JRE MMA Show #165 with Jiří Procházka

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Speaker 1 Great to have you in, man.

Speaker 1 Great to be here. How you feeling? You must be feeling fantastic.

Speaker 2 Many things

Speaker 2 were successful. So even if I was a little bit had a flu,

Speaker 2 many things.

Speaker 1 You had a flu before that fight?

Speaker 2 Yeah, for one week, like five days.

Speaker 2 Five days before fight week, I was in

Speaker 2 like how to say that

Speaker 2 heat, like body's water, fever, fever, fever, yeah, fever.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 That was, that was, yeah, that was something what I, but every time,

Speaker 2 maybe I'm a little bit glad for that because I'm every time trying to push my preparation too much

Speaker 1 that I'm every time like hurt myself or I'm overtrained right so so that's why I'm maybe maybe just a little bit glad for that that's interesting right like it's it's so hard because you want to prepare so hard you you're so disciplined so driven but you can do yourself a disservice you can go too far and then you don't recover enough and then you go into the fight a little compromised yeah that's right yeah we've seen that many times with fighters who just get so enthusiastic about their training.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 I feel like

Speaker 2 self-confidence, and still

Speaker 2 there is something what you can do better, yeah, every day. And that's my idea of the training, life, life idea, to

Speaker 2 go better every day, 1% better, 1% better.

Speaker 2 Even if

Speaker 2 you can't train, you can sit

Speaker 2 in a meditation and visualize it how you train,

Speaker 2 how the body is working. Sometimes is

Speaker 2 the most

Speaker 2 biggest, like,

Speaker 2 the biggest thing what you can do is just

Speaker 2 rest.

Speaker 2 Like you show me the floating. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you need one of those, man. If all the people that I know,

Speaker 1 you need one. Sensory deprivation tank.
You should get one of those.

Speaker 1 Because I know you're into meditation. I know you spend a lot of time in dark rooms.
That's that's meditation time's a hundred. That's right.

Speaker 1 Do you monitor your heart rate every day to see what your recovery is at, or you just go by feel?

Speaker 2 Feeling. Feeling.
Feeling. Feeling.
I did that in

Speaker 2 high attitude training in

Speaker 2 all the November in Mexico,

Speaker 2 Mexico City. Where is 2,300, 200?

Speaker 1 Yeah, 7,700 feet above sea level, I believe.

Speaker 2 Yes, and

Speaker 2 there I

Speaker 2 monitor everything, like take up blood exams before, in, and after this camp, four-week camp there. And

Speaker 2 man, amazing, amazing how.

Speaker 1 Well, your endurance was incredible in that fight because that was such a high-paced fight.

Speaker 2 And still,

Speaker 2 I felt like

Speaker 2 after that flu, I felt a little bit down.

Speaker 1 Well, that's pretty amazing then. You must have been in insane shape before the flu.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's that fine line, that balance.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you so you went to Mexico City. Did you did you know a gym up there or did you bring your camp up there?

Speaker 2 I was there in the UFC Performance Institute there.

Speaker 2 There's a new one. Nice.
Man, yeah.

Speaker 2 You have everything here in the Performance Institute, like regeneration, training, coaches,

Speaker 2 coaches with the pets.

Speaker 2 and so yeah I was there for

Speaker 2 especially for

Speaker 2 to work

Speaker 2 on on the things what I what I took from the last fight with Pereira

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 to work on on the hands up a little bit just a little bit a little bit

Speaker 1 but we were talking about it in the broadcast your hands down sometimes has a benefit there's a there's a real advantage to it because no one sees where those punches are coming from.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so for the people that don't know what I'm talking about, just punches, yeah, movement, movement, head movement.

Speaker 2 Your head movement was excellent. Everything.
Your head movement was excellent. And the feeling, feeling

Speaker 2 with the hands up is another one with that

Speaker 2 with the hands, with the hands down.

Speaker 2 Because this is your natural posture. Right.
Yeah. So you spend

Speaker 2 most of the time in this.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's about just

Speaker 2 feeling the space, feeling the... I can't explain to another person like this one because

Speaker 2 when I am in, in the flow, like you want to be, in the flow, in the fight,

Speaker 2 between the flow and uncomfortable,

Speaker 2 somewhere in the center.

Speaker 2 So when I... achieved this attitude that's why I don't need to keep my hands up because this for me means and for everybody that means defending.

Speaker 2 I don't need to defend myself when I see when I see everything, when I feel everything.

Speaker 2 But like I understand in this preparation,

Speaker 2 where I tried, where I did all the camp, hands up,

Speaker 2 like this gives you the calm. in a close distance.
In a close distance, it's not so

Speaker 2 sometimes it's not so smart to keep

Speaker 2 hands down.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I'm crazy enough to go through, to be in the moment, to stress my body so much in this situation, to see every movement, every start of the movement of my opponent, that I can react before his start.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the next level is to try to to

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 to read uh read

Speaker 2 the thinking of the opponent what he wants to do before he do that so

Speaker 2 so there is a many levels of of that so

Speaker 2 but sometimes I can't to explain that sometimes

Speaker 2 like in the second fight with Pereira I was a little bit punched

Speaker 2 in the end of the first round, so I stepped to the second round and I said to myself, I was too courageous and keep the hands down. So that's why it happened.

Speaker 1 Right, you should have been more defensive, maybe to recover.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 One thing you said after that fight, you said you have to evolve. And one thing that I saw in this last fight with Jamal Hill was evolution.
I really saw it. You really see it.
Like the counters,

Speaker 1 the head movement, and the counters were brilliant. There's one that I put on my Instagram stories.
It was so incredible.

Speaker 1 He threw a punch, you slid slightly out of the way, landed a straight left, and then the right hook that dropped him. But it was so dynamic.
It was so fast and precise.

Speaker 1 I was like, that's a different Yuri Prohaska. Like, your earlier fights.
Were always excellent. You always had amazing power and very unusual movement, very difficult to predict.

Speaker 1 But the sharpness of your counters was on another level in this fight.

Speaker 2 That's what I worked on. Yeah.
To be not just

Speaker 2 connect to the opponent and react what's happened right now, but

Speaker 2 a little bit

Speaker 2 be a little bit before what will happen. Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, you're definitely getting better, which is so fascinating. You know,

Speaker 1 you had a very brilliant approach. You waited until you had reached a certain level before you entered the UFC.
You could have been in the UFC years earlier.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2 And I have to say thank you to

Speaker 2 my coaches for that because

Speaker 2 we worked on my style. We are

Speaker 2 consulting, like communicate about that style, what to make a better,

Speaker 2 how to do that. that's why i'm keeping uh like my two coaches what i began with

Speaker 2 began with um

Speaker 2 like all the time with with me because i think

Speaker 2 that's that's the only thing you can go uh to be a master with in something to stay with uh with some people with some

Speaker 2 tight circle yeah tight circle in some and go deeper you can go really deep Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's also, I value loyalty. Loyalty is very important.

Speaker 2 And this is it. It means a lot.

Speaker 1 You know, and when people worked really hard to get you to a certain level, what I like is there's some coaches that they recognize that maybe there's other skill sets they can bring in, so they work with other people as well.

Speaker 1 You know, but always stay with the people that brought as long as the relationship is good. Always stay with the people that brought you to the game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sure, sure. Because in the end,

Speaker 2 you can change whoever, but you have to start again with the same people and go

Speaker 2 and again you will go to the same level, to the same problems with these people because

Speaker 2 it's not about them, it's always about you to recognize what's in you.

Speaker 1 How much tape do you watch? Do you watch a lot of film? Do you watch videos of fights?

Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe

Speaker 2 I was five days sick before before the fight, so so I just watched uh

Speaker 1 Spartans

Speaker 2 300.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 honkback, I watched Hongback one. Man,

Speaker 1 that's wild shit.

Speaker 2 Man, no, no wild shit, but my m I was really in inspired. I I I was really hungry for to to see something because long time I didn't see uh

Speaker 2 uh some good

Speaker 2 not good movie, doesn't matter if it's like good or new, but these old classics of the fighting Jean-Claude Vandam with kickboxer and all these things oh yeah that's what that's what

Speaker 2 made a spark in inside me to

Speaker 2 a true love for martial arts because they in the mo in that movies they live that really live that and have and and they have no other chance to to solve their problems just just by martial arts and something.

Speaker 1 So that's that's why I'm so you got inspired by movies. Yeah.

Speaker 2 do you watch a lot of films of fight footage like your fights your opponent's fights yeah yeah yeah but I don't need to I don't need many times to to study that I just need to like see once

Speaker 2 once I I just see the attitude like attitude of the start of the fight how he's fighting his

Speaker 2 how to say his spirit his mindset how he's thinking how is uh the start of moving of his body how he's reacting for not just for opponent, for the many situation, for sleeping and

Speaker 2 movement,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 everything, like a personal, and studying

Speaker 2 that guy.

Speaker 2 His energy.

Speaker 2 His energy, his vibe, how he's reacting, how he's react in

Speaker 2 in some situation like these eye pokes and all these things like some some breaks in the fight, every every time because it shows you

Speaker 2 how he

Speaker 2 have under control himself all the time, all the time.

Speaker 2 And this is something what Alex Pereira, I don't know what is his story behind,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 he have to, he handled that.

Speaker 2 He handled that and that's why he is how he is now. He's starting to be more relaxed.
And I wish him to

Speaker 2 stay sharp.

Speaker 1 Well, I think he's more relaxed outside the fight, but in the fight, he's always very calm. Yeah.
Very calm and very focused.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Did you watch your first fight with him before you watched the second before you have fought him the second time?

Speaker 2 Yes, sure, sure. Yeah, I I studied him a lot,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 the second fight I

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 I little push it too much Too aggressive? No, no, no. I mean, like training.

Speaker 2 After the fight, I was like, I want Alex Pereira.

Speaker 2 After I'm ready for him. Right now, I'm ready too, but I'm open for

Speaker 2 whoever will, UFC will give me like

Speaker 2 a next opponent to prove that I am. But I want a true challenge.
Like,

Speaker 2 I want a true challenge from the, I think, top five guys.

Speaker 1 Right. The interesting thing about the light heavyweight division is

Speaker 1 there's only about five really exciting contenders, four or five real exciting. There's not a deep pool of fighters that would be very interesting to see you fight.

Speaker 2 That's right, because there is a,

Speaker 2 like I said today,

Speaker 2 there's a few guys who

Speaker 2 really have the taste, have the drive to go to the top. I want to go to the top.
I want to take it. I have the I feel the energy of the crown and I can take it.

Speaker 2 So and

Speaker 2 that's why that's why I'm

Speaker 2 doing that. That's why I'm still talking about that to be there because

Speaker 2 I really feel that I can be the top and one thing what I needed is

Speaker 2 that I had to be stable

Speaker 2 stable

Speaker 2 to not just get to the top and back and out but to go to the top and know how how it is to be there

Speaker 2 know to

Speaker 2 to to keep the all these weights on the top

Speaker 1 what it what what there is yeah yeah defending the title is more difficult even than getting the title. And then it's improving while you're champion.

Speaker 1 You know, they say that Daniel Cormier always says that every champion improves significantly once they become champion because you have the confidence of being champion.

Speaker 1 And it's just how long can you maintain the kind of energy that's required to constantly get better? Because it's not just about maintaining, right? It's about constantly improving.

Speaker 1 Constant analysis of all your movements and what you're doing right and what your mistakes that were made and what the thought process was before the mistake and how to eliminate that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is something what

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 like I said the style of Japanese they they call that Kaizen. Yes.
Kaizen. Like daily improvements, small improvements, daily recognizing what's bad, what's good.

Speaker 2 And sometimes

Speaker 2 I feel like it's like a sick, like to be

Speaker 2 too much obsessed in that man. You need a a little break that's that's why I think the the life gave me this

Speaker 1 little break before a little flu yeah was that why you came in so light

Speaker 1 yeah yeah was that why that was that that was why I was watching a video with Luke Thomas was going over your performance Everybody was very impressed and he was as well.

