JRE MMA Show #165 with Jiří Procházka

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How you feeling? You must be feeling fantastic. Many things were successful, so even if I was a little bit, had a flu many things you had a flu before that fight yeah for one week like five five days five day five days before five week I was in like how to say that no he like bodies fever fever fever so yeah that's crazy that was that was yeah that was something what i but every time maybe i'm a little bit glad for that because i'm every time trying to push my preparation too much that i'm every time like hurt myself or i'm over-trained.
Right. So that's why I'm maybe just a little bit glad for that.
That's interesting, right? Like it's so hard because you want to prepare so hard. You're so disciplined, so driven, but you can do yourself a disservice.
You can go too far and then you don't recover enough and then you go into the fight a little compromised yeah that's right yeah we've seen that many times with fighters who just get so enthusiastic about their training yeah because i feel like self-confidence and still there is something what you can do better yeah every. And that's my idea of the training, life idea, to go better every day, 1% better, 1% better.
Even if you can't train, you can sit in the meditation and visualize how you train, how the body is working. Sometimes it's the most biggest, like the biggest thing what you can do is just rest.
Like you show me the floating. Yes.
Yeah, you need one of those, man. All the people that I know, you need one.
Sensory deprivation tank. You should get one of those.
Because I know you're into meditation. I know you spend a lot of time in dark rooms.
That's meditation times 100. That's right.
Do you monitor your heart rate every day to see what your recovery is at, or do you just go by feel? Feeling. Feeling.
Feeling. Feeling.
I did that in high-attitude training in all in November in Mexico, Mexico City, where it's 2,300, 200 meters. Yeah, 7,700 feet above sea level, I believe.
Yes. And there I monitor everything, like take up blood exams before in and after the these camp four weeks camp there and man amazing amazing how well your endurance was incredible in that fight because that was such a high and still paced fight and still i i felt like uh So after that flu, I felt a little bit down but well that's pretty amazing then you must have been insane shape before the flu yeah it's a fine line that balance yeah yeah you so you went to Mexico City did you did you know a gym up there did you bring your camp up there uh i was there in uh

ufc performance institute there there's a new one nice man yeah you have everything here yeah in the performance institute like regeneration training coaches uh coaches with the pads and uh so i was there for especially for uh, to work on the things what I took from the last fight with Pereira to work on the hands up a little bit, just a little bit. A little bit.
But we were talking about it in the broadcast. Your hands down sometimes has a benefit there's a there's a real advantage

to it because no one sees where those punches are coming from yeah so for the people that don't know what i'm talking about not just punches yeah movement movement head movement was excellent everything your head movement was excellent and the feeling feeling uh with the hands up is another one with the that uh with the hands with the hands down yeah because this is your natural posture right yeah so you spend a more more most of the time in in this and uh it's it's about just uh just feeling the space feeling the i can't explain to another person like this one because when I am in, in the flow, like you want to be in the flow, in the fight, some between the flow and uncomfortable, somewhere in the center. So when I achieved this attitude, that's why I don't need to keep my hands up because this for me means and for everybody that means defending I don't need to defend myself when I see when I see everything when I feel everything and but like I understand in this preparation where I tried where I did all the camp hands up like this gives you the calm in a close distance in a close distance it's not so sometimes it's not so smart to keep hands down.
But I'm crazy enough to go through, to be in the moment, to stress my body so much in this situation, to see every movement, every start of the movement of my opponent that I can react before he starts. And the next level is to try to read the thinking of the opponent, what he wants to do before he do that.
So there is many levels of that so but sometimes i can't explain that sometimes uh like in the second fight with Pereira i was a little bit uh punched uh in in the in the in the end of the first round so i stepped to the second round and I and I said to myself I was too courageous

and keep the hands down so so that's why it happened right you should have been more defensive maybe to recover yes yes one thing you said after that fight you said you have to evolve and one thing that I saw in this last fight with Jamal Hill was evolution I really saw it it. You really see it.
Like the counters, the head movement, and the counters were brilliant. There's one that I put on my Instagram stories.
It was so incredible. He threw a punch.
You slid slightly out of the way, landed a straight left, and then the right hook that dropped him. But it was so dynamic dynamic It was so fast and precise.
I was like that's a different Yuri Prochaska like the your earlier fights Were always excellent. You always had amazing power and very unusual movement very difficult to predict But the sharpness of your counters was on another level in this fight.
That's what I worked on. Yeah.
To not just connect to the opponent and react what's happened right now, but a little bit before what will happen. Yes.
Well, you're definitely getting better, which is so fascinating. You had a very brilliant approach.
You waited until you had reached a certain level before you entered the UFC. You could have been in the UFC years earlier.
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Seriously, get on this but and i have to say thank you to my coaches for that because we worked on my style. We are consulting, like communicate about that style, what to make a better, how to do that.
That's why I'm keeping like my two coaches, what I began with, all the time with me.

Because I think that's the only thing you can go to be a master in something,

to stay with some people, with some...

Tight circle. Yeah, tight circle and go deeper.
You can go really deep. Yeah.
It's also, I value loyalty. Loyalty is very important.
And this is it. It means a lot.
And when people worked really hard to get you to a certain level. What I like is there's some coaches that they recognize that maybe there's other skill sets they can bring in so they work with other people as well you know but always stay with the people that brought as long as the relationship is good always stay with the people that brought you to the game yeah sure sure because in the end you can you can change whoever but you you you have to start again with with the same go.
And again, you will go to the same level, to the same problems with these people because it's not about them. It's always about you to recognize what's in you.
How much tape do you watch? Do you watch a lot of film? Do you watch videos of fights? Yeah. I was five days sick before the fight so I just watched Spartans 300 Ongbak I watched That's wild shit No wild shit but I was really inspired.

I was really hungry to see something

because a long time I didn't see some good, not good movie.

It doesn't matter if it's good or new,

but these old classics of the fighting,

Jean-Claude Van Damme with Kickboxer and all these things,

that's what that's what

made a spark in inside me to a true love for martial arts because they in the in that movies

they live that really leave that and and they have no other chance to to solve their problems just

just by martial arts and something so that's that's why I'm so you got inspired by movies yeah do you watch a lot of films of fight footage like your fights your opponents fights yeah yeah yeah but I don't need to I don't need many times to do study that I just need to like see once once I I just see the attitude like attitude of the start of the fight how he's fighting his how to say his spirit his mindset how he's thinking how is the start of moving of his body how he's reacting for not just for opponent for the many situation for a and movement, but everything like personal and studying that guy, his energy, his vibe, how he's reacting, how he's react in some situation like these eye pokes and all these things, like some breaks in the fight every time because it shows you how he has under control himself all the time, all the time. And this is something what Alex Pereira, i don't know what what is his story behind but he have to he handled that he handled that and that's why he is how he is now he's starting to be more relaxed and i wish him to to stay sharp well i think he's more relaxed outside the fight but in the fight he's always

very calm yeah very calm and very focused yes yes yeah did you watch your first fight with him before you watched the second before you have fought him the second time yes sure sure yeah I studied him a lot, but the second fight I, I, I little push it too much. Too aggressive? No, no, no.
I mean, like training. After the fight, I was like, I want Alex Perra after I'm ready for him.
right now i'm ready too but i'm I'm open for whoever will, UFC, will give me like a next opponent to prove that I am. But I want a true challenge.
Like, I want a true challenge from the, I think, top five guys. Right.
The interesting thing about the light heavyweight division is there's only about five really exciting contenders, four or five really exciting. There's not a deep pool of fighters that would be, you know, very interesting to see you fight.
That's right. Because there is a, like I said today, there's a few guys who really have the taste, have the drive to go to the top.
I want to go to the top. I want to take it.
I feel the energy of the crown and I can take it. That's why I'm doing that.
That's why I'm still talking about that to be there because I really feel that I can be the top. And one thing what I needed is that I had to be stable.
stable to not just get to the top and back and out, but to go to the top and know how it is to be there. Know to keep all these weights on the top, what there is.
Yeah, defending the title is more difficult even than getting the title. And then it's improving while you're champion.
You know, they say that Daniel Cormier always says that every champion improves significantly once they become champion because you have the confidence of being champion. And it's just how long can you maintain the kind of energy that's required to constantly get better because it's not just about maintaining right it's about constantly improving constant and analysis of all your movements and and what you're doing right what your mistakes that were made what the thought process was before the mistake and how to eliminate that.
Yeah. This is something what is, like I said, the style of Japanese, they call that kaizen.
Yes. Kaizen, like daily improvements, small improvements, daily recognizing what's bad, what's good.
And sometimes I feel like it's like a sick like to be upset too much obsessed in that man you need a little break that's that's why I think the the life gave me these uh little break before the flu yeah was that why you came in so light yeah yeah was that why that was that that was why because I was watching a video with

luke thomas was going over your performance everybody was very impressed and he was as well but one of the things that he was talking about was that you only weighed 208 pounds you don't know when you walked into the cage I thought I will do my best when I would go to the sauna night before the wedding

and spend there

and again

I change my best when I would go to the sauna night before the waiting and spend there and again I I changed I switched myself in the sauna and I was there like for two hours oh no like another just like 15 minutes 15 15 like many rounds right right right two hours there and do you do sauna cold or just sauna relax relax relax no no no

sauna cold or just sauna relax relax relax okay uh no no no uh sauna cold okay so and then you go back in the sauna yes sure and cold normally like uh the cold cold plunge i'm doing that daily because i have the at home the cold punch yes and i'm using that yeah they're fantastic yeah and but the fun is the second day

of

the second day

of cold punch yes and i'm using that yeah yeah they're fantastic yeah and but the fun is the second day after that and i didn't drink anything after the sauna and next day morning i went i went to do to the control weight and then i have i don't know how to say in the libers 91 kilograms i i'm fighting in i'm fighting in 93 right and half and i was two and a half kilogram under the my my weight sounds like 200 pounds so yeah so i was the only one guy who who was in a row to the weights,

and I tried to hide myself before other guys,

and I drank one liter of the water, second liter of the water.

