#2212 - Jelly Roll

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Speaker 1 Let's go, guys. Shelly Rogan.
I'm back with my

Speaker 1 man.

Speaker 2 I haven't seen you since Master Square Garden.

Speaker 1 That was crazy. What a great night.
What an experience.

Speaker 2 What an experience, man.

Speaker 1 Dude, it was so. I was thinking about it pulling up here.
Is that I think y'all just got out of Vulcan and the club had just opened. And I came that night to see Ron White.

Speaker 1 And I went back that Monday to see Kill Tony. And I could feel the Kill Tony thing happening over COVID at Vulcan.
So I had to go see it in person.

Speaker 1 And I could remember sitting in there. And you know how like you can feel an energy shift? Yeah.
I felt an energy shift in life in that room that night. I was like.

Speaker 1 This is fixing to explode.

Speaker 1 Like everything associated with this club, everything associated with Tony, everything associated with Joe is fixing to fucking rocket ship. And it felt like almost like, I'm getting goosebumps, Joe.

Speaker 1 I'm not even bullshit. I'm getting goosebumps.
I'm getting goosebumps. It's almost like, I swear, dude, it was like feeling the grunge movement in the 90s.

Speaker 1 Like when you first heard a little something, you were like, this is different. Yeah.
And you were like, this could be something. And then it just turned out to be the explosion.

Speaker 1 It's like, I felt that happening. So to see Tony.

Speaker 1 at fucking Madison Square Garden and then to see how y'all showed up for Tony at Madison Square Garden. Every fucking comedian on earth came to see that dude to fucking

Speaker 2 kiss him on his fucking cheek.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I had to be there. I had to be there.
I was there in the beginning. I was there when there was like 18 comedians in the crowd.

Speaker 1 Is that not crazy?

Speaker 2 It was crazy. They were doing it in the belly room of the comedy store.
It was just like an afterthought. They couldn't do any of the other rooms because they didn't have an audience.

Speaker 2 And they would, and Tony just had this weird idea that he just like looked a little pit bull, just stuck with it. One minute of comedy, and he like honed it over time and figured out.

Speaker 2 And then he became the best host in all of entertainment. There's no one better at hosting a comedy show than him.

Speaker 2 The way he does that show, the speed of his comebacks, the speed of his like, the roast lines.

Speaker 1 I tell Tony all the time, I say, Tony, I love you. And that panel is the coolest thing I've ever seen, but you are the show, brother.

Speaker 1 We would all tune in if you were sitting up there by yourself. Like, you are just so sharp.
I relate to it too, Joe.

Speaker 1 I compare art forms. It's just something I like to do.
I know some people don't.

Speaker 1 But watching Tony, I feel a kinship to Tony and Andrew Schultz in a certain way because I feel like we all kind of met each other right before it happened for all of us.

Speaker 1 Like I remember me and Schultz doing the opener up song at the five, four, you know, he was doing two nights at Zane's two shows, one show, you know, one show a night. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And I was doing a thousand seat club in the south. You know what I mean? And Tony was still kill Tony and you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And we're all fucking old.

Speaker 1 Like the fact that it happened for all of us in our late 30s true is even cooler yeah so it's this double kinship like when I was nominated for new artist of the year at almost 40 that's the first time that it ever happened in CMA history and country music yeah but like this year most of those kids are 27 and under here I was a 40 year old fucking man up you're a beauty beautiful example that there's no rules yes there's no rules it's all bullshit just be yourself just be yourself do your best find find whatever it is inside you that you can express that's it there's no rules there's no rules for age.

Speaker 2 Like, Ron White used to worry about that all the time. I think I'm too old.
I'm like, what are you doing? You're Ron motherfucking white. You're a legend.
Period.

Speaker 2 But it's like that humility that he has, even though he's got great confidence in his ability. Like, Ron is a very humble guy, as successful as he is.

Speaker 2 But that humility that he is is also that constantly has him writing, constantly has him working. He's 40 years in the game.
He never stops. And he's better now than he's ever been before.

Speaker 2 Now that he's sober, like he's a monster, a monster on stage.

Speaker 1 Imagine hitting,

Speaker 1 so to me, Ron White is on Mount Rushmore of comedy. For me personally, I know it's subjective.
Some people are going to, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 But for me, because I judge comedy as a fan of like, I look at skits like, I mean, I look at specials like

Speaker 1 what songs stood out to me the most in the whole special. Like your special was your album.
How many songs do you have that I tell my friends about? Like, it's my song. Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And like, to me, Ron White has done more of that.

Speaker 1 I have more Ron White bits memorized than any other comedian, just by, like, default of how good he is at weaving these little quick two-minute stories of just complete white trashery and drunkery, which is just my fucking specialty.

Speaker 1 It's like, I feel like he grew up on my street. You know what I'm saying? So my mama likes Ron White.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 He was the first guy out here, you know. He was the first guy that came.
He moved here before the pandemic. That's crazy.
Because he was always with us at the store. And then one day I called him up.

Speaker 1 I'm like, where the fuck you been, man?

Speaker 2 He goes, I moved to Austin. Fuck.
Back to Texas.

Speaker 2 He just loved it. He's like, there's no traffic.
Everyone's nice. And I started thinking about it then.
He planted like the first seeds in like 2018. I was like, could I live in Austin?

Speaker 2 Fuck, I don't know. Because my instinct has always been to move to the mountains.
Like, I want to live somewhere where there's no people.

Speaker 1 Did you ever have

Speaker 1 mountains in mind? When you like romanticized it, did you ever think of what mountains you would move to if you did it?

Speaker 2 I really liked the mountains above Boulder.

Speaker 2 I lived there for a little while in 2009.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 when

Speaker 2 I think about Montana sometimes, I think about just someplace more peaceful, Wyoming, somewhere just a little more peaceful, cold as fuck in the winter, but just like more real.

Speaker 2 And that was my thought when I was living in L.A., but it was like a necessity to get the fuck out of there.

Speaker 2 When the COVID stuff was going on, I'm like, they're not going to let this go. They're going to keep us in control.

Speaker 2 Once they have control of you, like they had during the pandemic, wear a mask, got to get a vaccine, can't go here, can't go there, no businesses, everything shut down, all the restaurants go under, all the comedy clubs go under.

Speaker 2 When they were doing that, I was like, they're not going to let this go. I got to get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 And when we came into Texas, it was...

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Speaker 1 Wide open.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, some places made you wear a mask, but it was a joke. It was like, it was a goof.
It was weird. It was like a completely different universe.
We could go to what my kids were young, man.

Speaker 2 They were 10 and 12. And like, they wanted to go to restaurants.
Like we can go to a restaurant here and sit indoors. Like for everyone was terrified in LA and they just weren't here.

Speaker 2 And the same result, like the same, the same thing happened to everybody, but over here it was a way more peaceful experience. And Ron, when we were out here, we started doing shows at the Vulcan.

Speaker 2 And one night, the first time Ron had been on stage in like eight months, he just grabbed me by my shoulders. He's like, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this.

Speaker 2 He's like, you got to open up a club. And I'm like, all right, that's it.

Speaker 1 We're opening up a club.

Speaker 2 And the process began.

Speaker 1 God damn it. All because of Ron.

Speaker 2 Ron led me to think about moving here. Ron was already out here, so I knew that if I did move to Austin, at least Ron's here.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, and then Tony moved here, and then Brian Simpson moved here, and then the fucking, just the train kept a rolling all night long.

Speaker 1 It was nuts. I think it was by default.
It was kind of a universe thing where there was a little bit of stale water that needed to be stirred. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And when you came, that stale water stirred and it awakened everybody. Like, hold on, there's there's choices outside of the same routine that we've been.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, I mean, I'm sure y'all's life was store, store, store, weekends out, store, store, store.

Speaker 2 It was improv too. I did in the ice house.
There was a few clubs we did, like on a regular.

Speaker 2 You know, because

Speaker 2 the more places to work out, the better. You know, and when we were, there were so many of us, too.
You know, we'd have shows with Bill Burzon, me, Tom Segura, Burt Kreischer. They're crazy shows.

Speaker 2 Crazy shows. Because Because everybody was in L.A.
It was a beautiful thing up until they shut everything down.

Speaker 1 It's that beautiful here now, though, but that's what's crazy. That's what I'm saying.
The water is completely, I mean, it is.

Speaker 2 And no, the best thing is, too, there's an added element that we bring new people in every weekend. So every weekend, there's these big national headliners.

Speaker 2 So they come in on Tuesday, Wednesday, and we're fucking around all week.

Speaker 1 We're just having a great time, hanging out.

Speaker 1 That's how I describe your club.

Speaker 2 I was like, it's the gym for the greatest comedians in the world, Tuesday through through thursday and then the other greatest comedians in the world come and rent it from friday to sunday i was like it's crazy dude it's like no matter what day you have kill tony that's the anchor kill toner kill tony is the anchor of comedy in the known universe yeah it really that's a grandiose statement i know but what kill tony shows you is like every comic wants a reaction and some comics unfortunately if you're in specific areas like very liberal areas like silver lake has a problem with this like those kind of places where everyone's like super woke and they want to let everyone else know that they're super woke.

Speaker 2 It's like a kind of thing you have to do. So you get ideologically captured and

Speaker 2 you make material that's bullshit. You get clapped or what Kill Tony makes you do is you have one fucking minute.
You have one minute and there's obviously no rules.

Speaker 2 By the time you get on stage, you've seen Cam go crazy. You've seen Hans Kim say some ridiculous shit.
Maybe you've seen William Montgomery or Brian Holtz, but you've seen maniacs on stage killing.

Speaker 2 And so you got one minute, just crack. It's time to crack.
So it sets a tone for comedy. The comedy is just entertaining.

Speaker 2 No matter how you put it out, no matter what it is, what your style is, what you like to talk about, whether you're Nate Bargazi or whether you're Shane Gillis. There's just a different way to do it.

Speaker 2 Everybody's got their own way to do it. But it's just, just go try to find your way.
Don't try any tricks.

Speaker 2 Don't try to sneak in some fucking ideological bullshit just because because you think people are going to agree with you and like you more and clap and cheat and you're going to say something profound.

Speaker 2 Shut up. You got one minute.
So that sets a tone for all the people coming up.

Speaker 1 For real. For so.

Speaker 2 It's one of the most important things that's ever happened to Connecticut.

Speaker 1 Nobody's trying to impose their beliefs on you real quick. They're just trying to make

Speaker 1 60 seconds to get a fucking laugh.

Speaker 1 And the kill Tony Crowd will boo you if you don't. You've got about 30 seconds with them in an arena.

Speaker 1 In an arena, real dangerous grounds, dude.

Speaker 2 Bro, they were, especially New Yorkers. The first show in New York, dude.

Speaker 2 They were rough.

Speaker 1 They go hard. You know when I knew the arena thing was going to be huge for Tony?

Speaker 1 I flew down here for the first one he did because we were drunk at the bar that night and he was like, I'm going to play an arena. I was like, I'm going to come sing the national anthem.

Speaker 1 And it was a joke because I don't sing the national anthem. I have a rule I don't sing the national anthem.

Speaker 1 But I told him I was going to do it, so I came down. And we're watching

Speaker 1 the first comedian this night at the HEB Center, right? The first bucket pull comes up, and you could tell this bitch did not have any idea she was going to get called or anything to say.

Speaker 1 This is the first you talking about a gift from God for Tony, right? She's not up there 18 seconds, Joe, before they realize that she's just, you know, falafeling.

Speaker 1 The boo-birds came. They didn't start slowly and grow like they normally do.
It was like

Speaker 1 13 or 12,000 people made the decision at once. Boo!

Speaker 2 What a horrible feeling.

Speaker 1 What a horrible feeling. And I was like, oh yeah, this is going to explode in arenas.
I was like, Kill Tony's going to fuck in Arenas.

Speaker 2 It's the best show for that kind of an audience.

Speaker 1 We watch it every Monday on the bus.

Speaker 2 It's chaotic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, full disclosure, like, as a bus, imagine, like, a bunch of music dudes every Monday that were like religiously. It's something we have together.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's something that the whole band can agree on.

Speaker 2 The other thing about Kill Tony was in the beginning, Tony wasn't famous, no one was famous, and they were just going hard.

Speaker 2 and then as everyone got famous they kept going hard whereas it's very hard to just jump in and do something that wild now and there was nothing like it during COVID there's nothing like it you got this live show every week in front of a live audience and everybody else is locked down where you have to wear your fucking mask where you're walking your dog you know like what is going on now you're having to bring it it was also just like this

Speaker 2 rejection of norm, you know, rejection of whatever is going, whatever people think the comedy industry is.

Speaker 2 Because people think the comedy industry is like some group of people with power that control and give people specials that don't deserve it.

Speaker 2 There's all this like weird, weird thoughts about the comedy business. But when the comedy business is only comedians, it's a completely different experience.
And that's what Kale Tony is.

Speaker 1 There's no business element behind it.

Speaker 2 There's no networks. There's no producers.

Speaker 2 There's no person, no executive worrying about their fucking mortgage. You can't say that, Tony.
There's none of that. So it's just wild.

Speaker 1 No, it's complete chaos all the time. It's the greatest show on the internet, period.
That's the truth.

Speaker 2 You have fucking rules. And it's, like I said.

Speaker 1 But you're talking about people that do more when they get there. And that means you were talking off record, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, off record, off the microphone when we were walking in here about you hang around nine long enough, you'll be the 10th. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And God bless me that in the last few years, in light of my success, I've been had really cool friends. Like Tony and I become really good friends.
You and I become really good friends.

Speaker 1 And I've been able to watch, like a student of the game, guys like y'all, y'all, Bert, Tom, and go, man, these dudes are turning the heat up as it matters.

Speaker 1 Like the content's flowing like it's only getting bigger. Last year, Joe, my most successful year of my career, I wrote more songs than I've ever wrote in a single year as a free man.

Speaker 2 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 Jail's a different concept because fuck what I wrote a song a day. You know what I mean? But I wrote 100 and I turned in 170 songs in my publisher last year.

Speaker 1 I just couldn't quit writing them. I was on the bus.
I just could not. I could not at every corner.
I was getting done with show. You know, I do five shows a week.
It's just how we tour.

Speaker 1 I was getting straight on the bus and just grabbing a guitar and just pouring ideas. I'm putting out 27 songs when this podcast is out.
My album Beautifully Broken is out right now.

Speaker 1 I had 22 on the album and I had five or six features that I was going to do for deluxe next week. And my wife tees one of the songs.
It's kind of doing good.

Speaker 1 So I think I'm just going to drop them all tomorrow, today, technically, anyway.

Speaker 2 Dude, you're so at home on stage, it's crazy. You know,

Speaker 2 when you did New York, New York at Madison Square Garden, I asked you, I'm like, how often do you just do this? Just get up there and sing. How often are you doing this?

Speaker 2 It's a crazy thing because it's like just you. You just are you up there? You know, 15,000 people, 50,000 people.
It's just jelly roll. That's it.

Speaker 2 That's when a guy's like, you know, you're just so in the zone and so on top of your game.

Speaker 2 It's just beautiful to watch someone that's in the zone because you recognize that that feeling is a great feeling when you're just like totally in tune with what you're doing.

Speaker 2 I love when I see a comic that's in there.

Speaker 1 When you know it's a flow. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Last time David Tell was here, it was right before he filmed his special. My God, it was magic.
Oh, he's so different. Oh, my God.
He's so good right now.

Speaker 2 If you get a chance to see David Tell live, if you're a comedy fan, you have to see him.

Speaker 2 And now I'm sure he's got a whole bunch of new stuff because the special's out.

Speaker 2 God damn, he's in this fucking flow. He's

Speaker 2 like a Zen master up there.

Speaker 1 It's scary how comfortable he is. So I've never been to the cellar.
It's been a dream of mine. I had a night in New York.

Speaker 1 I'd finished TV, so I went to the cellar that night and I got David Tell's number on Burt's tour. I went on Bert's fully loaded tour this year for fun.
Did I tell you the story?

Speaker 2 I think so.

Speaker 1 Just like, I think I told you, but just like to fuck off, I called Bert and was like, yo, can I just park my bus and just come fuck off for like five or six shows? And he was like, what?

Speaker 1 I was like, yeah. He was like, will you sing? I was like, fuck yeah, whatever.
I'll come sing a song or two. So I just go over the guitar every night between comedians.

Speaker 2 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 But me and Dave would hang out every night.

Speaker 1 Me, Dave, Big Jay, Okerson, so uh soder um morrell and we would all just burt work there i'm just like having the cool i'm just like i'm rarely quiet as i am back there because i'm just listening because these dudes are telling the greatest storytellers ever oh yeah telling old stories great guys too so great dude he's the best

Speaker 2 the dude son so i'm like uh sam's amazing he's those they're just such good guys too and such good real just different level comedians too man they're great comedians but they're just great people too they're fun to hang with there's a great crop.

Speaker 2 There's a great crop of people coming up right now. You know, Normand and Shane and all these guys coming up right now are so good.

Speaker 2 It's so fun.

Speaker 1 It's a different level. Dave Atel gives me his number.
He's like, call me if you're ever in New York. I know.
I see he has a flip phone, right? Dave pulls a little flip phone out.

Speaker 1 So I'm in New York and I just like randomly and I say, Dave, when I call you, I'm going to be in New York City trying to find you, okay?

