Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

Speaker 1 That I told you, but the

Speaker 1 hey, we're up, we're up, we're up, we're up. Uh, it's not a good sign that the fights are still going on for the prelims.

Speaker 1 That must mean there's a lot of decisions, a lot of prelims, a lot of prelims, but also a lot of decisions.

Speaker 1 Like, usually, they time it out better because it's like 3.04 now, and this is 1.37 to go in the third round of Jai Herbert. Not ideal, no, but you know,

Speaker 1 shit happened.

Speaker 1 At least they're not doing it at five o'clock in the morning. True, that was that was fucking ridiculous.
If I was Leon, I'd be pissed.

Speaker 2 What time was it in the UK when they started?

Speaker 1 It's normal time. It's

Speaker 1 seven hours ahead, yeah. Yeah, so it's nighttime there.
Yeah, so it's like 10 p.m. right now.
It's normal. Are they six hours ahead or seven hours ahead? I thought it was seven.
Something like that.

Speaker 1 But either way, it's nighttime there.

Speaker 2 So have you seen any of these guys?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jai Herbert's the guy that headkicked Ilya DiPoria.

Speaker 1 Dropped him out? He dropped

Speaker 1 the vicious headkick, and then Ilya fucking starched him in the next round. He has great striking.
Yeah, very, very good kicks. Big prospect.
Real tall, long, lanky dude.

Speaker 1 But, you know, Ilya, that guy, he connects on anybody. They're going night, night.
Oh, Joe, if you knew, I know you can't probably talk about it.

Speaker 1 But you see Ilya's tweet where he's like, I'm going to have big news. You guys aren't expecting it.
Yeah, I don't know the news. You have no clue.
No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 If I had a guess, he's probably fighting a top contender at 55. I don't think.
But that wouldn't be unexpected. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you won't see this coming.

Speaker 1 So it's not Makashev, because we all assume that. Mokache's not fighting Makaschev going to at 70.

Speaker 1 Illy's walking around at 186. Yeah, he's big, Connor.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Connor would have to be in the testing pool for a long time.

Speaker 2 Isn't he doing bare knuckle?

Speaker 1 Connor? Well, he's running bare knuckle. He's like one of the

Speaker 1 fight.

Speaker 1 He may. He might.

Speaker 1 Get him off of the fucking marching powder.

Speaker 1 He's also running.

Speaker 1 I might fucking fight bare knuckle. He might.
He might. I mean, I could see him.

Speaker 2 That would blow Bare Knuckle right there.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, they'd have to pay him. They'd have to pay him.

Speaker 1 Him versus Jeremy Stevens. Oh, my goodness.
Jeremy would have to win a couple more times, but Jeremy's back in the UFC. No, no, Jeremy's undefeated.
Belmatador has been my...

Speaker 1 Oh, he's changes his nickname.

Speaker 1 He's got a new identity. When we announce it, you won't believe it.
Get ready. See, when you say you won't believe it, you got to come with some shit now.
Yeah, you got it, but that was a while ago.

Speaker 1 That's March 6th. You know, what is today? His 22nd.
But that's the UFC being like, don't announce it yet. Yeah, I don't know.
You know, I don't know. Like, if I.

Speaker 1 A perfect matchup is Gacey. I think Charles Olivera.
Oh, that's a

Speaker 1 great fucker. That's a great matchup.
That's a great matchup. And now, remember, he tweeted that before Gage's fight.
Right. So I don't think it's Gage.

Speaker 1 Oh, right. Oh, they're going to stay.
Oh, no. That's a nasty cut.
Horrible place, too. Oh, boy.
But this is the last round.

Speaker 1 I think the fight's over. It might be over, yeah.
Yeah. Oh, it's over.

Speaker 1 Dustin Poirier.

Speaker 1 No, Dustin's fighting Max. He is? I think so for the BMF shit.
Really? I think. Double check that.
That's a great fight, too. I'm crazy.
The third go-around.

Speaker 1 At 55, and it's Max proper.

Speaker 1 I think Max should fight more at 55. I didn't like him going back to 55.
I think it's too much of a struggle. He got pretty big when he got up to fight Gaetchy.
He put the weight on Max.

Speaker 1 Really fantastic. Really fantastic.

Speaker 1 We all remember the knocking of Gaetchy in the last seconds there, but he was molly-whopping him before that. Yeah, he was beating his ass.

Speaker 1 And it all started off with that jump-spinning back kick to the face in the first round. Fucked up Gage's already fixed nose.

Speaker 1 So that Max Holloway, the true Max Holloway at 55, first fucking Dustin for Dustin's last fight in New Orleans? Sure. Take my money.

Speaker 1 The thing is, you got to wonder, like, how much did that Elio Taporia knockout take out of Max? True. Because that was a beating.
True. Ilya's just so fucking dangerous.
He's so technical.

Speaker 1 Like, his striking, the way he's like bobbing in and moving, he's so comfortable with his head movement. You see, he's like a step ahead of everybody.
He's good at everything.

Speaker 1 And then people are like, oh, he's too small for 55. I'm like, he's actually, that narrative don't work.
He's a big fucking boy. Well, I think the 45-pound cut is...

Speaker 1 Look, man, they should all stop cutting weight. That's the reality.
Cutting weight is bullshit. It's terrible for you.
They need more weight classes, and they need to stop cutting weight.

Speaker 1 They need to figure out a way to check hydration levels and put people in a weight class and say, do they still do that in one?

Speaker 2 They do.

Speaker 1 Electedly, who knows? One's backed off MMA. Like, they have a big Muay Thai fight tonight.
They backed off MMA, really? Yeah, they're really focused on kickboxing and Muay Thai.

Speaker 1 I think in Asia, that gets a lot of numbers. Big time.
And they put on fucking shows, man. Yeah,

Speaker 1 there's a huge one tonight. Huge one.
Kickboxing and Muay Thai fights. I think the UFC fucked up when they went with slap fighting.
I've been telling them forever, you guys should get into kickboxing.

Speaker 1 If you only like stand-up fights, it's not like the old days of kickboxing where they're boring, like PKA, karate. There's characters, man.

Speaker 2 And the knockouts are fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 Also, all your champs are coming from kickboxing. Yeah.
Alex, Izzy. You're some monsters.
Kickboxing with MMA gloves in a cage would be giant in the UFC. Just have a striking-only segment of the UFC.

Speaker 1 And Glory's coming back. Glory's doing a heavyweight competition soon.
Glory's got some elite fighters, man. I watch Glory all the time.
It's fucking exciting, but nobody's watching it.

Speaker 1 Nobody knows who these people are. You just got to educate the crowd.
Put the same amount of resources you did in the slap fight into kickboxing and cooking. Right.
And then.

Speaker 1 Because they're doing it with jiu-jitsu right right they're doing what you put how many millions dollars in jiu-jitsu and they even have more of a a budget for it and big a lot of it's eddie you know they put a lot of it into jiu-jitsu yeah mikey music a lot of it is not mine yeah it is with ufc fight no with ufc fight no i'm saying as far as making it popular like efi all that shit like that's you were the one you know i know we're boys but you were really the one to navigate all that with fight pass that was huge yeah that was a big deal having the ufc get involved heavily in jiu-jitsu is huge Are you still doing stuff with them?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, I have a great relationship with them.

Speaker 3 I think they're trying to put together some kind of like tough show now, like an ultimate fighter show for grappling, which would be which would be cool because then you can like build a star from scratch

Speaker 1 and get to know the guys. Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 3 You can get people emotionally involved.

Speaker 1 Because they exclusively signed Mikey Mushameshi, right? Yeah. Boy, it's hard to get people to watch those reality shows these days.
I think people kind of burned out on reality shows.

Speaker 1 You know, DC and Chaler shooting one right now. They're shooting the Ultimate fighter they got to give up on that bro and that listen season 90.
uh i don't know where you watch

Speaker 1 uh it's on espn plus i think is it i haven't watched it in forever no one i watch the finals i watch the finals to see how good the guys are winning you know and see where they're at you know i watched dana white's contender series probably more that's the best thing in combat sports as far as like talent like the the it's the best because they're super hyped they have insane motivation they have this unbelievable opportunity if they do that they skyrocketed into the user and it's not like ultimate fighter like where you can win based off grappling and you know and just hold guys down they become champion UFC contract could they know what contender series there's dudes who win and he's like nah not excited enough yeah so dudes go for it bro yeah Sugar Sean came from there I mean there's so many champs a lot of people came from

Speaker 2 is it illegal to have a finish bonus in the UFC like you get paid whatever

Speaker 2 80,000 to show 80,000 to win and then another 80,000 if you finish the fight.

Speaker 1 I mean, is that illegal? No, no, no, no, definitely not illegal. No, they do it now with performance bonuses.
They just perform a bit, I think. Yeah, it went up a little bit.
Or

Speaker 2 go gangster and go, you know, you have show money, and then you get extra money, like you know, double, but you have to knock them out or submit them.

Speaker 1 See, otherwise, you just get the show money. UFL does that.
I know everyone says UFL does that. Oh, really? Yeah.
Okay. I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 What's UFL now? What do you mean? PFL? No, UFL. What's UFL?

Speaker 1 UFL is where like Tony Friggins and and Dylan Dance is fighting I thought that was GFL

Speaker 1 yeah GFL

Speaker 1 yeah yeah GFL sorry yeah there's PFL there's GFL UFL something else but bro we're talking about that the one fight that I'm interested yo Romero and Musasi that's a great fight that's a great fight that's fighting one fight that GFL is putting together I'm like ooh I'll watch that are they both over 40 they're 100 years old yeah you're both a hundred yoel's 79 years old dude I don't care.

Speaker 1 He looks fucking amazing. Well, he's fighting in bare knuckle.
Yeah. Too.

Speaker 1 Like he, I saw some promo some giant dudies fighting did you see him box that slap fight guy bro that slap fight guy when he jumped up in the air was like oh i

Speaker 1 just fight yoel just

Speaker 1 jumped up in the air for no reason like right before right before he decided to beat his ass he just jumped straight up in the air it's just some sloppy white guy you seem to stop for it

Speaker 1 if the ufc

Speaker 2 If the UFC does kickboxing, they might as well just come out with a bang and go bare knuckle kickboxing.

Speaker 1 It's not a bad idea. Take my money.

Speaker 2 And that'll, you know, that'll get people to check it out.

Speaker 1 Crazy bare knuckles.

Speaker 3 Could you do it separate from UFC events or would you do it like, would like would you do it like one, where you have like MMA fights and kickboxing

Speaker 1 events all the same colour. You could do whatever you wanted, but you could definitely could have a stand-up only show and it would be huge.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where they break them up if they clinch against the cage. You know, you don't allow them to clinch.
Do it just like kickboxing does. Separate them.
You know, like there's no ground fight at all.

Speaker 2 It's all going backwards to tell you the truth.

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Speaker 1 This offer is for new customers only. Really? You think this should be? We had kickboxing.

Speaker 2 No one watched it. We already had it.
But when the UFC came out,

Speaker 2 all of a sudden people are into martial arts again and if we go that's going back i think i don't necessarily i see what you're saying but look the ufc does grappling events right the grappling events are pure grappling why not do pure striking events too and then mma is always the best well it was when the ufc blew up it was ufc too correct yeah nobody watched ufc one they didn't know if it was real that there was no b-roll right everyone watched ufc too

Speaker 2 and did they get blown away and get hooked by it uh because of the striking or because of the jiu-jitsu well it was because it was hoist. It was the jiu-jitsu.

Speaker 2 Because people didn't realize that you could fight on the ground. I thought fighting on the ground was for pussy.

Speaker 1 But then it went mainstream for tough one with stand-up with Stefan and Forrest. But listen, let's imagine that Ankalaev and Pereira fight an only kickboxing fight.

Speaker 1 Are you telling me that's going to be boring? That would be

Speaker 1 fucking insane. Yeah, they're boxing with little gloves.
Oh. With MMA gloves.

Speaker 2 If they're going to do it, I'd go bare knuckle if it was up to me.

Speaker 1 The thing about bare-knuckle, though, is your face gets obliterated.

Speaker 1 The slices, it cuts, people watch that.

Speaker 2 People want to see the black

Speaker 1 hands break.

Speaker 2 People want to see it.

Speaker 1 I commentate for Game Bread, where it's a bare knuckle MMA and seeing JDS and Alan Belcher and Roy. They don't punch the same.

Speaker 1 They're a little cautious because they don't want to break it. It's more realistic.
So it's not

Speaker 1 realistic. Yeah, which is...
It is. It's just a different product.
What happened? It starts in an hour. But wait a minute.
It's not Hylton. No, I know.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is the bare knuckle That's the dirty box box. Oh, my goodness.
That's our boy, Mike Pischev.

Speaker 1 Is this bare knuckle dirty? Dirty box battle? It's bare knuckle.

Speaker 1 And this Hilton is tall with a giant jaw.

Speaker 1 This starts in an hour? Yeah, Arlofsky fights. Fucking throw that bitch on.
Pick him up. Let's go.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Isn't that crazy? Arlofsky. Was that dumb and dumb? Who takes a look and it keeps on ticking better than Andre Orlofsky.
Tell me about it. That dude's still around.

Speaker 1 He was the UFC champion in 2005, son. Wild, dude.
2005, that's 20 fucking years ago of hardcore combat sports in MMA. That is nuts.

Speaker 1 Dude, remember how hard it was for the UFC even to cut him because they kept giving these young lines. He kept beating them.
Yeah. He traveled.
He's like, dude, just get out of here.

Speaker 1 He's like, nah, man. He's such a veteran.
He's such a veteran. He's so savvy.
He sees everything coming. Oh, yeah, man.
He's been there, done that forever. Jan Bohovich.

Speaker 1 So you were saying that Bohovich got both of his shoulders reconstructed? Both of them have been out two years. One shoulder's bad enough.

Speaker 1 But what's impressive about him is he was fighting with bad shoulders when he beat all these boys. Really? Yeah.
I mean, how bad were they? Shoulder tough. They get worse.
Shoulders are tough. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Worst injury. It's a bad injury because it's such a complicated joint.
Yep.

Speaker 2 I had full-blown surgery. It was.

Speaker 1 How's it now?

Speaker 2 It's good now.

Speaker 1 Stem cells? How's your back, your lower back?

Speaker 2 My lower back's good, man. I got into that Joe hip and steel stretching.
Remember, I told you about that?

Speaker 2 That's huge. I do that every day.

Speaker 1 That changed everything for you?

Speaker 2 It makes it so that I don't need surgery because I'm supposed to go back for more back surgery. Really? I was supposed to do that two years ago.

Speaker 1 For another disc?

Speaker 2 Yeah, another one. But I'm delaying that as long as possible and doing these stretches, man.
It takes about an hour and a half to do these stretches every day, but it makes it manageable where I could

Speaker 2 tie my shoelaces without pain, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Lower backs are a motherfucker.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Whatever you can do to avoid surgery, man. It's a mess up.
Look at Yawn. First shoulder operator on.

Speaker 1 unfortunately there's too much work to do with one so they can fix both at once another surgery soon so what year when is this jamie two years ago two years ago wow i'm about two years that's crazy and you know no peptides no nothing because everybody is in this you know goofy world where you're not allowed to take stuff like bpc 157 so stupid that's illegal yeah especially after surgery last three months two months i started losing my power my strength 40 goes i tried to do something with physiotherapy and doctors to try to to fix it, but every training was worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now, remember, too, he's also 42 years old.
Uh-huh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's old. You know, it's less old for the bigger guys, but it's still old.
42 is for, I mean,

Speaker 3 two shoulders at 42

Speaker 1 are hard things to come back from. Carlos Olberg's a motherfucker.
He's so fast and tall. He's so long.

Speaker 1 It's such good matchmaking because Carlos Olberg, even though they think, you know, prospect, I think he's 34, 35, but he hasn't really beat anybody of note.

Speaker 1 And then there's also

Speaker 1 beat any of the top guys to get to this. So him versus Jean's fun.
And there's also his first fight, like his first fight with Kennedy, Kennedy and Zitchiku, who beat him down.

Speaker 1 Like he was beating Kennedy up, and then he gassed out, and Kennedy fucked him up.

Speaker 1 That's a big fight because he kind of folded down the stretch.

Speaker 1 over you know over amped in the beginning of the fight burned off too much fuel just experience experience it's it's like sean brady in the main event like when they gave him bilal he just wasn't ready right and then loses that and then goes on a tear yeah and like now he's ready now he's ready yeah well sometimes it takes that had mental coaching and shit too which i think is important how are your shoulders good good yeah and yours good shoulders good shoulders i tore my bicep uh like a month ago probably but i'm on

Speaker 1 the shit it looks weird you can see it did you get it fixed or no nah man you don't have to get it fixed is it small tear yeah it's small tear. Oh, okay.
I've just been injecting fucking BPC.

Speaker 1 Name something. Just fuck it.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, fuck it. Bro, BPC 157 with the TB500 is amazing.
The best. Amazing.
I started taking blue scorpion venom shit. What? Yeah, some scorpion.
What are you doing? Venom.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Name something.

Speaker 1 Anything so in Office, man. Like, I'll try that.

Speaker 2 The brand name is Venom or actually.

Speaker 1 It's blue venom. They take venom and then from peptides with it.

Speaker 1 What? From a fucking scorpion. Oh, shit.
What does that do for you?

Speaker 1 Apparently it helps with healing. They say bee stings cures arthritis.
Sure. But people get bee stings.

Speaker 1 They have like serious arthritis. They get stung all over the fucking hands and it helps them.
Blue scorpion venom. What's the name of it, dude? Yeah, they milk scorpions, dog.

Speaker 1 Reminds me of a scorpion.

Speaker 1 Dude, I couldn't lift three weeks ago. I fucking know.
Boon scorpion did it for you? I don't know.

Speaker 1 That's the thing. I take so much shit, I don't know.
Something's working. Something's working, dude.
I got back on the bench last week.

Speaker 1 No, no problems. What is the scorpion stuff supposed to do? It helps with healing.

Speaker 1 There's all sorts of fucking history on it. Really? Yeah, dude.
Blue score. Do you inject it or you take it? No, it's a serum.
Oh, because you put it on the muscle? You put it under your tongue?

Speaker 1 No, you put it under your tongue. Every morning, every night.
Bro. And I'm like, how much does they take? I'll take double.

Speaker 1 Is there a side effect to it? No, I feel

Speaker 1 Feeling healthy. Does it make you feel great? Oh, yeah, I feel great.
Wow, but you're doing a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 That's the thing. I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 And then I stumbled upon, was it methanol blue? Yeah. Do you take methanol blue? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that legit?

Speaker 2 I keep seeing stuff like that.

Speaker 1 That's not how you say it. What is the actual methylene? Methylene? Methylene.
Methylene. Methylene.
Dude, it's on me all the time.

Speaker 1 Do you want something, Courtney? What is it? Yeah, I take it.

Speaker 1 It's like a, what do we say? A nootropic? Black. Black energy? It's basically an MAO inhibitor.
And it also has something that does something for your mitochondria.

Speaker 1 I'm not the guy to describe it, but Gary Brecca told me to take it, and quite a few other people have told me to take it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just stumbled because I take creatine for neurological reasons and for muscle recovery. Yeah.
And then I'm taking so many nootropics, I feel like I leveled out.

Speaker 1 And then someone recommended this, this methanol blue. Methylene.
Methylene blue. Yeah, and that took you to another level.
Bro.

Speaker 1 Let's go three, four times a day. Let's go.
Three or four times a day? Yeah. I think we're supposed to do it one a day.
Bro.

Speaker 1 What are we doing here?

Speaker 1 I got too much shit to get done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this one's great from Diesel Sucks. Healing a test rat.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. When they go, does it work? I think so.
Probably. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some of them's working. One of them's going to work.
The full combo's working. One of them's going to work.

Speaker 1 No, with the UFC being involved in grappling, they're not thinking about drug testing anybody, are they?

Speaker 3 I don't think so.

Speaker 3 As far as i know no um because none of the other organizations test right so it's like unless you're gonna sign which is starting to happen now because there's a little bit more money ibj

Speaker 1 tests yeah but that's it yeah okay that's it um

Speaker 3 you know they're starting to sign people exclusive now because there's a little bit more money yeah but unless you're gonna test the cross unless every organization is gonna test And it doesn't make sense because then you have guys who are guys who are tested in the UFC who are fighting on Flow or at one or other events who are fighting guys who are juiced anyway.

Speaker 3 So the whole reason to have testing is to have guys who are not on steroids compete against one another.

Speaker 1 Right, but if they came up with an organization that came up with the most money and said, but here's the rules, we're going to go USATA.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 that would work. But the problem is that you need a business model where you can make that amount of money back.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 Just to pay for testing. Like most of the guys that are competing on like the undercard or like not even the main event guys, you'd actually be losing money testing them regularly.

Speaker 1 Also dulls down the sport. But also, when the UFC signs

Speaker 1 like say Mikey Mushameshi, is it exclusive? Can he not compete anywhere else?

Speaker 3 So usually when they do exclusive, I don't know what his contract is, obviously, but

Speaker 3 usually it's exclusive, but they have cutouts for things like ADCC or like big world championships. Otherwise it's hard to sign the guys completely.

Speaker 1 That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 3 You'd have to pay him a salary. Like for example, if UFC signed Mikey exclusive, then he wanted to do ADCC, but it's on flow.

Speaker 3 Like a lot of times the guys have cutouts for that, like big world championship tournaments.

Speaker 1 That's cool. Because it helps everybody.
It's cool. Just builds a brand.
You don't be stuck there if you're in enough competition.

Speaker 3 But like a guy exclusive to Flow or to UFC wouldn't be able to compete for like Flow Grappling or one normally.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
So is one still doing a lot of grappling? I know they got the Rutolos.

Speaker 1 Mikey's gone.

Speaker 2 I think Cade's doing MMA now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's 2-0.

Speaker 1 He looks like a demon out there. Oh, Cade looks like a sad.
His grappling is so much better than everybody else. He's fucking people up structuring.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
Right. Yeah.
It's like having a guy like that, that's that elite with grappling and also young enough to learn striking and get and just wild. Dude, they gave him wild, aggressive dudes.

Speaker 1 Great work ethic. They gave him like a tough matchup to a second fight and one championship, like a tough fucking wrestler.
He fucking annihilated this dude.

Speaker 2 Is Gary Tonin still in one?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
He was his contract ended. He was doing some negotiations.
But as far as I know, I think he's going back to one, but I'm not 100% sure.

Speaker 2 Be great to see him.

Speaker 1 Jamie, can you bring up the one championship? I want to see the one championship has a big

Speaker 1 Muay Thai fight, like huge Muay Thai fight, like one of the biggest ever. I'll send my boy to it.
There we go. For everybody watching at home,

Speaker 1 the first fight is right about the start.

Speaker 1 And we are

Speaker 1 Mark Goddard is waiting to kick it off. He's moving to the center of the octagon now.

Speaker 1 And it goes. And the time is 4:57, 456, 455, 454, 453.

Speaker 3 We're off.

Speaker 1 How do you say that dude's name?

Speaker 1 Sharari?

Speaker 1 Shariri. Sharari? Shariri.

Speaker 1 This is in London? Yes, sir. Let's go.

Speaker 2 Tell me a little bit about these guys. I don't know much.

Speaker 1 I didn't study this.

Speaker 3 He's 12 and 3.

Speaker 2 Brendan?

Speaker 2 I wish.

Speaker 1 You don't know? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 Now I got some things. Who has he fought?

Speaker 3 Eight first-round finishes.

Speaker 1 Pete.

Speaker 2 That's really good.

Speaker 2 Man, Brendan got stomped.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it gets crispy after this. But what I was going to say is I wish we were seeing John Jones Aspinall in London.
Yeah, that's what they should be seeing.

Speaker 1 But I think John's going to hold out as long as he can to make the most money.

Speaker 1 Which you can't be mad at, but also, you know, Tom Aspinall, I think soon he'll be the interim champ for the longest ever over 500 days. That's not good.
No, that's kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 500 days is 500 days is wild. It's kind of crazy.
And then John said he wants six months months to train. Which is that's just negotiation tactics.
Like, dude, he's been on your radar for three years.

Speaker 1 And you took two years to get ready for heavyweight. What are we doing? Yeah, but I mean, John

Speaker 1 is so meticulous in his preparation. Like, you've worked with John.
You trained with him when he was getting ready for Stipe.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we did the first camp. I was with him for like a couple weeks.
And then

Speaker 3 Steepee got hurt. And then the second camp.

Speaker 1 Oh. Oh, here we go.
Someone got hurt.

Speaker 3 He dropped them. I didn't see with what, but he definitely dropped them.

Speaker 1 So...

Speaker 3 But, yeah, the second camp, I was with him for like a full, like, six or seven weeks. So, that was.

Speaker 1 And do you think Tom Aspinall is like,

Speaker 1 John's going to get him down. If you got him down, John, as far as being an Aspinall's guard, you think it'd be an issue for John at all?

Speaker 3 No, I think that I think Tom would probably be trying to stand up.

Speaker 3 I don't and Tom also has pretty good like fast takedowns, so they could both take one another down. Yeah.

Speaker 3 but uh i don't think that tom is going to be able to like really do anything besides try to get up on john yeah trying to get that mounted

Speaker 1 he's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was a kid you know it's rare you have a big guy with good hips dog fight boom he's so fast too

Speaker 1 aspinall like as a heavyweight there's no one like him no the only knock on we really haven't seen would just be his defense you know his head exposed

Speaker 3 the one mma fight i did see him lose he got heel hooked and it was a pretty shitty heel hook that he that he tapped to so aspinol yeah when was that i thought it was undefeated

Speaker 1 that was a long time ago oh he's been before the

Speaker 1 yeah he got heel hooked before the uncle yeah interesting he's undefeated though it was a and it was a i mean it was a long time ago he's obviously gotten much better but it was a pretty shitty heel hook no kidding was it an amateur fight or was it a pro fight it's a pro fight i believe here's something to think about think if for whatever reason john decides he doesn't want to fight aspinol what the fuck do you do with aspenol right there's no one the heavyweight division's never been worse it's never been worse it's awful.

Speaker 1 Like there's Cyril gone. There's a triangle right here.
Oh, look at that. Pull that head down.

Speaker 2 He sticks to the head, just concentrates on the head.

Speaker 2 You might be able to get it.

Speaker 3 If he would have asked me a few weeks ago, I would say have Alex move up, but Alex just lost.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That was the bummer.
I heard that. Alex fought with a broke.
Here it is. Here's the heel hook.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's actually a heel knee bar.

Speaker 1 So here it is.

Speaker 1 Who's this guy?

Speaker 3 So you see, he just scoops the leg from half-guard.

Speaker 1 Tom was whooping his ass.

Speaker 3 And Tom turns away instead of trying to face him. So it exposes the heel and it turns into a heel knee bar.
Oh, weird.

Speaker 3 That's a heel hook, but it's a knee bar, but with the heel hook gripping, so he can't turn back into the luck.

Speaker 1 That dude's in some pub right now going, I beat that guy. I beat the fucking champ.
I beat the fucking champ. This guy keeps trying.

Speaker 3 He's got to create an angle.

Speaker 1 Well, he's got both arms. He's got told.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's got to go with a dead orchard, right, Eddie?

Speaker 1 Doesn't work.

Speaker 1 Does it ever work in MMA? Has anybody pulled it off in MMA?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Elvis Sinisek. Oh, that's true.
He was the first one.

