colonial invasion.

Speaker 1 But when you look at at it, I mean, they were just getting off their own conquest. They were conquested by the Moors.

Speaker 1 So they were getting free from that. So they were already mixed in there.
There were brown people on that boat. It's not blonde-haired white people coming on that boat.

Speaker 1 There's already brown people on that boat coming.

Speaker 1 Hernan Cortez is very much painted as a villain in this story.

Speaker 1 when you kind of look at the ways that the conquest took place in Mexico versus other parts of the world,

Speaker 1 there was a lot of brutality. There was a lot of ignorance, a lot of religious nonsense on both sides because the Aztecs also did a lot of horrible things.

Speaker 1 But in the end, I think Mexico went

Speaker 1 the route of mestizaje. We decided to mix.

Speaker 1 Like the Spanish decided to take wives among the natives.

Speaker 1 They decided to give honorary titles to the people that helped fight the Aztecs to help with the conquest of what wasn't Mexico, was just this valley at that time.

Speaker 1 And it gave birth to this culture this mixed culture that very much hates parts of itself which is a weird part of Mexican culture because you ask anybody in Mexico a lot of people and I went to Mexican school so I got a lot of this education of how the evil Spanish came and wiped out all of the natives you know or most of the natives when

Speaker 1 In reality,

Speaker 1 a lot of us in Mexico have mixed blood. Most of us have mixed blood.
There's a lot of Spanish blood in us. So we were very much taught to hate ourselves in a way.

Speaker 1 And I think that has something to do with a lot of the psychology and the culture in Mexico. There's a whole part of our history and ourselves that we hate, but it's essential.

Speaker 1 We say

Speaker 1 the president of Mexico, the past president, the current president, are all about

Speaker 1 sending

Speaker 1 the king of Spain letters to have him apologize for the conquista.

Speaker 1 and it's funny like some of the bloggers from Spain will respond like you're you're you're asking that in Spanish yeah right and you're probably an ancestor of those very people so it's kind of you more than us yeah because we didn't even go over there we're still here yes yes and

Speaker 1 well right and people ask where the Mayas went they're there You go down there, you meet them. They look Maya.
Exactly like the paintings. If you've ever been to the

Speaker 1 Anthropological Museum in Mexico, which I highly ask people to go and visit, it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 They have a whole mine exhibit there. And it's like startling how their culture was so advanced,

Speaker 1 so detailed, so detailed-orientated.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the whole feeling of them just being gone or disappearing as a mystery. But then you go down there and you see these people there.

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Yeah, they look very different. It's interesting.
You know, I went to

Speaker 1 Chichen Itza, and first of all, you just,

Speaker 1 I mean, I know that the pyramids of Egypt dwarf even that, but when you go there, you're like, what happened? Yeah. Like, how did you guys do this?

Speaker 1 Like, how are you building these immense stone structures in the jungle

Speaker 1 way

Speaker 1 before Europeans ever settled into America? Like, way before there was anything like this anywhere else. A lot of strong backs, a lot of work ethic, you know, there's no doubt.

Speaker 1 There's no doubt there was a lot of that, but there was also a lot of like incredibly sophisticated engineering. Yeah.
Like this isn't just like a one-time project. You got it right the first time.

Speaker 1 Like how were you guys so good at, like, when you look at the Chichen Itza pyramids, where you can't walk up them anymore, unfortunately. But

Speaker 1 you'll get lynched. Yeah, you get in big trouble.
But when I was there back in the day, you could climb up them. This is like, I guess, early 2000, and you were allowed to walk up that.

Speaker 1 But they'll fuck you up now. There's been videos of people doing things, and then

Speaker 1 they'll get lynched at the bottom if you manage to climb that thing right now.

Speaker 1 There's a watch guy all the way on the top and a bunch of dogs always on. That's a weird thing about all pyramids.
I don't know why dogs like hanging out up there. Oh, really? Yeah.
Like the one

Speaker 1 in...

Speaker 1 and the Sun Pyramid in Mexico, there's always dogs on top of it. And this one, there's also always dogs on top of it.

Speaker 1 And feral dogs or domestic dogs? Just wild dogs? Just hang out by there.

Speaker 1 But I mean, when you see these things, like, give us some of the images of

Speaker 1 when you see some of these, there's some dogs. When you see some of these pyramids like that, like

Speaker 1 that's so different. I mean, that is so sophisticated.
It's so bizarre. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We had a really good guide there when I went, and the guide was showing us this one area where they would take whatever psychedelic plants.

Speaker 1 They had like some ceremonial room where they would take psychedelic plants. And

Speaker 1 he was telling me that it's not totally understood what they were doing or why they were doing, but it is widely accepted that some of what they were into had to do with psychedelic rituals.

Speaker 1 And he thinks that had a lot to do with why they were able to make these kind of insanely complex structures.

Speaker 1 And a weird thing that I've also kind of like realized after just talking to people and going down there and kind of seeing some of the artifacts a lot of the psychedelics that they actually took were self-harm and mutilation bloodletting type thing type activities really yeah a lot of the Aztec priests

Speaker 1 you see the pictures of them

Speaker 1 pulling a cord with thorns through

Speaker 1 their private parts

Speaker 1 trying to trying to

Speaker 1 trying to invoke in them these uh

Speaker 1 i don't know visions so just being in such extreme pain in such a bizarre state of mind that you transcend yeah which is which which matched up perfectly with some of the catholic uh worldviews when they when they arrived uh when when you when you look at a lot of the culture specifically in mexico you see that

Speaker 1 they met they met kind of like a a perfect culture like they matched in a lot of ways when the catholics arrived yeah uh The Mexicans were venerating a mother goddess

Speaker 1 at a grotto area in Mexico. That's where the

Speaker 1 basilica is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, these some of the rituals. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 What's going on with that? They're calling these

Speaker 1 things. Yeah, but they're spine, porky spine, something spine.
Yeah. Yeah.
They're coming out of that area. And there's a.
Oh, that's wrapped around his dick? That looks like it.

Speaker 1 It's pretty close to that area. A lot of people want to go take.

Speaker 1 A lot of lot of people want to go take ayahuasca down there, but I don't see a lot of this probably coming back. Or maybe, I don't know.
But

Speaker 1 that's a big part of what they also did. A lot of

Speaker 1 bloodletting, pain.

Speaker 1 A lot of human sacrifice, too. Yes.

Speaker 1 Which a lot of people in Mexico are now, oh, it's a big exaggeration. It's like a propaganda denial.
And then you go there and there's like

Speaker 1 stone skull piles. commemorating whatever war and depictions of them in CODCs that they themselves made of just getting

Speaker 1 sacrificed people on top of pyramids, pulling out their hearts. Well, that was that one statue that's on top of the pyramid that's like a bench.

Speaker 1 They were explaining to me that that's where they would sacrifice people.

Speaker 1 I mean

Speaker 1 it makes sense.

Speaker 1 Even the way that in the art it's depicted, you can't fake that.

Speaker 1 Most people would think you would go through the rib cage to get at the heart. No, they go through the diaphragm right down here.

Speaker 1 So that's why there's a a lot of depictions of some of these gods, like Mikantle Cutli, which is the lord of the underworld in the Aztecs.

Speaker 1 Sometimes it's depicted with a skeletal form with its hands spread out like this, and you'll see a split diaphragm at the bottom coming out underneath its rib cage as a signifier that, you know, that's well, they go up to grab the heart.

Speaker 1 That's where they go up to grab the heart.

Speaker 1 Show that sculpture, that sculpture, that flat bench sculpture that is like a man. It looks like he's sitting on his hands and knees, but with his, you know, torso faced upward.
That one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was the one they were explaining to me. And again, I imagine that a lot of these things, I mean, you have to interpret because there are things out there that I don't understand.

Speaker 1 But I know blood was very essential and it was an essential thing for these cultures. It's one of the most powerful offerings you can make.

Speaker 1 And a lot of the Catholic side of things that came into the country, that came into this area just intermingled perfectly.

Speaker 1 They were also talking about a god that

Speaker 1 look at those skulls in the corner right next to your cursor in the middle there.

Speaker 1 Right there.

Speaker 1 Where the capital of Mexico is right now, there's a big cathedral behind it.

Speaker 1 There's the Templo Mayor, the major temple of the Aztec Empire.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of those types of symbologies around it, just skulls, because that's where they would have the Sempantli, I think it's called. Sorry if I butchered the word.

Speaker 1 They would have these racks of skulls skulls on top of the pyramids, on top of their central pyramid, kind of displaying all of the people that had gone, you know,

Speaker 1 off it. And what was the story? Was it the completion of Tenochtitlan or one of the Aztec pyramids where they sacrificed 80,000 slaves

Speaker 1 over whoever they had?

Speaker 1 I've heard numbers of 50,000. I have no idea how you would kind of figure out those numbers.
Right. But you do get accounts of some of the Spanish

Speaker 1 conquistadors describing the smell that some of these pyramids had.

Speaker 1 Which, if you were into a kill house, like a like a slaughterhouse,

Speaker 1 yeah. It's like it's an uncanny.
And there's something about human tallow that I've also smelled and and blood that is very

Speaker 1 distinct. I mean, yeah,

Speaker 1 we're monkeys and we probably have some genetic memory of what that smell is, and it makes us want to run, I guess.

Speaker 1 Um and and they describe the smell on on some of these pyramids when they when they when they finally got into the city um

Speaker 1 the city

Speaker 1 don't get me wrong the aztec empire like the spanish uh peasants coming off that boat were like awestruck of when they saw this city yeah like it had water coming into it um it super complex sisters complex uh just this this

Speaker 1 uh structure and culture that was un uncontested there. So when they when they got there, they're looking

Speaker 1 And completely different than anything European. Yeah.
So they came over here and they're like, what is going on in

Speaker 1 this part of the world?

Speaker 1 What are you guys doing?

Speaker 1 How do you have so much gold?

Speaker 1 Well, there was some gold.

Speaker 1 I mean, you hear these stories about the city of gold and stuff like that. There was gold there,

Speaker 1 but they valued other things.

Speaker 1 That wasn't their main central thing. So it was a kind of puzzle about why they were so interested in some of the golden regalia that they had.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 when the conquest kind of like finally kind of subsided and

Speaker 1 the parties that lost were all being divided up because that's what happened.

Speaker 1 Lords within this same culture became allies of the allies of the invading forces. And when they won, they were like, you're now the title owner or the leader of this area.

Speaker 1 And here's the royal decree. What is this, Jamie? Oh, yeah.
Sacrificial stone. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's in the music. 60,000 human sacrifice.
Holy God.

Speaker 1 You can see where the blood was channeled to drip down from that.

Speaker 1 I think this is... I'm not sure if this is the one, but there was one stone where they would tie somebody onto the stone, and he would fight several people until he finally died.

Speaker 1 It's like a, I don't know, it's like a sacrifice of other, like a fighting sacrifice. It was a different type of sacrifice they did.
Human intelligence applied to cruelty is very bizarre.

Speaker 1 It's very bizarre when you see

Speaker 1 torture. Yeah.
Torture, just that kind of stuff. Just what people would do for just pure entertainment or ritual or to,

Speaker 1 I mean, because everyone's afraid to die. So you just show death in the worst form, in the most cruel and uncaring, sacrificial form in front of everybody.

Speaker 1 Children, cutting people's hearts out while they're still alive. It just keeps everybody on.
It's a spectacle. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Where all of Native Americans were like peaceful and it was like a utopia

Speaker 1 before they came in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the one that really bothers people when they want this binary sort of analysis of North America. You know, the white people were bad and evil, which for sure they were.

Speaker 1 And they came over here and there's this good people that were just living off the land in harmony. Like,

Speaker 1 not really. In fact, they were killing each other.
Not only that, that was their favorite thing to do. Where we are right now, the Comanches, all those motherfuckers did was eat meat.

Speaker 1 They didn't have any artwork. They didn't have anything other than bows and arrows.
That's all they made. They made teepees, they made bows and arrows, and they fucked everybody up.

Speaker 1 And their favorite thing was to go to nearby tribes and kill everybody. That was their fun time.
They loved to. And they would...
torture people in the most horrific ways.

Speaker 1 In Empire of the Summer Moon, which is an amazing book on the Comanche, from right in this spot.

Speaker 1 And they would take people that they captured, they would cut their arms and legs off while they were alive.

Speaker 1 So they would hold them down, immediately hack their arms and legs off, and then throw them on a bonfire to watch them wiggle.

Speaker 1 Fucking yo.

Speaker 1 Like, you gotta be.

Speaker 1 That's dark. Yeah, that's that's bloodlust.
I don't know what that is. I mean, if you, let's say, let's say they did that in front of the enemy, the enemy that they just conquered.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, they would keep one guy alive to watch and then let him go. Yeah, go tell everybody.
Psychological

Speaker 1 operations. So everybody else gets butchered.
One guy they let go. You go tell everybody.
No. We're out here.
No.

Speaker 1 No. And also, like, if you think about it, some of the horrors that are still happening down south, which is, we just sent me this message last night of these

Speaker 1 six or seven.

Speaker 1 I'll send it to Jamie.

Speaker 1 because it's uh pretty crazy how often this stuff happens down in Mexico and how little of it we ever hear about it.

Speaker 1 We we don't really hear too much about these uh insane mass murders that take place down there. There was a there was a beheading in in in uh

Speaker 1 down down in Mexico and it was um

Speaker 1 it's a it's it's a safe or not a historically safe part of Mexico um that where this type of stuff doesn't happen that much, but uh

Speaker 1 things are changing rapidly down there. It's evolving quickly.

Speaker 1 The culture that we have down there,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I do believe that there's some sort of genetic memory.

Speaker 1 I bet there is. It makes sense.
I think there's genetic memory.

Speaker 1 Six severed head founds on the side of the road, the chilling message in one of Mexico's safest regions. And what part of Mexico is this?

Speaker 1 I think this is

Speaker 1 Puebla

Speaker 1 region, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Puebla and Clascala. I mean, it's a beautiful place.
If you go to Puebla, visit Puebla, guys. It's beautiful.
But this is. Just don't be there at the wrong time.

Speaker 1 Just don't work for the cartels, I guess.

Speaker 1 The act, so this is an interesting thing that I heard long ago from somebody.

Speaker 1 One of the first jobs I did was

Speaker 1 cut somebody off a bridge.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 one of the older guys that was with me,

Speaker 1 I was like horrified

Speaker 1 by this kid, you know, 16, 17-year-old kid,

Speaker 1 told me, oh, they're being kind.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, what's kind about leaving somebody hanging from a fucking bridge naked?

Speaker 1 His family's going to get something to bury at least.

Speaker 1 So it dawned on me that that was an act of kindness. So having somebody beheaded is even so normal.

Speaker 1 It's even crueler. Yeah.
Because now

Speaker 1 they have no body to bury. And there's a lot of coffins with just a head or not even that in Mexico buried in the ground.

Speaker 1 But just think of how insane it has to be to where hanging someone from a bridge is an act of kindness because at least you could find the body.

Speaker 1 It is the evolution of what is considered normal in Mexico.

Speaker 1 People will get shot

Speaker 1 by the dozens.

Speaker 1 People will get displayed in this horrific, and people will just go back to work.

Speaker 1 That's every day. And that's the scary part of it, I think, for most of the people that live down there is how normalized it has become.

Speaker 1 It's not an abnormal thing to hear some of these things.

Speaker 1 And this is not, in terms of America, our understanding of Mexico and cartel culture, this is not something that was ever talked about when I was in high school.

Speaker 1 It was never talked about when I was a young man. It never came up.
It wasn't a thing in the news. Cartel violence was not.

Speaker 1 I think the first time people started getting an inkling of this was in the 90s when the phenomenon of this guy, Adolfo Constanzo, happened.

Speaker 1 This was on the border between Texas and Juarez area. He was, they called him the narco satanico, the Satanist narc.

Speaker 1 He was a high-level practitioner of something called Palo and Santeria.

Speaker 1 And he would do rituals for people, like in cartels. And he started his own cartel because he was pretty successful at social engineering and folk magic, basically, is what he was doing.

Speaker 1 And at some point, he started believing in his power. And he instructed some of the members of his gang to abduct an American because he needed a brain for his

Speaker 1 cauldron where he would do some of these rituals. And I think that's the first time Americans got a little, like a

Speaker 1 small glimpse of the underground brutality, monster, religious occultism,

Speaker 1 and just torture and murder that has been going on down there for many years.

Speaker 1 But it has gotten really bad in the past 20, 30 years. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: So this has always been going on?

Speaker 1 In a lot of ways, yes. Brutality in Mexico has been going on for a while.
But cartel brutality, like when did the cartels really start gaining power?

Speaker 1 I think the 70s, 70s and 80s, is when we start seeing the formation of the first large organizations and federations that are working to produce and/or to traffic substances through Mexico up into the United States.

Speaker 1 Was it originally cocaine?

Speaker 1 Marijuana.

Speaker 1 I think originally heroin actually was at the start or the initiation of a lot of this stuff. And where were they getting the heroin?

Speaker 1 They were planting poppy in the Sierra for the war effort apparently for the Americans because they were they were running out of shortage of morphine so they needed a place to plant it

Speaker 1 and that's one of the places where they kind of started like oh they can grow this here and people started getting ideas this is the Vietnam War yeah around yeah this is

Speaker 1 Vietnam World War II era

Speaker 1 that that's when you started seeing the initiation of like people planting certain things so 40s 50s 60s 50s I'd say 50s yeah wow well it's like vietnam itself is connected to heroin yeah because that that's the dirty secret about why we were interested in that whole area of vietnam and that was a trafficking area yeah and the golden triangle yeah and coincidentally a lot of people got insanely rich somehow or another connected to that But we had to be over there to stop communism or something.

Speaker 1 And it's an interesting point you bring up of Vietnam because it has something to do, do or elements of it remind you of Mexico

Speaker 1 it is Mexico has been a place that has been ruled over by a single party for 80 years

Speaker 1 if if that

Speaker 1 the PRI

Speaker 1 and then it went through its democratic period and now we have other parties coming into play and now you have a ruling party all over Mexico called Morena who is

Speaker 1 you know this is the party of the Vrasos no Valazos that's how they started you know hugs not bullets against the cartel's policy, which allowed them to grow. And also.
Super effective.