Speaker 1 But one of the things that he was talking about was that you only weighed 208 pounds

Speaker 1 when you walked into the cage.

Speaker 2 I thought

Speaker 2 I will do my best when I will go to the sauna night before the waiting

Speaker 2 and spend there. And again, I I changed I switched myself in the sauna and I was there like for two hours.
Oh no. Like another just like fifteen minutes, fifteen, fifteen, like many rounds.

Speaker 2 Right, right, right. Two hours there.

Speaker 1 And do you do sauna cold or just sauna relax?

Speaker 2 Relax, relax. Okay.
Uh, no, no, no. Uh, sauna cold.
sauna, sauna and cold.

Speaker 2 Yes, sure. And cold normally, like the cold, cold punch.
I'm doing that daily because I have at home the cold punch. Yes.
And I'm using it. Yeah, they're fantastic.
Yeah. And but

Speaker 2 the fun is

Speaker 2 the second day after that, and I didn't drink anything

Speaker 2 after the sauna

Speaker 2 and next day morning I went I went to the to the control weight and then I have

Speaker 2 I don't know how to say in the libraries ninety one kilograms. I I'm fighting in I'm fighting in ninety-three right and half

Speaker 2 and I was two and a half kilogram under the my my weight.

Speaker 1 So it's like two hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 So yeah, so I was the only one guy who who was in uh row to the weights weighting and I and I tried to hide myself before other guys and and i drank one liter one liter of the of the water second liter of the water wow

Speaker 2 just because you didn't want to weigh in light because yeah i would because i spent too much time in a sauna man wow that's crazy because you only weighed 208 yeah i felt really

Speaker 2 like

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Fast. You look fat, like significantly.

Speaker 1 You've always been very fast, but you looked even faster.

Speaker 2 It's just all about this, man.

Speaker 2 Why,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 you can not just you want it like your ego just wants it, but you feel it like it's your destiny these moments and you

Speaker 2 it's yours. So then

Speaker 2 it will happen.

Speaker 1 So, do you feel like maybe even the fights with Pereira are a blessing and that it showed you what you need to work on?

Speaker 2 Every time it's this is the only way how to how I want to see that. Yeah, yeah, especially

Speaker 2 especially the

Speaker 2 guy like him, who's

Speaker 2 really top guy and his

Speaker 2 style, his

Speaker 2 mindset, what he showed till now was something what

Speaker 2 I needed to

Speaker 2 work on. Still, still I'm on I'm on the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, his style is extraordinary.
Um it's very unusual, as is yours. But the thing that's shocking the most about him is that he only needs to hit you once.

Speaker 1 He's is it much different, the power that you feel from him than anybody else?

Speaker 2 Mm.

Speaker 2 There is a difference from other guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there is a difference. But

Speaker 2 only one thing I can say, like,

Speaker 2 I know the

Speaker 2 recipe.

Speaker 1 You know the recipe?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's the recipe?

Speaker 2 What's the recipe? How to...

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 you have to know how to give the punch. and how to

Speaker 2 how to accept the punches how to move with how to move with it and

Speaker 2 how to overcome the bad moments and all these things. But it's better, much better, to defend the punch with a hand or defend

Speaker 2 the punch with a movement.

Speaker 1 Did you ever watch any of his glory kickboxing fights? Yeah. This is a good one to watch the Artem Vahitov fight.

Speaker 1 Because Vahitov's very technical.

Speaker 2 I think he won.

Speaker 1 He won a very close decision. It was very close.
It was one of those fights where you could call it either way.

Speaker 1 But he won. But he's very technical.
Very interesting to watch him deal with the style of Pereira. Because Pereira is such an unusual way of moving.

Speaker 1 Even the way he holds his hands up and he looks different. So do you.
You look different.

Speaker 1 There's only a few fighters that, if you saw their silhouette, I could go, oh, that's Yuri Prochaska. I could see it right away.
I know how you move.

Speaker 1 And Alex is that way as well. It's like a very unique way of moving.

Speaker 1 But his,

Speaker 1 the way Vahitov handled it is a good blueprint for a lot of people to avoid the power and keep the volume on him.

Speaker 1 What was your original style?

Speaker 1 What was the first martial art that you learned?

Speaker 2 Muay Thai. Muay Thai.
Yeah, I started

Speaker 2 in my high school. I started with karate because it was

Speaker 2 in a

Speaker 2 daily schedule.

Speaker 1 What kind of karate?

Speaker 2 Shotokan. Shotokan.
And Judo, there was two.

Speaker 2 And I felt like I need something more contact, more, more aggressive.

Speaker 2 So, not aggressive, but more. More potent.
More potent. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I started with Muay Thai.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the most potent.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Muay Thai is fascinating to me. That this one island figured out how to fight better than anybody on the feed.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 And a lot of it they did it through gambling. Yeah.
That's a lot of it. That's it.

Speaker 1 Because they're so into gambling that they had so many fights, and then people just fought a lot, and then they're like, What works best? And then they figured it out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and right now, after watching Ong Back,

Speaker 2 I'm just still realizing what is the

Speaker 2 best style, what is the best movements, best deadly techniques, what to do.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 right now, after I watch the Ongback, I see the Muay Boran, right, like

Speaker 2 my next chapter to what I want to see, real,

Speaker 2 real, like, in Thailand, to see really how to use that and how to, how to, because I'm the man who's like taking the piece here, taking the piece here, and making

Speaker 1 combining it all together.

Speaker 1 So, uh, do have you trained in Thailand?

Speaker 2 Thailand. In Thailand, yeah.
Yeah, just a little bit for for like

Speaker 2 three weeks there before

Speaker 2 the title fight with Teixeira.

Speaker 2 Then I was there for a camp. Yeah, Phuket, yeah.

Speaker 1 One of the

Speaker 1 one of the greatest knockouts that you had was that Dominic Rey is spinning elbow, which is beautiful Muay Thai. Flow.
That's

Speaker 2 beautiful flow.

Speaker 1 It's like you just timed that out. That was a real coming out party for you, that fight.

Speaker 2 Because that was when people were like, my God, like this this guy yeah always find a way yeah yeah

Speaker 1 when you

Speaker 1 first started fighting in MMA was this something first of all how old were you when you had your first fight oh

Speaker 2 when I was

Speaker 2 first fight in my 18 19

Speaker 1 and were you looking at it as a career yeah yeah right from the beginning

Speaker 1 Were you looking at it to do that was what you wanted to do professionally? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right away? Right away. Yeah, it's from my 20, 20,

Speaker 2 around my 20. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You knew you wanted to be a championship fighter.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes. Because that was something what

Speaker 2 I was too inspired by,

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 I was a young guy who tried to

Speaker 2 challenge everything around himself, everything.

Speaker 2 Every man, every situation, everywhere.

Speaker 2 I am better than this. I am better than this.

Speaker 2 Not the school.

Speaker 2 Just not in the school.

Speaker 2 But I like the fighting.

Speaker 2 I fall in love with the fighting, with

Speaker 2 looking for, finding my biggest strength. And

Speaker 2 that's why I'm...

Speaker 2 I'm going every time to the nature, to sleeping in the mountains, to

Speaker 2 that's why I'm living in the cottage, to be in the contact with the nature, to feel the present moment and rare

Speaker 2 natural power of

Speaker 2 the water, fire, of all these things of the sun.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. Like, when did you start this training in nature?

Speaker 1 Because when you look at your setup that you have at your place, and everything's outside, you know, you put pads over trees and you punch and kick trees.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sometimes it's sometimes

Speaker 2 looks weird, but

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 wow,

Speaker 2 I don't like to

Speaker 2 I don't like

Speaker 2 right now I realize I need to.

Speaker 2 Right now I want to overcome the people, the mans,

Speaker 2 the sparring partners in the training. But like in my personal way,

Speaker 2 I was inspired by

Speaker 2 once I was inspired by Masutatsu Oyama, who's the founder of Kyokushin Kaikarate.

Speaker 2 And I saw his movie and how he spent

Speaker 2 more than one year, one and a half years in the mountains. And he trained just in the mountains under the waterfall in the winter,

Speaker 2 in the winter. And

Speaker 2 he made from himself a really,

Speaker 2 really something like unshakable mind,

Speaker 2 self-confident,

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 deep because he

Speaker 2 he found a way how to overcome how to rule his body

Speaker 2 how to

Speaker 2 he's describing that in his book like

Speaker 2 the mind without the thinking

Speaker 2 like without the thoughts pure mind pure focus pure consciousness right here right now

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 took that uh like my own way

Speaker 2 and uh and I think it was year two fourteen, two fifteen and I took everything in myself. I s I took uh

Speaker 2 tent, tent, yeah, and I

Speaker 2 and I went to the to the mountains,

Speaker 2 to the mountains and I slept there for

Speaker 2 just for like one week, two weeks,

Speaker 2 one and a half weeks, yeah, and I i was inspired too much so i did the same thing i ran there and i punched to the to the rock and yeah

Speaker 2 and uh

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 and i just and i just want to fight with the environment like with the with the nature around me and

Speaker 2 in the end

Speaker 2 You can realize there is no fighting. There is nothing just this is the pure life because

Speaker 2 this is the pure life because the pure the life has the one reason to overcome everything around and

Speaker 2 survive survive survive survive and this is the this is the nature what is in us

Speaker 2 so this is

Speaker 2 and as deeper you can go in this uncomfortable environment and all these things

Speaker 2 that deep you can

Speaker 2 understand the life and like be a philosopher about that like understand understand more deeply and

Speaker 2 I don't know how to say yeah no you're saying it right yeah I understand what you're saying so that's why so I was inspired by the Masutatsu Oyama

Speaker 2 and that's why

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 decide after the second fight with Alex I need to go to Japan to Japan to the places to make a black belt from Kyokushinkai karate

Speaker 2 and really feel

Speaker 2 all these things

Speaker 2 like a realist realist not just think about that how it can be how how is this style can be but to live that that's it because i like like to take an inspiration and take it and go there uh

Speaker 2 fight that fight that guy uh

Speaker 2 live that experience yeah this is it this is yeah playoffs.

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Speaker 1 Well, you're obviously very physically talented, but I think one of the things that does separate you from other fighters is this mindset that you've cultivated and that you embrace. And I think

Speaker 1 it's also

Speaker 1 something fascinating about the fact that you do do it outside i think that scares people

Speaker 2 i think something about the fact that you like to be fighting in nature and punching trees like this because because i'm coming like from from uh from a from one village where was there a lot of like good guys

Speaker 2 But everybody,

Speaker 2 we are still really crazy. When we are celebrating, it's all the time about...

Speaker 2 right now we are trying to slow down to to show others like we are an adults like we we know we are the man but still it's about like the showing the the strength yeah how what to what to destroy how to

Speaker 2 how to punch other guy how to how to show this the strength above others yeah so

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 when when there was when there started

Speaker 2 on the okay, like I said,

Speaker 2 when on these parties started the level of like, it was really dangerous, a fire and

Speaker 2 firearms and

Speaker 2 the cars and

Speaker 2 fire and it was not safe. Then I said, guys,

Speaker 2 okay, we are a man. Let's be mature.
Let's, yeah, please.

Speaker 1 Yeah, take it down a notch. Because somebody could die.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's something what you have to realize. And this this sense of

Speaker 2 a looking for a strength, this

Speaker 2 something,

Speaker 2 this true madness. Like

Speaker 2 when I see these

Speaker 2 picture

Speaker 2 of that.

Speaker 2 And and it remembered me that when I saw that when I came here. The JRE logo.
Yeah, the logo. yeah and when I saw that it it remembered me like yes go through going through all the time

Speaker 2 choose the choose the hardest way and go through overcome whatever and show you are the you are the boss yeah and

Speaker 2 and this is

Speaker 2 this is it this is why

Speaker 2 I'm

Speaker 2 I came from that place where we are tried to to show each other this one and I trying to

Speaker 2 carry that energy and put it

Speaker 1 in the who in the calm way to to to show it in the in the cage and that's why the samurai ideas the bushido codecs helping me in that to to show it that's all I understand and and then you feel that in training in nature and then experiencing the wild and getting it out there, it becomes even more pure because you recognize that all around you is survival.

