#2267 - Dan Richards

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Thanks for seeing by. Oh, my pleasure.
Thanks for coming on here, man. I really enjoy your videos.

Speaker 1 Your website, your channel, rather on YouTube, Dedunking is

Speaker 1 really great because it's so obvious, like, it's one of those things where you don't need like some big crazy set or high production values to make something interesting it's just you with a bookshelf behind you talking about stuff and it's great well thanks I appreciate that Joey I'm very passionate about this stuff so it's it I'm glad that people are taking notice and that I'm sitting here talking to you right now but it's crazy to me well you were one of the you like me

Speaker 1 were one of the early readers of fingerprints of the gods and that's sort of how you got into this whole subject, right? Yes,

Speaker 1 I actually had that one pre-ordered from Hastings because I'd read the sign and the seal.

Speaker 1 And so I was already like, Graham Hancock's pretty cool. I like the way he's coming at these things.
And

Speaker 1 I saw that there was a thing at Hastings to pre-order Fingerprints of the Gods for like $25 or something. You get like $3 off.
And so I did.

Speaker 1 was reading it cover to cover when I had Graham sign it and him and Santa both were just looking at how beat the hell it is, right? It'd been in a construction truck.

Speaker 1 where we're going job sites for like 20 years but that's awesome um so the sign of the seal was that uh about ethiopia and uh the ark of the covenant yeah what's your take on all that it's interesting anytime they won't let you see the evidence i get like my all of my alarm bells go off right it's like but i understand why they wouldn't want you to see it if it really is the ark um i'd like to see i guess the best thing we could do to to test it without seeing the ark would be to look into the uh the claims that these guys go blind and they they show signs of radiation posts.

Speaker 1 Let's explain to everybody what the claim.

Speaker 1 They believe that this one church in Ethiopia actually possesses the Ark of the Covenant and that these priests that are supposedly guarding this, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning.

Speaker 1 Yes, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning. They go blind, they die quickly, and then somebody else, one priest at a time, is allowed to be like the caretaker of the Ark.

Speaker 1 How long do they live?

Speaker 1 They want to say like a couple years, something like that. I can't remember.
it's been very long, yeah.

Speaker 1 They die pretty quick. Imagine that job.
Yeah, you get that call.

Speaker 1 They're like, how much do I love Jesus?

Speaker 1 My bones get radiation poisoning. Good lord.
This is kind of fucking crazy. Yeah, and it's, but there's a lot of evidence in that book that was really interesting.
Like

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Knights Templar statues and stuff in

Speaker 1 old Paris cathedrals that would led Graham to

Speaker 1 Ethiopia. Just all kinds of weird stuff that made it really interesting.
Little

Speaker 1 Indiana Jones, man. It's like real life kind of Indiana Jones shit.
And so I was just anxious for that fingerprints.

Speaker 1 Something that has that much radiation that kills people so quickly, wouldn't that be something that you could measure from outside of the church?

Speaker 1 You'd think that our boys would be all over that shit with the satellites and be like, yeah, that's a spot to watch out for. Send a team.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 Because that was one of the speculations about the New Jersey drones, which was really weird, was that there was allegedly, this is part of the speculation, allegedly there was a warhead that was missing

Speaker 1 from when,

Speaker 1 what was it, from Ukraine?

Speaker 1 I think it was from like quite a while ago. So there was a warhead that was not accounted for, a nuclear warhead.

Speaker 1 And the thought was that somehow or another it had gotten snuck into the United States.

Speaker 1 And these drones had the capability to scan for gamma radiation and that they were looking for excess excess gamma radiation which would indicate that this thing was there that would make sense I saw that on Twitter I saw a few guys talking about it

Speaker 1 that would definitely make sense it's weird that the drones just kind of stopped around Christmas time but not only did they stop but there was also this

Speaker 1 I don't even I hesitate to even talk about this because it's so much of this is horseshit but there was a lot of speculation on Twitter that there was something that broke up in the atmosphere and that the

Speaker 1 conspiracy was that this was a Chinese satellite that was controlling those drones.

Speaker 1 And then the Trump administration recently said, no, they are our drones.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 1 okay, why wouldn't you fucking tell us that they were our drones? You're just flying a bunch of SUV-sized drones over New Jersey for weeks at a time. Yeah, it had to be some reason.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what was going on? And how, you know, I get, you know, I get you can't tell us everything. I get it.

Speaker 1 It was weird. Yeah, they just stopped at the Christmas time.
I was kind of worried about that because I went to see Mark Gagnon in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 I just was there last week and I was like, man, I hope I don't see a bunch of dang drones in the sky and stuff still, because I've had that booked out for a couple of months.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my friend Mark saw one, Mark Norman, he saw one. He said it was huge.
Really? He said it was really big and it moved really fast.

Speaker 1 And he said it had propellers, but it didn't sound like a regular helicopter. So it was real weird.

Speaker 1 I saw a lot of videos of them, and I saw a few guys talking about them that seemed somewhat credible on Twitter, but I didn't see that like guys that had talked about being weapons developers and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's so easy nowadays to just bullshit your way through things, and there's money in it, right? I mean, you can get clicks. So it's like there's

Speaker 1 the days of it needing to be a government conspiracy in my mind are like way long gone.

Speaker 1 If I pretend I see Bigfoot and I fake it good enough to get a bunch of to get on Joe Rogue and well man, I'm doing pretty fucking good now and I yeah you can make some money exactly so that is a real problem I'm really skeptical of like everybody nowadays like treat them all like crackheads I am too and I like that about your channel that you are quite skeptical about a lot of things even things that the people that are you know heretics of the

Speaker 1 archaeological world they subscribe to and you're like eh not so fast which i think is great

Speaker 1 i think it's very important but getting back to the ethiopia thing

Speaker 1 if they we have this capability supposedly to scan for gamma radiation from the sky why wouldn't someone fly over that church and go yo there's a crazy hot spot here you would think probably somebody has um if if not like

Speaker 1 like like i was saying with the satellites in all honesty the the feds monitor that kind of shit like heavily and so i mean if it's possible that it wouldn't be you know any kind of weapons grady stuff so they might just not be looking for that particularly can they monitor for gamma radiation from satellites

Speaker 1 i know that they can look for i I know they can look for,

Speaker 1 I'm not sure how they detect it, I'm not sure what they use to detect it, but I know that they can look for radioactive material from space.

Speaker 1 So the thought is that if this Ark of the Covenant is there and whatever it is is somehow radioactive, is there any sort of theory as to how they develop some sort of radioactive thing?

Speaker 1 Like, what is it supposed to be? I mean,

Speaker 1 it's not a reactor, some it's in a box, right? Like what what is it? Well

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Speaker 1 The theory that a lot of people have is that it's a weapon, that like in the Bible it's described like shooting lightning and things like that.

Speaker 1 And what Graham mentions in the book, it's an interesting point, is

Speaker 1 the Bible records Moses going up to Mount Sinai, coming down with the Ten Commandments,

Speaker 1 getting mad at the Israelites worshiping a golden calf, and he breaks the Ten Commandments and then goes back up the mountain and comes back down after another week or so with the Ten Commandments again.

Speaker 1 And Graham points out that this could be a memory of him going up and getting the wrong stone and then, damn it, smashes it, goes back and finds the right stone that he's looking for, that it had the proper, you know, uranium-rich or whatever speculative radiation stuff.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 but inside of the box, a popular theory is, you know, if you've got metal, wood, metal, like a transformer.

Speaker 1 And so the popular theory is it's a way to generate electricity. And it was also described like the way that guys in the Bible are,

Speaker 1 if they touch it, they have to carry it with sticks. And if they touch it even to steady it, they get killed and stuff.
But I honestly don't see it being a transformer.

Speaker 1 That wood, metal, or metal, wood, metal thing has to be stacked. You're not just getting it with one layer like the Bible describes.
But

Speaker 1 it's an interesting thing. When you say it has to be stacked, you mean spaced in between each layer? Yeah, like if you've ever seen a doorbell transformer? No.

Speaker 1 Okay, a transformer is at the bottom of it will have multiple plates.

Speaker 1 And it'll be like a plate of metal and then a plate of silicone or something like that that's conductive, non-conductive, conductive, non-conductive and there'll be multiples of those and this is part of the electromagnetic changing of the because what a transformer does is it steps electricity up or down and swaps voltage for amperage basically

Speaker 1 so it the metal the metal plates are part of it so

Speaker 1 the idea is that this thing would collect electricity inside the box and then use the Israelites would use it to throw lightning at the enemies

Speaker 1 now there's still a lot of speculation as to how the box would work but Moses was also said to after going up and seeing God he was said to have had to cover his face with the cloth for the rest of his life life because it was shown and Graham speculated in that book that it might be because of you know radiation sickness or something his face was covered in sores for the rest of his life

Speaker 1 so it is interesting so if this thing

Speaker 1 is radioactive, like how would that conduct electricity? No idea. It would probably be

Speaker 1 if it was

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 1 maybe it's the power source like we have radioactive batteries on satellites and shit, right?

Speaker 1 And they convert that radiation into electricity. So it's possible.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's, I'm, you know, I'm not really too big on the ancient high technology, but I'm always willing to speculate and look at the angles on it.

Speaker 1 And that's that's basically where they come from on it, the guys that are really big into the arc.

Speaker 1 Some guys even will claim that it's a capacitor, like full-on capacitor, which a capacitor stores and discharges electricity. It's why we were told not to,

Speaker 1 when you don't touch the tube on your TV when we were kids, because it'll zap you the capacitor. It's old.
We remember tubes on TVs.

Speaker 1 I watched a friend of mine working on an arcade machine once, and one of the leads popped off of the thing, and he was bald, and it tapped him on top. It fucking laid his ass right out.

Speaker 1 Bam, straight to the ground. Oh, shit.
You okay?

Speaker 1 Wow. But anyway, yeah, that's what a capacitor is.
So

Speaker 1 some guys believe, like Billy Carson, would say that the Ark of the Covenant would fit inside of the sarcophagus of the king's chamber, which it doesn't, and that it's a capacitor to power the pyramid.

Speaker 1 So it doesn't, how do you know that it doesn't? But the Bible has the specifications for the size of the Ark of the Covenant, and they're not the same as the sarcophagus. How different are they?

Speaker 1 Considerably. Is it larger or smaller? The Ark is larger.
Oh, it's larger than the largest. Oh, really? Well, than the inside of the sarcophagus.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen the one that Donald Trump has at Mar-a-Lago? No. He has a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago.
No shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It doesn't look bigger than the...

Speaker 1 The reason why I said it is it doesn't look bigger than the sarcophagus. Maybe I need to look at it again.

Speaker 1 There's a possibility that I'm wrong there, but I know that the measurements are off by enough that it was like this isn't just a little mix and match. This was it's way off.

Speaker 1 I feel like we should have a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant here. You probably should.
I probably should. There's no reason.
Jamie, can you pull up that one? Was it visiting the Mar-a-Lago?

Speaker 1 I think I was trying to find a story. But it's pretty dope, man.
It's like Indiana Jones-type dope. Nice.
It's really cool. It looks awesome.

Speaker 1 But if that's real and these guys are just guarding it and dying of radiation poison, like, hey, get some fucking better leadership and let the world know.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you really want people to believe in God and the Bible, what better way than to say not only is the Ark of the Covenant real, but we have it here at this church in Ethiopia and we've been suffering for the past X hundred years.

Speaker 1 I mean, how many priests have died?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 It would be a lot. That would be a good thing to know.
Well, this would be, I mean, this was supposed, the Ark was supposed to have been brought there by Sheba, the Queen of Sheba's son, Menelik.

Speaker 1 So you're talking thousands of years, right? So Ethiopia has a lot of...

Speaker 1 Here it goes. That's it.
Oh, damn. That's a nice place.
That's the one that was a trustworthy. That's definitely a replica.
Oh, that's not the one? No, no, it is. It is the one?

Speaker 1 Well, who who knows, right? No one's seen it. Right.
But

Speaker 1 that's what it meant. I mean, the one that's at Mar-a-Lago, there's photos of it at Mar-a-Lago.
This is the one that was at Mar-a-Lago.

Speaker 1 See, that looks like that would fit inside the sarcophagus, doesn't it? Scroll up a little so I can see how. Yeah, maybe, maybe I was wrong about that, but I do know

Speaker 1 that. I do know that the measurements are off drastically.

Speaker 1 It's not just an inch or two. It's enough that you're not sliding one.
Can you show a photo of it at Mar-a-Lago?

Speaker 1 I know we pulled it up at one point in time.

Speaker 1 Because when these folks are standing around next to it,

Speaker 1 the far left. Yeah, see? Yeah.
See, that looks like it would fit in there. It does look like it would.

Speaker 1 But yeah, if you look up the measurements, I wish I don't have them off the top of my head. I've got to get on that.
But

Speaker 1 yeah, they are

Speaker 1 the King's Chamber. Yeah, the...
The sarcophagus in the King's Chamber and the Ark of the Covenant are.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, I feel like we should send the green berets into that church.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, there's a lot of people. Come on, guys.
Tell us what the fuck you got.

Speaker 1 Enough of this. Enough hiding.

Speaker 1 This is like, if you have that, that is...

Speaker 1 That's something for the whole human race to know. That's not something for you to hide.
That's not yours to covet.

Speaker 1 That's wrong. No,

Speaker 1 but if they've been hiding it forever and it's a religious icon and they're like the keepers of it or whatever. Look how big the sarcophagus is in the king's chamber.
Yeah, dang.

Speaker 1 That thing's that's crazy.

Speaker 1 The king's chamber itself is so bananas. The whole thing, like why? What did you do? Why'd you do it this way?

Speaker 1 How'd you have the resources? How'd you get those stones that are that big up so high? Oh man, there's so much. There's so much about the pyramids in general that are just so hard to even...

Speaker 1 Like I mentioned a little bit last time, we talked the squaring of it.

Speaker 1 It's like 756 feet long, and there's like two to three inch variation

Speaker 1 at the most. So you're talking like thousandths of a percent on this massive thing.

Speaker 1 And if you just stretch a rope from one end of this table to the other and hold it tight, it's going to sag a little. You're 756 feet.
You're not getting a two-inch accurate measurement at that point.

Speaker 1 With a rope. With the rope.
You have to use something different.

Speaker 1 So what are you using? Yeah, exactly. What are you using? How are you using it? How do you get 2,300,000 stones all placed within 20 years?

Speaker 1 So the 20 years, yeah, the 20-year thing is not. Just throw that one out because

Speaker 1 that's the cynical side of things. That's where they are.

Speaker 1 We have to stick to what we know, what we believe. It's like

Speaker 1 just a couple pharaohs before, that guy built three pyramids. So you can't just say, well, these guys were only building them each generation for tombs.

Speaker 1 It seems to me like it's a multi-generational project.

Speaker 1 If these guys were the ones that built them, like the historians say, it seems to me like

Speaker 1 every generation was working on three.

Speaker 1 I break ground on my grandsons. I'm getting my sons going and I'm finishing mine.
Every generation was probably doing that because these things probably took 100 years to build, man. They're huge.

Speaker 1 The only explanation outside of that, it was some lost technology. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's the only explanation. The problem with the lost technology thing is where's the tools? Like, what would you use?

Speaker 1 There is some evidence that there's some sophisticated cutting methods, the coring, the drills that indicate like a very high-speed drill, which is is interesting. So, it's not just as simple as

Speaker 1 getting some tube and slowly working its way through.

Speaker 1 The way it's cut into some of the granite indicates that it was done at a high speed. So, the question is, like, how, what, what was the material, where is it, what happened to it.

Speaker 1 And you can like, the argument, of course, would be this is the kind of stuff that we get looted right away, right?

Speaker 1 If you watch Mad Max, they're not running around picking up bottle caps, they're picking up the stuff you can use. But

Speaker 1 on the flip side of that,

Speaker 1 the evidence,

Speaker 1 if you look at any one of your videos or mine that are about the pyramids, you're going to have thousands of comments of people that are like, here's my theory on the pyramids.

Speaker 1 And most of these are pretty mundane. Most of these are, I think they might have used water to.

Speaker 1 We kind of need to exhaust, in my mind, we kind of need to exhaust all that mundane shit that people can throw at this problem before we really can start saying, okay, now

Speaker 1 let's just step outside of history and speculate harder. I'm willing to entertain the things, but if you really want to find out what happened in my mind, you kind of have to be more grounded with it.

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Speaker 1 Well, I think if we're looking at a linear timeline between the technology that was available to people, say, 15,000 years ago and today, then, yeah, then you have to look at it in a more mundane way because obviously they didn't have electricity then.

Speaker 1 You're thinking, obviously they didn't have diamond tip cutting tools that were made out of like some super titanium or whatever the fuck the alloy was but if we're looking at lost technology and if we're looking at the possibility of you know when you get into graham hancock stuff specifically the younger dryest impact theory

Speaker 1 which uh

Speaker 1 I'm always fascinated by both the people that fully support it and the people that fully dismiss it. Both of those things are interesting to me because you don't know.
Just stop.

Speaker 1 Just stop. Shake it.
Shake you down. Shut your hole.
So accurate, right? Shut your hole. We're all just guessing.
Yeah. We're guessing, but we're all looking at some really interesting stuff, right?

Speaker 1 We're looking at the iridium.

Speaker 1 We're looking at the micro-diamonds, the nano diamonds. We're looking at the...
Black mat. Yeah.
Do you know about my friend John Reeves up in Alaska,

Speaker 1 the bone yard in Alaska? No, I don't. John Reeves,

Speaker 1 he found this.

Speaker 1 This was actually sawed.

Speaker 1 That's an ancient mammoth bone.

Speaker 1 The piece that was cut out was how it was carbon dated, and I forget what the carbon date it was. It wasn't that extraordinary.

Speaker 1 Hundreds of years, I think, right? It was only hundreds of years, right?

Speaker 1 Or maybe a couple thousand. I forget what it was.

Speaker 1 But the fact that it was sawed at the top is very interesting because they were trying to, some of the bones they've dated to tens of thousands of years, including animals that they found that they've found bones of that weren't even supposed to be in this area.

Speaker 1 So he has a very small piece of land. He has an enormous piece of land, but a small piece of it, I think it's only about six acres, where they're finding an enormous number of woolly mammoth bones.

Speaker 1 Short-faced bear,

Speaker 1 all these different lions and all these different animals

Speaker 1 that some of them they didn't even think were in Alaska. 10,000, 15,000 years ago.

Speaker 1 And there's also a thick layer of dark carbon that indicates that like something happened, like there was some sort of massive burn.

Speaker 1 And the theory is that there was an enormous flood and that this was a basin where a lot of these animals that died got washed into and then covered.

Speaker 1 So they have this wall that is essentially permafrost and they hose it down. They do it all the time and then they see a mammoth tusk and then they slowly work their way out.

Speaker 1 But he has where go to this go to his Instagram page.

Speaker 1 John was about he's every year he's our last guest, but this year he got pneumonia.

Speaker 1 So we had a

Speaker 1 delay him until recently. But this is all stuff that they find.
He's a gold miner. So this is all stuff that they find

Speaker 1 on his property. Well, it started out incidentally, and now they search for it.
But that's John right there in the middle with the baseball hat on. So he, the big guy right there,

Speaker 1 he's a giant human. I see.
So, I mean, you got to see him in real life. He's huge.

Speaker 1 But this area that he has is extraordinary because he's got enormous. See, that's how they hose it all down.

Speaker 1 so he set up this multi-million dollar research facility out there he's got huge warehouses store and thousands and thousands of these bones wow and it's just in a six acre area and then there's another additional area that's a similar size so that you can see one of the bones one of the uh tusks sticking out but he gave us that um a step bison skull that's in the lobby i don't know if you saw that that's 10 000 years old wow damn yeah and so he's got a bunch of and he pulls them out left and right see if you can find like some of the the bins that he has

Speaker 1 So he's got these enormous like look look at all those mammoth tusks. Holy shit.
Just stacks of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 A ton of them and they're all over the place. I mean his his property is really really extraordinary.
Wow. But it's all his.
Yeah. So he's like, hey, fuck off.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like I'm just going to dig this stuff up myself. I don't want anybody come in lying and bullshitting and controlling the area.
It's all on private land.

Speaker 1 So I'm just going to keep pulling the stuff out of there and hiring people to come in and do some research on it. Look at all these bones I found.
Isn't that insane?

Speaker 1 That's wild. So that's the theory.
The theory is that this was an area where a lot of these animals that died probably instantaneously by the impact got washed into.

Speaker 1 Okay, and I could see that. I mean, he has a lot of fucking bones there.

