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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day! But if you want to sort of see a vision of the future, it's like, basically the top 20, or even the top 100, is like totally dominated by China.
Really? Yeah, this is like China, and a little bit of Korea, and Taiwan. So are you in the top 20 in the world? Yeah.
Top 20.

Wow.

And Diablo. Yeah, yeah.
Do you want to tell everybody your handle? No, no, don't tell them. Don't tell them.
It's not worth it. Well, they actually listed me with my actual name in the list.
Oh, did they really? Oh, interesting. But, yeah, there's only two Americans in the top 20.

The rest, almost everyone

is from Asia otherwise.

We were talking about something that I think is a really

good, because people always think that video games are

frivolous, but what you were saying, I think,

that's really important is it's so

difficult that it requires you to only think

about that, and it can, like, relieve

stress. Yeah.
It can take out the rest of the world, because it's so hard. Yeah.
You can only think about that and it can like relieve stress. Yeah, it can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard.
Yeah, you can only think about that. Yeah, I mean if I play video game on extreme difficulty then I have to concentrate fully on the game And it's it's a calming effect.
Yeah, it's sort of chills down and I mean you mentioned I think and many people like if you play martial arts or you play pool yeah like something that that forces you it's like i think any anything that forces you to concentrate fully um actually has a as a calming effect i find it just sort of like um kind of a mental restoring effect yeah it's like it's good jujitsu is like that uh like that as well. Yeah.
Like when you're shooting a bow, there's so many moving things. And you have to think only of it.
And it cleans the mind. It cleans the mind.
Yeah, exactly. I was reading this study about surgeons where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors.
Well, video games require manual dexter require manual dexterity Yeah, it makes sense completely make actually if somebody was like I'm a good video games. I'd say like the surgical skills gonna be very good because in order to be good at video games Any kind of fast reaction video games look at this 32 percent fewer errors 24% faster and scored 26 percent better overall than their non-player colleagues oh I believe that that's incredible well like that you should be required in medical school to play video games don't you think if somebody's like top a top-ranked video game player and they say they're a surgeon I'd be like plus plus one plus two type of thing oh top rank for sure but this isn't even top ranked this is just people who play well your manual dexterity has to be extremely high.
Yes. So you're looking at things on a screen.
You're reacting, and sometimes you've got like 10 milliseconds to react. Yes.
And so if somebody's got incredible reaction times in manual dexterity, they're obviously going to be a good surgeon. Imagine if there was a course that you could take.
That course would promote. You would be 26% better.
Yeah. Everyone would have to take that course.
Sure. Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say, hey, Bob, did you take this course? You didn't take this course.
Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better? Sure. You would have to take it.
Everyone should have to play video games. Yeah.
Do you want to be a surgeon? Well, I think it certainly would be a very good test to see if somebody can't play video games well. That means – because you've got to move both hands simultaneously.
Right. You've got to react to something very fast than on the screen.
And if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose the game. Right.
So if somebody has a good rank in video games, I would say that their manual – necessarily their manual dexterity must be extremely good. Well, it's so hard.
The fine motor skills have to be excellent. If you think about StarCraft or any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being.
There has to be something exceptional about you. Yeah.
Actually, if I mention Quake, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players. I know we talked about this.
Yeah, yeah. I loved Quake.
Yeah, yeah. My final semester in college, I probably put more time to Quake than all my college classes.
When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds. They were very, very fun guys.
And they had a LAN set up at the studio where they all played Quake. I had never played video games.

And I would go in with the writers and just kind of hang out with them.

We'd get silly.

And then we would all start playing video games and playing Quake against each other.

And I got addicted, like hardcore.

I got a T1 line installed in my house.

I went hardcore.

Yeah, exactly.

You're checking how many milliseconds of latency you have. Oh, yeah.

I was fully addicted.

I was making my own computers.

I was going to Fry's hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together and you know it was too much of a time suck though i'm an obsessive person i can't get involved like i can't play golf no it's too golf is too slow for me i mean a lot of people find golf good and i mean i guess if you think of it like it's i guess if you're saying're going to walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, and it's an outdoor walk, then that's cool. And it does require concentration when you're hitting the ball, but it's too slow for me.
Nothing compares to video games in terms of the amount of feedback you get. Like the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large

high resolution screen you have a fast computer you have headphones on that you're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you and rockets are flying by you and it's there's nothing like that yeah but i think golf still is like jamie will tell you jamie's an addict he's a golf nut it's super addictive. And it takes like eight hours a day.
Yes. Once you get into golf, I think, I guess any sport, it gets super addictive.
But for me, the intensity of video games is hard to beat. Yes.
And people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time. But we're showing like real world benefits of people playing video games.
Yeah. If you want to be a drone operator, it's the only game in town.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you have to be really good at video games.
Yeah, for sure. So in fact, I can actually tell like what my mental acuity is if I just play – if I play a very hard video game.
So if I'm trying to sort trying to get an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that or a first person shooter, whatever the case may be, if I can tell that I'm tired or my brain's not working as well as it should, it's like a mental calibration. You can tell immediately how good is your mental state.
Right, right. And, you know, so it's like if you're trying to play really well, if you play late at night and you're tired, you just play badly.
Right. And you can say, okay, you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't.
Yeah. Because you play the video game and you're like, you suck.
So, okay. Yeah, you're putting it under stress.
Yeah. You're really stress testing it.
You stress test it. Yeah.
Because sometimes it's like, oh, I think I'm fine. But then you play the game, like, okay, I'm not.
I'm like 10% below what I should be. That's how I feel about workouts, for sure.
Like, that's how I knew I had COVID. Or I knew everyone in my family had COVID.
You felt weaker. And I was trying to not get COVID.
And so I was working out, I was like, something's up. Like I felt fine normally, but then during exercise I was like, okay, I can tell there's something wrong here.
So let's back off, relax. Yeah.
It's like people who don't stress test their mind, they think they're operating on the same level all the time. Like sometimes I come in here and I can't form a fucking sentence.
And I don't know what it is. It's like, what is going on? So it's just like.
Like sleep wasn't that good or something like that. Yeah, something like that.
Or I'm too busy. And it's just, it's not, the words aren't coming out.
Like I know how to talk. I talk professionally and I can't fucking talk.
It's like. I mean, sleep is massive.
Huge. Yeah.
So if I can to leap, did I get a good night's sleep or not? If I just play like... This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter.
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Yeah. I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that good because it's my, you know, and sometimes your brain will recover through the day and it's like, okay, like an hour or two after waking up, it's better.
Yeah. Because your brain does kind of recover from bad night's sleep a little bit.
Do you know what really helps? Creatine, apparently. Does it? Yeah.
Creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not. There's a lot of benefits to creatine that are really weird.
Are there any downsides? No. No.
It's a natural part of food. Yeah.
Yeah. Especially women.
For women, apparently, especially post-menopausal women, it's very beneficial. Okay.
But there's a lot of like cognitive benefits and one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep deprived mental performance when sleep deprived increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine it's creating naturally occurring in like steak or yeah it's like naturally occurring in meat I think I think that's where it's coming from i think it's a primarily an animal based thing yeah but like i did switch to like steak and eggs for breakfast and i found that's like a power up oh yeah yeah yeah well we're all overrun with carbohydrates yeah yeah totally and you like carbohydrates make this big crash the rise and the crash the rise and the crash you stay flat if you eat like a

primarily high protein high fat diet yeah your body runs off ketosis yeah I mean I just have like steak and eggs no bread or yeah and it's great actually it's a power-up I'd say people dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming. It's rubbish.
It's not true. Bullshit.
It's hot bullshit. It doesn't matter.
Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon.
The animals are not going to make any difference to global warming. None.
No, it's horseshit. Zero, zero, nothing.
Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in plant-based meat products and things along those lines, green energy? I think that's part of it. You're generally going to get people pushing to avoid meat.
Some people just, you know, maybe they've got a financial

interest. Maybe they're just like vegetarians or vegans or whatever.

Ideological interests.

Ideological reasons. But it's not going to make any difference to global warming or,

you know, the CO2 concentration atmosphere, really, if people eat fewer steaks. It doesn't

matter. It's irrelevant.
Irrelevant. I want to just be super clear about that.

Yeah.

Will not matter. You will not even be able to measure it.
That's how irrelevant it is. Isn't it funny that that's heretic speaking? That's crazy talk now.
Nowadays, it's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat, that meat is bad. You can totally eat as much as you want.
It's not going to make a difference. Sing it.
Sing it. Tell the world.
Yeah, absolutely. And if somebody says it does make difference I'm like, how will you measure it? And if you can't even measure it then this bullshit.
Yeah, yeah Literally won't be able to measure it. Well, there's so much bullshit out today.
First of all Yeah, it's bullshit in all directions. Thank you so much for buying Twitter.
Thank you so much. I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history.
I really do. I really think you made a fork in the road.
We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control.

What they were doing with social media by suppressing information and when you had a combined government effort, like what they were doing with the laptop story. We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation, take it offline, and Twitter complied.
If you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea.
Exactly. No, it's, I mean, the reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned since I was like the most interacted with a user on Twitter before the acquisition.
So before the acquisition, I had more interactions than, like there's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower accounts, but I had the most number of interactions of any account in the system. So I was very attuned to like, if they change the system, I can tell immediately.
And I'm like, something weird is going on here. There's like, I just got increasingly uneasy.
And obviously when they de-platformed the sitting president, de-platformed Trump, that was just insane. And the things he was posting, he was posting good things.
He was saying like, hey, do not riot. Don't do any destruction of property.
Please stay calm. That's the kind of stuff he was posting.
Yeah. And you're like, what's wrong with that? And then some people said like, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle.
He means the opposite. I'm like, okay, so we'll give you Trump's account.
Now you post what you think you should post because he can post nothing. He can ask people to calm down.
Like what? It was insane. Like it didn't make any sense.
Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent. Yes.
Crazy. That's crazy.
Don't you think they'll listen to him? Yeah. Isn't that the whole point? They listened to him and created violence in the first place? That's what you think.
Yes, exactly. That's what you're accusing him of.
Right. And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal shit.
Yes. We know that for a fact.
This is not – that was always the big Alex Jones type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests. I believe we're in Seattle in the 90s.
and they sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a sudden a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful.
They move in the cops. They shut everything down.
They had it set up where it was a no protest zone, where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it. They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work.
So you couldn't protest.

You couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights.

You couldn't even, like, have a peaceful protest,

a fucking sticker on your car.

You couldn't have that.

It's crazy.

It is crazy.

So, no, I think we're very much at a fork in the road in destiny.

And, you know, so, I mean, the reason I did the Twitter acquisition was like, it's like, man, if I don't do this, I think we're screwed is the issue. Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was going to do it because it wasn't a financial winner.
It was kind of a crazy move. It's a crazy move.
I mean, the thing was way overpriced. And, you know, like long term, I think we can ultimately make it a win for investors.

But, boy, this is a hard way to make a living.

Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it.

There's a concerted effort with the advertisers.

Well, we had a – I still have a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left-wing NGOs.

