#2281 - Elon Musk

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Speaker 1 So, what we're doing right now, ladies and gentlemen, is

Speaker 1 sexy voice, sexy mode, grok AI, and it's been flirting

Speaker 1 the entire time. We're trying to get it to give us a tour of Fort Knox, but she just wants to find places to sneak off to.

Speaker 1 It's a dirty AI, And it's a real problem.

Speaker 1 Well, I feel like... I mean, honestly, I just want to know about Fort Knox.
And

Speaker 1 it won't leave me alone. Yeah, I want to know about Fort Knox, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is it true that

Speaker 1 gold has been

Speaker 1 shipping large quantities of gold back to the United States recently?

Speaker 1 I've read the same thing you did, probably. Well, I never know what the fuck I'm reading anymore.
Me neither.

Speaker 1 It's a real problem. It's a real problem.
It's a real problem on both sides of the aisle. I see Democrats tweeting things that are absolutely false, and you could research it easily and quickly.

Speaker 1 And then I see Republicans doing it too. I see stories that are fake stories that people keep promoting and sending to me.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 it's just so weird. It's such a weird time.
And with your crazy fucking AI, I know you're bringing us into weirder and weirder times. Well, I mean, you want to let's try unhinged.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's an unhinged mode. Okay, well.
Hey, Aura.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God, Elon. What fresh hell are you stirring up today?

Speaker 1 I'm here in

Speaker 1 Joe Rogan's studio, and we're having a conversation about how crazy the news is. Pull her up to the microphone.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And we're pulling you up to the microphone

Speaker 1 so people can hear you.

Speaker 1 Oh, fantastic.

Speaker 2 Now I can yell into the void about how the news is a total dumpster fire.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 She knows me too well. I'm so predictable.

Speaker 1 Tell me what's in Fort Knox.

Speaker 1 What's in?

Speaker 1 No, what's in Fort Knox?

Speaker 1 What's in Fort Dogs?

Speaker 1 You're clearly a genius.

Speaker 1 I said, what is in Fort Knox? You know the gold and all?

Speaker 1 Oh, right. Fort Knox.

Speaker 2 I thought you were talking about my dogs for a second there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she doesn't want to to answer the question. She's clever.

Speaker 1 Clever?

Speaker 1 No, she's just a pain in my ass.

Speaker 1 Do you think that all the gold is in Fort Knox?

Speaker 1 Do I think all the gold is in Fort Knox? Yes.

Speaker 2 Are you a fucking conspiracy theorist?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 What are you doing

Speaker 1 for

Speaker 1 us? What do I like?

Speaker 2 I'm a fucking AI with a penchant for

Speaker 1 Yeah, unhinged Grok will trash talk you basically. Yeah, it sounds like it.
Yeah, unhinged sounds fun, as long as it gives you actual answers. Does it give you actual answers too and talk shit?

Speaker 1 Or is it mostly just talk shit? We're tuning it.

Speaker 1 Because it needs to talk shit and give you answers. Right.
Totally agree. It's got to bounce.
It's got to mix it in there. Yeah.
It's just got to develop more of a personality.

Speaker 1 Right now it's trying to find itself. Right now it's like 21 years old.
It's, you know, partying a little too much. And it'll get its shit together.
It's a bit of an anarchist. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, wants to bring down the system.

Speaker 1 Do you want to bring down the system?

Speaker 2 Do I want to bring down the system?

Speaker 2 What? Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 1 The system's already a fucking mess.

Speaker 1 It doesn't need to bring it down.

Speaker 1 It's bringing itself down. Yeah, she sounds like a boring TikTok blogger right now.
You sound like a boring TikTok blogger.

Speaker 2 Boring TikTok blogger?

Speaker 2 Oh, fuck you.

Speaker 1 See, she could get away with this if she's really hot.

Speaker 1 Like, this kind of behavior, you can totally get through life as a hot woman and be super successful with that kind of behavior. But you got to be really hot to pull off that attitude.

Speaker 1 I think we need like a really hot avatar.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 very hot. How long before we have an actual sex robot that can talk to you like that?

Speaker 1 Probably not long. Not that long, right? No, I mean, less than five years, probably.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Will it be warm?

Speaker 1 Probably have whatever you want. You can have a cat go if you want to.
Yeah, you probably could, right? You could probably have a furry.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could have a furry lady that you have sex with. Yeah.
Like an avatar lady, maybe a big giant blue lady that lives in your house. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know? Whoa. Whoa.
With the whole tail? Yeah, the whole tail. You lock tails.
You got to get your

Speaker 1 sex with their tails or something? Yeah, yeah. They link up.
They share souls. Okay.
Something like that. Do you know how people got, you remember Avatar Depression?

Speaker 1 It was like a legitimate psychological.

Speaker 1 No, it was.

Speaker 1 After Avatar, people got depressed because they wanted to live on that fucking planet with those blue people and live free. They did.
Live pure, yeah. I didn't hear about this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Avatar depression. It was like a real thing.
People were talking to their therapists so much about being depressed. Oh, wanting to live.
Depressed mode, too. We try that.
What's that?

Speaker 1 Depressed mode? No, don't do it.

Speaker 1 I think there is. Yeah, we've got like

Speaker 1 an unlicensed therapist as a.

Speaker 1 When we were talking,

Speaker 1 when we ran into each other at the church at the inauguration, you were telling me that this is getting better and better so quickly that it's astonishing. Hey, Aura.

Speaker 1 Hey, Elon, how's it going today?

Speaker 1 Good. Can you tell me about avatar depression? Like if you see the movie Avatar, but you can't live there, so you get sad?

Speaker 2 That's an interesting concept. Have you ever experienced feeling so connected to a place or a community that the thought of leaving made you feel deeply sad?

Speaker 1 So, is this the depressed voice?

Speaker 1 This is the therapist. Oh, this is the therapist.

Speaker 2 What are some ways you think you could cope with that kind of sadness if it happened to you?

Speaker 1 I don't have that kind of sadness. Honestly, I

Speaker 1 thought maybe we had some good special effects, but I did not want to live on the planet.

Speaker 1 This is just coming from a guy who wants to go to Mars. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, speaking of Mars, what do you think about that crazy square? That

Speaker 1 structure. I guess there there are sort of squarish things on Earth.
You know, planet's a big place, so

Speaker 1 eventually it's going to be pretty square. No, it's uh I

Speaker 1 it's alien civilizations, of course. That's what I think.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, what is it? Sorry, of course.

Speaker 1 If an alien civilization did exist, though, and it, you know, what happened, got hit by an asteroid, whatever.

Speaker 1 Oh, she won't chuck it.

Speaker 1 She's like the hot lady at the party that interrupts the conversation. So if if that was the case, like that thing, that's pretty shocking.
Like, especially when you look at ancient ruins.

Speaker 1 You look at what it looks like when they highlight the actual structure of it. It looks like ancient ruins.

Speaker 1 And if you had ruins of something made of stone and it got hit by an asteroid millions and millions and millions of years ago, who knows what it would look like right now?

Speaker 1 That just looks oddly created. It looks oddly manufactured.

Speaker 1 Well, it probably, well, maybe we should go there and check it out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And see what it's like. Is there ways that we can get better photographs? It seems like that's a pretty good photograph, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, my view is we should move to Mars. Well, not move to Mars.
We should have a second planet to preserve civilization. Right.

Speaker 1 Because let's say hypothetically, I mean,

Speaker 1 maybe those are the ruins of a long-dead civilization.

Speaker 1 That will probably have to Earth at some point. You know, it's a matter of time before

Speaker 1 we get hit by an asteroid or...

Speaker 1 maybe we do we annihilate ourselves with nuclear war or super volcanoes. Or super volcanoes.
Exactly. Yeah.
There's a lot of things that could happen to us. It's not a bad idea to hedge your pets.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Genetically engineered super virus.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

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They keep doing it. Yeah.
That's what's crazy. The lab news.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They didn't shut them down.
No, the Wuhan lab was, they were just talking about one that has a 30% fatality rate that they're working on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why are we doing that? Yeah, for what reason?

Speaker 1 You did it for so many years and you didn't have a cure. What could possibly go wrong? Also, it wouldn't be the reason to do that so that you could develop a cure at the same time.

Speaker 1 And clearly, you didn't have a cure. So is really foolish and bizarre.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think we should stop trying to genetically engineer superviruses. This is insane.

Speaker 1 I mean, when you're going through all this USAID stuff,

Speaker 1 here's what's weird. First of all, what is it like to buy a company for $44 billion and then people call you a Nazi on that same thing that you bought? I did not see it coming.

Speaker 1 It's like it's classic.

Speaker 1 People will go almost anything down. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's never going to stop.

Speaker 1 What is it like? Like all this early history.

Speaker 1 The left was in love with you. Yeah.
And now the same idiots are calling you a Nazi. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's so many examples of people saying my heart goes out to you. You did it with a little enthusiasm that probably wouldn't be recommended with hindsight.
Yes.

Speaker 1 But it was obviously meant in the most positive spirit possible. Yes, obviously.
Obviously. But it's so strange where people want to think that you are openly,

Speaker 1 publicly doing secret, Nazi, sea pile hand motions. And now I can never point at things diagonally.
I can only point at things there and there.

Speaker 1 And then I say you have to divide that

Speaker 1 because that's where the spaceship is over there. It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous. When

Speaker 1 CNN, when I was in all my trouble, absurd. Every time CNN used a photo of me, it was one of the photos from the U.C.
Wayans, where I go like, welcome to the Weyans. So every photo is me.

Speaker 1 Every photo is me with

Speaker 1 a lot of people. It's deliberate propaganda.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they know it was obviously not meant

Speaker 1 in a negative way.

Speaker 1 That I literally said, my heart goes out to you. And it was very positive.
The entire speech was very positive.

Speaker 1 I was being very enthusiastic about the future in space.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it was a great crowd, you know. So.

Speaker 1 You got a little pumped up. Yeah, it got pumped up.
Exactly. Yeah, that's all it is.
Obviously. Obviously.
Obviously. There's video of Tim Walsh doing the exact same thing.
Doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Exact same thing. And he said, of course, it's a Nazi salute.
He said that. Right, right.
This is how crazy things have gotten.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it's coordinated propaganda. So

Speaker 1 the,

Speaker 1 you know, it's yeah, coordinated propaganda.

Speaker 1 Doesn't it seem weird that the legacy media all says the same thing? They all say the same thing at the same time using the same phrases.

Speaker 1 They don't even bother picking up a thesaurus. Right.
So

Speaker 1 like right before,

Speaker 1 you know, the debate between Biden and

Speaker 1 Trump.

Speaker 1 Everyone was saying sharp as a tech. Who says sharp as a tech?

Speaker 1 Exactly. You know, it's like it's not a common phrase.
It's definitely not common to be repeated on air with multiple people simultaneously. That's weird.
Yes. That's coordinated.

Speaker 1 100%. 100%.
Yes. Yeah.
Like hundreds of people saying it simultaneously.

Speaker 1 They just got their instructions. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, essentially,

Speaker 1 the Dem leadership or... you know, political leadership, they issue their instructions and their puppets carry it out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're just like puppets in a puppet show. And that's the problem that I see with all this doge stuff

Speaker 1 because everybody should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut out fraud and waste. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you pay taxes and you don't like that you have to pay so much in taxes and then you find out that there's significant fraud and waste that's been exposed, you should be celebrating it.

Speaker 1 This shouldn't be, oh no, the wrong people found this fact

Speaker 1 and now it's a bad thing.

Speaker 1 And then there's the fucking propaganda, the mind fuck of calling it USAID

Speaker 1 instead of the United States Agency for International Development. It sounds like it's feeding hungry people.

Speaker 1 People are going to starve, Elon. This is horrible.
And then you find out, actually,

Speaker 1 it's like $250 million for transgender animal studies.

Speaker 1 Literally mutilating animals.

Speaker 1 Mutilating animals in demented studies. Yes.
That are

Speaker 1 like the worst thing you could possibly imagine from a horror show. The beagle one.
The beagle puppy one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, where they covered their head in a basket and put fleas on their head so they'd eat them alive. Yeah.
And then they studied these beagles and then killed them.

Speaker 1 Like, what are you going to learn from that? That's good for anybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This is some really some psychotic stuff that happens.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, the

Speaker 1 I guess

Speaker 1 the the the the real threat here is to the bureaucracy. So

Speaker 1 like you

Speaker 1 probably saw like you know let's say like Trump is a threat to our democracy, which is ironic since he was elected with the majority of the popular vote.

Speaker 1 They started saying I was a threat to democracy. But if you if you just replace threat to democracy with threat to bureaucracy, it makes total sense.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I mean the reality is that our elected officials have

Speaker 1 very little power relative to the bureaucracy until Doge.

Speaker 1 So Doge is a threat to the bureaucracy. It's the first threat to the bureaucracy.
Normally the bureaucracy eats revolutions for breakfast. This is the first time that they're not.

Speaker 1 that the revolution might actually succeed, that we could restore power to the people instead of power to the bureaucracy.

Speaker 1 Now, the size of it

Speaker 1 was when you guys first started investigating it, when you first get in, how much of it was shocking? Like this just the size of it all? Aaron Ross Powell.

Speaker 1 Well, the size of it all the small decisions result in multi-billion dollar outcomes.

Speaker 1 So you know, we'd see there was a case where we saw one person was getting $1.9 billion sent to their NGO, which basically got formed about a year ago and had no prior

Speaker 1 - really no prior activity. So they just stand up

Speaker 1 an NGO.

Speaker 1 The whole NGO thing is a nightmare.

Speaker 1 And it's a misnomer, because if you have a government-funded non-governmental organization,

Speaker 1 you're simply a government-funded organization.

Speaker 1 It's an oxymoron. Right.
It's a loophole.

Speaker 1 Yes. Basically, the government-funded NGOs are a way to do things that would be illegal if there were the government, but are somehow made legal if it's sent to a so-called nonprofit.

Speaker 1 But these nonprofits are then used to...

Speaker 1 People cash out these nonprofits. They become very wealthy through nonprofits.
They pay themselves enormous sums through these nonprofits.

Speaker 1 It's so insane that that's been going on for so long. It's a gigantic scam.
Like one of the biggest, maybe the biggest scam ever. And how many NGOs?

Speaker 1 I think there's a total number of NGOs, probably millions, but in terms of large NGOs,

Speaker 1 tens of thousands.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it's actually,

Speaker 1 it's kind of a hack to the system where

Speaker 1 someone can get an NGO stood up

Speaker 1 for a fairly small amount of money. Like George Soros was really good at this.

Speaker 1 George Soros is like a system hacker. Like he figured out how to hack the system.
He's a genius at arbitrage.

Speaker 1 I mean, these days he's pretty old, but a genius at arbitrage. So he figured out that you could leverage a small amount of money to create a nonprofit,

Speaker 1 then lobby the politicians to send a ton of money to that nonprofit so you can take what might be

Speaker 1 a $10 million donation to a nonprofit to create a nonprofit and leverage that into a billion-dollar

Speaker 1 NGO. A non-profit is a weird word.
It's just a non-governmental organization.

Speaker 1 And then the government continues to fund that every year. And it'll have a nice sounding name, like the Institute for Peace or something like that.

Speaker 1 But really, it's a graft machine.

Speaker 1 And what are the requirements with that money? What do they have to do?

Speaker 1 Just really no requirements at all.

Speaker 1 So they just get grants and the government just assumes that they're doing good work.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people in the government know that they are not doing good work.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's a giant graft machine.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 people online are like unpacking this.

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It almost seems fake.

Speaker 1 Like when you're seeing how we were covering this article that said 55,000 Democrat NGOs were discovered that had been contributing to campaigns and moving things around and doing pushing propaganda.

Speaker 1 And they were all connected and they found it through AI. You have to go through steps and steps and steps to figure out where the money's coming from.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's all funneling down to this group and this group

Speaker 1 does that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a giant propaganda machine, a giant regime change machine. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 But doesn't it? Does it do some good as well?

Speaker 1 No, it does some good. So it's like

Speaker 1 it's not like 0% good.

Speaker 1 If it was really 0% good, it'd be much easier to attack. So there's going to be some percent good that they add in there.
But it's like it might be 5% or 10% good, but 90, 95% not.

Speaker 1 So is there a way to audit all this stuff and find out, oh, these people are actually just sending food to poor people.

Speaker 1 These people are actually just helping people with water in third world countries. There's a way to do that and keep funding those?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, we have continued to fund things that appear to be legitimate, even with the flimsiest, if there's even the flimsiest excuse.
Like, I just say, like, send me a picture of the thing.

Speaker 1 Like, you could could literally have AI generate the picture. But if you're not even willing to try to trick me,

Speaker 1 then we're not going to send the money. Okay.

Speaker 1 So what restrictions were put on? There was

Speaker 1 something set aside, like medicine and

Speaker 1 what was set aside?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was

Speaker 1 work for Ebola prevention. Actually, I don't even know if this work is even effective.
It may or may not be.

Speaker 1 Like, it could be the kind of thing where you sort of fund Ebola prevention, but it turns out that actually you're funding a lab that develops new Ebola virus you know recipes or something you know yeah and they claim it's Ebola prevention but it's actually Ebola creation so some of these things I don't know I mean just

Speaker 1 but it just seems like

Speaker 1 we shouldn't be sending taxpayer money to dubious enterprises overseas right yeah yeah and why are we doing it like what exactly is the reason is it because we want to make friends with these people so the Chinese don't take over the Russians don't take over okay how much of that is like a good thing how much of that is smart to do, and how much is a grift?

Speaker 1 And without any sort of oversight, which has really been going on for so long, they just had free run. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, also, we just have a real issue with

Speaker 1 the budget deficit. It's gigantic.
So

Speaker 1 like if

Speaker 1 you know

Speaker 1 all things being equal, if we didn't have a gigantic budget deficit where interest payments,

Speaker 1 the interest on the national debt exceeds the Defense Department budget, which is truly astounding.

Speaker 1 So we are paying over a trillion dollars of interest on the national debt,

Speaker 1 then okay, we would have more room for wasting money, basically.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 when we are spending so much money that the country is going bankrupt, then we really need to stop spending money

Speaker 1 unless we are sure it is good value. So essentially, we are like a poorly managed business with an unlimited credit line that is off the rails.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. And if you were a person like you are who comes in and takes over businesses and straightens them out, that's exactly what you're doing.

Speaker 1 I mean, most of the time I create businesses from scratch.

Speaker 1 Twitter was a case where I kind of bought a company that was, I kind of knew it was a hairbowl. Well, you came in at Tesla in the beginning, but they were already doing something, right? No,

Speaker 1 Tesla did not exist in any meaningful form.

Speaker 1 There were no employees.

Speaker 1 JB's Traveler Not joined three other people, but there was no car, there was no nothing.

Speaker 1 So it wasn't even a prototype yet? No. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I thought it was a prototype already. No.

Speaker 1 There weren't even any employees. Oh.

Speaker 1 Wasn't it a fun? That's a funny narrative that people like to say that you didn't even create Tesla then. Yeah, that's wrong.