Wow.

Just because you didn't want to weigh in light.

Yeah, because I spent too much time in the sauna, man.

Wow.

That's crazy because you only weighed 208. Yeah.
I felt really like... You look great.
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Fast man fast you look fat like significantly. You've always been very fast, but you looked even faster

It's just all about this man

and well if you have the reason why and you can not just you want it like your ego just want it. But you feel it like it's your destiny, these moments.
And it's yours. So then it will happen happen so do you feel like maybe even the the fights with

perera are a blessing and that it showed you what you need to work on every time it's this is the only way how to how i want to see that yeah yeah especially especially the the guy like him who's

really see that yeah yeah especially especially the the guy like him who's really top guy and his style his mindset what he showed till now was something what I needed to work on still So still, I'm on the way. Well, his style is extraordinary.
It's very unusual, as is yours. But the thing that's shocking the most about him is that he only needs to hit you once.
Is it much different, the power that you feel from him than anybody else? There is there is a different from other guys yeah there is a different but only one thing I can say like I know the recipe recipe you know the recipe yeah what's the recipe what's the recipe how to because you have to you have to know how to give the punch and how to act like to how to accept the punches how to move how to move with it and how to overcome the bad moments and all these things but it's better much better to defend the punch with the hand or defend the the punch with a Movement yeah, man. Did you ever watch any of his glory kickboxing fights? Yeah, this is a good one to watch the Artem Vahitov fight Yeah, because Vahitov's very technical.
I think he won. He won a very close decision.

It was very close.

It was one of those fights where you could call it either way.

But he won.

But he's very technical, very interesting to watch him deal with the style of Pereira.

Because Pereira is such an unusual way of moving.

Even the way he holds his hands up, he looks different.

So do you.

You look different. There's only a few fighters that if you saw their silhouette I can go.
Oh, that's Yuri Prochaska I could see it right away. I know how you move, you know, and Alex is that way as well It's like very unique way of moving but his The way Vahitav handled it is a good blueprint for a lot of people to avoid the power and you know keep the volume on him what was your original style what did what was the first martial art that you learned muay thai muay thai yeah i started in uh in my high school i started with karate because there was it was in uh in a daily daily schedule what kind of karate uh shotokan shot Shotokan and judo, there was two.
And I felt like I need something more contact, more aggressive. So not aggressive, but more potent.
More potent, yeah. So I started with Muay Thai yeah the most potent yeah Muay Thai is

fascinating to me that this one island you figured out how to fight better than anybody on the feet yeah that's right and a lot of it they did it through gambling yeah that's a lot of it because they're so into gambling that they had so many fights and then people just fought a lot and then they're like what works best and then they figured it Yeah. And right now, after watching Ong Bak, I'm just still realizing what is the best style, what is the best movements, best deadly techniques, what to do.
And right now, after I watch Ong Bak, I see the Muay Boran like my next chapter to what I want to see real in Thailand to see really how to use that and how to because I'm the man who's taking the piece piece here, taking the piece here and making...

Combining it all together.

Yeah, all together.

So have you trained in Thailand?

Thailand, yeah.

In Thailand, yeah.

Yeah, just a little bit for like three weeks there before the title fight with Teixeira.

Then I was there for a camp. Yeah, Phuket, yeah.
One of the greatest knockouts that you had was that Dominic Reyes spinning elbow, which is beautiful Muay Thai. Flow.
Beautiful flow. It's like you just timed that out.
That was a real coming-out party for you, that fight, because that was when people were like, my God my god like this guy Yeah, always find a way. Yeah.
Yeah when you First started fighting in MMA was this something first of all how old were you when you had your first fight? Oh when I was first fight in my 18 19 And were you looking at it as a career? Yeah. Yeah, right from the beginning.
Were you looking at it to do, that was what you wanted to do professionally? Yeah. Yeah, right away? Right away, yeah, from my 20, 20, around my 20, yeah.
You knew you wanted to be a championship fighter. Yes, yes, because that was something what I was too inspired by,

because I was a young guy who tried to challenge everything around himself,

everything, every man, every situation, everywhere.

I am better than this.

I am better than this.

And not the school. just not in the school but I like the fighting I I fall in love in with the fighting with uh looking for finding my biggest strength and that's that's the why I'm I why I'm going every time to the nature, to sleeping in the mountains.
That's why I'm living in the cottage, to be in contact with the nature, to feel the present moment and rare natural power of the water, fire, of all these things, of sun yeah yeah i was gonna ask you about that like when did you start this training in nature because uh when you look at your setup that you have at your place and everything's outside you know you put pads over trees and you punch and kick trees yeah sometimes it's sometimes looks looks weird but but you know wow i don't like to to i don't like right now i i realize i i need to i want i right now i want to overcome the the people demands the the sparring partners in the in the training. But in my personal way,

I was inspired by, once I was inspired by Masutatsu Oyama. He was the founder of Kyokushinkai Karate.
And I saw his movie and how he spent more than one year, one and a half year in the mountains. And he trained just in the mountains under the waterfall in the winter.
And he made from himself a really something like unshakable mind, self-confident so

deep because he found a way how to overcome, how to rule his body, how to... He's describing that in his book, like, the mind without the thinking like without the thoughts pure mind pure focus yeah your consciousness right here right now and I took that like my own way and and I think it was year 214, 215, and I took everything in myself.

I took everything in myself. I took a tent, yeah, and I went to the mountains, to the mountains, and I slept there for just for like one week, two weeks.
One half week, yeah.

And I was inspired too much, so I did the same thing. I ran there and I punched to the rock.
And I just want to fight with the environment, like with the nature around me. And in the end, you can realize there is no fighting.
There is nothing. This is the pure life because this is the pure life because the life has the one reason to overcome everything around and survive, survive, survive, survive.

And this is the nature what is in us.

So this is, and as deeper you can go in this uncomfortable environment and all these things, that deep you can understand the life

and, like, be a philosopher about that,

like understand more deeply.

And I don't know what to say.

No, you're saying it right.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

So that's why.

So I was inspired by the Masutatsu Oyama.

And that's why I decide after the second fight with Alex I need to go to Japan to the places to make a black belt from Kyokushinkai karate and really feel all these things like a realist not just think about how it can be, how this style can be, but to live that. That's it.
Because I like to take an inspiration and take it and go there. Fight that.
Fight that guy. Live that experience.
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And I think... It's the only way.
It's also something fascinating about the fact that you do do it outside. I think that scares people.
I think there's something about the fact that you like to be fighting in nature and punching trees

like because because i'm coming like from from uh from a from one village where was there a lot of like good guys but everybody we were we are still like really crazy when we are celebrating it's all the time about right now we are trying to slow down to to show others like we are on adults like we we know we are the man's but still it's about like the showing the the strength yeah how what to what to destroy how to how to punch other guy how to how show the strength above others. So, and when there was, when there started on the, okay, like I said, when on these parties started level of like, it was really dangerous, a fire and firearms and the cars and the fire.
And it was not safe. Then I said, guys, okay, we are a man.
Let's be mature. Let's, yeah, please.
Yeah, take it down a notch. Because somebody could die.
Yeah. And that's something what you have to realize.
And this essence of looking for a strength, this something, this true madness, like when I see this picture. that and it remembered me that when I saw that when I came here the JRE logo and when I saw that it remembered me like yes go through, going through all the time choose the hardest hardest way and go through overcome whatever and show you are the you are the boss yeah and and this is this is it this is why i'm i came from that place where we are trying to show each other this one.

And I'm trying to carry that energy and put it in the calm way to show it in the cage.

And that's why the Samurai Ideas, the Bushido Codex, helping me in that to to show it that's all i understand and and then you feel that in training in nature and then experiencing the wild and getting it out there it becomes even more pure because you recognize that all around you is survival. That's right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Thank you. Thank you.