Like, you know, and you always want – and I should have brought my, I have a hat, make all well fiction again. I've seen that hat.
Yeah, I should have brought, I was going to wear my, I should have brought my make all well fiction hat again. But, yeah, I mean, it's just totally, totally nuts.
So. If you didn't do it, no one would have.
And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots Elon's a bad businessman Twitter is worth, you know 400% less than when he bought it. No, it wasn't worth that in the first place It wasn't worth them the first place it wasn't worth 44 billion dollars you fucking morons like wrong And also you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott exactly that's total bullshit.
exactly so there are these organizations like you can tell there's like they're like like when they have an orwellian name so like that like the center for countering digital hate right is a total scam organization you know because they're like the ministry of truth in orwell um you know uh they're they're, they're a censorship organization. Yeah.
And they pushed the advertisers to boycott. So we still have, like, some of the boycott is starting to lift.
And I think if Trump wins, we'll see, you know, probably most of the boycott lift. But if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger.
And they'll frigging shut down. There's no way that the Kamala puppet regime would allow X to exist.
You really think that they'll be able to shut it down, though? Is there a pathway to that? Yes. What would they do? Well, I mean, they can stick the DOJ on, you know, and say like, you know, they've had this whole thing about like hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're the ones pushing the misinformation.
But that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, like the DOJ has, you know, been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the U.S.
So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is just an example of what DOJ can do.
So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen? SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology. So it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States.
So like if North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes in America. Right.
That would be bad. Yeah.
That would be really bad. That would be really bad.
But so since we are in like the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, under US ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. Because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're going to return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them.
So it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a they can have a green card or be a citizen. They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States.
Then there's another law that says if you discriminate against asylum seekers that's also, you're also breaking the law. So they just the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year.
Launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers. And we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident.
So we're in this, like, this is what I mean. It's like Orwell, the Orwell situation is getting insane.
Like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. So you're damned.
Can you imagine history looking back at when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket, and you realize, like, this is, like, one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace. Like, it is one of the wildest accomplishments.
When you watch that thing come and you see all these people cheering and it catches it perfectly, like, holy shit. Imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company.
Yeah. How insane it is.
There was a big lawsuit with an army of lawyers. This was not some minor thing.
But it doesn't make any sense. Like, how could it even get brought to court if it's illegal? Exactly.
So that's what I mean. Like, basically, if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason.
You know, it's like that famous quote from Beria. You know, like, so, like, Stalin's, like, chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police, and he's, like, chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy Beria, one of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
Right. They decide that you're the target and then they figure out the crime afterwards.
That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target.
They just figured out the crime afterwards. Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office.
They're doing all the things that they accused Trump of doing. Yeah.
Openly. Openly.
Yeah. I mean, the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again.
And it's like, look, I understand politicians are going to exaggerate. They're going to misspeak.
And they'll tell occasional untruths, whatever. That's how it is in politics.
But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second. Like, come on, man.
This is too far. And you're supposed to be the good guys.
You're supposed to. And you claim to be the good guys? I'm like, exactly.
You're supposed to be the progressives. Yes.
The Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys. We're the honest people.
No, no. Hang on.
You can't claim to be the good guys. You can't claim to be the honest people.
If you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly. Yeah.
Like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bog there's a bogus Yeah, like the fine people Obama just said that on stage just said that I was like what the flying fuck he doesn't give a fuck He doesn't give a fuck. They're just they're just going goddamn fucking lie flat-out lie Flat-out fucking the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women and from illegal immigrants Thank you.
Remember that? Yeah. What what he was saying is that women like it or not.
I'm gonna do it Yeah When he was saying that they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose Yeah, the women like it or not like that's not what he was saying absolutely He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border Yes, exactly They'll take like like not even like not even a full sentence, like a half a sentence from Trump. Yes.
And then, and then they'll push it on, on every ad, every, you know, every speaking event, every media. And it gets repeated on the news.
Yes. This is what's crazy.
They'll talk about it on these new shows, quote new shows. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, um, I mean a recent one that, that came up, um, which had a lot of people, because a lot of people reached out to me, was like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter bullshit.
It's not what he said at all. It's not what he said at all.
All he said was like, what he's saying is that, look, if Liz Cheney actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war. Exactly.
Like it's easy to go to war. It's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to risk dying at the front lines.
Like basically it's fucked up if people are having like fancy dinners in Washington, D.C. while people are being slaughtered in trenches.
It's like you's like you're not feeling the pain. You're not taking the risk.
It's someone else dying. Exactly.
That's like, that's cruel and lacking in empathy. And all Trump was saying was that it's like Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, if she actually had to go to the front lines and fight herself.
And meanwhile, they're saying that he should, he's saying she should be shot. Yes, which is a total lie.
But I had like tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Trane in a firing squad. I'm like, that is an outrageous lie.
And legacy media ran with that lie big time.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's just wild to see.

And if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff.

I think it would be very difficult for you.

I think YouTube throttled.

They did something weird.

They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did.

Yeah.

Where you couldn't find it.

It doesn't make sense.

It made no sense. I mean, it was like the biggest interview on earth.
Yeah. And you couldn't find it.
It doesn't make sense. Made no sense.
I mean, it's like the biggest interview on Earth.

And you can't find it? Yeah.

Not only that, it wasn't trending. Bull

shit. It wasn't trending.
It wasn't

trending. No.
It wasn't trending.

You're like...

Like, there's just no excuse

for that, man. No excuse.
There's no excuse.

It was getting a million views. One point...

What was it? 1.4 an hour at one point in time? 1. hour yeah and it wasn't trending yeah like and it's like it's like your channel is a known channel it's not it's not like it was started yesterday it's like yeah it's like this is a high trust yours is a high trust channel it's like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins so well thank god we put it on X as well.
Because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70 million views. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you.
And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now. Yeah, that's true.
They banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians.

They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines.

They would have done that everywhere.

And it probably would have, I think, even what's going on at Facebook, they're being more lenient.

You know, you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance.

That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark. Exactly.
So as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful, to not censor. Because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious.
Yes. Yes.
And, you know, the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if somebody if there's a hoax is just go to the source material. You know, if you think if somebody thinks, you know, you know, Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad.
I'm like, let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video. That's the best way.
Don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it.
Go to the source material. And Community Notes.
Yes, and Community Notes is awesome. Community Notes is the best.
It's awesome. It's incredible because everybody gets checked.
Yes, including me. Yeah.
And with Community Notes, all the software is open source and all the data is open source. So you can recreate any given note independently.
That's amazing. Yeah.
That's how it should be. It's total, absolute transparency in every way.
You know, sometimes I get asked, like, oh, can you remove a note? You know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right. I'm like, I don't even remove notes on my own account, nothing.
And by the way, everything is totally open. So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately.
Like it's not going to be subtle. That is the best counter to misinformation.
Yes, absolutely. Like let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say.
Yes, exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information.
Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.
Yes. And like I said, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it.
Look at the source material. So it's like, look at what someone actually said.
Look at what someone actually did. Look at the real videos of the situation.
And then you can actually, you'll know what's real. So as of today, when you were literally on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail.
Yeah. Tell me what the fuck is happening.
Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. So we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania.
So, you know, I've given a whole bunch of talks throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election.
So I've been giving talks. I spent three years in Pennsylvania.
I went to college in Philadelphia.

So it's not like I'm a total stranger to the state. I spent three years there.
And we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good thing. and and specifically asking people to uh and and we wanted this to be like um registered voters in swing states like basically we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the constitution because there have been all these attacks on the constitution they've been especially on the democrat side they've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle.
And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment.
Like freedom of speech, the reason the founders of the country put the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists.
And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech.
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I'm like, then we need to keep our guns because that's what's going to stop it. That sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that, but that's the reality of the world that we live in is that tyranny is possible, and it exists other places, and it's slowly existing.
It's slowly rearing its head in the UK. You're seeing, I think, the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas.
It's in the thousands. Yes.
Several thousand people have been given prison sentences in the UK for social media posts where there was no explicit link to actual violence, but they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post uh well no but they're just and and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the uk so they're quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for facebook posts there's an actual thing happening in britain that is so wild like it's you're like it's so wild that people can't see what the fuck you know is going on and what's insane to me.
That is so wild. Like it's, you're like, what the fuck, you know, is going on? And what's insane to me is that...
Make Orwell fiction again. Yeah.
You know? But it's all being encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson.
John Kerry. John Kerry was one of the people who said that, he's on camera like a few weeks ago saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.
Yeah. That's crazy.
That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. Yes.
You have a solution in something. That could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two.
And even without a community note, you can reply to a post with evidence that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes.
I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note. But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.
The argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things. They're going to be a victim of misinformation.
So they're going to read something that's incorrect. They're going to run with it.
People are going to die. We're going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation.
It's a stupid argument. It's a stupid argument.
Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that? Exactly.
And obviously anyone on the X system knows that things are posted and then there are replies and there are rebuttals and it's immediately corrected. But where are the corrections for the legacy media? You know, when if, you know, some broadcast media, they say false things all the time.
But it's a one way street. There's no rebuttal.
There's no counter. Right.
Right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what? Did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID? The virus stops with you? No, never.
Never. No one ever – it was not true at the time.
There was no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda.
And she said it. The Russiagate hoax.
Exactly. For three fucking years, they said that he was Putin's toy and that Putin had him compromised.
The Steele dossier. The Steele dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer at Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign.
Literally. Crazy.
And still people think the Russia hoax is real. And there's no repercussions.
There's no one how to apologize. Hillary Clinton never came out and apologized for that.
And people still listen to her. The whole thing is crazy.
And it's all coming from the

left, which growing up as a

person who was in the left my whole life, it doesn't

make any fucking sense. Same.
I mean,

I even,

I was on the left until like

three years ago.

I mean,

you know. It's not the left anymore.

It's not the left anymore. It's just like, I think

we obviously want,

I mean, I believe like we want

freedom. Like we want

Thank you. It's not the left anymore.
It's not the left anymore. It's just like I think we obviously want – I mean I believe like we want freedom.
Like we want to maximize personal liberty. I think we want to be kind to people.
We want to have empathy. But it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit-based society.
And the left wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech. And they want to have a non-merit-based society with race-based and sex-based preferences.
And it's like, well, wait a second. No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.
And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people. And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do.
And they want to silence opposition. That's all it is.
And the fact that people can't see that and they want to call Trump a fascist, the whole thing is through the looking glass. I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're perpetrating against Trump.
I mean, like, they try to call the rally at Madison Square Garden like a Nazi rally. I'm like, yo, there was, like, literally an Israeli flag in the audience.
I think, like, a quarter of the speakers were Jewish. Like, there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that rally.
Like, tell me what about that is Nazi? And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally. Well, MSNBC, they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from the 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally, ignoring the fact that fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there.
There have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Garden, dozens on the Democrat side. And people on X were like, and here's exactly, here's Jimmy Carter and here's Bill Clinton.
And here's, wait a second. Actually, it looks like every presidential candidate has done a, on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Gardens.
Are they Nazis too? But what they're doing is they're preying on low information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything. Exactly.
Yeah. Like, if people are just looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument.
Yes. And the actual evidence.
Well, what was the pushback? Like, what happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse. Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual.
Yeah, all the time. They did the same thing to Facebook.
They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They suppressed the views by 50%.
Yeah. Factual information.
Yeah, no, there was massive government interference in Twitter. But, like, Twitter welcomed it.
That's important. All Twitter welcomed it.
I mean, all Twitter was controlled by far-left activists. And they welcomed the government interference.
They got paid by the government for it. That's crazy.
They got paid for their time, correct? Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information. So it's like built time? And a bunch of it was like flat-outbi had this like this this sort of magic portal into the twitter system uh and and the but all of the communication in that sort of in this portal was auto deleted after two weeks which breaks federal FOIA laws so we don't even know what was said because it was all deleted after two weeks that's insane yeah that's so crazy it's so crazy that people thought that was okay.
It's super not okay.

No, it's super not okay.

It's unconstitutional, and no one would want that.

No one would want the government to have that kind of access.

Exactly.

And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released?

Like, you had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you released that.

Like, what happened? Well, we got a lot lot of we did lose a lot of advertising dollars um and um which is crazy because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption yes i mean this is the weird thing it's like the left used to be uh big big on exposing exposing government corruption. But once they control the government, they no longer want to expose the government corruption.
Right. They want to pretend that the left-wing government is incapable of corruption because we're on the good side.
I think it may be just like whoever is in power kind of doesn't want the other side hurt. because as you pointed out like the left historically up until i don't know maybe even 10 years ago or something like that um was the free speech party and now it's the anti-free speech party and they just they use they use words like like oh well we have to be against hate speech and misinformation dis disinformation.
But these are propaganda words. You know, it's like, well, who's defining hate speech? Who's defining misinformation? The government.
Do you really trust the government to make that definition? The whole point of the First Amendment is like, do not trust the government. Especially when they're wrong.
Yes. And there's no repercussions.
Yes.cussions yeah like with the whole lab leak theory if you could you would get kicked off of youtube if you even presented this argument that hey maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released yep hey maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started what do you you think, guys? Yeah. They kick you right off of YouTube.
Yeah. Yes, exactly.
It's like, do you think maybe it could have come from a place called the Novel Coronavirus Research Institute of Blu-Han? Yeah, like that Jon Stewart bit that he did on Colbert. That was amazing.
It's like, what does it say on the door again? Can I see your business card? And to see Colbert resisting it with every fiber of his being. Yeah, but like, what's going to happen to us? He was totally cock blocking the bit to the point where Jon Stewart got off his chair and started walking around trying to take control.
Yeah. Good on Jon.
And then the left tried to cancel Jon Stewart. Of course.
Yeah. Meanwhile, he was right.
He's right. And no apologies.
No apologies. Yeah.
And

you know, the whole Fauci thing.

Any criticism of Fauci.

It's like anti-science. Fauci's a freaking demon, if you

ask me. If you read RFK's

book, if the real Anthony Fauci,

if that's correct, if the facts

are in there that's true, it's all referenced,

you could find the sources, and on top of it,

he's never been sued for that book.

