#2273 - Adam Curry

February 13, 2025 3h 14m Episode 2273 Explicit

Adam Curry is an internet entrepreneur, former MTV VJ, and podcasting pioneer. He is the co-host, along with John C. Dvorak, of the "No Agenda" podcast. www.noagendashow.net This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter — 4 out of 5 employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at ziprecruiter.com/rogan Go to https://www.expressvpn.com/ROGAN and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I never got it until this year, but that's what they say. That's what they say.
You get it within a couple of years, you get it, and then all of a sudden, you got it. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they are, but it's not bad.
I could hear it the other day. I heard it.
Stuffiness? Yeah. I heard you.
Yeah, I had it for like four days. I've had stuffiness.
But the thing is, like, when I work out, I feel great. The way I can really tell, like, the way I judge whether or not I should even work out is when I get in the sauna and the cold punch.
If I feel tired and weak when I'm in there, then I know something's going on. It's not as simple as allergies.
So I thought for 10 years I had the Austin allergy. For 10 years.
It was so bad. I'd go out to dinner.
Even when we moved out to Fredericksburg, we'd come into Austin. I thought it was Austin.
I'm serious. I'm like, Austin has given me this.
We'd go out to dinner, start eating, and then my nose, my eyes, everything just – and I have to always excuse myself, always have to have tissues in my back pocket. Then I got my teeth done, which we talked about, I think, the last time I was here.
And Maverick, my periodontist, he did one of these 360 MRIs. He says, you know, man, you've got some low-level infection here.
And that could be responsible for a whole bunch of stuff. Now, I'd had hearing aids for five years.

So when he did the initial extraction, I think I took one or two shows off.

And then I went back in the studio, put my headphones on.

I'm like, whoa.

I thought I'd hit something, you know, a volume knob or something.

Came back.

Your hearing came back. Because this was infected.

And it was basically clogging up my sinuses. And that affecting the hearing.
Jesus. Having a mouth infection like that's very dangerous, isn't it? People have no idea how important oral health is.
It's really, really critical. And also I feel better because I'm not fighting infection continuously.
That's crazy. How did it all start? Like what was going on with your teeth that like made all these infections? I had a bad start in life when I was two or three.
We're living in Uganda and my parents would put me to sleep with a chocolate cookie. So I had kind of a bad start, you know, and I had a lot of work.
I had, you know, just tons of fillings on my baby teeth. Everything was messed up.
Then I had the big outboard headgear, which really traumatized me for life, taking that to school. You know, it was like I was one of those guys.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
It was bad. And about, um, 10 years ago, maybe a little bit more, I went to the dentist here in Austin.
And he's like, we really got to start doing stuff. We got to start looking at repairing.
And then this dentist started hitting on me and texting me. And I'm like, that's not great.
Guy or girl? Guy. Damn.
Like, no, no, no, no, no. And I knew that there was a Pandora's box in there.
How wild is that risky move it was so dumb like you're a married straight guy it's like yeah i think i can get him though we can get we can he can be on our team that is such a man a man move it's such a thing that men would do it's so stupid like i'm here with some buddies of mine you know sending a, no, no, no, no. They're all shirtless and fucking wearing cowboy hats.
Yeehaw! I'm not going back. I'm good.
And then Tina and I, you know, we got together. We moved out to Fredericksburg.
And she's real big on, you know, preventative anything. You know, her car has the oil, everything on time.
Everything's all set. And her teeth, of course, are impeccable.
That's not like a good fit for you totally you need an organized lady you have i had a credit score of 350 oh no i didn't have credit card i was just cash you know like i didn't care like you know i had cash flow everything's good i don't care uh she straightened me out oh yeah oh big time you know we disorganized men very much need organized yes You just can't have one that turns into your mom. Oh, no.
That was my first wife. That does happen with some of them.
Some of them, when you give them the reins and they start telling you what to do, all of a sudden, then it becomes very non-sexy. I will say props to my first wife.
She kept me. That was the height of my show business fame, MTV.
she kept me out of trouble i i did not i did not participate she was a good mommy she was a good mom and she's a good mom to our daughter you know so yeah for sure well you know you change they change you need a different kind of a mom things things change things change um yeah so then you know i i went through it yeah i was like um uh and that's also when i stopped smoking you know because uh maverick called me up he said hey man i'm gonna be operating on you in a week you know could you do me a favor and stop putting fire in your mouth and i've been smoking weed and tobacco since i was 15 and i quit at that moment i haven't i didn't ever i mean i vape like a like a crazy horse but well that's not good is it well that's a question You and I have at that moment. I haven't.
I mean, I vape like a crazy horse.

Well, that's not good, is it?

Well, that's a question.

You and I have gone over this, and we will go back to it.

It's a nicotine delivery device.

Yes, that's what it is.

We'll get to that.

Yeah, sure.

So just cleaning out the infections, what was going on that that was fucking up your hearing?

It was like the whole area was inflamed?

Yes, right by your sinuses.

And so everything's connected. If you hold your nose, you can hear.
Right.

Right.

Right. Right.
Right. Right.
Right. Right.
Right. on that that was fucking up your hearing it was like the whole area was inflamed it's right by your sinuses and so that you know everything's connected you know if you hold your nose you can hear right you hear differently so right whatever it was doing and it literally just a couple days after he extracted though it's extracted more than that but after he extracted those teeth it just came back and i didn't have horrible hearing loss but it was enough where i was sick of saying, I'm sorry what'd you say i'm sorry and at the moment you get to like i didn't hear her i'll ask her later that's when i went no i got to get hearing aids i don't want to i don't and it's one of the biggest reasons men um uh get depressed is when they can't hear and they kind of withdraw and it's a it's really yeah it's oh it's a real crisis yeah anyone you need to go if you think just just have your ears tested anyway why not i mean you get your eyes tested get your ears tested get your teeth taken care of so they find out your ears are not good do they ever check for infections no because it seems like now you should get in the medical book he thank you we actually he's been writing a paper on this for this very reason and it's only because he did the 360 mri that he saw it and he and he also knew what to look for it's his expertise you know he's he's when i met this guy i was like he's he's young he's like in his 30s i'm like so why did you choose this profession he says i like operating i really love doing that stuff i'm you sound cool.
And it turns out he's a pilot, you know, so we've become friends.

But, yeah, he says people have no idea.

And so he has been working on a paper to publish about this very thing.

It's just not known.

I talked about it on the podcast, and people from all over the world are like, really, man?

You know, I've been having hearing issues.

Get an MRI.

Get a 360 MRI of your head.

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And the goofy fucking solution that someone came up with along the way was putting fluoride in the water. Which is so goddamned insane that you're taking a neurotoxin and you're putting it in the water but it and

again like i'm i don't want to take even a political position on this i just want to look

at this i want to look at this from a human lens there is something that people do where even if

something is obviously stupid if it's a part of a system and there's enough air quotes experts that have endorsed this, regardless of the fact that we've seen time and time again throughout history that experts are compromised, experts are – you could put in – you could have a court case for a murder and bring in experts that will tell you he definitely did it and experts will tell you he definitely didn't do it. So we know this for a fact, but still people argue on the side of the experts.
And I've seen this about fluoride and it's so mind boggling. There are conclusive studies that show a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in the local water and lower IQs.
And it's a neurotoxin. We know it's bad for you in large doses.
And yet there are fucking people out there with college degrees who read the New York Times who think they're sensible people that will get angry if you want to remove this neurotoxin from water because look at all the strides. It's done in preventing tooth decay.
And you just want to say, hey, man, fuck you. This is stupid.
I went to dinner at Mitch's house. I call him.
I'm a little upset. No, it's okay because we're sitting down.
It's my wife, his wife. He has one of those houses right on the airport where this plane rolls out of the garage, you know, out of the hangar.
Oh, he's out of touch. Exactly.
I paid for that. I'm like, I paid for that hangar.
And we're sitting down and we're having a good time. You know, we're talking about stuff.
He says, so what do you think about Florida? I said, should not be in the water. He's like, you're wrong.
You know, and this is only a couple of years ago. And now he's come back and he he's come back and he said, oh, man.
Do you apologize? Yeah, of course. This was drilled into my head.
Yeah. But what I understand is fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production.
And a lot of this – they had this fluoride waste product, basically, they needed to get rid of. And from what I understand, it was Alcoa.
I could be wrong, but I think it was Alcoa who made these deals. And who knows how they set that up with the American Dental Association.
And that's how fluoride got into our water. And we got this kind of psyop of it's good for you.
I knew it was wrong in 2000. And there was a book that came out called Legacy of Ashes.
It was written by a guy called Tim Weiner. It used to be New York Times.
And it was all about the CIA. And it's a great book because my uncle was in it many times, Donald Gregg.
He's still with us. He's 95 or 96.
And he was really high up in the CIA. He was part of OSS back in the day.
And in it, it talks about how the agents would go in Floridate the enemies camp water so they could go in at night And they could they were docile and they could pull them out and they could kind of attack them And I said uncle Don is this true? He says yeah pretty much how I remember it. I'm like well, of course This so the neurotoxin has been used in actual warfare in the water to make people docile yeah docile and then the argument is so dumb because you know my friend Eddie Bravo had a great point he said when you get toothpaste do you ever see toothpaste it says fluoride free why would they say that and advertise it Tom's's.
If fluoride wasn't bad for you?

Why would they do that?

Like, why would that be a selling point?

If we've always looked for fluoride in toothpaste, my whole life.

Crest, oh, fluoride, got it.

You know, when you're going through the CVS and you're grabbing stuff and throwing it back.

It's always fluoride.

You're always looking for fluoride.

That's what kills the fucking germ.

I don't want cavities.

I don't have to go to the dentist.

Give me that fluoride.

But they're selling toothpaste without fluoride.

Why is that?

And the guy who said... Kills the fucking germ.
I don't want cavities. I don't have to go to the dentist.
Give me that fluoride. But they're selling toothpaste without fluoride.

Why is that?

And the guy he was saying it to, like, had this look at us.

He was trapped.

He was just trapped.

So you don't think fluoride is good for you?

It's like one of those things.

That's just what he just said.

No.

Just brush your fucking teeth.

It's really that simple. As a kid, did you get those trays at the dentist? Do you remember those? What are the trays? It would be, they'd say, we're going to do fluoride treatment on you.
Oh, yeah, they did that. And it was like, it's fruity.
Yeah. And this gunk would be dripping back in your throat.
You're gagging with this horrible, it was like, that's not Hawaiian punch. And you go to school, you get a D in English because you're fucking stupid.
Pretty much the story of my life, Joe. Yeah, it's so bad.
It's really bad for you. And it's not necessary.
And we're being co-opted by something and someone. And I think we looked this up on the podcast, Jimmy.
Didn't it come out of, there was some town in Texas, I believe, that had naturally fluoridated water, which occasionally, you know, just happens. We have it in the hill country.
The water is definitely naturally fluoridated water which occasionally you know just we have it in the hill country the water is definitely naturally fluoridated there's natural levels of different minerals and there's different stuff that in this one area had a a fairly high natural level of fluoride and these people had like great oral hygiene whether or not that was a convenient study that they pointed to or convenient case they pointed to to make the argument to get rid of all that fluoride, you know, there's like, you got to look many layers into all this kind of stuff because they've been throwing fluoride in the water for how long and how much money has been spent throwing fluoride in the water and how many people have like built mansions and have fucking, you know, Mercedes Benz, they're tooling around them because they've been throwing fluoride in the water and how many people have like built mansions and have fucking you know mercedes-benz they're tooling around them because they've been throwing fluoride in the water and that's that's a deep system to try to untangle after 50 60 years it's the petrochemical industry that's where all our medicines come from and i was watching the grammys and i don't really what's wrong with you i know well i usually watch for the there it is. There's the Illuminati.
There's always one. There's the Satan.
They didn't have one. That's crazy.
Beautiful women in nice dresses and everything. Trump is president.
They're a little nervous. Oh, no.
Presidents are important for the culture. It's very important for the Satan people.
They're in trouble. They're in trouble.
Jesus is making a comeback, man. They're in trouble there.
You've got to hide now. Go back into the basement of Comet Pizza.
Place that doesn't have a basement, by the way. We're reliably informed.
And I hadn't really watched network television a lot, and there's a lot of commercial breaks, but the first 10 all had a pharmaceutical product which had never heard of, a name I can't remember. And side effects

literally included death. I'm like, what is going on with this? And like, ask your doctor, I'm like,

do I have this? Should I have this? Do I want this? I mean, is this going on with me? And

people are all happy in the commercials. They're like, look, my skin looks good and I'm happy and

I have a beautiful family. It's almost like we used to sell cars.
Now they're just selling the

pharmaceuticals. Well, that will be an interesting thing if RFK Jr.
gets in place.

If RFK Jr. gets in place and they stop this advertising.

We are one of two countries on earth that allows New Zealand, and New Zealand's far more restricted than us.

We should be really restrictive about this because advertising works.

And there's advertising that doesn't bother me at all, like Chevrolet, Corvette. It's okay.
It's fine. But when he can give you bloody diarrhea and suicidal ideology.
Anal leakage. Yeah.
And you're just fucked up in the head and you're depressed and you don't know why, but now your zits are gone. Like, hey, slow down.
That was not in that commercial with the lady dancing in the field with her child and the people at the picnic and they're all smiling and laughing and having a good time together yeah that looked like fun like what where's that part well of course you know this was they tried they've tried all kinds of things to stop this and you know first amendment comes up although we have stopped tobacco advertisements and there's all kinds of things that have been done throughout the years um but what happened with television is all the money i mean really 60 70 maybe 80 percent of all the advertising income is from pharmaceutical companies that's why there's also no reporting like we're not gonna bite the hand that feeds us. That's the real problem

That's that's that's the real problem. The real problem is that these news organizations are not not just news Not just news everything everything they're not independent like even television shows like could you imagine if Let's say a network has a prominent news organization and that news organization is very popular and it's a big part of their ratings and it's a reliable source of information for you know people that believe them and they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies but then they also have a crime show yeah on and this crime show wants to do a thing about an evil guy who promotes a vaccine that winds up killing a bunch of people and they hide the data and then they arrest him at the end of the end of the show like no fucking way that's not getting me no green light for you no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no you gotta turn that guy into a meth dealer that's a meth dealer now let's just do a couple rewrites simple rewrites of the script yeah yeah exactly yeah this is a bad guy from um guatemala let's come let's look he's definitely not from here he's definitely not from moderna and they definitely aren't working in conjunction with the government to develop this thing and the government's profiting off of it that's not real well we've i mean i say that we're in the season of reveal i've been saying this for about a year now because and it's really happening real quick with what we're uncovering and starting to understand.
I haven't seen your talk with Mike Benz. Mike Benz dropped some fucking seeds yesterday.
If we're in the season of flowers, he's blooming today. Yeah.
He was so nervous yesterday. Jamie was talking about it before.
He was making all these tweets like they were going to kill him. Really? Yeah, it's probably been discussed.

Well, I think it's way too far beyond.

And I think, you know, I look at Leave It to Beaver, I call her, who's the new press secretary.

She's 27 years old.

Oh, yeah.

She's good, though.

She's fantastic.

She's younger than my daughter.

I don't think you should, with a gal, I don't think you should say Leave It to Beaver.

I'm sorry.

That's how I remember her last name. All right, Caroline Leave It.
I think it's Leave It. Thanks, Joe.
Thanks. Thank you.
So she... Because we're old enough to remember when Beaver was a vagina.
Most kids are like, I don't even know what the fuck they're talking about. Leave It to Beaver? What are they talking about? What a dumb name for a vagina.
A beaver. Because dudes didn't really have any derogatory names for dicks.
It's just dick is the worst one. Like, oh, you're dick.
Put your dick away, you fucking weirdo. You know what I mean? It was like this, but beaver.
Well, we only had pecker. Yeah.
But pecker's kind of cute. Yeah, exactly.
Oh, it's just a pecker. Yeah.
There's no, like, real bad names for dick other than dick. But she comes out and...
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Oh, we're being nice.

Yeah, we're being nice to people. We should be nice.
We're the nice people of the world. But what these, and I'm sure Mike talked about this, you know, like LGBTQ, these dance parties and things, if you look at, I'm looking at these countries, like these are countries where we want to keep them away from Russia, overthrow the incumbents.
Yes. And the way to garner support is to, and I really love how they added the Q.
That just became so clear to me all of a sudden. If you sponsor LGBTQ, these are outcasts.
These are people who feel that they've been marginalized. Then you add a Q like, wait a minute.
I can be queer. I'm different.
I'm odd. You bring more people in.
Then you can bring the anarchists in. You can get A.
They have the A's in now. Oh, yeah.
The A's, the I's. Which is so crazy.
Everything. But the A's don't even have a dog in the fight.
But that's the point. You want them to come to the party.
Come to the party. You're allowed to the party.
That's why it's so long now. And I saw this, you know, AFD in Germany.
You know, this is the extreme right party. And they wanted, you know, to slow or remove immigration and um so now there was a protest uh against the afd you know some you're getting ready to vote now and there's a hundred thousand people there i'm like wow i'll do so i thought because i know people in germany i have friends in germany they really are sick and tired of this immigration stuff so where are these people coming from and in the news report right up front there's a dude in a blonde wig with eye shadow saying we just want to get along we just want can't we just be diverse i'm like that's the psyop he's talking about himself so he wants to feel included which by the way in america you can do whatever you want call yourself whatever want.
People really don't have an issue with that. But they've just taken this and abused these people into their political agendas all over the world.
And of course, it sparked something here in the States. If you look at the Democrat Party, they're going to die on this hill.
They're still like, oh, no, LGBTQ, they're taking away our rights because they know they can mobilize people to do that.

And then you can throw in Palestine. to die on this hill.
They're still like, oh no, LGBTQ, they're taking away our rights because they know they can mobilize people to do

that. And then you can throw in Palestine

and all kinds of people will join this group. Did you see the city

council thing in Worcester, Massachusetts

yesterday that's gone viral today?

Which one is that? Jamie, did you see it?

I'm seeing it right now on Twitter.

Oh yeah, yeah, pull this bitch up.

