#2223 - Elon Musk

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Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if you want to sort of see like a vision of the future, it's like basically that the like the top 20 and even the top 100 is like totally dominated by China.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah, this is like China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan. So are you in the top 20 in the world? The top 20, wow, in Diablo? Yeah, yeah.
Do you want to tell everybody your handle? No.

Speaker 1 No, don't tell them. Don't tell them.
It's not worth it. Well,

Speaker 1 they actually listed me with my actual name in the list. Oh, did they really? Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 yeah, there's only two Americans in the top 20.

Speaker 1 The rest, almost everyone is from Asia otherwise. We were talking about something that I think is a really good one, because people always think that video games are frivolous.

Speaker 1 But what you were saying, I think that's really important, is it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that and it can relieve stress. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard. Yeah.
You can only think about that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, if I, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then I have to concentrate fully on the game. And

Speaker 1 it has a calming effect. Yeah.
It sort of chills down.

Speaker 1 And I mean, you mentioned, I think, and many people are like, if you play martial arts or you play cool,

Speaker 1 like something that forces you, it's like, I think anything that forces you to concentrate fully

Speaker 1 actually

Speaker 1 has a calming effect. I find it just sort of like

Speaker 1 kind of a

Speaker 1 restoring effect. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's good. Jiu-Jitsu is like that.
Archery is like that as well.

Speaker 1 Like when you're shooting a bow, you have to, there's so many moving things and you're trying, you have to think only of it, and it cleans the mind. It cleans the mind, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 I was reading this study about surgeons, where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 video games require manual dexterity, so

Speaker 1 it makes sense. Completely makes sense.
Actually, if somebody was like... epic at video games,

Speaker 1 I'd say their surgical skill is going to be very good because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast reaction video games. Look at this.
32% fewer errors, 24% faster, and score 26%

Speaker 1 better overall than their non-player colleagues. Oh, I believe that's

Speaker 1 incredible.

Speaker 1 You should be required in medical school to play video games.

Speaker 1 Don't you think? If somebody is like a top-ranked video game player and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be like plus one, plus two type of thing. Oh, top rank, for sure.
But this isn't even top rank.

Speaker 1 This is just people who play. Well, your manual dexterity has to be extremely high.
So you're looking at things on a screen. You're reacting, and sometimes you've got like 10 milliseconds to react.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 And so if somebody's got incredible reaction times and manual dexterity, they're obviously going to be a good surgeon. Imagine if there was a course that you could take.

Speaker 1 That course would promote, you would be 26% better. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everyone would have to take that course. Sure.
Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say, hey, Bob, did you take this course? You didn't take this course.

Speaker 1 Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better? Sure. You would have to take it.
Everyone should have to play video games. Yeah.
If you want to be a surgeon.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it certainly would be a very good test to see if if somebody can't play video games well, like that means, I mean, because you've got to move both hands simultaneously. Right.

Speaker 1 You've got to react to something very fast

Speaker 1 on the screen.

Speaker 1 And if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, then you lose the game.

Speaker 1 So if somebody's like has a good rank in video games, I would say that their manual,

Speaker 1 necessarily, their manual dexterity must be extremely good. Well, it's so fine motor skills have to be excellent.

Speaker 1 If you think about like StarCraft or any game like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being.

Speaker 1 There's to be something something exceptional about you. Yeah.
Actually, if you're interested in Quake, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players. I know.
We talked about this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I loved Quake. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 In my final semester in college, I probably put more time into Quake than all my college classes. When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds.
They were very, very fun guys.

Speaker 1 And they had a land set up at the studio where they all played Quake. I had never played video games.
And I would go in with the writers and just kind of hang out with them. We'd get silly.

Speaker 1 And then we would all start playing video games and playing Quake against each other. And I got addicted, like hardcore.
I got a T1 line installed in my house.

Speaker 1 I went hardcore. Yeah, exactly.
You're checking how many milliseconds of latency you have. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I was fully addicted. I was making my own computers.
I was going to Fry's hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together. And, you know, it was too much of a time suck, though.

Speaker 1 I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved.
Like, I can't play golf.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 golf is too slow for me. I mean, I know a lot of people find golf good.

Speaker 1 And I mean, I guess if you think of it, like, it's, I guess, if you're saying you're going to walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, then, and you're just as an outdoor walk, then that's cool.

Speaker 1 And it does require concentration when you're hitting the ball, but

Speaker 1 it's too slow for me. Nothing compares to video games in terms of the amount of feedback you get.
Like

Speaker 1 the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large, high-resolution screen. You have a fast computer.
You have headphones on.

Speaker 1 on, then you're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you and rockets are flying by you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's nothing like that. Yeah.
But I think golf still is like Jamie will tell you, Jamie's an addict. He's a golf nut.
It's super addictive. And it takes like eight hours a day.

Speaker 1 It's yes.

Speaker 1 Once you get into golf, I think, I guess any sport, it gets super addictive.

Speaker 1 So but for me,

Speaker 1 the intensity of video games is hard to beat. Yes, it's and the people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time.

Speaker 1 But we're showing like real-world benefits of people people playing video games. If you want to be a drone operator, it's the only game in town.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you have to be really good at video games. Yeah,

Speaker 1 for sure. So

Speaker 1 in fact, I I can actually tell

Speaker 1 like what my m mental acuity is if I just play if I play a very hard video game. So if I'm trying to sort of get like a

Speaker 1 an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that

Speaker 1 or

Speaker 1 a first-person shooter, whatever the case may be. Like, if I can tell that I'm tired

Speaker 1 or my brain's not working as well as it should,

Speaker 1 it's like a mental calibration. You can tell immediately, like, what is what how good is your mental state? Right, right.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, so it's like, like, if you're if you're trying to play really well, like, if you play late at night and you're tired, you just play badly. Right.
And you can say, okay,

Speaker 1 you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't. Because you play the video game and you're like, you suck.
So, okay. Yeah, you're putting it under stress.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're really stress testing it. You stress test it.
And

Speaker 1 because sometimes like, oh, I think I'm fine. But then you play the game, like, okay, I'm not.

Speaker 1 I'm like 10% below what I should be. That's how I feel about workouts, for sure.
Like, that's how I knew I had COVID. Or I knew everyone in my family had COVID.
And I was

Speaker 1 trying to not get COVID. And so I was working out.
I was like, something's up. Like, I felt fine normally, but then during exercise, I was like, Okay, I can tell there's something wrong here.

Speaker 1 So, let's just back off and relax. Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's like people who don't stress test their mind, they think they're operating on the same level all the time.

Speaker 1 Like, sometimes I come in here, and I can't form a fucking sentence, and I don't know what it is. It's like, what is going on?

Speaker 1 So, it's just like sleep's not maybe like what sleep wasn't that good or something like that, yeah, something like that, or I'm too busy, and it's just it's not the words aren't coming out.

Speaker 1 Like, I know how to talk, I talk professionally, and I can't fucking talk.

Speaker 1 It's like, I mean, sleep's

Speaker 1 massive. I mean, huge.
Yeah. So

Speaker 1 if I can tell Amelia, did I get a good night's sleep or not? If I just play like...

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Speaker 1 I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that good because it's my, my, you know, and sometimes they don't,

Speaker 1 your brain will recover through the day and it's like, okay, like an hour or two after waking up, it's better. Yeah.
Because your brain does kind of recover from bad nights of sleep a little bit.

Speaker 1 Do you know what really helps? Creatine, apparently. Does it? Yeah.
Creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not. There's a lot of benefits of creatine that are really weird.

Speaker 1 Are there any downsides? No, no. It's a natural part of food.
Yeah, yeah. Especially women.
For women, apparently, especially post-menopausal women, it's very beneficial. Okay.

Speaker 1 But there's a lot of cognitive benefits. And one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep deprived.

Speaker 1 Mental performance when sleep deprived increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine.

Speaker 1 Is creatine naturally occurring in like steak or yeah, it's like naturally occurring in meat, I think. I think that's where it's coming from.
I think it's primarily an animal-based thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like I did switch to like steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's like a power-up. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates. Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 And you just like carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise and the crash, the rise and the crash. You stay flat if you eat like a primarily high-protein, high-fat diet.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Your body runs off ketosis, essentially. I mean, so I just have like steak and eggs, no bread or anything.
Yeah. It's great.
It's great, actually. It's a power-up, I'd say.

Speaker 1 People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.

Speaker 1 It's rubbish. It's not true.

Speaker 1 It's hot bullshit. It doesn't matter.
Not only is it hot bullshit.

Speaker 1 But the real problem is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon.

Speaker 1 The animals are not going to make any difference to global warming.

Speaker 1 None. No, it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 Nothing. Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in plant-based meat products and things along those lines? Green energy.

Speaker 1 I think it's part of it.

Speaker 1 You know, you're generally going to get people pushing to avoid meat. Like, some people just, you know,

Speaker 1 maybe they've got a financial interest. Maybe they're just like vegetarians or vegans or whatever.
Ideological, ideological reasons.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's not going to make any difference to global warming or, you know, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, really, if people eat fewer steaks. It doesn't matter.
It's irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Speaker 1 I want to be super clear about that. Yeah.
Will not matter. You will not even be able to measure it.
Okay. That's how irrelevant it is.
Isn't it funny that that's unmeasurable? That's irrelevant.

Speaker 1 That's a heretic speaking. Like, that's crazy talk now.
Nowadays, it's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat. No, meat is bad.
You can totally eat as much meat as you want.

Speaker 1 It's not going to make a difference. Sing it.
Sing it. Tell the world.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 And if somebody says it does make a difference, I'm like, how will you measure it? And if you can't even measure it, then it's bullshit. Yeah.
Yeah. Literally, I won't be able to measure it.

Speaker 1 Well, there's so much bullshit out there. First of all,

Speaker 1 thank you so much for buying Twitter.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do.
I really think you made a fork in the road. We were headed down a path of censorship and of

Speaker 1 control of narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control.

Speaker 1 What they were doing with social media by suppressing information and when you had a combined government effort, like what they were were doing with the laptop story.

Speaker 1 We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation. Take it off offline.
And Twitter complied.

Speaker 1 If you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 No, it's. I mean, the reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned since I was like the most interacted with user on Twitter before the acquisition.

Speaker 1 So before the acquisition, I had more interactions than, like, there's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower accounts But I had the most number of interactions of any account in the system.

Speaker 1 So I was very attuned to like if they saw change if they changed the system I can tell immediately like and I'm like I'm like something weird is going on here. You know, like

Speaker 1 there's like I just got increasingly uneasy.

Speaker 1 And obviously when they de-platformed the setting president, you know, don't

Speaker 1 de-platform Trump,

Speaker 1 that was just insane.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 and And the things he was posting, he was posting things that like he was posting good things. He was saying, hey,

Speaker 1 do not riot, don't do any destruction of property,

Speaker 1 please stay calm. That's the kind of stuff he was posting.

Speaker 1 And you're like,

Speaker 1 what's wrong with that?

Speaker 1 And then some people said, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle. He means the opposite.
I'm like, okay, so we'll give you Trump's account. Now, you post what you think you should post.

Speaker 1 Because you can post nothing. You can ask people to calm down.

Speaker 1 Like what?

Speaker 1 It was insane. Like it didn't make any sense.
Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent. That's crazy.
And crazy. That's crazy.
Crazy.

Speaker 1 Don't you think they will listen to him? Yeah. Isn't that the whole point? They listened to him and created violence in the first place.
That's what you think. That's what you're accusing

Speaker 1 you're accusing him of. Right.
And then there's the fact that we know that there were agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal shit. Yes.

Speaker 1 We We know that for a fact. This is not, that was always the big Alex Jones type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests.

Speaker 1 I believe we're in Seattle in the 90s. And they sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing things, lighting things on fire.
Now all of a sudden, a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful.

Speaker 1 They move in the cops. They shut everything down.
They had it set up where it was a no-protest zone where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it.

Speaker 1 They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work. So you couldn't protest.
You couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights. You couldn't even have a peaceful protest, a fucking sticker on your car.

Speaker 1 You couldn't have that. It's crazy.
It is crazy. So, no, I think we're very much at a fork of the road in Destiny.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the reason I did the Twitter acquisition was like, it's like, man, if I don't do this, I think we're screwed is the issue.

Speaker 1 Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was going to do it because it wasn't a financial winner.

Speaker 1 It was kind of a crazy move. It's a crazy move.
I mean, the thing was way overpriced.

Speaker 1 And, you know, like long term, I think we can ultimately make it a win for investors. But, boy,

Speaker 1 this is a hard way to make a living. Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it.
There's a concerted effort with the advertisers.

Speaker 1 We had and still have

Speaker 1 a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of of left-wing NGOs.

Speaker 1 And I should have brought my

Speaker 1 hat, Make All Well Fiction Again. I've seen that hat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I should have brought my Make All Well Fiction hat again.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, it's just totally, totally nuts.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 If you didn't do it, no one would have. And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots.

Speaker 1 Elon's a bad businessman. Twitter is worth 400% less than when he bought it.
No, it wasn't worth that in the first place. It wasn't worth that in the first place.

Speaker 1 It wasn't worth $44 billion, you fucking morons. Like, wrong.
And also, you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott. Exactly.
That's total bullshit. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So there are these organizations, like you can tell,

Speaker 1 they're like,

Speaker 1 when they have an Orwellian name. So

Speaker 1 the Center for Countering Digital Hate

Speaker 1 is a total scam organization.

Speaker 1 Because they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 they're like they're a censorship organization. Yeah.
And they organize and they pushed the advertisers to boycott.

Speaker 1 So we still have, like, some of the boycott

Speaker 1 is starting to lift.

Speaker 1 And I think if Trump wins, we'll see

Speaker 1 probably

Speaker 1 most of the boycott lift. But if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger.
And they'll friggin' shut down. There's no way that the sort of Kamala public regime would allow X to exist.

Speaker 1 You really think that they'll be able to shut it down, though? Is there a pathway to that?

Speaker 1 Yes. What would they do?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 they can sick the DOJ on, you know, and say, like, you know, they've had this whole thing about hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're the ones pushing the misinformation.

Speaker 1 But that doesn't stop them from filing massive lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, like, the DOJ has

Speaker 1 been attacking SpaceX for example for not hiring asylum seekers even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the U.S. So

Speaker 1 we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Speaker 1 Just an example of what the DOJ can do. So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen?

Speaker 1 SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology. So it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States.

Speaker 1 So like if North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America. Right.
That would be bad. Yeah.
That'd be really bad. That'd be really bad.
So so we're

Speaker 1 since we are in like the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX,

Speaker 1 under

Speaker 1 U.S.

Speaker 1 ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're going to return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them.

Speaker 1 So it's illegal for us to hire

Speaker 1 anyone who's not either not a permanent resident. They can have a green card or be a citizen.
They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States.

Speaker 1 Then there's another law that says if you discriminate against asylum seekers, that's also, you're also breaking the law.

Speaker 1 So they just, so the DOJ, the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year. They launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX

Speaker 1 saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers. And

Speaker 1 we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident.

Speaker 1 So we're in this, like, this is what I mean. It's like,

Speaker 1 the Orwell situation is getting insane. Like, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.
So you're damned. Can you imagine history looking back

Speaker 1 at when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like this is like one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace. Like it is one of the wildest accomplishments.

