#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. So we just watched this, what is this exact job? We watched this guy get assassinated, which is kind of, I've seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life.
Oh, yeah, dude. The Explorer page now is a disaster.
It's just like me and Tom Segura have this thing where we send each other the most fucked up thing we find every day. Yeah, yeah.
It's a brutal text thread. But because of it, now I'm locked into this algorithm.
He's the CEO of their insurance unit, which I don't know what the difference is and what people will hurt he's ceo but a targeted attack by a gunman waiting for him a real assassination 6 45 a.m outside the hilton on 6th avenue where the company's annual investor conference is about to take place yeah man i wonder what's going on with that that's the one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo i'm sure there's some real good theories floating around on x right now oh for sure is there it's gotta be the investor meeting has now been canceled obviously but so that was maybe the goal what's worse your uh x explorer page or your instagram uh my instagram oh really yeah my i don't i just follow i mean i follow a lot of people on both x and instagram it's i don't know if it's necessarily a good thing but when i someone said something interesting or they post something interesting on instagram i just immediately follow like let Like, let's see. Let's see if this will be fun.
But the thing about Twitter or X is that, like, I don't interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm. I'm mostly just reading stuff.
I don't really hardly ever, like, post anything. I think the problem is I'll click to watch a full video of the fucked up things so that it reinforces the algorithm.
Oh, you want to see this guy get shot or oh, you want to see this car accident. We'll give you more of those.
I've seen so many people get run over by cars. So many people.
Yeah, it's crazy because a lot of the stuff I've seen in the past year, I didn't even know could be on the internet.

Right.

I don't know how it is when there's so many things you can't put on.

Do you know that there's a loophole that the ladies use to show their breasts?

Which one?

Fake boobs, fake baby.

Oh, no.

Yeah, they use a fake baby.

So they breastfeed.

So you got these girls, these big juicy melons, and they pull one out and have a rubber baby and the rubber baby's sucking on its head. The baby looks so fake.
That's hilarious. But they can get some like pretty realistic fake babies.
Like what was that movie with the sniper movie about Chris Kyle? What was that called? Remember it was a movie where he had a fake baby and it was was, like, so obvious. He's got this, like, rubber baby, and he's, like, holding on to his child in this stupid scene.
I'm pretty sure on Twitter you can just post nudity without any, like, problems, right? You can post pornography. Yeah, dude, the replies to a lot of tweets that are irrelevant to porn, it'll just be like, that's cool, but have you seen my pussy? It'll be like some chick promoting her OnlyFans.
That's so common now. And I just like, the discourse is like half infested at this point.
They had this one lady who was saying she made $40 million this year on OnlyF on uh only fans oh yeah that's nuts 40 million

and she's a virgin i guess and she doesn't post sure sure she's a virgin sure she's a 23 year old big tittied version the only one that exists in the whole world yeah that's an interesting uh scenario if true because it's like a lot of dudes want to shit on these chicks for being like prostitutes, essentially. Right.
But like if she was actually a virgin and she's posting like almost nude, but not quite, but making a bunch of money off it. Yeah.
There's like two contradictory things going on right now. Yeah, she wins.
But the problem is, this is, I mean, I don't want to tell anybody to not do anything. Like, ladies, you do what you want, you do you.
If I was a young, pretty girl, I'd probably be on OnlyFans. I'd probably make some money.
Fuck it. Why would I want to be a waitress when I could just show my tits? That's how I would look at it.
The problem is twofold. One, you become addicted

to an extraordinary amount of money if you're successful at it, right? So there's like a

scale of people on the OnlyFans apparently. We talked about this, right? Most of the gals

don't make that much money. Most of them-

Yeah, I mean, what's that much? Six figures or millions or-

No, like even less. Most of them make a few thousand dollars a month.
I think so. I think out of this 43, one guy paid her five million, she said.
Dude, that's insane. It would suck, too, if you went full board and you did actual porn and just got banged on camera just for thinking you're going to become a multimillionaire and then you still are like...
You would have to get banged on camera a lot for years to really develop a fan base and you have to do a really good job like every time super enthusiastic but my point is like you're not going to like most beautiful young women want a high value man as a husband if let's say they're heterosexual let's just assume they want to get married if they do want to get married they do want a high-value man as a husband, if, let's say they're heterosexual,

let's just assume they want to get married.

If they do want to get married,

they do want a relationship,

you're not going to get a high-value man,

especially if you're making millions of dollars a year doing this.

You're going to want a guy who makes millions of dollars a year, right?

You're not going to want a guy who makes less than you.

You're probably used to buying fucking Louis Vuitton this and that, and you're used to all this shit. So you're probably, you're not going to want a guy who makes less than you you're probably used to buying fucking louis vuitton this and that and you're used to all this shit so you're probably you're wealthy right so you're already your dating pool's smaller because you're probably not interested in a guy who makes a hundred thousand dollars a year like a regular guy to you is like what is he going to do he can't even take me anywhere this is bull i'm gonna pay for our vacation Get the fuck out of here, right? So you've already cut regular guys out.

So now you have a very small pool of men that you can date.

And then out of that pool, how many of them are going to accept the fact that you're doing this?

Now you have an even smaller pool.

So some guys will accept it, but for how long?

Like if you get real serious and you get married and then you're still showing your asshole to everybody?

But you're addicted to that money.

Let's go. will accept it but for how long like if you get real serious and you get married and then you're still showing your asshole to everybody that's you know you're in but you're addicted to that money like are you gonna pick a relationship over this guy who may or may not be dming his ex-girlfriend you know like you're gonna throw it all away and throw away this 40 million dollar year empire you've created or are you trapped in that essentially forever? Yeah, it's interesting the thresholds, though, too,

of where they become successful for what they're doing

because it seems like some of them don't have to show their asshole.

Really?

They just post, like, thirst trap, fitness girl-type content almost.

And people pay for that?

I think so.

But why would they pay for that when there's so much of that for free on Instagram? I know. That's like the common question.
My search page on Instagram is all butts. I assume it's something to do with like you follow this person and like you get a bigger hit of dopamine probably from being able to potentially see more revealing something from somebody that you are like a fan of already.
I think it's interaction. That I think is a big component too because it's like I think half the income is like DMs.
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Yeah. Or, you know, you got some Andrew Tate type deal.
There's a bunch of dudes who are like pounding on the keyboard where the girl shows her tits. Yeah.
Which is what he did for years. Yeah.
Innovator. Yeah.
And the curve. Yeah.
Yeah. you're going to not have any idea whether it's even a real person, right? Because there's a bunch of AI-generated girlfriends or girls, rather, that have OnlyFans where they don't even exist.
They're not even a physical being. Yeah, there's some pretty big Instagram pages, I think, that are just, like, fake.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, and it's just like even I think they're owned by entities like companies that have like an army of AI chicks. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Which is crazy. And they generate a lot of money.
I've seen the comment section on a couple of them too. And shockingly, well, maybe not.
I don't know. But there's a lot of people that are engaging with it like it's a real person.
And I thought it was pretty obvious it was AI,

but I mean like some people are pretty stupid. Well, there's a high percentage of people in this country that have a below 85 IQ.

Like a real good percentage.

Isn't it like 15 or 20%?

Is it something nutty like that?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's like the same amount that people that are like above it are going to be below.

It's like a standard deviation of like averages and stats.

Yeah, there's people that are about as smart as a Labrador.

They just can talk.

Then you can trick them.

Yeah, yeah.

And if you can get those dumbasses that work at Subway

to donate $5 a month and you get enough of them.

Have you seen the UFC collab with that OnlyFans chick? There's a UFC collab with the OnlyFans chick? Pull it out. What is this? So there's this girl who, to spark outrage and get engagement, she breaks exotic cars.
She'll stand on a Lambo and just smash the windshield or something. What? And just shake her ass.
And then it gets tons of views, and there's a bunch of guys freaking out because she's disrespecting a nice piece of machinery or whatever. But at the end of the day, she gets views from it and then more people go to her page and sign up to it.
But how much is a Lambo worth? Like Lambos are like half a million dollars, right? She'll smash like the windshield only or like a window from like the driver side and then do some call to action or something. Wow.
Pull up the UFC one. You'll be able to tell what I'm talking about better.
I know the girl you're talking about, but I didn't know she did something with the UFC. Yeah, Dana White posted it.
What? He's like, check this shit out. What? Yeah.
I got to find it a second. Unless they un-collaborate.
Is it on UFC Instagram? Yeah, it was like a collaboration I saw a few days ago. Okay.
What? They're giving away a McLaren or something for the next UFC event, I think. And she's the one who's talking about it after smashing the window of a limbo.
What? Yeah. Real? I thought it was kind of a weird combo.
This is the gal? Oh, don't do it. Don't.
Is that a crowbar? Oh, what the fuck are you doing? Oh, Jesus. That's why I'm giving away this McLaren 600 LT at Power Slab for free.
Check out the links in our bios on how to enter. Wow, we're the dumbest fucking race.
We're so dumb. What are the accounts that collabed with it? It was UFC, right? Yeah, it was for Power Slap event.
Of course it's for Power Slap. That's just as dumb.
We are the dumbest motherfuckers that have ever lived. We really are.
What do you think about Power Slap? I don't. I don't.
I don't get it. I've watched it a ton of times on little Instagram reels.
When it shows up, I watch guys get KO'd. I would never advise anybody to do it.
I don't care how good you are at getting slapped. I don't care how good you are at slapping people.
For me, the whole idea of fighting is to hit and not get hit. The whole idea is the skill.
It's like you impose your skill set. It's like a human chess game.
That's the opposite. You're just standing in front of each other, whacking each other in the face.
But I will watch. So if people want to do it, that's your jam.
You know, if you're some giant fat guy. We see one of those guys actually had a fight, a dirty boxing fight with Yoel Romero.

He was like the freaks of all freaks.

Yeah, he was like the dirty boxing king, dude.

He's also super juicy now.

He's a heavyweight now.

So Yoel is 47.

So he was competing under pretty rigorous testing with the UFC as far as, like, you know, I'm sure you would disagree. But look at what he looks like now.
We could talk about that later. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
This is Yoel now. He smashes this guy.
Look at the size of him. This is not a good video, Jamie.
Find another video of it. There's the actual video of it from the fight event.
That's like someone's camera from the side view. But he's huge.
Yoel's like 220 now. 225 maybe.
He's fucking massive. He used to suck down to 185 and then what would he walk in at though? I think like two.
Well, when he would weigh 185, this was back when Yoel was fighting, there was actual weigh-ins. So right now there's actual weigh-ins, but it's a ceremonial weigh-in.
Like tomorrow at the UFC, I'll host a ceremonial weigh-in. So the fighters weighed in at like 9 o'clock in the morning.
The ceremonial weigh-in is at 5 p.m. They've had the entire day to rehydrate.
So Yoel back in those days was 185 when you weighed in at 5 p.m. at 185.
And you couldn't believe he was 185 because I would be like 200 pounds. And I'd be sitting there.
I'm like, how? How am I bigger than you? This defies all known laws of physics and gravity. It doesn't make any sense.
He was massive. These enormous traps.
He was one of the rare guys that when he would suck weight, he didn't look smaller. He still looked fucking huge, man.
Yeah, he has really round muscle bellies, so it's almost like bodybuilder-esque in terms of how much bigger you look just cosmetically to you. So this guy that he's fighting is a slap fight guy.
And look at the size of of you all now He's definitely less lean. Yeah, he's less lean.
He's eating whatever he wants, but he's still got a six-pack But he's fucking Massive dude, so how do you end up in this league? Oh, I think this is Mike Mike Perry's thing I think he's putting this together. He's involved with it in some way, shape, or form.

Yoel is just basically toying with this guy.

This guy has literally no

business. No disrespect to the man, but

no business in

the ring with this world-class

athlete. How much do you got to get paid

to go in and fight

Yoel for this? He has $15.

Watch how he hops up in the air before

he decides to go. What is that about? He just decides to, like, hop in the air.
He's like, enough. Let me end this.
He just decides it's time to end it. Oh, my God.
He's fucking huge, dude. Look at his back.
Look at his back. That guy used to weigh 185.
And, by the way, see the back of his neck? He is a fully fused neck if he wasn't You know 36 when he entered into the UFC That's how old he was when he first started fighting who's already passes professional prime when he first started fighting in the UFC You know if he had gotten into MMA when he was 20 probably nobody would have ever beaten him Hmm. He's the freak of all freaks when it comes to like athletic specimens like he's the freak yeah when was his last fight in the UFC quite a while ago he fought Adesanya I want to say five years ago when did he fight Israel and I think maybe he had one other fight other than that but you know you know, he was knocking guys dead at 40.
Dude, the cost of March 7th, 2020. There you go.
So that was his last fight in the UFC. So the last four years he's been competing for Bellator.
And so they're a little less stringent. They don't have a USADA deal or now whatever it's called, drug-free sport.
I think they call it now. That's the new company, which is essentially the same protocols, but they don't wake you up on the day of the weigh-ins or anything like that.
USADA was gross. They would take these guys that are dehydrated, starving themselves, day before the fight, wake them up at 6 o'clock in the morning.
Did you see that article I sent you about the USADA corruption? Yes. So let's talk about that.
Yeah. So basically, and this was like a WADA press release too.
So it's not like it was some journalist or something. It's like on the official WADA site.
And they were basically exposing how USADA was covering up test results. For which athletes? Unnamed.
Which sports? They wouldn't say. They just said like Olympic-level athletes and elite athletes and kept it very vague.
Really? And essentially, they disclosed what they had tested positive for, and even that one of them was an Olympic-caliber athlete, and their entire career, they got to go until retirement without getting exposed

just because they helped USADA supposedly catch other people.

Oh, they were narcs?

So, like, yeah, so if you helped them catch people,

then you could get away with using, like, full board testosterone.

No!

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

So they're like a drug dealer that works for the government yeah wow and this was like one of the reasons of many why like hunter and others are very critical of usata and are glad they're not under it anymore well there's a lot of stupidity with their regulations like one of them is bbc 157 which is natural in the human body you know and peptides all they're doing is helping you heal you're literally dealing with a sport where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training and you're not going to like assist these people in healing like wouldn't that only benefit everybody there's no like fear of like harm there's no there's like no one's dying from bb BBC 157 within the code there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended wow look how they phrase that how what dirty language proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended what does that mean it means you're you're allowing them to cheat. However, there's a clear process for that, which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating the...
Wait a minute. What are you saying then? So it doesn't do that.
They're saying it doesn't do that. At the bottom, WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents.
Okay, so they pretended that they wouldn't let someone compete if they were doping, but they still did. Yeah, while they were on shit.
Wow. Imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like that.
The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated. In that case, when USADA eventually admitted to WADA what had been going on, it advised that any publication of consequences or disqualification of results would put the athlete's security at risk.
What? And asked WADA to agree to non-publication. What? Were they worried about that with Lance Armstrong? What the fuck are you talking about? Security at risk.
In another case of a high-level athlete, USADA never notified WADA of its decision to lift an athlete's provisional suspension, which is an appealable decision, despite being required to do so under the code. Had WADA been notified, it would have never allowed this.
Wow, interesting. It sounds like this was somewhat how they operated as if they had a high-profile enough person or certain circumstances, they would kind of autonomously decide, hey, if you work alongside us to catch other people because you might know something that we don't or what have you, then we'll just let you, you know, no one will know.
That's so dirty. That's so dirty.
That's literally contrary to the whole reason why they exist. Yeah.
What's really crazy is, I mean, according to the UFC, so what happened was the UFC had some disputes with them and decide to sever their relationship. And then USADA publicly said that UFC is going to allow their competitors to do steroids now, which is not the case at all.
They already had a contract in place with Drug Free Sport. I talked to the guy from Drug Free Sport, and he was essentially laying out the product.
It was essentially identical. No BPC-157, no testosterone, nothing.
you can't do anything. The standards are actually much higher now, too, in contrast.
Like, you said, I would claim, or at least suggest, that they were doing full-spectrum, bulletproof testing, but it turned out they were almost never EPO testing. The HGH testing was never really done, and then also the isoform, uh, what was it? The, uh, isotope ratio mass spec was, uh, not really being done either.
Was that a, like a budget thing? Like it was too expensive? Yeah, it's, I believe so. And also time intensive, um, for some of these tests as well.
And I guess for like the number of tests they were conducting, perhaps it was too extensive or I don't really know what the exact motivation was. Like often you would think it comes down to budget and time.
But also if you have an expert who just thinks it's not warranted to go further, like the same way if you went to a doctor and you'd be like, should I test this? They'll be like, oh, if we know this, like who cares? It's necessary. Like, I don't necessarily know they went to the depth and rigor to claim somebody did or didn't cheat if I have, you know, preliminary data that you would exclude having to go further.
Sometimes you don't have to, you know, test further if there's not an atypical finding. Yeah, but like, if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's an event in Mexico City, which is 7,700 feet above sea level, that place is brutal.
That's where Cain Velasquez, who was known as probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time, he fought Fabricio over Doom and he did not prepare prepare properly Fabricio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for like four months So Fabricio speaks fluent Spanish lived in Mexico Like it was really got ready and he became Velasquez in that night to become the champion and he had tremendous cardio and came was just dying That's how brutal Mexico City is so imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these really high-altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City, and you don't test for EPO? Yeah, no, I'm saying. That's crazy.
That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, particularly if you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title.

Yeah.

And it's like some of this stuff, even if you're looking for it, is quite difficult to detect anyway.

It's like micro dosing EPO is still they're trying to refine the parameters and determine with greater scrutiny how to detect it.

How long is the life is detectable inside your body?