There's a compilation

of these people absolutely freaking out. The best one's the compilation, if you can find the compilation.
But it's all these LBGT people show up at this city council meeting to say there's a transgenocide. It's one of those dudes.
We're going to round up in concentration camps. Yeah, five minutes long.
Yeah, just start from the beginning shaking right now. I don't want to be here.
I'm sorry. Am I taking too long pleading for my life? You remembered how many children I have and how many and the two of them are trans.
There it is. Yeah.
I speak as both the B and the T in the LGBT. He's both.
I'm multiply disabled. I have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, which is a connective tissue disorder that causes me immense physical pain.
I'm on the autism spectrum, and I have narcolepsy, and I couldn't drive myself here. So I had to hide from my driver that I was in drag, which is not an easy thing to do in drag.
I do not want to be here. It's my day off.
I do not want to be in your DMs. I do not want to be in your email inboxes.
I do not want my creativity writing diss tracks like Kendrick. I don't want to spend an hour applying glitter on my face so that you will hear and see me.
What? I want you to listen to me. Let us remember that the night we can go on.
No, that's enough. You made me put glitter on my face, you piece of shit.
Because everyone knows when you go to court, you have to have glitter on your face. These people need hugs.
They need love. I pray for them.
The biggest way to psychologically manipulate people is, or there's three ways. Old people, puppies, the whole and I followed this it started around 2012 not coincidental when you know what Smith month the Smith month act.
So that's you know it was a law that was put in since the church commission you can't propagandize the American people. Defense Department and others went to the government said well you know like we're now, we might accidentally, you know, push some propaganda on people.
It started with bullying in schools. I know, because John Dvorak and I, we followed it on no agenda.
Started with bullying, then it was, we needed anti-bullying laws. And we're literally going like, what happened to sticks and stones will break my bones or punch the bully in his nose? No, no, no.
Then the teachers, and then we got speech laws, not actually laws, but hate speech punishments. And this kept building up until you guaranteed parents through the American Medical Association, the Pediatric Society, all of these different trade groups that if you don't transition your child, that child will commit suicide.
Right. And that's just, that is a horrible thing that they've done.
Think about these parents who may or may not one day wake up and go, what have I done? What have I done? Well, there was, someone was talking about this the other day, that this is the real problem is that so many parents have committed to doing this to their children and they cannot face the reality of what they've done. And so they're going to dig their heels in forever.
And they're going to talk about gender affirming care. But the thing is, that's a small percentage of people in the general population.
Thank God. But they're overrepresented in the fact that they make it their whole life.
And so they're very loud and very vocal.

And then they become a political beach ball.

I heard you talk about that with Bridget. That's what it is.
Totally. The political beach balls at a concert.
They chuck them up in the air so we always have something to fight about. So we're not paying attention to, like, the USAID stuff or a lot of the stuff that's, like, really important.
And this is just a part of this intertangled web of psyops that's been running our Culture, I mean I would say our government but it's it's everything culture. So it's the government has established its hooks in us and put fear and law and rules and the more law and the more rules the better because the more likely you're going to a few of them and then you're gonna shut the fuck up yeah, and they they've got these fucking things everywhere and It's just allowing them to run this mafia business And there's a bunch of people that are reasonable educated people that have Stockholm syndrome like they they don't want to admit that even their people, their cherished heroes like Obama was a part of this.
Mm-hmm, big part. And that all these people that you think of as progressive Democrats, they were all a part of it.
And fortunately today, we have the convenient access to YouTube instantaneously, where you You could watch Obama in 2003 say some very MAGA things.

Or you could watch Hillary Clinton go more MAGA than MAGA about deportation yes yes and that if you stay you have to pay a stiff fine I mean the whole thing is it's cyclical right like this is why the left is now supporting war and censorship It's it's not real It's not that there's a good group of kind compassionate educated people and a bunch of fucking buffoons who are racist who want to bring that back to Confederate flag. Yeah, that's not what's going on There's people that are nice kind people that also understand the value of hard work and reality and Kindness and also sternness and rule of law and you can't just let violent criminals out in the street and hey Maybe you should do some actual rehabilitation with the fucking billions of dollars you make in the prison industrial complex when there's no Rehabilitation like no real concerted efforts to Completely change these people and studies.
It's a mess. It can be done It could be done and it probably could begin done with psych a lot site with psychedelic drugs They probably can do some things with people especially nonviolent criminals that are trying to figure out like why have I been stealing from people my whole life like Like what the fuck is wrong with me that I you know unless they're a legitimate psychopath they have no empathy There's there's people that can be kind of woken up to why they're in this horrific pattern of Continual abuse in their life and there's there's ways to do it and you Rick Perry has been really Like brave in this case because you because he's a former Republican governor of Texas.

That's right.

And now he's advocating for Ibogaine therapy, particularly for veterans, for guys who come over. They've seen the most horrific shit.
Their brain is in a shambles and they want to do something. And they they have no help no help in these pills that just dull their mind and make them feel detached from reality and all these fucking

antidepressants and things they give them. And they want to fucking end their life.
And they can go and get therapy that it cures 80% of them with one dose. And it's like 95% with two doses.
It's fucking nuts, man. And we've been hiding this because of the sweeping Schedule I Drug Act of 1970 that was put in place directly by Nixon to go after his political opponents.
It was directly put in place to demonize the anti-war movement and demonize the Civil Rights Party and the Black Panthers and Anybody who was a problem with the government? So they just said let's just make all these things these people are taking on a regular basis completely illegal not only just Schedule one like with no medical use whatsoever things that people have been using for thousands and thousands of years And it's all the same shit. It's all psyops.
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Well, the number one thing that happened around that time, of course, during Kennedy is we realized that television was a big force. Television and radio.
Oh, yeah. They got that handsome guy.
And if you listen to some of the debates, it would sound on the radio like Nixon did better. I mean, it's amazing how this worked between radio and television, but then newspapers, we know the intelligence agencies were all writing stories.
I mean, you look at CNN, you still see ex CIA guy shows up

a little story. When I saw you sitting at the inauguration and I think I texted you, I'm like, dude, I can't believe it.
I see you sitting there. You're texting me American flag emojis and stuff like, and you, you and, uh, and Trump, I'm like, Oh, look at him.
He's in a tuxedo. And I thought, so my life in 1983, I was still a teenager.
And I grew up in Amsterdam, socialist country. The airwaves were controlled by the government.
It was horrible. It was almost like Russia.
Your phone was a gray phone. And that was your phone.
You couldn't get a different phone. You could, it was illegal to unplug it from the wall and i was doing pirate radio at a place called radio decibel in amsterdam and we were playing you were christian slater in a way you know what that movie in a well yeah yeah what was that what was that movie called uh i don't know maybe it's called pirate radio it was crazy they were trying to arrest him remember well so we all got arrested several times and we were playing 12 inch imports from your chicago warehouse did several times oh yeah oh they would always get you had always come and arrest them find you we literally had the station name on the door people would come around we'd be smoking weed or hanging out you know we weren't making any money we were basically paying to do it.
And we had this huge antenna on the roof.

Did this ever come up when you got hired by MTV?

Did they get nervous about that?

Did they have to do a background check?

This guy's got a record.

No.

Remind me to tell you my USAID story in a minute.

So no.

But this is 1983.

And I felt it was so.

First, I was a gawky, awkward kid.

I got tics.

I got the wrong hair.

I got the wrong moped. Everything's wrong.
But on the radio, people are like, wow. And I was doing it in English.
You can do that in Amsterdam. People are like, wow, it's so cool.
You got that black guy on your station. I'm like, I'm black? Oh, cool.
So I was John Holden, the 23-year-old black guy who drives a Harley. But the point was, it was liberating.
I could speak my mind and everything felt so stifling. Now we go forward, 1993, and I'm on MTV.
I'm the hair of Generation X. I'm on Z100 in New York, number one station.
And I'm also on the internet. You know, I'd set up MTV.com.
It was very, very, we had dial-up modems at the time. And it was so restrictive.
You can't, they let me do my own material, but they had censorship called a line producer. Like, oh, now we got to burn that segment.
You said something bad about Richard Marks. Oh, you said something that was off color about Madonna.
Oh, we can't do that. The radio was the same.
It was, you know, like read the liner card, you know, and then always end with Z100. And there was a guy at Sun Microsystems in San Francisco, and he said, Adam, I see what you're doing with MTV.com on the web.
That's cool. I'm going to send you a computer.
So he sends me this big Sun Spark workstation. He said.
What year? 93. So this is pre-Windows 95.
So this is. Yeah, it's pre-Windows.
Yeah, go ahead. Windows, what is it, 3.8 or something like that? Well, this was Solaris OS.
It's Unix, basically. So it wasn't Windows back then, right? Like, what came before Windows 9? I had a Mac.
No, I had an early Apple II. 3.1, that's what it was.
Yeah, 3.1 and an Apple II. I was more Apple guy at the time.
And so I hooked it up to my 56K mode. I'm dialing, and he says, watch this.
And he says, and I'm on the phone with him. He says, watch this.
and up on my screenk mode dial in he says watch this and he says what i'm on the phone with him he says

watch this and up on my screen pops a little player and it's and he's streaming in pc we didn't have mp3s back then pcm pulse code modulation nine inch nails i'm like this is broadcasting i'm going to figure out how we use this thing for broadcasting because think about how we can use this outside of all the systems. And so 2003, now we're 10 years later, I've been very involved with RSS feeds and blogs, and I see my first iPod, and it's like, snap, crackle, pop, hold on a second.
This is amazing. We can combine, this is a radio.
This is not a music device, it's radio. So I cobbled together this program that basically takes this RSS feed and then puts a program on, you know, so the show was an album and then each track was an episode number.
And then I immediately start doing a show. I start, you know, what I do is just try to get people involved.
That's how Daily Source Code started because I was trying to get software developers in. And then two years later, three years later, Steve Jobs is having a private conversation with me about putting this into the iPod and making it official, making a podcasting thing in iTunes.
And I'm like, this is so perfect because now you have this RSS feed, which you control. No one else can control what do with your rss feed and you can anybody can slurp that up and subscribe to your radio show and then 20 years later i see the the president of the united states wrapping up his campaign with joe rogan on a podcast completely being himself being a dude for by the way props for you sticking to your guns.
I love that you did that. Now it's got to be here.
No restrictions on time. Well, he didn't impose any.
He was more than willing to do it exactly how I do it. He understands it.
But at that moment, then I see you sitting there. I'm like, we just broke the elite messaging machine.
Phase one complete. All because of you, dog.
No, no, you, dog. You, dog, man.
Oh, glory to God. I think I was just used.
You were number one, no. I always give you your props.
You were the first. I was just a vessel.
It makes sense to me now. Well, I'm just a vessel, too.
I think that's the case with all of it. Absolutely.
I say that to the guys at my comedy club. They're always so thankful that I built this comedy club.
I'm like, I think this thing built itself. I think it was just, I was a thing that it did through me.
It caught me because it knew that I was capable of doing it and impulsive enough and brash enough to say, fuck it. Let's just dump a bunch of money in this spot and see what happens.
were given gifts and you're giving gifts and you stuck with your gifts and and I know you're a very

generous guy I know you help a lot of people with all not monetary necessarily but just helping them

getting them on their feet you know like even you know Parker I'm like can I bring this kid he's a

big fan you're like absolutely bring him in you're a gracious guy and so when you get whatever word

it is to build a comedy club you did I think you have do that. I think that's the universe is testing you.
And if you pay attention to yourself, you'll feel like what's the right thing to do? Like what's the thing? What is the greedy, impulsive thing to do? What is like the miserly thing to do? Save it all. It's my money.
Save it all. You know, that's the, you know.
That usually doesn't end well for most people. It's bad for you, too.
Because I always talk about this in terms of careers. And I really try to put this in young comics' minds.
There's an impulse that you will have when someone's doing better than you. And you will be angry at them.
It is a bitter, pathetic, jealous, normal instinct that people have. The enemy.
The enemy talking to you. It's just you have to recognize what that is.
What that is, is you have a desire to be doing the same thing. This person is doing this thing.
They are in the movie. They are on the TV show.
They are headlining at the club and you feel bad because it's not you. So you decide that they they are bad And so you start looking at them as a source of negativity towards you and you don't do all the logical Objective reasoning that allows you to go.
Oh, no. No, they didn't do anything wrong It's just me and then those people who get really super big and famous oftentimes get very defensive and very elitist Because they do understand that people are mad at them now.
So then they're like, fuck those people. Those people are fucking losers.
And it's bad for everybody. It's bad for everybody.
The correct way to do it is to go, wow, look at what this person has accomplished. That's fucking amazing.
That's inspiring. I want to do something like that with my life.
Which is what America used to be. People would come to him.
I think it is. I think it is.
It's been covered up. It's been papered over by media, basically.
That's why I'm so happy that we've broken through that elite messaging system. The way I was raised is in America, you can look at the guy with the Rolls Royce or the Cadillac or whatever and go, I want that and you can be that.

And we've kind of devolved into a, you know, it's international now, into a victim mentality. There's good and evil.
Well, it's just a ploy. It's again the same thing as Florida in the water.
It's a fucking psyop. It's a ploy.
And it's a way to keep us, instead of empowering people, to recognize that all these people that are successful are inspiration. That's what they are.
They're fuel for you. You can use them.
Whatever that person is singing at the Grammys, when Kendrick Lamar is doing the halftime show, when someone wins a fight, that's supposed to be inspiration. That's a fuel.
And you can use it it correctly You could or you can fuck your whole life up by paying attention to other people and comparing yourself in a negative way This is part of the problem with kids and social media Because kids are supposed to see like oh look at Bobby He's nice to everybody and everybody likes Bobby be like Bobby look at Mark. He's fucking awesome at the guitar and everybody wants to go see him play.
I want someone to come see me do something. I wish I was good at something as Mark is at guitar.
And that's what's supposed to raise us all up. But instead, we see a thousand followers and likes on someone blasting somebody in a funny way in a video, this is a big part of the problem.
But sometimes funny way blasting is important too, because that's my line of work. You got to talk shit.
Talking shit is important. You are a professional, Joe.
You're a professional. Yeah, but how do you become a professional? You start off as an amateur.
You start off talking shit. We can't all be a comedian or a comic.
We just can't. I think a lot more can than you think.
There's a lot of people out there that have the inclination that just don't don't get that spark Which is also one of the things we're trying to do with the club, which is also why we have two nights of open mic nights Oh, that's cool. Yeah, we want to make it accessible We want to make this is like a place where you there's a real path You can work on your act and you're gonna see guys like on a daily basis guys like Ron White and Shane Gillis and there's a real path you can work on your act.
And you're going to see guys like on a daily basis, guys like Ron White and Shane Gillis. Right.
You know, there's people coming in and out of town that are doing my podcast. They're like the best of the best in the world.
Yeah. And they're coming to the club.
Oh, this is the center of the universe now for comedy. It is.
It's amazing. It's amazing.
It's amazing. And again, I think this place, I think it built itself.
I think I just had to do it. I was like...
I just the- I just gotta tell you, no, no, no. God loves you, Joe.
He is at work in you. He's all over you and has been that way for a long, long time.
There's no doubt in my mind. Well, whatever it is, I'm listening.
You'll accept it. Yeah, that's it.
I accept it and I listen and I go with it. But I think it all, like too many things had to happen.
Like if you wanna believe in fate if you really want to believe in fate, I should believe in fate. Because especially with like this move here, too many things had to happen in line.
It had to be the pandemic. And it had to be me with young kids who just was very uncomfortable with the direction that L.A.
was going. And then it had to be the George Floyd riots and the lockdowns.
And then I had to come to Texas go Oh, oh, there's other ways that people live and I know knew for a long time and you lived here And you spoke very highly and then my good friend Gary Gary Clark jr. He came here Like before the pandemic and I remember talking to him on the phone.
I'm like, why did you move back to Texas? He's like man I just cannot just cannot fuck with those people in L.A. And Gary's like the realest dude I know.
It's like one of the realest. Like he doesn't give a fuck about fame.
That guy cares about playing that fucking guitar and playing songs as good as he can. And that guy just locks himself up in a studio.
He's got a studio at his house. Yeah, that's what you want.
He locks himself up in there for 12 hours a day. And it's just that guy only gives a fuck about the art like he's about the craft and like so all the bullshit that came along with living in hollywood like he would just come hanging out the comedy store all the time that was just because it was like oh you guys are real like i can hang with you we'd just be cracking up and hanging so when he came out here it's like fuck and then ron white came out here i'm.
I'm like, God damn it. And then he was like, oh, I fucking love it.
It's fucking airports, a breeze. No traffic.
Everyone's nice. It's the middle of the country.
I was like, fuck. And then the pandemic happened.
And it was like it all pulled me to the spot. And then it had to be the Spotify thing.
And then it had to be the comedy store shutting down for a year. And then it had to be all the comedy store employees that i loved were all unemployed and so then it was like okay let's fucking do this exactly what i'm seeing i'm seeing that with every that's why it started in 1983 i'm like i see where the path was i've always been doing it always been doing this stuff and that's the thing about much sense podcasting to me too it was oddly compelling like it didn't make any sense i I was making no money and I was busy.
It was costing you money probably on bandwidth and stuff It was definitely costing money and I had young kids and it was just like why am I? Why am I spending my time doing this when I should be spending my time maybe doing something to make more money because especially back then It's like I wasn't doing Fear Factor anymore So I wasn't really making the kind of money that I was making when I was on television.

So I had a tour a lot.

So I was doing stand-up and I was doing like way too many dates with the UFC.

The UFC, although I love it to death, I mean, that's the only job job I still have.

I still work for somebody.

But it's because I've been there for so long.

But it was like 22 dates a year.

Do they send you a W-9?