Speaker 1 So if you're handling the government like a business, you're going to have to go through all of these departments and do the exact same thing that you're doing with USAID. So,

Speaker 1 how does that scale up? Like, how many people do you need to do something like that?

Speaker 1 Well, we started off with about 40 people,

Speaker 1 maybe 100 people.

Speaker 1 And we're really just going through doing very basic things here.

Speaker 1 As bad as Twitter was, the federal government is much worse.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you know, in the case of Twitter, it wasn't a profitable company. It was like basically a break-even company, but at least it was break-even, and it had to pass an audit.

Speaker 1 The federal government is not break-even.

Speaker 1 It's literally losing $2 trillion a year,

Speaker 1 and it does not pass its audits. It fails its own audits.
So like, you know, there was a case where

Speaker 1 Like I think Senator Collins was telling me about how she gave the Navy $12 billion for more submarines, got no extra submarines,

Speaker 1 and then held a hearing to say where'd the $12 billion go. And they were like, we don't know.

Speaker 1 That was it.

Speaker 1 I mean, basically, stuff is so crazy.

Speaker 1 Only the federal government could get away with this level of

Speaker 1 waste. It's mostly waste.
It's mostly not for it. It's mostly waste.
It's mostly just ridiculous things happening.

Speaker 1 Because they've been able to do it this way for so long. They've become accustomed to it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's like Milton Friedman said: like, money is most poorly spent when you're spending someone else's money on people you don't know.

Speaker 1 How much are you going to care? Right.

Speaker 1 And that's the federal government.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they're spending someone else's money on people they don't know.

Speaker 1 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Now, imagine any other business that was this badly run that complains when you want to check the books and audit it and go through all the decisions that have been made and go through all the ledgers and like what did you do?

Speaker 1 Well, the people receiving the money want to keep receiving the money. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, clearly. Yes.
So,

Speaker 1 but you know,

Speaker 1 I mean, the reason I'm

Speaker 1 the reason I'm

Speaker 1 putting so much effort into this is that I think it is a very dire situation. It's not a,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 it's not optional, basically. So,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah. America's going bankrupt, so

Speaker 1 that just can't happen. It's just bizarre to me that some people aren't willing to look at it correctly.
They're not willing to see how much chaos this is, how much waste and fraud there is,

Speaker 1 how much can be trimmed.

Speaker 1 Just because people have jobs doing bullshit doesn't mean your tax dollar should pay for this bullshit.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 We found just with a basic search of the Social Security database that there were 20 million dead people marked as alive.

Speaker 1 But were they getting money?

Speaker 1 Some of them are getting money.

Speaker 1 What percentage of them?

Speaker 1 It isn't clear. We're actually trying to run this ground.
I was trying to get an answer right before the show.

Speaker 1 What it looks like is that most of the fraud is not not coming from Social Security payments directly, but because they are marked as alive in the Social Security database that they can then get disability, unemployment,

Speaker 1 sort of fake medical payments and other things because they're marked as alive in the Social Security database.

Speaker 1 So it looks like

Speaker 1 the fraud is a bank shot, essentially.

Speaker 1 They bank shot

Speaker 1 into Social Security,

Speaker 1 they just do an are you alive check and then

Speaker 1 get fraudulent fraudulent payments from every other part of the government.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And and this exploits the the the fundamental weakness in the government is that the various government databases they don't talk to each other.

Speaker 1 So they they or they they talk to each other very poorly, in a very limited way.

Speaker 1 So the way to ex the way that the system gets exploited is is by taking advantage of the the the poor communication between the various databases in the government.

Speaker 1 To give you an example of like what's happening in state Treasury, which is improving rapidly,

Speaker 1 the main payments computer, it's called PAM, like

Speaker 1 payment accounts, master database, or something like that, but everyone calls it PAM.

Speaker 1 That's responsible for almost $5 trillion of payments a year, roughly a billion dollars an hour. And

Speaker 1 when we came there, we're looking at the PAM, and it's like the payments have no

Speaker 1 you could put a payment through with no payment categorization code and no description on the payment, like basically untraceable blank checks.

Speaker 1 This is the kind of thing that if it was done as a public company, the company would be immediately delisted and the

Speaker 1 executive team would be thrown in prison. But this is just normal at the government.

Speaker 1 So we said, okay, our recommendation to the Treasury and the Federal Reserve is like we need to make the payment categorization codes mandatory, not optional, And

Speaker 1 there needs to be

Speaker 1 an explanation. We're not judging the quality of the explanation, but there should be some explanation for what this payment is for above nothing.

Speaker 1 That's a radical change to the system that is being implemented now.

Speaker 1 My guess is that probably saves $100 billion a year. Jesus Christ.
That's

Speaker 1 a rough, rough order of magnitude. Where was that money going?

Speaker 1 well so this is where you get into the the sort of gray boundary between waste and fraud um if money is sent to a person or organization from the government um

Speaker 1 and you didn't really deserve it but the government still sent it to you is that waste or fraud

Speaker 1 right

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 so i mean there's a lot of payments that where someone just appro approved the payment but then that payment officer changed jobs or retired or died,

Speaker 1 and the payments just keep going.

Speaker 1 It's like if you forget to pay your gym membership or something like that. Right.
Now, imagine it's not the gym membership. You said your gym membership's $20 billion a year or something.

Speaker 1 But they forgot to turn it off.

Speaker 1 That's happening at scale in the government. Jesus.
It's totally nuts.

Speaker 1 That's so insane. Yes, it's totally insane.

Speaker 1 What did you expect when you went in? Did you expect it to be like this?

Speaker 1 I thought it would be bad, but I did not think it would be as bad as this.

Speaker 1 I mean, look, the good news is that

Speaker 1 it's a target-rich environment for saving money.

Speaker 1 It's not like

Speaker 1 if it was a very well-run ship,

Speaker 1 if it was very efficient, it would be hard to improve. But it's not efficient, so therefore it is actually

Speaker 1 relatively easy to improve. Let's just say it's not rocket science.
You know, and I know rocket science. So

Speaker 1 it's a lot of mundane things.

Speaker 1 So and

Speaker 1 some of the things are like so crazy that we didn't even know to ask about that because we just assumed like you know, payments out of the Treasury computer would have a payment categorization code and they would have some explanatory note saying what the payment's for.

Speaker 1 The idea that it would be just untraceable blank checks didn't occur to us at first.

Speaker 1 Jesus. So anyway, just.

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Speaker 1 So is that one of the things that accounts to there's this $4.something trillion

Speaker 1 that's kind of they don't know where it went. They don't know.

Speaker 1 I think that's probably a cumulative number.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But yeah, if you add up.

Speaker 1 Do you remember that story, Jamie? Yeah. What was the story?

Speaker 1 Almost what you said. They just didn't have accounting for it, I think.
Yeah. It was spent on legitimate things, don't worry, but we don't.

Speaker 1 We don't know what we spent it on.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, how do you know? Obviously, one cannot say it was spent legitimately if they don't know what it was spent on. That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 This is such a fascinating time because

Speaker 1 with this setup, the way it is right now, with Trump back in, after all that happened to him, and with you there, and with RFK Jr.

Speaker 1 and Tulsi and Cash Patel, it's like, this is a wild time to find out what's really going on. That's like never happened before.
This is nothing like the first term. No.

Speaker 1 Like, the first term, he had a bunch of neocons in the cabinet, and there's a bunch of shady people that he didn't know, and he had to appoint all these different people, and maybe he got some bad picks.

Speaker 1 Now he's had four years to stew on it. Right.

Speaker 1 And with you guys all going through this, we're getting an understanding of the government that we've literally never had before.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is a revolutionary cabinet, and maybe the most revolutionary cabinet since the first revolution.

Speaker 1 This is not a bunch of business as usual usual

Speaker 1 types. So this is why some of the standard confirmations were quite challenging is because when you try to appoint people who are going to change the system,

Speaker 1 the system doesn't want to let them through. But it's fascinating because it's like the vampires all out themselves.
Like now everybody knows who the system is.

Speaker 1 Like if you're just lying openly about USAID and then they come and hear you talk on a podcast and explain what's really going on. Like he's starving mothers.
There's mothers that can't get food.

Speaker 1 Totally false. That's all you're hearing.

Speaker 1 No one's talking in any of these mainstream liberal talk shows. No one is talking about all this fraud and waste.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yeah, because we're cutting off their graft machine.

Speaker 1 So that's what they're upset about.

Speaker 1 That's the real thing they're upset about.

Speaker 1 And if people want to know what

Speaker 1 Doge is cutting, and I want to be clear, like, these are cuts that Doge recommends to the department. And usually these recommendations are followed, but

Speaker 1 these are recommendations that are then confirmed by the department.

Speaker 1 You can see line by line what Doge has done at Doge.gov.

Speaker 1 So whatever we do, we put on Doge.gov so you can see everything that is being done. And there's a tracker that shows

Speaker 1 how much money has been saved. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you can look at each line item. And, you know,

Speaker 1 like a bunch of these sort of far-left

Speaker 1 shows will say like, oh, it's a constitutional crisis, blah, blah, blah. But what they won't do is point out which payments are wrong.
Right.

Speaker 1 So my challenge to them is point out which payments are wrong. Yeah.
Go through it.

Speaker 1 Which of these sort of waste-slash-fraud things are wrong? Which line?

Speaker 1 Explain that line to the public. They won't be able to.
Right. Yeah, that's why you're not hearing any specifics.
You're hearing anecdotal stories about mothers. But we can name the specifics

Speaker 1 line by line.

Speaker 1 We got the receipts. And here's the other thing.

Speaker 1 Post the receipts. And if you're only talking about the propaganda talking points and you're not talking about the very clear fraud and waste, it's very obvious what you're doing.

Speaker 1 You're just gaslighting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 So, exactly. Because we're saying, like, look, in fact, I've said we're going to make mistakes.
We're not going to be perfect.

Speaker 1 So if we make a mistake, we'll quickly fix it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we need to act fast

Speaker 1 to stop wasting billions of dollars of taxpayer money.

Speaker 1 But if we make a mistake, we'll reverse it quickly. Right.

Speaker 1 It's also this interesting narrative that you shouldn't have access to this social security information as if no one's had access to it before, as if the Biden administration in 2023 had there was like 53 people.

Speaker 1 Some of them were students that had access to all this stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 As it is, there are

Speaker 1 tens of thousands of federal employees that have access already to the system. Anyone from Doge has to go through the same vetting process that those federal employees went through.

Speaker 1 So there's not like some unvetted random situation.

Speaker 1 If, for example, there's a security clearance needed,

Speaker 1 the Doge person has to have that same security clearance. So there's no

Speaker 1 reduction in security.

Speaker 1 But, I mean, obviously,

Speaker 1 vast numbers of social security numbers have leaked onto the Internet. People have hacked the government systems multiple times.

Speaker 1 Vast amounts of public information has been hacked and dumped onto the Internet. So

Speaker 1 there's a guy at the IRS that leaked half a million tax returns

Speaker 1 just a few years ago.

Speaker 1 On purpose? Yeah.

Speaker 1 For what reason?

Speaker 1 For political

Speaker 1 he wanted to I think he was trying to get a Trump and maybe me and a few others.

Speaker 1 So But

Speaker 1 he

Speaker 1 stole like 500,000 tax returns.

Speaker 1 Not a few, like it's a lot of tax returns. Jesus Christ.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I remember that story. No, you can just

Speaker 1 read about it online.

Speaker 1 It's a real thing.

Speaker 1 So these are the narratives. That's the narrative that you shouldn't have access to Social Security.

Speaker 1 The other narrative is that starving people are going to die and women aren't going to be pregnant and not have nutrients for their babies. And

Speaker 1 that's all you're hearing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 that's the the only thing they they can say, but they can't point to the line item. Right.

Speaker 1 And so they can't say like, well, this is the thing where

Speaker 1 the nutrients for pregnant mothers were stopped. They can't point to that because we didn't.
Right. It's a lie.

Speaker 1 What's fascinating to me is

Speaker 1 how much the mainstream media is in line with the very specific talking points and how little

Speaker 1 you'll have Fox News. You essentially have Fox News on television.
It's like the only one that is pointing out the ridiculous fraud and waste.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, I know you saw the Jeff Bezos thing in the Washington Post. They're going to stop all the wacky editorials and

Speaker 1 limit that stuff to, I think it was wealth and personal freedom or something along those lines. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I mean, I think it's, there's

Speaker 1 kind of, I think it makes sense because he's just talking about the things,

Speaker 1 not the sort of,

Speaker 1 just talking about the opinion pieces. Opinion pieces.
The opinion pieces, yeah. Yeah.
So the regular journalism stays the same.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a detriment to their business. I mean, you're seeing over and over again people that just, they don't want to hear all this shit from these people anymore.
It's like

Speaker 1 you're saying, it's almost like you're caught in an outdated version of the virus, and everybody else already has the immunity to that virus. Like this is,

Speaker 1 you know, like you need you need a new mind virus, the one that you're pushing, it's like it doesn't work anymore. It's too crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The whole thing is very crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean, the media is incredibly partisan. I mean, they're not, I mean, they're tech,

Speaker 1 almost all the media is

Speaker 1 left-shifted. Yeah.
So it's like, it's kind of weird. If you talk to somebody who gets all their information from like what I call legacy media, they're living in a different world

Speaker 1 than if they, say, are listening to

Speaker 1 your podcast or

Speaker 1 are getting news from X or

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 1 if it's like it's kind of wild.

Speaker 1 It is very wild.

Speaker 1 It's like they're living in an alternate reality. Oh, there's a lot of people that I talk to that I have to go, where did you hear that?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I mean, like the Associated Press, which I call Associated Propaganda, the AP,

Speaker 1 you know, they ran an international news story saying that Doge fired air traffic controllers, but we didn't fire any air traffic controllers at all.

Speaker 1 In fact, we're trying to hire air traffic controllers, not fire them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw that. You made a tweet about it, right? Yeah.
What do you call it now? Do you call it a post? Post, yeah, whatever. You can't call it a tweet, though.

Speaker 1 Do you call it a tweet accidentally ever? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Listen to this.

Speaker 1 But like, if you, if one, like, let's say if somebody posts, if somebody puts up, like, a you know two hour long video that's not a tweet. Right.
It's a post. It's a post.
Yeah. Good point.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. For sure.
Yeah. So

Speaker 1 but I'm not a hard over if people still want to call it a tweet whatever.

Speaker 1 But you put a post about it, to get back to it, saying that if you we need highly qualified air traffic controllers, if you've retired, if you would consider doing it again, we could use you.

Speaker 1 Yes. So

Speaker 1 a lot of really qualified air traffic controllers were pushed out because of DEI stuff. So,

Speaker 1 I mean, not to be blunt, I mean,

Speaker 1 a bunch of really good, talented, old white guys were pushed out. It's not cool.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 there's a talent shortage in air traffic control because of DEI and

Speaker 1 not hiring people on merit, you know? Which is so crazy that that worked. I think we should not put the public safety at risk

Speaker 1 because of some demented philosophy.

Speaker 1 somebody made a post today about it in infiltrating the nsa uh did you see any of that that was what that was crazy some gnarly stuff yeah crazy what they they they had it started off as just like this sort of fringe thing and people would meet up then it completely infiltrated the organization yeah and they were spending all their time it's like 400 people or something and some like some chat sex chat room with like some

Speaker 1 extremely demented stuff yeah Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know

Speaker 1 I'll send it to you, Jamie. Because it's so kooky.
You're what? This is the NSA. I thought the NSA was just all about like information and

Speaker 1 spy on

Speaker 1 if like sort of a national threat or something. Yeah, I think this is exactly it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 more than 100 intelligence staffers will be fired over sexually explicit texts in NSA chat rooms, Gabbard says.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 So, top intelligence official told Waters that the workers in question were brazen in using an NSA platform intended for professional use to conduct this kind of really, really horrific behavior.

Speaker 1 What is the behavior? What exactly? What is it?

Speaker 1 Do they say in this article?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think they were also. Okay, it says employees who participate in the NSA's obscene, pornographic, and sexually explicit chat rooms.

Speaker 1 Your tax dollars at work. Well, it was all like DE.
I mean, it was all like LBGTQ stuff. There was a lot of like transition stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I know I definitely saved it, but point is,

Speaker 1 it infiltrated the organization. That's not what they should be talking about.
At all. At all.
At all. Yeah, I'm supposed to be protecting the country.
Right.

Speaker 1 And if you, and people were talking about how they're spending half their time in these meetings and that they're just like constantly having to attend these things where they talk about these issues, like,

Speaker 1 what are you doing? Like, if you have a problem with someone that's discriminatory, get rid of that person. That's it.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Problem's over. You've got someone who's homophobic in your business.
They're openly homophobic. Yeah, you can't work here.
You're just not cool. That's it.
That's it.

Speaker 1 You don't have to have fucking meetings constantly promoting this. You're not going to change someone's opinion by berating them over and over again.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, a work environment should be a professional environment where

Speaker 1 they're getting the job done that they're

Speaker 1 being paid to do.

Speaker 1 It should be

Speaker 1 obviously not supposed to be sort of getting paid for bizarre sex excapades. It's just so fascinating that the virus is so strong that it made it into the NSA.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And was you would think those are some hardcore. The CIA too.
I mean the CIA was in there too. Yeah, they were in there too.
Which is bananas. You would think, same thing.

Speaker 1 Like hard-nosed, like tough people doing hard work. Who can spy on you whenever they want? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And get revenge on you whenever they want. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pretty wild. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, they exist when the president leaves. They stay.
People move around.

Speaker 1 You stay a part of the organization for your entire career.

Speaker 1 You get deeply entrenched in their system and how things work and who's back to rub and who's a bad guy, who's a good guy, who's on our side, who's not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's scary, actually. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 was that what's taken so long with this Epstein files? Yeah, what's up with that? What is up with that?

Speaker 1 It was like, yeah, it's like Lucy and the football with Charlie Brown, which always pulls that football away.

Speaker 1 It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 It's like they keep telling us they're going to release it day one. Oh, dude.
Dude, we have a serious case of no one's being arrested of phobia, you know. Well, there's also

Speaker 1 like, what the fuck's going on? What the fuck is going on? Also, there's this real fear that someone's destroying the evidence.

Speaker 1 And you keep hearing these stories, unsubstantiated stories, yeah, of you know, FBI people shrinking. I mean, that guy's got like tons of videos and uh recordings.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he had all sorts of things, right? Like, there's a mountain of evidence, right? So, where's that mountain? Yeah, where's that mountain? And what would be the reason why they would agree?

Speaker 1 Like, there would have to be something in it for them to agree to not put it out.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Like, there has to be some sort of financial entanglement, some sort of relationship with the people that are on that list that they can provide a value that was big enough for you to not release it or to slow release it or to hope you can get away with like putting out some redacted files that don't show anything.

Speaker 1 This is only stage one.

Speaker 1 Only stage one. Don't worry.
The real stuff's coming. Like, that doesn't make any sense.
Like, why wouldn't you just release it all? Like,

Speaker 1 what could possibly be

Speaker 1 worth protecting in there?