Speaker 2 Man.

Speaker 2 That's right. Yeah.
Yeah. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 You are on the wave now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We're on the same wave.
Yeah. So when, what year did you start doing this training in the wild?

Speaker 2 Like I said, in 2014.

Speaker 2 2014, yeah, like I was, I started, I was inspired by Masutatsu Oyama, and then I realized it's not about opponents, man, it's about just your body, just about rule your body, how much you can you can rule your body, rule your mind, rule your emotions, logical state of thinking, yeah, to

Speaker 2 find

Speaker 2 the way how to

Speaker 2 not overcome, how to rule your breath

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 this is this this is it, this is the way, and uh

Speaker 2 because this is the most primal thing of the body yeah first when the child is born like

Speaker 2 first is breath everything is like you can uh

Speaker 2 you can uh

Speaker 2 uh settle by by the breath in in the body

Speaker 2 not just by thoughts and over

Speaker 2 the thinking and thoughts is

Speaker 2 like uh a great

Speaker 2 uh serf, but a bad boss. Yeah, really.

Speaker 1 So it serves you well, but you can't let it control you.

Speaker 2 Yes. So there's many levels what you have to

Speaker 2 what you have to rule in your body, what you have to understand

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 put it in one way in the present moment.

Speaker 1 So you had your first fights when you were around 18, 19. Yep.
And then, how long, when did you decide that you were ready for the UFC and how did you make that decision?

Speaker 1 Because I do know that you were offered fights before, but you said I want more development time.

Speaker 2 That was

Speaker 2 somewhere in the center of

Speaker 2 between

Speaker 2 my sixth, seventh fight in Horizon.

Speaker 2 So, around the year 217, 2018. Yeah,

Speaker 2 something like that and uh

Speaker 2 yeah i realized that man there is a

Speaker 2 there is a way in the rising yet yeah so i need i need to know i need to i want to take a title here i wanna

Speaker 2 prove that i'm the

Speaker 2 how to say like the the king of japan like yeah to to rule rule these guys real

Speaker 2 really and uh then i can go to the to the League of the Best. Because if you want to go to the League of the Best, better to be prepared for.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that happens too often.

Speaker 2 That's why I

Speaker 2 can

Speaker 2 fight for a title in three fights.

Speaker 1 I think boxing has it right

Speaker 1 in that boxing, they look at fighters, managers look at fighters as an investment.

Speaker 1 So if you're a manager and you have like Floyd Mayweather, you don't give Floyd Mayweather the best fight you can get him right away with the toughest guy.

Speaker 1 You want to see how he performs with a guy who's an inside puncher, a body puncher, who's a brawler. You want to see how he handles a slick guy like Emmanuel Augustus with unorthodox movement.

Speaker 1 How's he handled Diego Corrales, long, tall reach? And you build them with fighters that you think you've got to know when they're ready.

Speaker 1 And then there's an objective assessment. Okay, he's ready.
Then you start moving him into top 10 contenders, then you move him to a title shot.

Speaker 2 UFC throws you right to the wolves.

Speaker 2 It's good to have this objective.

Speaker 2 And if you, if I like to be

Speaker 2 just a watcher of

Speaker 2 my progress, of the situation, think about that, how to plan it,

Speaker 2 how to see that,

Speaker 2 not personally, just to see yourself as another person

Speaker 2 and put it in myself in a way where

Speaker 2 it will be the best for

Speaker 2 these targets.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 go in and do that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And when

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 had a very quick rise in the UFC to a title fight, so you fought, was Volcan Ozdemir your first fight? Yeah. So you beat Volcanozdemir, then Dominic Reyes was the second fight.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And then, bam, title shot. Yeah, crazy.
So that's the reason to be so prepared. Yes.
Because if you're successful, things go very quickly.

Speaker 2 That's right. And you have to be ready.

Speaker 1 When you look at your first fight with Volcano, and then you look at your fight with Jamal Hill, do you see significant improvement?

Speaker 2 With who? The first one.

Speaker 1 When you look at your first fight in the UFC when you fought Vulcan Ozdemir, and now you look at yourself now in the most spectacular performance against Jamal Hill, do you see the improvement?

Speaker 2 Right now I can say yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because there was a

Speaker 2 with the volcano as the mirror there was a just a pure raw power raw raw the

Speaker 2 aggression aggression aggression but not so

Speaker 2 refined

Speaker 2 yeah yeah

Speaker 2 so yeah

Speaker 2 you can see that in the fight man there was there was just a pure

Speaker 2 chaos

Speaker 2 pure chaos man I was too too too much sometimes is the self-confident like when you are too much self-confident it's a bad thing yeah

Speaker 2 like because

Speaker 2 ego will took you to another another line and it will

Speaker 2 it will destroy you yeah it will burn you so you have to keep that burn that fire under control and to give the these

Speaker 2 these attacks these aggressive aggression aggressiveness

Speaker 2 in just a small

Speaker 2 to keep it under control, just a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like what you just said: that ego will take you to another line.

Speaker 2 Man, it's good to be,

Speaker 2 to have it.

Speaker 2 We can't live without in this world with cooperations, with collaboration, talking,

Speaker 2 relationships.

Speaker 2 You can't live without, but also you have to cultivate that.

Speaker 2 So, there is two worlds, worlds like yeah life without in life so you have to go in

Speaker 1 yeah they have to be working together the mind and the ego have to be working together and the no mind the zen that's right staying the flow

Speaker 1 yeah and the ego will take you out of the flow yeah the ego like i'm gonna go fuck him up and then boom you get hit That's right. Yeah, I like what you said though, about it.

Speaker 1 It takes you out of the line because it takes you into a different line. It takes you in a different line of fighting.
And then sometimes in that line, you'll realize you're out of place.

Speaker 1 You realize you're leaving openings that shouldn't be there and you're trying to force.

Speaker 2 Yeah, good force. Yeah, force and power.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And good when you said like when you realize that it's bad when you don't realize. And sometimes it's good when you have the people around you to to man bring you back.
Bring you back.

Speaker 2 And that's why I'm sometimes really glad for my team, my people around me to keep me back.

Speaker 1 That's what's amazing about having a coach who knows you, having trainers who know you.

Speaker 1 They know where you're at. Calm down, calm down.

Speaker 1 Everything's great, but you're hitting the gas too much.

Speaker 1 So be a little more technical, move around more.

Speaker 2 But not too much. Not too much, not too much.
That's right. Because sometimes it's this wildness, the aggression to

Speaker 2 take over. It's too necessary, but.

Speaker 1 Well, that's what I asked you after the fight. I said, there's something about you where you thrive.
You get better when it's chaotic.

Speaker 1 There's something like it seems like you relish in the chaos of these wild exchanges.

Speaker 1 It's very, because sometimes fighters like to piece people up where they're not getting hit. Like, Jamal Hill's really good at that.

Speaker 1 Like, the Glover Techera fight, he did a fantastic job of utilizing his game and his accuracy and reach, and he just put it on Glover.

Speaker 1 But they don't want to be in these wild exchanges. You seem to want to be in these wild exchanges because you thrive there.

Speaker 2 yeah that's right that's right and sometimes it's i don't know where where is the where it this

Speaker 2 to keeping yourself and the control is going from sometimes it's going from the fear to be not hit sometimes it's going from to be careful for the takedowns and

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 i want to be like fearless in that like to stay behind uh stay before the opponent

Speaker 2 and have no no fear no

Speaker 2 You can go as

Speaker 2 close as you want and try to hit me and you will not hit me because I'm here and I feel you.

Speaker 2 I got you.

Speaker 2 So I can't explain it and I don't want to explain it. I want to show that in a fight.

Speaker 1 I know what you're saying. When you,

Speaker 1 one of the things that we were talking about, Daniel and I were talking about when we were doing the commentary was your head movement was so good.

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Speaker 2 I have

Speaker 2 like long time I'm working on that like since my

Speaker 2 before I stepped in the UF no since my title finding

Speaker 2 I really I really exactly know what what's when I started to work on especially on that because I realized that this is my game, this is really what's me.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it was around the title fight with

Speaker 2 King Molaval in Rising. So, that was a title title fight in Rising.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's about the

Speaker 2 feeling, the opponent, the feel the opponent, but not be

Speaker 2 but to not be

Speaker 2 how to say

Speaker 2 to not let the f this feeling to

Speaker 2 to to

Speaker 2 to push you in some way you know understand to to feel the space but still be calm be

Speaker 2 unshakable and

Speaker 2 you can feel the the

Speaker 2 then you can feel the the space around you the everything

Speaker 2 and whatever will move right now you will react for that and

Speaker 2 naturally, because you will feel

Speaker 2 all these things like yours,

Speaker 2 like yourself,

Speaker 2 like everything is you.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 you can step to the level I am everywhere.

Speaker 2 Because there is no difference between me, this this thing, this thing, the opponent, but still, but still.

Speaker 2 And that's sometimes

Speaker 2 why I need to be a little bit hit to feel the aggression back to the fight.

Speaker 2 That was

Speaker 2 before the UFC. And I was needed to get hit because

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 felt the movement, felt the right movement, everything was right.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I also needed to be more aggressive to want it to go through the opponent.

Speaker 2 Because I was too, how to say, too nice too nice for them to just just just show them I can sleep and I can move everything you can you don't you can't hit me but it this is not the fight the fight is the answer to to catch him in in the right moment so

Speaker 2 so yes to be here and now to be like I said to be everything

Speaker 2 but still to not be

Speaker 2 pushed by this feeling like to be to be so nice, not too much aggressive, but something in the middle of still control. That it's all about control.
Balance.

Speaker 1 I like what you said, like that there's no difference between you and your opponent. Like you're not even, you're just in this flow of movement and life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And this thing you're choosing to do, there's no difference between you and them.

Speaker 1 You don't even exist. You're just a part of it all.

Speaker 2 Yes, and the bad is

Speaker 2 bad for fighting is when you really realized uh

Speaker 2 we are doing this we are doing

Speaker 2 we are fighting each other and right now I'm going to to hurt other person and you don't s d you don't see uh really the

Speaker 2 the difference between you and him. So you know you are doing to to yourself.

Speaker 2 But this is the game what we chose. right and we are here to to have a fun so

Speaker 2 not just have a fun to

Speaker 2 to live this experience

Speaker 1 to live this experience and an extreme experience that will teach you about yourself like no other experience yeah that's right there's if you want to learn about yourself go fight yeah you'll you'll really find out you can bullshit yourself all you want but until you fight that's right

Speaker 1 and when you go through a loss, like the loss is to Pereira,

Speaker 1 what is your process like of evaluating what went wrong and

Speaker 1 how to change things?

Speaker 2 What's wrong?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like how do you, what's your process? Like, what do you do when you lose a fight and then you come back? Like, what is your thought process? What do you say? I have to learn.

Speaker 2 I have to figure out what went wrong. Let me.

Speaker 2 After that

Speaker 2 second fight,

Speaker 2 first time time I can first time in my life I realized that man

Speaker 2 who that was really like

Speaker 2 I will not say what what was that how how hard it was because I don't like it but

Speaker 2 it was something what I didn't experience yet not not like till till till now

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 that time I really

Speaker 2 realized how powerful the meditation and the s true self-talking with

Speaker 2 true how the true meditation look like.

Speaker 2 Because I have no other chance

Speaker 2 than the start

Speaker 2 stop doing a bullshit, stop doing just pure

Speaker 2 inspirational training in the garden

Speaker 2 stop doing all the all these things and

Speaker 2 and start doing just

Speaker 2 things what's what really matter what can

Speaker 2 what have the a real effect

Speaker 2 how you can feel how you wanna be and

Speaker 2 yeah the power of true self-talking power of true

Speaker 2 overcoming the mistakes in the lot in uh in the life

Speaker 2 and be the boss of your mind because sometimes it's

Speaker 2 sometimes it's uh

Speaker 2 yeah, it was it was the next level, yeah, very difficult to recover from a loss like that. But you yeah, because especially when you lost like

Speaker 2 that was

Speaker 2 that was bad, yeah, that was for me

Speaker 2 like uh

Speaker 2 how to say it, like, like a man who likes the honor and

Speaker 2 all these codes, like from Bushido Moral Code, like, that was something that was for me

Speaker 2 really bad.

