#2410 - Jeff Dye

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Speaker 2 I'm trying to get to that, yeah, that's the key.

Speaker 1 That's the but they tricking me, Joe.

Speaker 2 They're painting me in with the algorithm.

Speaker 1 These motherfuckers, they get me too, they get me in the morning.

Speaker 2 I was just talking about it with Jamie. That, like, are we rolling? Yeah, I was just talking about with him is like

Speaker 2 I'm I'm so good at like not caring what people think sort of and then I find no I really care a lot like I'm like in a constant tug of war of that because I used to have Google alerts on oh no for your name?

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh, yeah, and then I had to get rid of that. Oh yeah, dare then I was like I'm gonna check the YouTube comments so that's the that was a ring that I had to close.
I'm slowly closing the rings.

Speaker 2 The ring I'm stuck in right now is checking what like my comedy peers are up to. You know that kind of stuff.
The one that they make videos.

Speaker 2 The videos they make of, like,

Speaker 1 oh,

Speaker 2 so-and-so is,

Speaker 2 you know, having a breakdown, or Mark Maron said this, or those kind of, like, those rings, you know? Oh, no, no. But I need to close that.
I want to get, I want to have none of it.

Speaker 2 I don't want to check any comments or anything.

Speaker 1 I'm much better at this stuff than I ever have been in the past, of avoiding most things that are annoying.

Speaker 1 But every now and then, one will sneak in, and then I'll be like, why did I let that sneak in? Yeah, I texted you. Why did that bother me?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I texted you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going, hey, check this out.

Speaker 2 He goes, Don't send me shit like this.

Speaker 1 The Ronda Rousey one didn't really bother me. Okay, good.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I know what that is.

Speaker 1 You know, like, she's

Speaker 1 a fucking pit bull, man. That's the type of human.
Thanks, brother.

Speaker 2 You're welcome. Do you mind if I tell you my opinion of Ronda Rousey and you tell me if I'm right or not?

Speaker 1 You're good.

Speaker 2 Because you know what you're talking about. And I am not a UFC.
I like UFC, but I don't, you know, you know these things.

Speaker 2 So I've always said, like, Ronda Rousey was a badass

Speaker 2 and was awesome at fighting when there was like 30 girls doing it in the like professionally at her level.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 2 That's why I said I might be wrong.

Speaker 2 But then there was probably all these girls who could really fight all over the world, like in Japan and in other countries, and even maybe even in America that just weren't in UFC.

Speaker 2 They're like, I could probably beat this chick. And now that there's so many women competing on this level, like Ronda Rousey probably isn't in her prime as badass as like the field.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it's very difficult to, when someone's a pioneer, she's a legitimate pioneer, it's very difficult to compare them to the people that have had a chance to study the pioneers and then advance the sport.

Speaker 1 Right. So, what she was is, here you go.

Speaker 1 She's a legend. I mean, I got nothing but love and respect for that lady.
What she did was

Speaker 1 so impressive. She was the first legitimate female superstar.
She made the UFC female division possible. If it wasn't for her, Dana was very open about never having female UFC fighters.

Speaker 1 It took someone that was that dynamic, that was that special, to open his eyes and go, you know what? I think this lady's a star.

Speaker 1 And to be the type, like when she said, like, I wasn't an expert.

Speaker 1 Everyone's entitled to their opinion, you know, but you got to understand why she thinks like that. Because she's a fucking, she has a champion mentality.
You never fought, you ain't shit.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like it's real simple the football game did that you didn't play you're like yeah but i studied the sport doesn't matter you ain't shit i get it it's totally fine um

Speaker 1 you can't judge her like compare her to like zhang wei lee because like zhang wei lee who was the 115 pound champion she had a chance to watch all these other people learn what they're doing right what they're doing wrong what's effective what's not effective what what what ronda had is world-class judo world-class bronze medalist in the Olympics, one of the best arm bars, period, in the sport, in the history of the sport.