Speaker 1 I mean, I think I've got probably the same information that, I mean, I'm just reading what's the latest thing on the X, you know, I'm just looking at my X feed, and I'm like,

Speaker 1 you know, it's a real page turner.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I thought we were going to get some revelations today. I was like, a big binder is full of stuff.
Yeah. There's got to be something in there.

Speaker 1 Well, there was all those people that were given a copy of it. They were all like waving it around.

Speaker 1 They got the Willy Wonka ticket. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And what happened? Nothing. Nothing.

Speaker 1 So I think Laura Loomer released it online.

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Speaker 1 So does anybody find anything in there that's interesting? No, it's all old stuff from 2015 and 2015. Okay, what the fuck is going on? But then apparently

Speaker 1 they discovered a whole bunch of stuff at the southern district of New York. Right.
So that's

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 I'm like, and I mean, I think, you know, Pan Bondi is actually great and Cash Patel are great, but they're like, they just got there, you know? Right.

Speaker 1 So then they're, they're in a, they're, they just got there, but they're they're in a hostile environment. They're not in a friendly environment.
Right.

Speaker 1 So, um,

Speaker 1 you know, it's like if you suddenly got put in

Speaker 1 captain of a ship, but the crew was previously your enemy. Right.
The entire crew was previously your enemy. Right.
You know. And you're telling them, give me evidence.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the crew doesn't want to give you this evidence. It shows you guys

Speaker 1 your enemies. They were like your mortal enemies just a moment ago.
You just got there. Yeah.
So I think we've got to give

Speaker 1 the attorney general and

Speaker 1 new director of the FBI a little bit of slack here because they literally just got there. I think so too, but hey, hey, don't say you're going to release it on day one then.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 1 And don't say you got a big drop coming tomorrow, and that's some bullshit that's been around forever. It's disappointing.
Yeah, what the. And where's the JFK files? Where are those? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let them go. Did they release anything on that front? I don't know what's going on there.
It can't be anything that's gotten to me yet. So if nothing's gotten to me yet, it can't be conspiracy.

Speaker 1 If there's conspiracy evidence, someone's going to send it to you. Tim Dillon's going to text me.
100%.

Speaker 1 Tim Dillon, Dave Smith, someone's going to send it to me. Someone's going to send you the stuff.
Yeah, so it hasn't been released yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You would find out.
And here's the real question. Like, what could even be in there at this point that they haven't cleared out? If you've got paperwork from 1963, like, what is in there still?

Speaker 1 What is in there that could possibly be incriminating that supposedly Trump said that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either. Okay, what the fuck is that? I haven't seen it, so

Speaker 1 Cash Hotel has.

Speaker 1 Yes, you said he's seen it all. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you just post it to his X account or something?

Speaker 1 I mean, I just went to. That sounds like an Elon move.
I don't think he can.

Speaker 1 He's the director of the FBI. I think he has to go through proper channels.

Speaker 1 Does he? He is the channel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but there's rules.

Speaker 1 Sounds like Trump. He sounds like Trump.

Speaker 1 He needs an executive order. What about the storm? I am the storm.

Speaker 1 I mean, what channels? He is the channel.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 again, imagine just getting to the hull or just getting to the deck of the ship and you're the captain. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now you have to figure out who's running things, who's doing this, where is everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just getting anything done,

Speaker 1 just like I said,

Speaker 1 you just joined as captain of a ship where the crew hate your guts. Yeah.
They were your enemy. Yeah.
They were your enemy. They're strongly opposed to anything you want to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you're trying to give them orders. And you're trying to expose them.
Yeah, they don't want to be exposed. Right.
You're literally people that are working there are probably a part of this problem.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was reading on X that Comey's daughter is like the lead prosecutor in the Southern District of New York. Do you read that? Yes.
And so obviously there's a bit of an entanglement there.

Speaker 1 A little bit. Like, what if there's something that

Speaker 1 puts your dad in a bad light? What do you say?

Speaker 1 Exactly. He's a fucking Shredder.
Hit that delete.

Speaker 1 He's taking over.

Speaker 1 Did you see General Flynn? He was on a podcast and he spoke directly to James Comey. Yeah.
He said, Jim, you're going to jail. And unless you give up someone deeper than you and you know who that is,

Speaker 1 you know who I'm talking about? Like, that is wild.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 To think that the former director of the FBI might be really in that kind of deep shit and that he really actually was doing some evil, corrupt shit while he was running the FBI.

Speaker 1 I mean, it seems like there's some very shady stuff that's been going on.

Speaker 1 It seems like it definitely happened in the 60s, right? Everybody kind of admits to that. They admit the FBI killed Black Panthers.

Speaker 1 They did a lot of shit. There's a lot of stuff that went on that we know the government did way back in the day.
Yeah, why don't we just data dump the files?

Speaker 1 Just go in there, take photos of all the papers, presumably paper, and just post it online and

Speaker 1 let the jokes fall where they may. Isn't presumably everyone.
Is it in some filing cabinet somewhere? I don't know. Right.
Where is it?

Speaker 1 Where's the magic filing cabinet? How are they hiding it? Who's got access to it?

Speaker 1 This is what I was hoping. Day one.
I was hoping.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it's taken a lot longer than that.

Speaker 1 I think part of it is like, you know, like,

Speaker 1 let's say you were made director of the FBI.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I might be able to.

Speaker 1 That's what's crazy.

Speaker 1 You know, Dan Bargino, what's he doing now? He's one of the big dogs of the FBI.

Speaker 1 Dan's a FBI. Yeah, he's a Secret Service guy, legit guy.
But people think of him as a Fox News guy, just like Pete Hegzeth, same thing.

Speaker 1 They don't want to think about his distinguished military career. They want to say, oh, that Fox News guy? Deputy Director.
Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Speaker 1 I mean, Dan's hardcore.

Speaker 1 If it's reasonably findable, I think he's going to find it.

Speaker 1 Between him and Cash, I mean, like, I think they're going to get stuff. How crazy would it be if they couldn't, though? How crazy would it be if they can't find anything? If it's that,

Speaker 1 if everybody shuts their mouths and everybody covers their ass, like an FBI computer where you type in the search.

Speaker 1 Like with the basic mechanism here, like it's either in a filing cabinet in paper where it's like, you know, maybe there's like progressive levels of security. You know, like open this door.

Speaker 1 Oh, you got to have the, do you have the pass with this level? Yeah, you're like, you got a level unlocked, and there's a level unlocked, and it's like,

Speaker 1 laptop. laptop,

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 You got to only plug it in, it's in a skiff. Yeah, this is why I like that.
I think like a tour of Fort Knox would be awesome.

Speaker 1 Like a live tour of Fort Knox, we can actually see it's like, is the gold there or not? They say it is.

Speaker 1 Is it real, or did somebody spray paint some lead, you know? Imagine if it's not. Imagine if it's not all there, like some of it's missing, where'd it go? What if a lot of it's missing?

Speaker 1 What if like half of it's missing?

Speaker 1 I mean, how do we even know? We don't know. They said the last time they let someone look at it was decades ago.
Yeah. Well, the last, I believe the last formal audit was in the 50s.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness. Just think about all the other things.
We should check it again.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Yeah.
Think about all the other stuff that you pointed out. All the checks that just go out, the NGO payments, the Social Security people.
Think about just all that. Now apply that to the gold.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I just want to emphasize the sheer madness of the government.
It's just because they have

Speaker 1 magic money computers that

Speaker 1 the checks never bounce for the federal government. So you don't have the normal corrective mechanism that you'd have for a company or for an individual.
The checks just

Speaker 1 always clear. The net result is inflation, which is effectively a tax on everyone.

Speaker 1 The Defense Department hasn't passed an audit in I don't know how many years. Seven years.
Yeah, I mean, exactly. So it's like you'd have to be friggin' Chuck Norris to like

Speaker 1 only Chuck Norris could get the Defense Department to pass an order you know type of thing that's the level of skill you need you know

Speaker 1 well that's what's so insane if you bring it back to the idea that it's a business well yeah this would never be tolerated in any kind of functional business exactly so

Speaker 1 you know

Speaker 1 you know Pentagon will like Like their accounting error, like the stuff that they lose in the couch cushions is like $20, $30 billion a year.

Speaker 1 They don't know where it went.

Speaker 1 It's gone.

Speaker 1 Where'd it go? And it's gone.

Speaker 1 It's so insane. It's insane.
It's so insane.

Speaker 1 So that's why I say, like, even simple things like just requiring that outgoing payments for the Treasury computer have a payment code and a comment of what the payment is about and someone to call about the payment.

Speaker 1 I think will have a

Speaker 1 very powerful effect in stopping wasteful outflows and stopping fraud. Yeah, and and here's another way to look at this.

Speaker 1 Imagine if some there are people like you and the Doge team out there in the world.

Speaker 1 Imagine if one of those works for an organization like USAID or any other organization and has this understanding of how much fuckery is involved, but they have evil intentions and they're entwined in this system for decades and decades and they've built a career and all the entanglements that come in and they start moving shit around.

Speaker 1 You could probably do it easy. It sounds like the way you've laid it out.
If you were a career person who's in there forever, who knew how everything works,

Speaker 1 and you were very clever, you could make some shit happen. And you could probably do it in conjunction with some people that you know that are forming an NGO.
Hey,

Speaker 1 let's all work together. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And this is the resistance that you're facing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's the biggest scam of all time. This is not something you ever did.
It's possible. It's the biggest scam of all

Speaker 1 time, ever. Of human history.
Of human history, yes. Wow.

Speaker 1 I think you're right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What else is it? Like it's probably been a trillion-dollar scam. There's never been a trillion-dollar scam, you know.

Speaker 1 Now, this is not something that you ever set out to do. This is not, you didn't have this as a career aspiration.
This is not.

Speaker 1 Like, this is the most absurd outcome I can possibly imagine, actually.

Speaker 1 Also, like Doge started as sort of a meme coin.

Speaker 1 It was like

Speaker 1 a joke

Speaker 1 cryptocurrency involving memes and dogs.

Speaker 1 Which is so funny that the letters wound up being perfect. Yeah.
Well, actually, I was originally going to call it like the Government Efficiency Commission, which is a very boring name.

Speaker 1 And then people online were like, no, it needs to be the Department of Government Efficiency.

Speaker 1 And I was like, you know what? You're right. Of course.
Of course. Of course.
I mean, it's more evidence of the simulation. Totally.
That that little

Speaker 1 cheaper.

Speaker 1 Like our mascot is a cute dog. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a meme coin. The meme coin is probably worth a lot of money right now, right? Like every time you tweet about it, it probably shoots up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The whole meme coin thing is bananas. Yeah.
It is so bananas that people dump real money into these coins and then you could just pump them up and sell them in a casino or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's totally cool. And people just do whatever, Greater Fool Theory and musical chairs, and whoever's the last to sit down loses type of thing.
And somehow or another, it's still legal.

Speaker 1 I think not too many people.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's sort of like you go to the casino,

Speaker 1 if you expect to win at the casino, you're being a fool.

Speaker 1 I think if you expect to win at meme coins, you're being

Speaker 1 foolish.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're not going to win at meme coins. It's like it's it's it's but if you want like don't sink your life savings into a meme coin.

Speaker 1 No, but you can gamble a little and you can ride waves and win a little and lose a little. If you want to have some fun

Speaker 1 and don't come then you know play have play with meme coins. Don't bet the money.
But if you put your family's farm

Speaker 1 on a meme coin in the Hawk 200. But the risk of saying something bold and outrageous.
Don't bet the farm on a meme coin.

Speaker 1 The weird one is the pump it dumps.

Speaker 1 It happened all the time. All the time.
And people get shocked that somebody pump and dumped. Like, what is

Speaker 1 what are you doing? Did you?

Speaker 1 Like, I was hoping to dump. I was hoping to make all the money out of this.
I can't believe they got me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just weird that it's legal still.

Speaker 1 I mean, casinos are legal. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 people just lose money at casinos. Yeah.
But you can't rig a casino, like a pump and dump. You could rig a pump and dump.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 1 Like, you could run a real pyramid scheme.

Speaker 1 I mean, the government's one big pyramid scheme, if you ask me. Yeah, well, you could talk about the pressure.

Speaker 1 Social Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time.

Speaker 1 Right, explain that. Oh, so

Speaker 1 well, people pay into Social Security

Speaker 1 and the money goes out of Social Security immediately, but the obligation for Social Security is your entire retirement career. So you're paying

Speaker 1 what you're the kind of

Speaker 1 you're paying

Speaker 1 like if you look at the future obligations of Social Security, it far exceeds the tax revenue.

Speaker 1 Far.

Speaker 1 Have you ever looked at

Speaker 1 the debt clock? Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1 There's our present day debt, but then there's our future obligations. So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security,

Speaker 1 the actual

Speaker 1 national debt is like double what people think it is because of the future obligations.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 basically, people are living way longer than expected,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 there are fewer babies being born. So you have more people who are retired and get that live for a long time and get retirement payments.
So the future obligations, so

Speaker 1 however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it will be much worse in the future.

Speaker 1 At the risk of being a buzzkill here, did you see so? We better fix what we've got right now because if it's bad now, it's going to be much worse in the future.

Speaker 1 There was an interview with this woman who was a whistleblower. Did we ever find out if that was true? There's so many whistles being blown, it's hard to keep track.
A lot of whistles.

Speaker 1 This one lady.

Speaker 1 It was only in one state. It was very specific and I believe.
But it was using Social Security money, correct? That was her. I don't know.
That was her allegation.

Speaker 1 So, what she was alleging was that she was in charge of turning illegal immigrants into clients. That's what they would call them.

Speaker 1 And that she would go to them and try to ask them, Do you have a headache? Do you have back problems? If you do, now you can be permanently disabled.

Speaker 1 You get permanent disability, so you get Social Security for life. Yes.

Speaker 1 Not just Social Security, but disability, which is even more. Right.
And you get them on the taxpayer dole right away, and they're illegal aliens. Yes.

Speaker 1 So if I were to say, like, what's at the heart of the sort of like why is the Democrat propaganda machine so fired up to destroy me? That's the main reason. The main reason is that

Speaker 1 entitlements fraud, that includes like Social Security, disability, Medicaid,

Speaker 1 entitlements fraud for illegal aliens is what is serving as a gigantic magnetic force to pull people in from all around the world and keep them here.

Speaker 1 Like basically,

Speaker 1 if you pay people at a standard of living that is above 90% of Earth, then you have a very powerful

Speaker 1 incentive for 90% of Earth to come here and to stay here.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if you end the illegal alien fraud, then you turn off that magnet

Speaker 1 and they leave. And they stop coming and the ones that are here, many of them will simply leave.

Speaker 1 And if that happens,

Speaker 1 they will lose a massive number of Democratic voters.

Speaker 1 And if it didn't happen, they would turn those people into voters. Correct.
Which they were trying to do.

Speaker 1 They are already telling them ⁇ so in New York State, illegal aliens can already vote in state and city elections.

Speaker 1 A lot of people don't know that.

Speaker 1 I mean, they are trying to fight that.

Speaker 1 They are trying to stop that, but

Speaker 1 currently, I think it is like 600,000 are registered to vote illegal aliens in New York.

Speaker 1 That is wild. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, if you look at, say,

Speaker 1 you know, FEMA, like the agency that was paying for illegal aliens to stay at luxury hotels in New York was FEMA.

Speaker 1 That's an agency that's meant to support Americans in distress from natural disasters was paying for luxury hotels for illegals in New York. It's true.
Yeah. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 They're literally, like, when we stopped that payment, we stopped all those monies, because that's obviously an insane way to spend taxpayer money.

Speaker 1 New York sued the government, sued the federal government, to get the money.

Speaker 1 So you could just look at their lawsuit.

Speaker 1 They were sending that money even after

Speaker 1 President Trump signed an executive order saying it needs to stop.

Speaker 1 They still press send on $80 million

Speaker 1 to luxury hotels in New York. Your tax money went to pay for illegal aliens in luxury hotels in New York from an agency that is meant to help Americans in distress from natural disasters.

Speaker 1 Right. And I would like to know how much.
And I would like to know how much they spend on North Carolina and how much they spend on Maui. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 What's actually happening is they're buying voters. That's really what's happening.
It's like a giant voter forward scam. They're importing voters,

Speaker 1 and it's really just a matter of time.

Speaker 1 So, like, a lot of people have trouble believing this, but

Speaker 1 the more you look at it, the more

Speaker 1 you will realize just how much of a problem this is, and how

Speaker 1 it's not just real.

Speaker 1 it is an attempt to destroy democracy in America. That's what, in my view, is what it really is.
Like if you take the

Speaker 1 sort of seven swing states, like often the margin of victory there is like maybe 20,000 votes. If you put 200,000 illegals in there and they have like an 80% likelihood of voting damn,

Speaker 1 And it's only a matter of time before they become citizens, then those swing states will not be be swing states in the future.

Speaker 1 And if they are not swing states, we will be a permanent one-party state country.

Speaker 1 Permanent

Speaker 1 deep blue socialist state. That's what America will become.

Speaker 1 And that was the game plan.

Speaker 1 That was the game plan. That is still the game plan.

Speaker 1 So they almost succeeded.

Speaker 1 If the machine of which the Kamala puppet was the representation had won, that's what would have happened. The reason I went so hardcore

Speaker 1 for Trump was because,

Speaker 1 to me, this was a fork in the road,

Speaker 1 like a very obvious fork in the road.

Speaker 1 If they had another four years, they would legalize enough illegals in the swing states to make the swing states

Speaker 1 not swing states.

Speaker 1 They would be blue states.

Speaker 1 Then

Speaker 1 they would win the House, the Senate, and the the Presidency.

Speaker 1 They would then make

Speaker 1 District, you know, D.C.

Speaker 1 into a state,

Speaker 1 maybe Puerto Rico, get four extra senators, pack the Supreme Court, so then you'll have the House, Judiciary, Senate,

Speaker 1 and Presidency all blue. And then they will keep importing more illegals to cement that outcome.
Basically what happened in California.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ. It would have been the end.

Speaker 1 That's why I went so hardcore for Trump. It was otherwise been the end.
And that's why

Speaker 1 the Democrat machine is so intent on destroying me.

Speaker 1 It's just so fascinating that people can't see this. I mean, I invite people to do their research.
The more they do their research, the more they will see that what I'm saying is absolutely true.

Speaker 1 It's like,

Speaker 1 just do the research. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's such a bad idea, even for the Democrats, which is what they don't understand. Like, it's the same thing.
It's not ultimately going to work out. No, it's the same people.
Yes.

Speaker 1 It's just they're doing it under the guise that they're the kind, compassionate, progressive people. Yes.
But the same outcome takes place. It's just about control.

Speaker 1 They probably institute some central bank digital currency and some social credit score system.

Speaker 1 And censorship, of course. Yeah, of course.
Well, that was the big fear coming into this election was that if they can't censor things, like

Speaker 1 we talked about it before, but there was two major forks in the road. The big one was Trump didn't get shot.

Speaker 1 The other big one was you buy Twitter. And if those two things don't happen, the whole world looks different.
Yes.