Speaker 1 He gotcha. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 That's how it goes. Man,

Speaker 2 you can say it like that, but I really

Speaker 2 work on every

Speaker 2 every move, every thought, every

Speaker 2 catching

Speaker 2 every move in the fighting. And now this happened.
That was not me.

Speaker 2 That was really...

Speaker 2 It was me. But, man, you showed yourself.

Speaker 2 You're worse to the world, man.

Speaker 1 But then you came after that and showed your best.

Speaker 1 So this is the thing about overcoming a loss like that, I'm sure it was awful, but because of it, the pain that you felt from it caused you to rise to another level.

Speaker 2 That's what is life about, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm still, yeah, you need the challenge.

Speaker 1 You need Tong Po, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, no,

Speaker 2 that's right. And

Speaker 2 how I see this world,

Speaker 2 and this is what I wanted to speak with you.

Speaker 2 What is here right now, the

Speaker 2 true challenges in this world, in this age,

Speaker 2 like in a human's life,

Speaker 2 what is there?

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 how I see that, like, there is not too much thing, what we,

Speaker 2 not too much, there is a lot, but still we can go.

Speaker 2 Right now, we have to go to another level because there is too much of the

Speaker 2 of the of the comfort life

Speaker 2 of the of the people because like that you can have the food like that you can have a drink uh a massage uh every

Speaker 2 everything so there is

Speaker 2 there is no

Speaker 2 no price

Speaker 2 like i see in the young people what they want to pay to achieve some really achieve something because yeah they just want things handed to them.

Speaker 1 That's it. Yeah, this is an entitlement era because things are very easy.
And when things are easy, it's very difficult to develop character.

Speaker 1 That's why, for young people, I always tell them you should choose to do something hard. Choose to do something hard for your human development, for you as a human being.

Speaker 1 Because if you just live your life in comfort, you will have a terrible life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think,

Speaker 2 and only one reason, only one thing what I realized, like, maybe, maybe

Speaker 2 the one,

Speaker 2 one,

Speaker 2 one thing, the step up will be like

Speaker 2 take us to step back and understand the true life.

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 1 I think we'll realize that the people that live this way are living disastrous lives, and people will learn from that mistake because this level of comfort that most people have is very new historically.

Speaker 1 It's very new in human history. There's never really been a time where the poor people were fat.
That's right. right.
This is a weird time.

Speaker 2 That's right, yeah.

Speaker 1 The poorest amongst us have no worries about

Speaker 1 starving to death. They're in America.
They're fat. It's more common than not.
I think some crazy number of people in this country are obese. What was the number? It was like 60%?

Speaker 1 60% of people are obese? Something crazy like that, which is just nuts. And it's too easy.
It's too easy to exist.

Speaker 1 And I don't mean it's too easy, like you don't have to work, and I'm sure everybody has to work, and your work sucks, and it's hard, and you got to get up every day.

Speaker 1 But physically, you have to do something to test your will and your discipline. And if you don't, you're going to have a shitty life.
That's right.

Speaker 2 That's right. That's right.

Speaker 1 And you won't be able to control yourself in situations that require you to stay calm.

Speaker 2 I think right now it's up to, like it was in every culture, up to the old, older, older people to teach the younger into real life, to tell them

Speaker 2 like the simply tell them the stories listen the stories yeah

Speaker 2 live the true life man because we are forgot forgotting for all these things because we have the phones and

Speaker 1 this is the fake lives it's a fake life it's a fake life and it's bad for you it's bad for your development it'll hinder your potential like whatever you want to do in life if you want to be an artist if you want to be a musician whatever you want to be you want to be an author it will hinder your development if you live the comfort life.

Speaker 2 And okay, so this is it. Yeah, and how you how you see the like in the 10 years, in the 50 years, in the 100 years, what's the next step for the

Speaker 2 right now? I'm

Speaker 2 trying to

Speaker 2 lead you in some way, but no, this is your podcast. So

Speaker 2 I'm curious about that because

Speaker 2 I'm

Speaker 2 trying to,

Speaker 2 this is my

Speaker 2 This is my true motivation, the human evolution, the evolution of myself,

Speaker 2 how to fight better, how to overcome the opponent better, how to show him

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 I am everywhere and you have no chance around me, please

Speaker 2 keep,

Speaker 2 hold your head down and tell the other I'm I'm the winner.

Speaker 2 You know, this is like, yeah, my ego

Speaker 2 wants this, but the way to this, there is, but still, in some humble way, humble way, to show it like

Speaker 2 peacefully. Show it.
Show it like.

Speaker 1 Show violence peacefully.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was nice seeing you and Jamal Hill out after the fight having a drink together. That was nice to see.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I bought him the, like, my original drink what i'm drinking the vodka vodka soda lime

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 i told him like uh

Speaker 2 we fight together we drink together let's go let's go for that

Speaker 2 yeah because

Speaker 2 man we are everybody we are we are one in in the end there is no enemy even if you even with with your the baddest enemy of the world

Speaker 2 man it was a good life it was a good fight

Speaker 2 let's drink together let's celebrate together that's all was it cool was it cool hanging out with him that was that was cool that's something what

Speaker 2 what what i like to to do with my opponents

Speaker 2 whoever won law you you win you lose whatever yeah

Speaker 1 that's great yeah it was just it's always nice to see this one thing that people really do love about a great fight is afterwards when the guys hug Yeah, but still,

Speaker 2 still,

Speaker 2 I don't like to speak about opponent in some way, in some bad way, before the fight. Right.
And after fight, change it. Like, it's not exist.

Speaker 2 And right now we are the friends and everything good, man.

Speaker 2 Please.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's be honest. You talk a shit about me.
Talk a shit about me. Okay, so you are the motherfucker, but doesn't matter.
Let's drink together. You are who you are.
I am who I am.

Speaker 2 Let's drink together. But

Speaker 2 stay honest. Right.
Man.

Speaker 2 That energy. Man.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because

Speaker 2 that's why I like to keep

Speaker 2 the same word, same attitude before the fight.

Speaker 2 In the preparation and after the fight, in the fight, after the fight, all the time, like the same. That's me.

Speaker 2 And I want want to show me, not me before and me after.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of guys, just for the sake of promotion, they talk a lot of shit and they're just trying to stir things up and make the fight more exciting by insulting people, insulting their families.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it gets very ugly. And I think the audience turns on them over that.

Speaker 1 And one of the things that's shown with your success and your popularity and guys like Alex is that you don't even have to speak English. Like, it doesn't matter if you kick ass.

Speaker 1 I mean, if it doesn't matter, you could talk all the shit you want, get everything hyped up. What really matters is how you perform inside the octagon.

Speaker 1 When you perform inside the octagon, like Alex has, like you have,

Speaker 1 it doesn't, there's no need for shit talking.

Speaker 1 People love you, and they love you just by the style of your fighting and you're expressing your soul inside that cage, like who you are as a man inside that cage.

Speaker 1 You don't have to talk shit about someone's wife or all that crap.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's why many people around me, like my manager team, try to be more

Speaker 2 focused for a promo and all these things.

Speaker 2 Man,

Speaker 2 the fight will do the promo. This is the main thing of everything.

Speaker 2 Not selling this thing, this thing, this, this, giving the

Speaker 2 main thing is the

Speaker 1 the fight the performance the performance that's what kind of drives me crazy about um

Speaker 1 when championship level fighters have to do a lot of promotion before the fight i'm like man leave that guy alone what's really important is how he's going to perform if you want to promote it have a bunch of people like me or you know daniel cormier or chaleson have people talk about the fight hype the fight up you don't have to bother this guy at seven o'clock in the morning and talk to him for an hour about some fucking nonsense that's what i like leave him alone yeah that's what i like on ufc they are focused for performance that's great every time and no talking before no one fight other fight no special promo before the yeah like

Speaker 1 afterwards do interviews like right now afterwards relax but when leading up to the fight the most important thing is that you're 100 prepared and anything that distracts from that should be eliminated that's right that's right that's right and yeah

Speaker 2 And many, many, many

Speaker 2 fighters are, yeah,

Speaker 2 like focus for.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Still,

Speaker 1 there are things about shit talking that I do like. And what I do like is that,

Speaker 1 first of all, it gets a lot of people excited about it, which makes me happy because I want more people to watch the sport. But also, there's a psychological aspect, especially Conor McGregor.

Speaker 1 He's so good at talking shit that he gets people so angry that, like, when he fought Jose Aldo, for instance, like no one had ever treated Jose Aldo any way other than with respect.

Speaker 1 He was one of the greatest champions. He's an elite fighter.
He defended his title multiple times. He destroyed his division.
Yes.

Speaker 1 But you could tell that all that shit talking from Connor had an effect on him emotionally. And I think his ego made him go out of line.

Speaker 1 So he ran right at Connor and tried to hit him, and Connor stepped back and cracked him. He was so energetic.

Speaker 1 Now imagine if instead, if Jose Aldo fought that fight and dragged it into the fourth and fifth round and started using the leg kicks that he used on Uriah Faber and started like picking him apart from be careful in the beginning, but stay inside the game plan, stay inside, fight the best of your ability.

Speaker 1 Don't get emotional.

Speaker 1 That could have been a very different fight.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 But that's the weapon, the weapon of shit talking.

Speaker 2 And especially if you know how to use that. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He uses it better than anybody. He gets people so mad.

Speaker 2 That's right. That's right.
But still, it's a big weight. Yes.
It's a big weight. What you need to

Speaker 2 handle, what you know

Speaker 2 how to handle that.

Speaker 1 Well, it's also that big weight weighs on you as well. It doesn't just weigh on your opponent.
When you talk a lot of shit, it puts extra weight on you. And it gets that can get you out of line.

Speaker 1 The additional pressure, you might hear the audience boo when they introduce you. You're like, oh shit, what have I done?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that's right. Not everybody has the these these these uh big self-confidence to to

Speaker 2 to keep that, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's um, it's an interesting aspect, but I don't like uh if I've had to choose one way or the other, I would say just fight. There's no need to talk shit.
We should behave like martial artists.

Speaker 2 You know, my my uh attitude about that is

Speaker 2 a true self-confident man, a true,

Speaker 2 a a true man who overcome

Speaker 2 and understand his body, his mind, his the opponent's mind and body and his mind don't need to

Speaker 2 he

Speaker 2 that guy don't need to to talk shit talk shit to

Speaker 2 doesn't matter to to up to to to to show that to others right to to the crowd or to to to fear the opponent

Speaker 2 because why

Speaker 2 I know that and all

Speaker 2 I don't need to

Speaker 2 to to make a this show to anybody because I know it I know what what what will happen I have this self-confidence so the thing about talking shit though it does make you more money

Speaker 1 because it does it does cause more people to pay attention like a good example of someone who doesn't need to talk shit but talks a lot of shit and becomes successful is Gordon Ryan you know Gordon Ryan the jiu-jitsu champion that's his belt up there that's his abu dhabi belt belt.

Speaker 1 Gordon talks a lot of shit. And he's the greatest of all time.

Speaker 1 And he still talks a lot of shit. That's him.
But that's also why he's so popular. Yeah.
It's because people talk shit back to him, and there's a lot of back and forth on social media.

Speaker 2 The most important thing is to be

Speaker 2 him.

Speaker 2 To be not like to play it. Right.
To play, to be true. Right, right.

Speaker 2 To be true yourself. Right.

Speaker 2 When you are like that,

Speaker 2 okay, be a bad guy or whatever, but just show yourself. That's it, right? Who are you for real?

