#2216 - Luke Bryan

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Speaker 1 Hey, what's up, Luke? Good.

Speaker 1 This has been a long time in the making. Well, I need to thank you for taking care of my family when they came to your show.
I hope they had a great time. They had a fucking fantastic time.

Speaker 1 But it was also, my daughter was like freaked out because she was going to the show. She didn't know she was was going to get to meet you.

Speaker 1 And her friend didn't know they were going to get to meet you either. So we were able to

Speaker 1 keep that a good little good little

Speaker 1 secret too. Yeah, it was cool.
They had the best time. They came back beaming.
So thank you. Well, Vegas, you know, that was wrapping up Vegas.
So, yeah, we that was

Speaker 1 a fun two years of residency there. Did you do two years there? I did.
Yeah, I did two years, 26 shows per year.

Speaker 1 dude man

Speaker 1 like vegas will take a little piece of your soul well here's a little tiny piece every single well the thing about it is

Speaker 1 like all of that

Speaker 1 get to Vegas and like you know you run to the craps table or blackjack table your whole life getting to Vegas dude I got all that I could I'm like I get to Vegas I'm like

Speaker 1 Man, let's just sit in the room, watch little sports, and I got the gambling out of the system. Well, that's good.

Speaker 1 Did you just gamble a lot?

Speaker 1 You know, I've always been, I've never been a sports gambler.

Speaker 1 My dad, my

Speaker 1 I, but my dad raised me to kind of be a poker player kind of kid. He was a like a, I mean, I used to joke, if my dad didn't play poker, we'd have never had Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 You know, he, I mean, he was, I mean, he was just a crazy little poker player and like a little pool hustler. And then, uh,

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 he was all in. Well,

Speaker 1 so one of my dad's fame, one of my dad's famous quotes is, um,

Speaker 1 so we, we, we, he flies me out to Vegas when I'm 21 or whatever. And man, I had like, we were in college and I took like three, three or four hundred bucks with me, you know, just broke as shit.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 two hours in the trip, lose my money. And, you know, this was like, well, where we were still had truck phones.
You know, I'm not even sure we were like toting.

Speaker 1 No, we certainly didn't have like the motor roller razor where he could just call me. So

Speaker 1 he just goes looking for him and he calls my hotel room. And I'm, he's like, boy, what you doing? He's real Georgia, real Southern Georgia.
I said, I lost all my damn money and hell with this place.

Speaker 1 He goes, well, you ain't going to win it back in the goddamn room.

Speaker 1 So, I I mean, once you have that

Speaker 1 mindset in gambling, certainly, I mean, when that's your dad going,

Speaker 1 and so that's been a famous saying when my buddies, you know, when they're, when they're down and out, down two or three grand, and they're pouting over at the bar, you know, you're not going to win it back at the goddamn bar.

Speaker 1 But I did, I went through phases where, you know,

Speaker 1 I never really got financially behind when I didn't have money. I would just,

Speaker 1 I controlled it pretty well and i i did my two years out there i never really uh had any big beats or anything like that but i do love to just man i love to just sit there have a drink have a cigar and watch dice and cards because you're just not you're just sitting there and your mind's checked out right it's like no different than

Speaker 1 you know, going to the driving range and hitting golf balls or sitting on the bank fishing or sitting in a deer stand.

Speaker 1 But I got out of there. I got all my gambling, at least for now, out of my system.
But it was great to meet your kids there.

Speaker 1 I really appreciate it. They really enjoyed it.
And like I said, they were just, they were blown away meeting you. They were like,

Speaker 1 well, it was a fun show because

Speaker 1 we got to really do a lot of bells and whistles out there that aren't available on normal shows

Speaker 1 when you're, you know.

Speaker 1 out touring and stuff because you're having to take down stuff, be real mobile out there.

Speaker 1 We put a lot of stuff in the room and well that's nice that that's one good thing about the residency you know you're going back to the same spot over and over and over again and we had our routine i mean i have my my room and you know about 6 30 i'd hop in the shower run down there and get on stage about 8 30 and knock it out and 10 30 uh

Speaker 1 somewhere at a craps table i'm lucky i don't gamble i don't do it you never got into sports nope nope i mean i used to bet on fights back in the early days of the ufc i used to bet on fights and they one day they made it illegal, but I already stopped doing it because I was like, this is probably not a good thing for me to be betting on things I'm commentating on.

Speaker 1 Because I can't affect the outcome. Right.
But sometimes. I feel quite close.
I also sometimes know some shit.

Speaker 1 You know, this has been a bunch of times. So one of my business partners, I would just, I would tell him what to bet on.
And we were at like 84% at one time. It was crazy.
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 For like six or seven fights in a row, six or seven fight cards in a row, we were at about 84%.

Speaker 1 Because every every now and then, they would have these guys that were coming in from Japan or from Russia. And the Oddsmakers didn't know who these guys were.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, Jesus Christ, bet you house. You already.
Oh, yeah. I knew those guys.
I've been studying them for

Speaker 1 years. So I knew everything about these guys.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, bet the fucking house. Layup.
Yeah, there was a few. Like when Anderson Silva came to the UFC, I was like, bet the house.

Speaker 1 Bet the house on the Brazilian.

Speaker 1 Whatever you got, I go throw it all at this guy. You can't fucking lose.
Because when he came into the UFC, he was like in his prime. And I got to see him evolve in Japan and then later on in England.

Speaker 1 And so when he came in the UFC, I think he was a favorite over this guy, Chris Liebanne, who's a really tough guy. But I'm like,

Speaker 1 whatever the odds are, fucking throw it all at that guy. I bet y'all.

Speaker 1 Were you betting with him too? No, I wasn't betting. I already stopped.
I was like, I could get in trouble.

Speaker 1 Don't get any trouble now either. Don't lose the gig.
Well, now the UFC made a law, and it was real recent, like two years ago, up until like two years ago, all staff, anyone could bet.

Speaker 1 Now, no one can bet. Really? Yeah, because there was a scandal.

Speaker 1 One of the trainers apparently was involved, allegedly was involved, knew about an injury, and then it turned out there's probably some other bets that are a little shady that perhaps allegedly people were involved.

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Speaker 1 So they're like, okay, we got to put a stop to this, which is too bad. Because it was fucking, it's nice to know.

Speaker 1 If I was unscrupulous.

Speaker 1 I had a little, so I went my whole life no sports betting. Through college, I mean,

Speaker 1 through college, I'd walk in and my buddies back then, they'd spliced seven, eight TVs together and they're, they got all their, they got all their notes.

Speaker 1 And I'm like,

Speaker 1 And I'm like, dude, no wonder you're fucking, you got all D's and

Speaker 1 you're about to get shipped out of college. But I survived all that.
And me and a buddy, we started picking two games a week and we would load up. And

Speaker 1 this was like

Speaker 1 six years ago, five years ago. So I would load up like 20 grand a game.

Speaker 1 But I was strict and

Speaker 1 I had my deal. And

Speaker 1 it just we'd like bet. I mean, just take Alabama and the points in the first half.
You do that most of the year. I mean, it was 80%.
So we did well.

Speaker 1 And then my buddy moved away from me and we quit talking about it.

Speaker 1 And I just, then I went rogue for like two years. I was betting like Utah State at, you know, the West Coast game, midnight, just throwing bets in.
And I was like, man, I'm out. So I stopped.

Speaker 1 Did you see Uncut Gems? Yes.

Speaker 1 Dude, that movie tripped me. So much anxiety.
That movie tripped me out. I think it tripped everybody out.

Speaker 1 What a great movie. Especially if you've dipped your toe into that world of like.

Speaker 1 But now, and I've got buddies that do parlays. And like, I'm not even sure I even understand the inner workings of parlays now.
Still, I mean, and teasers and all that. Right, right.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I'm so removed from that level level of sport. Or like,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 so-and-so's doing four layers going to get four layups at the half. And man, that, that'll, that's, that's opening up Pandora's box there.
It is. And you got to think there's people that are involved.

Speaker 1 Like, there's been scandals where referees were involved, where referees are making calls they shouldn't have made, maybe calling fouls they shouldn't have called, and people getting paid.

Speaker 1 There's so much money being thrown around. And, you know, the average referee, what do they make? You know, hey, dude, so I saw you at the, I'm a giant Georgia fan.

Speaker 1 And I saw you obviously on the sideline on Saturday. And just, man, some of those calls

Speaker 1 started getting weird.

Speaker 1 We actually left after the first quarter and went to see Eminem. So we had an epic day.
We saw the first quarter of UT Georgia and then jetted and went to Eminem at the racetrack.

Speaker 1 Like the Formula One. Yeah, Eminem played in front of like 150,000 people.
It was fucking weird. I mean, what a weekend for Austin, too.
I mean, because i had buddies

Speaker 1 i had buddies that were like

Speaker 1 why are you not coming and i'm like man i've had to be me all year and it's like the weather's chilly in nashville my boys want to go deer hunting i'm going to take them deer hunting sit on my back patio and scream at the tv and but yeah it got a little dicey there on the back i i was like oh it was weird yeah well just the energy there's so much so much anticipation for a game like that.

Speaker 1 You can't replicate it

Speaker 1 in any other,

Speaker 1 I guess, those big

Speaker 1 global

Speaker 1 Brazil versus

Speaker 1 Argentina or whatever. We had some friends from England who had never been to an American football game.
What was their take on it? They were blown away. They're like, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness. This is madness.
Like, this is Texas football. It's so fun, though.
They get serious here. It's funny.
I got to shoot the cannon. Boom.
Did you shoot it through the Georgia shirt?

Speaker 1 That one? Yeah. Oh, gosh.

Speaker 1 Maybe I gave it bad luck. It hurt my heart.
Maybe it was bad luck because they lost. Maybe it wasn't.
Maybe it's a fucking rude thing to do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 It was a good win for George. And like I said, both those programs are just so

Speaker 1 incredible. It's when you're watching it behind the scenes, you know, watching how much organization there is.
And it's incredibly complex. Through the years, Kirby and I

Speaker 1 have gotten to be pretty good buddies. Kirby can't be buddies with anybody because

Speaker 1 that job requires, I've never seen

Speaker 1 a requirement of a job more than being a college.

Speaker 1 It's probably like being a president.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 And so I don't text Kirby during the season, really. I know he, and man, just watching what those guys go through through trying to manage these big programs like that.

Speaker 1 I mean, and when they're not coaching, I mean, dude, they are politicking.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, they got to go to the steak supper for this,

Speaker 1 for this touchdown club here.

Speaker 1 You know, so man, it is a, it's a wild ride what those dudes go through. And when you think about gambling with calls, like bad calls, that has got to be.

Speaker 1 Imagine all your money's on the line and you see some horrendous call and you fucking. See, I'm out of that.

Speaker 1 and I didn't really get into that heavily even when I was betting regular games but man it's it's it's freedom man I just watch the games with freedom and I don't I don't get in you know I'm good friends with Dana White and Dana's a he's a real degenerate like a horrible I love how big that's the best way to describe

Speaker 1 oh he'll describe it that way like most from him they most like your big horse racing guys uh-huh they all their adjective of of themselves is I'm a degenerate. That's the first time that's happening.

Speaker 1 Well, Jamie and I, Jamie and I went to visit, we went with Shane Gillis and a bunch of other guys. We went to visit Dana while he's gambling.
When we got there, he was down $600,000.

Speaker 1 And I was like, what is happening? I heard him say he learned how to play back rap because you can bet more.

Speaker 1 You can bet like 500K again or something. It's crazy.
Like that. That's so crazy.

Speaker 1 I was getting anxiety just sitting there watching. And so then Taylor Luan came over and Dana and Taylor have this deal where Dana teaches Taylor what to gamble and how to do it.

Speaker 1 They're down $120,000 in what, five minutes? Five minutes. Five minutes are down 120 grand.
And I'm just sitting there going, what the fuck, man? Look, Dana is rich as shit. Obviously.

Speaker 1 I know Taylor is wealthy, but there's like a level where you could lose $125,000 is $125,000. Well, yeah, I mean, I've learned kind of like

Speaker 1 if you're betting $1,000 a hand, you can get down $50,000. Yeah.

Speaker 1 like in yeah quick but when you transition to that

Speaker 1 30 40 50 000 a hand you'll be down a million or a million or two and i i say because i've watched some other buddies that bet on that level i'm talking about like 15 hand swing is an 800 000 swing and i'm like

Speaker 1 But that's the scary part about gambling when you start when you don't have much money and you grow into some money, but your level of what you want to press your your anxiety level and your endorphins and all that it grows with your

Speaker 1 your wealth and man next thing you know you're well that's the only way they get their fix right they get

Speaker 1 $20 a hand yeah right that goes away right it's like right well it's like the whole you know it's there's a lot in society that

Speaker 1 you know, I think we're preyed upon with those, with that thought process, gambling and a lot of dopamine hits. Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then once one level of the dopamine levels out, then you go to the next one. Yeah, it's hard to watch.

Speaker 1 Forget about doing it. It's hard to watch.
Like, I don't get it. I'm glad I'm not.
Well, I can say that I've always had fun with it. I mean, I've always had fun gambling.

Speaker 1 And a lot of times I'd take my band after we get off stage and we'd have one band night. And I'd like to set them all up with some chips.
And

Speaker 1 I've gotten at a craps table where I can kind of manage everybody's bets. And I'm like, don't do that now, wait, wait.
And it's kind of like the,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 steering the mothership. And we had some great nights, you know,

Speaker 1 just laughing and cutting up and

Speaker 1 cheering. You know, you know, like I said, one guy walks up and everybody rubs his head for good.
You know, it's just, it's just

Speaker 1 camaraderie, you know, at the craps table.

Speaker 1 I gambled so much at the craps table. My last night,

Speaker 1 they let my craps team that dealt me all the craps come on stage and we're celebrating the craps.

Speaker 1 I'm out there, like, I'm playing and I look at my, you know, because they work in teams, you know, they all, and my team comes out on stage and dude, I was

Speaker 1 roaring laughing. I'm like, yeah.
So that's hilarious. Look, I know people have a problem with gambling.
I think it should be legal, but it can get away from you. Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 But that's like a lot of things in this world. Alcohol, there's a lot of things that can get away from you.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean it should be illegal. Right.
Well, Lord. It's just weird that it's only legal in a few states.
I think that's expanding now. And then I remember when online gambling was illegal.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And then...
Wasn't that long ago? The early days of the UFC, online gambling was illegal. And then my, you know, and because we're obviously southeastern.
Tennessee Bible Belt.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, but there's certain states.

Speaker 1 I guess Tennessee is a legal gambling state because or maybe georgia i can't tell i have to i have to talk to my nephews uh all of his buddies and see if they're on the little apps but man they'll go sign their buddies up to get the 200 free bread i mean they got all kinds of little racket yeah well and then also people would go to indian reservations that was the big

Speaker 1 also crazy

Speaker 1 gambling's illegal the red you got to pay the indian reservation tax right you know you got to pay your 50 cent to do the dollar bet yeah

Speaker 1 Do that math. Yeah.
And you only have to be like a small percentage Native American to get a piece of that. So there's a lot of millionaires just hanging around that casino, just enjoying it.

Speaker 1 But if you got a place like in Connecticut, like

Speaker 1 Mohegan and all that. They're great places.
You know,

Speaker 1 typically on my way, kind of

Speaker 1 the Mohegan, I'd go play there a couple years. One night I did three nights there.
And dude, I'm like getting off stage, just sitting there gambling.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I'm like, am I coming out ahead on this gig or what but I think I got out of there making a little money yeah it's it's weird though that you could do that legally like well then even like in Tennessee and Tunica back in the day you just put a barge on the Mississippi River and you can gamble it's like

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 what is that all about right that's that show Ozark right yeah well totally the same premise you know it's like put a barge on the river and uh

Speaker 1 now let's take all these people's money. Yeah, my buddy Johnny used to, he was a pool hustler.
He used to call people riverboat gamblers.

Speaker 1 When guys would just go off and you know a guy was a gambling addict, you just trick him into a game. He's like, guy's a riverboat gambler.

Speaker 1 Or yeah, that's the two analogies, degenerate or riverboat gambler. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Be careful of all of them.

Speaker 1 It's just always been funny to me that like Native American reservations are essentially a country inside the country and they can do whatever the fuck they want.

Speaker 1 Like I was just reading about this Colorado wolf deal, you know, where they've relocated wolves to Colorado and the Native American Reservation let them know the moment those wolves get onto our land.

Speaker 1 We're flying over in helicopters and gunning them down.

Speaker 1 I was

Speaker 1 I elk hunt every year in Colorado. And is that where you've done?

Speaker 1 I've done Colorado. Most of the years I go to Utah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, first of all, Cam Haynes and I, you know, we've got a connection with Cam and

Speaker 1 just love that guy. But yeah, we, so when I saw Colorado do that, I was like,

Speaker 1 it's just like, what are we doing, guys? Well, whenever you have biology that's getting voted on by people who don't understand it, it should be decided by wildlife biologists. That's it.

Speaker 1 That's the only people that should decide whether or not things like that happen. Well,

Speaker 1 we can really dive into this and let's do it.

Speaker 1 My thing is.

Speaker 1 We are so governed in the world of wildlife biology through the states and stuff. They're not going to let

Speaker 1 animals, they're not going to let humans ruin animal populations, I don't think anymore. Of course.
If anything's going to happen, they're going to mess it up and let animal populations

Speaker 1 get too big.

Speaker 1 I was, I was, and I don't know if I, I don't know who to name or whatever, but I was with some guys with Wyoming. And, you know, we're talking about grizzly bears.

Speaker 1 And I said, man, you know,

Speaker 1 because they brought up, you know, grizzly bear problems. And I said, well,

Speaker 1 what is the deal? And they said, well, there's

Speaker 1 1,400 to 1,500 grizzly bears in Wyoming. There needs to be 500 to 600.

Speaker 1 And 5 of the 1,500 are only hunting humans.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 have totally...

Speaker 1 Have totally. But there's not that many human deaths.
Well,

Speaker 1 in Yellowstone,

Speaker 1 if you pay attention, there's about two or three that

Speaker 1 get right, but those 500 grizzly bears that are just hunting. No, five, five, five, five, not 500.
So there's five grizzly bears?

Speaker 1 Right, there's like five grizzly. Sorry,

Speaker 1 this probably won't be the first time I

Speaker 1 am not totally clear with you. But yeah, so there's

Speaker 1 1,400 to 1,500. There needs to be 500 to 600 grizzlies.

Speaker 1 But of the,

Speaker 1 all of them, five of them have like, oh, we don't care about salmon anymore. We want to sit by this trail and pick off this hiker.
Jesus.

Speaker 1 And that is, that is a high-up biologist in Wyoming telling me that. And I'm like, well, why won't they let y'all go in there? Let some hunters, think about the, the, you can do the math,

Speaker 1 do a $30,000 grizzly bear tag, do a $20,000 one. They'll go for that.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Go in and let it manage it right, but there's one federal judge that's got it all shut down. One judge.
That's so crazy.

Speaker 1 My friend went moose hunting said he saw no moose and he saw 12 grizzlies in Wyoming. I went on a bear hunt in Alberta, and there's so many grizzlies now, you can't even go.

Speaker 1 It was through Cam's people. John and Jen.
Yeah, they've, I saw them recently, and they've had to move. Yeah, they move areas.
Yeah, they have abandoned areas because they're overrun with grizzlies.

Speaker 1 They sent me some trail cam pics. They're terrifying.
Like little school buses.

Speaker 1 They look like school buses, like the size size of these fucking well what did you did you was it you that was talking about we were trying they were trying to determine a male grizzly versus a male gorilla and who would win did we ever

Speaker 1 i think i'm on team grizzly me too because they eat things and kill things every day gorillas just they they fight they just like they puff their chest out they mostly eat grass well but when you think about thirty forty thousand dollars per grizzly and then the the guiding fee yeah and then the taxidermy yeah think about the taxidermist and then the pitman roberts people

Speaker 1 need to understand all the gear, everything, 10% of that goes to wildlife management. All of it.
And then at the end of that, nobody's going to let the grizzlies get

Speaker 1 exterminated. Right.