You are on the wave now. We're on the same wave, yeah.
So what year did you start doing this training in the wild? Like I said, in 2014. 2014, yeah.
Like I was, I started, I was inspired by Masutatsu Oyama, and then I realized it's not about opponents, man. It's about just your body, just about rule your body, how much you can rule your body, rule your mind, rule your emotions, logical state of thinking, to find the way how to not overcome how to rule your breath because this is the way and because this is the most primal thing of the body yeah first when the child is born like first his breath everything is like you can you can settle by by the breath in in the body not just by thoughts and over the thinking and thoughts is like a great serve, but a bad boss.
Yeah, really. So it serves you well, but you can't let it control you.
Yes. So there's many levels what you have to rule in your body, what you have to understand and put it in one way in the

present moment.

So you had your first fights when you were around 18, 19?

Yep.

And then how long, when did you decide that you were ready for the UFC and how did you

make that decision?

Because I do know that you were offered fights before, but you said I want more development time. That was in us somewhere in the center of between me in my sixth seventh fight in the horizon.
So around the year to to 17 to 18. Yeah, something something like that and yeah I realized that man there is a there is a way in the rising yet yeah so I need I need to know I need to I want to take a title here I wanna prove that I'm the how to say like the the king of Japan, like, to, to the league of the best.
Because if you want to go to the league of the best, better to be prepared for. Yeah, I think that happens too often that's why i can can fight for a title in in three fights so i think um boxing has it right and in that boxing they look at fighters managers look at fighters as an investment so if you're a manager and you have like floyd mayweather you don't't give Floyd Mayweather the best fight.
You can get him right away with the toughest guy. You want to see how he performs with a guy who's an inside puncher, a body puncher who's a brawler.
You want to see how he handles a slick guy like Emmanuel Augustus with unorthodox movement. You want to – how does he handle Diego Corrales, Long, tall reach.
And you build them with fighters that you think you've got to know when they're ready. And then there's an objective assessment.
Okay, he's ready. Then you start moving him into top ten contenders.
Then you move him to a title shot. The UFC throws you right to the wolves.
Yeah, good to have these objective views. I like to be just a watcher of my progress, of the situation.
Think about that, how to plan it, how to see that not personally, just to see yourself as another person and put it in myself in a way where it will be the best for these targets.

And then go in and do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And when you had a very quick rise in the UFC to a title fight, so you fought. Was Volkan Ozdemir your first fight? Yeah.
So you beat Volkan Ozdemir, then Dominic Reyes was the second fight? Yes. And then, bam, title shot.
Crazy. So that's the reason to be so prepared.
Yes. Because if you're successful, things go very quickly.
That's right. And you have to be ready.
When you look at your first fight with Volkan Ozdemir and then you look at your fight with Jamal Hill, do you see significant improvement? With who? The first one? When you look at your first fight in the UFC when you fought Volkan Ozdemir and now you look at yourself now in the most spectacular performance against Jamal Hill, do you see the improvement? Right now I can say yes. Yeah.
Yeah, because there was a, with the Volcanist Demir, there was just a pure raw power, raw the... Aggression.
Aggression, but not so... Refined.
Yeah. Yeah.
So, yeah, you can see that in the fight, man, there was just a pure... Chaos.
Pure chaos, man. I was too much.
Sometimes it's the self-confident. Like when you are too much self-confident, it's a bad thing.
Yeah. Like because ego will took you to another line and it will destroy you.
Yeah. It will burn you.
So you have to keep that burn, that fire under control and to give these attacks, these aggressiveness in just a small... uh to keep it under control just yeah i like what you just said that ego will take you to another line man it's it's good to be to have it yeah it's we can't live without in this world with cooperations, with collaboration, talking, relationships.
Yeah. You can't live without.
But also you have to cultivate that. So there is two worlds, like without in life.
So you have to go in. Yeah, they have to be working together.
The mind and the ego have to be working together. And the no This is then that's right.
They stay the flow. Yeah, yeah And the ego will take you out of the flow.
Yeah, the ego like I'm gonna go fuck him up and then boom you get hit Yeah, I like what you said though about it takes you out of the line because it takes you into a different line it takes you in a different line of fighting and then sometimes

in that line you'll realize you're out of place you realize you're leaving openings that shouldn't be there and you're trying to force yeah good force yeah force and power yeah yeah and good when you you said like when you realize that it's bad when you don't realize and sometimes it's good when you have the people around you to to man bring you back bring you back and that's why i'm sometimes really glad for my team my people around me to keep me back that's what's amazing about having a coach who knows you having trainers who know you they know they're like they know where you're at like come down come down everything's great but you're hitting the gas too much like so be a little more technical move around more yeah yeah but not too much not too much not too much right because sometimes it's the these wildness do the aggression do to take over like it's too necessary but well that's what i asked you after the fight i said there's something about you where you thrive you get better when it's chaotic Yeah, there's something like it seems like you relish in the chaos of these wild exchanges It's very because sometimes Fighters like to piece people up where they're not getting hit like Jamal Hill's really good at that Like the Glover to share a fight. He had a fantastic job of utilizing his game and his

accuracy and reach and he just put it on glover yep yep but they don't want to be in these wild exchanges you seem to want to be in these wild exchanges because you thrive there yeah that's right that's right and sometimes it's i don't know where where is the where it these to keeping yourself and the control is going from sometimes it's going from the fear to be not hit sometimes it's going from to be careful for the takedowns and but i want to be like fearless in that like to stay behind uh stay before the opponent and have no fear. no you can go as close you want to get as close you want and try to hit me and you will not hit me because i'm here and i and i feel you i'm i got you so i can't explain it and i don't want to explain it i want to show that in a fight so right so i know what you're saying when, one of the things that we were talking about, Daniel and I were talking about when we were doing the commentary was your head movement was so good.
It was different than before. It was like at another level.
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Before I stepped in the UF, no, since my title finding, I's what's when i started to work on especially

on that because i realized that this is my game this is really what's me and uh it was around the title fight with uh with king mo laval in the rising so that was a title title fight in the. And it's about the feeling the opponent.
To feel the opponent, but to not let this feeling to push you in some way you know understand to to feel the space but still be calm be unshakable and you can feel the then you can feel the the space around you the everything and whatever will move right now, you will react for that naturally because you will feel all these things like yourself, like everything is you. And then you can step to the level I'm everywhere because there is no difference between me, this thing, this thing, the opponent, but still.
And that's sometimes why I need to be a little bit hit to feel the aggression back to the fight. That was before the UFC.
And I was needed to get hit because I need to, because I felt him, felt the movement, felt the right movement. Everything was right.
But I also needed to be more aggressive to want it's to go through the opponent yeah because i was too

how to say too nice too nice for them to just just just show them i can sleep and i can move everything you can you don't you can't hit me but it this is not the fight the fight is the answer to catch him in the right moment.

So yes, to be here and now, to be, like I said, to be everything, but still to not be pushed by this feeling like to be so nice, not too much aggressive, but something in the middle still control that it's all about control balance yeah i like what you said like that there's no difference between you and your opponent like you're not even you're just in this flow of movement and life yeah and this thing you're you're choosing to do there's no difference between you and them.

You don't even exist. You're just a part of it all.
Yes, and the bad for fighting is when you really realize we are doing this, we are fighting each other, and right now I'm going to hurt other person and you don't you don't see a really the difference between you and him so you know you are doing to to yourself but this is the game what we chose right and we are here to to have fun so not just have a fun to to live this experience to live this experience and an extreme experience that will teach you about yourself like no other experience yeah that's right there's if you want to learn about yourself go fight yeah you'll you really find out you can bullshit yourself all you want but until you fight that's right and when you go through a loss like the losses to Pereira what is your process like of like evaluating what went wrong and how to how to change things what's what's wrong yeah like how do you what's your process like what do you do when you when you lose a fight and then you come back like what is your thought process what do you say i have to learn i have to figure out what went wrong let me you know after that last last the second fight first time i can first time in my life i realized that, man, that was really like, I will not say what was that, how hard it was because I don't like it. But it was something that I didn't experience yet, not like till now.
So that time I really realized how powerful the meditation and the true self-talking with how the true meditation look like. because I have no other chance then the start stop doing a bullshit stop doing just pure inspirational training in the garden stop doing all the all these things and and start doing just things that really matter,

what can, what have a real effect, how you can feel, how you want to be. and

yeah, the power of

true self-talking

power of true

overcoming the mistakes in a lot in uh in the life and be the boss of your mind because sometimes it's sometimes it's uh yeah it was it was the next level, yeah.

Very difficult to recover from a loss like that. But you...
Yeah, because especially when you lost, like, that was bad. Yeah.
For me, like, how to say, like a man who likes the honor and all these codes, like from Bushido Moral Code, like that was something that was for me really bad. He got you.
Yeah, yeah. That's how it goes.
Man, you can say it like that, but I really work on every move, every thought, every catching, every move in the fighting. And now this happened.
That was not me. That was really, it was me.
but man man, you showed yourself your worst, your worst to the world, man. But so that's why.
But then you came after that and showed your best. So this is the thing about overcoming a loss like that is that I'm sure it was awful, but because of it, the pain that you felt from it caused you to rise to another level that's what his life above yeah yeah I'm still yeah this is the challenge do you need the Tong Po you know yeah no no yeah that's right and and how I see this world and this is what I wanted to speak with you,

what is here right now, the true challenges in this world, in this age, like in a human's life, what is there? because how I see that,

like there is not too much thing what we,

not too much thing what we, not too much, there is a lot, but still we can go right now, we have to go to another level because there is too much of the comfort life of the people because like that you can have the people because like that you can have the food like that you can have a drink uh a massage uh every everything so there is there is no no price like i see in the young people what they want to pay to achieve some really achieve something because yeah they just want things have handed to them that's it yeah this is an entitlement error because things are very easy and when things are easy it's very difficult to develop character that's why for young people I always tell them you should choose to do something hard choose to do something hard hard for your human development, for you as a human being. Because if you just live your life in comfort, you will have a terrible life.