Speaker 1 Express who you are in there, and you might not even like who you are after it.

Speaker 2 That's right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, a lot of guys, that aggression, especially after a loss, it leads them to a place where they're like, I don't even like how I behave.

Speaker 1 I don't even like me, especially with the bad feelings of a loss.

Speaker 1 So, when you have all this aggression and shit talking, and then a loss, and a bad loss, and you have this feeling of like, I was an asshole and I lost.

Speaker 2 And the crowd cheered when I lost like fuck yeah yeah yeah but that's the game they play though that's the that's the game and this is something what what is for me

Speaker 2 I can't forget like for myself because I want to show really true myself so I can't talk shit and

Speaker 1 yeah you've got to be yourself yeah that's me that's yeah you can't especially now if you try to become an asshole now everybody would be confused like what what's going on?

Speaker 2 If you took a heel turn, I am an asshole.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 so big ones, so I need to keep myself so straight.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I can't do that because

Speaker 2 that will be just...

Speaker 2 Like I said, ego line. I will show you just this one line.
No, I need to show you the the center.

Speaker 2 You need to be pure.

Speaker 1 You need to be you with no bullshit. And that's how you perform at your best.
So after a fight like this, there was a lot of special.

Speaker 1 I brought back to the Luke Thomas video. He was saying, like, you could be the middleweight champion.

Speaker 1 Like, if you made 2-0, you fought at 208, like, that's a lot lighter probably than Drekis 2 Plus C. Drekis is huge.
I look at him. I was like, how does Drekis make 185? He's so big.

Speaker 1 Have you thought about that? I know there was some talk about that at one point in time.

Speaker 2 Yes,

Speaker 2 I thought about that.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 the main thing for me is right now I see the way in light heavyweight because I'm this

Speaker 2 m one of the strongest guys in

Speaker 2 this division

Speaker 2 and I still feel like there is a way in

Speaker 2 light heavyweight.

Speaker 2 And I said to myself, like,

Speaker 2 okay,

Speaker 2 you can go to the middle weight, but first

Speaker 2 show

Speaker 2 the consistency in light heavyweight. Take a belt, then you can,

Speaker 2 with a bout from light heavyweight, you can fight for the belt from for middleweight in the middleweight.

Speaker 1 To be a double champion.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 you know, it's interesting because weight cutting is, in my opinion, the worst aspect of the sport. Josh Barnett was just talking about this.

Speaker 1 He was on the Ariel Halmani show and he was talking about the dangers of weight cutting in reference to Armand Sarukians having to pull out of that fight. Armand is big.

Speaker 1 He's big. When I stand next to him, I cannot believe he makes 155.
He's very muscular, very dense, and very lean. And so for him to make 155, it must be an absolutely brutal wake cut.

Speaker 1 I got to think he weighs 180 easy. Maybe more.
You know, he's big. And I think off when he's out of camp, I bet he weighs closer to 200.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's fucking thick, man.

Speaker 2 So for a guy, why do they do that? Why they don't fight in

Speaker 2 higher weight classes?

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Speaker 1 Thing is, at that weight class, Islam Makashev is so fucking good and he's so big. He's another one.
You stand next to him, you're like, how the fuck does this guy make 170?

Speaker 1 And he was actually talking about his first fight with Alexander Volkanovsky.

Speaker 1 And one of the problems that he faced was that the fight was very early Australia time so that it could be on pay-per-view in America. So he was getting ready at 5 a.m.

Speaker 1 So he did not have the time to recover from the weight cut from the previous day.

Speaker 1 So instead of having a full 24 plus hours, so if you're weighing in at 10 o'clock in the morning now, is it what time do you weigh in? What time did you weigh in in Los Angeles? 8.

Speaker 2 8 in the morning.

Speaker 1 8 in the morning. So 8 in the morning, and then you have a full 36 hours plus before you fight, which is plenty of time to recover and rehydrate.

Speaker 1 But he did not get that with the Volkanovsky fight, and you saw it in his performance. He didn't look as good.

Speaker 2 And because he's fucking big, man.

Speaker 1 So he's, I think weight cutting should be eliminated. I said this to Ari Emanuel when they first bought the UFC.
I said, listen, man, you know what you should do? Get rid of weight cutting to stop it.

Speaker 1 It's not, look, if you can randomly test people for drugs, you can randomly test their weight. Show up with the scale.
Hey, buddy, step on the scale. You're 190 pounds.

Speaker 1 How the fuck are you making 145?

Speaker 2 Like, do something like that. That's right.

Speaker 1 And come up with more weight classes. There should be a weight class every 10 pounds.
This idea of these giant gaps, like 185 to 205, that's a 20-pound gap. That's huge.
That doesn't exist in boxing.

Speaker 1 That's right. They should have every 10 10 pounds: 85, 95, 205, 225, and then unlimited.
Instead of 265, let them weigh whatever the fuck they weigh.

Speaker 1 These got giant guys out there that can't fight in the UFC because they can't make 265, which is kind of crazy. Right? Like

Speaker 1 Bigfoot Silva, when he was at his prime, when he was saucy, he was like 300 pounds. It was fucking huge.

Speaker 2 So I like the way the open weights, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, open weight, not 265. Let Francis Ngana weigh whatever the fuck he weighs when he doesn't cut weight.
He probably weighs like 290.

Speaker 1 Instead of having weight cuts, just take the champions, find out what the champion weighs. Like, don't get rid of the championship belts.
Find out what does Islam Makachev weigh?

Speaker 1 Islam Makachev is a UFC champion, best pound-for-pound fighter on earth. Find out what he weighs.
What do you weigh if you were healthy, if weight cutting didn't exist? Would it be 185? Okay. 190?

Speaker 1 Whatever that is. That's how you fight now.
And we're not going to weigh you in the day before and let you rehydrate. That's crazy talk.
Fight people your size.

Speaker 1 And also, the fights would be better because too many guys get depleted horribly by these weights. Like Max Holloway said he would never make

Speaker 1 145 again after he fought Ilya Toporia. He's like, I can't do it anymore.
Because he had gone up to 55, he got thicker, and then he went back to 45. He's just drained.
He just wasn't himself.

Speaker 1 He didn't look good.

Speaker 1 So I think that would be, and I know this is not an easy thing to do, but I do think it's just like getting steroids out of fighting.

Speaker 1 When they brought in USADA, when USADA came in, you saw people's physiques melt.

Speaker 1 You saw people that were doing steroids on a regular basis and gaming the system and testing negative on the day of the fight, but all throughout their camp they were using.

Speaker 1 You saw their bodies change. They had started looking like doughy and flabby because they didn't have any testosterone anymore because they had fucked up their endocrine systems.

Speaker 1 Instead of allowing that, they brought in USADA, and USADA started randomly testing, and a lot of people fell off. Great champions fell off.
Guys like Vitor Belfort fell off.

Speaker 1 Great, great fighters who, when they were using, were unbelievably good, but then as soon as they had to be natural, okay, so we realized that we're going to have to sacrifice some fighters for that.

Speaker 1 This is the same approach that should be made with weight cutting. Weight cutting should not exist.
It's terrible for you. It's unnecessary.
It's not necessary.

Speaker 1 It's just sanctioned cheating that we've done forever. If you're telling me that Alex Pereira, when he fought Israel Adasania, he weighed 185 one day and 226 the next day.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 2 That's not a good idea. And it's not a slight against Alex because Alex is willing to fight heavyweight.

Speaker 1 He's willing to fight what he weighs.

Speaker 1 Weight cutting is something that exists.

Speaker 1 It's sanctioned. They allow it to happen.
They know what's going on, and it's cheating. That's right.
They're not really 170 pounds. That guy's 195.

Speaker 1 He's depleted and dried out, and then he's going to swell back up again, and he's going to look huge the next day.

Speaker 2 Like trickus. Everything is evolving.

Speaker 1 Yes, they should evolve that because for the safety of the fighters, for the safety of the fighters, it's not good to dehydrate your brain 24 hours before a cage fight.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 It's dumb.

Speaker 1 But nobody's going to listen to me. Nobody listens to me, Yuri.
Nobody.

Speaker 2 Maybe off to DCI.

Speaker 1 I don't think they should even have cages. I think it should be an open floor.
I think it should be an open floor like a basketball court.

Speaker 2 Because I think it was the best, yeah.

Speaker 1 The cage allows you to get up when you wouldn't ordinarily be able to get up. You could walk, wall, walk, get the cage allows someone to press you up against an unnatural object.
There's a cage there.

Speaker 1 So you could press a guy up against a cage. Whereas if you were standing in the center, you could do Muay Thai sweeps.

Speaker 1 You could rotate around each other, there'd be more action, there'd be more movement.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 I also think if someone takes you down at the beginning of the first round, at the end of the round, you're on your back, you start that second round in the same position.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you see that, like, yeah, I have the similar, similar rate of the fighting.

Speaker 2 First, I thought, like,

Speaker 2 why there is a ruse, why there is a

Speaker 2 eye poke is not allowed. So I'm glad for after this last fight, it's not allowed.
It shouldn't be allowed, but it's very effective.

Speaker 1 Man, yeah, but

Speaker 2 show all your

Speaker 2 weapons of your body how you can defeat this man. That's all.

Speaker 2 One against one. That's all.

Speaker 1 Yes, one against one. That's all.
And the minimal amount of rules possible. You know what another thing that I think they should do, and I'm going to talk to Dana about this this week?

Speaker 1 Cover the fingers. There's no reason to have these fingers exposed.
It doesn't help anything.

Speaker 2 It doesn't help grappling.

Speaker 1 You never grapple like this, right?

Speaker 1 You never use the fingers.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. Nobody does.

Speaker 1 You do this. Yes.

Speaker 2 Or you do this.

Speaker 1 Yes. Or you do different things with your hands, but your fingers

Speaker 2 close. Still the feeling.
Still the feeling.

Speaker 1 I understand. But the problem is the pokes.
Because everybody does this because you're used to sparring with gloves on.

Speaker 2 So allow the eye pokes.

Speaker 2 Man, everybody,

Speaker 2 you know what will happen?

Speaker 2 Everybody will be

Speaker 2 more prepared for for eye post for not for eye post for every possible attack for an eye because eyes is is the weapon too for my

Speaker 2 vulnerable especially i i can i can speak about that because i'm using that like uh i see

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 i know what you're saying maybe maybe it's weird yeah man the problem is you don't want people to go blind like michael bisping can't see out of his right eye yep you know and that i just i feel like for the sake of the athlete's future everybody will took every fucking sorry every f every

Speaker 2 every fight every fight so seriously so preparation will be so

Speaker 2 and every uh people in the crowd will watch that with the

Speaker 2 man

Speaker 2 in this fight

Speaker 2 there can happen something what after that fight we we will not can nobody can change right right so we will like the fighters we will uh sp

Speaker 2 speak better,

Speaker 2 uh, perform better, train better, be prepared to die. Right.
And not like uh just in our mind, just to die to show the best performance, like uh like um I mean that like philosophically, like uh

Speaker 2 you have to stop thinking and be in the moment and all the all these things. Right.
But like

Speaker 2 but that's what that's we are right now speaking like about

Speaker 2 ancient fights, like about the fight for a life. Real fight.
Yeah, real fight.

Speaker 1 No rules at all. Do you think maybe get rid of cups too and allow kicks of the balls? That's real.
It's a real target. It's a vulnerability of the human body.

Speaker 1 To ignore vulnerability of these human body.

Speaker 2 It sounds weird, especially in this age of the full of laws and all these things.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 that's

Speaker 2 how I see that. We are living in the age where the

Speaker 2 laws and the system is working. So

Speaker 2 we have to put some system on the fighting too.

Speaker 1 Eddie Bravo actually came up with an idea. He was joking around, but he wanted to call it ultimate sack fighting.
where you would allow to kick a guy in the balls and that your balls would be exposed.

Speaker 1 So it was like when the balls are in play, the game changes. And the idea was that your balls are so vulnerable, but yet you cover them like a tie cup, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then if they didn't, if the balls were hanging out, like your chin is hanging out, that it would change everything.