Speaker 1 They're overpopulated now. And then when you look at the population, how beautiful the elk population is in Colorado and how amazingly managed it is in Colorado.

Speaker 1 For public hunters, for a guy like me that can go get an over-the-counter tag, I think they're probably going to wipe out over-the-counter tags for out-of-staters. They're going to make it a draw tag.

Speaker 1 And then now the wolves get to eat them, and I don't get to bring my elk hunting money in and give it to the...

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 they always say that they're going to get to a certain level of the population, and then they're going to open it up for management. But they don't.
Wolf management? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But what happens is people sue. And the wildlife, you know, all the people that love wolves,

Speaker 1 they sue. And when they sue, they stop the hunt and then it has to go to court.
Then it has to get decided. And if you get a radical judge, like this judge that you said that's in Wyoming.

Speaker 1 And these are all things that people in the know are telling me. So, Lord, I don't need a judge somewhere in Wyoming like pulling my fucking.
No, you're probably right. You're probably right.

Speaker 1 Everyone that I know that hunts there says

Speaker 1 there's a lot of grizzly bears, and it's concerning because you don't see all of them. If you see a lot of them, there's a lot more than you don't see.

Speaker 1 Because most of them are just not just out in the open hanging out with you. Most of them are deep in the woods.
Well, and

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 I went on a salmon trip up in British Columbia.

Speaker 1 And what you

Speaker 1 99% of your interpretation of a grizzly is this big old fat chunky thing.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 so we're flying in on these helicopters to go fish the salmon runs that are running up into the mountains of British Columbia, and it's an amazing trip.

Speaker 1 Like, you fly over in the helicopter, you look down, you see the huge schools of salmon, you take your fly rod and you go catch them and drink your beer.

Speaker 1 Well, the helicopter pilot was like, hey, man, we've seen some grizzlies in the area.

Speaker 1 And, you know, at the time, we're like, man, this is all part of the

Speaker 1 experience. Yeah, it's like, get us kind of going a little bit.
Well, we land,

Speaker 1 and the night before, we didn't fish that day. So we'd flown in and drank some wine.
And dude, you know, my eyes are like fuzzy.

Speaker 1 And we're fishing, and I tell my guy I'm with him, I'm like, hey, I'm going to go to the helicopter and get a beer or something.

Speaker 1 And, dude, I get there and I pop my beer and I'm like, I look down the river and I'm like,

Speaker 1 fuck, that is a fucking grizzly coming toward my buddy. And I went, Jay.

Speaker 1 And dude, it was slim

Speaker 1 and like a damn, it was lean and like a greyhound.

Speaker 1 not

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say lean but it hadn't it hadn't got all fat on salmon yet well it comes down the bank

Speaker 1 and jumps in and we ease back to the helicopter we look back here comes another grizzly literally 30 yards from us and I'm like

Speaker 1 We get there and I had left my beer on the bank and my grizzly sticks his tongue in my beer and then he jumps in the river. I run, grab the beer, drink.
I'm like, grizzly spit.

Speaker 1 Anyway, the helicopter pilot goes, You did not drink a beer.

Speaker 1 I had a sip of it after. I had to.
But that's like

Speaker 1 strachinosis,

Speaker 1 wild shitty thing I get from that. Some berry infection or whatever, salmon infection.
Moose ass. So listen, dude, we get on the helicopter and the pilot's like, man, they're getting too comfortable.

Speaker 1 We take off, fly a mile down the river.

Speaker 1 I'd already had my fly rod together. I never broke it down.
So I sat it in the little basket and we land. I take off about 200 yards, start fishing.
And

Speaker 1 I had to slide down this like 20-foot cut bank where the river had cut the bank. I look across the river and here comes a grizzly bear galloping

Speaker 1 on the other side of the river. And I'm like, well, I'd already seen the other two mature ones.
And I was like, well, that's a baby grizzly.

Speaker 1 I was like, that's cute.

Speaker 1 Dude, that grizzly hits that bank on the other side of that river and jumps about 20 feet in the air and lands in that river. It looked like

Speaker 1 a Volkswagen VW bug hit that river. I take off to the helicopter.
All my guys are like, get here, get here. A mother and two of the babies were on my tail.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And when I got to the helicopter, dude, ruined my whole trip. I couldn't really

Speaker 1 get scary when you're on the mothers. Oh, they're the ones that.

Speaker 1 They fuck everybody up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Two seconds. Yeah, they don't play any games.
When they have their cubs with them, they don't take any chances. Like, I'm going to incapacitate this dude.
Yeah. Fuck him.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that was my grizzly encouragement. I wish...
All these people that get to vote, unlike BC, when BC outlawed grizzly bear hunting, I wish all those people that experience...

Speaker 1 You should have to experience what it's actually like there. You should have to see.

Speaker 1 You should have to see the population. You see what it's like experiencing them.
These aren't teddy bears.

Speaker 1 And for you saying you shouldn't be able to manage the population as wildlife biologists say it should be managed, you're putting people in danger, especially people that live up there.

Speaker 1 The thing about it with me, now, listen, I grew up deer hunting my whole life, ducks, dove, quail. And man, I always had a soft spot for bears.

Speaker 1 And probably I still, it's not like I got to go shoot bears every year. I mean, whatever.
But when you find out, when you hear you are a hunter and there are,

Speaker 1 like when I met John and Jenny and they were like, Luke, there are so many that are, that need to be managed. I was like, man, that's cool.
Let's go, let's go do a bear hunt.

Speaker 1 Had a great time and didn't, you know, didn't get all heady with killing a bear. I mean, I know guys in Tennessee and Gatlinburg, Joe, I mean, dude, they are darting black bears off second-story

Speaker 1 holiday inn balconies. They're digging in,

Speaker 1 I mean, they're digging in candy, you know, vending machines. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, dude, it's just a matter of time. Somebody's going to walk out their balcony and

Speaker 1 they're going to get got right there. 100%.
And they dart them and move them back into the Smoky Mountains. And then...
You know what happened in New Jersey, right?

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Speaker 1 And he got in, or excuse me, the black bear hunt in Jersey. In Jersey.
Jersey has the most black bears per capita in the country, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 I'm going to send you some because I sent this to Cam last night because it's nuts. This dude just shot the state record.
So it's back in. Yes, it's back in immediately

Speaker 1 because they had so many interactions

Speaker 1 my mother lives in mexico beach florida on the panhandle a lot over there too and they like trash cans turned over every day crazy amounts in in south georgia and florida yeah that's it

Speaker 1 so i have a photo of the bear jamie i'm gonna send it to you next to the dude who killed it

Speaker 1 that's a good one okay

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm gonna send you this too.

Speaker 1 But look at that. Look at the size of that bear.
So this is in New Jersey. This is New Jersey.
This is New Jersey. I never saw it.
This is a 770-pound bear in New Jersey.

Speaker 1 I didn't know they were up there that. They're dense.
Dense with bears. I have a buddy who lives up there.
He says he sees them all the time.

Speaker 1 So down in the furthest, most southern corner of Georgia, Bainbridge, Georgia, and all that, and then Mexico Beach, Florida, around Lake Seminole. I mean, they're everywhere down there.

Speaker 1 They're all over the place. You got that photo of that dude laying next to it?

Speaker 1 Look at that. Look at the size of that thing.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 that article says 800 pounds. That's from Sever Broadheads.

Speaker 1 It says 880, but the other article said 770. It looks,

Speaker 1 it's big. Whatever the actual size it is, it's big.
Look at that Sever hole. Good shot.
Well, it's, you know, like I said,

Speaker 1 that's a perfect shot.

Speaker 1 I think there's healthy numbers of all of it. And like I said, when I see,

Speaker 1 you know, when you see,

Speaker 1 I don't know, wolves and elks. Well, there's more than healthy numbers.
Okay, there's

Speaker 1 770. Oh, gutted.
770 gutted. Whoa.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. So they weighed in at 770 pounds gutted.
So they think it was about 80, 800. 80.
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. Yeah, you see they got it in a slide.
They had to put it in a...

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 that's crazy. Man, there's so many of.
And for people who don't know, people eat bear, and bear's good. Yeah.
It tastes good.

Speaker 1 Well, and you know, the sad part about, I think, California, you know, know, the whole,

Speaker 1 you know, the gallbladder deal, I don't know much about that, but, you know,

Speaker 1 there was a black market for black bear gallbladders.

Speaker 1 In some

Speaker 1 cultures, they think it's medicine. And, you know.
So they were killing black bears just for their gallbladder. Yeah.
But I think that was overblown. I don't think it's going to affect the population.

Speaker 1 I'm just guessing, especially in a place like New Jersey, how are you going to affect that population? They're everywhere there.

Speaker 1 You ever see the fights they have in Far Rockaway?

Speaker 1 What's Far Rockaway? Far Rockaway, New Jersey is like a nice suburb. It's like a nice neighborhood.
Giant bears. Jamie, pull that video up.
Giant bears

Speaker 1 falling on this guy's front lawn. Did you ever see the guy that filmed like the 10-minute grizzly fight? This might be...
Oh, yes, I did.

Speaker 1 That was insane. But that's where grizzlies are supposed to be.
This isn't a fucking neighborhood. And these are big bears.
And and they're duking it out on this guy's nice lawn.

Speaker 1 They go tumbling down the stairs and they start fighting in the street. And people are watching.
And they're probably fighting over trash cans. Look at it.
So look at the size of these fuckers.

Speaker 1 Imagine like you're watching TV and you're like,

Speaker 1 So these dudes, they duke it out. This is like, Jamie, how long is this video? It's like a 10-minute video.

Speaker 1 Six-minute video. So six minutes, for six minutes, these dudes duke it out.
They pile out into the street, they're biting each other, and this guy's filming from a car.

Speaker 1 And you see it as it like trumbles down. Like, go, yeah,

Speaker 1 pull it down. So, when they're in this, so they come tumbling down the hill, you know, full UFC style, duking it out,

Speaker 1 passing by this guy's track, this guy's mailbox.

Speaker 1 Look at him, it goes on forever, and they're out in the street. This is a nice neighborhood,

Speaker 1 and you have huge predators in front of a Volvo.

Speaker 1 I mean, what the fuck? And this guy was trying to ban the hunt. Hey, pal, there's plenty of these bears.
You should hunt them. Because if you don't hunt them, they're going to hunt you.

Speaker 1 Well, they're going to, you know, that's the thing. I think it's no different than, I mean, I grew up in South Georgia with gators.
And

Speaker 1 you get one comfortable with you, man, and it's... Not good.
It is not good at all. What's the problem we're dealing with here is ballot biology.
It's all people that are very emotional.

Speaker 1 Most of them live in cities. Before I ever hunted bear, before I ever hunted at all, I was like, kill a bear? What an asshole.
You don't have to be an asshole to kill a bear.

Speaker 1 And then you get it out of the house.

Speaker 1 I was kind of the same way. But you probably had more hunting experience than me.
I grew up in a huge house. Well, I had whitetail hunting.

Speaker 1 And I remember, man, you know, being a 14-year-old kid, shooting a deer and having remorse. But then you need to have that remorse too as a hunter.
You need to understand.

Speaker 1 You're taking a life. Yes, and you need to...

Speaker 1 And I tell my boys that. My boys have grown up in it seriously.
And I'm like, hey, man,

Speaker 1 hold up.

Speaker 1 Let's just don't

Speaker 1 run up to it, chunk it in the machine.

Speaker 1 Just do a little homage.

Speaker 1 Right. So go ahead.

Speaker 1 But the remorse, go ahead.

Speaker 1 The remorse is important.

Speaker 1 It's a part of the experience. Like, you are now connected to the food that you're going to eat.
Right. And I think that's what most people don't have.
And

Speaker 1 I think that's bad for us. I think all of human existence has been wrapped around hunting animals.
And we hunted them ourselves forever. And then we eventually figured out agriculture.
But when

Speaker 1 we hunted them ourselves, most of the time the humans were human. And we had this deep connection to this animal because this animal was going to sustain our family.
And they used it. They took the

Speaker 1 skin from it. And they made all kinds of things.
They took the tendons. They made strings for bows.

Speaker 1 And the fur. Yeah, the fur.
I mean, it's what their clothes were made out of. They ate all the organs.
They ate everything. It sustained everybody, and that was how people lived.

Speaker 1 And then when people stopped living like that, we got a little confused. I know people that eat meat.
Like, my wife was at dinner with her friends, and

Speaker 1 they were from England. And one of the friends said, where's your husband? And she said, oh, he's elk hunting.

Speaker 1 And the guy made some sort of, while he was cutting a steak, made some sort of like, oh, that's atrocious.

Speaker 1 Why does he do that? And she goes, why are you eating meat?

Speaker 1 You paid a supermarket hitman to go kill that fucking steak.

Speaker 1 Like, this is so stupid. But when you're removed from it culturally, and England is basically removed from it culturally, there's roe deer there, and there's some stags.
Stag, yeah.

Speaker 1 But for the most part, England has a very small hunting population. And I believe bow hunting is actually outlawed there.
It's outlawed in a lot of places in Europe. It's outlawed in Scotland.

Speaker 1 It's outlawed in a lot of places. So there's like a deep ignorance as to what's going on and what it is.

Speaker 1 And then they have judgment based on these cultural norms of like, and there's media depictions, media depictions of hunters in movies. They're never the good guys.
They're always pieces of shit.

Speaker 1 The hunters are always assholes. They're always drunk.
They're always, you know, trying to kidnap women or kill somebody, right? They're always like torturing an animal.

Speaker 1 There's always something where someone has to come in and fuck up the hunters because hunters are, are, they're portrayed as bad guys in movies. Yeah, and then

Speaker 1 and listen, you know, the success rate of

Speaker 1 the proper ethical things always line up.

Speaker 1 The success rate doesn't always go like you wanted it to. Right.
And but,

Speaker 1 you know, the fact that hunters still are working every day just to keep hunting and the fact that hunting is declining so badly.

Speaker 1 It took a little uptick during COVID because during COVID, people are like, hey, man, this fucking world. Well, what if there's no food?

Speaker 1 My buddy lived in Asheville, and he sent me a photo in the middle of the pandemic. He goes, dude, he goes, there's no meat.
And he was going down the meat aisle. He's like filming it.

Speaker 1 He's like, there's no fucking meat here. One of the best things that's just naturally happened at our house.

Speaker 1 And my wife is, you know, my wife's like

Speaker 1 typical housewife, plays tennis, great shape, does it, you know, when she kind of eats like a bird when she does eat, but man, she will call me and she'll go, hey, let's have elk night.

Speaker 1 And because we keep our freezer in my garage and I've got all my tackle in there. And she has through the years understood,

Speaker 1 like, hey, I'm going to run out to the freezer. We're going to do taco night.
I'm going to throw all the elk meat in the sink and start thawing it. And man, over the last five years,

Speaker 1 I've woke up and we haven't we haven't had beef cattle and hamburger,

Speaker 1 tacos, spaghettis, bolognese, whatever. We haven't eaten it in five years at my house.
And it just, it takes you a minute to go, hey, put it in the freezer and then

Speaker 1 plan your dinner. You know, we all get busy with kids and stuff like that.
But I'm so proud of her that she'll call me and be like, hey, I'm going out to the freezer.

Speaker 1 Do you want me to get these elk tenderloins?

Speaker 1 Because by the time me and my, I got three children that go out there with me now and two or three of us will get one I mean we got enough meat like it's awesome that it's the best food it's so good for you man when you pat out an elk patty hamburger

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 your hands have nothing on it right like I mean you could take beef patty and just like it's just like

Speaker 1 Fat grease. It's like caulking, you know.
That's also why it tastes so good. Right.
Which we got it. There's a time and place for that.

Speaker 1 But it's pretty cool that elk gets that and they still have to add a little bit of pork fat to elk just to keep it but uh i give a lot of meat away and whenever i do when i get texts back i get excited when people like damn this is so good and it makes me feel better it does make you feel like there's something about wild game and get energy from it well yeah and yeah when you can go like we uh

Speaker 1 at my place uh at my deer place in southern tennessee yeah man we we just we make sure man we got i got a big walk-in cooler there, and if we if we're if we're not going to take something in there, I put, I've had some red stag at my place in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Uh, I did a high fence down there, and uh, so between stag and whitetail and elk, you know, we're moving, we're moving meat around and making jerky.

Speaker 1 Are they roaring on your property? They do. That's the craziest sound.
That's just the best. I thought the elk sound was crazy.
Elk sounds probably the craziest. It's the best elk.
But I'm used to it.

Speaker 1 But the roar. But when you hear a stag,

Speaker 1 it sounds like a lion. I put one on my Instagram story, Jamie.
See if you can find it. This dude just staring at the camera, roaring.
I bet, or I hear rather, Argentina is a great place to go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I hear they have a lot of them down in Argentina.

Speaker 1 It's interesting because Tennessee is very, very strict on their whitetail.

Speaker 1 Here he is. Listen to this guy.

Speaker 1 Imagine if you were some dude and it's like a thousand years ago and you don't know what the fuck that is.

Speaker 1 So my 14-year-old has been going to Colorado with me since he was five or six.

Speaker 1 And when they're that little, obviously they can't bow hunt, but we would get an elk down and I'd let the boys hike up with me and pack the elk out.

Speaker 1 And one day we had another hunter with us going to get an elk and my two little ones were following me. And I said, well, we had an elk bugle.
I said, hey, boys, stay right here. And they're six,

Speaker 1 six and eight.

Speaker 1 And we went up the hill and I could keep, well, Tate, right before I walked off, he goes, Dad.

Speaker 1 Are they going to kill us if we sit here? Because those elk bugling.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can feel their bugles in the woods and i said no son feel them in your chest so we went up and tried to call this elk in and then some elk did actually cross in front of them and they're six and eight just sitting there these big this big herd of elk coming by and we come back and i was watching i could see them sitting down there on this this tall log that i put them on but i got back and they were like

Speaker 1 Those elk were all, I mean, you know, having your boys, I mean, that's that's what I live for and to keep the, you know, and I just wish we could create a narrative where

Speaker 1 getting your children doing that will will

Speaker 1 i mean i don't know well hunting is a very difficult entry it's very difficult it is if you're a person who's like listening to this like i've never hunted before but i'd like to learn how to do it good luck it's very hard you're right very very hard it's very hard to find someone who's going to teach you who has the patience to show you what to do if you've never shot a rifle before it's very hard to understand like what is the difference between a 300 windmag and a seven millimeter

Speaker 1 That is the tricky part, really, with all outdoors.

Speaker 1 If you could bridge the gap between

Speaker 1 all parts of urban life and allow urban life to find a place to go.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 we went through a phase in outdoors where landowners were like, if you hunt my land and you twist your ankle and break your leg, you're going to sue me. So no, you're not allowed to come hunt my land.

Speaker 1 So all the deer will get overpopulated, eat all my crops. And then, so I think now states, I think Tennessee has put a law into where some of those getting sued.

Speaker 1 Well, what I'm saying is that feeds people's

Speaker 1 inability to go find somewhere to hunt too. I mean,

Speaker 1 so many people don't have a 50-acre farm. They can't afford it, but they want to go hunt.

Speaker 1 And then I just hope the hunting community and even the whole outdoor community can make it more accessible and landowners. I mean, I had this little lady that

Speaker 1 I wanted a turkey hunt.

Speaker 1 She had 60 acres that bordered like a 300-acre track of mine. And I was like, ma'am, when I'm out hunting and some of my turkeys or our turkeys may cross onto your property, do you mind if I go?

Speaker 1 And her house is a mile away from...

Speaker 1 Or it's 50 acres. It's probably 400 yards.
She thought my shotgun was going to shoot through her house and kill her. And I had to spend 45 minutes.
And she grew up in Tennessee in the country. Right.

Speaker 1 And she doesn't understand that a shotgun is not, you know.