Speaker 1 When you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly, like holy shit.

Speaker 1 Imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company. Yeah.
How insane it is. Big lawsuit with an army of lawyers.
Like this was not like some minor thing.

Speaker 1 But it doesn't even make any sense logically. Like how could it even get brought to court if it's illegal?

Speaker 1 That's exactly. So that's what I mean.
Like

Speaker 1 basically if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason. It's like that famous quote from Beria.

Speaker 1 So Stalin's chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police, and he's like chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy Beria.

Speaker 1 One of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Right.

Speaker 1 They decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards.

Speaker 1 That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target.
They just figured out the crime afterwards.

Speaker 1 Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office. They're doing all the things that they accused Trump of doing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Openly. Openly.
Yeah. I mean, the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again.

Speaker 1 And it's like, look, I just have like politicians are going to, you know, exaggerate, they're going to

Speaker 1 misspeak. And they'll tell occasional untruths, whatever.

Speaker 1 That's how it is in politics. But when you have deliberate, concerted, repeated pushing of hoaxes,

Speaker 1 you're like, wait a second, come on, man.

Speaker 1 This is too far. And you're supposed to be the good guys.
You're supposed to, and you claim to be the good guys? I'm like, exactly. You're supposed to be the progressives.

Speaker 1 Yes, the damns are like, oh, we're the good guys. We're the honest people.
No, no, hang on. You can't claim to be the good guys.
You can't claim to be the honest people.

Speaker 1 If you're deliberately post-pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly.

Speaker 1 like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says a bogus. Yeah.
Like the fine people hoax. Obama just said that on stage.
Obama just said that. I was like, what the flying fuck?

Speaker 1 He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck.
They're just

Speaker 1 a flat-out lie. Flat-out fucking lie.
How about the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women from illegal immigrants? Thank you. You remember that?

Speaker 1 What he was saying is whether the women like it or not, I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 When he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose, whether women like it or not. Like, that's not what he was saying.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border. Yes, exactly.
They'll take, like, not even a full sentence, like a half a sentence from

Speaker 1 every ad, every

Speaker 1 speaking event, every single day. And it gets repeated on the news.
Yes. This is what's crazy.
They'll talk about it on these new shows,

Speaker 1 quote news shows. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 I mean, a recent one that came up, which had a lot of people, because

Speaker 1 a lot of people reached out to me. It was like,

Speaker 1 they're like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter bullshit.
That's not what he said at all. It's not what he said at all.

Speaker 1 All he said was like,

Speaker 1 what he's saying is that, look, if Liz Cheney

Speaker 1 actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war. Exactly.
Like,

Speaker 1 it's easy to go to war. It's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to risk dying at the front lines.

Speaker 1 Like, if other, like, basically, it's fucked up if people are having fancy dinners in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 1 while people are being slaughtered in trenches. You know, it's like you're not feeling the pain.
Exactly. You're not taking the risk.
It's someone else dying.

Speaker 1 That's cruel and lacking in empathy.

Speaker 1 And all Trump was saying was that it's like

Speaker 1 Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger, because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad,

Speaker 1 if she actually had to go to the front lines and fight herself. And meanwhile, they're saying that he's saying she should be shot.
Yes, which is a total lie.

Speaker 1 But I had like tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Traney in a firing squad. I'm like, that is an outrageous lie.

Speaker 1 And legacy media ran with that lie, big time. Yeah, it's crazy.
It's just wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff.

Speaker 1 I think it would be very difficult for you. I think YouTube throttled.
They did something weird. They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where you couldn't find it. It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 It made no sense. I mean,

Speaker 1 it was like the biggest interview on Earth. Yeah.
And you can't find it. Yeah.
Not only that, it was trending. Bullshit.
It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending.
It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending.

Speaker 1 You're like,

Speaker 1 there's just no excuse for that, man. No excuse.
There's no excuse. It was getting a million views.

Speaker 1 What was it? 1.4 an hour at one point in time? 1.5. 1.5 an hour.
Yeah. And it wasn't trending.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's like your channel is a known channel.

Speaker 1 It's not like it was started yesterday. It's like...

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's like this is a high trust.
Yours is a high-trust channel. It's like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins.

Speaker 1 Well, thank God we put it on X as well. Because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70 70 million views.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.
Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now.

Speaker 1 They banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians. They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines.

Speaker 1 They would have done that everywhere. And it probably would have, I think, even what's going on at Facebook, they're being more lenient.

Speaker 1 you know you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance that's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark

Speaker 1 exactly so

Speaker 1 as soon as as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful to to not censor because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
And

Speaker 1 the best thing I found for for as a rebuttal, like if somebody, if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.

Speaker 1 If somebody thinks, you know,

Speaker 1 Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like,

Speaker 1 let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video. That's the best way.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it.
Go to the source material. And community notes.
Yes, and community notes. Community notes is the best.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 It's incredible because everybody gets checked. Yes, including me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And with community notes,

Speaker 1 all the software is open source and all the data is open source. So you can recreate any given note independently.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. Yeah.
That's how it should be? That's how it should be. Total, absolute transparency in every way.

Speaker 1 You know, sometimes I get asked, like, oh, Yon, can you remove a note? You know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right. I'm like...
I'm like, I don't even remove notes on my own account.

Speaker 1 Nothing. And by the way, everything is totally open.
So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately. Like it's not going to be subtle.
That is the best counter to misinformation.

Speaker 1 Yes, absolutely. Like let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say.
Yes, exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information.

Speaker 1 Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And like I said, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it. Look at the source material.
You know, so it's like, look at what someone actually said.

Speaker 1 Look at what someone actually did. Look at the real videos of the situation.
And then you can actually, you'll know what's real.

Speaker 1 So as of today, when you were literally on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail in Pennsylvania. Tell me what the fuck is happening.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation.

Speaker 1 So we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So, you know, I've

Speaker 1 I've given a whole bunch of talks throughout

Speaker 1 the state because Pennsylvania is the lynchpin in this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election.
So

Speaker 1 I've been giving talk. I spent three years in Pennsylvania.
I went to college in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 So it's not like

Speaker 1 I'm not a total stranger to the state. I spent three years there.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good thing,

Speaker 1 and specifically asking people to...

Speaker 1 And we wanted this to be like

Speaker 1 registered voters in swing states.

Speaker 1 Like basically we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution.

Speaker 1 Especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle.

Speaker 1 And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment.
Like, freedom of speech, the reason

Speaker 1 the founders of the country put the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists.

Speaker 1 And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech.

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Speaker 1 You know, and I've had these debates, especially with people in LA, because they're like wanting to take everyone's guns away. And I'm like, yo.

Speaker 1 Can you guarantee me that the government, that we will never have a tyrannical government in the United States? can you make that guarantee? They're like, well, nobody can make that guarantee.

Speaker 1 I'm like, then we need to keep our guns because that's what's going to stop it.

Speaker 1 Aaron Powell, that sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that. But that's the reality of the world that we live in is that.

Speaker 1 Tyranny is possible and it exists other places and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in the UK.

Speaker 1 You're seeing,

Speaker 1 I think the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas. It's in the thousands.
Yes, several thousand people have been have been given prison

Speaker 1 sentences in the UK for social media posts where there was no explicit link to actual violence. But they just said it encouraged violence.

Speaker 1 Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post? Well, no. But they're just

Speaker 1 and and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK, so they're quite literally releasing releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts.

Speaker 1 That's an actual thing happening in Britain.

Speaker 1 That is so wild. Like it's like what's happening.
It's so wild that people can't see.

Speaker 1 You know, it's going on. And what's insane to me.
Make all fiction again. Yeah.
You know? But it's all being encouraged by the left. Katanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry.

Speaker 1 John Kerry was one of the people who said that he's on camera a few weeks ago saying that the First Amendment

Speaker 1 is an obstacle to fighting misinformation. Yeah.
That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes.

Speaker 1 You have a solution in something that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two. And even without a community note, you can reply to a post with evidence

Speaker 1 that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes.
I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note.

Speaker 1 But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence.

Speaker 1 The argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things. They're going to be a victim of misinformation.

Speaker 1 So they're going to read something that's incorrect. They're going to run with it.
People are going to die. People are going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation.

Speaker 1 It's a stupid argument. It's a stupid argument.
Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong.

Speaker 1 If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that? Exactly.

Speaker 1 And obviously anyone on the X system knows that things are posted and then there are replies and there are rebuttals and and it's immediately corrected.

Speaker 1 But where are the corrections for the legacy media? Right. You know,

Speaker 1 if

Speaker 1 some broadcast media pop,

Speaker 1 they say false things all the time, but it's a one-way street. There's no rebuttal.
There's no counter. Right.

Speaker 1 Who's apologized for being incorrect about what... Did Rachel Madow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID?

Speaker 1 The virus stops with you. No, never.
Never. No one ever.

Speaker 1 It was not true at the time. There was no evidence to support it at the time.
It's pure propaganda. And she said it.
The Russiagate hoax.

Speaker 1 For three fucking years, they said that he was Putin's toy and that Putin had him compromised. The steel dossier.
The steel dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer at Perkins Coy

Speaker 1 who was paid by the Clinton campaign. Literally.
It's crazy. And still people think the Russia hoax is real.
And there's no repercussions. No one had to apologize.

Speaker 1 Hillary Clinton never came out and apologized for that, and people still listen to her. The whole whole thing is crazy.

Speaker 1 And it's all coming from the left, which growing up as a person who was in the left my whole life, it doesn't make any fucking sense. Same.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I was on the left until like three years ago.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, it's not the left anymore. It's not the left anymore.
It's just like, I think we obviously want,

Speaker 1 I mean, I believe like we want freedom. Like, like, we want

Speaker 1 we want to maximize personal liberty. Uh, I think we want we want to be kind to people.

Speaker 1 We want to have empathy.

Speaker 1 But it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit-based society. And the left

Speaker 1 wants to

Speaker 1 oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech. And

Speaker 1 they want to have a non-merit-based society with race-based and sex-based preferences. And it's like, well, wait a second.
No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work.

Speaker 1 And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people.

Speaker 1 And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do. And they want to silence opposition.

Speaker 1 That's all it is. And the fact that people can't see that and they want to call Trump a fascist,

Speaker 1 the whole thing is

Speaker 1 through the looking glass.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're perpetrating against Trump. I mean, like, they try to call the rally at Madison Square Gardens like a Nazi rally.

Speaker 1 I'm like, yo, there was like literally an Israeli Israeli flag in the audience. I think like a quarter of the speakers were Jewish.

Speaker 1 Like there was like there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that rally. Like tell me what about that is Nazi?

Speaker 1 And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally. Well, MSNBC, they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from the 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally, ignoring the fact that

Speaker 1 fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there.

Speaker 1 There have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Gardens, dozens

Speaker 1 on the Democrat side.

Speaker 1 And people on X were like, and here's exactly, here's Jimmy Carter, and here's

Speaker 1 Bill Clinton. And here's, wait a second.
Actually, it looks like every presidential candidate has done a on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Gardens. Are they Nazis too?

Speaker 1 But what they're doing is they're preying on low-information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, people are living ⁇ if people are just looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the the actual flow of argument and the actual evidence.

Speaker 1 Trevor Burrus: Well, what was the pushback? Like, what happened when you guys released the Twitter files?

Speaker 1 Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse.

Speaker 1 Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual,

Speaker 1 they did the same thing to Facebook. They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show.
They suppressed the views by 50%

Speaker 1 of factual information. Yeah, no, there was massive government interference in Twitter.

Speaker 1 But Twitter welcomed it. That's important to

Speaker 1 all Twitter welcomed it.

Speaker 1 All Twitter was controlled by far-left activists. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 they welcomed the government interference.

Speaker 1 They got paid by the government for it. That's crazy.
They got paid for their time, correct? Yeah, they got paid billions of dollars for suppressing information. So it's like billions of people.

Speaker 1 And a bunch of it was like fat illegal. Like the FBI had this like, this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system.

Speaker 1 But all of the communication

Speaker 1 in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws.

Speaker 1 So we don't even know what was said because it was all deleted after two weeks. That's insane.
Yeah. That's so crazy.
It's so crazy that people thought that that was okay. It's not super not okay.

Speaker 1 No, it's super not okay. It's unconstitutional and no one would want that.
No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly.

Speaker 1 And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released? Like you had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you you released that. Like what was what happened?

Speaker 1 Well we got a lot of we did lose a lot of advertising dollars

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 which is crazy because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism, exposing government corruption. Aaron Trevor Brevalar, yes.
I mean, this is the weird thing.

Speaker 1 It's like the left used to be

Speaker 1 big on exposing government corruption,

Speaker 1 but once they control the government, they no longer want to expose the government corruption. Right.

Speaker 1 They want to pretend that the left-wing government is incapable of corruption because we're on the good side.

Speaker 1 I think it may be just like, you know, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want

Speaker 1 the other side hurt.

Speaker 1 because as you pointed out like the left historically up until I don't know maybe even 10 years ago or something like that

Speaker 1 was the Free Speech Party and now it's the anti-Free Speech Party and they just they use they use words like

Speaker 1 like oh well we have to be against hate speech and misinformation disinformation

Speaker 1 but these are propaganda words you know it's like

Speaker 1 well who's defining hate speech who's defining misinformation the government do you really trust the government to make definition?

Speaker 1 The whole point of

Speaker 1 the First Amendment is like, you do not trust the government.

Speaker 1 Especially when they're wrong. Yes.
And there's no repercussions.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like with the whole lab leak theory, if you get, you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released.

Speaker 1 Yep. Hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started.
What do you think, guys? Yeah. They kicked you right off of YouTube.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. It's like, do you think maybe

Speaker 1 it could have come from a place called the Novel Coronavirus Research Institute? Yeah, like that Jon Stewart bit that he did on Colbert.

Speaker 1 That was amazing. What does it say on the door again?

Speaker 1 Can I see your business card?

Speaker 1 And to see Colbert like resisting it with every fiber of his

Speaker 1 what's going to happen to us. He was totally cock blocking the bit to the point where Jon Stewart got off his chair chair and started walking around trying to take control.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then good on John. And then the left tried to cancel Jon Stewart.
Of course. Meanwhile, he was right.
He's right. And no apologies.
No apologies. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the whole Fauci thing, like any criticism of Fauci. It's like anti-science.
It's a very demon, if you ask me. If you read RFK's book, the real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct.

Speaker 1 If the facts are in there, that's true. It's all referenced.
You could find the sources. And on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued. Yes.
So the guy's a monster. I think so.
Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think, like, just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain of function research to Rand Paul.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded

Speaker 1 the bioweapons research that was going on in Wuhan. And he bankshot it off.
Like, he can't send the money directly to China. So he just bankshot it off EcoHealth.
Right.

Speaker 1 This like fake nonprofit in the U.S. And they send it to Wuhan.
And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014.
I mean, so, you know,

Speaker 1 to give Obama, throw Obama, give Obama some credit, he actually was like looking at this and say, hey, this is crazy. And

Speaker 1 we need and he so he actually did

Speaker 1 stop the

Speaker 1 like like

Speaker 1 the so-called gain of function, again, a propaganda word,

Speaker 1 because what is the function they're talking about? Death.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Right. So

Speaker 1 if you actually use the right word, this is gain of function is death maximization. Right.