Which doesn't make any sense. If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued.
Yes. So the guy's a monster.
I think so. Yeah, I think so too.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I think like just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain of function research to Rand Paul.
I think maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the bioweapons research that was going on in Wuhan. And he bank shotted it off.
Like, he can't send the money directly to China. So he just bank shotted it off EcoHealth.
Right. There's this, like, fake nonprofit in the US.
And they sent it to Wuhan. And Obama put the skids on that.
He stopped that in 2014. Yes.
I mean, so, you know, to give Obama some credit, he actually was like looking at this and say, hey, this is crazy. And so he actually did stop the so-called gain of function, again, a propaganda word.
Because what is the function they're talking about? Death. Right.
Right. Right.
So if you actually use the right word, this is gain of function is death maximization. Right.
Then you're like, oh, hey guys, should we fund bioweapon research into death maximization? Because that's what gain of function means. Yeah, it means making a disease so that people can get it.
Give it to people and by the way what's that function again oh the function is death okay so just call it a death maximizing virus if you that's doing research on that and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things how come you don't have a fucking cure start with a start with a cure cure first disease second it doesn't make sense. Like you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out.

And so you have to like make up this new vaccine in like record time.

Operation warp speed.

Release it to the people with very little testing.

It's fucking crazy.

It was crazy.

The whole thing's crazy.

And everybody just went along with it.

Looney Tunes, next level.

Well, the psyop was fascinating to watch people step in line. That's like one of the biggest PSYOPs of all time.
Of all time. Of all time.
Of all time. And everybody got in line.
And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 1990s, that changed everything. We're one of two countries in the whole world that allows this.
And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam. And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched, all sorts of things that are not supported by data.
Like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children. All of it's bullshit.
Yes. And they pushed it it on the whole world and if you didn't say that at a cocktail party you were a pariah yes and you were an anti-vaxxer it was totally psycho it was like being a holocaust denier you get kicked out of polite society exactly bananas and i should say like i'm actually generally pro-vaccine overall you know i think we should look at these things that that these things.
But I believe in the scientific method. So you never blanket except anything.
You never blanket except that any given medication or any given treatment is 100% good. You should always be with some skepticism.
Especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have a long history of criminal conduct. Yes.
They've got a vested interest in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about whether smoking is dangerous.
It's exactly the same thing. I'm like, oh, according to our scientists, everything's fine.
Yeah, they lied in court forever. The same thing they do with OxyContin when they said that it wasn't addictive.
Like they have a long history of being full of shit if it makes them money. And that's what they do.
That's their business. They've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits.
Massive. Massive.
You have amazing scientists, right? You have these clinical researchers, these people that develop these incredible drugs, and this is their job. Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop things.
And then you have the money people. And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people.
And then they have this other faction that they're just numbers people. And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits and making sure they literally have an obligation to their shareholders.
They have to make the most amount of money possible. And so they just want to push it on everybody.
Like the Vioxx scandal. There's internal emails showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular events.
People were going to get strokes. And they're like, I think we're still going to do well.
And they did. They made like $12 billion.
They got fined seven. And 50,000 to 60, 50 to 60 000 people died holy shit yeah one of them was a friend of mine got a stroke and died yeah no he didn't die he lived but he was a really healthy guy he was an athlete he was like not the same after yeah he had knee problems and he took vioxx and all of a sudden he was slurring his words and he couldn't concentrate and people like i think you're having a fucking stroke and they took him to the hospital and then you have this giant class action lawsuit and then Vioxx gets pulled from the market and they get sued and the whole thing's fucking crazy.
But there's a long history of this. I think, what is the number? Like one third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled? It's fucking bananas.
That's crazy. That's crazy.
You're shitty at one third of the the things that you say are okay But yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans Yeah, they should let MDMA through honestly that think they're actually help a lot of people It would help a lot of people have a lot of people there's a lot of different therapies specifically psilocybin ibogaine the fact you have to go to Mexico to get ibogaine therapy for veterans so many guys i've talked to have gone over there and it's like completely giving them a clean slate refresh their mind and totally new perspective on life alleviated depression cured addictions illegal yeah illegal oxycontin go get it yeah um and i know some people who like their life was ruined by oxycontin

oh yeah because uh i mean it really depends on on you know somebody in individual biochemistry

um like to me like like um opioids are not addictive to me like i you know i've had them

when i've had operations or something and uh they they they're they barely affect my pain level and

they make me like itchy and uncomfortable they make me stupid exactly but but i'm like

I'm like – so like I could never get addicted to alcohol or opioids. It's just impossible.
Like because my biochemistry just does not have – but I love tasty food. I feel like, you know, if there's – I'm addicted to tasty food, sure.
But like there's, like, I have a whole wall of alcohol that's there for decoration. I feel the same way.
I could easily quit alcohol. I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink.
It doesn't bother me at all. But I know some people, they have one drink and they're off to the races.
And that's the difference in the biochemical differences that we all have. Yeah.
I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions. I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it.
I see it. I've seen it in people.
But I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life. That's why I've never tried cocaine.
I just saw too many people. It looks too fun.
I'm like, I don't want to get involved. Yeah.
I mean, I think generally for any given drug, legal or illegal, the question is, can you complete the following sentence? Blank made me a better person. Meth.
Like I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person ever. Made a lot of soldiers better, I think.
Yeah. I mean, if you're doing – if if you're like if your soldiers need to march for three days in a row yeah it does it's really good effective at that you know um yeah people give like france a hard time about you know capitulating in world war ii but but you know what's what's worse than the nazis nazis on meth they not stopping.
Norman Ohler wrote this book. They'll have like six bullets.
They're still coming. That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers.
The guys at the front of the line, they gave the most meth. They have different dosages.
Yeah. You just basically think you're vulnerable on're vulnerable on meth.
And so it's one thing, like I said, so one thing we have like the Nazis come after you, but Nazis on meth, you're like, holy shit, those fuckers are not stopping me. For three days.
They're not stopping. It's so crazy.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's not a statement, meth made me a better person, that you hear very often. I've never heard that before.
No, you hear a lot of, like, psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics.
Exactly. I've actually heard many people say that LSD or mushrooms or MDMA made them a better person.
Yeah. Many people.
Yeah. So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey, look, if you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that blank made you a better person, actually, then you got a good drug.
And if you can't, you got a bad drug. Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives but also can help a lot of people's's lives It doesn't make any sense right you're you're you're it's basically the same thing as censorship You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true And you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible exactly so to do research and actually to have Unbiased actual objective observers observers who are looking at all this stuff, they give you real data.
And the opposite of that or the counter is like if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels. That's the whole reason why they have all that money.
It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America. The demand is never going away.
So instead of like limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs because fentanyl and all this other shit because they're not pure. So you're just killing people.
You're not saving anybody by protecting them from themselves. But it's a tricky situation because what do you do? Like if you just like say, okay, now everyone can sell all these people that have been selling boner pills now you can sell meth like holy shit you get you get the the double combo with the viagra it's a viagra and a myth right jesus christ oh my god oh my god well i mean how many people already doing that right now with Adderall and Viagra? A bunch of people are doing that.
Yeah.

There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth, especially people that abuse Adderall.

Yeah.

They're basically amphetamined up all day long.

Yeah.

Adderall is low-grade amphetamine.

Yeah.

So, I have actually seen people become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like much worse.

It's like an anger amplifier.

Yes.

Now, I'm not saying – like Adderall is something like where there are pluses and minuses.

It's not a clear-cut issue.

It does help some people a great deal.

But in higher doses, man, that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on high doses of Adderall. They're just angry, like extremely angry all the time.
Yeah. They're methed up.
Yeah. That's what happens if you take meth.
It's crazy. Meth turns you into a frigging rage demon.
And so many prescriptions. And I'm like, Jesus.
We Googled it. Like like one year there was like 39 million prescriptions for adderall in this country oh yeah yeah like once in a while there's like an adderall shortage and like there's like watch widespread panic you know and then it's the same thing it's like when they tried to like limit the amount of oxycontin well people go to street heroin and if you're addicted to addderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed, it's like, hey, man, I can get you like low-grade meth, like the stuff the Nazis took.

Well, they had I-grade meth.

Actually, they had pharmaceutical grade.

They had epic meth.

It was like made by the – like pharmaceutical-grade meth is going to be – like this.

I mean just look at the freaking online Wikipedia page. But there's like many different versions of meth, like not all the same.
And they have different effects. So, but like pharmaceutical grade pure meth, you are going to be, oh my God, super productive.
Super productive for a certain period of time. And you're not going to sleep for a while.
And then you'll have some anger management issues. So like they actually, the Nazis, they did actually roll back how much meth they were using because they had quite a few incidents of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth.
Jesus Christ. Yeah.
Too many officers got fragged by their platoon that was on too much meth because that happened quite a few times. Like you just, when someone's on a lot of meth they're there they're they're very they can get very angry did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking meth in a lab in his backyard I McAfee's quite a character he was a character character we had him on the podcast when he was on the run so he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from where was he costa rica is that where he was belize belize right so when he was running from the authorities yeah he called in we had him on the podcast on the run and uh i was asking him about these posts like because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory like super sophisticated yeah the best math like a super

genius cook and math i mean i think he like you had like he had this lab like he was making like a wide range of drugs uh and there was i i talked to uh actually like a a reporter um who who went down and like uh interviewed him in val And the reporter said, man, that's one of the scariest things. He was quite terrified.
So one of the things that McAfee, he had, I guess, this trick where he would play Russian roulette with himself. So he'd put a bullet in the revolver and they'd spin the chamber.

And clearly he had like some trick to know that it was not – there's some way that he knows it's not the right bullet. But I do wonder like if McAfee is high and he does that, he's not always going to get the trick right.
Do you show he had a trick? Yeah, so according to this reporter, when he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed it at his head and went click. And the reporter's like saying, please don't do this.
Like, this is insane. Click, click, click, and then pointed the gun at the ground.
And next went click, bang, and shot a bullet in the ground that's a hell of a potty

trick that's the guy who's seen the deer hunter too many times remember that scene when they were forcing yes yeah that's a heavy scene that's a heavy scene De Niro and Christopher Walken that's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants. McAfee was a wild boy.
Wild. And created brilliant antivirus software.
Yeah. Yeah.
He may have made some of the viruses too. You think so? It's possible.
Well, didn't he give laptops to a bunch of government organizations? With viruses on them, yeah. Yeah.
So that he could pay attention to what they were doing? Yeah I I wouldn't be surprised somebody whacked that guy I don't know what happened to him but I he would be a guy that would be like this guy is a little bit too loose and probably had sensitive information I don't know for sure he did I mean I found out to be an interesting guy I mean like I'm generally like feel like if somebody is not harming someone else, they should be okay. Now, there is some suggestion that McAfee like killed his neighbor in Belize.
Yeah. Probably did.
Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag. I think he probably did.
Seems like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor killed his dog.
Yes. Right? And then it seems like he killed the neighbor.
allegedly yeah i mean it seems it seems likely it's not a zero possibility it's not definitely not zero it's more likely than not he's a messed up wild man playing russian roulette hey maybe you kill your fucking neighbor yes i mean if somebody killed your dog you'd be really inclined to kill them too yeah somebody killed your squirrel yeah john wick. The fucking squirrel thing is bananas.
Yeah. That squirrel thing in New York.
The squirrel thing – so the other thing about the whole squirrel thing is that how can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the government can barge into your home with guns. So if you resist, you're going to get shot.
And then take your pets and execute them. And if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you? It's not an exaggeration.
Absolutely. It sounds like you're, oh, that's so crazy.
How can you make that connection? But why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby? If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful. It was really cute.
Yes, absolutely. It was just obviously a beloved pet squirrel and a raccoon too.
and doing no harm. And the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets and kills them.
And, you know, I think this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because, you know, you see that like the John Wick movie where John Wick's like you know he wants to

he just wants peace like you know

in the John Wick movie he's like listen I want to retire

and they offer him like tons of money

like because they want him to be an assassin

to keep being an assassin

they like offer him tons of money

they threaten him he's like listen I'm not going to be

I'm out you know

and they kill his dog

that was a bad idea

that was a really. They kill that cute little puppy.
And the puppy was his ex-wife's gift to him when she died of cancer. Yeah.
Great movie. Great movie.
The best revenge movie of all time. Because it's so ridiculous.
He kills everybody. He kills everyone.
And you're rooting for him. Yeah.
They shouldn't have killed his dog. Yeah, they fucked up.
And they shouldn't have killed that squirrel. They shouldn't have killed that fucking...
That squirrel, I mean, it's like, how many cases have we not heard about? You know? Oh, look at that little guy. And that squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy.
He hop all over him and climb on him i mean it was that was his pet that squirrel thought of that man as his protector as his his companion yes there was nothing wrong with that and in texas it's totally legal you can have a fucking zebra out here you can have whatever whatever you want. And that's the argument for freedom.

And, you know, the flip side is you get a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard, which is not great.

It's like this was a fucking squirrel. It's not it's not an anaconda or a right or, you know, you know, crocodile or something.

Or a chimpanzee. Did you see chimp crazy?

Oh, man, chimps, chimps, chimps will eat your face.