I believe it's like a few days. And that's if're using like, that's not a microdose protocol either.
How much of a benefit do you get from microdosing? Fairly significant given you can even just retaining your baseline parameters if you're weight cutting can be quite helpful. So it's almost like offsetting, for example, the suppression of hormones or the suppression of like any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation.
If you can sustain it at normal is performance enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages. Well, that's why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down the flyweight to fight Henry Cejudo, which is when he got popped.

But he looked like a skeleton.

Did you ever see those weight cut?

Yeah, that was insane.

I might be misspeaking on the detection time of EPO, by the way, but it's at minimum the microdose protocols that are being implemented still.

Even most recent literature, you find upwards of 50% of the studied participants where they're actually looking for it still pass their testing. Really? Yeah.
Wow. Well, one of the things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use, especially like directly after cardio, imparts like a microdose EPO effect.
Have you read anything about that? Not recently, no. So I don't know.
Maybe you could brush me up. Well, maybe we could find it, but I know it's helped my cardio.
It helped significantly because I went through an injury once where I couldn't do any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while. And whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that, it would be the first few days were fucking brutal.
And it wasn't brutal at all. And it was because of regular sauna.
Sauna bathing can increase the production of EPO, a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells. This can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen.
Now, it says here's how plasma volume, when you sit in a sauna, you sweat, which comes from blood plasma. As your blood plasma levels decrease, your kidneys release EPO.
So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO? It's similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone and other hormones. They look for, does it look like an endogenous signature? So different compounds, there's different ways to analyze.
But in general, it's going to be either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would be have a blatant difference between what you would make naturally endogenously versus exogenous origin, which is the way they make it in a lab, does not necessarily look exactly the same. So even though it's EPO that you're injecting, it's actually like recombinant, a.k.a.
made in a lab and not like it's not like they're literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you. It's like grown in a lab, essentially.
Right, right. Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Nowitzki actually said could be an issue, is that it is possible, at least theoretically, to take testosterone from animals.
Yeah. So find a mammal-based testosterone instead of getting it from – so they create it from wild yams, right?

Yeah.

So wild yams from Mexico apparently are where they get all the testosterone when you buy testosterone, sip and eat or whatever. And soy.
Yeah. Soy? Yeah.
What do you mean? They use soy to, like the phyto, some of the compounds in the soy as well as yams look similar molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically converted to testosterone. So you can just manipulate that slightly to have like a highly reproducible at scale for low cost way to make hormones.
And that's how testosterone is made. Oh, that's interesting because soy is always associated with like soy boys bad stuff yeah it's associated with high estrogen levels yeah i think the two primary ways they synthesize this episode is brought to you by warfare from a24 written and directed by iraq war veteran ray mendoza and civil wars alex garland warfare embeds audiences with a U S Navy platoon, but when their operation goes wrong, the only way out is together a visceral boots on the ground.
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Testosterone now is soy and yams. So Nowitzki was saying that, at least in theory, a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals.
And then it would be impossible to differentiate. Yeah, I think maybe the first time I came on, we talked about the carbon isotope ratio testing and having a CIR proof testosterone formulation if athletes are doing that.
And I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more. And it does seem like there's strong evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing.
Now they're looking at like hydrogen ratios because it's more minute and specific, apparently, as opposed to with the carbon content. They've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures.
Wow. And your diet, even what you ingest, can change what your signature is too.
Because they have to use, as like a reference, they use, for example, from your urine, they'll find some other compound that is like upstream from testosterone, for example. And they will use that as a benchmark of this is what your signature is of the carbon content of sex hormones.
And then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this, they know that, okay, however you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone. So through that, we can infer that it you know, it's probably of exogenous origin, but if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones, like you, you would never be able to tell.
So it's possible if you were sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream, even though you've injected it yeah and if you had like animal grade

testosterone or cholesterol even from like a medical grade you know compound facility or something like you could probably react it down and create like a cir proof testosterone god it would be it seems like it'd be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out Maybe, but it's like the access to lab equipment and high level testing is not as uh the barrier is a lot lower than it used to be for sure like there are i even have heard of people paying off water accredited labs to get like testing done to really yeah so they could like assess where they stand in terms of like some of the testing that they would do to see if they'd pop or not.

Is that legal?

No.

So they bribe WADA allegedly?

There's WADA accredited labs not just in the States,

but in other countries where they're a bit more corrupt

and you can persuade them to test your samples.

Oh, so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere.

Yeah.

And then they go, yeah, senor, you got problems. Senor, this does not look good.
Yeah. But, yeah, if you do enough homework, you can, you know, develop a biological passport internally with your own team and, you know.
Interesting. Know you're bulletproof rather than just guessing.
Yeah. Well, there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time before he tested positive.
And one of the concerns was that he was testing himself, that he had gotten tested like a number of times, which generally you don't do. Now, why was that recorded though? Like that they have his medical records? because you can just like pay for blood tests and urine analysis i might be speaking at a turn uh i might be speaking at a school here i don't remember i don't remember the thing but i remember someone who knows things telling me yeah you know i'm kind of on the inside so someone someone who knows things on the inside told me, he got tested like 20 fucking times or something crazy like that during camp.
Oh, he was for sure trying to get around that. Well, he's also pissed hot.
This is when he fought Mark Hunt. And there's a giant lawsuit involved right now.
Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't know if that lawsuit has been, if it's still ongoing or what the deal was.
But Mark Hunt was furious. Yeah.
It was obvious when you look at the guy. I mean, he was like 39 years old, 300 pounds, like cutting down to 265.
He was fucking huge, man. Yeah, what's even more interesting, too, is the storage of samples.
A lot of sports don't actually do it. So with Olympic testing, oftentimes the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past.
So once they've refined the testing and actually are able to detect, you know, long-term metabolites of terenobol or something of that nature. But in a lot of sports, like especially in the, in the U S for like traditional professional sports, they're not storing urine typically.
Right. So if you have more refined tests and get developed, oftentimes there's no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time.
Right. And at least from what I've seen, there's a really good paper.
One of the guys I know who's on the inside on this, his name is Alex Cagliari-Turner. He has excellent information and studies on this stuff.
But he did a paper that basically outlined how I think 75% of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the Summer Olympic Games for the past, I don't know, it was like a full decade of analyzation. It was like 75% of them tested years later, not at the actual time of winning their medal.
So if they're only being popped, you know, three out of four people are getting popped retroactively over a half decade later or more based on advancements in testing, you can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing, given that retroactively, they're not being tested at all. Right.
So it's like if you're ahead of the curve now, there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now, even if what you took had a more refined assay developed five years from now, they're not going to go get your sample and retry it. Right.
That makes sense. But wasn't there a famous Russian wrestler who was popped because they went back and looked at his old stuff, like once they developed new testing protocols? Wasn't it an Olympic athlete? Yeah.
Yeah. That's why, because Olympic games, they started storing samples in 2004.
So they're a bit more rigorous about that. And there are probably some sports that store, but the majority don't.
Yeah. And it's like, you know, you could say it's corruption or you could say it's, you know, people trying to, the sport trying to cover it up.
But I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints too, because it's like, you still have to be a profitable enterprise and, you know, I don't know how much you can, you know, scrutinize the economics on something like that. You're also managing at scale, right? Like how many athletes are you dealing with? Yeah.
How much time do you have to go back and, you know, review all the different urine samples? Yeah. No, but it gets crazy because it kind of, it highly suggests that in a lot of sports, as long as you're ahead of the curve, you're probably good.

Yeah.

Now, obviously, you have to actually beat the test now, which is more and more rigorous by the year, of course.

But at least historically, what we've seen is the testing usually lags behind the methods that are being developed to get around it.

Is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective? Yeah, like in general, the most effective stuff is going to be bioidenticals, which are being tested for, but it's like at the scale, it's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test at all. Like, you know, we saw with USADA, they were barely doing adequate in-depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing.
So I would say those are probably the go-tos, you know, like EPO especially and HGH. There are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Like I think it's called trimtazidine. There was some like top level tennis player who just popped like a week ago or something.
And what is that? It's like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team got popped for a few years back. Yeah, it was like 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing.
and then they claimed it was like 23 chinese swimmers before the tokyo olympics got popped using this thing and then they claimed it was like food contamination or something and they were like oh that's i guess that's what happened and then a bunch of those two of those athletes won medals in the recent paris olympics and 11 of them were allowed to compete still what does it do? It shifts your efficiency of fuel utilization. So basically, in general, to create ATP, your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose.
And in endurance events, which is heavily oxygen sapping, if you can shift, which is what this drug does, it inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes more glucose than fatty acids, which is a less oxygen intensive process. So you can basically conserve oxygen proportional to the amount of ATP you're producing.
So in an endurance event, if you can have more oxygen for less cost internally, then it's highly performance enhancing. Or it should be, you know, it's kind of speculative as to if it's actually performance enhancing, but it's kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for this drug.
Oh, by the way, you said the first time I was here, you said, uh, uh, the Russian Olympics, the only people who didn't pop were the figure skaters. Yeah.
Yeah, there was a Russian figure skater who was 15 who was on this angina medication. Well, that kind of makes sense, right? Because one thing you would want is more oxygen and endurance when you're figure skating.
It's pretty cardio intensive when you're spinning around and flying around. Yeah.
Yeah. For sure.
But they said that steroids, they found gross motor skills. He's so loud, dude.
You can nudge him, keep him from fucking snoring so loud. But they found that testosterone and things along those lines, like actual steroids, it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater that it didn't enhance.
But that was Gregory, whatever his name was, from Icarus. Yeah, yeah.
And, like, I could see, obviously, the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport because, you know, there are some sports where, you know, being heavier is going to be problematic. Right.
And you might, you know, want something that could enhance, I don't know, your cognitive capacity or whatever it may be. Or slow down your heart rate, for example, for archery or different applications for sure.
Like beta blockers. Yeah, like for archery, for example, things like propranolol are highly effective.
As well as for public speaking, playing piano publicly. I think there's a famous pianist who uses drug too.
Yeah, I've heard of people using beta blockers. Snipers too.
Really? Yeah. It makes sense, right? Yeah.
Just dropping that anxiety response. Yeah, and if it crosses the blood-brain barrier like propranolol does, it actually calms you down very significantly.
It's not just about lowering lowering the heart rate it also like de-stresses you like it's an anti-anxiety drug essentially wow yeah you've never tried it no for archery i'd be wondering if it was uh i thought about doing it once i even asked my doctor about it he was going to get it for me but i was like i don't want to cheat like half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together and if you could just do it like if I could just shoot at a deer the way it shoot at a target I don't think it would be the same yeah fair enough yeah it's like part of it is a purist yeah in that regard because part of it is the discipline of managing your mind yeah that's what I like about it I like that. It's hard to do.
I don't want it to be easier You know, it's fucking hard to do and that's literally why I like it Like if I could take a drug that would make it easier to do. I don't think I would like it.
I'm very effective right now. I'm very I'm real successful at bow hunting, you know relatively for like it's a non If like I go to a lot of really great places to hunt cause I have money.
I'm fortunate, but relatively speaking, bow hunting is not a successful endeavor. It's like maybe 10% of the hunts, like when people get tags, maybe, probably less in most places actually harvest an animal.
How often do you do it? I do it twice a year. I go on a big elk hunt, and I do, like, a bunch of pig hunts and stuff like that.
In between that, maybe one deer hunt. And it's, like, how intensive of a prep is it? And, like, the whole process of doing the trip, is it, like, a multi-day thing? Yeah, I go for, a week.
The really intensive part though is the preparation for it. And I was going to tell you about this too, because I actually fucked my body up getting ready for this one.
So when hunting season approaches for like three months out of hunting season, I ramp up all my cardio and all my bow, my archery. So I practice in my backyard.
I practice archery. I'm shooting at 85 yards.
I shoot an 84 pound bow and I might shoot it a hundred times a day. So I'm pulling 80 pounds, 84 pounds, a hundred times in a day.
And I'm doing it day after day, after day, after day, I do it five, six days a week. So I was developing like severe pain in my lower back on my right side that led to like sciatica.
And I was also developing some severe neck pain on my right side. So this is, it's all, it's really an unbalanced thing, right? Because I really should draw something back with my, I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right, but I don't.
So you draw back. So I'm pulling, it's 84 pounds to pull it back.
It's at least for the beginning of the cycle. And then the cams rotate over and it significantly lowers.
Like the holding weight is, I think my holding weight is like 20%, 20 or 25% of the actual weight of the bow. But what happens is as you're pulling back and you lock it in place, the way archery works is you want to what's called pull at the wall, right? So where the string hits the end where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow, I'm pulling hard against that wall.
So I'm steady, right? And then I'm trying to relax this shoulder and pull and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back with my lower back muscle so on my right side it was just getting locked up like painful and stiff and sore like hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going I would do it for hours three hours a day just hours and hours and hours and I just developed a real problem to the point where like when I was the last trip, when I was going up hills, my hips were getting numb. Like my glutes weren't firing.
I was getting sciatic pain. It was pretty bad.
So I knew after hunting season was over, I was going to have to address it. So I got some stem cell shots, which definitely helped.
I started doing a lot of stretching, no archery for a couple months, a lot of like hard foam. Like it's, I have a, from elite flexibility, they make like a PVC roller with like a very thin layer.
So it's very hard. And I was doing a lot of rolling, rolling in the sauna, cold plunge, sauna, stretching, and it was getting a little better slowly, but it was brutal.
Like it was taking a long time to recover. And then I started doing this thing called NewFit.
And what NewFit is, is electrical muscular stimulation while you're going through exercise routines. And so they slap these electro pads all over your muscles and fully contract you.
And then you go through

exercises while you're doing it. And it's like significantly increased my rehabilitation.

I've only been doing it for a few weeks too. I've only been doing it for like three weeks.
All my

back pain's gone. Mobility's back.
No more sciatica at all. No issues at all.
And everything is like much lo. It's coming back.
So do you find that more effective than stem cells? No, I think it's the combination of things. It's very hard to tell what is actually working.
But when you add one thing and then all of a sudden you get a significant response, I'm assuming that this new fit thing is having at least responsible for, I mean, there's some sort of synergistic effect, right? Because I'm using peptides. I got this, like I said, I got stem cells shot into it.
So this is like a, and it takes a while for the stem cells to take place. I'm sure that's part of it, but then this new fit thing's pretty significant.
So I've been doing that quite a lot. I've been doing that four days a week and it's it's legit man

It's really legit. I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the

fight with Jake Paul

So I know a lot of other athletes that use it a lot of people use it for rehabilitation

It's like it really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from like surgeries and injuries and stuff like that

What else are you using now as part of your nothing new nothing new? Still BPC 157 TV 500 You know Ipamoral and stuff like that like the same stuff that I've always used before This is the only thing that I've done. That's really new this new fifth if you're seen it No.
See if you can find some examples of, because like I said, Tyson was using it. So it's no more time intensive because it's during training? So what you're doing is, so I'm doing it for rehabilitation.
So this is what it looks like. So they slap these electrodes to you so your muscles are just like locked up depending on how much you can tolerate.

So I get them to crank that fucker up. And when you're doing it, your muscles are like completely flexed through the whole thing.
It's like it's kind of painful. And then while you're doing that, you're going through all these different exercises.
okay so they're like kind of rehabilitative type exercises as opposed to the actual workout that you'd be doing for me what i'm doing is rehabilitative but other people do it for hypertrophy and bodybuilders do it apparently to like say if like you've got like trap issues like you don't like you need to like have one area where you want to improve. They're slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises.
An entrepreneur that I'm friends with asked me what I thought about it as like a replacement for exercise. Oh, just a replacement? Yeah, and it was like such like a rich person question.
Like how do I not go to the gym and still like go to the gym there was a place in Boston when I lived there in the the 80s that had that I forget what it was called but you would basically go there and their claim was they would get you you'd have a six-pack you get jacked and all you have to do is lay there and lay there they put these electrodes on you. Have you ever seen those like ancient like belly shaking things for women to lose body fat? Like back in the 40s.
They just sit there shaking back and forth. No, I'm sure it's more effective than that, obviously.
Yeah. Which did nothing.
But I don't think it's a replacement. And I would imagine, I would speculate that the time it would take to stimulate yourself, if it's for hypertrophy, if you just worked out more, you'd probably get better results.
Perhaps. The idea is that it's enhancing you past what you would normally get, because you're in this very unique state of constant contraction.
So there's no contract, relax, contract, relax. You are just contracted.
You're just... And then you're going through all these exercises.
So you have to kind of force your way through the exercises while you're contracted. It's kind of difficult.
I think if you're injured, it probably has a lot of viability. But I would be highly suspect of it being used for like a guy trying to break a plateau who's a veteran lifter, for example.
Right, right, right. Yeah, I would agree.
And no bodybuilders I know attribute any success to something like this. Right.
Well, this guy was telling me that some bodybuilders use it to target areas that they like have having difficulty, like maybe your calves. Yeah.
Like people have a difficult time growing calf muscles. Most, biggest nuisance of a body part genetically.
It's calf. We'll look at John Jones.
That's the craziest thing. Yeah.
Like one of the best kickers in the sport, no calves. They're, like, nonexistent.
Yeah, it's so genetically predetermined, seemingly, that, that you know you'll have guys who are top olympia caliber bodybuilders and if they haven't had calves for their whole career they don't suddenly develop them even though they obviously know how to train and then people will shit on them and say you have no calves bro like learn how to train it's like this is my job like do you think i don't know to do a fucking calf raise? But they just won't grow?

Yeah, like, proportionally so.

They lag behind significantly, and it's pretty obvious when somebody has a lagging body part when they're on stage.