Speaker 1 You're only getting a tiny fraction of it. If you actually see it, Jamie, see if you can find one of the images of his warehouses.

Speaker 1 There's some overhead views of the warehouses. They're huge, and they're just filled with bones.
And he pulls them out every day.

Speaker 1 Like, whenever they want, they go down and they hose down the permafrost. And because it's in the permafrost, it's all preserved.
Yeah. Wow, that's what I was just thinking.

Speaker 1 Permafrost is preserved real well. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So these are just...

Speaker 1 Yeah. But these are all storage bins that they have filled with bones.
I mean, it's pretty extraordinary. That is wild.
Yeah, that's...

Speaker 1 It's sad that he doesn't want to to bring the scientists in, but I can understand why.

Speaker 1 The way that things are nowadays, it's...

Speaker 1 He doesn't trust them. Exactly.
A lot of people don't. And he wanted to come on here to spread it out to the world.

Speaker 1 One of the things that he found out was that they dumped the previous owners of his property before he owned it.

Speaker 1 What museum was it again, Jamie? American National History.

Speaker 1 American National History Museum in New York City had acquired some of the bones, and they had so much of them that they dumped some of them in the East River.

Speaker 1 Now, they denied it, so he sent divers out to the exact spot in the East River, and they started pulling up step bison bones and all these different

Speaker 1 ancient, ancient animal bones from this exact area where they said to look for it.

Speaker 1 So, it's pretty much been confirmed that it's true, and he does know that they have some of them still, and they won't release them to him.

Speaker 1 So, until they release the bones to him that are rightfully his, he's like, fuck off. You can't come here.
I can understand that.

Speaker 1 But his spot, in my opinion, is one of the best indicators that there was a mass casualty event. There was some sort of a huge catastrophe that took place that killed all of these animals.

Speaker 1 Now, we know that humans were around back then. The question was, how sophisticated were they? And this is where it all gets so weird.

Speaker 1 You know, because I've been following this forever and ever and ever. And I was following it long before they discovered Gobekli Tepe.

Speaker 1 And so the question was that the archaeologists would always, the really arrogant archaeologists would always throw in the faces of these heretics.

Speaker 1 They would say, well, if this is true, where's the evidence of this ancient civilization that was so sophisticated they can make massive stone structures 10,000 years ago? There is no evidence.

Speaker 1 Well, now there is.

Speaker 1 So now they have to kind of look at it and go, well, okay, we were wrong about that, but we're still, we know 2,500 BC maximum, that's how old the pyramids are. They don't, they don't,

Speaker 1 a lot of the scientists, most of the scientists are actually scientists, but the ones that we end up seeing are the ones that that are invested in creating a narrative.

Speaker 1 They're the ones that they want to make sure that pseudo-archaeology and pseudoscience is always on its back foot and never gets a fair day in court and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 These guys,

Speaker 1 they don't give us any real accurate interpretation of the data. They'll step way outside of their lane to tell you what's going on.

Speaker 1 What do you mean like Flint Dibble? I mean, I mean exactly like Flint Dibble.

Speaker 1 Well, you were the guy that broke down what he was inaccurate about when he was having that air quotes debate with Graham Hancock. Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's all very unfortunate because what he does know is really interesting.

Speaker 1 All that stuff about ancient seeds and stuff and how they change over the time and how you can tell whether a sea is domesticated versus whether it's feral. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's good at what he does, at least as far as that stuff goes. But like

Speaker 1 there was another, there's a guy that's a trained anthropologist that made a couple of videos about him, Sam Urban from Illegitimate Scholar. And he, he, I think Graham mentioned him here before,

Speaker 1 he specialized in

Speaker 1 underwater shipwrecks, and he just blasted the stuff that Flint said, not just the three million shipwrecks. He just blasted on a scientific level.

Speaker 1 This is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong. Yeah, he got way out of his lane with that.
Yeah, and that's, you know,

Speaker 1 that's, I guess, one of the biggest things here.

Speaker 1 All those guys right now are laughing, go, you're an electrician, Dan. You're outside of your lane every time you talk about this shit.
But the difference is.

Speaker 1 You're outside of your lane. I'm outside my lane about fucking everything.
We're not talking about people getting beat up or cracking jokes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, only you would have a painting of you busting Shangulus' ass.

Speaker 1 I didn't make that. Every time he posts that picture, he's like, I had a great time on GRU.
I'm like, man, I've seen that on it. That's a beautiful work of art, right? It's very pretty.
Very pretty.

Speaker 1 Good painting. Yeah, so we're all out of our lanes.
It's with something. Every person who's an expert is out of their lanes with a lot of things.

Speaker 1 But there's a difference, and this is like what you alluded to it a minute ago, where it's like there's a difference between saying we know for a fact and we're not sure.

Speaker 1 And, you know, a common atheist argument, if you talk like Richard Dawkins, you'll say, the minute that a scientist says God did it, they're not worth a fuck to me in the lab because they're not working anymore.

Speaker 1 They're like, I've got the answer. That's the same thing as the science is settled.
If you say the science is done, we know for a fact.

Speaker 1 You can't say that.

Speaker 1 You're no longer worth a fuck to me in the lab. Science is not settled when you don't have all the information in the universe.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Since we never will.
Yeah. Well, maybe we will.

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Speaker 1 Maybe we won't, but maybe our future people will. Future selves, yes.
Yeah, I mean, what we're looking at is a mystery.

Speaker 1 And Egypt, to me, is one of the most phenomenal of all the mysteries, one of the most fascinating, because whatever happened, however long ago, those people in Africa did something that no one's been able to do since.

Speaker 1 And they did it in a way that defies...

Speaker 1 our understanding, not just of what they could do back then, but of what people could ever do, including right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot to be said, like, that you can't see about ancient Egypt that's amazing. Like, you know, the Bronze Age collapse, you've heard of that, right? And the sea peoples.

Speaker 1 Egypt was like the big power that survived. Like, all these other big powers, they were destroyed.
They were crushed. They lost everything.
Egypt got smaller, but it survived.

Speaker 1 It wasn't until the Greeks came along that it was, I mean, they'd been conquered off and on, but it wasn't until the Greeks came along that they were truly subjugated.

Speaker 1 And that's thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

Speaker 1 And by the time the Greeks showed up, that shit was so old that you look on the Ossyreal and they say that there's graffiti that's like like the sacred geometry shit that was Hermeticism that was popular in Greece.

Speaker 1 So they're seeing Hermeticist stuff with sacred geometry on it. And that's like, you know, thousands of years later.

Speaker 1 Their minds are blown the same as their arts are today. Wow.
And that's really fucked when you think about Alexander the Great going there and tripping balls on the same shit we do.

Speaker 1 That's crazy, man. One of my favorite quotes is that Cleopatra was born closer to the age of the iPhone than she was to the construction of the pyramids.
Yes.

Speaker 1 When you think about it that way, you're like, wait, what?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 For real?

Speaker 1 That's just the conventional dating of the age of the pyramid, which is much discussed and debated.

Speaker 1 Very much discussed. And probably should be.
It really probably should be.

Speaker 1 You know, I know people want to point to carbon dating, but the problem with that is that we know that people resurface things and they do touch-ups.

Speaker 1 In fact, they're doing touch-ups right now, ill-advised, in my opinion, on the base of the Sphinx, where they've covered the feet. I think that's horrible.
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 I should have airdropped this to Jamie. I'll send it to you in a second.
There's an image that I've got of

Speaker 1 that was just sent to me that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 There's a wall of one of the magazines in one of the pyramids that has a bunch of those vases in it. And this wall is like that collapsed.
And the magazine is the name for a room.

Speaker 1 Anyway, they reconstructed this room. They reconstructed the wall, and it's got a

Speaker 1 piece of one of those vases in the fucking wall, like right in the rubble that makes up the wall. And I could not, I just,

Speaker 1 I don't even have it saved. I'm sorry.
Let me grab it real cross.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I should have done this before. You're one of those dudes who use that tiny little phone.
Look at that little thing. I'm an old guy.
Is that the iPhone Mini? Is that what that is?

Speaker 1 Or is that the SC or something? Oh, yeah, the SE, I think. Something like that.
How long is the battery left with that? 20 minutes? 14.

Speaker 1 20 minutes is about 30 extra.

Speaker 1 My son actually, he wanted an iPhone so bad. I got him an iPhone, had it for two years, and he's like, can I please have an Android? I'm so tired of having to charge my phone twice a day at school.

Speaker 1 Well, the new iPhones last forever. The new iPhones, well, I think the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and the X24 Ultra have the longest battery life in comparison to the iPhone.

Speaker 1 They do those tests where they play the Avengers and they'll play it

Speaker 1 non-stop on a loop to see which battery dies out quicker. Oh, yeah.
The androids last longer. Well, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 But not by much. Like, you have to be a total psycho to go.

Speaker 1 I have an Android. I have

Speaker 1 a Galaxy S24 Ultra and I have an iPhone. I've never had one of them run out of batteries.

Speaker 1 If you charge it in the morning, you have to be a total psycho to have it have no battery life at the end of the day. You should go to a doctor.

Speaker 1 You have a real, real phone addiction. The only time I ever had that problem recently was when I went to the Met.

Speaker 1 I went to the Met Museum in New York, and that was,

Speaker 1 I had never, I was blown away by the artifacts and stuff, and ended up

Speaker 1 basically burning my phone into the ground in order to. Just taking pictures? Yeah, you got a dead battery, son.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's kind of amazing that batteries work at all, which one of the things I wanted to bring up to you was the Baghdad battery. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's real?

Speaker 1 Was that what that was? Or is there some debate? Let's tell people

Speaker 1 is. It's a bad dad battery.
It's a clay pot. There's a number of them.
They're clay vessels. They have

Speaker 1 a copper and lead inside of them. And the way that the cap is and stuff, you could potentially fill them with orange juice or something like that, a minor acid, and get an electric charge from it.

Speaker 1 Now, it wouldn't be much of one, but you could do it.

Speaker 1 And that's something that's worth noting right there is that you can, this has been, archaeologists have determined that, well, yeah, I mean, we don't like to admit it, but yes, these potentially could have been batteries.

Speaker 1 So, like, there was a guy that did a debunking on it that's a popular YouTuber, and another archaeologist came around and kind of slapped him around a little bit, and he had to admit, he's like, okay, yeah, I didn't do my research good.

Speaker 1 So, this is the Baghdad battery? Yes. What is the conventional explanation for what these things are?

Speaker 1 The conventional explanation is

Speaker 1 that they're pots. They really don't have

Speaker 1 a good, solid debunking of it, like, despite what it says there on the screen

Speaker 1 but because of what I mean this is not speculative right because of what the actual materials are if you filled it with a minor acid it would conduct electricity

Speaker 1 so it does work yeah

Speaker 1 it wouldn't make a lot but it would make a little like how much is a little like enough to power a toothbrush I don't think that much but I know that the reports anyway was that a guy was able to make a very minor electroplating with it and that would be the kind of of thing that would be most likely applications because other stuff requires serious

Speaker 1 so like plating things with gold and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 Interesting. So the real, the craziest theory of all, for sure, is the Christopher Dunn.
The Christopher Dunn theory about the actual pyramid itself, he believes it's a massive power plant.

Speaker 1 And he believed that they were using some sort of chemicals and a certain frequency, like vibration to generate hydrogen with all the chambers and all.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the way he describes it, it sounds very compelling because there's, I don't know what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 He might be making it all up, right? So, the way he's saying it sounds so interesting. I've never heard anybody try to break down whether or not what he's saying makes sense, though.

Speaker 1 Well, now, I like Chris. I get along with him well.
I talk to him on the phone probably a couple times a month.

Speaker 1 He's, and he knows that I disagree with him.

Speaker 1 The thing that, right off the bat, as an electrician, the first thing that stands out to me is the claim of getting piezoelectricity from the blocks, which piezoelectricity is the electricity you get from like a quartz crystal when you stress it.

Speaker 1 So like your watch or a charcoal igniter for a grill, right?

Speaker 1 The igniter is just a piece of quartz that they pop it with a little spring and a stick when you pop it. And it's got a piece of metal on each side and wires, and that harnesses the charge.

Speaker 1 That's the first thing is each one of the quartz crystals in those big limestone blocks would have to have a piece of metal around it and wires coming off of it or some way of harnessing the electricity.

Speaker 1 There's tons of natural electricity happens all the time, right? Tons of, but you have to harness it in order to do something with it. Is this just our understanding of how to use electricity?

Speaker 1 And could there potentially be something that we missed? Well,

Speaker 1 there's definitely stuff we don't know about electricity. I mean, we'll start there.
There's clearly things we don't know about it.

Speaker 1 We still have guys working on the shit all the time, and they're making better and better semiconductors and whatnot all the time.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 having said that, maybe, but at that point, we're kind of like,

Speaker 1 my thinking on that is if we're going to say this is a technological thing and here's the way we get there, and then it's like, well, but we can't really do this. Well, couldn't it be something else?

Speaker 1 Well, at that point, why say that this is, why build a technological story from what we have? Why not just make shit up? Also, it's like, what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Speaker 1 Because if you have the technology to turn that thing into a gigantic electrical generator, where did you get the technology to build it?

Speaker 1 Like, what do you use? If this is the first one, if you figured, so that means you made more of these to make electricity or some other form of power, you did something.

Speaker 1 And that's what to me is so amazing about this: that no one can really look at it and go, oh, this is simple. No, no,

Speaker 1 even, even if

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 just, it's a tomb, it's a tomb alone, even those guys have to admit that it's not simple. Right.
But when you look at it from a potentially technological angle, I mean, there's

Speaker 1 Chris, I put a lot of work into his theory. It's not, and it is intricate, and he's a very intelligent person.

Speaker 1 He is really, he's so smart that when I talk to him, I feel like,

Speaker 1 I feel like I'm talking to a guy a bit smarter than me, right? He's intelligent. But

Speaker 1 I don't agree with him on some of these things.

Speaker 1 And that's really, I think that's one of the reasons he likes me is because I'll be chill about it and just be like, I'm like, yeah, you're fucking Charlotte.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a really important point, and that's one of the things that I really do enjoy about your videos. When you disagree about something, you're very cordial about it.

Speaker 1 I think that's important because,

Speaker 1 you know, I've talked about this many times, but it's a real flaw with human beings. We attach ourselves to ideas, and we defend those ideas as if we're defending our worth as people.
And it's stupid.

Speaker 1 And if you're wrong about something, it's just information.

Speaker 1 It should just be an idea. It shows far more about your flaws if you're willing to defend ideas that are clearly inaccurate.

Speaker 1 I couldn't agree with you more there. Thanks for the compliment, by the way.
But yeah, I couldn't agree with you more there. It's a complete mess.

Speaker 1 And especially when it's science. That's where

Speaker 1 archaeology really can piss me off because these guys, there's a lot of it that's just made-up stuff, right? It's one thing to say

Speaker 1 We know for a fact this was carbon dated to X and blah. It's another thing to say this looks like that, therefore it's this.
I mean, that's the same. The guys say that about all kinds of shit, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, here's these stones look like pillows. Ergo, they must be concrete.
Well, it's like, Jamie, could you show that stupid image with the anime face on it?

Speaker 1 I'm using this one to drive that point home that the pareidolia is not, just because it looks like something does not fucking mean that.

Speaker 1 The pareidolia? Yeah, pareidolia is when you see something in the clouds or whatever. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Just because something looks like something doesn't mean that this is a way to suss what a fucking ancient artifact is. Oh, this one is the image of the eyes of the eyes of Horus.

Speaker 1 Is that what that is? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then, so there's a lot of weird speculation as to what that means, right? And some people think it means the pineal gland. Yeah, there's a lot of speculation about that agreed.

Speaker 1 But my point is obviously, we can't just assume that, oh, well, because it looks like some anime girl, it's they would be ancient Egyptian.

Speaker 1 One of the best ones is that the image of someone holding up something that either is a basket or looks like some sort of frequencies are emanating from some device. Yeah, that one's interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, maybe it's a basket.
It doesn't look like a basket, though. It looks

Speaker 1 like something you're trying to indicate something. Yeah, it does look like they're trying to, at the very least,

Speaker 1 the other ones with the

Speaker 1 long phallus-looking tubes

Speaker 1 that seem to be some sort of energy source or something. Well, and a lot of them have that, like...
pyramid shape on their on their crotch, right? A lot of them.

Speaker 1 Just like this big straight, and it's not, it doesn't look phallic, but I mean, it kind of implies it, but it implies almost like it's a like it's symbolism for something, right?

Speaker 1 Those long tube ones, see if you could find those. How would you describe that? Like, if he's going to search for it,

Speaker 1 um,

Speaker 1 look, energy emanating from it there.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 That's, yes, this is one of the hardest things about this is trying to find damn, he found it. Oh, damn.
Oh, so then there are lights. That's, yes, there are.
Yeah. So, like, what the hell is that?

Speaker 1 That's, yeah.

Speaker 1 Some people think it's

Speaker 1 an actual actual light bulb. That's a bong to the left.

Speaker 1 Some people think that

Speaker 1 that's a light bulb. Well, like, what is that supposed to be? What the hell is that supposed to be? It looks like a serpent inside of it.
Yeah, it's there.

Speaker 1 The mainstream thing is that it's like a symbol of life. And

Speaker 1 like, that's the, I forget which plant that is. What's that thing above it, too? What are those little...

Speaker 1 That, yeah, what the hell is that? Well, it looks like writing of some sort, but I'm not sure what it says.

Speaker 1 that's one of the my main hopes for ai that ai will get so sophisticated they can start deciphering these things in a more meaningful way in a way where you could use you know these large language models like if if we get like some

Speaker 1 you know like they have the rosetta stone and the rosetta stone allowed them to decipher a lot of the ancient hieroglyphs if they could get some sort of much more comprehensive analysis of what they were trying to say with this stuff that would be nice yeah If it's even possible.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm just guessing. Well, that's Dendera Light.
It might be something that they can pull off.

Speaker 1 AI is a tough one. You have to ask Elon.
That's more his neck of the woods than mine. So it's a part of the reference is part of the Egyptian creation myth.
Yes,

Speaker 1 the water lily or the

Speaker 1 lotus flower, was it that came out of the.

Speaker 1 It's so weird. It is.
Their iconography is weird. That's one of the reasons I was taking so many pictures at the Met.
It was just like,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 so many things are just weird. Just fucking weird.

Speaker 1 You just look at it, you're like, this does not. It's so old.

Speaker 1 So old and so weird. It's like we don't even know what their language sounded like, which is also amazing.
Yeah, it is. It's like, I just

Speaker 1 have all the places in the world where I could go back in time and observe, you know, just

Speaker 1 somehow

Speaker 1 undetected, you know, if you get a

Speaker 1 like a

Speaker 1 some sort of a sphere of time that could place you in a place where you would, you wouldn't disturb anything, but you could observe. That's what I was like, what was going on?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, how'd they do that? What did it look like? What did their culture look like? What did the people look like when they were going about their daily tasks?

Speaker 1 You know, we used to think it was slaves that built the pyramid. Now they think, no, they were skilled workers.

Speaker 1 And they think that based on what their diet was and they were eating good food. And these people were well taken care of that were involved in working around that area.
So like, who were they?

Speaker 1 What was it all about? Yeah, that's one of the things that

Speaker 1 when they say that it's not slaves that built it, that kind of makes me chuckle because, yeah, we know that they had

Speaker 1 well-fed people that worked there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were the only people that worked there. I mean, if you go

Speaker 1 down to construction over here, you're going to have a guy that's eating at zip or eating at freaking Burger Keen or whatever, and you're going to have another guy who's eating a $300 lunch, and they're going to be working at the same job site.

Speaker 1 Right.

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Speaker 1 See visible.com for planned features and network management details. Want to work there? And they were forced into it, which makes you slaves.

Speaker 1 If you pay slaves well, they're still slaves. They're still slaves.
You kill them when they leave. They're slaves.

Speaker 1 That's right. It's like you have a job to do no matter what you want to do.
Oh, you want to become a musician? Fuck off. Go push that rock.
Push the rock and push it some more.

Speaker 1 When you don't want that one, there's another.

Speaker 1 We're never going to stop being fascinated by the people of the past that we don't understand. And I think, again, the best example of that is Egypt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's where, like we were talking about how archaeology and the archaeologists and pseudo-guys will argue with each other so much about, and it gets so bad-blooded about it.

Speaker 1 And it's like, man, I talked about this a little bit last time, but

Speaker 1 there's really, I see it as two distinct halves of the human psyche at work in this, in this regard. You can almost see

Speaker 1 the distinction in the way that scientists tend to be antisocial.