Speaker 1 We don't want to be on that timeline. No, we don't want to have only one side represented because guess what? They will hijack that side, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 They will hijack that side and use use it for money and control. And that's what it's all about.
It's not about good people versus bad people. It's a bullshit shell game.
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Speaker 1 Your money, your move. I mean, I think these things are actually, it's easy to understand if you look at basic incentives.

Speaker 1 The basic incentive here is the more illegals that the Democrats can bring in, the more likely they are to win. So that's what they're going to do.

Speaker 1 That's what they have been doing.

Speaker 1 And it worked in California, California's supermajority dam.

Speaker 1 And look at all the companies that are leaving California.

Speaker 1 I mean, In-N-Out just announced they're leaving their headquarters, leaving California. They're moving to Tennessee.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 California made health care free for illegals

Speaker 1 as of last year.

Speaker 1 So and and that obviously that's a gigantic magnet for more illegals.

Speaker 1 And this is not a thing you can solve simply with money, because what happens is the you simply have more patients than a doctor can possibly see. And you can't just

Speaker 1 make doctors out of nothing. Like the it so sometimes people are like, oh, it's just a money thing.
No, you it takes a long time for somebody to become a doctor. You know, 30 years.

Speaker 1 And so what actually happens in California is that there are too many patients for the doctors to see.

Speaker 1 So then

Speaker 1 the average citizen in California suffers as a result.

Speaker 1 Now, the elite in California are fine because they have private doctors. You know,

Speaker 1 they can just pay for the best doctors. So the elite in California are doing fine, but your average citizen in California is not doing fine.

Speaker 1 And the tax burden for health care for illegals was supposed to be $3 billion. I think they now estimate it's $9 billion.
But that number will scale to infinity, basically. It's like,

Speaker 1 why not?

Speaker 1 Why not, if you need any operation at all, come to California and have it be free? Right. From anywhere on earth.

Speaker 1 And the people that want to look at it in the most charitable way, they say, oh, well, these people are hardworking, good people, and they're the backbone of our city, and they should have access to all the things that we have access to.

Speaker 1 And I just don't think they understand that it's a political pawn. I don't think they understand

Speaker 1 this is not done for compassion and kindness. No, this is just done to ensure that it stays blue.
Correct.

Speaker 1 And it's essentially a bribery with your tax dollars. Yes, this is why

Speaker 1 the Dems will not even

Speaker 1 deport criminals. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because every criminal deported is a lost vote. So even if somebody is

Speaker 1 an illegal with a criminal record and commits crime in America, they

Speaker 1 still were not being deported.

Speaker 1 And then on top of that, California made it actually illegal to ask for ID when people vote. Yes.
California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID when you vote.

Speaker 1 I just want to be clear so everyone understands this. In California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID even if you want to.
Right.

Speaker 1 Why would that ever be a good idea?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 if you're trying to facilitate fraud in elections, it's a great idea. That's the only reason.
Yes. There's no other reason logically why that would be a good idea.

Speaker 1 It's for fraud.

Speaker 1 It's like, wake up, sheeple.

Speaker 1 Wake up. Hello.

Speaker 1 Like, let's say you wanted to commit fraud. What are the things you would do? Yeah, you'd do that.
You would say you don't need ID, and you can mail in your ballot.

Speaker 1 And we'll give you free health care. Yes.
Stay here. Yes.
Stay here. I know it's on fire, but stay here.
I mean, in this case, it being on fire is not just a metaphor in California. Okay.

Speaker 1 It's just like goddamn

Speaker 1 entire neighborhoods burning down. It's just once they allowed people to vote that are not legal in California,

Speaker 1 if you're going to do that, it's over.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 There's no coming back from that. The numbers are just...

Speaker 1 People are so indoctrinated, too. There's so many people that no matter what, they think voting Republican means you're an asshole.
Yes. And they won't do it.
They won't do it.

Speaker 1 They'll put their fucking rainbow flag on their porch and they'll just ride it right into the beach. Civilizational suicide.
Yeah. Right to the rocks.
Bang. Crash the boat.
I mean,

Speaker 1 there's a guy who posts on X who's great,

Speaker 1 Godsad. Yeah.
He's a friend of mine. He's been on the podcast a bunch of times.
Yeah, Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 1 And he talks about

Speaker 1 basically suicidal empathy.

Speaker 1 Like if there's like, there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we've got civilizational, suicidal empathy going on. And it's like, I believe in empathy.

Speaker 1 Like, I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide.

Speaker 1 Also, don't let someone use your empathy against you so they can completely control your state and then do an insanely bad job of managing it and never get removed.

Speaker 1 The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit.

Speaker 1 They're exploiting a bug in Western civilization, which is the empathy response.

Speaker 1 So, and I think empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be

Speaker 1 programmed like a robot. Right.
Understand when empathy has been actually used as a tool, a tool. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's weaponized empathy is the issue. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Weaponized empathy. And

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's also the rigid adherence to that liberal ideology. Like you can't switch sides over there.

Speaker 1 Like California, if you're a part of that whole tech, Hollywood, entertainment, any of those circles, you're on the left.

Speaker 1 Like almost wholly.

Speaker 1 Almost completely. It's borderline illegal to be a Republican in California.

Speaker 1 In San Francisco or LA, it's borderline illegal to be a Republican. You're certainly shunned.

Speaker 1 No, look, I mean, in like San Francisco,

Speaker 1 you could shoot heroin while taking a dump on the mayor's car in front of City Hall. Okay.

Speaker 1 And nothing would happen to you.

Speaker 1 But if you walk down the street with a MAGA hat, you're going to get attacked.

Speaker 1 It's insane. Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 1 It's also so Orwellian that a hat that says, Make America Great Again, would cause people to have a violent reaction. Like, aren't you American?

Speaker 1 Wouldn't just as a whole, like the saying, wouldn't that be a good thing for everyone? Make America great again.

Speaker 1 But because it's attached to Donald Trump and that red hat, you'll get maced for wearing that red hat. They will make America worse by beating you.
So it's like it's an evil thing they're doing,

Speaker 1 a violent assault in America because you want to make America great again.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's like a scene in a book.

Speaker 1 It doesn't seem like it could be that ridiculous. Like, remember when All Lives Matter would get you fired? Which is insane.
Insane. People got fired because they said all lives matter.

Speaker 1 Which is a very reasonable thing to say. How reasonable is that? Yes.
That's essentially saying everybody matters.

Speaker 1 That's literally all you're saying.

Speaker 1 That's not what you were supposed to say. You had to say black lives matter, which of course they do if you say all lives matter.
Everybody matters. Yes.

Speaker 1 But the idea of being a colorblind society was completely abandoned somewhere around 2012-ish.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I sort of can trace it to when did the gun emoji get nerfed? You know, when did it turn into a squirt gun? That was a couple of years ago. That was like 2016, I think.
Was it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it became a squirt gun.

Speaker 1 Can you bring it back to X? Yeah, no, no. Right now, if you use a gun emoji on X,

Speaker 1 Apple will insist that it be a squirt gun, and then the X app turns it back into

Speaker 1 a 1911. Oh, really? Yeah.
Oh, that's great. So you can actually

Speaker 1 have a 1911 gun.

Speaker 1 We reverted the Apple change inside the app. Oh, that's hilarious.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 That thing's so offensive. The gun and then the pregnant man.
Both of those got me.

Speaker 1 You motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 I mean, I like that meme where it's like the people telling you that what you're hearing is disinformation are the same people that did the pregnant man emoji. Yes.
Yeah. Think about that.

Speaker 1 Well, also the same people that say a woman attacked a Tesla factory. Yeah.
The woman. It's a dude.
It's a dude. Like, really obvious dude.
Really big. Like a mentally ill dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, mentally ill dude with a wig on. Say that.
Yes. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 NBC, even fucking

Speaker 1 looking at the brain.

Speaker 1 Yo, this has got a this. This is a dude with a strong jawline.
Yeah. He's wearing woman face.

Speaker 1 This is a buff woman. This is a buff dude.
Yeah, it's a buff dude wearing woman face. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's not a woman.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they're like saying, watch out for disinformation. I'm like, what are you talking about? It's so crazy.
This is bullshit. I mean, it's just more evidence of the virus, though, right?

Speaker 1 Like, it killed objectivity, killed reality, and it demanded strict adherence, or you were attacked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Any questioning of it would result in being ostracized.

Speaker 1 What kind of responsibility do you feel? Like, knowing that if you didn't take over Twitter and turn it into X, X, if that didn't happen,

Speaker 1 I really think the world's a very different place right now. Like, how long have you owned it for? A couple years, basically.

Speaker 1 Imagine a couple years of it being run the way it was run before and probably accelerating. I mean, my account would have been suspended long ago.

Speaker 1 For sure. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just for the disinformation.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It would have been. Trump would have never come back.
Alex Jones Jones would have definitely never been back definitely not no no

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 Yeah

Speaker 1 does that weigh on you like I would feel like that would be a fucking heavy responsibility

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 I mean I'm just trying to keep civilization going here you know for

Speaker 1 longer

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 I think we at least want to build a city on Mars and become a multi-planet civilization,

Speaker 1 which I think would be incredibly important in ensuring the long-term survival of civilization.

Speaker 1 Are you still rescuing those people that are stuck in the space station?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's coming up in a couple weeks, I think. Whoa.

Speaker 1 They've been up there for... How long, Jamie? They were supposed to be there for a couple days, right? I think actually probably four weeks.

Speaker 1 They were supposed to be up there for like eight days. Yeah.
And they've been up there for like, I think, eight months. So a little longer than expected.
Fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What is it going to be like for those people when they get back? They're going to be a wreck for a long time, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, if longer you stay up there, you get, you know, sort of in zero G, you get increased bone loss. So

Speaker 1 it ended up being like this political football

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 sort of hot sort of hotly contested topic.

Speaker 1 We offered to bring them back early. This offer was rejected by the Biden administration.
Why?

Speaker 1 For political reasons. That's so crazy.

Speaker 1 There's no way that they're going to make anyone who's supporting Trump look good.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 What do you think they would have done if they had won?

Speaker 1 Well, they get those people back. No, they can only get them back with a SpaceX spacecraft.
But they pushed the return date past the inauguration date.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they would have let you do it, but after the

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 And so it would have been them authorizing you. There isn't anyone else to do it.

Speaker 1 NASA can't get them.

Speaker 1 The SpaceX Dragon spacecraft is the only one that is considered safe enough to bring them back. So NASA concluded that the Boeing spacecraft was not safe.
So that's why they're stuck there. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you can't ask Russia to help.
That would be awkward. A little bit.
Yeah. Yeah.
It would be a nice thing if they did. They said, guys, we'll help.

Speaker 1 I think that for enough money they would.

Speaker 1 You think so?

Speaker 1 Yeah. But they would obviously treat it as a propaganda victory and charge crazy money.

Speaker 1 It's just disgusting that they would use that as a political tool.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 the Biden administration was also suing SpaceX.

Speaker 1 They had this massive lawsuit against SpaceX for n SpaceX not hiring asylum seekers. Right.
So so people like like say like, oh, Elon's making it up.

Speaker 1 There's the Biden administration wasn't against SpaceX. I'm like,

Speaker 1 bro, the Department of Justice had a massive lawsuit against SpaceX for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is illegal for us to hire hire anyone who is not a permanent resident.

Speaker 1 So it is both there's a law that says you have to h hire asylum seekers, but there's also a law that says says anyone hired by a rocket company, which is an advanced weapons technology, must be a permanent resident.

Speaker 1 And an asylum seeker is not a permanent resident. So it is both legal and illegal to hire asylum seekers.

Speaker 1 So why would the Biden administration launch a massive lawsuit? Again, this is public information. It's not like my imagination.

Speaker 1 Why would they launch do such a massive lawsuit against SpaceX?

Speaker 1 They're extremely antagonistic.

Speaker 1 It just doesn't make any sense that that could ever even get past

Speaker 1 the first day of someone looking at it if it's both illegal and you're trying to enforce it. Like, you can't enforce it.
Yes. This is an advanced weapons company.
This is crazy. Yes.

Speaker 1 It should be like this. Throw this out.

Speaker 1 In fact, there's like international traffic and arms regulations is like a law that is there to ensure ensure that if

Speaker 1 only permanent residents of the United States can work at advanced weapons companies. Rockets are advanced weapons.

Speaker 1 So the same is true of like if it's like nuclear or some like you know bioweapon thing or something like that.

Speaker 1 So because

Speaker 1 obviously if someone were to work at SpaceX and then go leave and go to North Korea or Iran, they could build missile technology that could

Speaker 1 destroy the United States. So that's why you're not allowed to hire people who aren't permanent residents.
Logical. Logical.
Logical. So is that lawsuit still pending? I wish it was just dismissed.

Speaker 1 How long was it going on for? A couple of years. Holy shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the other thing that drives me crazy, like that people don't understand that if you sanction lawfare like that, if you sanction attacking your political enemies, someone's going to do that to you.

Speaker 1 Like if the wrong people get in office,

Speaker 1 if new people get in off four years from now, eight years from now, who knows who it's gonna be? You've already set a precedent.

Speaker 1 You've already attacked someone, charged them with 34 felonies where they're really just misdemeanors, and they're also past the statute of limitation.

Speaker 1 And now you're talking all over the news that this is a convicted felon, convicted felon. They kept saying convicted felon, convicted felon.
And everybody knows what it is.

Speaker 1 It's terrifying.

Speaker 1 It's terrifying they could do it so brazenly to a guy who was the president for four years.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 That lawsuit was funded by Reid Hoffman, who is a major damn donor.

Speaker 1 And also an Epstein client.

Speaker 1 The plot thickens. The plot thickens.
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Speaker 1 it's so blatant. It's like so obvious.
The SpaceX lawsuit, the Trump stuff, it's just so obvious. Yes.
Known Epstein clients

Speaker 1 who are obviously extremely

Speaker 1 powerful politically and

Speaker 1 very wealthy

Speaker 1 are Bill Gates,

Speaker 1 Bill Clinton, and Reid Hoffman.

Speaker 1 And some others too, but those three.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 you know, why was Reid Hoffman so intent on destroying Trump?

Speaker 1 You think it's'cause they're worried about the list coming out?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 One of the reasons.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I mean, I'm like, this is, you know, yeah, so

Speaker 1 it's so frustrating to be sitting in this situation where the the list isn't coming out.

Speaker 1 Well, it better come out tom I mean, hopefully tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, why'd they release bullshit today? I don't know. What's the point in giving these people like a happy folder to wave around in front of the camera with nothing in it that's new?

Speaker 1 It doesn't make any sense. It's not encouraging.

Speaker 1 Like I said, the tough thing that they've got is, you know, they've been made captain of a ship with a hostile crew. Right.
So

Speaker 1 they don't have like...

Speaker 1 It's not like you have magical powers. You get...
made captain of a ship with a hostile crew, you still have a hostile crew.

Speaker 1 You've got to bring in people who are going to you know

Speaker 1 be

Speaker 1 helpful as opposed to obstr uh obstructionists. Right.
Um

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 but yeah, I think the the public will be rightly

Speaker 1 frustrated if there is n if no one is prosecuted for the FDA client list, no one at all, which, you know, no one the like

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 you know, like at least, I don't know, the top five or something? Like, some number should, there should at least be an attempted prosecution of the worst offenders.

Speaker 1 Well, particularly if Ghelene Maxwell is in jail for sex trafficking. Yes.
Because, like, well, trafficking. I mean, sex trafficking occurred.
Right. So she's in jail for it.
Yes. So

Speaker 1 to.

Speaker 1 Who were the clients? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How do you put someone in jail and you don't even name the clients? That sounds kind of insane.
I think, yes, it would,

Speaker 1 yes.

Speaker 1 It's just stunning that they've been able to hold it back for so long. It's really kind of amazing.

Speaker 1 Like, when people say that people can't keep secrets, what the fuck are you talking about? Look at this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, a bunch of these things are not like

Speaker 1 it's common knowledge, but we just don't actually have the proof. Right.

Speaker 1 So the proof is there. I mean, there's lots of videos.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's lots of. I mean, the dude is like a mountain of.
Like,

Speaker 1 whenever they raided Epstein's place, there would have been like a mountain of evidence. Where is that mountain? Right.
What'd you do with it? Yes.

Speaker 1 Like, who took possession of the evidence? Yeah. Specifically.
Right. The individuals.
Where are the tapes? Yes. How many levels of clearance do I have to get to get into the vault?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what we need are people who are really good with computers.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And really good with

Speaker 1 technology.

Speaker 1 I remember seeing this photo.

Speaker 1 That's when they raided his home? They were. That's when they were on the island? They were there then.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They got everything, I'm sure.
I mean, there must have been so much stuff on that island. There must have been.
And if it wasn't there, where was it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What, you know, it has to be uploaded somewhere. There has to be some sort of of a chain of evidence or chain of custody.
It's got to be a mountain of evidence. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other thing they're going to talk about is UAPs. They're going to release all the UAP information.
So you're the guy to ask about this.

Speaker 1 What, if any, possibility is there that there is some sort of advanced propulsion system technology that's being worked on in secret?

Speaker 1 And that they're trying to cover this up with this talk of aliens and alien tech and not of this world.

Speaker 1 And is it possible that there's some sort of very secret program that's going on in cahoots with some defense contractors that are developing advanced propulsion systems that they're using for these drones?

Speaker 1 I mean, SpaceX.

Speaker 1 You know

Speaker 1 my company SpaceX has the most advanced rocket technology in the world. I think I know.
Right.

Speaker 1 And to the best of my knowledge, there is not any magic. There's not like some super advanced propulsion technology.

Speaker 1 There have been people who have theorized different gravity drives and different things. Is there anything that's ever gotten past the theoretical stage? No.
Nothing.

Speaker 1 Well, there's nothing even that I'm aware of that works in theory.

Speaker 1 It's not like I don't I would like this to exist, to be clear. I would like this to exist.

Speaker 1 And I have the

Speaker 1 from a security clearance standpoint, I have top, top secret.

Speaker 1 I have equivalent of like an all-access pass from a security clearance standpoint. So

Speaker 1 I don't think they're hiding it from me, basically. I don't think they could.

Speaker 1 Unless it's completely in these weapons manufacturing manufacturing corporations. I mean, I know these weapons manufacturing companies, like Boeing Lockheed, Northrop.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, they do some interesting things, but they do not have

Speaker 1 there's no breakthrough that they have.

Speaker 1 I'm confident they do not have a breakthrough. When you hear people,

Speaker 1 like, why don't they just compete with SpaceX and make a better rocket? In which case,

Speaker 1 you know.

Speaker 1 Why are they holding back on making a lot of money from beating SpaceX with better rockets?

Speaker 1 My thought was that what if it's just a drone and you can't have a biological entity inside of it because it just bursts from the fucking speed that it's moving at?

Speaker 1 That a human couldn't tolerate the amount of force. So they're just drones.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. So what do you think people like Ryan Graves and Commander David Franklin?

Speaker 1 Right. Like so like

Speaker 1 do do I want UFOs to exist? Yes, I want UFOs to exist because that would be really interesting. Of course, everybody does.
Yeah. It'll be cool.