But it is, like, a very, very difficult area to locally, you know, if you don't have the genetics for it and the muscle bellies, it's very difficult to make a bad-looking calf look good. It's weird because you get to go like John where everything else is pretty big.
He's got big chest, big arms. And this is not to say don't train calves because people get all riled up about skipping leg days and stuff.
Well, especially for performance. You certainly need strong calf muscles for performance.
So you can make them stronger stronger they just don't necessarily get aesthetically pleasing yeah there's definitely ways to optimally train them that maybe not everyone does but in general like it seems like if they're lagging behind for you it's it's pretty difficult to bring them up that's weird what a weird body part yeah yeah it's like one of the worst offenders is there anything else like that any other body parts that are like notoriously difficult to train

that's a good question um

probably there's probably something that i'm not thinking of i don't know neck maybe but that's

pretty easy to train actually it's just not many people do it well neck you got to be careful though

You know, I used to... I don't know neck maybe but that's pretty easy actually it's just not many people do it well neck you got to be careful though was an eye you know I use an iron neck which I really believe in it's like the only thing that I've ever done that strengthened my neck and not caused me any neck problems whereas I think those other ones like you know those things where you put like the leather helmet on with the chain yeah I think that's an unusual movement for your neck and i think you could probably get away with i know a lot of wrestlers and including mike tyson who fucked their neck up from neck bridges have you seen the uh f1 drivers workout routines no dude pull up oh they would have to have crazy necks oh yeah that their training mostly seemingly.
Oh, you have to have a neck. They're just sitting there with like a giant fucking contraption on their head just like.
Like an iron neck. Yeah.
Yeah. But it seems even more intensive.
Like it's. Let's see.
Yeah. But see what I'm saying is they're not bending the neck.
Right. So what they're doing is they're forcing their muscles to stabilize the neck as they're facing resistance, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But what they're not doing is bending all the way down and bending all the way up with weight, which I think is what's unusual. And I think that's just a weird strain on the discs.
And with a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strain from is like someone grabbing them with a collar tie and like pulling their head down and they get it real low and then they're resisting that. You can fuck your neck up that way or fighting off a guillotine or a darse choke or a triangle where you're like really fucked up and distorted.
You're resisting against it. You can fuck your neck up.
So what the iron neck does that i really like is you're rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation so you have this halo you put it on your head you pump it like a reebok pump and if like form fits to your head you put a chin strap on and then you back up and so it's got a bungee cord so very stiff rubber cord and as you're pulling back you have a lot of resistance this way and then you could rotate and then on the rotation you can adjust the resistance you can make it more difficult but you're never doing any of this stuff and i think this stuff is where at least from what i've seen people get hurt especially neck bridges neck bridges where your whole can imagine. And you're doing all this and you're rolling.
Like Tyson, you ever seen Tyson's neck bridge routine when he was younger? No. Well, Tyson had a 20-inch neck.
Yeah. 20 inches.
You know how crazy that is? His neck would start at the top of his head when he was young. I mean, he had a fucking massive neck.
But it's one of the reasons why he was also so good at taking a punch because his head didn't snap around. Look at his neck when he was young.
That neck is crazy, dude. That's a crazy neck.
It's parallel with his head. This is what he would do every day in training.
Holy shit, that looks rough. Yeah.
Wrestler Bridge does strengthen your neck, but at a cost. And I don't think it's at a cost for everybody i think it probably can be done safely but i think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully and make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your discs you know like when you're in these weird positions like you're never supposed to have all you know at these bridging with like 60 percent of your weight sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over the side and then roll it over the side while you're putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead that's just crazy that's yeah oh yeah i would uh that looked fucking sketch dude yeah well mike had to get neck surgery yoel romero like i said had his whole neck fused his neck doesn't ever see him run no but it probably looks hilarious see find the video Yoel Romero sprinting it's nuts his neck doesn't move it's like this like a robot like a terminator but it's also why Yoel can take crazy punishment like Yoel got head kicked once by I think it was Derek Brunson head kicked him, and he didn't even move.
Like, look at him run. So his neck doesn't move.
His entire neck is completely fused, and he has this giant scar on the back of his neck. He is a freak, though, dude.
Did you ever get the impression that if he just, like, threw himself into the fire more in fights, he probably would have won a lot more? I don't know. I don't know if you can keep that kind of muscle mass and have the kind of cardio that you need to throw yourself into the fire more.
It was kind of hard to tell if he was gassed sometimes, and then he would all of a sudden burst out. Exactly.
That Costa-Romero fight is still, to this day, one of my favorite fights ever. And I don't know, man.
A lot of the Romero fights, it seems like if he just started swinging and going in there, that he might be able to take out a lot of dudes that he just let go of the decision. Perhaps, but you have to know how much gas you have in the tank, and only he knows.
And that style that he has is a style for someone who's very explosive It's very smart because you don't just explode and keep going you won't last you last two minutes and then you'll be dead Yeah, so what he does is like con he looks like so relaxed and then he explodes on you and when he explodes on people They don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at Like Like, did you ever see his knockout of Chris Weidman? Probably. That's the perfect example of that.
He caught Chris Weidman with a flying knee as Chris Weidman was coming in for a takedown. He just, like, lulled him into, like, this is the speed we're moving at.
We're going to move at this speed. This is how we're fighting.
Oh, I'm dodging your punches. Oh, I'm dodging.
Ah! And then out of nowhere, bam, he hits him with his flying knee and just destroys his head I mean it was one of the most brutal watch this so see how he like moved boom yeah I mean literally his whole body fought back it up against we could see that one more time like before it happens so they're fighting he's got him on the ground. So here it is.
So you see as he moves, he's not, boom, he just leaps into him. This is like a highlight thing.
It's not showing the whole exchange. But in the fight, you know, Weidman's very aggressive, very tough, and, you know, pushing a pace, trying to get the takedowns.
Weidman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys. And Yoel just would kind of move and relax.
And then out of nowhere, he would just blow on you. And that's what he did with Adesanya, too.
That was a very boring fight because Adesanya's like, I see your fucking game. I'm going to stay out here and wait for you to charge in on me.
I'm going to counterattack. And Yoel was like, come on, come fight me.
And he's like, oh, I know what you're doing. Cause he, he exploded one time and caught Izzy with a left hand, like a powerful left hand.
And Izzy's like, oh Jesus Christ. This guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to, but he can't really fight like that for five minutes for five rounds.
You can't really just keep exploding. That's like the problem with a guy like Conor McGregor, like Conor McGregor was lethal for one or two rounds.
But then you get into the third, fourth, and fifth. There's so much fast twitch muscle fiber engagement.
There's so much explosion. It's like constant sprinting.
Has he ever knocked out a guy after round two even? That's a good question. I don't know.
I mean, he certainly could, right? Yeah. I mean, mean he's not out of shape I remember what you're saying though it was like the later rounds it was so blatant yes well he was so fast in the first couple of rounds that was the thing it's like if he didn't fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds if you were like Nate Diaz some indestructible zombie and then you get into the later rounds and you're fucking tired Like how is this guy still here? And then Nate is just like slapping you and beating you up and Nate can push that 50% pace forever.
Yeah him and his brother were very good at that. They didn't really explode They just will like touch you They'll just touch you all the time and you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax Right, if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard you're like because you're always like because you don't know if these punches are going to be hard and then occasionally would mix them up with like really hard shots and so you always have to be ready for the hard shot so you never get to breathe you never get to relax so you're constantly on edge and you're just getting worn out and he's relaxed because he's just hitting you and touching you.

And he's talking shit to you. What, bitch? What, bitch? What's going on, bitch?

And he keep hitting you this like 50 percent, like literally like this, not really trying to hurt you at all.

Just just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank.

They seem relentless. Oh, dude.
Well, his cardio, Nick Diaz, especially his cardio was insanity.

He's so good. And just drain your gas tank.
They seem relentless. Oh, dude.
Well, his cardio, Nick Diaz especially, his cardio was insanity. He swam back from Alcatraz.
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They used to think no one could survive it. So that's why they put Alcatraz there.
They put a prison out there, they're fucked. But a couple of guys did escape and they don't know what happened to them.
They found their clothes at the beach and there's speculation that at least one guy survived it. But how are you going to train? You can't train to swim and then you're going to just swim for a mile and a half.
Yeah. You're not going to make it.
I don't know. What's cardio regimens in prison? I would have no idea.
I mean, you could do cardio, but you're not going to recreate swimming without swimming. The resistance, the current, like all of it.
And temperature regulation. Yeah.
You're just not going to be able to recreate that unless you're doing it. And they're not going to let you practice.
Like, guys, they're just going to do laps around Alcatraz. Like, get the fuck out of here.
How far is it, Jimmy? Mile and a half. So a mile and a half in the fucking ocean with sharks.
When was this that these prisoners escaped? Like, was this decades ago? It was a Clint Eastwood movie? Escape from Alcatraz. Did you see it? No.
Yeah, it was a movie about the actual escape from Alcatraz. These guys had made a paper mache model of their face and like put it like with put some pillows and shit and threw a blanket over it and the guards when they would go to check thought these guys were still in their bed.
Meanwhile, they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the cell. 1979 film Escape from Alcatraz presented inconclusive conclusions.
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But people do it all the time now. You know, it's definitely not impossible, because Nick Diaz has done it five fucking times.

But people do it all the time now.

You know, it's like an endurance thing

that people constantly do now.

Someone did it 979 times.

Whoa!

He does it monthly.

Oh my god, what a fucking psycho.

979 times? That is

rolling the dice on sharks, bro.

And what happens when you... Like Alcatraz is still operating? No.
No. No.
Okay. No, it wasn't operating.
Oh, it's like a tourist attraction, right? Yeah. When I was a kid, we went to visit it with school.
When I lived in San Francisco, they took us to Alcatraz. It was our field trip.
It was pretty cool. You had to be in these prisons where all these people used to get.

It's very weird.

Why did it shut down?

I don't know.

It's a good question.

Why did they shut Alcatraz down?

Maybe when they figured out people could swim it.

That would be a good reason.

Yeah.

I mean.

It's not unassailable.

It's got to take a long time, though.

Like a mile and a half in the ocean.

How long does that take?

Some people think it was because those guys got away, but it was because it was too expensive to continue operating. That makes sense, right? You got to get all the supplies and out there by boat, by ferry.
I don't even think they had that many prisoners there. Hmm.
Like, you know. But they had, like, super dangerous ones there, right? Wasn't that the whole idea? It was all murderers.
I think it was, like, super maximum security, like, for the biggest psychos. They put them on Alcatraz.
Yeah, what was that movie? I think Sean Connery movie as well. The Rock, yeah.
Yeah, that's about that, right? Yeah. I think, yeah.
Yeah, I think that was about it too. Yeah, but, you know, guys who have extreme cardio, cardio, that's a real weapon.

Power is important.

Well, it's always important.

But cardio is one of the most important things because when you get tired, you don't think right.

You don't make good decisions.

And then you're just not as effective.

You're not going to scramble out of positions. You going to relax a little try to catch your breath like if you get taken down you're not going to like completely exert chuckledale said this to me once he said when guys get taken down they accept the takedown and the thing is they get taken down and then they try to work their way back up to their feet he goes i never did that when i got taken down the moment my back touched the ground it was like hot lava and i just exploded immediately i never let them hold me and that was the key to never getting taken down and held down is that the moment he's a really good wrestler as well obviously but the moment someone would take him down he would never accept it he would just some guys accept it like fuck i gotta take it down all right you know overhook underhook you know like control posture work my full guard try to get back up try to bide time where i have enough energy to escape and figure out am i going to try to sweep him am i gonna you know am i gonna try to pummel and and try to get back up to my feet am i gonna try to scoot back to the cage a bunch of different strategies to try to get back up.
But the thing is, like, when you're tired, you'll accept that takedown. And when you see guys accept the takedown and just pull full guard, like, that guy's fucking tired, you know? It was like the recent Oliveira fight.
It was, like, tough to watch some of the parts where it was just like, oh, you're on the ground now and you're fucked. Yeah, yeah.
Well, that yeah well that fight was crazy huh yeah Michael Chandler almost fucking had him in that fifth round yeah almost had him I mean what a relentless motherfucker that guy is yeah man he was getting his ass kicked for four rounds and then finally almost fucks him up yeah yeah it's uh crazy when it comes down to like you know do, how many times it almost turns around. Well, it's also crazy that a guy like him, who is pretty heavily muscled and is just such a fucking training machine that he has that ultimate gas tank, even in the fifth round, just explode.
And like in the fifth round, he was going hard, which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for connor yeah he almost seems like a better cardio like sean shirk or something right well sean shirk was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio did he i thought he was so for the time okay he was a fitness fanatic like a conditioning fanatic but like so was um there was a few guys like rich franklin was like a fitness fanatic too like they dedicated a significant amount of their time just to strength and conditioning so they had this like ultimate gas tank but like with rich franklin the problem was his skill level was never going to compete with anderson silva anderson silva was just a god. I mean, in his prime, he was like 34 years old.
He was fucking unstoppable. He was just so elite.
The athleticism differential between everyone and him was obscene. It was skill, too.
It's like he had the ability to let punches get right here, and he would just move his head slightly and then bang, crack you. All your momentum is coming in and he would counter you.
And he was just so skillful. And he was like a computer.
The first minute of the round, first fight, like first round of the fight, you would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you're capable of. He would see you swing like, got that okay I'll do a little of this I'll kick him a couple of times and then by the end of the round he's like okay motherfucker and then you'd see him like like the Yushin Okami fight is a great example that by the end of the first round he head kicks Okami and drops him he just starts tuning him up he just he gets he gets what you can do he's like you can't do it I do he just starts turning it on.
Yeah, some of those fights back in the day just felt like a taking time bomb for whoever he was facing. Yep.
People forget. The thing about fighters when they fight past their prime is you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s and you remember them from their later fights.
You don't remember them when they were unstoppable. Like when Anderson was in his prime,

he's one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Have you seen that UFC interview

where they like accidentally showed,

I think it was like HGH in the background?

He opened his fridge.

What are you eating?

Oh, I'm eating growth.

He's popped for some dumb shit too,

if I recall correctly.

Well, did you ever see his coach,

his weightlifting coach?

Probably when I was looking into it,

but I'm assuming he's yoked out of his fucking mind.

The dude was like 65 years old

and built like Yoel Romero.

Oh my God.

See if you can find Anderson Silva's

strength and conditioning coach.

I mean, there was no way. There's just no way.
That guy knows what I mean, there's no way.

There's just no way.

That guy knows what to take.

There's no way.

He was in his 60s.

Fucking jacked.

I mean, just super jacked.

Like, that's him.

Oh, Jesus.

Look at Anderson's face.

It's a perfect picture.

I mean, look at that dude. That dude's in his 60s.
Mean mugging. Yeah.
Tainted supplements likely cause a failed test, not what's in my fridge. Look at the size of that guy in his 60s.
So, obviously, he knows what to take. Yeah.
That guy knows some stuff. So, Chandler, you said good match for Conor.
Is that ever happening? I don't know if Conor's ever going to fight again. What's happening with his – he just got like the civil suit or whatever and he's being dropped by all his companies or something? Yeah.
You know, I don't know the real details of that case. I know his version of it and her version of it and what played out in the court.
But the reality is that guy's partying and he's partying real hard. And he talked about it in the in the court case.
You know, he's talking about cocaine like that was the whole thing that we're all doing cocaine and we're fucking. Dude, some of his interviews, you can tell he is out of it he allegedly he seems at least excited dude have you seen the jake jill and all and connor interview for roadhouse and he's just fucking tweaking the whole time he seems like he's just like yeah i can't i can't imagine he wasn't thinking what are you doing dude right yeah right you know it's funny shane gillis has a great bit about connor mcgregor and roadhouse he goes conor gregor basically played a coked out conor mcgregor in roadhouse and shane does like a conor impression so it's fucking hilarious like i mean he's he likes coke oh yeah but i think there's another issue to talk about and that is is that a lot of fighters, when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career, and there's no way to not get that, right?

I mean, we've all seen Conor get beat up and knocked out.

We've seen Conor's sparring footage.

He spars pro boxers.

He's sparring elite fighters.

You're getting hit in the head a lot.

And a lot of fighters, especially towards the end of their career, turn to drugs. And I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in where their dopamine levels are all fucked up, their cortisol levels are all fucked up, their bodies just...
You're not supposed to get punched in the head a thousand times a year. It's just not supposed to happen.
And that's the reality of consistent training. So if you think about consistent training, like say you and me are sparring and we meet at the gym three times a week and we spar three times a week.
And let's say we spar five rounds three times a week, five rounds of five minutes the we might you might hit me 15 20 times a round and then we're doing that three times a week and we're doing that over and over and over again and it's not even this is a thing people say oh you spar light sure sure sparring light is important but subconcussive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE. Now, soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball.
I've bounced a soccer ball. I played soccer when I was a kid.
That doesn't hurt. But that, that thump, that's giving you CTE.
People who ride jet skis get CTE. Wow.
Do you know that? No, I didn't know that. My friend Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury, and he works at the Wounded Warrior Foundation.
I think he works with them. Oh, Angel Warrior Foundation.
He works with a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland your endocrine system gets fucked up from you know breaches you know explosions blown up in ieds all those kind of things like those guys are fucked like the inside of their brain is fucked and there's a bunch of different therapies they apply to that but the bottom line is that it's not just getting knocked out it's just getting thumpeded a lot Just thumped in train. So if we're sparring, you know, we're friends if we're sparring I wouldn't hit you hard I'd hit you like that.
I wouldn't I wouldn't try to kill you. I hit you like that But that over and over again, you're gonna get brain damage fact No if ands or buts about it you to get brain damage.
And if you're doing that over the course of a 10, 15 year career, think about all those camps, all those rounds, all those times you sparred. And not just sparred that way.
How many collisions? How many times I've been collided with doing jujitsu? You accidentally butt heads. You accidentally take a knee to the head you accidentally take an elbow to the head it's constant so you've got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again and then you get a little bit of coke little bit of coke and you're feeling good again I bet he I bet you know you get addicted to it and the guy obviously likes extreme things right which is why such a great fighter They're wild people.
It's why John Jones like cocaine, too. They're fucking wild people.
They want to fight You know they want to fight in a cage for a living. That's how they literally feed themselves by beating the fuck out of skilled people Yeah, I can imagine something like the brain cell death that literally occurs

could almost result in a perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve,

like baseline even, to feel normal.