Speaker 1 Her fucking arm bar, the technique was flawless. There's a fight with her and Kat Zangano.
Katzangano launches at her, just fucking charges. Kat Zangano was an animal, charges at her, full.

Speaker 1 Rhonda catches her in an arm bar in like 13 seconds. I don't remember the exact time.
It was nuts, but it was perfect. Perfect technique.
You know, you couldn't fuck with that.

Speaker 1 But then she fought Holly Holm.

Speaker 1 And when she fought Holly Holmes, she was dealing with an elite boxer, an elite kickboxer, and a very physically strong woman who had an awesome game plan and who had a chance to study Ronda.

Speaker 1 And maybe more importantly, came from a great camp. And that camp, Jackson Winklejohn camp, one of the best camps in the world.
John Jones came out of that camp.

Speaker 1 Holly, Donald Cerroni originally came out of that camp. A lot of great fighters came out of there.
So they were really good at game planning. So they knew how Ronda likes to clinch.

Speaker 1 They knew how Rhonda likes to set up her takedowns. And they knew what to avoid.
And then on top of that, Holly is just an elite striker.

Speaker 1 So every time Rhonda tried to close the distance, the striking that she was very effective with against guys like Bech Kohea, these fighters that were a lower tier, it's not going to be as effective with someone like Holly.

Speaker 1 And Holly started catching her on the feet and had her rocked and then landed that famous high kick and put her out.

Speaker 2 Well, I thought they were like the same age and same era. But like Holly's after.

Speaker 2 She was able to learn from.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say they are the same era. But Holly, you know,

Speaker 1 she had wins and losses. She lost to Valentina Shevchenko.
She lost to some other fighters.

Speaker 1 But it was stylistically, it was a great matchup for her because she's an elite striker. She's really good at counter-striking, striking.
She's really good at movement.

Speaker 1 And when Rhonda has to close that distance, every fight starts in the feet and when you're with a very physically strong woman who's got good takedown defense and is good at like catching you as you're charging in that was that was the problem in that fight also the problem in that fight I think for Rhonda is

Speaker 1 when you start becoming really famous

Speaker 1 then

Speaker 1 the hyenas show up and they start offering you this and offering you that and distracting you with this and distracting you with that and now you're going to meetings and you're talking to agents and you're setting up movies and you're doing this and you're doing that.

Speaker 1 And all those things take away from the most important thing, which is your fighting. Even if they don't take away from the amount of training you do, they take away from your focus.

Speaker 1 They just rob you of the bandwidth. You know, I always tell comics this when it comes to like dealing with

Speaker 1 haters and things online that you shouldn't read.

Speaker 1 You only have, like, think of your mind as having a number of units of attention. Think you have a like 100 units of focus.

Speaker 1 Anything that eats into those units, anything that bothers you, that annoys you, that's useless, that doesn't help you, that's stealing from your 100.

Speaker 1 You know, so now you only have 80 units or 70 units of focus because 30 of it is concentrated on bullshit.

Speaker 1 It'll rob you of what makes you great.

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Speaker 1 This offer is for new customers only. So there was two factors.
There was the skill of Holly, the fact that she had all this opportunity to study Rhonda and with a great team and devise a game plan.

Speaker 1 And then there's also the stealing of focus. You know,

Speaker 1 ronda i was one of the biggest champions of her as a fighter as a as a like a legitimate pioneer and a star it was first it was gina carano and chris cyborg to a certain extent but cyborg had an asterisk everybody knew she was rooted up and then it was ronda but ronda eclipsed all of them she was bigger than all of them i was a huge supporter and still am but When you watch a fight and you're watching you get your ass kicked and the other person is talking about how great the other person is doing and how bad you're doing that doesn't sit well with a lot of people especially like someone who's got that kind of champion mentality that fucking pit bull mentality like I thought you were with me fuck you yeah and then it was after the fight I was very

Speaker 1 public about saying I don't think she should fight for a long time They were talking about doing an immediate rematch. And I was like, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 Like, they were talking about doing a rematch in four months or something like that. I was like, when you get head kicked into the shadow realm, you're supposed to take a long time off.