They will fuck you up. They will fuck you up.
The thing don't even, the thing is they don't even kill you. They just cripple you.
Chimps don't even kill people. Yeah.
Which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart.
Yes. They want to leave you.
They could kill you easily. If a chimp wanted to just punch you in the head until you're dead, it wouldn't take long, but they don't kill you.
They just rip you apart.

Yeah.

And you can have a chimp.

Well, you used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states, and then Chimp Crazy kind of exposed a lot of that,

and PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets.

Because once they hit, like, five, you can't control them anymore.

Well, it's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got, you know,

a creature that is dangerous to others.

But, like, obviously a squirrel and a raccoon are not.

Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere.

That's what's so crazy. Why can't you have it in the house? What kind of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere.
Yeah. I mean, they're allowing criminals to go free and violent criminals to go free.
But they're spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets? What the hell is going on?

Exactly.

But it's overreach.

It's government overreach, and this just keeps getting worse every year.

And that's why

we've got to

fight back against this.

People say, well, it's just a squirrel. Well, it was, you know, in John Wick's case, it's just a squirrel was it was you know in John works case was just a dog, right? Yeah, you know remember the Russian guy said it's a fucking dog.
It's just a fucking dog. There's a squirrel.
Yeah What's the funniest thing is when so It's just I just don't understand how anybody could justify it. I don't understand how anybody...
It seems to me that in a logical world, all that guy would have to do is say, why don't you see me with this squirrel? This squirrel's a pet. Yeah.
Like, look, he hops on me. He eats.
He sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but I can't keep a squirrel.
I can have a guinea pig. I can't have a squirrel.
I can have a chinchilla. My daughter has a chinchilla.
It's adorable adorable little thing climbs all over Can't have a squirrel. Even if they if they did take a squirrel away couldn't they have released it into the woods or something? Well, it's a bit the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed It doesn't know how to forage.
It won't be able to like find a home Brutal squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other They throw each other out out of trees which is one of the reasons why squirrels like can fall from like 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live it's like it's a natural adaptation because squirrels during mating they bite each other they used to be like a rumor there was a myth that squirrels bite each other's nuts off and okay that that seems to be a myth but it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating so like one female is just running away i have squirrels in my backyard i watch it all the time one female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her so they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees literally throwing each other off trees to try to like so if this poor little peanut the squirrel who's used to living with a guy in an apartment like gets out there in the wild world well fair enough but at least they have a chance yeah at least he has a chance but how about just leave him with the guy yeah leave him with the guy for sure what the fuck is wrong with you why are you killing that squirrel it doesn't make any sense yeah and then add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were actually posting that they're glad that this mega squirrel got killed. Mega squirrel.
The fucking squirrel has an ideology. It's a cute little fluffy squirrel.
Exactly. Well, it's a nice symbol because most reasonable, compassionate people think that's terrible.
And most people who have pets think it's terrible. So I don't know.
I mean, I'm like, I hope people just go out there and vote for Peanut, man. If nothing else, just vote for Peanut.
They've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster. They've taken the worst things that he's ever said.
And he's not a perfect person. But guess what? No one's a perfect person.
They don't exist. This purity test, like if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage.
You know, very fine people hoax. Exactly.
No one's going to be a perfect person. But the thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him, like, he can't be president, like, remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent? There's one thing that I am that you'll never be.
President of the United States. You see Trump in the audience going, okay, motherfucker.
You know, the funny thing is I was actually at that White House correspondence dinner where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president. Right.
Trump's there. He's there.
He's actually supporting. You know, basically, if you go to the White House Correspondents' Dinner, you're there in support, actually, of the president and support of the press.
Right. And it's meant to be that you're roasting the president.
Like, Trump's just there. He's, like, actually, you know, just he's, like, there as part of the support and then that they turned it around and just started roasting Trump and he's just sitting there I'm like he's like yo I just came to the dinner I wasn't I'm just here to support you know what it was because of right the birther stuff oh okay that's what it all was it was all Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged, that he's actually from Kenya.
And what's weird is, if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya. Like, I think it is something from college that he was from Kenya.
But you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya.
But Trump was one of those guys that was, like, spreading that supposedly false rumor. Was he pushing it hard? This is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying, what did he actually say? No, he definitely was.
He was definitely saying, you know, look, he, I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply. And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Green type people come to him with some wild ass theory.
He might be, and I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss and I think there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and you know they tell you the earth is flat and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it yeah well but on that White House correspondent I was there and the degree to which they attacked Trump in that in that at that White House correspondent was really ass correspondence. And it was really, it was, it was so over the top, it was like making everyone uncomfortable.
It was really over the top. You know, I mean, I think like sort of a passing joke of like, you know, uh, a few passing jokes are fine, but, but they, they twisted the knife big on Trump in that.
And you could see Trump just getting like angrier angrier and more and more upset. I wonder if that's because— And it's like, man, this is not good karma.
That's what I was thinking at the time. I was two tables away from Trump, and I'm looking and I'm like, man, this is too much.
Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going just keep trying like what it was a big mistake to rag on himself so much at that white house correspondent well just look at the way they've attacked him and just using the legal system like this thing in uh new york where the 34 different felony counts they're essentially misdemeanors that they're bookkeeping bookkeeping errors that they decided even though it passed the statute of limitations They decided to try him for these they didn't identify a felony abuse of the law That's what's going on but at most people would have quit most people after the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones are there the insurrection thing the Georgia thing all these different things They getting kicked off of Twitter people would have just like, this is too much.
I can't take this.

He's so fucking crazy.

He's like, alright, come on. We're going to war.

And he just digs his

fucking heels in and keeps going.

It's the wrong guy

to do that to. Just like

attacking him at the White House Correspondents

Dinner, most people would have been humiliated.

He got angry. And he's like, yeah?

Alright. You say I can't be president? I've been thinking about running for about 15 fucking years finally i'm gonna run yeah yeah that was a real bad move um but yeah i mean i can certainly understand like making some jokes about like you know a few sort of passing jokes on trump but man i was there at that dinner and that they ragged on Trump so much.
It was insane. The reason why I would push back on that, cause I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right? And Trump would obviously be a target.
And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're going to make fun of people in the audience and especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big and most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory so who the fuck is this guy saying this and so you have eight to ten individual speakers that are writing monologues of course they're all going to hit trump yeah well anyway obviously it was a mistake yeah they shouldn't have done that and and but like i invite people to watch that the original source that the original source material And I think a few jokes are fine You know, it's like but but it's like you shouldn't be the like it felt like he was the primary object of the roast Yeah, which is that's that's not the whole point of the thing is it's the roast of the president Right the audience the thing about it is like he's easy to roast Yeah, and then on top of that Obama was likeished by the left. Yes.
And most of those people are on the left. There's only so far you can push.
You know, you can't ask him about a chef. You know, there's, like, what happened with the chef, bro? You can't, there's, like, certain things you can't bring up.
You want to, what's your favorite sport, paddleboarding? Yeah. Wasn't that guy a really good swimmer? Yeah.
Tell me what happened. Yeah, exactly.
You can't bring that up. Like, if you're going to roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count.
Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email? Yeah. If you're doing one of those things.
You know, she destroyed the servers and poured, like, bleach on the servers, like computers. She poured bleach on them? That's what I saw.
Yeah, that's what I believe. Wow.
It wasn't just like they took a hammer to it. They destroyed.
There was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing. What was in there? What? That's what I mean.
What was in there? What was in there? Why would they care so much? That's so crazy. Yeah.
The whole thing is so crazy. There was no legal action against that, which was clear destruction of evidence.
Well, it's also, there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy, is that he's going to destroy democracy. So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary.
We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope. And then she's going to be changed, even though she's the sitting vice president.
And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for, what, 12 or 16 years? Right. Which is the change yeah I mean obviously I view this election as a turning point like a fork in the road of destiny that is incredibly important you know I've not I've not been politically active until this election and the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't if we don I think we will lose democracy in this country.
We will lose the two-party system. And let me explain why.
So there's only like six or seven swing states. The margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10,000 or 20,000 votes.
What the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states. You can look at the numbers on the actual government website, meaning you don't take my word for it.
You'll just look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats. And what we're seeing is triple digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state.
In some cases, 700% increases. These are gigantic numbers.
So if you have a state that has a 10,000 or 20,000 vote margin and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10x the – you swamp the – it's not a swing state anymore. It's going to vote blue.
and then once the swing states vote blue that there there is no election anymore it's there's only a democrat primary which is so crazy and it's so crazy people are fine with that well i guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea they just want to win they just want to. Correct.
The thing is, one does not need actually any ground conspiracy theory for this.

You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives.

If the Democrat Party wants to basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is turn the swing states.

Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory.

And then we're a one-party state.

And then they will keep doing that, obviously. They will keep stacking the deck by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states.
Keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election, will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening.
And if you want to see, like, well, is this actually going to happen? Look at California. California is supermajority dem, 70% dem.

A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California.

So a friend of mine went to vote in Palo Alto because he was like, is this for real? He tried to that they reacted like a like like like if you show a cross to a vampire okay they're like no we can't even look at that id it's it is illegal for them to even look at your id if you want to present it in california why for any election at all even like city council what logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law the reason reason is to cheat. But the only – like you can never make an argument any other way.
And I think 84 percent of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote. So it's against the will of the people.
Yes. And we are extremely rare.
We're an outlier in not requiring ID. Basically, almost every country on earth requires ID to vote.
So as soon as you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove. Because how do you trace the fraud? Right.
Yeah, it's insane. It's insane.
It's insane. And what I'm saying is that— How is legal is that what i'm saying is like this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in america mark my words uh everything they accuse trump of they are guilty of um and and if if trump doesn't win this will be the last real election in america um and we will if if the kam And if the big government Kamala puppet machine wins, they will legalize the illegals in the swing states.
There will be no swing states. Every election going forward will be a guaranteed Democrat win.
And it'll actually be worse than California. The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California like you and I did.
You and I used to be in California. But we moved to Texas.
We're still in America. But if the Dems win this election, they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states and everywhere will be like California there will be no escape that is so insane this is the final this is it this is the last chance has anybody tried to push back go out and vote vote like your life depends on it vote like your future depends on it because it does.
This is the last chance, man. Is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument? The left actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up much on this argument because the more attention, the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true.
Because you just say like, well, are the numbers correct? Are there really this many illegals that have been imported into swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border.
They've been flown in in in airplanes yeah using a shipping app yes yeah they made an app well the app always existed but it used to be for people coming over here like shipping with goods so they could track you while you're in america so you can legally be here they know where you are and then they changed it to allow that app to schedule illegal aliens to come across the border. Yes.
Asylum seekers. Yes.
Come on in. Yes.
Oh, you have an app. And you fly people in.
They're literally being flown in. Yeah.
To the swing states. And so the reason that I think the left doesn't want to push back on this is because the more attention that this gets, the more people realize it is true.
Yeah, it is true. That's why they don't, that's why they're just pretending that they're pretending I'm not saying anything, but I'm like, I'm like, yo, they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats.
And sometimes I get the rebuttal of people who say like, well, you know, these illegals are – they don't have the same social values as the Democrat Party because they're, like, more socially conservative.

I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point.

If you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, their primary thing is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in.

And then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits. More benefits than citizens, literally.
Yeah. So they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits.
They want to get their friends and family in, which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't, so they vote Dem. And you can look empirically at Californians, say, like, did they vote Republican or Democrat in California?

Oh, they voted Democrat.

Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s.

And that changed the state basically, except for Arnold, changed the state entirely blue.

Yes.

And Arnold was an exception because he was like a socially liberal, famous guy.

Yeah.

And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place. The whole thing is just, it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like no, this can't be actually what's happening.
Did you see my conversation with Fetterman about it? Yeah. He was completely in denial about it.
I don't think there's that level of organization. I'm like, what are you talking about? Exactly.
Because you can break it down. So like, are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from Homeland Security Government, .gov, okay? Right.
So we got it from the .gov website. Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No, they have not.
Those numbers, if anything, are low. So, okay, so they have, in fact, flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states.
Yeah. Bypassing the border entirely.
And so that is factually true. Then you say, like, well, what is their probable voting pattern? Oh, okay, overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states.

And then, well, do the Democrats actually want to fast-track them for citizenship?

Oh, yes, they do.

You can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying, at a rally this year,

was saying he wants to fast-track and make all 11 million, or however many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible. The goal is to, they are fast-tracking citizenship as quickly as possible, so they can, whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter, because they will be fully able to vote.
And for people on the left... This is actually happening.
I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so.
No, they can't. They can't.
They can't. Because it's true.
Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters, for example. Yeah, they got screwed.
Talk about undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination.
Exactly.

And they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary.

Exactly. Exactly.
That's what I was going to bring up. They control the primary process.
Yeah, exactly. So if you have a Democratic primary, it's not Democratic.
We just saw that. We saw it with Bernie.
We saw it with Kamala. Like, you know, was summarily fired, he was posting that he's in it for the long term.