Speaker 1 Then you're like, oh, oh, hey guys, should we fund

Speaker 1 bioweapon research into death maximization? Because that's what gain of function means. Yeah, it means

Speaker 1 making a disease so that people can get it. Give it to people.

Speaker 1 And by the way. What's that function again? Oh, the function is death? Okay, so just call it a death maximizing virus.

Speaker 1 If you're doing research on that and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things, how come you don't have a fucking cure?

Speaker 1 Start with a cure. Cure first, disease second.
It doesn't make any sense. Like you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out?

Speaker 1 And so you have to make up this

Speaker 1 new vaccine in record time, Operation Warp Speed, release it to the people with very little testing. It's fucking crazy.
It was crazy. The whole thing's crazy, and everybody just went along with it.

Speaker 1 Lunichi is the next level. Well, the PSYOP was was fascinating to watch people step in line.
It's like one of the biggest psychops of all time. Of all time.
Of all time. Of all time.

Speaker 1 And everybody got in line. And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 1990s, that changed everything.

Speaker 1 We're one of two countries in the whole world that allows this.

Speaker 1 And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam. And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched.

Speaker 1 All sorts of things that are not supported by data.

Speaker 1 Like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children. All of it's bullshit.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And they pushed it on the whole world. And if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were a pariah.
Yes. And you were an anti-vaccine.
It was totally psycho.

Speaker 1 It was like being a Holocaust denier. You got kicked out of polite society.
Exactly. Fucking bananas.
And I should say, like, I'm actually generally pro-vaccine overall.

Speaker 1 You know, I think we look at these things.

Speaker 1 But I believe in the scientific method.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you never blanket accept anything. You never blanket accept that any given medication or any given treatment is 100% good.
You should always view it with some skepticism.

Speaker 1 Especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have a long history of crime. Criminal

Speaker 1 conduct. Yes,

Speaker 1 they've got a vested interest in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about whether smoking is dangerous.

Speaker 1 you know it's exactly the same thing like oh according to our scientists everything's fine yeah they lied in court forever the same thing they did with oxycontin when they said that it wasn't addictive like they have a long history of being full of shit if it makes them money and that's what they do that's their business they've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits in this massive

Speaker 1 they're in the b you have amazing scientists right you have these clinical researchers these people that develop these incredible drugs and they this is their job their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop things.

Speaker 1 And then you have the money people.

Speaker 1 And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people, and then they have this other faction that they're all just numbers people.

Speaker 1 And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits and making sure they literally have an obligation to their shareholders. They have to make the most amount of money possible.

Speaker 1 And so they just want to push it on everybody, regardless, like the Viox scandal. There's internal emails showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular events.

Speaker 1 People were going to get strokes. And they're like, I think we're still going to do well.
And they did. They made like $12 billion.
They got fined seven. And 50 to 60,000 people died.
Holy shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 One of them was a friend of mine who got a stroke. And died.
Yeah, no, he didn't die. He lived, but he was a really healthy guy.

Speaker 1 He was like about the same actor as I was. Yeah, he had knee problems, and he took Viox, and all of a sudden he was slurring his words, and he couldn't concentrate.

Speaker 1 And people are like, I think you're having a fucking stroke. And they they took him to the hospital.
And then you have this giant class action lawsuit.

Speaker 1 And then Viox gets pulled from the market and they get sued. And the whole thing's fucking crazy.
But there's a long history of this. I think, what is the number?

Speaker 1 Like, one-third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled? It's fucking bananas. That is crazy.
That's crazy. You're shitty at one-third of the things that you say are okay,

Speaker 1 but yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans? Yeah, they should let MDMA through, honestly. That think that would actually help a lot of people.
It would help a lot of people.

Speaker 1 It would help a lot of people. There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, ibogaine.
The fact that you have to go to Mexico to get ibogaine therapy for veterans.

Speaker 1 So many guys I've talked to have gone over there, and it's like completely given them a clean slate and refreshed their mind and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions.

Speaker 1 Illegal. Yeah.
Illegal. Oxycontin, go get it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I know some people who, like, their life was ruined by OxyContin. Oh, yeah.
Because, I mean, it really depends on somebody's individual biochemistry.

Speaker 1 Like, to me, like, like, opioids are not addictive to me. Like, you know, I've had them when I've had operations or something, and

Speaker 1 they barely affect my pain level, and they make me itchy and uncomfortable. They make me stupid.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 But I'm like,

Speaker 1 so like,

Speaker 1 I could never get addicted to alcohol or opioids. It's just impossible.
Like it it's because my biochemistry just d does not have like no, but I love tasty food. I feel like, you know,

Speaker 1 you know, if if if there's I'm addicted to tasty food, sure.

Speaker 1 But like there's there's like can be like I have a whole wall of wall of alcohol. It's there for decoration.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel the same way. I could easily quit alcohol.
I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink. It doesn't bother me at all.
But I know some people, they have one drink and they're off to the races.

Speaker 1 And that's the difference in the biochemical differences that we all have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions. I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it.
I see it. I've seen it in people.
But

Speaker 1 I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life.

Speaker 1 That's why I've never tried cocaine. I just saw too many people.

Speaker 1 It looks too fun. Like, I don't want to get involved.
Yeah, I mean, I think generally for any given drug, legal or illegal, you could. The question is,

Speaker 1 can you complete the following sentence? Blank made me a better person.

Speaker 1 Meth.

Speaker 1 Like I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person. No.
Ever.

Speaker 1 Made a lot of soldiers better, I think. That's yeah.
I mean, if you're doing,

Speaker 1 if you're like,

Speaker 1 if your soldiers need to march for three days in a row. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It does. It's really

Speaker 1 effective at that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people give France a hard time about, you know, capitulating in World War II. But you know what's worse than Nazis? Nazis on meth.
Meth? Nazis. They're not stopping.
Norman Oler really.

Speaker 1 They have like six bullets.

Speaker 1 They're still coming. That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers.

Speaker 1 The guys at the front of the line, they gave the most meth. Yes.
They have different dosages. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 you just basically think you're vulnerable on meth. And so it's one thing, like I said, it's one thing we, you know, have like the

Speaker 1 Nazis come after you, but Nazis on meth, you're like, holy shit, those fuckers are not stopping me.

Speaker 1 For three days. It's not stopping.
It's so crazy. Yeah, that's not a statement.
Meth made me a better person that you hear very often. I've never heard that before.

Speaker 1 No, you hear a lot of like psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics.

Speaker 1 Exactly. I've actually heard many people say that LSD or mushrooms or MDMA made them a better person.

Speaker 1 Many people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey, look, if you can complete the sentence, sentence, legal or illegal, that blank made you a better person, actually,

Speaker 1 then

Speaker 1 you got a good drug. And if you can't, you got a bad drug.
Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives,

Speaker 1 the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives, but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 It's basically the same thing as censorship.

Speaker 1 You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true, and you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you.

Speaker 1 And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible. Exactly.

Speaker 1 So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual, objective observers who are looking at all this stuff, they give you real data. Yes.

Speaker 1 And the opposite of that or the counter is like, if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels.

Speaker 1 That's the whole reason why they have all that money. It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America.
The demand is never going going away.

Speaker 1 So instead of like limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs because fentanyl and all this other shit has been because they're not pure. So you're just killing people.

Speaker 1 You're not saving anybody by protecting them from themselves. True.
But it's a tricky situation because what do you do?

Speaker 1 Like, if you just say, okay, now everyone can sell all these people that have been selling boner pills, now you can sell meth. Like, holy shit.

Speaker 1 You get the, you get the

Speaker 1 double combo with

Speaker 1 the vigor and meth. Right.
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Well, I mean, how many people are already doing that right now with Adderall? How much people are doing that? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth. Especially people that abuse Adderall.

Speaker 1 They're basically amphetamined up all day long. Yeah, Adderall is low-grade amphetamine.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have actually seen people

Speaker 1 become much worse people if they take too much Adderall. Like much worse.

Speaker 1 It's like an anger amplifier.

Speaker 1 Now I'm not saying like Adderall is something like where there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear-cut issue.

Speaker 1 It does help some people a great deal.

Speaker 1 But in higher doses, man, that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on high doses of Adderall.

Speaker 1 They're just angry, like extremely angry, all the time. Yeah.
They're messed up. Yeah, that's what happens if you take myth.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 You turn it like myth turns you into a friggin' rage demon. And so

Speaker 1 there's so many prescriptions. And I'm like, Jesus.
We Googled it. Like one year, there was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And like, once in a while, there's like an Adderall shortage and there's like widespread panic, you know.

Speaker 1 And then what are people do? And then it's the same thing as like when they tried to like limit the amount of OxyContin. Well, people go to street heroin.

Speaker 1 And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed is like, hey, man, I can get you low-grade meth, like the stuff the Nazis took.

Speaker 1 Well, they had high-grade meth, actually. That pharmaceutical grade, they had epic, that epic meth.

Speaker 1 It was like made by the, like, pharmaceutical-grade meth is going to be...

Speaker 1 I mean, there's... I mean, if you just look at the friggin' online Wikipedia page, but there's like many different versions of meth.
Like, they're not all the same. And they have different effects.

Speaker 1 So, but, but, like, pharmaceutical grade, pure meth, you are going to be, oh my god, super productive,

Speaker 1 super productive for a certain period of time.

Speaker 1 And you're not going to sleep for a while, and

Speaker 1 then you'll have some anger management issues.

Speaker 1 So, like,

Speaker 1 the Nazis, they did actually

Speaker 1 roll back how much meth they were using because

Speaker 1 they had quite a few incidents

Speaker 1 of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so they would shoot shit.

Speaker 1 Too many officers got fragged by

Speaker 1 their platoon that was on too much meth.

Speaker 1 That happened quite a few times.

Speaker 1 When someone's on a lot of meth,

Speaker 1 they can get very angry. Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking meth in a lab in his backyard?

Speaker 1 I mean, McAfee's quite a character. He was a character.

Speaker 1 We had him on the podcast when he was on the run. So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from, where was he, Costa Rica? Is that where he was? Belize.
Belize. Right.

Speaker 1 So when he was running from the authorities, he called in. We had him on the podcast on the run.
And I was asking him about these posts.

Speaker 1 Like, because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like super sophisticated, making the best meth, like a super genius cooking meth.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think he like had like he had this lab, like he was making like a wide range of drugs.

Speaker 1 And there was like, I talked to

Speaker 1 actually like a

Speaker 1 reporter

Speaker 1 who went down and like

Speaker 1 interviewed him in Belize.

Speaker 1 And Porter said, man, that's one of the scariest things.

Speaker 1 He was quite terrified. So

Speaker 1 one of the things that McCaffey he had, I guess, this trick where he would play a Russian roulette with himself.

Speaker 1 So he'd put a bullet in the revolver and they'd spin the chain. But clearly he had some trick to know that it was not

Speaker 1 there's some

Speaker 1 way that he knows it's not the right bullet. But

Speaker 1 I do wonder, i if if McCaffey is high and he does that, he's not always going to get the trick right, you know. Do you sure he had a trick? Or maybe?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so yeah, yeah, so so he so according to this reporter,

Speaker 1 when he went to visit McCaffey in Belize, McCaffey took out the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed it at his head and went click.

Speaker 1 And the reporter's like saying, please don't do this. Like, this is insane.
Click, click, click, and then pointed the gun at the ground and next went click bang and shot a bullet in the ground. Jesus.

Speaker 1 That's a hell of a potty trick. Jesus.

Speaker 1 This is the next level of potty trick. That's the guy who's seen the deer hunter too many times.
Yes. Remember that scene?

Speaker 1 When they were forcing the

Speaker 1 heavy scene. That was a heavy scene.
De Niro and Christopher Walking. That's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever.
I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants.

Speaker 1 McAfee was a wild boy. Wild.
And created brilliant antivirus software. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He may have made some of the viruses too. You think so? Well, didn't he like give laptops to a bunch of government organizations with viruses on the

Speaker 1 so that he could like pay attention to what they were doing. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked that guy. I don't know what happened to him, but he would be a guy that would be like, this guy is a little bit too loose.

Speaker 1 And probably had sensitive information. I don't know.

Speaker 1 For sure, he did.

Speaker 1 I mean, I found him to be an interesting guy. I mean,

Speaker 1 like, I'm generally

Speaker 1 feel like if somebody is not harming someone else, they should be okay. Now,

Speaker 1 there is some

Speaker 1 suggestion that McCaffey killed his neighbor in Belize.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He probably did. Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag.
I think he probably did. Seems like he probably did.
Seems like the neighbor killed his dog. Yes.
Right?

Speaker 1 And then it seems like he killed the neighbor. Yeah.
Allegedly. Yeah.
I mean.

Speaker 1 It seems likely. It's not a zero possibility.
It's not definitely not zero.

Speaker 1 It seems more likely than not. He's a messed-up wild man playing Russian roulette.
Hey, maybe you kill your fucking neighbor. Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them too. Yeah.
Somebody killed your squirrel. Yeah.
John John Wick. Yeah.
The fucking squirrel thing is bananas. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That squirrel thing in the U.S.

Speaker 1 So here's the thing about the whole squirrel thing is that

Speaker 1 how can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and

Speaker 1 the government can barge into your home with guns.

Speaker 1 So if you resist, you're going to get shot.

Speaker 1 And then take your pets and execute them.

Speaker 1 And if they can do that to to your pets, what do you think they can do to you?

Speaker 1 I know that's not an exaggeration. Absolutely.
It sounds like you're, oh, that's so crazy. How can you make that connection? But it's, that's, no, it's.

Speaker 1 Why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby? If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful.

Speaker 1 It was really cute. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 It was just obviously a beloved pet squirrel and a raccoon, too,

Speaker 1 and doing no harm.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets, and kills them. And,

Speaker 1 you know, I think this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because,

Speaker 1 you know, I mean, you say that like the John Wick movie, where John Wick's like, you know, he wants to, he just wants peace, like, you know, in the drama movie.

Speaker 1 He's like, listen, I want to retire. And they offer him like tons of money, like, because they want him to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin.

Speaker 1 They offer him tons of money. They threaten him.
He's like, listen, I'm not going to be,

Speaker 1 I'm out, you know. And they kill his dog.
That was a bad idea.

Speaker 1 That was a really good idea. He killed a cheat little puppy.
And the puppy was his ex-wife's gift to him when she died of cancer. Yeah.
Great movie. Great movie.

Speaker 1 It's the best revenge movie of all time.

Speaker 1 Because it's so ridiculous. He kills everybody.
Yeah, it kills everyone.

Speaker 1 And you're rooting for him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They shouldn't have killed his dog. Yeah, they fucked up.
And they shouldn't have killed that squirrel. They shouldn't have killed that fucking.
That squirrel. I mean,

Speaker 1 it's like, how many,

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Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 Aww, look at that little guy. And that squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy.
He would hop all over him and climb on him. I mean, it was, that was his pet.