There's a drug I didn't mention earlier, but it's worth mentioning.

You said what's not being tested for that's useful.

In fighters, something called cerebrolysin is used to offset brain damage

after fights and

not being tested for by WADA yet.

How does it work?

It's like one of the only sources

of active NGF and

BDNF that you can actually

get an effect out of seemingly.

So like brain-derived

I forget what the

NF sounds for, but it's something that could be

basically grow new brain cells essentially whoa yeah or offset deterioration as well during after fighting why would you not let people take that that seems like that should be standard that should be given to everybody like vitamins yeah yeah it's uh the pipeline of it getting through a clinical like getting a clinical application. It's still in experimental phases.
So I could see why it hasn't been getting widespread recognition. And for all we know, it's not going to prove to be super effective, but at least anecdotally from people I know who've used it, highly effective for neurogenesis.
Yeah. What about somebody who doesn't have brain damage, just wants to get really smart? Yeah, tough call.
I think that might work, right? Yeah, a lot of people, even nowadays, are exposing themselves to things that make them stupider, too. So it might even become, you know, an adjunct kind of like preventative therapy.
Right. Yeah, sure.
And it's like sometimes not even purposefully that you're doing things that make you stupider. It's just like...
Like what kind of things would you describe? I don't know. Like if you have kids, you're never getting good sleep.
Or you're somebody who's constantly on stimulants, which you could argue is, you know, bad lifestyle or whatever. But, you know, there are certain things that are going to kill brain cells and just aging in general.
Have you seen the studies on creatine and performance with sleep deprivation? Very interesting. Another thing that not being tested for, which I don't think it should be, but like creatine at adequate doses, interestingly, for years, we've all been told take your five grams and you're good.
But what's often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be widespread, the optimal one for every single person. you will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose, but it doesn't mean you're going to get the full suite of benefits depending on your genetics, how much you weigh, muscle mass, metabolism.
So five grams for 140 pound person versus 240. Yeah.
So like some studies have found increased benefits up to like 20 grams a day. Whoa.
Yeah. And if your GI can tolerate it, it could be worth trying to see if you get an effect out of 10 grams and then elevate from there.
Do you take it? Oh, yeah. I take it in gummy form.
That's hard to get an adequate dose, though. How is that? Well, how many gummies do you need to take to get five? I take six.
It says take three. I take six.
Well, let's see what the dose is. Go to try create.
I take those two. It's 1.5 per gummy, I think.
Okay, so I'm taking seven, eight. So some of the most recent studies are in elderly women taking 20 grams.
Whoa. I'll start doing that.
Start with 10. See if your GI tolerates it.
I have no problem with creatine. I used to think it made my face fat, but I think I was just eating too much pasta.
I think one of the problems with gummies is oftentimes they're less likely to meet label clams. Oh, really? I don't know if that's like a third party rigorously tested product or not, but something to be cautious of.
Right. And then there's two types, right? There's creatine monohydrate and then there's another creatine.
What is the other one? There's different formats, but some are like HCL is essentially just bound to HCL instead of monohydrate, which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate, thought to be water solubility and other things. But in general, monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it, is tried and true, is cheaper, easier to access.
Isn't there some other stuff, H-something that you take in combination with it? Betaine, HCL, maybe. Wow, HMN, what the hell is it? HMB.
HMB, yeah, that's it. What is that? That's, I believe, a metabolite of leucine, which basically stimulates mTOR.
So it could be useful for, I think, people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need something to stimulate mTOR for adequate muscle protein synthesis. So, I don't know, older people who don't get enough protein for example right it has shown efficacy it's just the situations and contextually where it is the most effective is going to be somebody who is not eating enough protein but it's like how many people are eating enough protein as well right yeah it's some studies have found that you know upwards of one gram per pound of body weight per day could be beneficial, and most people aren't getting that.
My diet is almost entirely protein. Yeah.
Yeah, my diet is mostly meat. It's pretty fucking hard to get your body weight and protein per day if you're not supplementing with protein.
You're just eating meat and animal-derived sources. And then even harder if you're a vegetarian, too.
If you're just eating meat and animal-derived sources, it's hard? I think for a lot of people to get high-quality, just like... If you're going to eat over, I don't know, a pound and a half to two pounds of meat a day, you could hit your needs pretty easily.
Oh, I do that easy. Yeah, but that's not like a typical person, I would say.
That's most... Most of my meals are meat.
Like, my my breakfast today I ate like a pound of elk. Yeah.
That was my breakfast. So what I do is I meal prep for the week on Sunday.
So I'll take out of my freezer I take a bunch of elk steaks and I put them on the Traeger. I slow cook them at like 265 degrees until I get them to the proper internal temperature and then then I sear them, I cut them up and then I put them in like a glass container and put them in my refrigerator and then I pull it out whenever I want to eat.
So you have how much meat per day? Multiple pounds. Multiple? Yeah.
Cooked weight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.
Yeah. I probably eat at least three pounds of meat a day.
Hmm. Yeah.
Yeah. You might be getting, I forget how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores or at least the equivalent of five grams.
But you'd probably still benefit from trying supplementing more. Well, I do take those gummies.
Like I said, I take six of those a day. But maybe I'm going to take – I get the powder, bro.
I'm going to take 20 gummies. See what happens.
We'll see what happens. Half your calories, gummies, and the rest meat.
Yeah, let's see what's up's up they don't seem to make you they don't upset my stomach at all it makes you wonder if there's actually the creatine in it then wow I've never had an upset stomach from creatine I've taken it in the past but I'm taking it now more consistently than I've ever taken it before because with the gummies it's so easy I keep it in the gym I just bust it open yeah eat some of them yeah yeah it's it tastes good too one of the most slept on supplements for sure i think it kind of got a i don't know like not as much attention as it deserves maybe more recently it's gotten a bit more hype because of some of the literature around its cognitive effects and whatnot but it's like super useful for a myriad of things.

What is the mechanism for it giving you a cognitive enhancing benefit? I think it's thought to be local energy production in the brain. So some people genetically or as they age or what have you have deficiencies in the capacity to produce ATP.
And if you can like backfill it with like a readily available source of phosphocreatine, then you could basically get it to baseline of where it should be. It makes you wonder, like people that are on a vegan diet, like what are their creatine levels like? Oh, not good enough for sure.
There's no way, right? No, it's impossible. Even if you're somebody who eats a lot of meat, you might think you're good.
But unless you're eating multiple pounds a day, it's unlikely that you've saturated stores. Well, that's like one of the more insidious things about these people that are proselytizers.
We're trying to get people to become vegan. And one of the things that they say is that it'll improve your athletic performance, which is like straight horseshit like i don't know of any elite athlete at the very top of any sport that's a vegan do you no i know some ifbb pros who are vegan but really they do a lot to optimize their diets that requires like special protein supplements and this and that and a massive amount of steroids.
Yeah. A lot of them are dope too.
Yeah. That helps.
Yeah. There are definitely successful, uh, like people who thrive, I think doing vegan diets, but oftentimes it is more meticulous in the planning needed to like actually make it so you could thrive on it as opposed to like if you're eating enough red meat and whatnot like you've sort of you can be stupid and still cover your bases essentially right yeah so the difference between um one thing is like if someone say well a pound of broccoli will equal you know x amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein that's but it it's not the same bioavailability.
Yeah. Like the amino acid composition is not going to be the same and it might not even stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic.
So like some vegans, I would assume might actually benefit from supplementing with like essential amino acids on top of their meals, just because they're hitting a leucine threshold right so and that's where like an hmb also could maybe be have use as well and is creatine is it sourced in a vegan way or is any of it derived from animal sources that's a good question i'm not sure but if you can make testosterone from soy, I think you'd probably get.

It's pretty crazy what they can synthesize.

Oh, dude, yeah.

You would never think that's where you get it from, right?

Yeah.

Well, it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create, like, all the stuff that we have available right now.

Yeah, like some dude, like, took a fucking yam and was like, hey, these chemicals look similar to these chemicals that we make in our balls. Let's tweak it and let's sell it to people as testosterone.
Yeah, I don't even know. And it works.
That's what's nuts. It's super effective.
It's very strange that it's also kind of derided, that people look look down upon it. Like, why would you look down upon anything, especially as you're an older person? Why would you look down upon anything? It's going to make you feel better.
Yeah. No, I think more awareness is coming to it, but also in women for HRT, which is you could argue even more of a necessity than at least with men a lot can maintain residual hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health long term.
But with women, once you hit menopause, like you are guaranteed to have like a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production to where you are guaranteed putting your brain and heart in danger if you don't replace those hormones. Wow.
Yeah. So it's almost like, I don't know, like unwinding some of the shitty information that was put out decades ago.
That's the thing for women. There was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement.
Yeah. It's, uh, I think it was the women's health initiative.
They had some study that showed like a relative risk increase in breast cancer or something to the tune of some negligible, insignificant amount. They were also using synthetic drugs as opposed to bioidentical.
It'd be like the equivalent of me putting you on DECA and then being like, oh, well, you got cancer, so testosterone sucks. Which is fucking ridiculous they were using like horse piss derived estrogens or something and then like some shady progestin and determining oh hrt is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in cancer risk which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have not seen play out And the upside far outweighs the risk, seemingly, that we can see right now.

It's just not really permeated the, I don't know, like masses yet.

Well, think about how many fucking people are in testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems.

I don't know of anybody that has a problem with it.

I know of so many people that have been enhanced by it and they feel so much better. They have so much more energy, more life.
Yeah. Yeah, it's super impactful.
And for women, too, like no more hot flashes while you're sleeping. Your bones aren't going to degrade at the same rates.
Like Alzheimer's rates in women are like 2x that of men. Really? It's definitely intertwined with menopause shutting off their hormones.
Wow. Yeah.
There's so much shit information out there. That's what's fucked.
When you hear about studies that like, you know, when the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat, because they were trying to say that saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar. When you see about, and I think they only paid them like $50,000 or something crazy.
Oh my God. You don't know that? Well, I didn't know it was 50 grand.
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it's like $50,000 and it ruined everybody.
Not that if it was a bigger amount of money, it would be fine. But I mean, it's just shocking how little it was.
Yeah, well, you know You're unethical, but hey if somebody offered me 50 million who knows what I would do No, $50,000 and these motherfuckers ruin people for decades and dildo wanted a portion just ruined like the fucking yeah food pyramid Well, it's like they've they've here is yep Yep, there it is. 50 years ago, sugar industry quietly paid scientists.

They wound up paying approximately $50,000 in today's dollars for the research.

So it's even less than $50,000.

So it's $50,000 today.

So 50 years ago, that's probably $10,000.

Yeah.

They paid them $10,000.

And these motherfuckers ruined everyone's health.

Yeah.

Got people taking margarine.

Fuck. Thrilled.
Being scared of butter and eggs and and meat damn dude crazy yeah so your diet is just meat yeah mostly what about fruit I eat fruit yeah yeah I love for you've been like cycling back and forth between I like fruit before I work out I like work out sometimes. You know, I like fruit, but I very rarely eat vegetables unless I want to.
Like if some asparagus and it's looking good, I'll have some asparagus. You know what I mean? Like if I see some Brussels sprouts, I eat it for taste.
Sort of like, I think of it like pasta, except not as bad for you. I think of it as like, oh, that would probably taste good.
I'd like to eat some of that. I don't think of it as like, this is like nutrition and fuel.
So when I eat for nutrition and fuel, it's eggs and steak. That's 90 plus percent of my diet.
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Have you been following the boxing gold medal debacle with that? First of all, X, Y chromosome case closed. Yeah, if you have a fucking and this is what the enhanced game wants to do so the enhanced games you know they're developing this Olympic style event and they're spending a lot of money on it they have a lot of big investors and they're gonna give real prizes like a million dollars if you in the gold medal instead of zero which is what the Olympics goes and I asked them I'm like how are you gonna address like trans athletes and they said we think we're gonna do chromosomes but yeah yeah which is really the only way to do it politically correct yeah you know you don't say this is not a woman you say what are your chromosome if we forget it ma'am what are your chromosomes xy ma'am you got to be in the xy box get over there but I identify as a woman.
Get over there. Apparently, they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the 90s, I believe they stopped doing it.
And then since then, it's been like these weird nuanced scenarios with, oh, is your testosterone level looking male or whatever? And, you know, it's it gets nuanced with the type of like disorder you have because some are far more advantageous than others. And if this medical report that was leaked of this boxer is true, it's basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have.
Because it's basically like a 5-alpha reductase deficiency is basically just depriving your body of DHT.

But if you have internal testes making testosterone, you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone and all the psychoactive effects and all that.

Yeah, lung size, heart size. Now, to be determined, which I think that that athlete should go get the testing to actually disprove it if it was true or if it wasn't true.
They would have already done that. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
I think if too many people are calling you a man. There's this one case of there was that runner.
Chastro Samania? Right. So that's a very different thing.
No, that was potentially the same same thing. Really? Yeah.
XY chromosome? Had internal testes, XY chromosomes, 5-alpha reductase deficiency, and had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal testes. Oh, Jesus.
And you might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven't had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT. So it's almost like the equivalent of putting a kid at birth on like a mega dose of finasteride or dutasteride and wiping out their DHT.
So they still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone, but not sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT. Well, let's see what is the latest on this.
So let's find out what is the leaked story on this boxer and find out, like, has anybody analyzed this? Is there any, like, conclusion that anybody's drawn? I don't think so. I think it's still, is the leaked report legit or not? The story I could find, this is November 6th.
Confirms Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over medical alligators. But this is just about the legal.
No, I know. I was looking for any story about it, having updated information.
This was the most recent story was written. And anything else was from October where it was saying that she was not.
She's also saddened by the abuse she has received. Do you think they'll go back and edit this if it turns out she's a man? He's saddened by the abuse that he's received.
It was about the claims that they were stripped of their title or their gold medal. Oh, well, that's not true.
No, they haven't been stripped. So if they're suing over that, they can actually win that lawsuit.
No, but they're suing over something in the french media because they've gotten um and i feel like the olympic committee probably has to lean into you know the whole politically correct angle of it too to not get the scrutiny of you let this person punch women in the head of course of course yeah yeah she'd never felt a punch like this yeah so Of all sports too. Yeah.
Fucking fighting people. Yeah.
It's pretty crazy. But so what is the leaked report, Jamie? Find out what the leaked report, excuse me, the leaked report on this person is.
That's what this has to do with it, I think. I understand what it has to do with it, but find out what the actual leak report is.
Like what is the leak report? Oh, Jesus. I think it was the basically assessment of internal testicles yeah okay French journalists but it's been there's been multiple studies or multiple articles written saying that this person has XY chromosomes that was a supposed failed gender eligibility test from some organization that.
Yeah, International Boxing Association did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility test. But the International Olympic Committee did authorize her presence at Paris 2024.
But here's the thing, like, is this when when they say the International Olympic Committee did authorize, what are they by what? Yeah, this is the crazy thing is apparently their criteria was that you are female on your passport. Oh, but it's like, you know, if you look female at birth, you easily could if you have this disorder.
So Dylan Mulvaney changed their passport to a female. Oh, probably.
Did they? Find out, can you change your passport to female if you're transgender? I think you can. I don't know if Dylan Mulvaney did it.
It's so low barrier, too. You just have a fucking ID piece that says you're female, therefore we're going to ignore testes.
Like, what the fuck? The whole thing is so crazy. This is one of the weirder aspects and the reason why people harp on it so much.
Why is everybody so obsessed with trans? Because this is why, because it's bizarre. No medical documentation.
You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker. So this is for on US passport.
You can select M for male, F for female, or X for unspecified or another gender identity. So you could have X on your passport.
I think I'm going to get that. So no medical documentary.
So I could be a female. I could just say I'm a female, show up with a full beard.
Genetic marker you select doesn't need to match your gender on your citizenship, evidence, or photo ID. See, the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you.
I don't know how you feel I could be arrogant and Completely Not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit. You're a guy.
Or you could be in agony going through life,

feeling like a woman,

and not understanding why you have a dick.

I think there's that too.

But like I talked about in my comedy special,

perverts disappeared like the flu during COVID.

Like they don't exist anymore.

Like a guy in a dress who gets a hard-on

going into the women's room is a woman now.

They used to be psychos.

It used to be like Norman Bates in the movie Psycho, dress up like his mom, Silence of the Lambs, puts the lotion in the basket. It was like if you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier, you put him in a dress.
You took a psycho killer, you made him dress like a woman like, oh,, this guy is fucking crazy. And then somewhere, we just decided that doesn't exist anymore.
And so there's no perverts. And so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room, go in the women's locker, play in women's sports, and you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people.
Creepy guys who dress up like women, who pretend to be women, are just perverts. They just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit.
There's people that are out of their mind, and you've given them a hall pass. Yeah.
Yeah, like I could empathize with somebody who didn't know and then became aware of it, and then once they became aware of it, they stopped competing. It would suck for everyone involved, obviously.
But, like, I could understand, like, how shitty of a predicament that is. Yes.
But it's like the onus is on you once you've been assessed to not compete anymore. Right.
And to, like, confirm what the fuck is going on. Yeah, go fight guys.
Yeah. And it's like, even if you're at a disadvantage, like, well, it doesn't mean you fight girls at your advantage.
Exactly. Yeah.
Yeah. If you're at a disadvantage fighting guys, you probably shouldn't be fighting.
Yeah. Like how many girls are transitioning and then fighting men or competing against men? Zero.
Well, also, here's the other argument. There is a spectrum, right? So there are guys with naturally lower testosterone that are guys like say yoel romero yoel romero has an advantage over almost everybody you know when it comes to like genetics he's just like a fucking specimen from god right so you have that which is the rarest of rare right and then you have a guy like you know fill in the blank there's like a bunch of fighters in the u.
I don't want to disparage anybody. But there's a bunch of guys you look at me like, that's not a specimen, but super tough, super technical, works real hard, very intelligent in their approach.
And they managed to fight really well. But if they go up against a guy who's a freak, just a physical freak, and that guy works just as hard and is just as intelligent and just as methodical in their training.
They're going to have an advantage. Just a natural God-given advantage.
Just the universe has kissed them with genetics. And those people exist, man.
And so you can't say, well, then that guy should be able to fight women now because he can't beat Yoel Romero. That's stupid.
That's fucking stupid. And it's also you're not protecting women.
I thought that the left was all about protecting women like this is the whole thing about progressives protect people that are like not as safe like i don't generally worry about women raping me never yeah never in my life have i been in a bar go boy i hope some woman doesn't try to me. I hope some woman doesn't try to root for me and get my dick hard.