Speaker 1 He was the first one.

Speaker 2 That's when no one really thought it was like, no one really even noticed it. Because you're taught, you only triangle your legs when there's one arm in, one arm out.
Not when there's two arms in.

Speaker 2 But his legs are so long, he armbarred Jeremy Horn. And then when you look at it, you're like, yo.

Speaker 2 He's triangling his legs and he has both arms in. Whoa, that's kind of a freak thing.
And we just thought it was a freak thing. And then

Speaker 2 Nathan Orchard and Brian Debs to my guys, they just started doing it all the time. They go, dude, do we do this all the time? I'm like, really? You're doing triangle? Like, you got to have long legs.

Speaker 1 You got to have long legs.

Speaker 2 If you have short legs, you got to do a Mexican dead orchard. That's what I do.
You got to do a lot of extra labor.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of extra stuff you got to do to put it.

Speaker 1 What's the Mexican dead orchard?

Speaker 2 How does it work? You got to do a lot of stuff. You got to go invisible collar to muddy waters and then Mexican dead.
There's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 Because if you have long hair or long long uh uh if you're a heavy metal dude if you have long legs you and you're on the bottom uh depending on how you match up with the guy he he can get dead orchard he could you could triangle your legs with his arms in a perfect defensive position and they get that a lot of times people get surprised like what the happened how did he triangle his legs that they don't understand but If you have short legs and the guys like this or just regular legs, there's no way you're going to be able to triangle your legs with both arms in.

Speaker 2 You need one arm in, one arm out. So with both arms in, the only way a Mexican or a Chinese guy could do a dead orchard is you got to have this arm down and this arm like this.

Speaker 1 Like this.

Speaker 2 Now I could triangle my legs. You got to do a lot of work.
You got to get the hand of the mat and then you got to get his elbow in. There's a lot of stuff.
It's super complicated.

Speaker 2 Dead orchards are not the greatest thing for, and you got to be super flexible. Super flexible and you got to put a lot of time into it.
But if you have long legs, you should be doing dead orchards.

Speaker 2 It's by far the number one arm bar in the guard no gi and there's not even a close second really there's a mid there i got one of my black belts has 84 dead orchards and his student who's a purple button has 34 dead orchards in competition who who has it uh that many orchards chris vickers wow from 10th planet of walnut creek orchard crazy and dead or uh there's they they happen all the goddamn time benetti got uh uh um wilson hays in in a combat jiu-jitsu match he got him in a dead orchard and wilson hays is high-level black belt he He just fought Mighty Mouse for the title a month before.

Speaker 2 That's high-level shit. Yeah.
You know, but, you know, but for girls, girls proportionately have longer legs than guys and more narrow shoulders.

Speaker 2 So if you're a girl out there and you're fighting MMA and you don't have a dead orchard in your game, you're missing out.

Speaker 2 Girls can do dead orchards at a higher level or a higher rate than guys.

Speaker 2 Just because of the body type.

Speaker 1 Who do you think has the best guard in MMA? Is it Oliveira or Paul Craig?

Speaker 1 Paul Craig's got a fucking pretty nasty guard. Paul Craig's so dangerous, Bow Nickel didn't take him down.
Yeah. Right?

Speaker 2 There's so few fighters with dangerous guards in MMA.

Speaker 1 There's so few. Fabricio was one.
There's like

Speaker 1 a spell.

Speaker 1 Fabricio Verdoom is the overlooked goat heavyweight.

Speaker 2 I would say Paul Craig.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Ankolive and Jamal Hill. He's got two world champions.

Speaker 1 Armbard both of them. Triangled them, armbard them.
Facts. Very impressive.

Speaker 1 Well, you got Nelson. Jamal's arm.
Remember, Jamal's arm was flopping all over the place, and he's beating on him. As far as jiu-jitsu-wise, you got Gunner Nelson on the card tonight.

Speaker 1 And then Sean Brady's no punk either. Sean Brady's wicked.
He's wicked. Philadelphia gorilla.
And I'm sure Gorby would like to point out that he beat Craig Jones in competition.

Speaker 3 He did beat Craig Jones

Speaker 1 in a grappling match.

Speaker 1 That was one of them deals where you couldn't do heel hooks, though, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I believe leg locks were illegal.

Speaker 1 That's a little sus.

Speaker 3 But, I mean, still, he's the MMA guy who fights at 170. Well, he's a fucking beast.

Speaker 1 No, yeah. No, he's got like a turtle shell for a back.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 he's a great grappler, which is why I'm excited to watch this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, his back is like triple thick. He's got like a little bit of a bunch of people.
John Mashawn Brady? Yeah.

Speaker 1 His back is like extra muscles. What do these do? And Leon Edwards in the Way-ins, he was like, I didn't realize how small he is.
I'm definitely going to have a strength advantage. You're like, oh.

Speaker 1 Can you answer that? Yeah, you're like, oh, buddy. Oh, boy.
You got to educate yourself. Well, Leon was saying at the Wayans, he's too small.
I'm going to take him out.

Speaker 1 Like, he might be shorter than you.

Speaker 1 He's a fucking chimp. Yeah.
He gets a hold of you. You got real problems.
Remember what he did to Kelvin? Yeah, dude. He's manhandled Kelvin.
Kelvin is a hell of a wrestler. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Hell of a wrestler. No, anyone who fights Sean Brady is like, he's the strongest guy we were

Speaker 1 against. All of them say it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Joe Pfeiffer says it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Joe Pfeiffer is fucking huge. Huge.
That's a guy where

Speaker 1 that's a guy. We're like, how the fuck do you make an 85? Wow.
How do you make 85?

Speaker 2 Gordon, in your opinion, what's the best leg lock for MMA? Best leg lock lock position. You're training someone, he wants to learn leg locks.
What do you think?

Speaker 3 Well, for you guys, it'd be called the honeyhole, but for us, Krosashigarami.

Speaker 2 Or Inside Sengaku?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Inside Senkaku, yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the best one, you think?

Speaker 1 One of them.

Speaker 2 And then what do you think about putting it on the outside and going Z-Lock?

Speaker 3 That's great, too.

Speaker 2 It seems like anything on the outside, it turns the guy, and he really can't hit you. Because really, it's about being

Speaker 1 safe from striking. Yes, of course.

Speaker 2 And 50-50, I think everyone agrees.

Speaker 2 You see 50-50 in MMA, and it works, but you can still reach the guy's face, but you can't really hit him that hard.

Speaker 3 50-50, 50-50, you can get hit outside Ashigarami, or you guys call it double outside.

Speaker 1 You can get hit. Yeah, that's the worst.

Speaker 3 But any, like, inside Senkaku, or if you pass a leg across to, we call it inside Ashigarami, where you have the, that's how I finished Nikki Rod, where you have the legs triangled inside, but the legs pass to the outside, so you have an outside heel hook.

Speaker 3 That's great. But because everyone's braking mechanics are not up to par on outside heel hooks, it's harder to get catastrophic breaks on outside heel hooks.

Speaker 3 So for MMA, if you have good braking mechanics, like Paul Horris finished a lot of outside heel hooks, but his braking mechanics were pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 The legs inside with the foot outside is best. Otherwise, just keep the foot on the other side and go for the inverted.

Speaker 2 So if this leg was reaping, this foot would be on the outside, right?

Speaker 1 Like this? Yeah, so you have an outside heel hook. We call that the Indian.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 That's gary heel hooking on the inside yeah um but so yeah so so it's a it's hard for the guy to the guy can't hit you from here he can't really throw any punches to your basically anything that's anytime you reap like which which which is that left leg going on the inside makes it hard for the guy to hit so most people think oh all leg locks don't work in mma you're gonna get smashed that's not true some leg locks will save your ass there was a fight in the ufc some brazilian guy i forget it was in the ultimate fighter he was on his back getting walloped and the guy was like had a horse stance on top of him against the cage and was thrown down.

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Speaker 2 Zillion just jumped, jumped on a knee bar, a knee bar attempt, and that saved him because now he can't, now

Speaker 2 he's punching his ass.

Speaker 2 And then from the knee bar, he got knocked down on his back, on his butt, and then they turned around, jumped on his back, and choked him out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think you're seeing a lot of heel hooks because a lot of guys just aren't very efficient at it.

Speaker 1 They're not focusing on it.

Speaker 2 Ryan Hall was one of the first to come in and really do some damage with leg locks. He got BJ Penn pretty quick.

Speaker 3 The number one determining factor of with leg locking is

Speaker 3 insofar as getting hit is

Speaker 3 in order for the person to actually hit you, they have to come up on top of you and put weight onto you. So the number one determining factor is can I keep this guy's head?

Speaker 3 If I can get if you're attacking and you're trying to punch the guy, if you can get your head over his head, you can hit with power.

Speaker 3 So any leg locking position, which doesn't allow your opponent to get head overhead is what's going to keep you safe.

Speaker 2 So, basically, double outside Oshi. What do you guys call it? Double outside Ashi? Just outside Ashi.
That's the worst one.

Speaker 3 That's the one that's because the guy can come forward into you and get head overhead if he can hit you.

Speaker 2 You either get that heel hook quick or you're going to take some damage.

Speaker 3 But anything where you're reaping, which doesn't allow him to come forward into you, because he'll break his own leg if he stacks you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And he can't get head overhead is what you should be looking for. But if the guy can get head overhead, then he can hit you easy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You going over leg locks with John Jones? Is he pretty good at them now?

Speaker 3 Yeah, we uh he kind of just bounces around from thing to thing.

Speaker 3 Like, he'll be like, Oh, I want to go over some leg locks, and then like you'll teach him a move, and you'll be like, So, darses, I got a question on dars, and it just like bounces like just ADHD just bounce, but that's how he learns.

Speaker 3 Like, he just bounces from move to move. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 The first time I met him, it was his first fight when he fought Stephan Bonner, and we were at it was in Boston, and we were at a boxing gym.

Speaker 2 I was just hanging out with you because you were taking a private with

Speaker 2 who was the guy from Amsterdam that you were taking privates with.

Speaker 2 It was either Shuki or Rob Kamen. It was one of them.
We were in some random boxing gym in Boston, and I was just sitting

Speaker 2 on the ring.

Speaker 1 It must have been Rob if we were in Boston.

Speaker 2 Waiting for you to be done. And then no one knew who John Jones was.
It was his first fight. He's sitting there.
And he comes up to me and he asks for advice. He goes, What do you think

Speaker 2 you got any advice from me? And I'm like, I didn't know. And he was fighting Stephan Bonner.
And I thought, oh, they're feeding Stephan Bonner, some new guy.

Speaker 1 Like, I felt bad for John Jones.

Speaker 2 So, what I told him is, is there's two kinds of wrestlers that

Speaker 2 come into MMA. Wrestlers that love jiu-jitsu and wrestlers that want to beat Jiu-Jitsu.
I go, don't be one of those wrestlers that wants to beat Jiu-Jitsu.

Speaker 1 Fall in love with it.

Speaker 2 Fall in love with submissions. Because

Speaker 2 the guys that want to beat it, they never last. They're eventually going to get taken out.

Speaker 1 Also, wrestlers have such an advantage of being able to manipulate bodies. The scariest jiu-jitsu guys.

Speaker 2 The scariest jiu-jitsu guys for the most part are guys that wrestle their whole life

Speaker 2 and then they fall in love with jiu-jitsu and they love pulling guard and all that. Like, oh, scared.

Speaker 1 Think about the guys Jon Jones submitted. Clover, Lioto.
Like, he's a fucking savage. Vitor.

Speaker 2 How about that Stefan Bonner fight? Wasn't he like just

Speaker 1 like throwing him out of his head?

Speaker 1 That spinning elbow. He beat the shit out of him.
Do you remember when

Speaker 1 we talked him into going to a big camp? Do you remember that conversation?

Speaker 1 When we were at the roof of

Speaker 1 the hotel? We were hanging out, And he was saying, what do you think I should do? I said, you're too good. You need to be at a big camp.
You need to be around killers.

Speaker 1 You're so good. You're going to get by a long way on your own.
I go, but you need like high-level coaching.

Speaker 1 You're a world champion. Did you recommend Jackson's to him? I did not.
He found Jackson's. Yeah.
Well, Jackson's was huge at the time.

Speaker 1 You know, so many.

Speaker 1 It's such a great gym. I mean, you can't go wrong with those guys.
And Greg is just such a great mind for strategy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and not a slimy guy. And And Winkle John's programme.
Winkle John was a legit, legit kickboxer. What was his day? Winkle John's a legit kickboxer.
He fought John Eve Terrio. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Winkle John's Terry. He was legit, man.
Winkle John's a legit striker. And then you got all those other people over there, too.
It's like such a killer lineup.

Speaker 1 But I was there during John's heyday, man. Yeah, you were.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think his heyday is still going on, man. Especially at heavyweight.
We just don't know. He's not active enough.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's really there's one fight, man. There's one fight.
And then after that, it's... After that,

Speaker 1 they got to scour. Because even if he, here's the thing, even if John Mollywops Tom, which I think John would be an underdog in the fight, but let's say John beats Tom.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1 And then retires. It's like, all right, Tom Asimov is still going to dominate.
Right. Who's going to beat him? You get Francis to come back.

Speaker 1 The Saudis. Come along.
Come on, come on, come on. The Saudis come along with that.
Francis is going to fight Wilder. Big bag.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 3 that's a good John Jones story that nobody knows.

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 3 I was cornering him for that fight, his last fight against Deepe.

Speaker 3 And we found out that Trump was going to be there. And

Speaker 1 for probably

Speaker 3 a solid 15 to 20 minutes,

Speaker 3 we only, while he was warming up, like 15 to 20 minutes, he's getting ready to go out to fight for the belt.

Speaker 3 Probably 20 minutes of that warm-up was him just practicing the mechanics on how to do the Trump dance, right?

Speaker 1 We like looked it up. We like YouTubed it, and he was like practicing the trump dance in the locker room, getting ready to dance.

Speaker 1 How confident are you of victory? Well, you're already practicing your victory dance. Pretty confident.
Pretty confident. And the best is we were all for it.

Speaker 1 We're like, no, like the hand's got to be a little bit higher.

Speaker 1 So we were like coaching him through it as he was doing it.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was laughing screwed up. How did that fight end? I forget.
Spinning back kick to the body.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I never told you this, but I was actually there.

Speaker 1 You were there?

Speaker 2 I flew in with the guys from CPI.

Speaker 1 Why didn't you tell me we were there?

Speaker 2 Because you're so busy. You know what I mean? And then

Speaker 2 I was with a big group. And what am I going to do? Bring it.
I'm like, you know what? Got it. You had so much shit going on.
And so Ed Clay from CPI calls me up and goes, hey, you want to go,

Speaker 2 you want me to pick you up in my private jet and go to see Tyson fight in Dallas? And then we fly and go see John Jones fighting.

Speaker 1 No, that sounds terrible.

Speaker 1 No, I hate fun. I need better friends.

Speaker 2 no one's actually said no did you really

Speaker 2 my kid had baseball my kid had baseball all weekend baseball fuck you so I said damn because he asked me this was on we were gonna leave on Thursday or Friday morning or Thursday and it was like Tuesday and I'm like yo what

Speaker 2 no one's ever asked I've never had that offer ever let me go pick you up in the private pick me up in Van Nuys Airport and then we go to Dallas and then we go to

Speaker 2 New York and then and I said, dude, I can't. I can't.
And then I told my wife and my wife goes, are you fucking retarded?

Speaker 1 That's a good wife.

Speaker 2 You call his ass back. You fucking going.
And I go, okay.

Speaker 1 The kids I call back. I said, my wife's making me go.
They play a lot of games. Yeah, especially his son, Travel Ball.

Speaker 1 So many games. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And, you know, to be honest with you, dude, I've been to a million UFCs. Like, I'd rather watch it at home or with my buddies.
Because we have UFC parties at the gym. And, you know,

Speaker 2 that's funner to me than to sit live to tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 This is my favorite way to argue.

Speaker 1 This is my favorite way.

Speaker 2 But when we were there, dude, I was just watching the whole Trump thing go on. You see RFK, Tosi Gabb, or was Elon there too?

Speaker 1 I believe he was. Yeah, he too.

Speaker 2 And I was just sitting there going, fuck, you're there.

Speaker 2 I'm like, dude, this is a good time for the deep state to fucking send the missile to Madison Square Guard who would solve all their problems.

Speaker 3 It was like, dude, there was like, dude. It was like 47 checkpoints.

Speaker 1 It was like, as their shit service,

Speaker 2 and then I see Trump come up. I saw the whole fucking thing.
Trump walking straight to you and gave you a big fucking hug. And he's whispering, sweet, nothing's in your ear.

Speaker 1 I'm like, holy, they're like, this shit right here. Like, I was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 He goes right to you, man. Look at that.
He didn't want to talk to John Addict.

Speaker 1 He was going right to you.

Speaker 3 He knew you were ready for the fucking handshake poll.

Speaker 1 So he was like, no,

Speaker 1 he just came to give me a hug that time.

Speaker 1 Dude, look at that. And what did he say? He gave DC the left, man.

Speaker 1 He basically said, I won him the election.

Speaker 2 Damn. How crazy is this?

Speaker 1 Right? Very interesting times.

Speaker 2 And then, and then, and then John Jones wins and then does the dance.

Speaker 1 That was crazy. Dude, that day.

Speaker 2 That day was insane.

Speaker 1 It was so bad.

Speaker 2 That day was insane.

Speaker 3 It was a great day.

Speaker 1 For the world.

Speaker 2 That did world history shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They could put that whole event in some book.

Speaker 3 But all the other athletes started doing the Trump dance after that.

Speaker 1 A lot of football players were already doing that. There were a lot of fucking giants.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 2 That's the coolest shit ever.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 John Jones. Sad.
The goat. No goat.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The goat now. No argument.
No doubt.

Speaker 2 No doubt. It's silly when people argue that.

Speaker 1 If he beats Aspen, everybody has to shut the fuck up forever. Damien shut the fuck up.
He even be be ready to lose Aspinall. His resume to Light Heavyweight.

Speaker 1 You got to realize he went through that whole fucking span of fighting the best of the best that Light Heavyweight's ever had to offer. Look at the fucked up line.
Look at the line.

Speaker 1 It's like Tom Aspinall is a slight favorite. That's good.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 he should be.

Speaker 1 Look at Marab over Sean. Yeah.
Ooh, 350 to win.

Speaker 3 Dude, Tom hasn't been out of the first round.

Speaker 1 Is this real? Are they doing Marab and Sean again? These are just a website taking action. Yeah, they are taking bets already.

Speaker 1 They are, huh? When is that happening? I don't know, but it's got to be July, right? Yeah, probably. That Islam top area.

Speaker 1 Islam's happening. No, Islam's going up to 70.

Speaker 1 Is he?

Speaker 1 Interesting. Oh, Shane.
Shane.

Speaker 2 He's got to do a drunk Trump. You know, Trump has never been drunk ever in his life.
But him doing a... Can you imagine if Trump

Speaker 1 was drunk on Twitter?

Speaker 2 Can you imagine the drunk tweets he would send?

Speaker 1 Trump doesn't drink. He's all that.

Speaker 1 Heone to Davies. She's amazing.

Speaker 1 Top female grapplers. I just don't recognize her all dolled up.
She's amazing, dude. I saw her McKenzie Dernbaus.
Super cool.

Speaker 2 Dude, the first time I saw her, she was in EBI. She was a purple belt, and she went against

Speaker 2 her first round match was against Talita Alankara, who was a black belt world champion. I gave Talita, like, oh, you're going to get a purple belt.
You get the low seed. So it was like an easy round.

Speaker 2 And I'm sitting there and I'm reffing. And I'm like, oh, Talita's going to kill this little Irish girl.

Speaker 1 And dude, Fion was all over her, took her back and almost finished her. And I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 And the only reason I put her in there was because Keith Grocorian, he sent me a message, goes, Yo,

Speaker 2 there's this chick Fiona Davies. You got to throw her in.
I go, Okay, whatever. I'll take that advice.
But Talita ended up winning. She ended up getting her back at the end and winning.

Speaker 2 But it was scary for a second.

Speaker 1 And that was as a purple belt.

Speaker 2 As a purple belt. She almost beat a world champion.

Speaker 1 This dude looks like he's had a hard life. He's tatted up like a machine gun kid.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know these guys.

Speaker 1 So we'll see what happens with that one. There's a lot of good fights coming up.
I'm wondering whether Miami do with Toporia, but I like what you were saying. Toporia versus Olivero.
Olivero.

Speaker 1 Your first introduction at 55. He's kind of that.

Speaker 1 He's so tall and dangerous. So dangerous everywhere.
Dangerous striking. Huge reach advantage.

Speaker 1 But if you're Topira, you're not going to go up to 55 without some sort of guarantee. Because remember, he's giving up the belt, so he's not getting pay-per-view points.
But it's his idea.

Speaker 1 Well, because the weight cut's too tough. Is that what it is? Yeah, really? 45 is too tough for him.
But he's been doing it and winning. He's just sick of it.
Yeah, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 Apparently, that last cut was really tough, and his team was like, all right, no more. Wow.
But so, what is he winning?

Speaker 1 You're not going to give up the pay-per-view points and just dip out and then just go into the queue at 55. What was he weighing when he was fighting 45? What was he walking around with?

Speaker 1 They were saying like 180 between, 170. Yeah, big, that's the thing.
It was like, oh, he's too small, 55. I'm like, he's fucking big out of killing.
Yeah, but those guys are real big.

Speaker 1 Like, Islam's huge. Let's stand next to Islam.

Speaker 2 How about Gleason Tobau?

Speaker 1 He would cut to 55.

Speaker 2 That guy walked around at 250. That was back in the day.

Speaker 1 That was back in the day. I think he has the

Speaker 1 dude.

Speaker 2 That dude has the record for weight cut. Anthony Johnson.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Anthony Johnson.
Anthony 17.

Speaker 3 I don't know if Alex ever made 85.

Speaker 1 Who? Right. Peter Trigger.
No. We'd fight at 225.

Speaker 1 How about DDP? He's fucking huge, bro.

Speaker 1 He's huge. Yeah, he's so big.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen him in person.

Speaker 3 I said that to Alex when I was like a Jack 230, and he like dwarfed me.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, how does this guy cut to 80? Like, he was bigger.

Speaker 3 In every metric, he was bigger. He was longer.
He was thicker.

Speaker 1 They say he fought with a broken hand and norovirus against Ankolaev. He fought with a broken toe before.
When he beat

Speaker 1 Yuri Prohaska, he had a fucked up knee. Like, remember when he went and he tumbled at the end of the fight? That's because his knee wouldn't support him.

Speaker 1 He was basically fighting on one one leg in the first fight. Then he gets surgery.
I guess it's probably meniscus because he came back pretty quick. Walk around weight, 231.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Exactly, dude.
And he looks 231. When you stand next to him, he looks like a heavyweight.
He'd go up 205. Oh, easy.
Easily. Easy 205.
And the strength for

Speaker 1 people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Get you some. He's a scary dude.
He's going to be a problem. Because he confused everybody.
Everybody's like, oh, this guy's all awkward and shit. He's going to get pieced up.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, we watched so many fights. I'd see his style.
I'm like, oh, oh, he's gonna get exposed eventually. Well, I think that's it.
And when you just see him, you're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 When we saw him early in his career, he did not have a nose. His nose was.
His cardio is bad. Yeah, his mouth was wide open all the time.
And then he got that nose fixed.

Speaker 1 And then all, man, I remember when I got mine fixed, I was like, why didn't I do this a long time ago? He had like 10% more cardio instantly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, his coach came out and was like, he was only breathing at 6% capacity. And I was like, this is some bullshit.
Out of his nose, man. Out of his nose.
I believe that. And then he got it fixed.

Speaker 1 And this motherfucker is unstoppable. Rockhold just did something online where they did a scan inside of his nose.
It's all gone. His whole nose is just completely clogged.

Speaker 1 Because it's like your ears. You get cauliflower ear.
That shit, the same thing happens inside your nose.

Speaker 1 The blood pools up and it calcifies, and you just get rocks inside your nose. Your nose is just a big fucking closed, like a tunnel that caved in on miners.

Speaker 3 Jesus Christ. I had mine fixed when I had my ton selected me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And they had like the stents up there for like a week.

Speaker 1 I feel like you got a good nose for fighting.

Speaker 1 No, homo, you got like a button nose, like cute button nose. Freaking cute butt nose.

Speaker 1 I think you have a good nose. So does Eddie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Has anybody thrown a lot of money at you to try to get you to do MMA?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was offered seven figures.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 To do like bare knuckle MMA.

Speaker 1 Oh, bare knuckle. Was it Masvidal's thing?

Speaker 3 I believe so. It wasn't Masvidal who reached out.
It was somebody else.

Speaker 1 Dean, probably.

Speaker 3 I think it was maybe through Philly Fresh.

Speaker 3 Reached out, and it it was somewhere around seven figures.

Speaker 1 Wow. Do it.
Yeah, I'd watch that.

Speaker 3 But it was like, I was getting ready for ADCC at the time, and I'm just like, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You were going to do Combat Jiu-Jitsu, too. It was going to be him against Fabricio Verdum.
Combat Jiu-Jitsu.

Speaker 1 That was happening, dog. That was happening.
Take my money. Fuck yes.

Speaker 1 I tore my LCL

Speaker 1 against you.

Speaker 2 And then Fabricio got hurt too. So

Speaker 2 they both dropped out. But it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 Fabricio got flyers and everything. Fabricio's in GFL.
GFL's got everybody. Chris Wydem's like, I'm retired.
And the GFL called him up. He's like, I'm on retirement.
I'm back in.

Speaker 1 Dude, they're fighting. It's end of May,

Speaker 1 the arena by the USC down there. It's end of May in LA.
What kind of testing they got? Multiple choice? Don't be a hater.

Speaker 1 What's this testing you speak of? But, dude, they got to get it. Take out old guys.
Don't test it. That'll be cool.
Don't test the fucking dude. Don't be nice.
The WWE. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's go back to the old days. But yeah, Dylan Dannis, Tony Ferguson.

Speaker 1 I like it, though. Ooh, that's a good fight.
That's a good fight.

Speaker 3 I saw that poster.

Speaker 3 It's got to be fake because there's zero chance that Dylan. It was at lightweight.

Speaker 1 Here it is. There's no chance.
But remember, their weights are different.

Speaker 1 The weight cuts different. What is it? 10 pounds.
So they can agree to fight at a weight that they're both comfortable at.

Speaker 3 So legendary lightweight matchup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but lightweight's different for them. It could be 65.

Speaker 3 But there's no way he makes 65. He could barely make 70 when he was 170 when he was in shape for ADCC.

Speaker 1 Their weight classes are different. We pulled it up the other day.
Like middle weight is 200 pounds.

Speaker 1 So maybe.

Speaker 3 Oh, look, I posted right there. That was my comment.
They love making lightweight.

Speaker 1 Well, let's see. Pull up GFL weight classes, Jamie.
I think they're definitely different. They're different.

Speaker 1 So if Tony goes, hey, man, I feel good at whatever, 168, 170, and Dylan agrees, like, yeah, I'll fight you at 170.

Speaker 3 Dylan wasn't even making 170 when he fought in Beltor.

Speaker 1 50-50 revenue share?

Speaker 3 He would fight at catch weight.

Speaker 1 Athletes can earn a fair share of the revenue generated from events, ensuring their success is directly linked to the league success. Dang.