I think, and only one reason, only one thing

what I realized, maybe

the step up will be like

take us two steps back and understand the true life i think so i think we'll realize that the people that live this way are living disastrous lives and people will learn from that mistake because this level of comfort that most people have is very new historically it's very new new in human history. There's never really been

a time where the poor people were fat. That's right.
This is a weird time. That's right.
Yeah. The poorest amongst us have no worries about, about starving to death.
They're in America. They, they're fat.
It's more common than not. I think some crazy number of people in this country are obese.
What was the number? It was like 60%?

Was it 60% of people are obese?

Something crazy like that, which is just nuts.

And it's too easy.

It's too easy to exist.

And I don't mean it's too easy like you don't have to work,

and I'm sure everybody has to work, and your work sucks, and it's hard,

and you've got to get up every day.

But physically, you have to do something to test your will and your discipline,

and if you don't, you're going to have a shitty life.

That's right.

Thank you. it's hard and you got to get up every day but physically you have to do something to test your will and your discipline and if you don't you're going to have a shitty life that's right that's right that's right and you won't be able to control yourself in situations that require you to stay calm i think right now it's up to like it was in every culture up to the the old older older people to teach the younger yeah to real life to tell them like the simply tell them the stories listen the stories yes live the true life man because we are forgot forgotten for all these things because we have the phones and this is the fake lives it's a fake life it's a fake life and it's bad for you.
It's bad for your development. It'll hinder your potential.
Like whatever you want to do in life, if you want to be an artist, if you want to be a musician, whatever you want to be, you want to be an author, it will hinder your development if you live the comfort life. And okay, so this is it.
And how you see see the like in the 10 years in the 50 50 years in 100 years what's the next step for the not good i'm i'm right now i'm i'm trying to to lead you in some way but no this is your podcast sorry but i'm i'm curious I'm curious about that because I'm trying to...

This is my, this is my true motivation, the human evolution, the evolution of myself, how to fight better, how to overcome the opponent better, how to show him that I am everywhere and you have no chance around me please keep hold your head down and tell the other I'm the winner you know you know this is like yeah my ego right what wants this but the way to this there is but still in some humble way humble way to show it like peacefully show it show it like uh show violence peacefully yeah that's it yeah um it was nice seeing you and jamal hill out after the fight having a drink together. That was nice to see.
Yeah, I bought him my original drink, what I'm drinking, the vodka, soda lime. And I told him, like, we fight together, we drink together.
Let's go for that. Yeah, because, man, we are everybody.
We are one. We are one.
In the end, there is no enemy. Even if you're the baddest enemy of the world, man, it was a good life.
It was a good fight. Let's drink together.
Let's celebrate together. That's all.
Was it cool? Was it cool hanging out with him? That was cool. That's something what I like to do with my opponents, whoever won.
You win, you lose, whatever. That's great.
It's always nice to see. That's one thing that people really do love about a great fight is afterwards when the guys hug yeah but still still i don't like to to speak about opponent in some way in some bad way before the fight right and after fight change it like right it's not exist it and right now we are the friends and everything good man please yeah let's be honest you talk a shit about me talk a shit about me okay so you are the motherfucker but doesn't matter let's drink together you are who you are i am who i am let's drink together.
You are who you are. I am who I am.
Let's drink together. But stay honest.
Right. Keep that energy.
Man. Yeah.
Yeah. Because that's why I like to keep same word, same attitude before the fight, in the preparation and after the fight, in the fight, after the fight, all the time, like the same.
That's me. And I want to show me, not me before and me after.
Right. There's a lot of guys just for the sake of promotion.
They talk a lot of shit, and they're just trying to stir things up and make the fight more exciting by insulting people, insulting their families. Yeah, and it gets very ugly.
And I think the audience turns on them over that. And one of the things that's shown with your success and your popularity and guys like Alex is that you don't even have to speak English.
Like, it doesn't matter if you kick ass. I mean, it doesn't matter.
You could talk all the shit you want, get everything hyped up. What really matters is how you perform inside the octagon.
When you perform inside the octagon like Alex has, like you have, there's no need for shit talking. People love you, and they love you just by the style of your fighting and your expressing your soul inside that cage cage like who you are as a man inside that cage you don't have to talk about someone's wife or all that crap yeah that's that's why many people around me like the my manager team tried to be more more focused for a promo and all these things and man the fight will do the promo this is the main thing of everything yeah not selling these things these things these giving the the main thing is the the fight the performance the performance that's what kind of drives me crazy about um when championship level fighters have to do a lot of promotion before the fight i'm like man leave that guy alone what's really important is how he's going to perform if you want to promote it have a bunch of people like me or you know daniel cormier or chael son have people talk about the fight hype the fight.
You don't have to bother this guy at 7 o'clock in the morning and talk to him for an hour about some fucking nonsense. That's what I like.
Leave him alone. Yeah, that's what I like on UFC.
They are focused for performance. That's great.
Every time. And no talking.
Before, no one fight, other fight. No special promo before.
Afterwards, do interviews like right now. Afterwards, relax.
But when leading up to the fight, the most important thing is that you're 100% prepared, and anything that distracts from that should be eliminated. That's right.
That's right. That's right, and yeah.
And many, many, many fighters are, yeah. Yeah, like, focused for, yeah.
Sildur, there are things about shit talking that I do like. And what I do like is that, first of all, it gets a lot of people excited about it, which makes me happy because I want more people to watch the sport.
But also, there's a psychological aspect, especially Conor McGregor. He's so good at talking shit that he gets people so angry That like when he fought Jose Aldo for instance like no one had ever treated Jose Aldo any way other than with respect He was one of the greatest champions.
He's an elite fighter. He defended his title multiple times Destroyed his division.
Yes, but you could tell that all that shit talking from connor had an effect on him emotionally and i think his ego made him go out of line so he ran right at connor and tried to hit him and connor stepped back and cracked him he was so energetic so now imagine if instead if jose aldo fought that fight and dragged it into the fourth and fifth round

and started using the leg kicks that he used on Uriah Faber

and started picking him apart from be careful in the beginning,

but stay inside the game plan.

Stay inside.

Fight the best of your ability.

Don't get emotional.

That could have been a very different fight.

That's right.

But that's the weapon, the weapon of shit-talking.

Yeah, and especially if you know how to use that. Oh, uses it better than anybody he gets people so mad that's that's right that's that's right but it's still it's a big weight yeah it's a big weight what you need to uh what you need to handle what you know how yeah how to handle that yeah well it's also that big weight weighs on you

as well it doesn't just weigh on your opponent when you talk a lot of shit it puts extra weight on you and it gets right that can get you out of line that the additional pressure you might hear the audience boo when they introduce you like oh shit what have i done yeah yeah that's right Not everybody has this big self-confidence to keep that.

Yeah. done yeah yeah that's right not everybody has the these these uh big self-confidence to to to keep that yeah it's um it's an interesting aspect but i don't like if i've had to choose one way or the other i would say just fight there's no need to talk shit we should behave like martial artists you know my my uh attitude about that is a true self-confident man, a true man who overcome and understand his body, his mind, the opponent's mind and body, and his mind don't need to...
That guy don't need to talk shit. Doesn matter to show that to others to the crowd or to fear the opponent because why I know that I don't need to make this show to anybody because I know it I know what will happen I have this self confidence the thing about talking shit though it does make you more money because it does cause more people to pay attention like a good example of someone who doesn't need to talk shit but talks a lot of shit and becomes successful is Gordon Ryan you know Gordon Gordon Ryan, the jiu-jitsu champion? That's his belt up there.
That's his Abu Dhabi belt. Gordon talks a lot of shit.
And he's the greatest of all time. And he still talks a lot of shit.
That's him. But that's also why he's so popular.
It's because people talk shit back to him and there's a lot of back and forth on social media. The most important thing is to be him, to be not like, to play it.
Right. To play, to be true yourself.
Right. When you are like that, okay, be a bad guy or whatever, but just show yourself.
That's it. Right.
Who are you for real? That's right. Express who you are in there.
And you might not even like who you are after it that's right yeah so a lot of guys that aggression especially after a loss it leads them to a place where they're like i don't even like how i behave i don't even like me especially with the bad feelings of a loss so when you have all this aggression and shit talking and then a loss and a bad loss and you have this feeling of like i was an asshole and i lost and the crowd cheered when i lost like fuck yeah yeah yeah but that's the game they play though that's the that's the game and this is something what what is for me i can't forget like for myself because I want to show really true myself.