Speaker 1 When Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, it was a fucking picture-perfect right-hand who

Speaker 1 knocked Manny Pacquiao out. His coach, Freddie Roach, said, you can't fight for a year.
I don't want you doing anything for a year, for one year, because you got to heal up from something like that.

Speaker 1 It's bad. When you get knocked unconscious, it's not just that you'll be a touch gun shy, which is possible, but also that you're more vulnerable to getting hit.

Speaker 1 And then you could ruin your chin forever. Like if you get knocked out, there's certain fighters that used to have iron chins, like Chuck Liddell is one of the greatest examples of that.

Speaker 1 He had an iron chin. You could hit that dude with a fucking sledgehammer, and he would just keep swinging at you.

Speaker 1 And then eventually it got to the point where he would get clipped and he would just go out. And it wasn't him, it was

Speaker 1 his brain was broken.

Speaker 1 It was too many times, too many shots,

Speaker 1 too many knockouts, too many impacts. You got to preserve that.
You got to be very careful with that. You got to take a long time off.

Speaker 1 And then there was the Amanda Nunes fight. So the Amanda Nunes fight, I was also very vocal that everybody was putting all of the attention in the promotion on Ronda making this huge comeback.

Speaker 1 And if you watch the promos for that fight, I thought they were crazy disrespectful because the promos, and obviously, look, Ronda was a fucking huge star, a much bigger star than Amanda Nunes.

Speaker 1 And that loss was a shocking upset to a lot of people that didn't understand martial arts and didn't think that Holly had a chance. Didn't think anybody had a chance.

Speaker 1 She's going to beat everybody forever.

Speaker 1 But all of the promo was Rhonda coming back. All of it was like, she's coming back to take what's hers.
It was Rhonda in a mansion looking out. It was like the worst promo set.

Speaker 1 Like Rhonda in a mansion looking out the window saying, I'm going to go get my title. I don't know who made that.
I don't know what it was. But I remember being backstage the day of the fight.

Speaker 1 And there was all these agents mulling around, all these Hollywood twats. And this guy was like, I forget his exact words.
They were talking. He didn't know who Rhonda was fighting.

Speaker 1 And he said, I don't know what her name is, but whoever it is, it's her funeral. That's what he said.
And I was like, oh my God. Like, these are the people.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Amanda Nunes was the scariest person at 135. And that's what I had said before she fought Holly Home.

Speaker 1 I mean, like Dana and I talked about, I said, I think Amanda's the scariest title challenger because she can flatline chicks with one punch. She's very different than all the other ones.

Speaker 1 She wound up flatlining Chris Cyborg. It was a crazy fight.
She beats the fuck out of everybody. She hits so hard, like way harder than most women.
And I was like, that's a dangerous fucking opponent.

Speaker 1 And they're making it seem like this is all about the Ronda comeback when Amanda was the champion. So Holly had beaten Ronda.
Misha Tate had beaten Holly, and then Amanda had beaten Misha Tate.

Speaker 1 So Amanda was the fucking champion, but all the promotion was all about Ronda. And then...

Speaker 2 They were trying to do like pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 I don't know what they were doing. She'll come back.
I think, you know, they were just selling the fight. They were selling it.
And the best way to sell it is, I guess, that way. She's more famous.

Speaker 1 But it's disrespectful to the champion, especially a fucking dangerous champion. And

Speaker 1 if the champion wins, which I thought she was going to win, it sets up...

Speaker 1 It's not good to set her up. Like you should set her up.
Like how fucking dangerous she is. Now you got a bigger star.

Speaker 1 Obviously she wound up being a bigger star and Amanda's the greatest of all time, like widely considered to be the greatest mixed martial arts female fighter in history because she fucks everybody up.