Speaker 1 And so, man, the education of it all, just the bridge and the knowledge of it gradually gets worse and worse.

Speaker 1 But the need for it

Speaker 1 gets greater and greater. And I tell my children all the time, I'm like, boys,

Speaker 1 there is no drug in the world. And I'm not a, you know,

Speaker 1 I'm a pretty straight guy. I've never done much of that, but I said, I got a lot of crazy buddies that have.
And when a big elk's walking in or a big whitetail or you hook a big fish,

Speaker 1 the adrenaline from that, no drug will replace it. Nothing's like it.
I've done some wild shit in my time.

Speaker 1 I've seen the documentation of the wild stuff. Yeah, I've done some wild chip.
I'm going to send you a video, Jamie, of something that happened last week. So this is the best example of that.

Speaker 1 This is the best example of that. We had this elk, and he was out at about 50 yards.
We'd

Speaker 1 snuck in on him. He was over the ridge at 50 yards.
We could see the tips of his antlers moving around. I had my sight set at 50 yards.

Speaker 1 And as my friend was calling him, my friend was at a tree that was about 20 yards from me. He came right into our lap.
So it was one of those things where I had him range at 50.

Speaker 1 And then I see him coming in. He's coming in.

Speaker 1 I range him again at 40. I dial him in.
I'm like, oh, shit, he's coming into our lap. He just kept coming in.
Watch this video.

Speaker 1 Do you know how it yet?

Speaker 1 God damn.

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It didn't make it through? Oh, it's still going. Hold on.

Speaker 1 Pressing it to send it through iMessage.

Speaker 1 Oh, is that what it is? Might be.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me. It said it went through.
Did it go through? Just got it. Okay.

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Here it goes. Check this out.

Speaker 1 Listen to this. Listen is when he comes over the hill and gets angry.

Speaker 1 Like when I heard that, I was like, uh-oh, here he comes.

Speaker 1 So right now, he's about 50 yards. What's your heart doing right now? Right now, I'm pretty calm because he's at 50 yards.
Right. But now I'm realizing he's not going to stop.
So I range him again.

Speaker 1 Now he's at 40.

Speaker 1 He pauses for a second. He's staring right at me.
I have to stop. Oh, yeah, so you're off to the right.

Speaker 1 I'm off to to the right and i'm pressed up against a tree full camo hiding in plain sight so now he's moving out so now i'm like oh shit i'm moving my sight to 20.

Speaker 1 so now i move my sight to 20 and i trying to figure out a time to draw so right here i draw that's when he turns oh he sees some movement

Speaker 1 that's another one bugling

Speaker 1 perfect that was it Boom. It's like that, and there's so much nerves and so much like anxiety and you're ranging him and he's coming in and it's like

Speaker 1 and you think he's going to be at 50 but all of a sudden he's at 20 and then it's like don't punch the shot like relax execute a perfect shot. Well, here's the beauty of all that in the outdoors.

Speaker 1 You know when you

Speaker 1 here these are mild. They're good though.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Man,

Speaker 1 when you kind of conquer one level of fishing or hunting, then there's another one you can go learn the space in. You know what I'm saying? You can go.

Speaker 1 And what I say is like, I just,

Speaker 1 I mean, from the elk hunter that I was,

Speaker 1 the elk hunter that I was 10 years ago,

Speaker 1 like took so much,

Speaker 1 took so much work

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 1 even get. From a 10% knowledgeable elk hunter to a 60%.

Speaker 1 Now, like, I can watch that elk react to everything and know what that elks,

Speaker 1 how that elk's reacting because I've done it for 11, 12 years now. And I've taken my boys.
Well, so when you get tired of whitetail hunting and whitetail hunting gets rudimentary, then go

Speaker 1 try to dig in and take it to the next level to challenge yourself. That's what's so fun about like when I got, I was always a bass fisherman, always a bass fisherman, never a fly fisherman.

Speaker 1 Well then I got into fly fishermen and that became the new seven-year challenge. That I tie your own flies.
I can now the little, I can tie big streamers. Right.
But like the little bitty.

Speaker 1 And you got to get like goggles on. Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 It's a real art form.

Speaker 1 Totally

Speaker 1 one of the most rewarding things you can do. Sure.
You make it

Speaker 1 make your own fly and trick

Speaker 1 a big ass fish. A big fish with it.
And

Speaker 1 my only problem with with fly fishing is a lot of it is catch and release. And I'm like,

Speaker 1 it's fun. I know it's fun, but you're basically just fucking with fish.
You're just fucking with them. Like, I could have killed you, bitch.
You know?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I get it. I get it.
The handling of the trout, like when I was, you know, I grew up bass fishing and we're like,

Speaker 1 and the bass flies out of the water. We grab it.
And, you know, as kids, we're like, oh,

Speaker 1 you know, you catch a trout. And it's like a it's like a creature yeah it's like a a

Speaker 1 team in the in the delivery room comes in to hold the the brand new baby or what heck they treat newborns they're slapping newborns around and getting their lungs going before you know you mishandle a trout but you know they're the the whole mystique of trout and and all of this stuff is is just uh

Speaker 1 Man, it's outlets for all of us, you know.

Speaker 1 I mean, I remember when I moved to Nashville and, man, my dad, he kept me fishing and hunting, and and he wound up being a pretty dang successful business guy and he all he told me he goes dude when you move to Nashville don't forget to take time to go do that stuff and you know for about two or three years man I didn't I was focusing on my career.

Speaker 1 But now as I roll out, man, you know, as I'm kind of established, you know, man, it's been the highlight. And the fact that three boys landed in my life,

Speaker 1 like you know my wife's like you're you're it's not even fair that you have because i can always use one of them i was like well baby bow you know he's really been stressed at school and he wants to hunt this even she's like i know your game i know your game but uh well we're so lucky in this country too that there's so much places that are public land that's another thing that europe doesn't have i mean that's what robin hood was all about people think robin hood was uh steal from the rich and give to the poor no it was about hunting lands and hunting rights.

Speaker 1 People were starving, and the king had all the land, and there was all these deer, and Robin Hood would go out and whack deer. Like, that was the story about Robin Hood.

Speaker 1 It really wasn't about stealing money, it was really about hunting rights. Right.
They don't have that. I wouldn't know that.
Yeah, well, that's why it's so fucked over there.

Speaker 1 That's why they don't have this attitude. And

Speaker 1 that's why, you know, you hope

Speaker 1 the whole education of hunting and landowners and

Speaker 1 conservation of the animals and all the land ties ties into where

Speaker 1 landowners need to have a better understanding of, man, give this old boy a break. Give this guy that just knocked on your door and asked permission the good old-fashioned way.

Speaker 1 Man, give him a break and let him take his son or

Speaker 1 go hunt.

Speaker 1 And don't

Speaker 1 hoard it. Don't hoard your 15,000 acres till you're

Speaker 1 till you're dead. But hopefully he's a good guy.
That's the problem also is that assholes ask for permission and then do something stupid.

Speaker 1 You know, dude, I had a guy shoot a stag one first year. I put my stag in my fence, shot him right off the road.
Really? Left him, man. Oh, my God.
You talk about pissed.

Speaker 1 Right off the road. Just shot him and left him.
Shot him and left him. Yeah, see, there's people like that out there, and it's so good.
It's the bad apples, you know. They're out of the way.

Speaker 1 How could you do that to a stag, too? God, that's so awful. Yeah.
And the meat is so sensational. To know that that meat is going to go to waste, that's so crazy.
Man, I don't know. You know,

Speaker 1 I guess enough whiskey and an old back road and a rifle, you'll, you'll, you'll. Shitty education, bad childhood, all the above.
Well, but, um, yeah, all the above. But, yeah, I mean, I look at

Speaker 1 I've got Till, my nephew, he's lived with me since he was 12. And then my, so Till's 22 now, and Bo

Speaker 1 is Bo's 16, and Tate is 14.

Speaker 1 And Teal was 15 when he killed his first elk. The rule has been if you can pull 55 pounds,

Speaker 1 you're ready to hunt. And so Bo is a lot bigger than Tate when he was 13 and 14.
So Bo, my 13-year-old killed a full-grown elk at 13. Whoa.
With a bow? With a bow. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Totally the friggin' most badass thing I've ever seen. And then...
Just to be that young and be able to execute the shot. Dude, he did it and he earned it.

Speaker 1 And like I said, I've been hiking him up those hills. That's what another,

Speaker 1 like the hunting and the killing is that, man, when you pack out a damn

Speaker 1 800-pound animal, the first time I packed my elk out, dude, when I got to the Polaris, I mean, I was like,

Speaker 1 I was sobbing like from...

Speaker 1 Exertion. Exertion.
Like delusional. Because we took a wrong turn.
We hit a big aspen aspen blowdown. And I had to tote the head and the cape out.

Speaker 1 And I had to walk over blown-down aspens with that cape. And once we got 500 yards into the blowdown,

Speaker 1 man, we got to that buggy.

Speaker 1 And all the elk hunting guys,

Speaker 1 they're the toughest dudes. Oh, yeah, they're doing that.
I mean, they're all year long. They're grizzled.
They're the toughest guys. I tell people, man, if I get called to a serious,

Speaker 1 if I get called in in a serious war I'm calling my elk guys that's that's my first that's my first call so but it's you know and I didn't grow up ever thinking I'd have the opportunity or the or the you know the ability to go hunt elk but once you start doing it and and

Speaker 1 and but you know man this this week I killed Thursday I killed my biggest whitetail I ever did and man I was so I'm so

Speaker 1 Like overwhelmed by killing it. I haven't even like, I don't even know if I've enjoyed it yet because it was, it kind of happened fast.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's just so fun.

Speaker 1 How big is it? It was big.

Speaker 1 So listen now, and so I didn't post it because it's obviously in my high fence. And you know, the, you know, but man, this deer was born in the fence.
In Tennessee, you can't bring any genetics in.

Speaker 1 You can't do anything. Whatever herd you have, when you,

Speaker 1 whatever wild Tennessee deer you have, you have to grow them. And man, this deer joe when he was two years old we were like

Speaker 1 what in the fuck

Speaker 1 what a ufo ship dropped this off in here he started with huge mass different looking genetics and we watched him for uh we grew him for

Speaker 1 we feel like he's five and a half and uh whoa dude we are we are over the moon about

Speaker 1 i know that's a huge deer over the moon how big is your property it's uh i guess all together it's probably 11 probably 1200 acres in there so that is much more space than a deer would ever travel in its natural life anyway i'll i'll put it to you this way

Speaker 1 we put about 18 red stag in there

Speaker 1 they're up we don't know how many there are that deer might have got fucked by a stag i think he might have his mom yeah he might have he might have crossed

Speaker 1 a hybrid yeah

Speaker 1 dude we will ride around we we have too many stag and we'll try to thin them out joe we can't find them

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 literally like we'll spend a day i'm like hey grab the rifle we're gonna pull up here walk this bottom can't find them there's 60 of them in there we hunted them for four days this weekend we killed we killed two

Speaker 1 so so 1200 is i mean um it's much larger than a deer would have in its natural roam.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I, you know, I, listen, I mean, we, there, there are a million ways you can criticize me for having the high fence.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I have low fences that we bounce back and forth on the low fences because that's fun as hell, too, to not know what's walking in.

Speaker 1 But the main thing is, is I wanted my boys to have the ability to manage deer and grow them. And I grew up, I love South Texas, big, big,

Speaker 1 I love South Texas deer hunt. Like,

Speaker 1 but I learned, I leased, I leased a South Texas place down here.

Speaker 1 And then I learned having, you know, young children and my schedule, man, to go own a South Texas ranch, commit that much to a South Texas ranch and get five days there. What my thing.

Speaker 1 So my high fence in Tennessee is kind of like my little ode or my little homage to. to my love for South Texas whitetails.
So you can keep it close. Keep it close.
It's 55 minutes from the house.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's nice. And it's a retreat.
I get down there. You know, Starlink has ruined us because now we have internet.

Speaker 1 But before that, man, we'd pull in the holler down there, and you'd have to drive up to the hill to make a phone call. But, oh, oh, Elon saved us on that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the new Starlink's wild. It's the size of a notebook.
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Speaker 1 The first time we saw the satellites come over, we were at Elk Camp. You know, my nephew, Till, he's 21 and we're all liquored up.
And my nephew, he goes, guys,

Speaker 1 I know we've been drinking all day, but what in the hell is coming toward us right now? And we were like,

Speaker 1 and then we had one guy in the group was like, God damn, that's Elon Musk.

Speaker 1 And we watched it go over and we were like,

Speaker 1 wow, what a, what a, it's amazing. We used one in Utah for the first time this year.
So easy to set up, set it up in like five minutes.

Speaker 1 And then we're online, YouTube. I mean, my wife,

Speaker 1 when I went to Elk Camp, my wife was like, all right, I'll hear you. I'll see you.
I'll talk to you in six days. First day, Elk Camp, set the Starlink out, FaceTime.
Hey, baby, how are you?

Speaker 1 It's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My buddy was

Speaker 1 deer hunting recently in South Texas, and he said on three different occasions in the week, their deer got bumped by illegals.

Speaker 1 He said it was crazy. He said, illegal aliens just moving through the ranch.
He said they have,

Speaker 1 you know, a swarm of them every day. I hunt South Texas every year, and the ranch we went to last year

Speaker 1 at any given moment, you can drive and pick up 50 backpacks.

Speaker 1 They just,

Speaker 1 that ranch looks like

Speaker 1 when I, and I hadn't been, this ranch was closer to the border than I've ever been.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there are piles of backpacks and tarps. You know, they'll take tarps and put the tarp out.

Speaker 1 And they're due, well, they'll wait in the day and then they get, you know, they get picked up at night typically. But when they get picked up, they chunk their backpack.

Speaker 1 And, dude, like that, that the ranch I was at, they have to have a full-time team of people just going around picking up backpacks and keeping trash off the ranch.

Speaker 1 My buddy, who has a ranch in South Texas, found a dead guy. Found a guy who ran out of water.
Just died on his ranch. And it's heartbreaking because, dude,

Speaker 1 if anybody, dude,

Speaker 1 I can't imagine having to walk through that brush to get to freedom. Right.
Because when I need- Not knowing where you're going. Not knowing where you're going and probably you have kids.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, when I leave South Texas, I'm pulling cactuses out of my ass for a month. Yeah.
Especially if you do, you know,

Speaker 1 you go rattle for them and stuff. So, man, it's forget about rattlesnakes.
Forget about everything else that's down there. And water, yeah.
When you think about, man, you get your water rations. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You miss that. Yeah.
You could zig when you should have zagged, and you're not going to run into water, especially down there. And it was in the summer, so you know, 105 degrees outside.

Speaker 1 This poor dude just died.

Speaker 1 And they found him. Well,

Speaker 1 every ranch I've went to, the ranch owner,

Speaker 1 you know, they're encountering two deaths a year, 15 to 20.

Speaker 1 Most of the time, they come up to the main headquarters needing water. And when they get to you, or that's been my experience with talking to ranch managers down there,

Speaker 1 they're very, you know, they're not, I don't think they're there to.

Speaker 1 create any problems. They just like, hey, you know, we're right.
We need some water.

Speaker 1 The vast majority of them are just trying to get a better life. Get a better life.
Yeah, and we would be doing it too.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine if you live in a third world country and you had kids and you realize you can get to America and you get a good job and you got to figure out how to do it? Yeah, I would do it.

Speaker 1 We would all do it. We would all do it.
It's just the craziness of not knowing where you're going in South Texas, which is so vast. I mean, I think it's one of those things where people talk about it.

Speaker 1 It's almost like talking about space, you know, like, oh, the galaxy is 200 million stars or 200 billion stars. It doesn't make sense because it's like, it's too big for you to understand.

Speaker 1 If you had to walk through South Texas, it's South Texas. Well, Texas itself is bigger than like multiple countries in Europe.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I think, you know, and even imagine before like the oil booms and oil rigs and stuff, like now they have a little bit of visual

Speaker 1 lights to walk to. Right, right.
I mean, man, I couldn't imagine

Speaker 1 just striking out. Just taking

Speaker 1 Rio Grande and hoping, hoping, or maybe you'd gone with someone who went through it before, and they have a vague memory of what's the best way to get to a creek.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I mean, I, you know, we've we've been there and, you know, the guys, they they open box blinds, you know, the deer hunting towers and there's a family sleeping in the bl box blind.

Speaker 1 And man, you just gotta you gotta feel so sorry for them. I mean, how bad

Speaker 1 like, I mean, I thought, I mean, dude, I remember when I was 15, 16 years old processing

Speaker 1 Cubans where it's so bad that you're going to fucking piece together a raft and

Speaker 1 you're going to give it a go for Miami.

Speaker 1 I remember being 16 going, how bad must that be? How bad must that be? Pretty fucking bad. Pretty fucking bad.
Pretty fucking bad.

Speaker 1 Their case is a little different because they're running from a communist dictatorship. And they were like, that's why the most Republican motherfuckers in this country are Cubans.
Cubans go hard.

Speaker 1 They're like, we've seen,

Speaker 1 we've seen what all this socialist horseshit comes down to. And it comes down to government control over every aspect of your life.
And they enforce it with violence. They enforce it with guns.

Speaker 1 It's not as simple as everybody just gives up whatever they have. And now everybody has an equal amount.
That's all nonsense.

Speaker 1 That's the hook. But the reality is the government controls everything and you are fucked.
And they always live in big ass houses and they eat great food and everybody else. And it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 It's from Africa to Cuba to Venezuela.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That whole.

Speaker 1 Have you ever hunted in Africa? I haven't, but I know I will.

Speaker 1 I can go on this show and say, man,

Speaker 1 I'm not one of those guys that's like thinking about an elephant or lions and all that. I just, I love to bow hunt and I love, I'd like plains animals, you know,

Speaker 1 your kudos and all that stuff, man.

Speaker 1 To be able to, when my boys get a little older and we can do a proper two-month,

Speaker 1 currently sports and my children have ruined my hunting life.

Speaker 1 Well, because my boys are going to play all the sports. But when we can get a, I'd love to do them a gap year and let's go do a true safari.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And when I say safari, that doesn't mean I want to go like hunt 60 days.

Speaker 1 I want to do like your, I want to see the, all of the Serengetis and all of the animals and take in the animals for a month and have like the wives and the girls and the girlfriends and we sit out there and do the safaris but then i want to carve out two or three days with all the boys go you know go get the true uh planes game uh yeah and i i would love it's man i tell you it's a pretty cool story uh my um

Speaker 1 my pilot my lead pilot is south african and uh during covet man he couldn't his mother was dying and he couldn't get down there to tell his mother bye. And at this point, I just

Speaker 1 kind of got to know AJ.

Speaker 1 And man,

Speaker 1 I've always heard that South Africans are pretty badass dudes. And at the time, I was learning that AJ is a pretty badass dude.
I didn't altogether know it. But,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 he got with me and he goes, Luke, man,

Speaker 1 it's still, I cannot get into South Africa.

Speaker 1 It may have been his mother or his wife's mother, but I called some local guys, some local Congress guys in Tennessee, and they granted him permission to um get down there and they got to tell uh either his wife's mother buy it well he comes back and he's like luke

Speaker 1 i now owe you a cape buffalo

Speaker 1 and i was like what

Speaker 1 he goes my family has a big ranch we're overrun with cape buffalo and you now have one of my cape buffalo so dude he is gonna fly me down there and i'm like and that's just kind of the way he's he's he's wired but you know he's gonna help us with some safari stuff don't they call them the black death yeah now they are bad yeah you you don't just go running up to them yeah like with with your not your shit together that's a big animal

Speaker 1 that's like a 1800 pound animal right maybe bigger and like

Speaker 1 all muscle

Speaker 1 So Cam and Adam Greentree, they went up to Australia. You know, Australia has like an infestation of Asian buffalo.
They have, I forget which type of buffalo it is, but invasive.