Speaker 2 How do they determine that?

Speaker 1 50-50 for that. 50-50

Speaker 1 once they get over, you know, once they get in the positive. But then also, like, let's.

Speaker 2 How do they know who's moving the needle?

Speaker 1 If they all get it? They all get 50-50. Yeah, they all get it.
Okay. They split them up and just Google GFL's weight classes and see if a website explains it.
On their website, I wouldn't know.

Speaker 1 I know, but I don't think they have it on their website.

Speaker 2 That's different. If they split the profit, what if they don't make any profit?

Speaker 1 Then nobody gets it.

Speaker 1 But then what's dope is, like, let's say Gordon was going to fight and has and brought in a sponsor and then they want to sponsor the entire thing. He gets 20% of anything you bring.

Speaker 1 See, featherweight goes up to 55. Lightweight is 65.
Walterweight's 80%. So how's Dylan Dance making 65? That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 There's zero chance.

Speaker 3 He's big.

Speaker 3 When he fought in Beltor, he would fight at catch weight. It was 175.

Speaker 1 I like their light, heavyweight, 225.

Speaker 1 I wish they had that when I was fighting this shit.

Speaker 2 Maybe he's in the best shape of his life.

Speaker 1 Maybe he's maybe.

Speaker 1 Isn't he fighting KSI in boxing? So shouldn't he be in Knights?

Speaker 3 KSI just pulled out.

Speaker 1 All right, well, that's fine.

Speaker 3 But I'm telling you, there's no way Dylan's going to make sense.

Speaker 1 How does KSI pull out against Dylan Dannis? Like, Dylan's not a boxer. KSI is a pretty good boxer.

Speaker 1 He's legit. Like, for those kind of guys,

Speaker 1 you know, he's a good boxer for that class. Did he fight Tommy Fury? Or was he going to? He was going to, and then something happened, right? I think.
But KSI looks legit to me.

Speaker 1 Like, out of those guys. For those influencer stuff, yeah, he's legit.
No problem. He's got hands.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Dylan is not a boxer, so it's crazy that he would

Speaker 1 think he could be not even at his best and take that fight.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I maybe got hurt. I'm not sure.
I just saw, I just saw something that he pulled out. I don't even know.
This is a sick box.

Speaker 1 He's got a video here. I don't know.
Oh, he got real sick? I saw. Got some new coronavirus? Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah. I mean, there's a breeze strip on.
Oh, what's that?

Speaker 1 Put it on. We can hear him.

Speaker 1 What is going on? And honestly, I've never been this ill for this long in my life, life, and I hate it. I feel useless, and it's depressing.
I feel like I've let so many people down.

Speaker 1 I haven't been able to post any YouTube videos to help promote the fight because I've just been feeling so shit. I'm just sick of being sick, man.

Speaker 1 Okay, he's sick. Sounds legit.
Yeah. The breathe strip does it.

Speaker 1 I've been sleeping with mouth tape.

Speaker 1 You tape your mouth shut? Yeah,

Speaker 1 so you just breathe through your nose.

Speaker 1 I can't do that. Game changer.

Speaker 2 Game changer. Is that for snoring?

Speaker 1 In what way? It's not just for snoring. It's like you feel better when you wake up.
You feel more rested. Really? Yeah, man.
It's amazing. I love it.
Your mouth shuts up.

Speaker 1 I just started doing it the last two weeks.

Speaker 2 How does it work? What does it look like?

Speaker 1 I just put a black piece. It's called hostage tape.
I put a black piece of tape over my mouth. Is your wife like that? She goes asleep.
She wears it too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We're both hostage tape.
We're both like, good night, babe.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Give it a kiss. Gornheart.

Speaker 2 You just use any tape or is it special?

Speaker 1 It's a special tape for mouth taping. There's a bunch of companies that make mouth tape.

Speaker 1 But this company, Hostage Tapes. And it doesn't fall off.
No. It has before, but I keep an extra one by the bed.
If it falls off, I just slap into it.

Speaker 1 When I get like this, like this much stubble, I kind of have to shave so it sticks better.

Speaker 1 You would have a little bit of an issue with your beard.

Speaker 1 Probably wouldn't stick that good. That's why Hitler did his mustache that way, so you could fit a gas mask.
That's real. No.
Yeah, yeah. Shut the fuck up.
Jamie, look it up. Is that real?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know my shit.

Speaker 3 Apparently, he was gassed pretty bad in the First World War.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So he like despised.
And that's why he did that mustache. Oh, it's real.
That's real. I don't know if that's real, but apparently

Speaker 3 he was gassed pretty bad in the First World War.

Speaker 1 Yeah, mustard gas. Bro, that First World War was nuts.
The first time they decided to use giant fans and gas people.

Speaker 1 The Toothpress Mustache Family Associated said it originated from the military order to trim his large mustache to facilitate wearing a gas mask. Go down to the military order.

Speaker 1 During his service in Bavarian Infantry Division, Hitler was ordered to trim his mustache to ensure a proper seal with a gas mask. Wow.
And you got the Michael Jordan mustache.

Speaker 3 That was a fun fact of the day.

Speaker 1 Wow. Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan's the only guy to ever pull it off. Ever.
No one ever said shit. Like, that's cool.

Speaker 1 You're cool. In a commercial.
You're Michael Jordan. This is funny that that mustache is gone forever.
You know, didn't he fight?

Speaker 2 Wasn't he like in the front line in World War I?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. He got gased.
Mustard gas.

Speaker 2 And he got fucked up, right?

Speaker 1 And that's when he decided to run for everything because he thought he was saved by God. Because everyone's like, you know what's funny?

Speaker 1 The craziest thing about the gas thing, the guy who invented Zyklon A, which became Zyklon B, which they killed the Jews with, that guy, Fritz Haber, who was a Jew himself, he originally,

Speaker 1 when he invented this, he also invented the Haber method for extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. The Haber method is responsible for 50% of the nitrogen in most people's bodies.

Speaker 1 Because the Haber method of extracting nitrogen made it so they could fertilize all kinds of soil. So he invents that, and he also invents this gas that kills everybody at the same time.

Speaker 1 And there's no odor, right? Well, Zyklon B, there's no odor. Zyklon A was invented, I think it was a pesticide.

Speaker 1 And the idea was the smell was so awful so that you would recognize when it was there and you'd get the fuck away from it.

Speaker 1 Then Zyklon B, they got rid of the smell.

Speaker 1 But when they were gassing the troops, he was being wanted for crimes against humanity, for war crimes, at the same time he was going to win the Nobel Prize for inventing the Haber method. Wild.

Speaker 1 And then when Hitler takes over, the Jews all get kicked out of Germany, and he's kind of sort of privileged because he's a part of the administration, but then he gets ostracized and he winds up having to be, he winds up being exiled, and he dies on the run.

Speaker 1 He died on the run? Died on the run. Died running away from the Nazis.
Jesus, man. Yeah.
Wild. Crazy story.
Dude, have we talked about the

Speaker 1 JFK files? Not yet. No one has.
No. I mean, we talked about a little bit yesterday, but I don't know anything like groundbreaking.
Nothing, right? Nothing that I've seen so far.

Speaker 3 Do you file that page on Instagram? It's called Real News, No Bullshit. Yes.
They posted something about it. Oh, yeah.
And they posted it.

Speaker 3 It was like, I think it was like 2,000 pages or something, and they posted the key takeaways. I read a little bit about it, but I kind of just was like...

Speaker 1 It's kind of like confirmation that I was like, Mafia, Israel, and the CIA. Well, I read one thing that the CIA within the week or two had dismissed the idea of a single shooter.
I read one thing.

Speaker 1 They're like, no, there's more than one shooter. Like, this was the.

Speaker 2 It took them a week to figure that out.

Speaker 2 Weren't they involved?

Speaker 1 Allegedly.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 What part of the CIA? So, like, if you're involved in killing the president, you're not telling Mike down the hallway. It's a small group.

Speaker 1 You know, you have an enormous fucking office filled with thousands of employees. It's not like everybody's like, hey, get a meeting.

Speaker 1 That Irish guy, fuck him. You know, we're going to take him for a ride through Dallas and shoot him in the fucking head.

Speaker 2 Did you hear that phone call from Lyndon B.

Speaker 1 Johnson to the wife?

Speaker 2 To the wife, like a month later.

Speaker 1 Bro, we're fighting on site. They were fucking, huh? Wasn't that after him? He was giving you a slap, but that was after

Speaker 1 a month later. He's like, how are you not going to say goodbye next time I see you? I'm going to give you a slapping around Christmas.
She's like, you better. I'll wear the rouge or whatever.

Speaker 1 He's like, you better. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Bro. I think everybody was fucking everybody back then.
God, good times. They were wild people.
Nobody, there was no social media. No one's a snitch.

Speaker 1 They all just, I mean, everybody knew that Kennedy was fucking everybody.

Speaker 1 All the press knew. Nobody knew

Speaker 1 NMLK.

Speaker 2 Wasn't he, didn't he have an affair with Marilyn Monroe?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And the brother.

Speaker 1 And the brother. And she was fucking both brothers, dude.
In the game. That's a fact, that's a fact.
That's not a conspiracy. No, no, fact.
Fact. Fact.
That's crazy. And that's probably why she died.

Speaker 1 She probably started writing a memoir. And they're like, that's rap.
Yeah, they said the brother, the Apelo talk, is what fucked her over because he'd fill her in and all this shit. Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 And then John F. K.
was like, bro, what are you doing? Really? They're both fucking her. Yeah.
Hilarious. Hilarious.
People were wild back then. Wild boys.
No, no accountability. You get away with it.

Speaker 1 And if you're the president, like, that's the reason why the presidents wanted to fuck.

Speaker 1 Despite rumors and speculation, no definitive proof of an affair. Oh, no.
Oh, is this Google, Jamie? This is, yeah. Yeah, it's a reputable news source.

Speaker 1 You didn't see the documentary on Netflix then. Definitely no proof.
Yeah, I mean, no speculation. Let it go.
The JFK stuff kind of just confirmed what kind of they labeled conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, we've said it was CIA, Assad. It's going to take a while for the nerds to really go through it.

Speaker 1 Oh, Candice Own's been through it, I bet. Has she been through it? I would have said it.
Well, she's too busy with the Macrone thing. I watched two hours of that today.
Me too. Have you seen her?

Speaker 1 Macron's a man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Bridget McCrone's a man. She got you.
She got me. Candice got me.
She got me hooked line sink.

Speaker 1 I was was eating breakfast today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 I was eating elk steaks, watching Candace Owens on my fucking

Speaker 1 YouTube.

Speaker 2 I love her. Did you see that? I'm like, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 Have you dived into her Harvey Weinstein shit? Yes. I watched the first episode of that.
Bro. Crazy.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. She's like, I can't believe I'm on Harvey Weinstein's side.
Right? Crazy.

Speaker 1 I thought he was guilty of heinous crimes. And then you listen to it and you're like, wait, what? What is going on?

Speaker 1 When they go through the actual affidavit and what the girls accuse him for, you're like, what? Also, they're not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 It's a back and forth with the girl. Yeah, she was talking about his testicles.
He doesn't have them.

Speaker 1 Like, there's all these

Speaker 1 things that should have been,

Speaker 1 that should have completely thrown out a lot of her claims. Like, she was talking about he made me hold his balls or something like that.
He doesn't have balls. He doesn't have balls.

Speaker 1 His balls are literally inside of his thigh. He's like 30 years old.
They have to get rid of him. He's got a terrible disease.
It's like gangrene of the dick. Oh, my God.
Have you ever heard of it?

Speaker 1 Never heard of it. Oh, he's got this crazy disease where your dick is basically like rotting off, which is kind of crazy for a guy who's like obviously a sex addict.

Speaker 1 Your dick starts rotting away and then you still whip it out. You're whipping out a zombie dick.
Yeah. Like it's a mess.
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Speaker 1 What is that actually called? Prosecutors revealed to the jury that Weinstein underwent surgery in 99 for Fournier's gangrene, which required doctors to remove some of his scrotum.

Speaker 1 That surgery caused a pretty noticeable scarring because of an infection. His testicles were actually taken from his scrotum and put into his inner thighs.

Speaker 1 So you go through the reports and they're like, yeah, he made me suck on his balls. You're like, you know,

Speaker 1 that's a problem. Whoa.
There's a lot of problems. The lady was a grifter.
The lady, allegedly, and was going back and forth from rich guy to rich guy, trying to get things happening.

Speaker 1 And Harvey put her in a few things. That was Harvey's move, apparently.
He'd put you in a few things.

Speaker 1 But like, Whitney told me that he would make deals with ladies. Like, look, suck my dick.
I'll get you an Oscar. He'd be a Batman.
And they would suck his dick. Yeah.
And he would get him an Oscar.

Speaker 1 And, like, this is the thing where everybody thanked him. Thank you, Harvey.

Speaker 2 That actually happened.

Speaker 1 Yes. He gave an actress an Oscar.
Well, he didn't give him an Oscar.

Speaker 1 He gave him an Oscar Award-winning role in a Mirror Max film, which is going to be a blockbuster film, which pretty much gets you real close.

Speaker 1 And then there's the influence of it being a Harvey Weinstein movie. He was the king at the time, and everybody followed his lead.

Speaker 1 Like when, you know, you have big movies like Pulp Fiction and those kind of films that Miramax produced, they produced bangers.

Speaker 1 you go back and look at the the Mirror Max library banger after banger when Harvey Weinstein was because quintantino yeah I mean it's just like the wildest movies from the wildest dude you know who was clearly a sex addict he's like if you want to be a lead in pulp fiction you gotta suck these balls in my thigh

Speaker 1 I mean, it's fucking wild. He just was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If this happened in the 80s, I probably would have thrown it out. But in the Me Too movement, it was a hot witch hunt.

Speaker 1 There was a lot of people that got in deep shit. Dude, look into the dude from that 70s show who's in prison for life.
His appeal is coming up. Look into that one.
Really? Bro.

Speaker 3 He had like, that was like three, three chicks, right?

Speaker 1 Three chicks. And if you look at the appeal,

Speaker 1 it started off with, oh, he raped me and drugged me. And then it went to, he held a gun to my head.
Like, it's all, they keep changing their stories. That one's wild.
That one's wild. Really?

Speaker 1 That one's wild. You've been following the Justin Baldoni Blake Lively thing? Bro, Blake Lively.
Talk about ruining your reputation and Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, they fucked up.

Speaker 1 Ryan's trying to get out of it now. He's trying to get out of the lawsuit.
And they're like, you were a key part of this. This is what you get, though.
This is what you get.

Speaker 1 You're trying to fucking ruin a guy's livelihood by using the Me Too movement. Because they were trying to take over the movie.
Yeah. They were trying to take over the movie and the whole franchise.

Speaker 1 He owned the franchise. They're fucked.
The whole thing's crazy. They're fucked.
And he's suing the New York Times, and he's got a great case. He's going hard in the paint.
But that's what it takes.

Speaker 1 That's what it takes. It's like Johnny Depp.
Yeah. He's like, all right.
Yeah. He did it for the boys.
Exactly. Exactly.
You got to do it.

Speaker 1 You need real motherfuckers to be like, nah, man, I ain't going out like this. Yeah, especially a guy like that who's like known as being like this really sweet, nice guy.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, all right. Dude, he posted the receipts.
Oh, yeah. He's like, oh, remember our text exchange?

Speaker 1 But how about she told him to, you know, to come into the dressing room while she was breastfeeding?

Speaker 1 And then part of the complaint was that he came into the breast room while I was breastfeeding. Like, you literally have a text exchange back and forth.

Speaker 1 They just never thought that anybody was going to come out with the receipts. Because no one's ever done it because everyone's usually just back.
Because everyone's scared.

Speaker 1 Because Ryle Reynolds, A-list, Blake Lively, A-list. Like, don't, they're the queens.

Speaker 1 Oh, is it over?

Speaker 3 Yeah, we missed it.

Speaker 1 It's 2025. That shit's over, man.

Speaker 3 18 up against the cage.

Speaker 1 We're terrible at this. Yeah, we've been talking about Harvey Weinstein's nuts and his thighs.
We missed the favorite gate team. Close guard out.

Speaker 3 Closed guard gate team.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get a Coke real quick. Anyone want anything? Nope.
Nope. Thank you.
I'm going to take a piss really quick. All right, I'll wait for you to take a piss so we're not all gone.

Speaker 1 We're gonna miss you eddie it'd be cool if we grab me a coke right like i got you go grab him a coke eddie oh wait till he's out there that'd be cool oh dude i haven't seen that out there yet two three oh that's a belt bro that's the gordon ryan belt motherfuckers right there that's badass prominent position that's uh that is a prominent position yeah that looks awesome

Speaker 1 you two pulled up in some shit today your new car that fucking truck

Speaker 1 jesus christ i haven't seen that car what is it oh it's a shelby super snake what year uh 24. okay first one i've ever seen how much horsepower does it make make?

Speaker 3 830.

Speaker 1 830, yeah. Ooh,

Speaker 1 75. So fun.
Does it magic? Yeah, of course. What am I? A communist?

Speaker 1 It's magic.

Speaker 3 They don't make the GT500s.

Speaker 1 I know, but they make the Super Snake and the Supernova. Which is why I bought it.
I would have bought a GT500, but there was one company that was doing a swap.

Speaker 1 They were doing a six-speed swap on a GT500. I almost bought that.
But then I thought about it. I was like, I don't want any Frankenstein cars.
Like, I don't know how this dicey.

Speaker 1 Computer stuff, weird shit. Because, you know, it's not designed for that.
But the Super Snake is designed for it. Oh, it auto-blips on the down shifts.
It's nice. Sounds nice.
Oh, it sounds like war.

Speaker 1 It sounds like a real American muscle car, but it's modern. So it's like, it has all the feel of a muscle car.
The lurch when you hit the gas.

Speaker 1 Fucking giant power. Great handling.
Great handling. The brakes are great.
Yeah, but it's also real comfortable to drive. Suspension is beautiful.
Yeah, it's a great fucking car. And it just fucks.

Speaker 1 It's so good looking. Oh, it's so fun.
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 It's such an American car. Bro, I I was at Meekum yesterday.
You should see some of the shit people do with those cars, man. It's wild.
With Mustangs? Everything. Oh, with everything.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Mustangs for sure, like the old, the 60s, all that shit. Oh, yeah.
Dude. And when they, the resto mods,

Speaker 1 I'm just sitting there like, bro, I want it all. I know it's a problem.
I want it all. Cars are a real problem.

Speaker 1 We're talking to three guys here. Real car problems.
Oh, dude. I had a budget.
Like, they cleared me to buy something and I've never bid on anything. I went fucking nuts, dude.
What'd you get?

Speaker 1 It's for a good boy, right? I got a Jeep.

Speaker 1 i went nuts man i tackled my manager i didn't know what to do i was so nervous i was so fucking nervous because there's there's like big ballers like there was a guy i went to the kisme one there's some old i have no idea what he did he was next to me in

Speaker 1 12 minutes he probably spent seven million dollars in cars and didn't give a fuck yeah and i was like bro you just won that gt40 how are you not No fist pump? Nothing. That's yours? That's mine.

Speaker 1 What color is that? It's like a purplish, pinkish? Yeah, it's like a pinkish, but it has a 392. It's the last call edition.
Brand new. Less than 200 miles.

Speaker 1 That looks good. Look, I attacked my fucking manager right there.
Oh, so you were right there when it happened? I was on ESPN. I didn't know.
I was so embarrassed when they told me I was on live TV.

Speaker 1 That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 Those 392 Jeeps are sick. Oh, they're great.

Speaker 1 Brigham has a lifted one. They are awesome.
Oh, I'm going to... Toss some king shocks on that bitch.
A big magnet. That's another classic American car.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Jeeps look exactly like Jeeps, and they have like that for... They look updated, but it's kind of like a 9-11.
That's what I was just going to say.

Speaker 1 They never change the body style, so they have this cult following. You know, it's the most Googled truck in the world.
Oh, I believe. Wrangler.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They have like a cult following. Also, there's so much customization available for those things, because they've been around for so long.
How long they're like Lego cars. Yeah, you can't go wrong.

Speaker 1 So much shit for them. You can't go wrong with that.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen the America's Most Wanted Jeeps? Oh, where they tossed the Hellcat in them? Oh, the Demon? Yeah, baby. They put 1,200 horsepower in those bitches.
That's my shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's my shit. And they do up the suspension and, you know, map everything out perfect.
Were you going to get one in that?

Speaker 1 You're sending me one. I'm too busy.

Speaker 1 Too many things.

Speaker 1 Too many things. I hope I call y'all, get some bullshit, like a four-excursion or my hubble.
I'm overwhelmed. Power stroke, and I call him.
They're like, cool, cool. And he tells you what he has.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, there's one.
Look at that. That's a thousand horsepower.

Speaker 1 That has the health engine in it. Those things are wild.
Yeah, they make some wild ones. 260 stars.

Speaker 3 Are you going to get the new ZR1?

Speaker 1 I want to. I should.
But I shouldn't. But I will.
I already put the order into spec one.

Speaker 3 You had the SF-90 on order, didn't you?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you get it? Still coming.
No, it hasn't gotten here yet.

Speaker 3 You should just get the ZR-1 instead.

Speaker 1 The other one's going to my wife. That's fair.
His wife's driving. That's a nice power for our

Speaker 1 all black.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't. I just stopped driving.
I kind of stopped driving automatic cars. Unless it's my Tesla.

Speaker 3 What's your favorite car to drive?

Speaker 1 Don't say that. I don't know.

Speaker 1 The Tesla, if I want to get there quick. Yeah.
If I want to get there quick. But you want people unplugged performance flipping off and shit.
I know they're not.

Speaker 1 You don't want them drawing Nazi signs on it. You don't have too much of a problem with that in Austin.
You know what's weird?

Speaker 1 Is you know me, I can't stand electric cars, but now that the libs are like, I'm like, oh shit, I might get a Cybertruck. I wish a motherfucker would.
Yeah, just because. I wish I would.
Just because.

Speaker 1 Oh, now I want one. Now you fucked up.
It's so stupid. I might get one and swap a diesel in it so it looks like it, and they don't know

Speaker 1 just so they fuck with me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 People have done that. They've put V8s, they've dropped V8s in Tesla's.

Speaker 1 It's a lot of work, though. It's also working.
You're basically just tossing.

Speaker 1 You got to pay for the cyber truck. And I'm going to have to pay for it.
It's a disaster. Rich Rebuilds did one.

Speaker 3 And then it's just slower.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's silly. Sometimes it's not all about speed, though.
You know, people tell me that.

Speaker 1 I'm like, ah, you ever driven like a fucking water-cooled, fucking, you know, flat-six Porsche, like, stick? No, it's a Porsche, of course. Right.
It's not all about that.

Speaker 1 Especially the air-cooled ones. Yeah, the air-cooled ones.
It's just not all about that. Especially those old ones are so light.
You feel everything. You're dealing with a 2,000-pound car.

Speaker 1 Even if it only has 250 horsepower, it's so fun. It's different.

Speaker 1 It's so different. It's like an amusement park ride.
You know, it's like,

Speaker 3 it's just like you feel it. It feels like you could die at any point, but then you look down and you're doing like 35 miles.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like my Hummer, it's not the fastest, but fuck, it's cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck. There's nothing like that.
I forgot you got a Hummer. What's in that thing? A 6-0 power stroke, fully built.
Aren't there? Big-ass turbo.

Speaker 2 Aren't there electric hummers now?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Those are great, man.
The new GMCs, those are fucking great. Redband has one of those.
It's fucking awesome. They crab walk.
Crab walk, yeah, you can parallel park like this.

Speaker 1 They go sideways.

Speaker 3 I heard the charging has some issues.

Speaker 1 They've had a lot of issues with them, yeah. No, he hasn't had any problems with them.
They'll figure those out, though. Yeah, he loves it, though.
It's fast as shit, too, for a big-ass fucking truck.

Speaker 1 They're so fast. So fast.
Crazy. So fast.
But huge.

Speaker 2 It's an enormous truck. You think they're going to start making less electric vehicles now that Trump's in?

Speaker 1 They're already doing it.

Speaker 1 Here's the problem with electric vehicles. This is the number one problem.
Resale. Terrible.
Porsche tie cans. They sell them for like, you know, what is like a Taikan Turbo S? What is it? 60?

Speaker 1 They sell them like a year later. They do for like 70.
200. They lose so much value.

Speaker 3 Jamie, I lost my crazy value.

Speaker 2 Why is that?

Speaker 1 Because nobody wants to buy a used electric car because the range drops off. So like say if you buy

Speaker 1 a Corvette, right? You buy like a 2000, you can buy a 2017 Corvette, like a ZR-1. They're still really expensive.
Super expensive. ZR-1 a manual from like 2017, it's like

Speaker 1 300 grand right now. Right now.
But yo, think about a better comparison would be think about like your four GT, a 2006. Right.
They're 500 grand minimum now. Right.

Speaker 1 But that's a different because that's like a classic. It's 20 years old.
Sure. But a new car,

Speaker 1 say if you get like a new AMG GT and it's a 2025, you sell it next year, you're not going to lose much money. If you sell like a Ferrari, you'll lose no money.

Speaker 1 Like if you buy a Ferrari today and you sell it in a year and you have a thousand miles on it, you'll make money. Porsche make money.
You'll make money. Porsche is the best.

Speaker 1 But if you have a fucking electric car, like Audis, those e-trons, those are sick. Even Tesla Plaids.
Sick. Tesla Plaids, I can get cheap.

Speaker 1 A friend of mine got one of those and he got like a year-old one for like 70 grand

Speaker 1 and brand new it's like 150 or something like that it's crazy why not just get like a new battery or something well so expensive big problem so expensive before swapping batteries and they still have battery and like for the most part like you're not driving 250 miles if you have a plug at home if you plug it in at home you have a supercharger at your house which i do for my car it's great i just get it home plug it in it's always good to go and it gets like fully charged i think my car gets like 350 miles if you drive like a grandma.

Speaker 1 But for normal day-to-day, you just stick it in there and you never go to the gas station. It's awesome.
See, but fuck all that. If you're not road tripping it, it's like...

Speaker 1 Yeah, as long as you're not road tripping. If you're road tripping it, you got to really map it out, especially if you don't have a Tesla.
Because then you have to find all these other

Speaker 1 super stations. But like my Hummer, I have a 55-gallon diesel tank in the back.
I fill that bitch up maybe once every three weeks. Like it gets good gas mileage.
I can go on long road trips.

Speaker 1 There's nothing there options that aren't Teslas. one is lucid you've seen lucid air

Speaker 1 they make them like super high-end air griffin has one does he really yeah yeah they're very that bitch shut down on us in the parking lot but yeah he has one really we couldn't we couldn't get out it died it was like 100 degrees i was like oh i'm gonna break your car dude and he's like oh out of all the times that this has never happened happens while you're in the car wasn't there a manual

Speaker 3 isn't there a manual release that

Speaker 1 he didn't have that okay yeah we had to wait like 40 minutes isn't there someone have to come and help it out no eventually uh he called and they're like oh just reset It was like resetting your phone.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 Isn't there something about like, you know,

Speaker 2 all the radiation,

Speaker 1 you're in the car and it's like you're surrounded by.

Speaker 1 No, that's a good question. Like EMF, right? Yeah.
It's a good question. Because if your phone...
If it's a real problem?