Speaker 1 Hugs, not bullets.

Speaker 1 But this is coming off a. Mexico's liberals, too, I guess.
Yes, we do.

Speaker 1 Mexico's three things. Southern Mexico, that's rural Mexico.
Central Mexico, that's where

Speaker 1 all the woke comes from. The capital of Mexico.

Speaker 1 Mexico City. That's where all the gender pronouns get issued into law.
That's where violence against women specifically. And feminicide is now a new thing catalogued under the law.

Speaker 1 You can kill a dude, you're smiling, but if you kill a woman, that's feminicide, which is way worse.

Speaker 1 So that's where

Speaker 1 a lot of that policy comes from. And then northern Mexico, where I'm from, that's where, I guess,

Speaker 1 I don't know, conservative,

Speaker 1 that's where all the factories are. That's where all the people, the

Speaker 1 hard work, hardworking people and

Speaker 1 people that kind of like go the other side of the politics that are woke. That used to be the case, but now Morena is ruling all over the country.
And

Speaker 1 a lot of the policy they're bringing with them are to the left.

Speaker 1 Mexico was very tired from the drug war that it had been going on for 20 years, that I was a part of for 12 of those years.

Speaker 1 They saw Felipe Calderón bring the military into this fight. to fight the cartels and just kicking a giant beehive.

Speaker 1 He had realistically, he really didn't have a clue what he was about to kind of kick off.

Speaker 1 He had the idea that if you just put the military out, you know, which are not corrupted, well, he thought they were not corrupted,

Speaker 1 and you militarized a lot of the policing going on around it,

Speaker 1 you can eliminate all these cartel members like, oh, just this guy's gone, this guy's gone, and we're going to just now secure this area and control. But it's been just basically

Speaker 1 gremlins, you know, one gremlin will turn into four or five. You cut one head off and it's a hydra.
It's just a bunch of heads come out now. So Mexico has been going through that for a while.

Speaker 1 And then this president comes in, Manures Lopez Ovrador,

Speaker 1 with this plan. Like, we'll just leave him alone, and

Speaker 1 they'll stop. Violence will stop because we'll stop fighting them.

Speaker 1 How'd that work?

Speaker 1 He has one of the most violent presidencies in history. His main, he criticizes Calderón, who started the straw war, over his handling of it.

Speaker 1 He outmatches him from death during his administration.

Speaker 1 What we saw in his administration was the

Speaker 1 politicalization, and they were already in politics, but now they're really overt about it. Now cartels are like, they have their own candidates running for office.

Speaker 1 The mayor of a city and the police chief of a city, they're all cartel members. And the police force, they're all cartel members in parts of Mexico.
Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 All of the political killings that happen in Mexico don't happen because there's a bunch of John F. Kennedys out there that are trying to change things, right?

Speaker 1 It's because that cartel is sponsoring that candidate, and this cartel is sponsoring that candidate, so I don't want your candidate to win, so I'm going to go shoot him.

Speaker 1 Well, there was some insane amount of murders during the last election.

Speaker 1 Wasn't it like 30-plus murders? See if you can find out how many murders there was. That sounds about, that's what sounds about right.
It is, again, these criminal organizations have politicized.

Speaker 1 They figured out that, you know, how can we operate in this region without having too much issues? Right.

Speaker 1 Let's make the mayor our guy. Right.
And let's elect the governor.

Speaker 1 And we like to think that we're innocent over here, but how much different is it with what we do with pharmaceutical drug companies sponsoring people?

Speaker 1 Because they pay for people's campaigns, and those people get in with a specific understanding of what kind of laws you need to push through, what kind of mandates you need to make in terms of

Speaker 1 mandating the use of certain medications

Speaker 1 it uh it's a different type of corruption it's a different type of corruption but it's it's it's it's still drugs still drugs yeah

Speaker 1 up to 60 60 politicians in the 2024 general and local elections 60 politicians were assassinated during pre-campaign and campaign periods Fucking yo, imagine if that was going on in America.

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Speaker 1 And it is a clear sign that whatever division people had in their heads about the cartels are this organization here and

Speaker 1 they're not openly at least involved in any of this political stuff and

Speaker 1 no, all that shit's gone.

Speaker 1 Something happened last year.

Speaker 1 The arrest of one of the biggest cartel heads in history from Mexico, El Mayo Sambada.

Speaker 1 He was arrested in Texas. He flew into a private air.
They flew him into a private airfield under pretty interesting circumstances and then

Speaker 1 he handed himself over to the authorities. He was arrested there.
I mean

Speaker 1 that kicked off a lot of violence in Mexico. Why was he willing to fly in? So there's different stories around it.
He's told his own story.

Speaker 1 He's actually talked about this many times openly with his drivers and stuff like that who are driving around. So he just speaks about it.

Speaker 1 He's older now.

Speaker 1 He was a ghost. This is Elmayo Sambada was the legitimate leader of the Sina Loa cartel.
The U.S. would say that it was Chapaguzman.

Speaker 1 Not really. The Sinaloa Cartel was a federation.
And a lot of the bigger,

Speaker 1 older parts of that cartel were kind of headed up by this figure, Elmayo Sambada, who in 50 years was never arrested. Never grabbed, never caught.
You would hear

Speaker 1 about him vaguely in certain circles, but everybody knew that guy is the head of the Sina Loa cartel. Or he's the bigger guy in that organization, which is a federation of groups.

Speaker 1 Last time I was here, it was after the Culia Canaso, the incident where they rescued Ovidio, one of El Chapo's sons.

Speaker 1 Two years ago, they finally got up to him.

Speaker 1 The army did this operation. Same thing happened.
All the cartels burned the city,

Speaker 1 blocked roads and stuff like that. A lot of special operations soldiers died in his arrest, a few of them.

Speaker 1 And he was finally arrested and extradited extradited to the United States.

Speaker 1 Conversations probably happened

Speaker 1 in the United States, with Ovidio, when he was finally in U.S. custody.

Speaker 1 And El Japa Guzman is in a hole, and he's not going to get out of the hole.

Speaker 1 His sons probably figured out that if they don't want to get into a hole, too, they probably need to cut a deal.

Speaker 1 And I think, and the theory is, that that deal probably included handing over the head of the Sina Lama Carter Olmayo Sambada.

Speaker 1 Sought by U.S. law enforcement for more than two decades.
He was taken into custody after arriving in a private plane at Texas airport with Guzman's son, Joaquin Guzman Lopez.

Speaker 1 Guzman Lopez has pleaded not guilty to federal, not guilty, to federal drug trafficking charges in Chicago. His brother, Ovidio Guzman Lopez, pleaded guilty last month.

Speaker 1 Zambada said that he was kidnapped in Mexico and hauled to the U.S. by Guzman Lopez, whose lawyer denies those claims.

Speaker 1 So this is

Speaker 1 the shady stuff that happened.

Speaker 1 Elmayo gets brought into a meeting in Sinaloa by

Speaker 1 Joaquin, who is

Speaker 1 he is not one of the, he's not really into the drug, he's not one of the powerful brothers of the Chapaguzban brothers that are in the drug trade. He's kind of like wanting out, basically.

Speaker 1 So at some point he cuts a deal. And in this deal, he said, I'm going to get this guy on a plane and I'm going to fly him over, you know, and we're going to make a deal.
That's the story.

Speaker 1 He has him, he has El Mayo come into a meeting between the governor of Sinaloa, which is known publicly. People know this.

Speaker 1 The governor of Sinaloa was going to be in the meeting with Elmayo Sambala, the head of Sinaloa Cartel, who is a member of Morena, the current ruling party all over the country.

Speaker 1 Also, no investigation. Also, he's still in power, which is shady as fuck.
Between him and a man named Gwen, who was, I think he was the director of the university there.

Speaker 1 They had some sort of political dispute, and Elmaya was being brought in to,

Speaker 1 I don't know, negotiate or like influence that, which tells you a lot about how the cartels and politics and the universities are tied, right?

Speaker 1 At that meeting, Nemesio Kwen, who is

Speaker 1 Quen, who is the a friend of El Mayo, the guy who's the director of the university, gets killed. They shoot him.

Speaker 1 There's a video published of a gas station shootout where supposedly this man who was the director of the university gets killed. But it's fucking made up by the state prosecutor.

Speaker 1 You know, they're trying to make this shit go away.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, all this stuff starts unraveling. Oh, they abducted Omayo at that meeting, and that's why they killed this guy.

Speaker 1 We don't know, or at least I don't know if there's any specific confirmation that the governor of Sinala was there.

Speaker 1 But he said he went to the U.S., he was in the U.S., he wasn't wasn't there, but there's no travel logs of him being in the U.S.

Speaker 1 It's a sh it's a shit show

Speaker 1 They somehow

Speaker 1 overtake his bodyguards El Mayo's bodyguards. They're gone.
Nobody knows where they went probably dead somewhere

Speaker 1 Got El Mayo on a plane and flew him into Texas

Speaker 1 Homeland Security was apparently involved. FBI says that they may have been involved.

Speaker 1 But I was talk when last time I was here was talking about at some point we're going to see either a direct U.S. intervention or military action in Mexico that's going to kick off things.

Speaker 1 And I think that was it. Wow.
After that happened,

Speaker 1 El Chapo Guzman's sons cut deals. 17 members of the Guzman family

Speaker 1 were secretly flown to Tijuana and crossed the border with suitcases

Speaker 1 and were put into FBI vans and

Speaker 1 cases.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They rescued their family members and they took them out of the country. So they're in the U.S.
somewhere.

Speaker 1 Under some kind of protective custody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 And if you want to talk about

Speaker 1 people that know everything, like all the ins and outs,

Speaker 1 Elmayo Sambala is one.

Speaker 1 He's the guy. He knows.

Speaker 1 Where is he being detained? I think he's in New York, and I think he just declared himself guilty, and he's probably going to to cut a deal.

Speaker 1 He's older. He's

Speaker 1 diabetic.

Speaker 1 He's not going to spend life in prison.

Speaker 1 El Chapa Guzman went to... Which is wild.
When you think about how long he was running shit and how many people died and how many drugs got...

Speaker 1 He learned his tradecraft from.

Speaker 1 He learned his tradecraft in L.A.

Speaker 1 Here it is. It's August 25th, so it's soon.
A Brooklyn federal judge on Monday scheduled August 25th change of plea hearing for Zambada, longtime leader of Mexico Sinaloa Cartel.

Speaker 1 Development comes two weeks after federal prosecutors said they wouldn't seek the death penalty against him.

Speaker 1 There's a deal there.

Speaker 1 They're going to put him in the same prison as Ghalain Maxwell.

Speaker 1 I don't see him jogging, but yeah. Probably.
Doing yoga.

Speaker 1 There's a deal coming. And

Speaker 1 there's this sense in the U.S. that

Speaker 1 Trump came into power and declared these organizations terrorist organizations.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there was an expectation that that meant gloves off and you're going to see military action pretty soon. But what we've seen has been a very calculated surgical operation.
It looks like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, you see, they took out the head of the Sinaloa cartel, and Sinaloa has been on fire ever since.

Speaker 1 It is open warfare between the last remaining sons of Ochapa Guzman and the sons of Almayo, who are now. I've seen video.
It's bananas. It is a war zone on the streets.

Speaker 1 See if you can find some of that Sinaloa video, Jamie, because it is

Speaker 1 shocking.

Speaker 1 When this war kicked off between these two factions in Sinaloa, schools closed.

Speaker 1 People didn't want to go out because their cars were going to get jacked and get burned and put in the middle of the street. Companies closed.

Speaker 1 All of the luxury

Speaker 1 environment around these criminal organizations that they built up. I mean, these were criminal organizations that had Louis Vuitton stores and

Speaker 1 quick on, you know, and

Speaker 1 exotic car,

Speaker 1 exotic cars being sold

Speaker 1 in these dealerships, and all of the bands that would play live music at their places, and all these exotic seafood places. All these places just

Speaker 1 and how are they going to sustain themselves now this this economy started crashing and it's it's uh the mexican government comes out the president the presidenta the the current president uh uh shamebaum comes out and

Speaker 1 she blames this state being on fire

Speaker 1 the u.s like the u.s came in here and abducted elmaya sambada a mexican national

Speaker 1 and they charge joaquin guzman who was involved in the operation to pick up Mayo. They charge him with high treason in Mexico

Speaker 1 for abducting Elmay Samada and putting him in the U.S.

Speaker 1 High treason.

Speaker 1 He's charged with high treason.

Speaker 1 For abducting a drug lord. Yes.
Whoa. Which is like, I don't know.
Like, I'm doing the math on all that.

Speaker 1 Wow. But

Speaker 1 you have this situation now where she's blaming the U.S. for basically causing stability.
Give me some volume on this. Oh, this is.

Speaker 1 This is the members of El Mayo's family shooting up all the luxury houses of those Chapitos.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 1 I hope these guys are using ear protection. No, they're not.
We'll talk about that in a bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could probably sneak up on all those motherfuckers. They're probably all deaf.

Speaker 1 But they're basically shooting up all the luxury apartments that they know are owned by the Chapos in that area.

Speaker 1 They love 100-round drum magazines in Mexico for some reason. That's a 50-cal with no hearing protection.

Speaker 1 Why? You don't need it.

Speaker 1 How many of those guys are deaf?

Speaker 1 Oh, a lot of them have severe hearing locks.

Speaker 1 I recently went to Jalisco with a friend of mine who's a

Speaker 1 YouTube channel called The Connect, Johnny Mitchell.

Speaker 1 He talks to drug dealers and people in that life.

Speaker 1 There's a friend of mine in Mexico,

Speaker 1 he's basically the Mexican Sean Ryan.

Speaker 1 Agafe 423 is his handle. And he interviews cartel members and people from that life.

Speaker 1 Do they wear masks or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We talked to a kid that was six months out. of working with the

Speaker 1 what is currently I think priority number one should be priority number one for the U.S.

Speaker 1 the new generation cartel this militarized cartel out of Jalisco that has been with this war going on between the Sinalala factions I mean it's Christmas for them

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 when when we went down there he introduced us to this kid who is freshly off

Speaker 1 basically he he was involved in tank warfare on the borders between Jalisco and Sacatecas against those mayos who you see there firing at those houses.

Speaker 1 Tanks.

Speaker 1 They're making their own tanks. If you get your truck stolen up here and probably gets driven to Mexico, they're going to make a tank out of it, probably.

Speaker 1 They're making these

Speaker 1 artisanally made tanks, basically.

Speaker 1 Mostly what they are are.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's a pretty old one.

Speaker 1 I think that's the Zeta period. That's cool, though.
It looks like a fucking Mad Max vehicle. But what they do is they make these tanks.

Speaker 1 And his job was to be in the back of one of these with a.50 cal rifle.

Speaker 1 So what they do is

Speaker 1 you'll get into a dirt road and they'll put their trucks like this with their backs turned. And I was like, why don't you just ram them with the front? The engine will go out.

Speaker 1 You have to ram them with the back of the truck. So they'll just go into like this.
destruction derby in the hills and shoot at each other until there's a clear winner is what they did

Speaker 1 do basically

Speaker 1 and their main weapons are 50 caliber rifles so they'll be in the back of the truck and they're like now now now and they'll just somebody's on radio inside the cabin trying to call out what's going on and they'll pop out and start

Speaker 1 how come no one's figured out ear protection they put bullets in their ears i've seen i've seen that they put like plastic things in their ears but realistically

Speaker 1 they don't get shit and they're expendable That's why they don't give, that's why there's no early on. You get like a pair of Walker's game ears on Amazon.
It's not that expensive.

Speaker 1 No, none of that is down there.

Speaker 1 This kid walked us through how he was all the way from his recruitment through his training, through this tank warfare thing that they sent him on, and now into his life where he was like,

Speaker 1 why I laughed about your question about hearing protection is I was

Speaker 1 the first person that showed him what tinnitus was and what hearing loss was because he kept like, what did you say? It's like, hey, dude, do you have hearing loss? Like, no, like, I just, you know,

Speaker 1 like, dude, you have severe hearing loss from what you went through. This is probably.

Speaker 1 These are tanks going after each other. Yeah, that's this is, you'll see this in different, I mean, they're fighting over drug routes, basically, and territory.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ, they're so close to each other. It's

Speaker 1 50 caliber at like

Speaker 1 a 10-foot distance. And

Speaker 1 the drones are now involved in this as well,

Speaker 1 because why not? Of course.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the way he was recruited is pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 He was an Uber driver. This kid, again,

Speaker 1 you will look at this kid if you found him somewhere. Just normal kid.

Speaker 1 He's 20, 23 right now, I think, but looks like a kid.

Speaker 1 Uber driver crashes into somebody, accident,

Speaker 1 doesn't have enough money to pay the extra for the insurance. So he's like, God, what am I going to do? You know, married,

Speaker 1 newly married. What am I going to do?

Speaker 1 Goes on TikTok.

Speaker 1 And he sees an advertisement on TikTok for like, hey, you need money? This is how much we pay you if you come work with us. It's a cartel advertisement.
The cartel uses TikTok to recruit. Yes.

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Speaker 1 Facebook, TikTok. Of course.

Speaker 1 Totally makes sense. But specifically, TikTok is one of their biggest recruiting methods.
And it's in the open. It's not like you have to access this private page and go and do this.

Speaker 1 No, it's like, hey, you want to come work for the four letters? Is the way they call themselves? Yeah.

Speaker 1 just call this number right so he called this number and he was like told to meet somebody at a bus station

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 he goes meets these people at the bus station they put him in a car they check them like give me your phones give me like we don't want to be tracked and then he they drive them to a place where he was they were going to be trained i guess is what he said and then cops stop him in the road beat the shit out of all of them there torture a few of them.

Speaker 1 What are you doing? Where are you going?

Speaker 1 Don't tell them anything. Don't tell them anything.

Speaker 1 And then after they got the beating of their life, they're like, ah, good, you passed a test. And now you're going to go.

Speaker 1 Oh, so that was what it was for. But the uniformed cops were all cartel members.
Oh, my God. And the police, like all these are places where everybody's in on it.
So it's just to see if you'll crack.