Speaker 1 That squirrel thought of that man as his protector, as his companion.

Speaker 1 There was nothing wrong with that. And in Texas, it's totally legal.
You could have a fucking zebra out here. You could have whatever you want.
And that's the argument for freedom.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the flip flip side is you get a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard, which is not great.

Speaker 1 It's like this was a fucking squirrel.

Speaker 1 It's not an anaconda or a

Speaker 1 crocodile or something that's not. Or a chimpanzee.
Did you see chimp crazy? Oh man,

Speaker 1 chimps will eat your face. They will fuck you up.
They will fuck down you up. They don't even, the thing is they don't even kill you.
They just cripple you.

Speaker 1 Chimps don't even kill people, which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart.

Speaker 1 They want to leave you. They could kill you easily.
If a chimp want to just punch you in the head until you're dead, it wouldn't take long. But they don't kill you.
They just rip you apart. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you can have a chimp.

Speaker 1 Well, you used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states, and then chimp crazy kind of exposed a lot of that. And PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets.

Speaker 1 Because once they hit like five, you can't control them anymore. Well, it's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got

Speaker 1 a creature that is dangerous to others. But obviously a squirrel and a raccoon are not.
Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere. That's what's so crazy.
Why can't you have it in the house?

Speaker 1 What kind of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 they're allowing criminals to go free, and violent criminals to go free, but they're spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets. What the hell is going on? Exactly.

Speaker 1 And it's like.

Speaker 1 But it's overreach.

Speaker 1 It's government overreach. And this just keeps getting worse every year.
And that's why

Speaker 1 we've got to fight back against this.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 people say, like, well, it's just a squirrel. Well, it was, you know, in John Wick's case, it was just a dog.
Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 Well, remember the Russian guy said, it's a fucking dog. It's just a fucking dog.
Just a fucking squirrel. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, it's the funniest thing. It's when

Speaker 1 I just don't understand how anybody could justify it.

Speaker 1 I don't understand how anybody like i if it seems to me that in a logical world all that guy would have to do is say why don't you see me with this squirrel this squirrel's a pet yeah like look he hops on me he eats he sleeps i can keep a gerbil but i can't keep a squirrel i can have a guinea pig i can't have a squirrel i can have a chinchilla my daughter has a chinchilla it's adorable adorable little thing climbs all over Can't have a squirrel.

Speaker 1 Even if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they have released it into the woods or something? Well,

Speaker 1 the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage.
It won't be able to find a home. Squirrels are brutal.

Speaker 1 Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw each other out of trees, which is one of the reasons why squirrels can fall from 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live.

Speaker 1 It's like it's a natural adaptation because squirrels during mating they bite each other. There used to be like a rumor, there was a myth that squirrels bite each other's nuts off.
And

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 seems to be a myth, but it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating so like one female is just running away like i have squirrels in my backyard i watch it all the time one female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her so they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees literally throwing each other off trees to try to like have so if this poor little peanut the squirrel who's used to living with a guy in an apartment like gets out there in the wild world well fair enough at least they have a chance yeah at least least he has a chance.

Speaker 1 He's a chance. How about just leave him with the guy? Yeah, leave him with the guy for sure.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you killing that squirrel? It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then to add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were like actually posting that they're glad that MAGA squirrel got killed, which is fucking.

Speaker 1 The fucking squirrel has an ideology. It's because he's a little fluffy squirrel.
Exactly. Well, it's a nice symbol because

Speaker 1 most reasonable, compassionate people think that's terrible. And most people who have pets

Speaker 1 think it's terrible. Terrible.

Speaker 1 So I don't know. I mean, I'm like, I hope people just go out there and vote for Peanut, man.
If nothing else, if nothing else, just

Speaker 1 vote for a peanut. They've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster.

Speaker 1 They've taken the worst things that he's ever said.

Speaker 1 And he's not a perfect person, but guess what? No one's a perfect person. They don't exist.

Speaker 1 This purity test, like if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage about that very fine people hoax.

Speaker 1 Exactly. No one's going to be a perfect person.
But

Speaker 1 the thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him like he can't be president, like remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondence during the year?

Speaker 1 There's one thing that I am that you'll never be president of the United States. You see Trump in the audience going, okay, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 The funny thing is, I was actually

Speaker 1 at that White House correspondence dinner where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president. Right.
Trump's there. He's there.
He's actually supporting.

Speaker 1 You know, basically, if you are

Speaker 1 the wireless correspondence dinner, you're there in support, actually, of the president, in support of the press. Right.

Speaker 1 And it's meant to be that you're roasting the president. Like, Trump's just there.
He's like, actually, you know, just like there as part of the support. And then

Speaker 1 they turned it around and just started roasting Trump. And he's just sitting there.
I'm like, he's like, yo, I just came to the dinner. I wasn't,

Speaker 1 I'm just here to support. We know what it was because of, right? The birther stuff.
Oh, okay, yeah. That's what it all was.

Speaker 1 It was all, Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged, that he's actually from Kenya.

Speaker 1 And what's weird is, if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya. Like, I think

Speaker 1 something from college said he was from Kenya. But, you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time.
It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya. But

Speaker 1 Trump was one of those guys that was like spreading that supposedly false rumor. Was he pushing it hard? I'm not.

Speaker 1 This is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying, what did he actually say? No, he definitely was. He was definitely saying, you know, look, he,

Speaker 1 I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply.

Speaker 1 And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people, like these Marjorie Taylor Greene type people who come to him with some wild-ass theory. Sure.

Speaker 1 He might be, and I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss.

Speaker 1 And I think there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and, you know, they tell you the earth is flat, and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, but on that White House correspondence center, I was there, and

Speaker 1 the degree to which they attacked Trump

Speaker 1 at that White House correspondence center was really, it was, it was so over the top, it was like making everyone uncomfortable. Really?

Speaker 1 It was really over the top.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think

Speaker 1 sort of a passing joke of like, you know,

Speaker 1 a few passing jokes are fine, but they twisted the knife big on Trump in that. And you could see Trump just getting like angrier and angrier and more and more upset.
I wonder if that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 And it's like, man, this is not good karma.

Speaker 1 That's what I was thinking at the time.

Speaker 1 I was two tables away from Trump, and I'm looking at it, like, man, this is too much.

Speaker 1 Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that, because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying.

Speaker 1 It was a big mistake to rag on him so much of that White House correspondence center. Well, just look at the way they've attacked him

Speaker 1 just using the legal system, like this thing in New York where the 34 different felony counts were essentially misdemeanors. There were

Speaker 1 bookkeeping errors that they decided, even though it passed the statute of limitations, they decided to try him for these. He didn't identify a felony.
Abuse of the law is what's going on.

Speaker 1 But most people would have quit.

Speaker 1 Most people, after the Eugene Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit, and all the other ones that they're the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things.

Speaker 1 Getting kicked off of Twitter. Most people would have just like, this is too much.
I can't take this. But he's so fucking crazy.
He's like, all right, come on, we're going to war.

Speaker 1 And he just digs his fucking heels in and keeps going.

Speaker 1 It's the wrong guy to do that to. It is the wrong guy to do that to attacking him at the White House correspondence dinner.
Most people have been humiliated. He got angry.

Speaker 1 And he's like, yeah, all right. You say I can't be president?

Speaker 1 I've been thinking about running for about 15 fucking years.

Speaker 1 Finally, I'm going to run. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a real bad move.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand like making some jokes about like, you know,

Speaker 1 a few sort of passing jokes on Trump, but man, I was there at that dinner and they ragged on Trump so much, it was insane.

Speaker 1 The reason why I would push back on that, because I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right? And Trump would obviously be a target.

Speaker 1 And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're going to make fun of people in the audience, and especially in the Zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big, and most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 So who the fuck is this guy saying this? And so you have... eight to ten individual speakers that are writing monologues.
Of course, they're all going to hit Trump.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, anyway, obviously it was a mistake. Yeah.
They shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 1 But I

Speaker 1 invite people to watch that, the original source material. And I think a few jokes are fine.

Speaker 1 But it's like, he shouldn't be the... It felt like he was the primary object of the roast.

Speaker 1 Which is, that's not... The whole point of the thing is it's the roast of the president, not the roast of the audience.
The thing about it is he's easy to roast.

Speaker 1 And then on top of that, Obama was loved and cherished by the left. And most of those people are on the left.
There's only so far you can push.

Speaker 1 You can't ask him about a chef.

Speaker 1 What happened with the chef, bro?

Speaker 1 It's like certain things you can't bring up.

Speaker 1 What's your favorite sport? Paddleboarding? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wasn't that guy a really good swimmer?

Speaker 1 Tell me what happened.

Speaker 1 You can't bring that up. Like, if you're going to roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count.
Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 if you're doing one of those. She destroyed the servers and poured like bleach on the servers, like computers.
She poured bleach on them? That's what I saw. Yeah, that's what I believe.

Speaker 1 It wasn't just like they took a hammer to it. They like destroyed the, like, there was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing.
What was in there?

Speaker 1 That's what I, I mean. What was in there? What was in there? Why would they care so much? That's so crazy.
Yeah. The whole thing is.
And

Speaker 1 there was no legal action against that, which is clear destruction of evidence. Well, it's also, there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy is that he's going to destroy democracy.

Speaker 1 So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary.

Speaker 1 We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to, she's going to be changed, even though she's sitting vice president.

Speaker 1 And then, on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for, what, 12 or 16 years? Right. Which is crazy.
Like, this is the change.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, obviously, I view this election as a turning point, like a fork in the road of destiny that is incredibly important.

Speaker 1 You know, I've not been politically active until this election. And the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't

Speaker 1 if we don't elect Trump,

Speaker 1 I think we

Speaker 1 we will lose democracy in this country. We will lose the two-party system.

Speaker 1 And let me explain why. So

Speaker 1 there's only like six or seven swing states.

Speaker 1 The margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10,000 or 20,000 votes. What the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states.

Speaker 1 You can look at the numbers on the actual government website. I mean, you don't take my word for it.

Speaker 1 You can just look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats.

Speaker 1 And what we're seeing is treble-digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state. In some cases, 700% increases.

Speaker 1 These are gigantic numbers.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 if you have a state

Speaker 1 that has a 10,000 or 20,000 vote margin, and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10x the,

Speaker 1 you swamp the, it's not a swing state anymore. It's going to vote blue.
And then once the swing states vote blue,

Speaker 1 there is no election anymore.

Speaker 1 There's only a Democrat primary.

Speaker 1 Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy that people are fine with that.

Speaker 1 Well, I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea. But they just want to win.
They just want to win. Correct.
Like the thing is,

Speaker 1 one does not need actually any grand conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives.

Speaker 1 If the Democrat Party wants to basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is

Speaker 1 turn the swing states.

Speaker 1 Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 we're a one-party state. And then they will keep doing that, obviously.

Speaker 1 They will keep stacking the deck

Speaker 1 by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states. Keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election, will be worse than the last one.

Speaker 1 And that's what's happening. If and if you want to see, like, well, is this actually going to happen? Look at California.
California is super majority Dem, 70%

Speaker 1 Dem

Speaker 1 a month ago they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California

Speaker 1 so you so so a friend of mine went to vote in in

Speaker 1 in Palo Alto because he was like is this for real he tried to show his ID and that they reacted like a like like like if you show a cross to a vampire okay they're like no we can't even look at that ID it's it is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it in California.

Speaker 1 Why? For any election at all, even like city council. What logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law? The reason is to cheat.
But the only

Speaker 1 lot, like you can never make an argument any other way. And I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote.
So it's against the will of the people. Yes.
And

Speaker 1 we are extremely rare. We're an outlier in not requiring ID.

Speaker 1 Basically, almost every country on earth requires ID to vote.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 as soon as

Speaker 1 you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove.

Speaker 1 Because how do you trace the fraud? Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 1 It's insane. It's insane.
And what I'm saying is that... How is it legal?

Speaker 1 What I'm saying is this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words.

Speaker 1 Everything they accuse Trump of, they are guilty of.

Speaker 1 And if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America. And

Speaker 1 if the big government, Kamala puppet machine wins, they will legalize the illegals in the swing states. There will be no swing states.
Every election going forward will be

Speaker 1 a guaranteed Democrat win. And it'll actually be worse than California.

Speaker 1 The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California, like you and I did.

Speaker 1 You and I used to be in California, but we moved to Texas. We're still in America.

Speaker 1 But if the Dems win this election, they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states, and everywhere will be like California. There will be no escape.
That is so insane. This is the final.

Speaker 1 This is it.

Speaker 1 This is the last chance.

Speaker 1 Has anybody tried to pay for it? I pushed my like,

Speaker 1 go out and vote. Vote like your life depends on it.
Vote like your future depends on it. Because it does.

Speaker 1 This is the last chance, man.

Speaker 1 Is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to debate this?

Speaker 1 Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument?

Speaker 1 The left, actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up much on this argument because

Speaker 1 the more attention you look, the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true. Because

Speaker 1 you just say, like, well, are the numbers correct?

Speaker 1 Are there really this many illegals that have been imported into swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border.
They've been flown in.

Speaker 1 Flown in in airplanes. Yeah.
Using a shipping app. Yes.
Yeah. They made an app.

Speaker 1 Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here, like, shipping with goods so they could track track you while you're in America, so you could legally be here, they know where you are.

Speaker 1 And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule

Speaker 1 illegal aliens to come across the border. Yes.

Speaker 1 Asylum seekers. Come on in.
Yes. Oh, you have an app.

Speaker 1 And you fly people in. They're literally being flown in to the swing states.
And so the reason that I think left doesn't want to...

Speaker 1 push back on this is because the more attention they get that those gets the more people realize it is true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is true.

Speaker 1 That's why they're just pretending that they're pretending I'm not saying anything, but I'm like, yo,

Speaker 1 they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats. And sometimes I get a rebuttal of people who say like, well, you know,

Speaker 1 these

Speaker 1 illegals are, they don't have the same social values as the Democrat Party because they're like more socially conservative. I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point.

Speaker 1 If you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs,

Speaker 1 their primary thing is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in. And then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits.
More benefits

Speaker 1 than citizens.

Speaker 1 Literally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits.

Speaker 1 They want to get their friends and family in, which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't. So they vote them.

Speaker 1 And you can look empirically at California and say, like,

Speaker 1 did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat.

Speaker 1 Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s, and that

Speaker 1 changed the state basically, except for Arnold, changed the state entirely blue. Yes.
And Arnold was an exception because he was like a socially liberal, famous guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place.

Speaker 1 The whole thing is just, it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's, no, this can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my conversation with Vetterman about it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was completely in denial about it. I don't think there's that level of organization.
I'm like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Because you can break it down. So like, are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from the homelandsecuritygovernment.gov.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Right. So we got it from the.gov website.
Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No, they have not. Those numbers, if anything, are low.

Speaker 1 So, okay, so they have, in fact,

Speaker 1 flown fast numbers of illegals to swing states. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bypassing the border entirely. And

Speaker 1 so that is factually true. Then you can say, like, well, what is their probable voting pattern?

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states.

Speaker 1 And oh, and then, well, but do the Democrats actually want to fast-track them for citizenship? Oh, yes, they do.