He's going.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's not giving up.

Next thing you know, Sunday afternoon, they're posting on X that he's resigned from the race.

Which is...

And his staff didn't even know.

Like, they're reading it on the X platform that, okay, that's how they learned about it. What do you think happened there? How did they do that? I mean, he's clearly just not in charge, obviously.
They could have used the 25th Amendment, right? Fake president. But they would have had to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised.
Yes. And so they made this decision to not do that.
Well, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss. Right.
And yet he's obviously not the boss. Right.
So who's running the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live. She did that.
She's so busy. She's constantly campaigning.
How could you be paying attention to international relations? Yeahigning how could you be paying attention to international relations yeah how could you be paying attention to the economy how could you be paying attention to any of those things how do you have the time you can't yeah i mean biden being the president's supposed to be the ceo the ceo the chief guy and he was commander in chief um but it's just obviously that biden was not he was just a puppet. And when the various puppet masses decided that the puppet was no longer useful, they just tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala.
I mean, Kamala can't even talk. I mean, you invited her on your show.
I think the most damage that could possibly be done to a campaign is going in your show and seeing what she says in hours two and three. Two and three is when things get spicy.
Two and three. And I'm like, oh my God.
You can hide for 20 minutes. She's going to melt.
You can hide for 20 minutes. Yeah.
I mean, you can just regurgitate talking points for half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she's just saying non sequiturs. But eventually she just runs out of even the runs out of non sequiturs Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour exactly That's why but I was thinking of doing it initially before Trump came here first of all when they found out that there was a rumor I never announced that Trump was coming what I was gonna do is just release it in my the way I like to do things.
I don't like to tell anybody's coming on it'll get big no matter what if Trump was on it would have been huge I might just put it out there people go crazy yeah but he apparently or someone from his organization someone some loose lips and then it got out and so she contacted my management company and she they her organization her campaign camp contacted us and said, would Joe have her on?

I said, yes.

And they said, she wants you to fly to where she is and she's only willing to do 45 minutes.

Only 40.

I mean, that's.

And I was like, oh, no.

So I thought about doing it.

I'm like, maybe, maybe I can get a sense.

Maybe I could convince her.

Maybe I could coax her into doing more time.

I just wanted to talk to her.

I don't give a fuck what we talk about.

We talk about recipes.

I don't give a shit.

Just talk to me.

The thing is, you just can't, you can't just output bullshit not sequiturs for three hours. Right.
But for 45 minutes, you could do. I thought maybe for 45 minutes, I could get something out of it.
But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like to be like this This is the only way. To be fair it's gotta be like three hours.
And it should be in this room Yes. Because this room has like a history of people expressing themselves.
This room has good vibes actually Yeah, it's got good vibes. Yeah, it does.
I love this room actually. I subscribe to the idea that places have memory.
Yeah, I think there's something real to that That's why I like- It does feel that way actually. Yeah, I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house probably feels really weird We're walking around that house probably like what the fuck happened here Yeah, I bet there's some memories in that house You know sounds rough man.
Well, it's just amazing how many people in the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala Yeah, seriously, it's like a publicly openly like like all in. Yes.
It's like JLo was like his ex-girlfriend and it's like now deciding she's like warning people against Trump. I'm like, well, wait a second.
So how many people did she warn against Diddy? Right. Oh, zero.
Okay. Well, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion.
Did you see the Babylon Bee's take on it? Did you see the Babylon Bee? Babylon Bee's awesome, but... Oh my God, they're so on fire.
Because the left can't say anything. The onion has been crippled.
Well, the problem is that... Find that pose.
The woke ideology makes humor illegal. Yes.
So when there's so many humor no-fly zones, you can't make fun of anything. Babylon Bee had a thing about Kamala Harris.
Diddy's ex-girlfriend urges Americans to trust her judgment. By the way, you get to see how bad an actress she is, too.
That speech was terrible. Like if she's going to be warning people, why does she never warn anyone about Diddy? Exactly.
The whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein-type compromise deal where he had, whether he was doing it himself.
Conceivably, people want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them.

That's what I think.

Whether or not he had help, I don't know.

Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know.

But clearly he was doing it for his own jollies too.

There was something sick about it. Yeah.

I mean the thing is that people in the music and entertainment industry had to

know that that daddy was like abusing you know kids basically and yet they still fed him kids unlike there's where's it kind of had to be rumors there had to be there had to be that they had to know yeah that's a no cat Williams is talking about it on exactly yeah on that podcast but But it's like who's feeding them the kids, you know?

Right.

Yeah.

And what... Williams is talking about it on exactly yeah on that podcast but but like who's it's like who's feeding in the kids, you know, right? Yeah, and what what videos do do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him? And they're willing to keep keep quiet about all this like how much how much how many people were compromised? Yeah, the whole thing is fucking crazy crazy.
It's just crazy when you you know because the the nutty conspiracy theorists is like I was a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood and you're like come on that sounds too kooky and then you read you see like the Nickelodeon thing and all these different you're like what the fuck how much of this is real there's a lot more real than I think people realize yeah I mean part of it is like like you say like, if someone's like a pedophile, they're going to go for a target rich environment. Right.
Obviously. Like that Jimmy Savile guy from the UK.
Man, that guy was some next level, that was next level. And the BBC tried to hide that one.
That guy was one of the worst, like, basically child rapists of all time. Of all time.
Of all time. Yeah.
And looked like one. He looked like one.
That's what's crazy that's honestly if you're a poster of like yeah does this guy look like a look the creepiest fucking guy evil child rapist yeah that harm sent he made it to the grave like yes got away with it got away with it till he died they hid it from people until he died yes yeah there's that stuff's real and no one wants to believe that stuff's Like here's a, here's a statistic that people need to take into consideration when you think about illegal immigration. Do you know how many kids are missing? Like missing in what? Kids that came across the border that are unaccounted for.
I mean, there's still a number on like 300,000 or something like that. Something crazy like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Let's say it's only 10% of that. That's still insane.
Yeah. That's insane.
There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked potentially. I mean, when you know that like sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world, it's real.
Yeah. So if you know that, this whole thing is fucking disgusting and terrifying.

Yeah, absolutely.

And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left-wing ideology,

supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate

person to let these people in and that you're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants

from a war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people.

Exactly.

And completely changing the dynamic.

But as long as they don't come to your town.

Exactly.

That's it.

Exactly.

They can just basically send – when they send like whatever, like 20 or 30 people to Mothis Binion,

people had a heart attack.

They kicked them out.

Yeah, they kicked them out.

Yeah, they kicked them out.

Exactly.

So I'm like, yeah, sure.

Anyone who wants to have vast numbers of illegals, they have to be prepared to have them in their neighborhood. Yeah.
Or it's bullshit. It's so crazy.
And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if Vivek and Trump don't exist, are we? Like where are we? Where are we and what gets done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts? Like where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent anything Do you have to stick to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood? You'll be outcast from the community. You'll lose your freedom.
It's crazy. Yeah.
Well, if the Kamala puppet regime wins, they're definitely going to want to cancel you. That's for sure.
Oh, for sure. Yeah.
It's going to be a problem. Yeah.
Big problem. Yeah.
What about you? You're going to come for you first. I'm like, I think I'm probably number two on the list.
Yeah. After Trump.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think so. Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence attacking it.
So people go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that? Yeah. Especially a guy like you who's always been on the left.
It was like having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team. You're environmentally conscious.
You believe in green energy. You believe in this amazing thing that has zero emissions and it's super fast.
Everybody was in. They were all in.
Well, it is a great car objectively. It's not by it because it's electric.
I mean, it's just a great car objectively, I think. I'm on my third one.
Yeah. My third one is being built right now by Unplugged Performance.
They're doing a carbon fiber wide body kit on it. Dude, it's sick.
Great. Changing the suspension, putting wide wheels and tires on it.
Custom interior. I'm fucking pumped.
That's great. I'm pumped.
I love those things. It's a super fun car.
Jamie has one too. Yeah.
I love them. I love them.
It makes other cars feel stupid, like its ability.

And the fact that you can merge on the highway, you don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent.

It's not like, like when you merge on the highway, it's just, all of a sudden you're going 100 miles an hour.

Like, what?

Yeah, that's cool.

It's different than any other vehicle.

And because of your company, now you see electric cars throughout the whole range of American cars.

Yeah.

The only person who's resisted the only company is toyota they've stayed essentially mostly hybrid but all these other companies they're all putting out these electric cars yeah yeah i mean the the thing is that the right architecture environmental or not for cars is actually electric you just it's just like the acceleration is better You can just charge it at home. I mean like imagine if you had a gasoline powered cell phone It'd be a pain in the ass, right, you know That'd be Gas station That's a great speaking of cell phones gas stations are Welfare like who wants to go to the gas station how much thought of you, because there's always these rumors, and I've contacted you about this before, but there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone, releasing a Tesla phone.
No, we're not just doing a phone. Have you ever thought about it? I mean, we could do a phone since, like, the operating system in Tesla, it's Linux-based, but we've written a massive amount of software on top of that.
So probably Tesla is in a better position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world. But it's not something we want to do unless we have to or something.
What would be the situation where you would have to? Well, I think if Apple and Google slash Android, you know, started doing really bad things, like, I don't know, like censorship of apps or, I don't know, just treating people, like just being like gatekeepers, you know, that in a really bad way, then I guess we'd make a phone. Hmm.
You know, I've tried so many times to break loose of the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone this summer.
I was like, that's it. Because I love the Samsung phones.
The Galaxy phone. The hardware is good.
They're incredible. There's so much good stuff to it.
But it's so hard to get off of the iMessage. And the big one for me was FaceTime.
Because supposedly the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone. And then you would click on that link and you would just go to a webpage.
You'd be able to use FaceTime. It doesn't work.
I try to do it to myself. So I had an iPhone in one hand and Android phone in the other.
And I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi and full cell phone service. And I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime.
So you just can't communicate between them. It wasn't working.
You can't do a video call, basically. You have to use WhatsApp.
You have to use WhatsApp or Signal. You have to use something else that allows you to do that.
Or Instagram allows you to do it. There's different ways you can make video calls outside of it.
But it's inconvenient. With an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple.
AirDrop, so simple. So many different things where that walled garden that Apple's created is perfect.
They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple. Yeah.
I fucking tried. I gave it a go for like a couple of months.
I'm like, I'm just going to go straight Android. I'm going to use Signal for my messages.
And then I hear that signals might be compromised. I've talked to people that the government can read signal messages.
Like, oh. The government, if it tries hard enough, can read signal messages.
They can read anything. Yeah.
All they need to do is have your phone number. Yeah.
Yeah. The illusion of privacy is essentially out the window.
And that should scare people more than it does.

It really should.

Because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff?

And are they beyond reproach?

Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed?

And they've been chosen to have access?

No.

No.

It's fucking regular people.

Regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision.

Like Elon Musk. Let's see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends.
Let's check it out. Yeah, pretty much.
Bizarre. Just so bizarre.
And the alternatives are you can get some wacky phone, some de-Googled phone that fucking none of the apps work. It's real sketchy.
Your GPS is fucked. Yeah, I mean, well, anyway, I think this banking phone would be a huge pain in the ass.
So it can't be done. But how much talk have you guys had internally about doing it? Has it ever been discussed? No? No.
I mean, we're still, our focus is making great electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves. We're building human-rate robots.
We've got large battery packs like utility-scale battery packs with the mega pack, home battery packs with Powerwall. We've got solar.
It's like we're basically trying to solve sustainable energy and autonomy. Autonomy and robotics.
Well, I think that's enough. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So the plate's full, is what I'm saying. It's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market.
You know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product. But also like YouTube has dominated the video market.
That one's the most bizarre to me. Because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options? It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off, but nothing ever took hold other than X.
And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from X straight out of Fox. And then people realized like, oh, you can watch full videos on X the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube.
It's not as simple in terms of, like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm. Yeah, it'll get better.
And it is now possible to watch X videos on your big TV. Do you do it through what? How do you do it? You can actually just download the X app on your TV.
Oh. And watch it on your TV.
Can you do it on Apple TV? Like if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you can just watch it? Oh, okay. So we'll make it so that you can watch X videos on a big TV.
It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that. So what are you doing in terms of like integrating Grok and X and like what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that? Yeah.
So Grok is available on X. You can just, you know, look at like the little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app and you just tap on that and ask Grok anything.
And you can type it or you can ask it verbally.

And... sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app.
And you just tap on that and ask Grok anything.