Speaker 1 She's just so dangerous.

Speaker 1 So, and then that fight happens and then that lady takes Rhonda out in the first round, just beats the piss out of her, just stops her standing. It was brutal.

Speaker 1 You know, I never had a bad thing to say about Rhonda. I still don't.
I understand her mentality. I mean, she's a champion-minded person.
Like, she's like, you're fucking with me or against me.

Speaker 1 It's me against the world. You know, she doesn't have a chip on her shoulder.
She's got a forest. She's got a whole forest on her shoulder.
You know what I mean? But that's why she was so good.

Speaker 1 And we're lucky she's a woman. If that lady was a man, she'd be Genghis Khan.
Okay. She'd fucking take over the world.

Speaker 2 She's an animal. That's scary.

Speaker 1 So that's why she has that opinion. That's just how she thinks about things.

Speaker 2 I was mad at her just as an everyday man because my nieces love any woman that's famous for any reason, you know? And my nieces also aren't experts about UFC. They're little girls.

Speaker 2 And they just think it's cool that a woman's a badass, you know? They like that kind of stuff. And so then when she lost to like,

Speaker 2 you know, be on TikTok, I mean, actually, people made TikToks of it. It's not like Ronda Rousey was on TikTok, but like she was like on L and B like, I just wanted to quit.

Speaker 2 And I saw my man and I just realized I want to have babies. And I was like, this is not really the message, you know,

Speaker 2 if you lose to just go be a pro wrestler or have babies. Like, that's not like, I don't know.
I felt like it was a strange way for a champion to talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's her legitimately as a human being. That's what she wanted.
And there comes a time.

Speaker 2 That's good. No, that would be a fine way to frame it.

Speaker 1 Well, she was being honest. She wanted to have babies.
She didn't want to do it anymore. And there comes a time where, look, every fighter can only redline for so long.

Speaker 1 And the reality of fighting is you're redlining. What do you have?

Speaker 1 You know what a redline when the engine, you know, when your tachometer reaches like 8,000 RPMs, like, bam!

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 You can only do that for so long or your engine blows. But to be in peak physical condition, to be able to fight in a championship fight, you essentially have to redline your body through camp.

Speaker 1 You have to get your body to a place where it's at a rate. You can't maintain fight shape.
It's not possible.

Speaker 1 You get to a certain part, you peak, and then then the last week you kind of drop off so that you can recover.

Speaker 1 And so that Saturday night, when Saturday night rolls up and the lights go on in Madison Square Garden, you are as fucking ready as a human being can get.

Speaker 1 But you can't maintain that, and you can't do that forever.

Speaker 1 And they think that there's a theory amongst mixed martial arts commentators and experts and what have you that there's about nine years. Nine years is all it's possible to compete at a peak level.

Speaker 1 And then you get a drop off. Some people have have more longevity than others.
It varies. Some people, it's a much shorter reign.

Speaker 1 And you got to kind of look at who they were when they were at the top.

Speaker 1 You can only look at them when they're at that peak. Like guys like Anderson Silva, he gets kind of dismissed because later in his life, the performances weren't the same.

Speaker 1 They weren't elite performances. But I say that's just human.
You got to look at him when he was the champion. He was one of the most elite guys that's ever competed in the sport sport period.

Speaker 1 He's one of the greatest of all time. But you can only, you got to look at it when he was in his prime.
Sure. You know, and there's only a certain amount of time you can do that.

Speaker 1 And then when a fighter doesn't want to do that and only that anymore, you got to get out. You got to get out because there's some fucking 20-year-old Mike Tyson out there.
There's some animal.

Speaker 1 There's some dude that lives, breathes, sleeps fighting. And all they want to do is land shots and take you out.

Speaker 1 That's their whole focus in life. They don't give a fuck about relationships.
They don't give a fuck about where they live. They don't give a fuck about anything, just winning.