So I can't talk shit. Yeah.
You've got to be yourself. Yeah.
That's me. Yeah.
You can't, especially now, if you try to become an asshole now, everybody would be confused. Like, what's going on if you took a heel turn? I am asshole.
but

but

so

so on if you took a heel turn i am asshole but but so so big ones so i need to keep myself like so straight so i can't i can't do that because because that will be just like i said ego line i will show show you just this one line No, I need to show you the center right. Yeah, right you need to be pure You need to be you with no bullshit, and that's how you perform at your best So after a fight like this there was a lot of space and this is I brought back to the Luke Thomas video He was saying saying, like, you could be the middleweight champion.

Like, if you made 2-0, you fought at 2-0-8, like, that's a lot lighter probably than Drekas Duplessis. Drekas is huge.
I look at him, I was like, how does Drekas make 185? He's so big. Have you thought about that? I know there was some talk about that at one point in time.
Yes, I thought about that but uh the main thing for me is right now i see the way in light heavyweight because i'm this

one of the strongest guy in the in this division and i still feel like there is a way in uh

in light heavyweight and i said to myself like, you can go to the middleweight, but first show the consistency in light heavyweight. Take a belt, then you can, with a belt from light heavyweight, you can fight for the belt in the middleweight.
To be a double champion. Yeah.
So, yeah.

Well, you know, it's interesting because weight cutting is, in my opinion,

the worst aspect of the sport.

Josh Barnett was just talking about this.

He was on the Ariel Helwani show,

and he was talking about the dangers of weight cutting

in reference to Armand Saroukian's having to pull out of that fight.

Armand is big. He's big.
When I stand next to him, I cannot believe he makes 155. He's very muscular, very dense, and very lean.
And so for him to make 155, it must be an absolutely brutal weight cut. I gotta think he weighs 180 easy, maybe more.
He's big. And I think off when he's out of camp, I bet he weighs closer to 200.
I mean, he's fucking thick, man. So for a guy like that, why they do that? Why they don't fighting in a, in, in a, in a, a higher weight class, in a higher weight class.
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So he was getting ready at 5 a.m.

So he did not have the time to recover from the weight cut from the previous day.

So instead of having a full 24-plus hours.

So if you're weighing in at 10 o'clock in the morning now, what time did you weigh in in Los Angeles?

Eight.

Eight in the morning.

Eight in the morning.

So eight in the morning, and then you have a full 36 hours plus before you fight. That's right.
Which is plenty of time to recover and rehydrate. But he did not get that with the Volkanovski fight, and you saw it in his performance.
He didn't look as good. Okay.
And because he's fucking big, man. Yeah.
So I think weight cutting should be eliminated. I said this to Ari Emanuel when they first bought the UFC I said listen man, you know what you do get rid of weight cutting to stop it Wait, it's not look if you can randomly test people for drugs You can randomly test their weight show up with a scale.
Hey, buddy step on the scale. You're 190 pounds How the fuck are you making 145? You know like do something like that and come up with more weight.
There should be a weight class every 10 pounds this idea of these giant gaps like 185 to 205 That's a 20 pound gap. That's huge.
That doesn't exist in boxing. They should have every 10 pounds 85 95 205 225 and then unlimited instead of 265 let them weigh whatever the fuck they weigh Yeah, he's got giant guys out there that can't fight in the UFC because they can't make 265, which is kind of crazy.
Like Bigfoot Silva, when he was at his prime, when he was saucy, he was like 300 pounds. He was fucking huge.
I like the way they're open weights. Yeah, open weight, not 265.
Let Francis Ngannou weigh whatever the fuck he weighs when he doesn't cut weight. He probably weighs like 290.
Instead of having weight cuts, just take the champions, find out what the champion weighs. Like, don't get rid of the championship belts.
Find out what does Islam Makachev weigh. Islam Makachev is a UFC champion, best pound-for-pound fighter on earth.
Find out what he weighs. What do you weigh if you were healthy, if weight cutting didn't exist? Would it be 185? Okay, 190? Whatever that is.
That's how you fight now. And we're not going to weigh you in the day before and let you rehydrate.
That's crazy talk. Fight people your size.
And also, the fights would be better because too many guys get depleted

Horribly by these weight like Max Holloway said he would never make 150 145 again after Iliad Toporia

So I can't do it anymore because he had gone up to 55 he got thicker and then he went back to 45

He's just drained. He just wasn't himself.
He didn't look good

So I think that would be and I know this is not an easy thing to do

But I do think it's just like getting steroids out of fighting. When they brought in USADA, when USADA came in, you saw people's physiques melt.
You saw people that were doing steroids on a regular basis and gaming the system and testing negative on the day of the fight, but throughout their camp they were using you saw their bodies change They'd started looking like doughy and Because they didn't have any testosterone anymore. They fucked up their endocrine systems Instead of allowing that they brought in USADA and USADA started randomly testing and a lot of people fell off Great champions fell off off.
Guys like Vitor Belfort fell off. Great fighters who, when they were using, were unbelievably good, but then as soon as they had to be natural.
Okay, so we realized that we're going to have to sacrifice some fighters for that. This is the same approach that should be made with weight cutting.
Weight cutting should not exist. It's terrible for you.
It's unnecessary. It's not necessary.
It's just sanctioned cheating that we've done forever. If you're telling me that Alex Pereira, when he fought Israel Adesanya, he weighed 185 one day and 226 the next day.
That's crazy. That's crazy.
It's crazy. It's not a slight against Alex because Alex is willing to fight heavyweight.
He's willing to fight what he weighs. Weight cutting is something that exists.
It's sanctioned. They allow it to happen.
They know what's going on, and it's cheating. That's right.
They're not really 170 pounds. That guy's 195.
He's depleted and dried out. And then he's going to swell back up again.
And he's going to look huge the next day. Like Tricus.
Everything is evolving. Yes, they should evolve that.
Because for the safety of the fighters, for the safety of the fighters, it's not good to dehydrate your brain 24 hours before a cage fight. That's right.
It's dumb. Yep.
But nobody's going to listen to me. Nobody listens to me, Yuri.
Nobody. Maybe off to DCI.
I don't think they should even have cages. I think it should be an open floor.
I think it should be an open floor like a basketball court. Yeah.
Because I think the cage allows you to get up when you wouldn't ordinarily be able to get up. You could walk, wall walk.
The cage allows someone to press you up against an unnatural object. There's a cage there.
So you could press a guy up against a cage. Whereas if you were standing in the center, you could do Muay Thai sweeps.
You could rotate around each other. There'd be more action.
There'd be more movement. That's right.
I also think if someone takes you down at the beginning of the first round, at the end of the round, you're on your back,

you start that second round in the same position.

Yeah.

You see that like, yeah, I have the similar rate of the fighting.

First, I thought like, why there is a rules?

Why there is a... Eye gouging.

Eye pokes is not allowed. So I'm glad for after these last fight it's not allowed very effective man yeah but yeah show all your weapon of your body how you can defeat this man that's all one against one that's all yes one against one that's all and the minimal amount of rules possible you know another thing that i think they should do and i'm going to talk to dana about this this week cover the fingers there's no reason to have these fingers exposed it doesn't help anything it doesn't help grappling you never grapple like this right you never you never use the fingers no no nobody does you do this yes or you do this yes or you do different things with your hands but your fingers are always closed.
Still the fingers. No, no, no.
Nobody does. You do this or you do this or you do different things with your hands, but your fingers are always closed.
But still the feeling. Still the feeling.
I understand. But the problem is the pokes because everybody does this because you're used to sparring with gloves on.
So allow the eye pokes. Man, everybody, you know what will happen? Everybody will be more prepared for for i'm not for no for ipo for every possible attack for an eye because eyes is the weapon too for my especially i i can i can speak about that because i'm using that like uh i see so i know what you're saying maybe maybe it's weird weird.
The problem is you don't want people to go blind. Like Michael Bisping can't see out of his bright eye.
Yep. You know, and I just, I feel like for the sake of the athlete's future.
Everybody will took every fucking, sorry, every fight, every fight so seriously so preparation will be so so and every people in the crowd will watch that with the man in this fight there can happen something what after that fight we will not nobody can change so we will like. So we will, like the fighters, we will speak better, perform better, train better, be prepared to die.
Right. And not like just in our mind, just to die, to show the best performance.
Like, I mean that, like, philosophically, like, you have to stop thinking and be in the moment and all these things. Right.
But, like, but that's what, that's, we are right now speaking, like, about ancient fights, like, about the fight for the life. Real fight.
Yeah, real fight. No rules at all.
Do you think maybe get rid of cups too and allow kicks to the balls? That's real. It's a real target.
It's a vulnerability of the human body to ignore vulnerabilities of the human body. It sounds weird, especially in this age of the full of loss and and all these things yeah but that's that's how i hum how i see that we are living in the age where the laws is work laws and the system yeah is working so we put the we have to put some some system on the fighting too right so eddie bravo actually came up with an idea it was he was joking around but he wanted to call it ultimate sack fighting where uh you would allow to kick a guy on the balls and that your balls would be exposed so it's like when the balls are in play the game changes and that the idea was that like your balls are so vulnerable but yet you cover them like a tie cup you know yeah and that if they didn't if the balls were hanging out like your you know your chin is hanging out that it would change everything yeah he was just joking around it was very funny that the guy who would win would just have like iron balls but nobody has iron balls i mean the human body has the the eye pokes and ball shots.