I don't know. I think I'm an independent contractor.
What's w9 how's that work i have accountants i was just messing with you i'm like joe walsh i have accountants pay for it all yes right i got a maserati does two hundred and 185 i lost my license now i can't drive yeah i have a limo ride in the back lock all the doors in case i'm attacked yeah great song life's me so far. That's right.
It's a great song. I use that song all the time.
Everybody's so different. I haven't changed.
You know, he's a ham radio guy, Joe Wolfe. Is he really? He takes his rig out on the, he doesn't go on the road that much anymore.
When he's on the road, he has this huge ham radio rig. And that's like, I've been a ham for a long time.
And that's like, if you have a, we call it a QSL, qso that's a that's ham code for a conversation okay with joe walsh oh man there he is look at that joe walsh is the fucking man he's awesome life in the fast lane that's gonna change the eagles the eagles on the way to killing your testosterone and making women cry all day and then all of a sudden joe walsh comes and now you got you've got Life in the Fast Lane. Give me that riff.
Give me the beginning of Life in the Fast Lane. Joe Walsh.
It was wild rock and roll guitar attached to this beautiful voice and lyrics and songs and songwriting. Give me this, Jamie.
Give it to me. See how accurate it was.
diddle-um-tum, diddle-um-tum. But there was a, there's a, you know, guitar, like I was talking about Gary.
Like, here. Oh, here we go.
Close, close. Boom, bam, bam.
Oh, all right. That's all we can do.
That's all? We get in trouble. We get in trouble.
We get in trouble. Is that already going to get us in trouble? Probably.
Probably. Fucking nonsense.
You're screwed. Because here we have all these podcasts.
There's four and a half million podcasts, really only 400,000 update regularly. So it's not even that much.
And that's global. Oh, how dare you? You're teasing me.
We can't play music in podcasts because of all these different entities that own it. And so if you perform something on the radio or in a live stream, that's a performance right, which the club plays for that too if you're playing any music.
So that's ASCAP BMI. Then you have the publishing right.
Now, because you download a podcast, well, all of a sudden now you've made a copy of it so that's another group over here so you have the publishers then the record companies you have all the and they just could never agree and they've locked themselves in so tight that the biggest opportunity for music would be to play it on podcasts they've just they've they've painted themselves into a corner and it's so and all know now that most artists, you know, you get 10,000 streams on Spotify and you get a penny after after a couple of years. You see what Snoop Dogg when he was going on.
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For this? Oh, it's horrendous. I'm sure it's horrendous.
He got a thousand bucks. Billions of streams and he got a check for 45 grand.
And Taylor Swift gets all the rest of the money. I mean, it's very odd because taylor swift owns her music isn't that the whole deal like if you own your music if you're the publisher right any of you know this i don't want to get too deep into spotify and all that but people are starting to move away from that and what i call the value for value model where uh we actually built this with podcasting 2.0 where you can say you can send a boost like i want to send some money to this person straight from the app so you can play it you can play a song in the podcast as long as they've agreed to the to the license they own all their stuff you can send the money uh we just did suzanne santa we had a uh i invited you to that yeah i couldn't make it unfortunately all i had to say is i invited Joe.
That was all I needed to say. And, you know, we had six people on stage, six different bands, and they all made between six and $800 coming just from out there.
There was maybe 50, at the end of the night, maybe 50 people left. It's a Monday night.
But they were all making more money than they had ever made on any other platform in their life. Just because people can send it through the internet, we actually use it.
Isn't that crazy? That $600 for a performance that goes on the internet is the most they've ever made from the internet. Absolutely.
Isn't that crazy? It is crazy. I found out about Suzanne from online.
Some dude named Balls of Steel sent me a message. And he said, this is your new favorite song.
And I was like, what? And it was Honey, Honey, Angel of Death. They did an acoustic version on the top of a roof in downtown LA.
And it was incredible. And I was like, oh, my God.
And then I became friends with them. Yeah, she and Nick are great.
And their baby is super cute. Yeah, it's adorable it's like that there's been so many streams on the radio and the fact that you never made more than 600 bucks is crazy like something's broken well that's because the the publishers are getting all of that right exactly because you know it's and then but then on hand, you can get really famous.
People like Tile the Creator and all these different people that have blown up just from being on the internet. And then they do live performances.
Yeah, but I still feel that... Someone's making money.
Well, we know. The publishers are making money.
People say the record companies, but it's the publishers. Yeah, they can't call them record companies anymore if they don't make records.
Thank you. Poor records.
I was in my garage the other day, and I put my wall of fame in the garage. I'm like, time to move this out of the house.
I'm old enough now. And I'm looking at, like, there's a platinum record with a cassette, with a platinum cassette on it.
Do people even remember these days

when you got a platinum record with a cassette on it?

That's crazy.

Five million copies sold of a cassette tape?

Jelly Roll gave us one of his platinum records.

We got it out there in the hall.

That guy is awesome.

He's the best.

Jelly Roll is what a story.

He's such a sweetheart.

He's such a nice guy.

He's a big crossover artist.

The Christians love him.

The country guys love him. The rock and rollers love him.
It's like he's He's a big crossover artist. The Christians love him.
The country guys love him.

The rock and rollers love him.

It's like he's the perfect, perfect crossover artist.

If I were an evil record executive, he's the perfect crossover artist.

Joe, we need to sign him.

That's what I'd be doing.

Also, most unlikely looking to be the sweetest guy ever with all the face tattoos and everything.

Just goes to show.

Yeah. You can't tell a book by its cover.
you cannot ever ever ever ever so um anyway back to that it's just it's a shame that we've you know the right the the music industry has moved it into this protectionist place um and it's i mean even if you have a a spin studio, you know, the Gestapo comes around like, you know, you've got more than 75 people a day here. You need to pay us more.
And it's, you know, they're very litigious. The whole thing is just a mess.
It's a mess. Yeah.
I mean, law is great because it protects you from scumbags, but law is not so great. But who's it protecting now? Because the artists are making no money.
Exactly. Although it's become easier to do your music at home.
I mean, I remember going to the Hit Factory in New York and hanging out, watching people record records. That was amazing with the big machines and lots of people running around.
That was cool. think youtube and social media presents very unique opportunities where a guy like oliver anthony can all of a sudden explode out of nowhere with one song yeah he's another sweetheart yeah you had him on yeah he was at the club the other day too we were all hanging out where does he live um i think he still down south maybe he doesn't want people to know him okay Okay.
Well, he lives in... I don't want to say.
Around. But he was...
I mean, back... Was he...
He was in Virginia? West Virginia. West Virginia.
Okay. Yeah, West Virginia.
That makes sense. Richmond.
Because Richmond, north of Richmond was the song. Right, right, right, right.
Yeah, that's where he was. I don't know if he's there.
And God bless him because he stayed away from the system. Yeah, we had a phone call.
Yeah, I called him up when it all started popping off for him. He said, I'm going to sign you, boy.
I'm going to sign you to my Rogan records. You're going to make millions.
Here, take this Cadillac. It'll be great.
Yeah, I sent the Cadillac right to his house. That's the last thing you want to give that guy.
You want to give him like a 1983 Chevy that's redone, you know, a pickup truck, like an F-150 from the 80s that's like redone, the boxy ones. Eight track and the dash, good to go.
No, he's a genuine guy. He's a really nice guy.
And we had this conversation over the phone. He said, people are offering me millions of dollars to do this and that and this.
I go, stay independent. And he goes, they keep saying, I got a strike while the iron's hot.
I go, no, no, no, no, no. Listen to me.
You, you've already made it. All you have to do now is just keep doing what you just did.
And you can do that, right? I'm sure you have other songs. He goes, oh, I got a bunch of other songs.
Then he sent me some of his other songs, which are just as good, if not better. And I was like, dude, you have talent.
Talent is what you, that's what everybody needs. All this other stuff is people just trying to take advantage of your talent.
Stay independent. That's what I mean about you, Joe.
You're a good guy. You protect people.
I was already past that spot where he's at. Like I'd been in that spot before where people are offering you deals and stuff like that.
I know what the trappings of that is. You're broke.
And then all of a sudden you have money. And for me, it worked out great.
That happened to me in 1993. I got this big development deal with Disney, and I moved out to California to do a sitcom.
But I wanted to be a comic, and then all of a sudden I've got all this money that's coming from TV. I'm like, this is so weird.
Was that news radio? No, that was Hardball. It was a baseball show that was on Fox that never made it.
I was an MTV man. I wasn't paying attention to any of that stuff.
It actually started at MTV because I got a development deal with MTV first. Really? Yeah, but the development deal at MTV was like 500 bucks to do a pilot.
I'm not kidding. Sounds like MTV.
I'm not kidding. It was like $500.
Maybe $5,000.

I don't think it was, though.

I think it was $500.

And if I did the pilot and the pilot was successful, they would have me locked in for some exorbitant amount of time.

I think it was like five years where I couldn't do anything other than MTV.

And it was because they had a few people that became really famous off MTV and then left.

And so they had decided that MTV is going really famous off MTV and then left.

And so they had decided that MTV is going to keep all of their talent.

Which is the funniest thing because when I got there in 87, VJs were expendable.

They're like, you're expendable, shut up.

Now they couldn't because they brought me over from Europe and had a two-year contract.

I think the first year was $150,000.

The second year was $175,000, and I got a car service.

And I could do radio, any radio I wanted to do.

And so – and they – a lot of the – not they, but a lot of the people at the office really disliked me because they'd be like, cut your hair.

I'm like, no, I'm not going to cut my hair. Why do they want you to cut your hair? It was a new creative direction for the channel.
I'm like, no. And, you know, I had different lengths of hair throughout the years.
That's the 80s, man. That hair was gold.
I'm like, have you seen the artists we're playing? Give me a photo of Adam Curry in 88. It's glorious.
Glorious locks.

I have the hair of Generation X.

Don't call me a boomer.

Look at that.

Come on.

Who the fuck would tell you to cut that Farrah Fawcett?

That's a beautiful head of hair.

That's an amazing.

Good times, brother.

Good times.

Imagine someone telling you that probably that was like a huge hook, too.

Of course.

A lot of the ladies.

Well, you know what Merv Griffin always said? What did he say? Merv Griffin always said, people with big heads are successful on television. That's why he had Pat Sajak and, of course, Jay Leno.
Jay Leno. Big heads, right? I don't have a big head.
You have big hair. I had big hair, so I had a big head.
Exactly. The formula works.
Right. There's no, like, little tiny-headed dudes that are like, wow.
No. No.
What is that about? No. That works on YouTube now, but on television.
Does it work on YouTube? He's got a tiny-headed calendar on YouTube. I think anybody can be successful on YouTube.
Right. I mean, it's all kinds of interesting stuff.
But doesn't that show you that the formula's bullshit then? You know, like, you got a guy like Mr. Beast, who is not, like, a classically good-looking guy who's got the biggest show in the world.
That guy has... I mean, so I don't – people say he's a creator.
I think he's a creation. He is a creation of YouTube and how it works.
You don't have this because you're so established, but they – his team – and he's talked about this – micromanage every second of each video, every cut, the poster images, all these things. And it's all about time spent viewing.
If one video does a minute 38 and the other one does 140, that other video is more successful. I mean, it's really, in order to hook the algos, get everything rolling, you have to bring that down to a science.
And of course, this is not for you and I i i don't think is you have to always keep feeding the machine you got to keep feeding it feeding it feeding it you have to make your life a part of your youtube channel otherwise you know you drop off very quickly yeah well um i just think he has a different approach i mean his approach is very like scientific he's very very intelligent about it and i i'm a feel person which is why i when i get people as guests i never think like sometimes people think oh you try to get like the biggest name guests because that'll be the most popular videos i don't i don't do that at all i only who do i want to talk to that's exactly how i've always done it. So that's how I'm going to always do it.
Do I want... And if it happens to be Mel Gibson, you know, and he...
Great interview, by the way. He was...
I mean, I'm like... For me, he's always Mad Max.
When I was a kid, you know, we'd play hooky from school. We'd go back and someone would have a VHS.
No, I had a Betamax. He had a Betamax.
Oh, yeah. And like, we're watching Mad max and then diana ross in the round i mean that diana ross we love diana ross like oh she's so awesome but the mad max man that original and he's standing there with his boots in the desert and at the beginning it was just a movie oh he had a bunch of bangers but he's just he's an interesting guy you.
And that blower on top of the engine.

I mean, the whole thing was just, we just loved that.

That was a fun movie.

And then later, Lethal Weapon.

And I didn't realize, because I'd seen The Passion, which is, you know, as a Jesus freak myself, that was like, whoa, that was a heavy movie to watch.

And when he said it, I didn't realize that the whole thing was in Aramaic. And it was the subtitles that you were basically reading the subtitles.
And his theory that it penetrates you differently, the story, I think, is so spot on. I think so, too.
I mean... It's really, really interesting.
Well, he's a very underrated filmmaker. And I always point to Apocalypto as another example of that.
There's no English in that movie. it's a masterful movie.
It's a great movie. That guy has a calling man.
He's doing amazing talent. And he fought the system.
He really, really fought the system so hard. Well that was what was fascinating about talking to him about what happened when he made The Passion of the Christ because it was really it wasn't that it was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film.
It was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film that was really made by the motion picture industry because he had gone outside the normal distribution system. So in creating that movie, he financed it himself.
He went outside that he got a smaller distributor and it did really well and they were like 800

million dollars exactly so they're like we got to make sure this doesn't fucking happen again and that's where the attacks came and that's also where jim caviezel his career completely stalled out you would think the guys in a gigantic blockbuster movie like that like he's going to be in blockbuster movie after blockbuster movie after this no they kind of blackballed him. Well, and so you have smaller studios now, like Angel Studios, and they're in Utah.
And they did, they crowdfunded this, The Chosen, which is, you know, the story of Jesus. And it's, I mean, unbelievable.
They're in their fifth season now, completely outside the studio system, completely away from it. And it's all crowdfunding.
At the end of the season, the credits are like 15 minutes. Oh, wow.
Everybody who donated and everybody who donated, you know, X amount, they get to be extras on the set. I mean, it's a whole new way of looking at producing stuff.
Interesting. Yeah.
Then, of course, they went on to do an apocalyptic movie called Homestestead which is a dog it's so horrible it's like oh what is this i mean it's oh it's a bad movie oh bad acting is it bad enough to watch it no no tina and i were watching we're like do we bail no 10 more minutes do we bail no no it's gonna happen do it's like no no it's too bad i mean just like what's hard to make a Of course it is. Well, imagine the amount of people that you have.
If you have a bunch of idiots telling you to cut your hair, imagine how many dumbasses you have in the background of the movie that are telling you what to do. All the money people, all the executives.
Like, it must be so hard. You have to be like a Quentin Tarantino who's like, they just leave him alone, leave him alone, let him do his magic.
He's an interesting, have you met him? Oh yeah, he's been on a couple times. Interesting fellow.
We hung out with him the other night. We went out to dinner with him, him and Roger Avery, who's also awesome.
And then we went to the club and we hung out at the club. He's an interesting guy.
And that's what he like, he like requested to come to the club. Was he wearing his tracksuit? No, he was just normal.
I saw him in LA when I was there for about a year like, you see him like tracksuit, tracksuit. Tracksuits are comfortable.
Tracksuits. I get it why the mob guys wear tracksuits all the time.
Yeah, of course. The Russian mob guys, they know.
This is the way to do it. Adidas, man.
Adidas, that's my uniform. I think the move is like stretchy jeans.
Because stretchy jeans give you all the feel of a tracksuit, but you don't look like a weirdo. I've become a hoodie guy, much much to my my wife's chagrin she's like you know i got friends of mine saying hey fetterman i'm like really really wore a hoodie to the inauguration that was a little wild i mean the hoodie was one thing but the shorts i'm like well you know that's fetterman i guess that's really who he is i mean it's kind of weird in that like come on everybody

else is wearing a suit but it's also kind of like well that's how he dresses 24 hours a day like yeah

but you wore a tuxi dude you wore a button down for the president being your studio I was impressed

by that well I felt like I had to the vice president too yeah it's like I gotta wear something

nice it's because you know a little bit shows a little bit of respect yeah I didn't even clean

the table off though but you know my friend Harlan Williams was very happy that Dimitri was on the

table. Oh, you're

Thank you. gotta wear something nice it's because you know a little bit it shows a little bit of respect yeah i didn't even clean the table off though but you know my friend uh harlan williams was very happy that dimitri was on the table snake yeah he he gave me a giant hug he goes dimitri was on the he was there man he was the president yes this is a gag that harlan did he said he had a tapeworm and then three hours into the podcast he pulls out this fucking snake out of his pants see Harlan.
He's fucking, he's so funny and so unusual and so eccentric that like for him, like that was, it was such a huge thing to see the snake on the table that he pulled out of his pants. I get it.
I get it. I mean, it was so interesting where, um, you know, you've talked about the, the Harris campaign and all the stuff that they were saying.
And, you know, it was like, his people i'm like his people i think it's jamie and then maybe one other guy well i do have managers and they did talk to them oh they did talk to them yeah okay but what they said just wasn't true but i mean it's not like you have a super big team here no it's a very even the team outside of here is not that big but it's um just con it's just normal political bullshit. They just lie.
They cover their ass and they lie. I would have been very happy to have her on.
And like I said, the goal was to release both of them the same day. I was trying to figure out how to do that.
That would have been great. That would have been fantastic.
Yeah, I was trying to figure out if that would be possible to do. And that's what I wanted to do.
I wanted to put them out both at the same time but that's it that's where we broke the mess of the elite messaging system we broke it because they could not put her into the new system they couldn't because they knew that she would fall down well they just got scared they could have they could have put her in I would have held her hand I would have we would have a conversation not that I need to hold you probably would have voted for i meant was no i wouldn't have done that i wasn't gonna vote i don't know joe she might have charmed you but i was more than willing to strong man or steel man all of our positions to try to like that i wanted to i wanted to know what would be the good in this and why you know and let the even if it't make any sense, express it the best way possible that you can. I will help you do that.
And then I'll ask you questions. But I'm not going to be antagonistic.
I'm not going to be a shithead. I'm not going to be, I have no desire to turn this into a viral clip thing.
I'm not trying to do that. I don't think you've ever done that with anybody.
No, I don't want to, I never wanted that done to me. So why would I do that to That's why I wore this hoodie.
Iron sharpens iron. That's, that's what you are, brother.
You know, you, you get, bring people in iron sharpens iron. So a friend sharpens a friend.
You're always, you know, I come here, I come here cause I want to learn from Joe. I want my iron to be sharpened by Joe.
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Well, I just want whoever's in that seat to do the best they can, right? So like whatever it is, whether you're talking about quantum physics or whether you're talking about human psychology or ancient history, I want the best version of you. And I want to kind of help you get the best version out.
And if you're running for president, I'd like to get the best version of that from you. And I think that the whole system of debates and public speeches and interviews is so bad for getting to know a human being.
And I guarantee you, I've seen interviews where she's really funny. I've talked about it before, but I'll say it again.
This is one interview where she's talking about meeting her mother-in-law for the first time. And her mother-in-law grabbed her face like, oh, you're so beautiful.

And it's very funny.

And she laughs and she laughs in a genuine way. It's not like that sort of defensive laughter that she does sometimes where it seems like it's orchestrated.

It was a genuine laughter.

And it was fun.

Well, she's a prosecutor.

That's why she kept going into prosecutorial mode.

The same with the so-called debate with Trump. She was prosecuting him.
So she has a switch that she just flips. And she becomes an authority.
And then she, whereas our president, you know, he's kind of him all the time. They're eating the dogs.
I think that won him the election, too. That was awesome.
I mean, that's one of my favorite jingles of all time. They're eating dog they're eating the cats are you kidding me this is that that just like that that's fantastic well it is uh it's very interesting to watch um it all take place it's it's very interesting to uh watch this uh shifting of the consciousness of the country the culture yeah and but also to see the reaction on the left, like to see the really crazy people, like those people at that Worcester Town Hall thing.
It's interesting to see that, too, because you're going to see these really exaggerated grasps at retaining relevancy, like really exaggerated. Well, they're crying out for help is what they're doing.
They're crying out help they've been psyoped i mean i i'm only on x i've i gave up facebook and instagram i'm not interested and x i really only use as kind of an inbox you know people will you know send me stuff and things for the show uh but early on when um uh blue cry was still a uh a secret project within Twitter that Jack Dorsey was running. I knew some people who were in that secret project.
And so I have an account. And I went on there the other day.
I'm like, oh, my Lord, this is horrible. These people are spinning up and spinning out and just going nuts with each other.
And I was like, I don't know how we have to figure out a way. And, you know, President Trump says success will bring us together.
I think that's probably true. But, you know, we can't just I'm a little worried that we're all going to be stomping on them.
You know, it's like, I look at these stupid libs looking out. They're idiots, they're crazy.
And I just feel that, you know, you got to love them and not hate them. You don't have to forget what they've done or what they've said, but they have been abused by multiple entities and systems within our own government and political organizations.
Yeah, also they're in this feedback loop, this echo chamber, and they don't have outside people that are kind.