Speaker 1 He gets driven to one of these ranches, these training camps. And it's not like, you know, I remember seeing the Al-Qaeda training camps where the guys are on the monkey bars and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 These are military compounds

Speaker 1 that are in the Sierras and the mountains. There was a case recently where they thought they found these mass graves that turned out to be actually training camps.
There were dead people there, but

Speaker 1 they found all these shoes.

Speaker 1 They were calling it Mexican Auschwitz.

Speaker 1 But what they actually found is a processing space.

Speaker 1 Like, you go there and they strip off all your clothes and your shoes and they leave them there because they give you new shoes because they don't want to be tracked.

Speaker 1 So it was one of those processing places.

Speaker 1 So then you end it, and then you then end up in some of the training camps.

Speaker 1 He describes

Speaker 1 active duty military personnel training them in the hills. Mexican military personnel training them in the hills.

Speaker 1 Former special operators from Colombia.

Speaker 1 Former special operators from Mexico. Some from America as well, right? There's rumors, and again, I have not talked directly to anybody that knows of that, that

Speaker 1 had eyes on them, but there are rumors of at least two American specialists of some sort, because I've heard Delta Forest and SEALs, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 But there is a clear

Speaker 1 communication of methods and technology. IEDs are a thing in Mexico now.
Like

Speaker 1 IEDs are very reminiscent of things that you would see in Afghanistan and Iraq. And the only way that they come over here is not from an Afghani or an Iraqi coming over and showing us how to do IEDs.

Speaker 1 It was probably an EOD tech of some sort from the U.S. that has some experience that does know how to make some of these.

Speaker 1 That's one place where they were learning their tradecraft. Another one is Colombia.

Speaker 1 Colombian operators have been showing up in weird parts of the world fighting. I mean, they're in the Ukrainian war right now, learning about drone technology.

Speaker 1 Some of the operators from Mexico that went to fight in the Ukrainian front are now back in Mexico showing the cartels how to what they learned about drone warfare in the Ukraine war. Whoa.

Speaker 1 So this kid describes this training camp where it's the army. People are marching around, people are in uniform, people are getting trained and

Speaker 1 they'll get people brought into this training camp and like, hey,

Speaker 1 let's see if you're worthy. And they'll give you a gun and like kill

Speaker 1 just kill some random person, yeah. And this kid describes how he that's that's the first dude he killed, just an unarmed dude that was dragged into that camp.
Um,

Speaker 1 so they just drag a dude just to see if you're capable of taking one of them, I think he was one of the guys that tried to run

Speaker 1 because it's it's I mean, it's like it's I say it's like the military, but they'll kill you there if you fucking fuck up or oh, they'll beat you know or or they'll beat you, flog you. Um,

Speaker 1 it is a job, it is a it is like a structured job. You get a

Speaker 1 You get money paid to you

Speaker 1 every quinsena, every 15 days, and a bonus at the end of the month. You get equipment.

Speaker 1 You get selected for certain activities. He was selected for tank duty and they send him on his fucking tank to fight in the hills.

Speaker 1 Some people get selected to manage some of their drugstores.

Speaker 1 Some people get managed to just be lookouts.

Speaker 1 But it's a giant network of people that they've managed to create for themselves in this region, this new generation cartel.

Speaker 1 It's one of the largest and fastest growing cartels in Mexico, and it is now probably operating all over Mexico. And recruiting people on TikTok.

Speaker 1 Most of their recruiting is through TikTok, yes.

Speaker 1 Openly. And again,

Speaker 1 it's not, you don't have to search for it. It's there.

Speaker 1 People smugglers.

Speaker 1 advertise on TikTok constantly as well. They'll have videos of people here in Texas that went through the border recently with a newspaper, like, hey, I'm in Texas now.
Look at the newspaper.

Speaker 1 And like,

Speaker 1 they were in Mexico,

Speaker 1 a few hours before with the newspaper. And like, this is Saul.
Saul is the best smuggler out there.

Speaker 1 Hire him for

Speaker 1 a safe crossing. This is on TikTok.
I mean,

Speaker 1 it's in the open. It's wild.

Speaker 1 People don't realize how big of a tool that's being utilized in Mexico as a recruiting tool. It's a propaganda tool as well.

Speaker 1 They'll talk shit to each other through that medium.

Speaker 1 How did this kid get out?

Speaker 1 He ran.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 he managed to prove himself a bit and he managed to get the

Speaker 1 favor of one of their leaders and he told them like, hey, I know you're going to want to be here.

Speaker 1 Leave your shit and run, I guess.

Speaker 1 Don't come back. Don't look back.
Oh, so they let him run. They let him run.

Speaker 1 But not everybody gets that opportunity.

Speaker 1 So it was just somebody who liked him, maybe? He he got he got f he he got he he he said he worked well in that organization.

Speaker 1 He got favor and eventually said, You know what, I have a wife and a kid that I need to get back to you. Is that is there a way? They let him go.
How long was he being held?

Speaker 1 He I think he he said something about six or eight months. Um and he he went through some shit.

Speaker 1 Um I g most of what he went through was in Za in the border between Jalisco and Zacatecas where the Mayos are trying to fight over that territory.

Speaker 1 It's basically one of the corridors up into the border region of Mexico through Mexico. So that's people are always fighting over these regions.

Speaker 1 He came back with PTSD hearing loss.

Speaker 1 And again, all of these things are unknown. He's a Mexican kid without health insurance.
How is he going to know any of these things?

Speaker 1 When I talked to him for a bit, he was like, oh, that makes sense. I was like, yeah.
Do you drink a lot? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know why. I used to drink a shit ton.
You know, um

Speaker 1 nightmares yeah

Speaker 1 like rage moments yeah like this sounds like you have

Speaker 1 ptsd dude like sit down um

Speaker 1 so but he's like one in a thousand thousands of kids like that out there who are gone through some of these things um both on the military and police side and also the cartel side highly traumatized traumatized individuals that just But there's no, there's nothing for them down there.

Speaker 1 If they talk about what they did, they're in trouble. If they look for help, there's no help out there.
So, this kid is trying to reform his life with all this fucking damage in him.

Speaker 1 He lost his family

Speaker 1 that he fought so much to get back to.

Speaker 1 Which is,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 one small story and tragedy.

Speaker 1 But you go to Jalisco,

Speaker 1 and they have a roundabout there. And Jalisco, it's Los Aparacillos, where the missing are, and it's covered in posters of missing people

Speaker 1 in in Gualajara. It is like uh one of those zombie movies where they have all these like the where the all the missing people posters on the because zombie outbreak happened.

Speaker 1 It's like that, except it's people.

Speaker 1 Um a hundred over a hundred thousand according to official numbers in Mexico as far as missing. Um

Speaker 1 just gone.

Speaker 1 And that's another aspect of this this this war that uh people don't kind of like realize.

Speaker 1 The numbers are skewed, you know, because

Speaker 1 there's no confirmed dead person for a number of the amount of people murdered if there's no body.

Speaker 1 And Mexico has become very good at getting rid of bodies, like cultures in Mexico.

Speaker 1 I was in Coahuila working with

Speaker 1 a tactical group out there.

Speaker 1 They showed me, I mean, I'm always learning from pe people.

Speaker 1 Different regions have different ways of getting rid of bodies.

Speaker 1 Some just burn them, just throw fuel on them to see if they can burn.

Speaker 1 In this part of the country, Cohila, which is on the east side of the country, they will heat up fuel drums with diesel inside of them. And diesel can get really hot without igniting.

Speaker 1 And that's where they put the bodies inside. Basically, boil them down to their essential essence.

Speaker 1 And there's nothing to find, is what they tell me with that process.

Speaker 1 You go to my hometown of Tijuana, that's where we have.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you go to Tijuana, where I'm from, and then you got the

Speaker 1 phenomenon of Posolero, who would get rid of people with caustic soda, just a mixture of chemicals that you could

Speaker 1 find at a hardware store, and

Speaker 1 they would make people into pink slurry, and then just dump the pink slurry in a hole and just cover it up. So the numbers that we see as far as dead and missing,

Speaker 1 it's not a real number.

Speaker 1 It has to be bigger.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 it is a place where you'll go into some towns and there's just a bunch of old men and females because all the men are gone, you know?

Speaker 1 Or you'll see

Speaker 1 you'll see like these abandoned graves in some place.

Speaker 1 I talked to a lady who's a part of some of these

Speaker 1 there's these organizations all over the country right now. They're grassroots organizations that are basically just dedicated to finding clandestine body disposal places.

Speaker 1 They're looking for their family members, basically.

Speaker 1 How do you say that word? Izaguiri?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's the one I told you.

Speaker 1 People were trying to make it seem like this was an extermination camp. How do you say the word? Isaguirre.
Isaguirre, high concentrations of ash suggests the presence of clandestine crematoriums.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 bodies were disposed of there, not at the volume of an Auschwitz-level thing,

Speaker 1 but yeah, there were definitely people getting burned there. So they're just killing people all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, body disposal to a level where there's nothing left is something you do in a place where you're worried about the government catching you. But this is Gualajara.

Speaker 1 This is the Lisa because this is New Generation Cartel

Speaker 1 territory. They're not worried about bodies being found.

Speaker 1 There's There's no forensic services in some of these places, or it's like

Speaker 1 here's some spent casings from this murder. Oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 Just throw them in this hill of

Speaker 1 giant hill of casings that they have in this evidence locker, right?

Speaker 1 They're overwhelmed. There's no, I guess, well, like,

Speaker 1 you can't solve any crimes. You're dead.
90% of all. Imagine your job.
If you do it well, you're dead. Yeah, exactly.
But you're not going to do it well.

Speaker 1 90% of all murders in Mexico are never solved. 90.

Speaker 1 Maybe a bit over that.

Speaker 1 So it's.

Speaker 1 You have this cartel now that is.

Speaker 1 You have El Mayo Sambada is gone. El Chapo's sons are cutting a deal.
One of them apparently has made an alliance with the head of the new generation cartel, a man by El Mencho.

Speaker 1 His nickname is El Mencho. Nemesio Seguada Cervantes is his real name.

Speaker 1 Last time I was here, there was like this almost five years ago that I was here. There were questions about if he was even alive or not.

Speaker 1 People thought that he was being kept alive as this folk figure because he's low-key,

Speaker 1 very low-key, he's not flashy. Everything's militarized.
He's very good at his tradecraft.

Speaker 1 But recently,

Speaker 1 he's very much alive.

Speaker 1 He's very much exposed himself a few times. He was almost arrested recently, and the federal police apparently tipped off his security about the operation against them.

Speaker 1 It's the second time he was almost arrested. He's the biggest target right now in Mexico.

Speaker 1 We recently learned through the media of

Speaker 1 Trump's authorization of utilizing military action in

Speaker 1 Latin America in general, all the way from Venezuela, all the way up to Mexico. And you hear these rumblings of like, how is this military operation going to look like?

Speaker 1 Is this going to be an invasion?

Speaker 1 Are we going to see like a column of U.S. Marines driving down to Tijuana?

Speaker 1 We're probably going to spend some time in Tijuana.

Speaker 1 It's probably not a good idea. Are we going to see people, Delta Force guys, showing up in Tijuana and Culiacan and going on a raid on their own without permission of the local authorities?

Speaker 1 What's this going to look like?

Speaker 1 I don't see a direct trust between

Speaker 1 Mexico and the United States anymore. There's like there's issues there.

Speaker 1 The U. S.
has realized that politics are are compromised at a high level in Mexico. Completely.

Speaker 1 With the example of the recent almost arrest of Nemesio Sega Cervantes Lamencho, you see that the federal forces are compromised as well.

Speaker 1 So like who do you trust as an American force that is trying to

Speaker 1 cut the stem of drugs into this country is as is is kind of the excuse that they're utilizing for this designation. And

Speaker 1 who do you trust down there?

Speaker 1 I posted,

Speaker 1 I'm friends with a bunch of dorks, and they're all looking at flight tracker and intelligence and stuff like that. And I'm a dork too.

Speaker 1 And one of them sent me this suspicious drone, American drone, flying over the state of Mexico in circles. And I posted it immediately.
I think I was one of the first ones to post it online. And

Speaker 1 a press briefing happened almost immediately. And the head of public safety in Mexico, Omar Gasiajarfu, said, like, oh, yeah, this is, we asked for this drone to fly over this area.

Speaker 1 Who did you ask?

Speaker 1 This is not a military drone, but we asked for it to fly over this area.

Speaker 1 Which

Speaker 1 I don't think he knows what's fucking, what the fuck's going on.

Speaker 1 I don't think he knows why there's a drone flying over a very specific part of Mexico. I don't know.
It seemed like he didn't, or either he didn't want to reveal

Speaker 1 this drone, or but

Speaker 1 there have been many times recently of drones just flying

Speaker 1 close to the border or over Mexico. They're clearly drawing a map, an intelligence map of targets in Mexico.
So something is coming, I think. Whoa.

Speaker 1 What is it going to look like, though, is the question that people are asking.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Speaking to somebody like Gafe down in Mexico, he was a former member of the Special Operations.

Speaker 1 And I asked him, like, hey, what is the military going to do with the U.S. as like we're going in without your approval?

Speaker 1 He said,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 if you start fighting the cartels without approval of the Mexican government, you will turn criminal organizations into freedom fighters.

Speaker 1 And they're already integrated into the military in certain ways because some of them are working for them and some of them are working for us. So you will make the whole a cohesive force against you.

Speaker 1 Oh boy.

Speaker 1 Which is an interesting theory, you know, if that happens.

Speaker 1 That seems likely.

Speaker 1 It does. Yeah, because there's like anti-U.S.
sentiment already. It is.
And then also the closing of the borders.

Speaker 1 It's a perfect storm. I mean,

Speaker 1 Trump is

Speaker 1 divisive. And in Mexico, he has been turned into this very

Speaker 1 clear

Speaker 1 enemy. Like, this is the enemy, you know?

Speaker 1 Specifically by politicians down there, he's pretty easy to just vilify. Like, it's a fault, you know? Why is Sinaloa on fire?

Speaker 1 Maybe it's because you have a corrupt governor there who was clearly in cartel ties and stuff like that, who's part of your party, but you haven't figured out how to get him out of office.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's that. Or, no, it's the U.S.
because they abducted El Mayo. That's why that.
place is on fire. That's there to charge someone with treason.

Speaker 1 That's why they charge somebody with high treason, which is unheard of, but there you go.

Speaker 1 So like who

Speaker 1 are you going to trust in that realm? And so Mexico has pressed the whole,

Speaker 1 the U.S. is responsible for this,

Speaker 1 and they're kind of wiping their hands from it. And the U.S.

Speaker 1 keeps pointing their finger at the high-level government, which is something, again, five years ago, I spoke about this on this podcast, and I got a lot of shit for it.

Speaker 1 I said, there's no way of going after cartels in Mexico without going after the government

Speaker 1 because they're one and the same in a lot of places. And that was back then.
And now it's even more clear as how tie they are.

Speaker 1 If nothing happens, if the United States doesn't do anything,

Speaker 1 how much bigger can the cartels get? This is the question. It's like,

Speaker 1 what is going to happen to just

Speaker 1 this

Speaker 1 entire country?

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Speaker 1 If you have, and this is what that's that's why you have a lot of conflicts happening in routes that are leading towards the border.

Speaker 1 The Sina Long cartel operated in a very old-fashioned way. You know, they wouldn't, no cagas en de comas.

Speaker 1 It was their politics. Don't shit where you eat was their politics for a long time.

Speaker 1 You saw a change in this when

Speaker 1 the brutality aspect and how just shit changed in Mexico. There was an incident.

Speaker 1 Members of Los Arellano Felix cartel, the Tijuana cartel, were in a direct conflict with elements of O Chapo, Guzman's organization.

Speaker 1 And they had a assassin

Speaker 1 basically infiltrate the living circle of one of El Chapo's main guys, Eluero Palma.

Speaker 1 And he seduced his wife.

Speaker 1 killed her and abducted his kids and threw them off a bridge and sent that video to Eluero Palma.

Speaker 1 And I think after the, I mean, brutal shit had happened after that,

Speaker 1 before that, but I think that set off this.

Speaker 1 At some point, that

Speaker 1 whole war that happened, you know,

Speaker 1 you start getting the element of the settas coming in who were former special operator guys who basically said, like, we can start our own cartel, which a lot of them were Fort Bragg-trained individuals that went down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, some of them, some of them went through the Green Beret course.

Speaker 1 Four nationals go through that course a lot. So they went to the Green Beret course, and then they go back to Mexico.

Speaker 1 And then as soon as they get back to Mexico, like, oh, congratulations on your cool Green Beret and all this training.

Speaker 1 Come train our guys.

Speaker 1 Or come work for us.

Speaker 1 So at some point, all of this started militarizing the conflict in Mexico.

Speaker 1 It went from gang against gang violence, which is like very reminiscent of some of the stuff that happened up here during the gang era

Speaker 1 or some of the Al Capone era, you know,

Speaker 1 shootouts between people.

Speaker 1 The Zetas changed the game. They

Speaker 1 started bringing in guerrilla warfare tactics

Speaker 1 into this realm.

Speaker 1 They started doing all of those torture videos and

Speaker 1 cartel execution videos.

Speaker 1 That comes from them.

Speaker 1 They realize that part of a guerrilla warfare campaign is propaganda. And how can you make propaganda of shooting a guy in a field?

Speaker 1 Right. Film it.

Speaker 1 So they change that game.

Speaker 1 They start realizing that, yeah, it's one thing having a kid with sneakers on the back of a truck with an AK whose dad was part of the organization and he brought his kid in.

Speaker 1 But it's probably a better idea to have militarized or paramilitary groups working with us.

Speaker 1 So they started getting these evolutions of ideas of what a criminal organization should be.

Speaker 1 And all of that, you know,

Speaker 1 the members of the new generation cartel that is now kind of like dominating Mexico started off as a ZETA hunting force by the CINAH that the CINAHL cartel formed in Jalisco.

Speaker 1 And they said like, well, we can do this for ourselves now too as well. So that's how they originated in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 So this organization has taken the textbook learning process of all these other cartels and is now this cartel with all this foundation, educational foundation, as far as how to set up an organization, how to set up all these transnational routes, how to operate on both sides of the border, how to augment their capabilities constantly through technology.