Speaker 1 So someone introduced it, like all the animals in Australia. A lot of the mammals were introduced and they have no natural predators.
So they have these buffalo up there everywhere.

Speaker 1 Cam said he shot one and he, you know, they went up there with no food and they went up there to live off the land.

Speaker 1 They're drinking out of fucking crocodile lakes, like literally bathing in that shit, filtering water,

Speaker 1 filtering water, eating whatever fish they caught. It's Cam's new version of pushing himself.

Speaker 1 Now he's going to. I think it was Adam's idea.
Oh, I got it. He's a psycho, too.
So the both of them are perfect together.

Speaker 1 So he said he had one piece of buffalo in his mouth for a half an hour, just chewing on it. He said, that's how tough they are.
He said it took forever to eat that thing.

Speaker 1 The true form of like, yeah, no,

Speaker 1 that's even a whole nother level of true organics when it takes you. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, when you're jerky, it's jerky right out of the, right out of of the you know right in the field but yeah well there's no dry-aged buffalo out there no that's a

Speaker 1 taste of it um i mean because most planes animals in africa uh historically they say are far beyond our planes animals as far as the meat like your kudos and your

Speaker 1 i mean you're i'm drawing a blank on all the planes games and like i said this is stuff that i'm like totally elementary in because i don't i I just don't know much about that whole African thing.

Speaker 1 It seems like the things that the big cats want to eat are all delicious. Right, yeah.
Like I showed you guys. You have a nil guy

Speaker 1 a couple years ago. Yeah, yeah.
And tigers eat them. Right.
Did you ever eat the nil? Yeah, it's delicious. And the meat is like an even more vivid,

Speaker 1 a more vivid red

Speaker 1 color to it than even our, you know, our elk and stuff. Well, it's all delicious.
My favorite is still elk, but another one is Axis deer.

Speaker 1 They get hunted by tigers, and they're some of the best-tasting animals alive. Axis deer are delicious.

Speaker 1 I think cats are smart, just like bears are smart, too. Salmon's delicious.

Speaker 1 Sit there and pick them off. They know what they're doing.
Well, have you done Africa? Are you going to do it? I would like to. I'd like to go over to Africa to see what you're doing.
So

Speaker 1 you really got it. Cam, was he kind of your catalyst?

Speaker 1 And God, I mean, it's like you had

Speaker 1 to. Michael Jordan teaches you how to get to the bottom of the field.
Michael Jordan teaches you how to shoot free throws. Yeah.
It's so fun, though.

Speaker 1 But, you know, even with God, I tell you, man, I dove hard into duck hunting and you talk about,

Speaker 1 you talk about, I mean, learning to blow a duck call.

Speaker 1 And when you think you know how to blow a duck call and then you get next to somebody that blows a duck call

Speaker 1 and you blow yours and the room starts laughing at you like like ridicule, like

Speaker 1 take your duck call off and put it in your bedroom and leave it when we go hunting. And I'm like, dude, I've been working on this fucking thing for four years.

Speaker 1 And they're like, and it's so funny, but it's like elk bugles. Yeah.
If someone who sucks at bugling, like you hear me like, what the fuck is that? I mean, it's like you walking in with a tutu on.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love duck hunting too. I've never done it, but I love the idea of it because you're sneaking.
You're hiding. You got fake ducks.
You got the whole deal.

Speaker 1 Some people have ducks that even have floppy. Oh, dude, we got all.
Listen, man, let me tell you something. Dude,

Speaker 1 I got given a chocolate lab about eight years ago. And here comes this wormy-ass chocolate lab into my home, you know, scrawny.

Speaker 1 And since then, oh my God, that damn animal has thrust me into duck hunting just so I could take him duck hunting. And man, it is.
That sounds like the same excuse you used with the kids.

Speaker 1 You're right, my kid. You have to go for the dog.
Yeah, for the dog. The dog needs some duck hunting.

Speaker 1 And my wife is, this dog, man,

Speaker 1 this dog can open every drawer in our house. He can open Frito-Lays with his, he can smack Frit-de-Lais open and eat them.

Speaker 1 He can, he can, he is, he's, he's pushed a porcelain pound cake, a pound cake on a porcelain island off onto the floor, ate the pound cake and the porcelain dish. And

Speaker 1 like x-ray, hundred shards of porcelain in his stomach. The vet's like, put that fucker out in the yard because there's, and if he makes it, if he lives, call me back.
He lived.

Speaker 1 And now I have duck hunting properties. And my boy, you know, so, and we're in the house blowing duck calls.
My wife's like, you know.

Speaker 1 I mean, my wife's like four boys in the house, all of them blowing duck calls. She's like, man, one day, yeah.

Speaker 1 So do you have one of them setups where you're like hiding in one of those shacks that's on your window? Well, yeah, we have

Speaker 1 elevated blinds that are brushed in and some brush, and then we have pit blinds that are, you know, when you get down in a pit blind. You're just lifted up.
Yeah, you're right along the water level.

Speaker 1 And then,

Speaker 1 you know, we have, you know, there's experiences where you wade in the woods and they come down in the woods. And man, it's just,

Speaker 1 and, and it's, the thing about the thing that really makes duck hunting kind of like when you're in a blind with your, with your, let's just say you got your buddies from way back and there's five of you and you're sitting there smoking cigars and, you know, you're, you're in the blind together and you're very, it's very social too.

Speaker 1 Drinking coffee, it's, you know, 15 degrees, coffee, cigar, you know, and everybody's like, shh, shit, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. And you work the ducks.
They light in front of you.

Speaker 1 You kill them. The dog gets them, brings the duck back.
You look at the duck, and you're just like,

Speaker 1 You just have a big old toque on your cigar, and you're like, Yeah, this is pretty good shit, right? Are you good at cooking them?

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. You know, the thing about it, when you do, uh, you know, your grain ducks, your ducks that feed on your rice and your and your

Speaker 1 corn. You know, you like a diver duck that eats essentially minnows.
Yeah, you know,

Speaker 1 you don't want to eat that. But uh, and geese, geese are,

Speaker 1 you find somebody that can cook a a goose You know the story about how to cook a goose?

Speaker 1 No well you get a big pot and you put your you put a you put a bunch of water and then you put a concrete cinder block in there and you boil the goose and you pull the goose out and eat the cinder block

Speaker 1 But some people can make

Speaker 1 goose

Speaker 1 goose a speckled goose spec speckle bellies are good. But like a mallard and a wood duck, oh man, a wood duck with jalapeno and cheese and bacon wrap, which

Speaker 1 nothing's bad when you do that. My friend Jesse Griffiths, he runs this restaurant out here called Die Douay.

Speaker 1 It's fantastic. And he serves a lot of wild game.
And Jesse came on this hunt with us with Steve Ronella down in South Texas. And Jesse cooked some diver duck.

Speaker 1 Was it good? It was fantastic. Whoever the hell Jesse is, he's a wizard.

Speaker 1 That's great. He's a real chef.

Speaker 1 So Ryan Seacress, he's like, hey, man. ryan secress the radio guy my guy yeah

Speaker 1 at american idol and uh secress goes hey i've got uh

Speaker 1 you need a light yeah he goes dude i booked this at emp 11 madison park number one at the time number one restaurant in downtown you know adam was uh uh

Speaker 1 ryan was taking me and katie and lionel to dinner and I've never been to a certainly the number one restaurant in the world. Well, they take us a tour of the kitchen.
And, dude, they have ducks,

Speaker 1 walls, because all of your French cuisine, really the centerpiece is duck. That's like the

Speaker 1 fat.

Speaker 1 The ducks are the real big part of

Speaker 1 French cuisine. Well, dude,

Speaker 1 I see all these ducks, and I'm like. What are y'all doing here? He goes, man, we're aging them.

Speaker 1 So they get these. Now, they're getting probably

Speaker 1 there. They're getting farm-raised organically grown ducks and they age them with the guts in them.
Yeah, I've heard of that.

Speaker 1 I've heard people do that with like pheasants, too. You hang them by their neck.
The enzymes of the guts pull stuff out of the meat. Well, it adds a flavor to it, apparently.
And dude, man, I ate it.

Speaker 1 It sketches me out. Yeah.
Well, here's the tricky part because,

Speaker 1 dude, I don't even know if I enjoyed my meal because I picked the chef's brain because I wanted to figure out a way to take my mallards and all my ducks I killed and age them properly.

Speaker 1 But what you do got to worry about is when you shoot them, you know, you're putting, you know, you're shooting,

Speaker 1 the guts are going

Speaker 1 through kind of in the meat a little bit. So that gets you.
If you shoot them, right? Yeah, right. So that's different than a headshot.
You know, I ain't got that good where I all headshot them yet.

Speaker 1 Now, when these guys are aging them, what's the temperature in the room?

Speaker 1 I think it's like

Speaker 1 just above,

Speaker 1 they're not freezing them i think it's however you would dry age a cow so like 40 degrees probably 40 degrees and 13 15 days with the guts in them and then 15 days with the guts in them i've heard that people hang their pheasants until their their heads fall off and that's when they that's when they cut them up

Speaker 1 like who figured that out like who was the bold bastard it's the guy that ate the first

Speaker 1 guy that ate the first oyster right you know the guy who drank out of the puddle right Yeah, and it is fascinating. And pheasant, and when you look at pheasant and quail and chuckers and

Speaker 1 Hungarian partridge now,

Speaker 1 you're talking about the end-all of

Speaker 1 wild game, in my opinion, the top of the...

Speaker 1 That's what you like the most? Well, I think when you look at the pheasants,

Speaker 1 they call them prairie chickens and they're beautiful. The meat's a little wider and less gamier.

Speaker 1 Have you had Sandhill Crane? Yes, rib out of the sky. I haven't, but it's crazy to look at it.
It does look like steak. It's a red meat, a deep red meat, and it's a bird.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 they're wild little creatures too, man. You know, when you take your lab Sandhill crane hunting, you got to fit them with goggles.
Because of poker eyes up?

Speaker 1 Yep. Whoa.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 I just got in a golf course property down in Florida. And we sold our beach house and then we're kind of migrating to this place.
And I fly down to the tour of the property and I'm like, dude,

Speaker 1 what are y'all doing with all these Sandhill cranes? And they're like, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 Like a golf course guy.

Speaker 1 And I said, dude, that's the rib eye of the sky, bro. He's like, he looked it up and you can't shoot Sandhill cranes in Florida.
What? Dude, they are. Somebody called the governor.

Speaker 1 Everywhere. Really? Everywhere on this property.
You can't shoot Sandhill cranes in Florida, but you can shoot alligators?

Speaker 1 Unless they're lying to me because they're scared I'm going to go like

Speaker 1 I'm going to like you know have a psychotic episode and go running out through the golf course with a guns. Maybe it's just the area where you're at.
You couldn't shoot alligators.

Speaker 1 They may be protected in certain counties. But, you know, even in Tennessee, Florida Center

Speaker 1 under the federal. They're protected under the Federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act.
Look at that shit. Wow.
State rule, blah, blah, blah. Intentional feeding of sandhill cranes is prohibited.

Speaker 1 So you can't hunt them. Wow, they're protected.
Well, in Tennessee, we we have

Speaker 1 in Tennessee, there's a couple guys that guide them. And I think it's a draw tag.
You can draw, you can put in to draw a Sandhill Crane tag. And then, man,

Speaker 1 they make a very distinct.

Speaker 1 Something like that. And dude, you can hear them.
And I'll hear them coming over my farm. And, God, if that's the wrong noise I just made, I'm going to get.
Sounds good. I'm going to.

Speaker 1 You got it?

Speaker 1 whoa

Speaker 1 I love this guy I need me one of that's them

Speaker 1 now that's

Speaker 1 all of them yeah that's you hear that yeah

Speaker 1 what a fucking cool animal they sound like something from avatar see those beaks yeah

Speaker 1 Those are

Speaker 1 Labrador retriever blinders right there.

Speaker 1 How do you fasten the goggles on a dog? Man, oh God, here he goes.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, this is like the

Speaker 1 Sandhill Crane goggles for labs. This is going to be great.
Does it.

Speaker 1 How does it secure on? I'm thinking about a dog secretary.

Speaker 1 I guess you've seen those dogs in those side cars on the

Speaker 1 motorcycles.

Speaker 1 Probably that rig.

Speaker 1 But.

Speaker 1 I mean, I Googled something and that popped it up. Yeah, I don't think that's the same.
Yeah, that's like

Speaker 1 an aspen. That's two dogs being silly.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 yeah, so in Tennessee, you can hire a guy and he'll take you and they'll kind of get him coming in an area. And I think you can get it.
Yeah, there you go. Oh, there it goes.
There you go. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. No, those look like.
I think those are snow geese. Snow geese are probably the same.
Look at their goggles all scratched up, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Crane hunt. No, those are.
Yeah, those are sandhills. Wow, that's crazy.
Dogs need to have their eyes protected. Yeah, so when you, when you get,

Speaker 1 yeah, well, you've got your golden.

Speaker 1 But, man, if you get you a lab and, oh, man, beware of that because you will get hooked.

Speaker 1 I'm sure I would be. Also, I love duck.
Duck's delicious. Oh, on the grill, marinate it and marinate it properly for a day or two, playing on it.
That's what Jesse does.

Speaker 1 That's the difference between Jesus. Jesus does the diver duck.
I'm telling you, this diver duck was sensational. Well, but

Speaker 1 that's what what you got to watch in all wild game is, man, plan it. Preparation.
Get it marinated,

Speaker 1 and man, you just can't beat it. Yeah, you got to know what you're cooking, how to cook it, especially if you're cooking something that has low body fat.

Speaker 1 You got to make sure you cook it nice and slow. Right.
You know, that's one of the great things about things like a Traeger. You can just set it for $2.65.

Speaker 1 Best thing in a way. Leave it.
The new one's fantastic, too. It's just, everything comes out so smoky and delicious.
If you know what I'm saying, man, my dad, 4th of July,

Speaker 1 he was, I think he was drunk and hated us on 4th of July because he stayed up smoking the Boston butt every night.

Speaker 1 You know, I remember my dad, man, he'd have that old char broil out there, and he'd get up with his vinegar and all this shit.

Speaker 1 And he would wake up all night, night before the 4th, and smoke them butts, man. And now you just walk out, put that thing on 220 at about 8 p.m.,

Speaker 1 wake up at 8 a.m.

Speaker 1 The app tells you if you're low on pellets I know it's like what are we doing here it's crazy it's so much easier

Speaker 1 there's something that men are attracted to like cooking over wood though like an actual fire well and we're in the heart of it in Texas you know right here I mean these guys take a damn

Speaker 1 you know they propane tanks they glue four propane tanks together and have a smokestack and the guy that uh what's our guy that does our charity event uh oh my god i can't believe i'm i'll i'll come up with him but mark text me,

Speaker 1 Meet Church. Have you met the Meat Church dude? I've met that dude.
Yeah, yeah, he comes. He's got some awesome rubs.
He's got all that.

Speaker 1 But then what's funny is, yeah, he pulled up to our charity event with his big smoker. And man, I'm like, this is like Elon Musk style engineering on this thing.

Speaker 1 It's pretty, you know, and man, you know, they get out there. And yeah, they'll look at me and you doing Traegers.
And we're, that's about like us.

Speaker 1 That's our version of having a tutu on.

Speaker 1 It is funny because people want to do it all themselves. The offset smokers.
Like, have you ever gone to Terry Black's here and see the lines of the offset smokers?

Speaker 1 Terry Black's is the number one barbecue place in the country, probably in the world. They cook more volume of barbecue than anywhere else on the country.

Speaker 1 And they have just line after line of these giant propane tank smokers with briskets and

Speaker 1 fribs and spare ribs. See, when I moved to Nashville, being a South Georgia boy, I'd never even heard of brisket.
Really?

Speaker 1 We only knew pork barbecue.

Speaker 1 So when I moved to Nashville and then, like, there's some dude there with a Texas brisket restaurant in Nashville, I'm like, what are they talking about, brisket?

Speaker 1 And this was 2001, I moved to Nashville. This is how insulated you could be in your own,

Speaker 1 you know, as we talk about the ways of the world changing. I mean, it's like, dude, I lived in a section in everybody, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama.

Speaker 1 Brisket was like.

Speaker 1 I think brisket was originally a German thing. I think it was like with the sausages.
Like, there was cuts of the meat. Well, the smoker thing came certainly from German immigrants that came to Texas.

Speaker 1 That's where the origin of the barbecue out here. And then the home.
And then the brisket was like cuts that nobody else wanted. Right.
Right.

Speaker 1 So they figured out a way to take these cuts that nobody else wanted and turn them into something delicious. They just had to do it over time and now it's like a preferred cut.

Speaker 1 You know, if you go to Terry Black's, the brisket's sensational. And they're probably cooking, yeah, the preferred cuts of like which cut of the brisket would you like?

Speaker 1 Not the old flank meat down there, you know, probably you can probably get the ribeye and all that. I think it's all just how long you cook it for.

Speaker 1 How you do it, what temperature. And they wrap it and then they unwrap it and they spray it.
Like they have it down to a science. And then at the end, it's like

Speaker 1 the key is you want to be able to fold it over your finger and not have it break apart. Just get it to just where it folds over.
See, our deal was just always smoke a big pig, you know, smoke a pig,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 you know, not the not the ones big as this table, but you know, about that long. 100-pounder.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And woke up there on the family reunion, and all the women were grossed out because, you know, you're just pulling the big pig, you know, the big, you know, you can pull that meat off a pig.

Speaker 1 It's like that. So,

Speaker 1 God, we're getting hungry, Joe. I know.

Speaker 1 That's the good thing about wild pigs, too.

Speaker 1 They're always available to hunt. Like, one of the great things about Texas,

Speaker 1 it's not good if you run a ranch or if you have a farm, but if you're a person who wants to hunt, you can hunt wild pigs for 65 days a year and always have sausage. Our place, and

Speaker 1 me and my best friend, we've got a like a quail hunting place in down in the heart of South Georgia, tons of swamps. Dude, we were

Speaker 1 which you know all the math, and I'm sure you've brought it up on

Speaker 1 how many

Speaker 1 sow pigs or, you know, they'll kick off

Speaker 1 30 pigs a year.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 we would have them roll through our front yard, $30,000 damage a night. Yeah.
And the most, and for anybody out there listening, and if you have this going on,

Speaker 1 we mounted lights in all the trees around our whole lodge. And you flip them lights on, and we haven't had one wild hog root up our yard since.

Speaker 1 They will not come around those lights. They don't, it's a great tactic.
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah and when somebody told him, you know some good old boy told him and he was like, man we'll try anything because

Speaker 1 you would walk out there and it looked like 300 landmines went off. And the night before our yard looked like Augusta.
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? I mean, they are bad little dudes now.

Speaker 1 They do a lot of damage. I mean, in Texas alone, it's millions and millions of dollars of damage to crops every year.
They shoot them out of helicopters here.

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Speaker 1 You ever done any of that? Have you?

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 Man, it is. It's the most unfair type of hunting that's ever existed.

Speaker 1 Man, if

Speaker 1 I don't know, you know, my children, I took my boys.

Speaker 1 And somewhere there's a, you know, I hope he doesn't hear it, but there's a Navy SEAL Marine recruiter because my sons are ready for warfare after doing that. I'm like,

Speaker 1 but, you know, the guy that we took, you know, he's got a big, beautiful high fence. And, you know, you fly around and, man, you can, you know,

Speaker 1 he has to thin them out every year. Yeah, you have to.
But it's so fun doing it out of a helicopter.

Speaker 1 You don't want to thin them all out because you just keep wanting to, you know, you keep wanting to do it a little bit. But,

Speaker 1 but, uh, it's a, you hadn't done that yet? No. No.
I'm still

Speaker 1 I just mostly bow hunt them well you know the

Speaker 1 our our our our pick stuff in in Georgia man it it's fun because you can go on a deer hunt you can shoot some deer with a bow and then we'll take a rifle and late in the evening the hogs will come out and and

Speaker 1 you know I know a lot of guys shoot them at nighttime too yeah yeah and then we have the thermals we have guys with the big you know with the big you know trap doors that trap trap them and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 they're probably the number one,

Speaker 1 you know, wildlife.