Speaker 1 Antisocial might not be the right word, but they're just a little fucking weird, man.

Speaker 1 They're the kind of guys that they dress weird, they talk weird, they act weird, they just come across fucking weird. You're talking about Flint Devil? I'm talking about all scientists in general.

Speaker 1 But yes, he would be one of them, but he's not the only one. Like John Hoops is a great example of this, too.
If you watch him, the way he carries himself, the way he talks, he's just fucking weird.

Speaker 1 And look at Einstein. You watch that guy.

Speaker 1 He carried himself fucking weird yeah but my friend Chris Williamson has a very interesting take on that that I think is very accurate he said if you expect regular people to get extraordinary results you're not you're being silly yeah you're gonna get weird people that are gonna get weird results that's exactly right I agree with you now I'm more scientifically literate, I think, than most of the people that I know.

Speaker 1 And I kind of feel like Shane Gillis jokes about being nicked by the Down syndrome thing. I feel like I was nicked by the antisocial thing.

Speaker 1 I walk into a bar and if I don't know anybody, my first instinct is just to go sit in the corner and watch.

Speaker 1 That's part of the problem with being intelligent. You're worried that you're going to get dragged into a dumbass conversation.

Speaker 1 It won't be stimulating. It's the opposite of stimulating.
Oh, it's terrible. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But if you sit in the corner and watch, well, then you look like the weird old guy creeper in from the fucking corner. So you just go sit at the bar and talk to people.
But

Speaker 1 I'm aware that, you know, I can be a little little off that way.

Speaker 1 But these guys,

Speaker 1 every now and again, one of them will show up that's like a Carl Sagan. Now, this guy, he's just a regular Joe.
He could talk to everybody, and he happens to be a fucking great scientist.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he got a lot of shit from his colleagues for that. He got a lot of shit from his colleagues for taking the time to talk to the peasants.

Speaker 1 And the way he did it wasn't abrasive. If somebody asked him about aliens, if they're like, man, you know, what do you think the aliens were up to over on Alpha Centauri?

Speaker 1 What kind of technology do you think they have? That's almost his initial response. He'd be like,

Speaker 1 you're always thinking, how the fuck am I supposed to know? But then he'd be, well, you know, Alpha Centauri is about a billion years older than our star.

Speaker 1 And so if you were to assume that they were around for a billion years longer than us and had the same stuff. And so he would...
entertain them.

Speaker 1 And then he would do things. He would interject a little bit of science.
When they would ask a question, he would answer it and make sure that there was a little science in that.

Speaker 1 So the people that really didn't give a fuck about learning about the science, they just want to talk about UFOs. Yeah.
Spoonful of sugar and the fucking medicine went down.

Speaker 1 You're walking out with some science in your head, bitch. Like it or not.
Yeah, that's being a science educator, right? Which is very important. And very rare for them to be good.

Speaker 1 It's very rare for them to be good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you seen the recent images that they got from Mars of that big square? Mm-hmm. What the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 It's one of those things where I was talking to Jamie just before the show. It is a bad day to be a professional skeptic, I'm telling you what.

Speaker 1 If you've been making the last, you're living the last 20 years poo-pooing all the aliens and UFO shit and whatnot, man, oh man, is it a rough day for you?

Speaker 1 Because if that same shit was LiDAR from the South American forest, you'd be like, yeah, there's probably a village there. It makes sense.
This is even more clear than LIDAR. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 It's super above the surface. Jamie pulled a photo of it up.
This is super recent, right? Yeah, just a few days ago, found it. Yeah, this found it recently.
I think it's been online for a while.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, that's what I was reading. Oh, so

Speaker 1 is it that there's a mass of data that they scan from the surface, and then someone just detected this recently? I think someone just found it on the website. It might be one of those things.

Speaker 1 It's like, who is going to go by hand over each one of these images? And I mean, you're dealing with the entire surface of a planet that's, what is it, like three-quarters of the size of Earth?

Speaker 1 I think that might even be a little smaller.

Speaker 1 That's smaller than that? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think it's a little larger, but I could be wrong. Well, so something smaller than Earth, but bigger than the moon, and you're going to go over the entire surface of it.
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and this, I think they think the rough estimates of this square are between 300 kilometers, 300 meters and multiple kilometers. They don't know how big it is.

Speaker 1 You know, it's because it's like it's hard to get a reference. Yeah.
So I think the estimate is at the very smallest, it's several hundred meters across. So this thing, this square,

Speaker 1 it's really crazy because it's right angle, right angle, right angle, right angle. Yeah.
And doesn't look to be very asymmetrical.

Speaker 1 They added that square so you can see it better. It's like superimposed on that one.
Yeah. Yeah, but this is the original image.
Just this alone. You're like, what the fuck? I said,

Speaker 1 if you were to tell me that was a LiDAR picture from South America, I'd be like, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's just too convenient that it makes a square.

Speaker 1 It just seems so weird. It is.

Speaker 1 And then there's another image that goes along with this that's even more bizarre.

Speaker 1 Maybe not even more bizarre, but it's like almost looks like a cone, like a cone structure that's emanating from the surface, like surrounded by a circle.

Speaker 1 Have you seen that one? I've seen that one, but I've seen people talk to you. See if you can find that one, Jamie.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's real weird stuff. And no one has like the face on Mars was real interesting.

Speaker 1 I got really into Richard Hoagland and all his Cydonia stuff for a while, but he was making some very bizarre measurements.

Speaker 1 Like if you go one half of the distance between this and three quarters of the way between that's exact number that takes a like what do you but but don't do that. How about don't do that?

Speaker 1 Don't do that. How about don't just fucking arbitrarily look for some sort of

Speaker 1 I did that in a video once kind of being a dick making fun of the idea that there's all this data encoded in the vases.

Speaker 1 I have no problem with the idea of the vases being like, you know, proof that these guys were,

Speaker 1 they're definitely fucking exacting and whatnot. But the idea that they've like hidden dad.
Is that the Cydonia face?

Speaker 1 I guess it's right by the square. What? Really?

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I guess, right? Is that what that's saying? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. It says the giant square structure, just a short hike from the legendary face on Mars.
Holy shit. That's crazy.
How do they miss that?

Speaker 1 They were concentrated on the face, which is like, it might be a face, might not be. To me, the original images, yeah, look really wild.

Speaker 1 But then the images afterwards were like, oh, no, it's just the weird light hitting it in a certain way. And you can find plenty of structures on Earth that will do a similar thing.

Speaker 1 I saw this too. Why is that?

Speaker 1 This weird shit they're finding, like, sticking out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You find weird shit in nature. That's not as compelling as the other one.
There was something that looked like a cone.

Speaker 1 So the actual image when they got, what is that dirty stuff you got?

Speaker 1 Horrible.

Speaker 1 I just typed in Mars photo. Time for a bathroom break.

Speaker 1 What's wrong with the fear works? It is kind of wild that Twitter has like hardcore porn on it. It always has.
Yeah. Very weird.
I'm not complaining. Do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 I'm all for doing whatever you want. But this original tract of images, it's a long one.
And if you scroll through it, one of them is

Speaker 1 some very bizarre-looking cone-like structure. That's it.
That's it. Oh, okay.
Yeah, that is weird. Very weird.
Like, what's that? I mean, it could be just a mountain, but it looks like a zit.

Speaker 1 It does. It is.

Speaker 1 And the fact that it's so close to that other thing, that's what's screwing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The faces in it, they're all, yeah, so it's all this one area that's been studied for a long time as being that there's a bunch of different things there that you could interpret as being some sort of a structure.

Speaker 1 Well, Jimmy was sharing that video

Speaker 1 in response to this, of Buzz Aldrin, saying that there's like a

Speaker 1 monolith on the moon. Yeah.
I hadn't seen that before. I mean, I

Speaker 1 embarrassingly hadn't. I've always been a little out of the UFO side of things.
I've always watched it, but always, you know, just a little bit.

Speaker 1 I'm usually looking at pyramids and stuff. Wouldn't he like to feed Buzz Aldrin some mushrooms and say, tell me what you know.
Dude, tell me what you really know. I like what you know.

Speaker 1 Oh, did you really go? I like the clip when he punches that fucking dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.
Yeah, that guy. You're a liar? Whap.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Needs to work on his punch.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Had a clean shot and didn't do much.
Yeah, it was a zero gravity training.

Speaker 1 His bones are deteriorated. It's been in space for so long.
That is a wild thing that does happen to them.

Speaker 1 It takes forever for your body to get back to normal. Yeah, it's when you're crazy.

Speaker 1 It's crazy to think that that stress is needed.

Speaker 1 If you don't have those kinds of stresses in your life, that your body just.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which fucks up the whole Superman myth. If Superman came over here, his body would deteriorate.
Yeah. After a while, he would be just like us.
Poor guy. Right? It wouldn't even work.

Speaker 1 You can't just fly.

Speaker 1 But obviously, cartoons. No x-rays.
Comic book of it. Yeah, all those things.

Speaker 1 The ability to go so fast you could spend time backwards. Remember, spawn the earth back.

Speaker 1 Water goes up the hill. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you could somehow or another make sense out of the possibility that a civilization civilization existed on Mars and was wiped out millions and millions of years ago.

Speaker 1 That would change the way we think about everything. And I feel like that square is one step closer

Speaker 1 to like really needing a comprehensive analysis of what's there.

Speaker 1 Because before it was just like, oh, it's a lifeless planet, but at one time it had an atmosphere. Interesting.
Oh, they found frozen water. Oh, interesting.
Oh, they actually found liquid water now.

Speaker 1 More interesting. Now they found a big square.
Okay.

Speaker 1 What's that? Yeah. That one to me is the what's that.
And this is where, in my mind,

Speaker 1 this is where the

Speaker 1 that skeptics versus dreamers thing gets really fucked because

Speaker 1 the answer should be the same for everybody. Let's just next expedition.
Let's poke around a little up there, right?

Speaker 1 Let's find out the evidence. But the answer is always from one side, it's definitely this.
From the other side, it's definitely not.

Speaker 1 Not completely, but to the point where we don't get to draw a parallel with that Yanaguni, the site, the underwater site that Graham Hancock likes to talk about.

Speaker 1 The skeptics are certain that it's a geological formation. Most of the other people are not.

Speaker 1 We need work done. That's the clear fucking answer is just put some money at it, put some bodies on it.

Speaker 1 And until then, the answer, in my mind, is when somebody asks me, what do I think about Yanaguni? I say, well, it's interesting. You know, it's probably been eroded for a long time.

Speaker 1 So it might be man-made and just looks naturally. It might be natural.
We need more evidence before I'm going to hang my hat anywhere. Right.
And that's. Which is very reasonable.

Speaker 1 And in all honesty, it should be the scientific position. It should be the position that the scientists are espousing.

Speaker 1 If they wanted to have credibility in this sphere, they should be the ones towing that line and then let the pyramidiots all be certain, and this is how we know it was.

Speaker 1 And the scientists can look, but instead they get in the mud and act just like everybody else.

Speaker 1 They also stall progress with their arrogance.

Speaker 1 They stall progress by dismissing any possibility. Like what are those ones? Is it near the Bahamas? Those enormous stones that are on the floor?

Speaker 1 The surface of the ocean? The Bimini Road. That's right.
That one's weird.

Speaker 1 If you don't think that's weird, like, come on.

Speaker 1 And they're right.

Speaker 1 I would agree with a geologist that there's a really good chance that it's just beach rock. However,

Speaker 1 we can do work. Yeah.
This is the stuff it's like the people that, you know, if you say that the rocks are geopolymers and sucks, say who I'm on or whatever. Right.

Speaker 1 It's like, there's no reason for us to argue about this, man. We just fucking do some work.
Right. The Bimini Road was really interesting.
There's a lot of really interesting stuff that they find

Speaker 1 under the water that makes you think, okay,

Speaker 1 what is this? And the Yanagooni thing, like, if that's the case. See, that, to me, that could easily be natural.
Yeah. When I'm looking at it right there.
That easily could be natural.

Speaker 1 They're not uniform enough for bells to go off, you know. But that one lower right, that one right below that, Jamie, right below your cursor to the right, that one freaks me out a little.

Speaker 1 That seems like those are stacked. Yeah, it does.
It seems very much like that.

Speaker 1 And when you're dealing with

Speaker 1 if you want to go really crazy with the John Anthony West version of it, which is like 30,000 plus years, that's probably what you would have left over. Yeah, that's you're accurate there.

Speaker 1 There's a thought tool that archaeologists use called the

Speaker 1 Silurian hypothesis. And Silurian's like this Doctor Who bad guy that

Speaker 1 went into hibernation. They're lizards.
They went into hibernation like before the dinosaurs died out. And then they wake up one day and there's all these monkeys running around on their planet.

Speaker 1 And so,

Speaker 1 but that's the Doctor Who thing, right?

Speaker 1 But the Silurian hypothesis is basically a thought tool for archaeologists and historians to say, well, if there was an advanced civilization on Earth 10 million years ago, what would we need to find in order for it to exist?

Speaker 1 And or what would we find now, 10 million years later? And the answer is usually like radioactive material. It's like 10 million years, man,

Speaker 1 you might find a couple of bones, but the odds of finding anything that's going to actually prove that they had technology?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Not much.
That's also the problem with the idea of this very sophisticated construction methods of the pyramids that were using some sort of advanced advanced technology.

Speaker 1 Like, what would, if John Anthony West is correct, and he's talking about 30 plus thousand years,

Speaker 1 what would be left after 30,000 years? Well, certainly not much metal. No.
Oh, no, that stuff would be looted right away.

Speaker 1 And even if it wasn't, what would be actually left of it? If it was just like sitting on the ground, it would be rotted and melted to nothing.

Speaker 1 The video that you sent me yesterday,

Speaker 1 the one with the stone nubs,

Speaker 1 they talked about holes.

Speaker 1 All those, I can't say for all of the sites, but like the Coliseum and stuff, they used metal to bond the bricks together and the concrete together in places.

Speaker 1 So years later, when the city's under attack and they need metal to make swords, they looted it. That's recorded.
That makes sense. And it happened a lot in the Roman world.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you brought up the nubs. Yeah.
Because the nubs,

Speaker 1 that was one of the videos that I watched of yours yesterday,

Speaker 1 where

Speaker 1 what we're talking about, folks, is there's many places like Machu Picchu, there's

Speaker 1 what other places have nubs all over the place. Even that Montana thing.
Even Montana.

Speaker 1 You'll see them on Egyptian sarcophagi. You'll see them on the casings, unfinished casing stones at the bottom of Mankari's pyramid.

Speaker 1 You'll see them basically almost every megalithic site on the planet has some nubs somewhere. All the ones, if they're finished blocks, you'll usually find nubs somewhere.

Speaker 1 And do you think that it's possible that those nubs, there's the nubs, those nubs were used to hoist things up and move them into place? Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 there's a technique called a lifting boss that's used to lift big things like that. But there's a couple of issues

Speaker 1 with that being the only reason that they're used. For one, a lot of times they're small like that, and they wouldn't really do you much good.

Speaker 1 For two, a lot of times we see them like on the lids of a coffin, for example, which you wouldn't want to leave it there afterwards because you don't want to facilitate the next guy to be able to pop the coffin lid, right?

Speaker 1 So you say that they're small, but if you were trying to place something exactly and you were lifting it up from the bottom, the only way you would be able to do that is if you had something like a nub sticking on the outside of it.

Speaker 1 In order to catch a rope or keep it from walking or something like that. Or whatever it is, boards or whatever you're using to lift that and place it into position.

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, yeah. There's, like I say, there's,

Speaker 1 they, they are

Speaker 1 lifting bosses are a thing. They're It's not unknown.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there's a good possibility. I mean, there's not a good possibility.
Quite certainly, quite frequently, these were used for that.

Speaker 1 Interesting also that the bottom stones don't have them.

Speaker 1 The fact a lot of people do bring up a good point. I didn't talk about it in my video, but it's an interesting point: why did they get left?

Speaker 1 Now, like that one around the windows there, like to me, that's pretty clearly

Speaker 1 to the left, Jamie. Sorry, that one right there.
Yeah, the one Scott, that one's pretty clearly to me,

Speaker 1 like that's functional, right? I mean, they're, they're right, that looks like maybe like stopped, had an iron gate attached to it or something, veranda or some shit, right? Smoking balcony. But

Speaker 1 some of them, on the other hand, they look

Speaker 1 a lot more questionable. Okay, like, like,

Speaker 1 those are odd. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 They're just fucking weird. And

Speaker 1 sometimes you see them on things that don't, like

Speaker 1 the stone was carved in the ground and they left these ones. Sorry, Jamie, to the one a little bit higher with the red tint to it, upper right-hand side.
Upper right, right above that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, click on that.

Speaker 1 That is

Speaker 1 so strange.

Speaker 1 And now, like, on stones like these, you don't really need a lifting boss. Okay, you got, like, that, look at that stone that's on the right there that's all the one to the left,

Speaker 1 that guy there. You could just use that lip on the corner, right, right above, right below the cursor.
You could use that lip for a lifting boss.

Speaker 1 You could tie a rope around that thing and push it wherever the the fuck you wanted.

Speaker 1 Right, but if you wanted to get it to sit down without having to pull out whatever's underneath it or whatever underneath it getting crushed, wouldn't you want something to assist you like that little nub?

Speaker 1 No, yeah,

Speaker 1 but again, you could just pop it into the corner on the side and do the same thing.

Speaker 1 Right, but if you were doing that as a method for each individual stone and some of them you couldn't pop in like that.

Speaker 1 Okay, you go with that. You know what I'm saying? Like it would be a technique that you would use to hoist these things into position.
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Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that's the lifting boss is what the mainstream explanation is. That all of them were for that.
And there's, again,

Speaker 1 it's the ubiquity that really makes it different to me. It's like, and popping up on different sides of the ocean.
And that's where it just seems kind of weird. It's like...

Speaker 1 For it to show up, looking so similar, used so similar, all over the place, left behind when they're done, that's kind of weird too. Right, they didn't polish them down.

Speaker 1 They didn't polish them down, yeah.

Speaker 1 The rest of the walls usually, a lot of times, I mean, the stones are fitted so well together. Clearly, they knew how to make these stones flat as fuck.

Speaker 1 Why is this part still got this big tit hanging off of it? It's just that's weird.

Speaker 1 Despite the title of my video saying the true purpose, that's just clickbait. Nobody knows.

Speaker 1 There's the best mainstream explanation would be lifting bosses.

Speaker 1 most common alternate history explanation is usually like

Speaker 1 it's like a leftover from the concrete being pulled out like the guy in the video was saying or it's like if you have a bag of concrete and it's just like the one little spot that kind of seeps out.

Speaker 1 I don't think that they're from geopolymers, but that's... Yeah, I've heard the concrete explanation too as far as

Speaker 1 the stones and the Great Pyramid.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 We can test, again, we can test these things. That's where

Speaker 1 some of the guys that claim that everything's geopolymers will pretend that we can't test things. But the reality is we absolutely can test that for that kind of shit.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's not difficult at all, actually.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the problem is, and this is where it gets, like you said, the archaeologists stand between things.

Speaker 1 The problem is, is that in certain places in the world, like Peru, for example, and Bolivia, it's fucking hard to get.

Speaker 1 Look at those alien bodies right now in Peru, right? Yeah. Okay.
Oh, we've been looking at them. Oh, I'm sure you have.
And the scientists keep saying they're real.

Speaker 1 But the only fucking scientists I ever see weighing in on them are Peruvian scientists. It's like, well, okay, let some people from around the world.
Oh, no, no, no. Fuck you guys.
These are us.

Speaker 1 All right, man. That's...

Speaker 1 But is that like a hyper-exaggerated version of the boneyard?

Speaker 1 It could be. Deeper implications.
It could be, but we've seen a lot of the same kind of stuff with them.

Speaker 1 They have a problem in Peru with the archaeology and corruption with the money. Like, I don't know if you saw my video on the elongated skulls, but...

Speaker 1 I didn't. Okay,

Speaker 1 that video, I just cover basically how those things came in these big bundles okay they'd get these grave bags and there'd be a body in there and so they harvested a couple it's like 600 of these bundles and

Speaker 1 every time they just get opened and willy-nilly shit get moved around uh rockefeller ends up trading for a few of them and into finance because they could didn't have finances uh to store these things properly uh so rockefeller got some of those heads oh oh yeah

Speaker 1 he and we don't know how many exactly he

Speaker 1 Reportedly just four, but like he gives the money to these people to like restore all these mummies.

Speaker 1 And the first thing that they do is they restore a bunch of textiles that other mummies that they don't have anymore were like packed in and shit. It's just

Speaker 1 even all the way up into the 60s, an anthropologist opened like 70 some odd bundles.