And everybody outside is the enemy, and they're trying to make their way through life like all of us. But without forgiveness, you have nothing.
You have to be able to forgive people. Yes.
You have to. Without that, there's nothing.
Well, you remain trapped in your own prison your own prison yeah and you're also you have enemies forever that could have been your friends there's no reason for it it's not good for you it's not good for them and it's just like this stubborn inclination that a lot of people have to stick with that like fuck those people forever for life you really shouldn't do that it's not good well especially if those people feel. If they apologize and they realize they've made mistakes, yeah, that's what life's about.
You've got to be able to understand that in the past you've made mistakes and grow. And if we, the people that have made mistakes and grown, do not accept the people that are currently making mistakes and growing, well, then we're hypocrites.
Well, that's the same with COVID. You know, I know many people who either lost their job or were forced to take something they didn't want to take, and they will never forgive them.
Like, I won't forget. Now, forgiving is not the same as forgetting, obviously, but they can't bring themselves to forgive those who were caught up in a massive psychological operation.
And they're held in their own prison of anger. And it's with their own family members.
I mean, it's almost like, did that happen? That just went, we're now back. What are we doing? All these things have gone so fast.
We had an attempt on a president's life. And it's like, we don't know anything.
and – I mean, we're like our heads are on a swivel spinning around. Like what is going on? And I think – And the drones.
You know – What about the drones? So the drone thing, for me, it was so – first of all, there's a base over there, and they're testing some drone technology. But people in the United States, but really around the world, this is how we go through life.
We go through life looking down. I'm a pilot.
I fly helicopters, airplanes. I'm looking up at the sky all the time.
There's a lot going on. There's a lot happening in the sky.
What have you seen? All kinds of things, Joe. What have you seen? I've seen the Starlink satellites go over my house.
Those trip people out. It's amazing.
It's like, whoa. And, you know, like eight or nine in a row, like, whoa.
And they go fast, too. Very fast.
And they seem pretty low, actually. They're only like 60 miles up.
And, of course, once it becomes a story, then every – I know all these people with drones. They're like, dude, I'm going to get in the news.
I'm flying my drone. They got six foot diameter drones flying around.
Of course. I mean, aliens and Chinese drones, they always want to have their red and green anti-collision lights on.
It's important. It's like, I was like, no, no.
And of course, there was some, you know, some actual legislation that they wanted to pass, happened that same week which was to get uh

chinese drones out of america um the dji drones they don't want them um they want to get they passed that the same week this is going on dude same week same week that's that's why they psyoped all of these uh local people and they're all yes oh yeah it was it was that it was these motherfuckers. Yeah, they wanted the DJI

drones no longer to come in

and, you know but really for for law enforcement to also have local authority over drones which they didn't have and now they had they're going to have that as well so they can say hey you with the drone down we're doing something important here right so it's always to remove your freedom trust me whatever the sign yeah that was the same time and all i had i looked at this like okay i'm trained myself like let's go take a look what's going on oh that's interesting isn't it well this is another argument for deregulation too because when it comes to innovation the issue with drones is that if you want like a really high level sophisticated drone in America, you have to have a pilot's license. You do.
Yeah. This is, this is a, that's a big deal.
And the FAA is very involved in the policing. Well, you need that.
I mean, you need that for our skies. Oh, 100%.
Yeah. China don't have that, bro.
They just, they got a social credit course system and no freedom. I talk to a lot of guys who do our audience who just got people in every, you know, we've trained them.
You're producers. You know something about one particular topic.
You have an obligation to let us know. So we have all these guys drone for hobbies, drones for law enforcement, drones for news.
And they all said, you know, these DJI drones, they're so much better than the U.S. drones.
They're just better. They got better stuff, better technology, better cameras.
So they, you know, they're like, I don't want to lose this. And, you know, I guess they will.
The thing is, without the free market, the innovation is going to be stifled. If the innovation is only available to the highest level military contractors, that's crazy.
Like, especially when it comes to drone technology. Like, you're competing with China, and they're doing these enormous light shows with a fucking dragon flying through the sky.
Have you seen some of those things? Yeah, I've seen them fall out and hit people. Oh.
Gotta crack a few eggs if you want to make an omelet at them. I hear you.
I'm glad I don't go to drone shows for this very reason, Joe. I'm careful.
I'm careful about that. Yeah, that's probably like those air shows where they fly jets around.
Like, I'm not going to be on the ground. No, I don't go to those.
That's why I like Starlink because Starlink is really, first and foremost, a military system. And very smartly, I think Elon is very good at marketing.
It's like, let's give this to the people.

You know, so that's everyone.

I mean, I have it as a backup at home.

I have fiber, but I have a star link.

Of course, I want to have this, but it's really a military system.

Dude, I took one with me to the mountains in Utah when I went hunting.

Worked perfectly.

It's the size of this path. Yeah, the to-go, the little to-go thing.

It's incredible.

You can make phone calls.

You can do FaceTime all from the mountains, the middle of nowhere. I know.
I know. We used to dream of, I think I had databelt.com at one point.
I dreamt about, you know, wouldn't it be great if we all have these satellites and they're circling around and we call it the databelt and we'd have all this stuff and, you know, all these things. I can just see the delight of, and of course a lot of it's you know spacex these are very sophisticated nasa people you know there's all kind of the best of the best is in there i think he knows how to hire the right people um and but he's smart at how he markets that he really is i mean the newest thing is they've teamed up with t-mobile so they saw that yeah so.
Compatible phones only, Joe. Right.
So you've gone to flip phone now? I've gone to flip, yeah. So are you texting me on that thing? No.
We do it on Signal so I do that from my computer. Oh, boy, you're a weirdo.
So now you've gone completely flip phone. So you don't text anybody anymore? No, I can text.
I can text message. But it's like T9? No, no.
There's actually... So I still have my Graphene OS, which is the de-googled stuff.
And that? No, you can't put that on here. So this is Android.
But all I really have on here is text messaging, RCS. Can I see it? Yeah.
So I'm still a green bubble. This is a big flip phone.
$63. And it's from Caterpillar, baby.
Whoa. So this is like for job sites.
Yeah, yeah. I bet your battery lasts a year.
How long is the battery? Literally two days if I don't charge. It keeps going.
Oh, yeah. It's no problem.
And so this is Android. And you have a touch screen? Yeah, yeah.
If you text, it pops up. Wow, bro.
This might be the most. The whole thing is it's hard to use, and that's why I like it because I don't want – it's a trap.

Well, reading your text messages is a trip.

What am I saying?

No, they're so small.

This is crazy.

How do you get back?

Use the back button on the keyboard.

Oh, my God.

That's hilarious.

This is hilarious.

In a pinch, I can bring up a web page. In a pinch, I can bring up my email.
Right, but it makes it complicated. Yeah, so I'm hindering myself so that I'm not enslaved to it.
And actually, I hear from our daughters that there's a lot of kids who are doing this now because they want to be more present. So if you want to send a text message, like if you want to get into your messages, what

are you using to send a text message?

Oh, here.

I'll show you.

Are you doing like T9?

No, no, no.

No.

So...

You're typing.

You have a little tiny keyboard that comes on this little tiny screen?

Look, emojis.

Look, emojis for my wife.

Oh, keys.

See?

You just hit that, and then up pops the keyboard.

But you can also swipe.

So you can just swipe, swipe around.

Oh, my God.

This keyboard's hilarious.

You can also do...

I'm going to try to write hello.

Hello.

My wife will be like, what's going on?

Yeah, it's probably auto-completing.

This is terrible.

Yeah, you got to...

I have it in swipe mode.

Yeah.

So just swipe along the letters.

I don't know how to do that.

Yeah, just...

D-L-L-O.

Nope.

High sense.

Nope, didn't work.

Nope, yeah. I have fat-ass fingers, too, man.
This is notL-O. Nope.
Hisense. Nope, didn't work.
Nope, yeah.

I have fat-ass fingers, too, man.

This is not going to work.

It's not easy.

But I, you know, it's like I just need to...

I like talking to people now, too.

Like, it's a great phone for talking to people.

Yeah, talking to people is better.

And you know what's cool?

Do you have navigation on this thing?

No.

Well, I could put it on there.

But then the government will be following you, bro.

It won't work.

But, you know, you talk to someone like...

Yes.

Satisfying.

Yeah, that is satisfying. Satisfying.
And look, it has little alerts if I get a text message so I can see. So if somebody tells you, hey, the meeting got moved to 10 p.m.
I don't have meetings, Joe. Well.
Whatever. Whatever.
No meetings. Our dinner reservations get changed.
You'll get it. Yeah.
You know, Dvorak, my partner on No Agenda, he literally has a phone in his drawer. And he never takes it out.
He has decided, no, I don't use navigation. He lives in San Francisco.
He wants to keep his mind sharp by driving around. And he says, whenever I need a phone, I just turn around to someone and say, hey, man, can I use your phone for a second? There's always someone with a phone, he says.
So if I really needed to look something up, I just ask him for it and good to go. You get the feeling that you need this thing, but you really don't.
Well, you definitely don't if you have a laptop. Yeah.
And spend dedicated time doing certain things. Right.
Especially like if you, I can't keep up with emails. It's impossible.
It just doesn't make sense. See, that's basically all I do.
I can't do it. It doesn't work.
I have filtering and all kinds of stuff. There's like people who will email me 15 times a day.
Okay. And well, the thing is of those 15 messages, there's one gem in there.
Right, but you have to check them every day otherwise in three days you've got 45 messages well it doesn't make any sense how many 45 hundred 45 hundred messages that one guy oh yeah but 15 but i but i put him in his own email box oh i see and so then you know like when i'm prepping for the show, like, no, no, no, no. I can just see.
Right. Maybe.
Boom. Maybe.
Check that out. Yeah.
So I'm a real, that's a, I'm a real information manager. That's by the way, I am not a big believer in the benefits of AI at this moment.
But if it can fix my email, then I'll believe it. And so far, no one's done that with email.
How could it possibly fix your email? It should know what I want to see and what's relevant to me based upon, how about the transcript of my show? Or I mean, all these wonderful inputs I can give it, how come it can't do that? No one has fixed email for me. When you do that, then I'll be a little more of a believer in AI.
Right now, I think it's a great parlor trick. I think it's keeping the stock market afloat.
We've gone through three AI winters. He even has his own wiki page, AI winter.
It comes and goes. At a certain point, Lisp was the programming language, and then that went away, and then funding dries up.
And now it's like, what? We don't really need $100 million to build a model oh but wait a minute they stole that from you so you can copy i'm i run these models at home on my own computer i run the llama model which is uh meta they've open sourced it i've um i've run the french one whatever their frog model whatever they call it and um and thenek, you can also just load that on your own computer. And it's not very impressive.
I mean, it's just not. The error rate is too high.
So I'm skeptical of it really taking off. And I certainly don't think it's sentient or anything of that kind.
I think it's on its way. And I think also the versions that we're getting are not the versions they're currently working on and the people that I know that are in the loop at the highest levels of AI are alarmed including Elon I had a conversation with Elon we went to we were in line together to go to church the day of the inauguration it just happened to be right next to him and we just walked through together like hey what's up and that's all we wanted to talk about was um the leaps that grok ai is making and he's like it's like weekly we're shocked and i think this thing is exponential and when they start attaching large language models to quantum computing it's going to get very, very weird.
That's the pivot I'm waiting for when people start. That's coming, man.
And that's going to be like an asteroid hitting the Yucatan. You know, we've been waiting for quantum computers to actually work for 30 years and it's always 10 years away.
And right now it's 10 years away. Yeah, but right now they're able to do things with them.

They're able to solve very complicated algorithms.

I'm not an expert in this, but there was one computation they did, and that may be a computation it could do.

It's not necessary that you can give it any computation. But you know that the computations that it's doing are so insanely complex that they believe it's proof of the multiverse

Yeah, I've heard this. Yeah, you're not you're not buying it.
No, not at all. Really not for a second.
I know Because I how dare you I know I'm a Luddite. I'm a Luddite.
Look at me. I believe in this.
Yeah, I've got no smoke shake for a number of reasons one number of reasons. One is I'm not using it.

I am the techno guy.

I've always been early in computers, early in the internet, and I just can't find a use for it.

It does some simple things.

It's very good at language.

Honestly, if I was like, okay, here's my situation.

I'm looking for Bible scripture.

It'll come up with something good.

And then I can say, and read it to me like a Baptist pastor. It'll go, hey, brother.
He'll do all that stuff. But okay, it has all of the translations of the Bible in it.
And so it can predict reasonably what scripture will work. It's usually not all that great.
It can do term papers. It're in a position now where people are putting their resume into chat GPT, sending it off.
Thousands of people are sending off for a job. And the other end, the people are taking that resume, putting it into chat GPT and saying, please summarize this resume.
I mean, that's insane. It's like, what are we doing here here that doesn't make any sense if it can fix

my email they'll be very impressed that's all i want that's all i asked a particular puzzle though that's everyone's email is a puzzle it's like you know the spammers get around stuff and they figure it out and you you say report a spam then it comes back in a different way and you know And how many older people especially, but even people our age who get scammed by, you know, these emails that look pretty convincing. And then the minute you click, you know, then you're like, oh, I should put my password in.
And then you're gone. You're done.
There was, there's a phone scam going around right now, which is unbelievable. They had me going for 15 minutes.
I got a call. It was 8 o'clock in the morning, right at 8 o'clock.
And I'm about to walk the dog, so I press it to voicemail. I come back.
I listen. This is the sheriff from Travis County.
And it had a 512 number. And I need to talk to you urgently.
I'm like, okay, this is kind of messed up.

I call back.

I get someone.

Oh, I want sheriff so-and-so.

Yeah, hold on a second.

We'll transfer you.

I'm hearing, you know, like police radio chatter in the background.

The guy gets on and he's saying, well, you were an expert witness.

You were called to be an expert witness in a case.

I just happened to, and maybe this is not coincidence, I was asked to testify on someone's behalf in a case. And so you were supposed to be an expert witness in this case.

You didn't show up. So, you know, you've basically broken federal law and, you know, we have to come

and pick you up and we have to, you know, or you can pay a fine. And then I'm like, okay.
And it

just kept on going. And I'm like, whoa, hold on a second.
It sounded so real. And then at a certain point, he's like, well, you need to get a coupon to send this money.
I'm like, I'm going to call my lawyer. You can't call your lawyer.
I have a do not hang up order. I have to walk you through the whole process.
I'm like, okay, now I got it. But that was 10, 15 minutes minutes later and a lot of people have fallen for this one it's it's good super sophisticated very so is that overseas are they like no spoofing a number no i mean these were american voices it sounded like a sheriff it really did and the deputy sounded like a deputy i mean it was sophisticated It's good.
Wow. How much was the fine? Like $3,000 for this infraction and $2,000 for that infraction.
Two different things. And then you're going to bank transfer so they're going to get your bank numbers.
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Some people I know in Fredericksburg actually went all the way. Wow.
Yeah. Older people.
Right. And they were afraid.
They're like, oh, it's authority. That's how they get you.
I'm sure you've got the one that says, this is my favorite Bitcoin scam. It's like, okay, I've installed a spyware on your computer, and I saw what you were doing looking at that porn site, and I've recorded everything, and I'm going to release it all to your friends and on your social media.
If you don't send me $2,000 in Bitcoin right away, don't even think about contacting the authorities. Have you ever gotten that one? They've sophisticated it even more now.
They'll use your name and your address.

Like, I know you live at this address. It's freaky, man.
So that kind of stuff would be nice

if we could have AI protect us from that. If it can do all these wonderful things,

focus on that. Help people.
Save people now.

Yeah. Cut out the scam.

Yeah.

Speaking of scamming, what do you think about shit coins?

Like, what's your take on, like, Hak tua coin?

Okay.

Melania coin?

Those are more meme coins.

Shit coins, right?

Isn't that what a meme coin is?

So the only coin I believe in is Bitcoin.