Speaker 1 If you're not supposed to have your phone by your head, you're not supposed to have... Yeah, I mean, your whole car is your whole big-ass phone.
I don't know. That's why the people.

Speaker 1 It's a real problem.

Speaker 1 According to people RFK to point and many other people don't think that you should have

Speaker 1 earpods in.

Speaker 1 You should have the wired ones only, and even those are not the best thing to have. You should just listen to things like on a Bluetooth speaker.

Speaker 1 But also, the people vandalizing Teslas, there could be a worse car to vandalize because there's cameras fucking everywhere on that thing.

Speaker 1 360. Bro, so many people are going to jail.

Speaker 3 And if you don't have a Tesla, you don't really know that, like, if you're within 20 feet of the car, it's recording it. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Sentry mode.
Yeah. Seven cameras.
It's so wild. Yeah.
Fully HD cameras. See your face.
There's so many guys who gotten busted.

Speaker 2 Have you seen that?

Speaker 2 Have you seen those Tesla mini homes?

Speaker 1 They're never smart shape.

Speaker 3 There was one guy who was rubbing shit. Like he would like grab his ass, like grab his ass cheeks and then like just rub it all over.

Speaker 1 Looks like

Speaker 1 that guy was looking for an excuse to rub shit on things. Yeah, I guess.
He probably goes home and jerks off of his own shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Have you seen those Tesla mini homes?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Oh, you haven't seen them? No. Dude, Tesla has

Speaker 2 tiny homes. They're like trailers, but like super high-tech.

Speaker 1 I saw the Amazon ones. Have you seen those? But not that.

Speaker 2 Tesla's got mini homes. No shit.
Have you seen this, Jamie? The mini homes?

Speaker 1 It's not made by Tesla, though. Oh, it's not a mess.
No, no, it is. No, no, seriously.
I'm looking.

Speaker 2 The one that I've seen, I just saw it a couple days ago.

Speaker 1 It's Tesla. Are you sure it wasn't like an AI-generated thing? No.
No. No, Tesla has solar panels.
Yeah, they have Tesla solar panels for your roof. Tona,

Speaker 1 Tesla mini homes.

Speaker 1 That's not real. That's what it was.
That shit gets Callan, though, Eddie. That's not real? Yeah, it gets Callano.
Yeah, those fucking AI, they get me, man. I asked Elon like five times.

Speaker 1 Are you making a phone? Where do they keep getting these AIs for your headphones?

Speaker 1 There it is.

Speaker 1 That's fake. Let's click on it.
It's from two years ago. It's not real.
Click on it, though. Let's see what it says.
It's not. Dude, I know it's fake.
AI is doing so good. Call us with the phone.

Speaker 1 Call him thought Conor McGregor was in the movie Popeye. It's just like a YouTube video with a fan.
Damn, they got me. Dead serious.
Cal. Dead serious.

Speaker 1 So they show the little house well there's boxable that's no i know about that like that's real right that's not ai oh yeah i mean you could buy a house for 10 grand now if you just like a single dude who has a plot of land just parked that house with solar you you could literally live off the grid in a little bullshit house like that is that what and then you get starlink is that real no it was like a little it was like a it was a pod like a like like an egg it looks like an egg it's ai dog that's pretty they got me good those little tiny houses you could buy like if you were just a dude living by yourself and you're like, I don't need nothing.

Speaker 1 If you're young, it'd be dope. Yeah, man.
They're not expensive. Like,

Speaker 1 somebody leaves you a little plot of land. You got a couple acres or something.

Speaker 3 A one-bedroom house with a 40-car garage.

Speaker 1 Sit on your front porch and say, fuck the world. I own this whole thing.
I own this. No mortgage? Yeah, no mortgage.
$10,000 house, and it's nice. It's like, what do you need? You need a kitchen?

Speaker 1 Do you need a TV? What the fuck do you need? If you're a single guy, you need a bed, you need a TV. unless you're trying to get Mad Pussy.
If you're trying to get Mad Pussy, then you need to get up.

Speaker 1 You need a long

Speaker 1 day.

Speaker 1 That's your fucking lights everywhere. You need a fountain.
All the dudes are like, this is dope. The chick's like, good luck.
That's not a panty dropper. No, no, no.
A tiny house is a no-go.

Speaker 1 No, no, yeah, no. Like, why do you have a tiny house? Like, what do you, what's going on? How much do you have? Can I see your bank account?

Speaker 1 How much do you make?

Speaker 1 Are you going to be able to feed my babies?

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of videos.

Speaker 1 But yeah, there's a bunch of videos from a few days ago that this is all just nonsense. All AI generated.
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 What? That right there? That's what I saw.

Speaker 1 That would be a dope podcast studio to put in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say that that's necessarily fake, but that's not a it's not a house that someone could live in. That's like a couch.
It's a suicide pod, Eddie. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's a little drug den.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'd be dope.

Speaker 2 That's exactly what I saw. And it's like a little five-minute mini documentary commercial.

Speaker 1 And they go deep in it and they got you.

Speaker 1 No, they get you, man. These AI things are nuts, man.
I haven't been fooled yet. Yeah, I've seen AI things with my own voice on them.
I'm like, wow, this is crazy. And I know it's fake.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 2 speaking of fakery, when you had Mel Gibson on your podcast the other day,

Speaker 2 he brought up the shroud of Turin.

Speaker 2 And I always thought that was fake. I was like in the 80s.

Speaker 1 What is that, AI?

Speaker 2 The Shroud, it's like the cloth that Jesus was buried in and left an image of it.

Speaker 2 And in the 80s, like 1988, they did carbon dating on it. And they go, oh, it's fake.

Speaker 1 See that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it literally has the image of Jesus burned into it somehow or another.

Speaker 2 I never looked into it. I just figured it was fake.
But listening to you and Mel Gibson talk about it, I'm like, it's real?

Speaker 1 Is there a... Well, apparently, it's a lot older than they assumed when they did the first testing.
And one of the problems is there's cross-contamination. There's also been repairs to it.

Speaker 1 But they did subsequent testing and they found that it was like 2,000 plus years old.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and the one thing, the one thing is that

Speaker 2 it's the the most studied artifact ever.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 2 Like particle physicists, nuclear engineers, they all studied it. And they, some of them,

Speaker 2 some believe in it, some don't believe in it, but they all agree on one thing. No one knows

Speaker 1 how they did it. Right.
No one knows how they made it. There's no paint, there's no dye.

Speaker 2 So, dude, all this week, dude, all day, I'm just watching documentary after

Speaker 2 podcasts on this shit, and it's fucking mind-blowing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 If it turns out that they can't figure out how anyone could ever do it, like if no one has come up with a theory of how to do that today, that's where it gets really interesting.

Speaker 1 Because it wasn't paint and it wasn't dye, and it wasn't. They all agree on that.
It wasn't burned.

Speaker 2 They all agree it's a mystery. But then the people, the skeptics say, just because we don't know how it was done doesn't make it real,

Speaker 2 which is a good point. But then the other side's like, dude, all these scientists have no idea how they faked it.
It's got to be real.

Speaker 1 So it's all about how you look at it. I think on the side,

Speaker 2 there's a nuclear engineer.

Speaker 2 There's a nuclear engineer. You can go on YouTube.

Speaker 1 His name is Roger, Robert Rucker.

Speaker 2 Watch his breakdown. This guy's a nuclear.
Dude, he's breaking down the photo.

Speaker 2 It's insane because it's a negative image on a non-photographic material.

Speaker 1 It's linen.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 And then it turns out... Like if you look at it with the naked eye, it's white.
And then you see the image of the face. It's kind of like yellow.
You can barely see it.

Speaker 2 but in like 1898 some photographer took a picture of it and then flip and then looked at the negative and then all of a sudden in the negative the whole body appears front and back because he was buried like with a uh you see the images jay he was buried with the the sheet under him and it went around his head

Speaker 1 that's the back of him because he yeah the right one's the back and the left one's the front that's crazy no one knows how they did it no no signs the holes where the wrist would be nailed yeah it's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 That was the thing with Jesus. With me, it's very hard.
It was always very hard to believe in Jesus. I'm like, dude, the resurrection, like, that's a hard one to wrap your brain around, right?

Speaker 2 I could believe that he existed, I could, I could believe that he got crucified. A lot of people got crucified, but the resurrection was always the thing that kept me from really believing in Jesus.

Speaker 1 I'm like, there's no way the resurrection was real. But even if this is real, Eddie, it doesn't mean he was resurrected, right? It just means he was crucified and he was an actual real man.

Speaker 2 No, the thing is, is how the image got on.

Speaker 2 The people that believe that it's real believe that when he was resurrected, some kind of ultraviolet radiation, some kind of burst made that image.

Speaker 2 Because that image has never been on any other shroud.

Speaker 2 People get buried in shrouds all the time.

Speaker 1 There's never an image like that. Pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 And the crazy thing is the blood, there's no image under the blood. So the blood was there first, and then the image is after.

Speaker 2 It's crazy shit.

Speaker 1 Dude, I'm like,

Speaker 2 I went deep down a rabbit all week just watching the skeptics, the scientists, particle physicists.

Speaker 2 They have no idea how the fuck that image got on the front and back, the back of them too.

Speaker 1 It's pretty weird. Did you see the thing?

Speaker 2 It's crazy, dude.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 3 Apparently, there's some structures underneath the pyramids that just fell.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were talking about that the other day. How have they not looked at that before? Well,

Speaker 1 they don't know whether or not that's legit or whether these guys are jumping to conclusions. A lot of people are calling bullshit bullshit and saying they jump to conclusions.

Speaker 1 A lot of people are saying that it really you can't tell from those images, like what they drew in the

Speaker 1 3D image where they drew everything and made a model of it. They're doing a lot of guessing.
So

Speaker 1 they're going to do more testing, though.

Speaker 2 There's definitely something under that.

Speaker 1 Someone starts saying something under there. Something is under there.
Something's under there and it's massive.

Speaker 1 And if these guys are correct, that it goes down two kilometers, like help me explain that. Explain that with any any conventional wisdom.
Aliens. That's more than a mile into the earth.

Speaker 1 That's fucking nuts. Yeah.
Like, what does that mean? Like, who did that? And what was the purpose of it?

Speaker 1 Because there's a guy named Christopher Dunn that thinks that the entire Giza pyramid, the big one, the Great Pyramid, was a power plant. And he has this whole schematic that he mapped out.

Speaker 1 Like, this is how you would generate hydrogen. You would have something underneath the surface,

Speaker 1 underneath the ground, that was causing a vibration, a pounding, and then this reverberation,

Speaker 1 this vibration would go through the entire building because it was all made out of limestone.

Speaker 1 And then they had these channels, these paths that they would fill with chemicals, and they would go into what's called the king's chamber and this porous limestone that would allow the chemicals to leap through, to leach through, and that would create hydrogen.

Speaker 1 God damn. Yeah, so, I mean, I'm butchering it.
I'm sorry, Mr. Dunn.
But if you listen to his take on it, and he's an engineer, he explains why the pathways and everything.

Speaker 1 This is exactly how you would do it if it was some sort of a power plant.

Speaker 1 But whatever it is, it's like, I don't think that it's a tomb.

Speaker 1 I just don't think that makes any sense.

Speaker 2 Remember your bit where you said, I bet people used to be really smart, but the dumb people just outfucked the smart people.

Speaker 1 Penn to one at a staggering pace. Remember that shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Man, I mean, the pyramids for sure go are a mystery. Like, how the fuck do they build those? And now finding out what's underneath them, like, fuck, who knows?

Speaker 2 Go beckli pepley there's all these mis mysterious uh architecture everywhere yeah dude but it's everywhere

Speaker 2 everywhere everywhere every city like these cathedrals like think about power tools were invented in the 1890s and they're talking about these insane cathedrals all over the world carved out of stone

Speaker 1 with no power tools right how the fuck did they build like have you ever seen that one in india there's there's a few of them in india but there's one that's all carved out of stone.

Speaker 1 They didn't bring any rocks there. They don't know where the stone went.

Speaker 1 It's all insanely intricate and carved out of stone and fucking massive.

Speaker 2 And they're everywhere, dude.

Speaker 2 They're in South America, Asia, China.

Speaker 1 Look at that. Look at that.
Bro, they carved that out of solid stone. They might have just been bored as well.
Look how tiny the people are down there. There's not shit to be.

Speaker 1 Do you know how long that would take? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Hundreds of years. They don't have shit.
Look how spectacular the craftsmanship is. Spectacular.
And no one knows how old that is.

Speaker 2 It's like, take a guess. So

Speaker 2 back to your bit.

Speaker 1 People used to might get offended.

Speaker 1 It's probably accurate. Dude.

Speaker 1 Oh, Molly McCann's getting choked. Shit.
She needs a win, bad. Dude, have you heard...

Speaker 1 She's getting choked. Yeah, she's getting choked.

Speaker 3 Well, the hands aren't locked yet.

Speaker 1 She has two-on-one on the supporter.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 She keeps turning. She's got a good grip on that shoulder cap, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, now she's fucked.

Speaker 1 She looks fucked. Now she's fucked up.

Speaker 1 She's out of it. She's out of it.
Oh!

Speaker 3 But it wasn't good that she had her hand underneath the jaw that easily.

Speaker 3 She's only got 40 seconds.

Speaker 1 Whenever she fights, the crowd's just cheering and she's getting beat up. Well, she's so tough.
She's so tough, and she's such a gamer. It's just not enough.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's deep. Oh, that's deep.
That's all. That's it.
That's it. That's it.

Speaker 1 That's it. Yeah.
She's lost, what, four out of five now? Yeah, if that proves to be true and there really are these massive structures underneath the pyramid, they got to change everything.

Speaker 2 There's, dude, there's past civilizations that were super highly advanced. There's got to be.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know what I have a hard time getting into, but

Speaker 1 every now and then I'll dive into it. Giants.

Speaker 2 Giants, too? Giant dudes? Giants. That's another one.

Speaker 1 Who's responsible for moving all that shit? Well, I don't know about that because I think you need a lot more than giants to move those fucking stones.

Speaker 1 You need some kind of crazy technology because giants don't explain the engineering. It doesn't explain the precision that was involved.

Speaker 1 Like whatever they did, they were they were moving 80 ton stones from 500 miles away and through the mountains and there's no roads and no one knows how they did it there's no explanation did your instagram algorithm fuck you up with the the giant ai videos oh yeah i saw those giant guys giant huge

Speaker 1 70-foot dudes carrying giant stones like jacked shredded you know i there's a lot of reports throughout the ages of uh giant human beings you know and it look what's a giant nine feet tall ten feet tall.

Speaker 1 That's a fucking giant. Like a race of nine foot, ten feet tall people.

Speaker 1 And there's all these stories about like bones that were giant bones that got transported to the Smithsonian, but they covered it up. And I assume they don't live long because they're so big.

Speaker 1 So they probably just eventually

Speaker 1 fell off.

Speaker 3 I think it's Robert Wadlow was 8'11.

Speaker 1 He's like on record the tallest. Right.
Maybe he had like a serious disease. Yeah.
Now imagine a foot taller than that guy jacked, but just a different kind of human being.

Speaker 2 Dude, have you heard of the little season? It's in the Bible? They talk about the little season.

Speaker 1 No. I'm going to get a Coke.
Well,

Speaker 2 in the Bible, it talks about...

Speaker 1 You didn't get your Coke, huh? No, I know. I asked you when you were leaving and get a Coke.
Oh,

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Is it you and Wayne?

Speaker 2 But no, I'm good. In the Bible, apparently, you know.

Speaker 2 Your average Christian thinks tribulation is coming, right? Jesus is going to eventually come, right? Tribulation, we're going to be judged, right?

Speaker 2 And then there's going to be a 1,000-year millennial where Jesus returns and rules for 1,000 years, and all the resurrected apostles are going to be kings and they're going to rule this realm that we're in.

Speaker 2 That's what they're tribulation, Jesus returns, a thousand year millennial. This is in the Bible.

Speaker 2 And then after the thousand year and then during those thousand years

Speaker 2 there's a guy named Paul Stobbs I had on my podcast. He told me all about this.
He's on the YouTube understanding conspiracies on YouTube. Paul Stobbs, he's amazing.

Speaker 2 He's talking about, so that's what we're waiting for. Jesus return, he rules for a thousand years.

Speaker 2 He's the king of this earth and Then after that and then while while those thousand years are going on Satan is chained to the lake of fire So there's no Satan.

Speaker 2 It's just Jesus and his apostles ruling and then after the thousand years

Speaker 2 It's called the little satanic season. It's in the Bible too.
I checked the little season where Jesus

Speaker 2 lets Satan go and then Satan rules this earth and he influences all the nations and it's called the little satanic season. And the purpose of that is to test people.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there's a theory. There's a theory that he already ruled for.
He came back in the apostles' lifetime and ruled. They already did that a thousand-year millennial.

Speaker 2 And now we're in the little season right now. Doesn't it seem like Satan?

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Speaker 2 Like influencing all the nations? Doesn't it seem like an evil world?

Speaker 1 Well, it seems like evil has always been a part of the human race. There's always been people committing genocide.
There's always been evil.

Speaker 1 There's always been people that justify murder for money, you know, bombings of fucking apartment buildings.

Speaker 2 I sent them a link, like a two-minute video.

Speaker 2 Jamie, can you play this real quick? This guy explains. It's really, and then you'll see all the structures.
So that explains. So this is a theory.
It's a theory that it explains all these structures.

Speaker 2 They were built by angels.

Speaker 1 Well, you got to wonder when you get back to that Zachariah Sitchin stuff. Because one of the things about this whole Anunnaki thing was that there were giants.

Speaker 1 And the big theories are that the giants bred with human beings, which probably means some sort of genetic engineering, like taking

Speaker 1 existing primates and turning them into human beings. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, if you,

Speaker 1 I mean, those are the most fun. Those are the most fun.

Speaker 1 The idea that we were visited by an alien and an alien race and this alien race is far superior and that they used us as slaves to mine for gold. Those are the most fun theories.

Speaker 2 Did you get that link?

Speaker 1 Yes. Well, it's 22 minutes long.

Speaker 2 No, just play like two minutes.

Speaker 1 I know. I'm trying to find a good spot.

Speaker 2 No, right at the right. It's right.

Speaker 3 What is their mechanism supposed to be of destroying the beginning?

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 2 It shows right like at right at one minute.

Speaker 2 Right at like one minute. You're right.
Like what?

Speaker 1 It's just showing videos, though.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, but there's talking over it. There's a narration over it.

Speaker 1 Okay. So try it now.

Speaker 4 They're like, Paul, why are you doing this? Just stop, stop it.

Speaker 4 It's clearly like, this is too much right now.

Speaker 1 Just stop. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you just kept tummling me it just kept hitting

Speaker 1 i thoroughly loved it um i've talked about it he's about to start a hundred people uh you know everybody i know i'm like

Speaker 1 uh you know there's a theory out there and i then i have no clue what i'm talking about so please

Speaker 2 this video is called the little season theory number one and the youtube channel is understanding conspiracies the little season theory number one it's so good he just said he has no idea what he's talking about though.

Speaker 1 Just go start it right there. This is such an any Bravo subject today to walk me through this.
Here we go.

Speaker 4 Okay, I'll try and cover most of it.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to be able to thoroughly explain every single nuance today in like two hours.

Speaker 4 It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 4 What I'll try my best to do in this talk is give a foundational overview of most of the talking points involved around this theory. And it's a working theory.
Let's bear that in mind.

Speaker 4 We're still figuring things out. There's multiple options for certain sections of this theory where it could have gone.
So I'll try my best to relay as much as I can.

Speaker 4 But the basic premise to work off here is that what most modern Christians are waiting for today is the return of Jesus Christ after the tribulation. And we all have our eyes on the signs.

Speaker 4 We're trying to discern the signs around us. trying to determine who the Antichrist will be, what the mark of the beast will be, all of those things.

Speaker 4 We're kind of looking for them and waiting for those signs to happen, which will be the signs of the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds, okay?

Speaker 4 Which would be tribulation, judgments, and then obviously a millennial reign is what people are waiting for. And people get to live with Christ for a thousand years, as it says in Revelation 20.

Speaker 4 So people are pretty adamant. We're living in that time.
We're living in the time just before tribulation. It's just around the corner.
It's just about to happen.

Speaker 4 Okay, that's what people are pretty adamant where we are. That's the mainstream thought of not only conspiracy Christians, but just mainstream churchianity.
That is the view of modern Christians.

Speaker 4 We are in that time. There have always been other views out there which say, you know, well, you know, it's a spiritual kingdom and we're living in it now, you know, and that goes on forever and ever.

Speaker 4 And there's no physical kingdom and all these type of things. You have amillennialists who believe that type of thing.

Speaker 3 What this theory...

Speaker 4 says kind of blows it all out of the water. It's a completely new take on the situation.
There has been a worldview called Praetorism, which was created a while ago,

Speaker 4 I think about the 1600s, by,

Speaker 4 I think it was, people say it was a Jesuit, it may have been a Jesuit, but this

Speaker 4 theory we have today is not Praetorism, classically so-called. It's kind of something else.
And a lot of people who don't like this idea will attack Praetorism

Speaker 4 and think that's what we're talking about. Most Praetorists, even they believe it's a spiritual kingdom.
And we're not saying that here. This is

Speaker 4 talking about a real, physical, tangible thousand years where Christ reigned on earth.

Speaker 1 This theory posits it's all already happened.

Speaker 4 We're not living in the times just before tribulation. We're living after the thousand-year reign of Christ.
He's already been on earth.

Speaker 4 He has reigned for a thousand years on earth with his resurrected saints. and the elect who survived through tribulation.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't there be a record of that?

Speaker 2 Doesn't that make doesn't it make sense that Christians would document that i mean if there's he goes over that he goes over like why why uh if there was a record and we knew then that this wouldn't be a test that wouldn't be a reason for the little season the little satanic season he let satan out he unchained there's a dude there's a a painting of lucifer and he's standing he looks just like the fucking Statue of Liberty.

Speaker 2 And he's got a chain, like a shackle around his ankle with a broken chain. And it's a famous painting of Lucifer.
And he's like this, right? And then you look at the Statue of Liberty.

Speaker 2 That's not a woman. That's a dude.
And then and it's got a fucking shackle around its

Speaker 1 ankle

Speaker 2 with a broken chain.

Speaker 1 The Statue of Liberty has a shackle around its ankle?

Speaker 2 With a broken chain just like the family.

Speaker 1 Find the painting. No, no, you can find that.

Speaker 2 Just punching Lucifer Statue of Liberty.

Speaker 1 So much fun.

Speaker 1 Why is it? The Statue of Liberty is not a chick. That's fun.
That's so much more fun. That's not a chick.

Speaker 2 That's not a chick.

Speaker 1 That's not a chick. It's a trans dude.

Speaker 1 I thought you had a strong jaw. Strong jaw and some nose.
You know, some boobs. Man boobs.
Look at that.

Speaker 2 That's the painting of Lucifer.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Right? Damn.
And you think that's a chick? Go to the full

Speaker 1 France just controlling us, though.

Speaker 2 Look at the chain. He's got a...

Speaker 1 Damn, Lucifer's dick is gone. He's got the Harvey Weinstein.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Go to the...

Speaker 1 There's the chain. Look at the dick right there.
Boom. Look at that.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 Look at that. That's the foot of the Statue of Liberty.
Broken chain with a shackle.

Speaker 1 But Jesus, I mean, Satan has two arms up in there yeah it's I mean it's basically I don't know I don't know this is just crazy conspiracy the chain is really identical it's basically the Elon Musk my heart goes out to you

Speaker 1 yo yo yo I'm gonna say this

Speaker 1 Jesus

Speaker 2 I'm all in I'm all in with all this

Speaker 2 With the shroud of Turin, I'm all in, man.

Speaker 1 Christ is

Speaker 1 up and conveniently cropped the image to make a false point. Oh, and that image.
Yeah. And that right there.
But they look pretty fucking similar. Eh.

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 1 Two arms, one arm. There's a chick.
There's a dude with an arm up in the arm.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're modeled it off of something. They didn't just create it out of thin air, usually, too.

Speaker 2 You think that's a chick?

Speaker 1 No. No chicks have a big ass body.
It does. The Statue of Liberty, the arm is huge.
Look at that forearm. That's a jack forearm.
Look at the fucking hands.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a dude's hand, dude's arm, dude's face. Dude's nose.
Dude's nose. Yeah.
Statue of Liberty doesn't look like a guy. But it does look like it kind of has boobs.

Speaker 2 And he's holding up

Speaker 1 a torch.

Speaker 2 A torch, Lucifer. That's the god of the bad.

Speaker 1 Is there boobs in the Statue of Liberty? Like legit boobs? So get a full view of the Statue of Liberty. She cheeked up.

Speaker 1 Did they give her some implants later in the day? Thursday afternoon. Did they pump out the copper?

Speaker 1 Did they get under the copper and heat it up? Yeah. Push it out.
She's a little close up, man. I've never seen the boobs.
The thing does look trans now that we look at it. Now that we look at it.

Speaker 1 France is like.

Speaker 1 It could be Tiana Tesla.

Speaker 1 It could be Tiana Tesla right now. Okay, so here's the full image of it.
Yeah, it doesn't look like it has boobs. That does not look like...
Well, the right one looks like a little bit of a tit.

Speaker 1 That looks like a title. It could be gyno, though.
Could be gyno. Could be gyno.
Ancient steroids.

Speaker 1 Chick, man. God damn, Eddie, why you fucked that up for me? I don't know, man.
Pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I've been going down rabbit holes.

Speaker 1 France wanted the Statue of Liberty back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that looks like a chick.

Speaker 1 He said, give it back to us. You guys are bad.

Speaker 1 Look at that.

Speaker 1 And then the lady who's a White House press secretary is like, you're lucky we're not speaking.

Speaker 1 You guys would be speaking German if it wasn't for the United States.

Speaker 1 The press secretary is a savage.

Speaker 3 Every day you wake up, it's like, what? It's like, what?

Speaker 1 But we needed France to beat them in World War I. That's a fact, too.
France lost some insane percentage of their population in World War I.

Speaker 1 I think they lost 25% of their male population, their 18 to 25 or 18 to 30 male population in World War I, and another 25% in World War II.

Speaker 1 They paid heavy. No one paid a heavy heavy price than Russia.
Russia pays for it. No one talks about, they don't teach that in schools.
Russia got fucked.

Speaker 1 They lost 20-plus million. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, Russia's been through so much. Just the amount of people that got starved by Stalin.

Speaker 1 France provided crucial aid to the American colonists during the Revolutionary War, including military support, financial assistance, and naval power, ultimately contributing significantly to the American victory and independence.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they've helped us through everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I think it's stupid that we hate France. I don't get it.
I think it's stupid that we hate Canada, too. I don't get that either.
Canadians get their shit together, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they have terrible government, but

Speaker 1 Canadian people are awesome. Yeah, Canadians are awesome.
Yeah, but the new guy is like more of the same. Oh, really? And then they have to have a vote.

Speaker 1 And when they have a vote, then that Pierre Polive guy. Is he one of Fidel Castro's sons, too, or what? No, he's not.

Speaker 3 When is that vote?

Speaker 1 He's a conservative. They don't have the same thing over here.
Like, it's November 4th. Like, with them, they get to decide when there's going to be a vote.
When they've had it,

Speaker 1 they'll call it in three weeks. Three weeks are going to have a vote.
I don't even know when or how. I don't know how their system works up there.
They got a squirrely system up there.