Speaker 1 He was just joking around. It was very funny that the guy who would win would just have like iron balls.

Speaker 1 But nobody has iron balls. I mean, the human body has

Speaker 1 the eye pokes and ball shots.

Speaker 2 You didn't saw

Speaker 2 the monks. Yeah,

Speaker 2 how were they kicking?

Speaker 1 I don't understand that. I think they're just hitting each other in the taint.
I think their balls are tucked up. I think otherwise, it doesn't make any sense that you could just slam your foot.

Speaker 1 Because also, the way they're doing it, the monks, they're kicking up. They're kicking up.
I think they're just slamming their shin into the instep into the taint.

Speaker 2 Yes. It's not really the balls.

Speaker 2 Like, if you front kick that monk in the balls, just front snap.

Speaker 1 He would fall down dead.

Speaker 2 He'd be like, ah, like, what happened? I thought you had iron balls.

Speaker 1 Nobody has iron balls. Nobody has iron eyeballs either.
You know, the problem with eyeballs is, yeah, these guys. Yeah, see how he's doing that?

Speaker 2 He's getting kicked. He's getting kicked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's getting kicked in a taint. His balls, I can even see the way his sack has pulled up.
See that little thing that he's got on there?

Speaker 2 But still, he's red. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He probably has little balls too, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 It's stupid.

Speaker 1 Either way, that's stupid.

Speaker 1 If that was the only way, like if you could train that way, and you know, like a lot of the Thais, they kick banana trees and kick sandbags. You know, we have a sandbag out there.

Speaker 1 It's so brutal to kick. But if you do that enough, you'll develop those micro fractures on your shins, and it'll make your shins much tougher.
You can't make your balls tougher.

Speaker 1 You can't make your balls tougher.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I think there is no

Speaker 2 reason to. This guy just punched himself in the dick.
Reason to.

Speaker 2 This is so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 This is so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 This guy's using take. Oh, no.

Speaker 2 Fuck me.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 2 Don't do it. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 He's getting slammed in the nuts by a log. These guys just hit each other in the balls.

Speaker 1 But again, I think if you stepped to one of those guys and front snap kicked him right in the balls, they did fall down. This is stupid.

Speaker 2 You know what? What I realized when I saw the like a lot of masters of

Speaker 2 a lot of masters of these kung fu doing this weird stuff and and all these things

Speaker 2 so there is a way to

Speaker 2 like about obsession of the of the martial arts of the sh doing something in in your life to the deepest level but still

Speaker 2 this is a fighting yeah about the this is about the win

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 I don't know if this

Speaker 2 will can can will help you to really defeat the

Speaker 2 especially this is just defense. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay, so you are the preferred prepared to defend your your boss and

Speaker 2 so man really like think about it like in real don't don't be don't don't give it too much on these on these side of an art of the like just doing uh

Speaker 2 it's good to know one thing, one, two, right, one, two, really, really deeply so you can time that, timing that in every situation to know how to what how to do this movement in every situation. But

Speaker 1 these movements they're not an effective use of your time, yes, yeah, it's not going to help you be a better fighter.

Speaker 1 It's there's a lot of ancient movements that are probably good for the development of your consciousness, and they're probably good overall for for your ability to be a better martial artist because they teach you certain movements, which are almost like a form, like kata.

Speaker 1 A lot of people talk about forms, and they say it's a waste of time, but I think it's a moving meditation. I used to think it was a waste of time when I was a young man.

Speaker 1 Everything is when I got my black belt, I just learned the kata's, and then afterwards, I had forgotten them.

Speaker 1 As soon as I just learned them so that I could pass the next test, and then once I knew all the forms and the katas, I didn't care anymore. I just wanted to fight.
So, like,

Speaker 2 but all these moves they're important are written in in your in your body in your maybe maybe you don't realize that yet

Speaker 2 but in uh hardest situation in uh

Speaker 2 maybe there will

Speaker 1 one move will right wow will will jump up and bomb because you've trained your system you've trained your system about those things like the neo in the matrix man yeah i know the kung fu i know kung fu yeah yeah they think they're going to be able to do that now this is a they i was just reading an article about that and they were comparing it to Neo and the Matrix.

Speaker 1 They think they're going to be able to download skills into people's brains. Man, it's which sucks.

Speaker 2 This is no, but it sucks because

Speaker 1 I want them to learn the way you learned.

Speaker 2 I think, no, man, there is

Speaker 2 the ego, the force.

Speaker 2 The force. We will do that by,

Speaker 2 I will take it, and this, there it is, me, Dimitri.

Speaker 2 Just Dimitri.

Speaker 2 Dimitri, hey.

Speaker 2 And instead of like to take a take a find a real snake and

Speaker 2 whatever,

Speaker 2 I cannot describe on the snake.

Speaker 2 I know what you're saying.

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Speaker 2 You will take some information and by the force, you will give it in yourself

Speaker 2 to I don't know which form you you meant

Speaker 2 like like

Speaker 2 the matrix we spoke

Speaker 1 let's Google that because they were Jamie will find the article

Speaker 2 Maybe like Elon Musk have that

Speaker 1 neuralink

Speaker 1 or something or something like that I don't think it was that invasive I think it was it was some other technology that they think they're gonna be able to utilize.

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That's crazy.

Speaker 2 Okay, and

Speaker 2 this is the one, one side.

Speaker 2 The second side,

Speaker 2 how I'm taking that,

Speaker 2 is about, right now I have no antina,

Speaker 2 but it's not about just about the hair. it's about uh

Speaker 2 to be open to be connect with the

Speaker 2 with the consciousness and there

Speaker 2 I don't know how it working but it's working to be just connected for

Speaker 2 all the information what's whatever happened and will happen

Speaker 2 is there in this moment right here right now and

Speaker 2 it's just about the state if you are if you can be

Speaker 2 really connect for that because I don't know where

Speaker 2 many moves I didn't

Speaker 2 rehearse them I didn't train they just came out

Speaker 2 they just came out yeah and in the fighting in the fight and I don't know I don't know where and I didn't train spinning elbow never really no never man really I didn't train that never

Speaker 2 crazy And just follow.

Speaker 1 You just saw it.

Speaker 2 It was just there. I just following the flow,

Speaker 2 following the moment. Because there is one elbow.
Okay.

Speaker 2 You have the... And it's going really slow.
You have a second. Here it is.
Yeah, you have the second elbow. Let's see it here.
Use that. Boom.
Boom.

Speaker 2 And between one and second one, there was a long conversation of you can do that, try to do that. Okay, I don't believe that.
No, do that, please. And

Speaker 1 this was such a phenomenal exchange.

Speaker 1 People love that antenna, too. They love that crazy hair.
Are you going to bring that back?

Speaker 1 I liked you like this.

Speaker 2 Man, I streamlined.

Speaker 1 The thing I'm worried about that antenna, like, that could get caught in something. The what? It could get caught.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're in a submission situation and you know how people grab shorts, I don't think anyone should wear shorts either. I think you should wear tight shorts.

Speaker 2 Maybe I can grab it like that in some choke. You could.
Yeah, you could.

Speaker 1 You know what? You could, and it would be legal.

Speaker 2 Dominic Reyes caught me in a guilotina, in Gilotina, and I was there, and I said, My fuck, man, I have the hair, big fucking hair. I can't

Speaker 2 give the

Speaker 2 heads up. So

Speaker 2 that was the problem. Yeah,

Speaker 2 in the moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think shaved is better for you, but it looks cool.

Speaker 2 And that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Like, it's not about right now, I feel like, no, it's not about the hair, it's not about

Speaker 2 anything, it's just about

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 to ex how to say to to be there, be here and now. That's all, that's yeah, that's all what no bullshit, just be in the moment, especially right now.

Speaker 1 You have all this momentum on your side because of that spectacular victory, so you must be very energized right now, you must be really feeling like you're on the right path.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but still, this is uh

Speaker 2 uh, this state and this feeling have the two sides, yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's why I

Speaker 2 because I know how how it is to be a champion, how is this all this feeling

Speaker 2 and still

Speaker 2 uh how is uh what is the

Speaker 2 to not be the champion, to to really uh lost like uh like a sh like like a shit

Speaker 2 fall fell fell on the ground like a shit after f

Speaker 2 and uh

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 I realized that uh it's about

Speaker 2 to be just here right now to be just here right now in this moment and show true yourself right not playing not

Speaker 2 you don't do stupid shit don't do uh

Speaker 2 don't have the war hair be angry be no just be

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 2 Show your true self. That's it.
That's all.

Speaker 2 And that's what I like on the States, on America. Like they

Speaker 2 everywhere, like they are

Speaker 2 okay with that, to show yourself, true yourself. And we, in Europe, we have some special, special thinking about America.

Speaker 2 Like there is something,

Speaker 2 something better than

Speaker 2 something better than

Speaker 2 everywhere.

Speaker 2 And you

Speaker 2 here, just

Speaker 2 pushing more

Speaker 2 to everyone to just live through yourself

Speaker 1 and maybe I'm wrong no you're wrong but but but freedom this this is free freedom fuck man freedom allows you to be your best self yeah and this is something what man

Speaker 2 what is for me so inspirational

Speaker 2 yeah but still it's uh a gift a big gift but a big

Speaker 2 how to say

Speaker 2 big weight

Speaker 1 Yes big responsibility responsibility.

Speaker 2 Yeah big responsibility because if you don't know how to work with the gun it can be dangerous. Right.
Yeah. So right right right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. With great power comes great responsibility.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where

Speaker 1 you you sit right now at the top of the heap, like after Ankalayev, especially after that performance, it's very likely that either you or a lot of people are forgetting about Jan Bohovich always like to give him his props because Jan Bohovich is still one of the best fighters in the world.

Speaker 1 And I would like to see him get another shot because he's also 41 or 42, I think, now.

Speaker 1 And, you know, he doesn't have much time left in his prime.

Speaker 1 And Jan is maintained, like, even at 40 years old, still, it doesn't show any signs of a deterioration.

Speaker 2 That's right, man.

Speaker 2 When I thought about

Speaker 2 my next opponents, there was just like these guys. Ankhalaev, Pereira.
The Pereira is

Speaker 2 most, but

Speaker 2 that seems how the negotiations will be. The Pereira, Ankhalaev, and maybe the Bakovich.
So these three guys I see still there. I see the

Speaker 2 challenge. Yes.
The challenge because I want to go somewhere where I will

Speaker 2 feel I can

Speaker 2 because every time when there is a challenge, there is a new you.

Speaker 2 And there is something new, what you need to overcome, what you need to rule, what you need to

Speaker 2 observe. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're the elite level of the game.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, Jan Bohovich, he's one of the, I think, the only gods to go the distance with Pereira other than Bruno Silva, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, because he had the hands up.

Speaker 1 Also, that guy's made out of iron. I mean, I'll never forget the fight with Ankhalayev when he was just going shin to shin with Ankhalaev.
And Ankolayev could barely walk.

Speaker 1 Jan Bohovich is made out of rocks, man.

Speaker 2 Man, I thought like he won that fight.

Speaker 1 Very close. Very close fight, but you could definitely see giving it to Jan Bohovich.
There's a lot of those fights. Here's another thing that I think should happen in the UFC.

Speaker 1 I think we need more than three judges. I don't even think that the judges...
Some judges are very good. I I think the judging in California was very good.

Speaker 1 I think overall, I think we need at least five judges. I think three is too little.
I think we need, because there's too many times where two judges get it wrong and the crowd is like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 I think if you had five judges, then you have two judges that would counterbalance that other, and there'd be three, two in the right direction, and you would get a good result.

Speaker 1 I think you're more likely to get a good result, an accurate result of what the fans and the experts see about the result of a fight fight than you would if there was only three judges.

Speaker 2 Or fighting to win. Yes, fighting to win.
Well, that's the, I mean, what Gordon likes to do, Gordon Ryan likes to do, is no

Speaker 1 time limit fights. He does no time limit fights with no points.
Like,

Speaker 1 we're going to submission. This is what this game is about.
It's about me strangling you.