You didn't see the monks?

Yeah.

How are they kicking?

Yeah, I don't understand that.

I think they're just hitting each other in the taint.

I think their balls are tucked up.

I think otherwise it doesn't make any sense that you could just slam your foot.

Because also the way they're doing it, the monks, they're kicking up.

They're kicking up. So I think they're just slamming your shit into the instep into the taint.
Yes It's not really the balls man like if you front kick that month in the balls just front snap front It would fall down dead Nobody has iron balls nobody has iron eyeballs either, you know, that's the problem with eyeballs is yeah these guys yeah See how he's doing that He's getting kicked in. Nobody has iron eyeballs either.
The problem with eyeballs is, yeah, these guys.

Yeah, see how he's doing that?

He's getting kicked in the taint.

I can even see the way his sack has pulled up.

See that little thing that he's got on there?

But still he's right.

He probably has little balls too, unfortunately.

It's stupid.

Either way, that's stupid.

If that was the only way, if you could train that way,

And you know like a lot of the ties they kick uh banana trees and kick sandbags you know we have a sandbag out there it's so brutal to kick but if you do that enough you'll develop those micro fractures on your shins and it'll make your shins much tougher you can't make your balls tougher you. You can't make your balls tougher.
Yeah, I think there is no reason.

This guy just punched himself in the dick.

Reason to.

This is so ridiculous.

This is so ridiculous.

This guy's just going to take, oh no.

Fuck, man.

Oh no, don't do it.

Oh God.

He's getting slammed in the nuts by a log.

These guys just hit each other in the balls.

But again, I think if you stepped to one of those guys and front snap kicked him right in the balls, then they'd fall down. This is stupid.
you know what i what i realized when i saw the like a lot of masters of of a lot of masters of

of these kung fu doing these weird stuff and all these things so there is a way to like about obsession of the of the martial arts of the doing something in in your life to the deepest level but still still, this is a fighting. Yeah.
This is about the win. So I don't know if this will help you to really defeat the...
No. No.
Especially this is just defense. Yeah.
Okay, so you are prepared to defense your boss.

So, man, really, like, think about it, like, in real.

Don't give it too much on this side of an art of the, like, just doing.

It's good to know one thing, one, two. Right.
One, two. Really, really deeply so you can time that, timing that in every situation to know how to do this movement in every situation.
But these movements... They're not an effective use of your time.

Yes.

Yeah, it's not going to help you be a better fighter.

There's a lot of ancient movements that are probably good for the development of your consciousness,

and they're probably good overall for your ability to be a better martial artist because they teach you certain movements which are almost like a form, like kata.

A lot of people talk about forms, and they say it's a waste of time,

but I think it's a moving meditation.

I used to think it was a waste of time when I was a young man. When I got my black belt, I just learned the katas.
And then afterwards I'd forgotten them. As soon as I just learned them so that I could pass the next test.
And then once I knew all the forms and the katas, I didn't care anymore. I just wanted so like yeah but but all these moves they're important are written in in your in your body in your maybe maybe you don't realize that yet but in the hardest situation in uh maybe there will one move will right wow will will jump up and bomb because you've trained your system you've trained your system about those things.

Like the Neo in the Matrix.

I know the Kung Fu.

They think they're going to be able to do that now.

I was just reading an article about that, and they were comparing it to Neo in the Matrix.

They think they're going to be able to download skills into people's brains.

Man, it's...

Which sucks.

This is... No.
It sucks because I want them to learn the way's... Which sucks.
This is, no.

But it sucks because I want them to learn the way you learned. I think, no, man, there is the ego, the force.
The force. We will do that by, I will take it, and there it is.
Dimitri. That's Dimitri.
Dimitri, hey. and instead of like to take a

take a find a real

snake and whatever, I cannot describe on the snake. I know what you're saying.
Train those movements. So when the punch comes, you block, you counter.
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You will take some information and by the force,

you will give it in yourself to, I don't know,

which form you meant.

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That's crazy.

Okay.

And this is the one side.

The second side, how I'm taking that is about, right now I have no antenna.

Right.

But it's not just about the hair. It's uh to be open to connect with the with the consciousness and there i don't know how it working but is working to be just connected for all the information what's whatever happened and will, is there in this moment right here, right now.
And it's just about the state, if you can be really connected for that. Because I don't know where.
Many moves, I didn't train Rehearse them. I didn't train.
They just came out while you're fighting. They just came out.
And in the fighting, in the fight, and I don't know where. And I didn't train spinning elbow.
Never. Really? Never, man.
Really? I didn't train that. Never.
That's crazy. And just follow.
You just saw it. It was just there.
I'm just following the flow, following the movement. Because there is one elbow.
Okay. You have the, and it's going really slow.
You have a second. Here it is.
Yeah, you have the second elbow. We'll see it here.
Use that. Boom, boom, bam.
And and between one and second one there was a long conversation of you can do that try to do that okay i don't believe that no do that please and this was such a phenomenal exchange people love that antenna too they love that crazy hair Are you going to bring back I liked you like this yeah I streamlined I worried about that antenna like that could get caught in something do what it could get caught like if you're in a situation situation and you know people grab shorts I don't think anyone should wear shorts either I think she wore tight maybe I can grab it like that's what I'm sure you could yeah you could you know what you could and it would be legal dominic reyes caught me in a in a guillotina in guillotina and i was there and and i said my fuck my i have the hair big fucking hair i can't can't give the uh the heads up so yeah that's what i'm saying that was the problem yeah that's what i'm saying yeah yeah i think shaved is better for you but it looks cool and that's what I'm saying, That was the problem, yeah. That's what I was saying.
In that moment, yeah. Yeah, I think shaved is better for you, but it looks cool.
And that's what I'm saying. Like, it's not about, right now, I feel like it's not about hair.
It's not about anything. It's just about to, how to say, to be there.
Be here and now. That's's yeah that's all what no bullshit just be in the moment especially right in the moment you have all this momentum on your side because of that spectacular victory so you must be very energized right now you must be really feeling like you're on the right path yeah but still this is uh this state and this feeling have the two sides.
So that's why I, because I know how it is to be a champion. How is this all this feeling? And still, how is, what is the, to not be the champion, and to really lost like a shit

felt what is the to not be the champion to to really lost like uh like a like like a shit fell on the ground like a shit after and uh so i realized that uh it's about to be just here right now to be just here right now in this moment and show true yourself.

Not playing, not...

You don't do stupid shit.

Don't do...

Don't have the war hair.

Be angry, be...

No.

Just be.

That's it.

Show your true self.

That's all.

And that's what I like on the States, on America.

Like they, everywhere, like they are okay with that, to show yourself, true yourself. And we, in Europe, we have some special thinking about America.
there is something better than something better than everywhere and you here just pushing more to everyone to just live through yourself and And maybe I'm wrong.

No, you're right.

But freedom.

Freedom.

Fuck, man.

Freedom allows you to be your best self.

Yeah.

And this is something what, man,

what is for me so inspirational.

Yeah.

But still, it's a gift, a big gift,

but a big, how to say, big weight. Yes, big responsibility.
Responsibility. Big responsibility because if you don't know how to work with the gun, it can be dangerous.
Right. Yeah.
Right, right, right. Yeah.
With great power comes great responsibility. Yeah.
Where you sit right now at the top of the heap, like after Ankulaev, especially after that performance, it's very likely that either you or a lot of people, forgetting about Jan Bohovic, I always like to give him his props because Jan Bohovic is still one of the best fighters in the world. And I would like to see him get another shot because he's also 41 or 42, I think now.
And, you know, he doesn't have much time left in his prime. And Jan is maintained, like even at 40 years old, still doesn't show any signs of deterioration.
That's right. When I thought about my next opponents,

there was just like these guys.

Ankalaev, Pereira.

The Pereira's most,

but let's see how the negotiations will be.

The Pereira, Ankalaev, and maybe the Bakovic.

So these three guys I see, still there I see the challenge. The challenge because I want to go somewhere where I will feel I can because every time when there is a challenge, there is a new you.
There is something new, what you need to overcome, what you need to rule, what you need to observe. Yes.
They're the elite level of the game. Yeah.
You know, Jan Bojovic, he's one of the, I think, the only guys to go the distance with Pereira other than Bruno Silva, right? Yeah, because he has the that guy's made out of iron I mean I'll never forget the fight with Ankalaev when he was just going shin to shin with Ankalaev and Ankalaev could barely walk Jan Bojovic is made out of rocks man that dude man I thought like he won that fight but very close very close fight but you could definitely see giving it to Jan Bojovic there's's a lot of those fights. Here's another thing that I think should happen in the UFC.
I think we need more than three judges I don't even think that the judges some judges are very good. I think the judging in California was very good.
I think overall I think We need at least five judges. I think three is too little I think we need because there's too many times where two judges get it wrong and the crowd is like what the fuck I think if you had five judges then you have two judges that would Counterbalance that other and they'd be three two in the right direction and you get a good result Okay I think you're more likely to get a good result an accurate result of what the fans and the experts see about the result of a fight Then you would if there was only three judges or fighting to win.
Yes fighting to win Well, that that's the I mean what Gordon likes to do Gordon Ryan likes to do is no No time limit fights He does no time limit fights with no points like listen. We're going to submission This is what this game is about is a bit me strangling you.
that's right yeah yeah yeah imagine that if they started doing the ufc like the old ufc like ufc one no rules maybe for somebody it will be a little bit uh like they will not like it because it will be maybe sometimes it will be long maybe but maybe so what yeah yeah that's fighting yeah that's fighting people watch baseball yeah no no offense against baseball Yeah, that's fighting. People watch baseball.
Yeah.