And we've talked

about this before right in fact i looked it up hoping you would bring it up two years ago when

i was here the last time bitcoin was around forty thousand dollars today it's close to a hundred

thousand dollars this this will continue to go up uh until we're long gone um it's very interesting

so i don't believe in in shit coins at all because if you have bitcoin has no ceo there's no one in

I'll see you next time. long gone um it's very interesting so i don't believe in in shit coins at all because if you have bitcoin has no ceo there's no one in charge of it it's literally tens of thousands of people around the world who run these nodes that make it open and make it run and keep it at this 21 million coin limit i'm totally down with bitcoin okay i'm with you good but i think the shit coin thing is fascinating, that anybody can create a coin.
Yeah. You know, like Jamie has a pull-it-up Jamie coin.
I don't know if you know that. Well, but you- I did not make it.
Don't put that on me. Do not.
It's out there now. I mean, now that you just said it, now that we just said it, because we brought it up yesterday with the Boneyard guy, with John Reeves, and we said, you should have your own coin.oneyard coin and now apparently somebody made one so this is you bring this up in context of scams because they are scams the way it's trouble so if if i wanted to make a quick quick amount of money i'd have a a shit coin and have my bots ready and i'd say hey joe have you heard about my my curry coin and you'd be like no wait and it would come out and it would skyrocket my bots would sell it i would make a lot of money and it would be dumped right away it's a scam over and over and over what if you don't sell it yeah then then you'll have uh empty bits worth nothing but if you so it's only available for pump and dumps that's what that's the only thing it's good for it's it's not good for anything else.
What about if you wanted to use it to finance charity? Is it possible to do that? Bad idea. Bad idea.
Is it a bad idea? Yeah. A lot of charities now, they will accept Bitcoin.
And why is that good? Because people have Bitcoin, and I have some Bitcoin. I've been saving my Bitcoin for a long time.
Instead of selling it, to which I then have to pay capital gains over the difference between what I bought it for and sold it at, I can give it to the charity. I can still take my tax deductible write-off.
They can do one of two things. They can convert it right away into dollars, no capital gains because it's the same minute.
So I've actually been able to give more than I would have. Or they can sell some of it and hold some of it for a longer term.
I really, really believe in Bitcoin. And what we're seeing now, there is something interesting going on.
Our dollar is in big, big trouble. And President Trump knows this.
This falls into kind of the tariffs talk. Have you heard about stable coins? No.
Okay. Do you mind if I just give a little- Yeah, go ahead.
Sure. Our monetary system, it really started after World War II, 1944.
We were nearing the end of the war. D-Day was coming, or maybe it just happened.
We're getting pretty close. And Europe in particular was very worried that after the war, they would fall into the same Great Depression that happened after World War I when we had the Great Depression.
So they brought in all the economists and all the money. People got on the Queen Mary and went to the States to Bretton Woods.
You've heard of Bretton Woods probably. No.
The Bretton Woods system? Okay. So, Bretton Woods is just this resort.
They all got together,

and they decided that they would have a new monetary system for the entire world. I'm not

an economist, but I've looked at this long enough to understand it. And when they came out after

two weeks, they said, okay, we're going to have this thing called the International Monetary Fund,

the IMF, and they're going to manage the interest rates, or they manage the currency exchange,

I'm going to go this thing called the International Monetary Fund, the IMF, and they're going to manage the interest rates or they manage the currency exchange between all the individual countries with the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency.
So we became the money of the world and we back it by gold. And the idea was one dollar could always be exchanged for 35 ounces of gold.
And when you're the reserve currency, everyone has to have the dollar. So everybody wanted our dollar.
What did we do? We signed the Marshall Plan. We sent tens, just billions of dollars over.
All our companies went into Europe, started building factories. And so the dollar kept going in.
All these other currencies kind of came a little bit weaker because we were so strong with our money. And then people got a little worried about the dollar.
They looked around and went like, hey, do you guys have the gold to back that up in Fort Knox? Of course we didn't because we just kept printing money and sending it over. And then you get into this thing called the Triffin dilemma.
And that means that when you are the reserve currency, your currency is basically overvalued and you can't export anything. And that's exactly – I'm skipping over a lot, but that's where we are today.
Our products are too expensive to ship to China and sell in China because of the value of our dollar. This is why President Trump is saying, hey, all our money is flowing out towards you.
We need to get some of that back. So we're going to raise tariffs.
I think it's a short term solution. So I think two things will happen.
One is we have this sovereign wealth fund, which you've heard him talk about the sovereign wealth fund. So in that will be the value of our public land that the government owns and all kinds of other things.
It will be valued at this astronomical amount. And in that will also be the strategic Bitcoin reserve that the president promised.
Now we get stable coins. This is a crazy, crazy thing that's happened.
There's this – so a stable coin is a digital dollar. It's pegged to the dollar, so it's always a dollar.
And you can pay with this through the internet, through apps and everything. It's already being used all over the world.
The only reason it's worth a dollar is because the stablecoin company that creates it, they have debt and paper to back it up. So they buy America's debt.
They get treasury bonds or T-bills, which actually pays a dividend. So you get interest on that.
And for each dollar they have bought in treasuries, they can create a stablecoin. So if you look at the company Tether, they have bought more of the United States debt than most countries.
They have $160 billion worth of U.S. debt.
And for each of those dollars, they've created a stable coin, which now people can use all over the world transacting. And what's their business? There's like 50 people in the company.
So they have $160 billion at 4% interest annually. They're making bank just for holding this debt.
So I think President Trump is very smart and he's seen that we can flood the world with our stable coin and you kind of get a two for one. So you create a dollar of debt, but then you create another dollar on top that can be used all over the world as the reserve currency.
And that should probably result in, I don't know, the Mar-a-Lago Accord or some new monetary system that we're going to have to come up with to really have our dollar be valued properly but also still remain the reserve currency and remain the strong export country that we need to be. Because, you know, what do we do? We don't make anything that we sell abroad.
You know, we can't all be, you know, serving each other burgers and fries and washing each other's cars and cleaning each other's homes. We have to We something.
And all of that went overseas. Everything.
Everything we got, all of the stuff on this table. This, you know, it didn't come out of his butt.
This is from China. Although, I don't know.
So there's something big coming, really big, and it has to happen. And Trump is a very meta guy.
People misunderstand.

He's going to refi the country. He's a real estate guy.
He's going to figure out a way to refi it, and it'll be digital. And a lot of the Bitcoiners don't like this because they like Bitcoin to be the money that the whole world uses.
That may one day happen, but now it's more like the digital gold. You can keep your value in it.
And I can send a billion dollars, if I had it, I could send a billion dollars to another country, to another person in 10 minutes, and no one can stop me. So it's a very useful tool, but it hasn't quite turned out to be money or currency the way it was originally intended.
But it's going to be a very important part of it. I think you'll see Bitcoin be a part of that strategic reserve.
It's easier than sending gold, you know, than, oh, I'm going to ship you a billion dollars worth of gold. I need, you know, armored cars.
I need dudes, everything, security and ships and whatever. So it'll be a part of it and you'll still be able to use it between people.
But it looks to me like stable coin and tether in particular is going to be the future of the U.S. dollar payments.
And this is where a lot of people on the right, certainly, are very afraid of control grid, you know, because a stable coin is not necessarily like Bitcoin. You can stop it.
You can control it. You can see who sent what to whom.
There's a lot of fear about this. And particularly, although i don't see any maliciousness um this fear that elon and the paypal mafia and peter teal all guys you've met all guys you've had on the show i think are actually quite nice people that they're going to bring in the new with ai and we're all going to be locked in and you know stargate will bring cancer mrna vaccines that'll be mandated i mean people are spinning up over this stuff and i'm not saying that they necessarily wrong or there should be no concern but we are moving towards a digital dollar and it will have aspects of control which is why i like the backup of bitcoin so i can still transact and do things without anybody being able to stop it.
And you're going to get none of that with a shit coin. Nothing.
When FTX, that scandal, what were they trading in? Was that all meme coins? Was that different cryptos? Is there a difference between meme coins and established crypto coins? Well, an established, anything but Bitcoin has someone who can change the ledger, who can change the blockchain. Bitcoin, you can't do that.
It's a beautiful system. The checks and balances are immutable.
I mean that's the beauty of Bitcoin. Any other blockchain that is owned or operated by a company or people can be and will be manipulated.
And FTX was one of those. What I believe FTX was really used for was slush fund into Democrat Party and politicians, not just, also to some Republicans as well.
That kid, that Sam Bankman Fried, he got abused by his parents, I think. I'm just alleging this.
I don't want to get sued over it. But when you see what was going on there and the money that was just being slushed right through into different foundations.
Well, his parents were Democratic operatives, right? Big time. They had nonprofits and all kinds of— And he was the number two donor to the Democratic Party.
That's right. Which is crazy.
That's right. And you're doing that to kind of buy your way through this shenanigans.
That's what it seemed like to me, yeah. Because you're doing shenanigans.
Big time. And they're all also doing amphetamines and polyamorous relationships in the Bahamas.
It's a polycule, Joe. It's just a polycule.
I mean, it was sad for these kids because they were just all excited and doing stuff. And, you know, I mean, I've raised money from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital.
And, you know, when you get them all googly gaga over, oh, this guy was so cool. He was sitting in the pitch meeting and he was playing a video game.
He's such a genius. I mean, what? Are you kidding me? Right.
Venture capital investors are not necessarily the most sophisticated. Well, they want results.
And if they're getting results, they'll put on the blinders. I was just reading about Elizabeth Holmes.
Oh, yeah. I love that story.
She got screwed. She got screwed? Oh, yeah.
How so? Well, okay. So she was in a situation where the so-called smartest investors in the world, which included Colin Powell, and, you know, everyone was in on this deal.
Everyone's like, you got to get your money in now. You know, bring everybody in.
We got this big fund. This is going to be it.
This is the blood test. It'll change medicine.
And, you know, they hyped her up.

They put her in the magazine.

They got on, you know, she was looking like the female Steve Jobs.

And she got caught up in it.

And falsified.

But you're taking agency away from her.

She changed her voice.

She started dressing like Steve Jobs.

She started lying about results.

She fired people that didn't go along with it.

Yes.

But does she deserve to go to jail for 10 years for ripping off people who were stupid? Yes. Really? Well, you can't rip people off.
I think you have restitution and things that you can do. Hundreds of millions of dollars people lost.
Like, that's not restitution. You don't have that money.
You're not going to pay it back because your product sucks. So they've dumped all money it's a civil it's a civil crime and there's there's definitely some blame on the investors but the investors were too big to look stupid so i think they pushed a little bit more on her than she does i'm not trying to defend her her false vacation at all yeah but not for 10 years.
How long? A couple days? Yeah, just a couple days.

Yeah, just enough to transition, Joe. Yeah, just enough to become a dude and then we're good to go.
No, I mean, it's just another example of big money being stupid. And maybe they could just admit that.
You know, like they pushed her. I know how it goes.
I know. I remember we had a pod show, which was, you know, a lot of sophisticated investors, Kleiner and, um, uh, and Sequoia, you know, this is like the same people, Elon.
I met Elon when, uh, when they launched the Tesla, I was at the, at the hangar where they, where they did the first test drives. It was, it was interesting.
Um, and I was like, this guy seems like on the spectrum. He's not really talking much.
It's like, what's going on here? You know, it's like, what's happening with this? And, you know, so we were doing podcasting. So this is right after, maybe a year after Steve Jobs put it into iTunes and the iPod.
And so there was money coming in. And, you thing they said is, you've got to be in San Francisco.
Well, if you want a media company, where's the last place you want to be is San Francisco? You need to be LA or New York. No, no, no, you got to be here.
Why do they want you to be in San Francisco? So they could come and see the office and check out the operation and make sure their money's being spent well. How often are they gonna visit oh you have no idea they're always dropping by and like what's going on and so you're doing reports and they just want to hang out with the cool guy yeah well that too maybe but then you know it was definitely a struggle we were actually kind of profitable for a bit there but it was you know like go daddy ads with promo codes you know code bon gino i mean it was like you know it was like yeah is it are people really listening are they just using the codes and there was there's always a lot of scams in the honey scam well no not like that no there's there's scams of you know when companies need to we didn do this, but when companies need to raise more money in Silicon Valley, then they'll buy some traffic from bots.
And I'm sure it happens with comedy videos, too. People are like, I need some traffic on this video.
Let me buy some bots on something. Oh, you definitely can do that, right? Right, of course.
Yeah. But then at a certain point, YouTube had come out, you know, and, oh, YouTube, everyone has to do video now.
You got to do video. You can't do audio now you got to do video you can't do audio got to do video and then it got even worse like we sat in a in a board meeting like have you seen juiced juice juice I'm like do you remember juiced j-o-o-s-t oh yeah it was the guys who built Skype they built this video platform that was basically a peer-to-peer streaming television shows and there was no doubt about it you've got to go video be more like juiced make your interface like juiced so at a certain point you're like well what am i going to do am i going to risk running out of money am i going to listen to what they say do they really know what they're talking about and ultimately you know the company ran for 10 years and exited, you know, it just kind of got folded into other things.
So it's not a great investment of their money or my time, honestly. Well, it's kind of amazing that the big video platform is still just YouTube.
And now, you know, YouTube just passed Netflix now is the most watched thing on television. Oh, they're the big, they're not even counted in the streaming data in the the streaming wars, but yeah, they're the big...
I have YouTube TV. I don't...
I cut the cable. I don't watch...
I don't have cable anymore. It's like, I've just...
I watch YouTube on TV more than I watch anything, because there's so much variety. There's so many different things you can search.
The fact that you could essentially find anything... Like, if I'm interested in, you know, some particular region of the world of ancient history i just punch that into youtube and i've hundreds if not thousands of videos on it it took them a long time um to get i think to make that profitable inside of google because if you if you see how many videos are being uploaded daily and transformed into digital video and i mean it's it's crazy the amount of computation that goes into YouTube and the amount of bandwidth that is being sent.
So I think it took a long time. They never really reported the numbers.
They've only done that in the past couple of years with how much revenue. Now, of course, YouTube is making bank.
I mean, it's really, it's an incredible system. It's shocking that no one has come up with anything even remotely close.

It would take too much money.

It's so much investment that goes into doing that.

It's a lot.

I mean, you remember your bandwidth cost back in the day pre-Spotify.

You know, think how do you solve that when you have 100 million videos being posted every single day?

Yeah, you can't.

I mean, it's insane.

You'd have to have billions of dollars in startup money.

And then you're still struggling to get people to use your app.

Like, you remember that one company that came up?

Was it Quibi?

What was it?

Yes.

Was that what it was?

They spent so much money.

Was it Katzenberg?

Katzenberg.

I do not remember.

It was a Hollywood thing.

It was Quibi.

It was a Hollywood thing.

I think it was Quibi, Jamie.

And they got a bunch of famous people to do short videos.

Short drama.

Yeah.

they put

Thank you. and um i do not remember it was a hollywood thing it was a hollywood i think it was queeby jamie and they got a bunch of famous people to do short short short drama yeah and they put two billion dollars in and yeah gone they blew it real quick because you can't can't manufacture something that goes viral no yeah you can't and that's kind of like tiktok we talked about tiktok last time was here.
And, you know, obviously it's not an issue now that China is spying through TikTok because it's still here. I think, as I told you then, I think it's because they were eating Silicon Valley's lunch, you know, doing $4 billion, taking away revenue from them.
and just looking at the people who sponsored the bill, it seemed like they had a lot of donations from Google and Amazon.

That just seemed to me like there might be some issues there. But what people misunderstand about TikTok is it's not just about the videos and the format and how it flies by.
It's about the shop. The shop is their magic sauce.
If you look at the back end, the influencers who get paid on TikTok, they have this whole back end with rankings and who sold more stuff. Half the videos on TikTok, once you get out of your algo, half of them are about products and people are just selling products.
And it's all from china and it's all been coming in under the 800 de minimis um tax regulation so there's no there's no import duty or anything paid on it they actually have i think team you now has warehouses in america so it's just chinese crap that we're buying over and over again as wildly successful it It's not really about the ads. Do you get ads on TikTok, a lot of ads? I don't use TikTok.
Okay, good. Yeah.
So when it was going to go away, I'm like, I got to get this app. I got to see what happens.
You know, it's like, this is going to be crazy. So I get the app and I'm using my Graphene OS phone so I can lock off all access.
All it had was my location. Can't hide that from the IP address and my name.
You can get TikTok on a Graphene phone? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, and you can actually block it from accessing your contacts, block it from- But still, that was too much for you. You had to go to a flip phone.
That's interesting. Well, that was my experimental thing.
And so all it knew was Adam Curry in the Hill Country. And I think it went, Curry, black name, Hill Country.

It was probably about 50 churches where he is.

Boom, right away.

I'm getting black preachers, Hellstone, Brimfall.

Oh, yeah.

And it's just like, and on and on and on.

It's been phenomenal.

And some of these guys are pretty good.

The ones that fall back, you know, it's's like and the guy catches them every single time and so their algorithm is just give that person more of what they want they're not they're not trying to do like us like in like you know meta or i'm not sure about x how that works but let me inject some people who are against it or have a counter argument. Like when I was on the last time and I talked about my coming to Jesus, dude, there were TikTok videos with millions of views of just this one bit.
And if you looked at it one time, you get the same over and over again. You get all kinds of Jesus stuff back and forth.
That's all. Not anyone going, yeah, you guys are crazy.
This is no good. None of that.
So it's a very friendly. It's kind of the Chinese model.
It's like give people what they want and don't try to interject them or spin them up or get them angry and then throw an ad in their face when they're all emotional. So it's very different.
It's very different kinds i don't know if it'll be worth anything to anyone buying it unless you have the shop portion without that i don't know i don't think they'd have all that too

i mean you gotta have you gotta have the products if you gotta have the cheap chinese products

that's what that's that's the problems like do you have that that stuff i mean you'd have to

be buying them from china yeah it's it's fun for you know for us like oh you know different

And That's the problem. Do you have that stuff? You'd have to still be buying them from China.
Yeah. It's fun for us.
Like, oh, different crazy people. I mean, Dvorak uses it all the time.
He's in an algo of just nut jobs. He's like, blue hair, look at this.
He plays clips on the show. I'm like, dude, you got to do something else with your life during the day.
It's just amazing how many of those kooky people are getting so much traction. And that was the thought that it was a Chinese psyop, that they were accentuating all these people.

And that was like ruining the culture of America because it was showing you all these blue haired psychopaths with beards and lipstick and nail polish.

It's really.

So I heard the same thing from I heard people saying, dude, you're wrong. They want to get rid of TikTok because that's where MAGA lives.
I'm like, huh? And then it was, because that's all they got. They got MAGA.
That's all they got, right. Because that's what offends them.
So they interact with that. Exactly, exactly.
So it's just, it's very, social media, the internet in general was kind of a bad idea. It's kind of hurt, it's good for many things, but it's two sides of the same coin.
It's good and bad. Why would you say it's a bad idea, though? I think it's a great idea.
Well. I mean, you were just talking about to shift the balance of information.
Because of the PSYOPs. If we're not aware of the PSYOPs, you know, the DARPA, the Defense Agency Research Project.
Agency.

Agency.

I had too many agencies in there.

DARPA.

Since the 70s, they've been looking at social networks.

And really, there's a guy, he came up with the law of large numbers.

And they figured out that in a computer network, regardless of the content, depending on if you have enough nodes, you can predict where the information will flow. So if I'm talking about something here, if they boost the right nodes, they can predict where that information will go.
And that's how, I don't think even Elon can stop that from happening. It's not an algorithm thing.
It's literally like a law of nature thing that just that's the way it will flow. And you can start injecting things through the right nodes and you'll propagate some message.
And, I mean, I think it's happening all the time everywhere. I mean, once you start looking, it's like, well, where's that coming from? Well, I think we need to educate people on how to digest social media.
And, you know, I think you should treat it the same way you treat junk food. You know, and I think there's certain aspects of social media that are really interesting.
And I like them. I mean, most of what I get on social media is what my friends send me so that's sure that's how I do it sure and this is how I stay sane mm-hmm it's like my friends send me wacky things and I go oh my god what is this like my me my friend Christina Pazitsky she sends me like the the nuttiest like trans activist screaming and nutty guys who think that they're women and then me and Tom Segura we exchange murder videos murder and car accidents and animal attacks and then you know before breakfast No, I try not to in the morning But sometimes I have to check my text message because I have business stuff and things on, you know, guests and this and that.
And so I do check, but you know, it's just,

it's very intoxicating to just sit there on the toilet and just start scrolling.

Toilet scroller.