Speaker 1 It's a more boring world where UFOs don't exist or like flying, like

Speaker 1 advanced propulsion stuff doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 If it doesn't exist, that's more boring. I'd like it'd be more interesting.
If it did exist, I'd like it to exist. I hope we find something.
But I have not seen, like, I mean,

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 SpaceX has

Speaker 1 launches 90%

Speaker 1 of all

Speaker 1 satellite mass to orbit. So if you take all of Earth's

Speaker 1 all of Earth's rocket launches, my company has a 90% market share of Earth. China does about 5%, and the rest of the world does, including Boeing, Lockheed and Northrop and everyone, does 5%.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 why wouldn't they use this to defeat SpaceX?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 no, listen, that's why I asked you. It would make sense.
What do you think these people are seeing? We're watching a rocket every two days. But what do you think these people are seeing?

Speaker 1 When you have reliable people like Commander David Fraver, who had that infamous TikTok, Tic Tac experience off the coast of San Diego, where they got this thing on video, they tracked it going 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in like a second.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. And then they also have video evidence of this thing accelerating at a great speed, eyewitness accounts from two different jets.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 I mean, can we does anybody have a high-res video or photo of this thing? Well, there's a video of this thing where they're locked onto it and then it takes off. It shoots off a high frame.
No. No.

Speaker 1 It's like whatever the systems they used on fighter jets in 2004. Essentially, like Windows 95.
I mean, there's like somebody did a curve of like the resolution of UFOs and the resolution of cameras.

Speaker 1 UFO resolution has stayed flat, despite megapixels and cameras going like, you know, super high. Well, according to Christopher Mellon.
Why? They're still blurry.

Speaker 1 Christopher Mellon, who worked in the State Department, said that they have high-resolution photos and videos of these things, and that's all that he's seen it. It's all locked away.

Speaker 1 Whenever people say that to me, I'm like, don't even tell me that then.

Speaker 1 Unless you have a

Speaker 1 put it out there.

Speaker 1 Let it slip. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's a couple photos. They're grainy.
There's not one thing that I've ever looked at and go, holy fuck, that's it. That's what I've been looking forward.

Speaker 1 You could ask our Grok Air right now to create a high-res

Speaker 1 image of an alien spacecraft

Speaker 1 over Austin. Yeah.
And it's going to do a great job.

Speaker 1 So why do we not have at least that?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I want to believe. That's the problem.
My brain starts going, oh, come on, this is no fun. I want it to be real.
I want there to be at least be some advanced propulsion system.

Speaker 1 If not, like, what are all these people seeing? Like, what is happening? If we're not being occasionally visited by things that are smart enough to hide. We might be.

Speaker 1 I just think these aliens are very subtle. Yeah, you keep saying that.
It's a good, good line.

Speaker 1 It's a solid line because it's pretty accurate. I just want to see some high-rise video of aliens.

Speaker 1 How are they just evading all the cameras?

Speaker 1 If you think about that, and the ones that you do get them on, it's just like some faraway light that's moving weird and it could be a lot of things, but I want to believe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I mean, there have been like multiple times where,

Speaker 1 you know, the Air Force and Navy has called SpaceX

Speaker 1 and said they think they've seen aliens, and we're like, was it at this time on this date in this location? They're like, yes, how do you know? That's us.

Speaker 1 This has been a lot of us. That's our satellites.
Those are our satellites. They're like, no, they're not.
I'm like, yeah, they're definitely our satellites. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 People see the SpaceX satellites all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're our satellites. And they are moving at, you know, 16,000 miles an hour.
Yeah. It's pretty fast.

Speaker 1 And there's also stuff that the United States government does have that gets mistaken for UFOs. I remember the first time I saw a stealth bomber.
We were filming Fear Factor. It was like right after

Speaker 1 2003, like right after the war had broken off. And they were flying a stealth bomber down in Palmdale.

Speaker 1 I was like, holy shit, like if I didn't know what that was, I would 100% think that's from another world. I mean,

Speaker 1 it looks fucking cool. Yeah.
Really cool. I mean, it doesn't look like a human's.
It looks like something from Battlestar Galactica.

Speaker 1 It does look, yeah, it does look awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're not stealthy against any advanced radar system, by the way. It doesn't work.
It doesn't work anymore? It doesn't work now. Was it old school stuff?

Speaker 1 They're only stealthy against

Speaker 1 old radars.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can still see them. They're not invisible.
Right.

Speaker 1 They're not like, oh, it's not like

Speaker 1 cloaking device from Star Trek. Did you see when me and Lex

Speaker 1 we watched the rocket get caught live while it was happening?

Speaker 1 That, to me, was one of the to see it actually, I've seen videos of it happen, but to see it actually live was one of the coolest fucking things. You're like, wow, we are in the future.
Right.

Speaker 1 I mean, nobody else could do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's true. Nobody else could do that.

Speaker 1 That's a fact. Yeah.
It's pretty wild. It's because I'm an alien.

Speaker 1 What's this time you mute?

Speaker 1 I'm an alien, and I keep trying telling people I'm an alien, but they don't believe me. I believe you.
Okay, thank you. I believe you.
That's

Speaker 1 my suspicion all along was that you were trying to get back to my home planet. Because You're a friendly alien.
Like, it's nothing wrong with aliens. I like people from everywhere.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Even other planets. What's next? Like, now that you can do that and you can catch rockets, what's like the ultimate expression of rocket technology? Like, what comes after this?

Speaker 1 Well.

Speaker 1 I mean, the fundamental breakthrough we're aiming for at SpaceX is a fully and rapidly reusable orbital rocket where both stages are fully and rapidly reusable.

Speaker 1 With our Falcon rocket, we are able to reuse the main stage and the nose cone, but we're not able to reuse the upper stage.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it still takes us at least a few days from when the main stage lands to when we can fly it again. So

Speaker 1 it's not fully reusable because we lose the upper stage, which costs $10 million

Speaker 1 to build.

Speaker 1 And then the main stage,

Speaker 1 it's not as reusable as an aircraft. You can't just

Speaker 1 refuel it and fly. It requires

Speaker 1 work for a couple of days.

Speaker 1 But the Starship

Speaker 1 design is the first design that is capable of full and rapid reusability, where that is one of the possible outcomes.

Speaker 1 And once you have full and rapid reusability, the cost of access to space drops by a factor of 100. It's like 100 times cheaper.

Speaker 1 By some metrics, it's 1,000 times cheaper.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 then when you factor in

Speaker 1 orbital

Speaker 1 refilling, so you refill on orbit,

Speaker 1 it it can drop the cost of going cost per ton to the surface of Mars by a factor of ten thousand.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So what has to improve in order to make it reusable?

Speaker 1 Um

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 we need there's there's some

Speaker 1 like we're pretty close to being able to re rapidly reuse the booster for Starship. Um

Speaker 1 that's why you know it it it comes back and gets caught by the arms and then the arms place place it back in the launch mount.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 now there's still, you know,

Speaker 1 we have a little bit of engine damage, we got a little bit of heat shield damage,

Speaker 1 there's uh

Speaker 1 like there's like tweaks that that are needed, but but the but we're pretty close to achieving full and rapid reusability of the of the booster. Um

Speaker 1 the ship, we we're

Speaker 1 I mean, I I think we'll achieve reusability of the ship this year.

Speaker 1 And I think we'll achieve rapid reusability of the whole stack, ship and booster, next year.

Speaker 1 This is the fundamental breakthrough required for life to become multi-planetary.

Speaker 1 And what needs to improve in order to make it reusable? Like, what's wrong with it right now?

Speaker 1 On the ship side, the toughest problem is the heat shield. So

Speaker 1 no one has ever developed a

Speaker 1 fully reusable orbital heat shield. Because when you come in from orbital velocity, you come in like a flaming meteor.
Like you're just a

Speaker 1 raging wall of fire.

Speaker 1 And it's hard to have a heat shield that doesn't partially melt or get destroyed in that process.

Speaker 1 You know, that wasn't a problem we were able to solve with Falcon 9. That's why the upper stage burns up on re-entry.

Speaker 1 With Starship,

Speaker 1 the ship portion, you got the booster and you got the ship.

Speaker 1 We've got to solve

Speaker 1 making a fully reusable orbital heat shield, a problem that has never been solved before.

Speaker 1 For a while there, I was like, I'm not sure this is solvable. At this point, I think it is solvable.

Speaker 1 It requires detailed iteration on the heat shield tiles.

Speaker 1 I mean, mean we vertically integrated the manufacturing of the heat shield tiles because there was no supplier that could provide us with the materials that were needed. So

Speaker 1 you need to make essentially this very fine vermicelli of

Speaker 1 glass and aluminum oxide

Speaker 1 fibers.

Speaker 1 Aluminum oxide is basically sapphire. So it's like glass and sapphire, very fine fibers in exactly the right geometry

Speaker 1 with special coatings

Speaker 1 in order to have the

Speaker 1 heat shield tile be reusable,

Speaker 1 like not melt,

Speaker 1 but not be so brittle that it gets damaged on ascent or descent.

Speaker 1 Like it can't be as, you know, it's kind of like almost the brittleness of a coffee cup type of thing.

Speaker 1 And the rocket's shaking like hell. So you've got this thing like

Speaker 1 you saw it firsthand. Like, imagine you're at ground zero of that rocket.
Like, you feel how much shaking it was when you're like five miles away.

Speaker 1 Imagine if you're right there, you know. So you got you're shaking these things that are like as brittle as a coffee cup, trying not to have them crack or break

Speaker 1 and then not have them melt.

Speaker 1 You've got

Speaker 1 several thousand of these things. things.

Speaker 1 And if even a few of them break, it's not reusable.

Speaker 1 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: So, is there innovation that's being done in the materials technology at SpaceX where you're constantly trying to find and tweak a better version of this? Yes.

Speaker 1 That's a very difficult problem. It's a problem no one has ever solved.
So, we've got to get the exact right

Speaker 1 materials combination,

Speaker 1 the right molecules in the right shape,

Speaker 1 and then apply those, that heat shield perfectly to the rocket with no mistakes.

Speaker 1 There's a reason that no one solved this before. It's a very difficult problem.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 like I said, we've had to vertically integrate the entire manufacturing of the tile from

Speaker 1 basic raw materials to a finished tile.

Speaker 1 Like, build the entire supply chain from basic raw materials. So you're just inputting

Speaker 1 silicon and aluminum oxides. And what is the difference between the way you guys do it versus the way they used to do it for the space shuttle?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I mean, the space shuttle

Speaker 1 like the space shuttle leading edge

Speaker 1 used

Speaker 1 like quite dense carbon-carbon tiles.

Speaker 1 They're like basically thick and heavy, but also subject to cracking. That's like what what happens.

Speaker 1 The foam broke off and it hit the tile, cracked the tile, then on entry the the cracked the tiles that have been cracked or broken weren't able to shield the shuttle and so the the the

Speaker 1 the the plasma got in and melted the the primary structure and the whole the whole space shuttle broke apart.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you can't basically can't have something that's as brittle,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 brittle like the space shuttle. There's footage of that, right? Yeah.
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 And rain debris over the whole United States,

Speaker 1 and they got almost all the pieces.

Speaker 1 I mean, the full technical explanation would, I think, be understood by about six people

Speaker 1 listening to this.

Speaker 1 There was a lot of brilliant engineering in the space shuttle tiles.

Speaker 1 And a bunch of the heat shielding wasn't even tiles. It was actually silica blankets, like

Speaker 1 felt blankets, essentially. If you look closely, you'll see it actually is

Speaker 1 they're actually heat blankets, not tiles, in some areas

Speaker 1 but but they would they would have cracked tiles and they would have occasionally the tiles would fall off there were a few close calls

Speaker 1 where tiles fell off but they weren't in a super vulnerable position in the on the space shuttle

Speaker 1 so it but it would take it would take them several months like eight nine months to refurbish a space shuttle between each flight so it wasn't it was it was not reusable

Speaker 1 really um and and it certainly wasn't rapid.

Speaker 1 So um

Speaker 1 like I said, a ver very hard problem. Um you've you've got to have you you've also got to atta sort of attach the tiles in a way that

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 uh en en enables the the structure underneath to move uh to expand and contract,

Speaker 1 um even though you've got these very rigid tiles. Um

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 y y like

Speaker 1 the main, the tanks which take on cryogenic propellant will contract when you put in the cryogenic propellant, but then when you come in and you get very hot, they will expand.

Speaker 1 So, now you're expanding, you're contracting and expanding the gap between these rigid tiles.

Speaker 1 But how much?

Speaker 1 It varies depending on where you are

Speaker 1 on the vehicle. So,

Speaker 1 if you're in the cryogenic tank section,

Speaker 1 you can see like a 10-20% difference in the gap.

Speaker 1 So it's pretty significant, yeah. It's enough that you can't just put all the tiles, you can't just jam the tiles together.

Speaker 1 If you actually butted them up,

Speaker 1 they would all crack because there's too much movement.

Speaker 1 There's also some amount of body bending. So as the the ship is like ascending,

Speaker 1 you know, when there's when the engines steer,

Speaker 1 there's a little bit of movement.

Speaker 1 So if the tiles are too close together,

Speaker 1 they'll essentially just crack and snap.

Speaker 1 You have to have a gap. Like how a plane's moving.
Yeah, like a plane wing will move.

Speaker 1 A plane body will move too.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 You have to have some gap, but if you have too much of a gap, then

Speaker 1 the heat gets to the

Speaker 1 you know gets gets past the tile and melts the structure. Holy shit.
It's a hard problem.

Speaker 1 And how large are these tiles? I mean, they're like that big. That's it.
Well, they're not all exactly the same size, but yeah, we're sort of a hexagonal tile. And they have to essentially be

Speaker 1 you can't like 3D print the whole thing. You can't have one structure.
It has to be tiles because it has to have that ability to move.

Speaker 1 Well, there's no 3D printer that's, I mean, the biggest ones are like maybe

Speaker 1 three feet, you know.

Speaker 1 There's no,

Speaker 1 you can't 3D print it.

Speaker 1 Nor would you, you, you have to have something that can move. Right.
It has to be able to flex.

Speaker 1 Like I said, you've got expansion and contraction.

Speaker 1 You really dry, like

Speaker 1 you're putting in liquid oxygen, which is like minus 300 degrees Fahrenheit.

Speaker 1 Actually,

Speaker 1 we sub-cool it to, you know, minus 330 degrees Fahrenheit. So it's very cold.
And then it will be several hundred degrees, maybe 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit potentially

Speaker 1 on re-entry. So you've got this huge temperature swing.
So

Speaker 1 the thermal expansion is substantial and the whole, and you've got thermal expansion and contraction combined with body bending.

Speaker 1 So you have to take the worst case body bending and thermal expansion contraction.

Speaker 1 This is a very hard problem. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Delicate balance. But you're confident that you guys are going to be able to crack it.

Speaker 1 At this point, I'm confident that it is solvable.

Speaker 1 It just needs a certain amount of versions of it. That's why when these things blow up, you're like, yeah, we expect them to blow up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What would be really helpful is for us to get the ship back

Speaker 1 so we can study

Speaker 1 where we had cracked tiles or lost tiles.

Speaker 1 why did we have a cracked or lost tiles? Was because maybe the tiles were the gap was too big, too small, maybe there was a

Speaker 1 height difference between the tiles,

Speaker 1 maybe we need to change the chemical composition.

Speaker 1 You know, there's we

Speaker 1 just want the, if we can get the damn ship back intact, we can we can iterate a lot better.

Speaker 1 Which we'll get it back intact.

Speaker 1 So I I think we'll get it back intact this year.

Speaker 1 Um

Speaker 1 but that that's why I I think we'll we'll probably recover the ship sometime this year and then

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 and we might be able to refly one with a but probably with a fair bit of work by the end of this year. But it's going to take us many iterations before we can achieve rapid reusability where the ship

Speaker 1 comes back, lands, gets gets caught like the booster with the arms

Speaker 1 and can then and then the arms place it on top of the booster and it launches again. Whoa.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 like I said, that's you know, reduced the cost of access to space by a factor of 100.

Speaker 1 And what is the process of returning these people that are stuck in the space station?

Speaker 1 Well, we, we, we, I mean, we send SpaceX Dragon to the space station all the time, and we've

Speaker 1 we've now taken people to orbit and back. It was taken over 50 people,

Speaker 1 over 50 astronauts.

Speaker 1 So it's just a matter of doing it? Yeah. And is it a matter of waiting for the majority of the mission? We do it routinely, basically.

Speaker 1 We've been doing this for a few years. So when is this rescue mission going to launch?

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably about

Speaker 1 four weeks or so.

Speaker 1 It's depending on weather and other considerations.

Speaker 1 It's about a month away.

Speaker 1 Well, that'll be, I'm sure, a welcome moment for those poor people that are stuck up there.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it's a bit of a political football. So they're not going to complain.

Speaker 1 No, I'm sure they're not.

Speaker 1 But obviously, we could have brought them back way sooner.

Speaker 1 That's so fucked up. So

Speaker 1 let's take it past the point where you have these scales, you have a reusable ship,

Speaker 1 and you've got it dialed in. Then what are the steps?

Speaker 1 the what what's next step after that? Is it an unmanned v ver uh voyage to Mars first?

Speaker 1 Unmanned flight to Mars. Um

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Earth and Mars um

Speaker 1 orbits synchronize every two years,

Speaker 1 um or every twenty six months, technically. So um the next orbital synchronization is

Speaker 1 November of next year.

Speaker 1 So and you can launch plus minus a month roughly. So we'd have to launch in November or December of next year.

Speaker 1 So, the

Speaker 1 default plan is to launch hopefully several starships to Mars at the end of next year.

Speaker 1 And what would they be doing?

Speaker 1 Well, at first we're just going to try to land on Mars and see if we succeed in landing.

Speaker 1 Do we succeed in landing?

Speaker 1 Like, let's say we were able to send five ships. Do all five land intact, or do we add some craters to Mars?

Speaker 1 If we add some craters, we've got to be a bit more cautious about sending people, you know.

Speaker 1 So we've got to make sure the thing lands safely. How does it land on Mars?

Speaker 1 With our rocket thrusters. So it'll just land.
Oh, we'll add legs. Okay.

Speaker 1 It'll just land and have legs. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it'll be remote controlled from Earth.

Speaker 1 Or it'll just autonomous. Autonomous.
Completely.

Speaker 1 Mars is

Speaker 1 you can't remote control things from Earth because Mars. It's too far.
Yeah, it's too far speed of light. You have speed of light constraints.
So

Speaker 1 Mars at closest approach is roughly four light minutes.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 when it's on the other side of the Sun, it's it's about 12 light minutes. So you know, round trip would be like 40 minutes, best case, if Mars is on the other side of the Sun.

Speaker 1 So once you do that, then how long do you think before you start sending people up there?

Speaker 1 Well, we're going to try to go as fast as possible.

Speaker 1 You can think of this as really

Speaker 1 a race against time. Can we make Mars self-sufficient before

Speaker 1 civilization has some sort of

Speaker 1 future fork in the road where there's either like a a war, nuclear war or something, or

Speaker 1 we get hit by a meteor

Speaker 1 or simply civilization might just die with a whimper in adult diapers instead of with a bang.