Speaker 1 Drone warfare was first seen, I think, in Mexico.

Speaker 1 You saw drones dropping bombs and shit like that in Mexico before the Ukrainian conflict.

Speaker 1 But they got really good at it. I mean, the Ukrainians have fucking taken that shit to an art form.

Speaker 1 There are Mexican nationals fighting for their foreign services, their foreign brigades in the Ukraine. And some of them have gone into that route, drone operators.
And some of them are coming back.

Speaker 1 And you started seeing this sudden sophistication. It used to be bomblets dropped from these commercial drones, and the explosives in them were probably mining-level explosives.
You start seeing

Speaker 1 these

Speaker 1 bomblets made, and they were more reminiscent of Colombian explosives or IRA era explosives. And now you're seeing these

Speaker 1 coordinated drone attacks on military forces in Mexico. I think they recently got a

Speaker 1 some

Speaker 1 high-level army official, they got him with a drone. They didn't kill him, but they almost killed him.

Speaker 1 So you started seeing these drone now being operated, drones now being operated as scouts. So you can't get close to them because these drones are in the sky.

Speaker 1 So now you're seeing drone cartels fighting against other cartel drones. So now we're seeing cartel guys with these futuristic drone, anti-drone guns in the field.
I've seen those things, yeah.

Speaker 1 They look like space guns, but on the hands of a cartel guy wearing like sandals, which is

Speaker 1 what the fuck's going on with these people.

Speaker 1 So you start seeing all this augmentation of capabilities. This single cartel now has all of this history behind it, all of these lessons behind it, all this training behind it, all this technology.

Speaker 1 And it is poised to punch a hole right through its territory and go up north into the United States, right?

Speaker 1 There are no segments of the border wall currently that are actually controlled or a city that is controlled by the new generation cartel that is on the border. That's not the case now.

Speaker 1 But there are places that are starting to maybe look like they're going that way.

Speaker 1 Tijuana being one of them, where I'm from. You start seeing

Speaker 1 the last remaining sons of Ochapaguzman that are free, Archivalo is the strongest one. And his faction of Los Chapitos, as what they call themselves,

Speaker 1 this past year announced that they had reached an alliance with this new cartel, this new generation cartel.

Speaker 1 it's now it's a cohesive force and they had historical ties and and and and and and and a part of the border that they owned already that they inherited from their dad so that nightmare scenario of having this cartel now having a clear doorway into the United States is

Speaker 1 pretty close if it's not there already. And how wild would it be if the border was still wide open?

Speaker 1 Because they've cut down on illegal immigrants by some high 90%.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's way down. There's still crossings going on.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's really expensive. It's really expensive.

Speaker 1 You got to get that guy off TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of ways they do.

Speaker 1 I saw one where they were like, hey,

Speaker 1 they'll grab

Speaker 1 a portfolio full of copies of IDs and like, oh, you look like this dude. And then they'll give you, you know, they'll say, like, just get really drunk before you cross and pretend you're asleep.

Speaker 1 And they'll give you paperwork that looks like the dude that looks like you. And that's how they cross people.
And that's a lot. It's very expensive.
That's how they cross you.

Speaker 1 Fast boats, you know, there's a bunch of videos online, just boats just arriving on the beach and just dudes jumping out. It's a classic

Speaker 1 and running.

Speaker 1 They're in. There's a shortage of those wave runners.
There's a shortage of them in Mexico because they just buy them just a

Speaker 1 well, a short trip. I mean, if you think, if you get on one in Tijuana and you hop over to San Diego, that's not that far.
No, and they'll swarm it now. They'll do many of those boats.

Speaker 1 And if you were in TJ, you could see off the coast. There's a bunch of Navy ships now off the coast there.
So, like,

Speaker 1 which is a cause for alarm for a lot of Mexicans.

Speaker 1 When I say Mexicans view any sort of intervention by the United States with fear.

Speaker 1 Although they are also fearful of what happens if this is allowed to continue in Mexico, and they don't see any solutions from the government.

Speaker 1 It seems like the opposite. It seems like it's going more and more towards the cartel.
Yeah. So, what would happen if the United States didn't infiltrate?

Speaker 1 If the United States didn't attack, if something didn't happen, if they just

Speaker 1 swipped away. I think we're already involved.
You know,

Speaker 1 this arrest of Amano Sambada,

Speaker 1 this designation that allows a lot of things,

Speaker 1 safeties off type thing

Speaker 1 against some of these cartels. What's worrying in the eyes of Mexico and in the eyes of Mexicans, I guess,

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 fact that there was a promise of no negotiating with terrorists, or at least it's something that is assumed.

Speaker 1 You don't negotiate with terrorists. It's like like a thing, you know.

Speaker 1 But all of a sudden, one of these factions just made a deal, and now they're negotiating with them. And now, all these people are crossing that border.

Speaker 1 Uh, their family members are crossing that border and now in the safety of the United States. Um,

Speaker 1 the dude that the UN United States made a deal with is responsible for the death of a few special operators that were part of his arrest.

Speaker 1 What are they going to tell their families of that loss and why they died, you know, and also the

Speaker 1 piles of bodies that were around after both of his arrest attempts.

Speaker 1 So, there's distrust on all sides.

Speaker 1 Mexicans don't trust the government to solve it because it's the deal with your president. What's her deal? Shame mom,

Speaker 1 woke, very woke, very to the left.

Speaker 1 A few guerrilla forces in Central America have come out and said that she's one of her, that she was one of the resistance fighters with them.

Speaker 1 Jewish

Speaker 1 heritage. That's kind of odd.
It is very odd for Mexico.

Speaker 1 Very loved

Speaker 1 by

Speaker 1 large segments of the population.

Speaker 1 What is about it that she's loved? Like, what is it about her policies or what she represents? I think she's feeding off a lot of the love that they had for Amlo.

Speaker 1 Amlo was our Trump.

Speaker 1 That's the best way of describing him.

Speaker 1 A populist guy,

Speaker 1 drained a swamp, rhetoric, like all these other guys,

Speaker 1 the conservatives can go, they're gone, we're going to win this. He won by a landslide.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he kept talking about conservatives and the previous parties, but all the Morena party is made up of all these other politicians just switching sides and joining his party.

Speaker 1 Shay Mom came in with a big job on her hands as far as security. She immediately reversed the whole of Razo no Velasos.
I mean, there's Velazos on the table now, you know. I recognize that.

Speaker 1 She brought into the, into

Speaker 1 office with her a man. What did you mean by that? When you say him Velasos, what is that? Avrazono Velazos, like

Speaker 1 hugs, not bullets. She got rid of that.
Now there's a lot more, there's a lot of Velasos. There's more bullets now.

Speaker 1 There's a man in power right now,

Speaker 1 a security official named Omar Garcia Jarfuch,

Speaker 1 who

Speaker 1 he has a sordid history in Mexico.

Speaker 1 He comes from people,

Speaker 1 he has been in circles of people that have been involved in some shit, but he himself has not been,

Speaker 1 there's nothing on him that we know of, you know.

Speaker 1 El Super Policia, the super cop is what he called.

Speaker 1 He's very well loved by his men. I actually talked to a few people that work directly with him.
He seems to be like a guy who's willing to go up to task.

Speaker 1 And he's receiving all this pressure from the United States that, like, we need results from you guys. Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 So, he has had he has been heading up operations against some of these organizations, specifically in Sina Loa. And we've seen record-breaking

Speaker 1 fentanyl seizures and high-level politicians being caught up in some of these things.

Speaker 1 And specifically, the interesting part of the operations he's conducting all over Mexico is he's actually going after municipalities.

Speaker 1 So, he's going after like municipal presidents and some of the local governments that are basically all corrupted. He realizes that, hey, where's the cartel here? Oh, the cartel's a government.

Speaker 1 The local government's a cartel. Oh.
So they do these mass swarm operations on some of these places where they arrest the police chief, they arrest the mayor.

Speaker 1 He realizes that this is the front that he has to now fight because the cartel isn't just these organizations out in the hills anymore.

Speaker 1 They're inside. They're infiltrated.
They're in politics, you know, and people think about drugs only. But

Speaker 1 these cartels are fighting for Huachicol as well, fuel trafficking. There was a family.
Avocados. Avocados.

Speaker 1 If you go to Chipotle and order extra guac, you're putting money in the pockets of this new generation cartel or the Famila Michaelana. How crazy is that? It's wild.

Speaker 1 And it's fuel theft. And the fuel theft side of it, Huachicola is what they call it in Mexico.
It's interesting, but that catches,

Speaker 1 that puts in a lot of people in the United States that have been involved in it, taking illegally siphoned fuel from mexico by some of these criminal organizations putting it on a ship and fly and then doing a lot of magic with the paperwork and then it ended up ending it up and ending up in the u.s and money exchanging weird hands so that's another side of it that people don't kind of realize uh one of the uh

Speaker 1 look at this mexican authorities seized nearly four million gallons of stolen fuel ap news this has been going on for years, and again, this is another part of the way they finance themselves, and these criminal organizations have been able to grow without

Speaker 1 they diversified years ago. Yeah, so they're not just.

Speaker 1 Even if you shut off the drugs totally, they're still making billions. And low-key, Mexico has become first world in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 First, we're

Speaker 1 welcoming all your huddled masses. You know, Mexico is.
Mexico is the

Speaker 1 Statue of Liberty. All of the economic migrants that can't afford to live here in the U.S.

Speaker 1 move to Mexico. Oh, yeah, a lot of people do.

Speaker 1 There's like giant communities of Americans living down there. When we were in Jalisco, we were surprised to find, like, goddamn, the gringos living in the middle of cartel territory.

Speaker 1 Well, weren't the Mormons the first people to do that?

Speaker 1 There were some of the first ones to do some of these communities, but like expat communities down in Mexico are common.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Mormons were pretty big down there.

Speaker 1 Actually,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's, you know, they, uh, you know, I think the last time I was here was when that massacre happened. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 So they're, they're, uh, they have Mormon compounds in Mexico. Yeah.
Armed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That have been there since the 1800s. Yeah.
Mitt Romney's dad was a Mexican. Yeah.
Yeah. Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico.
That's why he couldn't be president in the United States. It's wild.

Speaker 1 Wild. Yeah.
And Mitt Romney's dad was a part of one of those massive encampments of armed people

Speaker 1 protecting Joseph Smith's ideas. Yeah, crazy.
Also, like I remember when I talked about it on this podcast,

Speaker 1 Mormons from the U.S. corrected me and said that those guys weren't real Mormons.
Oh, how convenient. And I'm like, I don't.

Speaker 1 Well, didn't they go over there because they didn't want to get rid of polygamy? I think so.

Speaker 1 They should have stuck around. It's coming back.

Speaker 1 Polygamy's back in Toronto. Oh, cool.
Yeah. Canada, because of Islam, because so many Muslims have moved to Toronto, they made polygamy legal again.
Yeah, I was in Canada recently.

Speaker 1 It was like, wow, it's pretty interesting. Yeah, good job, guys.

Speaker 1 Keep at it.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 again, I think Mexico is on its Mexico is probably the if you can invest in any country in the world right now, I think Mexico would be it. Really?

Speaker 1 The industrial plant that is that that it has, uh a lot of the stuff that is leaving China, it's moving to Mexico. Youth.

Speaker 1 It has a consumer base that is growing exponentially.

Speaker 1 So how do you get

Speaker 1 all the violence?

Speaker 1 Is that possible at this point in time? Is it so soaked into the culture? I think it is.

Speaker 1 I think we're at a tipping point where the

Speaker 1 Mexican culture in general is sick of it. Like it doesn't want this yet anymore.

Speaker 1 We're seeing attacks on freedom of expression in Mexico in a way because

Speaker 1 some of these popular singers that would sing cartel songs are now banned from

Speaker 1 performing them live. So that's like an attack on freedom of speech.
But

Speaker 1 the population is pretty cool with it, though. They're letting it slide.
So it means that they're kind of like ready to give up shit. It became an issue in America, right?

Speaker 1 Where there was a popular singer that they wouldn't allow back into the country, and he has these huge sold-out arena shows. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 again, I talked about how

Speaker 1 if you're going to attack these organizations, you have to attack all of these or like just like you attack al-Qaeda, you attack who finances them, who and a lot of these people, a lot of these organizations were basically utilizing some of these popular singers to launder money or to gain influence in the U.S.

Speaker 1 or to sing about their exploits. They would pay them to sing about their exploits.
So when this designation came down, it was clear that some of these guys were on the chopping block.

Speaker 1 This terrorist designation came down from the government, the U.S. government, it's clear that some of these singers are going to be on the chopping block.
Wow. Another phenomenon is that the U.S.

Speaker 1 is actually.

Speaker 1 This is the guy.

Speaker 5 Four million listeners on Spotify every month.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's one of them.

Speaker 1 Yesterday.

Speaker 1 He was killed in a parking lot yesterday. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Musicians celebrated drug cartel exploits and songs shot dead in parking lot in Mexico. Oh, yeah, yeah.
This is yesterday. Yeah, Enigma.
Is this today?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 This is the singer.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Grupo Enigma.

Speaker 1 He used to hang out with Maya Sambala and El Chapo Guzman and talk about it openly on podcast in Mexico. And,

Speaker 1 you know, that's another phenomenon that's currently happening. YouTubers.

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Speaker 1 when when the when the chapitos and the mayos started fighting over sinaloa those mayos put a plane up and started uh dispersing pamphlets with pictures of all the YouTube influencers that

Speaker 1 they knew were helping out the Chapitos faction or they were working with them.

Speaker 1 And they've been going down that list.

Speaker 1 They recently killed

Speaker 1 one dude at his house who was talking about cartels, you know.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 like TMZ for cartels. Yeah.
Yeah. They, they, they, the, the, the, the the the hackers that that that's him.
Um

Speaker 1 the uh he uh apparently the cartel hired uh a hacker to figure out to send a link to his wife that she opened and they tracked that track the they tracked them where they were hiding. Wow.

Speaker 1 Um like he was he's he's all he was all over uh social media in Mexico and and even even regular media in Mexico talking about the cartels. Um

Speaker 1 as of Sunday, no arrests had been reported. No, somebody just walked into his house with a ski mask and shot him through the bathroom door when you tried to hold it shut.

Speaker 1 And this is

Speaker 1 these are all signs that the populace in Mexico, independently of cartels, just the general mass of Mexico, is

Speaker 1 this is the tipping point. They're done with this.
They don't want this anymore.

Speaker 1 Which, you know, what do you do with that energy, that momentum? How many people are we talking about when you talk about all the cartels?

Speaker 1 How many people are are in there? Are these organizations?

Speaker 1 So, if it was an army, how big would the army be? I don't know. 400,000 people, maybe?

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 Just like doing really quick math in my head of approximations of how many new generation cartel members are apparently out there, which there's no real way of knowing, but there are the formulations.

Speaker 1 How many Taliban were in Afghanistan?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Jeremy, Google that. In the height of the war, how many Taliban were in Afghanistan?

Speaker 1 And then you see these organizations.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's the people fighting out there, the people in charge, the people settling up shop, the people in finance, the people that are running the shell companies, the people that are running the actual companies, because these cartels own companies.

Speaker 1 Okay, look at this.

Speaker 1 Early estimates from 2001 to 2017 range from 45,000 to 60,000.

Speaker 1 There's way more fighters down there. How crazy is that? So we spent trillions of dollars.
We were there for 20 years in Afghanistan for 60,000 dudes

Speaker 1 that were hiding out in the mountains.

Speaker 1 And then we left, and we left behind Black Hawk helicopters, tanks.

Speaker 1 And a lot of those firearms are showing up in Mexico. Of course.
They're for sale.

Speaker 1 The night vision equipment or night vision, like

Speaker 1 high sophisticated, expensive. I know about night vision.
I've been learning about all this stuff in the U.S. from my friends who are all gun nuts.
And I'm looking at it, like, oh, God, look at these.

Speaker 1 Like, dude, where are those? They're in a house in Kuliagan. It's like, holy shit, dude.
How the fuck did they get from

Speaker 1 there's routes? I bet dudes got on a plane the moment the U.S. left.
They were like, look at all this shit. We got money.
Let's make a deal with these guys. Yeah, weaponry is

Speaker 1 coming in from that side.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the U.S. is responsible for most of the gun running down to Mexico.
Well, let's talk about Operation Fast and Furious, which was bananas.

Speaker 1 Wide receiver. It started off as wide receiver, I think.
That was the original name for it? It's a Bush era. You can explain it to people.
What happened?

Speaker 1 So, Bush administration, it was a wide receiver, and then Obama administration, it was Fast and Furious. And again, I'm going to speak of this.

Speaker 1 My participation in all of this was I was in Mexico, and a bunch of my friends got killed with those guns. Wow.

Speaker 1 We We started see, just imagine,

Speaker 1 I'm in my 20s back then,

Speaker 1 and, you know, we get in shootouts and people are running around with guns and stuff like that. It's mostly like AR-15s,

Speaker 1 AK-47s. Some of them are really rusty and old.
Narenco rifles from China, just weird firearms. And all of a sudden, you start finding people with 50-caliber Barrett rifles with scopes on them.

Speaker 1 Zeroed in in the box with munitions and then you look look at the box where they came in and you see a label that says Arizona on it. And you're like,

Speaker 1 you know, that's a weird thing to find on this fucking crack house that we're at.

Speaker 1 And then a few of my friends got killed with these FN57 pistols that come.

Speaker 1 It's a high-velocity round that comes in them.

Speaker 1 It was kind of fabricated in the Cold War to fight Russians invading Europe and they wanted to be able to penetrate their body armor with small pistols and small sub guns that they might have in urban areas.

Speaker 1 So we start seeing those. And just a massive amount of firearms being delivered specifically to the senior lawyer cartel groups in the area that we're working with.

Speaker 1 And we didn't know anything about it. Like, where are all these things coming from? Apparently, in the U.S.,

Speaker 1 during the Bush administration, they started an operation that was meant to track firearms being straw purchased in places like Arizona and other parts of the U.S.