But you gotta, you know, you gotta develop discipline and discipline's important for

every aspect of your life. And you just, you have to know like when you've had too much.

But that's, that's not easy for young kids. Right.
It's not. But I think they can learn just like they've learned everything else in this world.
But you need parental guidance and most of the parents are hooked on it themselves. Well, I think they need a message.
And I think this conversation is part of that message. I think kids need to realize you are wasting time.
If you spend two hours just scrolling through TikTok, you have wasted time. And there's stuff that you probably should be doing, and you're going to be depressed if you don't do those things.
You're going to feel weird. You're not going to feel satisfied.
You're not going to feel like you're on a good path. You're going to not have a lot of respect for yourself if you just sit on the couch all day and scroll through TikTok, which many people listening to this have done a whole day, just sitting there eating chips, scrolling through TikTok and just wasting your day.
That is possible to do. I think there's ways that you can incorporate it into your life where it's interesting, you know, and I've got good algorithms now, especially on YouTube, but pretty good algorithms on Instagram too, where most of the stuff it's showing me is stuff I'm actually interested in.
Do you get those videos when you're interested in a topic and then there'll be like five different videos that are being suggested to you and about five minutes in you're like, this is just an AI voice that's cobbled a whole bunch of old things together, and it's a new version of it.

Oh, yeah.

I'm not learning anything.

Yeah, there's always those.

There's a lot of that.

There's always those, too.

A lot of that.

I think YouTube is the best because, like, I'm interested in specific subjects, right?

Like, I'm a car nut.

I love old cars in specific subjects in particular.

This, by the way, lots of people love restored things.

People love restored cars. We love – you have you have i think do you still have your car which one um the corvette oh yeah i mean beautifully restored just just peak last time i saw it which was i think in la this is what i think the president is doing he's trying to restore us back to being that great American muscle car.
And I think people, everybody loves a beautiful restored muscle car. You know what I mean? Well, America is making real muscle cars right now.
Like this is one of the rare times where America's got very exciting automobiles that are out now. You know, we've talked a bunch of times about the Corvette zr1 which is breaking all these laps that's the is that the mid-engine is the mid-engine 1 000 horsepower corvette that tina won't let me buy one i'm like let me buy no it's just you got to put your foot down no no i'm good i'm good no no no no's like, that's a douchebag car.
Yeah, for me, it would be kind of douchey. Why? Yeah, I mean, I- It's awesome.
Don't think that way. That's silly.
Ever since I started flying 350 miles an hour, I don't care about how fast they go on the ground, Joe. It's not even how fast you go.
It's just- Well, that's why I like old cars, because it's not even how fast they go. I had a C5, though.
I did have a long time ago. Those are cool.
Yeah. They were a little shitty, actually.
They really got good around C7. C7 was nasty.
That heads-up display was cool, though. It was like...
Oh, C5 had a heads-up display? Yeah, it had a heads-up display. Look at that.
That's the new one. That's the ZR1.
Come on, son. That is not a douchebag car.
That's a goddamn American work of art. Yeah.
That's a fucking American work of art. Yeah.
Yeah, it's nice. Can I get my dog in it, though? Look I get my dog 95 pounds what is he she is a she uh great Pyrenees Akbosh rescue mutt oh that's yeah completely white I didn't mean to misgender your dog yeah she's very angry how awesome that looks man you don't take your dog everywhere reward yourself Adam Curry you Adam Curry.
You're the pod father. Get a fucking Corvette.

Look at that thing.

That's beautiful.

It's a cockpit inside of that thing.

That is beautiful.

And the performance of that is unparalleled.

It's an amazing automobile.

A friend of mine, because he's a real American car nut.

Real American hero.

He just bought a Tesla Model 3.

And he bought it for the autopilot. He says, I wish this came in 16-cylinder, you know, multi-turbo.
He says. Oh, yeah.
But he says the autopilot, he just loves that. He loves the autopilot.
I have a S, the Plaid. I have a Plaid Tesla, the four-door larger sedan.
Yeah? Does it have the autopilot? Yeah. Full self-drive? It's incredible.
It's incredible. I don't use it that much.
I like to drive. But just the capability of the car is amazing.
Yeah. The speed and the effortlessness in which it merges with traffic and just takes off.
With no sound. It's beautiful, man.
It's beautiful. Yeah.
But it's different. So I like old air-cooled Porsches.
I had a 911 a long time ago. They're not fast.
They're not fast compared. Do you have a manual? Manual? Yeah, always.
With the truck clutch, like, oh, you got to push that thing in. Well, they're floor-mounted, too.
They're different. The old Porsches are different.
But what they are is a physical experience. It's like a ride.
It's a fun, exhilarating experience where you hear the... You hear the engine.
You're shifting the gears yourself. It's exciting and engaging.
And that is more important to me sometimes than just speed. I don't need to go fast.
It's not even about going fast. It's the whole experience.
Yeah, you're feeling the rear end break a little with your ass. You know,

as it fucking can't do that anymore

in these modern cars, man.

It doesn't work anymore.

We used to put

Porsche engines

into VW buses

back in the day.

Oh, Jesus.

That was awesome.

That was probably fun.

You can fit it

in a Beetle, too.

You can fit a Porsche engine

into a Bug.

Oh, yeah.

A lot of people

have done crazy

Beetle transformations

where they've hyped up

Porsche engines

and put them

in the back

of those things. Yeah, there's a whole like modding community of Beetle transformations where they've hyped up Porsche engines and put them in the back of those things.
Yeah. There's a whole, like, modding community of Beetle freaks that take Beetles.
They're Volkswagen. They're Volkswagen.
Remember how many there were in the 70s coming in from Germany? We all had a – I had a 1303. I loved my Beetle.
It was the best. Yeah, when I was a kid, my friend Jimmy had one.
He had a Beetle. It was just cheap on gas.
It was easy to drive. Mine was like I had to jumpstart it because the lock had broken.
So you jumpstarted it every time you got in? You jumpstarted every time you got in, and then I'd lost my gas cap, and so I just had a rag in there. Oh, God.
And if I went around the highway to the right, and if my tank was too full, then gas would leak out and my front tire would start to slide off. Oh, Jesus.
It was the experience. Back in, you know, when we were 18, you know, just like, eh, I got to drive this thing.
It was great. I loved, that was a good.
We weren't scrolling on TikTok, Joe Rogan. We were doing dangerous stuff.
That's true. We were jumpstarting our cars.
Well, I think we're lucky that we've seen both. We grew up in a time where there was no internet, and you were going outside to do things, and people did physical activities.
But then as we got older, we recognized that there's this new technology that's connecting the whole world in this weird way, and we're getting to experience it as people who know the world before that. I think we're real lucky.
Well, you're a big part of a change, certainly, in young men. I mean, I've seen so many young men who follow you and follow your workout regime and follow, you know, listen to you.
They listen to you about what you're saying about health, about food. And you're an important voice in that regard.
You've really, really helped a lot of young men in our country and far beyond. I mean, I know you don't take compliments like this well, but it's very important what you've done.
But I'm very happy. Very, very important what you're doing.
There's a lot of young men that just feel like real disconnected to the world. Nothing seems to be anything that is interesting to them.
And they're being pushed into this box where someone's trying to turn them into a fucking chihuahua you know like this is like the evolution of the wolf into the dog that's what's happening with men like for some reason men are supposed to be neutered you know um there's um in the six so i've been ever Ever uh i got saved and become a believer there i've really learned about our american history and i've been blown away by how much because a lot of you know you talk about the 60s and when they outlawed psychedelic drugs and put it on schedule one that was the exact same time when the bible was basically taken out of school and it was, you know, and I think the church in general, you know, kind of went into itself and kind of, you know, became, you know, a thing you do over there on Sundays. Can we pause real quick? You got to pee? You got to pee? Yeah.
Let's pause. We'll come back.
We'll talk about Jesus. We'll be right back.
Yeah. All right.
We're back. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, man.
Much better, right? Thank you. Thank you.
So we were going to talk about the vaping thing because you're saying that there's nothing wrong with vaping. Well, I didn't say there's nothing wrong with vaping.
So what is that? Can I see it? Yeah. Can I hold it? Yeah.
So this is a brick. I mean, you could hurt somebody with this.
If you wanted to fuck somebody up, if you get a good grip. Yeah.
yeah. It's like brass knuckles almost.
Like holding a roll of pennies. Yeah.
No, you wouldn't do that. You're going to break your hand.
That's all silly. That's why I carry my gun.
That's probably better. That's the battery.
This is heavy. So when I gave up, I've always- Can I take a pull of this? Yeah, yeah.
How do you do it? The top button.

Press the button.

Yeah, press it and just suck.

What is the flavor of this?

Tobacco-ish.

Yes, tobacco, basically.

That was a little hit.

Yeah, you kind of got to...

You take a big one, right?

Let it warm up a little bit.

Yeah, press the button and then there you go.

It's crackling. Yeah, yeah, go, go, go, go, go.
There you go. Oof.
That's definitely different than the gas station ones. Oh, you don't want those.
This is organic juice. It's got 0.3% nicotine.
I wind my own coil made out of silver. The cotton is American-made cotton, not from China.
No, I've got into this. Cotton? Cotton? What's the cotton for? So if you look at the mechanism, see? Okay.
So the cotton sucks up the juice and then the coil warms up. So the cotton's like the filter? No, the cotton has the juice in it.
And then when the coil warms up, it creates the vapor from the juice that's in it. So do you have to constantly refresh the cotton? Yeah.
And so you just dunk your cotton in the juice? No, no, no. The juice is inside.
It's in the tank. Yeah.
It has little wires in there. So you just put new cotton in every now and again? again yeah and i unwind a new coil from time to

time how long do you have to wait before you put new cotton in it depends i do it usually at once every couple of days that doesn't give me the weird head rush that the gas station ones do that's chinese crap that's what i like though i like all right good luck to you i would like the first hit that's what you like off those the gas station vapes it's like you're chasing a. You get that first hit and you're like, first hit's like, ah, so relaxing.
And then after that, you never get that again. So I really got into this.
There was a store in Fredericksburg called Vaporlicious. They've retired now.
They've retired. Jerry and Kathy and they're two old hippies from- Why did they make it so unwieldy? Well, you can get all kinds of different versions, but I'm a serious user, so I need this whole battery.
I have a whole kit with me, man. I got a screwdriver to open this up and put a new battery in.
And that doesn't fuck with your lungs or your health or anything like that? No, I've never felt this good. Okay, and so this is different juice.
So what is the juice? Because the thing about the actual oil is the issue, right? Yeah. And this is a thing like a lot of these cheap ones that you're buying off the gas station.
You don't know what's in there. Right.
This is glycol, which is essentially the same stuff that's in the theatrical mist machines. Okay.
Only much watered down. And all it does is just produce vapor.
And so what is vapor? Well, it's mainly water. And, of course, you're mixing it with nicotine.
And nicotine, you know, that's the piece that I've always liked about smoking. But now I don't get the tar.
I don't get all other contaminants. And I also don't get high.
You know, I stop. I kind of stop.
I used to smoke a lot of weed. I stopped.
It's just I haven't felt like doing it anymore, you know, like a glass of wine. But no.
And so this, I do have gorilla grip on it. It's like everywhere I go, I'm like, where's my vape? Where's my vape? So I'm fully aware I'm addicted to more the motion of it because, I mean, I would roll up, you know, I could roll them with one hand behind my back i'm doing it so long so a real spliff with tobacco with weed and then it will go out and i put it down and i come up pick it up again at a certain point it was like three in the morning i'd wake up like i think i'll go roll it roll a joint you know i smoke a whole spliff go back to bed i mean it to be a little – I was smoking a lot.
And without it, I'm very productive, Joe. Isn't that crazy? I got to tell you, I'm super productive.
I'm doing all kinds of things. Well, nicotine is very good for productivity.
As does caffeine. Well, those are my two drugs, caffeine and nicotine.
I kind of dig it. I really do.
They're very good for productivity. Yeah.
Is there any bad stuff? I mean, I know it constricts your blood flow in your mouth and in other parts probably. I mean, obviously you're putting something in your stream.
So I don't know. But you like those pouches? Yeah, I do.
But I wanted to see what happens if I took time off and I went out of the country for five days and didn't bring him and I was fine.

Didn't bother me at all.

I was like, I was, I was wondering if I'd be like itching for one.

Like I'm okay on the plane.

I can fly to Europe.

I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm okay.

I don't, I don't need to vape.

Can you go in the bathroom and just get a quick one in there on the plane?

You know, this is a very bad idea.

You do not want to be caught vaping on the plane. Oh really? course i had that set off a fire alarm um i don't know can you blow it right into the toilet uh no you can do what they call zero zero zero vape which is basically you inhale and you just hold it in until until nothing comes out oh wow yeah or you know i've done one of they go under your jacket.
Yeah, I know. I've seen people do that at the movie theater and stuff.
That is not approved behavior, so I do not condone that. It's okay.
I can handle not vaping for eight hours or whatever. So what's in the gas station ones when you're getting that? Who knows? What's in the oil? Who knows? Who knows? That's maybe what killed some people early on in covid you know it might have been bad uh a lot of thc of course these pre-made cartridges you just don't know what's in it it's like no don't don't vape that stuff do not vape the pre-made things i mean this is fun you get to learn how to do it it's manufacturing you know it's you get into i can really get into it like i got this this diameter silver wire and five you know you do five um five loops or six loops for different impedance oh yeah there's a whole i mean this tank you know this thing is like it's you try different i have must have 18 different vapes that i've tried like this is the one somebody gave me.
Somebody gave me one at one point in time. It was like – it was carrying around a phone.
It was like I was carrying around – it was the size of your flip phone. Yeah.
And I'm like, this is ridiculous. That's me, baby.
That's me. That's me.
I don't want to have another heavy thing in my pockets or in my fanny pack. It's like, it's too much.
Yeah. No, this is okay.
I mean, it's all right. And then this thing.
But you decided that the phone was too invasive, even with the graphene OS. Yeah.
Yeah, because you could still do everything, just not being tracked. And so I used to go to bed.
We go to bed at the same time. We always watch some stupid, like we're in season seven of Seinfeld right now.
So we'll watch a half hour of stupidity. And then we we go to bed and I used to be on my phone, you know, for half an hour scrolling stuff or whatever.
And then, you know, okay, I'm tired. Yeah.
Because my brain has been working overtime on whatever inputs I'm giving it. And now I'm like, well, there's nothing to scroll.
So I just go to bed and I'm out in three seconds. I'm like, I sleep and I sleep all the way through and I wake up in the morning.
I'm refreshed. I feel good.
I don't look at social media the first hour I'm up. I do Bible readings and stuff and devotionals and my text a buddy of mine.
And I'm ready, man. Do you do social media in the morning? No.
Almost not at all. So when you do it, you do it from a computer? Yeah.
If you check it out at all? Yeah. And when you do it from a computer yeah you check it out yeah and when you do that one of the questions i had about that does that do voice to text it can andrew oh that's a game however um of course when you do that google is basically keeping your transcript there's a company in austin called futo wait a minute so if you just text it doesn't keep your transcript? Oh, I'm sure it does.
But if you, I'm not sure what, how much of that it does. But when you read, when you speak into it, it goes to the Google servers, the Google server then transcribes it and sends it back to your phone.
It's not happening on the phone. It's happening on Google servers and they probably keep all of that or my, or whatever.
There's a company in Austin called FUTO, F-U-T-O, and they have an open source voice-to-text system that don't keep your transcripts, and they're some good guys. I've been messing with that.
It's not quite as fast as Google. And will that work on that phone? Yeah, you can install it.
Really? Yeah, just as an extra keyboard. But do you ever send messages with Google Voice or with voice to text on that phone? I've been using Futo.
Oh, you have been on that phone? Yeah. So I use it on my phone all the time, like when I'm in my car.
I press the little button for Apple Siri. Yeah, so who knows what Apple's doing with that? You don't know.
Sending it right to China, all the memes. Maybe, maybe.
I don't know. I don't know.
It's's all right it's okay yeah so i went to boston you live in boston didn't you so we went to go see the doobie brothers and when was this last year really they're a lot they're around yes and it was a wild it was it was in massachusetts it was one of these um you know these amphitheaters that's half covered.

And we were the youngest people there.

And people were sparking weed.

You could smell the whole place.

They're like 80-year-old dudes smoking doobies.

It was amazing.

And the Doobie Brothers play.

And it was like, what?

It was the first 45 minutes is them doing it. This is from our album from ago dude we want china grove you know you know give us long train running so eventually they get into that but then they would like michael mcdonald's what a fool believes you know i love that song he would do it syncopically like what instead of doing the song like we all remember it he'd do what a fool believe he's like no no don't do that it was really disappointing but the opening act was steve winwood steve winwood's now almost 80 years old and i get goosebumps just thinking about it he railed he wailed he did you know mr fantasy from traffic sure which that three quarters of that song is's guitar solo and he's just like bananana and go and the crowd is going nuts and he has all these young kids with him and you see the close-up on the screens and they're like dude look at look at what he's doing it was amazing i bring it up because the next day did you go right up to plymouth did i go to Massachusetts, sure to Plymouth? Did I go to Plymouth?

Yeah.

Massachusetts, sure.

Plymouth Rock?

Right.

So Plymouth Rock is kind of disappointing because it's like, it's a rock.

It's just a rock.

And there's a structure around it and like, okay, you know, it's a rock.

And there's a little sign next to it that says, we don't know that this was really the rock,

but some guy in church who was 90 years old at the time said, yeah, I think this was the rock. So that's the rock.
You were talking about the Georgia Guidestones a few episodes ago with somebody. Did you know that we have an actual Guidestone in America in Plymouth? No.
It's called the Monument to the Forefathers. I'd never heard of this.
It's about two blocks in,

and it's, I think, arguably the largest granite structure

in America, certainly, but maybe in the world.

It was completed in 1890,

and it is the Guidestone of America.

How do I not know about this?

No one knows about this.

This is here.

Check it out.

The thing is huge.

Whoa.