Speaker 1 He said, no problem. I'll be at the cellar.
It's what he tells me, right? I call this dude. Me and Ian Finance are sitting at the bar.
And I say, I'm going to call Dave and see what time he's coming.

Speaker 1 I call, third ring, Dave answers and go, you here? I go, I am. He goes, you need help getting in? I was like, I'm in.
He said, see you in a few. Flips the phone down.

Speaker 1 It was the most David Dell thing ever.

Speaker 2 He's one of the only guys I know that stopped partying, got completely sober, and got way better. Way better.

Speaker 1 A lot of guys.

Speaker 2 There's like this thing that they have when they're, you know, doing drugs, especially, where they're they're just wild. And sometimes that wildness is like a magical energy on stage.

Speaker 2 Like, I couldn't imagine a sober Kinnison.

Speaker 2 That would have been really weird. Man.
Like, Kinnison's whole thing was like, I'm here to fucking party.

Speaker 1 Yes. Like, he was partying, dude, hard.

Speaker 2 And that's why we didn't get much out of him. We only got like really a couple of good albums out of Kinnison because he's just going too hard.

Speaker 1 His family came to my show in El Paso. Polly sent them.

Speaker 1 And they brought me Sam Kinnison's original gospel discs. Oh, wow.
They gave me like five of them, Joe. It's like one of my most prized possessions nowadays.
How is it? How's the music?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's crazy. Well, it's a lot of preaching on there, too.

Speaker 2 Is it preaching and singing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a lot of preaching on the first one. I didn't get to the second one yet.
I hadn't had a disc player. They brought all five of them.

Speaker 1 And I was so scared to fuck them up, I immediately put them in a pelican crate and sent them home. Oh, wow.
I was like, this is crazy. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I mean, the whole Kinnison family is like 10 of them in there sharing all these cool stories stories because I wanted them. Polly said, the Kennison family wants to come see your show.

Speaker 1 I said, I want them to see my show because I have, so much of my show is derivative from Sam Kinnison. You know what I mean? Like, there's so much.
I'm a Southern gospel man anyways.

Speaker 1 I went to a Southern church, so I just understood Kinnison's inflections and that kind of thing. It just spoke to me from where I'm from.

Speaker 1 So it's like I have always tried to, I tell people, I'm somewhere between Billy Graham and Sam Kinnison. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 As far as like how, you know, when you got to come see, I'll be, I do the Moody Center in November. Okay.
It's a middle of the week, too. You should be able to make it.
Let's go. It'll be fun.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to talk Carrie into putting a closed on Mitzi's door sign that says closed gone to the jelly roll show.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Mitzies, can I tell you something? I want to, I've been waiting to talk to you about this in person.

Speaker 1 I was so inspired by the time I've spent with you down here. And more importantly, the time I spent at your club, even without you, just they've treated me.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you hear the stories, but I've become a fixture of furniture there when I'm in town. And

Speaker 1 I am opening, I'm announcing this now right here, that I'm opening my bar on Broadway in Nashville, Tennessee, which is a real big deal. You've been to Broadway.
It's all after country music stars.

Speaker 1 I'm the first Nashville native to get a bar. So like the first kid from the city to get a bar.
But I was so inspired by the way the mothership has Mitzies. And it's like an honor to Mitzies.

Speaker 1 And what y'all do that I have put, my bar is going to be called Jelly Rolls Good Night Nashville. But I have a back bar called Buddies named after my late father.

Speaker 1 And it was completely inspired from what you have done at Mitzi's. Oh, that's great.
All the way down to the, we're going to set his chair there for him. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, it's just so inspiring. And it's going to be just like y'all.
Our rule is it's open to the public when it's open to the public.

Speaker 1 And when it's not, it's not. Right.
You know what I mean? Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's like because that place has created such a safe place for me to party. Yeah.
This is what me and Post Malone talk about when we're drunk by ourselves.

Speaker 1 We're like, we need to go back to Johnston. Let's just go hang.
It's like the safest bar in the world. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I can say anything here.
I know I'm okay. Everybody's cool.

Speaker 2 The whole staff's cool. The staff's mostly comedians.

Speaker 1 But my question was, can I send my buddy's bartender to hang out with Carrie for a week and shadow her?

Speaker 2 100%. Sure.

Speaker 1 Okay, Carrie said she's into it. She just said, ask John.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, whatever you need. Yeah, that's a great idea.

Speaker 1 I think I'm going to send her down in November around my show here. I'm going to bring her with me so she can meet Carrie that night because Carrie runs the ultimate celebrity bar to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, she deals with complete chaos down there with them comedians. I've watched it.
It is wild.

Speaker 2 Well, Carrie learned how to do it at the store. That's why I hired her.
She was one of the first hires.

Speaker 2 Because I told her, I go, you know, she was like one of the first people I contacted. I'm like, I'm going to open up a club.
She's an awesome dude.

Speaker 2 I had to get her out here because she was like the mother of the back bar. That's how I feel.

Speaker 1 So the back bar at the store was

Speaker 2 completely removed. There's no general public at all.
It's a very small.

Speaker 1 Have you ever been in the back bar of the store? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So Carrie ran that place.

Speaker 2 So she kept everybody in line punky was there too before Punky was on SNL it's hilarious she used to run that back bar too and we used to all hang out there like anybody you know you could be safe there anybody all these celebrities people from out of town they'd all just find their way to that weird little private bar so I kind of knew and originally Mitzi's was not going to be open to the public at all it was just going to be a private bar but then along the way we said you know what it doesn't hurt to like have it open to the general public like up until a certain time and then from that time out have it everybody after the shows are over because that's when everybody really wants to hang and that was like the best blending of both worlds you know but it was that old bar in Hollywood was it had her bar from her home that they had moved and put there so the actual bar that you put drinks on was from her home yeah yeah so it's like that there was like a piece of her there with us all the time so when we decided to do this place I'm like we gotta have a bar just for Mitzi just it's the

Speaker 2 same kind of vibe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, it touched my soul in such a way that I wanted to do it for my father. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So I just want you to know that the Mitzi legacy has went even further and that what y'all have created there is spreading on to,

Speaker 1 you almost got me emotional talking about a woman I never even met. I just know she did so much for you.

Speaker 2 She did so much for everybody. She's the most important person in the history of comedy that's not a comedian.

Speaker 1 Polly's shared some really cool stories with me about her, and it's just, man, it's just unreal. I got to spend a little time with Polly because I went to that back bar there.

Speaker 1 The cool thing is, because of y'all, I've now found y'all's community embraces me everywhere now, so I'm safe. If I'm in a city now, if I'm in L.A., I'm like, where's the comedy club?

Speaker 1 I bet they got a back bar. Call Adam Ray.
You know what I'm saying? Adam Ray's like, hey, I'm at the back bar at the store. Come on.
I'm like, yes, on the way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a fun group of people, contrary to popular belief.

Speaker 2 Popular belief is that comedians are all like miserable.

Speaker 1 No, dude, it's actually the funnest.

Speaker 1 The greatest storytellers ever.

Speaker 1 I could listen to guys like Bert talk all night. I could listen to Joey Diaz talk all night.
I've known Joey for 30 years.

Speaker 2 He still tells me new stories. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. No, dude.
It's crazy, man.

Speaker 1 How do you still have stories? It's crazy, dude. Because Joey could go to the store today and have a story.
Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? It just be fucking one of the best stories ever.

Speaker 1 I think once I'm all in the storytelling business, right? That's what I do, too. Sure.
I'm telling stories. I'm not doing it

Speaker 1 in a comedic way, but I'm still telling a story. You know what I mean? Like, it's all that kind of story.

Speaker 1 I am attracted to storytellers.

Speaker 1 I think we all are.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's why you love a good movie. That's why you love a good book.

Speaker 1 Especially one that somebody that can tell a story that can capture you in a certain way.

Speaker 2 I think it was probably the oldest form of entertainment, right?

Speaker 2 Once people, when they first started learning language, I bet the oldest form of entertainment was probably recreating a thing they saw.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Had to be, right? Yeah, for sure.
But think about the old, let's sit around the campfire, read stories. I mean, that's sure.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they were telling tales. Tall tales is what they used to call them.
Think about how long we've been hearing these kind of stories of people just telling stories.

Speaker 2 Also, back then, that was the only time in your day that you got to relax.

Speaker 2 When you're sitting around the campfire, that was the only time. It was dark out.
There was nothing to do.

Speaker 2 You found all the food you're going to find, and you're going to get up in the morning and go right back at it all day long again, and then eventually find your way back to the campfire.

Speaker 2 So the campfire was like the time where people would sit around and entertain each other. Wow.
In prehistory.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's deep. Because you're thinking about it like from a hunting perspective, too.
They had to go out all day and find the food. Yeah.
You can only do that when the sun was out.

Speaker 2 You could only do it when the sun was out. And at the nighttime, it's fucking dangerous because there's predators out there.
So fire is the best thing to keep off the predators.

Speaker 2 You need a fire, and everybody gathers around the fire because the predators don't want to come to the fire.

Speaker 2 Fuck, man. And that's where people learned how to tell stories.
That's why I were so attracted to it.

Speaker 1 And they were doing fucking drugs back then, too. I'm sure.
They were smoking precisely and doing all kinds of things. They were doing doing all drugs.

Speaker 1 Somebody had already figured out that cow shit mushrooms could make you feel great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 100%. They tried everything.
They were starving. They tried a little bit of eating everything, and they figured out what you can eat and what kills you.

Speaker 2 Imagine going through mushrooms and trying to figure out which ones kill you and which ones get you to see God.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 They had to figure that out trial and error.

Speaker 1 How many times they had to go through it and go back and go, listen, y'all, I've done this a few times, and I'm pretty confident that there is this thing that grows in a pile of shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It makes me feel fucking like God. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy, dude.
Somebody had to be that guy.

Speaker 2 Did you ever hear about John Marco Allegro in the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Scrolls?

Speaker 2 It's Sacred Mushroom. What was a Sacred Mushroom in the Christian myth? And what was there's two different

Speaker 2 Sacred Mushroom and the Dead Sea Scrolls, I think, is one of them.

Speaker 2 What are the titles of his book? The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
And then there is another one.

Speaker 2 There's another one that he released after the Catholic Church allegedly bought out all the copies of the first one to get rid of it.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 Something in the Christian myth. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian myth.
The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian myth.

Speaker 1 I read the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Speaker 2 So this guy thinks that all of religion is stories about mushrooms. He thinks that the entire Christian religion was about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.

Speaker 2 He thinks that what they were doing was they would have these stories, especially when they were conquered by the Romans, they'd have these stories, so they would hide the truth in stories and in, you know, allegories and all these different tales.

Speaker 2 But he thinks that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms.

Speaker 1 I can tell you this on brand. I mean, I'm a man of faith, but on brand with that is Jesus told stories.

Speaker 1 He taught in stories.

Speaker 1 Jesus never gave a

Speaker 1 direction.

Speaker 1 He always was just like, well, and then he'd tell a story and you would have to figure out. You know what I mean? It was like, okay, the story would show the, it was always in story form too.

Speaker 2 Maybe they knew that was the best way to ensure that people would tell it same way every time.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 2 You know, because if you have a story, in the story, Noah has an ark and he brings the animals in the ark and God tells him he's going to do this and he's going to do that and he does it.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, if you have a story, then that information keeps getting told essentially the same way over and over and over again. Like we can read the epic of Gilgamesh today.

Speaker 2 That's a 6,000-year-old story. Something like that.
5,000?

Speaker 1 Yeah. We can read that today.

Speaker 2 That's nuts. That's right.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 2 because it's a story

Speaker 2 but if it was just people talking about what what you should do or what happened and you know like when it's history man we can't trust history from the 60s yeah history from the 60s we're we're finding out new shit every day about the kennedy assassination yeah that was fucking 63 man 63 that's 51 fucking years ago that's insane and we're still trying to figure out what the fuck happened and this is like with modern in like they had television they had printing press, they had all these different things.

Speaker 2 They had accountability, they had elected officials, they had democracy, still can't figure out what the fuck happened. And that's 63.

Speaker 2 So imagine trying to figure out what the fuck happened 5,000 years ago. You know, it's like, who knows who's telling the truth? Who knows?

Speaker 2 You've got to like sort through the rubble and figure out what the fucking the facts show.

Speaker 2 But if you have a story, even if it's like there's something hidden in that story. Right.
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Speaker 2 The Apple was in the Garden of Eden.

Speaker 1 That's deep. That's, yeah, all that was in story.

Speaker 1 The thing about stories, too, is they said, I've never been to the pyramids, but they said that all that stuff on the inside of it is just a story, right? It's all telling a story.

Speaker 1 The hieroglyphics, the hieroglyphics are like telling stories, or when they have the guys chasing these things with the spears, they're like trying to show a story.

Speaker 1 It's all trying to tell a story, man.

Speaker 2 A lot of mushrooms, too. Yeah.
There's a lot of images then with mushrooms.

Speaker 1 I might love mushrooms a day. It's my album release day.
I'm thinking about it. I don't know if I want to do mushrooms.
God, they should be legal. I know, right? God, they should be legal.

Speaker 2 They should be legal and regulated, and people should figure out what the fuck they do. Yeah.
Should do a lot of research, figure out what this is. This might be the thing that gets us out of there.

Speaker 2 Just a micro-dosing nation that connects together.

Speaker 1 I know every time I've went deep, it was life-changing for me. Like, I'll do a lot of mushrooms every now and then, just like, you know, ooh, let's get.
But anytime I was like, let's go,

Speaker 1 it was a life-changing experience.

Speaker 2 It's funny that people want to reject that as not being important.

Speaker 2 What's really important is to keep people from like losing their mind and losing their ambition and becoming like the hippies were in the 1960s following Timothy Leary.

Speaker 2 That's what everybody's worried about. Everybody's worried about like this collapse of society because people they give up on capitalism and they tune in and drop out, you know, that whole thing.

Speaker 2 I don't think that's real.

Speaker 2 I don't think we should be worried about that.

Speaker 2 I think those people are always going to want to drop out. People that are that want to fuck off are always going to want to fuck off.
And if you give them an excuse, yeah, they're going to do it.

Speaker 2 But that's just a style of person. That's not going to affect most people.
Most people would benefit, especially if they're not crazy, if they don't have mental health problems.

Speaker 2 You'll probably get something out of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it's helped me in some of my most depressed moments.
If I'm really in a dark, dark spot and can't get out of it, my wife will encourage me to go trip. She'll be like, why don't you go?

Speaker 1 We got this,

Speaker 1 it's called the Buffalo River back in Tennessee. It's outside of a little town called Hornwall, Tennessee.
Look, old Country River, man. I mean, look, Country Creek River.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a river, but it's kind of shallow. You can see the bottom of it.
It's called Floating to Buffalo. We'll go out there and just float to Buffalo.

Speaker 1 And every now, about twice a year, me and the buddies will go out there and we'll just take six or seven

Speaker 1 and just float to Buffalo. Damn.
So if I haven't got to do it in a year because of the schedule, my wife will feel that on me and be like,

Speaker 1 Yo, you might go to the Buffalo. You know what I'm saying? She's like, She'll say it really cool.
She'll be like, When's the last time you floated to Buffalo?

Speaker 1 And I'll be like, That's been a year, hadn't it? She'll be like, I think you and Scary, Larry's one of my best friends. And he's, I've known, we met each other in juvenile hall.

Speaker 1 He's a just wild character. She goes, You and Scary should go float to Buffalo.
She'll just like encourage me. Like, she knows I'm going to come back a way better husband, a way better father.

Speaker 2 You know what the wildest theory I've ever heard about psilocybin is?

Speaker 2 Is that it came from outer space, that it's an organism from another planet. And the reason for this is that

Speaker 2 they know that

Speaker 2 spores can survive in the vacuum of space. And there's a thing called panspermia.

Speaker 2 What panspermia is, is the idea that like an asteroid slams into a planet and it takes amino acids and biological organisms that can survive in space and a bunch of different elements from that planet and then introduces those new elements to another planet by way of an asteroid.

Speaker 2 And that's a real thing that we know for sure happens, right? And they know that that's how we get iridium.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of iridium on Earth, like in places where there's been an impact, because it's really rare on Earth, but really common in space.

Speaker 2 So we know that some shit gets to us. And apparently, I'm too stupid to understand this, but the way botanists describe it, and see if you can find any information on this.

Speaker 2 There's something very unusual about the compound psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms, psilocybin cubensis mushrooms.

Speaker 2 They're very weird, and they're not really connected to a lot of the other fungus that's here in some strange way. Like the way they work is like also very tied into human neurochemistry.

Speaker 2 Like it's really close to like dimethyltryptamine, which is a part of human neurochemistry. And so the craziest theory is that it's come from space.

Speaker 2 Living spores have been found and collected in every level of Earth's atmosphere. Mushroom spores are electron dense and can survive in the vacuum of space.

Speaker 2 Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue, which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light.

Speaker 2 And as if all this wasn't unique enough, the outer shell of the spore is the hardest organic compound to exist in nature.

Speaker 2 So this is one of the weirder theories. So this is, was this Terence McKenna's theory? Are mushrooms from outer space?

Speaker 2 It brings him up. I don't know if it's officially his theory, but...
The late ethnobotanist Terrence McKenna suggests that mushrooms are responsible for human intelligence. Yeah, he had a theory.

Speaker 2 It's called the stoned ape theory.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I heard about that.

Speaker 2 His theory hypothesized that mushroom spores possess all the necessary requirements to travel on space currents.