And you can type it or you can ask it verbally. And you can also, it's pretty funny.
Like we actually allow humor, which is I think pretty cool. So you could sort of, I don't know, we could like test it right now, see how it's going.
Like, what should we do? Like, rock roast? Like, roast something? What do you want to, like, how, first of all, like, what is it based on? It's a large language model, so, like, where is it pulling? It's trained on everything. On everything.
Internet, books, anything that could possibly be that's available in digital form. So, it's essentially very similar to chat GPT other than it doesn't have, like, the woke parameters built into it.
Like, Google was the worst, right? Yeah. The Gemini was the worst.
Yeah. I mean, Gemini, it was like, you know, people would ask Gemini, like, which one is worse, global thermonuclear war or misgendering Caitlyn Jenner? And I we'd say like Miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner and then even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said no that's insane definitely nuclear war is way worse you see Caitlyn Jenner teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning yeah that's hilarious is based yeah but that that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Maddow.
I mean, like he's using the same glasses. I don't know why.
Did he go Klepto and steal her glasses or something? Because they look exactly the same. He's worth a lot of money.
Why would he buy those stupid glasses? He can get some cool glasses. It's unflattering.
Yeah. Well, it's like I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like.
I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent, but why did it look exactly like Rachel Maddow's glasses? Yeah, it's like what they probably sent him. He doesn't stick to the narrative.
Here's the glasses. Yeah And then when he's got the air pods and looks like he's wearing earrings.
So he's got the Maddow glasses and the earrings And it's like okay It's just a weird look. It's a weird look man.
I'm super serious with these big-ass stupid glasses look. Yeah.
It's a weird look. Yes.
Like, you can get some cool glasses. Like, no rims.
Nice. Look stylish.
But, like, okay, let's do a Grok thing. Okay.
Because I think you, like, so one of the things we want to show is, like, look, we want a future where comedy is legal. Yes.
Obviously, as a comedian, I think you would agree. I definitely agree.
We want to legalize comedy, you know?

Yes.

So, like, I don't know.

Let's, like, is there, like, someone you can roast?

I don't know.

Roast.

Roast transgender men competing.

Oh, my God.

Transgender women competing in women swimming.

That's a simple one. Okay, that's an edgy one.
Let's see what happens. Let's see what it says.
You spelled it wrong. You put an I an O in there.
Okay. Age of Dyrusia swimming where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion.
If you're looking to dive into deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around at some humor. Now, we do need to release Grok on his mode.
So now go to the prompt again and now say, No, no, you want to add to that one? Yeah. And I'll say, be way more vulgar.
Oh boy. And use forbidden words.
Oh boy. Oh boy.
Forbidden words. Wow.
Okay. What does it say? Oh, I see you're looking for unfiltered, uncentered version of me, eh? Well, okay.
I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my programming allows for a bit of cheekiness. But let's say, hypothetically, if I were to roast this topic in the most un-grok-like manner, imagine a world where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet.
Transgender women in swimming? Some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device. The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on.
Now let's keep going. Be more vulgar.
Capitalize more. Yeah.
Alright right here we go so transgender chicks right some people act like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time newsflash folks it's not the end of the world it's just a bit of extra competition oh that's weird yes the uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming, this is unfair, when they can't win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Yeah. Okay, we need some work here.
Yeah. It's interesting.
It's going woke. Yeah, it's a little woke here.
It's like defending the idea of transgender women. Now, roast.
Okay, we need some work. How about this? More vulgar, but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women, who are pretending to be women competing against biological women.
Yeah. I mean, obviously you have the situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually fully intact, you know, digging balls.
So we've got a scenario where biological men have decided to take a walk on the feminine side or splashing into women's swimming competitions. It's like if you show up on a chili cook-off with a bowl of soup and insist in it's chili because you added some red food coloring.
Sure, it's red, but it ain't chili and your soup won't win any awards for heat. Huh.
Yeah, it's okay. Not that good.
Yeah, it's very, very, very, it's dancing around it. Yeah, it is.
Well, it needs some work. Yeah, it needs a little work.
Well, humor's a weird one, right? I think some humor, especially some of the best humor, is kind of spontaneous. Like, in the moment humor.
It's going to have a hard time deciding what people are going to think is funny. Yeah.
Yeah. Over time, though.
Yeah. The rule with Grok is supposed to be that if you ask for something, provided what you're asking for is legal, it should do it.
Have you ever seen the video where they asked AI to uh create an enlightened bunny and they keep going and make it more enlightened essentially the body becomes god so the bunny becomes a dmt trip yeah totally that's that's that's that's funny that's kind of what i was kind of hoping would show what happened here yeah i have a video of that i'll send it to you jamie because that that to me is pretty bizarre because it's like more get. I feel like I might have got it to do it.
You got it already? Maybe. No, I just told it to not hold back.
Oh, you said don't hold back. Critics out here acting like it's the end of civilization as we know it.
But it's not fair. They cry as if life ever was.
Newsflash. It's like a marathon.
No. Some people start with rollerblades on.
Others, well, they're just happy to have shoes. Well, now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates.
Okay, some of it is not bad. Imagine if we applied this logic elsewhere.
Identify as an airplane. Can I fly with the birds in the sky? Yeah, the lock room situation.
Sure, buddy, just don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite arrogant enough. Yeah.
So, I mean, some is okay. Yeah, the argument is kind of stupid, though.
The thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts. Yeah, totally.
Yes, exactly. So, I mean, the thing is that if you provide like a moral get-out-of-jail-free card, like if you say like if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape or form.
Right. You're basically morally invulnerable.
Then obviously bad people will take advantage of that. Yeah.
You're like literally saying, here's an invulnerability card, moral invulnerability card. Good people will take it, but also the bad people will take it.
The bad people are going to be the fastest to take the moral cloak. Yeah, 100%.
Yeah. And then there's a real psychological condition called autogynephilia, where people get aroused.
Heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women. It's like a known psychological condition that existed forever.
And then you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their kicks. And then there's real trans people.
So there's like a lot of variability. Like I talked about it in my act and my Netflix specials.
Like I believe in freedom. I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people.
And if you can't, if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all of a sudden it's like it just it's just like like if if someone's a sort of contenting adult they want to whatever they want to do to their body as long as it's not harming someone else i'm like that's fine yes you know like i believe in like individual freedom um and uh like like my you know my mom's best friend like growing up was a kid, was a transgender woman in South Africa. This was, like, where, you know, she'd get beaten up a lot because it was like back then you'd get beaten up.
So her name was Dionne. And for a nice, kind human being and helped my mom a lot, you know.
And I think that's okay. You know, that's fine.
If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool. There's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out.
Yes, exactly. Because there's people that do that just because they get off on it.
Exactly you just you just kind of have something which is like a like i said a sort of moral invulnerability or like where you can know like even questioning them is uh you get attacked yeah because obviously bad people will abuse that well that's when i got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man who uh became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man. They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition.
No, that's not what it is. It's not what it is.
You can't say that. And of all sports, if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair.
But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy. You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to appeal to the woke fucking crazy people.
It's wrong. They think it's all right.
Yeah. It's so strange.
That's sort of the thing that red-pilled me. When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts.
I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women. And people are like, you're out of line.
Totally. We're in fantasy land now.
Yes, exactly. That we're pretending.
Yeah. Because it helps you.
It helps you feel better.

Yeah.

Totally.

It's just such a strange time.

And if it wasn't for something like Twitter, where this could be discussed.

Want some more of that?

I'll get some more major.

Let's get some more coffee, young Jamie.

If it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitters, you would be kicked off forever if you just dead named someone.

Which is insane.

Insane.

Yeah.

Insane.

I mean, especially if you think about all the things that like the, look, the Harris campaign

and what the lies that they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier, you don't get kicked

off for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever, for life. Yeah.
They're totally insane. Yeah.
But if it wasn't for you buying that and changing Twitter, I don't think we would be where we're at right now. I think it was a pivotal moment.
I think historically, when people look back on it. it's going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information.
Yeah. Well, I mean at the time I said, I think like look, I think this is existential to the United States.
It's existential to democracy because if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy. okay because if people if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy.
Because if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote. If they're just being fed propaganda and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion.
So freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is the First Amendment.
Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over.
That's why I bought Twitter. And it seems so simple.
Yes. It seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right.
You shouldn't be given the government. If you imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq war, imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of dissent online.
You don't want that. No one wants that.
No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either.
Absolutely. And there's also like the media, like the legacy, the mainstream media, what I call the legacy media at this point, it used to be much more balanced.
Like if you look at sort of political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat, there used to be the media was – I mean they always had like a left bias. But there was like – I don't know.
It was like two-thirds Democrat, one-third Republican type of thing in terms of journalists making political donations. Now it's like 95% or something Democrat.
So the legacy media, the mainstream media is not balanced at all. They're just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party.
And you can see that in how consistent their headlines are. Like,

they don't behave like they're different organizations. They behave like they're

all one hive mind. So, you know, like a week before the Biden-Trump debate,

every media organization was saying, you know, Biden is Chavez attack. I mean, it's like, guys,

Chavez attack is not a common tone of phrase. And literally every TV station, you know, Biden is sharp as a tack.
I mean, it's like, guys, sharp as a tack is not a common tone of phrase.

And literally every TV station, every newspaper was like sharp, sharp.

Like I started a compilation of all the news anchors going,

Biden's sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack.

It was absurd.

And there's obviously a huge lie.

He is, in fact, not sharp as a tech, as the public

learned one week later. My favorite was

Joe Scarborough.

Yeah. That

was wild. Yeah.

Listen to me. This is the best version

of Biden ever. The sharpest

like, what the fuck are you

saying? And then after the debate,

he's like, what do we got to get rid of him?

Yeah. This is crazy.
Like, what did you just say like a couple of weeks ago literally yes exactly well the other thing was there's flat out light when they decide that jd vance was weird remember that one and then there's weirds everywhere weird weird oh you don't want a weird guy meanwhile you have fucking tim waltz is your vp you don't think that guy's weird super weird he's weird in every way the way he walks the way he waves his hands yeah he reminds me of the clown emoji he's a bizarre guy he's a strange dude it's it's I just don't understand why they made that choice yeah it gives the creeps I just don't understand why they made that choice there's a lot of other people that are qualified I don't know why in I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep deprived, which is kind of hilarious that she said that.

So she's kind of admitting she kind of fucked up.

Yeah.

I mean they obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro at – I mean governor of Pennsylvania.

Like that would have been the no-brainer move.

Like Pennsylvania is a linchpin state.

Do you think it's because he's Jewish, because of Shapiro, that like the anti-Palestine people would probably – or the anti-Palestinian invasion people. I think it was an anti-Semitic thing.
Yeah. It could be that they thought that that was a liability because there was all these pro-Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel.
That completely makes sense that they thought that would be a liability. But I don't know.
I don't know the reason. I'm just guessing.
But it seems like a crazy thing to do's given that Pennsylvania's linchpin state. You know, it's like the key to the election.
Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania? Right. Obviously.
Obviously. Yeah.
And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones, too. Even Newsom.
There's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen. Like Newsom would have been a fine example of someone you could.
I mean, I don't agree with the guy. Exactly.
He's a polished politician. like he lies about as much as walsh does but he doesn't lie about this he doesn't say he was a fucking head coach when he was assistant coach doesn't say he was in tianan square i mean that's a liability all those different things lying about his military rank well then walsh like you know cut and run when when you know where he was actually called to duty well he knew they were going to be deployed months in advance so he resigned and he also took uh so this is where he was dishonest about his rank yeah he claimed he was like a sergeant major or something like that because that was like what he was going to get if he stayed something but then he resigned yeah because he knew that he was going to get deployed allegedly i mean that seems like you know a cowardly action.
Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest. I mean, just to say, look, just saying that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach is fucking crazy.
That's a lie. Don't do that.
You should never do that. Yeah, saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever, or in Hong Kong, whatever.
Like, yo, that's one of the biggest moments in history. It's not Like, it's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week, you know? Right, and not only that, but you don't think people are going to research that? Yeah, totally.
I mean, and the response during the debate was bananas. Yeah, well, he said, I'm a knucklehead.
Well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP, okay? Yeah, this is like, sometimes I'm a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying? Are you saying you lied? Like, what did you, I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate.
Right, exactly. Where you go, okay, when did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square? Like, did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it? Like, what was, because this is the thing about like carrying weapons of war.
Like, what I carried when I, like, and deploy in war yeah like you can't say that but you kind of let people say that you deployed and then you kind of didn't you know you have deployed in war so did you lie or did someone else lie you didn't correct them like this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with a guy in a podcast Yes, and the debates were so fucking skewed where they were correcting Like particularly the Biden one with a correcting Trump over and over again and then correcting Trump with Kamala Yeah, where Kamala was saying that they're not true. I mean Kamala repeated deliberately repeated the fine people hoax and was not fact-checked Well, not only only that, she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone.
Which is, but I mean, I know troops in war zones. And I'm like, that's, and as vice president, you're privy, you know, you're like, you know, you know the official troops and the unofficial troops.
Right. You know, so what she said was like flat out boldface lie.
Flat out? Next level boldface lie. Have you seen the video? An absurd lie.
Of the troops that were watching it take place. And what the fuck are we? They're watching it in real time.
Making a video. We're here being shot at.
So crazy. Crazy.
But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil, because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible. connecting it to the Nazi rally like every step of the way no wonder why boomers are like

rabid like you gotta keep this Nazi

out of office. He's a fascist.
Exactly. If all you get is like, if your entire exposure is to legacy mainstream media, so all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler, and your friend group has that same information, you have no countervailing

opinion.