Speaker 1 I never will forget.

Speaker 1 You know, right when like maybe iPhones come out and you get your iPhone news updates, and then I never even knew what the magazine like The New Yorker was or like The Guardian and all those things.

Speaker 1 Well, The New Yorker, I'm scrolling through and I see Feral Pigs, and it was this huge article done by a guy,

Speaker 1 maybe the editor of The New Yorker. Man, he did a great job with that article and just went through, and this was 15 years ago, I read that article about, you know, the feral hog problems.

Speaker 1 And, you know, you would think,

Speaker 1 I don't know, I would think the New Yorker

Speaker 1 leans quite left. But the fact that this guy wrote the article from a perspective of

Speaker 1 huge problem,

Speaker 1 need to be dealt with was

Speaker 1 pretty badass take on it.

Speaker 1 well once people see the sheer numbers they're so overwhelming that you go wait a minute how

Speaker 1 how are you gonna stop this how are you gonna stop it from multiplying continually every year well you're not you're not there's places that you're not gonna get to the

Speaker 1 in Georgia and these these swampy deals you can't you know you can't you can't helicopter them there so that's when you get you know that's when you get these old boys with their with their dogs and they run off in the run off in the that'll help but even then so joe here's here's another thing you think about this so when i started my high fence the year that i the year that i started it

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 our turkey population in tennessee which it's it's been going through hell

Speaker 1 um and you'll hear this

Speaker 1 The turkey population in Tennessee was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I mean, eastern turkey hunting, one of the most beautiful things in the wildlife that the state of Tennessee has.

Speaker 1 and my turkey population was like is amazing and still is but we hired a guy and he put 110 traps out 110

Speaker 1 and night one had a hundred

Speaker 1 over a hundred varmints coons Possums armadillos in the traps night one. So they're just killing all the turkeys.
They eat the eggs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, they're

Speaker 1 you know a turkey lays 12 to 14 eggs. Now, listen, I found this out this year.
This is going, I hope,

Speaker 1 if I can get a couple nuggets that you hadn't learned yet, that's kind of the goal for the day.

Speaker 1 So, a turkey does not lay their eggs all at the same time. Really? They lay their eggs one day at a time.

Speaker 1 They lay it next to a water source. They go to the water source, hold the water in their mouth, drip the water on the eggs periodically,

Speaker 1 using the water to hatch them at the same time. Because a hen turkey, if she had to hatch,

Speaker 1 all the eggs hatch at the same time.

Speaker 1 But if she had to hatch them for 12 days, she could never keep them corralled properly.

Speaker 1 So she manipulates with water. And if I'm wrong, now this is a biologist that told me this.
I heard this this year. Totally blew my mind.

Speaker 1 So in the nest, and I've walked up on them, they got 12 or 13 of them sitting there beautifully. And whatever that hen does, she manages those eggs to hatch at the same time.
Wow. And maybe, maybe,

Speaker 1 now like a tortoise, I guess, or a beach turtle or whatever. You know, I think they

Speaker 1 sped them all out that night, but

Speaker 1 a hen turkey does not. Well, so one armadillo rolls by that nest.

Speaker 1 And that's a wrap. That's a wrap.
She just lost them all. And

Speaker 1 so there was a big study that went on in Tennessee about the decline of the turkey population. So what do they do about that? They're not

Speaker 1 well, you know, well, trapping now is so rare. You know, trapping,

Speaker 1 the art of trapping has gone down quite a bit and the arm of the

Speaker 1 oh, and I'm not even bringing up coyotes in Tennessee. But

Speaker 1 so, yeah, if you can, if they can loosen up, Tennessee can loosen up their trapping laws and make it more available. And

Speaker 1 you just got to thin out those,

Speaker 1 you know, armadillas in Tennessee, you would have never,

Speaker 1 man, we woke up and we can ride around and shoot 30 a night. Really? Armadillas, 30.

Speaker 1 Don't they carry like crazy? Man, I wouldn't recommend touching them. You know, they, they, you know, they say they do, but that, that's,

Speaker 1 that makes people eat them? I'd never heard of that, but you probably can find some of them. They definitely eat raccoons.

Speaker 1 They definitely eat raccoons, and definitely, I don't know about opossums, but

Speaker 1 if you're eating a possum,

Speaker 1 your ass is hungry. You're very hungry.
But raccoons, I mean, yeah, in Georgia, where we grew up,

Speaker 1 had several old-timers, man. They'd get them a coon, and it was always a kind of a party deal.

Speaker 1 What does a raccoon taste like? I never had. I never.
Well, we got an old buddy down there. He's like, you know what bald eagle tastes like?

Speaker 1 Ow.

Speaker 1 So I guess you could say raccoon. You know, I had a buddy of mine tell a game warden that joke.
It didn't go over well. So, but.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of shit that people eat, that people would go, what?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, when you're talking about,

Speaker 1 I saw somebody do the pig deal with a full Gator. Oh, I've seen that before.
And I hadn't done that. I've had Gator tail, but I had a little bit of a little bit of a little

Speaker 1 giant smoker and put a Gator in it. Put the whole thing on.
And they skin skin it and all that. Put an apple in its mouth.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what's crazy in Georgia? There's a place rural.

Speaker 1 So all the chicken farms down there, huge chicken farms, all of them. Well, what do you do with the chicken carcasses?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, there's a lot that used to grind them up and feed them back to chickens, but some of them get well, they feed them to Gator farms.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. They put them in a put them in a

Speaker 1 limb, a limb shredder. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Now, you talk about the most foul smell on the planet.

Speaker 1 Go into a Gator Farm warehouse.

Speaker 1 Joe.

Speaker 1 Buddy. Just rot.

Speaker 1 Nothing can replicate. Maybe the Serstramen challenge can repro, you know, the

Speaker 1 whole Serstramen joke thing. What's that? You've seen where the guys pop the lid on the Swedish fish? No.

Speaker 1 Oh, Joe. Sirstromen? What is it?

Speaker 1 Oh, we did it at our deer camp. It's like an aged, sweetest fish that's rotten in a can.
It's aged? For years. Like a sardine.

Speaker 1 And so, yeah, the Serstramen challenge.

Speaker 1 Dude, we pop that thing. So people fish with them? They use it for bait, like for a cowfish.

Speaker 1 People eat that. Oh, foul.

Speaker 1 And if you can stay in the room with it.

Speaker 1 Have you tried it? Dude, no one.

Speaker 1 No, I was outside 15 yards from it throwing up in the flower bed. All right, we got to order some, Jamie.

Speaker 1 Order some. I'm glad I didn't get you.

Speaker 1 I might eat it on Fight Companion. But

Speaker 1 they're on the verge of passing a no-fur law. So if Denver passes a no-fur law, what are they going to do about cowboy hats that have beaver skin lining?

Speaker 1 And then if you're going to say no-fur, how are you going to say no-fur, fur, but you're allowing leather?

Speaker 1 So skin is okay as long as you take the furry part off. Is the furry part what's offensive?

Speaker 1 You know what you would fucking,

Speaker 1 the chaos that would ensue if you outlawed leather?

Speaker 1 Everybody's belt is illegal. Everybody's shoes are illegal.
Air Jordans are illegal. They're calling it illegal.
Illegal. Yeah, they're trying to pass a law.

Speaker 1 They're trying to pass a law where they ban fur. Sorry.

Speaker 1 They've done it before. I mean, they've done another way.

Speaker 1 Like I said, where does it,

Speaker 1 Joe? I'm at whatever. It just keeps going.
That's the problem. When I'm in America and never fucking ends.
When I'm at American. No.

Speaker 1 It's never going to end. They're going to keep pushing.

Speaker 1 It'll get to you can't eat meat. It'll get to it.
Has to be lab-grown meat. It'll get to, it could get as crazy as you could ever imagine.

Speaker 1 There's animal rights people that would like to push it in that direction.

Speaker 1 And you would have never thought that this would be possible, but you would have never thought that you would have biological males competing against females in high school sports, and that's everywhere.

Speaker 1 And if you complain against that, you're a bigot. You're seeing the craziest of crazy thinking.

Speaker 1 There's people that think the pedophiles are minor attracted persons, and they'll talk about this as university professors teaching classes. It's been recorded, people have seen it.

Speaker 1 It's not everywhere, but it's enough where you go, I see where this goes if it keeps going. Because none of this shit existed 20 years ago.
You go back to 2004, there was none of this shit. Nothing.

Speaker 1 A transgender person was a rare person with gender dysphoria. It was very rare and there wasn't a lot of hatred towards those people.
It wasn't a thing that people worried about.

Speaker 1 Now there is because everybody's like, what the fuck? Why is this in schools? Why are you having them? There was a recent pool tournament where it was a women's pool tournament in the semifinals.

Speaker 1 It's two

Speaker 1 trans women competing against each other. Two men, two biological men that wear lipstick competing against each other in a women's tournament.
It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 So I would have never thought that would be possible. So it can get to a point where there's no meat.
It can get to the point where meat, there's this demonization of meat.

Speaker 1 You keep hearing about it all the time. Meat is the number one source of carbon.
It's fucking complete, total horseshit. It's not even number two.
It's not number three. It's not even fucking close.

Speaker 1 Cow farts. Yeah, it's the dumbest shit ever.
And by the way, all of that is factory farming. Regenerative farming is actually carbon neutral.

Speaker 1 If they don't sequester carbon, it's actually good for carbon.

Speaker 1 There's a whole reason why there's a balanced ecosystem of cows eating grass and the grass fermenting in their stomach and then creating manure. And that manure

Speaker 1 regenerates. It's carbon neutral.
It's actually good for the environment and everything feeds off everything. There's a system that nature has evolved for millions of years.

Speaker 1 That's the normal way it's supposed to be done.

Speaker 1 And, you know, we're just living in a crazy time. Yeah, when you think of Denver and Colorado and the outdoors, man, you got to appreciate everybody's opinion of,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 you know, the, the grow, you know, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's a so old term, the granolaist, but it ain't granola no more. I mean, it's, it's, it's.
They're getting a lot further than granola. Granola used to be normal until they did.

Speaker 1 See, the thing is, those people were weird and rare, and they were tolerated.

Speaker 1 But then they got online and say if there's only ten of them in this town and five of them in that town, well, now there's hundreds of thousands of them collectively in the country, all as a group.

Speaker 1 And then they think that they're activists. So they think that they're doing something good.
So then they start saying things like, no fur in Colorado, pass this bill.

Speaker 1 And you start saying, no meat, no more meat. No one should have meat.

Speaker 1 What are you going to do with these cows? What are you going to do? You're going to go around castrating all those bulls? What are you going to do? How are you going to control the populations?

Speaker 1 Are you going to let them go extinct? Are you going to castrate all the bulls? Are you going to let some of them breed? How are you going to make this distinction?

Speaker 1 Are you going to bring in wolves to handle them? What are you going to do? What the fuck are you going to do? What are you going to do with all those people that work at the butcher shop?

Speaker 1 What are you going to do with all those people that work at the meat processing plant? What are you going to do with all those people that have been transporting meat back and forth?

Speaker 1 What do you do with all those jobs, all those families, all their income, all their businesses that they've had for a hundred fucking years? What are you going to do with that?

Speaker 1 These people have like the most minimal understanding of the system that they're trying to influence.

Speaker 1 They don't know what the fuck they're doing by releasing wolves. They think wolves are beautiful.
Yay. You see the governor? He's releasing the wolves.
He's like, yay. He looks so happy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're going to be saying yay

Speaker 1 when they're damn,

Speaker 1 I don't know, dude.

Speaker 1 The dogs are getting eaten. Dog, everything.

Speaker 1 Dude, let me tell you something. Well, no, yeah, they brought in wolves that had a history of killing cattle.
The wolves they brought into Colorado.

Speaker 1 It's no different than the grizzly focusing on humans. And, man,

Speaker 1 I live just south of Nashville. We got 180 acres.

Speaker 1 I've got neighborhoods all around us, man.

Speaker 1 About every now and then, email goes out. Little Fluffy's gone.
Coyotes?

Speaker 1 We put six coyote traps out on my farm one night.

Speaker 1 Six for six. Wow.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 let me tell you what else is a little vicious son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 A fucking otter. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Otters will fuck you up. Let me tell you, buddy, those things are.

Speaker 1 I mean, Joe, I am so, like, I mean,

Speaker 1 like I said, my brain is bass fishing and all this stuff. Man, we'll have otters come up into my bass pond.

Speaker 2 And fuck those bass up.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about

Speaker 1 they're fucking gone, the fish, in three nights. The fish are gone.
And the otters

Speaker 1 eat one and play play with the other ones that they kill. Wow.

Speaker 1 And like you go by my lake,

Speaker 1 like I have an all-female bass lake at my house, which you're going to, this is a whole nother fun deal. They will roll through there and eat my all-females and just throw them up on the bank.

Speaker 1 There's carcasses.

Speaker 1 How many?

Speaker 1 Oh, you get four otters in your pond on a 17-acre lake. They'll eat 20 bass a night.

Speaker 1 and you the problem is you don't know you've been got until it's too late until you've been got wow and so joe a tit to grow a 10 pound bass

Speaker 1 is about three thousand dollars

Speaker 1 And think about it. I've been loving on these damn fish.
I've been walking out there, making sure they're happy so we can all catch them. And yeah, look at them.
And then damn, M damn otters roll.

Speaker 1 So they'll, if you have an overflow a spillway on your farm and it runs through your farm and dumps into a major river body of water and that otter swims by that water dumping in that river he is up that river he's up that spillway into your lake and he is he has got you wow and we'll put traps out dude and man they just keep coming Wow keep coming and I'm talking about otter pelts

Speaker 1 I mean

Speaker 1 like the prettiest thing you've ever seen. So do you turn them into coats or anything?

Speaker 1 I mean, we've got enough where, you know, we can, we've got them skinned out in freezers and rolled up in our freezers. And my farm guys,

Speaker 1 I mean, I think they're, but you know, the sad part is there, the market for that should be an amazing market, but I don't, I don't, I think, because everybody's scared to say they got a damn otter pelt.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, but.
Yeah, fur. It's fur's got a bad name.
If it's got hair on it, leather's fine.

Speaker 1 None of it's fine. But leather's fine with people.
No one has a problem with you wearing cowboy boots. Nobody gets mad.
Yeah, see? Leather. Nobody gets mad at leather.

Speaker 1 All that is is fur with no fucking hair on it. It's the same thing.
It's weird. But damn otters, man, them little rascals, you know, they.

Speaker 1 I got, I'm building a lake at my place in Georgia, and it's right on the Flint River. You're running wildlife management.
I love it, man. It's so fun.

Speaker 1 It's so damn fun. Like, it's four hours of my day.
And it also cleanses your mind, right? Totally. Just like hunting.
It's totally,

Speaker 1 and it is not for myself.

Speaker 1 You can't, my enjoyment is to watch

Speaker 1 my buddies,

Speaker 1 my children's friends come enjoy it too. You know, my sons will bring a buddy home from school.
And next thing you know, Tate and his 13-year-old buddy are shooting bows in the front yard all weekend.

Speaker 1 And this kid, who doesn't have a dad that hunts or has the ability, next thing you know, I got one kid,

Speaker 1 Tate's buddy James,

Speaker 1 his eighth consecutive weekend at my house hunting.

Speaker 1 Just loving

Speaker 1 life, shooting bow and arrows. Did you show him how to shoot correctly? Got it all, got him dialed in.
He shot his first dough this weekend. Nice.
Just so fun.

Speaker 1 And so, so, you know, when you meet these guys that they don't let anybody else enjoy it, I don't like those guys either. Yeah.
And, you know, I love to

Speaker 1 enjoy it with people. But, you know, the bass fishing thing is a blast.
But my lake in Georgia, it's going to be about 35 acres, and I think we'll do an all-female lake down there. Why all-female?

Speaker 1 That way they can't breed. Your females are your trophy bass.
Right, the big fat ones. The big fat ones.
But don't they have to get pregnant to be really big and fat? You put them in, and

Speaker 1 if you don't, don't, they don't have to be pregnant. Well, they just have to have the big eggs and when they lay them they just have to have

Speaker 1 a male not fertilizer.

Speaker 1 That's right. Of course.
So if you get a male in there, then the male, then you have a natural thriving. He'll eat the babies too, though, right?

Speaker 1 A male, a bass will forage on themselves. Yeah.
And but male bass, now I have three lakes that are naturally

Speaker 1 their own ecosystem where we have to

Speaker 1 you know i've got an 82 acre bass lake that we have to catch 3 500 pounds of bass a year just to keep them from not choking themselves out really oh yeah it's 3 500

Speaker 1 pounds so what do you do just call your friends dude we have bass roundups and we get out there and we catch them and we'll load up coolers and take them into the little towns and give them you know have give them to people and i mean it becomes a problem it's a weird thing with largemouth bass too, because a lot of people don't eat them, and yet they're delicious.

Speaker 1 They're good, they're great, they're great. They're basically the same as bluegills.

Speaker 1 Well, bluegills, bluegills,

Speaker 1 you know, like all the bluegills at my lake are, we feed them pellet food, so they'll get big, so the bass will eat them, so the bass will get big.

Speaker 1 And you don't want to go eat a bluegill that's been parked under a pellet, yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 a little wild bluegill stream or a little natural creek where I grew up in Georgia, like shellcrackers and bluegill

Speaker 1 that eat like a cricket or that are eating live stuff. You fillet one of them real small creek or river bluegills and fry them up.
Oh, nothing better in the world.

Speaker 1 Bass is similar to that. Oh, bass, if you eat it.
Nice flaky white meat.

Speaker 1 Flaky white meat, get you a three or four pound bass, fillet it like a red snapper. But people like catching them so much, they want you to release them.

Speaker 1 We spent our whole life, my dad would catch bass, We would fillet them. He'd put them in a Pyrex dish, sauté them, bake them, and then broil them on top.
And

Speaker 1 we'd eat largemouth bass.

Speaker 1 You know, you could either have salmon croquettes that stink up the whole house,

Speaker 1 you know, where you knew your mama was cooking them, or you can have fresh bass. You know, so we grew up.

Speaker 1 But isn't it a weird animal, or weird fish, rather, that a lot of people don't eat, but it's good to eat.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 you wouldn't want everybody fishing your big reservoirs. Like Texas is the best big bass lake reservoir state in the country.
You wouldn't want everybody out there keeping them. You know,

Speaker 1 you want to practice catch and release on your big public reservoirs. Right.
But, you know, when you've got a private impoundment where,

Speaker 1 you know, you know,

Speaker 1 you want to keep your bass. Because your bass, you'll wake up.

Speaker 1 Let's just say you've got a nice brand new bass lake you built, 10 acres. You stock it.
You spend 50 grand to put your bluegill,

Speaker 1 all your fish in there. Well, you know, then you just don't ever catch them.
Well, then in five years, you've lost it.

Speaker 1 Right. You have to manage it.
Yeah, you're done. Your lake's done.

Speaker 1 Your three-pound bass didn't have enough fish to get to four pounds, and then he missed a year of growing, or she missed a year of growing, and then you just put a $50,000 investment in your bass lake, and then you're out.

Speaker 1 You might as well drain it, start over. You know what I'd really like to do? Get a place in the north and have a lake with pike in it.

Speaker 1 I think they might be my favorite thing to catch because they're so ruthless. That's such a ruthless fish.

Speaker 1 Animal. Fucking dinosaur.
A killer. They look like dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 First time I caught a pike, I'm like, why isn't this like the most exciting thing to catch?

Speaker 1 They fight hard. Or a muskie.
Jesus. I've never caught one of those.
Me either. That's the first one.
We got a

Speaker 1 thousand casts. Yeah.
See,

Speaker 1 I'm not that dude. Now, I'll wait and hunt it.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm not a

Speaker 1 like, I don't have to have the biggest, best animal my whole life. Like, I don't roll.
You know, some people, they're like.