Speaker 1 And that's how you become a world champion. That's how you become elite.

Speaker 2 But you can only maintain it for so long.

Speaker 1 It's not a normal way for a human being to exist.

Speaker 1 It's a very strange way to live.

Speaker 1 And for her, it's natural. Like, she's a woman.
She's like, I don't have babies. I have this great man.

Speaker 1 And she's married to Travis Brown, who's also a beast, who is an elite UFC heavyweight, top 10 heavyweight. You know, she's like, I'm done.
I'm going to make some warrior kids. I get it.

Speaker 1 I saw it and I was like, what the hell does that mean?

Speaker 1 She just didn't beat up and quitting. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Now my niece is rooting for Holly Holmes.

Speaker 1 Good lady. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Holly Holmes' nice.

Speaker 1 She is nice. Yeah.
That's what we like.

Speaker 2 We like the winners who are nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I get it. But there's something about...

Speaker 1 Rhonda being Ronda that made the sport what it is.

Speaker 2 But I rooted for Luke Skywalker, not Darth Vader.

Speaker 1 She's not Darth Vader.

Speaker 2 Sure, Darth Vader's cooler, and he's probably more strong. He's got the thing, you know.
But, you know, Luke's the good guy, and I like the good guy.

Speaker 1 And I root for the good guy. She's not a bad guy.
She's, you know, like, look, her mother was a badass. Her mother was an elite judo competitor.

Speaker 2 Actually, I hate disagreeing with you, Joe.

Speaker 2 But she went to wrestling, Rhonda, and then she said all these terrible things about the wrestlers.

Speaker 1 She said terrible things about you, Kawaio. She didn't say anything terrible about me.

Speaker 2 She said you're not an expert.

Speaker 1 That's all she said.

Speaker 1 That's not terrible. That's just an opinion.
It seems mean to me. No, no, no.
That's all. Look, if I was a pussy, it would be mean.
Well, I'm a pussy. I have to family do it.
That's what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 If I was like,

Speaker 1 dude, that's my whole idea. I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 She's kind of a grumpy, gnarly warrior. And warriors can be a little prickly.

Speaker 1 She's definitely prickly. Yeah, that's all.
But that's why she was awesome.

Speaker 2 That's what made her great. That's what made her great.

Speaker 1 She broke that door wide open, and all the women women that came afterwards follow.

Speaker 1 And it's hard for women to become famous in MMA because it's hard for them to have the kind of spectacular results that men have.

Speaker 1 They generally don't have as much power and unless they're like elite a judo or something like that like she was where they get arm bars and finish people quickly. That's what everybody likes.

Speaker 2 Everybody likes dominance. And I want them to be hot.
That helps. That's a good one, but it's hard to mix those worlds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you get Nisha, Warrior, Herr, Holly. There's only a few of them that were really hot and elite.

Speaker 2 In the old days, they weren't looking at the battle lines and they're going, I wish these Warriors had more tits.

Speaker 2 Like, that's what I'm like a very conflicted person. I want to be badass, but also hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And crazy. To get both of them.
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Speaker 1 They're also going to be super crazy. Yeah, for sure.
Especially while they're fighting. You know, it's like, you don't really want that in your life.

Speaker 1 It's like, no way. You know what it's like? It's like a muscle car.
Like, muscle cars are great to drive, but you don't want to take them on a road trip.

Speaker 2 Dude, Shabby took me to. So I have a great Lakers hookup, right? I go to all the Lakers games.
And I invited Brandon Schaub when we first became friends.

Speaker 2 I said, you want to come to the Lakers game with me? You like it. We sit, we have great seats.
We'll put you in the back. You will meet the owner.
It'll be great.

Speaker 2 So that's my only kind of flex, you know, that can bring people to these kind of things. I don't have a lot to offer, but I can offer that.

Speaker 1 So he's like, yeah, I'll I'll pick you up.