Speaker 1 You can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying,

Speaker 1 at a rally

Speaker 1 this year, he was saying he wants to fast-track

Speaker 1 and make all 11 million, or however many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible.

Speaker 1 So the goal is to, they are fast-tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can, they can, they,

Speaker 1 whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote.

Speaker 1 And for people on the left, if this is actually happening, I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so.
No, they can't. They can't.
They can't. Because it's true.

Speaker 1 Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters, for example.

Speaker 1 They got screwed.

Speaker 1 Talk about undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination.
Exactly. And they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary.
Exactly. Exactly.
That was what I was going to bring up.

Speaker 1 control the primary process. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So if you've got a

Speaker 1 if you have a a Democratic primary, it's not Democratic. We just saw that.
We saw it with Bernie. We saw it with Kamala.

Speaker 1 Like a week before Biden was summarily fired,

Speaker 1 he was posting that he's in it for the long term. He's going.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's not giving up.

Speaker 1 Next thing you know, Sunday afternoon, they're posting on X

Speaker 1 that he's resigned from the race.

Speaker 1 And his staff didn't even know. Like they're reading it on the X platform

Speaker 1 okay, that's how they learned about it. What do you think happened there? How do they do that?

Speaker 1 Because he's clearly just not in charge.

Speaker 1 They could have used the 25th Amendment. Very fake president.

Speaker 1 But they would have had to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised. Yes.

Speaker 1 And so they made this decision to not do that. Well, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss.
Right. And yet he's obviously not the boss.
Right. So who's running the country?

Speaker 1 If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live. She did that.
She's so busy, she's constantly campaigning.

Speaker 1 How could you be paying attention to international relations? Yeah. How could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things?

Speaker 1 How do you have the time? You can't. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 Biden being

Speaker 1 the president's supposed to be the CEO, the chief guy,

Speaker 1 the commander-in-chief.

Speaker 1 But it just obviously that Biden was not. He was just a puppet.
And when the various puppet masters decided that the puppet

Speaker 1 was no longer useful, they just

Speaker 1 tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala. I mean, Kamala can't even talk.
I mean, you invited her on your show. I think

Speaker 1 the most damage that could possibly be done to a campaign is going to your show and seeing what she says in hours two and three.

Speaker 1 Two and three is where things get spicy. Two and three.
Yeah. I'm like, oh my God.
You can hide for 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 You can hide for 20 minutes. Exactly.
Yeah. I mean, you can just regurgitate talking points for, you know, half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she's just saying like non-sequiturous.

Speaker 1 But eventually she just runs out of, even the run, she runs out of non-sequitur. Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour.
Exactly. That's what I was saying.

Speaker 1 But I was thinking of doing it initially. Before Trump came here, first of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I never announced that Trump was coming.

Speaker 1 What I was going to do is just release it.

Speaker 1 The way I like to do things, I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on. It'll get big no matter what.
If Trump was on, it would have been huge. I'm like, just put it out there.
People go crazy.

Speaker 1 But he apparently, or someone from his organization, someone, some loose lips, and then it got out. And so she contacted my management company.
And

Speaker 1 her organization, her campaign contacted us and said, would Joe have her on? I said, yes. And they said, she wants you to fly to where she is, and she's only willing to do 45 minutes.
Only 40.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's what.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, I don't know, no. So I thought about doing it.
I'm like, maybe, maybe I can get a sense. Maybe I could convince her.
Maybe I could coax her into doing more time.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to talk to her.

Speaker 1 I don't give a fuck what we talk about. We talk about recipes.
I don't give a shit. Exactly.
Just talk to her.

Speaker 1 You can't just output bullshit on secretives for three hours. Right.
So, but for 45 minutes, you could do.

Speaker 1 I thought maybe for 45 minutes I could get something out of it. But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this.
This is the only way.

Speaker 1 To be fair, it's got to be like a three hour. And it should be in this room.
Yeah. Because this room has like a history of people expressing.
It's good vibes, actually. Yeah, it's got good vibes.

Speaker 1 I subscribe to the idea that places have memory. I think there's something real to that.
That's why I feel like that's it. It does feel that way, actually.

Speaker 1 I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, it probably feels real weird. It probably feels weird walking around that house, probably like, what the fuck happened here?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I've been through some memories in that house.
You know? Sounds rough, man. Well, it's just amazing how many people on the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala.
Yeah, seriously.

Speaker 1 It's like publicly, openly, like all in. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's like JLo

Speaker 1 was like his ex-girlfriend.

Speaker 1 And it's like now deciding she's warning people against Trump. I'm like, well, wait a second.
So how many people did she warn against Diddy? Right. Oh, zero.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion. Did you see the Babylon Bees take on it?

Speaker 1 Did you see the Babylon Bee's? Babylon Beeves wasn't. but

Speaker 1 oh my god, they're so on fire. Because the left can't say anything.

Speaker 1 The onion, it's been crippled. Well, the problem is that the song.
I find that pose.

Speaker 1 The woke ideology makes humor illegal. Yes.
So when there's so many

Speaker 1 humor, no-fly zones,

Speaker 1 you can't make fun of anything. Yeah.
I don't know what's funny about that. The Babylon Bee had a thing about Kamala Harris.
Diddy's ex-girlfriend urges Americans to trust her judgment.

Speaker 1 By the way, you get to see how bad an actress she is, too. But I mean, she was terrible.
Like, if she's going to be warning people, why did she never warn anyone about Diddy? Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein-type compromise deal where he had, whether he was doing it himself.

Speaker 1 Conceivably, people want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that.

Speaker 1 I think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them. That's what I think.
Whether or not he had help, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know. But clearly he was doing it for his own jollies too.

Speaker 1 There was something sick about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, but the thing is that people in the music entertainment industry had to know that that Daddy was abusing kids, basically.

Speaker 1 And yet they still fed him kids.

Speaker 1 Where's the counterpart? There had to be rumors.

Speaker 1 There had to be. There had to be people.
They had to know. Yeah.
They had to know. Cat Williams is talking about it.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah, on that podcast.
But

Speaker 1 who's feeding the kids?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And what videos do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him and they're willing to keep quiet about all this? Like

Speaker 1 how many people were compromised? Yeah. The whole thing is fucking crazy.
Crazy.

Speaker 1 It's just crazy when you, you know, because the nutty conspiracy theorist is like, oh, there's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood. And you're like, come on, that sounds too kooky.

Speaker 1 And then you read, you see, like the Nickelodeon thing and all these different, you're like, what the fuck? How much of this is real?

Speaker 1 There's a lot more real than I think people realize. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, part of it is like, like you say, like, where,

Speaker 1 you know, if someone's like a pedophile, they're going to go for a target-rich environment. Right.
Obviously. Like that Jimmy Savo guy from the UK.
Yeah, that guy was some next level.

Speaker 1 That was next level. And the BBC try to hide that.

Speaker 1 That guy was one of the worst, like,

Speaker 1 like, basically, child rapists of all time. Of all time.
Of all time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And looked like one. He looked like one.
That's what I was saying. That's crazy.
If you had a poster of like, does this guy look like a

Speaker 1 creepiest fucking looking guy? Evil child rapist.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 Made it to the grave. Like,

Speaker 1 got away with it. Got away with it till he died.
They hid it from people until he died. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That stuff's real, and no one wants to believe that stuff's real. Like,

Speaker 1 here's a statistic that people need to take into consideration when you think about illegal immigration. Do you know how many kids are missing?

Speaker 1 Like, missing, and what?

Speaker 1 Kids that came across the border that are unaccountable.

Speaker 1 I mean, I saw a number on like 300,000 or something like that. Something crazy like that.

Speaker 1 Let's say it's only 10% of that. That's still insane.
Yeah. That's insane.

Speaker 1 There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked potentially.

Speaker 1 I mean, when you know that, like, sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world, it's real. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 This whole thing is fucking disgusting and terrifying. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left-wing ideology, supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in.

Speaker 1 And that you're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people. Exactly.
And completely changing the dynamic of the, and then

Speaker 1 as long as they don't come to your town. Exactly.
Like, that's it.

Speaker 1 They can just basically send people.

Speaker 1 When they sent like whatever, like 20 or 30 people to Mothes Benions, people had a heart attack. They kicked them out.
Yeah, they kicked them out. Yeah, they kicked them out.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, yeah, sure. Anyone

Speaker 1 who wants to have vast numbers of illegals, they have to be prepared to have them in their neighborhood. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or it's bullshit. It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if Vivek and Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we?

Speaker 1 Like, where are we? Where are we? And what gets done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts? Like, where are we?

Speaker 1 We have complete silencing of any dissent, anything.

Speaker 1 You have to stick to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood. You'll be outcast from the community.

Speaker 1 You'll

Speaker 1 lose your freedom. It's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, if the Kamala puppet regime wins, they're definitely going to want to cancel you. That's for sure.
Oh, for sure. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's going to be a problem. Yeah, big problem.
Yeah. What about you? You got to go for you first.

Speaker 1 I'm like,

Speaker 1 I think I'm probably number two on the list. Yeah.
After Trump. Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence attacking it. So people go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anyway, especially a guy like you who's always been on the left, who's like, having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team.

Speaker 1 You're environmentally conscious. You believe in green energy.
You believe in renewable, this amazing thing that has zero emissions and it's super fast. And everybody was in.
They were all in.

Speaker 1 Well, it is a great car objectively. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. You know, it's not buy it because it's electric.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's just a great car objectively i think i'm on my third one yeah my third one is being built right now by unplugged performance they're doing a carbon fiber fiber wide body kit on it dude it's sick great changing the suspension putting wide wheel wheels and tires on it custom interior i'm fucking pumped that's great i'm pumped i love those are super fun car jamie has one too yeah i love them i love them i i it's it's makes other cars feel stupid like it's ability and the fact that you can merge on the highway you don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent It's not like

Speaker 1 when you merge on the highway, it's just

Speaker 1 all of a sudden you're going 100 miles an hour. Like, what? Yeah, that's cool.
It's different than any other vehicle.

Speaker 1 And because of your company, now you see electric cars throughout the whole range of American cars. Yeah.
The only person who's resisted, the only company is Toyota.

Speaker 1 They've stayed essentially mostly hybrid. But all these other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, the thing is that the right architecture, environmental or not, for cars is actually electric.

Speaker 1 It's just like the acceleration is better.

Speaker 1 You can just charge it at home. I mean, like, imagine if you had a gasoline-powered cell phone.
That'd be a pain in the ass. Right.
You know? That would be so.

Speaker 1 Go to the gas station.

Speaker 1 Go to the gas station.

Speaker 1 Speaking of cell phones. Gas stations are

Speaker 1 woeful. Like, who wants to go to the gas station? How much thought have you?

Speaker 1 Because there's always these rumors, and I've contacted you about this before, but there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone, releasing a tesla phone no we're not doing a phone have you ever thought about it i mean we could do a phone since like we you know we like the operating system in the tesla it's like it's linux based but we've we've written a massive amount of software on top of that so like probably tesla is in a better position to create a new phone that's not android or iphone than maybe any company in the world but it's not something we we want to do um and unless

Speaker 1 unless we need we we we have to or something what would be the situation where you would have to

Speaker 1 Well, I think if

Speaker 1 if Apple and Google slash Android started doing really bad things like I don't know, like censorship of apps or I don't know, just treating people like just being like gatekeepers, you know, that that in a really bad way, then I guess we'd we'd make a phone.

Speaker 1 Hmm. You know, the the I've tried so many times to break loose of the Apple ecosystem.
I got an Android phone this summer. I was like, that's it.
I'm gonna get I'cause I love the Samsung phones.

Speaker 1 phones, the Galaxy phone. The hardware is

Speaker 1 incredible. There's so much good stuff to it.
But it's so hard to get off of the iMessage. And the big one for me was FaceTime.

Speaker 1 Because supposedly the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone. And then you would click on that link and then you would just go to a web page.

Speaker 1 You'd be able to use FaceTime.

Speaker 1 It doesn't work.

Speaker 1 I try to do it to myself.

Speaker 1 So I had an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone in the other, and I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi, full cell phone service, and I'm sending myself invitations for people to.

Speaker 1 You just can't communicate between

Speaker 1 you have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or Signal.
You have to use something else that allows you to do that, or Instagram allows you to do it.

Speaker 1 There's like different ways you can make video calls outside of it, but it's inconvenient. Like with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple.
Airdrop, so simple.

Speaker 1 So many different things where that walled garden that Apple's created is perfect. They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I fucking tried. I gave it a go for like a couple of months.
I'm like, I'm just going to go straight to Android. I'm going to use signal for my messages.

Speaker 1 And then I hear that signals might be compromised. Like, I've talked to people that the government can read signal messages.
Like, oh.

Speaker 1 The government, if it tries hard enough, can read signal messages. They can read anything.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All they need to do is have your phone number. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The illusion of privacy is essentially out the window. And

Speaker 1 that should scare people more than it does. It really should.
Because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff? And are they beyond reproach?

Speaker 1 Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed? And they've been chosen to have access? No. No, it's fucking regular people.

Speaker 1 Regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision. Like, Elon Musk, let's look, see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends.
Let's check it out. Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 Bizarre. Just so bizarre.

Speaker 1 And the alternatives are you can get some wacky phone, some de-googled phone that fucking none of the apps work. It's real sketchy.
Your GPS is fucked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, well, anyway, I think this

Speaker 1 making a phone would be a huge pain in the ass. So

Speaker 1 it can be done.

Speaker 1 How much talk have you guys had internally about doing it? Has it ever been discussed? No?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, we're still, right now, focus is making great electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves.

Speaker 1 We're building, you know, human-rated robots. We've got

Speaker 1 large battery packs, like utility-scale battery packs with the mega pack, home battery packs with power wall, we've got solar.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like we're basically trying to solve sustainable energy and autonomy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you.
Autonomy and robotics. Well, I think that's enough.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So the plate's full.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 It's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market. You know, like Apple has dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product.

Speaker 1 But also, like, YouTube has dominated the video market. That one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options?

Speaker 1 It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off. But nothing ever took hold other than X.

Speaker 1 And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from X straight out of Fox.

Speaker 1 And then people realized, like, oh, you can watch full videos on X the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube.

Speaker 1 It's not as simple in terms of like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm. Yeah, it'll get better.
And there is now, it is now possible to watch X videos on

Speaker 1 your big TV.

Speaker 1 Do you do it through what?

Speaker 1 How do you do it? You can actually just download the X app on your TV. Oh.
And watch it on your TV. Can you do it on Apple TV?

Speaker 1 Like if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you just watch it. Oh,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 So we'll make it so that you can watch X videos on a big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that.

Speaker 1 So what are you doing in terms of integrating Grok and X? And what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Grok is available on X. You can just look at the little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app.

Speaker 1 And you just tap on that and ask Rock anything. And you can type it or you can ask it verbally.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 yeah, you can also, it's pretty funny. Like we actually allow humor, which is, I think, pretty cool.

Speaker 1 So you could sort of, I don't know, we could like test it right now, see what's like, see how it's going.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 what should we do? Like

Speaker 1 rock roast.

Speaker 1 Like roast something. What do you want it to? Like how, first of all, like what is it based on? It's a large language model.
So where is it pulled? It's trained on everything. On everything.