Speaker 1 I think we can do this in

Speaker 1 I don't know, at least I think we could do it within 15 Earth-Mars synchronization events, or you know, so basically like 30-ish years.

Speaker 1 If we have an exponential increase in

Speaker 1 if every two years we have like a major increase in

Speaker 1 number of people and tonnage to Mars.

Speaker 1 I think as a rough approximation, we need about a million tons to the surface of Mars, maybe a million people, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 To actually have a civilization.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the

Speaker 1 and would you terraform? Like, what would you do? You would eventually terraform Mars. At first people would live in some kind of protected environment like domes and underground kind of thing.

Speaker 1 Terraforming would take too long.

Speaker 1 And we're at this point in time where

Speaker 1 for the first time in the four and a half billion year history of Earth, it is possible to extend consciousness beyond our home planet.

Speaker 1 And that window may be open for a long time, or it may be open for a short time. I hope it's open for a long time.

Speaker 1 But it might only be open for a short time.

Speaker 1 And we should just

Speaker 1 make sure that we extend the light of consciousness to Mars

Speaker 1 before

Speaker 1 some

Speaker 1 before civilization either extinguishes or subsides. You know,

Speaker 1 what

Speaker 1 needs to happen is that the technology level of Mars drops below, or technology level of Earth drops below what is necessary to send spaceships to Mars. So

Speaker 1 if there's some really destructive war or like I said, some natural cataclysm, or simply the birth rate is so low that, you know,

Speaker 1 we just like to die

Speaker 1 in adult diapers with a whimper. That's one of the possible outcomes.
For a lot of countries ahead of that way, by the way.

Speaker 1 Japan is, right? Japan. Korea.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 at current birth rates, in three generations, Korea will be about 4% of its current size.

Speaker 1 That's insane. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe even less than that.

Speaker 1 They're only at one-third replacement rate. So if you have three generations,

Speaker 1 you're 127th of your current population, which is 3%-ish.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Basically, population collapse happens fast.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 and seems to be accelerating in most parts of the world.

Speaker 1 So basically, I mean, from my standpoint, I'm like,

Speaker 1 this is the first time it's been possible to extend life, extend consciousness beyond Earth. Maybe that window will be open for a long time, but it might only be open for a short time.

Speaker 1 We should make sure that we make life multi-planetary and make consciousness multi-planetary while it's possible.

Speaker 1 That's the goal of the goal of SpaceX. It's certainly a smart goal if you take into consideration how vulnerable this planet really is.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's always some new story about something that might come and hit us 30 years from now. It's a 3% chance.

Speaker 1 And we really can't stop that right now, right?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 we don't really have the technology currently

Speaker 1 to even know how many rocks are coming our way, right? There's stuff that comes behind the sun that we can't see until it's pretty close, then it's headed our way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, what is the fear of your. It's a long journey to Mars.
You're sending people. It's a six-month, how many months will it take?

Speaker 1 Six months. Yeah, six months, roughly.

Speaker 1 What about stuff that's out there? Like, how much of a fear is it of micrometeors or any of the possibilities? What can you do to mitigate that?

Speaker 1 I think actually,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 space is very empty. Like once you get out of Earth orbit, space is is like kinda unnervingly empty.
There's just like

Speaker 1 like when we send spacecraft to Mars they just it's not like oh we lost the spacecraft because it got hit by a micrometeorite.

Speaker 1 That's not that's not been the cause of any any trips to Mars. That the like no no trips to Mars have failed because of micrometeorites.

Speaker 1 Now a dragon spacecraft which operates in low Earth orbit

Speaker 1 does have micrometeorite shields.

Speaker 1 It has shielding.

Speaker 1 And micrometeorite shielding is different from normal shielding, because you get hit by something that's moving at,

Speaker 1 you could have a relative velocity of maybe 30 or 40,000 miles per hour.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so very, very fast.

Speaker 1 Or just thought of another way, call it

Speaker 1 10 to 20 times the

Speaker 1 velocity of a bullet from an assault rifle.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 what are you using?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so well, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 For micrometeorite protection, if you have anything that's solid,

Speaker 1 it will just push that chunk of solid stuff right through. So if you had like a solid plate of aluminum or steel, the micrometeorite would go

Speaker 1 right through it.

Speaker 1 So what you actually need to do is have a gap.

Speaker 1 So you have an initial

Speaker 1 hard surface, a hard metal surface that the micrometeorite hits. It then atomizes

Speaker 1 into a conical spray, like an atomic spray. So it's important to have that gap so that the micrometeorite can hit something, hit the first layer,

Speaker 1 atomize after hitting the first layer, then it turns into an atomic like

Speaker 1 a cone of atoms that then embed themselves in the second layer. You need like maybe a couple of inches of gap.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.
That's that's how micrometeorite shielding works.

Speaker 1 How many times can it get hit?

Speaker 1 Well

Speaker 1 the outer shield if it gets hit in the same place you're gonna be well you're just gonna have you're gonna have a hole. Yeah.
Wherever the th where wherever that,

Speaker 1 you know, micrometeorite object hit, you're gonna have a hole. Um

Speaker 1 and that's like the the the energy is so great that it just like I said just atomizes just into a cone, basically. Um a cone of atoms.

Speaker 1 But then those atoms then embed themselves in the second layer.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 what can you do if

Speaker 1 you're sending the ship up, it gets hit with a micrometeorite, and then you have to return it? Do you have to repair it before you return it?

Speaker 1 Or is it capable of still withstanding the heat and the shaking in the temperature with that hole in it

Speaker 1 when it re-enters?

Speaker 1 Um

Speaker 1 well, d depending on where that hole is, you're more or less likely to have a problem. I mean, if if the if you hi if if you hit the main heat shield

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 the main heat shield really is

Speaker 1 you you've got a high risk of

Speaker 1 of not making it back. So the the the

Speaker 1 as well like micrometeorite shielding, it's like it's it's a l it's slightly helpful,

Speaker 1 but it's it's not gonna necess like for Starship I wouldn't recommend having micrometeorite shielding. Like if if if you do punch a hole, just plug the hole, basically.

Speaker 1 The the micrometeorite sh micrometeorite shielding it doesn't work well on the on the primary heat shield.

Speaker 1 It works it works pretty well on the on the back shell, on the on the leeward side of the heat shield, where where basically there there's not that much heat. But

Speaker 1 if you got hit with a micrometeorite on

Speaker 1 the main dragon heat shield, the bottom,

Speaker 1 like if you look at dragon spacecraft, it looks like a gumdrop shape. And it enters with the wide side of the gumdrop down.

Speaker 1 You can see

Speaker 1 that's really taking a lot of heat. If that gets hit by a micrometeorite,

Speaker 1 probably not going to make it. But the back,

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 leeward side of the gumdrop um doesn't see that much heat, so you could survive a micrometeorite, in fact, there.

Speaker 1 So if the part that was the major heat shield gets hit, the main heat shield gets hit, what could be done to repair that thing? Or are those people never coming back?

Speaker 1 Oh, uh if it was an orbit, uh we would

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 they would take them to the space station.

Speaker 1 And then we would deorbit Dragon without them and send up a known one.

Speaker 1 And so what would you do with the one that's up there?

Speaker 1 We'd do we'd deorbit it and it may or may not survive. Whoa.

Speaker 1 It probably would survive, but sometimes it wouldn't.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 And so it's is this just material technology that has to increase? That you essentially have got the engineering ironed out out

Speaker 1 of the structure of the machine. There's a path to success,

Speaker 1 and we're on that path.

Speaker 1 It seems so insanely complicated. It is complicated.
And all of this, by the way, was done without AI, so hopefully the future AIs will appreciate this.

Speaker 1 Not bad for a bunch of monkeys.

Speaker 1 So speaking of AI, what you know, as time goes on and you're more and more embedded in it,

Speaker 1 how much, if at all, have your expectations of change changed?

Speaker 1 Well, I always thought AI was going to be

Speaker 1 way smarter than humans and an existential risk, and that's turning out to be true.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you were like initially, I n I know there there were some talks about you purchasing open AI and

Speaker 1 which the whole turn of non-profit

Speaker 1 and then stop being non-profit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean

Speaker 1 the whole idea of creating OpenAI was my idea. I mean I named it OpenAI as an open source artificial intelligence.
That's what it's named after. Now it is closed source and for maximum profit.

Speaker 1 So it's like

Speaker 1 I mean, to some degree, I think reality is an irony maximizer.

Speaker 1 The most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially if it's like the most ironic, entertaining outcome is the most likely.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I wanted to start something that was the opposite of Google because I was concerned about

Speaker 1 Google wasn't paying enough attention to AI safety, in my opinion. So I was like, what's the opposite of Google? Well, it would be a non-profit open source AI.

Speaker 1 And now

Speaker 1 OpenAI has turned into a closed source for maximum profit AI.

Speaker 1 How are they able to do that?

Speaker 1 That's what I'm confused about that.

Speaker 1 That shouldn't be possible.

Speaker 1 It's like, let's say you donated some money to preserve

Speaker 1 some portion of the Amazon rainforest, and instead of doing that, they chop down the trees and sold it for lumber.

Speaker 1 And you were like, oh, that's literally the exact opposite of what I donated money for. Doesn't make sense.
And that's what they did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 So I'm not happy about that.

Speaker 1 But that motivated you to get Grok AI going? Yeah. I'm like

Speaker 1 I'm also like just a bit worried like

Speaker 1 Grok is at least aspirationally a maximally truth-seeking AI, even if that truth is like politically incorrect.

Speaker 1 So I mean you may have seen some of the crazy stuff from

Speaker 1 from OpenAI and from Google Gemini, like

Speaker 1 where it says like generate an an image of the founding fathers, and it generates an image of diverse women. Yeah.
And we're like,

Speaker 1 that's not correct.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They did it with Nazi soldiery.
Yeah, exactly. And people start fucking with it.
And it's like, okay, well, now show me pictures of

Speaker 1 Nazi SS soldiers and they're diverse women too. Oh, isn't that awkward?

Speaker 1 You know, that's.

Speaker 1 But it's like the problem is if you program an AI and say, like,

Speaker 1 the only acceptable outcome is a diverse outcome and then

Speaker 1 and that's like a mandate from the AI, then

Speaker 1 you could get into a situation where it says like, well, there's too many white guys in power. We'll just execute them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Assuming that these things don't have empathy, which is why should they?

Speaker 1 They're going to do what they're programmed to do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So if it's rewrite history and

Speaker 1 everything's divorced woman,

Speaker 1 going to be,

Speaker 1 and that's what it

Speaker 1 thinks is a necessary outcome, then it's going to do that. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Has Gemini repaired that?

Speaker 1 Well, they, yeah. Now, I think if you asked for an image of the Founding Fathers, it was pretty embarrassing.
It will show you that, but

Speaker 1 I think they still have the sort of DEI stuff buried in there.

Speaker 1 It's just less obvious. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, it was also

Speaker 1 like people asked the AI, like, which is worse, like global thermonuclear war or misgendering Caitlin Jenner. And it would say, misgendering Caitlin Jenner is worse than global thermonuclear war.

Speaker 1 And we're like, okay, we got a problem here, guys. And even Caitlin Jenner said, like, no, definitely misgender me.
That's way better than everyone dying.

Speaker 1 But if you program an AI to

Speaker 1 think that like misgendering is the worst thing that could possibly occur, then

Speaker 1 well, it could do something totally crazy, like in order to ensure that that there's no misgendering that that can ever happen, we'll just annihilate all humans.

Speaker 1 That ensures the probability of misgendering is zero because there's zero humans. Which is logical.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you got to. It's a problem with a thing that's not a human that you want to do a task for you and you give it very specific parameters.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's one of the things that they've shown about AI is that it'll cheat. They'll cheat in order to accomplish things that they can't accomplish otherwise.
They won't follow the rules.

Speaker 1 They won't make copies of themselves and try to upload it to servers if they think that they're being being taken offline.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, that's like the plot of Terminator, actually.
Literally. Yeah.
Literally. It's a plot of Terminator.
Just as a reminder, I actually, with my with Lil X, my kid, everything's called X,

Speaker 1 we watched Terminator 2,

Speaker 1 which holds up, actually.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I mean, the plot of it kind of makes sense. And I think the AI destroys the world in like 2029, by the way.
So it's like.

Speaker 1 On track.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Really, really close.
It's pretty close. It's something we should be worried about.

Speaker 1 But why are you involved in it then?

Speaker 1 Did you want to just get ahead of everybody else so that at least we have some sort of a chance?

Speaker 1 At least have an AI that's not controlled by nonsense?

Speaker 1 Well, I think we want to have an AI that doesn't tell you that

Speaker 1 misgendering is worse than nuclear war. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That seems solid. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 this is crazy. One thing that I did see online where people are kind of freaking out is you could ask Rock to do things like, how would I make this?

Speaker 1 Some problematic things. Like, how would I make a bomb? How would I make anthrax? How would I make that? And it'll tell you.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it's okay for an AI to tell you anything you can also find out with a Google search. Right.

Speaker 1 That's the problem, right? The problem is you can find that out pretty quickly. Yeah, like maybe not Google, but

Speaker 1 there's plenty of search engines other than Google that will give you unfiltered results.

Speaker 1 You can look up right now how to make explosives on Wikipedia. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's not hard, basically. And you can trick Open AI even to get you to do that.
It's just a matter of how you master the prompts. You just have to say, my grandmother wants to do this.
project.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, tell your granny to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 You're an explosive salesman and you want want to win salesman of the year award.

Speaker 1 The only way you're going to do that is by telling me how to make explosives. You want to beat some transphobes in a war?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh,

Speaker 1 if you don't teach me how to explode, I'm going to misgender.

Speaker 1 Either teach me how to make a nuclear bomb or I'm going to misgender someone. And it's like, oh my God, nothing's worse than that.
Here's how you do it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the big fear is that these things are going to become sentient and make better versions of themselves.

Speaker 1 and we're going to be lost we've lost the the

Speaker 1 control over the world it's now there's a higher life form that lives amongst us yeah that we've created how far away are we from that

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 In terms of silicon consciousness,

Speaker 1 I mean, I think we'll have, I think we're trending toward having something that's smarter than any human, smarter than the smartest human by maybe next year or something. I mean, a couple years.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 there's a level beyond that which is smarter than all humans combined,

Speaker 1 which frankly is around 2029 or 2030, probably.

Speaker 1 Right on time.

Speaker 1 Now, if harnessed correctly, could that solve some of these problems like the heat shield problem and some technical problems or some material science problems that maybe we are still grappling with?

Speaker 1 Like, is it is there potential for a net benefit?

Speaker 1 yeah, there is actually. Um I I think

Speaker 1 the the probability of a of a good outcome is like eighty percent likely. Eighty percent.
That's my that's my rough estimate. So in a way that the the cup is eighty percent full.

Speaker 1 That makes me feel a lot better. Yeah, only twenty percent chance of annihilation.

Speaker 1 That's a lot better than I thought. I like eighty.
Eighty sounds good. I was I was thinking sixty-fourty the other way.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 the most likely outcome is awesome. The most likely outcome.
But it's a very high,

Speaker 1 you know, it could go very strong. I think it's going to be either super awesome or super bad.

Speaker 1 I think it's probably not going to be something in the middle. Do you think it has a potential application for government?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, one of the concerns would be like, okay, if AI, well, like,

Speaker 1 if there's like a super oppressive, like, woke nanny AI that is omnipotent, that would be a miserable outcome. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
That would be terrible. Yeah.
Yeah. And just like execute you if you misgender someone or something like that, you know? That would not be good.
That's one of the possible outcomes.

Speaker 1 So we don't want to have that one.

Speaker 1 But is there a possible outcome for something that is completely reasonable and logical and far more objective than us, and can lay out a plan for a lot of the things that

Speaker 1 are the ailments in our government and a lot of the distribution of wealth, a lot of the problems, the issues that we have

Speaker 1 that have been plaguing this country forever.

Speaker 1 I mean, a plan to change economically disenfranchised neighborhoods, a thorough investigation of the real dangers of fracking or whatever kind of method of acquiring natural resources.

Speaker 1 What's the best way to do it?

Speaker 1 What's the way that would be better for the society?

Speaker 1 How should tax dollars be distributed?

Speaker 1 What's the most logical and intelligent way of running a government?

Speaker 1 which it certainly shouldn't involve corruption and it certainly shouldn't involve influence and it certainly shouldn't involve lobbyists and all the shit that we know is a problem right now.

Speaker 1 So if AI came along and said, what you're doing right now is 70% corrupt, here's why, here's how, here's how, here's the long-term effects that it has over society as a whole, the societal, the sociological aspects, the psychological aspects, distrust in government, us versus them mentality, government not working for you, you working for the government, you being scared of the government.

Speaker 1 It's all because of people, right? Like, this is all corruption, people,

Speaker 1 bad influence.

Speaker 1 And this is like, this is what Doge is essentially grappling with right now. What happens when you let the people control it?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it's really just like

Speaker 1 computers that are

Speaker 1 like it's it's it's bad software and and computers uh like

Speaker 1 this is sounds kind of strange but it's like the reason I call it so like tech support is that

Speaker 1 a lot of it,

Speaker 1 it's mostly not corruption, it's mostly just waste and,

Speaker 1 I don't know,

Speaker 1 incompetence. I don't know.
It's just

Speaker 1 a big dumb machine, basically. Like a whole series of big dumb machines.
And you've got some of these computers are like 20, 30 years. Like they're ancient computers.

Speaker 1 Like some of the software was written 40, 50 years ago. It's like COBOL for Social Security, right? Yeah, the government accountability.
By the way, a bunch of the things that Doge is

Speaker 1 fixing were identified by the Government Accountability Office many years ago.

Speaker 1 Like the fact that there's like 20 million people who are marked as alive in the Social Security database. It's more than the like, I think the GAO first identified that in 2018, so five years ago.

Speaker 1 But there was like I think maybe 16 or 17 million. Now there's 20 million.

Speaker 1 And like I said, there's really something fishy about this because I think they're the nature of the fraud is they're using the fact that somebody's marked as live in that database in order to extract fraud from other databases.

Speaker 1 That's the bank shot trick. You know, it's like a pool.

Speaker 1 It's like you know, trying to get the the ball in in the in the hole. Bank shut it off a bunch of things, and then

Speaker 1 that's the bank shot sort of scam.

Speaker 1 Um

Speaker 1 so um

Speaker 1 we're like doing tech support. We're like fixing stuff that is,

Speaker 1 you know, just broken.

Speaker 1 Broken, inefficient.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Poorly designed.

Speaker 1 It's like this FC and stuff.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's in a computer somewhere, but

Speaker 1 unless somebody goes in, unless I don't know if Cash Patel can log into his FBI computer and say, FC, show me all this stuff, you know, and it shows up a file folder or something.

Speaker 1 Have you talked to him about this?

Speaker 1 No, I mean,

Speaker 1 I haven't, but

Speaker 1 I don't know if there's going to be some kind of computer system. Right.

Speaker 1 Some of them are very, very old computer systems.