No offense against baseball, but that shit's boring as fuck compared to fighting. You know what's my theory about that? So there is sports, a lot of sports, but the first one, first sport, first version of sports? For the version of sport was like one man wants to overcome the second man yes and it came from dna from d from dna from fight from fight for these piece of from being caveman for food from eat for food fighting predators yeah.
This is it. That's why it came from.
And in the time, there was like, let's do another competition. Another competition.
Right. To not be.
So violent. So violent.
But to be honest, the realest one competition is the one man against the second man. That's why that sport translates through all languages.
It's the only sport that translates. Like cricket.
Cricket is huge in other parts of the world. Nobody watches cricket in America.
In other parts of the world, billions of people watch cricket. Nobody gives a fuck about cricket here.
Put cricket TV You'll no one's gonna watch and we in a time we gave the some rules the kimonos all these things. No let's Well, that was the beauty of the first UFC The first UFC was just wild no weight classes.
No, no No real rules other than I pose you there's Son was fighting Keith Hackney, and Keith Hackney was caught in a guillotine, and he's just punching Joe Son in the balls. It's a famous scene.
Do you remember that? I remember watching that going, oh, this is awful. This is awful.
There's another one in Brazil. Big Daddy Goodrich was fighting this guy named the Pedro.
Look at this. Just pure nut shots.
Just one after the other right to the balls. This is horrible to watch.
Show me the monk training. But here's the thing.
If he's wearing a cup, especially if he's wearing a Thai cup, a steel cup, which I also think should be illegal. I don't think you should have steel cups because steel cups act as a leverage point as well.
Not only that, you could break your foot on it. It's an unnatural object.
And then if you get someone in an arm bar with a steel cup, you could break it. It's an extra leverage point.
It's like bending a stick over a rock use it like a weapon yeah and you kenny florian used to always fight with a tie steel cup and he's like i don't know why anybody would fight with anything else because it hurts them when they kick me yeah yeah and it really is like a good leverage point it's also good for the mount if somebody mounts you there was a guy that i used to train with a beer renovarti and he used to get on top of you and mount you and drive his cup, drive his dick in your solar plexus, and you'd want to tap. It was horrible, but it was smart.
I mean, if it's legal, it's a smart thing. Find a way between the laws.
Imagine if nobody had cups, if cups were illegal. There'd be so much more nut shots.
Maybe somebody will find a way how to jump with the these couple to do a face like those guys i don't think so i don't think that's real i don't think that would work but other than that the you know the rules uh they're pretty good they're getting a little bit better i'd like knees on the ground as well knees to the head i don't think a opponent should be allowed to be in a turtle when your head is vulnerable you have to move you have to avoid those knees and that's a like before my last fight right now uh the the ref referee um sorry i didn't with the with a big mustache oh mike beltron mike beltron yes sorry my beltron because he's a good guy and uh he tried to uh to tell me like how to when because i didn't know that the change of the rules the change of the rules like when the hands down right when it's not uh when it's not the elbow when the hands down and you're staying and the legs and hands down you can need the opponent to the hands still so man that better. That's better, much better.
Much better because guys were gaming the system. They put a hand down so they couldn't get knee in the face.
That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense.
You should not be doing that. Yeah, that's a good rule that they changed.
Another rule is the 12-6 elbow. That should be legal too, and now that's legal again.
That's the only reason for Jon ever having a loss you know so there's good movement on the rules, Ryzen allowed knees to the head to a grounded opponent and kicking did you get accustomed to that and have to like get that out of your system when you came to the UFC is there any moments where you like thought about throwing a soccer kick? No no I didn't thought about that but when you are when you are still, when you are in the control, in the fighting, what's the, I think, the biggest thing of the fighter in the fighting to stay in, in the control. So you know what to do, what can't to do.
But there's moments when you don't control yourself too much so so it's dangerous but in racing i used that i you i did that like i think i twice yeah yeah it's very effective it should be allowed yeah i think it should be allowed i think the only problem with soccer kicks is the cage so the cage if your head is right there and you get stomped you can't move yep yep so this it's the unnatural barrier of the cage that's a problem that's why i think basketball court yeah matted down basketball court just two men in the center of it have a warning track where you go outside the warning track too many times you lose points yeah because you're trying to avoid the fight plenty of movement plenty of time to room and if someone gets you down i was just trying to better right to imagine that and it's it's better it's good it's much better yeah it's better because you wouldn't be able to just stall the fight out by holding someone against the cage yes because sometimes when fighters are exhausted they'll just clinch against the cage try to catch their breath that wouldn't be allowed you couldn't do it there would be no opportunity to do that that's right That's right also if you got taken down you'd have to get up with skill you can't just use the cage to get up it's very hard especially if you got a great wrestler like Islam on top of you very hard to get up any other way then wall walking yeah just right now I'm thinking about it I think about about the name of the movie hunger games yeah just to put somebody and somebody somewhere yeah and they will find each other's in the natural environment environments and they will fight together and everybody will watch that so yeah so give them weapons well have you seen those they do have like people with armor on fighting sword fights now. Yeah, yeah.

Crazy.

Just a matter of time before they take that armor off. Yep, yep.
That's right. In some crazy country, some wilder country, they're just million-dollar purse, you fight with swords.
So, jeez. Then you're back to the Roman days, the Colosseum.
Yeah, but still, how I see that, when we are going higher in understanding everything, we have to go, maybe I'm wrong, deeper in these raw things. We want to see more raw because to be not, to go, you understand me? Yes, I do, because the consequences are higher.
be not to go and you understand me yes I do because the consequences are higher you have to get more pure so did you ever read any Miyamoto Musashi you know I read yeah of course I don't even have to ask but the book of five rings he talks about that because Miyamoto Musashi was such a great sword fighter that he believed the only way to fight at your best is you have to be a balanced person, very balanced. You have to be an artist.
You have to be able to do calligraphy and write poetry. You can't just be aggression.
You have to be completely balanced. And he believed in that so strongly and taught that so strongly in the Book of Five Rings that if you if you think about how he applied it to sword fighting it makes sense everything what you're saying makes sense because you have to be completely pure when it's just two men and swords yeah you can't have any bullshit you can't let the ego get you on the wrong line because you're not just going to get punched in the face you're going to lose your head that's right yeah that's right there is no yeah no time and that's why that's why i don't like it there's no time for a talking there is no time for a bad word in your uh talk no time for a bad move in the fighting.
So your mind has to stay controlled, stay present and use do nothing what's not useful for this moment. Right now, we are natural here, but when our life will...
These podcasts, these talking, maybe when you will not talk your... Everything true, everything honestly, it will cost you a life so we will ever we both we will pay attention of every our ward because in in that ages of miyamoto musashi there was uh even even the word can cost somebody's life yes So that's why they were so precise in everything.

That's the Japan.

Every movement, even the teapot, even the tea ritual is the art.

Yes. So that's why they were, and still they are, so precise in the thinking, in expressing your true self, not just talking, whatever, motherfucker, hey, how are you? Hey, what's up? This is something what I don't like to America.
Like everybody asks you, hey, how are you? And they don't care about your answer. And I want to stay and, hey, I'm great.
How are you today? No, he's not caring. He's going somewhere.
Right. So why ask me? Why are you doing this? Right.
It's a figure of speech, unfortunately. But still.
It's a kind figure of speech. How are you doing? I know.
But it's not real. Yes.
But it's not real. They don't really care what you're doing.
They don't care how are you. I understand.
It's kaizen. Let's be real.
But sometimes don't push it too much to the I'm important, every my word is important, every movement. So the true power is coming with lightness, to be lightness.
And lightness is not to take in so much seriously and take in too much light. So taking like don't care about what I'm saying.
So some still. Balance.
It's just balance. It's constant balance and staying pure.
Is that what you're feeling when you stare your opponents down? Because one of the fights with Pereira and the fight with Jamal Hill, you just lock on your opponent and you stare. And is that what you're doing in that moment, just trying to be completely present just to empty yourself of all bullshit that's the yeah this is the moment before the fight yeah it's all about that because there is no opponent there is a just a moment this moment I'm everywhere that's all I like it I'm everywhere but this is not something think what I'm telling.
You're everywhere. That's all.
Ooh, I like it. I'm everywhere.
Yeah, but this is not something what I'm telling you that because I want to be cool. No, no, no.
I don't think you are. This is a real truth.
Yeah. That's all.
So now that you have this big victory, what happens next? Do you wait for the UFC to call you? Do you wait for Anka Laev and Pereira to fight to see what happens next? This is what I am right now not expecting, what I want to see to fight. If the fight will happen because they are translating that so much, this is their fight.
So let's see see let's see who's the best and my attitude and right now i know that how i what to do to not to get better to do a real serious preparation to get prepared for both of them, doesn't matter who, and be ready for negotiation about the next fight. I won a title, but I will let the life to give me who's before me right now.
Who's the challenge right now before me. So it's just about whatever the challenge is, accept it, and then try to find your best self for this next performance as well.
That's right. It's an exciting time for you, man.
How old are you right now? 32. It's a perfect prime.
That's in your prime. It's an exciting time.
Are you enjoying this life? Yes, yes, yes, yes, enjoying. But, man, a long time nobody asked me for these questions, so I didn't think about that a long time.
But, yes, since I decide I want to go this way of the warrior, of a true man, to feel the true power and take it to my life and live with that,