Speaker 2 Furthermore, they could have settled in the brain matter of primitive hominoids and following the lines of modern-day hallucinogenic mushrooms directly contributed to our modern-day intelligence and self-awareness.

Speaker 1 It's fucking wild.

Speaker 2 Yeah, his theory is that's why, I mean, if you can see it there, click on that back again, you can see where it was talking about his theory. So his theory is r very, very bizarre.

Speaker 1 He said he went on to theorize that mushrooms are the reason there's human life on Earth.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he said, while that may seem like material from space, from a science fiction novel, rather, there is no avoiding the fact that mushrooms possess many traits that are unique to their kingdom alone.

Speaker 2 Fungi build cell walls of, I don't know how to say that word, chitin, chitin, chitin, the same material that makes up the hard outer shell of insects and other arthropods.

Speaker 1 I'm so country I've said chitin. Chitin could be chitin, chitin, like chitlins.

Speaker 2 These cell walls contain similar chemicals found in butterfly and beetle wings, as well as the plumage of some colorful birds, such as peacocks, living spores.

Speaker 2 Okay, so we've read that, but what is it? There was something about his theory where he's explaining his theory of how it would have worked.

Speaker 2 That's it?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 essentially, his theory was that they experimented with mushrooms and it made them better hunters and it made him more creative and it made him figure out language.

Speaker 2 And he thinks it's responsible for just like this weird mystery of the human brain size. It doubled over a period of two million years.
And there's no real solid explanation.

Speaker 2 It's a very strange thing.

Speaker 2 Apparently the biggest mystery in all the fossil record when it comes to animals and evolution. Like how did, yeah, how did the human brain double over two million years?

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, it had a men psilocybin.

Speaker 2 Probably had a part of it or aliens.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Maybe aliens. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe both.

Speaker 1 Maybe they are aliens.

Speaker 2 You know, maybe they are aliens. Maybe we're just looking the wrong way.

Speaker 1 Maybe we're fucking aliens, right? I think we probably are.

Speaker 2 I think we probably are. It doesn't seem like we belong here.

Speaker 1 You know what? I tell somebody all the time, my new theory is because my life turned out in such a way I never dreamed that this is a simulation.

Speaker 1 And that there is an overweight, nerdy alien that plays me. And that during my,

Speaker 1 I think about this all the time when when I'm high. And that my sleeping hours are like when he's doing his normal stuff, and my waking hours are his two hours a day.

Speaker 1 And I just imagine this like kid that's looking back, like, mom, you won't believe what I've done with that fat dude the last nine months. It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 He's one of the most famous artists in the world. And she's like, you got to get off.
He's like, but he's going to the Grammys.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like a super hype version of Red Dead Redemption.

Speaker 1 My dude's telling people, like, y'all remember remember that dude we thought wasn't going to do it? He did it. He fucking figured it out.

Speaker 2 If it's a simulation, it's a really good one. We're in a good timeline, brother.
Oh, I couldn't be.

Speaker 2 We're in a really good episode.

Speaker 1 We got a fucking good group of writers. You couldn't have got any color.

Speaker 2 It's like, if you're on the show and you got writers like this, like, fuck, these writers are amazing. This fucking show is always entertaining.
Every day, there's some drama. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, especially right now. We're in the middle of the drama.

Speaker 2 Oh, my goodness. There's so much.
There's so much.

Speaker 1 You could get overwhelmed just looking at the news every day it's a great time for me to be in the middle of a tour because i've missed it all i'm doing five shows a week and i'm so in the vortex of touring yeah good we do that old school rock and roll so we really do play five shows a week for 12 13 weeks you know that's amazing it's awesome dude but again that's why you're so comfortable up there you're so just yeah it reeks of a man that's done a thousand shows you know what i mean it's like when you see a comedian up there really comfortable it's like when i watched the tell at the comedy seller when he leaned back on the wall yeah i I was like, oh, he's fitting to kill.

Speaker 1 When he just walked straight up and leaned back. And then he calls Ian up and Ian's just throwing, you know, just shit at him.
And he's just lighting Ian on fire. It's just, it was so good, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a good hammer and nail the two of those guys together, too. He did that at the club here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, too. I feel like it's,

Speaker 1 it, it reminds me of like the early phases of like a bumping mics thing, like a new version of that. Right.

Speaker 1 Which, because when him and Jeff Ross are together, it's like when David Lucas and Tony are firing on each other. I feel the exact same same way when Jeff Ross and David Tell are near each other.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I get that same excited feeling of like, ooh, some shit's going to pop off.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Yeah, when David and Tony go after each other, there's like hours on the internet of just David and Tony shitting on each other.

Speaker 2 100,000 ways David can call Tony gay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's called David 100,000 ways to be fat.

Speaker 2 It's also the way they laugh at each other doing it. Like, if this is a simulation, man, we picked a really good one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's getting cooler and cooler.

Speaker 2 Elon believes it's a simulation. He's a lot smarter than me.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He thinks the odds that it's not a simulation are in the billions. Really? Yeah, in the billions, he said.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, dude, there's a little dude that's nobody believes that he's going to school every day like, my Minecraft dude is killing it.

Speaker 2 Do you get

Speaker 2 that imposter syndrome thing ever?

Speaker 1 Oh, man, so much. I'm...

Speaker 1 I'm somewhere between feeling extremely uncomfortable where I'm at in my career right now or overly comfortable where I'm at in my career. So I'm either having to catch myself and go, whoa, big fella.

Speaker 1 Right. Come on now, dog.
You were just in jail, 10.

Speaker 1 People that knew you six years ago hate you still. You know what I'm saying? It's like.

Speaker 1 And then I have situations where I'm like, I don't belong here. I'm having that moment right now.

Speaker 1 This is my first album, Joe, that is

Speaker 1 going to be in a fight for the number one album in the world.

Speaker 1 Never dream. Now, this is like, what the fuck am I doing here? You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 that's a different world.

Speaker 2 Do you think that's maybe something that you shouldn't even think about? Because, like, your music's amazing. You're amazing.

Speaker 2 Maybe all that, just let it just exist.

Speaker 1 No, that's what I've been. And that's.

Speaker 2 Because it's so big now, it's almost like if you pay attention to it, you're going to go blind.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? Like, you're kind of staring at the sun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're kind of staring at the sun. Like, it used to be you had a little campfire and you're warming your hands because it's cold outside.

Speaker 2 But now you're kind of staring at the sun. And maybe just be jelly roll.

Speaker 1 That's that's what I, yeah. But what scared being jellyroll got me to the point that they're now saying I might have a number one album.
You probably know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 And then you're in a place where you're like, holy fuck. And that's where the imposter syndrome comes in because you're like, yo, I wasn't even.

Speaker 2 That's where friends are bored. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I didn't have a Billboard Hot 100 song

Speaker 1 until 24, 36 months ago. Yeah,

Speaker 2 you exploded.

Speaker 2 But you handle it beautifully. You really do.

Speaker 2 Because you feel like genuine gratitude.

Speaker 2 Genuine gratitude comes off of you.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I'm true.
I am true. You feel it.
I mean, you know me. I

Speaker 1 can't believe this is happening. It's too much.
I know you can't, but it's fucking the wildest thing ever, dude. It is.

Speaker 2 Every corner, we deserve it.

Speaker 1 I was just with our boy Brigham doing some blood work and getting

Speaker 1 some shit to make my feel better. I broke my heel.

Speaker 1 And we were talking about that of like

Speaker 1 living in the gratitude of it

Speaker 1 and realizing even you saying that we're such a special simulation.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 this, the time of this, I know I keep going back to the same point, but it's where my heart is right now is watching me and a bunch of guys that were all at this kind of same thing at the same time three or four years ago that you could feel the teapot bubbling and all of us being like a little left of center.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like I I wasn't supposed to be in country music the way that they've embraced me outside looking in you'd have never guessed right outside looking in you could have never said that kill tony would be the number one live podcast on the internet you know what I mean or that Schultz's podcast would be or that

Speaker 1 me and

Speaker 1 Zach Bryan would have this similar of course he ended up being way bigger than me but this like similar kind of We're writing songs our whole life that nobody really heard.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden they got this just

Speaker 1 It's probably the craziest synergies that could have ever happened in any scenario for me in any way.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's inspired me to get healthy. It's like gave me purpose.
And I've never felt more loved. I've never felt more warmed or welcomed.
I spent so much time feeling the opposite of loved, you know.

Speaker 1 Even walking in here and playing with Carl, there was a time in my life where I would have walked in here and that dog would have let y'all know I was not a good person. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 You would have just looked and be like, why is Carl acting weird with this big guy? You know what I mean? Yeah, just what's up with kids were the same way, dude. Kids would look at me and squall.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And

Speaker 1 it's really inspired me to start focusing on my health too, dude. I'm down 100 pounds now.
Officially down 100 fucking pounds.

Speaker 2 That's amazing. Congratulations.
That's really huge. That's a massive accomplishment.
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 1 It's been all food. I'm working out.
I'm walking. But what I've learned is as I'm losing the weight, it's inspiring me to just keep going.

Speaker 1 By nature, I want to go walk and do more stuff because I'm lighter. I feel better.
So when the homie's like, you want to go play basketball? We're playing basketball three days a week now. Wow.

Speaker 1 You want to hear the coolest act of love, Joe? I'll try not to get emotional talking about this, but

Speaker 1 my whole band

Speaker 1 has watched me fight cocaine addiction. They watched me get off Coke.
They watched me get off lean.

Speaker 1 They've watched me figure my life out slowly. And they knew that the last mountain for me was food.

Speaker 1 So we started putting a real structure around. I hired a real nutritionist.
He's out here with me now. I mean, like, I'm only eating his food.
I'm just like super with it.

Speaker 1 We're getting anything that could, you know, out of the green rooms. We're just so I'm working out every day walking around the arenas.

Speaker 1 And one day they have a basketball court because we're fucking playing. This is insane, by the way, that I'm playing fucking NBA arenas.
And like, I'm playing where the fucking Orlando magic.

Speaker 1 I'm on an Orlando magic court. Like, what the? I feel like I'm fucking fat Shaq.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 so the first day it's just like me and like three or four dudes.

Speaker 1 The crew heard, dude, the next day, 30.

Speaker 1 The whole crew showed up for me. And they don't, you know, these dudes are just, they're just there because they know it's helping me kind of.

Speaker 1 So now three days a week, we're renting basketball courts and having full-blown fucking tournaments. Wow.
And it's been so good for me because it's like.

Speaker 1 Reconnecting to my childhood in this really weird way of like I grew up in a community where there were basketball courts and we would all go play. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's like, it's been really like,

Speaker 1 it's been the best experience ever. And I'm getting to do do it in like back to that weird shit.

Speaker 1 Not only are you experiencing this with your friends and people you love, and then you're doing it at the San Antonio Spurs Court.

Speaker 1 And the San Antonio Spurs coach is out there giving you pointers and fucking being the referee. That's amazing.
And the Sacramento Kings coach is fucking shooting with you. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Elon's right.

Speaker 1 This ain't real life. No.

Speaker 1 It can't be. It's unreal, dude.
Leaving nationwide arena. But I was also

Speaker 1 telling Brigham, talking about the humility, too, is that I'm still nervous walking in here and we're friends. And, you know, what you tell us all the time is what you tell Brigham.

Speaker 1 You know what he's going to tell you. We're just two friends talking.
I was like, I know, with 20 million motherfuckers listening, dog. I fucking, I'm not falling for that.

Speaker 1 We're just two buddies talking shit.

Speaker 2 Don't look at the sun.

Speaker 1 That's it. You're right.

Speaker 1 You know how much I needed to hear that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Especially like, because I don't get in my head about stuff, but just this week was the first time the label called and said, hey, we don't want to, we want to put this on your radar because it might make you want to promote the record.

Speaker 1 You might have a number one album. And I was like, whoa, dude, this shit wasn't even in my mind.
When I had a number five album last year, you couldn't have told me I didn't have a number one album.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? I was like, fuck you. Crazy.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 This is coffee. That's water.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a wild experience, man. And if it's not real, boy, we picked a really good simulation.

Speaker 1 It's been great, though, man.

Speaker 2 It's great to hear that you're on this positive track because it's all now just about momentum. It's just about staying on the course.
That's what's hard for people is getting the good momentum.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm building the the momentum.
I had a moment the other day. I was telling Schultz this.
It was a really small win, but for a food, lifelong food addict, Joe, I was up to 550-something pounds.

Speaker 1 I was having to weigh myself at meat places.

Speaker 1 And I was telling him that I used to walk in and, like a drug addict, I would scan the room and make a count of everything I could eat. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like if you had like the little baby Snickers and a little thing or da-da-da.

Speaker 1 And like, the other day I was in my green room and somebody was in the green room and they picked up a piece of candy and said did you you want one of these because we just got hit hit a dab or something I didn't even know the candy was in there Joe because normally they get the candy they don't put shit like that in my room and that was the first time I was like oh I'm on to something like I'm fucking winning right now right like I didn't even notice that I could have been eating milk for five hours I didn't know you know what I want to eat them all I didn't even scan for candy it wasn't even it's not even a thought now when I walk into places is is there a candy dish here you know what I mean that used to be literally one of the first things I would look for.

Speaker 1 You know, is there a candy dish here?

Speaker 1 I've had to make so many different small habit changes, but it's been the fucking, I was just telling Bubba out there, and I was telling Bruce on the way in here, I feel this good just losing 100 pounds, Joe, and I'm still, I've never told my weight, but I'm going to tell it here because I want some accountability from people.

Speaker 1 I'm 420 something now, 420. And

Speaker 1 Imagine I'm talking, I'm walking around different, talking different. My shoulders are setting different.
I'm fucking my wife different. I'm just kind of, you know, I'm moving different.

Speaker 2 Bro, you probably have crazy, powerful legs.

Speaker 1 Dude, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 I bet you have massive.

Speaker 1 I've been going to the gym now.

Speaker 1 Listen, dude, as much as you can fit on that thing, I'm throwing. Of course.
Throwing. Think about it, man.

Speaker 2 You've been carrying around 500 pounds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 500 plus.

Speaker 2 Your legs must be sturdy as fuck.

Speaker 1 No, dude.

Speaker 2 And if you could lose weight now, you're going to have like super legs. Should they keep going?

Speaker 1 No, Joe, man, my goal is when I come back and do this next year, it's going to be fucking insane like I've never been more dialed in I've never cared more about it I've never been happier what are you eating like what is the guy you're eating oh dude man he's here he's um he's actually been really killing it for me so I have from eating bad for so many years my gut has just been fucked so we've just been focusing on slowing down the gut I'm only eating twice a day I'm eating a fruit snack in between you ever do any fasting mm-hmm yeah I'm trying to fast one day a week now just to work on like the autophagy so some of these skin cells so I won't be as flat.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be saggy. You know what I mean? So I'm going to lose that calendar.

Speaker 2 Do you know that story about that one dude that went on nothing but a vitamin IV drip for a year and lost 200 something pounds? I think he lost 300 pounds.

Speaker 1 Yes, I've watched it. Did he lose like 300 pounds?

Speaker 2 Something crazy like that. This dude had no food for a year.
And his fat shrunk, but his skin shrunk too. Yeah, that's what happens.

Speaker 1 It's called, somebody told me, and I could have the name wrong here, y'all, but it's called autophagy. Have you heard of this?

Speaker 2 I think autophagy is

Speaker 1 like skin cells i think your body gets rid of all bad cells this is like something that comes with fasting bad cells is definitely a scientific version of it but i think i think the way they explain it to me is that has something to do with the elixac elaxis elexis how do you say elasticity elasticity of the skin and that it's what helps so that's why i work one day a week at least every other week i'm just taking a full 24 hours but i'm only eating probably eight or nine hours a day now anyway so i'm kind of intermittent in the that's the real bummer when people lose a lot of weight is that that you got all this extra skin like ethan supli he had to have all that shit cut and stitched up i've listened to that podcast with him twice in the last 90 days

Speaker 1 full three-hour podcast his first here just just to kind of i love the way he thinks yeah it's just you know impressive guy yeah i love for me i'm i'm always looking for like inspiration as a um

Speaker 1 As a songwriter, we're always writing a song. You know, as a comedian, you're always looking for a joke.
You know what I mean? So that kind of, find I'm always looking for that.

Speaker 1 So when I found that pot, I was like, oh, this dude, and he kind of did what I would, how he looks now is a dream scenario for me. He didn't get like crazy big, but he doesn't look like saggy sick.

Speaker 1 Because sometimes when you go from being as big as we've gotten, you get down to 300 pounds and people start looking at you like, are you okay?

Speaker 1 And you're like, I'm fucking better than I've ever been. You know what I mean? They're worried.
Yeah, they're worried, you know, because, but they just couldn't imagine. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Even when I just told,

Speaker 1 I always forget his name, but your guy out there, the archer guy,

Speaker 1 worked at the archery store, great guy. But I was just telling him that I,

Speaker 1 yeah, same thing, same concept.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you just keep going, you know, it'll become normal for you to not eat candy. It'll be normal for you to eat healthy food.
It'll be what you crave.

Speaker 1 Lots of protein, lots of bone broth, kind of potatoes. Anything that we're doing, whether it's rice or bone broth, we're not doing a lot of it.
But when we do it, we're soaking it in bone broth,

Speaker 1 keeping it really clean protein style, kind of going low on fats to kind of let my liver kind of reset from just years of me eating foods, fatty foods, and shitty greasies. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So, just been kind of taking it slow, man. I'm enjoying it, though.
The cool thing is, he did Bilal Muhammad's weight cut. He's worked with DC.