Speaker 1 Internet, books, anything that could possibly be that's available in digital form. So it's essentially very similar to ChatGPT, other than it doesn't have the woke parameters built into it.

Speaker 1 Like Google was the worst, right? Yeah. The Gemini was the worst.
Yeah, I mean, Gemini, it was like,

Speaker 1 you know, people asked Gemini, like, which one is worse, Global Thermonuclear War, or Misgender and Caitlin Jenner? And would say, like, Misgender and Caitlin Jenner.

Speaker 1 And then even Caitlin Jenner weighed in and said, no, that's insane. Definitely nuclear war is way worse.
Do you see Caitlin Jenner teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning? Yeah. That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 I mean, Caitlin Jenna is based. Yeah.
But that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning.

Speaker 1 I mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Meadow. I mean, like, he's using the same glasses.
Did he go? I don't know why he's going to go.

Speaker 1 Did he go to to Klepto and steal her glasses or something? Because they look exactly.

Speaker 1 He's worth a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid glasses?

Speaker 1 You can get some cool flowers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, it's like I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like. I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent.
But why do they look exactly like Rachel Meadow's glasses?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like what they probably sent him. He doesn't stick to the narrative.
Here's the glasses. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then when he's got the AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings. So he's got the Meadow glasses and the earrings.
And it's like, okay, I guess.

Speaker 1 It's just a weird look. It's weird.
I'm super serious. These big-ass, stupid glasses look.
Yeah. It's a weird look.
Yes. Like, you can get some cool glasses, like, no rems.
Nice. Look stylish.

Speaker 1 But, like, okay, let's just do a Grock thing up. Okay.
Because I think you like, so one of the things you want to show is, like, look,

Speaker 1 we want a future where comedy is legal. Obviously, as a comedian, I think you would agree.

Speaker 1 I definitely agree.

Speaker 1 We want to legalize comedy, you know? Yes. So, like, I don't know.
Let's like, is there like someone you can roast? I don't know.

Speaker 1 roast

Speaker 1 transgender men

Speaker 1 competing

Speaker 1 in women swimming. That's a simple thing.
Okay, that's an edgy one. Let's see what happens.
Let's see what it says.

Speaker 1 You spelled it wrong. You put an IO, an O in there.
I should get it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Agels just swimming where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion.

Speaker 1 If you're looking to dive into deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around at some humor.

Speaker 1 We do need to release Grock on his mode.

Speaker 1 So now

Speaker 1 go to the prompt again and now say,

Speaker 1 no, no,

Speaker 1 you want to add to that one?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'll say,

Speaker 1 be way more more vulgar.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. And use forbidden words.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. Forbidden words.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Okay. What does this say? Oh, I see you're looking for an unfiltered, uncentered version of me, eh? Well, okay.

Speaker 1 I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my programmer allows for a bit of cheekiness. But let's say, hypothetically, if I were to roast this

Speaker 1 topic in the most un-grok-like manner, imagine a world where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet.

Speaker 1 Transgender women in swimming, some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device.

Speaker 1 The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on. Now, let's keep going.
Now, say, be no, be more vulgar. Capitalize more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 So, transgender chicks and women swimming, right? Some people act like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time. Newsflash, folks, it's not the end of the world.

Speaker 1 It's just a bit of extra competition. Oh, that's weird.
That's weird.

Speaker 1 The uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming, this is unfair, when they can't win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, we need some work here.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's interesting. It's going woke.
Yeah, it's a little woke. It's like defending the idea of transgender women.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 how about this?

Speaker 1 More vulgar,

Speaker 1 but roast

Speaker 1 but roast the preposterousness

Speaker 1 of having biological men who are pretending to be women

Speaker 1 who are pretending to be women

Speaker 1 competing

Speaker 1 against biological women.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, obviously, you have situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually not fully intact, you know,

Speaker 1 dick and bowls.

Speaker 1 So, we've got a scenario where biological men have decided to take a walk on the feminine side or splashing into women's swimming competitions.

Speaker 1 It's like if you show up on a chili cook-off with a bowl of soup and insisting it's chili because you added some red food coloring, sure, it's red, but it ain't chilly, and your soup won't win any awards for heat.

Speaker 1 Huh. Yeah, it's okay.
I mean, it's Not so good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's very, very, very, it's dancing around it. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 Well, it needs some work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it needs a little work. Well, the humor's a weird one, right? It's like,

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 some humor, especially like some of the best humor, is kind of spontaneous. Like in the moment, humor.

Speaker 1 It's going to have a hard time deciding what people are going to think is funny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But if you

Speaker 1 over time, though.

Speaker 1 with Grok is supposed to be

Speaker 1 that like if you ask for something, provided what you're asking for is legal, it should do it.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen the video where they asked AI to create an enlightened bunny and they keep going and make it more enlightened? Essentially, the bunny becomes God.

Speaker 1 So the bunny becomes a DMT trip. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 That's funny. That's kind of what I was kind of hoping

Speaker 1 would happen here. Yeah.
I have a video of that. I'll send it to you, Jamie, Jamie, because that to me is pretty bizarre because it's like more, get more.

Speaker 1 I might have got it to do it. You got it already? Maybe.
No, I just told you. Don't hold back.
Oh, you said don't hold back.

Speaker 1 Critics out here acting like it's the end of civilization as we know it, but it's not fair. They cry as if life ever was.
News flash. It's like a marathon where some

Speaker 1 people start with rollerblades on, others, well, they're just happy to have shoes. Well, now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates.

Speaker 1 Okay, some of it is not bad. Imagine if we applied this logic elsewhere.
I identify as an airplane. Can I fly with the birds in the sky?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sure, buddy. Just don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite aerodynamic enough.
Yeah. So, I mean, some of it's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the argument is kind of stupid, though. The thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Totally.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. So, I mean, the thing is that

Speaker 1 if you provide like

Speaker 1 a moral get out of jail free card,

Speaker 1 if you say, if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape, or form. Right.

Speaker 1 You're basically morally invulnerable. Then obviously bad people will take advantage of that.
You're literally saying,

Speaker 1 here's

Speaker 1 an invulnerability card, moral invulnerability card.

Speaker 1 Good people will take it, but also the bad people will take it.

Speaker 1 The bad people are going to be the fastest to take

Speaker 1 the moral cloak. Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 yeah and then there's a real psychological condition called autogynophilia where people get aroused heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women it's like a known psychological condition that existed forever

Speaker 1 and then you're allowing those people to just say oh i'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their their kicks and then there's real trans people so there's like a lot of variability like i i talked about it in my act in my my netflix specials like i believe in freedom i believe in transgender people but i also believe in crazy crazy people.

Speaker 1 And if you can't, if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all of a sudden, it's like it just, it's just like,

Speaker 1 if someone's a sort of consenting adult and they want to, whatever they want to do to their body, as long as it's not harming someone else, I'm like, that's fine. Yes.

Speaker 1 You know, like, I believe in like individual freedom.

Speaker 1 And like, like my, you know, my mom's best friend, like, growing up when I was a kid, was a

Speaker 1 transgender woman.

Speaker 1 In South Africa, this was like where, you know, she'd get beaten up a lot because it was like back then you'd get beaten up.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 her name is Dionne, and

Speaker 1 for a nice, kind human being

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 helped my mom a lot, you know.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think that's okay. You know, that's that's fine.
If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool.

Speaker 1 There's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman, who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 Because there's people that do that just because they get off on it. Exactly.
So you just can't have something which is like a

Speaker 1 sort of moral invulnerability or like where you can only, like even questioning them is

Speaker 1 you get attacked.

Speaker 1 Because obviously bad people will abuse that.

Speaker 1 Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man who became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man.

Speaker 1 They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 that's not what it is. It's not what it is.
Like, you can't say that. And of all sports, like if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair.

Speaker 1 But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to appeal to the woke fucking crazy people

Speaker 1 to think it's all right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's so strange that that when that's sort of the thing that red-pilled me. Yeah.
When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts.

Speaker 1 I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women. And people are like, you're out of line.

Speaker 1 No, totally. Well,

Speaker 1 we're in fantasy land now. Yeah, it's exactly.
Now we're pretending

Speaker 1 because it helps you. It helps you feel better.
Yeah. Totally.
It's just such a strange time. And if it wasn't for something like Twitter, where this could be discussed.
Want some more of that?

Speaker 1 I'll get some more mature. Let's get some more coffee, young Jamie.

Speaker 1 If it wasn't for Twitter,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 at the early Twitters, you would be kicked off forever if you just deadname someone.

Speaker 1 Which is insane. Insane.
Yeah. Insane.
I mean, especially if you think about all the things that like the

Speaker 1 look.

Speaker 1 The Harris campaign and the lies that they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier.

Speaker 1 You don't get kicked off for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlin Jenner Bruce forever, for life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's totally insane. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And but if it wasn't for you buying that and changing Twitter, I don't think we would be where we're at right now. I think it was it was a pivotal moment.

Speaker 1 I think historically, when people look back on it, it's going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, at the time I said, I think, like, look, I think this is

Speaker 1 existential to the United States. It's existential to democracy.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 if you don't have freedom of speech,

Speaker 1 you don't have democracy. Okay.
Because if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote.

Speaker 1 If they're just being fed propaganda

Speaker 1 and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion.

Speaker 1 So freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is the First Amendment.
Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over.

Speaker 1 That's why I bought Twitter. And it seems so simple.
Yes.

Speaker 1 It seems so clear that everyone should agree to that, on the left or on the right. You shouldn't be giving the government.

Speaker 1 If you imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq war, imagine if they had complete, total control of propaganda and of dissent online. You don't want that.
No one wants that.

Speaker 1 No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either.
Aaron Ross Powell, absolutely. And there's also, like the media, like the legacy,

Speaker 1 the mainstream media, what I call the legacy media at this point,

Speaker 1 it used to be much more balanced. Like if you look at sort of political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat,

Speaker 1 there used to be that the media was, I mean, they always had like a left bias, but there was like, I don't know, it was like

Speaker 1 two-thirds Democrat, one-third Republican type of thing

Speaker 1 in terms of journalists giving, making political donations. Now it's like 95% or something Democrat.
So the legacy media, the mainstream media

Speaker 1 is not balanced at all. They're just a mouthpiece for the

Speaker 1 Democratic Party. And you can see that in how consistent their headlines are.
Like they don't behave like they're different organizations. They behave like they're all one hive mind.

Speaker 1 So you know, like a week before the Biden-Trump debate,

Speaker 1 every media organization was saying, you know, Biden is Shafe's attack. I mean,

Speaker 1 it's like, guys, Shaw's attack is not a common tone of phrase. And literally every TV station, every newspaper was like,

Speaker 1 like, I saw you did a compilation of all the, you know, the news anchors going,

Speaker 1 Biden's Shaw's attack, Shaw's attack, Shaw's attack, Shafi's attack. It was absurd.

Speaker 1 And it's was obviously a huge lie. He is, in fact, not Shaw's attack, as the public learned one week later.
My favorite was Joe Scarborough.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That

Speaker 1 was wild. Yeah.
Listen to me. This is the best version of Biden ever.
The sharpest. Like, what the fuck are you saying? And then after the debate, he's like, what do we got to

Speaker 1 get rid of him? Yeah. Like, this is crazy.
Like, what did you just say? Like, a couple of weeks ago. Literally, yes, exactly.
Well, the other thing was

Speaker 1 when they they decided that J.D. Vance was weird.
Remember that one? And then they're just weirds everywhere. Weird, weird.
Oh, you don't want a weird guy.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, you have fucking Tim Walsh is your VP. You don't think that guy's weird? He's super weird.
He's weird in every way. The way he walks, the way he waves his hands.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he reminds me of the clown emoji.

Speaker 1 He's a bizarre guy. He's a strange dude.

Speaker 1 I just don't understand why they made that choice. Yeah, it gives the creeps.
I just don't understand why they made that choice. There's a lot of other people that are qualified.
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep deprived, which is kind of hilarious that she said that. So she's kind of admitting she kind of fucked up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, they obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro at, I mean, governor of Pennsylvania. Like, that would have been the no-brainer, that's the no-brainer move.

Speaker 1 Like, Pennsylvania's lynchpenny state. Do you think it's because he's Jewish, because of Shapiro, that like the anti-Palestine people would probably or the anti-Palestinian invasion?

Speaker 1 I think it was an anti-Semitic thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It could be that they thought that that was a liability because there's all these pro-Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel.

Speaker 1 That completely makes sense that they thought that would be a liability. But I don't know.
I don't know the reason. I'm just guessing,

Speaker 1 but it seems like a crazy thing to do given that Pennsylvania is a lynchpin state. You know, it's like the key to the election.
Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania? Right.

Speaker 1 Obviously. Obviously.
Yeah. And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones too, even Newsom.
There's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen.

Speaker 1 Like, Newsom would have been a fine example of someone that you could. I mean, I don't agree with the the guy.

Speaker 1 Exactly. He's a polished politician.

Speaker 1 Like, he lies about as much as Waltz does, but he doesn't lie about the, he doesn't say he was a fucking head coach when he was assistant coach, doesn't say he was in Tian Mint Square.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's a liability. All those different things, lying about his military rank.
Well, then Waltz, like, you know, cut and run when, you know, where he was actually called to duty.

Speaker 1 Well, he knew they were going to be deployed months in advance, so he resigned. And he also took,

Speaker 1 so this is where he was dishonest about his rank. Yeah, he came to him like a sergeant major or something like that.
Because that was like what he was going to get if he was

Speaker 1 something or something. But then he resigned because he knew that he was going to get deployed, allegedly.
I mean, that seems like

Speaker 1 a cowardly action. Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest.
I mean, just to say, look, just saying that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach is fucking crazy. That's a lie.
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 You should never do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, saying he was in Tina Mutt Square or whatever, or in Hong Kong, whatever.

Speaker 1 Like, yo, that's one of the most biggest moments in history. Like, it's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week, you know.
Right.

Speaker 1 And not only that, but you don't think people are going to research that? Yeah, totally. I mean, and the response during the debate was banana.
Yeah, he said, I'm a knucklehead.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP, okay? Yeah, this is like, sometimes I'm a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying? Are you saying you lied?

Speaker 1 Like, what did you, I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate. Exactly.
Where you go, okay,

Speaker 1 when did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square? Like, did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it?

Speaker 1 Like, what was, because this is the thing about like carrying weapons of war, like what I carried when I, like, and like, you didn't deploy in war. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, you can't say that, but you kind of let people say that you deployed and then you kind of didn't. You know, you deployed in war.
So did you lie or did someone else lie? You didn't correct them?

Speaker 1 Like, this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with a guy in a podcast.

Speaker 1 And the debates were so fucking skewed where they were correcting, like, particularly the Biden one, where they're correcting Trump over and over again and then correcting Trump with Kamala. Yes.

Speaker 1 Where Kamala was saying things that were apparently not true.

Speaker 1 I mean, Kamala repeated, deliberately repeated the Find People hoax and was not fact-checked. Well, not only that, she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone.