not just to feel that and go away, but to keep it in a daily life. Yes, yes, I'm enjoying that.
And I don't know who said that. like watch watch yourself like an like an art like and like a David you are right you make a masterpiece master make a past masterpiece from your life and that's what I like to do in my meditations to take a step up watch yourself yourself, watch where you're going,

who you spend time with, where is your daily, what's your daily routines, how it makes it better, and then go into the deepest level of the present moment and live that

and stay with this

your best ideas, what you are connected with. Yes, so, yes, you ask me, yes, I live that, but I didn't in the time, right now I can say it right now but I didn't in the time I can say it right now I didn't expect it will cost you everything it will cost you your old personality and you will be reborn like a new personality yeah but still, I know somebody, my spirit, whoever, choose that.
Because I know this is the way. One of the things that I have to talk to you about was in the Alex Pereira fight, you thought that they were using some magic spirits.
Black magic. yeah.
Black magic. Yeah.
Why did you think that? You know, okay, I will take it from another start. Okay.
When I'm doing something, I'm doing that like, I'm extreme in everything what I'm doing. So I want to go to the bottom, to the bottom of the, to the start where the source of that, where it's going.
And the source of the spiritual world of that question, what is the spiritual world, where the source is,

if there is some weapons, how they use that in the cage. And I went in that so deep, so I get lost.
Really. so I had I had another

note deep so I get lost really so I had to I had another no other chance just to totally close this doors just believe that I am who I am who

to believe just

for ideas which I

started with

like the martial arts and all these things

and just

be in the gym and train

don't do

another this bullshit

because with Pereira

I really

get lost and I started

to believe

I don't know. another these bullshit because with Pereira I really get lost and I started to believe to another people to not just myself and this is something this is the this is the way to the hell to when you start stop believing yourself your true yourself and when you start believing some spiritual guys who's trying to protect you or giving you something and trying to lead you and they know what's the best for you.
And that was my biggest school in this life, I think. to so yeah that was my biggest school in this life, I think.
So, yeah, that was my last preparation to just believe in myself,

go to the gym and train.

Do a good camp, do a camp what was the first, your biggest inspiration.

So in Japan, I made a camp in Japan. Then I made high-altitude training in Mexico.
Then I went back to my city, Bruno, for my guys, for my team, and we made a solid, good camp, hard camp. And the last fight, I'm happy that...
Happy. What is it about getting down to the source that made you think he was using black magic? Yeah, it's every time a big...
No, big difference. Experience.
I said that that word big power when you are responsibility it's big responsibility not just big responsibility we are we are I want to speak right now so I don't want I don't want to speak about that fully because still it is something what I am humble for and I can say this is it. This is it.
Yeah, too, because everyone has their own way and nobody is, like even me, prepared for saying something, what can be for somebody, like take it seriously, you know. Maybe, man, again, I get lost in that.

So the thing is, I just started to believe.

I will not speak about where is the magic, how to use the magic.

But you believed that there was magic working against you.

Man, and that was the biggest power to my for my opponent because i was focused for him not for me you know and that's where the black magic lies and then because it gets you outside of your own head is that but is that black magic or is that just his presence as a champion? Because that's the aura of a fighter is a weapon.

He has.

Israel Adesanya when he was in his prime had that.

Mike Tyson in his prime had that.

Anderson Silva had that.

There's an aura that champions have when they're in their prime

that makes you think about them instead of yourself,

and it probably seems like Black Magic.

Yeah, but still, this is the, just for me, is the pure self-confidence. And to be pure self-confident, you can't think about your opponent.
And that was something what I made. That was something what I really went to another level.
Yeah. Yeah.
So when you look at yourself now and this amazing performance against Jamal Hill, are you imagining yourself even better? Are you constantly imagining yourself even more precise, even more accurate, even more yeah sure but right now i'm more in reality about that not not just in uh not just in imagination i want to see that in video right i want to be real i want to see the my the results of my work, all these things real, not just think like, still think about I can be better, I can do this, but I, no, I want to do, I want to be a champion and I'm going for that and I want to show that to everyone. That's all.
And I will show that, and then we can speak about the black magic again. No, because...
So right now you don't even want to concentrate on the idea of that. Yeah.
And to protect yourself from that, you just don't think about it and be in your

own it's mind it's all about that yeah it's all about that because in the like i said the mind is a big uh greatest surf but the baddest uh baddest the boss yeah yeah so that's why it can run away from you.

That's why I had to go back to

the Japan where as the boss yeah yeah so that's why it can run away from you yep yeah that's why I had to go

back to the Japan where like my old belief started to go really deep because there I started to be I don't know how to say

like not just

inspired but

to live

live it, really live it without anything. In managing your mind, I'm sure one of the most important things is to not have a lot of like negative influences not have a lot of negative thoughts and that do you spend any time on social media when you're in camp yeah yeah but but i'm doing just some posts and that's all yeah just post and post and go yeah that's it that's how to do it i Or post and maybe some answer to just a few of my friends.

And that's all.

No reading comments, no reading anything.

Because I'm here to, right now, I'm here to show you my way of the martial arts.

My way to the strength.

Where I still feel the way.

And this is it.

What is the days that you spend in darkness and silence?

What does that do for you?

Still, it's about exploring your mind.

Keep your mind disciplined. Keep your thoughts on the ground.
Observe. It's all about the mind.
And then about the training, because I trained there too, in that dark, you mean that dark room. Yeah yeah so meditation observing mind follow follow your and find the best the best of your what you can what you can achieve in this life what what you can, if you can, if you want, really.
And this is the question what everybody have to answer to ourselves. Which life we want to live? Which thoughts is the useful, which not, which I need to let go

and which I want to keep in my life.

And so it's just a deep exploration of your own mind.

Yes, maybe because there is a lot of levels like imagination, see some visualization, some life dreams, all these things. because after three days it's there is an opening the third third eye is opening and you can see

you can you can see you can see truly who you are and maybe sometimes somebody needs more days without food so it's going to be without food it's going to food, it's going to be like more intensive. Yeah.
Everything's

going much faster. So, yeah.
So when you started doing this, you do no food? Do you just drink water when you're in there? Yeah. And if you, to understand me, all these things I'm doing because I really decide like to use everything like a weapon in a fighting.
To use my mind, use my visualization, use everything. And that's why I went to this trip of the spirituality so deep because I thought there will be some special weapons what I can use in the fighting.
And the biggest special weapon is to be yourself, the realest yourself. That's all.
There is the...

That's the key.

That's the key.

Yeah.

Well, listen, brother, I'm a big fan.

I love watching you fight.

I really enjoy talking to you.

I wish you nothing but success,

and I can't wait to see you get after it again,

and I'm very happy for you and your improvement.

The last fight was incredible.

And thank you for everything.

Thank you.

Thank you, too. Thank you.

Tell everybody, do you have a website?

Do you have a website online?

What is your website?

I have just a brand.

Do you have a website or do you just have social media?

Social media, yeah, sure.

Just Instagram, Yuri Prochaska.

Yuri Prochaska, yes.

Instagram, Twitter too.aska. Yuri, Yuri Prochaska, yes.
Instagram, Twitter too.

Twitter is Yuri BJP. There it is.
Yep. That's it.
What does BJP stand for? Wow, man. Oh, this is...
What I came from, the stand, that young Yiri, not young Yiri, the true Yiri, but UFC don't like that. because I'm trying to tell them like this is the best Yuri Prochaska but in the

real is in Czech

is a Bombiak Pica

and

that I'm trying to tell them, like, this is the best Yuri Prochaska. But in the real is, in Czech, is a bombiak pica.

And that means, like, bombs as fuck.

So, because, yeah, that's it.

That's it.

So it's bomb as fuck Yuri Prochaska.

That's right.

That's it.

That's right.

Beautiful.

Yeah.

Looking for the biggest strength, that's all.

Yes, sir.

All right. Thank you, brother.
This was awesome this was awesome thank you really appreciate you thank you very much

all right bye everybody