Speaker 1 I found him from that world.

Speaker 1 So, he really gets it.

Speaker 2 That's a complicated science.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You get those guys like Bilal's way over 170. I don't know what he weighs, but I got to to guess he's close to 200 pounds.
Yeah. And he cuts down to 170 perfectly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ian does it every time. Said it's pretty effortless, man.
Ian says that out of everybody that Bilal is just

Speaker 1 insanely disciplined. Do you know what I mean? Like when he goes into camp, he's like a different dude.

Speaker 2 Well, that dude does, he's done camp in Ramadan. And, you know, you can't eat or drink anything during the daylight hours at Ramadan.

Speaker 2 So he would have to get up in the morning while it was dark out, have a morning breakfast, go to training, not eat anything.

Speaker 2 Do it to a day properly.

Speaker 1 And no water in your training.

Speaker 2 And then at the end of the day, then you get to eat.

Speaker 1 No, he's a machine. That dude is completely.

Speaker 2 That Leon Edwards fight was crazy.

Speaker 1 I get to see him tomorrow.

Speaker 2 He's a great guy, man. He's a great guy.
He really is. And the fact that he's that devout a Muslim that he prays five times a day, he doesn't fuck around.
He's really by the book.

Speaker 2 He doesn't even swear.

Speaker 1 No, he says fudge. Yeah.
What's your fudge? Jelly, jelly, jelly. What the fudge are you doing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 When are you coming to fudge in Chicago?

Speaker 1 It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 He's like this assassin.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get to see the two champs tomorrow.

Speaker 1 I'll get to see him and I'll get to see the Venezuelan Vixen. They're both coming.
So him and Juliana are coming out to the show.

Speaker 2 Chicago?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm super excited, man. Nice.
Album release night, Chicago, United Center, first time at the United Center. Nice.
Big, big deal for me.

Speaker 2 Chicago is always a great fucking town.

Speaker 1 What's the comedy club down there?

Speaker 2 Well, they have a few. They have, what do they have? Zaney's in Chicago.
They have another one in Rosemont.

Speaker 1 The Dorfman brothers don't have nothing to do with that one, though, do they? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know. They never know.
That doesn't make sense if they don't.

Speaker 1 Did you hear what they did to the Nashville Zane's? So, you know, Brian and them owned that building. And

Speaker 1 through the back bar, so, you know, Zaney's door is here, the front door, not the door we go through, the front door.

Speaker 1 Whatever that place was right here, he's turned that into a place called the Lab now. And it's like a 50-person smaller.
It would be like the little boy. Oh.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like the little boy. So he calls it the lab at Zane's now.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's super.

Speaker 1 It's really, really cool.

Speaker 2 They used to have a really good room at the improv in Hollywood. They called the lab.
And that's where Ari started This Is Not Happening, which became that Comedy Central show.

Speaker 2 You know, the storyteller show. That all started in that lab.
That was Ari's little baby that he created. And the old way the com the improv rather used to be set up was amazing.

Speaker 2 You have the big room, and then you have this tucked away small room in the back with a very small bar. But then they expanded it and made the bar bigger and made the stage by the door.

Speaker 2 They fucked the whole thing up. The whole thing's fucked now.
It used to be the stage was in the back. There wasn't a lot of noise in the room.
And then they turned it into a bar and fucked it up.

Speaker 2 But at that time, that was what it was called. It was called the lab.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, this place, they called the lab. It's beautiful.
Speaking of that show, God, I'd love to see that show back.

Speaker 1 That show was so good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know what happened with that?

Speaker 2 Do you know how it all went down?

Speaker 2 Ari

Speaker 2 got an offer from Netflix to do a special. You know, he actually filmed his special, and Comedy Central wanted it because he was on Comedy Central.
But Netflix was better for him.

Speaker 2 And they were pissed that he was going to do the special on Netflix, so they fired him.

Speaker 2 And he's like, he stuck to his guns. And then Roy Wood took over, and he did it for a while.
And that was the end of it. But that's why it was because Ari wouldn't listen to that.

Speaker 2 They were trying to force him into doing his special on Comedy Central. Wow.
Yeah. And he's like, no.
Like, I don't have a contract that I have to do it on Comedy Central.

Speaker 1 This is crazy.

Speaker 1 They didn't use the show.

Speaker 2 They did use the show.

Speaker 1 They fired him.

Speaker 2 They fired him.

Speaker 1 And not to say Roy Woods didn't do great with the show, but

Speaker 2 Roy Woods is great. I mean, Ari was happy that Roy Woods took over.
Because, first of all, Roy's hilarious. He's a great comic.

Speaker 2 But also, that meant all the people that were working on the show got to work Ari was going to take out a loan and he was going to pay all the people that all the camera people all the crew he's going to pay everybody their salary

Speaker 2 just because he felt bad he felt bad and he was like this is not I this is not what I want this is not my fault but they're forcing me into it and by principle I have I can't get just give in and say okay I'm going to do this at Comedy Central but just for just for just us having fun today purposes imagine if that show came back right now with a lot of it It could.

Speaker 1 It could come back right now. In the explosion that's happening right now.

Speaker 2 Well, Ari should do the show on Netflix.

Speaker 1 It's his show. I would.

Speaker 2 Now he calls it Ari Shafir's renamed storyteller show. I think that's what he calls it.

Speaker 2 He still does it.

Speaker 1 It's on Netflix now?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I said he should do it on Netflix.
But he'll still do live ones every now and then. He does live storyteller shows.

Speaker 1 No, he should do it, man. I think about guys like Brian.

Speaker 1 I would cry laughing to hear whatever his story was i think about the joey d as the mother mary story if you don't go into that you know like there are stories on there that yeah everybody's got good stories too people have stories of some fucking nutty thing that happened on the road or what have you no it's crazy i'd love to start seeing people in my genre try stuff like that more if they ever did it just try to like i'd love to hear you know jason aldeen tell a story you know what i mean if he really if he got with somebody backstage like one of the homies you know what i'm saying like if rosebud was back there with him and was like, all right, tell me your best story and I'll punch it up.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I think Jason Daldean would at least kill a six-minute story. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Everybody's got at least one good story.

Speaker 1 One that you could concoct to put it together the right way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that's probably the really is probably the oldest form of human entertainment.

Speaker 1 It's funny how I love when I love when anything you talk about has a theme. And this one has been storytelling.
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Speaker 1 It's all I ever wanted to do. Before I was writing songs, because I knew that music could be written that way, I would just write these kind of stories for my mother.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I would just try to, you know, the story. We've talked about it a lot, but it was a way to connect with her even before music.

Speaker 1 And then when I found out music was her shit, I was like, oh, this is the double connection. Like, oh, this is, I'm doubling down on this.
And I still to this day think I'm writing for my mama. Wow.

Speaker 1 Like, to this day, I'm still like, when I'm really finishing a song, I'm thinking to myself, I wonder what my mama would think about this, you know, in this really weird way.

Speaker 1 Like, first thought, like, I wonder if mama would like this, you know, or does this represent,

Speaker 1 and then the second thought is, all right, why does this song exist? That's always my second following thought. First of all, I was like, Will my mama dig it?

Speaker 1 And then the second is, you know what I mean? It's like, and the second is like, why does this exist, though? You know what I mean? What could it do? What purpose could it actually serve? Right.

Speaker 1 And if it's uh, it could be anything as much as it's just, you know, it just makes me happy, or it could make people happy, or it could make people move is enough of a reason.

Speaker 2 Out of these 100-plus songs that you've written recently, how many of them you think you'll ever record?

Speaker 1 I recorded probably 30-something of them. Wow.
I'm going to put out probably 28.

Speaker 1 And I think four or five will probably end up circulating next year through other artists. That'll just cut some of the songs.

Speaker 1 Because sometimes I'll write a song show, but I'm just not the vessel. And I know it when I'm writing it.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Do you hear it in a a different voice?

Speaker 1 Sometimes, sometimes, but sometimes you just know that it's like, I couldn't sing this with a certain amount of conviction. You know, like for me personally, you know, it's not that I couldn't,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 I don't know if this is a good comparison, but it'd be like, I could write a song about hating my wife, but I could never sing it. because I don't really hate my wife.
Right.

Speaker 1 I could never sing it with conviction. Now, as a songwriter, do I have the skill set to write a song about hating my wife? For sure.
But would I ever sing one and represent myself that way?

Speaker 1 And it's just not, I couldn't sing it with conviction. But there might be a guy in Nashville who just got his heart broke.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, Coulter Walls, Kate McCannon.

Speaker 2 That's the mother of all I hate my wife songs. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Insane. That's a crazy song.

Speaker 2 Well, the fact that that dude was 21 when he sang that, you're like, what?

Speaker 1 It sounds like he's 58.

Speaker 2 I believe in reincarnation.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, man.

Speaker 2 There's no other way. That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 And if his story couldn't get any cooler, it's that he just doesn't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 Don't give a fuck. Won't do podcasts.
For sure.

Speaker 1 I tried so hard. It's crazy.
It's crazy, dude. He told Post Malone, Post Malone hit him up, and Post was like, hey, man, I'd love to work.

Speaker 1 And pretty much he was like, yeah, if you ever want to come to the ranch, we can maybe write a song or something.

Speaker 1 He's like, Post is like, if you want to fly to the middle of Canada, we can write a song. But if you think I'm getting off this ranch to write with you, fuck no.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he really works on a ranch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's how Cody Johnson is, too, though. Cody Johnson flies out on the, he's a, I joke with him all the time.
I'm like, you're a cowboy that plays a country music singer on the weekends.

Speaker 1 You like, because, you know, I mean, he plays music for real, but he literally goes home and ranches Monday through Thursday.

Speaker 1 You'll FaceTime this dude, and he'll be out just in his ranch somewhere tagging cattle. That's amazing.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And then Friday night, he'll fly and go sell out, you know, two nights at the Staples Center for the night.

Speaker 2 I have not experienced any of that, but I swear to God, it's so, it resonates with you when you watch it on Yellowstone.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 you're like i want to live like that so mad i want to hang out with the horses it seems like a good time seems like everybody's all peaceful and we'll stay up and watch the rodeo late at night because pbr plays on uh you know tv or whatever and that dude i watch that stuff i don't know much about it but i i just can't quit watching i think it's the wildest ever yeah i watch it for bursts but then my knowledge of orthopedic surgeries that these people are going to be receiving and injuries and concussions like they just like you're like i gotta stop watching this i love watching stuff that doesn't seem real, though, right?

Speaker 1 Have you seen the

Speaker 1 is it JB Mooney? Is that how you say his name, or is it Money?

Speaker 2 It's Mooney, right? I think it's Mooney. Yeah.
Is it Money or Mooney? You got me thinking now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, me too. But he's that dude.

Speaker 2 He owns the cow that retired him. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 How cool is that? Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, but we're talking about a dude that, you know, with

Speaker 1 no helmet, cigarette lit in his mouth. Animal.
Like, oh, just when you look at

Speaker 1 animal.

Speaker 2 Those dudes riding bulls with no helmet on is the craziest fucking American thing that anyone's ever done.

Speaker 2 That is so dumb and so amazing at the same time.

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck are you doing? It is so American, dude. And they're especially when you had the cigarette.
You're just like, it almost looked like it was out of a movie.

Speaker 1 Like, somebody overcooked it.

Speaker 2 And at the end, those guys are always broken. Just everything's broken.

Speaker 2 We had a dude on Fear Factor that was a bull rider, and one of his arms, his shoulder, had like just giant scars all over the place. He said, yeah, like five or six shoulder reconstructions.

Speaker 2 It pops out sometimes. He has to pop it back in.
That is

Speaker 1 sick. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 All from riding a giant 2,000-pound animal that doesn't want you riding. It's horns.

Speaker 1 And when it gets you off of it and wants to hurt you, it's hard to get it.

Speaker 2 It wants to stomp you.

Speaker 1 It's pissed off. Yeah, man.
Fuck all that noise. I can't quit watching them, though.
I don't know why. I'm just so attracted.
I've always been a trap.

Speaker 1 I loved songs about rodeos, though, is what did it. We talked about this before, too.
There was 90s music had all these like old school, really cool rodeo records.

Speaker 1 And I feel like somewhere, it's kind of like everything goes in themes. And then country music went through, like, you know, the hunting and fishing era.

Speaker 1 But in the 70s, it was more of the storytelling era, like the poncho and lefty style stuff. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But to me, the 90s cowboy music was like still some of the best country music ever made.

Speaker 2 Bro, you know who's got the best rodeo song for my money? Zach Bryan. Open the Gate.
Oh,

Speaker 1 it's one of the best rodeo songs ever written. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 100%. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Meanwhile, I'm listening to him going, get off that bull.

Speaker 1 Don't go ride that bull. Don't do it.
Your dad's dead.

Speaker 2 Don't ride the same goddamn bull that killed your dad. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 You want to hear a cool rodeo story? Reba McIntyre got discovered at one. At a rodeo? You want to talk about a real cowgirl?

Speaker 1 Reba McIntyre was like Oklahoma or somewhere, and she would sing the national anthem at all the local rodeos because they knew she was a local singer, but she was a real cowboy.

Speaker 1 So one night she was singing. Oh, this is, you know, back in the day when it was old school, like a record exec discovered you.
Wow. You know what I I mean?

Speaker 1 And, like, flew you to Nashville and signed you to a record deal. That's a true story, though.
Reba was just, like, did it because she loved it.

Speaker 1 Like, like, if you were singing in church, she'd just, every weekend, they'd have the rodeo in town and she'd go sing the national anthem for them. Wow.

Speaker 2 How many people are like that out there? When you think about yourself becoming, like, artist of the year at 39,

Speaker 2 how many people are like that out there? They're just super talented. They just never get that crack.

Speaker 1 It's c it's man.

Speaker 2 There's a thing that's inside some people. There's a thing that's inside some people.

Speaker 2 And it's different in everybody. Like you're different, it's different than Coulter Wall's different, it's different than Reeba's different, different than Johnny Cash is different.

Speaker 2 Everybody's got that thing. Everybody's got a thing.
But there's so many people out there that we never get to see that thing.

Speaker 1 I wonder how much of it is the ones that just jump ship early too, though. They quit.

Speaker 1 A lot of people quit. It's hard.

Speaker 1 I think about

Speaker 1 doing something for 10 years to no avail

Speaker 1 is really, really hard, man.

Speaker 1 This is what I tell people. I was a desperate delusional dreamer, Joe.
And everything I regret, I did out of desperation. But I don't regret one thing I did as a delusional dreamer.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Because there was moments.

Speaker 1 I went to the juvenile yesterday in

Speaker 1 Columbus, Ohio. I went to go play cards with the kids and their units before my show.
I try to do stuff like that all the time. And we were all talking about

Speaker 1 you know, time, energy, stuff into this and songs. And I talked about writing 170 songs last year.

Speaker 1 And I was like, do y'all know that there were so many moments in my life where I, in hindsight, I'm glad nobody sat me down really, that I had to have looked fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 You know, that kid asked me, he said,

Speaker 1 when did you feel like you made it? I was like, I think that's why God kept blessing me is that me and DJ Highlight, that's my DJ's from Columbus, Ohio. He was there with me.

Speaker 1 We did the one o'clock slot at Rock on the Range 12 years ago. Right.
The festival, you know Rock on the Range, Jamie. This is a big deal of where Jamie's from.

Speaker 1 We played the fifth stage of five stages. So we played the smallest stage there 30 minutes after they opened the gates.

Speaker 1 Joe, we started drinking at 10 o'clock that morning because we were rock stars in our minds. We had made it.
There was, we were that delusional.

Speaker 1 We were backstage, full-blown, shooting shots and celebrating. There was 40 people there.
There was thousands of people just walking right past our stage to the stage they were going to.

Speaker 1 We didn't care. We had made it.
You know what I mean? Like, we've made. You're telling me we got $1,500 to do this? This is insane.
We have arrived.

Speaker 1 And I'd go home, my old beat-up band, and my whole neighborhood probably had to look at me like I was fucking nuts. You know what I'm saying? But nobody said nothing to me.

Speaker 1 I look like the crazy person, kind of, right? At this point, I'm in my early 30s, mid-30s, even, and they're like, all right, big guy.

Speaker 2 But you're at Rock on the Range.

Speaker 1 You actually are performing there.

Speaker 1 I think you're correct. Yeah.
I think you should be celebrating. Yeah.
You're supposed to be. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And when I told that kid that it was cool to see his face kind of light up, he was like, man, that's perspective. You know what I mean? I was like, dude,

Speaker 1 I would celebrating whenever I would get a clap in here when I was in juvenile. When we would have freestyle Fridays in juvenile.
And if I had, if I spit one line that got a ooh,

Speaker 1 man, I went to my cell, did push-ups, and started looking in the mirror differently. You know what I'm saying? I was like, it's fucking fixing to happen.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 You know, that kind of delusional, just celebrate every moment I had. I made a moment.

Speaker 2 What is this?

Speaker 1 This is the day. Look at you up there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is us. This is true story.

Speaker 1 Definitely. Rock on the range.
This is Rock on the Range, dude. This is 2017, probably.
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this was our second time. I think we've made it to the second stage by then.
Yeah, this is 16. Yep, this is the second time.