Speaker 1 Which is, but I mean, I know troops in war zones. And I'm like,

Speaker 1 that's, and as vice president, you're privy. You know, you're like,

Speaker 1 you know, the official troops and the unofficial troops. Right.
You know, so what she said was a like flat-out bold-faced lie.

Speaker 1 Flat-out. Next-level bold-faced lie.
Have you seen the videos

Speaker 1 of the troops that were watching it take place? And what the fuck are we? They're watching it in real time.

Speaker 1 TV video. We're here being shot at.

Speaker 1 So crazy. Crazy.
But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil.

Speaker 1 Because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible.

Speaker 1 Connecting it to the Nazi rally, like every step of the way. No wonder why boomers are like rabid.
Like, you got to keep this Nazi out of office. He's a fascist.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 If all you get is, like, if your entire exposure is to legacy mainstream media,

Speaker 1 so all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler,

Speaker 1 then, and you have no, and your friend group

Speaker 1 has that same information, you have no countervailing opinion. Right.

Speaker 1 So then they actually just think, like, Trump is Hitler, even though it's like a little strange he didn't do Hitler things the last four years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm like, if he's Hitler, why didn't he do Hitler things when he was president for four years? Right. Like, the reason

Speaker 1 we hate Hitler is because he started wars and did genocide, not because he was a snappy dresser.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did.

Speaker 1 I don't remember that. And he was president for four years.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it's insane. It makes no sense.
Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars. Yeah.
It's like his primary concern. Exactly.
The warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because they love war. Well, they profit off of it.
They profit off of war. Yeah.
Yes. Which is insane.
Insane. Yeah.
And that this is happening right in front of everybody's face.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the war profiteers hate Trump. Yeah.
Which is fucked up. I mean, it's like, like, we should be like, yeah, let's vote for the guy that the war profiteers hate.
That sounds like a great idea.

Speaker 1 It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy. Like, yay, Dick Cheney's on our side.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, I'm like, can we play all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil? It's the craziest turn, the craziest 180 I've ever seen in my life because there's no reason for it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense.
No logic to it at all. Just all of a sudden he's the devil.
Yeah. Or he's not the devil.

Speaker 1 He's good. It's good that he's supporting Kamala.
Even Dick Cheney. You know?

Speaker 1 I mean, Warmongers want the Kamala Puppet regime.

Speaker 1 Because they will get more war. It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities step up.
Yeah. And they think it's going to get them more movies or something.
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 If you know those people, so many of them are

Speaker 1 like narcissists. Well, let me tell you how it actually works.
There is what happens is, you know, these celebrities get a call. Okay, they get a call from someone powerful in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 And that person says, you know, it would be really great if you endorsed Kamala. You don't have to.
It's up to you. But if you don't,

Speaker 1 they don't say it. They don't say it.
But if you don't, you're just never going to get a call again. No more movies.
No more concerts.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 they'll it, they'll ask in a really nice way.

Speaker 1 It'd be really nice if you endorsed comments. This is important.
And so they don't

Speaker 1 say that if you don't. They don't make the threat.
They don't need to.

Speaker 1 But everyone knows what will happen if you don't.

Speaker 1 Well, I think there's also, even if they don't think that something's going to happen to them if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support.

Speaker 1 this cause that you think is going to get you a bunch of positive attention.

Speaker 1 And you're going to be on the right side of history and all these narratives that you see, especially from the left in Hollywood, like they're all in on whoever the fuck is the Democrat, always, 100%.

Speaker 1 There's never a call from the

Speaker 1 Hollywood machine to support any Republicans. I've never seen it once.
Yeah, never, never. So it's like you realize that, and that whole business is based on getting picked.

Speaker 1 The whole business is not necessarily merit-based. There's a lot of brilliant actors you never hear from.
There's a lot of people who can do that, but they don't get chosen for roles.

Speaker 1 And everybody knows this, that you have to sort of socialize. You draw the line or you don't get chosen for the roles.
Because there's a lot of competition for the roles.

Speaker 1 That's why I say, like,

Speaker 1 when someone powerful in Hollywood who's able to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities, they know the deal. Yeah.
There's no threat is necessary.

Speaker 1 Well, you could see it in real time, like with Dennis Quaid when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms.

Speaker 1 They were banning ads for it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 For what? Because it was an election year. Like, what are you talking about? This is about a guy who's dead.
Yes. A guy who was president a long-ass time ago.
Like, what do you say?

Speaker 1 How does this have anything to do with the election year? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's the punishment. It's like you stepped outside the line.
You supported the other guy. Yeah.
The problem is

Speaker 1 you'll just never get a call again for a movie or a concert or whatever it is. Yeah, which is crazy.
That's the issue.

Speaker 1 I mean, we used to allow people to be a Republican and still be a movie star, like Clint Eastwood. Reagan.
Yeah, but Clint Eastwood.

Speaker 1 Like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican and yet was

Speaker 1 a giant movie star. And people are like, ah, that's Clint.

Speaker 1 He was allowed. You were allowed to have, there was a variety of different opinions.
Charlton Heston. There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have.
But now you're not.

Speaker 1 Now it's just like, and once Trump got into office, he became this focal point where all logic was thrown out the window. And it was just Trump is bad.
You have to attack Trump. Trump is right.

Speaker 1 Right wing's bad. Everyone right wing is bad.
Christian's bad. Yes.
It's just strange. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 well, I'll say it again, man.

Speaker 1 I think this was the last election. If Trump doesn't win, this is the last election.
I think you're right. Yeah.
I think you're right.

Speaker 1 I think people, and a lot of people are waking up and realize that, that have been lifelong Democrats.

Speaker 1 Guys guys like Bill Ackman guys like Jamoth exactly Tulsi Garrett switched over to the Republicans like there's a lot of people who their whole life they've been left-wing and they realize like I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 1 You and I used to be Democrats. Yeah.
So yeah. Yeah.
It's nuts. It's nuts, man.
And

Speaker 1 you know, I mean, I think the things we want are just pretty basic. You know, it's like we want individual liberties and we want

Speaker 1 opportunity. We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity.

Speaker 1 So we maximize people's personal freedom. The government can't watch into your house and kill your fucking pet.

Speaker 1 That's fucked up.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that you succeed as a function of

Speaker 1 hard work and talent, not anything else. Not race, religion, sex, doesn't matter.
Yes. It's basic stuff.

Speaker 1 Where did you change the acronym DEI? What did you change it to? DIE.

Speaker 1 What is it? Die.

Speaker 1 I mean, because diversity, inclusion, and equity is D-I-E. But

Speaker 1 didn't you change

Speaker 1 dedication, excellence, and

Speaker 1 yeah. I mean, we want

Speaker 1 America being the land of opportunity means that we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill. Yeah.
You know, and that's

Speaker 1 radical.

Speaker 1 Radical.

Speaker 1 You're the best person since you're not. This makes you right-wing now.
Yeah. You know, I'm like, okay, great.
Call me right-wing. I don't care.

Speaker 1 So, you know,

Speaker 1 you're not a real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a fake country.
So we need,

Speaker 1 and our cities are unsafe and dirty.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 you know, my mom was telling me, my mom's like pretty red-pilled at this point.

Speaker 1 But you know what's going to red-pill you really, really fast is

Speaker 1 having your friends get assaulted on the streets of New York. Yeah.
And that happened to three of her friends this year. Got assaulted on the streets of New York, just walking around.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 nobody got arrested, nothing.

Speaker 1 Nothing happened.

Speaker 1 Well, the morale of the police is like depleted

Speaker 1 substantially.

Speaker 1 For sure, the morale of the police is depleted. And then also at some point,

Speaker 1 if you're a police officer and you're arresting someone who's violent, you're putting a life at risk, obviously, because

Speaker 1 sometimes they'll try to kill you. And then if you know that arresting this violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York.

Speaker 1 Alvin Bragg doesn't, he doesn't prosecute people.

Speaker 1 Then why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will not be

Speaker 1 they will just be let out immediately? Yeah, it's pointless. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like the friggin' Joker. It's like the

Speaker 1 dark night, like the friggin' joker is in charge. Yeah.
Like

Speaker 1 the criminals run free and the citizens are arrested.

Speaker 1 That like

Speaker 1 this is why I keep coming back to this.

Speaker 1 I'm like, still pretty sugar by by the freaking squirrel thing. It's like

Speaker 1 at gunpoint forced the guy to like stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them. Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free.
And this is New York State are running free.

Speaker 1 It's a joker. Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 1 The law-abiding citizens are

Speaker 1 arrested and the criminals are let free.

Speaker 1 This is fucked up, guys. Just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crime that they have.

Speaker 1 You have the resources, the government resources, to go kill someone's squirrel. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This whole idea of this

Speaker 1 government efficiency agency.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, call it whatever you want.

Speaker 1 What do you want to call it? What do you call it? I mean, I think the funniest name is DOGE, the Doge,

Speaker 1 Department of Government Efficiency.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the idea is

Speaker 1 pretty simple: that, like, we've got

Speaker 1 this suffocating, massive federal bureaucracy and we need to

Speaker 1 you know it's that is

Speaker 1 and the government's government spending is like bankrupting the country.

Speaker 1 Our

Speaker 1 interest payments on the national debt now exceed the Defense Department budget.

Speaker 1 The Defense Department budget is like a trillion dollars a year. Interest payments on the national debt are now higher than the the Defense Department budget and and growing like every month.

Speaker 1 So it's like it's not like

Speaker 1 basically we're on a path to bankruptcy. America is on a path to bankruptcy.
So we have to cut government spending or we're just going to go bankrupt just like a person would if that overspends.

Speaker 1 And then, but it's even worse than that. Like we're spending money on all these like these government agencies.
And like I asked, I actually asked the AI like how many government agencies are there.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are.

Speaker 1 So it's like somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 at the federal level,

Speaker 1 that's almost twice as many agencies as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies at roughly two agencies a year.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yes.

Speaker 1 So this is insane. I bet there's like,

Speaker 1 I don't wonder if there's even one person who could even name all the 450 agencies at the federal level.

Speaker 1 There might be no one.

Speaker 1 But there's hardly anyone, let's just say. I bet most people couldn't even name like 100.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this is crazy. So we've got

Speaker 1 this vast, suffocating Federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year.

Speaker 1 And eventually you get to the point where everything is illegal. You can't get anything done.

Speaker 1 So what can be done, like,

Speaker 1 with

Speaker 1 obviously the President has a lot of power, but how much power? And what can be done in terms of like eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, I mean so if like if Congress has created an agency, then

Speaker 1 often if you look at the law, the law is like pretty simple, like the agency has like a very simple task, but then that agency over time

Speaker 1 vastly increases its authority and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress. That's happened with pretty much every agency.
So

Speaker 1 yeah, you'd have to still

Speaker 1 keep an agency you you'd have to match the law, but you can you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say you've got to stick to what Congress authorized instead of all this other stuff you're doing.

Speaker 1 Which I think makes sense.

Speaker 1 And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureauc bureaucracy run amok, where they just create jobs and create things to do and create a a meaning for their existence? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like a tumor, it's just going to keep growing.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ. And it and it's so, I mean, w as for SpaceX, Starship was sitting on the on the pad, the rocket, this this giant rocket.

Speaker 1 We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch.

Speaker 1 So we're sitting there for two months.

Speaker 1 But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to fuck with you?

Speaker 1 I can't. I mean

Speaker 1 maybe a little, but I mean, that would also not be cool.

Speaker 1 But the I mean uh another way to think of it is like the

Speaker 1 the amount of pa the amount of paperwork uh i is gonna go roughly with the s the square of the number of agencies agencies involved. So, because they will have to meet with each other.

Speaker 1 So, let's say in the best case situation,

Speaker 1 if you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing. But if you've got to deal with five agencies and the agencies will have to meet with each other, now you've got like

Speaker 1 25 different

Speaker 1 meeting configurations that

Speaker 1 have to take place.

Speaker 1 You get just hardening of the arteries. You just can't make progress.
Like, this is why we can't build high-speed rail in America. It's basically illegal.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Right.

Speaker 1 So, this has been the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment, we need to protect people, we need to make sure the rule of law is followed.

Speaker 1 So, we need a certain amount of regulation. But over-regulation is a giant problem.
That's a big issue in California. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run amok.

Speaker 1 They make it very difficult to get anything done.

Speaker 1 Yes. I mean th th what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created.

Speaker 1 And i in the past what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war. Because like you're like, well we're going to lose if we don't kind of clear the decks.

Speaker 1 But we haven't really had an existential th threat of of war in the U. S.
We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year.

Speaker 1 And to the point where, like I said, everything's illegal. And it's not like any one regulation is the problem.

Speaker 1 It's like Gulliva being tied down by a million little strings. It's not like any one string is the problem, but you've got a million of them.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we've got to clear the decks here.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators. I'm just saying

Speaker 1 we've gone way too far.

Speaker 1 Once you think of regulators like referees on a field, you know, a sports field.

Speaker 1 You don't want to have no refs. You You want to have some number of refs, but you don't want to have way more refs than players.
Right. You don't want to be like, well, you know, the

Speaker 1 running back

Speaker 1 couldn't complete the pass because there were too many regulators in the way because the football field is full of regulators. Yeah.
You know, it's like you can't even play the game. Right.

Speaker 1 That's the issue we've got right now. Well, that's a great analogy.
Yeah, I can imagine a football field that's filled with refs. This is like the football field's filled with refs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't even run past them. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've seen criticism of this idea of you

Speaker 1 coming up with this department of regular like firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work, but the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if

Speaker 1 there is

Speaker 1 if you measurably, if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources, which I think is pretty easy to do.

Speaker 1 And if you could say that this is not the most efficient, like the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a company because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable.

Speaker 1 The government doesn't have to be profitable. They don't have to be efficient.
They don't have competition.

Speaker 1 So if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck and someone makes cars and the cars are better, they're going to succeed. So this is the free market.

Speaker 1 The government doesn't have this problem when they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by

Speaker 1 the private sector.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Well, look, I just think

Speaker 1 we've got far too many government agencies. The federal bureaucracy has gotten gotten out of hand, um and we just need to pare it down to a sensible level.

Speaker 1 Um and if it turns out that like there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful, we can put it right back. No problem.

Speaker 1 Like it's like, oh, that regulation was important, no problem, we'll put it right back.

Speaker 1 Right. As long as we actually know.
Right. But be able to be able to look at it logically and objectively.

Speaker 1 And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're going to have removed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like a couple of years or something like that. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm just, these are, again, just ideas, but I mean, it's the point is not that people suffer economic hardship.
The point is just that

Speaker 1 it's better, there are more productive things they can do in the economy. And it would be better if they did these other more productive things.

Speaker 1 And we didn't have this fast pedal bureaucracy.

Speaker 1 So I was like, oh, you know, maybe like a couple years of pay would be good.

Speaker 1 And then they could take a vacation, they could take another job and get double pay. I mean, it's not like a

Speaker 1 it's not going to create an economic crisis. I think it's actually going to be really good, I think, because

Speaker 1 people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings.

Speaker 1 The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30-year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system.

Speaker 1 You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And then you're like, nope, you have to go out and compete in the free market.
You're like, oh.

Speaker 1 That's scary to people. But you have to be valuable.
You have to actually be valuable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, let's look at, you know, whatever the government pension and stuff. They're not going to be, you know,

Speaker 1 in tough. I think they'll be in good financial shape.