Speaker 1 by individuals being gathered by cartel members, put into cars, and then driven down to Mexico to supply the cartels. The ATF was involved in all this.
Eric Holder was very involved in all this.

Speaker 1 Their plan or theory was we're going to track these guns when they go down to Mexico.

Speaker 1 But nothing got tracked, or at least we don't know of anything that got really tracked or any high-level arrest made because of the guns that they were just allowed to.

Speaker 1 What do you think is really going on? because that sounds like a bullshit cover we're just tracking these guns I mean what do you do when you want to destabilize a region if you're another country

Speaker 1 you give guns to the shitsuckers why would they want to destabilize them in in such an immoral way that they they needed this to happen so badly they were willing to give them weapons to kill each other

Speaker 1 I mean it's it's it's it's a back then it was a scene in the law cartel trying to fight control over the area over some people that were coming like the Zetas and other organizations and I don't know why why would you send guns to this specific region I'm not I'm not saying that the U.S.

Speaker 1 purposely armed a single cartel in Mexico but that's what it kind of looks like yeah you know that's what it looks like that's the only thing yeah and this was the purpose of it and this is what we saw because you know a lot of the a lot of the things that they were requesting because it looked like a laundry list that some of the stuff that they were bringing down 50 cali why do you you think 50 calibers started getting like were so hot back and still are so hot?

Speaker 1 It's because people started doing armor. So they need a way to getting through armor.
So 50 cals, right?

Speaker 1 And Americans, especially some of my American military and police friends, are always making fun of the fact that none of these big guys rifles have any sights on them.

Speaker 1 They do have sights on them, but they get stolen by the cops before they put them in front of the picture for the news.

Speaker 1 I've heard. I've heard.
It wasn't me.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. You got a nice, expensive

Speaker 1 red dot on that.

Speaker 1 Fuck you.

Speaker 1 These guys don't even have sights on their guns. They can shoot.
They can shoot far.

Speaker 1 They can shoot well. Some of them, not all of them.
Yeah, if they've got expensive guns, of course they've got sights. Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Yeah, but everything gets stripped off, you know.

Speaker 1 Donations. Of course.

Speaker 1 Makes sense. These started showing up in Mexico.
A bunch of people started dying. And then two federal agents that were doing a protection detail died down there during a cartel shootout.

Speaker 1 I'm not too sure on the details of this, but

Speaker 1 they were involved in a shootout in Mexico. They were doing a protection detail down there.
One of them was a Border Patrol agent assigned to this,

Speaker 1 Ryan Terry. He set up they s actually set up a founda they set up a foundation to in in his memory and I I think I raised like a few grand for this this foundation.

Speaker 1 And I did that only as a point to like be able to say, Yeah, yeah, I raised this money for this foundation to honor this fallen police officer that was going, that was in Mexico, that was killed by American guns that were given to the cartels.

Speaker 1 To bring attention to the fact that,

Speaker 1 you know, we know who Ryan Terry is, but do we know who my friends are who were killed by these guns?

Speaker 1 Or a lot of the unknown people that were killed by some of these guns that were allowed to walk through that border knowingly by ATF officials, even though the people running these gun shops were like, hey, dude, are you sure?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 they want like four AKs. Like, are you sure? Yeah, yeah, let them walk.

Speaker 1 They're under surveillance.

Speaker 1 We're tracking these.

Speaker 1 And they just go down.

Speaker 1 So if you had to imagine, no one's saying this is true, but if you had to imagine what kind of a deal would be made

Speaker 1 where you would guarantee the shipment of weapons from the United States into Mexico by the federal government

Speaker 1 for what purpose? To destabilize? Destabilize? Support a specific faction? Right, but that's the question. Why them? And, like, was it money? Was it influence? Were they working on something?

Speaker 1 You know, there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 We're in the realm of theory right now. Of course.
But

Speaker 1 Elmayo Sambada learned his tradecraft in Los Angeles

Speaker 1 50 years ago.

Speaker 1 And one of the people that was instrumental in showing him how to run drugs and move things through countries was a man who was a Castro-era police officer who was involved in the Bay of Pig incidents.

Speaker 1 That man married his Elmayo's sister, and that's who taught Elmayo Sambada everything he knew about moving things around.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 So I'm not going to say the CIA.

Speaker 1 But.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Well, you know,

Speaker 1 I've had Freeway Ricky Ross on the podcast multiple times. And for people who haven't seen those episodes or heard me talk about Ricky, Ricky is the real Rick Ross.

Speaker 1 Like, Rick Ross, the rapper, that's not his name. He named himself Rick Ross because Freeway Rickey was a legend.
He was a legend in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 He was the number one cocaine dealer in Los Angeles, and he was getting it all from the CIA. And he was helping funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

Speaker 1 And he had no idea because he couldn't even read. Yeah.
And that same

Speaker 1 Contra situation pops up again

Speaker 1 with the death of Akiki Kamarena, the DEA agent.

Speaker 1 One of the people, one of the, there was two major prisoner extraditions of cartel members from Mexico to the U.S. And the first one that came through, I think, a year ago was

Speaker 1 the apparent murderer of Kiki Kamarena, who was a cartel member.

Speaker 1 And they've always pinned it on him. Like he, like the cartels were, there was this giant grove of marijuana out there, and that Kiki Kamarenna saw it and reported it.

Speaker 1 And Carro Quintero, who owned this plantation, had him killed, right? And we actually went down to Jalisco, where he was tortured and killed and talked to the locals there.

Speaker 1 And they were like, Ah, la casa de la Cia, like the CIA house. They're like, what?

Speaker 1 That's what some of the people there say. And I have you ever seen the video of Michael Rupert, who was a friend of mine who passed away years back.

Speaker 1 He was a former Los Angeles narcotics officer, and he was on C-SPAN

Speaker 1 at at a hearing. And

Speaker 1 during the hearing, he said, I have personally witnessed the CIA selling drugs in Los Angeles, and everybody goes fucking crazy. It is the wildest thing to see, because this is like,

Speaker 1 Jamie, was that the 90s? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you remember?

Speaker 1 Were you around when Rupert was a guest? No. No.
Rupert was pre-Jamie. Wow.
Yeah. So Rupert was on a couple of times.

Speaker 1 And then he took his own life one time. He was very depressed.

Speaker 1 I I don't doubt that he took his life. He was living pretty destitute.
I think he was in a trailer.

Speaker 1 The end wasn't good, but there was a movie

Speaker 1 here. Listen,

Speaker 1 Mike Rupert, 1996. Let's play some of this because it is crazy.
It's crazy. This is all live on C-SPAN.

Speaker 6 I'm Los Angeles Police Narcotics Detective, and I work South Central Los Angeles, and I will tell you, Director Deutsch, emphatically, and can you speak further into the mic,

Speaker 6 I will tell you, Director Deutsch, as a former Los Angeles police narcotics detective, that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time.

Speaker 1 Yo,

Speaker 1 it was great. And he goes into detail.
And look, these are all LA people. They're like, fucking thank you.

Speaker 1 But this is like... The head of the CIA is up there, too.
Yeah, I believe.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 This is like conspiracy theory. This never happened, but there you go.

Speaker 1 Look at the head of the CIA.

Speaker 1 Look at him. I refer to it.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 8 Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 That guy's got a human skin suit on.

Speaker 1 That's a demon.

Speaker 1 Listen to when Rupert talks. Just wrote a note to that guy, too.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute here.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute. If you don't like what's going on here, please leave now.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Leave.
No, no, no.

Speaker 8 Leave now because there are others who do want to hear what's going on in this room.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Juanita for getting control of the room

Speaker 1 because everybody went nuts when he said that. So he elaborates.

Speaker 1 I mean, when you say it went nuts,

Speaker 1 he talks to the director.

Speaker 9 I have watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency.

Speaker 9 I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late 70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country.

Speaker 9 I have been trying to get this out for 18 years, and I have the evidence. My question for you is very specific, sir.

Speaker 9 If, in the course of the IG's investigations and Fred Hitz's work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity

Speaker 9 and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity, or will you tell the American people the truth?

Speaker 1 He's like, should I handle this? They're going to activate the bomb in his head right there.

Speaker 8 All right, you want to hear the response first from Congressman Julian Dixon and then from the director?

Speaker 1 He's like, I don't want to talk.

Speaker 8 Wait. Wait a minute.
From your

Speaker 8 I'm sorry, sir.

Speaker 1 I will allow the director. See that guy in the back with his fingers touching again?

Speaker 1 He's there to try and pull him out or something like that.

Speaker 10 You have information about CIA illegal activity.

Speaker 1 I don't know about those lines. That guy's doing Bill Gates answer.

Speaker 10 You should immediately bring that information to wherever you want, but let me suggest three places: the Los Angeles Police Department.

Speaker 9 If I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 I am sorry.

Speaker 6 Others want to hear this answer.

Speaker 1 Check out the dude in the front with the leopard hat and the leopard scarf.

Speaker 1 Amazing. Amazing segment of time.

Speaker 1 Or

Speaker 10 office of one of your Congress persons from this.

Speaker 8 Wait a minute, wait a minute, sir.

Speaker 1 You hear him? I did that 18 years ago. I got shot at for it.
Jamie,

Speaker 1 find the trailer for that movie they did with him. So they were interviewing him.
I forget what the entire premise of this thing was. They were interviewing him for something.
And he was so intense.

Speaker 1 They decided to do an entire movie of just Michael Rupert sitting in a chair in like a warehouse, smoking cigarettes and talking about the collapse of the global economy. Collapse.

Speaker 1 Play the trailer for this because it's so nuts. See if you can find the trailer trailer for collapsed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 the whole CIA thing is... This is Michael.

Speaker 2 We are all collectively responsible for what may be the greatest preventable Holocaust in the history of planet Earth.

Speaker 2 I have 30 years of experience as an investigative journalist. I've broken major scandals.
Going out to try and map how the world really worked as opposed to the way we were told it worked.

Speaker 2 Our map has proving deadly accurate. My economic predictions we had it so right.
In 2006, we said, get out of debt right now. Check your mortgage carefully.
We issued a whole series of warnings.

Speaker 7 There will be nothing like we have ever seen before.

Speaker 1 That's January 2006.

Speaker 2 We said it was going to happen is taking place right now. Gold prices, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the stock market.
It's not that Bernie Madoff was a pyramid scheme. The whole economy is a pyramid scheme.

Speaker 2 Of course, I've been called a conspiracy theorist, but I don't deal in conspiracy theory. I deal in conspiracy fact.

Speaker 2 The mortal blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil prices spike and nobody can afford to buy that oil, and everything will just shut down.

Speaker 2 Unlike the Great Depression, we do not have infinite resources. Nothing grows forever.
There is a cycle: birth, growth, maturation, decline, and death.

Speaker 2 Cars don't run. The mail stops getting delivered.
Planes don't fly. Law enforcement stops working.
This is all part of the collapse.

Speaker 2 If you're in a camp and a bear attacks, you don't have to be faster than the bear. You only have to be faster than the slowest camper.

Speaker 2 The challenge being faced by the human race now is either evolve or perish, grow up or die.

Speaker 2 You have to believe, not hope, not pray that there's a way out of it, and you're going to find it.

Speaker 1 The whole documentary, just this dude sitting there freaking you out.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 Mexico's UFOs are, it's always been like Mexico's Bigfoot is CIA.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 there have been Manuel Bendi, I think, was

Speaker 1 a writer in the 60s, 70s. He would talk about the CIA and he got shot.

Speaker 1 Recently, in the past 10 years, a bunch of CIA documents have come out of Mexican presidents being on the payroll by the CIA from

Speaker 1 all the Cold War era presidents were like CIA agents on the payroll.

Speaker 1 Mexico has this vision of the CIA and

Speaker 1 the U.S.'s responsibility for some of the things that are going on down there that are very different than the U.S.'s perception of responsibilities. And it's probably more accurate.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's direct.

Speaker 1 It was shocking to me when we were there at Kiki Kamarana, that house where he was kept and, I think, tortured and finally killed, that the people around there that have lived there when it happened,

Speaker 1 some of them would call that the CIA house. So that was a weird thing.

Speaker 1 And maybe they've been kind of like...

Speaker 1 polluted by all the all the stuff they've been looking at or seeing after that happened but or maybe they're just being accurate maybe they're just being accurate

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 Let's say this,

Speaker 1 again, realm of theory. You have

Speaker 1 the United States dealing with Mexico and a 9-11 happens, and then you're worried about things going through the border like a nuke, you know, you're paranoid.

Speaker 1 Do you entrust the Mexican government to keep that border safe and tell you if anything goes through that border? Or do you talk to the cartels that actually...

Speaker 1 own that border. Who do you talk to? You have to talk to the cartels.

Speaker 1 So I think there's always been a backdoor channel communication there going on, or direct communication going on of some sort.

Speaker 1 Which only makes sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And also makes.
I wonder how much of an influence it has in our drug laws.

Speaker 1 Because sensible drug laws would treat all drugs the same way we treat alcohol. Yeah.
Sensible. Because alcohol is a drug, and we know that when we had a prohibition, what lasted for how many years?

Speaker 1 Like 13 years in this country?

Speaker 1 It did nothing but prop up organized crime. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 last time I came here, I was on my way to becoming alcohol sober. So alcohol is a very dangerous drug.
You can kill yourself with it very easily. You can buy a bottle that will kill you.
Yep.

Speaker 1 In any store. Any store.

Speaker 1 I had to lock myself in a fucking ranch. I did it old school, just fucking locked it up.
How long did it take?

Speaker 1 My whole life, it's going to take, I think. I'm always going to be.
I like to think about it, you know, sometimes.

Speaker 1 But I've been sober for about four years now. Congratulations.
Thank you. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 But hard to do. It is not easy.

Speaker 1 I don't have the addiction gene, the physical addiction gene. I don't know why.
But like even I chew on these nicotine pouches all the time. I went on vacation and I said, no nicotine.

Speaker 1 Let's see what happens. For five days, I was fine.
Nothing. Coffee, I said, I'm going to quit coffee.
I quit coffee for five days. Like, no, no weirdness.
Yeah, I think for me, it was medication.

Speaker 1 When I got out of work,

Speaker 1 I had loads of PTSD the first time I was on the podcast. We talked a little bit about it.
And then afterwards, you like gave me some names of some people that you talked to. And I did.

Speaker 1 I went out and looked out for help. Eventually, I just got sober.
But

Speaker 1 it's insane to me how differently alcohol gets treated versus all other substances. It's one of the only ones that if you get off it too quick, you'll die.
Yes. Which I did research.

Speaker 1 Did you get real close to that?

Speaker 1 I started feeling my heart do shit. Oh, did you think, well, I'll just have a little drinky poo and get back on track and do this slowly, a slow drip?

Speaker 1 When I left the studio the last time, you're still in L.A.,

Speaker 1 my marriage ended around that same time.

Speaker 1 And I had a few things going on, PTSD and trying to figure things out and drinking myself to sleep every third day because it's the only way I can go through a sleepless, through a dreamless night

Speaker 1 was unsustainable.

Speaker 1 So my life was falling apart and I had to like do something. I had a friend who owns a big ranch and he had a cabin that I could stay in.
He said, hey. You can stay here.
How long did it take to...

Speaker 1 I got there and I didn't want to feel like a freeloader, so I got there and I gave them. They had a little small community

Speaker 1 school there for the kids, so I brought a TV and like DVDs and gave them all this stuff. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Stay here.

Speaker 1 He stood me in front of everybody and said, This guy's an alcoholic. If I catch anybody, give him an alcohol.
Or if you see him giving him alcohol, you're out.

Speaker 1 Embarrassed me. Like, I felt like shit.

Speaker 1 But it gave me what I needed.

Speaker 1 Third night.

Speaker 1 Shakes and sweats. Yeah.
Just wild dreams.

Speaker 1 I think I pissed myself, but it was a sweat.

Speaker 1 Then I started getting like heart chest pains and shit like that going on. And I think it took me about

Speaker 1 two weeks, I think, to really

Speaker 1 be

Speaker 1 on the level.

Speaker 1 Don't do it that way. It's a stupid way of doing it.

Speaker 1 You'll almost die.

Speaker 1 Eventually I got it. Some people do, right? Yeah.
I think that's how Amy Winehouse died. Yes.
That's probably, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Isn't that the case, Jamie? Don't they think that Amy Winehouse died from complications of alcoholism, of trying to get sober? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is. It is.

Speaker 1 You feel it. Whatever

Speaker 1 people often say, I feel like I'm dying. Like, no, that feels like you're dying.
Like

Speaker 1 somebody's sitting on your chest

Speaker 1 and you can't get up. And also your brain is screaming for something that it can't get.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Alcohol poisoning after binge drinking following a period of abstinence. Oh, even worse.

Speaker 1 Eventually, I started speaking about it.

Speaker 1 I was embarrassed about it, but I started writing about it and publishing on my Instagram account, just like my experience with it. And I

Speaker 1 got a lot of help from a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Did you ever do Ibogaine?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 It it did things. It uh opened up a few worm cans of worms of the past in me.
Uh but it uh yeah,

Speaker 1 it it helped.

Speaker 1 Um

Speaker 1 that's the one thing that I hear over and over again for people that do suffer from PTSD and people that do suffer from addiction. Yeah.
Ibogaine's the one. It it uh

Speaker 1 it's like a weird convers it's like a weird it's like you you've avoided these very specific things for decades and now there's no way of avoiding them and they're there and it's like

Speaker 1 you know

Speaker 1 I don't know I don't like I don't wanna

Speaker 1 it it

Speaker 1 it it led me on a path and

Speaker 1 it specifically opened up a bunch of doors for me in the realm of

Speaker 1 you know you know I'm the cartel guy and like I used to do this and that's what I do when I train people on that. But then I'm some

Speaker 1 guy going through alcohol sobriety in public. You know,

Speaker 1 I had Randy Blythe, the lead singer of Lamb of God, reach out out of nowhere. This random guy that I used to listen to when I was working, you know, my headphones.

Speaker 1 He's like, hey, Ed, you know, he's speaking about your sobriety. If you need, do you have a sponsor? I was like, I never went to AA.
I just fucking locked myself in a room.

Speaker 1 You're stupid for doing that.