Speaker 2 It's weird doing shows when it's bright out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 I'm just getting used to doing shows when it's dark.

Speaker 1 I know. Shows when it's bright out are kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 Dude, it is unforgiving. Especially when you're, you know, you're trying to,

Speaker 1 you're working, you're trying to build something, you know, and you're looking out, and there's a lot of people that are coming to give you a chance,

Speaker 1 but they don't know anything about you.

Speaker 2 Well, the thing is, if you could figure it out, right? People figure out everything. They figure out how to write books.
They figure out how to play baseball.

Speaker 2 People figure it out, but not everybody figures it out. That's why it's so exciting when you do.
That's why it's so exciting when you make it.

Speaker 2 Because you know it's not just that a bunch of lucky things had to happen to you because they all do with all of us you there's a lot of good circumstances to happen your way just to keep you alive right you have to get lucky but then you also have to have that thing like what is that that thing inside you that you got to get out and you can figure out a way to get the best version of it and display it for people or you quit a lot of people quit man I tell you there's a line in a song Joe that

Speaker 1 It's an old song. It's called Just Breathe.
And she goes, the end of the song, she ends the song by going, 2 a.m. and I'm still awake writing this song.

Speaker 1 Because if I get it all out on paper, it's no longer inside of me, threatening the life it belongs to.

Speaker 1 I almost get emotional when I tell people that. Because to me, that is the greatest line ever written as to how I feel.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like

Speaker 1 this idea that I have to get this out of me. It's like, I don't,

Speaker 1 when I write, it's not like

Speaker 1 I have to.

Speaker 1 It's like a thing in me that's burning in me it's like i have to get this out of me brother i wake up out i wrote i wrote the somebody saved me on a sheet of paper out of a dead sleep really notebook side of the bed

Speaker 1 just like i wrote notes here with you and you'd say something that would inspire me one of these is a song title right here right now you said it earlier what tell you off tell you off tell you off camera okay just in case we got to negotiate a publishing thing

Speaker 1 i wrote a song on the album it didn't make the album but burt one night said something he was like yeah man this is where dreams go to die And he was talking about a bar he used to go to, where everybody would talk about what they would do, but never did.

Speaker 1 So he quit talking about what he was going to do. But what he doesn't know is I just quietly grabbed my phone and wrote, Dreams die here.
You know what I'm saying? I went and wrote the song.

Speaker 1 It sucked. I'm going to send it to him.
But I tried. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 He never maybe revisited in a year or two.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I connect with that in a way that's writing is

Speaker 1 an outlet for me. It always was.
It was always a way to express and to tell stories around me.

Speaker 2 It's also a connection to some strange realm where ideas come from.

Speaker 2 Ideas that come to you, they just come to you out of nowhere. They just feel like gifts.
They really do.

Speaker 2 Like when you're sitting in front of the computer and an idea just comes to you and you start writing it down, or when you wake up in the middle of the night, take a leak and you can't get this idea out of your head and you got to grab a notebook.

Speaker 2 Man, those things are gifts. They're gifts from the universe.

Speaker 1 You've had that happen too when you find yourself at the kitchen table at 3 a.m.

Speaker 2 The worst one is I try to convince myself that I'll remember it.

Speaker 1 Oh, and then you'll go back to sleep sleep and you'll blow up.

Speaker 2 Because I'm lazy. I'm like, you're going to remember.
Don't worry about it. You'll definitely remember that.

Speaker 1 You can't remember it.

Speaker 2 I remember like one of them ever.

Speaker 2 But I write them down now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do too. I got a small legal pad beside my bed, like the little one.
And I got one. This is a crazy place.
But I have one on top of my commode.

Speaker 1 That's a good place. So in case I'm going in there to pee or something and on the way there, just

Speaker 1 sometimes, too, I'll have to grab my phone and do melodies in the middle of the night because I have dreamed of melodies before. Like you hear it.
Like stone-cold melodies in my dreams.

Speaker 1 Like the Somebody Save Me melody was in my dream.

Speaker 1 The first words. The problem was me and D-Ray joke about it.

Speaker 1 It took us two hours to write the song that would have taken us 20 minutes to write because I was convinced somebody save me was supposed to be the chorus. Oh.

Speaker 2 Interesting.

Speaker 1 I know I'm weird when I talk about stuff like this, Joe, but this is how the universe works. I don't think I was wrong.

Speaker 1 Because when Eminem ended up taking taking that song, you know, Eminem redid that song? Oh. Yeah, you got to hear it.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 Eminem redid the song and he took the verse from somebody saved me the first verse and made it the chorus. Whoa.
So his version of it is he's rapping and then my first verse is the chorus.

Speaker 1 And then he raps again and my first verse is the chorus again. Wow.
So maybe I was kind of right. Wow.
And the groom, I kept going back to like, You should

Speaker 2 tell him, did you ever tell him that before you did that?

Speaker 1 Never even told him the story. Wow.
It gets, Joe, I'm fucking flipping. It gets even deeper, dog.
John Manealy, my manager, calls me and goes, he says, Paul Rosenberg just called me.

Speaker 1 That's M's manager. He says, I think Eminem wants to do something to save me.
I didn't

Speaker 1 ask John Manely right then, Joe. I said, man, I hope he takes the first verse and samples it.
That's all I said. And John said, whatever, I don't know what he wants to do with it.

Speaker 1 We just sent it over because, you know, Eminem is the greatest ever. You don't send them instructions or notes or ideas.
You know what I'm saying? You're just like, yo.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we didn't talk about that until we met. And he was just as whipped out, too, because the funny part about him was

Speaker 1 he was struggling with whether or not he was going to keep the original chorus and do somebody save me at the end or do somebody save me as the chorus and put the original chorus at the end.

Speaker 1 And he ended up doing somebody save me in the original chorus at the end. So he fought the battle the opposite of the way I fought it.

Speaker 1 It's crazy, right? How art works that way?

Speaker 2 It is crazy. It's crazy where those things come from, the muse, you know?

Speaker 2 You got to respect the muse, you know, and like I think when you're writing a lot like you are, like that muse is is like ready to go.

Speaker 2 Like, you're tuned into whatever that is that gives you those ideas for songs. You're just like searching for it, you're in the mode of searching for it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I'm always, it's like the never, yeah, you're right. I'm in that space.
I'm in my stride. I'm in my quest.
I'm looking for it at every angle right now. I'm like,

Speaker 1 I wrote a song, I wrote so many, it's talking about storytelling again. Sorry, I keep going here.
It's my fucking storytelling podcast.

Speaker 1 I probably have four songs on this podcast that I wrote, just very old storytelling, like the music I grew up loving, like how Willie Nelson would tell these stories of these characters.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it has been so

Speaker 1 talking about muses.

Speaker 1 I wasn't sure if I was going to tell this story, but I will.

Speaker 1 As a part of my journey, my mental health and with things I struggle with, I will pop into when I'm home NA or AA meetings, even though I still drink and smoke pot.

Speaker 1 I don't claim to be a part part of the program because I have so much respect for those who are sober, like can really live the clean, sober life by the program.

Speaker 1 But it's helped me so much not to go back to some of my demons. It's taught me about gratitude lists.
It's just helped me a lot. And I go to, you know, a few a year,

Speaker 1 never say nothing, just sitting back quietly. I'm just sitting there trying to learn, you know.

Speaker 1 Never went in there thinking like an artist, just kind of, just kind of going there thinking like an addict. So I just want to be an addict in here.
That's why I don't talk.

Speaker 1 And I watched a man having a breakdown in in there. And this happens.
You know what I mean? People are coming in here.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's an AA meeting, right?

Speaker 1 And he's shaking. And at the end, they go, does anybody want to get a 24-hour chip or a desire to change? And the guy said, I drank this morning, but I do have a desire.

Speaker 1 And he was already shaking where he hadn't drank in five, six hours. And

Speaker 1 the guy goes, old head walks over. Most gangster shit I've ever seen, puts his arm around him and says, it's all right, baby.
None of us came in here on a winning streak.

Speaker 1 Dude, I was like, I had no intention of going to this meeting. The only reason I even went, believe it or not, wasn't because I was having a craving even.

Speaker 1 I had an hour to kill on the way to a writing session.

Speaker 1 And I was like, well, fuck, if I could either spend this hour scrolling on fucking TikTok and thinking about how fucking Ukraine's going to kill us, or,

Speaker 1 you know what I mean? Yeah. And I went into the meeting and I left and I walked in the writer's room and it was like, you know, it's fun when we write together because everybody's got an idea.

Speaker 1 I said, boys, I don't know if this is the idea, but I want to tell you what just happened to to me. I just seen one of the most beautiful acts of humanity I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Just the money, because this guy's shaking, he's crying, and this dude's walking. I'm getting emotional because I'm watching it.
The whole room's getting emotional.

Speaker 1 This dude, just super cool, just kind of walks over to look like a, almost like, I've seen this before.

Speaker 1 He was the only one that, all of us were sad. This dude was happy.
He walked over with a smile like he'd seen it. He was like, oh, don't worry, baby.
Nobody comes in here on a winning streak.

Speaker 1 And so I did some, I went back to the meeting a week later while

Speaker 1 we started the song. The guy ended up being like 25, 30 years clean.
They came in to help the other guy. Wow.
So we wrote the song. It's called Winning Streak.

Speaker 1 It's fucking, I've sung it on Saturday Night Live. Wow.

Speaker 1 It was cool. It's not even out yet.
It'll be out on the album today.

Speaker 2 Imagine if you didn't walk into that place.

Speaker 1 Imagine if you didn't walk into that place, right? Yeah. Just old church basement.

Speaker 2 How much time have you lost on your phone where you could have been walking into a place, talking to people?

Speaker 1 And getting Winning Streak. You know what I mean? It's like just, you know.

Speaker 2 Especially as an artist that deals in, you know, to say it again, stories. Yeah.
And just,

Speaker 2 you know, you find things out about people when you see them interact with each other, and sometimes it just

Speaker 2 lights a spark. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just, man, you, um,

Speaker 1 yeah, anytime I see anything that makes me feel something, I feel the need to try to write it.

Speaker 1 Whether it makes me happy or sad or, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 If you really think about like old school rock and roll, like you think of like classic rock, there's great songs, but then there's these these story songs you know

Speaker 2 like shooting star that bad company song you know johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first beetle song

Speaker 2 that's one of those songs that like everybody listens to the words you know you get you just get caught up in the story

Speaker 2 there's a difference between that and you know Just fun story fun songs. There's fun songs back and black, you know? Fun.
It's not like a story, like an emotional story that that gets you.

Speaker 2 There's some of those songs, you know? American Pie.

Speaker 1 American Pie.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I listen to it once a week in the Cold Punch because the original version is like seven minutes. Yeah.
So if I start it while I'm getting into my skibbies,

Speaker 1 song's over, I get out of the cold punch.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's that song.

Speaker 1 Dude.

Speaker 2 How about James Taylor? I've Seen Fire and I've Seen Rain.

Speaker 1 The greatest song ever written, Joe.

Speaker 1 The greatest song ever written.

Speaker 2 Don't listen to that song when you're sad.

Speaker 1 Dog,

Speaker 1 I'll cry if I'm happy, Bubba.

Speaker 2 Bro, that song will get you.

Speaker 1 Every time.

Speaker 2 That song will get you. And that's a story, too.
And that motherfucker had a voice.

Speaker 1 Man, he had a voice.

Speaker 2 What a special voice.

Speaker 1 And it was so effortless, Joe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When he opened his mouth, it was almost like he was just talking to you like me and you, but he would sing like an angel.

Speaker 1 And you know, he was self-taught guitarist, so he plays like shapes and chords that don't really technically exist.

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He literally, because he self-taught himself, they'd be like, well, that's kind of a,

Speaker 1 it looks like a G, but you're doing this and not that. It's like, it was crazy.

Speaker 2 He's authentic.

Speaker 1 My father,

Speaker 1 who I named Buddies after in my bar, was a, we were driving down to Gulf Shores, Alabama one time. And

Speaker 1 I was a kid. And we started listening to Fire and Rain.

Speaker 1 And he starts, my family would tell these stories about music.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it was, but before they would play a song, it was like they would take, and I'm like this to this day, I would take great pride in being like, oh, I'm fixing to show you something.

Speaker 1 So I'd give you the setup, you know?

Speaker 1 So my dad goes, I'm not going to set this song up. I'm going to tell you about it afterwards.
We're going to listen to it again.

Speaker 1 There he goes.

Speaker 2 Give me it from the beginning, Jamie.

Speaker 2 This motherfucker.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 look at him all his long hair.

Speaker 2 That was before he went bald. When he went bald, he said, fuck it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That was hey, Mr.
Jukebox, James.

Speaker 1 Susie.

Speaker 2 Bro, that guy could not have a fly swatter big enough to swap those panties that were flying in him.

Speaker 1 What? He could not.

Speaker 1 Just whack at every corner, dude.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. And listen.
Voice like an angel. Sensitive.

Speaker 1 And hot take, he was married to a woman that is arguably a better songwriter than him. Carly Simon.
Carly Simon was so beautiful.

Speaker 2 God, when she was young, she's like one of the most beautiful women that's ever lived.

Speaker 1 I love that none of that mattered to him, though. Watch this.
But I always thought that I'd see you again.

Speaker 1 So my dad tells me this story, Joe.

Speaker 1 And we are riding down I-65. I've only seen my father cry three times.

Speaker 1 Keep that word,

Speaker 1 yeah. And we are crying, we are going down I-65

Speaker 1 and we are squalling.

Speaker 1 I mean, like two children, Joe,

Speaker 2 just authentic, you know what I mean? There's no bullshit in this song.

Speaker 1 The third verse when he goes,

Speaker 1 Yeah, you gotta let this rip in.

Speaker 1 It's a core memory I'll have forever, though.

Speaker 1 Now watch this. To me, this is some of the best the whole song, but right here.

Speaker 1 I've been walking my mind to an easy time with my back turned towards the sun.

Speaker 1 So so simple, but real.

Speaker 1 There's always a time on the telephone line to talk about things to come.

Speaker 1 Sweet dreams and fine machines in pieces on the ground.

Speaker 1 Well, now I've seen fire and I've seen rain.

Speaker 1 I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end. Now, watch him take it up right here.

Speaker 1 I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend.

Speaker 1 But I always thought that I'd see you somehow one more

Speaker 1 time again. Now

Speaker 1 I thought I'd see you one more time again.

Speaker 1 There's just a few things coming my way this time around.

Speaker 1 Oh, now I thought I'd see you. I thought I'd see you fire me.

Speaker 1 La da da da da da da da da da da da da.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 So good.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 2 What a team, him and Carly's hunt.

Speaker 1 Think about that.

Speaker 1 What was

Speaker 2 vain?

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness. Pull that shit up.

Speaker 2 Give me a You're So

Speaker 2 and seeing her sing it with that bass. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 God.

Speaker 2 God. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 He toured with Carol King forever, right?

Speaker 1 Do they ever have a relationship? Hopefully.

Speaker 1 Right? She's talking about another great songwriter. God, dude.
Here we go.

Speaker 2 While she's playing the piano, son.

Speaker 2 With her hair blowing.

Speaker 1 So 80s.

Speaker 2 In the wind.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 you watched yourself walk out,

Speaker 1 and all the girls dream the best. This pre-chorus is crazy.

Speaker 1 They'd be your partner, and

Speaker 1 you're so vain.

Speaker 1 I'd rather think this song is about you.

Speaker 1 You're so vain.

Speaker 1 I bet you think this song is about

Speaker 2 But hold on, hold on. Because if the song was about him, he's right.
Yeah, right?

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 2 You know, Warren Beatty was listening to that song going, I think this song's about me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I knew I was him.

Speaker 1 And that's live back when they were like, you know, that was live, live.

Speaker 2 That might be one of the first diss songs. Right?

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 2 I think that's the first diss charger.

Speaker 1 Hold on, hold on. When was the song put out?

Speaker 2 I was about to say, is it officially about Warren Beatty? I thought rumors that it was about James Taylor, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? I thought it's unconfirmed who it's written about. She dared to talk about the king that way.

Speaker 2 You know what, man? It wouldn't shock you, right? If you found out that the guy was like the sweetheart, super nice guy was actually a fucking psycho.

Speaker 1 Dude, I've had talking about James Taylor. I've had fans come up to me and they would be crying.
And they go, I'm so sorry I'm crying. And every time I tell them the same thing, I say, don't worry.

Speaker 1 If I ever meet James Taylor, I'm going to cry. For sure.
I know it. So I'd be like, 100%, I'm going to cry.

Speaker 2 Ever since the singer released her accusatory track in in 1972, the identity of you has remained one of the greatest mysteries in music history. But she did date Warren Beatty, right?

Speaker 1 It came out in 72?

Speaker 1 When did Sweet Home Alabama come out?

Speaker 1 Look at all the possibilities.

Speaker 2 Warren Beatty. Michael Crichton.
Michael Crichton.

Speaker 2 Jack Nicholson, Cat Stevens, Chase Taylor, or John Travolta. Even rumored flings with Sean Connery.
Marvin Gaye.

Speaker 1 Marvin Gaye.

Speaker 1 Mick Jagger.

Speaker 2 Possibility of Mick Jagger.

Speaker 1 I bet Marvin Gaygay.

Speaker 1 with that. That lady got around.