Speaker 2 And he comes to my house. Brandon Schaub comes to my house like in a race car.
I mean, this thing is, it's got the big spoiler on the back.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 2 we're both big guys. I'm 6'4.
He's, I don't know how tall he is, but he's taller than me. And we're in this tiny thing in traffic on the 101 going to a Lakers game.
And we can barely talk.

Speaker 2 We're both talkers, you know?

Speaker 1 And it's like,

Speaker 1 the whole time. And I was just sitting like what?

Speaker 2 Halfway through the drive,

Speaker 2 even though we were like new friends at the time, I'm like, what made you pick this car? You have other cars. And he goes, well, you're like a little kid, and my son loves this car.

Speaker 1 So I decided I picked it because of you. You're like a little kid?

Speaker 1 That's hilarious. And he was right.
Because when he pulled up, I was like, oh, this is awesome.

Speaker 2 But then I got in and I was like, bro, we're not built for this thing. It's dying.

Speaker 2 But that's not like your analogy. Like, that's not a day-to-day.

Speaker 1 No, that's not a road trip car. You want to be in a Cadillac.
You know, it would be something that's quiet and real smooth and handles bumps well. Exactly.
Like a person. Right.
Yeah. Someone who'll

Speaker 1 be comfortable. You want a one-night stand? You want a muscle car.
You want a long-term relationship? Get a Lexus.

Speaker 2 And if you go to Lakers game, bring a goddamn SUV or something.

Speaker 1 Bring something to it. It's not real.
We're in the traffic. Bring something quiet with good air conditioning.

Speaker 2 His heart was in the right place, and he was completely right.

Speaker 1 What car was it?

Speaker 2 I don't know what it is. It was like,

Speaker 2 I wouldn't even be able to guess.

Speaker 1 It's cool, though. You're not into cars?

Speaker 2 I love cars, but I like the cars I like. I've always loved big, stupid things.
Like

Speaker 2 big military vehicles. Have you seen his Hummer?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love all that stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got a real Hummer with like a crazy diesel turbocharged engine.

Speaker 2 Last time I was here and I did his podcast, he had this huge Bronco that he was like doing something where he's selling it, like enough people buy tickets for it or something like that. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That truck was a beautiful truck.

Speaker 2 And I like, like, that's what I like, is like big, stupid tires. Anything in Mad Max, I loved.
Anything the military drives, I'm always like, can I buy that? They're like, no, this is

Speaker 1 not built for that. You can buy a lot of things.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you got to go to those auctions and shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just got to know people. You get a lot of things these days.
I would love that. There's some crazy stuff.

Speaker 2 I've never owned anything that fits in my garage.

Speaker 1 No?

Speaker 2 No, I have to park on the street all the time. I had to get rid of my last Jeep because I put like 46-inch tires on it and I lifted it up.
And it has no doors and no top.

Speaker 2 And so it's just parked in Sherman Oaks on the street. And I'm on the road so much.

Speaker 1 And it's just sitting there.

Speaker 2 Just sitting there. So I come back.
There'd be, you know, just like someone would walk by with like a soda and just throw it in there, you know, because, you know, they don't care.

Speaker 1 And they get mad at you. Right.
What do you have to do? What a douche.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And where I am, it's not popular to have cool big shit like that.

Speaker 1 Right. Sherman Oaks, it's popular to have a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker.
It's so annoying.

Speaker 2 I have a cyber truck, and

Speaker 2 you can't really lift it, but since it has an air suspension,

Speaker 2 you can buy pins that make the air suspension one inch larger than whatever it's adjusting to. Because if you put a lift on it, it's going to screw it all up.

Speaker 2 So, anyways, long story short, I have a lifted cyber truck with big, stupid tires on it, and I drive into the comedy store parking lot, and I'm like, this really isn't helping my reputation.

Speaker 2 Every time I roll in, everyone's like, what is that?