Speaker 1 But he's like, I'll be your sponsor. He's so easy.
Oh, wow. So he started.
How fucking cool is that?

Speaker 1 Still a sponsor.

Speaker 1 He is.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 He's an amazing guy.

Speaker 1 That's why I call him when I'm close.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 yes, it is insane to think about the fact that the bottle of a bottle of liquor you can buy at the store will kill you.

Speaker 1 All you have to show is your ID.

Speaker 1 Well, it's the problem of addiction. You know,

Speaker 1 this is the actual fuel

Speaker 1 that runs the cartel.

Speaker 1 There's a giant problem in the United States of people and this appetite for illegal narcotics. Yes.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 this pretending that people aren't doing these drugs and like the pretending that making them illegal is going to stop this. No, all you're doing is propping up the cartel.

Speaker 1 That's all you're doing is funding the cartel.

Speaker 1 And then also helping the alcohol lobbyists in this country. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The perfect storm was

Speaker 1 the outbreak of the prescription opioid epidemic in this country.

Speaker 1 That was like this initiation of what later turned into like, oh, well, this is off the table now because we passed all these laws and didn't put some people in jail that should have that should be in prison, some families that I don't know how they're free.

Speaker 1 But then what takes its place?

Speaker 1 Somewhere in Mexico, people were growing poppies and they said, well, let's add a little bit of fentanyl into these very weak poppy yields of heroin and see what it does.

Speaker 1 And it kicked. Oh, so that was the source of it, that the heroin was weak?

Speaker 1 These hillsides have been leached for years from growing wheat on them.

Speaker 1 Oh, so the topsoil was bad.

Speaker 1 They were doing monocrop agriculture with drugs.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Industrial monocrop agriculture with drugs led to fentanyl being introduced into them to make it more potent.

Speaker 1 Wow. And also, weed legalization in parts like California led to interesting phenomenons.
Some of these fields were no longer profitable, so they would switch to poppy.

Speaker 1 And one thing that people don't realize is that a lot of these things get tested out first in the markets in Mexico. Because Mexico has giant drug markets and that are fought over and people will

Speaker 1 try this you know try this oh boy it's like trial samples that they hand out at the supermarket

Speaker 1 oh no so at some point in the past somebody down in jalisco probably tried the first load of mexican fentanyl loaded heroin

Speaker 1 Somebody somewhere out there probably did the first hit and was like, holy shit, this is good. You got a winner here.
Or died immediately. Or did they say, hey, that's a little too potent.

Speaker 1 Because the amount of fentanyl that you need to kill somebody is so small. Yeah, but it was a hit here, though.
It was a giant hit here in the U.S.

Speaker 1 And then you is it as big a problem in Mexico as it is in the United States? No.

Speaker 1 The reason is the reason is wild, though. It's not because Mexico cracks down a fentanyl and there's no fentanyl in the streets.

Speaker 1 It's because the cartels down there will kill you if they catch you selling that shit locally.

Speaker 1 Wow. Because this poison is meant to export.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 If the cartels catch you selling anything that isn't from them or fentanyl in certain areas, they'll kill you. So that's the that's the best.
That's the Mexican dare program. That is so crazy.

Speaker 1 Like, they know it's bad. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, yeah, they know.
And

Speaker 1 you see some of these cartels publicly claim, like, ah, we're we don't deal in this fentanyl thing. This is not us.

Speaker 1 Fentanyl as a whole, I think, in the U.S. is kind of down.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I know that not all of it or not most of it is now coming from Mexico. I mean, you'll get pill shipments of fentanyl pills coming from Mexico,

Speaker 1 a lot of those.

Speaker 1 But you also get fentanyl in the mail all over the U.S.

Speaker 1 There's a loophole that is finally being closed about exporting things into the United States. So if they're below $800 or something like that, they don't get the full scan.

Speaker 1 So I know for a fact there are cartels or groups of people in the United States organizing, shipping things to the United States that have fentanyl in them, and they started loading, and they're selling fentanyl loaded substances into the U.S.

Speaker 1 without any sort of cartel or Mexican involvement. That is also happening in the U.S.

Speaker 1 And the precursors for this stuff all come from China, correct? They all come from China. And

Speaker 1 this is

Speaker 1 my observation, I guess.

Speaker 1 When COVID hit, these precursors started getting really rare for some of these organizations, specifically the Senior Law Cartel, was actually getting their fentanyl in the U.S.

Speaker 1 from some of the last shipments that they were receiving in the ports in the U.S. because the U.S.
kept the ports open for a bit longer.

Speaker 1 So you had cases of people, cartel members, getting caught with fentanyl smuggling into Mexico.

Speaker 1 Because they didn't get their regular supply from China from the regular ports.

Speaker 1 And that's what they were utilizing to infuse the the drugs that they would send over to the US. But the one that didn't have any of those issues was the new generation cartel

Speaker 1 because they own

Speaker 1 a lot of the ports on both sides of the country. And also they've always had,

Speaker 1 I don't know, this,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say that the People's Republic of China purposely has been sending fentanyl or has been turning a blind eye to all this phenomenon as a way to fuck with the U.S.

Speaker 1 It's probably the case, though. Yeah.
It's It's probably the case. Well it seems like that would be a good move if you want to destabilize a country.

Speaker 1 How about you get hundreds of thousands of people hooked on this terrible drug? Yeah. And I mean they're all they're all over the illegal weed trade in the U.S.
as well right now.

Speaker 1 Hundreds of them I saw on the border crossing in single file.

Speaker 1 I was watching some video that some guy made about Maine, about there's this town in Maine, but there's all these Chinese nationals living there and they've taken over weed operations in Maine.

Speaker 1 It's wild.

Speaker 1 When we talked about Vietnam, I think Mexico is a weird Vietnam in a lot of ways

Speaker 1 because you see foreign influences in Mexico in different ways. The current administration is very close with Venezuela and Cuba, which are enemies of the United States.

Speaker 1 They're pretty friendly with them.

Speaker 1 So that's one influence in the country.

Speaker 1 All of these precursors and and supplies, and all of these involve Chinese chemists, industrialists, individuals.

Speaker 1 A lot of the cartels were basically hiding their money through Chinese banking institutions. That's the way you hide money from the U.S.
You know, you put it, you take it to a Chinese money broker.

Speaker 1 He puts it in the Chinese banking institution. You go to Mexico.
You have a shell company down there or a real company down there. And then you hire investments with that Chinese company.

Speaker 1 Now you have legitimate money just transferring from one end to the other. And nobody's the wiser.
So,

Speaker 1 Mexico is a war, is a warfield or a battle, a battle is being played out in Mexico that has a lot to do with the United States and affecting the interests of the United States.

Speaker 1 And China is clearly not the U.S.'s friend in this battle, probably.

Speaker 1 And things have changed, the dynamics have changed, but you can clearly see that

Speaker 1 at some point,

Speaker 1 people in China, and when it's

Speaker 1 I've heard people say that the largest

Speaker 1 intelligence organization in the world is a Chinese,

Speaker 1 the Chinese government, because everybody in China is part of the intelligence apparatus, basically.

Speaker 1 So it's hard for me to believe that all these industrialists and all these chemists come to Mexico and show these cartel members how to cook, manufacture, make,

Speaker 1 or actually fabricate. Like they've been fabricating fentanyl in Mexico.
There have been a few laboratories found in Mexico where they're actually making fentanyl in Mexico. This is very common now.

Speaker 1 But they learned their tradecraft and skill craft from people from China.

Speaker 1 How can the Chinese government have these people moving in and out of the country and showing these things back and forth and not like, oh, we don't know anything about this? Right.

Speaker 1 They're probably directed to do it. I don't know.
Look, it makes sense. It makes sense.

Speaker 1 You know, there's so many countries that are involved in destabilizing America, just like we're involved in destabilizing other countries.

Speaker 1 There's a whack-a-mole game that's going on all over the world.

Speaker 1 Trendaragua, which is talked about a lot here in the U.S., these Venezuelan gangs, they're operating in central Mexico openly now.

Speaker 1 There's power vacuums all over the country where all these cartel guys are getting hit and people are...

Speaker 1 The age of the large organizations is probably coming to an end. Sinaloa is the Sinaloa cartel doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 1 There's smaller factions basically in control, which is allowing things to come in.

Speaker 1 Trendarawa are these Venezuelan gangs that are operating in a way where the Mexican government hasn't hasn't dealt with that. It's more like uh localized gang shit, you know.
Um

Speaker 1 gum gamora, like Italian mafia type dealings that they have. So they're they're which is like old school Mexican cartels used to do.
So now they're having to de-evolve.

Speaker 1 W I mentioned this because I I I I talked to some people who are actively working against that federally in Mexico.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, we hear these mentions of Maduro, the president of Venezuela, being placed on that

Speaker 1 50 million, I think they're offering for his head. And he's basically now the head of the giant cartel,

Speaker 1 which is an interesting narrative that the U.S. is putting out there now.
Is that real? I don't know.

Speaker 1 You see a lot of these Venezuelan Ternanwa people

Speaker 1 having clear

Speaker 1 knowledge and skills and training.

Speaker 1 And then they're operating in Mexico clearly with some sort of command or directive structure that isn't clear.

Speaker 1 There's no who's the head of the Zendaragua cartel.

Speaker 1 Nobody's going to tell you. They don't know

Speaker 1 who's supplying them,

Speaker 1 who's sending them out, who's controlling them,

Speaker 1 who's organizing what.

Speaker 1 And it's like a destabilizing thing element, I think.

Speaker 1 It's interesting that

Speaker 1 when we hear this new mention of

Speaker 1 authorized military actions in South America, they don't say Mexico specifically, they say just South America, and a very big thing that comes up is Venezuela and Mexico.

Speaker 1 I think whatever the U.S. is attempting is beyond cartel and drugs.

Speaker 1 This is about regional stability now and security.

Speaker 1 Mexico's industrial plant is the most valuable resource on the planet right now, I think, moving into the future. It's poised to be the next China.

Speaker 1 And the U.S. sees this.
And what does the U.S. need more than anything right now? An industrial plant.
Right.

Speaker 1 And where is it going to get one?

Speaker 1 Mexico.

Speaker 1 And Maduro, is this the first time where there's been a gigantic bounty on a president of a South American country in our lifetime?

Speaker 1 I don't remember anybody else with one of those. But it's barely making the news.

Speaker 1 It's wild. It's wild.
He's the president of a country. The president franked $50 million for his capture.
Yeah, and he's on the TV screaming. He has these daily fucking.

Speaker 1 How does he keep from getting kidnapped? I have no idea. They've tried to kill him.
They tried to blow him up with a drone once.

Speaker 1 I imagine for 50 mil,

Speaker 1 some high-level guys might snatch him up. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how that works as far as a bounty on him, but he's worried. He's mobilized militia forces all over the country.

Speaker 1 There was three years ago or five years ago, a bunch of Americans were apparently hired by these private institutions, private groups, to go and try and liberate Venezuela, and they all got caught by fishermen on the coast.

Speaker 1 I think they got caught by fishermen. There were some fishermen on the coast that were like, hey, what were these guys doing here fucking with the

Speaker 1 50 cal on top of a pickup truck? And I think

Speaker 1 they were grabbed and they were put on media. And like, oh, these guys are all people.

Speaker 1 I think one of them did security for a Trump event, so they put it all on Trump. Trump organized this.
I don't know the whole of the details.

Speaker 1 This is like a little bit out of my wheelhouse, but what I've heard is that a lot of that money actually came from Cuban intelligence people who were just trying to orchestrate an embarrassing moment for the U.S.

Speaker 1 by paying all these mercenaries who are American to try and liberate Venezuela and just catching them. Wow.
I think something like that's happened.

Speaker 1 there's a lot of gold coming out of that country. It has a lot of gold.
There's a lot of shady things coming in and out of that country.

Speaker 1 Any country that is outside of the scope of friends of the United States is a country where shady shit can happen. Jamie, what is the official reason why they have a bounty on Maduro?

Speaker 5 Is a cocaine smuggling operation as allowing or responsible for? And Mexico, the president, says they don't have any evidence of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, see see?

Speaker 1 And it's it's but you don't have any evidence of that, but there's a bunch of in Venezuelan organizations in Mexico that you're fighting against, you know. That are clearly involved in smuggling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that clearly have some sort of free movement between Venezuela and Mexico.

Speaker 1 What's going on? What is going on?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 we're headed for something.

Speaker 1 Last time I was here, I said in five years we're going to see some sort of direct military intervention in Mexico, which has already happened, I think, with the arrest of Lamayo Sambala.

Speaker 1 I kind of called the whole terrorist designation thing. I said

Speaker 1 I didn't think he was going to do it on his first term, but the second one.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he skipped a term, and then

Speaker 1 we had some time, and then he came back with a force.

Speaker 1 What do you think would happen if he didn't win?

Speaker 1 If who didn't win? If Trump didn't win, the border stayed wide open. Oh,

Speaker 1 I'm an immigrant,

Speaker 1 Joe,

Speaker 1 and I've seen

Speaker 1 that side of policy in the US and how it's affected

Speaker 1 the community and generally the people.

Speaker 1 But on the other end, I've also experienced Biden and the open borders policy and the amounts of

Speaker 1 horrible shit that I saw on that border and people being a bunch of kids that went missing or kids that were like, What's going on with all these kids and why do they have armbands and

Speaker 1 all these migrants? Human trafficking. Yeah.
All these migrant camps being set up on the border and which

Speaker 1 generally good people don't want to believe that human trafficking is a real business. It is the big business.
Child trafficking is a real business. It is a real business.
It is a big business.

Speaker 1 And most of anything related to sex trafficking, specifically related to children, what part of the world do you think is the largest market for it? It's the United States.

Speaker 1 They're always catching people too. They catch people and you're like, how many have they not caught? Yeah.
You know, whenever they catch some new guy that's in trouble.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 phenomenon that's going on that I don't see a lot of people talk about is that the fact that a lot of Americans who are into this moved to Mexico and in Mexico is harder to find some of these people.

Speaker 1 So a lot of the, in some of these expat community places, there are people hiding out who are petal.

Speaker 1 And they don't no longer have to figure out stuff in the U.S. So they're moving down there and they're doing some of that down there.

Speaker 1 Trafficking of children, the sales of children,

Speaker 1 child theft, kidnappings are common in Mexico. They're very common in Mexico.

Speaker 1 And it's not something that you hear a lot about, but...

Speaker 1 masses of people and children being moved up into the border have had some sort of organized effort with them to like help that out.

Speaker 1 You know, if you're a cartel member and you're on the border and all of a sudden you see

Speaker 1 14 kids that are all asleep,

Speaker 1 you're like, what the?

Speaker 1 Why are all these kids like asleep? Oh, they're tired from the trip. I mean, I have a kid, you know.

Speaker 1 She's like, I stop at a Starbucks and she wakes up, like, where are you getting? Right? Right.

Speaker 1 All these kids are like asleep. They're drugged.
So they carry them drugged up into the all the way up to the border.

Speaker 1 This is Biden era.

Speaker 1 So they would drug all

Speaker 1 these kids to not make them interact with anybody that might ask them any questions, basically. They put an armed man on them, and they had some sort of organized effort on the U.S.

Speaker 1 side to receive them and put them wherever they need to be.

Speaker 1 All of that was shady. All of that was really shady.

Speaker 1 I don't know. That's so horrific.
I don't know what happens on this side. I don't know what happens on this side.
I know that

Speaker 1 as an immigrant myself, I know that this administration, specifically in this part of its

Speaker 1 history and what's happening right now, is there's a lot of stress and fear.

Speaker 1 I see the effects of it

Speaker 1 in different industries from agricultural to culture to just this general anxiety

Speaker 1 that is felt across the country by people of my color skin that look Mexican or are Mexican, you know.

Speaker 1 But I also am not blind to or not stupid enough to see and compare it to the past administration and some of the shit that went on there. That's the problem, is it's an over-correction.

Speaker 1 The problem is when you have an open border and you do know that cartel members are just freely going across and you do have human trafficking and you want to stop it, then you want to get everybody out that came in during the last four years.

Speaker 1 So now you have 20 million people you have to account for. Yeah.
And the problem is some of them are good people. Some of them are not gang members.

Speaker 1 Most of them are just people that wanted a better life. Most of them.
But they have mandates now and mandates get creepy because then people become numbers.

Speaker 1 And if you say we got to get rid of X amount every day,

Speaker 1 then you just show up at Home Depot and you get some hardworking guy with a family who just wants to like do some roofing jobs. Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 1 dude selling flowers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Ladies selling fruit in cups. And then there's this pushback on amnesty.
People have this crazy pushback.

Speaker 1 Like if someone's been here for 20 years, they've been working on a farm and they're good people and they've established a family here. Let's figure out a pathway to amnesty.

Speaker 1 And then there's the hard right pushback to like, fuck you. You got here illegally.
Get the fuck out. It's like, those are jobs Americans could do.
It's like.

Speaker 1 i mean

Speaker 1 well first of all my take on that is if you're using illegal labor at the very at the bottom line what you're doing is not paying people what they should be paid illegal immigration is illegal because people want it to remain so because they need that cheap labor that's that's another addiction someone explained that to me that he was having a conversation with this extremely wealthy guy who was upset at the crackdown on the border because they need illegal workers.

Speaker 1 It's a part of their business model because you don't have to pay them any benefits. You don't have to pay them whatever the.
They're off the books. Yeah, exactly.
And they can't complain. If they do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is

Speaker 1 that's not good.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't have that. So they should find out, first of all, forget about whether or not someone's illegal or not.
Like, what are you paying them?

Speaker 1 You should have like a detailed record of how much everybody who works for you gets paid. And if there's a bunch of people that are working for you that aren't on record, what's going on? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, why do you have this enormous corporation that relies on illegal labor?

Speaker 1 There are legal means of coming up to the U.S. and migrating or as a worker,

Speaker 1 but it's... It's hard.
That's the problem if you're poor. If you're poor, it's almost impossible.

Speaker 1 I have good friends that have immigrated to the United States, and they have to prove that their job is something that can't be done by an American, or that they're exceptional at their job.

Speaker 1 When I went through my immigration process, I had my wife, who I've known since I was 16, next to me and my daughter.