And it's literally in a cul-de-sac, a area really there's no world is that it was completed in 1890 after 50 years of building it wow and so this is the formula for america this is why i was going before our p break the formula for america this so they constructed this so that if we ever lost our way we could find our way back you know when they talk about America was built on Christian values like what does that mean what does that even mean Christian values I mean even the word Christian is like that was actually a slur back in the day that they came up with for Jesus believers so in the Middle East faith that's her faith, and it's four sides. And one is law, education, morality, and liberty, and has all these cool inscriptions.
It's really something amazing to see. And I believe that's the formula that we need to get back.
You actually, you live like this. Joe Rogan lives these four sides.
You live, you understand law, morality, education, and liberty. And if we can get back to that, that would be just...
In fact, so all of our early presidents, all of them lived by the Bible, every single one of them. They wrote about it.
They studied it. 1778, one of the first acts of a Congress was to print a Bible for everybody.
So I brought you—this is done by a group called the Wall Builders. And David Barton, he has all—these are the receipts.
So it's a Bible, but it has three-quarters of that book is writings by our early presidents all the way up through uh through reagan and this david barton guy he has all of these originals i think he lives in alito texas and it shows you what our code was in the early days up until the 60s and that's when you know we got this big argument about oh we can't have the whole life. The First Amendment is the right to establish a religion and that has been perverted throughout the years to say, well, you can't have the Bible in schools and the government can't tell you to do this and you can't be talking about...
The Hall of Congress used to be a church. I mean, that's how we started.
And you don't have to necessarily be a believer or saved by Jesus just to understand where we came from and the basic tenets of law, where those guys created it from. You know, the receipts are in the Declaration of Independence.
Our Bill of Rights, our amendments, our rights, not that the government gives us.

You know, they all say the government shall not infringe.

The government may not do this. It's what the government could not do because we had rights given to us by our creator.
And I think if we got back to a little bit of that in America, we might get a bit more on path, which is why certainly all the Jesus freaks are like, President Trump is talking about God. He says God saved him to save America.
I mean, a president is a big deal when he does stuff like that. And you can see, just look at the people around us, Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.
I mean, there's a lot of people who are now starting to see this and i know you love history that's why i bought that for you because when you see where it comes from a lot of things start to be clear and that that sculpture that was like i had no idea it was there i'd never heard of it it's not in any books but it's kind of a template for where we came from and i think it's it's kind of important that we that we look at that as well as all the other things that we're looking at now with AI and social media. And we can't just be sitting around for four years going, yeah, Trump, yeah, Elon, stomp the libs.
We've got to find some spirituality one way or the other. It doesn't have to be God.
I would like it to be, but people got to find that.

I think you're saying some wise things.

I think that people need some sort of a moral

and ethical structure to live their life through.

Jordan Peterson always has this thing.

Another one, yeah.

Whether or not if you believe in God,

if you live like you believe in God,

you will live a better life.

And that is true.

I believe it. I think that's true.
I believe it, absolutely. And it's very simple things.
It's a moral scaffolding. Yeah, it's very simple things.
The Ten Commandments aren't that hard. It's like that's your law if you believe that government—I mean, government is an extension of God if you believe that he instates governments.
And I think that God gave us Joe Biden for four years. I really do.
He said, y'all got to take a look. He has humor, too, by the way.
Like, you should take a look. And there's a story, I think it's Daniel, about King Nebuchadnezzar.
And King Nebuchadnezzar, he did not follow God's law. And so God turned him into a donkey basically.
And he, and he was out grazing for seven years, eating grass. I'm like, that sounds a lot like president Biden, that he just turned him into a grass eating donkey who had nothing left, you know? So this, um, well, you have to see what happens when things go sideways to really understand it.
That's why people who grow up in poverty really can appreciate success a lot more than someone as a trust fund kid, right? Of course. You have to know what it's like when things go bad.
And our country just experienced four years of being governed by people other than the elected leader. And it's pretty clear now.
And, And, you know, the way Mike Johnson laid it out that Biden didn't know what was in some of the executive orders. I didn't sign that.
Yeah. Oh, no.
It's kind of crazy. Crazy, man.
It's crazy. I mean, it's interesting because some of that, like, how much can you attribute it to faulty memory and how much of it is actually they passed things by his desk? I don't know.
But at the end of the day, we got to see that this was not a good direction. This is a terrible direction.
I think that was like one of the biggest mistakes that Kamala Harris did was when she went on The View and they asked her, what would you do differently? And she said nothing. Yeah.
Which is crazy. But also look at President Trump.
I mean, can you take a more wrong guy in the auspices and the opinion of presidential and everything? And he learned a lot during his first term. I mean, this was a turnaround of epic proportion.
Epic proportion. What's the biggest political comeback in the history of the world? It'll be in the history books.
The show will be a part of that. But's going to be incredibly important for us to look back on this because it's often the misfits.
That's who we've got to love the most. So when I see the blue-haired people, I'm like, I really want to love them.
They probably wouldn't understand it. Crazy, chaotic energy.
If they just found something they loved and pushed it into that, they'd be better off. But it's also, it's like what damaged them up into that point? Like what kind of a life did they live that left them in this place where they're 35 years old, weeping in front of a city council meeting? Like, who are they and what, what, what wrong? And this is the thing is like, we kind of encourage this victim mentality.
We do. And we reward it.
It has social credit to it. And you, you, you know, you get to be in a special class of people and you get to say outrageous things and people allow you to, and that's not good for anybody.
Just like you have kids, you know what it's like. It's not good for kids.
Like you got to tell them like, well, that's not real. You can't do that.
That's not yours yours like there's things that you have to learn and if you reward victim mentality then people look to become victims and so that like when that lady laid out all of her fucking physical ailments and all of her problems as if that makes any of the things she's saying make sense because she has all these problems like no that's not that's not how the world you're right it's been rewarded and it's been rewarded by political operations mainly to get votes and to bring these people have a vote too you know right they can vote so bring them in this is a part of the psyop of usaid and the psyop of just the government in general these control control structures that are essentially put in place to make sure that they remain in power. Do you know John Perkins? Yes.
Have you ever had him on? No, I have not. Oh, man, because he wrote about this.
Economic hitman. Yeah, confession of economic hitman.
Wow. I mean, basically, USAID, that's what they do, but also State Department.
So, you know, Marco Rubio seems like a good guy. I'm kind of liking him, but they've got intelligence units inside there.
There's all kinds of things that happen with State Department. So I hope that also gets uncovered.
Well, Mike Benz was explaining yesterday. I was like, this seems so intertwined.
Like, how are you going to, what can be done in four years? He goes, no, this is going to take 50 years, more. That may be true.
It's going to take forever to unwind. He goes, you have to understand how deep these tentacles go.
And he laid it out in four and a half hours yesterday. I probably talked for three minutes for the whole podcast.
I'm not kidding. With Mike, you got to like, can I get the transcript of this show and go over it slowly? Because he goes fast, man.
He goes fast. The thing that will happen is viral clips of specific things that he highlights and says that are very significant are going to go out yeah those are already out and i'm sure they're all over x right now as we're speaking and i love that uh doge is i was skeptical because you know we heard this during the reagan administration reagan wasn't going to do all this he was going make government efficient.
And of course it didn't. When I hear that they're going to do the same thing to the military, amen, man.
Well, they have to be accountable to an audit. Yes.
They haven't done one ever. Well, the Pentagon's failed seven of them.
And the thing is like fraud's real. We know it's real and we know people are pilfering.
And if you go unchecked for long enough, that becomes a part of the way people do business. And once that's established and it's been established for decades, then it's very difficult to stop because as soon as you start investigating it, people go to jail.
And so they're going to try to stop you from investigating it. They're going to try to like bury records and it's going to get wild.
As I'm sure Mike told you, and I can't wait to see it, it's not just fraud. It is the actual system.
Instead of us being open, and I think like Trump is doing, like, hey, we're just going to have tariffs on you. NATO, you don't like it.
Boom. We're not going to protect you.
We're going to be fair about this. You can't just be ripping us off.
We've been doing all these subversive things with money that's just going to NGOs and nonprofits. I mean, the whole Ukraine thing.
He highlighted all of this. Did he play the Victoria Nuland recorded phone call? No, he didn't.
He showed the Biden thing where he said, you know, the prosecutor had to be fired or they wouldn't get the billion dollars in loans. Right, right.
And son of a bitch. Well, Victoria Nuland in 2014, the Russians, I think they released it.
They recorded a phone call and she's literally talking to the ambassador. OK, we want to put this guy in the government, that guy in the government, this guy in Senate.
Klitsch, leave him outside. He can be the mayor or whatever.
I mean, that's not cool. We have some stuff to repent for when all this comes out, and we should pick ourselves up and move forward and just be honest.
I think we can do it with a lot of honesty, too. I hope so.
But the problem is there's a lot of people that are going to be in deep trouble, and they're going to try to stop that from all this accountability was mike bullish or bearish on it well he's you know he's in the storm you know it's like you know no one knows exactly what's going to happen when you're in the middle of the hurricane you're telling people what's going on and that's where he is right now i mean i asked him how do you sleep because i don't he needs prayers he needs some prayers i'm sure he needs that we'll cover him and I think his fight is very noble. And he's right.
He's right and he's accurate. And the amount of information that guy's got in his head is astounding.
Yeah. And he's pulling it all off the top of his head while we're talking because he lives this constantly.
Yeah. Used to work at the State Department.
Uncovered all this stuff. He's been chasing it down forever forever, and is a legitimate historian on this.
And thank you for giving him that platform. And thank you for giving Trump a platform and all the things you've done.
But the people, when they think of CIA and these types of agencies, they always think, you know, dart guns and secret stuff. But no, it's really subversiveive writing articles and my whole family kind of comes from military and intelligence background so i've heard you know what i learned this is crazy so my uncle was big in the cia he was he was the national he was basically tulsi gabbard to uh bush senior when he was vp and then you know like, like, Iran-Contra happened, and, you know,

he basically became ambassador to Korea. He was exonerated, but he was moved out to a different post.
My aunt passed away a couple of years back. And when my cousin was doing her eulogy, she said aunt meg

were actually outranked

uncle don in the cia

she ran the russia desk spoke fluent russian but had promised never to tell anybody not even her own kids i'm like what aunt meg spoke fluent russian and ran the russia desk for the cia and outranked Uncle Don, like, that's some crazy stuff. Crazy.

And all those folks, you know, they remember Russia as the real, real bad guys. I mean, I went to, this is my own USAID story.
So in 1988, I think it was, we had the Moscow Music Peace Festival. Do you remember that? And this And this is before the wall came down and it was,

I was the only MTV person who went. We went on a 727 from Newark.
It was Ozzy Osbourne,

basically Black Sabbath. It was Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Skid Row.
We stopped in Germany to pick

up the Scorpions. What was that flight like? so dude dude this you'll love this oh yeah there you go wow so the reason you're filming things even back then so the reason this happened was look at you yeah yeah there you go tico torres from bon jo I mean, so Doc McGee, who was the manager of Bon Jovi and Motley Crue, his, I'm paraphrasing the story, but I'm pretty sure it's correct.
That was Ozzy. I just realized that was Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne.
Like, who are those people? Look at Sharon. Look at Sharon.
She's like a kid and like a British house frow, nice roly-poly. She's not the- no O-face for her.
So- O-face? Oh, Ozempic. Ozempic, yeah.
So- Look at Ozzie. So Doc McGee's Learjet had been caught smuggling in like, you know, bales of marijuana into Florida.
And his get out of jail free card was he was supposed to organize an anti-drug and alcohol concert in Moscow. Right.
So this is where I'm pretty sure USAID came into it and the CIA. And so this was supposed to be a complete drug-free alcohol-free we're all

going to go there we're going to do a huge one-night concert we're there for a week on the plane ozzy is so drunk he he's so drunk yeah so we're in the back there and he's he's at the at the laboratory mid-plane, and someone else is in there.

And he's like,

SHESH! We're in the back there, and he's at the laboratory mid-plane, and someone else is in there.

And he's like, Sharon!

Sharon!

And she's like, oh, Ozzy!

And he pees his pants right there in the aisle.

Like, holy crap.

Ozzy peed his pants.

Sharon!

This was a wild trip.

And I got a briefing beforehand by some dudes in suits.

I don't you know i wasn't really thinking usaid cia and they're like here's the deal you're going to be there do not talk to any women don't go to any hookers do not take any hookers to your room they're all going to be kgb and you know you don't want any part of this and there's going to Our people are going to be watching you. KGB Hookers.
KGB Hookers. We actually did go to the hookers to your room.
They're all going to be KGB and you don't want any part of this. And there's going to be, our people are going to be watching you.
KGB hookers. KGB hookers.
We actually did go to the hooker boat, which was pretty wild. There was a boat? Yeah.
They had a prostitute boat. The ugliest hookers in the world is like, nah, no one's going to.
Pirates. We all, we all kind of went to go check them out.
We're in the hotel. They literally, this is, you know, Soviet Union still.
They literally turned on the heat in that part of the city. It was winter.
And the mattresses were made of straw, and you had to bribe the lady for a phone call. You'd reserve it 24 hours in advance.
You have to give her tuna fish and toilet paper rolls. It was wild.
Middle of the night, I'm with Sebastian Bach from Skid Row. We're outside.

We go to Red Square.

We're drinking vodka on Red Square at 3 in the morning.

Walk back to the hotel.

There's the Moscow Hells Angels show up.

And they're on, like, these Yugoslav motorcycles.

And they're popping wheelies and falling off.

And we're like, what's going on?

And then this Russian official comes up.

They had the really big hats.

And he's like, tap, tap, tap on the back of one of the merch trucks. And all he wanted was T-shirts.
And so, you know, he gave him a whole bunch of T-shirts. Everybody leaves.
Crazy. So we have this concert.
And the kids are going. They went nuts.
Of all the bands, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Ozzy. They all knew Ozzy.
They were all singing phonetically. Crisis high! They didn't know the words, you know, but the crazy train kind of came out of their mouth.
Wow. And what was...
Look at this. Yeah, it was insane.
You can see all the... Can you give me some volume? There's some military in front, I think.
There it is. Look at that.
Flying high again. Yeah.
Fans stood in harmony for 12 hours to watch and listen to the likes of Bon Jovi, Mötley Crew, and Skid Row, who all agreed to play. Wow.
So here's the kicker. The Scorpions had a number one hit, Winds of Change.
The Winds of Change. You don't remember the song.
And it was the only song they did not write and that song was the anthem when the wall came down which happened literally oh here you go the cia power ballot to bring down the ussr what Is that real? I think so.

I don't remember that song.

Can we play some of that song and cut it out, Jamie?

Play it for us and cut it out.

We'll cut this part out of the show, folks.

Just go listen to Scorpions.

What a shame, man.

We could be psyoping more Germans.

1990.

Yeah. It's a good fucking song.
a cia writes his baby that's crazy the cia wrote a banger a huge banger a huge and the crate here's the funniest part so when the wall comes down this is number one like you know it was 1990 and i think i can't remember i think they might have been phonetically singing along with it in Lennon Stadium when we were there. Because it was a number one hit.
It was everywhere, this song. This is a year before the wall came down? This says the song was written after the concert.
Like in response to the concert. Okay, yeah, okay.
I told you I don't have it all right. But the CIA wrote it.
The CIA wrote it. They probably had it in the archives.
Oh, my God. The funniest thing was,

so huge in Europe at the time was Baywatch.

You know, the whole thing.

Have you ever had Hasselhoff on?

No.

There's a funny guy.

This guy, he's-

He was on Fear Factor.

Oh.

He did Celebrity Fear Factor.

Did you like him?

Yeah, he was a nice guy.

I mean, I've met him a couple times.

You know, he had to go to the bathroom a lot at the time,

but, you know, whatever.

MTV Beach House, like, his manager would be like, David, i think you need to go to the bathroom to get some energy oh yeah anyway um but so you know the story of baywatch is phenomenal because he self-financed it nobody wanted it in america and it became this monstrous global hit everywhere except America in the beginning. And he became wildly successful, rich.
And Germany is where it was number one. It was just for years, number one Baywatch.
And so Hasselhoff, or as they say, der Hoff is, hello, Deutschland, here's der Hoff. Everyone knew him.
He was standing on top of the wall with a sledgehammer, and he claims that he brought down the Berlin Wall.

Was Baywatch a PSYOP?

Is that what you got in that?

I don't know.

Oh, my God. Well, this is also part of the thing that Mike Benz got into with the music business, that they do sort of finance these disruptive kind of songs and political movements.
Of course. I mean, yeah.
It's a powerful tool. That's the book about Laurel Cary.
There he is. He's bringing down the wall.
What is he singing? Oh, he was a pop star, right? He had these disco hits. He had these poppy hits.
Yeah. And freedom, baby.
I did it. And he got this glittering jacket on and everything.
Awesome. American icon, ladies and gentlemen.
That's not even glittery. That's an LED jacket.
Like, that jacket's got a battery. It's lit up.
We loved him from Knight Rider. You know, he was a cool dude.
You know, we all wanted a kit watch, which we now have, of course. He was huge overseas, right? That's it.
It was because of Baywatch, and he had a whole music career going on. Oh, yeah.
Oh, man. Good times in the old days, bro.
Good times. We had so much fun back in the early days.
That's so crazy that that song was written by the CIA. That Laurel Canyon thing is really interesting because i really dismissed it at first yeah i was like come on the government didn't have nothing to do with the rock and roll movement but kind of seems like they did what is it strange times in the canyon what is that book called again is that it yeah something along those lines? It's a weird book, man.

I read the book and I was like, what the fuck?

How much of this is...

In the 60s when the agents were

infiltrating Europe,

it was all literature, art,

music. They were bringing everything they could.

Art especially.

And that was really at the time to make sure that...

Weird scenes inside the canyon.

To make sure that the Russians didn't take over Europe.