Speaker 1 recorded what he found in four of them and put the rest back on the fucking shelf. They've been stealing artifacts and selling them on the open market.

Speaker 1 It's all about money.

Speaker 1 So really rich people, like some billionaire guy goes, I want a mummy. What do I got to get to? I want a mummy room in my castle.

Speaker 1 I want one with a really weird head. Which one's got the best head? Let's open 60.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that's just the Cusco tunnels. They just,

Speaker 1 this one's so fucked.

Speaker 1 They just announced this January, archaeologists have discovered that there are tunnels running under Cusco in Peru that connect the Temple of the Sun to the Fortress of Sac Sayhuaman and some other places around there.

Speaker 1 Oh, these are crazy. It's going to be great, man.
We did all this light architecture. It's going to be amazing, amazing discovery.

Speaker 1 And Brian Forrester uploaded a video like 11 years ago of him going on a tour of those tunnels. You could pay a guide 20 years ago to go on a tour of those tunnels.

Speaker 1 They fucking were, the Spanish were writing about them in the 1600s and the late 1500s.

Speaker 1 The only reason that we didn't investigate these tunnels is because in the 30s was when archaeology started becoming a thing and going down there and checking out those skulls and shit.

Speaker 1 And at the exact same time, Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Casey was like, you know, those tunnels that are supposed to be down there, I bet they were built by the Atlanteans.

Speaker 1 And so ever since then, archaeologists have poo-pooed it. There was a guy in the 2000s that he's an Atlantis hunter.
He did ground penetrating radar in early 2000s, found those tunnels.

Speaker 1 They rejected his work. He had a priest that witnessed those tunnels, has been down in them.
He was rejected out of hand.

Speaker 1 But then,

Speaker 1 that's okay because 25 years later, we found it. I promise they didn't steal or sell anything in the last hundred years, that the world knew that these things existed.

Speaker 1 Rich people were going down there and throwing money around, and there was zero safeguards. It's just

Speaker 1 so to circle back to the UFO, to the aliens there. It's like, I have a real problem with that shit in Peru because I can't,

Speaker 1 it's just so tainted. It's so corrupt.
It's so weird, too. I mean, I love looking at it.
I wish it was real. But that to me is always the problem whenever it comes to alien stuff.

Speaker 1 I want it to be real. So that part of my brand, I have to go, hey, stupid.

Speaker 1 Let's, let's, just because this is an x-ray doesn't mean this is legit by the way I can make you a fake x-ray pretty easy online these days it wouldn't be hard at all but these x-rays are so compelling that if they are legitimate x-rays if someone really did just piece this together with a bunch of random bones what a fantastic job they did because it doesn't look awkward at all it looks real it the the thing the thing about them that looks the fakest is just a photograph of the bodies themselves everything else looks fucking pretty legit right if the x-rays are real Yes.

Speaker 1 And this is part of the problem. But the x-rays that they show, that they say are real, God, they look so cool.

Speaker 1 I mean, you see the three-fingered hands, you see the bones look similar to ours, but different.

Speaker 1 You know, there's enough of it that's similar to a human being's, and it is some sort of bipedal,

Speaker 1 you know, hominid-like creature.

Speaker 1 whatever it is. And we know, I mean,

Speaker 1 like, we know that humans existed with a bunch of other hominids on this planet for a long time.

Speaker 1 So it wouldn't be like for us to discover a new species of even if they weren't aliens, wouldn't imagine

Speaker 1 if they were like way more advanced than us, but they wiped, got wiped out. That's you know, there's versions of us that aren't as good as us, that aren't here anymore.

Speaker 1 Right? So we have Homo sapiens, Denisovans they didn't discover until a decade or so ago.

Speaker 1 Right? So then there's a bunch of different versions of human beings that weren't as good as us. And we're the ones that maybe ones were better.

Speaker 1 And maybe the ones that were better didn't make it.

Speaker 1 Because we almost didn't make it a ton of times. Yeah.
And a lot of, it doesn't, it's, we're not, you could say, well, why did we, some people would think at that point, why did we make it?

Speaker 1 And the ones that were better, not, if that's the case. But we're not in direct competition with each other to survive necessarily.
It's also with Mother Nature and all these other things.

Speaker 1 So like you just wrong place, wrong time, species gets wiped out. Sorry.

Speaker 1 What is this, Jamie?

Speaker 1 I'm reading an article about the mummies right now, and this popped up.

Speaker 1 Metallic plates have been found throughout other areas of the mummies' bodies, from the interior covering some of the bones to external attachments on the skin, forming a bifunctional implant with no signs of rejection.

Speaker 1 These

Speaker 1 polymetallic plates have been analyzed using a light-based measurement, revealing an alloy compound of copper, cadmium, osmium, aluminum, gold, and silver, he added.

Speaker 1 Notably, the silver has a purity of over 95%, which is rare in nature.

Speaker 1 Additionally, cadmium and osseum, osmium, relatively recent discoveries, are currently used in satellite communication and satellite structures.

Speaker 1 This is what they're telling us, though. One of them was found.

Speaker 1 This is a Daily Mail article? Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is a Daily Mail article. It is a Daily Mail article.
I said one was pregnant. I think that's the one.
Yeah. Yo.

Speaker 1 They still fuck? That's kind of crazy. They don't have dicks.
Has it pregnant? Right. Shouldn't they be farming that off to a test tube if they've gotten past intercourse?

Speaker 1 Do it like octopi or something.

Speaker 1 The really weird ones were the x-rays of the body in that position where you see all the skull and the way the skull is formed and the way the fingers are formed. It's very weird, weird, weird stuff.

Speaker 1 3D reconstruction of one hand.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow. Super weird stuff.
Yeah, it is pretty wild.

Speaker 1 If it's real. But if it's just somebody's art project, you fuckers.

Speaker 1 I read that the art project was the little small ones. Yeah, the small ones

Speaker 1 supposedly have been debunked.

Speaker 1 They have hundreds of them, apparently. What? Yeah.
Okay. What do we have to give you? Trump, get on it.
Tell Trump.

Speaker 1 Scrap that. Scrap that.
Turns out they're aliens. We no longer want an expedition to Ethiopia.
Scrap that one. What the bodies.
Imagine. Well, we need a bunch of expeditions.

Speaker 1 We need answers, you know?

Speaker 1 We need someone who is like at a high position of the White House that's interested in this stuff. That would be very nice, in all honesty.

Speaker 1 Like, find one of them things, bring it to America, and let's do a live stream of scientists actually and analyzing it so it doesn't get gatekeeped at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we just get a chance to see, like, show the whole world what this is. They did that with a couple of the bundles.
They tried to with a couple of the bundles in the 50s.

Speaker 1 There was an anthropologist that opened up two of them on video. And when I was researching for my video, I found that those movie reels are lost.
Nobody knows where they went. They just disappeared.

Speaker 1 Big fucking shock.

Speaker 1 There's a newspaper article that recorded what she found in one of them.

Speaker 1 That newspaper article is not in their archives.

Speaker 1 It just stinks. It just stinks.
It's like I am not.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I'm not a conspiratorial type of person, but I'm not stupid either, right? It's pretty clear fucking conspiracy there. So what was supposedly the synopsis of her article?

Speaker 1 She was just talking about what she found inside of one of those mummy bundles with the elongated skulls and the artifacts that would be in it, the grave goods and stuff.

Speaker 1 The thing about the elongated skulls is that some of them have a larger capacity, which is interesting.

Speaker 1 So it's not simply like, because we know that there's a technique that they do with young children where they put boards on the side of their heads and they flatten their head down.

Speaker 1 You can actually form someone's head. But that's not necessarily what was being done here.

Speaker 1 No, there's

Speaker 1 the kind of nuanced argument is that some of them were legitimate aliens or other species or whatever, and then some of them were people trying to emulate that with

Speaker 1 their own shit kids. Right.
Like that it was a status symbol to have that elongated head and some people tried to fake it and pretend. Maybe it was just a genetic anomaly, right? Like

Speaker 1 some sort of bizarre. Like we talked about this, the people that are born, there's a certain tribe in Africa where a bunch of them have only two toes and they look like ostrich feet.

Speaker 1 Have you seen that? No, I haven't. That's crazy.
Jamie could find it. It's real weird.
So it's some genetic anomaly that

Speaker 1 a lot of people have there. It's not really, it's not rare.
There's a photo of a bunch of them sitting there with their feet up. That's what their toes look like.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so there's quite a few people that have this genetic anomaly with their toes. Wow.
Yeah. Very strange.

Speaker 1 So they have two enormous toes. So their feet are completely different than ours.
Wow. Yeah.
And there's quite a few people that have that.

Speaker 1 Now, you could imagine that a similar genetic anomaly could take place with the shape of the skull. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 If you could develop people that were a bunch of them or it's a gene that can spread, like you can pass it on, that you could have something where people had a larger head and a weird-shaped head.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 if it offered any sort of advantage at all, you know, and you might think, well, how could that be? It's obviously a problem.

Speaker 1 But if it offered any sort of advantage, like the, you know, the Galapagos Islands, right? And the iguanas there that go down and swim in the water and eat moss off the bottom. Y'all got webbed feet.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 1 stands to reason to me that whatever happened that isolated Galapagos and made it a shitty place to try to find food for an iguana, you got one of these iguanas, it's a little mutant McNugget running around, and he's got webbed toes already.

Speaker 1 And he's like, fuck, man, nobody wants to hang out with me because I look all weird.

Speaker 1 But then this happens, and all of a sudden, he's the only guy that can consistently get food it's you know that kind of

Speaker 1 disadvantage turns advantage overnight kind of thing so well those advantage those weird adaptations take place quicker than they thought and a good example that is the Congo you know there's parts of the Congo where there was an amazing BBC documentary about a multiple disc CV C D D V D rather thing that I had back in the day and this Congo documentary one of the things they found was there's a lot lot of plains animals that got trapped in the Congo.

Speaker 1 So, the Congo, because of the change of the climate there, at one point in time, it was plains, so it was grasslands.

Speaker 1 So, you have all these antelope and all these different animals that normally exist in these open, wide areas, but they're jammed into a rainforest now, and they've adapted.

Speaker 1 And one of the animals that adapted is the duiker. So, the duiker is a small antelope that can swim underwater for as much as a hundred yards and eats fish.
Jesus. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow. Okay.
So this thing that lived out in the plains, like all the other little antelopes, now can fucking swim and dives underwater and can swim a hundred yards underwater. That's insane.

Speaker 1 And eats fish. That's insane.
So this weird adaptation that takes place just in the Congo, you know, which is just like incredibly vital environment that so much diversity of life exists in.

Speaker 1 That's weird.

Speaker 1 It's weird, but it's crazy,

Speaker 1 how ubiquitous those things can be. Like, you know, Madagascar and the lemurs.

Speaker 1 Lemurs basically have all these evolutionary niches in Madagascar filled in.

Speaker 1 Like, instead of a woodpecker, there's a lemur with a big-ass fucking finger, and he tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Really? Yeah, if we can look that guy up if you want, Jamie.

Speaker 1 Madagascar's got almost every major evolutionary niche is filled by a lemur.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah, it's a fucking lemur island, man.

Speaker 1 It's just,

Speaker 1 like the different kinds of lemurs on Madagascar are all over the place. It's not every single one, but like woodpeckers.
There's no fucking woodpeckers there.

Speaker 1 The insect-eating birds are not birds, they're lemurs. Whoa.

Speaker 1 The whole island is

Speaker 1 that's it. Look at that.
Look at those fucking claws. How weird.

Speaker 1 That looks fake.

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Speaker 1 Whoa!

Speaker 1 Look at his eyes.

Speaker 1 What a cool-looking creature.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's a lemur. Yeah.
That looks like something from Lord of the Rings. That does not even look like a real creature.
Yeah, it's

Speaker 1 evolution's crazy that way. And

Speaker 1 it's like...

Speaker 1 Whoa, look at that little fucker.

Speaker 1 You get a great example of like...

Speaker 1 like you probably heard them say that like the dinosaurs get wiped out and allowed mammals the opportunity to take over the planet.

Speaker 1 Like otherwise mammals would have just been a bunch of shrews running around in the grass. And

Speaker 1 that exact kind of thing. It's like that lemur ain't going to out-compete woodpeckers, but he don't have to.
So he gets to take off and do his thing. Because there are no woodpeckers there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so something fills that niche. Exactly.
So it's that same kind of thing. We get to see it in, you know, you were talking about the,

Speaker 1 what's that name of that deer thing you were talking about? The diker. Diker.
It's an antelope. Antelope, yes.

Speaker 1 To become an underwater meat eater, that's quite a jump. But there's probably not many alligators down there doing that exact same job.
I mean,

Speaker 1 not many things taking its spot. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been able to find a niche there.
There wouldn't have been no food. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's really interesting.

Speaker 1 There's herds of antelope running through dense rainforest, running through puddles in the water and everything really crazy because they just sort of got trapped there wow wow that's so insane

Speaker 1 it's like the uh the the mountains that they have and the south america where they've got uh basically it's like the same as an island where it's like nothing can go down from a certain elevation so uh like there's a bunch of things that live up in the mountains that are basically evolutionary isolated and have been for 10 000 20 000 years and so you got a bunch of goofy species that are only

Speaker 1 next mountain over they're a little bit different next mountain over they're a little bit different same as the finches that darwin was chasing around in the early days yeah pretty interesting stuff i i i can nerd out on all that shit for a long time i love it but just the sheer variety the sheer variety of life forms that we know are real and what's interesting is like things that are cryptic or you know cryptozoology type deals people are so dismissive of them but i'm like my god there's so much that's real there's so much that's real like one of my favorites is the little hobbit man

Speaker 1 from the island Flores, because that was dismissed forever. That was just nonsense until a couple decades ago.
They're like, oh, hey,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 We just found something. It's like a little tiny person, a little three-foot person that's not us, you know, but it's bipedal, and it seems to have worked with tools and hunted.

Speaker 1 It's funny how skeptical they get with this stuff.

Speaker 1 Where it's not even skeptical, it's cynical. Because, I mean, clearly, we know that island dwarfism exists, which is where things get smaller or bigger on islands, depending, right?

Speaker 1 You might have some big-ass swans and some small elephants on an island. Yeah, lizards get bigger, right? Exactly.
Smaller things tend to get bigger, and bigger things tend to get smaller.

Speaker 1 So if we know that's a thing, then why is it a problem to assume that that would happen with humans or with hominids? Right, we know it happens with elephants. Yeah.
Dwarf elephants on these islands.

Speaker 1 And that's the kind of thing that honestly is almost sounds like religious thinking, not scientific scientific thinking to me. It's like we're better and

Speaker 1 we're immune to all the same forces of nature. It's like a scientist should just be like, okay, man,

Speaker 1 it could be. Yeah, it's just ego.

Speaker 1 It's ego. Ego works with everything in the wrong direction,

Speaker 1 including science. And well, that's, to me, that's...
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Speaker 1 That's kind of

Speaker 1 fucked, because even though I know that those guys, like I was saying earlier, are socially awkward and probably emotionally stunted quite frequently, can't even suss their own feelings.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, it's like science is the whole fucking expedition, the whole undertaking, the whole reason you do it is to see clearly.

Speaker 1 And when trying to get rid of Joe has an opinion, Jamie has an opinion, Dan has an opinion, they're all different. But if we all see the same thing, we can be pretty sure that this is real.

Speaker 1 But if I see it different than you, than Jamie, well, now... Yeah.
And so when they inject their ego heavily into it,

Speaker 1 political quite frequently nowadays,

Speaker 1 it's not fucking science anymore, man. You are defiling the thing that you set out to do.
And you know you're doing it. So I get kind of

Speaker 1 truth. Like truth is the most valuable thing if you're speaking openly about something.
If you're talking about something publicly, truth is the most important thing.

Speaker 1 As soon as you are willing to violate truth to preserve something else, like your status, your ego,

Speaker 1 your place in the hierarchy of information, well, now I can't listen to you anymore because I know you're willing to lie. You're a grifter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and obviously politics is the best example of that.

Speaker 1 I mean, especially today.

Speaker 1 I guess it's probably a good time to talk about this.

Speaker 1 There was a thing that came out recently. There was a book.
There was some book about the Kamala Harris campaign, but they talked about her getting on this show.

Speaker 1 And they said a bunch of things that weren't true. They talked to,

Speaker 1 supposedly talked to like 150 different people about her and what happened with her coming on the show. I don't know if it's 150, a lot of people.
They didn't talk to us,

Speaker 1 which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 They didn't even ask.

Speaker 1 But they said things that just weren't true. One of the things they said that weren't true was that we

Speaker 1 lied about the day that Trump was coming on. No, we just didn't tell you that Trump was coming on.
He was already booked a long time ago. This is how it worked.

Speaker 1 Trump was really easy to book, like super easy. We offered one day.
He said yes. That was it.
There was no, what are we going to talk about? How long is it going to be? Is it going to be edited?

Speaker 1 There was nothing.

Speaker 1 What's the waiver? Here, give me that waiver. Sign it.
It was so easy. So he was already booked.
They never committed to doing the show.

Speaker 1 So all this talk, there was another thing they said that the reason why they did the Beyoncé thing, the Beyoncé event in Houston, was so that they could be in Texas to do my show.

Speaker 1 They never agreed to do the show. None of that's true.
They never agreed. That's fucked.
They also said that they sent someone down here to the studio to do a walkthrough of the set. That's not true.

Speaker 1 The Trump administration did.

Speaker 1 I mean, if they are trying to say that they, as in the entire federal government, well, I don't think the Trump administration, well, I guess the Secret Service is a part of the federal government.

Speaker 1 Maybe you can kind of get away with saying that because the Secret Service came down here for Trump and looked around, that we sent someone down, but it was not.

Speaker 1 It was the Trump administration that sent them down because they're the only ones that had a date to do the show. These people didn't have a date to do.
They never agreed to do the show.

Speaker 1 This is really important.

Speaker 1 Even after Trump went on, they offered for me to come to DC and do a show with Kamala. But even then, it was the same deal.
It was only like 45 minutes to an hour. And, you know, it was not on my set.

Speaker 1 And I said that, look, he did it here. We should probably do it here.
Like, if it's possible to do it here. Obviously, when he did it, it had an enormous result.

Speaker 1 I'm willing to do the same thing for her. I wanted to release both of them on the same day.
This was my goal. I was even trying to figure out if there was a way that I could do it.

Speaker 1 And I even offered to do it late that night. So the night that Trump came on, I'm like, what if we do her, like when she's done in Texas, if she came here, but no one ever committed to doing it.

Speaker 1 This is like really important because they keep pretending that I lied or I did this or I did that. No one, they never committed to doing it.
We offered, we went through, I've got a whole,

Speaker 1 we have all the receipts, by the way. Of course.
I have a whole list of conversations that took place. They never said she was going to do it.

Speaker 1 So this whole idea that we fucked her over and then we fucked her over for Trump, incorrect. Just not true.

Speaker 1 But I think it's someone trying to cover their ass for the fact that she never did it and if she did do it, it might have had a positive effect. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If her and I had a good time and we got along great and she won over the air quote young male vote, things could have been different. Who knows? So this guy's probably trying to cover his ass.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm thinking too is because the reaction to her not coming was like pretty big.

Speaker 1 But they didn't commit to doing it. This is the thing while this guy's saying like that we we were difficult to deal with.
Not true. We were super easy.
We made it real clear. But

Speaker 1 also, it's got to be the actual real show. It shouldn't be some fake version of it where I'm sitting in a conference room.
Oh, also, they wanted a stenographer in the room.

Speaker 1 They wanted staff in the room.

Speaker 1 Trump was just in here by himself.

Speaker 1 Just me, him, and Jamie. That's it.
For three hours. Like, they wanted to do everything.
They wanted it very controlled, and they were really concerned that it wasn't going to be edited.

Speaker 1 So I don't think they ever really were sure they wanted to do it. Then once Trump did it and it had this huge response, I think then it was like, what the fuck? What are we doing? He just did it.

Speaker 1 It's got 50 fucking million views. This is so stupid.
Why didn't we do it? And so then there was even then when they offered to do it in DC, my manager asked, is she committed to doing this?

Speaker 1 If I bring this to Joe, no. She hasn't committed to doing this.
Have you brought this to her? Like, they wouldn't even say whether or not she had

Speaker 1 expressed willingness to do it or whether they were trying to convince her to do it.

Speaker 1 We know for sure there were some people that were supposedly on her staff that were against her doing it. They thought it was bad, because, you know, it was a bunch of woaxers.

Speaker 1 They're basically in a cult.