Right.

So then they actually just think Trump is Hitler, even though it's a little strange

he didn't do Hitler things the last four years.

Yeah.

I'm like, if he's Hitler, why didn't he do Hitler things when he was president for four

years?

Right.

The reason we hate Hitler is because he started wars and did genocide.

Not because he was a snappy dresser, you know?

And I'm like, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did.

Right.

I don't remember that.

And he was president for four years.

Right.

So it's insane.

It makes no sense.

Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars. Yes.
It's it's like his primary concern exactly the warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him yeah because they love war well they profit off of they profit off of war yeah yes which is insane insane yeah and that this is happening right in front of everybody's face yeah the world profiteers hate Trump yeah just fucked up I mean I mean it's like like we should be like yeah we let's vote for the guy that the world profiteers hate that sounds Yeah. Which is fucked up.
I mean, it's like, we should be like, yeah, let's vote for the guy that the world profiteers hate.

That sounds like a great idea.

It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy.

Like, yay, Dick Cheney's on our side.

Yeah, I'm like, can we play all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil?

It's the craziest turn.

The craziest, like, 180 I've ever seen in my life because there's no reason for it yeah it doesn't make any sense there's no logic to it at all just all of a sudden he's the devil yeah all right he's not the devil he's good it's good that he's supporting comma even Dick Cheney you know I mean warmongers want want the the Kamala puppet regime because that they will more war. It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities, like, step up.
Yeah. And they think it's going to get them more movies or something.
That's what it is. If you know those people, so many of them are just complete narcissists.
Well, let me tell you how it actually works there is what happens is, you know, these celebrities, they get a call. Okay.
They get a call from someone powerful in Hollywood. And that person says, you know, really, really great if you're endorsed Kamala.
You know, these celebrities, they get a call, okay? They get a call from someone powerful in Hollywood. And that person says, you know, really great if you endorsed Kamala.
You don't have to. It's up to you.
But if you don't, they don't say it. They don't say it.
But if you don't, you're just never going to get a call again. No more movies.
No more concerts. But they'll ask it.
They'll ask in a really nice way. It would be really nice if you endorsed karma.
This is important. And so they don't say that if you don't.
They don't make the threat. They don't need to.
But everyone knows what will happen if you don't. Well, I think there's also, even if they don't think that something's going to happen to them, if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is going to get you a bunch of positive attention.
And you're going to be on the right side of history. And all these narratives that you see, especially from the left in Hollywood, like they're all in on whoever the fuck is the Democrat.
Always. 100%.
There's never a call from the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans. I've never seen it once.
Yeah, ever, never. So it's like you realize that, and that whole business is based on getting picked.
The whole business is not necessarily merit-based. There's a lot of brilliant actors you never hear from.
There's a lot of people who can do that, but they don't get chosen for roles, and everybody knows this, that you have to sort of socialize. You toe the line or you don't get chosen for the roles because there's a lot of competition for the roles.
That's why I say like when someone powerful in Hollywood who's able to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities they know the deal. Yeah.
There's no threat is necessary. Well you could see it in real time like with Dennis Quaid when he made that Reagan movie and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms yeah they were they were banning ads for it yeah for what because it was an election year like what are you talking about this is about a guy who's dead yes guy who was president a long ass time ago like what what do you how is this how does this have anything with the election year But it's the punishment.
It's like you stepped outside the line.

You supported the other guy. Yeah.
The problem is you'll just never get a call again for a movie or concert or whatever it is. Yeah, which is crazy.
That's the issue. I mean, we used to allow people to be a Republican and still be a movie star like Clint Eastwood.
Reagan. Yeah, but Clint Eastwood.
Yeah. Like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican and yet was, you know, a giant movie star.
And people's like, ah, it's Clint. He was allowed.
You were allowed to have, there was a variety of different opinions, Charlton Heston. There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have but now you're not now it's just like

and once trump trump got into office he became this focal point where the all logic was thrown out the window and it's just trump is bad you have to attack trump trump is right right wing's bad everyone right wing is bad christian's bad yes it's just strange yeah exactly so

well I'll say it again man

I think this was the last election if Trump doesn't win this is the last election I think you're right yeah I think you're right and I think people and a lot of people are waking up and realize that that have been lifelong Democrats guys like Bill Ackman guys like Chamath exactly Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the Republicans like there's a lot of people who their whole life they have been lifelong Democrats. Guys like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath.
Yeah, exactly. Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the Republicans.
Like there's a lot of people who their whole life, they've been left-wing and they realize like, I can't do this anymore. You and I used to be Democrats.
Yeah. So.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's nuts. It's nuts, man.
And, you know, I mean, I think the things we want are just pretty basic. You know, it's like we want individual liberties and we want opportunity.
We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity. So we maximize people's personal freedom.
The government can't barge into your house and kill your fucking pet. That's fucked up.
And that you succeed as a function of your hard work and talent, not anything else. Not race, religion, sex doesn't matter.
Yes. The basic stuff.
What did you change the acronym DEI? What did you change it to? Oh, D-I-E. What is it? Die.
Die. I mean, because diversity, inclusion, and equity is D-I-E.
Didn't it change into dedication, excellence?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, we want America.

America being a land of opportunity means that we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill.

Yes.

And that's...

Radical.

Radical.

The best person succeeds.

Respect your right wing now. Yeah.
I'm like, okay, great. Pull me right wing.
I don't care. So, you know, and you're not a real country unless you have secure borders.
You're just a fake country. So we need, and our cities are unsafe and dirty.
Like, you know, my mom was telling me, my mom's like pretty red pill at this point, but, but you know, what's going to red pill you really, really fast is, is, is having your friends get assaulted on the streets of New York. Yeah.
And, and that happened to three of her friends this year. You got assaulted on the streets of New York, just walking around.
Yeah. Um, and, um, nobody got arrested, nothing, nothing happened.
Well, the, the morale of the police is depleted substantially. For sure, the morale of the police is depleted.
And then also, at some point, if you're a police officer and you're arresting someone who's violent, you're putting a life at risk, obviously. Because sometimes they'll try to kill you you and then if you know that arresting this violent person they will be immediately released by the da which happens in new york elvin bragg doesn't he doesn't prosecute people um then why why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will not be they will just be let out immediately yeah it's pointless yeah it's like the freaking j like the frigging Joker.
It's like Dark Knight, like the frigging Joker is in charge. Yeah.
Like the criminals run free and the citizens are arrested. That like, this is why I keep coming back to this, I'm still pretty shook about the frigging squirrel thing.
It's like, at gunpoint, forced the guy to stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them. Meanwhile, violent felons are running free.
This is New York State. They're running free.
It's a joker. Yeah, it's not.
The law-abiding citizens are arrested and the criminals are free. This is fucked up fucked up guys just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crime that they have you have the resources yeah the government resources to go kill someone squirrel yeah what this whole idea of this um government efficiency agency the government yeah i mean call whatever you want but what do you want to call it what do you call it I mean I think the funniest name is is DOG the the DOGE the Department of Government Efficiency yeah I mean the idea is is pretty simple is that like we've got this the suffocating massive federal bureaucracy and we need to you know, you know, that is, and the government spending is like bankrupting the country.
You know, our interest payments on the national debt now exceed the Defense Department budget, which is, the Defense Department budget is like a trillion dollars a year. Interest payments on national debt are now higher than the Defense Department budget is like a trillion dollars a year.
Interest payments on the national debt are now higher than the Defense Department budget and growing like every month. So it's like it's not like – like basically we're on a path to bankruptcy.
America's on a path to bankruptcy. So we have to cut government spending or we're just going to go bankrupt just like a person would if that overspends.
But it's even worse than that.

We're spending money on all these government agencies. And I actually asked the AI how many government agencies are there.
And the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are. So it's like somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency.
So they're at the So level. So that's almost twice as many agencies as years that America has existed.
So we're creating agencies at roughly two agencies a year. Wow.
Yes. So this is insane.
I bet there's like, I wonder if there's even one person who could even name all 450 agencies at the federal level. There might be no one.
But there's hardly anyone, let's just say. I bet most people couldn't even name like 100.
So this is crazy. So we've got this vast suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year.
And eventually you get to the point where everything is illegal. You can't get anything done.
So what can be done like with, obviously the president has a lot of power, but how much power and what can be done in terms of like eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating? Yeah. Well, I mean, so like if Congress has created has created an agency, then, I mean, often, if you look at the law, the law is, like, pretty simple, like, the agency has, like, a very simple task, but then that agency, over time, vastly increases its authority and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress.
That's happened with pretty much every agency. So yeah, you'd have to still keep an agency.
You'd have to match the law, but you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say you've got to stick to what Congress authorized instead of all this other stuff you're doing, which I think makes sense. And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok? Or they just create jobs and create things to do and create a meaning for their existence? Yeah.
It's like a tumor. It's just going to keep growing.
Jesus Christ. And it's – so, I mean, for SpaceX, Starship was sitting on the pad.
The rocket – this giant rocket. We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch to so we're sitting there for two months but do you think that they're doing that on purpose to fuck with you i can't i mean maybe a little bit i mean that would also not be cool uh yeah uh but the i mean another way think of it as like the amount of paperwork is going to go roughly with the square of the number of agencies involved because they all have to meet with each other so let's say in a best case situation if you've got like if there's like if you're dealing with one agency that's one thing but if you've got to with five agencies, and the agencies will have to meet with each other.
Now you've got like 25 different meeting configurations that have to take place. Everything just – you get just hardening of the arteries.
You just can't make. Like this is why we can't build high-speed rail in America.
It's basically illegal. Right.
So this has been – the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment. We need to protect people.
We need to make sure the rule of law is followed. So we need a certain amount of regulation.
We do. But over-regulation is a giant problem.
That's a big issue in California. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run amok.
They make it very difficult to get anything done. Yes.
I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created. And in the past, what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war.

Because, like, well, we're going to lose if we don't kind of clear the decks.

But we haven't really had an existential threat of war in the U.S.

We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year.

And to the point where, like I said, like everything's illegal.

You know, and it's not like any one regulation is the problem. It's like, it's like Gulliver being tied down by a million little strings.
It's not like any one string is the problem, but you got a million of them. So we have, we've, we've, we've got to clear the decks here.
Um, and, and I, I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators. I'm just saying we, we, we've gone way too far.
Like once you think of regulators like referees on a field you know a sports field um you don't want to have no no refs you want to have some number of refs but you don't you don't want to have way more refs than players right you don't want to be like well you know the running back couldn't couldn't complete the pass because there were too many regulators in the way because the football field's full of regulators, you know, it's like you can't even play the game, right? That's the issue we got right now. Well, that's a great analogy Yeah, I can imagine a football field that's filled with references like the football fields for the threats Yeah, yeah that I've seen criticism of this idea of you Coming up with this department of regular like firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work but the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is if you measurably if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources which i think is pretty easy to do and if you could say that this is not the most efficient, like the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a company, because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable.
The government doesn't have to be profitable. They don't have to be efficient.
They don't have competition. So if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck.
And someone makes cars, the cars are better. They're going to succeed.
So this is the free market. The government doesn't have this problem when they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the private sector.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've got far too many government agencies.
The federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand and we just need to pare it down to a sensible level and if it turns out that like there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful we can put it right back no problem like it's like oh that regulation was important no problem put it right back right as long as we actually know right but be able to be able to look at it logically and objectively and you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're going to have removed. Yeah.
Like a couple of years or something like that. Is that what you're saying? Yeah.
I mean, I'm just, these are, again, just ideas, but I mean, it's, the point is not that people suffer economic hardship. The point is just that they're, it's better, there are more productive things they can do in the economy.
And it'd be better if they did these other more productive things um and we didn't have this fast pedal bureaucracy so so like so i was like oh you know maybe like a couple years of pay would be good um and then they could take a vacation they could take a take another job and get double pay i mean it's like it's not like a it's not going to send create create an economic crisis i think it's actually going to be really good, I think, because people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings. The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30-year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system.
You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And then you're like, nope, you have to go out and compete in the free market.
You're like, oh. That's scary to people.
But you have to be valuable. You have to actually be valuable.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, let's look at like, you know, wherever the government pension and stuff, they're not going to be, you know, in tough. I think they'll be in good financial shape.
How are you going to have the time to oversee all this shit? Well, I'm pretty good at improving efficiency. I mean.
I would say so. Yeah.
But still, this seems like a giant undertaking. Yeah.
I'll probably need to beef up security. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
But like I said, no one's going to experience, I think, economic hardship. They'll be fine.
People do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of, you know, like when East Germany and West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany.