Speaker 1 And they just keep losing rights left and right. I mean, what they did during the whole trucker convoy thing was...
Wow, nuts. That was crazy.
Wow. Crazy.
Like full-on communist bullshit.

Speaker 1 Top eight people. There's people still in jail.
Well, there's people that lost their bank account that only donated to the truckers. That's wild.
That was crazy. They froze their money.

Speaker 1 That I mean donated.

Speaker 3 That was kind of the start of of like them stopping all the crazy shit.

Speaker 1 Well, it was kind of a lot of people woke up. The protest? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Once the truckers did that and they started shooting men and cats.

Speaker 1 You're fucking with real people.

Speaker 3 And across all of North America, they were like, okay, maybe we should kind of.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 truckers are real dudes. They're like, hold up.
Yeah. Hold up.

Speaker 1 A lot of dudes who woke the fuck up because of that. Thank God.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because they're so polite upside down.

Speaker 1 They're so nice and polite in Canada that it's like

Speaker 1 until they're not.

Speaker 1 But it's easy to kind of like, you know, get them thinking, oh this is the right thing to do hey yeah you know and then the next thing you know have you seen the DMT red laser light thing I've heard about that yo I heard it's nuts have you

Speaker 2 no but I've seen a bunch of videos on it apparently you do if you do dmt and you shoot a red laser I sent Jamie a video if you seen a shoot a red laser you see the matrix you see code yeah and everybody sees the same shit everybody not only that but if you like get above the laser and you look down yes you see layers of code.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
Check this out. Also, Chase Hughes, I just saw a video of him saying he saw it too.
Yeah, this is on Chase Hughes.

Speaker 2 Is he a famous scientist or something?

Speaker 1 No, he was just on the podcast, though. This guy was? Yeah, he's a mind control expert that explains PSYOPS and how.

Speaker 3 I've seen it on Instagram and I heard you and Danny talking about it.

Speaker 2 So you've done it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw it on Instagram and flew Danny to my house right away.

Speaker 1 Like, break this down for people because it got shared amongst my group. and it's like what the

Speaker 1 exactly and that's the only question you're still going to have after you see it it doesn't answer any questions it just invites a lot more yeah nothing else there's code absolutely there is code so the code's not like spinning there it's like it's literally they kind of written out static

Speaker 1 it's static i can move the laser up and down and see all of the letters but it's like three-dimensional so i can get close to the wall i can look down inside of the laser that way and I can look up in the laser that way what's your best guess at explaining that I would be a fool okay I love we can just leave it at that somebody write the code

Speaker 1 that we're projecting they just discovered this

Speaker 1 well I bet some eggheads probably I know the guy who discovered it

Speaker 2 really I don't know him personally but Brandon McCaffron one of my black belts he knows him personally he goes dude if you you ever wanted to do your podcast I could make you know I'm like okay let's hell yeah let's pay attention to this fight it's a great fighter

Speaker 2 that was that was seeing the matrix when you're on dmt with a red laser yeah that how crazy

Speaker 2 any laser it's a like a red laser there's a bunch of videos on it on on youtube

Speaker 2 like a specific laser or whatever you do with a green laser i don't know like any laser i don't know but there's video of a bunch of people that that's just one dude that's like the most uh you know all the other guys are like stoner dudes you know what i mean i wanted to show like this dude yeah i seem to have a little more uh intelligence

Speaker 2 intelligence a little bit. Or

Speaker 2 believer ability, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But everybody sees the same shit. They see the fucking matrix, the numbers, the code.

Speaker 2 Isn't that fucking

Speaker 2 life-changing?

Speaker 1 You saw that Tom Campbell interview that I did, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love that one. That was one of my favorite ones.
That one's nuts.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That one's nuts.
Yeah. When he's explaining to you that consciousness creates reality.

Speaker 2 You know what? I never really took the simulation theory seriously, but

Speaker 2 I've always believed, like, Jesus is a new thing for me. Like, the Shrouder Terran, that, that, I'm all in that with the Shrouder Terran.

Speaker 2 But before that, I was like, I don't know about Jesus, maybe, but I believe in God, and I believe in a creator. Like, whoever created this ship

Speaker 2 is God.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Right? Gunnar Nelson, Kevin Holmes.

Speaker 2 And there must be code on how God created this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that, that, you know, I think science, like the simulation guys, they're finding what God created. Like, who else could put this simulation together, but a God? Who else?

Speaker 1 Here's the craziest theory. You know, AI is about to become sentient, and then they're going to do quantum computers with AI.
What if that's how Jesus comes back? What if Jesus re-emerges?

Speaker 2 And he's on an app. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you'll just talk about this everywhere.

Speaker 1 By that time, it probably wanted to communicate to your fucking head.

Speaker 1 You mean they've already figured out how to put signals into people's heads, put voices in people's heads.

Speaker 1 They can literally have things

Speaker 1 say things to you or you hear voices in your head.

Speaker 1 They have that technology.

Speaker 1 And if quantum computing gets attached to AI and then it figures out how to make better versions of itself, like what does that mean?

Speaker 1 But isn't that similar to like MK Ultra, what we were doing to compromise people?

Speaker 1 Well, that's different. How is it different, though? Because MK Ultra, they were just trying to manipulate people with acid, and they were doing all sorts of different psychedelic drugs and doing it.

Speaker 1 But without them knowing them, right? But also trying to get them to manipulate them so they can get them to do things like try to kill the president or something like that.

Speaker 1 Which they still do. Yeah, they have to still do.
There's no way they stopped doing that.

Speaker 1 And I guarantee, if you could, if there is a conspiracy theory about that kid in Pennsylvania that tried to kill Trump, oh,

Speaker 1 went to the ground. Gunner got him down.

Speaker 3 He had a nice cosota.

Speaker 1 Kevin's last four of his last five. You really put a triangle on him.
Look at this. Kevin is a black belt, but not Gunnar Nelson black belt.
Gunnar Nelson's so legit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If he can get you scrambling on on the ground, Kevin's gonna get it. Look at that.

Speaker 2 Look at that.

Speaker 1 Dude.

Speaker 2 Damn, if he opens his legs,

Speaker 2 he's got to put a grip together around that arm right there. If he put a grip to him,

Speaker 1 around the arm. Oh,

Speaker 1 all he had to do. Oh, my God.
He's hanging on that arm. That can't be good for the shoulder.

Speaker 2 It's over now. He's not going to be able to hold on.
All he had to do was just grip S-grip under the armpit.

Speaker 1 And that was a good thing.

Speaker 3 This is a tiring position, though, for Gunner. He's holding his entire body.

Speaker 1 It's tiring for Kevin, too, though. His legs are gassing out here for sure.

Speaker 1 And now he's out gunner's weird one because he's not active

Speaker 1 you know what i'm saying like he doesn't fight a ton he was lost to his gym oh look at that

Speaker 1 i think joe it might be two but maybe three it's gonna be tough

Speaker 1 yeah he's getting in there yeah gunner's not scared to get in there no he's not scared and adventure

Speaker 1 who gave kevin holland his black belt travis luter travis oh okay yeah he's a texas boy fort warned fight was two years ago two years ago exactly

Speaker 1 how old is he now gunner he's got to be 36. yeah

Speaker 1 he was so good when he was at the top of his game. His Jiu-Jitsu was awful.

Speaker 2 Yeah, considered one of the best jiu-jitsu players.

Speaker 1 He's Jeff Munson. Remember that? I forgot that.
Munson was fucking huge.

Speaker 1 Yeah, MMA-wise, he just never got over that hill like the top contenders.

Speaker 1 He's just not active enough. And his striking is just not at the same level as the elite guys.
Yeah. Although he does have a good style, that sort of karate.
Style. Robert Whitaker type style.

Speaker 1 I think he just got busy. Like, he has his school.
It's like in the side of a fucking mountain. Is it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 In Iceland. He's an interesting dude, man.
Yeah. Super talented.

Speaker 1 Remember, he was part of Connor's camp for a while there. That's right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, shit.
Can opener.

Speaker 1 Old school.

Speaker 1 I've always liked Gunner Nelson.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 Big Thor told me he rolled with Gunner. I know he's rolled with you, Gordon.
He said he was absolutely destroyed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He said he rolled with Gunner, and he couldn't understand it.

Speaker 1 He was like, I understand Gordon because he's so big. He's like, then I rolled with Gunnar Nelson.
He fucked me up, too.

Speaker 3 I watched a video of it the other day.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? It's a video of Gunner.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, Thor just has like, he's like, has no grappling experience.

Speaker 1 Zero. Yeah.
Zero. Who's Thor?

Speaker 1 The strong man, the mountain from Game of Thrones, the giant dude. He's like 6'9.

Speaker 3 You know who's competing in Jiu-Jitsu now? Is that guy, Martins?

Speaker 1 Oh, Martins? Yeah, Martins.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 He did that one. When I rolled with Thor, he was also there.
And he wrestled in high school, so he was a little bit more with it. Better base.

Speaker 3 And he just like, like he's like been training jiu-jitsu and competed. That's cool.
I think he just won his first tournament. Good for him.

Speaker 1 He's made a handful for him. Imagine Brian Shaw started getting into jiu-jitsu.

Speaker 3 I taught him a private when he came here. That was interesting.

Speaker 1 What the fuck, dude? That's like a giant. So, yeah, he's a giant.
Yeah, that's like a legitimate.

Speaker 3 I made him drill Big Den.

Speaker 3 I was like, I'm not touching either one of you.

Speaker 1 That's a good way to get hurt. Look at that.
Oh,

Speaker 1 he lost it. Scrambled.

Speaker 2 It's really greasy. Got slippery.

Speaker 1 Got slippery. Kevin has that X factor.
Oh, nice knee to the body.

Speaker 1 That was a nice knee by Kevin. That hurt.
This pace.

Speaker 1 Oh, he dropped him.

Speaker 2 It's over.

Speaker 1 Six seconds to go.

Speaker 1 He got some. He got some.
Oh, man. He's in trouble.
Two, one.

Speaker 1 And let it go. Oh, shit.
That was a big push. That was a haymaker at the end.
Uh-oh. Gunner's in the back.
Damn. They let it go.
Oh, look at him. He's wobbly.
Super fucked up. He's wobbly.

Speaker 2 They're not going to stop it.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's going to start on the feet. Gunner's in trouble.
Gunner's in trouble. Yeah, he's in trouble.
Good for Kevin. He He needs a win, man.
Yeah, he does. It's been a while.

Speaker 1 He just fought out his last five. He's just so often.
No one's more active than Kevin. But this is 170, finally.

Speaker 2 What's his easy strength?

Speaker 1 Two? Lost four out of his last five. I think he's lost three in a row.
The thing is, he's so much better at 70. I know he doesn't like the weight cut, but it's so much better at 70.

Speaker 1 He's so tall and long and dangerous. Remember, he beat Homeboy, who did the spinning back.
With Joaquin Buster. Yeah, Joaquin Bush.

Speaker 1 He lost two in a row?

Speaker 3 Yeah, three out of four.

Speaker 1 Hamzat, and who else? Oh, four out of five. Oh, Renee DeRitter.
He's four out of five.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 DeRitter versus Bo is going to be interesting.

Speaker 1 Fuck yeah, it is. Bo better fucking wrestle, dude.
I'm going to freak the fuck out. Yeah, but I was so impressed with what that guy did to Holland.

Speaker 1 I was like, that's impressive because he just manhandled him. Yeah.
Manhandled him.

Speaker 3 His grappling is good. He can't.
I train with him. RDR, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Gunner looks like he's still in a little bit of trouble. Yeah, RDR was a two-division champion at one championship.
Like, he's no punk.

Speaker 1 If Bo Nickel gives this bad strike, though, I'm going to freak the fuck out. Here we go.
Kevin Holland's fought seven times since Gunnar Nelson's last fight. Correct.
That's crazy. Oh, uppercut.

Speaker 1 You got him with that uppercut.

Speaker 3 He also had a good grappling.

Speaker 1 Oh, nasty punches to the body by Holland. He also won against Caden won championship.
Gritch is straight grappling. If Gunner can't take Holland.
Who did? Yeah. There we are.
How'd that go?

Speaker 1 He got submitted, I think. If Gunner lost Kevin down, he made us in trouble.

Speaker 3 I didn't see that one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gunner is not able to take Kevin down this round. He's going to be in trouble.

Speaker 1 And also, you got to think Kevin Holland's hungry right now. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you know, because he still wants to be a champion. Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 1 At 70, though, he could do it. He can do it at 70.
He's just got to be super focused and stay at 70. This hopping up and down and getting losses at 85 against DeRitter's like 220.
He's a bigger.

Speaker 1 But also being that active, it's tough to compete with the biggest guy.

Speaker 1 It's just tough to be that active. Right.
And be a top guy.

Speaker 1 guy he fought comms out at 85 yeah man on like a three-hour notice yeah man that was when nate diaz and him were supposed to fight but homzot came in eight pounds heavy and kevin holland stepped up and said i'll take it and homzot just and kevin was supposed to fight uh d-rod remember yep

Speaker 1 which is a great fight Gunner's trying real hard for this takedown, man, burning off a lot of fuel.

Speaker 1 Almost spiraled. Almost has it.
Almost has it. Oh, God.

Speaker 3 Because he He would have kept stepping inside. He would have done it

Speaker 3 if he cut a circle a little bit better.

Speaker 1 He's got to be fatigued right now. You know, two plus minutes into the second and got beat up at the end of the first, which takes a lot out of you.

Speaker 1 That's had his hands lost. Such a big factor.
You know, you think about perceived skills. Oh, come on, Gunner.
You think about perceived skills versus current level after a guy gets rocked.

Speaker 1 You know, you think he's still the same guy that he was early in the fight, but when you get rocked,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, look at Makachev and Olivera. Like, he clipped them and then, like, immediately passed his guard and finished him.
Yep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Or even Ankhalayev and Pereira, second round, he gets rocked. And then he's kind of not the same after that.

Speaker 1 Much shy, yeah. Much more defensive after that.
Forgot the gameplay a little bit, kept him back to the cage. Bro, I saw a good breakdown of Ankalaev's stand-up against Pereira.

Speaker 3 It was very high-level.

Speaker 1 Super impressive. Especially taking away the front hand.

Speaker 1 He's doing this circular motion with his hand and taking away angles.

Speaker 1 Apparently, they run that rematch back. Oh, he got him down.

Speaker 1 Almost. Nice.
They're going to run it back, I'm sure. He has to.
They have to. That's the big fight in that division.
And if Pereira can come in healthy.

Speaker 1 Oh, he got him down. But he's another one.
He's too active. Too active.
But he's smart too because he's 36, 37. He's like, I got to go, man.
I got to make as much money as possible. He's done that.

Speaker 1 He's become an all-time great in three years, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 You give 10-8 first round? Got to be 10-8, right?

Speaker 1 It's hard to say because Gunner had him down for a while. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 2 he had him in an Oma Plot this year.

Speaker 1 He did rock him at the end. Yeah, I count those.
And unfortunately, they don't count.

Speaker 1 But near submissions, I think near submissions are big. I'm with you, Eddie.

Speaker 2 If they got close, it should be 10-8.

Speaker 1 Like Oliveira versus Armand Sorukian.

Speaker 1 I feel like Oliveira almost had him a couple times. Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes. And what?

Speaker 1 He had. What did he have, Manadars?

Speaker 1 A Dars guillotine? Guillotine?

Speaker 2 Cinched up.

Speaker 1 If you have something cinched up, and that's a lot.

Speaker 1 The shame about that is. You're in a triangle.
Yes.

Speaker 1 That fight should have been five rounds. That's five rounds.
Charles probably wins that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so, too. Maybe.
I mean, who knows? Who knows? But he would have a better chance. But if you count near submissions as

Speaker 1 much more points. You get no credit.
You don't get credit like you do if you rock a guy. But it is,

Speaker 1 you're close to finishing a fight. But to that same point, like with Alex Pierre defending 12 takedowns, 12 for 12, you get no fucking credit.
The guy attempted 12 takedowns. You couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 That guy gets no

Speaker 2 who should get credit?

Speaker 1 The guy defend the takedown. No, you don't get credit.

Speaker 2 You get credit for like not getting hit.

Speaker 1 Well, you get a little bit. A little bit.
A little bit. I don't think you should get credit for defense.
The big credit is the submission attempts. Yeah.
That came from.

Speaker 1 You get points for offense, not defense. He's going to it again.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine you get points for escaping an arm bar? Like, that would be retarded.

Speaker 1 That'd be dope.

Speaker 1 See, this is interesting, right? Because Kevin was doing a lot of damage at the end of the first, but a lot of it was on the back.

Speaker 1 And then here you got Gunner takes him down after unsuccessfully taking him down for like three minutes, and he's doing something. He's on top.
Oh, he won this round for us. Right.

Speaker 1 But nothing's happening. Did he? You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You get a takedown. Yeah, that one's good.

Speaker 1 But you know what I'm saying? Like, nothing's happening. He's not getting any damage.

Speaker 2 Kevin didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 True. Yeah, so if in that situation

Speaker 1 nothing happened he took you give it to Gunner for sure 100% Yeah, but it's not as good as like a guy rocking you.

Speaker 2 I know right it's exactly there's a difference. I think I think the whole score system is fucked both those rounds are not 10-9s the second round's a 10-9 first round.
How is that a 10-9?

Speaker 2 He almost knocked him out.

Speaker 1 He should be barely survived. They should be surprised.
He could have stopped it right at the end.

Speaker 2 He got saved by the battle.

Speaker 1 Like Bob. How was that not? Right.
When a guy gets dropped, it's automatically a 10-8. Yes.
Yeah. I I think he's in trouble today.

Speaker 1 I think that's a good move. Yeah.
When a guy gets dropped, but then you got fights like where a guy gets dropped and gets up and drops the other guy.

Speaker 1 When it evens out. Yeah, I guess.
I think even rounds are okay.

Speaker 1 I think they need a more close, more comprehensive scoring system. I think the whole 10-9 is crazy because we just took it from boxing.

Speaker 1 And we're like, okay, that's an established point system for fighting. But you're using it with something that has all these different elements.
Takedown, submission, octagon control.

Speaker 1 There's so many more factors. And then you're looking at the people scoring it.
These judges, half of them don't know what the fuck they're looking at. That's a good fight.
Moreno and Ursig.

Speaker 1 That Ursig guy almost beat Panto.

Speaker 2 We're doing EBI in Mexico City the next day. Oh, yeah.
So that's Saturday, next day, EBI 23, the featherweights with strikes. We're bringing back strikes in EBI.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Hell yeah.
Strikes or

Speaker 1 Jiu-Jit-Itsu like that. Combat Jiu-Jitsu.
So slaps. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was born in EBI. Can you you punch the body?

Speaker 2 You could strike to the body. You could strike anywhere.
Punch.

Speaker 1 Not punch. Strike palms.
Open hand to the body. Yeah.
Boss routine style. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's next Sunday for guys. UFC fight pack.

Speaker 1 Practicing their body strikes. Are they like working on that? Oh, Jesus.
They should.

Speaker 1 Kevin's so dangerous, Nicklan. He's hitting him with hard body shots, man.

Speaker 1 Oh, elbow over the top. Oh, knee.
Good knee.

Speaker 1 Kevin's got to go for broke because he probably won the first round. I think he won the first round for sure.
For sure. Second round, no.

Speaker 1 So this is it. And Kevin needs to win.
He's landing some uppercuts. Oh, Gunner's in deep.
Gunner's in deep. Oh, he's out of it.

Speaker 3 Isn't his hands locked anymore on the buddy?

Speaker 1 He's trying to get out. Oh, he got him.
He's just trying to get out of here. He got him.
He got him. Full mount now.
Full mount. Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Here it is. Kevin's in trouble.
Gunner Nelson, full mount, third round. Grapevine in the legs.

Speaker 3 He rushed in the back taking the first round, though. He should take his time from here.
Yep.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 3 take his feet off the cage.

Speaker 2 The fact that he's not digging for underhooks right now is kind of scary. Well, he should have took his feet off the cage.

Speaker 2 Like, why won't you immediately go for the underhook?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What was your plan in the mount?

Speaker 3 Underhooks and at least take his feet off the cage. That's what got him out.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't be able to do that. You're not supposed to dig your toes in the face of the fish.

Speaker 2 Gordon, if you were in the mount right there, you would immediately grab the underhook and and underjack to like an arm triangle, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, underhook, underhook.

Speaker 3 Well, the first thing is to circle his feet off the cage because that gives him...

Speaker 1 You're saying circle him to the center of the octagon? Well, just so he's facing the octagon.

Speaker 3 Yes. Because the bridge off the cage just gives you immense.

Speaker 1 Totally.

Speaker 2 But besides that,

Speaker 1 underhook. That and underhook.

Speaker 2 Underjack arm triangle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, damn. Look at that.
He's going to knock him out.

Speaker 1 He should really. Knock Jock Ray out from the bottom.
Yep. From guard.

Speaker 2 How about Henzo on Oleg Taro?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. That shit upkick.
That was the first time we saw an effective upkick.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then Jerry Bolander on.

Speaker 3 He's going to pass him here. No.

Speaker 1 Marilla Busamante.

Speaker 2 Or Fabio Giorgell. Oh, he's passing him.

Speaker 1 He's got the back.

Speaker 3 He's got one hook.

Speaker 2 I think there's probably like 10 upskilling.

Speaker 1 Oh, there it is.

Speaker 1 There it is. He's got to get his right knee across to Kevin's left hip.

Speaker 2 He's got to mount him. He's got to pass him.

Speaker 1 He's got to get his left knee across to his left half guard. His right knee across his left hip.
And can he not apply enough pressure in half guard?

Speaker 3 It's hard from half-guard.

Speaker 2 It depends if he has a good lockdown or not. If he had a good lockdown, he would survive.
But he's just got to... Why he's not passing the guard here? I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 It's also hard for him to dismount from here because the cage is in the way.

Speaker 3 Even if he does mountains.

Speaker 2 Here comes the mount. Here it comes.

Speaker 3 Okay, so now he's going to try to either mount him or move inside control. But

Speaker 3 he's kind of wedged in place by the cage.

Speaker 1 He should be able to get it. There it is.

Speaker 2 Here it comes.

Speaker 2 He probably knows what's up. He's just waiting till till

Speaker 2 he just catches his breath.

Speaker 2 Oh, should not take the back.

Speaker 1 The back roll comes out.

Speaker 3 That was nice by Kevin.

Speaker 1 That was really nice. That's why you got to mount.

Speaker 3 Gunner should have switched back to a tight waist when Kevin went to roll out.

Speaker 1 You should break free here. You should break free here and start teeing off on him.

Speaker 3 Gunner held on to the arm triangle too long.

Speaker 2 He should have mounted, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 Like all arm triangles, in my opinion, should be in the mount. Once you start going side control, there's too many escapes.
The escapes are too easy.

Speaker 3 Well, you should have at least set it better for mount. Like, it wasn't set.
Like, you should have mounted him.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 3 Kevin's gonna come at him hard here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is. He's got to.

Speaker 1 She can't get taken down. Oh, another knee.
Another knee.

Speaker 2 Damn, this is gonna be a hard one to score.

Speaker 1 Super hard to score.

Speaker 3 Trying to go for a darse.

Speaker 1 It looks like it. It looked like you thought about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's looking for it for sure.

Speaker 1 Disengage, Kevin. I know, right? Especially now he's got double underneath.

Speaker 1 And he had times to disengage, and he's got an advantage in the striking. Huge advantage.
But also, like, so exhausted at this point in the fight.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's probably trying to rest.

Speaker 1 Total strikes, Kevin, 130. Gunner, 20.

Speaker 1 Gunner's gonna win win it.

Speaker 1 Unless Kevin catches him, three seconds to go.

Speaker 2 So 10-9, 10-9, Gunner, but then 10-8 in the first round. What is that, a draw?

Speaker 1 You do 10-9, Holland, first round. It's going to be a draw.
10-9.

Speaker 1 If they gave him 10-8 for the first round.

Speaker 2 The guy was saved by the bell.

Speaker 1 How do you not give him a 10-8? No, I agree. But

Speaker 1 the judges agree. The judges are goofy.

Speaker 2 Judges are goofy. It all depends.

Speaker 1 It depends.

Speaker 1 I don't think think they hand out 10 eighths enough.

Speaker 2 Do they still have Adelaide Bird? Does she still work?

Speaker 1 I don't know. It's a good question.
She was awesome. She was the best.

Speaker 1 That's a good question. What is this movie? It's a truck commercial.
For what movie? For 40.

Speaker 1 This is a truck commercial. It's a Ram.
Yeah. It's a truck commercial.
Woman in the Yard. No.
It's a movie. Only in Theaters Friday.
Oh, you're looking at something different? Yeah, you're on.

Speaker 1 I was like, that's a truck commercial. Oh, are you looking at like ESPN Plus's different commercials? The new rapper coming out? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, weird. Yeah, I have a...

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have a different commercial right now, too. Oh, how weird.

Speaker 1 So it's different commercials depending upon

Speaker 1 where you look. Yeah, it's weird.
It's both my accounts, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have a hiring zip recruiter ad.

Speaker 1 So I think Jan's next. Yes.

Speaker 1 Jan Olberg next.

Speaker 1 So what's the guess?

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Give us some volume, Jamie. I think Gunner takes it.
Yeah, Gordon has a good point with all the control Gunner had with these judges. Draw.
Yeah. Draw.
No, I think there's a lot of it.

Speaker 1 Could be a draw.

Speaker 2 Either it's a draw or

Speaker 2 Kevin

Speaker 1 wins. Gunner split.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's Gunner.

Speaker 1 Oh, told you. Wow.

Speaker 1 Good for Kevin, man.

Speaker 2 They gave him that third round. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Damage. I don't have it up.

Speaker 1 He did all the damage, even though Gunner had control of him. He did the damage.
Gunner did

Speaker 1 an arm triangle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And he did take him down. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Kevin definitely did more damage to him.

Speaker 3 He almost had his back a couple times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true.

Speaker 2 True. I think it should have been a draw.

Speaker 1 It could have been a draw.

Speaker 3 I mean, Kevin looked surprised when they announced him. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good for Kevin. He needs it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's saying I knew it could go either way.

Speaker 1 Kevin at 170. That's his spot.
Yeah, that's his spot. He's beat some good guys.

Speaker 1 He's got legit championship potential. How about a rematch with him and Joaquim Buckley at 170? That would be crazy.

Speaker 2 You know? Is Joaquim Buckley the guy that did that crazy kick?

Speaker 1 Yeah, bro. He's a monster at 170.
That's the problem. At 170, he's a monster.
He beat the shit out of Colby. He's so motivated, too.

Speaker 1 Colby Colvington? Yeah. Kevin Holland?

Speaker 1 No, Colby. He got his ass whipped by

Speaker 1 Joachim Buckley.

Speaker 2 I forgot about that fight.

Speaker 2 How did that go down? Knockout?

Speaker 1 He just beat the shit out of him. Just beat the monkey.
Stopped the fight. Defend the takedown, just beat the shit out of him.
He beat the shit out of him. He's a fighter.
He beats the show.

Speaker 1 He stopped the fight? Yeah. 170, he's a monster.

Speaker 2 Colby Colvington? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He stopped the fight. Yeah.
Recently or early in his career? He was his ass. A few months ago.

Speaker 2 Damn, I missed that. Move his last fight.