No one ever thinks that way. But women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an alleyway.
They worry about that. Guys don't worry about that.
It's just a completely different dynamic. so when you're comparing like trans this and trans that like there's not a guy i've ever talked to in my life that doesn't that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room yeah i don't give a fuck if like what's that person that was chaz Bono Chaz Bono Sonny Bono's daughter that became a man Chaz can come into the men's room I don't give a fuck it doesn't even freak me out at all if Chaz is in the men's room and I have a two-year-old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom go to the bathroom I'm not worried aboutaz Bono, but I am worried about a pervert.
If I was a guy and I had a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking five o'clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her and I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on. I go, I I don't know that might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard or it could be a Complete fucking psycho which are real things and by being this compassionate person I'm supposed to ignore the the reality of psychos.
Yeah, that's crazy This is where it becomes like a cult like this is where it becomes like you're indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can't stray from at all. And if you do, you're cast out of the kingdom forever.
You're a heretic. You're a terrible person.
Yeah, fucked up, man. It's, I don't really know.
Even the scrutiny on it, I don't really know how they don't acknowledge how absurd it is. When you watch people defend it, they have to do mental gymnastics.
Yeah. Do you ever see that conversation that I had with Adam Conover about it? No.
Oh. Oh.
It was one of the most brutal conversations of all time. It was about trans women in sports.
Oh, so this was like a debate. Well, it didn't turn out to be.
It wasn't planned out. It just came about because he was doing, you know, we were talking about it.
And it got to the subject of trans women competing. And his position was like, I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive.
So if that makes it more inclusive for trans women. And he was like in favor of hormone blockers for children that they've always known that they're a woman like what the fuck You don't have any kids you don't know what kids are like you could tell your kid that they're a werewolf like stay Keep away from the full moon.
You're a werewolf. Oh, I always knew like the kid their kids Their brains not formed and also they want to please you And if you're a...
How many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids?

How many people, where they fly the flag of inclusivity, and they're a proud progressive,

and I'm proud that I have a queer child.

How much of that is your influence?

Is it 0%?

Because I bet it's not. I bet there's some sort of reinforcement of that.
It's just like the numbers are so extraordinary. When you have parents that have three trans kids, you're like, what? Three? What are the odds of that? And you're nuts? You're a nutty actress and you have three trans kids.
What's going on here? And you're not allowed to say it. If you say anything you say oh this person who's clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill.
And might actually have Munchausen syndrome. You know like they might be doing something terrible to their child.
Because they're just fucking nuts. And they want a trans kid like so they could fly it as a they could put their pride flag on their fucking front door and they feel like a better person.
There are people like that. And then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free and do whatever you want They want you to have complete freedom to expressers.
I don't care if a guy wears a dress wear a dress man If that's what you like, I don't care. You want to paint your nails want to have lipstick on I don't give a fuck have a good time.
I want you to be happy. I'll be your friend Just don't try to compete against women in sports.
that's fucking nuts and don't try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the women's locker room this how about the guy in canada that's 50 years old that identifies as a a teenage girl was competing in like young girls swimming and they they allowed him because canada like you know yeah you live there off the rails you live in a communist shithole that place is nuts. And they allowed them, because Canada, like you know, you live there off the rails.
You live in a communist shithole. That place is nuts.
And they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time. On taxpayer money in Canada, they paid for a guy to develop breast milk.
Do you know about this story? No. Oh, yeah.
Has an adopted child paid for them, paid for this person to lactate imagine the toxic milk that's coming out of this man oh horrendous like what is in there like what are you generating you don't even have the glands for it like what's actually being secreted there what is that yeah it's like uh if you asked me would it be good milk quality from some guy on trend or Deca and he's just fucking secreting shit out of his nipples? I'd be like, fuck no, dude. Fuck no.
Like what is happening? What is in that milk? And what is that going to do to the baby that's sucking on it? And all in the name of inclusivity. All in the name of being a kind, compassionate, open-minded person.
That's not open-minded. That's nuts.
And it's cowardly because you're afraid to say what you know to be true because you don't want to suffer the repercussions. You don't want to be called a transphobe, whatever the fuck that means.
You don't want to be called a bigot. You don't want to be called any of these things.
So you'll go along with some of the most preposterous ideas, including pretending that perverts don't exist. Yeah.
I hope, I don't know if Pierre is going to get into winning the election and get Trudeau out, but seems like a reasonable guy. Well, he seems way more reasonable than Trudeau, who seems completely insane.
Yeah. And like, candidly, I'm not like a political expert by any fucking means at all, so don't take anything I'm saying seriously.
Apparently, last time I was here, people thought I was like, by not saying anything about it, I was like endorsing Trudeau or something. By not saying anything about it? I don't know.
There was like comments about how, like, Derek knows better. He knows who this PR guy is.
I'm like, no, I just don't follow this shit like I should probably. But yeah he seems uh reasonable and in contrast to trudeau who's like a fucking full-on long show full-on lunatic who's completely changed his tune on so many different things including going after guns what they did with the trucker the trucker strike yeah like the debanking thing you guys talked about recently it's like not new news in canada Yeah.
Well, they did it to people who donated to the trucker convoy, which is really crazy. So you just say, hey, these people shouldn't be mandated to get a vaccine that has a safety profile that's really like, we don't really know yet.
There's no long-term studies. We don't really know what's going to happen.
And you're just like mandating this? Yeah. Why? Why? I don't have to have to do it why are you making me do it it turned out you really didn't have to do it so this is what what's turned out now like um you know the was it the here i'll send it to you jamie so they released a study recently where the actual government went and looked over here i'll say this so they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic and the findings are they're you know not that shocking to anybody who was actually paying attention but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young and this or when you know covid was a recent rather so covid19-19, this is the house released a 500 page report on COVID-19 pandemic key findings.
COVID-19 likely originated from a lab related incident in Wuhan, China. Crazy.
You get banned from YouTube for saying that banned. Okay.
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Policies ignored natural immunity, pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science. Absolutely.
WHO and CDC compromised by political interference, offering inconsistent, unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust. And the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence.
Christ. Select subcommittee on coronavirus pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct.
Every single one of them, no repercussions, no retractions, no apology from Rachel Maddow, none of it. Yeah, man.
It's in Canada, the lockdowns were pretty absurd um i know here they were it depended on the state and whatever but yeah canada was like get your vaccines you're not leaving to go anywhere yeah yeah crazy fucked up did you have to take it yeah dude fucking sucked did you have a side effect no well at least that i could tell and i've did you ever do a d-dimer test yeah Yeah, it's normal. Oh, that's good.
Well, from what I understand, I talked to a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable in this, and he said that one of the real problems was the lack of aspiration, that they didn't aspirate when they injected people. Even when they did Biden on television, they just jammed that thing into his arm and shot it in there.
So is it supposed to stay like local or something? The's supposed, the idea about it was it's supposed to stay local, right? It's supposed to stay local. But apparently there's been, if you talk to Brett Weinstein, a bunch of other people, there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local, that they've been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body.
And the issue though was if you didn't aspirate and you went right into a

blood vessel. So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological

conditions, all these different things. So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your

system, your body reacts to it like it's being attacked, right? Well, if it gets to the heart,

your heart doesn't heal, right? Which is why your heart doesn't get cancer. Your heart scars.
Like your liver heals. Your liver regenerates.
You could lose half your liver. You know, you could donate half your liver to someone and it'll grow back in weeks.
Yeah, yeah. The liver's resilient.
It's nuts. But your heart's not like that.
So the heart scars over and it leads to, you know to enlargement of the heart, myocarditis, pericarditis.

So this is the thought.

This is what my friend told me, who's a very intelligent person, I want to name him.

But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate.

And a significant number of people that are experiencing these long-term issues from the vaccine,

it's because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular.

Yeah, there is several times now, because especially if you're on TRT, you're probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who's like a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day, just as part of their gig. And you're kind of risking it if you just let somebody else pin you like sometimes you feel like being like hey look can i do this right yeah right but even then like if you jam it into your arm it's possible that you could hit a blood vessel yeah have you ever heard of trend cough i have what is that yeah so it's thought to be that if you get into uh like you nick a vein or something or you'd like hit a blood vessel for example and you get some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation rather than being intramuscular entirely it goes very quickly up to your lungs and you basically have a coughing fit get induced by your body trying to like expel whatever is there and so like i could absolutely see something that wasn't meant to go immediately into systemic circulation being more problematic like with trend cough i've experienced it personally back in the day this is like one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is if you get trend cough it's like the most pathetic scenario you'll ever find yourself in because you're just this muscle-bound dude who just injected yourself with, like, cattle steroids.
And you're just looking at yourself in the mirror, hacking up a lung, sweating your fucking face off. Like, what am I doing with my life? And you can't get around it other than just, like, cough a lung for three minutes.
It takes three minutes for it to go away? It depends. But, like, how much you have and all this, a bunch of stuff.
But yeah, it's like, basically if it happens, you can feel it coming on. You just like fucking brace yourself on the sink and you can get ready to hack up a lung for a few minutes.
Jesus. And is it a consistent thing or is it a one-time thing? Like right after injection or is it something that recurs? It's after injection, but it's like, you know, who knows what that does once you get like solvents and fucking, you know, like whatever else is in your compound, in your solution into systemic circulation immediately.
Like, I don't know. What is, trend is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken, including like jujitsu guys that really want to get super jacked.
They take trend. Yeah.
And I'm like, what is it about the trend? And they apparently get like ultra violent when they're on trend.

Yeah. So it's a unique compound that was called trend balloon.
Is that what it's? Yeah. And it used to be used in for like, I forget what the clinical application was, but it was a pharmaceutical approved steroid back in the 80s.
and then was basically taken off the market similar to around the same time that, interestingly enough, Biden was the one who spearheaded getting steroids scheduled, essentially. Biden did? Yeah.
He was at the forefront of pushing for the banning of them or scheduling. If I don't have muscles, nobody has muscles.
Yeah. And that's like he's blamed often by the bodybuilding community for the lack of refinements and anabolic steroids because now we're stuck with the same drugs we've been using since like the 80s.
Wow. So like every drug category has had significant refinements over the years to make them more effective, less side effect ridden, et cetera.
like GLP-1 medications, for example, highly effective and constantly being like lightning through pipelines to create really, really refined ones that are less problematic. And with steroids, that was being done in the 80s.
And then once there was, you know, the Ben Johnson debacle, I believe it was. Yeah.
That brought all this, you know, public outcry. Another proud Canadian.
Yeah. Getting positive for Winstrel, I think.
And people were like, is this just going to become like a fucking chemical warfare, essentially, in the Olympics? And whoever's doped the most is going to win. And people were freaking out.
And the response was Biden getting it, including testosterone, scheduled. Wow.
Yeah. And then there was this huge stigma developed around them and the taboo of being on steroids was developed,

and that's kind of what led to this probably slowing down progress decades

and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed

that were far less likely to kill them.

Yeah.

So we could have, like, really refined, highly effective compounds by now

that don't make your heart explode if you just if they just continue, probably. Well, I know that one state, I think it was Oregon, essentially decriminalized everything.
I think they've taken that back now because I think it was like Oregon's a disaster. Portland in particular, like you go, there's just needles and drug addicts, and it's like open-air drug marts everywhere because all the homelessness and the camping on the street, the tent situation there is fucking nuts.
And they're super tolerant, progressive people, so like overwhelmingly, right? So they just look at it in terms of compassion for these people. We need to fund them, and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless.
It's really nuts. So when a society like that decriminalizes everything, we're just going to have fucking people are going to go haywire with meth and whatever else they want to get.
But they also did it with steroids. They did it with everything.
They essentially decriminalized all drugs. But I think they took – did they take that back, Jamie? I would be curious, even if it was decriminalized, though, what the access would be like, because it's still going to be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally, which, from what I understand, is actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to it getting better.
Well, they're scrutinizing peptides now, which is really crazy. Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect, making possession a crime again.
So is it of all things, did they just change the law totally? So the Democratic-controlled legislature passed the recriminalization law in March, overhauling a measure approved by 58% of voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fine. The measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services, but the money was slow to get out the door at a time when the fentanyl crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses and health officials.
Grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic, we're struggling to stand up the new treatment system state auditors found. Okay, so they just couldn't keep up with what was, they didn't follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers.
Yeah, and like some of this stuff is like, I don't even know how much it would help being able to possess something when you can't even get it prescribed to begin with. Right, you can't manufacture it.
If you're allowed to get cocaine, if you're allowed to possess cocaine, are you buying fentanyl-laced cocaine from the cartel? Yeah, like in Canada, I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to possess steroids, but to sell it and distribute it, it is a crime. And there's still no pharmacies that are making like pharmaceutical grade steroids that aren't testosterone.
Could a pharmacy make it and give it away? Have you had some Elon Musk type fucking crazy person? I don't think so. Probably not.
Right. So if it's decriminalized and you're allowed to possess it are you allowed to make it no I think just like the process of distributing pro I don't even know but I know like oxandrolin for example anivar was recently like banned entirely and it's been allowed to be prescribed for certain neat like hyper specific niche purposes for decades it's been around since the 80s and.
And it's banned in America as well. Yeah.
Like recently it was added to like, it was basically D approved. But why? Good question.
Apparently. But you can still get the COVID-19 vaccine.
Yeah. Easily.
They'll still tell you to get it. Yeah.
Try to give it to kids. Yeah.
Sucked up, man. Yeah.
But, it because how many people are dying from Anovar? Not many. Like, what's the numbers? It's like, what is it, like Brazil nut deaths? You know what I mean? It's definitely not the safest safe drug, but I mean, like, it's, you know, when it's used appropriately, it can be fine.
Right. Yeah.
But there's not a crisis. No, no.
Yeah. That's the thing.

It's like, why are you passing laws when there's not an issue?

Yeah, I don't know what the effect of RFK will be, but it sounds like he might be able to influence things now in like a positive direction to that stuff.

He looks a little saucy.

Oh, for sure.

He's 70.

I think he admitted that he's on TRT.

Clearly.

I mean, you would have to be the craziest genetic freak of all time to carry that kind of muscle mass at 70 naturally. Yeah.
Yeah. So that's good.
And he also is open to the idea of changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is going to be really important to people. There's a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using, and that's really all it is.
People who are ignorant to the effects, ignorance to the risk, they're ignorant to all of it, and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies. Yeah, I definitely think psychedelics have utility.
One thing I do see that freaks me out, though, is people permanently changing their brain chemistry with like heavy ayahuasca exposure or whatever. Oh, yeah.
Like, have you seen, I've seen multiple cases of this on social media as well as in real life. People have gone like retreats and then come back unrecognizable in their demeanor and how they behave.
And not in a good way. Right.
Like weirdos. Oh, yeah.
I know a few. Yeah.
Like, have you seen Liver King recently? No. what's going on? He seems like I don't like borderline schizophrenic now Okay, but is that also I think he was mentally ill right maybe I would have listen Let me just classify my definition of mentally illness as someone who lies.
I Think it's a mental illness. I think lying when it's really obvious Yeah, like you know if if I try to tell people I'm six foot three, that's an obvious lie.
If I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler, that's crazy. You have to be a crazy person.
That's a mental illness. If you lie and say you're black and you're actually white and you like work for the NAACP, like the Rachel Dolezal lady, kind of mentally ill, right? Yeah.
That's a mental illness. There's something wrong.
You're you're not like you're not thinking clear and you're doing a thing that we generally like universally say is a bad thing which is lying right so if you're doing that you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious you're on steroids you're 46 years old you look like a fucking superhero you're right just super jacked yeah you know and then gets caught okay so now he has to come out and say that he's now imagine you've never been famous and then all of a sudden you are really really famous really quickly over the course of a few years like social media all over tiktok your profile is elevated to the point where you could say to the regular person's treat you know who Liver King is. Like, oh yeah, that roided up guy.
Everybody knows who he is. Then the hate because your labs come out and it finds out he's on a shitload of things.
This guy's juice to the tits. Obviously for a guy like you or a guy like me, we look at a guy like that, like you've got to be on the juice.
You don't even look remotely normal. Everyone says that though too, but, but a lot of people believe them.
Well, a lot of people are just ignorant, right? But the people that knew, like yourself, 100%, you knew that that guy was on steroids, right? So then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate. Now, I don't know what this dude does in terms of social media if he reads comments.
But just imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long. Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got, your YouTube, the comments are filled with people who hate you.
Filled with it. And you're just like sitting there stewing in your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions.
And your brain probably gets overrun by stress. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
It's, I don't even know. For him specifically, either if he did psychedelics or not, I'm pretty sure he's talked about it openly, but it was just like some of the videos were really odd and it kind of reflected behavior I've seen of people who have like experiences gone awry, but certainly not representative of what happens if it's done properly.
Well, I think it's depends on if it's done properly to who. Yeah.
Like your baseline state state and what you're, yeah. I think there's people, like this is the argument that Alex Berenson had when he wrote that book.
You know, he used to write for the New York Times. He wrote a book called Tell Your Children.
And it's all, his argument is that marijuana is not safe for everybody, right? It's safe for a lot of people. I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time they don't have any problems but I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic for marijuana now is it they were going schizophrenic anyway and then these high dose marijuana experiences were the tipping point we don't really know but we do know there's a correlation and I've seen it I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal.
And then all of a sudden they start talking to you about someone's talking to them in their head and there's a chip. And Elon Musk is going to have them be the king of Mars.
And people lose their shit, man. And they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion.
And it's horrible to see, especially if it's someone that you care about. It's really fucking weird.
Kills your REM sleep, too. Marijuana does.
Yeah, well, if you're using it to sleep, it can reduce sleep latency, but significantly harms REM sleep. So you might not be getting quality sleep every night, which exacerbates the effect.
It definitely fucks with your dreams. Yeah.
You know how I know this? Sober October, when we do Sober October,

like immediately I have these wild dreams,

like super vivid dreams.