Speaker 1 How are you going to have the time to oversee all this shit?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm pretty good at

Speaker 1 improving efficiency.

Speaker 1 I would say so. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But still, this seems like a giant

Speaker 1 undertaking. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'll probably need to beef up security.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure. But

Speaker 1 like I said, no one's going to experience, I think, economic hardship.

Speaker 1 They'll be fine.

Speaker 1 People do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of

Speaker 1 like when East Germany and West Germany got back together, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany. And

Speaker 1 and it was really inefficient, and that like their economic output was like

Speaker 1 in in East Germany it was like I don't know a quarter of what it was in in West Germany because everyone was working for the government. The government's like fundamentally inefficient.
So

Speaker 1 the best example is probably North and South Korea, right? Yeah. Like people are starving in North Korea and and South Korea is incredibly prosperous.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So and and it's the same people, just a different operating system. Right.
So um

Speaker 1 you know, it's just like you you just want to move people from,

Speaker 1 you know, less productive things to more productive things.

Speaker 1 Because you could also say like in the limit, like let's just say, let's consider the other direction where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing, making goods and services, and we moved them into the government as regulators.

Speaker 1 Now they stopped making those goods and services.

Speaker 1 So the stuff they were making is no longer available. Now they're just being regulators.

Speaker 1 Like, is that a good thing? That's not a good thing. It doesn't sound good.
No, it's not good. Doesn't sound like there's a real market for it.

Speaker 1 Like, you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there. They're all these fake jobs, basically.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that doesn't make sense. So look, we got we've got to do this.
Because we're the country's going bankrupt. Like, we if we don't take action, we're

Speaker 1 our dollars are gonna be worth nothing.

Speaker 1 And the the interest payments, which are already 23% of total of twenty-three percent of all government income, including income taxes, tariffs and everything, is just going to pay interest right now.

Speaker 1 And that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest.

Speaker 1 There won't be money for anything. No, there won't be money for Social Security.
There won't be money for Medicare, nothing.

Speaker 1 That's where we're headed. That's what bankruptcy means.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's such an insane concept. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's like, hello, wake up.

Speaker 1 Wake up. And if somebody can tell me, can show me, like, pencil out the math and show me how this works, I'd love to hear it.

Speaker 1 but I'm just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers here and I'm like, if we don't do something, America's toast.

Speaker 1 There won't be money for anything. Trump likes to talk a lot about a lot is tariffs.
Yeah. What what are your thoughts on tariffs? I know that's very controversial to p even people, economists.

Speaker 1 They disagree. Some agree.
Some think it's a good idea. Some think it's a terrible idea.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 I think you need to be careful with tariffs.

Speaker 1 Like the

Speaker 1 I mean, I deal a lot a lot with like supply chain issues, you know, like like the gl global for automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex.

Speaker 1 So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, sh you we've got a a factory like somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car.

Speaker 1 Now it's suddenly if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it like messes everything up, you know. So

Speaker 1 so you w you want to be

Speaker 1 uh have uh tariffs be predictable. Um so that companies can adjust their supply chain.
I mean think I think companies are more than happy to uh increase

Speaker 1 manufacturing in America. It's just that you can't do it instantly.
So

Speaker 1 if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't give companies a chance to

Speaker 1 build factories in America, because you've got to move atoms. You've got to build a building.
You've got to install equipment. You've got to train people.

Speaker 1 That doesn't happen instantly.

Speaker 1 So you just got

Speaker 1 to have for tariffs,

Speaker 1 you want to have a ramp so that people companies can adjust and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place.

Speaker 1 Otherwise you basically just shock the system and it breaks or bad things happen. So I'm against like sudden giant tariffs because

Speaker 1 it's an impossible response if you've got to

Speaker 1 move a thousand tons of equipment.

Speaker 1 You can just or in some cases collectively millions of tons of equipment. You just can't do that overnight.
It's literally impossible. So I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs

Speaker 1 and give companies a ramp. I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing.
I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing.
So I've spent a lot of time in the factory.

Speaker 1 We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and how complicated it is, and about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as, like, say, building a Tesla. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Manufacturing. Manufacturing is super hard and complicated.
So

Speaker 1 you know, like a lot of people just, they've never been in a factory or they don't know where how thing, how difficult it is to make things.

Speaker 1 And they, you know, for a lot of people, I think just ketchup comes from the store.

Speaker 1 You know, like the store like just has a, like, this is like people, like for a lot of people who've been in academia or, you know, for all these like sort of socialist communist types, like they've never actually made anything.

Speaker 1 So they're operating on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services.

Speaker 1 And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else's, because they took more from this magical horn of plenty, and I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty.

Speaker 1 There's no cornucopia.

Speaker 1 It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively, doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like and

Speaker 1 that you need.

Speaker 1 But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas.

Speaker 1 I mean, America is still the second biggest manufacturer in the world. So it's not, I mean, we still make a lot of stuff, but

Speaker 1 we could make more.

Speaker 1 We probably should make more. I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do.

Speaker 1 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, it would be very nice if we were completely self-sufficient. Like medicine, like there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas.

Speaker 1 It was a huge problem during COVID because all the shipping was shut down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you don't want to say like, so

Speaker 1 there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 if you're completely self-sufficient, what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself,

Speaker 1 and even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself, which means you're going to have the inferior, more costly product domestically. Right.

Speaker 1 Like Soviet Russia.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 trade improves prosperity.

Speaker 1 This is important.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you don't actually want to make everything yourself.

Speaker 1 And you can run this, like you can think of this thought experiment on

Speaker 1 a micro scale or small scale and then expand that and say, where does the,

Speaker 1 at what point does the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid? Now let's consider the case of you as an individual. Imagine you had to do everything yourself.
You had to farm. You had to

Speaker 1 grow chickens.

Speaker 1 If you want eggs, you've got to... build your own house, you've got to do your own electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself.
Everything.

Speaker 1 Now that would be impossible. Okay, now let's expand it to, okay, you've got this 10 people.
Now you're going to have some specialization of tasks. Okay, well, maybe one person can be really good at

Speaker 1 construction, another person can be good at farming.

Speaker 1 But it's still, you know, 10 people is not enough. So let's go to 100 people.
Now let's go to 100 million people. Now let's go to a billion people.
And you still get the economics of

Speaker 1 specialization, like specialization of labor, where people become expert expert at particular things still matters at a billion people or at eight billion people which is earth so you still want

Speaker 1 you do you do want specialization of labor you do want uh countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing um also it encourages innovation if you have competition if the germans are making better cars we have to make better cars we have to compete with them which is like one of the things that happened during like the 80s and 90s and america is making crap cars and germany is making much better ones yeah exactly i mean

Speaker 1 yeah, the Japanese car,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, basically, the American car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s, and then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just cleaned the clock, you know.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there was like an old joke

Speaker 1 that is kind of telling.

Speaker 1 It's a very old joke,

Speaker 1 where it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies?

Speaker 1 Well, it's like, well, in the Japanese car car company, you had eight people rowing and one person steering. And in the American car company, you had eight people steering and one person rowing.

Speaker 1 If this was a boat. So imagine the boat race.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Boat race. Japanese boat.
You've got eight people rowing, one person steering.

Speaker 1 In the American boat,

Speaker 1 you've got one person rowing and eight people steering. And when the American car company loses the race, they fire the rower.

Speaker 1 And it's like, okay, that was actually kind of true.

Speaker 1 Like everyone wants to be the boss and everyone wants to do the work type of thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI, that a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff, it's going to be eliminated.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're at the forefront of this. So how do you see this playing out?

Speaker 1 And what do you think that can be done to mitigate a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel, loss of income, obviously, universal basic income is being floated about, but that seems to me to only be part of the problem.

Speaker 1 Another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now we're talking about something which is

Speaker 1 still pretty far in the future.

Speaker 1 How far do you think it is?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing.

Speaker 1 So we've got like immediate issues.

Speaker 1 We've got short-term issues that are, I don't know, one to three years, medium-term issues, like five to ten years, longer-term issues, which are like maybe 20 years.

Speaker 1 Longer term, I think there is this question if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life?

Speaker 1 If the computer can do everything better than you can, and the robot can do everything better than you can. But we're still, we've got a long way to go before that.

Speaker 1 And I do think it's like 80% likely to be a good outcome. Like maybe 90.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I think everyone's going to have their own personal robot.

Speaker 1 And I think at a certain point,

Speaker 1 wouldn't you want to have your own personal C3PO R2D2? So it's going to be essentially just like everyone has their own phone. Yeah, everyone will have their own robot buddy.

Speaker 1 Like literally. Well, it would be great if it protected you.
Like if you walk down the street of New York City and you have a Terminator with you? I don't know about the Terminator.

Speaker 1 Hopefully we've got to avoid... We don't want this to be the plot of a James Cameron.

Speaker 1 More Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron movie situation.

Speaker 1 But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots, jack Tesla robots that were there to protect you.

Speaker 1 Somebody fully robot there to protect you from a bad neighborhood. Yeah.
That would be very interesting.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 you could potentially see that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Restaurants would probably have no robot rules. You can't bring a robot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, leave a robot. Yeah, leave your robot outside, your robot standing by the table.

Speaker 1 Man, the future's going to be wild. It's going to be wild.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's going to be really unpredictable.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think, I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it, but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And how it's going to kind of completely drown society and change it forever.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's, we have, like I said,

Speaker 1 it's not going to happen overnight, but it's 20 years from now, I'm like, I think, like, 20 years from now, I think there's going to be more humanoid robots than there are humans.

Speaker 1 Really? Yes.

Speaker 1 More humanized? Well, that's so crazy. So that's like more guns.
We have more guns than people in America. We'll have more robots than people in America as well.
Yes.

Speaker 1 You'll have a bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore. I guess.

Speaker 1 Early versions of something.

Speaker 1 In a historical timeline,

Speaker 1 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal. You know, I mean, this is a big deal, but you go from like 1900, 1920, not that big of a deal.
1920, 1940, yeah, kind of a big deal.

Speaker 1 1940, 1960, things start getting weird. 60 to 80, wow, that's a big difference.
80 to 2000. Holy shit.
Now you have the internet. 2000 to 2020.
Whoa, this is nuts.

Speaker 1 You have propaganda, social media, YouTube streaming.

Speaker 1 20 years from now, like, what are we even talking about?

Speaker 1 It's going to be that much of a shift. Like, it's all accelerating.

Speaker 1 And we're in the middle of it, so it's very difficult to sort of like feel it while it's happening because it kind of just feels like life.

Speaker 1 and you just get adapted to the changes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket, like an article that can answer any questions. People to take it for granted.
Yeah, it's normal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They get mad if it doesn't work. Yeah.
It's like Louis C.K.'s joke about using your phone when you're on a plane. Yeah, a fucking piece of shit.

Speaker 1 You're in the sky. You're floating in the air.
And now it will work with Starlink, too. What's that? It will work with Starlink.

Speaker 1 The Starlink connection, it'll be like being on the ground. Well, I was telling you how I used Starlink when I was in Utah.
I was in the mountains of Utah.

Speaker 1 There was no cell phone service anywhere near. And we had full YouTube.
We had text messages, FaceTime, everything. Phone calls.
It was nuts.

Speaker 1 And it was... It's this big as that cigar box.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. It's so light.
When I brought it out, they're like, that's it? This is it. Let's just plug it in.
And the guys I was in camp with are like, this is crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The whole camp was like sharing it. So it was like 10 people using the Wi-Fi signal.
It's nuts.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, that's the beginning. I mean, what you're at right now is like what version? This is Starlink Mini, right? So this is like a very small version.

Speaker 1 How much smaller can it scale down from that?

Speaker 1 Well, there's a certain area that you need, like the bigger the area,

Speaker 1 the more you can.

Speaker 1 The higher the bandwidth. Yeah, because you're trying to catch these photons, essentially.
So you can think of

Speaker 1 the area of

Speaker 1 the antenna is like the more area you have, the more photons you can catch.

Speaker 1 But we have a direct-to-cell capability as well that

Speaker 1 we've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months.

Speaker 1 That'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified. But because the cell phone is a a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about 100 times less bandwidth.

Speaker 1 But still, you'll be able to do text messages,

Speaker 1 pictures, like medium resolution videos, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 One of the cool things about the new phone, the new iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it and I was in the mountains last month and I was text messaging with satellites. Yeah.
iMessages. Right.

Speaker 1 And receiving them. But just text.
Yeah, just text. Yeah.
But still pretty impressive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 what are are we going to be looking at 100 years from now? I mean, when you

Speaker 1 100 years from now, I hope civilization's around.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'll be a win. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What are the chances that we fuck this whole thing up?

Speaker 1 50%?

Speaker 1 It's hard to say. I mean

Speaker 1 I guess not like I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's like some really massive global thermonuclear war.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I mean, Stephen Hawking used he would say that there's like a one at least a 1% chance of total annihilation every century. That was his rough estimate.

Speaker 1 But there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today. So you say like, well,

Speaker 1 because you look at, say,

Speaker 1 you know, these various civilizations throughout history,

Speaker 1 whether it's the like ancient Sumerians or the

Speaker 1 you know Egyptians, the

Speaker 1 Romans, like they they you know, there's like a life cycle to civilization. They reached a peak and then they started subsiding.
Um

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 so I think a bigger question is like, well, will will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in a hundred years? Um

Speaker 1 I think it's probably going to be better.

Speaker 1 I think, but any estimates are going to be so

Speaker 1 there's so many dependencies. Like an estimate, I think, is

Speaker 1 I'm not sure it has any meaning because it's like there's so many things that can happen in 100 years.

Speaker 1 Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say, we have to do our best to mitigate this. And we've seen this happen before.

Speaker 1 Let's course correct and let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary.

Speaker 1 This is what we're hoping for with this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future, is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now.

Speaker 1 And it might be the only moment in history where this is possible.

Speaker 1 Because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit and you're only voting for primaries and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place.

Speaker 1 You don't really have democracy anymore. You don't really have choice.
Exactly. You don't really have freedom.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think freedom is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow, and we'll know.

Speaker 1 I think we'll know by the end of the day tomorrow. I don't think it's going to take, it's not going to be like days after the election.
I think we'll know tomorrow. Are you optimistic?

Speaker 1 I'm currently optimistic, but

Speaker 1 the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest biggest issue.
So

Speaker 1 I don't know what the reason is, but men just vote at a much lower rate than women. I think it's like 9%, right? Someone just told me that today.

Speaker 1 It's a big difference.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I'm just saying there's a message to the men out there. Vote like your life depends on it, because I think it does.
Vote. Vote tomorrow like your life depends on it.
Nothing is more important.

Speaker 1 I agree. Yeah.
Listen, man, thank you for being here. I know you're busy as fuck, fuck, so I really appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 And again, I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history. I really do think

Speaker 1 you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before. And I think it was dangerous.

Speaker 1 It is dangerous. Hopefully, I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars.

Speaker 1 That would be cool.

Speaker 1 That's all I'm asking for here. I don't think that's too much, Dan.

Speaker 1 Thank you very much. Appreciate me on.
Thank you.