Speaker 1 They get into numbers. They're size queens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or score. I'm not that guy.
I'm an experienced. Let's have fun.
Let's see a lot of animals. Let's catch a lot of fish.
Let's keep a lot of action. Let's keep the kids engaged.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 like when my boys were, you know, when my boys were four and five, I'd take them.

Speaker 1 You don't want to take them out there on their first three bass fishing trips and you burn them in the hot sun and they catch one fish. Right.
You want them

Speaker 1 engaged and

Speaker 1 get them going. But yeah, pike and all that, that, you know, steelheading, that northwest steelheading,

Speaker 1 catching one, man, I don't, that's just, I hadn't done that. I can't do that.
That's a release fish, too, right?

Speaker 1 Well, those are, those are the, yeah, those are high on the list of, especially like C-run steelheads.

Speaker 1 You know, you have, you have some that are kind of locked in, you know,

Speaker 1 locked in the reservoir locked, but you get those big C-run steelheads and they, they really hold them, and they should hold them in high regard. You, you shouldn't,

Speaker 1 you need to leave those alone and let them, you know, let them come and go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then why are you catching them?

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Why are you fucking with those fish? Because that's

Speaker 1 it's a little bit of that. I get it.
It's fun. I'm not opposed to it.
I get it. But if I catch fish, I like to eat them.
That's the whole reason why I'm catching fish. See, that, you know what?

Speaker 1 That's why I like to catch walleyes. I would still say you're in the majority.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're in the majority. That's how it should be.

Speaker 1 I mean, imagine if you just run around shooting deer with tranquilized darts. Like, I got them.

Speaker 1 A little weird. A little weird.
Yeah, I've said that. Just to prove that you did it.
Yeah, you know, and then they make bumper tips, you know, they make bumper tips on bows. You can

Speaker 1 doink deer in the ass and run them off.

Speaker 1 And they're like, why are you doinking a deer in the ass?

Speaker 1 It's a little weird.

Speaker 1 It's like they make those clubheads so you can shoot squirrels and birds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, man, listen, dude, I grew up, you know, my little town of Leesburg, man. I mean, every year I got a pellet gun for Christmas.
And And

Speaker 1 I got a full

Speaker 1 camo onesie or a coverall. And dude, I'd put my new pair of Chippewa hunting boots.

Speaker 1 I'd put my new set of coveralls on with the camo pattern. I'd hit the neighborhood walking around with a pellet gun shooting the neighbor squirrels.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 we'd eat them. You know, we'd eat them every now and then.
It's a little old lady, Mabel Coxwell, we'd skin them and she'd fry them with some wild rice. They taste good.

Speaker 1 If you cook a squirrel and do it right, man, it ain't nothing wrong with a squirrel. Isn't that crazy that most people don't know that? Right.
Squirrels are delicious. Squirrel hunting

Speaker 1 is very popular in part of the world. Squirrel dumplings.
Squirrel dumplings. Squirrel dumplings.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Instead of chicken and dumplings, squirrel dumplings.

Speaker 1 You know, you get a squirrel and clean it right and brine it for the night and cook it with dumplings and put some onions and celery and all that and you're off to the races.

Speaker 1 People think of them, they have like fluffy tail privilege. Rat tail.
Rats with tails. Because you see a rat.
Rats have those slimy tails. And people are like, that's disgusting.

Speaker 1 And they see that fluffy tail, like, oh, so cute.

Speaker 1 Not much different.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 the fact that, you know.

Speaker 1 The fact that, yeah, I could run rampant with a,

Speaker 1 at

Speaker 1 nine years old through the neighborhood riding my Honda 50 motorcycle, you know, through people's backyards you know chasing squirrels and everybody's like thank you that damn thing's been in my attic chewing up my my pink panther insulation for uh that's rural life right that's rural people well that's people that understand what's going on yeah that's the difference between if you did that in a neighborhood in manhattan people like what the is this guy doing we need these squirrels

Speaker 1 If they caught you in Central Park with a pellet gun, you'd go to jail.

Speaker 1 First round ticket.

Speaker 1 Do not pass, go, do not collect.

Speaker 1 If you break into a store and rob it, nothing will happen to you. They'll let you right out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but if you get caught in Central Park shooting squirrels and eating them, you're going to get in real trouble.

Speaker 1 It's wild. We live in a wild world.
It's a very strange, distorted version of what human beings have been experiencing for most of history.

Speaker 1 I mean, nothing is wrong with hunting a little bit.

Speaker 1 Especially when 95% of the world eats meat. It's a stupid argument.
Well, and I think, you know, I think it's all trendy, too. I think the beauty is now with the education of,

Speaker 1 you know, I mean, you look at, you know, you look at how great, you know, carnivore diets are being, you know, I've never done like a big old carnivore. Have you ever done a big carnivore? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did it change your life? Oh, yeah.
That's mostly how I eat. Great.
I eat fruit and meat. Great.
99%. I fuck around.
Like, my daughter likes to cook cookies. I had a big-ass cookie the other day.

Speaker 1 It was awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not ridiculous. I'll eat other things.
I'm not religious about it, but most of my diet, like 90%, is just meat and occasionally fruit.

Speaker 1 Fruit before I work out, fruit sometimes after I work out, but mostly it's just meat.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 you know, like I said, the best thing about what you do here is you give everybody their platform to talk about

Speaker 1 their way. Yeah.
And, you know, your platform is enlightened me. I mean, you know, dude, I've never, you know, I was around some dude that was talking about, you know,

Speaker 1 micro-dosing mushrooms and all that. Dude, I never saw a drug.

Speaker 1 I never saw a drug

Speaker 1 until I was 30. Did you see Moonshine?

Speaker 1 Saw Moonshine a lot. That's a drug.
Well, that is a fucking drug. Yeah, well, and you're right.
I mean, you drink a half jar of mason.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You got to do it.

Speaker 1 That's the crazy thing about alcohol is we it gets output thing

Speaker 1 we are having nicotine right now this is a drug and when i have these it's a nice cigar by the way it's perfect it's very good very mild and uh man when i i i was 39 years old before i did any tobacco really never dipped my dad kept

Speaker 1 levi garrett taylor's pride

Speaker 1 you know the only time he wasn't chewing meant he had a life insurance policy he had to he had to he had to get blood work and didn't want to fail his life insurance policy. But I was 39.

Speaker 1 My mom, you know,

Speaker 1 my mom's a character. She, you know, but

Speaker 1 never did tobacco, never dip. I put one dip in one time and threw up

Speaker 1 outside my high school. This old boy threw me a dip in and dude, big old Kodiak and I threw up outside the high school gymnasium and missed my fifth and sixth period.

Speaker 1 And I was like, dude, I don't need that. You remember those bricks, little squares of chewing tobacco you bite a chunk of it?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah all the old and well what i was getting at is i was sitting uh we were celebrating an album release i was 39 years old one of my best buddies

Speaker 1 brought a nice david off church hill cigar and any cigar i'd ever done now i had smoked a cigar like in vegas and most time back then you know i didn't drink a handle of crown and smoke a cigar and you wake up the next morning you're like

Speaker 1 you know your life's over essentially well it's probably the handle of a crown.

Speaker 1 Well, we smoked that cigar, and I sat in my rocking chair and just smoked that cigar. And I was like, man, this is kind of

Speaker 1 nice. This is kind of like therapy right here.
All these people smoking cigars aren't stupid. It's got to be something to it.
And they're chilled out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a nice conversational thing. They are chilled.
They are universally

Speaker 1 chilled out. But it's a drug.
Oh, it's a drug. Yeah, let's do it.
That's a drug. We're drinking coffee.
That's a drug.

Speaker 1 The problem is there's a lot of drugs, and some of them are really fucking bad for you. Here's the deal.

Speaker 1 And I'll call my buddy every now and then. And he was my buddy that bought me the cigar.
He was a lifelong Copenhagen and cigarettes here and quitting. And I called him.

Speaker 1 I'll call him periodically, and I'm like.

Speaker 1 You asshole. I'm stopping at a grocery shop.
I'm stopping at a random cigar shop. I've gone four days without a cigar, and I'm riding down the road, and I determined right now I need one.

Speaker 1 You know, you weave across four lanes of traffic, find a, you know, and then next thing you know, you're smoking a grocery store, I mean, a gas station cigar.

Speaker 1 But hey, it keeps you, keeps you, keeps the head clean. I like them.

Speaker 1 Like I said, I think it's one of the best things. And I don't think you need to smoke 12 of them a day.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so either. But I know people who do.
I know people who just go one to the other. They just chain smoke cigars.
Now, my mother, dude,

Speaker 1 Salem Ultralight 100s, three packs a day. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Four Bud Lights a day her whole life.

Speaker 1 Four Bud Lights. Every day.
Is she still with us? She's with us. Damn, that's the thing that always gets people.
Dude. They're like, maybe I should quit.
Hold on. Well,

Speaker 1 listen, my mom, man, dude.

Speaker 1 She,

Speaker 1 Joe.

Speaker 1 She's curved the beer a little bit, but she'll drink her couple of duels, but she's going to have her one or two Bud Lights. Every day.
Every day.

Speaker 1 Three packs might, she's, but she's like a,

Speaker 1 you know, it's like if she's walking in to the, to the, to Dillard's or to the TJ Maxx, she's like, oh my God, I'm walking in.

Speaker 1 Take a couple of pucks. Take a couple and hit, you know, litter the parking lot.
But she'll, she'll pan-fry a ribeye in butter.

Speaker 1 Pan-fries a ribeye. That's probably what's keeping her alive.
Pan fries a ribeye, fries some shoestring French fries.

Speaker 1 And that's her damn meal four to five nights a week. Four

Speaker 1 76 glorious years. That's probably why she's healthy and is ready to chew my ass out at any moment.

Speaker 1 And how many cigarettes do you think she's down to a day?

Speaker 1 I hope she's probably at a pack and a half.

Speaker 1 But man, when you do the math, when I used to sit her down and do math, you know,

Speaker 1 her and my dad were married 32 years and divorced.

Speaker 1 And so when she went out kind of on her own, I'd sit her down and do the math on four Bud Lights, two and a half packs of Salems, and four pan-fried ribeyes. That becomes a damn number annually.

Speaker 1 I think the ribeyes are fine. Leave her alone with the ribeyes.
You know what? But through the years, I've gotten Miller Light endorsements. I would get Miller Light.

Speaker 1 I'd be like, Mama, there's a Miller Light truck pulling up to your house. It's going to deliver you a pallet of Miller Light.

Speaker 1 Just try.

Speaker 1 Just try to fall in love with Miller Light. Right?

Speaker 1 Nope. Bud Light.
I'd get home for, you know, I'd get home two months after the pallet got there.

Speaker 1 You know, there the pallet sits. Calling my buddies.
Hey, boys. A lot of people had like a personal crisis when there was that Bud Light boycott.

Speaker 1 There was a lot of people like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.
When Kid Rock shot that Bud Light,

Speaker 1 and then he kept selling selling it in his bar.

Speaker 1 We drank some. We drank some on the podcast we did together.
Yeah, and I let it go after a while. He did.
I love him.

Speaker 1 He's been a damn good buddy of mine and has come to my charity event. He's a wild boy.
He's awesome. I love that dude.

Speaker 1 He's a lot of fun. He's awesome.
But when I saw him do that, I was like, ooh.

Speaker 1 Imagine being the CEO of Bud Light and seeing that. You're like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 Kid Rock just shot our beer

Speaker 1 with a fucking automatic. And was like, fuck Anheuser-Busch.
Like, no.

Speaker 1 And, I mean, that alone probably cost them billions of dollars. Just having a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when our beer, when our beer is

Speaker 1 political, we were like. Not just our beer, but Bud Light.

Speaker 1 Bud Light, the beer that sponsored more boxing matches, more sporting events, more people have been drinking Bud Light. I mean, think about all the people who swear by Bud Light.

Speaker 1 Post Malone's always drinking Bud Light. And then, you know, my wife's dad is a Budweiser, fucking 12-pack a day dude, man.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 he had to hear a little shit from his buddies about it.

Speaker 1 People get in fights in bars. I have a friend who owned a bar.
We stopped carrying at the mothership because nobody was buying it. We stopped carrying Bud Light because nobody was buying Bud Light.

Speaker 1 Have we checked on where it...

Speaker 1 It's come back. Fully? No, I don't think so.
I think there's a bunch of holdouts that are always going to go, fuck those liberals. Forever.
But the lady who came up with the idea is gone.

Speaker 1 Like the whole marketing team behind, they're all gone. Anheuser-Busch is an American company that has employed American people forever.
It's a great company. They just fucked up.

Speaker 1 They get caught up in the mind virus. Anheuser-Busch taught us that beer is wonderful for Christmas, and Clydesdales and Dalmatians are the equivalent of

Speaker 1 Jesus and Christmas. Well, you remember those Bud Light guys? The Real American Genius guys?

Speaker 1 Real American Genius. They had great commercials.
Dude, I would cry over the Dalmatian Clydesdale commercial. You remember

Speaker 1 the little puppy? Yeah. He's riding on the Clydesdales.
Find that, Jamie. Oh, shit.
It's like a friggin Hallmark. You would never think that that company could get taken down.

Speaker 1 But that just, I think that was good. It was bad for Bud Light, but I think it was good.
Here it is. Let's see it.
We're going to get all sweet. Here we go.
Hell, don't. Oh, the little puppy.

Speaker 1 Listen to that music.

Speaker 1 Oh, little puppy got out.

Speaker 1 Oh, poor puppy's lost. It's for beer.

Speaker 1 This is for beer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Poor little puppy. Wow, what a commercial.

Speaker 1 We need to find. Oh, God, wolves.
They're in Colorado.

Speaker 1 Just to feel the window.

Speaker 1 The horses save the puppy from the wolves. Have a bud.

Speaker 1 Very effective commercial, you know? Real quick. You're happy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then there's the one where it's a Dalmatian, too, that grew up and then got to the old Dalmatian and the little, you know, they're riding

Speaker 1 and the young Dalmatian sees the old Dalmatian. And I think the old Dalmatian kicks the bucket and then the new Dalmatian takes its place.

Speaker 1 And then you're like, oh my God, it's the best thing ever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that company got taken out

Speaker 1 by having a transgender woman on their can.

Speaker 1 But it just shows you how prevalent this whole mind virus is that it even got into Bud Light, which is just bizarre.

Speaker 1 And then the lady who's responsible for it all basically shit on the entire customer base. You know, saying that they have a fratty sense of humor and we need to update it and make it more inclusive.

Speaker 1 And like, do you know what you're saying you're alienating all the people that buy it and love it and counting on people who don't buy it and love it to start buying it and loving it and maybe that'll work but you just alienated everybody who buys it and love it it's the dumbest poker move of all time

Speaker 1 the worst

Speaker 1 the dumbest move well You know, when you look at country music, too, I mean, with country music, I mean,

Speaker 1 it is what it is. There's things things that it is,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 you got to love on what it is, and then you got to grow it too. I mean, there's sensible ways to grow it.

Speaker 1 But it has to be up to the artist to just express themselves honestly.

Speaker 1 And if the artist is a country artist that has a different perspective, let that be, but leave all the rest of it the way it is, too.

Speaker 1 Buddy, with every successful music artist that's ever lived,

Speaker 1 they may have faked you out

Speaker 1 any genre, but country is even, country's tough

Speaker 1 because once you show any

Speaker 1 unauthenticity,

Speaker 1 buddy, you're done, you're done. I can imagine.
Like, dude, I mean,

Speaker 1 like, dude, my biggest, like, when I,

Speaker 1 man, you know, I got,

Speaker 1 my thing was tight jeans.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't imagine me wearing tight jeans on stage. How much that pisses people?

Speaker 1 Well, it's because you're handsome.

Speaker 1 That's part of the problem. Good-looking guy up there with tight jeans.
Shaking ass, shaking that ass, showing that bulge. Get out of here, dude.
And then I'm like, Bring back Merle Haggard.

Speaker 1 What the fuck is this? So, Joe, you know, one thing, you know,

Speaker 1 my biggest,

Speaker 1 my biggest hurdle ever in my career,

Speaker 1 and it still breaks my heart to this day.

Speaker 1 You know, back when I...

Speaker 1 My only way to...

Speaker 1 Your only way to make it in music is

Speaker 1 you've got to stop people's eyeballs on you. You got to grab them vocally, visually.

Speaker 1 musically different.

Speaker 1 You got to get them to stop for two seconds to go, wait, what is that? What is that fucker doing right there?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 when I came out with Country Girl Shake It For Me on the on the CMA shaking my ass,

Speaker 1 I mean, I had to do it that way.

Speaker 1 In my opinion, I had to go, this is my moment. to show Country Girl Shake It for Me and I'm the guy that dances and

Speaker 1 don't give a damn and let's have some fun and come along for the ride. And it was amazing.
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 You know, the fact that I'm a Georgia boy at the time and I was talking to Texas people, I was talking to everybody.

Speaker 1 Well, then at some point, a label for me became bro country.

Speaker 1 Had you ever even heard that term? I did. I did because of you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well.

Speaker 1 So I heard it and I'm like, well, bro country. Well, then I started seeing the people making fun of broke country and I'm like, well, this is kind of fucking pissing me off.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 me and some other artists start getting looped into this bro country phase. Well,

Speaker 1 when I was in my form of coming up as an artist, and I don't even know,

Speaker 1 we don't have to live on this long, but you'll be amazed, dude.

Speaker 1 So I would go play.

Speaker 1 I made my way by going to Georgia and playing Georgia college towns

Speaker 1 in the southeast. And even I played Auburn a little bit, Auburn, Alabama.
And that school,

Speaker 1 I always wanted to break into Auburn and Tuscaloosa because I was always a Georgia artist. Well, I started branching out.
Well, dude, I'd get done with a college party.

Speaker 1 I'd walk off stage. The first thing that would happen is,

Speaker 1 you know, 369, damn, she's fine. Give it to me.
me give it to me one more time get low get low i mean and right when my set got done hip-hop

Speaker 1 the war the the the the vibe went to a nightclub and i'm standing i'm at the i done walked off the stage went to the bar ordered the beer and watched everybody that just let me play merle haggard Johnny Cash, all the classics, my couple of new songs.

Speaker 1 And I was like, well, man, this is, nobody's got a fucking problem with this. This is, this is, we're all together in this good time.
So when I did Country Girl Shake It for Me, that made that tie.

Speaker 1 Crossover. It bind them.
It made it tie to a little bit. Yeah.
And then Jason Aldean had his

Speaker 1 She's Country.

Speaker 1 Fucking biggest song when I heard, I mean, at the time when Jason and I are buddies, he does She's Country. I do Country Girl Shake for me, and me and him are like,

Speaker 1 We're like, this shit, our lives are,

Speaker 1 I mean, I toured with Jason one year, and he broke all of Elvis' indoor records. We did it for two years.
I was the opener, and Jason was the headliner, and people and

Speaker 1 rap was, we were playing rap before the show,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 everybody was in, well, then Bro Country comes along.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 1 I wake up on the bus one morning and I got this interview.

Speaker 1 Sitting there drinking my coffee in my fucking underwear. And this dude calls me with HITS magazine.
And he goes, well, Luke, you know, man, this Bro Country thing.

Speaker 1 And I said, well,

Speaker 1 hold up, buddy.

Speaker 1 Here's what this is.

Speaker 1 And I said,

Speaker 1 and man, I did this and I made one fatal error. And at the time, Joe,

Speaker 1 no one hated my ass. I believe that.
I mean,

Speaker 1 because I was coming to Billy Bob's,

Speaker 1 playing,

Speaker 1 well, I had Texas. I had the, I had the, I had,

Speaker 1 I'd go to Bozeman, Montana, and play Country Girl Shake It for Me.

Speaker 1 I'd go to everywhere. Well, and I said, man,

Speaker 1 I don't know how to be an outlaw. I'm not an outlaw.