I'm like, where have these things been?

So like for the whole month, it's crazy.

Do you track the sleep metrics

when you're doing Sober October versus?

No, I was doing it for a while with Whoop.

I was like checking my recovery.

I wasn't that, I'm basically a feel person. Like how do I feel? I'm pretty good at knowing how I feel.
And if I feel well-rested, if I got eight hours sleep and I feel well-rested, I'm not even going to check mine. I don't care.
I feel great. Let's go.
Let's go. I think so much of it is mental.
So much of it is like the energy that you have to approach your day is enthusiasm and health. You know, that's where your energy generally comes from.
Yeah, the stress of tracking can sometimes like defeat the purpose as well for some people. I think it's also, you know, I've heard people talk about like addiction, you know, like how many people are addicted to their phones? Most of us, right? There's an addiction to checking like health metrics.
And there's also an addiction like competing. But I would say that that's an addiction that's fairly positive because you're addicted to these numbers that are correlated with health benefits.
So it's like, what is addiction? Okay, if you're a gambling addict and you're losing your house and your children don't have food, okay, that's a detrimental addiction. But if you're addicted to exercise and you're losing your house and your children don't have food okay that's a detrimental addiction but if you're addicted to exercise and you're super fit because of it you're you're gonna live longer and you're healthy as fuck and you look great is that really an addiction i'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing we're talking about the same kind of pattern but like i've been addicted to a lot of things i've been addicted to martial arts for sure like if i don't i would be like out in public and if people if people were boring to me i'd be thinking of combinations i'd be like talking to them but i wasn't thinking about what they were saying i was thinking about how it hit them i'd think about like if they step like this then i go like that but what if i step here i was like working out footwork and i would do it in my head because i was an addict yeah but i was addicted to something that was very positive yeah no it's uh you need somewhere to attribute your i don't know dopamine too i guess yeah if it's positive it's like probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don't go over the top which is pretty difficult to do with health right so, you can break yourself down with overtraining.
You know, I would say that my good friend David Goggins is broken his body down with overtraining. He's got no cartilage in his knees, and he's running thousands of miles.
He's a complete psychopath. He must be in agony.
Like every step he takes, and he does not give a fuck. He just keeps going.

And it's really crazy to see.

His doctor looked at his knees and said, and this is from him directly.

He said, I don't know how you could walk on these knees.

Forget about run thousands of miles.

Yeah.

They had to cut his knee because it's bone on bone.

His bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation. And like, like some i forget what it's called something wolf syndrome something so they had to cut his leg cut his fucking tibia bone and shift it down so that it's flat so they could run flat bone on bone that's fucked dude it's madness do you know it's even more madness is the guys who get their tibia smashed open and femur and then get height increasing surgery.
That's crazy. Do you...
Do you follow that one guy who was like 6'2 who did it? Dude, I'm doing a podcast with him in two days. What is it called? I Got My Knees Done? Is that what he...
He took his cage down though, didn't he? Yeah, I think he was off social media for a while. And I was actually going to do a podcast with him last year.
And then it didn't end up working out. And he's available and into the idea still.
Is he fully healed now? He went from six foot to six foot six. Jesus Christ.
Look at the size of him. And this is him wheeling himself around.
And he was a massive guy, too. Look at the size of his fucking arms.
Yeah, the guy is like a genetic freak for muscle, for sure. Let's become taller.
They're cranking their legs. This is nuts.
So basically they go in and shove these rods into your legs, either in the tibia or the femur, or you can do both if you want to max out. And you can basically micro adjust, stretch it to create a separation between the bone, which then fills in with new bone over time.
And this is him seven months after the lengthening process. I want to see what your legs look like, dude.
Why I got sweatpants on. See what those little toothpicks look like.
So this guy went from like nuts i don't know what his original height was but he's six feet now and he was like i think five six or five seven when he started wow that's crazy so i have a lot of questions about is your athleticism permanently fucked now are you ever gonna be able to squat again you know like right what's life like now what was the surgery process rehabilitation what areitation? What are your mechanics? You have to learn how to fucking do everything. The distance between your shin, like your kneecap, and your foot, if that changes dramatically, like, your whole timing is different.
You have a different leverage. Everything's different.
What does it do to your hips yeah you know are you gonna wear your hips

out earlier like your body's probably like has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now yeah and this guy too he's a unique phenomenon even among the people doing this crazy surgery because he got the full six inches which is not necessarily typical having both uh bones broken to do it and then

maxing it out at the weight he's

at too. So he has to support which is not necessarily typical, having both bones broken to do it,

and then maxing it out at the weight he's at, too.

So he has to support the recovery on, like, I can imagine seemingly, like, 300-plus frame or something.

Jesus Christ.

A lot of people who get it done are, like, 5'6", trying to become, like, 5'.

They weigh 150.

Yeah, and it's, like, more.

Right.

It's still probably fucking insane, regardless.

It's insane. Yeah.
Well but it's just you're only

Stretching one bone right yeah, I have to are they doing the tibia as well it you pick so the tibia and the fibula rather

Yes, both of them femur or tibia. Oh, you do femur? Oh

Yeah, I could be misspeaking, but I'm pretty sure it's one or the other. Or both? Yeah.
Oh, Jesus. He has both done, and he maxed it up.
Oh, Jesus. Yeah.
So he's- What is the recovery like? Yeah, good question. So this is this guy after how long? A couple weeks after he's showing how he can jump, which is not much.
A couple weeks after he gets his surgery done? No, no. No.
After he gets the bars pulled off? It's like week by week, I think. Jumping after height surgery.
Oh, look how skinny his legs are. So he's pretty skinny.
So this is him in the beginning. He's trying to do it.
I would be terrified to do that. See, my curiosity is how athletic were they prior, and then what is their maximal, like, what's their max out point of recovery in contrast to their baseline because yeah you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional but that's so crazy yeah so they like stick a rod in it and micro i think like a year probably or I don't know, months.

So for a year you're walking around with these like iron shin plates. Yeah.
Yeah, it's pretty nuts, dude. Look at him.
Getting all the bitches now. Yeah.
Looking all sexy and tall. Now, there was one guy, Jamie, that you pulled up before who had it done, and they showed him doing some athletic drills, like cone drills and coordination drills, and he looked fucking great.
He looked like a real athlete, even though he got it done. It didn't look like it was – unless he's just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it.
I would like to know, like, did you have a decrease? Like, could you – I mean, you obviously look insane right now, but what'd you used to be able to be able to do? Yeah. Some of the stuff I'm curious about too is like how much of the content you see online is like sponsored versus actual like user content, just reviewing their experience.
Cause you could see like, for example, hair transplants, tons of people get sent like fully paid to go get a transplant done as long as they speak positively about it and whatever. So imagine a guy who's getting like specialized attention, which you would want if you're getting your fucking legs broken and you're getting it covered or whatever.
You just make sure you talk about it positively. Right.
How much of that content is like legit versus, you know, somewhat manufactured.

That's a very good point.

Yeah.

That's also one of those things where if you're a social media influencer, you probably want to appear like you're doing all the right things.

Yeah.

You would never want to admit that you fucked yourself up for height increasing surgery.

I can't walk right.

I'm in pain all the time.

I can't run anymore. You'd become the case study for like why to not do it yeah yeah i wonder i mean i wonder like what kind of an effect that would have on your mechanics i really do i would imagine for martial arts like you know where everything is like i like if i'm throwing a kick i know exactly where my shin is gonna land from the distance that i'm at like i've got like this mind my mind is coordinated for this short body i know exactly how much distance i have to cover if all of a sudden you add six inches to that oh yeah you're all you're everything is weird dude even gaming even gaining a bit of muscle can throw off your Your depth perception how strong.
Like, for example, when I was in high school, I played basketball. And I started working out in grade 11 and gained like 50 pounds in a year.
And my three-pointer that used to be just like just fucking money every time I knew exactly how to shoot the ball. Like it was, you know, just second nature because you've been doing it for a decade or whatever.
And then all of a sudden you add this extra force production that you're not accounting for. All of a sudden everything's thrown off.
And also you're sore all the time because you're always lifting, which makes you tight. Yeah, I became a brick house after that.
It's a giant problem with pool. Oh, I can imagine.
Because I'm addicted to playing pool. When I lift weights and then play pool, it takes like an hour before I can loosen up and play good.
Oh, man. Everything's off.
It's like my arm's not listening right. It's all stiff.
Like for pool, you want to like, when I'm playing really well, I'm barely holding on to that cue. It's like I'm almost letting the cue do all the work.
It's like a very gentle thing. But then when I do a heavy kettlebell session and then I try to play pool, it's like everything's just tight and goofy and clunky and you don't feel it.
Pool is like a feel game. You're feeling how many rotations you're putting on the ball to get it to move to the next position.
Like literally you're within one or two rotations correctly. And that's the difference between getting into an area where you can make the next shot or not.
So it's all feel. Like these guys, like Fedor Gors, who's like one of the best players in the world, he changed cues.

He changed cue companies.

The same weight, the same like taper, the same tip millimeter.

And he said his shot was about 10% off.

He goes 6 to 10% off.

I was like, what?

Like how?

He's like, it's off.

It takes a while to recalibrate.

Yeah, this is one of those examples where like,

you know, in MMA too,

like if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even,

like it's not necessarily beneficial.

Your mobility could be inhibited flexibility,

gas out quicker.

Even in BJJ, it's like,

and you can sauce to the tits,

but like it might not be helpful to the capacity

you can actually push it.

Right.

You know, you might gas out quicker. All of a sudden you can't do things that you used to do.
I think the key is moderation and lifting in regard to unless you're on the sauce. If you're doing anything like MMA or any skill-based thing, because as soon as you're tight and sore, you're not going to learn well.
You're not going to have a snap to your punches. You'll be pushing punches.
There's a fluidity. Some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless because there's a fluidity to the...
If you're landing a kick, for example, like a hard kick, like a spinning back kick, like what John Jones knocked out Stipe Miocic with, there's a dance going on with your nervous system, with all your muscles moving in coordination. If you think of how complex that movement is, right? He's standing like this sideways, and he's looking for the one.
And at the right moment, he pivots on the ball of his foot, turns his heel towards the person, rotates his entire body this way, and shoves his leg forward, pushing off his back leg with all of his weight. And there's a timing.
You don't want to hit him here, and you don't want to hit him at the end of it. You want to hit him right in the sweet spot.
So you've got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his rib cage in order for you to get maximum force

And it's all happening in a fraction of a second

It's just boom and when it lands it's like getting hit by a fucking car

And if you tie it but it's a dance and if you do here he see him do this look at this fucking dance man

Watch this look at that turn boom

I mean it's perfection. I had a feeling that if anyone could appreciate this it would be Yeah You for sure given this is like your signature, right? Oh, that's my specialty kick.
Yeah, that's yeah Not that is everyone is impressed by it But like I knew you would see it as like I was so hyped up Because I always wondered why more people don't throw it. That's also the same kick that Max Holloway landed on Justin Gaethje at the end of the first round.
He fucked him up at the end of the first round with a spinning back kick to the face which is a crazy kick to take in the mud. Sick fight.
But Stipe's one of the toughest guys to ever walk the face of the earth. For him to go down like that, look at look at the force boom i mean your hole his rib went in like look how deep it goes in on impact look how fucking deep his heel is in look at that that's insane that's like the body equivalent of that tony ferguson picture right right the one who gets kicked in the face yeah I mean, is incredible amount of penetration look at that oh I mean all of his organs just went into shock right there and if he was on the other side it would be even more devastating because that's not even the side where the liver is that's just general organ trauma you know and he just can't take it he He just down, and then that's a wrap.
So what happens when Aspinall fights Jon Jones? I gotta hope they fight. I wanna know.
It's gotta happen, right? Here's a question with Aspinall. What happens with Aspinall in the second round? Oh, I guess he has it.
You wanna talk about a guy with sprints. Yeah.
You wanna talk about a guy with fast twitch. Aspinall's one of the fastest heavyweights.
He might be the fastest heavyweight in the history of the sport. I don't think anybody moves like that guy does.
At a 250-plus pound frame, his movement is fucking extraordinary. And that's something you have to deal with.
That is a crazy ability. His ability to move, the way he moves, is so much different than everybody else in the sport.
Like, Google, let's come up with a good Aspinall fight. How about, the Curtis Blades fight was pretty quick, but how about the last one with the Pavlich fight where he won the interim title? That's a good one.
I got Volkov was three minutes? Yeah, all of fights like all together. He's fought like ten minutes Everybody gets blown out.
Yeah, but let's let's watch one of them like that The only loss he has was he blew his knee out throwing a kick, which is crazy what you didn't even get hit He threw a round kick in his ACL exploded. So let's see Marsin Tabora.
That's a good one. He's so fucking fast, dude.
The Andrei Oloski fight, you can see that's pretty fast too. Put the Tabora one.
It's the left-hand side. Go above that, to the left.
Right there. Click on that.
Just click on it. I can't's fine.
That's fine. I just want to show his movement.
Look how fast he moves in. I mean, that guy's so fucking fast.
He moves like a 175-pounder. He doesn't move like a 250-pound guy.
Look how quickly he closes the distance, man. His hand speed and full range of skills.
Incredible stand-up. Knocks guys out with one punch, black belt in jiu-jitsu, really good wrestler, his everything, and he's young.
So what's your prediction if it happens? It's hard to bet against John. It's hard to bet against John.
But John's not a real heavyweight. John could make light heavyweight, 100%.
He weights 230 right now, maybe a little less than 230. There's no doubt in my mind that if John just changed his diet and went back He hasn't put that much mass on that you would say 205 is out of reach.
No, it's a Fluffy weight. Yeah, yeah Look he had always had the reputation of fucking all the heavyweights up at Jackson Winklejohn always Everybody said like when Brendan went down and trained with him Brendan was a heavyweight Brendan Shaw He's like he fucked me up because dude.
I was like top ten in the world as a heavyweight I thought it was the shit he fucked me up because he beat my ass and he goes he beat everybody else's ass to all the other Heavyweights ragdoll dudes way bigger than him. He's just a freak His wingspan is like how much longer than than his height though too.
It's crazy. It's insane.
Crazy reach and also just skillful. His skills are so rock solid in every way, shape or form.
His stand up, his submissions, he's crazy strong. He's got just an insane mind for fighting.
And would he blow out Pereira think, where it's not even a worthwhile? The problem is the ground. John's so much better on the ground.
Like, world's better. And it takes so long to get really good on the ground.
And we've seen Pereira get in trouble with guys on the ground that are nowhere near John's level. Nowhere near.
John dominates everybody. He took down Daniel Cormier.
Daniel Cormier is an Olympic wrestler I mean he's a fucking phenomenal wrestler and John took him down and took him down multiple times It's a different dude man. This is what we're talking about like with genetics, right? There's some guys they're just blessed and then with John it's blessed and his mind it's not just it's his personality his like ruthless competitiveness it's like he's not going to fucking lose he's going to find a way to get you and he's going to do it clever he's not trying to take a bunch of punishment and stand and bang he's not going to point the center of the octagon let's go right here we'll stand right here never going to happen with Jon Jones.
You're not getting none of that, son.

You're getting knees to the gut.

You're getting your knees kicked.