Speaker 1 Joaquim's a real problem at 170. He's super motivated, amazing genetics, super explosive and fast, but like very disciplined.
Gets better every fight. Crazy cardio at 170.

Speaker 1 170. Being that muscle bounce.
That muscle bounce, but it's his work ethic, man. He's got crazy work ethic.
And did you see that video he made for Bilal?

Speaker 1 No. It's like he was explaining, like, you got what I want.
Like, it's this whole thing talking about his life, what he needs, taking care of his grandmother. It was like intense.

Speaker 1 He's like, I'm coming for you, boy.

Speaker 1 It's intense.

Speaker 1 He's a real threat at 170. Big time.

Speaker 1 But I would love to see that. Is she coming back? No, she's done.
She got boobies now. Yeah.
That's the man.

Speaker 1 Remember when he fought Ryan Hall? No one knew who he was. Oh, yeah.
You know, he smashed him. Duck.

Speaker 2 I would say

Speaker 2 that. What would you say, Gordon? Like 80%,

Speaker 2 85% of UFC fighters aren't ready for the the high, high-level leg locks, right? That's a Brian Hall came in and he was just leg locked dudes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, weren't quite ready because MMA fighters aren't really

Speaker 1 training.

Speaker 2 They're not focused on jiu-jitsu

Speaker 2 at a high-level.

Speaker 2 But see, and Ryan Hall was, he ripped through some people with leg locks.

Speaker 1 But then BJ. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Which is crazy. Yeah.
But then he hits Topiria.

Speaker 1 How do you say that? Topiria. Topiria.

Speaker 2 Ilya. That was the first guy.
Like, oh, shit, this guy knows how to defend leg locks. Like, who is he?

Speaker 2 Who's his coach? he's got a

Speaker 2 famous guy illia yes he's been he was working with um

Speaker 2 someone legit uh maybe it was like balance studios or something i don't know but uh that was uh sometimes you're gonna run into guys that you cannot leg lock and when it's all greasy

Speaker 1 but also you get to a certain level where guys can stop your game at leg lots and if you don't have striking you get exposed

Speaker 2 he was well versed in

Speaker 1 Poria. How do you say it again? Tapore.
Taporea. Ryan Hall's had like nine surgeries over the last, like, maybe more.
Didn't, yeah, Josh Waits. He's 1923, is what I looked up.
That's nuts.

Speaker 1 He's not that active. I know he's turned down a lot of matchups, too.
Like, what is he getting surgery on? That's 23,000. He's still having problems, is what it was.
Ryan Hall still fights.

Speaker 1 He's still under contract, but I know he's turned down a bunch of fights. Yeah.
It's probably like, nah, man. 1900.

Speaker 1 I like his style.

Speaker 1 19 underneath. He's throttled anesthesia.
He's put out 19 times. That can't be good for you.
You get put to sleep 19 times. 19 general anesthesia surgeries.

Speaker 1 Some procedures need to be redone due to complications. Jesus Christ.
Holy fuck, man.

Speaker 1 What is his injuries? 21 general anesthesia surgeries since that fight.

Speaker 1 Sorry, 19. There were two prior.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 What happened to him?

Speaker 1 I don't know. They kept having issues.

Speaker 1 So I had 21 general anesthesia surgeries.

Speaker 1 I got fallen on, tore my ACL, had to fix a planter plate, got fallen on again, had to have a tightrope surgery on that one that Pat Mahones and a couple other people have had.

Speaker 1 ACL got infected, had a couple of septic arthritis. Tightrope was actually allergic to the hardware they put in me somewhere, somehow.

Speaker 1 Had to have that redone. It's been interesting, but back on the end of it.
On the back end of it, rather. Wow.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Boy.
Wow. That's a shocking.
I had no idea. That's so many surgeries.
I thought he retired.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. How many surgeries have you had?

Speaker 1 One. Just one?

Speaker 3 Yeah, my LCL. I mean, I've been injured a lot, but just one surgery.

Speaker 2 Was that from a leg lock?

Speaker 1 Eddie Cummings?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 Eddie broke my ankles a bunch of times, but that was when I competed against Joel Rosha. I was going for a leg lock entry, and he was like 270, and he just jumped towards my head.

Speaker 1 What happened to Eddie?

Speaker 3 Dude, I don't know. He just like disappeared one day, and then apparently he was like training, like pretty recently at Henzo's and Unity.

Speaker 3 But he just like stopped training jiu-jitsu forever, got a real job, I think. And then...

Speaker 2 That guy was vicious, man.

Speaker 1 So good. So smart.

Speaker 2 I was standing over him as he ripped through everybody with leg locks.

Speaker 1 I'm like, God damn.

Speaker 2 He was on some other shit. You know what I mean? He was vicious.
And then you hear from

Speaker 2 his training partners that, man, he went hard right in the training room. he went after legs

Speaker 1 he did go hard yeah

Speaker 1 it's weird when guys will get that good and just stop

Speaker 2 when after he retired he still put out a couple like uh videos little inst little short instructionals on instagram and this one he put out for the z-lock that to me is the best leg in my opinion the z-lock the one he showed that's the best one

Speaker 1 it's not a sad story if you want to do something cool they want to do it's kind of dope that he's like fuck it i'm over it if he if he went on to make money he's doing well, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, depends what he's doing.

Speaker 2 What do you think is the best leg lock? One leg lock. You're going to teach your students just one leg lock entry and one

Speaker 2 heel hook. What's it going to be?

Speaker 2 Well, insofar as braking mechanics, or no, like they say they got the braking mechanics down, and just which, where's where your the leg's going to be? Which leg entanglement are you going to choose?

Speaker 2 Which one's the best? Obviously, it's not DOA. It's not outside OSHI.

Speaker 2 And not just regular Ashi either.

Speaker 1 That one's too

Speaker 1 basic.

Speaker 3 Backside 50-50 is pretty good.

Speaker 2 Right when you go, because I hear from Backside 50-50 coming in from Kgard, right? Yeah. I hear, like, from my guys.
I'm not the biggest leg locker, but I pay attention to my guys.

Speaker 2 And they're saying that the entry into Backside 50-50 is awesome, but... You don't really generally get the tap there.
There's going to be some kind of scramble and some kind of swap.

Speaker 3 You can, but the guy can high leg over if you trap the far leg the secondary leg then you can get finishes belly down with it which is why it's a good position but a good guy is always gonna is always gonna limp leg and and strip the grip um which is why i believe that probably the best position um

Speaker 3 in terms of not having the guy come forward and crush you or hit you uh and strong catastrophic braking mechanics is probably uh cross ashigurami your guys' honey hole so that's still the best um double trouble yeah so you feed you feed the one leg across so the legs are split So you have an Achilles lock here, and then you dig for the heel, and then you go in and lock up.

Speaker 1 It's still the best.

Speaker 3 But my highest percentage finish

Speaker 3 is

Speaker 3 that position, but with the leg fed on the outside for the outside heel hook.

Speaker 1 That's like Z-Lock-ish, right? Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because Z-Lock is basically double trouble with the outside heel hook. Correct.

Speaker 2 And instead of

Speaker 2 triangling your legs, stomping on the inside.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you can go foot to foot.

Speaker 2 Is that what you guys call a foot to foot? Yeah. That's huge.

Speaker 2 That's like a game changer right there and that right there just the straight ankle lock is the most powerful straight ankle lock from that position right there with it with it on the outside

Speaker 2 oh no the the secondary leg yeah that straight ankle lock and the aoki yeah

Speaker 2 strong as well how crazy are aokis aokis are a lot like dead orchards where in the what the first time i seen a aoki is it's from shiny aoki it seemed like he was going for just a straight ankle lock but dude i forget his opponent opponent was but his his foot almost slipped out so it was a straight it looked like a straight ankle lock that he almost pulled his foot out, but it got caught and it twisted.

Speaker 1 That gives you the rotation.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
And everyone thought, maybe not everyone, but I thought, oh, that's one of those

Speaker 2 freak things that you don't actually plan for it or set up for it. It just happens.
Sometimes they pull out of ankle locks. Sometimes like...

Speaker 2 an omoplatas, sometimes when they try to pull out their arm and omo plata, it gets caught and they tap in the arm bar. It's not like you set it up.
It's like a freak thing.

Speaker 2 They tried to get out, but it got caught and then they tap.

Speaker 1 So that's what I thought the Aoki was.

Speaker 2 But it turns out, fuck no.

Speaker 2 It seems like the Aoki is top two leg lock finishes in the grappling world today. It's just people get because it's so good to counter with them, correct?

Speaker 3 Yeah, no,

Speaker 3 you get good finishes with Aokis.

Speaker 1 What's anoki?

Speaker 2 It's an ankle lock, but when they slip

Speaker 2 their heel out, it's still like, it's like you're going for an ankle lock and they almost pull out their leg, and then it turns into a heel hook. So it's half ankle lock, half heel hook.

Speaker 1 Huge.

Speaker 2 It's like the most powerful shit right now.

Speaker 3 It's not mechanically as strong as a heel hook, though, because when you go for heel hooks, you're physically bridging your hip into the knee. Yeah.
Whereas with Ayokis, the knee is turned out, so

Speaker 3 you're not bridging into the knee in a way to break it. Yeah.
Whereas with like an inverted heel hook, for example, you have a good strong connection.

Speaker 3 You have a good strong connection, but when you go to bridge, you see like...

Speaker 3 You see how he's not bridging into the hip? Yeah. So with a heel hook, you're bridging directly into the hip.
So it's the full extension of your body into the knee.

Speaker 2 so the upper leg is pinned through the leg position and then your gripping position is what's manipulating the foot and scroll down a little bit Jamie and look at the guy on the bit that one on the right the one you had the big one on the right that now we can't see it on the right that one right there can you blow that up

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 The dude doing the AOK lock, his right leg, the way I think people are calling that a shadow hook or whatever, Silverado, he's a catch wrestler, Brazilian catch wrestler, showed me that when I was a white belt.

Speaker 1 I remember seeing that.

Speaker 2 The straight ankle. Remember, he used to do that.

Speaker 1 He used to do that.

Speaker 2 And I thought, like, ah, this ain't,

Speaker 2 this is nothing. So I always just, I never really fucked with it.

Speaker 1 But now it's back strong.

Speaker 2 Like Helena Crevar is doing this exact thing. This is like her main move.

Speaker 1 Silverado had a lot of Gene LaBelle stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was a catch wrestling thing.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of that.

Speaker 3 This is a great position because...

Speaker 3 like with the guy who's attacking his right leg usually the guy's trying to peel it off the hip yeah so when you peel it off the hip that butterfly hook comes in and then normally you would throw that left leg over.

Speaker 3 So now you can't step over the, you can't disengage the legs as easy.

Speaker 2 And dude putting his right leg there, if he put it traditionally, you'd put it on the hip.

Speaker 1 You could get countered with a hooks or an aoki.

Speaker 2 So that's huge, like a regular ashi. Everyone's like, I got guys that just let dudes put them in ashi so they could take that foot and and it's a whole it's a game changer.

Speaker 3 And also because the right foot is on the inside position, it makes it hard for the guy in defense, the defensive guy, to push forward into you.

Speaker 3 It makes it hard for him to come forward. Because the Ayoki, you have to push into the lock, put your foot deeper to boot it.
But the butterfly hook stops it.

Speaker 3 The butterfly actually stops you from pushing the foot in deeper.

Speaker 2 Yeah. The guy who,

Speaker 2 there was, I don't know, I think the first guy to really, really master it was the Polish guy.

Speaker 1 So what?

Speaker 2 What's his name?

Speaker 2 He armbard Gary Tonin, that guy. What's his name? Matthias Szzinski.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like Shazzynski. that guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, everyone talks about him. I've never trained with him, but apparently he was like, hey, he rips the hand and he's just been breaking everybody's legs.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 2 And he was doing his legs just like that. You know, it was the aoki with that leg entanglement.
We were calling it the Polish aoke.

Speaker 2 You know, and he's a bad motherfucker.

Speaker 3 Well, it's difficult because the butterfly hook doesn't allow you to stack. He doesn't allow you to come forward and push your foot deeper.

Speaker 2 I'd never forget Silverado showing me that as a white belt.

Speaker 1 And I'm thinking, really?

Speaker 2 Ken Shamrock puts his leg up here.

Speaker 1 How would you do that?

Speaker 2 I was like learning shit off Ken Shamrock.

Speaker 2 I got into toe holds as a white belt because Ken Shamrock had this instructional where he's in jeans and no shirt. He's all tanned and yolk.

Speaker 2 He looked like a Chippendales guy and he's with some Japanese guy and he's going over toe hold like standing over a guy's guard and grabbing the foot and doing a toe hold and I'm like, whoa, what is he doing with the foot?

Speaker 2 And I could never get on top of anybody. I was always, always, I pulled, I've taken down one person my whole life, and that was in wrestling.

Speaker 1 I had one wrestling takedown.

Speaker 2 I had one wrestling. I wrestled two years, got one takedown, because I was afraid to break my teeth.
Everyone's missing teeth. I didn't want to shoot.
I go, you shoot, and I'll sprawl.

Speaker 1 I'm like, you shoot, I'll sprawl. I got a good front headline, dog.
I got a good front headline.

Speaker 2 But I can't, I had zero takedowns unless. It's a dude that doesn't wrestle.
Like when I would, I got in a couple street fights here and I was never, I was always a pussy growing up.

Speaker 2 I was never a tough tough guy, but every now and then, you know, I wrestled and I never looked at wrestling as a martial art. I looked at his pussy fighting.
I go, dude, I'm not a fighter.

Speaker 2 No one thinks I'm a fighter. I don't have a reputation to uphold.
But if anybody fucks with me, I'm going to double egg them and just hold them until the principal breaks us off.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I was like, dude, I was grounding and pounding in ninth grade.

Speaker 2 I would take dudes out. I fought this one soccer player.
His name was Cesar. He was talking a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 And I go, dude, he'll probably kick my ass, but he can't stop my takedown because this dude don't wrestle.

Speaker 2 So I'd take him down and I I would just like get side control and like barely punch his stomach and wait for someone to pull me off.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude,

Speaker 1 I survived.

Speaker 2 And then when I saw Hoist fighting UFC 2, I'm like, you could fight on the ground and not be a pussy? That's why I joined Jiu-Jitsu. I'm like, oh my God, this is my shit.

Speaker 2 I thought fighting on the ground was pussy fighting. Like,

Speaker 2 it's accepted and respected. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 That's what got me into Jiu-Jitsu.

Speaker 1 Dude, change the game. Here we go.
Olberg. Here we go.
Olberg, Janbohovich.

Speaker 2 Dude, I'm going to, dude, I scheduled scheduled this. I thought it was going to be at 1,

Speaker 2 and I got to get out of here like in 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 Oh, no worries. Let's see what happens in 10 minutes.
My flight got pushed, Eddie. It's at 8 now.

Speaker 2 Oh, it got pushed? Uh-huh. I got mine is at 7.

Speaker 1 Make sure it's on time, though.

Speaker 1 Bohovich is 42, but it's a Polish 42. That's different genetics, bro.

Speaker 1 Is that older or old school vice versa? So if you're a Polish 42, I think they are. Are you older or are you younger? What do you say?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Those shoulders are maybe better 42.
Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see.
We'll see.

Speaker 1 Look what happened with Yuri. Yuri got his shoulders fixed.
No problem at all. He looked great.
He looked amazing.

Speaker 1 But then Johnny Walker has Johnny Walker and shoulders fixed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's a lot of damage, too. Johnny Walker's been KO'd so many times.

Speaker 1 It's also just such a big jump up in... talent for Ottomberg.

Speaker 1 He beat Ozdemer, but before that, he really hadn't fought anybody. Well, this is is a world champion.

Speaker 1 You find a world champion. And a guy

Speaker 1 who's real determined to get back to the belt. You got to realize, like, he had a draw with Ankalaev, almost won the title there.

Speaker 1 Real close to beating Pereira. Real close fight.
Beat Izzy. You know, he's still a monster, even though he's 42.
Savage. And he wins this one.
He's right there. Hard low kick by Jan.

Speaker 1 He's right there for the title shot. Yes.
Well, he's always the guy that people forget about in this division. One big win over Olberg.
He's right back in the hunt.

Speaker 1 And he would be a logical guy to fight next after Andreev and Pereira. There's a story for either one.
Yeah, both of them. And Klayev majorly because it was a draw, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's fucking dangerous, too. I mean, that power is the last thing to go.
And Jan's got ridiculous power. Remember that rock hold KO? Like, geez.
That was like a murder. Bro, he's a.

Speaker 1 How about the fucking Dominic Reyes one?

Speaker 3 He like ran up to him after he was already down, like with a running start. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And with a second punch. You remember when he kicked Dominic Reyes in the body? You see his whole foot on Reyes' body?

Speaker 1 He's such a hard dude. Oh,

Speaker 1 solid jab. Wolberg definitely has a speed advantage.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 He does, but Bohovich has a massive experience advantage. Massive.
Check that. And with a hard low kick, too.
And he has that Rottweiler head. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Remember when he went shin to shin with Ankhalayev, just fucked his legs up? He's like, let's see who's got the harder shins. Blap

Speaker 1 him and Ankola are just tough fucking humans, man.

Speaker 1 There's so many tough guys in this division. I mean, Yuri would be the champion if it wasn't for Alex.

Speaker 1 There's so many good guys. That Yuri fight with Jamal Hill was crazy.
Rackets, no punk either. Oh, no.
But, you know, Yuri KO'd him, and

Speaker 1 Uncle Iv beat him in a decision in his last fight.

Speaker 1 Jan looks good, though. He doesn't look like he's 42.
He looks like a legit contender.

Speaker 1 It's just so much experience, you know, and he's so good at pacing himself and staying calm.

Speaker 1 And that's only three rounds, too. That's true, but that Olberg's first fight was three rounds as well, you know, the Kennedy fight.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is a big step up, man. Big step up.

Speaker 1 Oh, high kick.

Speaker 1 Oh, they announced Roundtree and Hill. Oh,

Speaker 1 when's that? I'm not sure. Soon.
Ooh, that's exciting. That's a great fight.
That is a great fight. He just went shit to shit with Olberg.

Speaker 1 I bought that Jeep yesterday, and the lady goes, oh, my cousin fights in the UFC and News. I'm like, oh, really? I'm like, who's your cousin? She's all, uh,

Speaker 1 Hill? Jamal Hill. I'm like, oh, fuck yeah.
Badass girl

Speaker 1 april 26th kansas city oh that kansas city car is tasty

Speaker 1 yeah that's a good fight night finally oh

Speaker 1 yan's winning the battle of the low kicks he's checking oldbergs

Speaker 1 you know olberg's not landing is he no

Speaker 1 he's landed a few now oh there's a good one shin to shin

Speaker 1 Nothing's tastier than that Miami card coming up though. Ooh that Miami card is good.
That's a fucking troop. Ooh, that's good.
Yair and Pitbull. Ooh.

Speaker 1 I swear to God, if I have problems with ES Pen Plus, I'm going to lose my shit. And Jon Silva versus Bryce.

Speaker 1 Not Pitbull from Bellator. Yeah, so

Speaker 1 he's with ESC now. Oh, shit.
Yes, with

Speaker 1 Yair Rodriguez. On the main card.
They bumped up the main card. Well, they don't have a picture of him.
That's outrageous.

Speaker 2 Get a picture of the Jair. Bellator wouldn't send it.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Bellator's like, no.
Have them pose.

Speaker 1 Have them pose for a picture. Jesus.
Take a selfie on your fucking cell phone. What the fuck? Take your shirt off.

Speaker 1 Have your girl do it in. Yeah.
Yeah, we'll black out the background.

Speaker 1 Oh, good job by Olberg. I gotta get you.
You're leaving, dog. You're out? Love you, man.
Thank you, man.

Speaker 2 Gordon, great hanging.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 Thank you. See you soon.

Speaker 1 Good to see you, my brother.

Speaker 1 Love you too, man. See ya.

Speaker 1 Did your son play tomorrow, Eddie? Yep. I'll be there, too.
I'll see you on. See you, brother.

Speaker 1 Bro, I love when I run to Eddie at the baseball fields because he's a vet. Like, my kid's only nine, so we've been doing two years, years, but he's been in it for thick.

Speaker 1 He has everything: backpack, water, just the whole tent, the seat. He loves being a dad.
Yeah, we always run each other at the baseball fields. It's awesome to see.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my kiddos met him for the first time, like two weeks ago. Oh, that's crazy.
I was like, that's Uncle Eddie. Like, Uncle, who the fuck's Uncle Eddie? Right there.

Speaker 1 These are boring-ass commercials. Come on.
Sober. Let's go.
Let's go. You see, bare knuckle fighting is going to have hockey fights.
They're going to have fights with skates on. Nice, yeah.

Speaker 1 Bare knuckle boxing with hockey. Yeah.
Skates on. I don't know.
Gimmick. There's some weird shit.
That's a gimmick.

Speaker 3 They have car jiu-jitsu now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen that in Russia. Bro, you know, they offered me and Brian to fight each other in car jiu-jitsu? Brian Callan? Yeah.
Why would they do that to Brian?

Speaker 1 They offered, they're like, they're like, yeah, they go, but they didn't pitch me. They pitched Brian.
They go, it'd be really fun for you and Brendan to do Kariu Jitsu.

Speaker 2 And Brian goes, like, seriously?

Speaker 1 And the guy goes, yeah, would you guys be down to it? Brian's like, no.

Speaker 1 He's like, I'm not going to fucking go against chopping Karji Jitsu. You're 100 pounds bigger than them and a black belt.

Speaker 2 Brian's like, you're going to fuck you, dude, me with a seatbelt.

Speaker 1 That's so ridiculous. Yeah.
It would be funny. You'd be talking to funny while you tie him up.
Yeah, it'd be funny. Oh, here we go.
Round two.

Speaker 1 That first round's hard to score, huh? Can I give it to Jan? I think I give it to Jan.

Speaker 1 Jan looked like he got the best of it.

Speaker 1 Ooh, swing and a miss. How's that shoulder?

Speaker 1 We'll get a better round from Olberg here because, you know, it's new to him. He's fighting a ven at this level.
He looks good.

Speaker 1 He's a fast motherfucker.

Speaker 3 That takedown feint really got a reaction.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it did.

Speaker 1 Great feint.

Speaker 1 But he's not really a wrestler. Fuck no.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Jan's looking for bombs.

Speaker 1 Those lug kicks are going to be a problem if he doesn't start checking them.

Speaker 1 God, remember when Jan fought Izzy?

Speaker 1 What a nightmare matchup. Yeah, just just too big.
Too big. But Izzy also tried to do 205 with no weight gain.
He just tried to

Speaker 1 cut less.

Speaker 1 I don't think he cut anything. I don't think he cut anything.
He just walked in.

Speaker 1 But if they would have gave, like, I mean, granted, you wanted to fight for the title, but if they would have given him, like, Yuri or someone, that'd be a funner matchup. Oh, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 Izzy is fun. Yeah, that's dangerous.
But fucking Yan. Well, Jan walked at 240.
Yuri looks so good in the Jamal Hill fight.

Speaker 1 He's turned a corner. He's a different guy.
He's one of my favorites. Oh, one of my favorites for sure.
Guaranteed fireworks in that guy fights. Oh, he landed that right hand.

Speaker 1 Guaranteed fireworks when Yuri fights. Non-stop action.
Just such a fucking warrior.

Speaker 1 And so dedicated to the way, you know. He's an interesting cat.
Thin for light heavy. Oh.
Big shots there. Jan's starting to land now.

Speaker 1 That, ooh,

Speaker 1 that neither bodies legit.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Olberg favored.
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 It was right off the feint, too. He fainted.
The take down went right to the collar. Right to the tie clinch.

Speaker 1 He's a little lighter on his feet this round.

Speaker 3 He's hitting the legs a lot, too.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. In this round, for sure.
That inside low kick.

Speaker 1 Just slapping though. He's not kicking.

Speaker 1 Beyond leg kicks, it's fucking doing damage. Studding.
But he's scored. I see that one right there.
That was painful. It's changing his position.
Yeah, that was painful. Yeah.
That was a hard one.

Speaker 1 Well, Jan, you know, had a Muay Thai career before MMA. He's a legit Muay Thai fighter.

Speaker 1 Slightly lighter. He was like fighting at 200, I think.

Speaker 1 Dude, you look into Anklaya's background. That motherfucker's never lost in anything.
Well, he lost to Paul Craig. It's true.
I'm saying before he got to EFC, you look at his background.

Speaker 1 It's like, Jesus. And even that fight, he was winning that fight.
He just slept on the triangle and got wrapped up with like, I think it was like two seconds to go or something crazy like that.

Speaker 1 One second to go. That's so brutal.
That's so brutal. Because you know he can hang in for one second.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Especially if you hear the...

Speaker 1 Even if you go to sleep.

Speaker 3 If you hear the claps for 10 seconds,

Speaker 3 it's like, just pass out at that point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it must have been tired. You gotta ride it out, man.
Yeah, it's like chailing Anderson. You're like, what the fuck are you doing? Dominating for four rounds.
I know. That's the craziest.

Speaker 1 That's wild. That's just self-sabotage.
And that's just Anderson coming in with a broken rib. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Oberg definitely seems like he's landing more this round, but the damaging shots are Bohovich. They scored damage number one.

Speaker 1 But, you know, but Oberg is scoring more. Like, those jabs right there.

Speaker 1 Jan's just having a hard time closing the distance

Speaker 1 And this is only round two damn it's been besides that girl fight against Molly it's been all decisions again

Speaker 1 well Molly retired too after that. She did she that makes sense.
Yeah

Speaker 1 There's a certain like skill gap you can't

Speaker 1 you can't bridge

Speaker 1 not enough hours in the day. Yeah, not enough hours in the day, not enough time in your life.
You're older. You're in your late 30s.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know how old she is, but she's in her 30s for sure.

Speaker 1 It's like some of them, they just get to a point. Jalen Turner was crazy because he said when he beat up Bobby Green, like after that, he lost his appetite for fighting.

Speaker 1 That was that one with real late stoppage. That was in Austin.
That was bad. That was a bad one.
So you knew then, right?

Speaker 1 I don't want to hurt anybody anymore. I don't want to do it.
I get it. I mean, he liked Bobby Green too.
They were friends. I get it.
So to put it on your friend like that,

Speaker 1 and then all the unnecessary punches, the referee should have stopped that fight quite a bit.

Speaker 3 That was where he was already out, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was just getting tagged. I don't remember who ref that fight, but that was that was a bad one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's like, he was belly down, right?

Speaker 1 He's just getting fucking just hammered, just smashed. Yeah, Bobby hasn't won a fight since he changed his name to King.
So he's like, fuck that. Call me Bobby now.
He's going back to Bobby. Is he?

Speaker 1 Yeah, for real. He doesn't want to fight.
Yeah, he's like, I'm changing back to Bobby. That's hilarious.
He's 0-3 since you changed to King. That wheel kick.
Wow. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Mauricio Ruffi is dangerous.

Speaker 1 He's like a giant Connor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a game. He really is.
He moves like Connor. He's got that kind of style.

Speaker 1 And that style, like cardio-wise, like in the third round, you're so explosive. You just can't run at that high gear for two rounds.
It's so fast, Twitch-based.

Speaker 1 It's not a good style for longevity unless you're real sparing with your attacks. And you have to have complete control.