Speaker 1 You have a distributed, look, if you're willing to go on Fox News,

Speaker 1 you talk to, what's that guy's name, Brett Breyer? Yeah. Where they cut that off after 20 minutes.
When they did that, that's when I was like, look, it's got to be in the studio.

Speaker 1 It's got to be in the studio and it's got to be real. It's got to be a real conversation.
I had entertained a couple of times going to her, but I was like,

Speaker 1 45 minutes is just not enough. You know, you and I have been talking an hour and a half already.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's just like it's not enough time. You need more time.

Speaker 1 You need more time to find out what makes someone tick. And that's

Speaker 1 probably what she was afraid of. Probably what they were afraid of.
Maybe not her. Maybe they should have been.
I think we would have had a good old time. No, you're a good guy.

Speaker 1 I think we would have had fun.

Speaker 1 I think it was a huge,

Speaker 1 huge mistake on her part.

Speaker 1 And let's be honest, like, it's the kind of thing that it's reminiscent of the forget the congressman that asked mark zuckerberg how how facebook makes money it's just like they're so you're so detached from the modern world it's like you you could spend millions of dollars on all your ad campaign all across youtube or you could just go sit in the room with joe for three hours and i'll tell you which one's going to do better for you lady but she picked the ad campaigns on youtube the problem is that i think that the people that saw it as a they thought they were going to win anyway apparently and the people that saw it as a negative thought, like, there's been a few blunders where things didn't go well.

Speaker 1 But I think a lot of those blunders are... I was listening to this woman on the Tucker Carlson show, and she was talking about what Biden was like during the presidency.

Speaker 1 And one of the things that she said I thought that was very interesting was that there's many people that have worked with Biden that said there were moments in his first couple of years where he was very lucid and that he would be actually running the meetings and he had talking points that were written down, but he was having these lucid conversations.

Speaker 1 And then he would do these public things and he would have blunders. I think a lot of it is just the pressure of performing publicly under intense scrutiny.

Speaker 1 Like if you have to do a live set, like say if you have to do Saturday Night Live or something like that, and you're going to do a monologue, the pressure of doing that monologue is so much different than the pressure of just going up at a local comedy club.

Speaker 1 It's insane.

Speaker 1 And I think that pressure, Joe Biden, as much as, you know, I'm sure sure he has a high self-opinion, clearly, when he is confronted by the reality that half the country hates him and thinks he's doing a terrible job, and then he has to talk publicly live, then I think those cognitive problems were sort of elevated.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. I think that's the same with her.
So I think that's the same with her when she's on Fox with Brett Breyer. I think it's hostile environments.
I think it's large crowds.

Speaker 1 I think it's a lot of things where you don't get to see the real person. So that was my goal.
My goal was to try to meet the real person.

Speaker 1 Just like I did with Trump, just try to meet and talk with the real person.

Speaker 1 And my goal was, what I really wanted to do, we talked about this quite a bit, me and my manager, of doing it on the same day. And my manager, she agreed.

Speaker 1 She's like, this would be the perfect way to set it up. Like, we both agree, put them both out at the same time.
You know, go watch them all. See what you think.

Speaker 1 That would be the ultimate way to do it. But

Speaker 1 they never agreed to do it. So all this shit that's in that book that they never talked to us, just not true.
Maybe it's someone's trying to preserve their job.

Speaker 1 Maybe someone's trying to say, hey, it wasn't my fault. You know, they became difficult.
No, we didn't become difficult.

Speaker 1 The other thing was like they wanted to do it that Saturday, the day after Trump. And I said, I'll do it, but it has to be at 8.30 a.m.

Speaker 1 The reason why was I had a podcast already scheduled that was a live UFC podcast. So we do this thing called Fight Companion.

Speaker 1 So there was this title fight that was happening in, I think, was it Saudi Arabia? Or was it it Dubai or Abu Dhabi? It was somewhere in the Middle East, I believe, if I remember correctly.

Speaker 1 See if you can find out what that was. Just so just we're clear.
I have friends, I flew in three of my buddies from California, and we were all going to do this podcast together.

Speaker 1 Like, we had committed to doing this. Like, they were already in town.
Like, I can't just say, no, guys, I can't do this awesome thing because I have to interview Kamala Harris. No, I understand.

Speaker 1 Seems like I should to some people, but that's because you're in the politics business. I'm an MMA commentator.
This is part of my job. And I said I would do it.

Speaker 1 I said I'll do it, but it has to be like 8.30 in the morning because I have to be done by the time the fights start. That's reasonable.
They didn't do that either.

Speaker 1 So this idea that I sabotaged her, there's a bunch of people that say I fucked her over or whatever.

Speaker 1 That's not true. So you can think whatever you want, but it was Abu Dhabi.
So that was Ilya Toporia versus Max Holloway.

Speaker 1 So for UFC fans, just so you know, for people listening that aren't UFC fans, that was a huge fight. That was a gigantic fight.

Speaker 1 Max Holloway just beat Justin Gaitchian, like literally the knockout of all time.

Speaker 1 And Ilya Taporia is one of the absolute best fighters on planet Earth, if not number one pound for pound, certainly number two

Speaker 1 or number three. So he's in the top five of the absolute best athletes in any weight class.

Speaker 1 So this was a clash of the Titans, the greatest featherweight champion of all time versus the current featherweight champion. So I'm not going to miss that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's me. I understand.
I work around you. I said I would do it at night.
I'll come back. I'll do it at midnight.
I don't give a fuck. I'll do it.
So it wasn't me fucking someone over.

Speaker 1 And so just whoever's in charge of spreading that narrative, that's deceptive. Yeah.
And she missed out, man. She could have sat in the same chair that Shane Gillis sat in, right? Yes.

Speaker 1 No, he sits in that one. That's

Speaker 1 stained. Or it could have been a wreck.
But it could have been a wreck with Trump, too.

Speaker 1 You know, like there was a moment where me and Trump were, I was saying, tell me how the 2020 election was stolen.

Speaker 1 Like, and I feel like if you're, for the last four years, have been telling everybody that they robbed you, you should be able to tell people how you know they robbed you, and you should be able to say it.

Speaker 1 Articulate it, yeah. Yes.
Clearly. Clearly.
I don't, I don't, so I don't know what that's about. I don't know if he has other people that tell him that and he's compartmentalized.

Speaker 1 Like, look, you, hey, Rudy Giuliani, you deal with that. I got other shit to deal with.

Speaker 1 I'm going gonna deal with this you tell me they robbed me i'm gonna say they robbed me that could be it i don't know i don't know but so that could have gone sideways but it didn't yeah it didn't it goes back to that how you disagree with people thing yeah you know you don't have to be an asshole about it right you should be able to communicate with people in a way that it's just about what you're talking about it's not a it's a shitty tactic to try to break a person down as a human being because you want to enforce your argument or say their argument sucks because they suck as a human being too like come on,

Speaker 1 we're big grown-ups here. We can just talk about the actual ideas.

Speaker 1 Maybe we actually get to where we're trying to get to, right? We're trying to figure out the other side of this.

Speaker 1 Seems kind of cut and dry, but a lot of people miss that. The egos are.
The ego is a powerful fucking thing, man. It really is.
And

Speaker 1 I'm glad we took that little side trip because I had to explain that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 the thing is, that... That little monster rears its ugly head in everything.
It doesn't just rear its ugly head in politics.

Speaker 1 It rears its ugly head in archaeology, in religion, in culture, in everything we do.

Speaker 1 It just, it's a lot of it is, I have said this for so long, I don't want to ever say I was wrong. And I will somehow or another derail any arguments against me.
I will call those people racist.

Speaker 1 I will call those people.

Speaker 1 I was watching one of your videos where there's this person who listened to what Flint Dibble said about Graham Hancock and Atlantis and connecting Atlantis to white supremacy.

Speaker 1 And she made the most distorted statement that saying that people of color were not capable, that this is the argument of the people that support Atlantis, people of color were not capable of that sort of civilization, which literally no one has ever said.

Speaker 1 Because everybody, especially the people that believe that that area of sub-Saharan Africa, the Reichschart. Reichshat, yeah.
Reichschott?

Speaker 1 I think it's Reishat. Reichshat structure.
That that is that that is Egypt, or that is rather Atlantis. That is literally in Africa.
So who the fuck do you think built it?

Speaker 1 Like if you're talking about the pyramids, no one is saying Europeans came to Africa and built the pyramids. The Africans built the pyramids.
So

Speaker 1 none of this white supremacy thing makes any sense. Because all these people are saying was, I think that this city in Africa was Atlantis.

Speaker 1 I think, which

Speaker 1 if you're going to find an ancient civilization that is super advanced,

Speaker 1 wouldn't you think maybe it would be in an area around where there's fucking for sure ancient advanced civilizations that made pyramids? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a no-brainer.

Speaker 1 It's kind of a no-brainer.

Speaker 1 What they do, this is where Flint is especially insidious. You know, I got along well with Flint and a bunch of other archaeologists for a long time.

Speaker 1 But I made a video that went into the details of how Ignatius Donnelly was not the guy who founded modern-day Atlantis hunting.

Speaker 1 And he did believe in some kind of Aryan first things, and it was, he didn't, he believed that other races weren't capable of innovating.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's just one douchebag. He was popular.
But the thing is, is people that came before, they tried to make it out like the guy.

Speaker 1 And the guys that came before him both believed the Maya were the, they founded, one of them believed the Maya fucking whooped the ass all the way over into Indian shit.

Speaker 1 He believed that the Maya were the Egyptians. What? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Augustus Le Plagnon is the one that believed the Maya whooped ass all over the world, and the other one was...

Speaker 1 Were the Maya supposedly seafaring? No.

Speaker 1 This is his

Speaker 1 one called Charles Étienne de Brazier de Borgo. These are the two guys that they were the first ones to find like that chalk mule statue with the weird and the heart and the plate.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It looks Egyptian. They were the ones that started seeing, they're the first ones to see the similarities between these things.

Speaker 1 And so they believed that, you know, ancient Egypt is this technologically superior place. And here we've seen the same thing here with similar iconography.

Speaker 1 So I made a video explaining that this is the SAA, that the letter that the Society for American Archaeology wrote to Netflix to call Graham Hancock a racist, basically, not call him a racist, fuck you guys,

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 It was wrong. It was erroneous.
It contained false information. And I pointed that out, and eventually Flint addressed it, and his argument was, well, it doesn't really matter.
It's not a big deal.

Speaker 1 We use the word comet and Graham talks about a comet and this other guy didn't. And it doesn't really matter because so many white supremacists believe this shit anyway.

Speaker 1 And it was just like at that point, I was kind of like, okay, this isn't science anymore.

Speaker 1 And then I watched him do that waffle and bullshit here where he did it with Grant when you were pushing him on it. And he's like, no, I didn't say that.
Well, yeah, I said that.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I didn't say that. And I was just like, all right, dude, no, I'm going to drag you for this.

Speaker 1 There's too many people that are used to being in a position of authority where they're never questioned like that.

Speaker 1 And they can say that in front of a class or they can say that in front of colleagues and nobody pushes back. And then there's also this problem with leftist ideology where

Speaker 1 if someone, if there is some sort of a history at any point in time of white supremacy, like that Ignatius Donnelly guy, like you have to connect even everything

Speaker 1 attached to the theories of this advanced city, this advanced lost civilization, you have to attach it to white supremacy, or you are a racist, or you are enabling, or you're a dog whistling, which is my favorite.

Speaker 1 Dog whistling is my...

Speaker 1 It's insane. I hear racism.
I hear racism.

Speaker 1 God, I'm a good lynching.

Speaker 1 It's so dumb because, listen,

Speaker 1 if you have a place like Egypt, That's way crazier than Atlantis. You already have a place that's fucking insane.
Yes. That's way crazier.

Speaker 1 Because whatever Atlantis had, it didn't survive whatever that

Speaker 1 if that Reichart structure, if that's really where it is and it was impacted by the great flood, by the end of the Younger Triass, the impact theory, the water from all the polar caps rushes through and destroys everything and giant tsunamis everywhere because of the global cataclysm.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, it wasn't as good. Because if that's the pyramids are still standing, so that all that shit happened at the same time the pyramids, too.

Speaker 1 so that what you're saying, if you really believe all that, is that the pyramids were way more advanced than Atlantis. And believing in Atlantis is crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Help me out.

Speaker 1 And it's white supremacy, even though it's in the same part of the fucking world.

Speaker 1 Help me out. Yeah, it's always, always circle.

Speaker 1 Basically, no matter what, they're always going to find a way to not just

Speaker 1 dismiss it. They're going to poo-poo it.

Speaker 1 That's not an underwater mug. That doesn't look like a a tool to me.

Speaker 1 It's just this poo-poo attitude that really,

Speaker 1 it does them a huge disservice because

Speaker 1 ultimately, the most interested amateurs on the planet would be us, pyramidiots, guys that are into that kind of goofy shit. We're the most interested, just like Carl Sagan knew his audience.

Speaker 1 The most interested people in space were the UFO crowd. The most interested people in archaeology are not archaeology students.
That's their nine to five.

Speaker 1 I'm the one that's reading the shit at two o'clock in the morning with the beer in my hand. I love this shit.
But I don't want to. You're going to bore me if you talk about stratigraphy.

Speaker 1 We're going to want a story. We're going to want

Speaker 1 to want something exciting. A mystery.
Yeah, to dig into it. So when they literally deliberately piss on the mystery, it's just like, oh, there's nothing to see here.
Nothing to see here.

Speaker 1 Nothing to see here. Nothing to see.
Let me tell you about stratigraphy. Nothing to see here.
That's why I talk about Carl Sagan all the time. He might have laughed in their face,

Speaker 1 but he never told them nothing to see here. Well, you know why? Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed.
He did. He smoked a lot of weed.
That's very uncomfortable for a lot of people that don't like weed.

Speaker 1 Oh, it makes you lazy. Nope, you were already lazy.
Yeah. Weed just got there while you were lazy.
It has nothing to do with weed. Stop it.
You know, it's true. I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 A lot of people like to blame things for, blame, say that drugs are all just bad, but I forget the dude's name

Speaker 1 that, like, was the guy that discerned the DNA, like the human DNA.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Kerry Mullis. Did it well on LSD.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like

Speaker 1 cracked the code on LSD or whatever. I mean, that shit's, you know,

Speaker 1 it's part of our brains, man. It's there.

Speaker 1 And as a tribe. I think there's some controversy about the Francis Crick thing, though, right? Isn't there a controversy about whether Francis Crick was on.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure Kerry Mullis was open when he was talking about

Speaker 1 the PCR method that he devised when he was on ACID.

Speaker 1 Which is

Speaker 1 also,

Speaker 1 he was a huge critic of using that stuff for detecting diseases. He's like, this is so fucking stupid.
Like, you don't know, like, he was so angry.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen that video where he's angry about Anthony Fauci saying he does not know what he's doing? He's not a scientist. He's a bureaucrat.

Speaker 1 See if you can find that video because it's fascinating. Because he's literally talking about, this is pre-COVID, by the way.

Speaker 1 Because he died right or right before COVID happened. But he was talking about how PCR should never be used to detect diseases because you could find these tiny fragments.

Speaker 1 of a disease, but it doesn't even mean that someone's infected, especially when you're ramping it up to X amount of cycles.

Speaker 1 Like they had so many cycles, you had so many false positives that maybe someone had encountered this thing at one point in time, but it was dormant in their body and dead, but yet you're still,

Speaker 1 you're looking at such minute particles that you can't use it to detect whether or not someone's sick. And that's what we're using during the pandemic to detect whether or not.

Speaker 1 So you got so many false positives. You know, some estimates were higher than 50% false positives.
That's insane. Insane.
See, you find Kerry Mullis on Anthony Fauci.

Speaker 1 He's like sitting at a desk at his kitchen table. Or he's sitting at his kitchen table with a guy he's talking to.
And he's just breaking down the difference between the actual science.

Speaker 1 Have you found it? It's only a preview of the video on.

Speaker 1 I know it's available. I've seen it.
I'm just looking.

Speaker 1 Timing. I'm stuck in the

Speaker 1 preview site, and I've got to find another one.

Speaker 1 I'm finding it. Okay, you'll find it, I'm sure.
So I've got to double check and make sure to see if this is not what you wanted. But that's it right there.
Second one down. It's 10 seconds.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? It says Russia. I'm not going there.
It says Russia?

Speaker 1 Yandex.ru. Oh, you're going to get a fucking virus instantaneously.
There it is. Change your computer to Russian script first.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's it.

Speaker 1 So this is Carrie Millis, won a Nobel Prize for his PCR technique while

Speaker 1 employed by Emeryville biotech firm City.

Speaker 1 humanity that

Speaker 2 wants to go to all the details and stuff and listen to, you know, these guys like Fauci get up there and start talking, you know, he doesn't know anything really about anything, and I'd say that to his face.

Speaker 1 Nothing.

Speaker 2 The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope, and if it's got a virus in there, you'll know it.

Speaker 2 He doesn't understand electron microscopy, and he doesn't understand medicine, and he should not be in a position like he's in.

Speaker 2 Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people, and they don't know anything about what's going on on the bottom.

Speaker 2 You know, those guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They've got a personal kind of agenda.

Speaker 2 They make up their own rules as they go.

Speaker 2 They change them when they want to, and they smugly, like Tony Fauci does not mind going on television in front of the people that pay his salary and lie directly into the camera.

Speaker 2 You can't expect the sheep.

Speaker 1 What is it? Yeah, so this was pre-pandemic. Yeah, 96, it says.
It's brutal. Yeah, so what he's talking about, I think back then, was also the AIDS crisis, which that's a whole nother ball of wax.

Speaker 1 And if you want to get into that at another time, folks, just please go read Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci. It's incredible.

Speaker 1 But so this is another thing. This is more gatekeeping.
It's the same kind of thing. This may be in a different way, maybe not to protect the ego, but to protect money.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 One of the things with COVID COVID that always always tickles me on that is the way that

Speaker 1 they threw the, I feel, to me, I feel like they threw the red herring of a mask at us.

Speaker 1 I feel like the mask was a bullfighter's cape. I feel like you've only got so many hours in a day, you got to pick your battles, and you've got...
The mask is an easy symbol.

Speaker 1 Everybody can complain about it because it affects everybody. It's an easy touchstone.
You can see it.

Speaker 1 But while everybody's fighting that, that really is effectively. You just have to fucking wear a hat for a few months or a few years.
They're closing down our stores and taking the kid.

Speaker 1 I got two more years of wrestling. Yeah, fuck you.
You're not ever going to make state fuck you. You just lost.
That's the people. That's the stuff that was getting lost.

Speaker 1 The masks, I'll wear fucking masks over my face today if it'll bring back white elephant and shit. There's also no logical explanation.

Speaker 1 If the vaccine worked, give it to the people that are vulnerable, let everybody else live their life. That makes the most sense.
But they couldn't do that.

Speaker 1 They had to pretend that the other people were vulnerable. They had to pretend that children were dying of it.
They talked about it all the time. No healthy children died of it.
It's not true.

Speaker 1 They tried to pretend that it was really dangerous for young people. It wasn't, unless they were already really sick.

Speaker 1 What it exposed in this country is that there are a lot of people that are completely full of shit that are in charge of telling us what the truth is.

Speaker 1 And that also we're really vulnerable in terms of our health. Our health is very vulnerable.
Our economy is very vulnerable. We can't just shut the country down for a year and a half.

Speaker 1 It doesn't work like that. We're vulnerable.
It destroyed a lot of businesses, destroyed people's lives, caused so many people to become drug addicts, so many people to commit suicide.

Speaker 1 There's a loss of life and a loss of hope, and who knows what it's going to do to these young children that had to wear masks when they're in preschool. Who knows what the fuck that does to you?

Speaker 1 Learning how to talk with a mask on. You're not reading mouths and lips and you're not getting a full facial feature to read off like children need for their development.

Speaker 1 We've found out that there's a lot of people that just aren't telling you the fucking truth.

Speaker 1 And the crazy thing is, they were doing it in the age of the internet because they had been used to doing it for so long.

Speaker 1 They didn't develop the thing that people have now. Like now,

Speaker 1 especially someone like you or I who does stuff on YouTube, you know that if you say something and it's not true, you got to go back and say, hey, this is what I thought. This is why I thought it.

Speaker 1 But now I know that this isn't true. Because if you don't do that, no one's ever going to fucking trust you again.
Anthony Fauci in the beginning of the pandemic, like, don't wear a mask.

Speaker 1 It doesn't do anything. It's just if anything, it's you're gonna smutz with it.
And then later, he's saying, wear a mask. I wear two.
I wear two masks. Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 We have video, man. This is this is a different time.
This is in 1986.