You're getting fucking just liced up with elbows where your fucking head's bleeding. He's going to slowly dismantle you and find a way to submit you or punish you, beat you to death on the ground.
But can he do that with a guy like Aspinall, who's a legit 255-pound natural who moves like he's 80 pounds lighter? He's a freak, man. Aspinall's a freak.
I've seen a lot of heavyweight. Even Francis, who's the greatest, scariest power striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.
No one's scarier than Francis. Francis does not move like Tom Aspinall.
Tom Aspinall is significantly faster than every other heavyweight. That's a real problem.
That's a real problem. But John has been used to fighting guys like Alexander Gustafson, guys who are really fast at light heavyweight.
So the speed is not going to be as much of an adjustment. Like John's used to really fast people.
He fought Lyoto Machida when Machida was in his prime. Machida was a lightning bolt, man.
And he caught John a bunch of times. But then there's the thing of getting caught by Lyoto Machida is not like getting caught by 255-pound Tom Aspinall.
It's pretty crazy being at the top of the sport for, like, two eras, essentially. There's no one like him.
Yeah like when I was like a fucking teenager watching UFC it was like Lyoto versus him. You have like Mauricio Shogun fights.
He's 14 years at the top. Yeah.
14 years and they're debating whether or not he's the pound for pound best fighter alive right now. Islam Makachev currently holds that standing.
And I think that is voted amongst experts. I think that's what, you know, air quotes, experts.
Some of these guys don't know jack shit. There's guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life.
And that's a fact. The meme's pretty funny, though, where it's like every time Dana says John Jones is the best.
And they'll put it in front of like, it'll be like, I don't know, some obscene scenario. It'll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something, and then Dana White comes in and he's like, but John Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time.
I want to make sure that what I said was accurate. Who does get to decide what the pound-for-pound list is? I believe it's MMA journalists and experts.
Now, there's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys, and I don't want to say any names, but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life. And they love the sport, and they cover it fairly, and they're very knowledgeable, and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things.
But how much do you really know? Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members. See, that's a problem.
Media members were asked to vote on who they feel are the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound for pound. A fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC.
Now, this is not to disparage any of these media people. Like I said, I love them.
I'm friends with a lot of them. They're great guys.
There's no way you absolutely understand someone's ability, especially when you're talking about pound for pound, unless you've done martial arts. I just don't think.
When John threw that kick, I see that kick, and I go, that was beautiful. That was beautiful because I know how it kicks.
I know what's supposed to happen. You're just guessing.
You're guessing on what. You've never done that on somebody.
If you've never done that, you don't know how beautiful that is. You don't really get it.
You kind of get it. But you get it the way I get flying a plane.
I never fly a plane. I kind of see they pull the lever.
That guy did a great job flying that plane. Look how he landed.
Perfect. I don't know what's really going on.
But when it comes to martial arts, I know what's really going on. And when you look at a guy like Jon Jones, I don't think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument.
The way I like to look at it, I say, who had the highest expression of martial arts excellence during their prime like what I don't mean the entire career I don't mean now I mean when they were hot like when Anderson Silva was hot how good was that was that better than anything that ever existed because I think it might have been and though that's what I look at when I look at pound for pound best. So the argument is John Jones has had some really close fights.
He's had split decision fights that he won. A lot of people thought that some of his fights, like the Dominic Reyes fight, could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes.
Easily. And I would not have been mad at that.
And, you know, I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight. But there's those 10-9 rounds that are like, I don't know.
You could say 10-9 John or 10-9 Dominic. And either way, you've lost the title or you've won the title back.
You know, like, it's real weird. Makachev is so fucking good.
He's so fucking good that he head kicked Alexander Volkanovsky in the rematch. He submits everybody.
He submitted Dustin Poirier. He's a fucking monster.
When he gets guys on the ground, he just crushes them. And you could argue that he's dealing with a deeper talent pool.
So his weight class is, in my opinion, the most talent-rich weight pool in the sport, 155 pounds. 155 pounds is filled with assassins.
205 pounds is not. 265 is definitely not.
It's a giant difference. I feel like it's been a while since those divisions were really heated with depth.
Which ones? 205? Light heavy especially. They used to be the fucking division to watch.
Imagine, though, if Pereira was coming up when Jon Jones was the champion. That would be exciting.
That would be exciting. Pereira's a different cat, man.
Did you hear what Mark Goddard said to me in the fight after he fought Khalil Roundtree? Mark Goddard came up to me and goes, mate, the sound it makes when he hits them is ungodly. He goes, I've been doing this for 20 years.
He goes, the sound he makes is just different. It's ungodly.
He just kept saying that. He wanted to make a point to say this to me.
He came up to me immediately when I got into the octagon it's like the sound is ungodly his power is so different it's so do you know like francis hit that punch pad and he got like 127 or whatever perera got 190 oh yeah that 190 yeah you know how crazy that is with a kick the highest i got was like 15 Some guy got like 190 with a kick. We're pretty impressed.
I think some guy might have broken 200 with a kick. Some Muay Thai guy.
Pereira did 190 with a punch. With a punch.
Yeah. And it was after training.
He just wallops this fucking thing. And they come out of nowhere.
Like there's not really a call. There's no call.
There's no tell.

And he doesn't have to hit you full

power. Because he has so much power, like those

leg kicks that he fucks everybody with, there's

no turn of the hips at all. He's just

slapping you and all of a sudden you can't walk

well. And then he's like marching

you down and it just takes one

shot. His power is so

crazy. Different than anybody else's.

Because everybody gets hit on the chin. But when you get hit on the chin by that guy it's like you can't get hit you get hit it's like everything is just like you're like what the fuck you can see in their face yeah i remember the first time i was here we were talking about how this guy pereira is the only one who's ever beat at a sand yeah and he seems like this fucking assassin.
We were like, oh, that's an interesting timeline. Didn't know it would transpire into this degree of success where not only does he beat him, but then he switches divisions, fucking smokes that division too.
It's crazy. Dominated two divisions.
And the only reason why he didn't stay at middleweight, he's literally killing himself to get to 185. And think that likely contributed to the ko too like adesanya landed a perfect right hand that right hand is going to fuck him up every day of the week no matter what you weigh it's just perfect and the timing the way he did it like leaning up against the cage and just look for the opening and just caught him coming in bang dropped him hit him with the left hook put the arrows into him when he's down that ko was perfect but you got to wonder like how much of his inability like went completely unconscious how much of that is because of the drain the dehydration because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue yeah so like they oh some impact for sure yeah yeah fighters always say that it impacts their ability to take a punch they talk about it like openly like i took punches better when i went up to 55 like uh a good example is olivera olivera was like notorious for kind of like folding at 45 he goes up to 55 and he becomes unstoppable yeah no it's uh i'm surprised he ever sucked out of that to begin with i think's so big that he was getting, making 185 and then fighting at 226.
That's even more aggressive than the Costa cuts, I think. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah, I think he's got the most, he had the most aggressive weight cut.
Now it's pretty marginal. Now I think he gets into the low 220s, like 222, 22, and then he cuts 15.
Not that bad for a big guy with a lot of muscle. Dude, Costa needs to go back to brawling.
He used to be so exciting, and now it's just kind of like, has different strategies each time, and then I don't know, it just doesn't seem to be working out. It's hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned Yeah, because that's the thing you think he's like psychologically just I don't think he's the same guy Like that's the guy who walked down Yoel Romero and we're like, oh my god Yoel Romero met a bigger freak than him Because regardless of whether or not you think cost is juicy that guy's got Extraordinary genetics, you know, I mean that's why such a beautiful man perfect features like incredible frame This frames incredible and whether or not he's juicy the the reality is the guy has insane genetics And he was a fucking warrior especially in that you L Romero fight you L Terrifying to everybody and Costa just walked him down and beat his ass and that was not a close fight It was primarily a stand-up-up fight, which is where Yoel's the most scary.
And Costa was in no danger. He beat the shit out of Yoel Romero.
But then he fought a guy who was just way more slick. And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond.
He just, he was making, he was, what he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren't as skillful as Adesanya but that strategy Adesanya was easily exploiting he was like exploiting with distance and with feints and distant management and chopping at the legs and just he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round he was realizing I can't touch this guy and he keeps hitting me and when he would touch Izzy Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he blocked the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance and it was just he was too good that's is he in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain and at that moment he felt he fought the best israel adesanya that's ever been and that's like we were talking like, how good does a guy compete in that one step, this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just in his prime. And I think that was what it was.
That was Izzy in his prime, which is one of the greatest fighters of all time against Paulo Costa, who just didn't have the answers to that. And once you've been bested like that and a guy dry humps you when you're down he beats your ass, TKO's you and then humps you I thought I was the man so then he has all these doubts and then he goes into the next fights he missed weight for one fight fought at 205 remember when he fought who the fuck did he fight God damn it, Marvinittori he fought marvin vittori and they were supposed to be fighting 185 and they fought at like 205 and he still looked like he was out of shape yeah he looked like he's mentally all fucked up from that fight yeah i can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you like go from top rank to I think he's lost like three in a row

It's crazy. I'd like to see him get back into form, but I don't know if he can anymore

You know, I don't know if you're psychologically the same guy. Did you watch CGI?

What is that the Craig Jones invitation? Oh, yeah, I was thinking what does the CGI stand for?

Yeah, I watched it. Yeah, what do you think? Well, I think it's great that these guys are getting a lot of money

I think that's awesome. Yeah, and it's kind of crazy.
They decided to compete against Abu Dhabi in the same weekend

I thought that was kind of nuts, but I guess if you want to be controversial and Craig is certainly controversial and you want to get a lot of attention

It got a lot of attention and then of course the money I mean he came into the studio with three million dollars in cash was it three yeah wasn't it uh one it was one million oh it was one million okay but even so he gave it but they gave out three billion dollars right so three three different divisions got a million dollars so he brought in a million dollars in a duffel bag which i've never seen that before it's crazy to look at at. No, yeah, it's not easy to get.

You know, it's fun.

Craig's fun.

He's a funny guy.

He's fucking hilarious.

He's the most hilarious guy in jiu-jitsu.

He's like really silly.

He's very self-deprecating, and he's super skillful.

I mean, his jiu-jitsu is like second best in the world.

He always talks about it.

He named his team the B team.

He's not going to beat Gordon.

You know, Gordon is a freak, gordon is like a real psychopath like gordon trains every day of the week gordon versus nicky rod who wins gordon no question yeah gordon's better he's just better nicky rod might get to gordon's level one day i mean but if they're not training together i don't know if he will you know i don't he's training with, look, he's beat him every time they faced him. And Nicky did catch him in a footlock, but Gordon's like, God, break my foot.
I'm still going to win. And he submitted him easily in Abu Dhabi.
And when they had their second match, you know, Gordon was alleging he was greasy. Like he was difficult to get a hold of.
And that's been something that people have said about Nikki before. But it might be soily food.
I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know what's going on. But I know guys did that.
I know guys would take baths. This was in the early days, like the pride days.
They would lay in a bathtub filled with baby oil. So they would lay in this bathtub with water and like fucking gallons of like P.
Diddy style P. Diddy style fucking just supplies of baby oil in that water and they'd bathe in it.
Then they would wash themselves off, dry themselves off and then to the touch their skin would not feel like oil at all until they started sweating. And then when they started sweating they would be like a fish just you just couldn't grab them.
Oh Yeah, that was the thing that it was alleged that certain strikers from Brazil used to do before they fought and Guys just could not get a hold of them. They would just be so slippery You couldn't take them down if you take them down you couldn't hold them down You just slip right out of your hands like a bar of soap.
And how would you avoid?

Do they screen for that somehow in the UFC? Or how does that work? The problem is, what I'm saying, that you could oil your skin up and then wash it. And they would still be in your pores.
And you wouldn't even be able to detect. As long as you were dry, they would rub you with a cloth or something.
Nope, there's nothing on his skin. like what unless they have like baby oil detection wipes that you then send to a laboratory to find out this person put baby oil on so are you never allowed to put baby oil on or are you only allowed to put baby oil on until the week of the fight like when when are we gonna say no baby oil ever for a person what if they like baby oil what if they like to you know what if they like cocoa butter? So it's weird.
It's weird. And so the solution to that is everybody has to wear long-sleeve rash guards and spats.
That's the solution. And that's what they should do.
So the best way to stop these greasers is you put them in leggings. Leggings and tights.
Simple. Yeah, I remember that was like a bit of a controversy at least in early ufc it was like oh yeah yeah i know guys greased i 100 i can tell you 100 guys greased even like between rounds the two i know one guy who didn't just grease he put vick's vapor rub all over his chest jesus and then he would grab guys and pull their head into his chest so you'd be getting sweat and vicks vapo rub in your eyes and he'd be kneeing you in the face that's fucking crazy crazy yeah well when they weren't testing for things dudes did a lot of dirty shit yeah i heard another story i can't substantiate will say no names, but a guy allegedly gave blood to make weight.
So he didn't give blood, but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so that he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body probably resupplied itself with a significant amount of it, depending on how much time it is between the fact that we withdraw the blood. I don't know how long, how much time, but you could think about like how much weight blood is.
Yeah. And if you can get like, you know, how much can you take while you're still conscious? I don't know.
But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and re-proliferate with blood and then go back into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood totally undetectable and you made weight with blood cutting yeah and that's like another micro dose vector that people use still to this day blood all gets blood transfusions well that's when there's probably multiple factors where you're not allowed to get ivs and that might be one of them. Yeah, but it's like detecting that is always just through your data that they have to assess, or they assess for, like, plastics in your bloodstream, which you can get around just by storage technique.
Right. Plastics in your bloodstream, would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to like a bag? Some people are like freezing as opposed to just like storing it in liquid format.
And then whatever you're storing it in, it can all make a difference in terms of like... Freezing it? Yeah.
You can freeze your blood and then put it back in? Yeah. Whoa.
Yeah. Like thaw it out, obviously.
But how weird is that? Super weird. How long is your blood good for that's a good question but i would imagine longer if you're freezing it jesus christ the things people do just to get a little bit of an advantage yeah but it works man like that's yeah yeah yeah and it's like at least of the doping methods like one of the least easy to detect because there's no like substance that is stimulating anything.
It's just your own blood that was supposed to be there.

Right. So the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV.
yeah well it would be like they'd look at your biological passport data and see a unusual

elevation of hemoglobin hematocrit probably around an event. And you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticulocytes, which are like immature red blood cells.
Because if your body has similar to the testosterone, if you administer it, you stop producing naturally. So if you put in exogenous blood, you're going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate supply.

So you would have a disproportionate ratio between blood cells, oxygen care and capacity markers, and immature blood cells. And it's like, why is this differential so significant all of a sudden? And it might flag an atypical finding and get further scrutiny.
and, yeah, with blood transfusions, because there's no way to really prove anything, oftentimes penalizations occur based on, like, it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it. Like, how would they detect that? Like, I think it's just such an aberrant finding that's different from everything you've ever showed in your data that you must have cheated oh right so the biological passport yeah because it's like with other compounds like testosterone you need to have like confirmation via isotope ratio mass spec or whatever but with blood it's like what did you do like there's no compound to prove was or wasn't there it's just like the blood but it is it is illegal, right? So you'd have to have a nurse that can keep their mouth shut.
Or a significant other who is a nurse or a myriad of different things. Right.
Yeah. Right, right, right.
And some of this stuff isn't like hard to really learn either. Like it's actually a pretty good profession is learning how to take – like some people do phlebotomy as like a low barrier to entry high paying job so like being somebody who takes blood is like there's not much of a requirement from like credentials to be able to do and it pays well per hour yeah and if you had a family member who's a phlebotomist and they could hook that up.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. What are the other different ways that they can get it? Like how rock solid is like, let's forget about drug sport, what they have now, but the USADA protocol that they were using before, what are the best ways to get around that? Well, because they weren't actually testing almost at all for EPO and GH.
What percentage were they testing for it? You probably have to ask Hunter to confirm, but my understanding was like, best case scenario, you were getting EPO tested if somebody reported you as like, you know, there's a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater. And again, is this a finance thing? Is this a...
I think it was a lot finance and time intensive and because some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude as like, you know, just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine. You have to actually like manually do work to like combust down and assess the ratio.
and there's like nuance in interpreting this stuff too

because a lot of times you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert in terms of it if it looks weird right so you have to like bring in multiple opinions too maybe of experts who then kind of come to a consolidated answer on did you cheat or not and it gets pretty complicated so doing this at scale on a sport

that has no off season with people globally competing right pretty fucking costly for sure

to do properly well the mma conspiracy theorists they always point to like people doing their camps

and like faraway lands like what a good way to cheat you know because if you want to do a camp

in dagestan like how many times is usada going to dagestan yeah and what happens to those guys

Thank you. lands like what a good way to cheat you know because if you want to do a camp in dagestan like how many times is usada going to dagestan yeah and what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those bearded dudes yeah imagine telling those guys wake up at six o'clock in the morning yeah they'll feed you their goats yeah what are you talking about fuck you come back tomorrow yeah fuck you yeah no it...
Also, they probably know when you're there. Yeah.
They probably got that town wired. There's absolutely logistical problems that lead to lower barriers for certain people.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, like, do you camp in Thailand, son? Yeah, for sure. You got to wonder, like, I would like to see, like, what's the data on people that do their camp in Thailand?

How often are they tested versus a guy who's got a camp in Iowa? And even, like, the rigor of the person who's hired to do the testing.

Because it's, like, how, you know, scrutinous is whoever you're outsourcing your hiring in that area to.

Like, you know, they could be, like, a local who is,, you know, like pledged allegiance to that fucking, you know, whatever. So I don't know, man, it's, it's tough for sure because there's no way to like truly bulletproof it, I think, but at least the UFC developments as of recent, they've confirmed they're doing like isotope ratio mass spec and actually doing some of the higher level testing for

bioidenticals that could catch the microdosing and the things that are very difficult to detect

stuff is still gonna squeeze through for sure but it's gonna be better than it was where they were

either not doing it or then letting letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be

fucking snitches for them it used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like

Thank you. people do it maybe and then asking them to be fucking snitches for them it used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like big camps that would hire scientists and that you know they would figure out ways around dude that is a growing profession is it oh yeah yeah there's like so many pharmacology nerds who are like like i I've even been asked to help people in the Olympics before.
Really? Yeah. Wow.
Because you're a pharmacological nerd. Yeah, exactly.
And so these people ask you to cheat for them. To help them cheat, yeah.
Which is also a criminal offense, my understanding, due to, there's actually a law now. It's like the Rod Chankov Act or something.
Oh, wow. So if you help somebody, you're also

doing a crime.

Ooh, wow.

Yeah. So,

you know, obviously not worth doing

for me, so I never did it.

Well, especially something like the Olympics.

There's no money in it.

You're not making any money. Which is crazy.