Speaker 2 That's right. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Imagine that if they started doing the UFC like the old UFC, like UFC one, no rules.

Speaker 2 Maybe for somebody it will be a little bit

Speaker 2 like they will not like it because maybe sometimes it will be long, maybe, but maybe

Speaker 2 so what? Yeah, yeah, that's fighting. Yeah, that's fighting.

Speaker 1 People watch baseball. Yeah.
No, no offense against baseball, but that shit's boring as fuck compared to fighting.

Speaker 2 You know what's my theory about that? So there is a

Speaker 2 sports, a lot of sports, but the first one, first sport,

Speaker 2 first

Speaker 3 version of sports?

Speaker 2 First

Speaker 2 version of sport was like one man wants to overcome the second man. Yes.
And it came from

Speaker 2 DNA.

Speaker 2 From DNA, from fight, from fight for this piece of

Speaker 2 cavemen. For food.
From eat, for food. Fighting for creditors.

Speaker 2 This is it. This this that's why it came from.
And in the in the in the time, there was like

Speaker 2 let's let's do some other another competition, another competition right to not be

Speaker 2 so violent so violent but

Speaker 2 to be honest

Speaker 1 the realest one competition is the one man against the second man that's why that sport translates through all languages is the only sport that translates like cricket cricket is huge in other parts of the world nobody watches cricket in america in other parts of the world billions of people watch cricket nobody gives a fuck about cricket here Put cricket on TV.

Speaker 1 No one's going to watch.

Speaker 2 And in the time, we gave

Speaker 2 some rules, the kimonos, all these things. No, let's.

Speaker 1 Well, that was the beauty of the first UFC. The first UFC was just wild.
No weight classes,

Speaker 2 no real rules other than eye pokes.

Speaker 1 Joe San was fighting Keith Hackney, and Keith Hackney was caught in a guillotine, and and he's just punching Josan in the balls. It's a famous scene.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you remember that? I said

Speaker 1 it was like, I remember watching that going, oh,

Speaker 1 this is awful.

Speaker 2 This is awful.

Speaker 1 There's another one in Brazil. Big Daddy Goodrich was fighting this guy named the Pedro.

Speaker 2 Look at this.

Speaker 1 Just pure nutshots.

Speaker 1 Just one after the other right to the balls.

Speaker 2 This is horrible to watch. Show me the monk training.
But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 If he's wearing a cup, especially if he's wearing a tie cup, a steel cup, which I also think should be illegal.

Speaker 1 I don't think you should have steel cups because steel cups act as a leverage point as well.

Speaker 1 You know, not only you could break your foot on it, it's an unnatural object. And then if you get someone in an arm bar with a steel cup, you could break it.

Speaker 2 It's like it's an extra leverage point.

Speaker 1 It's like bending a stick over a rock.

Speaker 2 Use it like a weapon. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you, Kenny Florian used to always fight with a tie-steel cup. And he's like, I don't know why anybody would fight with anything else because it hurts them when they kick me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it really is like a good leverage point.

Speaker 1 It's also good for the mount. If somebody mounts you, there was a guy that I used to train with Amir Renovarti, and he used to get on top of you and mount you and drive his cup.

Speaker 1 He's drive his dick in your solar plexus. And you want to tap.
It was horrible. But it was smart.
I mean, if it's legal, it's a smart thing.

Speaker 2 Find a way between the laws.

Speaker 1 Imagine if nobody had cups, if cups were illegal. There'd be so much more nutshots.

Speaker 2 You know? Maybe somebody will find a way how to jump with these cupu to do the face.

Speaker 2 Like those guys?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. I don't think that's real.

Speaker 1 I don't think that would work. But other than that,

Speaker 1 the rules,

Speaker 1 they're pretty good. They're getting a little bit better.
I'd like knees on the ground as well. Knees to the head.

Speaker 1 I don't think an opponent should be allowed to be in a turtle when your head is vulnerable. You have to move.
You have to avoid those knees. And that's a.

Speaker 2 Like before my last fight, right now,

Speaker 2 the ref referee,

Speaker 2 sorry, I didn't.

Speaker 2 with the big mustache oh Mike Beltron Mike Beltron yes sorry Mike Beltron because he's a good guy and

Speaker 2 he tried to

Speaker 2 to tell me like how to

Speaker 2 when because I didn't know that the change of the rules the change of the rules like when the hands down right when it's not the when it's not the elbow when the hands down and

Speaker 2 you staying and the legs and hands down you can knee the opponent the hands

Speaker 2 still

Speaker 2 Man, that's that's better. That's better.

Speaker 2 That's better.

Speaker 1 Much better. Because guys were gaming the system.
They put a hand down so they couldn't get knee in the face. That's crazy.
That doesn't make any sense. You should not be doing that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good rule that they changed. Another rule is the 12 to 6 elbow.
That should be legal, too.

Speaker 2 And now that's legal again.

Speaker 1 That's the only reason for John Jones ever having a loss. You know, so there's

Speaker 1 good movement on the rules. Ryzen allowed knees to the head to a grounded opponent and kicking.
Did you get accustomed to that and have to get that out of your system when you came to the UFC?

Speaker 1 Is there any moments where you thought about throwing a sock?

Speaker 2 No, no, I didn't thought about that, but

Speaker 2 when you are still

Speaker 2 when you are in the control, in the fighting, what's the, I think, the

Speaker 2 biggest

Speaker 2 biggest thing of the fighter in the fighting, to to stay in, in the control, so you know what to do, what can't to do,

Speaker 2 but some there is a moments when you don't

Speaker 2 control yourself too much. So,

Speaker 2 it's dangerous. But in raising, I use that.

Speaker 2 I did that like I think twice.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's very effective. It should be allowed.
I think it should be allowed. I think the only problem with soccer kicks is the cage.

Speaker 1 So, the cage, if your head is right there and you get stomped, you can't move.

Speaker 1 So, it's the unnatural barrier of the cage that's the problem. That's why I think basketball court.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Matted down basketball court, Just two men in the center of it.

Speaker 1 Have a warning track where you go outside the warning track too many times, you lose points because you're trying to avoid the fight. Plenty of movement, plenty of time to remove.

Speaker 2 And if someone gets you down, I was just trying to

Speaker 2 imagine that. And it's better.
It's good. It's much better.
It's better.

Speaker 1 Because you wouldn't be able to just stall the fight up by holding someone against the cage.

Speaker 1 Because sometimes when fighters are exhausted, they'll just clinch against the cage to try to catch their breath. That wouldn't be allowed.
You couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 There would be no opportunity to do that. That's right.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 Also, if you got taken down, you'd have to get up with skill. You can't just use the cage to get up.
It's very hard, especially if you got a great wrestler like Islam on top of you.

Speaker 1 Very hard to get up any other way than wall walking.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just right now, I'm thinking about it. I think about

Speaker 2 the name of the movie, Hunger Games. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just to put somebody and somebody somewhere, and they will find each other in the natural environment, environments, and they will fight together, and everybody will watch that.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, so give them weapons.

Speaker 1 Well, have you seen those? They do have like people with armor on fighting sword fights now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, crazy.

Speaker 1 Just a matter of time before they take that armor off.

Speaker 1 That's right. And some crazy country, some wilder country, there's

Speaker 1 a million-dollar purse, you fight with swords.

Speaker 2 So, geez.

Speaker 1 Then you're back to the Roman days, the Colosseum.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but still, how I see that, when we are going higher in understanding everything, we have to go,

Speaker 2 maybe I'm wrong, deeper in

Speaker 2 these

Speaker 2 raw things. We want to see more raw because to be not

Speaker 2 to go

Speaker 2 and you understand me.

Speaker 1 Yes, I do, because the consequences are higher. You have to go more pure.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 balance.

Speaker 1 Did you ever read any Miyamoto Musashi?

Speaker 2 You know, I read. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 I don't even have to ask.

Speaker 1 But the Book of Five Rings, he talks about that because Miyamoto Musashi was such a great sword fighter that he believed the only way to fight at your best is you have to be a balanced person, very balanced.

Speaker 1 You have to be an artist. You have to be able to do calligraphy and write poetry.
You can't just be aggression. You have to be completely balanced.

Speaker 1 And he believed in that so strongly and taught that so strongly in the Book of Five Rings that

Speaker 1 you think about how he applied it to sword fighting, it makes sense. Everything what you're saying makes sense.
Because you have to be completely pure when it's just two men and swords.

Speaker 1 You can't have any bullshit. You can't let the ego get you on the wrong line because you're not just going to get punched in the face.
You're going to lose your head.

Speaker 2 That's right. Yeah.
That's right. There is no

Speaker 2 time.

Speaker 2 And that's why. That's why I don't like it.
There's no time for

Speaker 2 a talking.

Speaker 2 There is no time for a bad word in your

Speaker 2 talk.

Speaker 2 No time for a bad move in the fighting.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 your mind have to stay controlled, stay present

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 use...

Speaker 2 do nothing what's not

Speaker 2 what's not useful for this moment yeah Right now we are natural here.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 when the our life will

Speaker 2 these podcasts,

Speaker 2 these talking,

Speaker 2 maybe

Speaker 2 when you will not talk

Speaker 2 your

Speaker 2 everything true and everything honestly, it will cost you a life. So we will every we both we will pay attention of every our word.
because in in that ages of Miyamoto Musashi there was a

Speaker 2 even even the word can cost somebody's life yes so that's why they were so

Speaker 2 precise in everything in every that's the Japan every movement every

Speaker 2 even the even the teapot even the tea

Speaker 2 ritual is the is the is the art. So so so that's why they was

Speaker 2 and still they are so precise in the thinking,

Speaker 2 in

Speaker 2 expressing, in expressing your true self, not just

Speaker 2 talking

Speaker 2 whatever, matter of fact, hey, how are you,

Speaker 2 hey, what's up?

Speaker 2 I don't

Speaker 2 this is something what I don't like to to

Speaker 2 to America. Like everybody asks you, hey, how are you? and and don't care about your

Speaker 2 They don't care about your answer.

Speaker 2 And I want to stay and hey, I'm great. How are you today? No, he's don't care and he's going somewhere.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 why ask me why you doing this?

Speaker 2 It's a figure speech, unfortunately. But still.

Speaker 1 It's a kind figure speech.

Speaker 2 I know, it's not real. Yes, but it's not real.

Speaker 1 They don't really care what you're doing.

Speaker 2 They don't care how hard you are. I understand.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 let's be real. But sometimes

Speaker 2 don't push it too much,

Speaker 2 to the I'm important. Every my voice is important.

Speaker 2 Every movement. So the true power

Speaker 2 is coming with lightness. To be lightness.
And lightness is not to taking so much seriously and taking

Speaker 2 too much light. So taking like, like, don't care about what I'm saying.
So some

Speaker 2 still. Balance.
Balance. It's just balance.

Speaker 1 Constant balance and staying pure.

Speaker 1 Staying in your... And do you, is that what you're feeling when you stare your opponents down? Because like

Speaker 1 these one of the fights with Pereira and the fight with Jamal Hill,

Speaker 1 you just lock on your opponent and you stare. And is that what you're doing in that moment, just trying to be completely present? Just to empty yourself of all bullshit?

Speaker 2 That's the yeah, this is the moment before the fight. Yeah, it's all about that.
Because there is no opponent, there is just this moment.

Speaker 2 I'm everywhere.

Speaker 2 You're everywhere. That's all.

Speaker 2 I like it. I'm everywhere.
Yeah, but this is not something

Speaker 2 I'm telling you that because

Speaker 2 I want to be cool.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, I don't think you are. This is a real truth.
Yeah. That's all.

Speaker 1 So now that you have this big victory, what happens next? Do you wait for the UFC to call you? Do you wait for Ankhalaiv and Pereira to fight to see what happens next?