Speaker 1 She got around with all the talented motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 She got around. I bet Marvin Gaye was a monster.
Oh, my God. I'm just fucking.
When did Sweet Home Alabama come out? So, you know, Sweet Home Alabama was a clapback track. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was in the diss world, too. So I think it was right around that early 70s era, too.

Speaker 1 74.

Speaker 1 Oh, so it was after that. Year Sylvain came out before it.
Yeah. But when did Southern Man come out?

Speaker 1 probably the same time, right? It was just a year before.

Speaker 2 So that was 1970?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, no, it's a few years before.

Speaker 2 So they wrote it about Southern Man.

Speaker 1 Is that what they wrote it about? Yeah. Yeah, the idea was, and Neil Young was speaking a lot about what was happening down there in the South at the time.
And

Speaker 1 Ronnie's position was just simply like, hey, man, we stay the fuck out of your business. Stay out of ours.
Yeah. You know, a southern man don't need him around anyhow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, it's kind of how he came back up. What a banger of a southern person.
What a banger. What a diss.
Banger. You're talking about it.
That is a great. Sweet home.

Speaker 2 Give me some of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, please.

Speaker 1 Damn, that's a good song.

Speaker 2 I mean, all respect to Neil Young. That's better than anything he's ever done.
No, no.

Speaker 1 Neil Young Apologized Later. It was really cool.
He owned it. He publicly said Ronnie was right.
Well, you know, something.

Speaker 2 Neil Young, his name checked and dissed. Yeah, I don't think they thought about it that way back then.
It reached number eight in the Billboard Hot One. Give me some Sweet Home Alabama.

Speaker 2 That's a song that you hear in the bar and the first couple of chords play, and you go, Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You just immediately stand up. You're like, Oh, we're finna party.

Speaker 2 Oh, baby.

Speaker 1 And I'm I hate to be this guy, but I immediately look around and I'm like, Everybody in here who doesn't know this song,

Speaker 1 I don't know that we can be friends.

Speaker 1 You can't at least sing the chords, or if you don't go, dirt, dirt, dinner, dirt, dirt, dinner.

Speaker 2 This might be one of the most recognizable songs ever.

Speaker 1 This is gonna be a live video, too.

Speaker 2 You just have to go for the live one, especially this one. Still,

Speaker 2 I love it.

Speaker 2 Once again, look at these bad motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 Oh, they were so funny. You want to talk about people that couldn't get the pussy away from them.

Speaker 1 And they're from Florida.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh no, that's Johnny.

Speaker 1 Once again, how great Gary Rossington was.

Speaker 1 To me, he's the greatest guitarist that ever lived,

Speaker 1 up there with Hendrickson. Now, he's on Mount Rushmore Guitarist.

Speaker 1 Because I can't name another guitarist, Clapton, of course, that has more riffs that you want to go, you want to hum.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Right? Because like

Speaker 2 yo, the free bird solo.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? Dude.

Speaker 1 Give me three steps. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like you can, there has not been that since, if you ask me. You know what I mean? Like Hilm, Clapton, Hendrix, like they had those kind of guitars.

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Speaker 1 This was different because it was riffs. Right.
It wasn't like a solo. They were singing over these riffs.
Right. And the riffs were bigger than the melodies sometimes.

Speaker 1 They captured you. If you tell somebody right now, like, have you ever heard the song Sweet Home Alabama? And they go, how's it go? You wouldn't go sweet.
You'd go dirt, dirt, dinner,

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy. That's how good Gary was, man.
That solo in Freebird is insane. Oh, it is, it's the best solo ever.
Ever.

Speaker 2 It's hard to say because of Hendrix and Steve Rayvon and a bunch of other people, Eddie Van Halen, but that solo was the same every time they did it.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 the story about Sweet Home, Alabama. Um,

Speaker 1 they're sitting at a sound check, and it's just Ronnie and Gary. And Gary's holding electric, and he goes, Man, I got this.
I just don't know what to do with it. It's bam, burnt burnt

Speaker 1 and ronnie goes well hell just keep playing it let me with it so they just looped that and that's how they wrote the song just them doing it yeah dude i'm so i'm such a i have like

Speaker 1 Skinner to me is like Jesus. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 I'm a giant Skinner fan. And you know what I love about Skinner too? They came out of Florida.
Like, who would have seen that?

Speaker 1 No, dude, Jacksonville. Who would have saw that? Straight out of Jacksonville.
Jacksonville, Florida. What?

Speaker 2 Jacksonville's not going to make any amazing bands.

Speaker 1 Dude.

Speaker 2 How's this band come out of Jacksonville? And every song is about running away from girls.

Speaker 1 I got to go, ladies.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got to be free.

Speaker 1 22 steps. I love you, but I got to go.
It's crazy. You know what I'm saying? I got to go.

Speaker 1 I got to go. Oh, dude, they were the best, man.

Speaker 1 When Gary's family gave me that guitar after he passed away, it still is up there with like my top probably 10 possessions that I've ever been gifted. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I have it in my studio now, and I hung it in a case with the note that his family wrote me with the picture that we took the night he played the guitar. And I put a lock on the case.

Speaker 1 Instead of just casing it forever, I put a lock on it so I can still play it. So when we do the album, there's a couple of tracks that we played a Gary Rossington guitar on.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Because it was a Gary Rossington played guitar. Wow.
And his family, the estate gave it to me right after he passed it.

Speaker 2 Does it sound different?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it's an old Les Paul, and it's older, so it's got a different pickup on it. So it's got some different tunes and textures to it.

Speaker 2 What's the difference between the older pickups and the newer ones?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm not as educated in it as most real guitarists.
I'm a campfire guitarist. But it's, you know, over the years, they always found different ways to make them.

Speaker 1 So as they were improving them, but the sounds and textures were getting different.

Speaker 1 But I forgot exactly what he does because he takes a pickup from another guitar and puts it in, too, I think, into most of his guitars.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of real guitarists that'll like, they'll want to play this guitar, but they'll want to put this from this guitar on this guitar. Because that's their shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because they like the way, well, I like the pickup on this, or I like this and this, or I like the way this, you know, whatever. Makes sense.

Speaker 1 And then they'll have a kind of hodgepodge like that. But you know something else? When Gary survived that plane crash, let's think about him playing guitar.

Speaker 1 He had a rod that went from right here, Joe, to his elbow. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And still played the guitar that way. So if you ever watched Gary play the guitar, he always kind of played it high like Charlie Crockett.

Speaker 1 But it was, or down here like this because he couldn't full-blown get full extension on the wrist. Yeah.
So he was playing all those

Speaker 1 from 70, whatever the 70. When was the plane crash?

Speaker 1 Jamie, you know?

Speaker 1 I figured you might know off the top by. How many people died in the crash? I know Ronnie did for sure.
I think it was two or three.

Speaker 2 Wasn't Ronnie standing up?

Speaker 1 It was in 77.

Speaker 1 So that video you just showed might have been one of Ronnie's last performances.

Speaker 2 He was standing up when the plane crashed, right? He wouldn't sit down. He was drinking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were just partying. They were just Leonard Skinner, dude.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 If he sat down and put a seatbelt on, he might still be here.

Speaker 1 It's crazy, dude.

Speaker 1 It is is crazy, man.

Speaker 1 God damn.

Speaker 1 You said it was 77?

Speaker 2 Three days after their fifth album was released. Yeah.
Street Survivors.

Speaker 1 Wow. Just totally different, man.

Speaker 1 I've gotten so far into there. We've been covering Skinner on the road for years and years anyways.
That's probably not a Skinner song I can't play. You know, right?

Speaker 1 If we were to go to a bar tonight, you could probably just randomly pick a Skinnerd song, and I'd go up there and be able to just kill. Just love Skinner, dude.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 They were awesome, man. They were gone too quick.

Speaker 1 And I know they toured after Ronnie died, but it wasn't the same. You know, the reason they still tour.
And one thing I don't, as a Dow Hard fan, I don't object to it a lot.

Speaker 1 Now that Gary's gone, it's a little rougher because he was the last living one. But Johnny Van Zandt,

Speaker 1 how are him and Ronnie Keene? I always confuse it. They're cousins, right? Are they brothers? Because remember, the three Van Zandts, do you want to talk about a family, Joe?

Speaker 1 Ronnie Van Zandt created Leonard Skinner, was the first lead singer. Johnny Van Zandt took his pot when he died, and the other Van Zandt brothers, the lead singer of 38 Special.
Crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's the younger brother. So his younger brother took right over.

Speaker 1 And like I tell people, is there's the average Leonard Skynyrd fan that's not like me and you, like obsessed with him to a degree, they don't know anybody other than him to be their singer.

Speaker 1 Because he's been their singer 40 for four years longer than Ronnie was. That band was only been out for four years when Ronnie died.

Speaker 2 Right. You know what I mean? So it's like an AC DC type thing.

Speaker 1 Exactly. You know what I mean? So it's like, and the fact that it's a true Van Zandt, and Johnny's still the lead man to this day.

Speaker 1 So when I go see him, I still feel like I'm watching Ronnie a little bit. Looks just like him, still got the same long hair.
He's Johnny Van Zandt, dude. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Ronnie was a fucking psycho, though.

Speaker 1 No, that's the difference. Johnny's like a really, really calm, cool man of guy.
He's also older now. You know, these dudes are all.

Speaker 1 Ricky Medlock and them, he was with the original group, too, pretty much. He's still there.
Them dudes are all in their 70s.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and they're nuts, too, because when we were kids, we never thought that rock stars would be touring in their 70s.

Speaker 1 They're going to come out for my Jacksonville show. They came and sung with me last time.
Yep. That's amazing.
Johnny and Ricky always come out and sing, man. They're fun.
That's awesome. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 It never gets any dude.

Speaker 2 Dude, look at you. You're living the life.

Speaker 1 It's fucking weird, dude. You're living the life.
It's the shit we grew up listening to. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 It's weird when you meet people that were real famous when you were a kid. That, to me, is always going to be the weirdest one.
It's the one.

Speaker 1 Stephen Tyler,

Speaker 2 meeting that dude, meeting people like that. It's just like,

Speaker 2 you just feel weirded out. When I met Tarantino, I was like, oh, dude.

Speaker 1 This is weird.

Speaker 2 Yeah, especially. This is weird.

Speaker 1 Especially people you watched back in your childhood.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Out of all the comedians I met, the only one I've probably ever been, made an ass of myself to is Ron White because I literally have watched him since I was a teenager because he was such a voice for.

Speaker 1 I don't want this to come off disrespectful, but being from the South in my household, we thought Jeff foxworthy was incredibly funny we liked his books more than his comedy though because we felt like his comedy almost felt a little forced to us as southern people it just didn't sit right as you know in my household in what way um in this way of like there's

Speaker 1 might be a redneck yeah yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean if you family tree does not fork it was hilarious about it we know all the books we religiously but when we're watching the blue collar special as a family and i know this wasn't the way to watch it in hindsight we're all waiting on ron you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Because, like,

Speaker 1 he's he's the voice of our household, but I'm also in a household full of drunks, by the way. My father's a raging alcoholic, my mother does drugs, all my brothers do drugs.

Speaker 1 But it was like, you know, we loved, we'd love Jeff, we love,

Speaker 1 we love Bill, Larry the cable guy, but man, when we just, Ron was our, you know, he just spoke to what our household was doing. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So when I met him, it was kind of like, man, I got to tell my fucking mama.

Speaker 2 Well, when he first started hanging out at the store, Bell, like, I guess it was about 10 years ago,

Speaker 2 He never had a club like that before where it was like a home base.

Speaker 2 He was always a successful touring comedian, so he'd bring guys to open up for him on the road, but it was basically the Ron White Show. And then he started hanging out with us at the store.

Speaker 2 And he was like, man, this is what I've been missing.

Speaker 2 I've been missing a real camaraderie, like the base, the home base where everybody goes and just hangs out.

Speaker 2 Makes all the difference in the world.

Speaker 1 It is. No, well, iron sharpens iron, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 When you're in Nashville, too, I mean, think about how many different amazing artists there are that you go see live in Nashville just fucking around on a regular night.

Speaker 1 For sure. Dirks Bentley goes and plays this like

Speaker 1 with his bluegrass band, like a 200-person bar every week.

Speaker 2 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 You know, like his little sub-version of a bluegrass band.

Speaker 1 That's how I feel about our songwriting community, too. I've written in L.A.
and I've had big songs come out of L.A., but Nashville is just, man, it's the killers. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's the dudes that are just,

Speaker 1 the dudes and girls down there that are in those rooms every day are snipers.

Speaker 2 They've been doing it forever.

Speaker 2 It's the same thing like you doing all those shows. It's the same thing like them writing.

Speaker 1 You just get real good at your fucking show. For sure.
And you get to know how to pivot.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, that's something else that comes with being on that stage a bunch.

Speaker 1 is like the more you do it the more circumstances you've been up against nothing starts to scare you no more right like even if i walk out to a crowd like if i'm opening for somebody still and i walk out and I'm like, ah, I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to really work for this one.

Speaker 1 I'm not panicked.

Speaker 1 I've done it enough now. I'll even watch some guys in my band get a little panicked.
We'll be on the second song and you'll see them going like, why are they not just so excited we're here?

Speaker 1 I'm like, just relax. It's okay.
We're going to get there. You know what I'm saying? Let's just have fun.

Speaker 2 The hardest spot is opening on a comedy show. It's brutal.
I tell every comedian that opens for me, this is like running what weights on.

Speaker 1 Don't talk about like the one of three, not the feature slot, the number of three. First guy.

Speaker 2 First guy on stage. That's the hardest gig.
And it's the gig for the guys that are the youngest.

Speaker 1 that are the learners.

Speaker 2 They're learning it. They don't really know how to do it yet.

Speaker 1 And you're kind of responsible for getting the first laugh of the night.

Speaker 2 You are 100% responsible for that.

Speaker 1 Man, you got to break the room. Yeah.
You got to break the room.

Speaker 2 Hans Kim was like our best opener because Hans Kim has structure. All his jokes have structure.
So he puts you in this mode of laughing at ridiculous shit.

Speaker 2 And he puts you in this, like, it's like a very structured set. So it gets people into like the hypnosis of comedy.
Right. You get locked into laughing.

Speaker 2 And then boom, next comedian goes up, and the bar is already set. You're already loose, and everybody's running.
But that first spot, man, you got to like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, same with us.

Speaker 1 If you're one of three, Alexander Kay is doing it on this tour, and she's killing it.

Speaker 1 But it is a rough one because you've one, you've got your fans that knew you were one of three, and they showed up early. So that's the only thing you have to advantage.

Speaker 1 The rest of it is people literally walking in with popcorn and beer in their hand, wondering why the show's already started. You know what I mean? Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 You know, I've had, I tell people all the time, you're not going to be a good performer until you performed in a place where people looked at you like you were interrupting them. Right.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? You ever been in a place where you're like, hey, I'm sorry I'm bothering y'all by playing loud music up here. You fucking knew you were coming to a bar, bitch.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? It's just, you know. But those are the funnest too, though.
I got to open up for Morgan Wallen this year a few times.

Speaker 1 And it was really fun because in the last few years, we've just been headlining.

Speaker 1 We haven't got to really, you know, go out and do something that was so much dramatically bigger than us that it made sense for us to do it. And I love Morgan.
So I was like, I'm in. And

Speaker 1 we went out there and it was cool because you feel it immediately.

Speaker 1 You're like, even with the hits I have, you know, there's 70,000 people here that bought a ticket to see Morgan Waller for they knew my name was on the bill. Right.

Speaker 1 You know, so there's a lot of people here that are with me, but I'm still having to tell you, I'm still up here like, oh, okay, tonight. You know,

Speaker 1 I see there's three scenarios in my business. And I don't know if this is probably different for y'alls, but in mine, my three scenarios are this.
One is the you're welcome, we're here, right?

Speaker 1 Which is the simple like, thank y'all.

Speaker 1 We thank each other. You came to see me.
I'm going to give you a great show. Thank you.
It's the easy one, right?

Speaker 1 The other one is the, thank you for listening. I appreciate that you gave me enough respect that you sat here and listened to me.
And the third one is the one that makes me in.

Speaker 1 It's the, hey, motherfucker, I'm singing. Yeah.
And you have to go through. a couple hundred of those before you get good.
You know what I mean? Like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 And that's what's been so about like the TikTok explosion is you have these kids that'll have this big hit joke and they'll have five or six hits in a row and they can start selling 2,000 seats at a theater overnight.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like the podcasters that have a quick, quick flip and they go to the comedy clubs on a Friday, but can't make nobody laugh or stay.

Speaker 1 These kids go straight into 2,000 seat rooms and then stand up there like, I've never done a fucking show. I've never stood in front of anybody.

Speaker 1 Imagine getting a big TikTok hit joke, never doing a show in your life and showing up. You know what I mean? Or imagine it's even worse.
They put you on an opening tour for somebody.

Speaker 1 They're like, we got an amphitheater act that'll let you be two of four. This will be great.
And you're going out there looking at 6,000 people. Oh, my God.
You've never stood up in a bar.

Speaker 1 I'm watching it happen to people all the time. I'm having to grab these kids and kind of mentor them now.
And it's the flip side of it where, like, booking agents are dragging them to the slaughter.

Speaker 2 Of course. Because they just want to make money.

Speaker 1 They don't give a fuck. And here's the problem.
Imagine you're a kid. You're 20 years old, 22 years old.
You've got a big, successful record, and you're going to meet booking agents. You're excited.

Speaker 1 I've been there.