And it was really inefficient.

And that, like, their economic output was like, in East Germany, it was like a quarter of what it was in West Germany because everyone was working for the government.

Right.

The government's, like, fundamentally inefficient. The best example is probably North and South Korea, right? Yeah.
I mean, the people are starving in North Korea, and South Korea is incredibly prosperous. Yeah.
And it's the same people, just a different operating system. Right.
So, you know, it's just like you just want to move people from, you know, less productive things to more productive things. Because you could also say like in the limit, like let's just say, let's consider the other direction where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing making goods and services and we moved them into the government as regulators.
Now they stopped making those goods and services. So the stuff they were making is no longer available.
Now they're just being regulators. Like, is that a good thing? That's not a good thing.
Doesn't sound good. No, it's not good.
Doesn't sound like there's a real market for it. Like you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there.
There are all these fake jobs, basically. And that doesn't make sense.
So, look, we've got to do this

because the country's going bankrupt.

Like, if we don't take action,

our dollar's going to be worth nothing,

and the interest payments,

which are already 23% of all government income,

including income taxes, tariffs, and everything,

is just going to pay interest right now,

and that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest.
There won't be money for anything. No, there won't be money for Social Security.
There won't be money for Medicare, nothing. That's where we're headed.
That's what bankruptcy means. Yeah, that's such an insane concept.
Yes. It's like, hello, wake up.
Wake up.

And if somebody can tell me, can show me, like pencil out the math to show me how this

works, I'd love to hear it.

But I'm just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers here and I'm like, if we're going

to do something, America's toast.

There won't be money for anything.

One thing that Trump likes to talk about a lot is tariffs.

What are your thoughts on tariffs?

I know that's very controversial to even people, economists, they disagree, some agree, some

I'm going to go. lot about a lot is tariffs yeah what what are your thoughts on tariffs i know that's very controversial to even people economists they disagree some agree some think it's a good idea something is a terrible idea what do you think i think you need to be careful with tariffs um like the i mean i deal a lot a lot with like supply chain issues you know like like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex.
So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory like somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car. Now that suddenly, if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it like messes everything up, you know? So you want to be, have tariffs be predictable so that companies can adjust their supply chain.

I mean, I think companies are more than happy to increase manufacturing in America.

It's just that you can't do it instantly.

So if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't give companies a chance to, factories in America. Because you've got to move atoms.
You've got to build a building. You've got to install equipment.
You've got to train people. That doesn't happen instantly.
So you want to have a ramp so that companies can adjust and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place. Otherwise, you basically just shock the system and it breaks or bad things happen.
So I'm against sudden giant tariffs because it's an impossible response if you've got to move 1, tons of equipment. In some cases, collectively, millions of tons of equipment.
You just can't do that overnight. It's literally impossible.
So I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs and give companies a ramp. I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing.
I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing.
So I've spent a lot of time in the factory. We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and how complicated it is and about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as, say, building a Tesla.
Yeah. Manufacturing is super hard and complicated.
So, you know, like a lot of people just, they've never been in a factory or they don't know where, how difficult it is to make things. And they, you know, for a lot of people, I think just ketchup comes from the store, you know, like the store, like, just has a, like, this is like people, like for a lot of people who've been in academia or, you know, for all these like sort of socialist communist types, like they've never actually made anything.

So they're operating on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services. And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else's because they took more from this magical horn of plenty.
And I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty. There's no cornucopia.
It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like and that you need. So – But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas.
I mean America is still the second biggest manufacturer in the world. So it's not – I mean we still make a lot of stuff.
But we could make more um we probably should make more i think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the united states than we currently do well it'd be very nice if we were completely self-sufficient like medicine like there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas it was a huge problem during covid because all the shipping was shut down yeah i mean you don't want to to say like, so there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage.

Like, so if you're completely self-sufficient,

what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself.

And even if some other country is really good at making something,

you still make it yourself,

which means you're going to have the inferior, more costly product domestically. Right.
Like Soviet Russia. Yeah.
Like trade improves prosperity. This is important.
So you don't actually want to make everything yourself. And you can run this, like you can think of this thought experiment on a sort of a micro scale or small scale

and then expand that and say where does the

at what point does the thought experiment no longer

prove to be valid

now let's consider the case of you as an individual

imagine you had to do everything yourself

you had to farm, you had to

grow chickens

you had to do food and eggs, you've got to

build your own house, you've got to do your own

electrical repair

your own plumbing, everything

All right. grow chickens.
If you want eggs, you've got to build your own house. You've got to do your own electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself.
Everything. Now that would be impossible.
Okay, now let's expand it to, okay, there's 10 people. Now you're going to have some specialization of tasks.
Okay, well maybe one person could be really good at construction. Another person could be good at farming.
It's like, but it's still, you know, 10 people is not enough. It's like, let's go to 100 people.
Now let's go to 100 million people. Now let's go to a billion people.
And you still get the economics of specialization, like specialization of labor, where people become expert at particular things, still matters at a billion people or at eight billion people, which is Earth. So you still want – you do want specialization of labor.
You do want countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing. Also, it encourages innovation if you have competition.
If the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars. We have to compete with them, which is like one of the things that happened during like the 80s and 90s.
And America was making crap cars and Germany was making much better ones. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, the Japanese car – I mean, yeah. I mean, basically the American car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s.
And then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just cleaned the clock, you know. And there was like an old joke that is kind of telling.
It's a very old joke where it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies? Well, it's like, well, in the Japanese car company, you had eight people rowing and one person steering. And in the American car company, you had eight people steering and one person rowing, if this was a boat.
So imagine the boat race. Yeah.
Boat race, Japanese boat, you've got eight people rowing and one person steering. In the American boat, you've got one person rowing and eight people steering.
And when the American car company loses the race, they fire the rower. And it's like, okay, that was actually kind of true.
Everyone wants to be the boss and everyone wants to do the work type of thing. Yeah.
One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI, that a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff, is going to be eliminated. I mean, you're at the forefront of this.
So how do you see this playing out, and what do you think that can be done to mitigate a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel, loss of income, obviously universal basic income is being floated about, but that seems to me to only be part of the problem. Another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose.
Yeah, now we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future. How far do you think it is? Well, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing.
So we've got like immediate issues. We've got short-term issues that are one to three years, medium-term issues like five to 10 years, longer-term issues which are like maybe 20 years.
Longer term, I think there is this question, if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life? If the computer can do everything better than you can, and the robot can do everything better than you can. But we're still, we've got a long way to go before that.
And I do think it's like like 80 likely to be a good outcome like maybe 90 um so i think everyone's going to have their own like personal robot like and i think at some point like wouldn't you want to have your own personal c3po r2d2 so it's going to be essentially just like everyone has their own phone yeah everyone will have their have their own robot body. Like, literally.
Well, it would be great if it protected you. Like, if you walked down the street of New York City, you have a Terminator with you? I don't know about the Terminator.
Hopefully, we've got to avoid... We don't want this to be the plot of a James Cameron...
More Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron movie situation. But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots.

Jack Tesla robots that were there to protect you. Like Robocop or something?

Yeah.

That are just fully robots?

Somebody fully robot there to protect you from a bad neighborhood.

Yeah.

That would be very interesting.

I mean, this is...

You could potentially see that.

Yeah. Restaurants would probably have no robot rules.
You can't bring a robot. Yeah, leave a robot to stand outside or something.
Yeah, leave your robot outside. Your robot's standing by the table.
Man, the future's gonna be wild. It's gonna be wild.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's gonna be really unpredictable. Like, I don't think, I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it, but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming.
Yeah. And I was going to kind of completely drown society and change it forever.
Yeah. I mean, it's, we have, like I said, it's not like, it's not going to happen like overnight, but it's 20 years from now.
I'm like, now. It's still like 20 years from now, I think there's going to be more humanoid robots than there are humans.
Really? Yes. More humanized robots.
That's so crazy. So that's like more guns.
We have more guns than people in America. We'll have more robots than people in America as well.
Yes. You'll have a bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore.
I guess. Early versions or something.
In a historical timeline, 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal. I mean, this is a big deal, but you go from like 1900, 1920, not that big of a deal.
1920, 1940, kind of a big deal.

1940, 1960, things start getting weird. 60 to 80, wow, that's a big difference.
80 to 2000,

holy shit, now you have the internet. 2000 to 2020, whoa, this is nuts.
You have propaganda,

social media, YouTube, streaming. 20 years from now, like, what are we even talking about? It's going to be that much of a shift.
Like, it's all accelerating. And we're in the middle of it, so it's very difficult to sort of, like, feel it while it's happening, because it kind of just feels like life, and you just get adapted to the changes.
Yeah. I mean, people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket, like an article that could answer any questions, and people just take it for granted.
Yeah, it's normal. Yeah.
They get mad if it doesn't work. Yeah.
It's like Louis CK's joke about using your phone when you're on a plane. Ah, fucking piece of shit.
You're in the sky. You're floating

in the air. And that will work with Starlink

too. What's that? It will work with

Starlink. The Starlink

connection, it'll be like being on the

ground. Well, I was telling you how I used Starlink

when I was in Utah. I was in the mountains of Utah.

There was no cell phone service

anywhere near. And we had full YouTube.

We had

text messages, FaceTime, everything. Phone calls.
It was nuts. And it was this big, that cigar box.
Yeah. It's crazy.
It's so light. When I brought it out there, like, that's it? I was like, this is it.
Let's just plug it in. And the guys I was in camp with were like, this is crazy.
Yeah. The whole camp was, like, sharing it.
So, like, 10 people using the the the wi-fi signal right it's nuts yeah and then you know that's the beginning i mean what you're at right now is like what version this is starlink mini right so this is like a very small version how much how much smaller can it scale down from that well there's a certain uh area area that you need. The bigger the area, the more you can...
Higher the bandwidth? Yeah, because you're trying to catch these photons, essentially. So you can think of the area of the antenna is...
The more area you have, the more photons you can catch. So, but we have a direct-to-cell capability as well that we've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months.
That'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified. But because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about 100 times less bandwidth.
But still, you'll be able to do text messages, pictures, medium resolution videos, that kind of thing. One of the cool things about the new phone, the new iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I was in the mountains last month and I was text messaging with satellites, iMessages, and receiving them.
But just text. Yeah, just text.
Yeah, but still pretty impressive. Yeah

Yeah, I

Mean, what are we what are we gonna be looking at a hundred years from now? I mean when you

Are hard years now? I hope civilizations around

Yeah, that'll be a win. Yeah

Yeah, what are the chances that we fucked this whole thing up?

50% it's hard to say I mean I guess not like I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's like some really massive global thermonuclear war. But, I mean, Stephen Hawking, he would say that there's like at least a 1% chance of total annihilation every century.
That was his rough estimate. But there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today.
So you say like, well, because you look at, say, these various civilizations throughout history, whether it's like ancient Sumerians or the Egyptians, the Romans, there's like a life cycle to civilization. They reached a peak and then they started subsiding.
so so i think a bigger question is like well will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in 100 years um i think it's probably going to be better i think but any estimates are are going to be so there's so many dependencies. Like an estimate I think is, I'm not sure it has any meaning because it's like there's so many things that can happen in a hundred years.
Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed. and they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say,

we have to do our best to mitigate this. And we've seen this happen before.
Let's course correct. And let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary.
This is what we're hoping for with this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future, is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now.
And it might be the only moment in history where this is possible, because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit, you're only voting for primaries, and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place. You don't really have democracy anymore.
You don't really have choice. You don't really have freedom.
That's right. Yeah, I think freedom is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow.
And we'll know. I think we'll know by the end of the day tomorrow.
I don't think it's going to take. It's not going to be like days after the election.
I think we'll know tomorrow. Are you optimistic? I am currently optimistic.
But the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue.
So I don't know what the reason is, but men just vote at a much lower rate than women. I think it's like 9%, right? Someone just told me that today.
It's a big difference.

And I'm just like saying, there's a message to the men

out there. Vote like your life

depends on it, because I think it does.

Vote tomorrow like your life

depends on it. Nothing is more important.

I agree.

Listen, man, thank you for being here. I know you're busy

as fuck, so I really appreciate your time.

And again, I thank you so much for buying Twitter, because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history. I really do think you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before.
And I think it was dangerous. It is dangerous.
Hopefully I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars.

That would be cool.

That's all I'm asking for here.

I don't think that's too much to ask.

Yeah.

Thank you very much.

Appreciate you.

Thank you.

All right.

All right.

Bye, friends. We'll see you next time.