Speaker 2 This is

Speaker 2 what I am right now not expecting. What I want to see the fight,

Speaker 2 if they fight will happen, because they are translating that so much

Speaker 2 their fight.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 let's see let's see who's the best and

Speaker 2 my

Speaker 2 attitude

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 right now I know that how I

Speaker 2 what to do to

Speaker 2 not to get better to do a real serious preparation to get prepared for

Speaker 2 both of them doesn't matter who

Speaker 2 and be ready for for negotiation about about the next fight. I want a title, but I will let the life

Speaker 2 to give me who's

Speaker 2 before me right now.

Speaker 2 Who's the challenge right now before me?

Speaker 1 So it's just about whatever the challenge is, accept it, and then try to find your best self for this next performance as well. That's right.
It's an exciting time for you, man.

Speaker 2 How old are you right now? 32.

Speaker 1 It's a perfect prime. That's in your prime.

Speaker 1 It's an exciting time. Are you enjoying this life?

Speaker 2 Yes, yes, yes, yes, enjoying, but

Speaker 2 man,

Speaker 2 long time. Nobody asked me for like for this question, so I didn't thought about that long time.

Speaker 2 But yes,

Speaker 2 since I decide I wanna go this way of

Speaker 2 the warrior,

Speaker 2 of a true man,

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 to feel the true power and take it to our to my life and live with that not just to feel that and go away but to to keep it in a daily life

Speaker 2 yes yes i'm i'm enjoying that

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 I don't know who who said that, like,

Speaker 2 watch yourself like

Speaker 2 an

Speaker 2 art like an

Speaker 2 like an David you are

Speaker 2 right you're making a masterpiece master make a past masterpiece from your life and that's what I like to do in my

Speaker 2 meditations to take a step up watch yourself watch what watch where you're going what who you spend time with

Speaker 2 where is your

Speaker 2 daily

Speaker 2 daily what's your daily routines how it make it better

Speaker 2 and then

Speaker 2 go

Speaker 2 into the deepest level of the present moment and live that and stay with these

Speaker 2 your best ideas what you what you are connected with

Speaker 2 yes so yes you ask me yes

Speaker 2 I live that but I didn't in in the time right now I can I I can say it right now I didn't expect it will cost you

Speaker 2 everything like

Speaker 2 it will cost you your old personality and you will reborn like a new personality

Speaker 2 but still

Speaker 2 I know somebody

Speaker 2 by spirit whoever choose that

Speaker 2 because I know this is the way

Speaker 1 one of the things that I have to talk to you about was in the Alex Pereira fight you thought that they were using some magic spirits

Speaker 1 black magic yeah what do you why why did you think that

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 okay I will take it from another from another start okay uh when I'm doing something

Speaker 2 I'm doing that like uh

Speaker 2 I'm I'm extreme in every in everything what I'm doing. So I wanna go

Speaker 2 to the

Speaker 2 to the bottom to the bottom of the to the start where it the the source the source of that where where it's going

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 the source of the spiritual world

Speaker 2 of that question what is the spiritual world where is the where the source is

Speaker 2 if there is some weapons how the how they use that egg in the cage

Speaker 2 and I went in that

Speaker 2 so deep so I get lost

Speaker 2 really

Speaker 2 so I had to I had I had another

Speaker 2 no no other chance just

Speaker 2 to totally close this close these

Speaker 2 doors

Speaker 2 just believe

Speaker 2 that I am who I am

Speaker 2 who

Speaker 2 to believe just for ideas which I started with

Speaker 2 like the martial arts and all these things

Speaker 2 and just be in the gym and train don't do

Speaker 2 another this bullshit because with Pereira

Speaker 2 I really get lost and I started to believe

Speaker 2 to another people, to not just myself

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 this is something,

Speaker 2 this is the way to the hell. To when you start to stop believing yourself, your true self.

Speaker 2 And when you start believing some spiritual guys

Speaker 2 who's trying to protect you or giving you something and

Speaker 2 trying to lead you, and they know what's the best for you.

Speaker 2 And that was my

Speaker 2 biggest school in this life, I think.

Speaker 2 So yeah, that was my last preparation. To just believe in myself,

Speaker 2 go to the gym and train. Do a good camp, do a camp.

Speaker 2 What was the first your biggest inspiration? So in Japan, I made a camp in Japan. Then I made in high-attitude training in Mexico.
Then I went back to my city, Bruno, for my guys, for

Speaker 2 my team, and we made a solid,

Speaker 2 good camp, hard camp.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the last fight, I'm happy that

Speaker 2 happy.

Speaker 1 What is it about getting down to the source that made you think he was using black magic?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's every time

Speaker 2 a big

Speaker 2 no big difference

Speaker 2 experience. I said that that word.

Speaker 2 Big power when you are responsibility.

Speaker 2 It's a big responsibility, not just

Speaker 2 big responsibility. We are

Speaker 2 we are.

Speaker 2 I want to speak right now, so I don't want to speak about that fully because still it is

Speaker 2 something what I am humble for, and

Speaker 2 I can say this is it,

Speaker 2 this is it, yeah, too

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 everyone, everyone have

Speaker 2 has

Speaker 2 their own way, and nobody is

Speaker 2 like even me, prepared for

Speaker 2 to saying

Speaker 2 some something

Speaker 2 what what can be for somebody like take it seriously, you know

Speaker 2 you don't

Speaker 2 maybe,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 Again, I get lost in that. So,

Speaker 2 the thing is,

Speaker 2 I just started to believe. I will not speak about where is the magic, how to use the magic.

Speaker 1 But you believed that there was magic working against you.

Speaker 2 Man, I

Speaker 2 and that was the that was the biggest power to my for my opponent because I was focused for him, not for me.

Speaker 1 You know, And that's where the black magic lies.

Speaker 2 And then.

Speaker 1 Because it gets you outside of your own head.

Speaker 1 But is that black magic, or is that just his presence as a champion?

Speaker 1 Because that's the aura of a fighter is a weapon.

Speaker 1 Israel Adesanya, when he was in his prime, had that. Mike Tyson in his prime had that.

Speaker 1 Anderson Silva had that. There's an aura that champions have when they're in their prime that makes you think about them instead of yourself.
And it probably seems like black magic.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but still, this is the

Speaker 2 just for me is the pure self-confidence.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 to be pure self-confident,

Speaker 2 you

Speaker 1 can't think about your opponent.

Speaker 2 And that was the, that was something what I made, that was something what I

Speaker 2 really

Speaker 2 went to another level. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when you look at yourself now in this amazing performance against Jamal Hill,

Speaker 1 are you imagining yourself even better?

Speaker 1 Are you constantly imagining yourself even more precise, even more accurate, even more effective?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, sure. But right now I'm more in reality about that.

Speaker 2 Not just in imagination. I want to see that in video.

Speaker 2 I want to be real. I want to see the

Speaker 2 results of my work,

Speaker 2 all these things, real,

Speaker 2 not just think like

Speaker 2 still think about I can be better, I can do this, but I know

Speaker 2 I want to do, I want to be the champion

Speaker 2 and I'm going for that and I want to show that to everyone. That's all.
And I will show that

Speaker 2 and then

Speaker 2 Then we can speak about

Speaker 2 about the black magic again. No, because

Speaker 1 so right now you don't even want to concentrate on the idea of that. Yeah.
And to protect yourself from that, you just don't think about it and be in your own mind.

Speaker 2 It's all about that. It's all about that.
Because in the

Speaker 2 like I said, the mind is a big,

Speaker 2 greatest serf, but the baddest

Speaker 2 baddest the boss. Yeah.
Yeah. So that's why.

Speaker 1 It can run away from you.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's why I had to go back to Japan

Speaker 2 where like my

Speaker 2 old belief started to go really deep

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 there I started to be,

Speaker 2 I don't know how to say, like not

Speaker 2 just inspired,

Speaker 2 but to live.

Speaker 2 live it really live it without without no

Speaker 2 without anything

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 in in managing your mind, um I'm sure one of the most important things is to not have a lot of like negative influences, not have a lot of negative thoughts and that do you spend any time on social media when you're in camp?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, but but I'm doing just uh some posts and that's all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just post and go. Just post and go.
Yeah. That's it.
That's how to do it.

Speaker 2 Or posting maybe some uh

Speaker 2 answer to just a few of my friends, and that's all. No reading, comments, no reading, anything.
Because I'm here to, right now, I'm here to

Speaker 2 show you my way of the martial arts, or my way to

Speaker 2 the strength,

Speaker 2 where I still feel the way.

Speaker 2 And this is it.

Speaker 1 What is the

Speaker 1 days that you spend in darkness and silence? What does that do for you?

Speaker 1 To

Speaker 2 still, it's about explore your mind. Keep your mind disciplined, keep your thoughts

Speaker 2 on the ground,

Speaker 2 uh observe the m it's all about the mind and

Speaker 2 and then about the training, because I trained there too in that dark dark you mean that dark room and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 So meditation observing mind

Speaker 2 follow follow your

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 find the best

Speaker 2 the best of your what you can

Speaker 2 what you can achieve in this life what you can

Speaker 2 if you can if you want really

Speaker 2 and this is the question what everybody have to answer for to to uh to ourselves

Speaker 2 which life we want to live

Speaker 2 which thought is the

Speaker 2 uh useful which not which I need to

Speaker 2 let go and which I want to uh keep in my life

Speaker 1 so and so it's just a deep exploration of your own mind yes maybe the

Speaker 2 because there is a lot of lot of levels like imagination

Speaker 2 see the some

Speaker 2 visualization some some live dreams all the all these things because after three days the it's there is an opening the third third eye is opening and you can see

Speaker 2 you can you can see truly who you are and

Speaker 2 maybe sometimes somebody needs more days without food.

Speaker 2 So it's going to be, then it's without food, it's going to be like more intensive. Yeah, everything's going much faster.

Speaker 2 So, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, when you started doing this, you do no food? Do you just drink water when you're in there?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And if you to understand me, all these things

Speaker 2 I'm doing

Speaker 2 because I really decide like to use everything like a weapon in a fighting

Speaker 2 to use my mind, use my visualization, use the

Speaker 2 everything

Speaker 2 and that's

Speaker 2 that's why I

Speaker 2 went to do this trip of the spirituality so deep because I fought.

Speaker 2 I thought there will be some special weapons what I can use in the fighting

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 the biggest special

Speaker 2 weapon is to be yourself, the realest yourself.

Speaker 2 That's all. There is the

Speaker 2 that's the key.

Speaker 1 That's the key.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, brother, I'm a big fan. I love watching you fight.
I really enjoy talking to you. I wish you nothing but success, and I can't wait to see you get after it again.

Speaker 1 And I'm very happy for you and your improvement. The last fight was incredible.
And thank you for everything. Thank you.
Thank you. you.
Tell everybody: do you have a website?

Speaker 1 Do you have a website online? What is your website?

Speaker 2 I have

Speaker 2 just a brand. You mean like.

Speaker 1 Do you have a website or do you just have social media?

Speaker 2 Oh, social media. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 Just Instagram, Yuri Prohaska.

Speaker 2 Yurka Prochaska. Yes.
In Instagram, Twitter, too.

Speaker 2 Twitter is Yuri

Speaker 2 BJP.

Speaker 1 There it is.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 1 That's it. What does BJP stand for?

Speaker 2 Wow, man.

Speaker 2 This is

Speaker 2 what I came from, the stand, the that

Speaker 2 young

Speaker 2 Yiri,

Speaker 2 not young Yiri, the true Yiri, who's

Speaker 2 but UFC don't like that.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 I'm trying to tell them like this is the best Yuri Prokhaska. But in the real is in Czech is a bombiak pizza, and

Speaker 2 that means like bombs as fuck.

Speaker 2 So, because yeah, that's it, that's it.

Speaker 1 So, it's bomb as fuck, Yuri Prochaska.

Speaker 2 That's right, that's it, that's right, beautiful, yeah, all right, looking for a biggest strength, that's all, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 That's all right, thank you, brother. This was awesome, thank you, really appreciate you.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 All right, bye, everybody.