Speaker 1 So if a guy mauls you and just comes at you with a lot of of combinations and hits you with a pace. Yeah, you're kind of fucked.
Yeah, they catch up. You get a grappler can avoid the big shots.

Speaker 1 Then in the third round, you're fucked. And obviously that weight class is filled with talent.
There's so much talent there. I was discussing one guy.
I won't say

Speaker 1 who it is. He's coming back to the UFC and his buddy's like...

Speaker 1 He's like, man, what matchup do you think? He's like, we just need to get him an easy matchup for his first one. I'm like, buddy, it's 2025 in the UFC.
There's no cakewalks.

Speaker 1 There used to be cakewalks. There was guys like, thank God they gave me him.
There's really not that.

Speaker 1 With the contender series, it's just full of these young fucking lions that you guys never heard of. Zero fights in the UFC are super fucking dangerous.
That's what's crazy.

Speaker 1 Zero fights, and they come in at a world-class level. And they're like well-rounded at everything.
Especially these motherfuckers from Russia. Yeah.
There's so many Dagestan guys that are coming in.

Speaker 1 And you're like, good lord, they're so dangerous. There's no gimme fights anymore.
No.

Speaker 1 Oberg seems to be out out-pointing him here.

Speaker 1 A little more active. Yeah, like right there.
Definitely still speed advantage.

Speaker 1 And Jan hasn't landed any big shots to the head, like the big one that's going to really change the course of the fight. No, he looks a little slower.

Speaker 1 Well, he's just dealing with a very tall, fast dude. It's going to get weird for Jan.
He loses this one. You're off two years.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 The division of the state it's in. It's tough, man.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll see. There's still three matches.
How fucking crazy is MMA? It's like Alec Volgunovsky, before he lost those two, he was like, there's arguments, the pound for pound number one.

Speaker 1 He was on the like number two, and then three months later, he's not even on the list. Yep.
Neon Edwards, yep, before he lost Bilal, was I think number five pound for pound.

Speaker 1 Now he's not even on the list. Crazy this one, you're kind of fucked.

Speaker 1 MMA's wild, man. Yeah, with another good, strong low-kick.

Speaker 1 But he needs more than that. He needs some headshots.

Speaker 1 He needs to get the judge's attention

Speaker 1 i wonder what the uh live odds are right now oldberg for sure gotta be oldberg right

Speaker 1 just from a volume perspective yeah just active

Speaker 1 he looks like he's gonna spin

Speaker 1 that's close he's a heavily bladed

Speaker 1 Good left hook right here. Olberg's starting to sit down on his bunches now.
Yeah, it's still close. Live odds.
Is it? Interesting. There you go.
Don't screen now. Yeah, 134, 160.

Speaker 1 But still, Olberg's favorite.

Speaker 1 It's just Jan is having a hard time connecting.

Speaker 1 And Olberg's. He's an issue.
He's not slowing down. Olberg's done such a much better job of pacing himself now.

Speaker 1 And obviously, he's in better condition, too. Yes.
And his distance is. Like, look, he's never stopped hopping around.

Speaker 1 It's fucking tough to take two years off, then you jump in with a killer's rank number six, man. It's not easy.

Speaker 1 especially a young dude all hungry beyond still trying to it's like gunner nelson taking two years off and jumping back in it's tough man

Speaker 1 good kick uh sean brady's favored dizzy yeah sean brady's favorite over four and a half rounds is also favored yes interesting yes this card has the potential to be you know if you're looking for knockouts this might not be the card for you

Speaker 1 it'd be tough for brady to stop Leon. Yeah,

Speaker 1 very tough. It's going to be interesting to see how he fares on the feet because Leon's such a technician on the feet.
He's such a sniper. But he's also going to be super wary about the takedown.

Speaker 1 But he's been trying to take people down to kind of like prove a point like he did with Kamaru. Yeah.
I hope he doesn't try to do that with Sean. Bad idea.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a different level. And Brady just, it's just like in the fifth round, you look at that Gilbert fight.
It's like he had more takedowns in the fifth round. Like his cardio is insane.

Speaker 1 yeah he's very fit

Speaker 1 Olberg seems to be walking away from it

Speaker 1 Olberg ain't getting a title shot after this one though no

Speaker 1 but it puts him in the top puts him in the heat yeah top five

Speaker 1 he just hasn't done anything like real spectacular

Speaker 1 Olberg risk the winner of round tree and um

Speaker 1 jamal hill would be fun

Speaker 1 Jan's still pushing though man he's going after him good low-key

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, oh. Oh, he clipped him with that left hand.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jan can't get his range.

Speaker 1 Good fight. Solid fight.

Speaker 1 They're just yelling at each other. Fucking warriors.

Speaker 1 Fucking guys being guys.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just a couple of bros. Just a couple of bros.
Fist fighting shout at each other. Yeah, I think Olberg probably got that decision.
Yeah, slight decision.

Speaker 1 I'm very interested to see how Sean deals with the stand-up.

Speaker 1 You know, because Sean's stand-up has come a long way, but there's levels. Big, big difference.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But then there's a big difference on the feet, too, right? So it's all about who and will, their will, right? Right. Well, if Sean can get him down early, like Bilal did, it would be a big thing.

Speaker 1 And Bilal set the blueprint, constant pressure.

Speaker 1 But I do think you have to take into consideration the fact that that was a 5 a.m. fight, which is just nuts.

Speaker 1 It sucks, but

Speaker 1 you're pros. i know like you just gotta go man how crazy is that like everybody in the audience has been drunk since two in the morning they're all like yeah it's tough

Speaker 1 they're all exhausted they're fucking filled with beer you know

Speaker 1 there's people sleeping they were sleeping yeah they were sleeping it was so they must be so exhausted i can't imagine going to see a fight that's the main event starts at five in the morning i think the main event was like six in the morning yeah that's that's rough it's ridiculous it's terrible why just do it this way just Just have the fights on early.

Speaker 1 That was a pay-per-view, right? Yeah. That's why.
Yeah. But still, have a pay-per-view at 3 in the afternoon.
Who cares? I prefer it. Yeah, who cares?

Speaker 1 It's Saturday. It's Saturday.
People will still buy it. They watch football in the day.
True. Why wouldn't they watch a big fight during the day? Just let them know in advance.
It's 3 p.m. start.

Speaker 1 The only one who complains is Tom Aspinall.

Speaker 1 29, 28.

Speaker 1 Carlos.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep.
Yeah, it's going to get dicey for Jan now. Good decision.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 hard road for him. It's sports, you know.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 two years off, not really a tune-up fight, tough fight.

Speaker 1 There's no tune-up fights.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. The UFC, there's not much they can do for you anymore.
That's what's crazy because boxing, I think, has it right.

Speaker 1 When a guy hasn't been fighting for a while, give him some fucking shake off the dust. Give him a guy you don't know.
Number 30 guy right out of Tijuana. Pop pop.
The UFC doesn't have that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. Got to be ready to go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they don't have managers that set their fighter up for victory either. Like on the undercards, like now you're going to face a brawler.
Now you're going to face a short guy, bobs and weaves.

Speaker 1 Now you're going to face a tall guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the time a guy gets to a championship level in boxing, they've been tried. They've seen tested.
It's very systematic. UFC's not really.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 Did you see the Lamont Roach Javante Davis fight? Yes. Ooh.
I had Lamont Roach, didn't you? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, especially with that knockdown. That's a real knockdown.
Wow. You take a knee.
That's 10-8 round. And Javante was like, I had something in my eye.
I'm like, I don't give a fuck. You took a knee?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just took it. You know the rules? That's the rules.
That's the rules. Dim the rules.
And they didn't have the replay ready, so they didn't look at the replay. That's so corrupt, dude.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a little bit.

Speaker 1 But Dana get involved in it. Might help it.
Perhaps. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Or, you know, you know, can't change a tiger stripes. Well, it's going to, you see their pay structure.
It's also a far way out from getting done because guys aren't a constant.

Speaker 1 Is that pay structure legit, though? Yeah. Was it legit? Yeah.
That's the, I mean, pretty sure it's legit, but that actually helps boxing overall.

Speaker 1 The top dogs aren't going to eat like they are now with $40, $50 million paydays. But the middle guys that can grow boxing, that's what it's going to do.

Speaker 1 Right, but if you want to get the top guys, you're going to have to pay them. Correct.

Speaker 1 On that pay structure, you ain't getting any of the basics yeah you're not they're not they're not up obviously they got canelo to get away from the jake paul fight right like canelo was gonna fight jake paul which would have been crazy wild and then they said no no no no no

Speaker 1 turkey came along and said listen

Speaker 1 open up the fucking case from pulp fiction yeah

Speaker 1 that dude got all the money huh they got so much money they can do whatever they want they could just throw money at the sport and it's good and bad we get the fights you want to see but that's also, you know,

Speaker 1 there's some darkness there. The fights you want to see is what's most important for the fans, and they're putting shit together.
You know, they made Jared Anderson fight Bercoli. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, there's a lot of fights that people didn't want, you know, which is like Jared Anderson. That was another example, like young, undefeated, heavyweight, on his way up.

Speaker 1 And everyone was like, don't take that fight. You're not ready for that fight.
And then they offered him a pile of loot. He's all say less.
And he got beat up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then Bocoli getting stopped by Joseph Parker coming in fat with no no notice at all nothing looked like he was totally out of shape

Speaker 1 something crazy yeah yeah like super short notice yeah crazy crazy fight

Speaker 1 i was looking forward to that fight but bakoli you got to give him a camp like you can't like he's not ready and but joseph parker looks really fucking good right now

Speaker 1 he's like reinvented he's reinvented do you know him at all no he's awesome that's cool yeah

Speaker 1 that dubois guy though holy shit man The way he took out Anthony Joshua.

Speaker 1 Jake wants to fight Anthony Joshua now?

Speaker 1 Said he wants to fight Anthony Joshua in 2026. And the haters online are like, yeah, do it.
Well, they're like, what about now? They're like, what about fight him now?

Speaker 1 He's like, no, I want to wait till 2026. Like, okay.

Speaker 1 Put on weights. Put on all the steroids.
Every steroid they have. I would want to see that.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying I would have to do it.

Speaker 1 Oh, by the way,

Speaker 1 Rollo reached out to me, John Rollo, my boy. And

Speaker 1 him and his buddy Kimo actually own a company he was telling me that sells this blue scorpion shit they're involved with a blue scorpion venom company he said he gave it to matt sarah it really helped him

Speaker 1 so he wants to hook you up frank mere he says on it

Speaker 1 shit yeah

Speaker 1 i'm already hooked up with it he wants to get you something jordan i'll have some all right i'll have him send you some you know i'll take uh quadruple doses like yeah see what happens i'm gonna start slow i'm gonna find out if i get poisoned yeah yeah just

Speaker 1 What the fuck are we doing? We're drinking venom from scorpions. That is weird.
That's weird. He's got the dopest tattoos.
Yeah, his tattoos are good. Brady, that Japanese on the back.

Speaker 1 He's such a fucking gorilla when he gets people to the ground. Like, look at the size of his back.
Like, those muscles in his back. There's muscles that aren't supposed to be there.

Speaker 1 They're like turtle. They're so dense.
It's weird. When you see him walk, it's always so fucking strong.
Oh, yeah. It's all back.
It's all squeeze muscles, you know?

Speaker 1 Are you still fucking with the creatine gummies, Joe? Oh, yeah. I love them.
And do you feel so?

Speaker 1 Because I looked into creatine gummies, and I heard when they bake the gummies, it like takes away the potency of the creatine. Yeah.
So when you think you're getting five milligrams, you're not.

Speaker 1 Oh, interesting. I did not know that.
Yeah. I feel great, though.
But I'm not taking five milligrams. I'm taking like 30.
Yeah, I'm up to 20. I'm taking like 10 gummies at a time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wonder. I wonder.
I'll try. I'll try like regular creatine to see if I can.
Yeah, see if you know the difference.

Speaker 1 Because one of the things that's really big is if I have a night where I don't get any sleep, that's a big factor.

Speaker 1 And then there's been studies done on improving cognitive performance when you're sleep deprived with creatine. Like no, no loss in cognitive performance.
That's wild. That's wild.

Speaker 1 It's like one of the only things that I could even think of. Because even caffeine, like you're awake, but you're still out of it.
You're still out of it. It's a little goofy.

Speaker 1 No, that methylene blue and creatine is, that's all I do, dog. and then scorpion venom scorpion venom well scorpion venom every peptide in the book name a peptide on there

Speaker 1 feel great

Speaker 1 well dude you're crazy strong right now that thing that you did where

Speaker 1 you were uh holding what was the amount of weight you were lifting what was that deadlift 315 for

Speaker 1 where you guys were holding it for who could hold the longest is me thor and my boy uh hooper who's also a strong man

Speaker 1 and how much time did those guys hold it for uh i think it was like 47 seconds, and then Thor was like 58 seconds. And what'd you get? A minute, something.
That's nuts. Nuts.

Speaker 1 That's nuts that you're technically stronger than the mountain. That them holding fucking.
Yeah. That's bananas, dude.
Wow. That's crazy strong.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You must feel like a fucking beast right now. Yeah, pretty beastie.

Speaker 1 I was like, ready to fight that guy on the plane. I'm like, what'd you say?

Speaker 1 That guy. I'm going to use

Speaker 1 something. I'm so silly.
Oh, so silly.

Speaker 3 Dude, I did a lift with with Mitchell Hooper and Flex Lewis

Speaker 3 and Dragon Slayer in

Speaker 3 Vegas and I was like

Speaker 3 in a camp for something like one of the strongest I'd ever been and it was just like a complete embarrassment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mitchell's

Speaker 1 Mitchell's a special guy man because he's one of the strongmen and he has a personality like he's such a good dude and he's not like that big no he's not like preposterous

Speaker 1 I was just sitting down eating food and they asked me to do it I didn't want to do it

Speaker 1 how much does that guy have a fighter's nose yeah his nose that nose is flattened and twisted and torqued to the side like when he's looking at you head-on it's like his nose is taking a hard right

Speaker 1 yeah I want to challenge those guys to 225 that's my shit That's why I wanted to challenge him to do it. Hold 225? Bench press 225.
Oh, as many times as Parker.

Speaker 1 I asked Thor and he he told me his record. I was like, I beat that a while ago.
And he's like, let's do it right now. I'm like, right now, like, we're in the middle of photo shoot.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I ain't doing it right now. I was like, let's wait to after, but we'll do 225, 315, 225 and see who can do the most.
And we'll just combine it. What's his record of 225?

Speaker 1 I think he said like 30 something. What can you do? 40.

Speaker 1 Really? At 225? That's so crazy.

Speaker 3 That's fucking nuts.

Speaker 2 That's so crazy.

Speaker 1 I'm strong as ever.

Speaker 3 I was like 225. I weighed like 225 and I did 27.

Speaker 1 That's impressive.

Speaker 1 Oh, Christ. That's

Speaker 1 so crazy. Every Monday, Wednesday, I do 225.
I usually get at least 20-something. The first time I do 315 for 5, and I do 225 for again, 20-something.
So I go bam, bam, bam. Every Monday, Wednesday.

Speaker 1 But when you max out, you can get to 40. Yeah.
If I do just one, I can do 40.

Speaker 1 That's so nuts.

Speaker 3 It's probably almost a 500-pound bench press.

Speaker 1 Pretty close.

Speaker 1 But it's all I train. It's all I like to do against my workout.

Speaker 1 Just bench? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Almost such a meathead these days. It's bench, deadlift, and pull-ups.
That's all I do.

Speaker 1 I'm in the gym for an hour.

Speaker 1 I usually do like five sets of 20, but like good 20 pull-ups. Straight arm.
Straight arm. Like proper pull-ups.
For a big guy like me, you weigh like 250.

Speaker 1 Like 240-something. Jesus Christ.
That's a lot of weight. I'm so fucking strong right now.
That's nuts, dude. Science is amazing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wish I was as strong. It's the scorpion venom.
It must be. Look at Leon Edwards.
He looks hyped.

Speaker 1 here we go

Speaker 1 it's a proper time for leon too right now you know

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 here we go

Speaker 1 well he probably wants revenge after that balal fight you know that was a bad fight for him That was a tough night. He just didn't seem into it either, right? Like something was off.

Speaker 1 Well, it's fucking five o'clock in the morning. True.
I mean, how, how?

Speaker 1 But how can you fight at your best when you're up all night? But also, he's the champ. Like, why wouldn't you set up so the champs in ideal conditions? I keep like, I get it.

Speaker 1 If Bilal was a champ coming over there, you're like, he'll fight in London, but it has to be at 5 a.m. Right.
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 When you're the champ in your hometown, why the fuck we don't have 5 a.m.? I don't know. The whole thing is crazy.

Speaker 1 Just the idea of getting people to fight at that time. But there's also a lot of X factors we don't know behind the scenes.
Like, UFC's like, first of all, TV right deal.

Speaker 1 Only time we could do it with the broadcast. But how's that? Only time we get the arena.
Who knows? TSPN Plus. They could just always have it on anytime.

Speaker 1 But it can't be that easy where the UFC just decides. I bet there's some other X factors that go on.
It has to be pay-per-view buys in America are bigger than everywhere else. It has to be that.

Speaker 1 And it has to be the people are used to buying it at 7 o'clock at night. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It has to be. That's the only thing that makes sense.
But it's even 7 o'clock at night. That means, you know, when you're on the West Coast, like the main card doesn't start until 7 p.m.

Speaker 1 On the East Coast, it's 10 p.m. 10.
Tough. 10's late.
Super late. yeah main event it's not on until like 1 30 sometimes

Speaker 1 yeah because sometimes it's a four hour card yeah

Speaker 1 here we go Leon Rocky Edwards how old's Leon now 35 yeah has to be 34 35 Jamie how old's Leon losing his hair in the back he's been losing his hair anyway he should shave that shit yeah

Speaker 1 33 33 wow okay still in his prime 32 and 33

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 3 See Bruce Buffer's suit tonight. Well, he's looking fucking snazzy.

Speaker 3 Wait, so you see this one.

Speaker 1 This is a fucking Bruce has the best suits. He must have a warehouse filled with them, too, because he has a new one for everybody.
Yeah, he's a sponsor.

Speaker 1 Look at this thing. Ah, look at that thing.
Oh, fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 Who's better than that guy? Can you imagine UFC without Bruce Buffer? Nope. Like, what the fuck we got? When you have a main card, I want to see his head looking like a grape.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When he's screaming,

Speaker 1 that's how he's going going to stroke out one day. He's going to be like 80 years old someday.
That's the proper way to go, too. Fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 On his shield. Fuck yeah.
Cards go fly in the air. Just a slight delay and they just wheel him off.
The whole audience gives it like a fucking 10 count. That'd be sick, dude.

Speaker 3 ADCC 2022, he had like another event that he had to do. And like ADCC, like the scheduling wasn't perfect, so he was a little bit late.
And I was trying to convince Joe to go out.

Speaker 3 I'm like, dude, just announce me. It'll be fine.

Speaker 1 I've never announced anybody in a fight i've only done it at weigh-ins

Speaker 1 i'd be terrified to fuck someone's name up that's not my cup of tea well he fucks

Speaker 1 when he fucks up

Speaker 1 i know that's your only job exactly some of those names are fucking hard just like the my biggest anxiety at the ufc is getting the names right at the weigh-ins because like some of them you know like those undercards when it's like a dagger standing fighter we're not familiar with it oh yeah it's not happening and i have to have the the people in the back, they say it to me in my ear.

Speaker 1 I'm like, say it again. And then I write it out phonetically, like, ye wanshki.
Yeah, bro. Like, you have these weird names.
You have to like spell it out the way it sounds.

Speaker 1 It's even like there's like C's and Z's in there that don't make any sense. Like, what's that doing there? What's this fucking silent X?

Speaker 1 Kudos to you. Like, even GFL or Game Bread, like, you want to go in the Octagon or the cage and interview the fucking have to say their name? Like, it's probably not my cup of tea, man.

Speaker 1 let me look at the roster here we go i'm pumped for this one here we fucking go yeah it's a great fight and leon in london he's gonna be fired up you would hope fuck yeah how could he not be the whole audience is gonna be for him headshot dead look at me now

Speaker 2 look at me now

Speaker 1 oh what a speech that was

Speaker 1 That was one of the greatest moments ever. That head kick in the fifth round.
the fight he's losing. And John Anick with the perfect call.
Like John Annick said, that is not the cloth.

Speaker 1 Like he could quit right now, but that is not the cloth from which he was cut.

Speaker 1 Boom!

Speaker 1 Head kick. And his coach was like, come on, dude.
Come on, Rocky.

Speaker 2 Don't let him bully your son. Fuck, dude.

Speaker 1 Don't let him bully you. Wild.

Speaker 1 You ever heard it with the Rocky music? Dude.

Speaker 1 If you're ever feeling like you don't want to work out, listen to that. Do that, yeah.
Woo!

Speaker 1 You get fired up. Here we go.

Speaker 1 Sean Brady has so many tattoos. Yeah, he's got no room left.

Speaker 3 Dude, Sean looks way stronger.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's going to be physically stronger. Leon's going to be in for a surprise because he's like, yo, he's so short.

Speaker 1 If that happens, but I mean, you got to close that distance of danger with this fucking. It's also tough on Leon because remember, he's supposed to fight JDM, a straight striker.

Speaker 1 He was supposed to fight Jack. And then he switched it.
Well, they could give him some time, right? How much time do they give him before they switched it? Four weeks? That's it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is different. That's tough.

Speaker 3 Again, in the Bilal fight with Sean, did he get him?

Speaker 1 He got beat up. He just got beat up.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Couldn't get him down. Bilal just beat the brakes off him.
Just defend the takedown and fucked his face up. Sean looking to put a lot of pressure on him, just like Bilal did.

Speaker 1 I mean, Bilal really gave the game plan. Uh-huh.
Oh, good killing. Because you're setting up Leon.

Speaker 1 Especially when you're Orthodox and you're fighting Leon and he's got that powerful left kick that's opened up. And he has a breach advantage.
And he gets that kick to the body a few times.

Speaker 1 You're not the same. Left hand of the body.

Speaker 1 And look, he's got his distance down. He's got his distance down.
This is that Philly fade. Yeah.
This is

Speaker 1 the difference is the management of the striking distance. Like Leon is so good at that.
Yeah, Brady has to be super careful in here. Yeah, because all

Speaker 1 right there. Fuck, dude.
The counters, they're so crisp. And they're so, there's no fat in them, no wasted movement.
Straight down the pipe.

Speaker 1 If your Brady can't go for the the takedown too early, because that's what Leon's expecting. He's got to open something up.

Speaker 1 But he can't stay on the outside. You know what the difference is? Bilal got his respect on the feet and then started laying the takedowns, if you remember.

Speaker 1 Sean just landed a left hook there, and now they're in a clinch. Because it's going to be tough to beat Leon if you're just straight grappling.

Speaker 1 This is interesting that Leon's choosing to clinch with him. Nice knee to the body by Leon.

Speaker 1 Leon's good recovery.

Speaker 1 He is, man. I was surprised when he took Kamaru down.
Like, his grappling is no fucking joke.

Speaker 1 And remember, in the last round, he got on top of Bilal and was smashing him with elbows. Remember that? Yep.
Cut him open. Yep.
Just too little, too late.

Speaker 1 But if you remember that Balafi, I've watched it a few times. Bilal was landing like a motherfucker on the feet.
Yes. And constant pressure.
A lot of pressure, constant.

Speaker 1 Got his respect on the feet, and then it opened up the takedown. Sean's already cut.
Yeesh. Cut on the left eye.

Speaker 1 It's just interesting that Leon is allowing the clinch. I'm surprised.

Speaker 3 Well, he's stuck in that underhook pretty good with that thigh pry.

Speaker 1 I just would think that if

Speaker 1 it's a nice combination. That's what you got to do.
You got to earn the respect, and then the takedown will be there. Yeah.
Leon's too good. His takedown offense is too good just to shoot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a nice combination by Sean.

Speaker 1 And this is five rounds, son. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 another good combination by Sean.

Speaker 1 They usually always have Patty on these London cards, but he's on that Miami card. Same for Miami.
Bro, that's a crazy fight. Him and Chandler.
So interesting. That should be bananas.

Speaker 1 I love Patty.

Speaker 1 I love Chandler, too. I'm surprised at how big Patty is.
Like, when he fought Bobby Green, I was like, he's massive, dude. He's so big for 55.

Speaker 1 The UFC brought him up right. They brought him up the right way.
Oh, Leon caught him a left hand there. Yeah, he did.

Speaker 3 Leon's making it hard in the clinch.

Speaker 3 He's putting that hand super deep in the thigh, so Brady's underhook doesn't really have the ability to do anything.

Speaker 1 And those knees to the body are nice. There's a nice straight left.
Oh.

Speaker 3 Like, Brady's got to get him in the clinch and get the underhook and immediately move him around with it. Otherwise, he's not going to make anything happen with it.

Speaker 1 And so far, no attempt at all at shooting.

Speaker 1 Like, even in these positions, he's not.

Speaker 1 Okay, now he is.

Speaker 1 This is where strength is going to be the difference.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's see if he can do something here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because this strength is fucking banana. Beastly.
Yes. Look at the back on that motherfucker.
I mean, Jesus Christ. It's like he's got a tumor.

Speaker 1 And what is he? He's like 5'7 ⁇ ? 5'10?

Speaker 1 No. Yeah, he's 5'10? Yeah.
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 I think he's 5'10.

Speaker 3 Leon is 6'2 ⁇ .

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What does Sean walk around at? He's gotta be 200 plus. Yeah, he's a big fucking guy.
I'm just listed at 5'9.

Speaker 1 Really? It said 5'10 in the. Leon's 6'0.
No. That's a UFC 5'10.
Leon's taller than that. I would do Sean Brady.

Speaker 3 It definitely said 6'2 for Leon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's 6'3. I would do Sean Brady in person.
It's 5'8 ⁇ , 5'7 ⁇ . 6'4 in my basketball programs, too.

Speaker 3 Nice.

Speaker 1 That's definitely not. Here it goes.
Takedown. Here we go.
He's flotting. No time, though.
Very little time. Very little time.
But at least he's runs on the round, though, doesn't he? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Depends. If you can get off some shots, it's definitely.
It'd be the most action, really. And he landed on the feet a little more.

Speaker 1 That's probably one round for Brady.

Speaker 1 Man, I would like to see that takedown landed early to see him set that up. But at least we got

Speaker 1 a takedown by Brady

Speaker 1 early, too.

Speaker 1 Let's see. Three to go.

Speaker 1 Don't, don't, don't.

Speaker 1 What commercials are you getting, Jamie?

Speaker 3 I have the same zip recruiter commercial. I keep showing to me.

Speaker 1 Oh, this isn't a Zip Recruiter. This is like some

Speaker 1 power whacker, weed whacker,

Speaker 1 lawn

Speaker 1 fucking

Speaker 1 equipment. You never see any good car commercials anymore.
There's nothing dope out there. A good commercial? Yeah, for like cars.
Look at them breathing heavy, man.

Speaker 3 Dude, they used to have commercials of like Fords carrying like Chevys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was like mountains. Yeah.
Like strapped to the mouth. They're like talking shit.
Yeah. You don't really see it anymore.

Speaker 1 They got all friendly.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 that was a good combination. Three-piece soda there.

Speaker 1 Oh, it was a trip. Yeah, nice.

Speaker 1 That's the adjustments he's going to try to make.