Crazy. It's like pure pride for winning a medal.
It's pure exploitation. That's what it is.
Because it's not like there's no money. Like, why are you making all the money? Well, these people are noble.
They don't want to get paid. Like, no, you're just not paying them.
They don't even know how much money there was. Because in 1936, there was no money.
Right? There was no sponsors. There was no nothing.
Yeah, I remember. There was no TV.
Yeah, that's it. Okay, the bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major international sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method.
A violator is subject to criminal penalties, a fine, prison term of up to 10 years, or both, and mandatory restitution. Huh.
Yeah. Interesting.
Yeah, there's definitely, and when you hear about stuff like this too, it's like there's always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor, what are people doing that I'm not? And curiosity strikes. What do you think is the answer? What's like the non-ideological, when you look at it objectively, you say, you know what, what we should be doing is doing everything that works.
Or what we should be doing is have the most insane testing that everybody has to be 100% natural, no ifs, ands, or buts, and there's no cheating. That's really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it's like, oh, we're going to have medical assessments that ensure safety and blah, blah, blah.
But it's like if you're going full board, it's like oh we're gonna have you know medical assessments that ensure safety and

blah blah blah but it's like if you're going full board it's impossible to be healthy and say yeah

yeah so like as much as you could argue it's probably better to not be using frankenstein

designer drugs or doing weird methods to get around cheating the alternative is not necessarily

like far superior in terms of health because if i'm allowed to use a gram of test you know like i'm not going to stop at 200 migs you know like i'm going to go full full fucking sauce to the tit so yeah if you can get a physiological benefit of being on trend and just fucking completely roid it out of your mind yeah become like a fucking dopaminergic psycho and just like, you know, you will absolutely take that risk regardless of what

it does to you.

Yeah, especially if you're trying to win, right?

If people are willing to cheat when it's really dangerous, you could lose the medal and you can get outed and publicly shamed like Ben Johnson.

Or you don't have to worry about that because they're allowing you to, but they would like you to take like a and you're like fuck you with your sustainable I'm trying to be number one bitch give me it all. I love the idea of the enhanced games by the way but it's like at least my concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails and then alternatively if there are guardrails now it's set up for corruption at the medical provider level who's assessing what you're healthy enough to do.
And like, you know, are you going in to get your blood drawn at the trough point after injections where things look like they're half out of your system versus before? Like, it's almost like a new level of doping that would be introduced. Right, right, right.
And I'm sure they're very well-spoken, eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff and I'm sure have answers to that or, you know, have some idea of what they're going to do. But like, those would be my questions as to, and I'm not saying it needs to be safe.
Right. You know, it might just come down to accepting that this is the fucking chemical warfare games.
Right. Yeah.
Which there's nothing wrong with that if you're going to expose yourself to that risk. People do that in bodybuilding all the time.
That's like literally what bodybuilding is. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what's crazy, right? Bodybuilding's a huge sport.
It's not possible without illegal drugs. And there's no Rod Chankov act for bodybuilding either.
So there's like literal, the guru stuff is crazy in bodybuilding. Well, how do they get away with it since it's completely illegal I mean like obviously you're going to jail if I'm a guy who's arresting people who are on steroids I go to Mr.
Olympia I'm like you're all in jail right? You'd think if you wanted to just like hit your quota for the year you'd just show up to the Olympia Expo and just be like, all of you, get in the fucking car. Get in the paddy wagon.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know, man. That's a.
How'd you get it? When it comes to possession in the States and like how scrutinous they are on anabolics, I think it's mostly if you're importing mass amounts, they will flag you because you're likely a distributor at that point. Okay.
So if it's like personal amounts, typically you would buy it domestically to not like red flag yourself. Cause I think in, in the mail, you can't even have your mail get checked if it's domestic.
So if you are buying from, you know, the other side of the country, no one would know that you were sent anything. It's only if you're buying growth hormone from China or something.

Oh, and then you get flagged. And you have enough

kits that happen to get flagged in customs

and they keep a note on your

record of this guy might be doing

something. So he might be a steroid dealer.

Yeah. And then they'll have sting operations

and try and figure out who's actually distributing

because they have resource allocation

bandwidth problems too. So they have to go

after the big fish. Right.
Do guys go to Mexico and bring him across the border? Not anymore too, so they have to go after the big fish.

Right.

Do guys go to Mexico and bring them across the border?

Not anymore.

No, they used to?

Oh, yeah, back in the day.

Yeah, people would, like, smuggle it up their ass to get it here.

Jesus Christ.

Imagine taking a trend that was in a guy's asshole.

Yeah, Dan Bilzerian used to, he talked about how when he was in Buds,

he would, like, go with his buddies to get gear from Mexico, and then they'd smuggle it up their asses back into the US. Jesus Christ.
What if the bottle broke? Fucking. Yikes.
Butthole glass cuts, buddy. I watched that in a video.
It's called One Guy, One Cup. Oh, yeah? You ever seen that one? No.
That was back in the Lively days. I saw the OG variant of that, and never would of that and never what i i can't watch another one one guy one cup is way more horrifying this guy sticks a mason jar up his asshole and it breaks i think it's a mason jar some kind of a jar up his asshole and it breaks and it's just chunks of broken glass and blood fall onto the ground as he squats it's horrible but i it multiple times.
There's a lot of crazy people in this world.

Do you think that...

I'm of the opinion. Let me just say what I think.

I think that

most substances should be legal.

And I think people should be able to

figure out what's good and what's bad. There's a lot

of things that are legal. Adderall's legal.

I don't take Adderall.

I'm 99% sure I have ADHD. I don't even know what it is.
I don't even know if it's real. I think it's probably a superpower.
But if I went to a doctor and I was complaining about I can't focus on any one thing, I'm all over the place, they'd probably give me some. And that would have legal stimulants.
I don't think, it's probably think it's not good for you, so I don't take it. But I could, right? Why is that legal and cocaine's not? Like, why is this legal and that's not? Why is whiskey legal and marijuana's not? This doesn't make any sense to me.
Why is Xanax legal, psilocybin's not? Like, what are we doing? Who gets to decide? Well, you could argue that, well, that's the reason why clinical trials exist, which assess, you know, safety profiles of these drugs and they wouldn't make it through otherwise but like obviously we've seen that that's not once you get financial interest involved it's kind of hard to overlook that a lot of shit makes it through that probably shouldn't have and stuff that maybe should have made it through it didn't make it through so you know like i am of the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it hopefully first it's's tough, though, because it's like if you have a guy who's, like, I don't know, manic, and he has access to, like, meth and, like, pharma-grade meth at that or something, which actually exists, too. Oh, yeah.
And you end up with, like, a Hitler or something. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
The trend thing, is that the worst one psychologically from anabolic steroids i would say probably that and then maybe secondary you know some people could argue halotestin is a drug that supposedly mike tyson was using when he bit the vander holyfield yeah and it makes you like fucking short term acutely extremely angry what did you hear that he was using that? I don't remember exactly. I think it was like he didn't test positive for it.
I think it was just like highly rumored, like a very prevalent rumor. They probably didn't test for it though either, right? No, it was back then.
It was really easy to get around like oral steroid detections back then as well, if they were even testing for it. I don't even know if

they were testing back then. Yeah.

Tren is the worst offender for

your psychological state

not just because the

drug is bad

but it also like ruins your sleep.

So you get like Tren cough I mentioned but

Tren sweats is another one where it

almost induces like a menopause like

hot flash

sweating in your sleep and you wake up just fucking drenched and it like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyper paranoid as well which is no good because even though you're this jacked sometimes confident guy others you're like you're unreasonably insecure and you like a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on them just out of nowhere by being on trend. Really? Yeah.
And they end up becoming, you know, oddly behaving. Sexual deviancy is also a very common.
I've heard of that. Yeah.
Yeah. On trend.
and it's thought to be the progestogenic activity because it's derived from nandrolone,

which is a progesterone receptor agonist as well. And progesterone is thought to be very implicated in gay sexual tendencies as you grow up if you had heightened exposure to progesterone in utero.
And highly dopaminergic drug as well, which in excess can cause like really weird sexual deviancy as well. And yeah, it's like really fucking potent.
Good at what it does. It builds lean mass and it's like a really dry compound.
Doesn't make you watery. Also has a unique anti-catabolic effect.
So you don't, in a deficit, you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you're cutting. Whoa.
Yeah. So it's not like steroids don't all do that to some degree, more or less, but this drug is like uniquely potent in its anti-catabolic action to where you could be like extremely nutrient deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle.
Wow. And because it's so good at making you extremely strong too, without an excess of body weight,

it's like highly sought after in many sports because you don't have to worry about jumping

up in weight class while you're getting the strength increase.

That is humongous.

Wow.

Yeah.

So it was one of the drugs that was used in the Duchess cocktail, which is what Rod

Chankov would have at his athletes swish around in their mouth. Oh, really? Yeah, it was absorbed bucally.
So it was almost like the equivalent of IVing the drug right into your bloodstream. You would swish it around your mouth in this alcohol, and it would absorb bucally into the bloodstream immediately.
So you wouldn't have to actually have it go into your stomach and then

get processed through a first pass metabolism so you could get in and out of your system way faster wow yeah wow so why is that one good for fighters uh i would think that like getting emotional though yeah you could argue that the emotional instability is not good yeah but makes you very aggressive.

The psychoactive

effects. Yeah, you could argue that the emotional instability is not good.
Yeah. But it makes you very aggressive.
The psychoactive effects in the gym can be very helpful for training and stress resilience. And some people, it's not everyone who becomes paranoid on it.
It's highly individual dependent. Some people, you will often hear people say, oh, people overblow the side effects of training.
It's not that bad. And then other people who will say it ruined their life.
So it's highly individual dependent like any drug, but it's very good at making you extremely fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well. There's another factor that comes with steroid users, and that's the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids.
Yeah. Because once they get off steroids and they don't feel like Superman anymore, they get real weirded out.
Yeah. And they want to get back on again.
I've seen that. Oh, yeah, dude.
The thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes in perpetuity too because it's like a ultimately steroid use often stems from like body image insecurity so if you achieve you know the outcome you sought with this thing to think that you're gonna be you know a confident person after you've lost the 30 40 pounds lean that you gained like you were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with. Except Dorian Yates.
Oh, yeah. That guy, he's a unique cat.
Yeah, he's lost all the way. He looks like a normal athlete now.
Yeah. He's healthy.
Yeah, he had me on his podcast this year, and he said anytime he's done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster, he says they're more upset about it than I am. He has a unique perspective on it, which is really cool to see.
He's very intelligent. Yeah.
Yeah, very calm and, you know, just the way he approaches things. But, God damn, dude, when that guy was getting after it, he was one of the original freaks.
Yeah. One of the first guys where you're just like, what? Like, that's what they're pushing it to now? Yeah, he left humanity behind.
He was so big, dude. He was so big.
He was ridiculous. If you think about what he looked like versus what Arnold looked like just a couple of decades earlier.
Oh. Night and day.
Yeah, you could argue he was like the catalyst almost to a heightened standard of amount of muscle you need to be competitive. I mean, he was so big, he blew his bicep out and competed in one with a torn bicep.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
With like a hole in his arm. Yeah, that's fucked up.
When you get that big and you have to worry about exploding your fucking muscle every workout because you're so strong, and that's what you need to lift to get the stimulus, that's crazy stuff well ronnie coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that like that guy's all fucked up now yeah yeah it makes you wonder if he would have been the bodybuilder he was if he just trained higher volume and like right higher reps less weight yeah because literature now suggests that you don't need to necessarily train like that. Look at the difference

between the two of them. Arnold on the left

and Dorian on the right. Dorian's twice

his size. Yeah.

His fucking back, dude. That's crazy.

That back isn't... Not that

Arnold isn't insane. He was fucked pretty

insane. I actually think Arnold looks better.

Yeah, he's more aesthetic

for sure. Oh, look at his back.

Look at Dorian Yates back and look at Ronnie Coleman's back. Yeah.
Jesus, more aesthetic for sure. Oh, look at his back.
Look at Dorian Yates' back. Look at Ronnie Coleman's back.
Jesus, guys, were huge. Ronnie Coleman was crazy, but Dorian was like weirdly thick.
Like look how thick his fucking muscles are, man. It's just not.
First of all, judging guys that are that big, good luck. I don't get it.
They all look awesome. They awesome they all look crazy dude it's even harder judging

a bikini show so there's different classes at the olympia including women's bikini and there's like a few poses they'll pull up a comparison of the women's olympia for bikini what is the bikini versus regular olympia well it's just like the best bikini competitors against each other for the Olympia crown of bikini category.

What's the bikini category versus the regular Miss Olympia category? Miss Olympia is like bodybuilding. Oh, this isn't bodybuilding? Well, it's like a form of bodybuilding, but it's not the actual category.
Right. This is women who still look feminine.
So like, put it this way, with men, there's different categories. There's open men's open men's body building classic physique and men's physique and each of them has like an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive and in women similar differences exist in categories where they have women's bikini wellness something else and then body building is the one where you can you pretty much need to be on like male Level steroids to be competitive and this is a reality of female bodybuilding that a lot of female bodybuilders look I know female jiu-jitsu competitors to take steroids, which is that's crazy There's not even any money in that you're juicing yourself up But if you want to get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman like what do they take well for bikini you might be able to do it naturally all but most of them are probably still taking a little bit something but it's not like masculinizing there's a lot of things they can take that are natural or over the counter or like super micro dosed amounts of anabolics that don't cause masculinization.
But above that, the thresholds for

categories above that are like

if you go to women's bodybuilding, it looks

like you remember it, where it's

dudes with wigs on, basically, almost.

Yeah.

I mean, they're trans men, basically.

Basically, yeah. Based on

their hormone profile, they are more

male than you and I,

probably. Whoa.
God. Look at that lady.
That's crazy. Is she Miss Olympia? She number one? That's women's physique, too.
That's not women's bodybuilding. What? Yeah.
So this is like a different category that's less muscle than bodybuilding. So what's women's bodybuilding? That lady? Probably.
Who's Miss Olympia? Do they still have women's bodybuilding? I think they do. Hmm.
Yeah, that might be it. Look at that lady down the lower left hand.
Jeez, those ladies are huge. Oh, my goodness.
That's got to be it. Those are dudes.
That's a dude's body, like size-wise.

Not saying you're a dude, ladies.

Don't hurt me.

By the way, more power to anybody who wants to do whatever they want.

It's just like the reality of the exposure to these hormones is they are masculinizing,

and you can blame Biden for that.

Wow.

Yeah, because he stopped the development of them and by now we probably

have non-masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude oh my god have you ever thought about bailing out of canada dude i would love to i've considered it but there's weird stuff around like unrealized capital gains and exit taxes and shit that basically traps you there. Really? Yeah.
so like i could physically be present in the states and live here maybe for six months of a year but to like get out of the system fully you gotta like pay the piper on every company you've ever built even if you don't have the money from it because you never sold it there's gains that were made in canada the value of it that you have to pay on it's like how you pay for it? I don't have any fucking cash because I didn't sell the company. So they make it very difficult to leave the country.
Yeah. Yeah.
And maybe that changes with Pierre. I don't know.
But like one of the main problems with the economy is there's no incentive for business owners that are doing well to stay. Like everything is structured around how do I get around this fucking system,

not how do I stay here.

So like I know personally every friend I have that is successful has either

already left or has tried to find a way to leave.

Actually, I know one person who hasn't,

but he's like really entrenched in the system and like it would be impossible

to unwind at this point. So I don't know how much of it is he actually wants to be there or like it's a beautiful place to live in british columbia for example but like yeah it's fucking cost of living is obscene and the tax some kids were doing a tiktok with food at a canadian supermarket like a bunch of chicken wings and how much it was? Oh, the dollar too is horrible.

It's like a dollar.

Every dollar in U.S. currency equates to 140 Canadian.

Whoa.

Yeah, so your dollar goes super far in Canada.

140, Jesus.

And then to buy, like, I don't know, a shitty shack fucking house

that's not even a house in Vancouver, It's like millions of dollars. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I think the cost of living is only exceeded maybe in real estate by like New York, maybe.
Wow. Yeah.
It's like one of the worst offenders on the planet for cost of a home. So basically, back in the day, our parents, one of the main ways to become financially stable was get in early on a property and build equity in it.
And eventually you'd have something that accrued in so much value from since you got it that that's your main nest egg or whatever. Yeah.
Nowadays, it's not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on, like, a place that's not even nice. So you have, like, families staying in, like, 500-square-foot apartments with big families because they can't afford anything else.
It says, impossibly unaffordable housing report ranks Vancouver third most expensive in the world. Yeah.
Hong Kong and Sydney are the only time. Whoa.
Sydney. That's interesting.
Huh. I would have never suspected Sydney, Australia to be that expensive.
That's nuts. Yeah.
Well, listen, brother. Anything else you want to talk about before we bail out of here? I think it was a good one.
Yeah. Yeah.
A lot of fun. Yeah.
Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate you as always.
What's that, Jamie? Miss Olympia Wellness we missed out on. What's that? A focus on the lower body.
What? Oh, butts. Yeah.
Top half doesn't matter. Oh, yeah.
So I was going to say. Top half doesn't matter? For real? Yeah.
Shut the fuck up. Why are they standing face forward then? It's all about the glutes and hips.
Let's see them glutes. It definitely matters, but not as much as.
It's not focused, I should say. Yeah.
So anyway, watching the posing, you were saying it's hard to judge men's bodybuilding. With women, it's, at least with the bikini category especially, their hair is really long and they have extensions too to make it look even longer.
So when they turn around, basically the only thing you can judge is like ass down essentially

because their whole back is covered by hair.

Oh, that's weird.

Yeah.

So it's like a pageant for your butt.

I'm all in.

No, I could, by the way, like any bikini competitor is probably fucking furious with that statement.

There's absolutely.

Well, they're on trend.

They're going to get angry.

Probably not.

But like they're judged on other things

but that's a

the main factor

got it

okay

alright man

well

been a lot of fun

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my pleasure brother

always good to see you

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