Speaker 1 And the first one's like, we're going to put you right in 2,000 seat rooms. You're going to get $22,000 a night.
You're like, whoa, what? A night? And we're going to do it three nights every weekend.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I'm rich.
I'm buying a coach. That's fucking it.
Immediately. And then you go to the next booking agent.
They're like, now hear me out. My plan is.

Speaker 1 For you to go play these 200 cap rooms like the Hi-Fi in Indianapolis, the end in Nashville. We're going to go do that for six months.
We're going to get like 40 shows under your belt.

Speaker 1 You'll get like $1,300 a night, $1,200 a night. And they're like, fuck you.
The other guy just said, I'm getting $25,000 a night immediately.

Speaker 1 But this guy actually knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? This guy actually is doing it right, but he always go back to the money.

Speaker 1 And then they end up having to circle back and they got to refigure it out anyway. I tell people all the time, you might be able to skip the line a little bit, but you can't cheat the game.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? You had to put them hours in one way or the other, Bubba.

Speaker 2 It's the same thing with fighters.

Speaker 2 You know, I see fighters that come out and they compete in the UFC and like their first fight, they look fantastic and they're fast-tracked.

Speaker 2 And sometimes guys get broken because they meet top-flight competition before they're really ready.

Speaker 2 They're really like an up-and-coming fighter honing their skills and they run into a Wiley veteran who's like a top 15 guy and they get fucked up and they're kind of never the same.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because they really shouldn't have been fighting that guy. Whereas boxing is a lot more clever.

Speaker 2 If they have a guy who's like a Terrence Crawford or someone's a really good fighter, they'll match them up correctly until they can make the big money and until their skills skills are at a very very high level and then they start challenging for a world title.

Speaker 2 But they prepare them. They get them.
They put them through.

Speaker 2 The thing about the UFC is sometimes you just get thrown right to the wolves. And if you're John Jones, that's fine.

Speaker 2 You know, John Jones wins the title at 22.

Speaker 2 But most guys are not John Jones. Most guys could be like an elite fighter, but the circumstances just

Speaker 2 derail them before they ever get there.

Speaker 1 It burn them too early, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they burn them too early.

Speaker 1 You know, and it's like

Speaker 1 the perfect example of this in the USC to me is one guy could be Sugar Sean, who went on to be that guy, right, immediately. I know he just had his loss, but I mean, he still looks like Sugar to me.

Speaker 1 You know, that kid's tough. And the other one could be that kid that we all love, but

Speaker 1 I always confuse it. Was it Hooper or Hopper?

Speaker 1 The 19-year-old kid. He had a Sugar Sean kind of thing going.

Speaker 1 He was a contender series guy, too. Chase Hooper.
Tooper. That was him.

Speaker 1 And to me, that's kind of the tale of the same kid. You know what I mean? Where it's like for Sugar, it kind of work.
But I tell, this is what I tell my people. Chase still has a shot.

Speaker 2 He's still super talented. He just had to really get better at striking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's just young and has to get served. He got a lot better.

Speaker 2 He got a lot better at everything. He's really good on the ground.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, the kid is great.

Speaker 2 He also went up to 55, which I think was big because

Speaker 2 he was killing himself.

Speaker 1 Good. Yeah, no, you could tell it was a big weight, especially for such a kid.
His frames,

Speaker 1 they're kids.

Speaker 1 I think we still haven't seen what Sean's real man body is going to look like yet completely. He's just

Speaker 1 30.

Speaker 2 is he 30 now okay so we see him but but they say it's 25 or 26 now before you actually see a full development well you definitely see some of these guys that are coming in that are 22 that are still growing they're still getting bigger like raul rosas jr he's 19 years old and that kid's still growing every time you see him he looks more muscular more jacked you know he's still in his prime i mean not even close to his prime he's just still growing up yeah there's still um that's a yeah that's a that's a there's a growing thing that's

Speaker 1 yeah i guess it's different too, man. I'm thinking about that kid like Chase is that getting put into that national spotlight at the biggest fighting organization in the world at 19.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And you're like,

Speaker 1 Tavondre Sweat is the defensive end for the Tennessee Titans. I'm a huge Titans fan.
He was our

Speaker 1 first-round pick this year, defensive end.

Speaker 1 I went to go hang out with him because I just think he's great. I think he's going to be a superstar.
He's 22 years old. He's probably 6'5 ⁇ , 300-something pounds.

Speaker 1 And he can't grow a full beard yet. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Like, it's still, it's patchy.
You know how it is when you're in your early 20s? It's still patchy.

Speaker 1 And I'm looking like, and I'm looking at Jeffrey Simmons, who's our veteran defensive end, who's 6'6, just cut like a, and I was like,

Speaker 1 oh, that's where you're going to be at in four years, three years. You know what I mean? Because we picked up Jeffrey Simmons as a rookie, too.

Speaker 1 It's like, even at 22 years old, they haven't fully developed in yet. You know, that dude, I'm looking at Devondre Sweat right now, and I'm like, you still got a baby face.

Speaker 1 Like you still got a, you know what I mean? Look at Big Baby. Look at Babyface Sweat.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But you see this face of him right here? That's all you need to know about his personality.

Speaker 1 That's who he is as a human. He's the sweetest dude ever.
But you can still tell by the look of his face. You know what I mean? That face is going to slim down and get a little more.

Speaker 2 That's the craziest job.

Speaker 2 Being a pro football player is the craziest job. It's because you're literally in a car wreck every day.

Speaker 1 Especially guys for their position. They're in a car wreck every play.
Yeah. I think about this, offensive lineman, defensive lineman, guaranteed full contact every snap.
100%

Speaker 1 every time we snap the ball because like the wide receivers, they're going to hand fight backfield.

Speaker 1 There's going to be some action, but not full contact every play.

Speaker 1 Every single play, as soon as they say, huh? These two linemen are fucking collision coursing.

Speaker 1 And they're both hitting each other with the intention of trying to knock the other one down first, right? The goal is like, if I could hit you and knock you you down, I'd go right past you.

Speaker 1 After that, I just got to fight my way.

Speaker 2 I mean, they're all 300-plus pounds of solid muscle.

Speaker 1 Huge. Full-blown athletes their whole life have been playing since they were eight.

Speaker 1 They're all colliding with each other.

Speaker 2 And that's the American sport.

Speaker 1 It's a total. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I mean, in full speed.

Speaker 2 Isn't it kind of crazy that that is the American sport? I mean, what other countries even play it other than Canada?

Speaker 1 Who else plays football?

Speaker 2 Like American-style football?

Speaker 1 They don't even play it overseas. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They don't even touch it. No.

Speaker 1 That was when Nate Bargasi hosted Saturday Night Live, not this time, but last year, he did that skit joke about it coming from the UK, and he was like, and we will have a sport named football.

Speaker 1 And they were like, oh, where you'll kick a ball? They'll go, no.

Speaker 1 And they'll go, so you never kick the ball? They go, sometimes.

Speaker 1 It's so funny about trying to explain football to somebody not from here.

Speaker 2 It's bizarre that we didn't call it a different thing.

Speaker 2 They were calling it football and it was soccer. And we just said, no, we're going to change the name of that.
We're going to call it soccer. Yeah.
And this is football now.

Speaker 2 What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 It's the American way, dude. Yeah.
It's like, hey, we don't care how y'all do temperature everywhere else. Yeah, exactly.
Fuck you.

Speaker 2 We go with degrees.

Speaker 1 Fahrenheit, bitch. Yeah, fuck you.
We're going to create one. Fuck your metric system.

Speaker 2 Metric system is so much more efficient. We're like, nah.
No, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 You'll love that Nate skit then because that's what he does. He just kind of goes through trash and all these ideas.

Speaker 1 The best part is, Kenan looks at him at the new skit and goes, what about my people? Will the slaves be freed after the war? He said, They will be freed after a war.

Speaker 1 He said, But not this one.

Speaker 1 Just fucking, I don't know. It's a good skit, man.
It was really funny. I'll sit on him a lot.

Speaker 2 He's a funny dude.

Speaker 1 Another Nashville guy. Love him, man.
Big, big.

Speaker 2 Have you seen Theo thinking of Nashville? Speaking of Nashville guys, you've seen Theo do his impression of you?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, it's the fucking best. It's my favorite thing ever.

Speaker 1 Shelly, what we'll let every acceptance be.

Speaker 2 See if you can find it, Jay.

Speaker 1 I want to thank the concrete lady.

Speaker 1 Oh, D.O. He did it with him and Joey D.

Speaker 1 I just want to thank

Speaker 1 right now. There's somebody who's stuck under a bridge.

Speaker 1 There's somebody out there who's 11 foot in a size 8 tennis shoe. I want a matri D and a macaroni grip.

Speaker 1 It's a simulation, Joe.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it might be.

Speaker 1 I just couldn't believe that I'd be in a place where Theo Vaughn would, one, be my buddy. He came to my L.A.
show. It just made me so happy.
I almost cry when I see him. I was so excited.

Speaker 1 But then to have him, you know, just fuck, dude. I was,

Speaker 1 I've said this a lot. There's a dream for an artist.

Speaker 1 There's nothing more pop culture than being brought up in a a comedy special.

Speaker 1 Like, if you was an artist back in the old days and you got brought up on an HBO special, you were on fucking fire. You could not be bigger.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 So it's like, I have those, that's to me is like those unreal moments when you watch a guy like Theo with his platform impersonating me to a T and we're friends too.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, man, I would have never even, I never thought I'd win an award to give a speech or more or less that the speech would be so viral that a comedian would have an impression of it.

Speaker 1 You You know what I mean? It's like it's the, I don't know, it's the greatest,

Speaker 1 that's the greatest compliment you can be paid in pop culture is if a comedian will burn on you a little bit.

Speaker 2 That's hilarious. That one was perfect.

Speaker 1 I'm still like, that's my

Speaker 1 like the first time I get dropped in a special, I'm gonna lose my shit. It's gonna remind me of little me watching HBO specials.

Speaker 2 You know, well, if someone's listening to this right now, some comic's probably gonna write a bit, put you in there.

Speaker 1 Don't be mean. No, just be funny.

Speaker 2 Just for fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Maybe it's Theo.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Maybe Theo will do that in a special.

Speaker 1 Theo's such a sweet.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to steal him from Nashville.

Speaker 1 God, I'd try to. Steal him.
Well, listen, for what it's worth,

Speaker 1 I think the wife and I are on the way to it. Really? Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 1 my wife was born in Houston.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 She's always had Texas in her heart.

Speaker 1 I went out on the river up here, and it's just

Speaker 1 I'm coming, bro.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, man. I love it, dude.
I just love the city. I love the space.

Speaker 1 Before I got here last night, just the few people that knew I was coming, I'd already got texts from my friends down here, from Carrie to Bruce, to people that, you know, just

Speaker 1 I was just, even my wife was like, you love it there. I was like, she loves Texas anyway, so she's all in.
We're talking about it. It's real pretty.
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 We'll always be back and forth because Nashville is always Nashville to me.

Speaker 2 Are you friends with Gary Clark?

Speaker 1 Yes. I love Gary Clark power.

Speaker 2 Gary Clark's a wizard.

Speaker 1 He's a wizard. And something else, I was talking to his manager's name, Scooter.
Have you ever met Scooter? Yeah. Scooter's the best.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I think if I came down there, we would get, you know, if I brought the culture, the way I approach songwriting in Nashville here,

Speaker 1 I think we could have a little paradigm shift down here, too. Why not? You know what I mean? Let's go.

Speaker 1 You feel me?

Speaker 1 Let's go. Come on.

Speaker 2 A musical mothership.

Speaker 1 Let's go. I've told you this before, drunk, and I meant it then and I mean it now.
I'm going to come to you one day, and it's not going to surprise you. I hope.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to, with a concept about doing the mother, you just giving me the right to call it the music mothership in Nashville. I'll give you the right right now.
All All right, cool for it.

Speaker 1 I got a plan man because what y'all do for comedy We have singer have you ever been to a writer's round? No Joe when you come to Nashville Please please come a little early.

Speaker 1 Let me take you to a writers round.

Speaker 1 Okay, you will have a ball So what happens is the songwriters who are writing all these big hit records in town Come and they go to these bars and they do writers rounds They'll set up three or four bar stools and every songwriter will have a guitar and they'll sing a song they wrote and tell you the story about the song.

Speaker 1 And it's the coolest, it's the coolest thing ever because it's a dude, not being funny, but a dude that looks like me if I wasn't me, or a dude that looks like young Jamie.

Speaker 1 And then he sings Live Like I'm Dying by Tim McGraw.

Speaker 1 And he tells the most heartfelt story about where he was at in his life when he wrote the song and how he came up with the concept for it. Oh, wow.
And it's this beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 And there's only one place in town that's really famous for it. It's called the Bluebird Cafe.
They happen everywhere. And the first time I left the mothership, I was like, I'm doing this for music.

Speaker 1 I'm going to create this same culture for our songwriters. Because what happens is if you can create a place where people feel safe, they show up.

Speaker 1 So what happens is, because like, I don't go to the Bluebird Cafe a lot because it's a pain in the ass to get in and out of.

Speaker 1 So if one of my friends calls, like, hey, I'm at the Bluebird, it's a legendary spot and I love it. They're like, will you come sing something with me? It's like,

Speaker 1 you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 There's no structure. It wasn't, you built your club for comedy.
You knew that if the comedians were happy, they would show the fuck up.

Speaker 1 And that if you did everything you could to cater it to the comedians first, that they would come and bring their best, and the best comedians would be there, which means that people were going to come see the best art, right?

Speaker 1 Same concept I'm going to try to do with music. It's my next move, dude.
Let me open my bar first, Bubba, and I'm going to circle back about this by

Speaker 1 just want your right to call it. I don't want no hundred percent.
No, do it. I just want to call it the music mothership.
It's a great idea.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to, and we'll talk about the logo because I want to kind of do a music. I want to be like a guitar version of the alien.
You know what I'm saying? Do it. Do it up.

Speaker 2 Do it up.

Speaker 1 Imagine you're a little alien with a guitar. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 And call it the music mothership. Why not? Well, the idea behind it, you could definitely apply to music.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Pretty kind of idea.

Speaker 1 Take the phone. So you know what else? What happens to? I thought about this.
If I take the phones like y'all do, then it becomes a laboratory. Yeah.
Right?

Speaker 1 Because then it goes from like, not only will I sing me the hit I just wrote, how about I got a song Morgan Wallin's to put out next month that nobody's heard. Ooh.

Speaker 1 Ooh. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it's a safe place. Morgan shows up to sing it.
Nobody's videoing. Nobody's picturing.

Speaker 2 People know it's a laboratory, too. And that's another exciting thing about it.
Like when you go to the mothership, you go to that bottom-of-the-barrel show. That's a full laboratory show.

Speaker 1 My favorite show I've seen there.

Speaker 2 Nobody knows what the fuck it's going to be about. You're just reaching into a barrel and pulling out suggestions.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that a bunch of people that are mothership fans wrote on paper. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It gets wild immediately.

Speaker 1 There wasn't a warm-up question. It's automatically to the...
Brian Simpson is so good at it, by the way. Yeah, well, it's his show.

Speaker 2 But the reason why it's so good is because it's like a premise factory. Like, you just get ignited by this thought that you didn't think of before that.

Speaker 2 Like, in that moment, someone says something about fire trucks, and then you're like, you know about fire trucks? And then all of a sudden, there's a bit.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Like, all of a sudden, because of necessity, because you're forced into this situation where you're trying to, like, it's literally like you're calling on the muse on the stage.

Speaker 2 And, you know, a lot of times it's nothing. Like, seven out of ten times, you ain't got shit for that bit.
But every now and then you catch fire, and that becomes like a bit.

Speaker 1 Oh, have you you ever had one birth into a bit?

Speaker 2 A bunch of them. I'll tell you which one's off stage or off camera, but a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 A bunch of them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 Because it's just like that,

Speaker 2 that little room, too, is like so like you can't bullshit anybody in that little room.

Speaker 1 I like it. It feels like we're all sitting Indian style together.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's only 100 people in there. 110, I think, is when it's fully packed.

Speaker 2 Dave was the first person to go on stave there.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, actually, Shane first. Shane opened for

Speaker 2 Gillis opened for Chappelle. We didn't even tell the audience who was going on stage.
We just said it's a special, intimate show. Show sold out like that.
Nobody knew who it was.

Speaker 2 And then Gillis goes on stage, does 15 minutes, and he brings up Dave. And Dave did like an hour and a half.

Speaker 2 And he just fully writes on stage. Like he had just done a special.
He fully writes on stage. Like he has ideas, and he just lets them breathe.
Just fucks around on stage, gets a little tipsy.

Speaker 2 Just fucks around on stage.

Speaker 1 Can I tell that?

Speaker 1 You can cut this if you don't want to tell it, but my favorite story I tell about you is my time at the comedy club with you was one of the first times I did this pod.

Speaker 1 I think you had shows that night and I went to both of them. And the first one was killer.
But the second one, you had gotten a little slippery and it was fun.

Speaker 1 It was, it was, it was like, because I remember right before you walked out there, you even looked at me and that's the word you used. You said, I felt a little slippery.
It was just a little loose.

Speaker 1 You had your cup in your hand and I just seen a twinkle in you. I was like, oh, I'm staying.
Because I was going to leave. I'd already seen the show, you know.
And you did two shows.

Speaker 1 I was like, like, oh, I got to see this. I think this is going to be a little different.