Speaker 1 You can't just go and tell us some shit, and we don't know whether or not you said something completely contrary to that just a month ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that might be part of why Kamala was so worried about the unedited thing.

Speaker 1 You know, when Hillary fainted a few election cycles ago, that video would have never made the news in the 90s. It just got bought.
Right. But fucking before they,

Speaker 1 nobody knew it existed before it was posted. It was just like the dude.
And bam. And now the internet has it and it's too fucking late.
So

Speaker 1 I think the real thing that did her in was call me.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I think the investigation into the emails, I think that, like in the middle of the...
That was brutal. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 What I'm getting at is that I think that that's, especially for an older politician, somebody like Biden,

Speaker 1 how many decades of his life was he able to buy any video footage that was going to cause him any problems? He just fucking squashed that. Two or three, and now it's like

Speaker 1 nothing. You slip and fall.
You're going viral, buddy. Ain't no damn thing you could do about it.
Also, who's letting him walk up that fucking stair without having a catcher behind him? Come on.

Speaker 1 I would have some giant dudes, big old fucking lineman.

Speaker 1 Because if he's going down the stairs and you got slippery shoes on, that's a fucking precarious catch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, you got a 180-pound man who stumbles and he falls backwards, like, yay, yo, this is, that's the fucking president. Don't just let him walk up that thing on his own with slippery shoes on.

Speaker 1 After he fell the third time, why did they let him keep doing that? I think maybe it was some of Gerald Ford's family was hoping he'd break the record.

Speaker 1 People don't know. Giving away our age here.
Yeah, fucking chips.

Speaker 1 Boy, that's old.

Speaker 1 Next, you got to do a Nixon impression. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm not a crook.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's,

Speaker 1 it's all, the whole thing was very eye-opening, I think. And I think that also led to Trump, you know, destroying in the election.
That's, that probably has a lot to do with it.

Speaker 1 I mentioned before, like, they closed that white elephant store, but like they closed so many bars in the town. Like, I was thrilled that my, my favorite bar, Mootsi's, is still around.

Speaker 1 But they had a closed sign on it when apparently like the plumbing above it leaked. And I thought they were gone too because it was closed down for them to fix that in the middle of COVID.

Speaker 1 And it was just like, god damn it. It's like we lost so many things in that town that were just little mom and pop outfits and just comes in and gets replaced with like Target.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And like you come to a city like this and you still got little shops that do well, little cafes and whatnot. But I live out in.

Speaker 1 I live in a city, but I'm around it's a bunch of farm country. And there's like the place in Davenport that had these great milkshakes.
You can't can't fucking go there no more. They're closed.

Speaker 1 They're gone. And it's a bunch of places like that.
They've been around for generations. And it didn't have to happen that way.

Speaker 1 And if you want to be real cynical, the people that are the real progressive leftists, that you should be cynical about that because it was the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the United States.

Speaker 1 The lower class, lower and middle class lost $3.9 billion.

Speaker 1 or trillion? Was it trillion? What was the transfer? It might have been trillion. I think it was like $3.9 $3.9 trillion

Speaker 1 over the course of the pandemic. And then that money was transferred to the wealthiest people who gained that money.
How? What happened? Stocks, mutual funds?

Speaker 1 What magic are you doing? You basically stole money.

Speaker 1 Like, something happened, and through your policies, you enabled the wealthiest people to get way wealthier and the poorer people to get way poorer.

Speaker 1 It's like $3.9 trillion. Is that correct?

Speaker 1 The transfer of wealth. No, I'm looking at an article from 2022.
I didn't see anything newer. Yeah, it's a newer one.

Speaker 1 They were talking about it really recently. They were talking about

Speaker 1 mirrors.

Speaker 1 $3 trillion, something in there. $2 trillion.
I see.

Speaker 1 What year is that? $3.2 trillion. There you go.

Speaker 1 No, that's a six-expected pass.

Speaker 1 So either way.

Speaker 1 Let's be conservative and say it's $3 trillion.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy amount of money that gets transferred, and no one is freaked out that this was by policies, and this is by keeping everybody's business shut down.

Speaker 1 You could basically just take over because people still need to buy stuff. And then these big companies that people have stock in,

Speaker 1 the stock goes way up and then everybody gets wealthier. This is kind of nuts.
Well, that the progressives aren't outraged that in this idea that it was protecting your health. But how, are you sure?

Speaker 1 Did you look at the data? Because it doesn't seem like it was. Over several decades, this says it was 50 trillion.

Speaker 1 This was from during the pandemic, though.

Speaker 1 Jesus. That's insane.
50 trillion from the bottom 90%. And that's made the the U.S.
less secure. Yeah, for fucking, for sure it does.
But the problem is, yachts aren't cheap, bro.

Speaker 1 No, no, they're not.

Speaker 1 I'm not looking at them yet, but maybe next week. You want to put in an order for one of them supersonic jets? You've got to have some chatter.
Might be time to take over a small country.

Speaker 1 Or two, yeah. Or two, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's pretty wild.

Speaker 1 The things that were lost during COVID were, in my mind, one of the biggest things was the trust in the scientific community

Speaker 1 that they're being honest. And again, I like science.
I like science a lot.

Speaker 1 And I don't, I think that just like most activists and most anything, like when you look online and you see a transgender person is making a complete ass of themselves, that's, generally speaking, not indicative of the way transgender people are, even on the fucking internet, man.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, you wouldn't be seeing that person, right?

Speaker 1 With everything. With everything.
With cops, with teachers.

Speaker 1 You see some crazy teacher saying nutty things in front of the class. It's a small percentage, a tiny.
yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem, but it's not all teachers.

Speaker 1 No, but when but when it's science, the the deal is is that science fact checks itself. Like these guys all throw rocks at each other.

Speaker 1 They write a paper and other guys are di trying to rip it apart and prove them wrong. And okay.

Speaker 1 So in that environment,

Speaker 1 it requires an acceptance for this kind of shit to fly.

Speaker 1 For them to be able to repeatedly lie in peer-reviewed journals requires their peers to not review the fucking papers. That's really the only only way that can happen.
And that happens so much.

Speaker 1 Like, it's

Speaker 1 it's still the media. The Clovis first thing.
The Clovis first thing, which was another thing that Flint pushed back against.

Speaker 1 But obviously there's a lot of receipts. Like that guy almost lost his career, was shunned by science, and he was right.

Speaker 1 And mainstream archaeologists tore that guy apart with personal attacks. They tried to destroy his reputation, destroy his career, because they didn't want to be proven wrong.

Speaker 1 Tom Dillahay was the guy who explain the whole thing to people so

Speaker 1 they don't know. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Clovis first is the theory that the first peopleing, the first people in the Americas came over the Bering Land Bridge like 14,000, 15,000 years ago, and they used the Clovis points, and this was the first American humans.

Speaker 1 Before that, there was no people here. Now they started finding sites that were 30,000 years old, 25,000 years old, and it started fucking with that narrative.

Speaker 1 And archaeologists were, for the most part, pushing heavily against it. There were a few scientists that would make the finds and that they would fight for them.
Now, one

Speaker 1 eventually it's been overturned. Now, the Clovis First is not the narrative anymore.
They're not really sure exactly who got here first.

Speaker 1 They know the Bering Land Bridge was part of it, but they also think there was some people from the probably from the ocean and South America. And who knows for sure? It's up in the air.

Speaker 1 They're not so certain anymore. But the Clovis First

Speaker 1 debate

Speaker 1 was so bad that the guy that won it, basically, a site in Chile called Monte Verde was the site that eventually he had a bunch of people there.

Speaker 1 They looked at the site and when they left, they were convinced that

Speaker 1 that was the end of the debate for all intents and purposes. There's still a few holdouts.
How old was Monte Verde estimated to be? 30,000 years, I think, 27,000?

Speaker 1 Right in there.

Speaker 1 The guy that discovered that site and was excavating it, Tom Dillahay, was living in Chile under the time that Pinochet was in charge of Chile.

Speaker 1 One of his colleagues, and there's video of this, I use this clip frequently, one of his colleagues

Speaker 1 called the state newspaper and said Monte Verde is a CIA-planted site in order to get him down into Chile. His wife and kids are there.

Speaker 1 They fucking threatened his life.

Speaker 1 This is the archaeologist version of swatting. Whoa.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 the video is all over.

Speaker 1 I use this clip frequently.

Speaker 1 They basically threatened his life straight up. He got letters to people saying that he wasn't a real scientist, that he didn't.
Is this Dillahay explaining this? Yeah, Tom Dillahay explaining this.

Speaker 1 If Jamie could find it, what would the villa video be talking about?

Speaker 1 If you have to go on Google, Tom Dillahay interview will probably do it. D-I-L-L-E-H-A-Y.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I should have had that one pegged because I use this clip, I probably use it ten times.

Speaker 1 It's not one of those.

Speaker 1 Maybe put uh archaeology with it

Speaker 1 because he's talking to another archaeologist

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 dang it

Speaker 1 sorry

Speaker 1 challenging clovis first

Speaker 1 here uh will

Speaker 1 archaeologists threaten archaeologists threaten one of their own over clovis first is that no it's it's on a uh

Speaker 1 yeah there's me yeah that would actually have okay play that though that has archaeologist tom de lahaye was instrumental in in overturning Clovis I with his excavations at Monte Verde, but this caused him to have his life threatened by his own colleagues.

Speaker 1 His excavations were done in Chile during the reign of the ruthless dictator Pinochet.

Speaker 1 Clovis I was hotly debated amongst archaeologists at the time, and one of them decided to use Pinochet as a means to silence Tom.

Speaker 1 Moved down to Chile during the dictatorship years of Pinochet, so I was opening up anthropology department, so politically it was difficult at that time.

Speaker 1 And another colleague who sent a letter to the newspaper in Chile,

Speaker 1 one of the major newspapers, saying that Monte Berry was creation of the CIA to implant me down there.

Speaker 1 And, you know, that puts you and your family in a dangerous situation in a country like that at that time. Seems to me like the archaeologist version of swatting someone.

Speaker 1 There's a small minority of people who will do anything in their power to defend their paradigm. Yeah.
That's it. That's fucking wild.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 What if that guy got murdered? Would they be happy?

Speaker 1 If they took him and publicly executed him because they said he was a CIA spy? I'd like to say no, but I mean. Would they be happy? That's such a psychotic thing to do to someone just because.

Speaker 1 But, you know, these people, like everything

Speaker 1 that they identify as is the expert in this particular field. And they'll try to pretend.
Flint tried to pretend that that was no big deal. That was a one-off.

Speaker 1 You know, scientific debates happen, and a lot of guys will say, oh, yeah, that, that Clovis first, it was bad, but we don't usually do that.

Speaker 1 Before Clovis first, there was the Folsom first debate, the idea that the Folsom people were the first ones here.

Speaker 1 And if you found anything older than, I think, 7,000 years or 3,000 years, whatever it was, anything older than a Folsom culture thing. It was bullshit.
You couldn't have a feel.

Speaker 1 It's on Wikipedia still. You could read about there's a couple of guys that basically formed a guard and didn't let anything get past that point until eventually the Clovis first thing.

Speaker 1 It's not the first time. This is standard operating procedure.
Created Paradigm, defend it with life and death. There's a guy named

Speaker 1 Max Planck. He was a Nobel Prize-winning physicist.
And he has Planck's principle it's known as, and it is science does not progress one discovery at a time. It progresses one funeral at a time.

Speaker 1 And this is a Nobel Prize-wizzing physicist that said that, not Graham Hancock. So it's fucking pretty hefty to think about that.
That's just people are people, man.

Speaker 1 Put us on the moon, you're going to have people on the moon. Same fucking problem.
Same fucking problems. People on Mars.
Someone's going to make a sex cult on Mars. It'll be pretty cool.

Speaker 1 The first people will be like, look, I'm the fucking king of Mars, bitch. I'm running it now.

Speaker 1 It's just humans.

Speaker 1 And unfortunately, even humans that are attached to what we think of as these egoless pursuits like science. Yeah.
That's the ego ego fucks up even science. But that's where,

Speaker 1 that's where it does frustrate me because if you take that job, it's like, okay, anytime if me and you get in a fight, it's going to be, you know, it's aggressive and you like, you get worked up and you get emotional.

Speaker 1 But if you become a cop, I expect you to fucking know that and roll that shit back. Right.

Speaker 1 And it's the same thing with the scientists. I expect you to recognize that and roll that shit back.
Yeah, roll that shit back. That's your job.
Your job is to tell us what the truth is.

Speaker 1 And if you lie, it doesn't mean that all that truth that you told in the past is now accurate. It just means you suck.
That's all it means.

Speaker 1 So if you're a really good scientist, you say, this is what we thought. This is what we know now.
And this is really amazing. And so I was wrong.
All these books that I wrote, stop buying them, folks.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to write a new book. They don't ever want to say that.
They never want to think that those lectures that they taught, that those were inaccurate and that their whole life...

Speaker 1 They would be a mockery. They really would, because those scientists are fucking vicious.
They're so vicious after each other.

Speaker 1 They attack each other because they all want to be the fucking smartest guy in the room. And when anybody, oh, Mike, Mike's a fucking moron.
Mike thinks it.

Speaker 1 You heard him talk about Fauci, the way Kerry Mullis talked about. That's how they talk about each other.
That's exactly what I think. He doesn't know anything.
I'd say it right to his face.

Speaker 1 It's just natural human aggression that's transferred into this field that we think of as purely academic.

Speaker 1 And quite frequently these people are, like I said earlier, a little emotionally off, a little socially shared and

Speaker 1 bullied their whole life. Now, all of a sudden, they get to be the bully, which is one of the things that does happen.
It's the revenge of the nerds. It really is.

Speaker 1 You're right. That's what revenge of the nerds is.
It is. It's like, finally, we get our turn to be mean.

Speaker 1 Didn't we not learn anything? This is how wars get started, people.

Speaker 1 This is how people wind up killing people because you other the other. By the way, when I drew the parallel about us fighting, I don't want a picture of me next to Shane Gillis.

Speaker 1 Thank you very much. I'm good.

Speaker 1 Don't need that.

Speaker 1 The whole idea of

Speaker 1 the truth is what we all should be pursuing.

Speaker 1 And it's just really unfortunate that people are attached to these things that they've said for so long, so much that they're willing to go out of their way to prove someone inaccurate when they are accurate.

Speaker 1 And the Clovis First thing is one of the better examples of that.

Speaker 1 And now that there's irrefutable evidence, like the footprints that they found in New Mexico that have seeds in them that are 22 plus thousand years old. Salesands, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, it's out the window now.

Speaker 1 You don't know. How about now? We don't know.
We don't know how people got here. We don't know how long they've been here.
Quit trying to find a clear answer and keep investigating.

Speaker 1 Right, especially when we know South America had life, had all these humans living in South America. Like, why wouldn't they move up to North America? Like, why would that be weird?

Speaker 1 Like, what's the oldest known people in South America? What's the oldest?

Speaker 1 I'm not, to be honest with you, I'm not sure. The whole Amazon thing's got to throw a big old monkey wrench into that.
Well, they recently, you know who Thor Hayer et al.

Speaker 1 was, the guy that did like the Contiki voyage to prove that you could cross the ocean in a raft and all that shit? Okay. Yeah.
He's an archaeologist.

Speaker 1 And now he pointed out that on Easter Island that the

Speaker 1 platform that the biggest, oldest,

Speaker 1 whatever, Moai or whatever they're called,

Speaker 1 that platform, the polygonal masonry strongly resembled what he saw in Peru to the point where he hypothesized that these were connected. And this was just mocked by archaeologists for a longest time.

Speaker 1 Now, not only do they have genetic evidence in the form of human DNA with a solid genetic drift from South America heading out into Polynesia as well, but

Speaker 1 Easter Island has breadfruit, has ginger, and

Speaker 1 a couple of sweet potato. It's got food from both Asia and South America and the oldest habited layers that they found.
So like they've very

Speaker 1 in the old, and that's scientifically.

Speaker 1 oldest habited layers? It's like, I want to say, like, 1200 or 1800 years ago.

Speaker 1 It's not real, real old, but it's old enough that, like, the oldest place that they've excavated and found that the first people, it looks like the first people that showed up there came there from Asia and South America already.

Speaker 1 They've been connected to both. What was the evidence of cocaine and mummies? Was that bullshit? I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 1 It's one of the things that every time I look into it,

Speaker 1 the data is kind of threadbare. And

Speaker 1 as a skeptical guy and a guy who's had his share of time in bars and bathrooms,

Speaker 1 I have a much stronger feeling that there was some anthropologist in the 70s who was just doing a fucking bump. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 That's way smoking a cigarette and doing a bump on the sarcophagus is way more likely than that just to me, but I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and if you're doing Coke, you might put a little Coke on the mummy. I'm going to do a Coke off this fucking moment.
Oh, fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 Do a bump around this company. No human coke.

Speaker 1 and you're doing archaeology and it's the 70s. Oh, and no one, no one is like looking over your shoulder.
You're a wild fucking Indiana Jones type cokehead.

Speaker 1 Fuck, there's already people with their

Speaker 1 AI fucking art workout trying to make coke. Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 What was the evidence? See if you can find what the evidence for cocaine in Egyptian mummies was.

Speaker 1 The Russian scientist that said he found some in 1992, 90s. Look, I found Coke.

Speaker 1 He's like,

Speaker 1 he's doing blow.

Speaker 1 He's doing blow. They bust him.

Speaker 1 I found cocaine.

Speaker 1 It was in the mummy. I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mutmine.

Speaker 1 Definitely mut my cocaine. Cocaine, hashish, and nicotine in the hair of Hanut

Speaker 1 Taui? Toy?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 cocaine, hashish. Nicotine.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 German toxicologist Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, cocaine, hashish, and nicotine on Hanut Toy. How do you say that? Hanut Toys? How do you say his name? Hanut Tawi? Tawi.

Speaker 1 Tawi's hair.

Speaker 1 As well as on the hair of several other mummies of the museum, which is significant in that the only source for cocaine and nicotine had at that time been considered to be the cocoa and tobacco plants native to the Americas and were not thought to have been present in Africa until after Columbus' voyage to the Americas.

Speaker 1 The result was interpreted by theorists and supporters of contacts between pre-Columbian people and ancient Egyptians as a proof for their claims.

Speaker 1 The findings are controversial because while other researchers have also detected the presence of cocaine and nicotine in Egyptian mummies, two successive analysis of the other groups of Egyptian mummies and human remains failed to fully reproduce Balabanova's results and some showing positive results only for nicotine.

Speaker 1 But even that is interesting, right? Well, yeah. And then the next line actually is basically says what I just did.

Speaker 1 After these experiments, even assuming that cocaine was actually found on the mummies, it is possible that this could be contamination. Yeah, it says that.

Speaker 1 It says, even assuming that cocaine was actually found in the mummies, it could be

Speaker 1 contamination which occurred after the discovery of the mummies.

Speaker 1 The same argument could be applied to nicotine, but in addition, various plants other than tobacco are a source of nicotine, and two of these,

Speaker 1 Withania

Speaker 1 Somnifera and Apium Graviolens,

Speaker 1 were known to be used by the ancient Egyptians. Okay, so they did have some sort of nicotine plant.
2092, 2007, researchers in Peru may have also found some.

Speaker 1 Ooh, in Incan mummies. But Incan mummies,

Speaker 1 that's there.

Speaker 1 That's where cocaine is. If it was actual cocaine, that would be crazy

Speaker 1 if it was not just coca plant, but actual cocaine. A little baggy for the future

Speaker 1 for your travels.

Speaker 1 Come aliens, please come back. He got a little vile.
A little vile. They tucked away with him in his grave.
We've done everything we could to get them aliens back.

Speaker 1 We're going to process some of that shit. Come on, boys.

Speaker 1 It would be fascinating if we actually could prove that somehow another people from South America had made their way to Egypt and back and forth.

Speaker 1 And another interesting argument for that was always the old mechs. Like, they look Polynesian.
or African. They don't necessarily look like they're from South America.
Yeah, and

Speaker 1 there's a lot of the arguments that were made by those guys I brought up earlier that were back in the 1860s.

Speaker 1 One of them was big into linguists and linguistics and he made all these language models and stuff as to why that Maya was the first or proto-language that was all these other ones were built on.

Speaker 1 The other dude was really into iconography. I'm sure you've seen some of the symbols that like you see around the world, like the that girl that's sitting on the lions and the master of beast symbols.

Speaker 1 Yeah yeah. Things like that.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 it's not.

Speaker 1 Just pull that up. Well, sorry.
Yeah. Look up Master of Beasts.