Speaker 1 And they didn't believe that our marriage was real.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 1 So I did it legally and I had all of the things that I needed to have to have that immigration go through and it was the most difficult process that I've ever gone through.

Speaker 1 And I can't imagine other people that have,

Speaker 1 I don't know. How about they don't speak English, right? How about they have no money?

Speaker 1 But there are quotas for other countries. Like, I remember when I got mine, there was like a Nigerian dude that couldn't speak English, and he got it.
And I got, like, we need more information.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 1 And that's another aspect of it. Again, somebody brown in this country that is an immigrant.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, it's the foundation of most cities.

Speaker 1 I mean, crazy. I'll just.
Ever see that documentary, A Day Without Mexicans. Yeah.
The fucking whole country shuts down, especially LA. I mean,

Speaker 1 the California fires and all the houses that were gone, like

Speaker 1 people in construction, you go to some of these work sites,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 You could, you, you, like, oh, it's going to stay. Yeah, exactly.
And

Speaker 1 it's been wild seeing that and the effects it has had on just general

Speaker 1 on the on the Mexican side is fear and anger and like more anti-American feelings, you know.

Speaker 1 Um, and also this new arrival of these Americans, because think about this.

Speaker 1 And I have a friend that I, that I sometimes help out in places like Tijuana, where we recent deportees show up in Tijuana, and there's a lot of them right now.

Speaker 1 Imagine you live in the U.S. from when you're two years old, all the way to your 30s.
And then they tell you.

Speaker 1 Right. And then now you're in a shanty town in Tijuana.
Crazy.

Speaker 1 That doesn't make any sense. That's immoral.
Speaking the clearest English, like,

Speaker 1 somehow they pay taxes for all this period. So, like,

Speaker 1 look, I paid my taxes. And, like,

Speaker 1 some of them have careers. Some of them have families.
They left behind kids. That is the kind of shit that drives me nuts.
That's insane. Like, they should be grandfathered in.

Speaker 1 You should figure out a way. Like, if someone came over here when they're two, stop.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Stop.

Speaker 1 The amount of people getting kind of separated and also the, I mean, they're, they're not.

Speaker 1 We have

Speaker 1 we have a we have a situation right now where there's American homeless people in Tijuana asking for money. Whoa.
Right. That's one thing.

Speaker 1 And we also have people that you think are American, but they're actually Mexicans who are recently deported, who are living in very dire conditions. And,

Speaker 1 hey you want a job I can't speak Spanish like dude oh my god so so it's like and this is a phenomenon that's happening across the border and on this side I didn't even think about people that can't speak Spanish some of them can't speak Spanish oh my god I met one I met a dude that again he I think he was since he was two he was brought across and he found out that he

Speaker 1 He found out that he didn't have any, he found out that he had any paperwork, I think, at 18 when I was doing some sort of process. And they're like, wait, where's your birth certificate? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And he got caught up, I think,

Speaker 1 somewhere in LA.

Speaker 1 And, you know, he sent down.

Speaker 1 This perception that it's all criminals is. No.
No.

Speaker 1 Well, they're saying it's all criminals because if you come here illegally, it's a crime. Okay, so it was a two-year-old criminal.

Speaker 1 Two-year-old hardened criminal in his diaper. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 That's fucking insane.

Speaker 1 I think you're spot on when you say this is an over-correction. Yes.

Speaker 1 I think that is a very true statement. It's also treating people like numbers.
Yes. And, you know, and not having the resources to look at each individual case,

Speaker 1 not having enough manpower and people, and also everybody loses their compassion. You just deal with it over and over and over again.
You're like, enough. Yeah.
What's your story?

Speaker 1 That's not really your kid. That's not really your wife.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 People,

Speaker 1 they get lied to enough that they lose their humanity. Yeah, I understand that aspect of it.
It's horrible. But, you know, this is, this is,

Speaker 1 we're going to live with the consequences of this, and our kids are going to live with the consequences of this probably in the future. And when people look back.
The national karma of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when people look back at this, you know,

Speaker 1 the United States leaving Afghanistan as it did guaranteed that it's going to be very hard for America to find friends internationally now, realistically.

Speaker 1 However, it deals with Mexico in the next few years is

Speaker 1 going to define this nation.

Speaker 1 Whatever's happening right now, whatever deals are being done,

Speaker 1 whatever this administration is pointing at is going to define us.

Speaker 1 I mean, my kids are going to have to live with the results of this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What were the there was mass deportations going on during the Obama administration, too.

Speaker 1 This is what a lot of people aren't aware of. They used to call him the deporter-in-chief.

Speaker 1 And this is one thing that just makes me nuts because whenever I hear people up here, they want to vilify just one side, I guess. Yeah, you can't do that.
It's a trap. Yeah, that's a trap.

Speaker 1 When Obama was,

Speaker 1 he deported a lot of people. I think it was somewhere around 3 million people.
It was like this.

Speaker 1 How many people did the Obama administration deport over the entire eight years?

Speaker 1 I think it was like 3 million people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why was he deporting so many people?

Speaker 1 Pressure.

Speaker 1 He probably had some sort of political pressure. I'm not sure.
But the thing I point at is that

Speaker 1 within my same community, they try and point at people in politics as like, no, but he's part of the Democratic Party. He's going to help us.
You know, whatever

Speaker 1 governor it is in whatever state. Yeah.
But no, he was a part of the same party that supported Obama, and Obama was doing all this.

Speaker 1 3,307,000. So what is that total on the left, Jamie?

Speaker 5 Total apprehensions, and then the medal number you just read is the border, U.S.-Mexico border apprehensions.

Speaker 1 So those are just apprehensions, or what about deportations?

Speaker 1 And then removal.

Speaker 5 Total deportations is 5 million.

Speaker 1 5 million.

Speaker 5 That's not just Mexico. It's kind of the point it's making.

Speaker 1 Right. 5 million.

Speaker 5 Bush administration, 10 million.

Speaker 5 Clinton administration, 12.3.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 How many is Trump deported?

Speaker 1 I was talking somewhere else. Let's find that out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 the perception of the villainy, like in the community,

Speaker 1 it's about pointing to those are the enemy, these are our friends, those are the enemies, these are friends.

Speaker 1 What they're doing exactly right here, you know, people get so caught up in, you know, it's MAGA versus the Democrats. Like, you're being played.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're You're getting fucked no matter who's in office. The whole thing is a scam.
And it's these giant corporations are laughing in your face. The whole thing has nothing to do with you.

Speaker 1 You're just a little pawn.

Speaker 1 And they use TikTok too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they use, there's so much propaganda being going on online.

Speaker 1 In my mind,

Speaker 1 I always think about this first. Like,

Speaker 1 I'm an immigrant. I'm new here.
I'm trying to figure things out. I've seen more of the United States than most Americans.
I think I'm missing Hawaii, Iowa, and Alaska, but I've been every other place.

Speaker 1 I was in a room in Tennessee watching a bunch of dudes dance with poisonous snakes at one point. Oh, boy.
You went to a snake handler place?

Speaker 1 Beautiful experience.

Speaker 1 Americans go down to Mexico and watch bullfights.

Speaker 1 And when I was there, I was like,

Speaker 1 I'm doing exactly the same shit you guys are doing. Shit up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I grew up around snakes. I used to hunt them and sell the skin skin to the bootmakers and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 How did you get in contact with snake handlers?

Speaker 1 I do a lot of training across the country for police, government institutions, privately. And we got a, I did a medical class out in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 And somebody there is like, hey, Ed, you're going, like, we want to show you around, show you around. You want to go see a moonshine distillery? He's like, nah.

Speaker 1 Like I said, hey, are there any of these types of churches around here?

Speaker 1 it's like, yeah, why would you want to go there? Because it's exotic to me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to go there too. I want to see.
Yeah. I can't tell you too much about them.
We told me to keep it low-key. But when I went there, they asked me, Are you Christian? I was like, I'm Catholic.

Speaker 1 So you're not Christian. Catholic is Christian.
No, according to them, it's a satanic institution. Oh.

Speaker 1 But I said, okay.

Speaker 1 Are you ready to accept their true words? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to see right

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 baskets start kind of getting pulled out and

Speaker 1 you know i again i grew up around snakes so i know what a what a basket with a snake might kind of shh there's something in there i thought they were defanged in my mind

Speaker 1 those things are definitely real poisonous snakes i don't know if they give them something so so they're like chill no they die all the time those guys yeah one got whacked recently yeah but but they were still like handling them.

Speaker 1 They're just fucking proving their faith with these snakes. Well, if you're handling snakes all the time, they get accustomed to you handling them.
Yeah. As long as you're feeding them.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, that's cool, but I don't have enough faith.

Speaker 1 I think as long as you keep them fed and they don't feel like they're in danger, I don't think they're going to fuck you up.

Speaker 1 It's like when you encounter them in the wild, it's like they're just protecting themselves. They don't want to get you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But there were some pictures around of some of the people that didn't have enough faith, I guess. Oh,

Speaker 1 got whacked? Yeah. Did they die or did they just like?

Speaker 1 I mean, I think they have pictures there of people that passed. Because some people don't die.
You just get horrible necrosis around the wound. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where you need massive skin grafts and you lose like half your fucking muscle tissue and your leg. Yeah.

Speaker 1 See if you can find that article about a guy recently, snake handler, who got killed

Speaker 1 on the Trump thing before I move on. Okay.
He did his first term. He did half

Speaker 5 during uh during his first four years he did 1.5 million deportations that's about half of Obama's first term which was 2.9 wow and same about the same as Biden's term which is 1.49 also and what is he at now I mean they're only six months into the year

Speaker 1 how crazy is it that Biden deported 1.5 49 million while letting in 20

Speaker 1 Like, what do you think they were doing? Was that a part of destabilization?

Speaker 1 I know there was also efforts to move people to specific states so that you can get a larger number for the census, so you get more congressional seats.

Speaker 1 This is a dark thing that people don't want to admit because they're a died-in-the-wool Democrat, but listen, it is.

Speaker 1 Remember who to vote for? And they just get dropped out. I had a conversation with my parents about it, and they're like, no.
I'm like, yes, it's about congressional seats.

Speaker 1 It's like the census counts illegals. And not only that, they're trying to make it so that those people can vote.

Speaker 1 And if you can make it so that those people people could vote, then all of a sudden you ship these people to a place, you give them EBD cards, you get them on food stamps, you give them Medicaid money,

Speaker 1 they have money.

Speaker 1 And now,

Speaker 1 who are you going to vote for? You're going to vote for the people who got you money.

Speaker 1 People who give you the food stamps.

Speaker 1 Who are you going to vote for? You're going to vote for the people that shipped you to Springfield, Ohio. This is a good spot.
And why do you think that is? Like, yes,

Speaker 1 boats, congressional seats is one.

Speaker 1 Swing states. Swing states.

Speaker 1 Net population growth? I think there's a little of that, too.

Speaker 1 There's population collapse. There's a population, I mean, nobody's immigrant.
There's no immigrant crisis in China right now. Right.

Speaker 1 And I think they're on their way to probably collapsing if they go through this downturn in their population. I think the U.S.

Speaker 1 is, at some points of its history, I think, has been kind of close to that.

Speaker 1 Japan is in the middle of it. South Korea is experiencing it.

Speaker 1 And I ask because

Speaker 1 I'm trying to find logic between deporting the Biden administration doing that and then opening the door in that way.

Speaker 1 For me, it's always been interesting how a lot of these migrant caravans have a story or a narrative in their head all the way from

Speaker 1 where they're coming from up into the U.S. So, like

Speaker 1 Sean Ryan was here a while ago, and I think he mentioned that we actually went, I took him down to TJ to one of these migrant caravans that was right on the border.

Speaker 1 And I told him, hey, Sean, you want to talk to some of these people? Ah, sure. And he got a kick out of the fact that in the middle of this camp, there was a giant Biden flag flying.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 that wasn't the funniest thing. I'll see if I could send you the picture.

Speaker 1 All of the guys that we were interviewing, this was still COVID mask era. Some of them had Make America Great Again masks on.

Speaker 1 I have no idea who gave them those, but somebody with a sense of humor probably did.

Speaker 1 I have a picture of me and Sean Ryan with some of the people that we interviewed and they have the Make America Great Again masks on.

Speaker 1 But they were told by the organizers that

Speaker 1 they had a clear path to the U.S.

Speaker 1 And all they needed to do was

Speaker 1 make a lot of noise on the border. you know, make a lot of newsworthy events on the border, talk to all the press they could, and somebody there was keeping tabs, and then they could go.

Speaker 1 Wow. That that was their the the mindset that a lot of them had, which is a weird one, you know.

Speaker 1 And then some of them would talk to us about the fact that they would get aid from the U like from Americans would come down and give them their camps, their tents, USAID.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 and uh, there was a lot of dollars being handed out to pay for things, so it was all it was shady, right? Now, like, I actually talked to three,

Speaker 1 I think they were Honduran.

Speaker 1 They just got to the border.

Speaker 1 Now

Speaker 1 their

Speaker 1 idea is to go to Europe.

Speaker 1 They have this weird sense that somebody told them somewhere down there that Europe is taking immigrants. So they're trying to make their way to Mexico.
So from Mexico, they want to go to Europe.

Speaker 1 They're not looking at the U.S. anymore, which is a weird change in their narrative.
Well, you see the mass immigration in Europe as bananas. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's really crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And again, I

Speaker 1 but what is it about? Like, why?

Speaker 1 Why would someone organize this? Why would someone fund this?

Speaker 1 I don't know, destabilization, political means.

Speaker 1 Maybe the U.S. wants to avoid population

Speaker 1 decline so that this is one way they can backdoor it. There's probably many factors, right?

Speaker 1 The political, the destabilization is one, but just politically to get more congressional seats because of the way they use the census, which I think Trump is trying to change. Is he changing that?

Speaker 1 They said they weren't going to count illegals in the census anymore.

Speaker 1 I haven't heard of that. Is that,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 what kind of laws are involved? Could you do that with an executive order? I don't know how you would do that. I don't know.

Speaker 1 But so you have that, and then you have the true need for labor that people don't want which yeah that which is i mean i again i've been all over the country and every time i go into a hotel in the

Speaker 1 oklahoma buenos diaz buenos i i i was i was to the buenos diaz yeah and i oh 80 of the time like buenos diaz like what part of mexico are you from like we had this cool conversation um kitchens like i've um

Speaker 1 throughout new york city uh anthony bourdain told me about that he said all his best cooks were mexican from puebla Wow.

Speaker 1 I was in Vegas and this sushi restaurant, high-level sushi restaurant. Trump calls for a new U.S.
census that excludes undocumented immigrants.

Speaker 1 Census has historically counted all residents, regardless of citizen status, as required by the 14th Amendment. So you can't really do that.

Speaker 5 Congress has the power for the census, not the president. So he's changing something.

Speaker 1 So Congress would have to agree with him on something like that.

Speaker 1 Which I think politically there might be motivation to do that because you could game the system by an administration allowing not just mass immigration, but then the moving of all these immigrants to all these areas where you wanted to take over.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which is crazy. Like using these people as political ploys, and then they get a fresh start in America, so it's kind of like a win-win.

Speaker 1 You know, they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you, you,

Speaker 1 when, um,

Speaker 1 Whenever I travel, I always look at people in the service industry. I try to see where they're from.
And it's always Mexican.

Speaker 1 A lot of them are Mexican.

Speaker 1 In different parts of the country, it's different, but mostly Mexicans.

Speaker 1 Minnesota, there's a lot of not Mexicans there.

Speaker 1 Ethiopian? Yeah, a lot of Somalians. Somalians.

Speaker 1 I think there was one that was running for mayor there

Speaker 1 recently.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Young fella. Yeah.

Speaker 1 pretty radical he looked he looked exactly like somebody that appeared in a movie yeah where he was a captain for a moment yeah that's all i'm gonna say it was pretty funny but independently of that the

Speaker 1 the amount of like cultures i'm experiencing across the country it's like wow this is just like the UN of countries you know like everywhere I go I meet people from all over the world well that's the part of the beauty of America really the beauty of America is that it's a melting pot that's supposed to be what's cool about it but when it's sort of

Speaker 1 weaponized in this way, when people are using it for their political gain and bringing people in for political gain, and then making a person like you go through crazy hoops and ladders and all this shit to try to get in here legally, you're like, oh, you're discouraging legal immigration in favor of illegal immigration, which is really easy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I understand

Speaker 1 the part of the American populace that is like, we want to keep America America.

Speaker 1 Guess what? I want to keep America America. That's why I came up here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Going to Kentucky and experiencing that in America. Yeah.
Cool. Listen, there's no more American people than Cuban Americans.
Those motherfuckers are hardcore Americans. Hardcore America.

Speaker 1 You know why? Because they know what the fuck communism looks like. This isn't just like some theoretical shit they teach you in college.

Speaker 1 Like their grandparents and their great grandma grew up oppressed. Like they had to deal with that stuff.
They escaped and they came over to America and they have no tolerance for any bullshit.

Speaker 1 Well, in Mexico right now, there are things you can't say.

Speaker 1 There's laws that prohibit you from being violent verbally against a political figure if she's a female, and you'll have to go on TV and read out

Speaker 1 like a whole thing apologizing for your insults. Public humiliation basically is being legalized in Mexico.
And Mexico is going towards that side of things.

Speaker 1 But I'm up here, and I'm seeing some of the things up here as well.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I have this vision of the U.S. where it's like, cool.

Speaker 1 This is a place where I'm safe to pursue whatever happiness I think exists.

Speaker 1 I didn't find that happiness in my country where I'm from,

Speaker 1 where I came from, because

Speaker 1 this or this or this or that. Why do I want to bring some of that here, I guess, would be one of the ways I think about it.

Speaker 1 I don't want, hey,

Speaker 1 this Texas is kind of boring. Let's bring in fucking militarized cartel members to roll around the city and pick up kids and shit like that and train them into camps.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the big fear about Texas having Californians come here. Don't California or Texas.
Yeah. You know, because they're like, man, California is just bullshit.
We got to get out of here.

Speaker 1 This place, the laws are dumb.

Speaker 1 What made this place this place? Those fucking laws, dumbass. Yeah, like constitutional carry.
Cool, cool. That's a cool thing.
Keeps everybody super polite. Yeah, everybody's super polite.