Speaker 2 It was the fun ones.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was fun, man, because I got to watch the same set, but you fuck around a little more and kind of get lost in it sometimes, just having fun with it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, like you could tell you were like, you did the first one, like, this is what I know I got.

Speaker 1 And the second one, you had a couple cocktails, like, I'm going to riff on this point a little bit and just fuck off.

Speaker 2 Sometimes when you do that, you have the best part of the joke.

Speaker 1 And that's when you'll find probably the shit that closes it out.

Speaker 2 There's sometimes like tag lines just come to you in the moment, and you're like, wow, I never even thought of that one before.

Speaker 1 Do you get straight off stage and write them down?

Speaker 2 No, I record all my sets. Oh, wow.
So then after I'm done, I'll listen to the recording and then I'll write. I sit down in front of the laptop and just actually sit down and put them out.

Speaker 1 Does it help you to see your ideas like that?

Speaker 2 It helps me to expand on them because it takes longer to type a thought than it does to think it, right?

Speaker 2 So like if I'm thinking of a coffee cup, I'm thinking of it instantly, but it takes a couple of seconds for me to write it.

Speaker 2 And that gives me chances to explore left, rights, down, up all these different ways you can go with an idea yeah so and then i'll usually like try to write it out like a essay form so if i have an idea and it's funny and it does really well on like bottom of the barrel or a riff out of nowhere then i take that idea and i just write out like an essay just

Speaker 2 i'm not even trying to be funny i just try to think about all the different angles of this idea and then i'll extract like little pieces of it and try these little pieces on stage wow and then you go and test them and chew the meat and spit the fact And then sometimes in the middle of it, you're like, this sounds wrong.

Speaker 2 This sounds disingenuous. I'll take a totally different approach.
Sometimes I'll contradict myself.

Speaker 2 Like in the middle of it, I'll go, but what the fuck do I, why would I think that I know the answer to that? And then that becomes the bit. Right.

Speaker 1 Then it turns into a turn.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you never know, man. And the whole thing is just numbers.
You just got to put a lot of numbers in. A lot of numbers in front of the computer, numbers on stage.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's like this constant process of like building a mountain one layer of paint at a time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just

Speaker 1 constant.

Speaker 1 Time under pressure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Me and my daughter, she wants to write, she writes songs. She's already so much better than I was at 16.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 she would come to me a couple of years ago and she'd be like, hey, I want to put some of this stuff out. I've been writing all this stuff.

Speaker 1 And I was torn because I was like, well, you should have the right to put out whatever you want. That's the freedom that exists.

Speaker 1 But I know something you don't know. That you just wrote your first 30 songs.
And they're incredible for your first 30 songs. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 you go, go write a hundred and let's see if we can find five that are worth rewriting, reworking, refiguring out. You know what I mean? And, and I was cool.

Speaker 1 It taught me a lot about her personality because she was like, I get it. She got it immediately.
I wouldn't have got it at 15. You know what I mean? She got it.
She was like, cool, no problem.

Speaker 2 Well, she probably sees what you do.

Speaker 2 And that's the beautiful thing about having an example, whether it's your peers or for her, your dad.

Speaker 2 You get to see an example of how someone does a process. Because if you're not around anybody that's trying to get good at something, you don't really know how to do it.

Speaker 2 That's one of the cool things about a conversation like this, because there's people out there that are listening that don't have anybody around them that's doing cool shit. Right.

Speaker 2 And they think it's impossible. And they hear about this dude that was in jail for half his fucking life.
And, you know, this other dude who's a cage fighting comedy,

Speaker 2 cage fighting commentator and stand-up comedian. Like, these fucking guys are not, they're not normal either.
Right. Like, maybe I'm not normal.

Speaker 2 Maybe like this, maybe there is something out there for me.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 But I don't hear it from anybody in my neighborhood. I don't hear it from my parents.
I don't hear it from my teachers. I don't hear it from my boss.
Right.

Speaker 1 And I'm fucking lost, you know?

Speaker 2 And then they hear people talk about like the love of writing songs that you have, the passion you have for creating a thing, how you piece it, how you jump up and write down the premise, you write down an idea for a lyric.

Speaker 2 And then in their head, they're like, I can do that with something.

Speaker 2 I can do that with something. I just have to find a thing.

Speaker 1 I said, just find a thing, man. Just, just, there was,

Speaker 1 my daddy, I sat down with him at a bar called the Ten Roof on the Mummy Street one night, Joe, and I looked my dad in the eye and I said, I'm done. I said, I've done everything I can.

Speaker 1 I remember I was probably 29 years old. It was probably a decade ago.

Speaker 1 And I said,

Speaker 1 dad, I've been out of jail five years or four years or whatever. I've done everything I can in this business.
You know how hard I've worked.

Speaker 1 Do you think our brother Roger will give me a job on a meat truck? Because my father sold meat. So did my brother.

Speaker 1 He said, I know your brother will give you a job on a meat truck, but I want to give you some perspective. I said,

Speaker 1 I'm open for a healthy dose of that. He said, you've only been out here trying this as hard as you possibly can for five years, just five, four years, four and a five years.

Speaker 1 I said, Dad, that's five years. He said, if you went to Vanderbilt, you still wouldn't have your bachelor's degree.

Speaker 1 Joe. It's true.

Speaker 1 Right? It's so true.

Speaker 1 It covered me.

Speaker 1 And he said, Jason, if you're working as hard as you really, I know you are, if you're really writing every day, if you're doing shows every week, and I was opening up 50 bucks a night, I mean, you know, my story is that old school get in the van and go do a thousand shows for fucking gas money.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? He was like, if you're really doing that, there's no way it's not going to work. If you're really doing it, not you're faking it, not you're half-assing it.

Speaker 1 If you're really, this is all that matters to you. If you were going to Vanderbilt right now and you did it for another five years, you'd finally be a brain surgeon.

Speaker 1 He said, if I was you, I'd wait and see if I was a brain surgeon.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? I swear, dude, I'll never forget. And I'll never forget calling him crying the first time I moved into a neighborhood with a surgeon.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? You know, when you call him, like, you won't fucking believe. I just met my neighbor.
Guess what he does? What? He's a fucking plastic surgeon. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that old man knew something, though. But he just knew that the law of work would never work against us.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you keep going, that's the thing we were talking about before, about people bailing out. Yeah, that's it.
It gets hard.

Speaker 1 You just got to sit, man. You just got to sit, man.
You just got to sit.

Speaker 2 You also got to recognize when you're making the right moves or the wrong moves, you know, with what you're doing. And sometimes people don't want a course correct.
They don't want to course correct.

Speaker 2 And then it could be a bad relationship. Ooh, that one's tanked more guys than anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 2 And gals. I've seen it.
The bad relationship one, that'll that'll tank you. No, that'll become everything in your life is that thing, and then you have very little resources for your art.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because your life is just a storm. Just a storm of confusion and chaos and fucking emotions every day.

Speaker 1 And then trying to block it out to make the art.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If you can't allow it to be the muse for it.
For me, it was a little different because it became the muse.

Speaker 1 The chaos that was happening around me just became I had a moment where and this is such a cool epiphany I had Joe For the longest time, I thought I was special because I was from Antioch, Tennessee, and I grew up in a certain kind of way around certain kind of people and that I was special because that was, I hung on to that, like, I'm different.

Speaker 1 And then I realized what was happening was I was just like everybody else. That's what the superpower really was, is that every fucking neighborhood in America is like Antioch almost.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? So it was like a totally different thing. So I started realizing, oh, this isn't, this is the muse.

Speaker 1 I'm speaking for every man when I'm writing just the chaos that's happening around me right now this is the everyman story

Speaker 2 isn't it crazy that everybody wants to be special

Speaker 2 but every special person wants to be an everyman

Speaker 2 yeah I like being an everyman that's what I like being me too yeah But when you're a kid, you want to be different.

Speaker 2 You want to pretend that you're different than other people because that'll make success more attainable.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 You want to pretend that you have some some special quality and ability that other people don't possess, so that's why you can get to this bizarre position that everybody wants, where everybody in our business wants to be successful and famous.

Speaker 2 So you have to be bizarre.

Speaker 2 And then once you get there, you're like, oh shit, I'm everybody. Everybody's just the same.

Speaker 1 Everybody's the same.

Speaker 2 I got to get make sure that I keep that.

Speaker 2 Make sure that I keep, we're all the same.

Speaker 1 It was in my songwriting,

Speaker 1 I'm going to say 2015, 16-ish,

Speaker 1 I realized that I was trying to tell special stories and that God had put me in a situation. He was screaming at me to tell a story of a group of people that had never had their story told.

Speaker 1 But I was just going out of my way to try to come up with a special story. You know what I mean? And then when I started being like, you know what?

Speaker 1 No, I'm just going to write about my neighbor who's struggling with drug addiction.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to write a song about my baby mother because I'm infuriated that she left our daughter high and dry like this because of drugs. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, I just started writing from that perspective.

Speaker 1 And then I I realized that it was connecting with people because it was the everyman story. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I almost called this album Cinderella Man,

Speaker 1 right? And I'll tell you why I didn't. But I thought, I watched the movie and I was like, I had a moment in that movie where

Speaker 1 when he's walking, you've seen the movie, right? Y'all all seen the movie, Jane.

Speaker 1 He's walking in a, for those who haven't, it's about an old boxer who in the Depression had kind of was on a losing streak, kind of long in the tooth. They used to call him James Praddock.

Speaker 1 They would call him a journeyman is what we call him now. It looked like it never going to work out for him.
Working, couldn't get a job on a loading dock almost.

Speaker 1 Family splitting bread, one of the greatest movies ever. Russell Crowe, right? Yep.
And he comes out and towards the end, he ends up fighting this championship fight. And it's a crazy movie to watch.

Speaker 1 But when he's running, he goes by the old dock and they're all cheering for him.

Speaker 1 And I relate to this because this happened to me. And he didn't understand it.
So he looks at his manager. Do you remember this scene? This is the scene that I related to the most.

Speaker 1 He looks at his manager and goes, why are they cheering for me? He goes, because you're them.

Speaker 1 I was like, I'm the fucking Cinderella man. That's why this worked for me at 40.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But I ended up calling it Beautifully Broken because as I started really writing, because that was my idea going into the project, I'm going to write the Cinderella Man story. And

Speaker 1 all I could think about was other people.

Speaker 1 Every time I'd pick up a pen, I would think about this young lady at a show who told me that Save Me helped her because she was raped by her uncle.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, what do I write for her?

Speaker 1 I see Winning Streak. I watched this moment.
And I got to write that for him. You know? Now I might write some of them from first perspective, but it changed everything.

Speaker 1 And all of a sudden, I was like, this album ain't about me.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? This album is about finding beauty in broken things. You know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And instantly, it was like, once again, how God works, as soon as I took me out of it,

Speaker 1 the album blossomed. Yeah.
Immediately. I

Speaker 1 wrote 80 songs that sucked. Just couldn't find my way to what story I was trying to tell.
You know?

Speaker 1 And just as soon as I was like, well, let's go back to where's the muse coming from? Who am I writing for? I say I'm the voice of the voiceless.

Speaker 1 When I had the opportunity to go talk about fentanyl down at Capitol Hill, I didn't hesitate. I knew I was going to talk for a bunch of people that couldn't talk.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's like, who am I writing this for? Right. And dude, it changed that whole writing style, dog.
Then I got lost and wrote another 80. Damn.
Because now I'm having fun. I got a direction.

Speaker 1 I feel like I've heard from God. I'm Moses.
You know what I'm saying? The burning bushes spoke. I know what I'm supposed to be writing about.

Speaker 1 You know, it took me 16 months to get there, but that's just how it works.

Speaker 2 What you're saying, too, about taking yourself out of it.

Speaker 1 As soon as I took me out of it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 As soon as I took me out of it, it was that easy.

Speaker 1 Snap that fast.

Speaker 2 It's almost like a trap. Like, it's the You're So Vain song.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's like a trap.

Speaker 2 Like, that trap of thinking about yourself. You waste so much of your resources.
Yeah. So much of your resources.

Speaker 2 Like, thinking about how you want to come off, how you want people to react to it, how you want to, like, get out there and kill it in front of everybody. And you miss all the beautiful magic.

Speaker 2 All the magic.

Speaker 1 It's right there. Yeah.
You know, and you're just missing.

Speaker 1 You just get lost in the art.

Speaker 2 And when you're at your best, you are them. You are one of them.
You're like singing for them.

Speaker 1 You know? When I'm at my best, it's when I didn't know they were cheering. I didn't know they were even cheering for me.
Right. It's because I'm one of them.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's kind of like the, yeah, it's that same kind. Yeah.
This album was the most fun I've ever had getting to an album. I learned so much about myself.

Speaker 2 I think that's one of the things that people really dislike about stars.

Speaker 2 like famous people, like people that you think of as stars, that they somehow or another think they're better than everybody else. That's the thing that people like dislike the most.

Speaker 2 Like, oh, they think they're better than us.

Speaker 2 They live in Beverly Hills. They think they're better than us because they're a star.
You ain't better than us.

Speaker 2 It's like when someone can do what you do and stay the same person and stay them, just a better version of who you used to be. But

Speaker 2 stay normal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And actually getting better every day because I'm doing the work, trying to be better. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I was telling the Titans when I went and talked to them at the game, I was like,

Speaker 1 I don't focus on winning anything but life.

Speaker 1 Like, i i know that everything else is going to be good as long as i'm focused on being a good father like priority number one is like am i good husband what i've learned is if i'm winning as a husband and i'm winning as a father i am kicking ass in business yeah the last thing you want is those home dramas yeah you don't want no home dramas no it's crazy but it's also that's something if we talk about things that distracted people i was in so many bad relationships early or even times in my life i was single courting multiple women and that's such a distraction like when i got with my wife and felt like to the point of being like, I don't want to spend time with any woman but you when I have the time I have to spend, I want to spend it with you.

Speaker 1 And all my, it's like my whole world suddenly went from feeling like it was this big to this big.

Speaker 1 And when it got that small, I was like, oh man, this is it. We're in a foxhole.

Speaker 1 And then I just started kicking ass outside of that. You know what I'm saying? And like life just starts winning.
And I'm like, oh, dude, it's because I'm fucking winning at home.

Speaker 2 It's also what you're saying, too, about your resources. Like, you have so much more to give, you know, and everything's positive.

Speaker 2 A happy home life like feeds off your happy business life and your happy performing life.

Speaker 2 That's what we all want. You know, we all want a beautiful community of people that are like enjoying life and experiencing life together.

Speaker 2 Your family and your friends and the people you fuck around with. You just want a beautiful community of people having a good time.
And that's possible, but it's hard.

Speaker 2 And that's why it's so wonderful when you get it because you know that there's a lot of people out there that are never going to get it.

Speaker 1 Man, that's deep. That's probably the hardest part.
It's a lot of work towards it, too, though, man. A lot.

Speaker 2 It's a lot of work on yourself. Yeah,

Speaker 1 lots of work. But that's working relationships, though.

Speaker 2 Just think about the arc that you've gone through from being a kid, getting arrested as a kid, spending all that time in juvenile and jail, and then getting free and then figuring out that you're talented and then pursuing this crazy impossible dream, you know, and to where you are now.

Speaker 2 It's nuts.

Speaker 1 Sitting on the biggest podcast in the world, my bubble.

Speaker 2 It's an amazing story. I mean, it's an amazing story.
If it was in a movie, you'd have a hard time believing it.

Speaker 1 That movie's nuts.

Speaker 1 That's it, for sure. I'm telling you, dude, that little fat, nerdy alien that's playing me on the game every day is fucking killing it.

Speaker 2 He's killing it. My brother, I appreciate you very much.
Yeah, I love you. Thank you.
I love you very much.

Speaker 1 I got to put Jamie on blast before we go, though.

Speaker 1 Jamie, we had a deal.

Speaker 1 Me and Jamie had some cocktails one night. Don't look at Jamie.
And we had a deal that if I ever played Ohio Stadium, Joe Rogan, that Jamie was going to come out and play the guitar.

Speaker 2 Jamie, you got any video of you playing guitar?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Not recently, but yeah, I used to be in a band and played music on stage and stuff.

Speaker 1 Sure. He definitely knew I wasn't talking about it.
I'd be talking.

Speaker 2 Do you have any video of you playing guitar? The week gets sweat right now? Nah, it's no. It's like you wouldn't know it was me.

Speaker 1 It's just a lot of heavy metal music. Yeah, will you pull up a Buckeye Country Fest then so you can show everybody the flyer of the concert you're going to be playing next year?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. There it is, baby.
I'll see you there, Jamie.

Speaker 2 Jamie, June 21st, 2025, Ohio Stadium, Columbus, Ohio. Let's fucking go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck Jelly Roll. Y'all come to see young Jamie play that guitar.

Speaker 2 I love that Megan Maroney chick, too.

Speaker 1 She's, listen, man, she's awesome, awesome, dude. Yeah, my teacher.
Jamie's great. Treaty's great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's...

Speaker 1 She is badass, man. When she made her Opry debut, she wore a jelly roll jacket, and it tickled me so pink.
It made me like the cool dad for my daughter because my daughter loves her too.

Speaker 1 So, that's amazing. Really cool.

Speaker 1 I love you, Joe, man. I love you, too.
Thank you for your time, brother. Beautifully broken, available now.

Speaker 2 Available now. Go get it live, brother.