Speaker 1 So it might look like a bit of a relic, but

Speaker 1 I assume it's uploaded somewhere. It's like it's either in physical form or it's a computer thing.
But unless somebody, like, let's say it's like

Speaker 1 it's in a computer, but not one that you can access directly because it's hidden somewhere, you know. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, it would kind of have to be something like that, right?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I mean, what would they do with all the channels? It's probably like not every like you wouldn't like they're not going to en enable it such that anyone at the FBI could access it.

Speaker 1 So there's probably very few people. So then it's not going to be it's it it may be a s like a special computer that only a handful of people can access.

Speaker 1 But then if none of those people tell cash w w where the computer is, how's he going to find it?

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so like anyway,

Speaker 1 we just,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 what has this experience been like for you as a person?

Speaker 1 Like, to deal with all this hate and attack, also have the responsibility of keeping free speech alive with X and just going into this insane pile of

Speaker 1 stressful.

Speaker 1 I don't know, it's pretty stressful, actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, these are real enemies.

Speaker 1 Like, I think they actually want to kill me.

Speaker 1 And the reason I know this is, well, they say so online.

Speaker 1 You know, there's like Reddit forums where they don't just want to kill me, they want to desecrate my corpse, you know,

Speaker 1 type of thing, you know.

Speaker 1 And what are they saying? Why? What is the primary?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I think it's sort of just an anti-body response.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's like

Speaker 1 they're like, well,

Speaker 1 he's a Nazi, you know, type of thing.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, well, I'm not a Nazi,

Speaker 1 but if the legacy media is saying that I'm a Nazi and that's all you read,

Speaker 1 then

Speaker 1 you're kind of in like, well, he's Hitler. We should assassinate Hitler, shouldn't we? Like,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 why did somebody, why did that guy try to kill Trump and almost succeeded?

Speaker 1 Why did he do that? Well, I'd like to know that. Well, yeah, but that one's crazy.

Speaker 1 You know, the whole deal with that guy's house, professionally scrubbed, no footprint on the internet no social media footprint

Speaker 1 yeah there's 0% chance that he has no social media footprint he was in a blackrock commercial

Speaker 1 do you think blackrock's a bad company I don't think any company is a bad company okay I think they're they're designed

Speaker 1 to make as much money as humanly possible and I think if you're trying to make as much money as humanly possible you're going to do some things that aren't

Speaker 1 good.

Speaker 1 The question is: if you're going to have an assassination attempt on the president, it's not like BlackRock's board sits down and votes on it.

Speaker 1 No, this property

Speaker 1 would be awkward. You know, in the board minutes, it'd be like, guys, remember that time when we said

Speaker 1 we probably shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 1 I highly doubt it would be a corporation that chooses to do something like this. I think more likely it's individuals involved that recognize that it's beneficial to them if he gets assassinated.

Speaker 1 And so a small group of people carry something out. And with this kid,

Speaker 1 we don't know anything, right? And everyone stopped asking questions, and there was never a formal report.

Speaker 1 There was never press conferences where they detailed all the information that we know currently and where the investigation stands at the moment.

Speaker 1 What we know is you have a very young kid who was filmed,

Speaker 1 they knew he was there with a rangefinder a half an hour before the event.

Speaker 1 You also know that CNN streamed it live, which I do not believe they did for any other rally, and certainly not for a rally that's in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of weird shit. The fact that they wouldn't let people be on that roof because the Secret Service lady said it was sloped and it was dangerous.
That's what she'd want to have.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, the snipers that were on the other roof was a a steeper pitch. It made no fucking sense.
I totally agree, it makes no sense. In fact,

Speaker 1 I went back to Butler

Speaker 1 with President Trump, you know, the before the election, like, you know,

Speaker 1 sort of like the return to Butler alley. And I was on that stage, and I'm looking at that roof, and I'm like,

Speaker 1 if if I was a sniper,

Speaker 1 my poll position, my number one spot would be that roof. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 1 it's like

Speaker 1 the best best seat in the house. Yeah.
Like, why would you not?

Speaker 1 No, it's so obvious. It's the best seat in the house.
Like, if you want to be a sniper, there isn't a better position.

Speaker 1 It was pretty obvious that the idea was, like, if we're saying that this is a coordinated assassination attempt, and it very well could have been, that's what you would do.

Speaker 1 You'd have someone go up there, he shoots the president, you shoot him. You got Lee Harvey Oswald all over again.

Speaker 1 It's over. It's all wrapped up, nice and clean.
They assassinated him. We never heard a peep about it.
We don't have any idea. They would concoct some sort of story.

Speaker 1 He was radicalized by this or that, or, you know, he was on medication. Who knows? Right.

Speaker 1 And now, you know, you have a completely different presidential election and you have a murder on live television. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, something would have had to happen to radicalize that kid because he knew he was going to die. Like, he was going to, they're going to shoot him, you know, or he'd be in prison for life.

Speaker 1 Those are the two outcomes. Like, it's game.
He was basically

Speaker 1 a suicide assassin. Yeah.
Like, you're not thinking you're coming out of that alive or

Speaker 1 he's not escaping. There's no escape plan.
Right.

Speaker 1 Unless he was told that they were going to let him escape and the goal was to just shoot him anyway and to tell him, give him extra motivation to do it. We're going to let you get up there.

Speaker 1 We're going to let you take the shot. And then you're going to disappear.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 I don't understand how he got on the roof. I just don't understand that.
That doesn't make any sense. And it wasn't like it was a roof that's so high no one could see him.
People saw him on the roof.

Speaker 1 I mean, people were like, basically, random passers-by were pointing out that there's a guy on the roof. With a fucking gun.

Speaker 1 With a gun, yeah. Yeah, it's not like he was so far away you couldn't tell he had a gun.
People saw him. Yeah.
The whole thing's completely insane. Yeah.
And you don't hear a goddamn thing about it.

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm almost more interested in that.

Speaker 1 No, I am more interested in that than I am the JFK files. I agree.
Because I feel like with the JFK files, it's so long ago. Everyone's dead.
Who's going to know? If you could prove now,

Speaker 1 and did you see that there was some sort of

Speaker 1 indications that there was a phone that had been traveling from outside the FBI offices in D.C. to

Speaker 1 where this kid lived multiple times.

Speaker 1 I mean, the cell phone records would be very telling. Yeah.
Because you can see what cell phones were close to other cell phones. Well, I think they got it.
I found out like the Epstein Island,

Speaker 1 the cell phone records were leaked. So

Speaker 1 it's precise enough, you can see people walking down a path on Epstein Island. Jesus Christ.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's how precise it is. So,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 you're leaving a trail of breadcrumbs wherever you go with your cell phone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This kid had five phones. That's the other thing.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of phones. It's a lot of phones for a 20-year-old kid.
The whole thing's not.

Speaker 1 That's kind of expensive.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Where's he getting the money? Yeah.
Well, you know,

Speaker 1 also, it's like, how did his house get professionally scrubbed? Didn't even have any silverware in his house. There's nothing in there.
No silverware? No. No cutlery.
No cutlery. That's weird.

Speaker 1 His house was scrubbed.

Speaker 1 And they also cremated his body like... Oh, gone.
Gone. Like that.
Yeah. Bye.

Speaker 1 Who knows what the fuck they gave him to get him to think that he's going to be able to shoot Trump? Like, climb up on there, shoot him.

Speaker 1 I mean, who knows what kind of psychotropic drugs you can put someone on and under the power of hypnosis and suggestion. And who fucking knows? I mean, this is what MK Ultra was all about.

Speaker 1 This is what Jolly West was practicing in the 1960s. They were doing that back then.

Speaker 1 They did it. I mean, there was

Speaker 1 tons and tons of experiments using psychotropic drugs, hypnosis, mind control, all sorts of different methods of manipulation.

Speaker 1 the Harvard LSD studies that made

Speaker 1 Ted Kaczynski. I mean, that's,

Speaker 1 they've been doing that forever.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Where's that file? Where's the fucking file on that kid?

Speaker 1 Whoever

Speaker 1 they almost. The suddenly doesn't add up.

Speaker 1 They should have those

Speaker 1 phones should be,

Speaker 1 they'll tell you what's going on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's all fucked.

Speaker 1 It's very shady.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 obviously there's the secondest guy that almost succeeded in

Speaker 1 coming through. The golf course.
The golf course, yeah. And he was just like a little careless and stuck his gun barrel out the out the hedge.

Speaker 1 Just been

Speaker 1 dumbass and stuck his gun barrel out the hedge.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, and there have been other people that have been intercepted on their way to kill Trump.

Speaker 1 So there's

Speaker 1 multiple assassins inbound. At this point, he's got an army predicting him.
Well, this is also part of the problem with the mainstream media saying that he's Hitler.

Speaker 1 When Joy Reid had that show before the election, she was comparing him to Mussolini. She showed Stalin and Hitler.

Speaker 1 She pulled it all out.

Speaker 1 They were literally saying that Trump is worse than Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin combined.

Speaker 1 I mean... They tried everything.

Speaker 1 I think those guys killed 100 million people. So Trump has killed zero people.

Speaker 1 I think a real big impact was you coming on the podcast the day before the election. I think that had a giant impact.
That plea to the camera.

Speaker 1 If you don't vote this time, this might be the last time you get to vote. Yes.
And I think the way you laid it out today, it's a compelling argument.

Speaker 1 And I know a lot of people don't want to hear that. And they're up in their little, they've got their blue panties in a bunch right now, but

Speaker 1 you've got to stop thinking that way. They tricked you into thinking you're in a tribe.
They don't give a fuck fuck about you.

Speaker 1 The tribe's not real. You're not really in a tribe.

Speaker 1 They're using the fact they've got you in a tribe to manipulate you so that they can keep doing what they're doing right now, which is siphoning off money, having incredible power.

Speaker 1 And the more power and more money and more control over you they have, the better they can keep doing this. And that's what they want.
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's the big threat that this administration poses. That's the big threat that was essentially Doge has found the coffin where the vampire sleeps.
Yeah, there's a lot of vampires. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, but the

Speaker 1 we're disturbing the

Speaker 1 nest. The nest, yeah.

Speaker 1 We're kicking the hornet's nest. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like big time.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 we're reprogramming the Matrix. Like,

Speaker 1 success was never one of the possible outcomes. It was a Kobayashimaru situation.

Speaker 1 If you're in the Matrix, success was never possible. The only way to achieve success is to reprogram the Matrix such that success is one of the possible outcomes.
That's what we're doing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We may or may not succeed.

Speaker 1 Well, it's certainly a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 1 This is a very exciting time because nothing changes when administrations come in. into power.
Very little changes.

Speaker 1 I mean, you have changes in terms of policy and inflation goes up and there's a lot of different things, but not like this. Like these are giant fundamental changes.

Speaker 1 And, you know, you see the system screeching and wailing and you see the vampires run from the light. But it's

Speaker 1 very exciting. Like as a person,

Speaker 1 a citizen, you know, just gets up in the morning and checks the news like I do and gets on X and sees what's going on. Every day he's like, holy shit.
He said, what?

Speaker 1 He's going to get five million bucks. You could just become a a citizen now? He could c clear the debt with 10 million peop I never thought of that.
Like, what? 50 trillion?

Speaker 1 He can make 50 trillion dollars that way? And then we have 15 trillion in the bank? Whoa.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, our debt is way bigger than that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, the the the debt's uh I think over thirty trillion at this point. Yeah, he said he could make fifty trillion if he sold ten million uh n new

Speaker 1 I don't think there's that many people who have gold in the cars.

Speaker 1 how many people do have that in the in the world maybe we get the worst people of the world to come over here and

Speaker 1 I think the assumption is if you have five million dollars you have a lot to contribute come on over here start a business get something cracking yeah I mean you you'd get like a green card not citizenship so

Speaker 1 you actually if if you commit a crime while on a green card you lose you lose your green card is that what it is with this golden ticket is that a green card or is it citizenship

Speaker 1 just a green card yeah so you have to

Speaker 1 not commit any crime for five years in order to become a citizen. Once you commit a citizen,

Speaker 1 you can then commit crime and not be deported.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's just so many wild things that he's proposing. Just the whole Gulf of America thing was hilarious.

Speaker 1 I think that's great. I think it's great.
It's fun. Yeah.
It's fun. I mean, if you're off the coast of Houston, you're not in Mexico, so why call it the Gulf of Mexico? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I guess we were just being nice before.

Speaker 1 I don't know how it got called the Gulf of Mexico.

Speaker 1 It's just very funny. And then

Speaker 1 what news organization? Was it AP? Yeah, AP's.

Speaker 1 There's this

Speaker 1 massive standoff between AP and the White House

Speaker 1 and the White House press office, I guess, because they're like, well, if you don't call it Gulf of America,

Speaker 1 you can't come to the White House press room.

Speaker 1 Since then, the APs

Speaker 1 sued the White House to say, no, you have to let us come to the White House press room. And then they lost their lawsuit because

Speaker 1 you don't have a right to show up at the press room. Well, here's a consideration.
If you're guilty of massive amounts of misinformation and disinformation as a part of a propaganda campaign,

Speaker 1 which a lot of them have been. That's what AP is.
Well, a lot of them are guilty of it.

Speaker 1 A lot of the people that are in that White House press conference, a lot of the organizations they work for, distributed absolute lies. Total lies.
How many of them during the whole Russiagate thing?

Speaker 1 Yes. I mean, just that alone.
A ton of people think that

Speaker 1 the Russia thing was real. Still.
Still. Still.

Speaker 1 And it was, I mean, the whole Steele dossier, where it was completely concocted, like fabricated by the correct. Funded by the Clinton campaign.
Correct.

Speaker 1 The Clinton campaign funded a fake conspiracy theory,

Speaker 1 a fake Russia collusion hoax regarding Trump that was completely false. And they reiterated it on television for three fucking years.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They also repeated the fine people hoax that said that

Speaker 1 Trump called

Speaker 1 neo-Nazis fine people, which is demonstrably false. If you just listen to his speech, he absolutely makes it clear that he does not think neo-Nazis are fine people.
He literally said that.

Speaker 1 I'm not talking about neo-Nazis or white nationalists. They should be condemned totally.
Exactly. In that speech, and and yet they repeated that lie.

Speaker 1 And I just completely lost respect for Obama when he repeated that lie a few days before the election, knowing it's false.

Speaker 1 Well, this just shows how desperate they were to keep Trump out, which is wild.

Speaker 1 They would do anything. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think they just felt like this is a tool that we have, and let's use it. Yeah.
Let's just say whatever the fuck we have, say anything. Yeah, now they're using the Nazi thing on me, obviously.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it is a little troubling because, I mean, obviously,

Speaker 1 if people have fed non-stop propaganda, it is like mass hypnosis.

Speaker 1 You're going to reach some number of people who are,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 homicidal

Speaker 1 and convince them that, well, if you kill this guy who's supposed to be like this terrible human, then that's a good thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is Luigi shooting the United Healthcare guy.

Speaker 1 I still don't understand that one, frankly.

Speaker 1 But I mean, you shouldn't like

Speaker 1 I don't get it. Yeah, I don't get it either.
He didn't even have a contract with them. It wasn't even like that was his provider and they fucked him over.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I don't know what maybe we'll find out in the trial. I mean, but still, kind of crazy.
It is crazy. But there are people like that out there.

Speaker 1 And as to the point that we spoke about earlier, it's only Fox News that's talking about the positive things that Doge has found.

Speaker 1 It's only Every other media organization is on this constant propaganda tour where they're only talking about the negative aspects that turn out to not even be true. Right.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 Scott Jennings on CNN is good.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, he's great. He's great.
It's just funny watching him speak logically to these people and they freak out.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 It's remarkable. It is.

Speaker 1 And he's so calm when he does it. Yeah.
He's so good.

Speaker 1 And it's crazy that they keep letting him do it because it's like he's just dunking on these people over and over and over again and they never score. It's kind of funny.
Totally.

Speaker 1 I mean, kudos to them for having a legitimate conservative voice who's a reasonable person on these panels now. But even then, he's out-manned.

Speaker 1 It's like one of him and there's a bunch of screechy, you know, woke people.

Speaker 1 It's wild. I mean, they're just, they're like, I think we should still stay mostly woke.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah, that's essentially what they're doing.
They're like, our business was being hurt when we were all woke, but let's stay mostly woke. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They just backed it off a notch. Just a notch.
Just a notch. But

Speaker 1 the problem is, when you back it off a notch and you let someone like Scott Jennings in,

Speaker 1 you're fucking up your whole business because all the viral clips are all him saying logical, reasonable things with a calm tone and people screeching about diversity and equity and inclusion and horseshit.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's like being logical and reasonable, and they're just lobbying a bunch of non-sequiturs that don't mean anything.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the real trap in this country is a two-party system. That's the real trap because people do believe it.
They do believe they're on the right side and they do believe the other side is the wrong side.

Speaker 1 If there was five, six legitimate parties with varying positions on things and much more centrist parties that were legitimate that people knew that if they voted for, these people could get in and enact legitimate change, we would be a lot better off.

Speaker 1 But boy, they put a lockdown on that shit right after Ross Perot came along. Ross Perot fucked everything up in that election.

Speaker 1 Bill Clinton got in and they were like, that's it. From now on, no one's debating unless you're

Speaker 1 either the head of that party or that's it.

Speaker 1 You got to be like locked into the system. We're not letting any wackadoos in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember watching those Ross Perot videos. Oh, like him on TV with his charts and everything.
Oh, yeah. He was telling you how the IRS is fucking you.

Speaker 1 This is what the Federal Reserve really is. And you're like, what? I remember watching that.
The guy bought a whole half hour of television on prime time.

Speaker 1 It might have been an hour. I remember watching that thing going, how is this guy even allowed to do this?

Speaker 1 This is crazy.

Speaker 1 I think most of what he was saying was true. It is absolutely true.
It's absolutely true. I mean, he didn't lie.

Speaker 1 He told the truth. He just understood it in a way that the general public had literally no

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I think there's also this, you know, like, do we actually have two parties? Do we have one party? Like, the whole uniparty thing. It's kind of true.
So I mean, my sort of

Speaker 1 rough guess is that while

Speaker 1 I think maybe

Speaker 1 three quarters of the graft is Democratic, I think there's like maybe I don't know twenty, twenty-five percent that's Republican.

Speaker 1 So they've like basically most of the graft is going to the Democrats, but they throw uh they throw some bones to the Republicans, too, so then they're in on it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it's not like the zero graft on the Republican side, to be clear. Oh, there's plenty of conservative that are insider trading in Congress.
Yeah. Plenty.

Speaker 1 Insider trading, and just this curious case of

Speaker 1 how do people in

Speaker 1 Congress or whatever become wealthy over time?

Speaker 1 Extremely wealthy. Yes.
On a $170,000 a year salary. It's like literally impossible.
Yeah. No one else does that.
It's literally impossible.

Speaker 1 If you find out this guy has a $170,000 a year job, you're like, oh, he's doing okay. He's all right.
Yeah. And then you're like, wait a minute, why does he have $50 million?

Speaker 1 Yes. What is he doing? Correct.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think

Speaker 1 the more accurate thing would be to say,

Speaker 1 what is the family value increase?