Speaker 1 Like, I guess, sorry.

Speaker 1 You're going to find some cartoon. Yeah, I stumbled across something that says that I did more testing that says that there might have been cocaine in up to eight bodies.
Ooh. Whoa.

Speaker 1 They did multiple testing. Yeah, if you're living in Egypt, you're going to get some Coke if you've got that kind of cheddar.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 If you've got like gold headdresses and what's the ultimate thing to have? Coke.

Speaker 1 coke you know clearly clearly trying to get more women's you got some guy who's coming over from south america he's bringing coke as they did in the wake of controversy they used radio immune immunasi gas chromatography a master spectrometry

Speaker 1 and all of those got the same results

Speaker 1 All bones, soft tissue, and hair contain traces of the drug, ruling out possibility of external. Oh, okay, so they did have cocaine.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, there you go. Now you got some weird shit.
I just don't know if it's accurate, though. I want to look into this.
Let's just just slam the book and say it's accurate, Jamie.

Speaker 1 For the sake of Master of Beasts. Yeah, Master of Beasts.
If you look up

Speaker 1 ancient symbol or

Speaker 1 hopefully that'll bring it up. I forget.
Is that He-Man?

Speaker 1 Master of Universe. I have the power.
God damn, we're getting old today with the references. Sorry, we are.

Speaker 1 Darrell Ford and He-Man.

Speaker 1 That's it. Yeah, that's it.
So that exists all over the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that type of iconography of usually a woman, but sometimes a man, all the way back into like Kara Hayek, Turkey, like one of those Gopekli Tepe type of sites,

Speaker 1 has this symbol. And

Speaker 1 that type of symbol.

Speaker 1 Look at that Master of Animals one, the Wikipedia one in the middle.

Speaker 1 The gray one? Yeah, right there where your cursor just was, Jamie. No, the one where your cursor was.
Sorry, above that. That's cool, too.
But above that, that one. What's that that one from?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Wild.
I know. That is crazy.
Because it looks like it's got two monsters next to her.

Speaker 1 That image that we were just looking on. They're all from the same place.
There we go. There it is.
There it is right there.

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck is that? What are those things next to her?

Speaker 1 They look like some kind of lion-lizard hybrid, but look, they have like lizard tongues.

Speaker 1 Snake? Yeah. It's tough to say.
I mean, obviously I said. The tail and wings.

Speaker 1 They have wings. Like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 And why does that exist all over the world?

Speaker 1 That's really where, like, it's an interesting thing that when you see that kind of iconography, it's not the argument of, well, a nail looks like a nail anywhere because you invented a nail.

Speaker 1 That falls apart because

Speaker 1 this is just symbols, right? This is just symbolism. So that was implies some contact, right? Right.
Why?

Speaker 1 Way long ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And why? Yeah. How is that getting all around the world?

Speaker 1 Clearly, people are bringing it. Now, see, there's one place, just because I don't

Speaker 1 necessarily ascribe to lost technology or ancient high technology,

Speaker 1 don't get me wrong, when it comes to like a lost civilization, I'm very much of the opinion that there was a civilization from

Speaker 1 before 12,000 years ago that got wiped out by some sort of cataclysm.

Speaker 1 I don't think that it was, I don't think that they had like real high technology, but it wouldn't have taken much technology for them to appear better than their contemporaries.

Speaker 1 And we see evidence for that today, too, which is a really good point. People say, how is it possible that the rest of the world could have been so far behind? Well, they were.
Okay.

Speaker 1 First of all, with the Egyptians, they definitely were. Exactly.
Definitely. Like, proven everybody else was way far behind them.
But even today, my friend Paul Rosalie, he lives in the Amazon.

Speaker 1 He's like... He protects rainforests and hires these people that used to be loggers to now protect the rainforest and amazing guy.
He just filmed the other day an uncontacted tribe.

Speaker 1 Just the other day. There's uncontacted tribes all throughout there.

Speaker 1 They're completely naked and they're living a subsistence lifestyle in the Amazon forest. Who knows what their fucking language is? Who knows what their culture is about?

Speaker 1 But this is a completely uncontacted tribe that exists today along with us with AI on our smartphones.

Speaker 1 Same time period.

Speaker 1 So the idea that this couldn't exist at other parts of the world in the past, no, it fucking for sure could.

Speaker 1 By the way, it fucking did in the 1800s when settlers were making their way across the United States.

Speaker 1 The sun never sets on the British Empire was because Europe was hopskipping a jump ahead of the rest of the world when it came to sailing and conquering people.

Speaker 1 And that's, I mean, you can argue about whether that's good or bad or whatever. But it just existed.

Speaker 1 It existed. We're talking about the abilities.

Speaker 1 They were better at it. And in the United States, it's the best example.

Speaker 1 and in what what was going on when settlers came from europe and making their way across the country they were encountering stone age tribes yeah effectively yes a hundred percent stone age they were using stone tools they were using flint arrowheads there was a couple of people that had copper but they weren't being they weren't making weapons by and large from it right they were making like jewelry and stuff yeah it's pretty crazy it's it's pretty crazy but it's just a natural function of how human beings adapt to their environment and it seems that the nile valley in in Egypt was an abundant, rich environment that had so much resources that allowed those people to stay there and thrive for thousands of years.

Speaker 1 And if you think of the area being a green Sahara and then it slowly gets smaller, that Nile Delta would explain that concentration of people and ideas and stuff because you've got what was once spread out across a large area being all shoved together and making it almost a proto-city type of thing or whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm of the opinion that whatever the lost civilization was, I'm of the opinion that they were really good at seafaring, which means that they were really good at astronomy. And

Speaker 1 I put myself, I think that like the handbag symbol, I think that that's a symbol of their ability to, I think

Speaker 1 that it is a symbol for a day, like we were talking about before on that pillar, Go Beckley Tepid, that there's three of those handbags, and he says each one is actually a sunrise.

Speaker 1 Why is the handbag a sunrise?

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 the ground, and it's a sun. It's not an actual handbag.
It's a

Speaker 1 ground and

Speaker 1 could you look up Go Beckley Tepe Pillar 43? Sorry, Jamie, thank you.

Speaker 1 In that case it looks less like a handbag because there's nobody holding it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 and in this case, Dr. Martin Swetman's done the work and it looks like it's three different days he has it symbolized as.
So

Speaker 1 going with that, you see that's three handbags there, each one with an animal next to it. he believes that that's denoting the...
So not a handbag, but the arc of the sun over the earth. Yes.

Speaker 1 So when somebody's holding one of those, I think that it's a symbol for a knowledge of astronomy that most people don't have.

Speaker 1 The kind of a knowledge that it saw. So the astronomers are the people holding the handbags.
That's the ones who could explain to you the cycles of time. And they're the ones that were...

Speaker 1 capable of seafarers. They were the ones that when they would show up, they would have the same teamwork, the same ability to work with ropes and all that shit they could use to move megaliths.

Speaker 1 The same mathematics or an extension of it.

Speaker 1 It's the kind of thing that would be easier for them to move a big rock with a team of guys that have worked together working on boats than it would be for them to move a big rock with a team of people that never done anything like that before.

Speaker 1 And that would also explain why a lot of times these are lined up with stars and shit like that, because astronomy would be very important to them.

Speaker 1 So that's, I do think that there was a lost civilization.

Speaker 1 I mean, even simple shit like the bow and arrow, in all honesty, if you think about how complicated that would be to effectively create all the way, it's like it's easy for a dude to figure out the tension, but building a flight and an arrow that's like weighted, it's way different than a spear.

Speaker 1 It's being launched from the back, not the center, so you can't just transfer it over. This is requiring multiple people over multiple generations, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 I think that the fact that we see it all over the fucking planet says something. That probably people were traveling.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not something that people would figure out on their own everywhere. No, we have adelattles too, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and people figured those ones out, but that seems like a more simple development. Yeah, that's a lot simpler.
So why isn't that everywhere instead of bow and arrow?

Speaker 1 Probably was, but the bow and arrow supplanted it and it was only kept where you really needed the penetrating power of the adelatl. Right.

Speaker 1 So that's, again, this is all just spitballing, but we don't know for sure. I could say that I do, but I don't.

Speaker 1 It's just so, it's so interesting. It really is so interesting.

Speaker 1 Because the concept of if these mummies that show cocaine really are proof that somehow or another someone came from the Americas with cocaine and made their way to Egypt, boy, that throws the whole thing, throws a monkey wrench into the whole gears of our timeline of civilization.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. How are they doing that? How did they get over there? It's so fucking far.
Anunnaki taxi cab service.

Speaker 1 What's your theory?

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 Based off of what you're saying with like it's a time measuring tool,

Speaker 1 I'm looking for more examples of it. This is a very interesting explanation.
I don't know if it's accurate. Hopefully, you can shed some light on it.
Does this make any sense what it's saying? About

Speaker 1 water clock? Yeah, so baboon. Because there's a

Speaker 1 damn it. I can pull it up in a second.
No, it's okay. Let's go.
Baboon sitting on something that looks like a basket. What is this from? What is this? What do you guys read? Reddit

Speaker 1 about Reddit. So I'm explaining what this is.
The hieroglyph depicts one form of something called a water clock or say that word. Klepsydra.
Klepsydra

Speaker 1 hydrologia,

Speaker 1 which was was used to tell the time by the drainage of water through a small hole. The item associated with thought due to its use as a measuring tool and thus miniature versions or models made of,

Speaker 1 what's that word, faiance? What's that word? I don't know. Faiance?

Speaker 1 Sorry. Often had baboons incorporated into their structure.
It's said that

Speaker 1 horopolo in hieroglyphica that it was traditional to allow water to drain out of a hole in the baboon's genitalia because the baboon apparently cries and urinates 12 times a day on the equinoxes.

Speaker 1 So you just like force feed water into a baboon to figure out what time it is?

Speaker 1 Synchronized clocks.

Speaker 1 He's just howling. Oh, it's time to go to eat.

Speaker 1 The monkey's howling. Regardless of the exact reason, the hole was indeed sometimes placed at the end of the baboon's penis.

Speaker 1 Model, non-functional versions of the water clock often mimic the shape of the hieroglyph itself, similar to the Ma'at figurine and may have been used in offering rituals.

Speaker 1 See if you can find one of those figurines.

Speaker 1 So that's a water clock built on the idea, and the water clock, the water comes out of the baboon's penis.

Speaker 1 I know that

Speaker 1 the ancient Egyptians

Speaker 1 would measure time during the evening hours with water clocks like that. They would have people tasked with keeping time for the area.
Oh, look at that. It's a baboon water clock.

Speaker 1 The water comes, it drips out of his dick. And when all the water, so it's like a sort of like an hourglass.
Yeah, but it's the baboon's dick. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 That is, that's impressive. I found out something new today.
Yeah, me too. That makes it worth it.
Right below that pillar they're showing.

Speaker 1 I think someone else has explained to us that those are like, they think that's a time, like calendar. Those are days or months or something like that.

Speaker 1 That's all this is time.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's

Speaker 1 so he, what Dr. Martin Sweatman thinks is those three handbags there are

Speaker 1 three of the cardinal points, like two equinoxes and one solstice, I think, and then the condor down there holding

Speaker 1 the sun is what he believes. He believes that's Sagittarius, and that it's

Speaker 1 basically denoting

Speaker 1 that the fourth cardinal point of the year, and that all those other marks add up to the squares are a month, the Vs are days, and at the end of it, according to his interpretation, it's what he thinks of it's a recording of the time that the asteroid hit the younger dryest impact whoa and uh his he's wrote two scientific papers on it he's come under a lot of fire for it but the shocker the majority of the fire is really funny it's like okay he's he's a chemical engineer and so he's a mathematician by trade he's a number cruncher and so the first thing everybody says ah Dave's not an archaeologist, you got a fucking number cruncher in here.

Speaker 1 It's like the field of archaeoastronomy, as it's called was first officially recognized because of the work of a guy named alexander tom he's the one that was like plotting out a bunch of shit in england and whatnot right and seeing that uh this lines up with that it looks like this the ancients would stand here to look there he predicted that they would find a viewing platform and it was at a certain site he's like they stood up on the side of that hill i'll bet you find a platform there they found that platform and now it was he's starting to do some science here he's making predictions and they're coming true

Speaker 1 This guy was an engineer, not a chemical engineer, he was a construction engineer, but he had fuck all to do with archaeology. This is very common.

Speaker 1 If you look at the teams that make up archaeostronomy expeditions, it's usually an astronomer, an archaeologist, and then somebody who's just a math whiz.

Speaker 1 He's really, really, he's way above the pay grade on either one of these guys when it comes to number crunching. That's generally speaking the teams that make these things up.

Speaker 1 So when they go beating at this guy, right, that betrays they don't even know of this fucking field. field.
And of course, these are all scientists and historians by and large that are doing that.

Speaker 1 So it's really hilarious. It's like you guys are.

Speaker 1 You don't even look. You don't even open the goddamn book.

Speaker 1 One of them famously or infamously to me, because I drag him for it frequently, said, if it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, well, I hope you understand.

Speaker 1 And it's like, well, I understand between us talking, but I do not fucking understand that for a scientist. Fuck you on that.

Speaker 1 If your job is to test chemicals to figure out which one does what, you don't say, well, it kind of looks like this one, so I'll skip it. You fucking test each one.
Same thing here.

Speaker 1 Hypothesis comes at you, you don't get to be like, well, it kind of resembles the one that that one kook came up with. We'll reject it.
You test it. Or you don't call it science.

Speaker 1 You call it guesswork. Well, it's also really interesting in regards to Gobekli Tepe that they've essentially put a giant halt on the amount of excavation that's being done there.

Speaker 1 And they've even planted trees over the areas that have not been excavated yet. Yeah.
They've done,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 some of the tree footage that I've seen is just abhorrent. And aren't the trees a protected species of tree? Yep.
So you can't cut them down. You can't cut them down.

Speaker 1 Which is like, why would you do that? Well, why would you do that over one of the most important historical sites in human history? Well, the guy that did it, like, he owns the site, right?

Speaker 1 And then they find it, and now he's trying to sell it or not trying to sell it, excuse me. The government comes like 10 years later and tells them that they're going to buy it.

Speaker 1 And it's just like if you're like, if the government's going to build a highway, it doesn't matter how much you paid for your home, doesn't matter what you got on your property, they're going to come and look at it, and they have an equation form, and that's all that matters.

Speaker 1 The swimming pool's not on that form, fucking swimming pool doesn't get paid for.

Speaker 1 Well, on this farmland, adding olive trees made that an orchard instead of basically arid farmland. Oh, made it more valuable.
Made it more valuable.

Speaker 1 But what's funny about this is like we talk about the arguments against this stuff and how stupid it it is okay Jim points out that it's that these trees are a problem and since it's Jim and Jim is fucking public enemy number one to archaeologists but I'm coming to get you Jim it's gonna be my spot soon but

Speaker 1 anyway

Speaker 1 since since Jim is fucking hated by these guys it doesn't matter

Speaker 1 there is tons of documentation on the problems with having tree roots above a site, all the way from contamination with different microbes to they use a certain species of snail in Europe to determine certain dates tree roots that punch right through that shit and introduce that snail to places it shouldn't be, right?

Speaker 1 Tree roots will, if one of those enclosures at Gobekli Tepe is filled with water or had a well in it, all those roots are screaming down that thing and just blowing it to shit. It's gone.
So

Speaker 1 there's a number of things archaeologists. Everything I just told you, that's shit archaeologists say.

Speaker 1 I learned all that from reading papers about the problem that tree roots can cause to archaeological sites.

Speaker 1 Because everybody knows they cause, at least all the construction guys know they cause problems with foundations.

Speaker 1 But they don't care. They'll argue all day, oh, those tree roots aren't so bad that's a protective, it's not such a big deal.
It's all because Jim mentioned it.

Speaker 1 Had Flint mentioned it first, they would be all up in arms about taking care of those trees. It's so clearly red rover, red rover.
It's all about teams.

Speaker 1 It's just stupid at the point where it's just reprehensible at times, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 It's just shocking that steps haven't been taken to mitigate that when you consider that this is one of the most important archaeological sites ever.

Speaker 1 So it threw the monkey wrench into the whole idea that people were capable of building stuff like that only around 6,000 years ago. Yeah.
It blasted that on its ear.

Speaker 1 Like you were saying earlier, I remember,

Speaker 1 it drives me nuts because I can't find the...

Speaker 1 Clip, but I remember seeing it years ago of Graham talking to somebody and the guy saying,

Speaker 1 show me the civilization. Yeah, that was with Zawi Hawass and there was another archaeologist, the guy with glasses.
Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 openly dismissive in the most disgusting way. Like, where's the evidence?

Speaker 1 Then they find it. But back in those days,

Speaker 1 the standard operating model for humans becoming from

Speaker 1 hunter-gatherers to civilization was you were... had to start farming and then you created a surplus of food.

Speaker 1 And once you had enough of a surplus of food for long enough, you started to have these ruling classes emerge.

Speaker 1 You get your astronomers and your priests and your shamans and all these guys don't want to work. And so pretty soon you get these cities going and shit.
But

Speaker 1 this can only happen when we have a huge surplus of food because that's obviously just wasted labor. Well, Gobeckle Tepe really threw that on its ear because there ain't no goddamn farming right then.

Speaker 1 There's the beginnings of it. There ain't no surplus of food there.
There's, I mean, there's no surplus of human-created food.

Speaker 1 You might be finding lots of animal bones and shit, but it wasn't like they grew a bunch of food. So it completely destroyed that entire narrative.

Speaker 1 And that's the part that, because it's a Graham Hancock site,

Speaker 1 they're slow to really admit that. But go buy a book from the 90s and read about how humans progressed.

Speaker 1 Buy an anthropology book and you'll see it very clear that they completely had to rewrite shit because of Gobekli Tebe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's also a weird one, too, because they know it was intentionally covered up 11,000 years ago.

Speaker 1 That one's wild. That's wild.
That's one thing that's been pushed back on a lot,

Speaker 1 but it does look like there's papers published both ways, but it does look like, last I saw it, it does look like the consensus is it was buried.

Speaker 1 What's the push back?

Speaker 1 The sides of the hill would like collapse into the thing, and so that they would just eventually just kind of push some more of it in there and just leveled it out so they could use the area because it was a bunch of holes in the ground you couldn't walk your donkeys over or anything.

Speaker 1 I know it's a little

Speaker 1 you could walk your donkeys. Yeah, it's not like the whole area.
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 I think that Go Beckley Tepe, like any of those sites, I don't think. I'm well aware.
Just like the,

Speaker 1 because Jimmy's involved with it, anything Graham Hancock touches, those guys,

Speaker 1 they're going to poo-poo it. They're just going to dismiss it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's sad because he is

Speaker 1 them hitting him with the racist thing in particular. That's good.
You know, Graham.

Speaker 1 That hits him. That fucking hurts him.
He's very sensitive. He doesn't, and that kind of shit, man.

Speaker 1 There are people that are Atlantis hunters today. There's the guy,

Speaker 1 Robert Zaphir. I hate to say his name even, but I will because he needs to be put on blast a bit.
This guy is, he's an Atlantis bro.

Speaker 1 He thinks that the DNA story that we've been told out of Africa is wrong. Okay, fine, whatever.

Speaker 1 Where the rubber hits the road is when he starts seeing, he'll show like pictures of like old school anthropological models of proto-humans that are real dark skin and big hair coming out and looking half monkey, half man, and then he'll say there's no way that this could come from the same stock and then she'll like a little six-year-old Danish girl with perfect fucking big blue eyes and and and this is this kind of constant constant digs at uh at Africans, not out of Africa, but at Africa.

Speaker 1 They were uh all these different species bred with different hominids and these guys bred with the stupid ones, and these other guys bred with smart ones, and these guys bred with strong ones.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's very,

Speaker 1 it's racist, for lack of a better term. It might not even be what you would consider white supremacist, but it's definitely,

Speaker 1 when you're done with, if you were to take everything he said and accept it, you would walk away thinking that different groups of humans are clearly better than each other genetically, fucking hands down, and you can judge it based on skin.

Speaker 1 So that is racist, right? What does that have to do with Atlantis? Well, he believes that Atlantis was like the people that spread the ideas around and stuff.

Speaker 1 Kind of the same stuff I was saying earlier about that Ignatius Donnelly guy. Oh, okay.
So he is. So he is what you would think.
He's got 300,000 subscribers or so on YouTube. He's not a nobody.

Speaker 1 So you would think he's the guy that these guys would be poking at for being a fucking racist, but they don't. And there's a real big reason why they almost never do.