Speaker 1 That ain't,

Speaker 1 I'm a college dude that played frat parties for country music. I play, I was like, I fucking did not go sit in a prison cell like Merle Haggard and write songs about guys going to death row.

Speaker 1 And I didn't go to Folsom Prison. And man,

Speaker 1 I listed all the, I was like, I'm not like Willie Nelson. I don't do Willie Nelson.
They're outlaws.

Speaker 1 And I said, if it's broke country and that's what I'm labeled as, I said, and where I fucked up is I said,

Speaker 1 I haven't spent the night like sleeping on the street

Speaker 1 and I didn't say like Johnny Cash's song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's what I meant.
I just didn't tie it. Well, that dude took that article and said, Luke Bryan says outlaw country people

Speaker 1 are

Speaker 1 basically

Speaker 1 drug addicts that sleep in the street. And man, I pissed that whole, that, the way they manipulated that story, I lost that whole crowd right then.
Wow. Broke my heart.
And

Speaker 1 I think Wayland Jennings' daughter went real public with being, I mean, she was fucking mad at my ass.

Speaker 1 And dude, she went on there going, you know, Luke, my dad never laid. And I never meant that.
I just meant,

Speaker 1 yeah, Whalen was in there too. But we all know what all those guys are because we got to watch all the documentaries about those guys and we got to be students of those guys.

Speaker 1 That's the problem with interviews is first of all, they're trying to get you. Well, your interviews are the beauty.
And

Speaker 1 no one's gotten popped more than you because they'll take our...

Speaker 1 Man, I hope we sit here and bullshit for three hours, but they'll take your five minutes. Right.
Out of context. And now they'll AI you.
That's happened a lot.

Speaker 1 So, well, so what happened, man, that thing started growing. And, man, I had motorcycle gangs wanting to burn my house down.
I had

Speaker 1 when you get misrepresented in

Speaker 1 that type of deal, and then the subcategories of articles, then the article of the article of the article. What year was this? Man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It was probably 2012 or 13. So this was when social media

Speaker 1 was not as as impactful. It was becoming...

Speaker 1 Was YouTube even around then? Yes, and clickbait, the world of clickbait was

Speaker 1 getting rocking. Right.
And but what, so what I did is, man, I called Wayland Jennings' daughter and said,

Speaker 1 I said, ma'am, I just forgot to say

Speaker 1 like the Chris Christofferson song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's all I meant by that.
And I think she accepted.

Speaker 1 I text Willie. He sent me the best reply.
He goes,

Speaker 1 he goes, it's okay to step on your dick. Just don't stand on it.

Speaker 1 I called Jesse.

Speaker 1 I called Jesse Coulter, and she goes, Luke, what did you mean in the interview? And I told her. And she goes, Whalen stopped doing print interview.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it was, and then, but by then,

Speaker 1 the narrative started. And since then,

Speaker 1 I can always tell that

Speaker 1 if that one little thing, I probably would have kept that whole bass.

Speaker 1 And then the, oh my God, he wears tight jeans and he must, you know, he must homosexual on the side, you know,

Speaker 1 as I'm as I'm posing with my,

Speaker 1 you know, my all-American family.

Speaker 1 I think it's probably a thing also they think Hollywood has invaded country music, which is always a big threat because there's so much money in country music that they think these Hollywood executives that don't understand or appreciate real country are going to come in and make something inauthentic.

Speaker 1 So then they hear you saying that, get misrepresented, and then they take it as a part of all of that, right? Joe Latt. So my album came out.

Speaker 1 I worked on an album for three years. It's called Mind of a Country Boy, and I put it out like the first of October.

Speaker 1 And I didn't want to put the damn album out

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 the reality is, is I'm not at the height.

Speaker 1 Every artist hits their peak. You know it.
I mean, I sold out. I was selling out football stadiums first day.
Three or four years I did it. I know that's my peak, probably.
I know it is.

Speaker 1 Fuck, I'm not going to even say probably. I'm a realist.
Well, so we put the album out and I said, you know what? The albums, no albums sell.

Speaker 1 Nothing sells anymore. So I knew there was going to be a negative take on the album.
I I knew something negative would come by me putting the album out based on it may not sell.

Speaker 1 And it sold what it would. It didn't do.
It did what I thought it'd do. As me being the artist where I'm at in my life.
Especially in this world of streaming. Right.
Nothing's buying anymore.

Speaker 1 Nothing's buying. Well, dude, I did 20, 40, I did 40 hours of,

Speaker 1 40 hours of,

Speaker 1 you know, all the stuff.

Speaker 1 What's happened is because of online advertising being the primary source of income for news, they have to do clickbait shit. They have to distort things.

Speaker 1 And then they have editors that don't give a shit about anything other than the bottom line. So you get a writer, even if the writer is a good person.

Speaker 1 I've had writers that I know have written about people that I know, and they told me that their editor came in and changed things.

Speaker 1 They told me their editor came in. Because the editor's ass is about to get canned.
Yeah, exactly. Because his company just got bought by Bitcoin Conglomerate.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 That's why artists should just stay away from that shit. Well, and I, you do, and I knew it.
What sucks

Speaker 1 is, dude, you know, you know it. You know when you're getting baited.
Yeah. You can see it coming a mile away.
You have to film everything you do, every conversation you have with someone.

Speaker 1 You should film them all so that no one could take you out of context. And then if anything goes wrong, so that guy's full of shit, this is what I said.
I did.

Speaker 1 And maybe even make a video. I did.
And those people should be shamed.

Speaker 1 It's a terrible, evil, ugly thing you do. You crush people's perspective.
You change how the world looks at people just for clickbait. And it could genuinely affect someone's life and go ahead.

Speaker 1 Dude, man, listen,

Speaker 1 you know the deal. I mean, I grew up in South Georgia.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, we've raised our dang kids

Speaker 1 like colorblind. It's so awesome.
I'm so proud of their colorblindness.

Speaker 1 Isn't it funny that that is a negative thing to say today? That people don't like that idea. Did I just say something negative? Yeah, there's a lot of people that don't think you should be colorblind.

Speaker 1 They think

Speaker 1 that that's a lie. So you shouldn't think that way.
That was what we were all working towards until about 2012. Have you ever seen the numbers?

Speaker 1 I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because this is what people need to understand. A lot of what we're all experiencing is manipulation.
And a lot of this manipulation

Speaker 1 might not even be from our own country. A lot of this manipulation is what happens when you have foreign entities that are manipulating people.
Oh, yeah, that's it. Thank you.
Look at that.

Speaker 1 Jamie, you're the best. Yearly mentions of prejudice in popular U.S.
news media outlets. Now, look at what happens.
Look at this crazy spike. So you have everything from 1970 until you have like 1990.

Speaker 1 See, what's going on in 1990 between 80 and 90, you have cable. Okay.
So now you have people that need more eyes on their shit.

Speaker 1 So you have Fox News, you have a lot of this, you have people that get a little bit more jazzed up. Look at transphobia.
You never even heard what the fuck that was until 2010.

Speaker 1 Look how it just jumps up in 2020. In 1990, it didn't exist.
1980, didn't exist.

Speaker 1 Islamophobia, same deal. Anti-Semitism.
Scroll all the way up to the top, though, Jamie.

Speaker 1 So look at racism.

Speaker 1 Racism is essentially fairly steady until around 2012, and then it goes on this wild

Speaker 1 ramp straight up. The New York Times from 2010 to 2020, it goes up 712%.

Speaker 1 Los Angeles Times, 756%.

Speaker 1 It just skyrockets all the mention of racism. Why? Because no one wants racism.
No one wants to be racist. Everyone's scared of being called racist.

Speaker 1 And all the race hustlers love to call people racist. So it becomes a commodity.

Speaker 1 So people start trading in racism and this idea that you shouldn't be colorblind and then you should recognize race, you should recognize color. And it's like, stop,

Speaker 1 we were on a good path to what Martin Luther King said, judging people based on the content of their character. We were on that path.
And social media and manipulation fucked us.

Speaker 1 And hopefully we realize what happened now. And I think there'll be a downward trend and people sort of like wake up.

Speaker 1 And I think that is, that's one thing that is balancing out right now with the internet is enough people are realizing they've been manipulated. So it's starting to like calm down.

Speaker 1 A lot of this woke shit started to die off. And it's people are coming to their senses.
Like, like everybody just woke up from a fever dream.

Speaker 1 But as far as your situation and dealing with the media, don't. Oh, I know.
Just don't.

Speaker 1 Oh, and you're so dang, you know the deal. You're naive.
You're a little bit naive because you're a nice guy. But it's because you're a good person.
That's why you're naive.

Speaker 1 You assume you're a good person. Well, you know, man, what's amazing is when I'm at On American Idol, that desk,

Speaker 1 and I've been doing it for nine damn years, and I have cried with everybody.

Speaker 1 When those kids come in, they are, everybody walking through that door is a microcosm of America. And man, I've sat there and loved and loved and learned.

Speaker 1 Do you enjoy doing that? Like seeing new talent pop up? Nothing is more amazing than watching a broken kid with with with that's been told

Speaker 1 they're not good and they come from everywhere they it could be the man the the craziest thing is the is the is the kids that were raised in the homes of doctors

Speaker 1 that the doctor family can't wrap their head around my child wanting to go try this fucking music thing. What?

Speaker 1 We're doctors. We're doctors.
And man, when they branch out and the family gets behind them and then they go and follow their dreams and man, it's really,

Speaker 1 it doesn't get old. I mean, listen, I mean, it's a fun chair to be in.
It's a fun chair to be in because that door opens and it's a, it's a life that comes in and you don't know what the hell.

Speaker 1 You know, we have a note or two like, you know, just lost their father to cancer three months ago, you know, from a small town.

Speaker 1 But other than that, man, we don't know what they're going to do and how they're going to react. And it's pretty cool.
I mean, you know, when, and, and, and when I just moved to Nashville when

Speaker 1 American Idol was

Speaker 1 just,

Speaker 1 I mean, 40 million viewers a week. And the, the, you know, the, the, the tone in Nashville is that's the cheap route to get famous.

Speaker 1 Because I, I, I came up through, you got to play a thousand nightclubs.

Speaker 1 You got to go, you got to go through, you got to meet the record labels, you got to do the radio, you got to go meet everybody at radio.

Speaker 1 So the whole town of Nashville was like, well, it's not totally fair that they just pop on TV and

Speaker 1 skip all the, but now, I mean, now

Speaker 1 all that's gone, which is great. Well, here's an example.
Oliver Anthony. Totally.
Oliver Anthony has one song he releases. It's the most,

Speaker 1 pull up that song. Because this fucking song, this dude, when I release it, it's just a camera and him with his guitar.
When I heard it, I was like, holy shit, that's fucking amazing.

Speaker 1 And holy shit, that guy better have some songs to come behind it. Yeah, well, he's a talented motherfucker.
He is.

Speaker 1 He's a very, very bright man. And it's what life should be.

Speaker 1 Over time, hours. Listen to that.

Speaker 1 Damn shame. What the world's got to do? Listen to that.

Speaker 1 This dude was selling equipment.

Speaker 1 He never even done a concert. First concert he does is like 18,000 people at a state fair.

Speaker 1 And he's as genuine as you can. You've had him on here, correct? I had him on here and I actually gave him advice.
How did he do?

Speaker 1 He did great because I gave him advice before before I met him because he was in the middle of all this. And he goes, Hey, man, he goes, Can I talk to you? So we talked on the phone.

Speaker 1 I'm like, What's up? He's like, Man, I'm getting all these offers from all these people. They want to buy this and buy that.
They want to give me $7 million if I do this and sign that.

Speaker 1 I said, Stay independent.

Speaker 1 I go, You have talent. Everyone's saying, I have to act now.
I go, Fuck those people. I go, You don't have to act now.
That's famine thinking. I go, You're talented, man.

Speaker 1 Because I had heard a couple of his other songs as well. He's fucking talented and he's genuine.
And I go, You can't fake that. Just

Speaker 1 stay independent, man, because they're not going to offer you anything.

Speaker 1 Those people are just going to, the reason why they want to give you a lot of money is because they're going to make way more than they're going to give you.

Speaker 1 That's the only reason why they want to give you money. They want a piece of you before you become one of the biggest stars in the world.

Speaker 1 And then they own a chunk of you forever because they gave you $7 million and you didn't have any money. I go, just bank on yourself, man.
Yeah, and

Speaker 1 the beauty of idle is,

Speaker 1 and guys like this, there's there's so many avenues now you can go the old-fashioned route you can go the quick route you can go the idle route you can go stream on you know you can go video yourself on all your social platforms and the right song can blow you up but then and then you got to go do the real work you got to do the real work that's what we tell kids other other bullets in your chamber that's what we tell the kids on idle now i think when idle was really really obviously when kelly clarkson and and carrie underwood won and and even people after that

Speaker 1 they went their ass to work too.

Speaker 1 It's an insane opportunity. It's insane.
Yeah, and you know, these kids on Idol now, they love seeing their social media platforms go up a thousand percent, and it's worth it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, we, you know, and there's going to be bumps in the road, and it's, you know, it's still,

Speaker 1 you know, it's still,

Speaker 1 you know, there's going to be a

Speaker 1 you know, a group of people saying, you know, American Idol may exploit these kids.

Speaker 1 Man, I'm in the back. I'm behind the scenes on everything.
And man, we want,

Speaker 1 you know, they won't,

Speaker 1 when we get a kid that we love, man, we sit around, we go to dinner, and we talk about that kid and love him. And I think, you know, these kids

Speaker 1 leave it going, man, that was a great experience for them. I hope so.
But, you know. I'm sure they do.
And it is an insane opportunity.

Speaker 1 If you want to be a professional musician and and you want to make a career out of it, it's one of the most unbelievable moments. You got to do your path.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 My path was my path and it was unique to mine. And because yours is different, that don't mean I need to hate you for it.
There's a lot of that shit with comedians today, too. Oh.

Speaker 1 Because a comedian will have one clip where he's doing some crowd work or one clip of one bit that everybody loves, then all of a sudden he's selling out and everybody's like, that guy.

Speaker 1 He only had one good job. Yeah, he's only been around for three years.
But so what?

Speaker 1 Let him him run with it. Let him run with it.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 we're living in a new world. It's like the song.
Every new world.

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't we all want someone else to win? Right.

Speaker 1 What is wrong?

Speaker 1 What's wrong with people winning? It's like you have figured out how to feed yourself with a guitar. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You have figured out how to tell jokes

Speaker 1 and make a living.

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 and you know all like man like i said dude i won't even post my damn deer i killed because i don't want to i don't want to get online and be there with a glass of wine at 3 a.m and start mothercoming people

Speaker 1 like dude i i want to i want to kill them

Speaker 1 and i i Yeah,

Speaker 1 like I said, you get over it, you get over it, but man, it pisses you you off. I don't read anything.

Speaker 1 I tell everybody, don't read anything. Don't read anything about you.
Just don't. Don't read the good stuff.
Don't read the bad stuff. You're too good with it.

Speaker 1 I mean, hell, I mean, I'm sitting there with a 48-year-old man.

Speaker 1 My shit's in the bank, but it still makes you mad. It still makes you mad.
It doesn't matter, even if you're undeniable. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 It's a human instinct to read negative things and get upset. Because humans always had to worry about threats.

Speaker 1 And if the threats were other tribes or predators or whatever, you had to attack that threat.

Speaker 1 So we're always

Speaker 1 mentally conditioned to look for it. What is a fight or fly it or something?

Speaker 1 Well, it's also like if you have a hundred people who love you, but one that hates you, that one is the one you're going to think about.

Speaker 1 You're not going to think all the people that they say you're awesome. You're going to think about that one that hates you.
And then you have to think about the kind of people that post comments.

Speaker 1 Most of the people who post comments are miserable people. Not the positive comments, but the negative comments.
I started a thing, you know, and I know you got people in your world where,

Speaker 1 man, you know, there's assholes and you'll huddle up and you'll spend an hour talking about how you can't believe how big an asshole that person is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, guys, we're 15 minutes in on talking about this person being an asshole. We wasted 15 minutes.
We wasted 15 minutes on

Speaker 1 us trying to figure out why. Can't they stop being an asshole? You basically wasted one 100th of your day.

Speaker 1 On somebody. On somebody that sucks.
You only get 100 of those 15 minutes in a day, and you wasted one talking about a shithead. It's a mess, but it's a normal thing that people do.

Speaker 1 You just got to not do it. You got to realize that this is a good thing.
I got conscious where

Speaker 1 I see other buddies doing it. I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Get out of there. Yeah.
Man. I recognized it when I was on television before social media.
There was a thing called,

Speaker 1 there was these Hollywood magazines like Variety and the Hollywood Reporter.

Speaker 1 And I would always call them the Devil's Rag because I would get to the set of the TV show and everybody was reading the Devil's Rag. They were all like, oh, I can't believe they're number two.

Speaker 1 We should be number one. We should be right after friends.
Oh, and everybody was upset. And I was like, you guys are...

Speaker 1 I'm on TV. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you people.
I'm on television. I can't believe I'm on TV.

Speaker 1 You guys are upset that we're number 30 instead of number two or whatever the fuck it is. Can't we just appreciate the fact that this is back when there was only like five networks?

Speaker 1 Can't we appreciate the fact that we're one of the luckiest human beings that have ever lived? We're on a fucking television show, and yet you're reading these magazines.

Speaker 1 And it's like, is it Thomas Jefferson who wrote that quote? Comparison is a thief of joy. But whoever was that, was it Jefferson? I know we know who it is.

Speaker 1 We've read it before, but that quote is so accurate. Comparison.

Speaker 1 That's why billionaires, I know a dude who's worth like a billion and a half dollars, and he thinks he's broke because he's friends with like Jeff Bezos.

Speaker 1 I do not get into that. You cannot get into that world.

Speaker 1 You can't win. You can't win because you're in a crazy fucking numbers race and it doesn't mean anything.
You're not even enjoying what you have.

Speaker 1 So my wife, for her 40th birthday, man, I surprised her and I rented her.

Speaker 1 Never done anything. We rented like a 120-foot boat and took all her college friends down to St.
Bart's for New Year's. Have you ever heard of this scene? No.
Dude.

Speaker 1 Is it crazy?

Speaker 1 Joe.

Speaker 1 So first of all, I mean,

Speaker 1 this boat that we got is a 120-foot Westport.

Speaker 1 Beautiful. We get to St.
Bart. I didn't know what the fuck we were doing.
Oh, you're in the yacht world. Okay.
So you're entering into these worlds of 200-foot boats, 250-foot. The oligarchs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. Yeah, I've seen that before.
And it's in St. Bart's, and

Speaker 1 they all float there for

Speaker 1 New Year's.

Speaker 1 And it's all dick measuring contests. Dude.

Speaker 1 And my captain of that little boat, which that boat looked like

Speaker 1 our boat that we were on looked like their shuttle boats. Right.

Speaker 1 And my captain, I said, did you ever pilot one of those? He goes, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He goes, I said,

Speaker 1 what were they doing on there? He goes, looking at the other boats, wondering.

Speaker 1 I said, that dude is on a fucking billion-dollar yacht and pissed at the other billion-dollar yacht. Yeah, that's real.
They're all in competition with each other and they're all hating.

Speaker 1 You know, and I'm entering in. Yeah, you just got to get your little world.
Like my little world now. Keep it tight.
My little Tennessee hunting world. I tell people all the time.

Speaker 1 They're like, come on down to my ranch. I'm like, man, I got my little deal.
Yeah, it's enough. Stay sane.

Speaker 1 Keep it tight. What are they doing doing on that boat, Captain? Isn't that nuts? Imagine being on a 250-foot yacht, looking at the dude on the 300-foot yacht, going, God damn it.
I got to upgrade.

Speaker 1 I was talking to a dude who pilots yachts, and he was telling me that they always want to sell them. They always want to sell them and get another one.