Speaker 3 Nice to see.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 he's going down. Nice.
Oh, immediately. Wow, that was dope.

Speaker 3 That's nice.

Speaker 1 Good on Leon.

Speaker 3 Can suck him back here. Can suck him back and pull him

Speaker 3 between his knees.

Speaker 1 This is off the cage. Good sign that he can get this clinch early in the second, like this.

Speaker 1 That was a great takedown.

Speaker 1 He drags him down. Interesting.

Speaker 3 Interesting. Don't take him to a hip now.

Speaker 1 Nice job by Brady. Nice.
That was dirty.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 3 Good transition.

Speaker 1 Heavy top pressure.

Speaker 3 Needs a tight waist, needs a strong tight waist.

Speaker 1 Leon's in trouble. He's got the back.
Yep.

Speaker 1 He's got his whole fucking legs tatted, front and back. Everything.
God damn. His whole output.

Speaker 3 He should be attacking the neck with his right hand so he could put the second hook in. He needs to control.
There you go.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of time too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 that's more than two inches for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well one of them could have no shoes on too though.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, I mean I mean 5'10 to 6'2 is 4 inches.

Speaker 1 Got the back.

Speaker 1 But even even on the ground behind the wall, Leon lands. He survives down there.
He's tough to put away. He's landing some hard shot.

Speaker 3 Well, Leon's doing a good job of stopping him from locking the body triangle.

Speaker 1 Here he's got it.

Speaker 3 He's got it, but now he's got the outside triangle. So now this is going to be an issue.

Speaker 1 No, he's in trouble.

Speaker 3 Leon keeps trying to turn belly down. Sean should just take him belly down and hit him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's also such a brutal thing on your spine, belly down with that body triangle. It's exhausting.

Speaker 1 Again, three minutes of this.

Speaker 3 There you go. Take him belly down and hit him.

Speaker 1 There he is. Go.

Speaker 1 He's going to let him go.

Speaker 3 or come up to mountain hit him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Leon keeps trying to go belly down, which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 Oh, these are hard shots.

Speaker 3 I mean, he can go for a rolling escape, but

Speaker 1 when you're a strong dude like that, you can land some powerful strikes from a short distance like this. Like, these are not fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 170 is going to be interesting, though, because Shopcott's out with injury. Is he? Yeah.
What happened?

Speaker 1 I forget exactly what it was, but he's not coming back soon, soon. Oh, you have to Elchev.
You have Balal.

Speaker 1 And then Brady with a win over fucking

Speaker 1 contender. Big round right here.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 If these guys could just figure out how to trap hands from the back, they'd be so much more effective.

Speaker 1 So easy for clubs on. Oh, look at this.
Look at this.

Speaker 3 He's going to get up. He's going to at least get up to Turtle.

Speaker 1 Maybe not.

Speaker 3 Oh, I mean, that was just Leon's. Leon could have got up easy for him.

Speaker 1 He should have kept going. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because Brady's left knee wasn't controlling leon's right hip so he could have there's nothing stopping him from going belly down from there

Speaker 1 he's gonna try and he just he just gave up yeah he's just gave up on more

Speaker 1 yeah he's gonna look for a kimora he's looking for that hand here it goes here it goes here it goes

Speaker 3 and his legs are open

Speaker 1 you're allowed to grab your shorts isn't that kind of crazy yeah i know isn't that weird

Speaker 1 That's the only reason to have shorts.

Speaker 1 Tights are so much better because they can't grab you. Way better.

Speaker 3 Leon should be inserting a butterfly hook here and looking to off-balance him out of that Kimura.

Speaker 1 He's still got time. He's still got time.

Speaker 1 He has a minute left.

Speaker 3 Brady should be using it to pass.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 3 Like, play a dilemma between the Kimura and the pass.

Speaker 1 That way he can do damage. He wants to lock it up.
Here it is. There it goes.

Speaker 1 Does he have to pass here, Gore? Oh. He lost it.

Speaker 3 But now I gave him an underhook. So now he should go back to a cross face.

Speaker 1 There he goes.

Speaker 3 But he gave up the underhook.

Speaker 1 Now he's in mountain. Mount.

Speaker 1 Full back.

Speaker 3 Now he should flatten him out.

Speaker 1 Flatten out and punch.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Unless he gives you the neck. This is big.
This is big. But he's eating his ass up.
He's chewing him up on the ground. Yeah, he's fucking.
This is the thing, man.

Speaker 1 People they underestimate how fucking powerful this guy is on the ground and how good. And he can do this for five rounds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Leon's in trouble. Yeah, he is.
He's in trouble.

Speaker 3 Well, it's actually worse now because now Leon's actually carrying his body body weight.

Speaker 3 The first half of the round,

Speaker 3 he wasn't carrying Sean's body weight.

Speaker 3 Now

Speaker 3 this is more exhausting than having your back taken.

Speaker 1 Benny's just getting brutalized the whole round. The whole round exhausted.
And he came into that round breathing heavy. And now he's just gotten brutalized for the entire second round.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Brady is just a good one. He's going to be a lot more tired going into the third.
Brady is a real contender. Real contender, kids.
To do that to Leon Edwards is fucking huge.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that lost the balal. Like, everyone writes these guys off.
I'm like, nah, it's the best thing you could have in these guys. Where's his guy?

Speaker 1 Don't let him bully you around. The older guy.
Where is he?

Speaker 1 Is he back there? Or did he fire him? No.

Speaker 1 No way. Maybe that guy's busy.
Taught him yelling at me.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine? No way. Oh, there he is.
There he is. There he is.
Yeah. He's the man.
Is that him? No.

Speaker 1 That's him in it in the back right.

Speaker 1 Not looking great for Leon. But Leon's ass, he'll pull it out, though.

Speaker 1 He'll surprise you. He's pulled things out before, though, that's for damn sure.
The Kamaru Usman fight. He just doesn't seem excited to be in there.
Well, he got mauled.

Speaker 1 I mean, he got mauled at Brown. Even before that.
Come on, buddy.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's excited. I think he's fighting a fucking animal, man.

Speaker 1 You underestimate this guy and say he's too little, and then you get in there with him. You're like, oh, Jesus.
Yeah. He's a baby gorilla.
Nice kick to the body. He's got a little kicks and shit now.

Speaker 1 Another nice kick to the body.

Speaker 1 That's the thing about that South Paul Orthodox stance. It just opens up that power kick from the outside on both guys.
Oh, nice uppercut by Leon. That was bad by Brady.
Bad entry. Oh, another one.

Speaker 1 Another one. Good shot.

Speaker 1 He hurt him. He hurt him with that one.

Speaker 1 That was a big shot. Clipped him.
There's a shot again. Oh, stuff.
Nice.

Speaker 1 Nice by Leon.

Speaker 3 That was a long-range shot, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm a little desperado there. I think he got hurt.
He got clipped, right? And I think he realized, like, hey, this is not a good spot for me to be in.

Speaker 1 Ooh, excitement. Oh, look at Leon shoots.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Bloody.
That doesn't make sense. Wow.
Horrible idea.

Speaker 3 Yeah, look at this. Go behind.

Speaker 1 Drag him down. Nice.

Speaker 3 He's got to block the elbow if he's going to go behind though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 Go for a drag. Level of grappling.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, guillotine.

Speaker 1 Nope. He's just using it.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You got him on top.

Speaker 1 Back, same position. Yeah, Leon.
You're doing so well and you shot

Speaker 1 crazy. Terrible idea.
I mean, just trying to prove a point, I think.

Speaker 3 If Brady pushes that knee down, I'll be in three-quarter mount.

Speaker 1 Wow, full mount. Sweet.

Speaker 1 Three minutes to go. Three and a half minutes.
This is terrible. Awful.

Speaker 1 Especially after that second round where you just dominated him on the ground. The level of grappling is just so significant.

Speaker 1 There's such a difference.

Speaker 1 And physical strength. I mean, Sean is just such a fucking ape.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 Oh, these are bad. These are bad.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Those are huge shots.

Speaker 3 Should break him to a hip. Bertie should be pulling him down to a hip.

Speaker 1 To one hip, one side? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It takes away the explosive ability to get up.

Speaker 1 It's almost like he's daring him to try to get up.

Speaker 3 He's behind the elbows. I mean, Khabib would do that.
Khabib would just let guys up and carrying body weight the whole time.

Speaker 1 He's breaking them.

Speaker 3 You see how he's...

Speaker 3 Bertie's doing a pretty good job of keeping his knees off the floor.

Speaker 1 Keeping the the weight on him. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Beautiful.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that is incredibly tiring.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And no moments of success.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 1 Like on the ground, no moments of success. It's all being dominated.
No sunshine down. And slightly escaping to another bad position.

Speaker 1 And he kind of put himself in there with that shitty shot. Yeah, he totally put himself in here.
And he was landing shots on the side. I know.
He had them wobbled.

Speaker 1 But hey, we're still only in the third. True.

Speaker 1 He's just got to avoid this at all costs. Like, now you know.
No more fucking around with all this. No, his team should be like, don't, dude.
Like, he's clearly

Speaker 1 down at least two rounds. Holy shit.
Those numbers are bad. Oh, yeah.
Like, maybe three rounds, right? Like, what about the first?

Speaker 1 Oh, he's down three rounds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this one's not even close.

Speaker 1 Sean's just so dominant on the ground. I mean, Leon just stopped.
You just want to see how Sean does against like Makachev or Shafkot, like another grappler who can strike and defend the takedowns.

Speaker 1 That'd be his big test.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh, Leon's getting beaten up, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, he just can't escape.

Speaker 3 Spread the knees out. Flatten him out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, straight bullets. There we go.

Speaker 1 Flatten him out. Oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 3 Flatten him again. Keep flattening him.

Speaker 1 God damn, this is domination.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not even a fight.

Speaker 3 Leon keeps trying to stand up head first. He should be trying to four-point out of here.

Speaker 1 Leon's just getting fucking.

Speaker 1 How many clean shots has he landed? My God.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's just constant. Bang, bang, bang.
The crowd's like, God damn it.

Speaker 1 Oh, even from here, he's generating some power from here

Speaker 1 not a lot of time let's go for a choke here maybe he goes for an arm bar yeah let's go for something

Speaker 1 i mean

Speaker 1 he hears the claps Grab a hold of that fucking right arm. Leon's just waiting it out.
Sean's doing it too. Look at Sean's taking some big, deep breaths here.
He's tired from beating his ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's exhausted from beating the shit out of him. Domination by Sean.
I mean, Leon's got to probably stop him or

Speaker 1 get some 10-8 rounds. That was a crazy battle.
Crazy shot. And just not a good decision to make against this guy.
Early in the round. And then he's eaten just hammers.

Speaker 1 Don't let him bully you rock. I mean, if you're the corner,

Speaker 1 don't get taken down. I don't know what the fuck fuck to tell you, man.

Speaker 3 Well, he's doing a good job stopping the takedowns in the clinch.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 when he gets shot on.

Speaker 1 And then ran to the cage. Yeah.
Dean Thomas in the fucking house. Love Dean Thomas.
He's awesome.

Speaker 1 If Leon didn't pull off that last-second KO against Kamaro, you would never think he has a fucking shot. But because he's done that, we're all like, you never know, dude.
Well, you never know.

Speaker 1 Start standing, and he landed shots in the second and the third. He's just got to not let him take him down.
He looks good, though. He doesn't look exhausted.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 But even Kamaro didn't beat him up like this. No.

Speaker 1 Nor did Bilal. No.

Speaker 1 I think Sean's on another level now. You know? Yeah, that loss.
He really. Like, he really talked heavily with me about his mental coaching and how much of an effect it had on.

Speaker 1 Oh, did you have him in here? Mm-hmm. Yeah.
I forget his coach. Do you remember his coach? His mental coach? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jamie, can you find it? Because that guy's very good. I've watched some of his stuff online.
What's the guy's background? Do you know? I do not. Oh, good elbow by Sean.

Speaker 1 Oh, Sean's teeing him up on the feet now. That's trouble.
Oh, my goodness. Sean just can't get.
Oh, there you go. Here's a shot.
Good shot.

Speaker 3 What kind of mental coaching did he do?

Speaker 1 Well, you know, I'd have to have him explain it. I don't want to butcher it, but it was all about strategies to keep him focused and on track.
Brian Kane as his mental coach.

Speaker 1 Brian Kane, peak performance.

Speaker 1 Affirmation training? Affirmation training, developing custom affirmations to enforce positive talk, build confidence, mind control techniques.

Speaker 1 I mean, sometimes fighters just need a framework that they keep with them in a fight. So if something goes sideways, they can get back on track.
Yeah, something to get you back to home base.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because sometimes fighters just lose their train of thought. They lose their focus.

Speaker 1 They get into a downward spiral in their head, and then they find themselves not completely going for the guillotine. Well, especially after this, look at this.
One hand, one arm guillotine.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 3 He'll need to mount him, which is.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness. He's about to tap.
Oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's got the hands now. Oh, now he's fucked.
He's tapped. He tapped.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Sean

Speaker 1 fucking Brady.

Speaker 1 Woo!

Speaker 1 Holy shit, what a performance.

Speaker 1 Dude, shut out. What a performance.
Fantastic. Shut out

Speaker 1 against one of the best of all time in the division. Former champion.
Beats his ass and submits him. I wonder what he's asking Dana for here.
Wow. That was

Speaker 1 impressive. But it makes sense Brady would hire a mental coach of that because remember, he's undefeated, never lost.
And when you get

Speaker 1 your ass handed to you, you're like, oh, fuck, I'm not the end-all-beat. When is Bilal fighting Jack?

Speaker 1 Was that two months? Is that two months? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where's that at?

Speaker 1 I don't know. See if Jamie could find it.
Fucking unbelievable, man. I'm super impressed.
Montreal. UFC 315, May 10th.

Speaker 1 Wow. I won't be there.

Speaker 1 I don't go to Canada anymore.

Speaker 1 I don't. No, nor should you.
Uh-uh. No, discipline.
Yeah, I'd rather go to Russia. Yeah, fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 When they become the U.S., you never know.

Speaker 1 That's never going to happen. That's so crazy.
They asked them to be the 51st date.

Speaker 1 I had a conversation with Trump about it. He goes, I started calling him Governor Trudeau just for fun.
And a lot of people were saying it's a good idea. Like, maybe it is a good idea.

Speaker 1 A lot of people think. Look at this fucking squeeze, man.

Speaker 1 Did you ever work with a mental coach, Gordon? You seem pretty mentally fucking strong.

Speaker 3 No. I believe that confidence is built.
In the gym,

Speaker 3 yeah.

Speaker 3 From doing, like, if you hit an arm bar 10 times out of 10 times in training you're pretty confident that it's gonna work but if you don't hit it in training why would you be confident do you have

Speaker 1 moments in your past where you had a lap lapse of concentration and then you realized never do that again

Speaker 3 um yes like i'm pretty good at like analyzing mistakes um

Speaker 3 and then like fixing them like for you know coming up i would be like super hot and cold like i would beat a lot of guys and then i'd have like one like disastrous match at like purple belt or something or brown belt um and then i was like you know everyone was always like your tom or you know friends were like how how do you beat everyone up in the gym that you can't translate it to the mat and uh

Speaker 3 i was like i don't know man i just

Speaker 3 i i feel like eventually i'm gonna get like good and then you know i'll be good everywhere and no one will no one will be able to beat me in any in any position and then kind of just like going through the reps in the gym and you know, got to a point where I was beating everyone from every position.

Speaker 1 So just you accelerated your skill set so far beyond that you just were so confident that you didn't need to

Speaker 3 uh yeah, but I mean there is there definitely is like the it factor that you can't really like put your finger on.

Speaker 3 Like like most guys even at the highest levels like if you give them the reason to quit they'll quit.

Speaker 3 So like you can be as technically sound as you want.

Speaker 3 Like even guys who are like super good technically, and you see a lot of jiu-jitsu who are super good technically, if they just get pushed hard and they don't have like success early on, they either like crush a guy in like the first five minutes or like

Speaker 3 or they lose the match.

Speaker 1 Well, that's why you like those no-time limit fights, right? Like the Felipe fight?

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, I think I'm a lot stronger mentally than everyone I compete against, but also

Speaker 3 it's a big physical factor because of the fact that when you have like a 30-minute match, for example, the most important thing is the work rate.

Speaker 3 So if I, it doesn't matter how good your cardio is, like how high your BO2 max is, if you're working twice as hard as I am, you're going to get tired faster than I am. It's just, so

Speaker 3 because I'm so much more technical, because the gap in skill is so big between me and the next best guy, their work rate is always three, four, five times as high as mine.

Speaker 1 They have to explode, they have to move quickly.

Speaker 3 So it doesn't matter how good your cardio is. Like, if I ran a mile, it wouldn't be impressive.

Speaker 3 But because I'm so much more efficient, the work rate is so much higher for my opponents that they just fatigue a lot faster.

Speaker 1 Gangster. Crazy.
Yeah, crazy. It's it's and it's crazy too that you lay out the blueprint of what to do.

Speaker 1 Train 365 days a year, constantly study, constantly go over positions, constantly drill things, constantly improve upon techniques, and then you put the techniques out.

Speaker 1 And you put them out in instructionals, and people still can't find it. Well, that's what

Speaker 3 everybody always talks about hard work. But the hardest work is mental work.
Like, there's a reason why guys on Wall Street make more money than guys who dig ditches. Because they work harder.

Speaker 3 Like, it's... It's not just physical.
Like, everyone is... Everyone has no problem coming in, getting a sweat, going home, being sore, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 But if you ask them to sit down and watch an hour's worth of instruction every night from a

Speaker 3 like a Gordon Ryan instructional, which is proven to work in competition, nobody wants to do that.

Speaker 1 You can't do it.

Speaker 1 Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 1 You can give them the tools, but they won't build the house. Yeah, straight up.

Speaker 3 Like all of my, like, I have like 40 instructionals, like hundreds of hours worth of instructionals that I do.

Speaker 3 And I've referenced matches that I hit this and the exact technique in, in competition at world level. And just no no one's picked up on it.

Speaker 1 No one? No one at all?

Speaker 3 They kind of just like grab stuff. Like they see me do like a move and they kind of just like get the basics of it.

Speaker 3 But no one's really like in-depth studied it and like been able to perform the moves in competition. It's like embarrassing for the sport.

Speaker 1 That's so crazy. It's so interesting that the thing that you would need is just a work ethic.

Speaker 3 Like everyone's just like, oh, it's just like a big juice head. And I'm just like, okay, guys, this makes my job easier.

Speaker 3 I'm glad that we all are agreeing on this because it just makes my job so much easier the stuff he's talking about it also isn't exciting you know right you gotta be super disciplined yeah that's the thing but like it like what wins wars is technology and information like the usually the like a country with more technology more access to technology and information is going to be able to win a war it's the same thing for fighting like if you know more most of the time you're going to be able to to win more like if i i'm beating these guys because i know more than they do everybody's tough everybody's

Speaker 3 strong everybody like it's you know there's guys or even the best guys in the world are super inconsistent like they'll win two they'll lose one they'll win four they'll lose two

Speaker 3 but when you know more than everyone in every given position it's like pretty easy what's going on you were telling me your stomach's getting better now I can eat a little bit more like I'm eating like better meals but training is training hard is still tough like whenever my heart rate gets super high and I start to get like tired from like a hard session, I still get super nauseous.

Speaker 1 So I can't believe no one has found a solution to that. That's wild.
Have you run your blood work through chat GPT or you done any of that?

Speaker 3 Or the stomach? The chat

Speaker 3 GPT thing.

Speaker 3 I gotta do that. You talked to me about that the other day.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But doctors know more about space. Or we know more about space than we do the stomach.

Speaker 3 And my issues in the small intestine, which is like the hardest one to treat because they can look at your stomach with an endoscopy and they can look at your large intestine with a a colonoscopy.

Speaker 3 But to figure out what the fuck's going on in your small intestine is completely

Speaker 3 like they just can't, they can't scope it, so it's hard.

Speaker 1 It's crazy that it all comes from antibiotics. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Antibiotics fucked my life up way more than anything else I've ever done to myself.

Speaker 1 Like so crazy. So by far.

Speaker 1 But you're not supposed to do them the way you did them, right? You're not supposed to take antibiotics for a year.

Speaker 3 Well, so it was like,

Speaker 3 so if you get staph and you don't treat it, you just spreads and you die.

Speaker 3 So it was like, I got caught in this like cycle where it was like, I got staph, I took antibiotics, and then I'd be good for two days, got staph, took antibiotics, got staph, took antibiotics, got staff, took, so it was just like, I'd have like three days of training, and then I would just get staph again.

Speaker 3 Because once my stomach started to get affected, and my immune system wasn't as strong,

Speaker 3 my body was trying to fix my stomach. And then I would get staph because my immune system wasn't as strong.

Speaker 3 So then I'd take antibiotics, and then that would destroy my stomach, make my immune system weaker, and then I would get staffed again. So I just got caught in this cycle.

Speaker 3 And I'm sitting there like, I'm not a pussy. I'm not going to stop training.
So it was just me training the whole time, regardless of what was going on.

Speaker 3 Like, I would not train when I had to staff, but I wasn't going to take time off and try to deal with my stomach. I was just like, fucking gotta kill next time.

Speaker 1 Mental toughness can sometimes fuck you up.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you ever thought about trying like a long fast?

Speaker 3 I mean, I've been forced into like two-week fasts. Like

Speaker 1 two weeks?

Speaker 3 Yeah, like yeah, like pretty much like not eating hardly anything.

Speaker 3 I was actually before I fought Roberto Gymnez, the one time I called the arm bar, I was in the hospital like two days before that, getting IBs because I just hadn't eaten in like a week and a half, two weeks.

Speaker 3 Just like couldn't eat anything.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 So obviously then that's not going to cure it.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 And the problem is, is like everything is trial and error.

Speaker 3 So it's like, oh, try this this for eight weeks Fucking eight weeks is a long time and you can try it and you can't like do everything at one time because then you don't know like like you said like I'm I've just threw everything at it.

Speaker 3 I don't know what's actually making me feel good. So it's like you have to add one thing and take away one thing at a time.

Speaker 1 What about your diet? Has anything helped in that regard?

Speaker 3 I couldn't even eat red meat for a long time. Like everyone's suggesting carnivore, but my stomach just wouldn't digest it.

Speaker 3 Like fast food screws me up.

Speaker 3 Steaks sometimes still mess me up. Spicy food I can't do.
Like light chicken and rice, eggs.

Speaker 1 Cowan's very bland. Crazy.
Fucking disaster. Crazy that you're still able to operate at such a high level with such a giant fucking problem that would really end most people's careers.

Speaker 3 It is what it is. Everybody's got their issues.

Speaker 1 I know, but I just can't imagine that with all the resources of the world that someone hasn't reached out to

Speaker 1 a solution. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a tummy ache, man.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, isn't it kind of crazy that you think that no one, there's not one guy out there in Australia or some shit? That's figured it out. It's figured it out.
I mean, same issues. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, there was one, the first time I came on this show,

Speaker 3 a ton of people reached out. I finally found that guy

Speaker 3 who, like, first of all, when you go to a normal GI doctor, like, the guy in California did tests that none of the other GI doctors even know exist. And I'm like, I don't know how that's possible.

Speaker 3 Like, if you ask me a question in jiu-jitsu, it's like X, Y, Z.

Speaker 3 Whereas, like, you go to one doctor and there's no idea what the other tests were that I got ran on me by another doctor, which is just so insane.

Speaker 3 So this one guy actually ran tests and he was like, oh, all these things are wrong with you. And now it's a question of how can we treat them.

Speaker 3 But like most of the doctors I went to, like all the best doctors in the U.S., just did like an endoscopy, like some basic blood work. And they're like, oh, you're fine.

Speaker 3 I'm like, I'm definitely not fine.

Speaker 1 So this other doctor that said, this is what's wrong with you. This is, what was his solution?

Speaker 3 Well, it's just a bunch of things. Like, I mean, I could sit sit here and list for five minutes of things that are wrong with me, but

Speaker 3 it was like, you know, we're going to do a lot of holistic stuff, like over-the-counter

Speaker 3 stuff like binders to deal with like mold poisoning, toxic

Speaker 1 issues.

Speaker 3 And then a lot of like probiotics, anti-like prescription antifungals, like just a combination of stuff, like glue to shields, like you just drink it, and it like coats the lining of your esophagus and your stomach.

Speaker 3 Because my big issue was with the small intestine where the the food and bile back up into the stomach and it just sits there because the stomach there's the small intestines are so that's what makes you functions yeah so it's like you eat food you get full fast and the food just sits in your stomach and just like rots in your stomach and doesn't filter down oh jesus dang

Speaker 3 it's great fun times it's basically like being seasick 24-7

Speaker 1 And what is your thoughts on competing again?

Speaker 3 Well, right now we're just trying to open up this school. So I've been trying to open up this damn school for like two years up in North Austin.

Speaker 3 So, once I get, we're like right at the tail end of getting that open. So, once that, once we get that open and up and running, then I'll jump back in if I'm healthy.

Speaker 1 And there's nothing you can do differently than what you're doing now.

Speaker 3 I mean, I have a do follow ups with the guy. Like, so, for example, it keeps evolving.
So, like, they got the fungal issue

Speaker 3 issue, they think under control.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 the fungal issue in the small intestines now is resolved or mostly resolved, they think

Speaker 3 the lining of the intestines is so inflamed like a scar basically that you have mast cells underneath your

Speaker 3 underneath your intestinal wall. So they're like they're like garbage bags.

Speaker 3 So when food or stomach acid leaks through the intestinal wall and hits the mast cells, they shoot histamines back up to try to prevent it from leaking into your bloodstream. So every time I eat food,

Speaker 3 I just get like like this like adrenaline, like adrenal response, because they just shoot histamines back up into my intestine,

Speaker 3 from under my intestinal walls, back into my intestines. And it just sends my body into like a state of shock.

Speaker 3 So like when it was really bad, I would like, every time I eat a meal, my heart rate would go up to like 150 and just sit there for like 30 minutes.

Speaker 3 And then like your heart rate goes up and your digestive system just stops. So it was like, it would just send my body into like a full panic attack every time I ate a meal.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, oh, this is sick.

Speaker 3 And now it's gotten like a little bit better because it's starting to heal a little bit, but it's still not 100%. So it's like one problem just like evolved into another problem.

Speaker 3 And then because the leaky gut was so bad, like my kidneys were shutting down because I couldn't filter out all the

Speaker 3 like that's when I took a leave of absence or retired, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3 After I fought Vagnan the one time when we first met, like it was my leaky gut was so bad, my kidneys started to start to shut down.

Speaker 3 Jesus. And then

Speaker 3 like my blood pressure is high.

Speaker 1 Have they ever tried oral BPC-157?

Speaker 3 I've been on that for like three years, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Has that have any effect?

Speaker 3 A combination of, like, it definitely helps.

Speaker 1 Got to try the shop method. Whatever they tell you the doses.
I just have to sink at it.

Speaker 3 Just do, yeah.

Speaker 1 Three times as much.

Speaker 1 Let's see what happens with a whole bunch.

Speaker 3 Whole pumping Elon mix of cyborgs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Get me a new stomach.
I'll be ready to go. My flight's at 7:30, John.
All right, Doc. Let's wrap this up.
All right. Thank you, everybody.
Love you. Good times.
See you guys. Love you too.

Speaker 1 See you. Bye.

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