Speaker 1 There's like two people with any following at all that have letters next to their name. They're taking shots at this guy on YouTube.
And the reason is it's hey he's he is

Speaker 1 what they actually claim Graham is so it's it's like if if you have somebody that's complaining about a trans activist the one that's screaming call me ma'am that's what they're trying to say graham is but actually that's what Robert is and then Graham just would be standing there being like hey how's it going so the problem is if you pay attention to that guy and you see the real racist then it doesn't work when you call Graham a racist yeah you can't call him a racist anymore yeah

Speaker 1 and so they also probably don't want to give him any attention.

Speaker 1 Well, they don't, they give him attention, they talk about it, they do, they just uh like I said, I didn't even want to mention his name, and I know I'm gonna get people yelling at me about uh saying that, but it's uh, the stuff that he puts out is very clearly uh, if you were to again, if you take it all on board, it would be very you would be a racist.

Speaker 1 If you were to just accept it all, you'd be like, oh, well, that guy's black, he's just not as smart as me. Sorry, fuck, there's a clip for you, Flint.
Have fun with that. So, the the

Speaker 1 one of the things that uh I saw on your channel channel in regards to Atlantis was this alloy

Speaker 1 that they found these ingots. They found this...
What's the name of it? I'm having trouble with this.

Speaker 1 Okalium? Something like that? Yeah, something like that. And it's a combination of...

Speaker 1 Zinc and what?

Speaker 1 Zinc and copper and

Speaker 1 silver, I think. It was like zinc and

Speaker 1 mostly zinc and copper. Maybe it was a tiny bit of silver.
And it might have just been zinc and copper.

Speaker 1 And they have found shipwrecks that have this stuff in it and it was written about before too like

Speaker 1 like it wasn't just written about with Atlantis like they'd written about it it was metal that the Greeks used it was basically from one

Speaker 1 from one little mountain region I have one of your videos that I was watching yesterday I could find it sent it to Jamie Did you find it Jamie that's it that's it that's the word yep how do you say that word or a calium or a calium metal in calicum maybe I don't know recovered from shipwreck off Sicily yep that's it so this was an early version of a metal that they had created.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, they think that it might be an alloy that was found, but

Speaker 1 that it was like the naturally occurring copper that way.

Speaker 1 They're not 100%, I believe. But you can make it.
We could, yes. As an alloy.
We could, yes.

Speaker 1 And what's interesting is it does talk about that.

Speaker 1 Could you scroll up a little, Jeremy, so I can read that?

Speaker 1 It says today most scholars agree that orcallium is a brass-like alloy which was made in antiquity by cementation.

Speaker 1 The process was achieved with the reaction of zinc ore, charcoal, and copper metal in a crucible.

Speaker 1 Analyzed by X-ray

Speaker 1 fluorescience?

Speaker 1 With X-ray fluorescience. Fluorescence.
Fluorescence. Fluorescence.
Oh, durr. By Dario Panetta of TQ Technologies for quality.

Speaker 1 The 39 ingots turned to be an alloy made with 75 to 80% copper, 15 to 20% zinc, and small percentages of nickel, lead, and iron. What would be the benefit of that alloy?

Speaker 1 It was considered beautiful, like gold, but cheaper and easier to get.

Speaker 1 Considered second only to gold in value. It was found and mined in many parts of legendary Atlantis in ancient times.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 they said that the temple walls in Atlantis were supposed to have been covered with that stuff.

Speaker 1 But that's where, you know, myself, and I know this,

Speaker 1 I think that there's a really good chance that a lot of the evidence that we have, a lot of the written records, the myths and stuff of Atlantis, I think a lot of that's going to have a cultural infusion so heavy into it that a lot of the details will get lost and you could almost just be like, there was a civilization that was more advanced than the people that wrote about them.

Speaker 1 And that's almost all you could take away sometimes. Like

Speaker 1 the Greeks.

Speaker 1 Atlantis happened to be a democratic society. Well, no shit.
The Greeks, they valued that democracy. It was something something they were real proud of.
So, of course, this great place was democratic.

Speaker 1 And, of course, they had the same,

Speaker 1 that rich-ass metal, all the fucking, they covered their temples in that shit, bro.

Speaker 1 To me, it seems, you know what I mean? It's just like,

Speaker 1 a lot of people say that the whole thing, you know, that Plato just used Atlantis as an allegory or a myth. What is this, Jamie? Sounds like brass.

Speaker 1 Chemical analysis of the ingots found in 2015 shipwrecked, high-quality brass. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc.
While the ancient Greeks did not know metallic zinc, they knew zinc-coating ores.

Speaker 1 And the description that or calium has similar color and shine as gold fits well with the properties of brass.

Speaker 1 While brass is not exactly a precious metal, it does not corrode and is widely used on jewelry, marine instruments, and medical instruments.

Speaker 1 Goldsmiths and jewelers describe brass as mahogany of metals. Wasn't that

Speaker 1 device, I don't remember how to say the word,

Speaker 1 a tikkara. Antikyrim? Antikythrum, yeah.
Wasn't that made out of brass as well? Part of it was brass, yes. Yeah.
That thing. That's crazy.
That thing's insane. That thing is insane.

Speaker 1 It shows some serious thinking going on, serious planning. And

Speaker 1 as I've said numerous times, I think that if it didn't look so clunky when they found it, I don't think that we'd have it.

Speaker 1 I think it ended up on some rich guy's shelf because it's way too fucking cool. But they looked at it and they're just like, yeah, there's like a massive metal with like some gear frozen to it.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It's all corroded shit.
And then they bring it up and hand it off.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck me.

Speaker 1 Look what we got here because yeah I mean that's you know that looks kind of cool but it doesn't look nearly as it just looks like a wheel and it was found next to a bunch of statues right

Speaker 1 so they they had that was stuff of real value as far as they were concerned well what's really fascinating is the 3d analysis of what it was and how it worked see if you can find the when they show like a and that's it right there this is the depiction of what it looked like when it was actually functional yeah it's insane it's like what the fuck is that thing

Speaker 1 And this was some sort of super sophisticated calendar, right? Yeah, basically just

Speaker 1 I thought it was how they traveled. No, it does weather patterns and stuff.
No, it does

Speaker 1 have star phases and weather patterns. Right.

Speaker 1 You know those things that you in a in high school or college where you turn a crank and the sun and all the planets go around it, right? Corresponding weather predictions. That's star phases.

Speaker 1 You can correspond weather with star phases. I guess if you're doing a calendar, right? So if you're looking at when is it going to be winter? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Oh, fucking cool.
Yeah, it's pretty impressive. That's like way earlier than anybody thought anybody had a mechanical clock.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, there's

Speaker 1 stuff I haven't researched for a long time, but I remember. Oh, that's what it looks like when it's separated.
Yeah, that's just someone making a planetary thing. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I was saying,

Speaker 1 effectively, that's the same kind of thing, basically. So that's what it's based on? All those little...
Well, no,

Speaker 1 those are based on it or

Speaker 1 the anti-kids were mechanisms way before that, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What year was this, supposedly? I want to say like 1500 BC or something.

Speaker 1 But I might be, I might be able to get it. I think it just said 500 BC.

Speaker 1 Is that what it said, Jamie?

Speaker 1 Discovered in 1901.

Speaker 1 Second century BC. Oh, so okay.

Speaker 1 200 BC. But there was definitely more than one of those.
Oh, God. That's what's crazy.
So this is the whole thing when you're talking about ancient technology. If this is only 2,200 years ago,

Speaker 1 15,000 years ago, you ain't going to find shit. Like, that is so much longer.

Speaker 1 And if you think about how eroded that is, if that thing was still in the ocean 10,000 years from now, there'd be nothing left. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the other thing that's really gross about the whole shipwreck dismissal is that these ships were made out of wood. The wood would be gone.

Speaker 1 This idea that it would all be preserved because of cold water. There's no evidence of that.
There's evidence of things that are like 600 years old, 1,000 years old.

Speaker 1 As soon as you get older than that, you get nothing but the pottery and the jewelry on the floor of the ocean.

Speaker 1 That's absolutely right.

Speaker 1 We don't have fuck off for shipwrecks way back in those days. And those ships that are preserved from even close to like 10,000 years ago aren't ships.

Speaker 1 They're the little fucking canoes that are found in bogs and places, right? If it's in the ocean, it's not. It's Swiss cheese after

Speaker 1 a few thousand years, and you ain't going to have nothing left.

Speaker 1 One of the things that really is sad about that whole deal is it's

Speaker 1 you know there was a potential for a real good discussion to be had there. Flint does know a lot about archaeology and

Speaker 1 he could have sat down with Graham and had a good conversation about this stuff but if you in order to do that he would have had to have not construed it as a debate in his mind.

Speaker 1 I mean clearly it was still going to get labeled as such but

Speaker 1 by making a debate in his head it's like you have to win. You have to win.

Speaker 1 And so you have to sew shut holes that can't be sewn shut. If we're talking about, like that, there's shipwrecks.
Oh, well, you've got to make sure that there's no shipwrecks.

Speaker 1 You've got to make sure that there's no place for him to speculate whatsoever.

Speaker 1 And that's just like, dude.

Speaker 1 So you end up with. Right, because he's still right in one way, right? And the way he's right is there's no evidence of a 10,000-year-old shipwreck.
No, there is no evidence of a 10-year-old.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 That's all you have to say.

Speaker 1 And you have to say, well, we have to make a giant leap if you want to assume that people were seafarers. But it is possible.

Speaker 1 It's possible that they did it 2,000 years ago.

Speaker 1 Do we really know for absolute certainty what year the boat was invented? Thank you. But I'll tell you something that's kind of painful and hilarious, but sad about this.

Speaker 1 You know, Flint, they're closing the anthropology department at the University Flint teaches at right now.

Speaker 1 They're closing down other anthropology departments and archaeology departments across the world right now, across the country.

Speaker 1 I've just posted one a couple days ago. um

Speaker 1 flint was sitting here with graham talking to you and there was the opportunity for him to say we do need to do more investigation graham i completely agree with you which is why i think we need to get some people out there to do some underwater archaeology where do you think graham you know let's do a different place he could be drumming up business with the and and then

Speaker 1 Then at the very least,

Speaker 1 even if he looked down his nose at everything Graham had to say,

Speaker 1 the cheddar comes in, the investigations happen, and everybody's happy. Instead,

Speaker 1 they're closing his fucking department. I mean, dude,

Speaker 1 to me, it's just such a, I mean, they might not necessarily be directly related, but he had an opportunity that he completely didn't just piss it away.

Speaker 1 He just drove it into the ground, did the opposite of what he should have done with it. And they do that.
as a matter of course. Jimmy Corsetti brought up once about a year ago on Twitter.

Speaker 1 He's like, oh, yeah, you know, I think the Nephilim in the Bible, it talks about the giants. The Nephilim, I think maybe that might be an extinct species of hominid.

Speaker 1 And maybe Denisovans, maybe Neanderthal. So instead of being like, hey, that's interesting, man, but you know what?

Speaker 1 Denisovans and Neanderthal are both the wrong size for they would neither one of them were bigger than humans, so they couldn't be giants.

Speaker 1 You need to look into gigantopithecus or maybe some other and sent Jim on. on to go learn about science.
Instead, they said, no, it's fucking stupid. Both of these are smaller than that.

Speaker 1 God, this Jimmy Corsetti guy's a fucking grifter. God, he's stupid.
And then

Speaker 1 I can come along and point out that

Speaker 1 you missed an opportunity here, guys. Why are you doing it like this? Why are you being dicks instead of trying? You're here trying to be a science educator, right?

Speaker 1 He has a bigger platform than you, right?

Speaker 1 The giant thing is always weird to me because there's so many people that believe in kooky shit that want to believe there was giants.

Speaker 1 And that there's, they hid him. The Smithsonian, they've got him tucked away.
Like, why? Why would they hide giants?

Speaker 1 Like, would society fall apart if we knew that at one point in time there were 11-foot men running around?

Speaker 1 And what happened to them? Maybe they're just like a lot of other large animals that just like they didn't need too many resources. Yeah, you ate them all, and that's why they're gone.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or maybe they're just dumb as shit and huge.

Speaker 1 We ate them. And we ate them.

Speaker 1 Or we killed them. Maybe we got tired of them raiding our villages and they couldn't figure out weapons because they were so big they never had to.

Speaker 1 If we do know that there's tiny hobbit people, why wouldn't we assume that, look, if the tallest humans are like, what's the tallest guy ever? He's like 9 9'10. 12'3.
Okay. Robert Wadlow.

Speaker 1 I grew up near him. So let's imagine something two feet bigger than that.
That's not so hard to believe. No.
That there was a bunch of them? Is that hard to believe?

Speaker 1 If we find out that there was little Hobbit people, and if we find out there was Dennis Hovens, and what's those big-headed people that they found? We were talking about it.

Speaker 1 They found in China with the extra-large skulls.

Speaker 1 It's a very recent discovery. We were just talking about it.

Speaker 1 They thought at one point in time they were Dennis Ovens, and now they think it's a completely separate chain. Oh, wow.
Yeah. They're always finding these new little weird humans.

Speaker 1 But these big-headed people, they had like large brows, and their skulls were much larger than ours.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 we just had, we pulled images of them the other day. Remember? They looked giant.

Speaker 1 We had jacked versions of it.

Speaker 1 I really call them just the largehead people. I don't have a better name for it.

Speaker 1 Fuck.

Speaker 1 Big head people discovered. I did.

Speaker 1 Literally, the website says largehead people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't have a better name for it. But remember, we did find a better name the other day.
That's it. Those are the people.
That's the article. So this is December 2024.
So it was really recent.

Speaker 1 Provocative New Piece in Nature proposed a whole new group of ancient humans, cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals, that once lived alongside Homo sapiens in Eastern Asia more than 100,000 years ago.

Speaker 1 The brains of these extinct humans who probably hunted horses in small groups were much bigger than any other hominin of their time, including our own species. Whoa, yeah, what?

Speaker 1 Bigger brain things? Like, what is this thing? Julien. Julien.
Yeah, large.

Speaker 1 Google Julien images. There's some cool fucking CGI versions of what they think this thing looked like.

Speaker 1 Go to images.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 There's one where he's like super jacked.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's it. Like that one over there.
Far like look at that.

Speaker 1 Super jacked primate that stands upright. Here's a weird one.
How come all the intelligent things stand upright? Is it because you need your hands free?

Speaker 1 Because if you're walking on four legs, you never figure anything out because you're always using your hands to walk with. That might be part of it.
Like, you need to become bipedal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like opposable thumbs. Yeah.
So you can. Well, the aliens don't, though.
They gave up on that. They would just want three digits.
Well, that's because they all just do tablets now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're so advanced, they're just scrolling. Yeah.
You ever seen a little kid take a magazine and try to like

Speaker 1 I saw this today. This is the world's tallest woman, meeting the world's smallest woman.
Wow. Yeah.
Right. Look how.
That's insane. And those are both human beings.
Yep. Right.
At the same time.

Speaker 1 Well, one of the things that's interesting to me about the giant bones, like the reports that they go, the things that they use to really, their smoking gun is, like, there's a few reports from like the West Coast and like

Speaker 1 Grand Canyon and shit.

Speaker 1 And they would send these letters back being like, or they're via a newspaper that this guy discovered these big giant bones and they're bringing them back and right I'm of the opinion being the skeptical person I am I'm of the opinion that this was more of an announcement to the people back east that hey if these things happen to get stolen along the way and I happen to find a bunch of money along the way now's your chance because once they get to the Smithsonian boys they're theirs so I don't think any of them made it if if these exist if they were giant bones at all I don't think a damn one of them made it to Smithsonian I think they got bought up and they're sitting there.

Speaker 1 I mean, fuck, come on. These guys have their fingers.
Jeff Bezos type character from 1802

Speaker 1 that collected it in his house. Archaeology became a field.
Imagine you go over some Scullenbone type dude's house and a fucking giant skeleton.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ, he's all

Speaker 1 fucking metal plates on his face.

Speaker 1 It's all like a ball.

Speaker 1 How many people have those little alien babies? Those little alien skeletons? How many people? I mean, if people find out about that, some crazy Chinese billionaire, it's like, get me a little alien.

Speaker 1 Come on. I want it for my study.
And that's basically how that's, you know,

Speaker 1 that probably happens a lot, right? Because these archaeologists aren't making much money. No, and of course it happens, especially in the third world and shit.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, and that's where all the, not all, but that's where a lot of the cool stuff is. But you go to a place like that, it's like

Speaker 1 your boy up in Alaska finds a spot, and because it's not human remains, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. If those were native remains, it'd be a different story.
But

Speaker 1 and like he's pulling cash out of that, but guys in other countries where they don't even have enough to feed. I mean, look at how the dead sea scrolls were found, right?

Speaker 1 They buy them off of fucking little kids and shit, right? The people that had no money.

Speaker 1 Like, the kids throw rocks up there and then they find them, and then the dudes buys the first ones were bought from the kids that found them. Isn't that crazy? It's insane.

Speaker 1 And for nothing, of course. And imagine if they were just burned somewhere.
Imagine if someone said this is heresy and lit them on fire. Like, we would have lost it all.
Like, Library of Alexandria.

Speaker 1 Like, all that, uh,

Speaker 1 all that shit that ISIS blew up. Oh, right, right.
Fuck. Yeah.
Oof. Crazy.
That hurt. I've seen those videos was like bad.
I read that about the mummies. That's how they found them.
The Nazca mummies.

Speaker 1 There was grave robbers because they were found in a cemetery area. But someone found some weird ones, I guess, amongst the bodies.
And

Speaker 1 which ones do you think they took first? You walk in there and there's all these 200 of them.

Speaker 1 One of them is really extra crazy. looking.

Speaker 1 Give me that one. Give me the alien.
The one with the giant head.

Speaker 1 The reports that I told you, Rockefeller got those big skulls. The reports say that they gave him three or four bundles that were in desperate need of repair.
I call bullshit of that.

Speaker 1 I think he got the four best motherfucking bundles they had. Probably.
Probably got them set up with like a UFO in the background in his house. He's going to go to a secret room.

Speaker 1 The visitors. They've been here forever.

Speaker 1 One of the things I did want to ask you is one of the wackier theories that I read online was that there was a discovery of some sort of an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon. Yes.
I've heard this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's basically one guy's story.
It's cool.

Speaker 1 I want to believe. That's the problem.
I want to believe too. That's the problem.
I want to believe too. But why would they hide that from us? Well,

Speaker 1 the only reason that there's a part of the Grand Canyon you can't go to. That is true.
Dun dun dun.

Speaker 1 There's where this is. Why can't you go? What's the rule? I think it has to do with Native American stuff, but I haven't dug too terribly into this, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 Let them have a casino and let us go there.

Speaker 1 It might even be just be because they're worried about people falling off the side of a cliff or something and dying. But they die every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do. Not every day, but like every year someone dies at the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 1 But this is supposed to be, that cave was supposed to be in that area, and it's supposed to be like pretty hard to find, pretty inaccessible.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it was supposed to have all kinds of Egyptian relics and stuff in there. Could you imagine if the government's been hiding that from us and UFOs?

Speaker 1 Have you guys found an Egyptian temple in the Grand Canyon?

Speaker 1 You hid it for so long you had to keep hiding it. Otherwise, you would have been an asshole five years ago, 100 years ago.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's like we don't ever admit we were assholes, so we'll just keep it hidden forever and ever. We'll know who killed JFK before we get to see what's in that cave.
Allegedly. Allegedly, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not buying anything. No.
Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Once they're going to release the documents, sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, once the.

Speaker 1 Once they said they were going to release the documents, I was like, sweet, I'm going to go look into it. And they're like, oh, it's just going to take a couple of three years.
Okay, fuck you.

Speaker 1 Well, they have to go through it all.

Speaker 1 Because they haven't done that yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. Well,

Speaker 1 I get it.

Speaker 1 If the family, you know, maybe it could be the grandson of one of the people involved has got power or something nowadays. It doesn't really matter a whole lot.

Speaker 1 If there's power involved, they're just going to kick that.

Speaker 1 Especially if somehow or another you could show that those people profited from that power and then that family has inherited that money and they'd be held liable. Oh, boy, oh, boy.
Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, Dan, I really enjoy your videos. They're great.
It's a great channel, dedunking. It's awesome.
It's on YouTube. Always great to talk to you.
I'm glad you came back here to do it again.

Speaker 1 And let's do it another time, man. Yeah.
I would love to see it. Every time we see all the shit goes down, I would love it.
Come down here and we'll decipher it. Thanks for the invite, Joe.

Speaker 1 I really appreciate it. My pleasure.
Great conversation. I enjoyed it.
All right. Bye, everybody.