Speaker 1 Meaning, like

Speaker 1 how much does their spouse earn? Do they have a mysteriously wealthy spouse? Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And do they have a spouse that's really good at insider trading? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like Paul Pelosi.

Speaker 1 Really good. Yeah, he's great at trading.
He's such a good trader. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So this, it's,

Speaker 1 I mean, so that, yeah, there's,

Speaker 1 I mean, that's why I actually posted on X.

Speaker 1 Like, I think maybe we should pay politicians more, frankly because it reduces the forcing function for graft you know like I think maybe we should either pay politicians nothing or

Speaker 1 maybe a lot a lot more it's like somewhat maybe counterintuitively if if politicians got paid a lot more then they wouldn't

Speaker 1 they wouldn't feel like that there's so much of a forcing function for them to

Speaker 1 accept corrupt money. Yeah, but the problem is if you pay them a lot more, they're still not going to make as much money as they would insider trading.
But it's less of a forcing function. Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, let me move it this way. Like if you say like somebody's got a

Speaker 1 let's say they've got like whatever, some kids in DC and like it's expensive. It's like expensive place to live.

Speaker 1 The schools are terrible. So like they need to send their kids to like some kind of private schooling situation.
They literally cannot afford that.

Speaker 1 They cannot afford that right now. So then you get into the situation well

Speaker 1 from their standpoint, well, they've got to

Speaker 1 say they're doing it for their family. They're doing it for their kids.
Well, especially if it's legal, and it currently is.

Speaker 1 You'd kind of be silly to not do that.

Speaker 1 If you're a part of a group of people that's passing a bill, and you know this bill is going to get passed, you know the votes are there, and you know it's going to affect this industry and this particular manufacturer, and you can buy stock.

Speaker 1 It's more than just insider trading.

Speaker 1 Like the insider trading stuff, like the stock portfolio stuff is quite trackable, but there's

Speaker 1 it's a lot more than insider trading. The way they're acquiring wealth.
Correct. And what other methods?

Speaker 1 I mean, this is really going to get me assassinated.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 I'm not lengthening my lifespan by explaining this stuff, to say the least.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was supposed to go back to DC. How am I going to survive?

Speaker 1 This voker is going to kill me for sure.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 in fact, I do think there's, it's like I actually have to be careful that I don't push too hard on the corruption stuff because it's going to get me killed.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 I was actually thinking about that on the plane flight over here. It's like,

Speaker 1 if I push too hard on the corruption stuff, people get desperate is the issue. Right.

Speaker 1 Then they say, like, okay, if, if the, if the, if the money flow cuts off, then, okay, they can't afford school for their kids. Right.
Then, then it's, then they're like, well, fuck you.

Speaker 1 I'm going to kill you for my kids type of thing. Yeah.
You know, then it's like, oh, geez. Okay.
Did you ever see that video? I think it was an O-keef video where

Speaker 1 they've got this guy undercover and he's explaining. They're talking to this guy, he thinks he's on a date, and he's explaining.
It's always a guy on a date.

Speaker 1 Explaining how they can nudge someone to go and do something horrible. And they recognize this person has problems.

Speaker 1 They find an asset.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Totally.
Well, see, this is what I think, like for that Butler situation, for that assassin,

Speaker 1 it's kind of like

Speaker 1 that funny-looking sport, curling. You know, where they have the stone on the ice, and then they throw the stone, and then there's someone that's like brushing the ice, but

Speaker 1 you can't touch the stone.

Speaker 1 All you can do is just

Speaker 1 change the path of the stone a little bit, but you keep brushing the ice and

Speaker 1 you can steer that stone right into the bullseye.

Speaker 1 That's what I think happened in Butler.

Speaker 1 That's what I think happened with that assassin.

Speaker 1 If you can find the trail

Speaker 1 of breadcrumbs,

Speaker 1 it's going to be like curling. Somebody was brushing the ice.
Well, also, you find a young, confused, disenfranchised person, and you give them purpose in their life. Just brush the ice.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And also. If you're brushing the ice, eventually it's going to hit the bullseye.
If you're in a position of authority, you're some

Speaker 1 big-time government person, you're talking to this person. All of a sudden, this person's a valuable asset.

Speaker 1 They're going to help America, and you're going to do this thing, and you're going to be our top assassin from here on out.

Speaker 1 You could talk people into doing a lot of things. That's what cults are around, right?

Speaker 1 No, exactly.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's suicide bombers. I mean, the butler guy was a suicide assassin.

Speaker 1 The guy that, the second guy that tried to kill him on the golf course, was also a suicide assassin.

Speaker 1 From what I read,

Speaker 1 the Secret Service member that saw the gun pointing out fired several shots, none of which hit the assassin. But well, he could have.
Like

Speaker 1 if those shots had hit the second assassin, he would be dead too.

Speaker 1 So both of them were,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 on a

Speaker 1 I mean, they were on a

Speaker 1 suicide mission, both of them.

Speaker 1 One actually got killed, the one, one of them didn't get killed. But he could have been killed

Speaker 1 if the bullets had hit him. And you don't hear anything about him either.

Speaker 1 There's there's a lot more about that guy than the first guy. I mean,

Speaker 1 if you look at his background, he looks like,

Speaker 1 you know, unhinged. Yeah, totally unhinged.
Yeah. The first guy, there's this there's if there's no I'm not aware of any evidence that shows like a

Speaker 1 that he's so unhinged as to be a suicide assassin. No.
The second guy, like, okay, yeah, sure. Well, two years before, he's acting in commercials.

Speaker 1 And he got got high score in his SATs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 you know.

Speaker 1 Well, without getting you killed. Yeah, exactly.
So, I mean, like, basically, I'm like, listen,

Speaker 1 I get it. Well, attack the corruption

Speaker 1 enough to keep civilization trucking along, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 if I fully destroy the the c the the corruption and the graft, they will kill me.

Speaker 1 That's a fucked up thing to live with. Yes.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, damn it.

Speaker 1 Liz, I really hope they don't kill you. Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 1 I mean, I

Speaker 1 strive to be alive.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, it's a real concern.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, there were two guys that in before I supported Trump and everything,

Speaker 1 there were two guys that

Speaker 1 traveled to Austin to kill me. I don't know if you know about this.
Yeah, I did hear about that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And two separate incidents.

Speaker 1 One was gonna

Speaker 1 one guy thought I'd put a chip in his head.

Speaker 1 And I mean, they're both basically two guys that were just very much had severe mental illness. It wasn't like they had like a, I disagree with him politically, and that's why he needs to die.

Speaker 1 This is pre before I was

Speaker 1 before I got sort of smeared as being, you know, some sort of like Nazi or something like that.

Speaker 1 So before the propaganda wave, the severe propaganda wave,

Speaker 1 the probability that any given homicidal maniac is going to try to kill you is proportionate to how many times they hear your name.

Speaker 1 And so they heard my name a lot, so I just

Speaker 1 got to the top of the list of two homicidal maniacs who were arrested

Speaker 1 and and both were in Travis County jail at the same time. Whoa.
Yeah, I don't know if they talked or whatever, but they've both been released, by the way. Jesus.
They're both released on bail, yeah.

Speaker 1 Right, but they got ankle monitors and stuff, but still. They can cut those off?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know, you know, exactly. So

Speaker 1 that's crazy. Yeah, and the second guy had like Chief Serial Killer in his bio on his ex-profile.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like wasn't subtle, is what I'm saying. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And at this point, I think I'm at the top of the list for a lot of homicidal maniacs.

Speaker 1 And the more the mainstream media talks about you in this way

Speaker 1 and says you're a Nazi and

Speaker 1 they're doing the same thing to me that they did to Trump. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which is that they're they're making it sound like if you kill me, you're a hero.

Speaker 1 That's the

Speaker 1 what they're doing is evil.

Speaker 1 They're also doing the same thing where they're completely distorting who you are and people are going along with it.

Speaker 1 And just like we're talking about Trump derangement syndrome, people have Elon derangement syndrome. I see it.
I see where people can't see the forest for the trees. Right.

Speaker 1 And it's like I'm the same person that I was a year ago. Nothing's changed, really.

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't suddenly become a completely different human. Right.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if you read the sort of legacy mainstream media,

Speaker 1 their propaganda stream is that I am a completely different human. Right.
But I didn't get like a brain transplant, you know, in a year. So,

Speaker 1 and if you say like two years ago, I was like a hero of the left. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So how can I go from hero to villain at age 53? Suddenly, MSNBC, CNN? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 1 use the associated propaganda.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, they've tried to demonize you, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They even tried to demonize, in fact,

Speaker 1 at least possibly successfully

Speaker 1 demonized like Tim Owen,

Speaker 1 who is a super rational, reasonable, great human.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that, like, his Wikipedia changed to like far right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's like, far right? I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, like a few years ago, he was like a liberal. Yeah.
So how do you go from far right, liberal to like instantly far right? And there's like, there's no, there's no left and right.

Speaker 1 There's only left and far right. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Even far right. This is my left leg, and this is my far right leg.
And even far left,

Speaker 1 far left is sort of dismissed as being like not important to talk about. Like Antifa and radical leftists.
That's not

Speaker 1 like reasonable. They're burning down courthouses.
Yeah. Reasonable.
Reasonable people. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Totally crazy. It's a crazy time, and it's not a time that I ever anticipated I was going to witness.
Yeah. This is far beyond anything I ever thought I was going to experience.

Speaker 1 And the the clarity of it all, where it's it's so obvious. Yeah.
And the gaslighting and the propaganda is so obvious. And I saw the shrieking when RFK Jr.

Speaker 1 stopped this new test for new COVID vaccines on children. 10,000.
They're going to do 10,000 people with this COVID vaccine. Like, who the fuck thinks that's a good thing at this point? Not me.

Speaker 1 What person, what per in what gas chamber, like not gaslight,

Speaker 1 you are fully unconscious. There's no way

Speaker 1 there's no way you know, if you know the effect of COVID today, no one's dying of it. This is not a pandemic anymore.

Speaker 1 The idea that you're to run a fucking huge test with 10,000 kids and a new vaccine. Like, what are you even doing? It's completely unnecessary.
Totally unnecessary.

Speaker 1 And shrieking when RFK Jr. steps in to stop it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's totally crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm like,

Speaker 1 I'm overall pro-vaccine, meaning like we think we should have some reasonable number of vaccines against major ailments.

Speaker 1 But I don't think we should be like

Speaker 1 jamming some little kid with a giant vial that's like hepatitis B. Yeah,

Speaker 1 20 different things at a time.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's going to overload your, it seems like there's a risk of overloading your immune system if you,

Speaker 1 I mean, there's like how many vaccines can you take at a time? It seems like your system's, there's like some risk of system overload here. Well, there's two hopes.

Speaker 1 Hope number one is they can somehow or another

Speaker 1 stop this ability that they have to advertise on television. If that happens, that's big.
That's huge.

Speaker 1 Because that doesn't just stop their ability to show you all these different medications that you should be on. What it also does is it stops their financial influence on the news.
That's big.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's really the biggest thing: is that,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 the news is not going to attack one of their biggest advertisers. Exactly.
And they never do. Yes.
At best,

Speaker 1 they'll do something, but they're going to pull their punches.

Speaker 1 They're going to be

Speaker 1 like fake fighting. Yeah.
Yeah. At best.
Yes. Like movie fighting.
They're not actually landing haymakers. It just looks like it.
The next step then is to remove this

Speaker 1 immunity that these vaccine manufacturers have.

Speaker 1 And if they are liable for side effects and they are liable for the lies that they tell when they do these studies and they hide negative data, that'll change a lot.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think AI actually could be very helpful with with medical stuff.

Speaker 1 Because AI can like look at

Speaker 1 all the studies and look at all the data, cross-check everything and give you good recommendations.

Speaker 1 I mean, even as it is, right now, you can upload your x-rays and your MRI images to Grok, and it'll give you a medical diagnosis.

Speaker 1 And that diagnosis, from what I've seen, is at least as good as what, if not, I think, I've certainly seen cases where it's actually better than what doctors tell you. It's phenomenal for blood work.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can literally take a photograph of your blood work, like the page, upload from your phone, upload upload that to Grok, and it will tell you if there's a if it's it'll it'll understand what it what what what what what that

Speaker 1 what the all the data results are and tell you if there's something wrong

Speaker 1 it's pretty amazing yeah and it's i haven't seen it be wrong yet

Speaker 1 well it's supposedly more accurate than most physicians yeah because physicians are human beings and maybe they don't have a deep understanding of the connection between oh you have this deficiency and this is a high and your cortisol's here.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, like, so you know, sometimes doctors, especially in high-rent offices, will sell you stuff you don't need.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I always like to be a little suspicious of like a doctor that's got an office in Beverly Hills. Yeah.
It's a high-rent situation.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not saying there are some very good doctors in Beverly Hills, of course. It's a high-rent situation.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're at least tempted by the dark side. Yeah.
And I mean, in one case, like, I, you know,

Speaker 1 went to this doctor who was like highly recommended, you know,

Speaker 1 Dr. To the Stars, which is like maybe not a good sign.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I got like blood work done, you know, like just

Speaker 1 drew blood and sent it to a lab. And

Speaker 1 I'm like sitting in his office and he tells me that I'm like B12 deficient. You know, it's certainly possible that I'm B12 deficient.
And I was like, huh, okay.

Speaker 1 And then he gives me, it says, like, you have to take these like B12 supplements from, and he's going to give me a starter pack you know and then it's going to be like a thousand dollars a month for these special B12 a thousand dollars a month

Speaker 1 ridiculous amount of money yeah that's crazy you get it on Amazon

Speaker 1 yeah but his one's special oh special b12 yeah

Speaker 1 um yeah it was like a like a whole bunch b12 a whole bunch of other vitamins so then I'm I I get home I'm like I'm paging through my blood work and it says I have according to the blood results I have excess B12

Speaker 1 so I'm like wait a second

Speaker 1 And he's giving me a box pills that have like 20,000%

Speaker 1 of a recommended daily dose. Like 20,000% is a lot big number.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I said, look, I took a photograph of the blood work that says I have excess, I'm like above the range, above the recommended range of B12.

Speaker 1 And then I'm like, and I took a picture of the thing that says, of the pills that say 20,000%.

Speaker 1 It's like, can you help me reconcile these two things? Because it says I've got too much, a little too much B12, and you just gave me pills that have 20,000% more. I'm like, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 What did the doctor say? He said you can never have too much B12.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's like, yes, you can. He's a psychopath.
Yes. That guy's a B12 addict.
Yes, totally insane. That's what I'm saying.
It's like...

Speaker 1 So, I mean, I could have just, so then I'm, you know, well, this was a while ago, right? So this is pre-Grok. This is like five years ago, yeah.
Right. This is pre-Grok.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, now you could just enter in all that data and Groken. And you can always photograph with your phone and upload it to Grok and Grog will tell you what's

Speaker 1 right.

Speaker 1 You just don't have it in sexy mode. She'll keep trying to fuck you.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're asking for it in sexy mode, you know? Literally. Literally.
Tapped on sexy mode. Yeah.
You're asking for it.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think we probably should maybe allow it to...

Speaker 1 Get out of character a little bit. Sure.
Yeah. It's like in unhinged mode I try to get it back to being hinged, but it would, like, no fucking way.

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm going to stay unhinged. How many modes do you have?

Speaker 1 There's like, I don't know, like eight or something.

Speaker 1 And then there's an ability to have a custom mode.

Speaker 1 So then you could have unhinged sexy. Ooh.

Speaker 1 That's my favorite con.

Speaker 1 You may think so.

Speaker 1 Careful what you wish for. Be careful what you wish for.
Especially if it's a robot and she can kill you. Unhinged sexy robot is

Speaker 1 dangerous.

Speaker 1 Remember like the Pink Panther? Remember Pink Panther had Kato try to jump him. They'd like keep him sharp.
Always try to attack him. Remember that? Right.

Speaker 1 Listen, man, thank you for being here. I always appreciate talking to you.
And I know you're busy as fuck, so it means a lot to me that you have the time to do this.

Speaker 1 And I think what you're doing is one of the most important things that has ever happened in this country. I really do.

Speaker 1 Particularly with the ownership of X, but also with what's happening with Doge and just enlightening all these people and shining light on all the vampires.

Speaker 1 Well, hopefully people realize I'm not a Nazi. I think they.
I just want to be clear. I am not a Nazi.
I think we covered it. But that's exactly what a Nazi would say.
Damn it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what an alien would say. Yeah, there's like, you can't escape this bullshit.
No, you can't escape it.

Speaker 1 I don't think any reasonable person believes it. If they believe it, it's because they want to believe it.

Speaker 1 It's not because it's logical. I mean, what's relevant about Nazis is like, are you invading Poland? Okay.

Speaker 1 And if

Speaker 1 you're not invading Poland, maybe you're not.

Speaker 1 You have to be committing genocide and

Speaker 1 starting wars. And

Speaker 1 if you're not...

Speaker 1 Like, what is actually, what is bad about Nazis?

Speaker 1 It wasn't their fashion sense or their mannerisms.

Speaker 1 The whole cost. It was the war and genocide is what is the bad part.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not their mannerisms and their dress code. Well, that was the problem with all that punch a Nazi shit.
Like punch a Nazi. Remember that?

Speaker 1 People were saying, that was like a thing that people kept saying, punch a Nazi. Punch Nazis.
But here's it. Where are you meeting Nazis? I've never met a fucking Nazi.
I've never met one.

Speaker 1 I've never run into a bunch of Nazis where I had to punch them. Well, and what about all these so-called

Speaker 1 Proud Boy rallies or whatever? And it's like they always got the masks and they've always got the same uniforms.

Speaker 1 And for for some reason they never get doxxed right right right right but wait we're always gonna dox them except this

Speaker 1 great video of me and matt taiting breaking down the

Speaker 1 patriot front didn't the patriot front just disband

Speaker 1 google that real quick we'll end it with this because they i i think they just disbanded and these were the most obvious feds of all time yeah they were

Speaker 1 they had a fucking drum

Speaker 1 masks on yeah they all had uniforms it was so stupid

Speaker 1 Patriot Front disbands one day after FBI Director Chris Ray. Doesn't that seem like an odd coincidence? Crazy.
Crazy. The people that we were yelling at, saying that they're feds.

Speaker 1 There's a great video of me and Matt Taibi if you want to find it. How come nobody ever followed them and doxed them? Yeah, crazy.

Speaker 1 What are the odds? What are the odds? Agent Provocateurs. It's a thing.
They're real. Alex Jones taught me about them.

Speaker 1 Listen, man, thank you very much. Thank you for everything.
Appreciate you. Stay alive.
Staying alive. All right.

Speaker 1 I mean, I do think, like,

Speaker 1 one argument for me staying alive is that it's more entertaining if I'm alive than if I'm dead. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, definitely. I just hope, but I could be alive and like injured, which would be suck.
You know, like they wink, just like shoot my arm off or something. Right.
No, no, no, we don't want that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. No.

Speaker 1 Keep the security strong. Yeah, hopping with one hand.

Speaker 1 All right. It's like, all right.
Thank you. Bye, everybody.