Speaker 1 And also, like, hey, call the cops after, you know, whatever mentality that is. In Mexico,

Speaker 1 airsoft guns are, like, on weird lists. Like, you can't buy

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 1 a site for a gun. If you want to buy a gun, you have to fly to Mexico City, which basically makes it prohibited to anybody that doesn't have any real means or money to get guns or training.

Speaker 1 So it's basically

Speaker 1 you don't get the privilege to defend yourself in a country where you can't trust the cops, 90% of all murders are never solved.

Speaker 1 And look at all these fucking roving gangs rolling around with fucking capabilities of taking down helicopters. They're cool, but you can't have a.22 caliber pistol.

Speaker 1 That's the mindset. When I came up here, I'm like, oh, cool.

Speaker 1 This is a place where some of that is not the case.

Speaker 1 But then a bunch of gun laws passed in in California while I was going through my process, and people started showing up to the gun range that I would go to train with, like, weird California-compliant guns that you have to, like,

Speaker 1 weld the magazine to a certain place and stuff like that. And I was like, oh, man, it's changing up here, too.
Just California.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just California.
Just California. California is rough.

Speaker 1 Some of the things that they did, like they made pistol companies make magazines with lower capacity. As if you can't kill people with a 10-round magazine.
Like, what, what?

Speaker 1 How many lives does that save? Zero? Some of those laws are retarded.

Speaker 1 But that's it. It's just the illusion that they're doing something to combat drug violence or gang violence or gun violence.
It's all illusions. Yeah.
It's all like optics. But it is, it is, I mean,

Speaker 1 when I get asked about my American experience, you know,

Speaker 1 I've been profiled.

Speaker 1 I've been

Speaker 1 racist shit has been said to me.

Speaker 1 Where are you living these days? Texas, Houston. Beautiful Houston.
It's the right amount of ghetto. I love Houston.
I love it.

Speaker 1 It's a little bit of Mexican there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Houston is a big-ass melting pot. It's one of the best cities.
Yeah. It really is.

Speaker 1 When I got there, and again, I lived in Kentucky for a bit, in California, and then there.

Speaker 1 I've experienced great

Speaker 1 profiling and racism in California, which is pretty funny to say, but that's where I experienced the most of it.

Speaker 1 I've experienced people opening their houses to me and like

Speaker 1 just being the best people on the planet. I experienced that in Texas and

Speaker 1 Kentucky with some people who are just like cool as fuck.

Speaker 1 I've experienced the best and the worst that the country has to offer, I think. And I can see in it, like, I get it.
I get what America is.

Speaker 1 Like, I, dude, I finished high school and then I went to work for a paramilitary institution somewhere in Mexico. And then I came up here and I have seven employees now in a company.

Speaker 1 I've spoken to members of Congress.

Speaker 1 I've trained federal forces and people that I've read about in books on how to do things that I learned in this horrible country warfare that I had to go through.

Speaker 1 There's no other place on the planet that would have provided me these opportunities for myself and for my support for my daughter. There's no other place in the world.

Speaker 1 So, like, I definitely have fucking skin in the game when it comes to this country.

Speaker 1 It is disheartening that

Speaker 1 with the way things are now,

Speaker 1 like we're it. Like brown Mexican immigrants of any kind, legal or illegal, are it.
Right. We are

Speaker 1 it right now. In the sights of ICE.

Speaker 1 In the sights of any sort of authority figure that might want to

Speaker 1 see, like, wait, wait, what are you doing? Who are you? So that's, it's, it's a, it's an anxiety. And again, it's, I've, I've been talking to people from my community across the country.
It's

Speaker 1 it's it's a generalized anxiety of not feeling at home at home.

Speaker 1 Which is dark. Dark.
It's dark. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's dark. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the problem with these fucking raids. It also makes the rest of us feel awful.
Like, people that aren't scared of it, you feel awful about what America stands for.

Speaker 1 Like, the idea that we would find it right to send some kid who was born here or born in Mexico, but came over here when he was two, can't speak Spanish at at all.

Speaker 1 Some kid in LA that just doesn't have paperwork, and all of a sudden he's in Mexico. Yeah, like that is fucking dark.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 And that makes everybody else feel like, oh, this isn't a good country then. That's not a good thing to do.
That's a bad thing. That's an immoral thing to do.

Speaker 1 That's a thing that you do when you don't care. And this is supposed to be the shining light of the world.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 mind you, I talk to everybody. Like,

Speaker 1 I'm an open conversation, open book with anybody. I don't see anybody as an enemy.
I don't see anybody anybody as an opponent.

Speaker 1 Dude, I've been through shit. I've been through hell and back.

Speaker 1 So I've encountered situations where I've had to talk to immigration officials and, you know, and I'd say like, hey, dude, what's it like? Like, what's like being the villain right now?

Speaker 1 Like, the amount of a lot of these guys are getting doxxed.

Speaker 1 They're utilizing AI technology to take a picture of them and removing the mask. And it gives you a guesstimation of what their faces are like.

Speaker 1 There's people documenting their tattoos and then doxing them online. And I'm like, they are like, why do you ask that, Ed? Because we were vilified, too.
And

Speaker 1 that's how they got to us. They started making us into the enemy.

Speaker 1 There is a lot of interest out there I can see at high levels to separate us and keep us fighting. Like at a cultural level, I think.

Speaker 1 More destabilization. So you think this is part of the plan? I don't know if there's a plan or not.

Speaker 1 It kind of makes sense. Like the part of the whole agenda is to create even more conflict.

Speaker 1 Hopefully somebody has a plan.

Speaker 1 Hopefully somebody knows what they're doing somewhere. But maybe

Speaker 1 if they don't,

Speaker 1 that's a dark thing to think about. That's what makes me wonder.
I wonder.

Speaker 1 I wonder if it really is a big plan or if it really is just fucking human chaos. If I find myself in a room with Illuminati people and there's like a, then I'm like, oh, these guys are smart.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, whatever, whatever this is, if we're going to be cattle, at least somebody that knows their shit is going to be in charge. But I don't, I don't know.
Like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I see this, I see,

Speaker 1 I see the U.S. in,

Speaker 1 like, people internationally see the U.S. declining, you know.

Speaker 1 I got to experience the U.S. in the 80s.

Speaker 1 crossing the border and going to San Diego and going to SeaWorld with my parents and shopping and seeing the portions of everything bigger in the supermarkets.

Speaker 1 And then, as an immigrant in the U.S., now I got to see everything smaller. And

Speaker 1 infrastructure is very dilapidated in certain parts of the country. And it's not the U.S.
of the 80s. It's not the U.S.
of the 90s. It's different.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I can see why people are screaming at the fact that, yeah, there's something has to be done. We're losing it as a country.
But I think you're hitting a nail on the head.

Speaker 1 We went through a Biden administration that was all about

Speaker 1 who was in charge is the question I have. Like, I don't, was that dude in charge? No.

Speaker 1 Somebody was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not only that, I think there was more than one of that dude.

Speaker 1 You know, there's like fake Bidens. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And his son going online and doing an interview and just giving us like an intimate view of his family conversations. His son sounds fun.
He's a part. Dude, I party with that guy probably.
Well, not

Speaker 1 anymore. Back then, maybe.

Speaker 1 I don't think he even parties anymore. But it's wild to think those and

Speaker 1 then people question why things are the way they are and why people are struggling in different parts of this different parts of society in this country.

Speaker 1 I came here to work and to make a better life for myself and for my kid. And I somehow managed to be in a place where I have like a employees and I have a company and I'm working.
I'm doing work.

Speaker 1 It's the American dream. It is the American dream and it still exists.
And I'm proof of it still being real. But it is under attack from all sides.

Speaker 1 From all sides. Yeah.
From all sides.

Speaker 1 I'll say that three times.

Speaker 1 People need to realize that it's not just

Speaker 1 there's definitely

Speaker 1 an interest to keep us all fighting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And social media is a big part of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, that's literally how most people are getting their information and getting their narratives.

Speaker 1 And the same fight that that is played on social media, statewide, stateside, is kind of like the same fight that is being sold to us as far as Mexico versus the United States. We're not enemies.

Speaker 1 We're not we shouldn't be enemies. We should be the best of friends.

Speaker 1 There are thousands of Americans living in in Mexico now. There's protests going on for gentrification in Mexico City from people being, locals being pushed off.

Speaker 1 Go home, ringo is written on the walls. Meanwhile, there's ICE raids in LA

Speaker 1 and people being rolled up and being deported.

Speaker 1 And that's happening all the while where people are trying, like Mexicans are sick of all these Americans living in all these cool parts of Mexico and gentrifying them, which is wild.

Speaker 1 I mean, are we into mass American deportations next from Mexico? Is that going to happen? In the past, you can just cross the border as an American and they wouldn't ask you for shit.

Speaker 1 Now they ask you for ID. Oh, really? Yes.
And a lot of Americans that live in places like Tijuana and then work in San Diego have encountered this,

Speaker 1 oh, things are changing. Like, where's your ID? They look Mexican.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, where's your federal voter ID? It's like,

Speaker 1 you're an American, right? And you just work in San Diego. Yeah, they go back.
And they really had to send them back.

Speaker 1 Do you have to pay for like a

Speaker 1 visa extension thing so you can cross the border regularly or you can be in Mexico for long periods?

Speaker 5 But things are changing.

Speaker 1 Again, these lines are being drawn on the ground. I don't think they're good for anybody.
Free commerce at that border, San Diego and Tijuana are one in the same. From blood, family, commerce,

Speaker 1 they're one in the same.

Speaker 1 Why draw a line there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, when I used to work in San Diego, and I used to stand up down down there, and, you know, if I hung out after the shows, I'd meet a bunch of people that came to the show from Mexico. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'd say, wow, you just came over here for the show? Yeah,

Speaker 1 drive across. Yeah.
Drive across. And

Speaker 1 there's, again,

Speaker 1 Mexico is poised to be a powerhouse economically if we don't fuck it up with socialism.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 And why is that being pushed, too? More destabilization. But it is poised to be a powerhouse.

Speaker 1 We have the youth, we have everything we need to just fucking explode. Resources, everything.

Speaker 1 But that's the same reason why we're being targeted so much for destabilization there. Wow.

Speaker 1 There's no path forward, I think,

Speaker 1 to have a... isolated United States with giant walls and guards on the walls and nobody crossing that wall

Speaker 1 and Mexico next to it.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's I don't I wouldn't want to go there. No, there's always been this free flow back and forth.

Speaker 1 They just got to make it so that cartel members can't just come across or terrorists from other countries don't have an easy pathway.

Speaker 1 The flow of armaments going down to Mexico

Speaker 1 is one issue. The flow of drugs coming up from Mexico is another issue.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 organized crime elements in Mexico doing horrific things to the local populace and to each other when they fight each other is an issue.

Speaker 1 But also the United States' historical foreign policy to Mexico and its responsibility for a lot of these things happening in Mexico is also key.

Speaker 1 What should the United States do about its responsibility in the past? and some of its foreign policies in Mexico that have led Mexico to be where it is right now as far as violence? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't think

Speaker 1 a full-on military attack like Afghanistan or Iraq would be the answer because we see where that goes.

Speaker 1 It's not as easy as sending just drones down there and exploding a few dudes because we've also seen what that happens when you cut the head of one snake.

Speaker 1 You just abducted the head of the Sina Loa cartel and brought him to Texas.

Speaker 1 And all that did, it didn't quell cartel violence in Mexico. It didn't end the Sina Law cartel.
It just made a giant war

Speaker 1 in the state of Sinaloa, and it divided up one cartel into two and probably made one of the biggest threats to the United States' national security, as far as cartels go, bigger and more influential.

Speaker 1 That's what that did. Wow.

Speaker 1 And again, the path forward,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Both countries are linked through blood, genetics, culture.

Speaker 1 There's a dude online saying that Mexican food is better in the U.S. than Mexico.
He's a nuts. Nonsense.
He's just an idiot. That's hot nonsense.
Stupid dude.

Speaker 1 You'll know who I'm talking about. But

Speaker 1 both countries are, like, again, I've been across this country. I traveled across it, and it is a great country.
I love it. I love it.
I love it. I love Mexico as well.

Speaker 1 It's my home country, and I travel when I can there as well.

Speaker 1 I don't see a future without both of our countries just like figuring things out together. There's no,

Speaker 1 I don't see a future like that.

Speaker 1 Well said.

Speaker 1 Well said. We are going to need each other more than we think

Speaker 1 in the coming years.

Speaker 1 And open warfare between both countries is not fucking insane. It's not going to be, it's not going to lead to anything.

Speaker 1 The United States doesn't have the manpower to stop the wave of migration that will come out of that country if you start fucking lobbying

Speaker 1 targeted strikes in certain parts of that country.

Speaker 1 There's no way.

Speaker 1 So if you want to talk about anti-like migration migration is your issue, you're going the wrong way.

Speaker 1 And also,

Speaker 1 at what point do some of these criminal organizations, as I said, become freedom fighters? Right.

Speaker 1 And once they become freedom fighters,

Speaker 1 at what point do they start targeting Americans living out there? Right.

Speaker 1 And it's just

Speaker 1 not good.

Speaker 1 I wonder if they've thought it out. Like the U.S.
government's thought it out the way you're laying it out.

Speaker 1 I've spoken to members of Congress and I've spoken to members.

Speaker 1 I've been in Washington a few times and I've spoken to people that are in charge of things.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they have notions, some of them, you know, but some of them are clearly, you know,

Speaker 1 they took that. They don't get that world.
And if they're not like fully invested in finding out and really diving deep and getting an understanding of it,

Speaker 1 how could they know what you know?

Speaker 1 Well, they're doing the right thing.

Speaker 1 I've been in rooms with people who were part of this conflict and

Speaker 1 they're asking the right people.

Speaker 1 But some of them are verifying, like, oh, we were just in Mexico and we spoke to the local officials there and they told us that they're doing this now. And look at all those drugs that they just got.

Speaker 1 They're doing their job now.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, dude, I used to work for them. And I could tell you that those boxes beneath those pills are probably empty, and they're just there to like produce a visual weight

Speaker 1 of it. And also, like, that unit that did that

Speaker 1 seizure, yeah, they're on a payroll for this organization.

Speaker 1 And also, the governor of this place where this seizure happened, yeah, you just took her visa away because the husband is involved in fuel smuggling.

Speaker 1 So, like, is this a win?

Speaker 1 Wow,

Speaker 1 But, yes. You're freaking me out.
I'm sorry. But, yeah, there are people that are trying to figure it out in the government.

Speaker 1 There are people that are asking the right questions. I just, I don't know what they're doing.
I don't know what's going to happen with

Speaker 1 the information. But

Speaker 1 a few things are clear.

Speaker 1 Everything is on the table as far as military options in Mexico and beyond in South America right now.

Speaker 1 There is an interest by the United States in some of that going on. That's clear.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 what that's going to look like, is it already happening with the abduction and subsequent arrest of Elmaya Sambana on a plane in some pretty kind of weird circumstances?

Speaker 1 Do the United States is the United States already doing political oper uh political counteroperations against the regime that is ruling over Mexico in some way, shape, or form? I don't know.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of political exposés going on all over Mexico right now with a bunch of documents and members of their very austere political party having lavish lifestyles outside of the country and they get photographed and then that goes on the news.

Speaker 1 And then the president of Mexico says the CIA probably is taking all those pictures as a counter operation to what they're doing.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. So

Speaker 1 I think whatever's happening is

Speaker 1 it's already in motion.

Speaker 1 My point is, the cost of this is if it's if it isn't done in a in a

Speaker 1 if it isn't done if it if it isn't done correctly, if it isn't done in a way where it's not taking into consideration the outcome or the fallout of something like

Speaker 1 abducting another giant head of a cartel down there or taking him out. And I think the biggest target out there is the head of this the new generation cartel.

Speaker 1 I think that's if I c if I could be a psychic right now

Speaker 1 and I say the U.S. is going to plan some sort of direct action operation, I think that's going to be aimed at them.

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 if the Americans have a vision that they're going to go somewhere and everybody's going to be wearing cartel member vest on,

Speaker 1 I don't think they're ready to go to somewhere and they have a bunch of police officers with

Speaker 1 full uniforms or actually police officers there or members of the military that engage in a firefight with them and call backup from the military and then now you're involved in a Nash in a in a fight with the with the army down there um because they're all involved with the cartel some of them are again you hear these stories of these people who's training them who's supplying them who's uh who's showing them how to use those rocket launchers that they're getting from the ukraine

Speaker 1 you hear these stories and you're like just like that dude standing up there the cia that's involved in drug dealers like i ed you're fucking you're just talking out of your ass.

Speaker 1 It's conspiracy theory shit. Five years ago, I said terrorist designation and direct action in Mexico

Speaker 1 against a high-level cartel head, and here we are. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I may be on that side of conspiracies, but I've been pretty spot on. You've been pretty spot on.
Ed, I appreciate you very much. I'm glad we did this.

Speaker 1 I've been following your work over the last five years, and you're always on it. So it's great to hear you lay all this stuff out.
Tell everybody how they could find you online.

Speaker 1 Last time I was here, they deleted my Instagram account of over 500,000 followers. After the podcast?

Speaker 1 I posted something about Chinese people being welded into their homes during COVID. And Instagram didn't like that.
And

Speaker 1 they took down my

Speaker 1 account. Wow.
So what is it now? It is Manifesto Radio Podcast.

Speaker 1 It's at Manifesto Radio Podcast on Instagram and on YouTube. If you want to check me out, I have a small podcast.
I talk to just people related to this environment

Speaker 1 and I post pictures daily and a bunch of weird memes and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 It's basically an open blog of my travels. I'm constantly traveling, talking to people that are involved in this and

Speaker 1 just putting the word out there.

Speaker 1 I'm not in politics. I am not a reporter.
I'm not a cartel reporter. I am a dude that went through some shit.
I'm still going through some shit.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to figure things out as a new American, and I want the best for both countries. That's who I am.

Speaker 1 Beautiful. Thank you, Ed.
Appreciate you, brother. Thank you, David.
All right. Bye, everybody.