Speaker 1 He goes, all these yachts are always almost for sale. I go, how come? He goes, because they're always wanting another yacht.
They always want a bigger yacht.

Speaker 1 It's a trap. It's a giant trap.
Imagine having all that money. You're not even appreciating it because you're worried about making more.

Speaker 1 Remember, we were kids, if you said, like, what would you do if you had a million dollars? Man, I'd never work again. I'd fucking just.
Well, you know, I remember dreaming.

Speaker 1 Did you lay in bed and just be like,

Speaker 1 I remember dreaming about trying to do it and how I was going to go. How are you going to get rich? How am I going to get?

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say rich. How am I going to be able to have my own little, my own bass pond? Right.

Speaker 1 Because I would have to call other people and get permission right and that dude the anxiety of calling old farmer right going hey you know farmer johnson can i go fish your bass lake i don't know luke not today i'd be like what the fuck

Speaker 1 And so I remember doing that. And then when you start achieving it, man,

Speaker 1 I still, I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't think it's, I don't think I'm living in that world of like the other

Speaker 1 digging. You know, I think you can for a minute.
Yeah. I think it can, I think you can for a little bit.
But it's a trap. It is a trap.
And the problem is it's all numbers.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know how dudes are crazy with deer? Like, I want a 200-inch deer. Say I can do it.
200-inch mule. You can do that.
I want a 400-inch elk. They get crazy with numbers.

Speaker 1 You know, I talked to this dude who worked on a ranch, and they have big elk on this ranch.

Speaker 1 And he said, sometimes the countries are really happy with an elk, and then they'll put a tape to it, measure it, and it's 396, and they get bummed out. because it's not 400.

Speaker 1 I'm like, those people are sick. You should never have them here again.
You You should

Speaker 1 ban them. They should never be allowed to be here again.
That's a sickness. But that's what happens with these people with everything, man.
I never had a dream of being wealthy. It was never a dream.

Speaker 1 It was never even an, never even in my imagination did I ever think I was going to be rich. I never even thought about it.

Speaker 1 When I started doing stand-up comedy, my dream was to be a professional because I always had jobs. My dream was to be able to pay my bills with comedy.
I looked at all these things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was... Now, my dream, yeah, let me make sure I didn't steer you wrong on that.
My dream was to do these things out of being driven.

Speaker 1 Like, write a number. I mean, when I moved to Nashville, I wrote on a chalkboard, write a number one song, you know,

Speaker 1 win a CMA award. You know,

Speaker 1 like a vision board. I had a little vision board.
Nice.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I didn't understand. I didn't really comprehend the money after that because I didn't know it.
And I didn't know, like,

Speaker 1 like people are like, I'm a big Georgia Bulldog fan. And they're like, did you go to Georgia? And I'm like, buddy, me going to the University of Georgia when I was 18 years old,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I barely, my dad barely got the money for me to go to the community college 12 minutes down the road. So going to Georgia didn't.

Speaker 1 I didn't even put it in there. Right.
So, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 But I was just saying that when i see people that that's all they care about is the money and then they're always thinking about the richness and the money i just think it's a trap and it the problem is if you're always comparing yourself to other people you're not going to enjoy what you have you're not going to enjoy this experience temporary experience of life right you know because it is temporary it's so quick i'm 57 years old how the fuck did that happen all of a sudden you just keep getting older and then you know one day you're dead and i bet on your deathbed you're like, how did it happen so quick?

Speaker 1 How did it happen so quick? What are you doing with your time? And are you enjoying it? And I think you need things outside of what you do that you love.

Speaker 1 And like for you and I, I think it's hunting and outdoors. Because I think it balances you.
I think there's something very spiritual about it. I think there's something just being in the woods.

Speaker 1 It's a very spiritual experience, like a real spiritual experience. Like there, I think it's like a vitamin that you don't know you need until you get it.
And when you get it, you feel better.

Speaker 1 When I'm out there, I feel better. I just feel better.
I'm like, the air is cleaner. I feel more in touch with being alive.
It just feels better. And I think I'm not thinking about anything else.

Speaker 1 If I'm elk hunting, I'm not thinking about jokes. I'm not thinking about podcast guests.
I'm not thinking about jack shit. I'm just thinking about what I'm doing.
That's it.

Speaker 1 It's very difficult to do. And

Speaker 1 you have to really focus and you're thinking about it. You're always trying to improve.
And that alone is good for your brain. It's good for your brain.

Speaker 1 I lost my brother and my sister and my sister's husband passed away. And man,

Speaker 1 when,

Speaker 1 and then, yeah, I lost my brother at 26, my sister at 39, and her husband died at 45.

Speaker 1 And man, it is present.

Speaker 1 The daily appreciation of this deal

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 visually present. Isn't that crazy about people, though? It's like they almost need to lose something to be able to appreciate what you have.
Well, and I tell people,

Speaker 1 man, you know, you meet,

Speaker 1 I tell people, man, really be careful because if you make it to 80,

Speaker 1 you're going to get popped with something. I don't think you can get through this thing.

Speaker 1 Like some kind of a disease or something? No, no, I don't. Well, I'm saying you're going to lose something.
You're going to lose something dear.

Speaker 1 You're not not going to get through A to Z without really a hard,

Speaker 1 a hard loss. No, that's just a part of life.

Speaker 1 But some people, man, they're just delusional.

Speaker 1 They're delusional, and then a lot of people are medicated, too. So they don't even know what the fuck is going on while they're living this life.

Speaker 1 They're living this life under the influence of the pharmaceutical drug companies. And they're just floating through life in a haze.
And they don't even know what's happening while it's happening.

Speaker 1 And then they get to the end. And then, what'd you do? What'd you do? Did you help people? Did you make people feel better? Did you inspire people? Did you enrich people's lives?

Speaker 1 What'd you do? You know, and then you have to realize, like, goddamn, I wasted a lot of time reading comments.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you for doing it. You wasted a lot of time getting mad at that.

Speaker 1 I don't do it bad, though. That's what's funny.
I don't do it bad. Everybody says that.

Speaker 1 Everybody says they don't look at their phone. You know, let me see your screen time.
Like six hours.

Speaker 1 Jesus, bitch. What the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 1 Oh, Lord. Yeah, man.
I mean.

Speaker 1 Well, we're all, this is a new world, too, in terms of that. I keep saying this is a new world, but this really is a new element to our lives, is this social media element.

Speaker 1 And I think there's not a lot of

Speaker 1 stuff that's written on it where people understand. Yeah, we're learning.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We're learning.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're the lab rats. We really are.
Especially our kids. Our kids really are the lab rats.

Speaker 1 The kids really are. And not just that, also access to violence.
They see so much violence. They see so much online that's horrible.
Think about...

Speaker 1 I think about this all the time.

Speaker 1 I would go stay with a buddy at his house and he'd go,

Speaker 1 man, I rented Faces of Death. Remember those?

Speaker 1 I wouldn't watch them.

Speaker 1 I'd be like, man, my parents told me not to watch that.

Speaker 1 And he'd go, what? You don't watch this guy get electrocuted? And I'm like,

Speaker 1 fuck no, I don't want to watch a dude get electrocuted. Dude,

Speaker 1 we're watching people.

Speaker 1 We're watching people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you're on Instagram, you're seeing people dying.

Speaker 1 Every

Speaker 1 day.

Speaker 1 Every day, I have friends that are going to be a bad person. I mean, legs breaking.
Oh, yeah, everybody. I mean, I remember Joe Theisman.

Speaker 1 When Joe Theisman broke his leg,

Speaker 1 dude, it like shut the country down. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know. Now that's

Speaker 1 like... That's nothing.

Speaker 1 I watched a dude on a diving board, and his foot fell in a crack in the diving board had an opening in it, and he went forward, and his knee stayed in the same place, and it just snapped his leg the wrong way, and he's screaming, hanging from a broken leg.

Speaker 1 That's just one thing I saw today.

Speaker 1 I thought you don't do that.

Speaker 1 I watch things on Instagram. I just don't read comments.
But me and Tom Seguro, we send each other the most horrible shit every day.

Speaker 1 It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 But some days he sends me things. I don't even look at them.
I'm like, no. Oh, I can see it coming.
But

Speaker 1 I do love the funny comical aspect of it that gets

Speaker 1 me in a cup of coffee, dying, laughing at some person being a goofball. Or memes.
Oh. Some memes.
Memes.

Speaker 1 They got us. Yeah, memes is some of the best comedy out there.
And it's just random people create these funny things. There's a lot of funny people out there.

Speaker 1 What's amazing is we've gotten to where we can see the meme happen and predict the meme and the memes on your phone

Speaker 1 the next day. And you're like, within hours.
Oh, yeah. They're so quick.
And memes are weird because a lot of times you don't even know who made it. You're sharing it.
Somebody sends it to you.

Speaker 1 You send it to other people. Like,

Speaker 1 who made that? Who's the wizard that figured this out? This is fucking hilarious. It's like a meme factory.

Speaker 1 Well, it's like jokes. You remember jokes like, you know, two guys walking to a bar? Those jokes.
Who fucking wrote those? We don't know, but some of them were bangers. And they spread.

Speaker 1 They just spread. Spread across the whole country.
But somebody had to be the guy that sat down and tells the story. Two guys walking to a bar.
And then, you know,

Speaker 1 it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 there's a million places we can go, but

Speaker 1 it's, you know, you look at.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the damn children, my kids, I mean, we're yelling at them every day. Get up, get off the phone, get outside, and they do a good job.
But, man, I think it's just

Speaker 1 a part of their deal. They're being influenced by things far beyond our control and way different than anything that any other generation has ever experienced before.
Like, my son,

Speaker 1 he's a 16-year-old quarterback.

Speaker 1 And, man, he watches all these other quarterbacks

Speaker 1 on. On, you know, hell, there are 14 recruiting

Speaker 1 download sites sites from that, and my son's like, that dude right there is the greatest quarterback in the country. I said, well, how old is he, Bo?

Speaker 1 He's 15, dad. I'm like, Bo,

Speaker 1 we don't know what that little shit's going to be.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? He goes, well, Dad, he's a five-star and he's 15. I'm like,

Speaker 1 Bo, your dad, when I moved to Nashville, I was a one-star country singer. If I'd had a rating next to me and probability of me making it, yeah,

Speaker 1 it would have been a one-star. I worked myself into hopefully a three-star,

Speaker 1 three-star recruit. And he's looking at me like I'm crazy.

Speaker 1 And so one of those kids,

Speaker 1 he played him. Now, my son's not starting.
He's backup quarterback to a great quarterback. And we played him and we beat him.

Speaker 1 We get down. He gets home after the game.
I said, what'd you think about your little savior there?

Speaker 1 He goes,

Speaker 1 he's still the greatest quarterback of all time. I said, Bo, he lost the fucking game.

Speaker 1 He's 15.

Speaker 1 Just, son,

Speaker 1 let's let life happen before we anoint. Yeah.
Just be inspired. Be inspired by other success.
But don't take it too seriously.

Speaker 1 And also recognize that kid might start getting laid and throw it all away. Exactly.

Speaker 1 He don't know what's going to. Yeah, you're 15.
You don't know what the fuck's coming your way. You don't know one.
Yeah. Yeah, you run into some Russian chick in your English class.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's some new Russian exchange student that

Speaker 1 needs an English tutor. Yeah, that all of a sudden you don't have any sperm left in your body.
You're dehydrated all day long. Yeah, you're getting electrolytes on the sideline.

Speaker 1 You're not doing any off-season running or lifting. You're busy.

Speaker 1 Also, people just lose the focus, you know, and sometimes they get pushed too hard by their parents. There's a little bit of that, too.
The kids rebel, they don't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 1 Anything can happen. But that's what's fascinating about life is that it's all open.
Your daughters are

Speaker 1 how old now? 28, 16, and 14. Yeah, the 16 and 14, man.
The 16 and 14 are going through a totally different experience. The girls are TikTok, all girls.
The TikTok. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 girls are way. I mean, I just

Speaker 1 think my heart aches for girls in this

Speaker 1 in this. Well, there's some alarming statistics about the growth of social media from like 2009, where you see girls with self-harm, all sorts of psychological conditions, online bullying.

Speaker 1 Because girls are fucking vicious to each other online. Boys will run into each other and punch each other in the face.

Speaker 1 But girls will attack each other's character.

Speaker 1 They're reputation destroyers.

Speaker 1 And they love to make up stories about girls and be mean about girls and talk shit about the way girls look and the way girls dress and the guys girls are dating and they do it to each other.

Speaker 1 And it's just...

Speaker 1 It's unfortunate, but that's what gossip used to be. Gossip used to just be talking, though.
It's like a normal thing where girls get around and talk. But now they talk online.

Speaker 1 And when they talk online, then other people read it.

Speaker 1 And you're ruining people's lives. And you're ruining little girls' lives.
And suicide is off the charts. And self-harm is off the charts.
And mostly young girls are getting affected.

Speaker 1 When I have my 14-year-old go, dad, I'm anxious about this. I'm like,

Speaker 1 I didn't know the word anxious. Right.

Speaker 1 I didn't know the word anxious

Speaker 1 until I was 35 years old. Right? Right, right.
It wasn't thought when we were kids and all the things. It wasn't processed as anxiety.
It was processed as like... Life.
Yeah, I'm getting nervous.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, yeah.
I got a big test. My stomach hurts.
I got to go take a shit. Right, right, right.
Yeah. Right.
Now it's the thing they think about all the time.

Speaker 1 And the problem with that is Abigail Schreier wrote a book about this. You focus on your problems.
Your problems oftentimes become bigger. And you think about things like anxiety.
Guess what?

Speaker 1 It makes you more anxious.

Speaker 1 It doesn't help it. It actually has the opposite effect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a weird world, but they're going to be okay. We're all going to be okay.
We're just going to have to adjust and figure it out on the fly.

Speaker 1 It's just this adjustment is bigger than any adjustment that any generation's ever had to make before. But it's also like, look at things like Oliver Anthony.
Good comes out of it too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, jelly roll. Jellyroll, Jesus.
Love that dude. Best thing ever.
He's one of my favorite human beings ever. Best thing.

Speaker 1 He's such a fucking sweetheart. Best thing ever.
And that guy sang that song, Save Me, and everybody was like, what is going on?

Speaker 1 This fucking ex-con with tattoos on his face with a voice like an angel. Best thing ever.
Incredible. But that's, this is all possible today too.
So you got good and you got bad.

Speaker 1 It's just you got to navigate the waters. You got to know where the rocks are.
Steer that boat, young sailor. You know,

Speaker 1 what amazes me is,

Speaker 1 man, what breaks my heart is when people think they're all alone in their

Speaker 1 thing that's hanging up their life. Right.

Speaker 1 When you meet somebody and it's all scaled,

Speaker 1 way differently. Like when you meet, you know,

Speaker 1 you know, I've had people, you know,

Speaker 1 you know, when you, when you grow up in a country music band and you're on the bus for hours with buddies and everybody go, they got their own life. And then, man, I've you find out.

Speaker 1 I had one band member almost kill himself over something

Speaker 1 that if he'd have just had somebody say, Man, I have that too. Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And he would have not felt alone. Right.

Speaker 1 And people have gotta quit like thinking that they're the only ones

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 have

Speaker 1 gone through this thing. Yeah, well, that's why you need people that you love.
Yeah. That's why you need friends.
See, my household, my household was a man, we sat at the dinner table and dude,

Speaker 1 it came out.

Speaker 1 I thought that's good. And then, but my wife's household was, man, they, you know,

Speaker 1 they bottled it up and it all worked. And we don't know who came out better.

Speaker 1 but but me and my wife you know we we work on like

Speaker 1 you know we work on like

Speaker 1 I mean like my wife never saw her mama like in the shower

Speaker 1 like just shower and you know like walk through the house naked I mean hell we had one bathroom it was like we were a bunch of damn naked idiots running around trying to get to the bathroom and my wife's like yeah my mama did not uh

Speaker 1 shower with the door open and i'm like or and i'm like really

Speaker 1 she's like i'm like you're kidding me never once i'm like just that's kind of crazy everybody's well when you have daughters there's a certain amount of time where you can't be naked in front of them anymore once i hit like four or five years old you're like okay that's a rap dude my 16 year old so my beard we're we're living in our guest house right now because we're doing some some work to our main house you know we're Our main house had stuff that just kept happening.

Speaker 1 We were like,

Speaker 1 we're moving out. And when we move back in, have it all fixed.
So we got three, we got a 22-year-old, a 16-year-old living in the same house.

Speaker 1 Well, my wife stored all of my, all of my bathroom stuff, it's in a, it's in a box somewhere on my shaving gear. I'll run into my son's bathroom, my 16-year-old, and I grabbed his beard trimmer.

Speaker 1 I grabbed a, I grabbed this fucking trimmer sitting there, and I shave my beard, and I'm all up under my nose.

Speaker 1 You smell ball hair. No,

Speaker 1 I get in my truck and I'm driving down the road. My son gets home from school crying, laughing.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Dad, you shaved your beard with my ball trimmers.

Speaker 1 And I was like,

Speaker 1 you little shit.

Speaker 1 First of all, I'm like, what in the hell?

Speaker 1 16-year-old manscaping?

Speaker 1 What the fuck's going on?

Speaker 1 It's a new world. I know.
I'm like, dude, I never imagined you had, I don't even think he's, you know, whatever. These damn, it's so fun, man.
These kids, my dad, my, my,

Speaker 1 God, it's so amazing. Dude, we, you know, we were elk hunting, man.
And

Speaker 1 my 14-year-old, we, we got this really cool, when we go elk hunting, we got a wade across a river

Speaker 1 to get to our elk spot.

Speaker 1 And the first couple years, man, we didn't, uh, we just stripped down to our underwear and and hung our boots and all our gear and walked underwear and dude it was kind of like a we're really men you know right and for tatton bow bow the first time i would put him on my shoulders and walk him well then after two years we were like dude let's go by and get like eight pairs of waiters and sit them on the bank and we'll leave the waders and everybody's like, that's a damn good idea.

Speaker 1 I'm like, like, Yeah, I mean, how many years did it take y'all to understand go get some damn waders?

Speaker 1 So, Tate, for the past, the last three years, I've toted him across the river. And

Speaker 1 man, I looked at him the last day of the hunt. And this was Tate's year to try to get an elk.
And he actually, dad, I kind of messed up the elk hunt.

Speaker 1 I moved and spooked the elk, which was great because he realized that just because you're Luke Bryan's son, you don't get the damn elk. But

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 I said, hey,

Speaker 1 I said, I want to tote you across the river. I said, you're growing.
And this will probably be the last year. So I tot him across the river.

Speaker 1 And then on the way back, he goes, hey, dad, I want to wait it by myself. And man,

Speaker 1 you don't realize how much your kids really are watching you. But we're sitting on the bank.
And he's watching me, and I sit my bow down. And he takes his bow and sits it down.
And

Speaker 1 he watches everything everything I do. And it was the cutest thing ever.
I haven't even told my wife. So every year I take my boots and I tie them in a knot and

Speaker 1 I hang them and throw them over my because we're toting gear and I throw my boots over my shoulders so they're not, they don't get wet.

Speaker 1 And the man, I looked at him and he's sitting there tying his little string. He stands up and throws in boots and he just, man, watching your kids just absorb it is just,

Speaker 1 you know, it's pretty damn special. Sounds like you're having a beautiful life, my friend.
Well, it's

Speaker 1 really does. Kids make it.

Speaker 1 It really does. It really does.
Luke, thank you very much, man. This is a lot of fun.
I hope we enjoyed that. I went to more than three hours.
Was it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. Yeah, it's 4.30.
Three hours. There it is.
Mind of a country boy. Listen or download now.

Speaker 1 Look at you, you handsome bastard. Well, fucking tight jeans.
Look at you. Fucking tight jeans.
Everybody hates me.

Speaker 1 They don't hate you, man. Just don't read the ones that do.
Yeah, shit. Appreciate you, brother.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 Love you too. Love you too.
Bye, everybody.