There's all these things that they

were doing. Well, they also did it with the modern art movement absolutely like jackson pollock yeah complete creation which totally makes sense because i was like who's paying for this yeah help me out yeah no don't you see the way the splatters are like no that's why we're all questioning you joe ro Rogan.
What USAID connections do you have? I think I skipped the system. I think somehow or another they fucked up.
Look at me. My whole family's intelligence and military.
I was a pirate radio guy in 1983. They must have been like, this guy's lost.
We can't use him. He'll be no good.
The real kooky people probably think you're my handler or something because you created podcasts. That's right.
Because there is that thought that this is one of the things that comes up now all the time. And we talked about this on CNN.
We're saying that there's a whole financed and backed right-wing ecosystem that's created these podcasts. Where's my check? Well, this is just stupidity.
This is the problem where when you look at some conspiracies, you think, oh, well, that applies to all things. Well, of course, yeah.
No, there's actually some things that are organic for some weird reason. What I think we'll see, you know, the first thing after the election is, we need a Joe Rogan on the left.
We need a Joe Rogan. Well, you know, guys, you basically had a Joe Rogan on the left, but you were so crazy that Joe started to think right.
They didn't want me. That was the thing.
They didn't want you. But that's all the psyop working against them.
Because in the past, they could take someone like me and demonize them, and it would be effective. And they could just remove you from the airwaves.
Right. And then remove you as a problem, because you're not playing by the rules.
But now, people go, oh, you know what? I think he's the one who's actually telling the truth. Let's stop listening to them.
And so then CNN crashes and then faith in mainstream media crashes and faith in podcasts rises. I think what we'll see though is, and it may come from YouTube, we'll probably see them try to hype someone up to become the Joe Rogan of the left.
Oh, they're already definitely doing that. Who do you think it is? I don't care.
Let them try. All right.
But the thing is, it's not going to work unless that person's authentic. Without authenticity doesn't work.
If you hear a person long enough, you know what the fuck they're really saying. You know whether or not.
That's right. You know, I'm wrong all the time.
You might not agree with me. That's all great, but I'm not going to lie.
And that's the difference. And a lot of these people are just propagandists.
And they're also trying to make an argument for something without looking at the other side, which instantaneously I know now you're propagandizing. Now you're bullshitting me.
I always try to look at the other side of everything. I know you do.
As a human, I think it's an important quality. As a person who's broadcasting to millions of people, it's a very important quality.
But it's an important quality for human beings. Know why you think about something.
Is this just a knee-jerk reaction? Or is this well thought out? Are you being objective? Or are you captured by this ideology that you're a part of to the point where you're just Ignoring like this is the thing that I find fascinating about all this USAID stuff Because there's so many people that are so against Donald Trump dismantling the organization that they're not looking at the Craziness of all the propaganda that's being exposed. They somehow or another a gaslighting Themselves and all their followers to say that no this is aid people are going to starve to death there's food that's rotting i mean while they i think i'm pretty sure even when they passed this thing where they were trying to put a stop on us aid they gave exemptions for food and medicine yeah and certain yeah so you're hearing these bullshit stories of like food that's rotting now, and people are going to go starving, and everyone's dying of AIDS.
Well, you have figures who people see as authority because they have a million followers and likes, and then they'll believe that. And it typically doesn't work.
I mean, it's like, do you remember? I think it works, but it works for less people. There's people that want to be lied to.
They want to believe the cult. They want to drink the Kool-Aid.
They want to. And that is where they've dug their heels in, and now this is where they stay.
But when you see Rachel Maddow, who has come back for the first 100 days, she's doing a show every single day, and she's blatantly lying. I mean, literally, factually, clearly lying.
A lot of people won't watch anything. know they've been told uh joe rogan is part of the bro casting and you know the the this right-wing conspiracy all funded by whatever to you know to propagandize and people are going to go over there and they're going to believe what she says and i mean i have family members who who truly believe that president trump will take away their social security's saying quite the opposite.
And, by the way, he can't take it away. Only Congress can take it away.
USAID, created by executive order by President Kennedy, can be shut by executive order by President Trump. That's just a fact.
But also, what they're doing is they're highlighting there's people that are supposedly 150 years old that are getting Social Security. Awesome.
some of that there's some weird shit going on with social security but you know what happened this i think this is this is what we're not being told but i have a lot of sysadmin friends from what i understand the doge team four guys initially they were in so the treasury is like our bank account is you know it's just it's one system and it sends payments through the Federal Reserve system. And all they needed to do, January 21st at midnight, they were in there.
They got all the payments. They've had that at Mar-a-Lago.
They've been, you know, because I've heard this, that they've been going through it like, hey, there's no reconciliation. There's just a payment with no purchase order or no confirmation that the work was done.
I think at this point, they're just sitting back going, you know, they can release more information whenever they want. Department of Education is going to be next.
You're going to see a lot of Common Core craziness. I mean, remember that Common Core? The Pentagon.
I hope they do the State Department, too, because there's a lot going on there. It's going to be interesting.
They have a resistance Well, the people who are squealing are the ones you want to pay attention Right. Well, that's the thing is that first of all The one we were talking about this the other day With me and my friends are saying part of the problem is these people can't conspire right now because all their phones are tapped Mm-hmm everybody that For sure.
Yeah, like if they're investigating you, if they're investigating these things, the power that they have- Is astronomical. It's crazy.
The power that they have to look into people's emails, look into people's phones, find out what text messages they're sending. They can look into your signal.
Pegasus, baby. Yeah.
They look into everything. So the idea that they're not doing that, if they're in the middle of some fucking multi trillion dollar Investigation into rampant fraud so they know that this is going on so they can't conspire and then they also have to worry about people taking deals So there's gonna be some people that squeal good And so then you don't know who's your fucking enemy and who's your friend and everywhere you talk you go to have a lunch with someone He's wearing a fucking button camera.
Yeah, you and so they're not united right now yeah and this is why it's working and this is why they're able to release all this information and everybody's in this hot panic right now yeah so they're squeezing them they're squeezing them because they they have it all and thank god for james o'keefe too man he's he's done some interesting stuff over the he. He certainly has.
Over the years, you know. He, like, gets people to— It's amazing how many guys will open up when they think they're on a date with a hot chick or a hot guy, whichever one that happens to be, and like, oh, yeah, man, I'm doing all this.
Yeah, we do—oh, we don't care. We just hated Trump.
And, you know, it's like, whoa. these people, they need to learn how to shut up.

I think he just got another video that he released today. Oh, yeah.
There was another video today about people going around the Doge system to try to, like, still do the same work. Bro.
Well, there was an issue with- Season of reveal, Joe. Yeah.
Wasn't there an issue with FEMA releasing- Is this true? Well, so FEMA paid $59 million for illegal entrance into our country for them to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel, which is double the room rate. Have you ever stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel? I did way back in the day.
And the Roosevelt Hotel, by the way, is owned by Pakistan. Yes, right it was a dump it was everyone was smoking weed in

their rooms i mean i was there maybe 10 years ago 11 years ago i stayed at the roosevelt hotel

it was oh it was very cheap you know right there on 42nd street yeah um so they were paying double

the room rate but this wasn't this isn't just in in in uh the united states this has been happening

all over the world.

Check this out.

This is a gigantic scam.

Four federal employees were fired Tuesday over payments to reimburse New York City for hotel costs for migrants.

Department of Homeland Security officials said the workers were accused of circumventing leadership to make the transactions,

which have been standard for years through a program that helps with costs to care for a surge in migration.

However, officials did not give details on how the four had violated any policies, but they put a freeze on the payments. He said luxury hotels.
It was kind of funny. Yeah, in quotes.
So did they definitely do— Yeah. Wasn't Anderson Cooper disputing it?

I don't know.

He was saying yesterday—yeah, he was talking to Sununu, and he called him a dick.

But this is—

Don't be a dick.

Go to Chicago.

All the hotels on the Miracle Mile are all migrant hotels.

Yeah.

Because it was super good money.

I mean—

Crazy.

But that's everywhere in the world.

That's the same in Europe.

A big hotel change.

Like, you can't get a hotel room because they've got migrants for double the price. Well, this is also something that the Biden administration lied about because they said that FEMA funds were not being used for this, but they were.
I'm with President Trump that it's better, you know, when Helene happened, what happened there was really beautiful because everything fell down. Even the own, you know, North Carolina's, their own state government, no one really was doing anything.
And it was funny enough for the first time I've ever seen ham operators actually be successful. But, you know, the helicopter guys were all going out there.
Everybody was pitching in. People were driving from all different states to come in and help people.
I mean, I don't have a helicopter anymore, but I literally called up the airfield. I said, fill them up.
Here's my credit card. Fill that one.
Just fill them up. Fill up until this limit that I have.
Fill up these. I know what it costs.
You burn a lot of money in a helicopter. This is how America works.
It really works well when we help each other out in all kinds of circumstances. And we've become so reliant on the government, so reliant that Uncle Sam is going to come in and save us.
And it turns out they're not really efficient at it. They're not really good at it.
A lot of money gets stuck and flows to other places. we've got to come back to loving our neighbor and knowing your neighbor.
How many people don't even know their neighbor anymore? This is critical.

And I think you have this, you know, when Clinton was president, everything changed in America. All of a sudden, oh, that's not sexual relations.

Oh, you can do that to me, baby.

That's not actually sex.

You know, all these kinds of things that sets a tone. It sets a cultural tone.
And Trump is setting a cultural tone of let's get this done. Let's stop getting ripped off by other people by ourselves and let's be successful together.
And it's a amount of time so I hope that but isn't it interesting that half the country doesn't see it that way well the country sees it as a constitutional crisis well that's just that's just a term it's not a question but it's interesting that's what's being top FEMA official is fired over payments New York City migrants shelters Trump fired the Federal Emergency Management Agency's chief financial officer and three others after Elon Musk misleadingly claimed the agency had used disaster relief funds for migrant services. Wait a minute.
Is this New York Times? This is just going to be back and forth, back and forth forever. Misleading.
What is misleading about it? So let's see here. New York City officials raced to clarify that the federal money had been properly allocated by FEMA under President Biden last year, adding that it was not a disaster relief grant and had not been spent on luxury hotels.
Nonetheless, just two hours after Mr. Musk's post, FEMA's acting director, Cameron Hamilton, announced the payments in question have all been suspended, even though most of the money had already been dispersed and that personnel will be held accountable.

But is this a recent payment?

And did they put a freeze on payments, even if the payment had been properly allocated

by Biden?

What I was reading is they just pulled the money out of bank accounts.

Who did?

It says Trump administration.

Trump revokes $80 million from New York City after a threat.

I'm seeing this on multiple websites, but I don't know. Can you go to the title there on Daily News? Oh, hold on a second.
You just had it there. That's right here, too.
Oh, Trump revokes $80 million from New York City after threat to clawback FEMA cash used to care for migrants. But it's still money to care for migrants, and they still put a freeze on that money to care for migrants.

That's your constitutional crisis. Yeah.
We're in a constitutional crisis because of what's happened to our country. But that seems like gaslighting to justify spending $80 million to pay for migrants, which they shouldn't have done.
No. But it's not just that.
It's fly these people there, fly them into the country, let them into the country, and then pay for them with EBT cards, with debit cards. Well, a lot of that was the economics.
Yeah. I have a friend, former New York banker, and he said, we always win as long as our population is growing.
We will beat China long term because their population is declining. And he says that's why the borders are open.

It's because you need, it's just like

economics. You need more people

and with more people your economy

grows one way or the other. I think it's a multifaceted

argument because I think that's... I'm just telling you

what the bankers say. I think there's some

truth to that, but I think also

they were trying to buy votes.

Yeah, I mean all of that's a part of it.

Well you saw the thing in New York where they were trying to let people who are illegals vote in regional elections. Yeah.
That's your constitutional crisis. That is a constitutional crisis.
Here's the thing that I hope, and I'm working to make this happen. So we have great podcasts.
You know, your podcast. We can't, not everybody can be a Joe Rogan and we can't just all be looking at national news.
What has happened at a local level is radio stations, you know, they all got bought up. They're all, you know, consolidated.
No one has local programming anymore. There's almost no local newspapers, even local television stations.
They're all going away. Now is the time to create a podcast for your town, your burg, your city, your community.
Wasn't Gavin Newsom doing that, like, right after the election? Didn't he start a podcast? Well, I don't know about Gavin Newsom. I think he did.
I think that was their idea to try to combat the podcast like this. We don't need that.
We need local voices. All the advertising locally has been slurped up by Facebook.
That's where you advertise. I've started a local thing in Fredericksburg, and people really love it.
Oh, wait a minute. There's something going on in Fredericksburg.
And all they have is Fredericksburg rant and raves on a Facebook page. Well, you imagine what a mess that thing is.
That is crazy. That's no good.
Rant and rave now, that's no good. And so I'm actually, I started a thing called Godcaster.fm and it's tailored towards helping radio stations do this.
but I think churches are content factories, and they're not just all talking about Jesus and God. They're doing stuff in the community.
That's what churches used to do, and they're doing stuff at the high schools, and you got kids in there. I want a thousand podcasts within a year all over America of local people.
And it's so easy to do now.

It's become so possible. And I think that local communities will even sponsor it.
That's the

next level. That's my phase two.
That's the next level we have to get to is where people just get

a microphone, talk to your city council person. You know, this is nuts.
All it is is national news

presented by heads on television. And who needs that nonsense? You know, you're an exception and you're really important.
But we need to have this at a local level. And it's never been a better.
You want to start a podcast and be able to actually make a living out of it in your local community? I guarantee people will support it. I guarantee people will want to be a part of it.
And I hope that that happens. That's what I'm dedicating myself to now.
That's awesome. Getting these local, hyper-local podcasts.
That's a great idea. I think what you're saying is all of it's hopeful, right? Very hopeful, Joe.
Of course. Of course.
Which is great. I mean, because being cynical kind of sucks.
You know, especially when this really is a very unique time of possibility. There's a lot of things that are happening right now.
It's a perfect time. And it also feels like even to the people that didn't want what Donald Trump is doing, the idea to keep going with what was happening before, where you had someone running for president that never went through the primary.
That was a constitutional crisis. That's a real constitutional crisis.
Right there. The soft coup against Biden.
All that, that should disturb you that that didn't, well, it should be good that that didn't work. Because that's not good for anybody.
Because if they can keep doing it that way, then you never have a primary again. Well, primaries, of course, are up to the party.
It's not necessarily a constitutional thing, but that should tell a Democrat, people who vote Democrat and are part of it.

I've never been a part of a party.

I'm not that interested.

I vote for people.

But that should tell them something like, there's something bad going on here.

Yeah, there's some shenanigans going on.

They could have had a primary.

What was it like in D.C. when you went for the inauguration?

Was it just like show business for ugly people?

There were a million people all over the place. A million people all over it was it was it nuts nuts it was weird we know i did a lot yeah very weird because you go into i went to a lot of these things i went to a few of these things like these dinners and stuff balls yeah and it's a lot of people that donated a lot of money and so it's very transactional and everybody's hyper aggressive to get photographs and talk to people and they they interject themselves into conversations interrupt stand right in front of people that you're talking to and want pictures or want to introduce themselves and it's It's very entitled and very transactional and but I think that's always been the nature of politics Particularly people the reason why they were there is because they donated a substantial amount of money.
A million bucks a pop and you're good to go. Yeah, which is nuts.
How do this many people have a million dollars to donate? This is crazy. Amazing, isn't it? Amazing.
A lot of people got a million bucks. I know.
It's all that USAID money. I don't know what it is.
Well, there are a lot of successful people in the world who couldn't, who couldn't access that kind of cash. But wow.
But there's a lot of hope. It was a very positive, obviously, because the winners were all there.
But it was a very optimistic vibe, which felt good. And even the speech when he gave his inauguration speech, I mean, that was pretty fucking wild.
I love the black pastor from Detroit. Yeah.
yeah he was channeling mlk he was just like going crazy it was all when you were sitting maybe like five rows behind hillary clinton did you smell sulfur i smelled everything i saw bill and made eye contact with bill me and bill staring at each other for a while he's he's larger than life even though he's kind of frail now. I mean, he still is.
Well, it's just odd that they're in the room with you. Yeah.
You know, it's like, it's a different kind of a celebrity. Like, I remember when I went to see the Rolling Stones and Coda, I was blown away.
I'm like, Mick Jagger's right there. Like, that's actually him.
And he's dancing a butt and no lip. And he's this big.
His butt's that wide. He's a stick.
Yeah. But's a stick but it's he's right you know he has two trailers that he brings with him that are just a gym oh it doesn't surprise me two of his he works out every day what is he like 78 he's a thousand years old and he had a open heart surgery yeah like recently yeah like recently had heart surgery that's an amazing guy really truly is just fucking loves it man And they put on a fucking hell of a show But my point is like that's one of those things you're like I can't believe that's really him and that's what it's like when you're like looking over there like holy shit That's George W.
Bush. Do you think it was the real Biden or the daddy long legs Biden? I think it was a real one.
Okay, I think because you've seen the daddy long legs't too tall yeah yeah it was like that one guy was nuts and he's jogging to the helicopter i'm like no nuts like i want to know the story about that like is that there's there any paperwork on who that guy actually was i'd love that was not joe biden that's a guy with a mask on the mask things are real i can tell you that i can tell you this from family from family You can see them online. Oh, from family experience.
Yes. Yeah.
In 1967. Let's just leave the family members out of it.
But someone brought home a colleague from work, and the colleague had dinner and had coffee. And then at dessert, the wife was sitting there had been talking to this person.
And then this colleague took off his mask and it was someone who the wife knew extremely well and had no idea. 1967.
So imagine what they can do now. The stuff that that CIA lady shows on the YouTube video, I think that's just old.
I mean, it's amazing. 67, that stuff already existed and worked.
How come they couldn't get somebody Biden's height? You know, Tina says that too. I said, you know, they just didn't care at that point.
Just like they needed someone who had his cadence, which I think is harder to do, to be kind of, you know, like that stumbling, bumbling. Also, like how many people do you bring this to? And know what is that guy doing now he needs a podcast i mean he's he's got no guys he's a bottom of the ocean what gig does he have took that guy fishing i hope not but it's possible yeah so there's who knows there's a lot of that going on i mean we've spotted throughout the years hillary clinton had i know she had a double uh was actually women who noticed it.
Like she's carrying her handbag on the other shoulder. It's like no woman switches that up.
That never happens. And you look at her like, yeah, she does look a little different.
But it's also, isn't that a mind fuck though? Because then you start looking at everybody like, that's not the real one. Are you Joe Rogan? Yeah.
What happened? Who is it? It's pretty crazy stuff. It is.
I hope some of that comes out, too. But, you know, it would be great to know these things.
It would be great to stop lying. Yeah.
Yeah. You should stop lying.
Basically. You should not have a fake.
I mean, is there some sort of national security explanation that you could give for why you would have to have a fake president? Well, I mean, holy moly. Have you ever seen the Kevin right yeah i mean there it is there's your was it no no like the dog uh dave dave yeah exactly yeah i mean sure i mean this this happens all the time these things bizarre yeah who knows you know but again season of reveal we're.
We won't learn everything, but we will become a lot wiser. I'm convinced of it.
And I'm excited. I am 60 years old and super excited and very bullish on the future, particularly of the United States.
And I'm seeing the influence we're having in Europe. I'm seeing it.
People are like, we don't want this. And it's tougher for them.
Like the UK, they don't really have a First Amendment like we do. So it's like, you hurt someone's feelings on Facebook, you're going to jail.
I mean, so they got a lot of work to do. But, you know, I think Germany has a shot.
You know, I think the Netherlands has Geert Wilders. France are really pushing back hard on Le Pen and right-wing people.
Viktor Orban in Hungary. I mean, at a certain point, the people will just not take it anymore.
And it could get ugly over there. But people are people.
I mean, we've had revolutions ourselves. We've been pretty good at it.
Of course, we got guns. That was that was a smart move founders yeah smart move first and second amendment we're both the second amendment is there to protect the first as far as i'm concerned you know and i i am i'm bullish i really am i'm excited joe i am too oh good all right good well thank you brother it's always great to sit with you joe thanks for starting this whole thing no brother thank you what you do, brother.
Thank you, Jamie. Appreciate you guys so much.
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