Speaker 1 It used to be that if you had a Tesla,

Speaker 1 they were signaling that you were a left-wing person. 100%.
You know, you're environmentally conscious, worried about carbon. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was one of the more crazy shifts.

Speaker 1 And we could come up with a thousand of these but like evs used to be considered like this great thing you're doing well they still are unless it's a cyber truck unless it's a tesla i get portrayed every day really in my cyber truck yeah every day there's a video of this lady in new jersey she gets out of a cyber truck just gets out she was a passenger and this lady who's walking her dog goes how's it feel to be racist

Speaker 1 and she's like what are you she's like what are you talking about she got a ride she wasn't even driving someone dropped her off she's like what are you talking about yeah you're racist You're in a cyber chuck.

Speaker 1 You're racist. And she's like, What the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 You're crazy.

Speaker 2 It blows my mind.

Speaker 1 Well, people are always looking for every possible opportunity to be a shithead.

Speaker 1 And if they can be a shithead, if they're justified in being a shithead because they disagree with you, they would be the meanest motherfuckers just to be a shithead.

Speaker 1 And that activity happens primarily on the left. Primarily.
Like, you don't see that from the right.

Speaker 1 Like, if someone pulls up in a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker, you don't see a bunch of guys going, hey, you fucking pussy. Yeah, exactly.
What are you, you supporting fucking Iraq?

Speaker 1 What are you fucking? Get out of our town. You're supporting ISIS with your fucking bullshit fucking bumper sticker on the shit.
Your shit back car has a feel to be an ISIS supporter.

Speaker 1 You don't get that. Ever.
But you get that from the left. And I don't, I think it's the Trump thing.

Speaker 1 I think Trump was such a figure, is such a figure of like an attack vector that they look at him like, eh,

Speaker 2 it's fun for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, fun. They have an enemy.

Speaker 2 It occupies their brain at all times.

Speaker 1 They have an enemy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Jimmy Kimmel's wife was doing some podcast recently, Jimmy and the wife, and the wife was saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives because they voted for Trump.

Speaker 1 She says, like, if you vote for Trump, you're voting against my...

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're voting against my husband and my family.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 Well, I think that that's the big psyop.

Speaker 2 They've made everything racial.

Speaker 2 Everything is racial. And so the last thing you want to be called is a racist, right?

Speaker 2 So when you make it as simple as race, like just racial, like just that blanketly simple, then

Speaker 2 anything another color does, you'd be considered racist. So you go, oh, I don't really believe, or I think Muslims are blank, whatever that sentence is.
And you go, racist.

Speaker 2 And you go, well, well, there's surely some things we could criticize about maybe North Korea. They go, oh, you're racist.
So it's like, it's because it's so simple and it's so vague.

Speaker 2 And people love to keep vague things because then they can make their... I saw a comedian.
I won't say her name because I can't pronounce it, but

Speaker 2 that's why I won't say it. Not because I'm holding back names.
Mary Lynn Reischkeb or Reiskib or whatever her name is.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know Mary Lynn.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she used to be really nice to me.

Speaker 1 She used to be?

Speaker 2 Yeah, she

Speaker 2 got caught talking shit about me and I DM'd her immediately. And then she was like,

Speaker 2 and, you know, I think she's a nice person.

Speaker 1 She's a very nice person. Yeah, she's nice.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 people get caught up in that shit.

Speaker 2 I saw her do a bit the other night in the lab where

Speaker 2 she was like, I'm texting with this guy, and he said,

Speaker 2 she said, how are you? And he said, oh, I'm just really sad today about Charlie, about Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 And then she goes, and my hand was like, my phone was on fire.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh,

Speaker 1 like, what?

Speaker 2 And then the crowd laughed. to her defense.
Like the lab at the improv thought this was a hilarious premise. And then she said,

Speaker 2 she was like, What part of his ideas did you find so

Speaker 2 gripping?

Speaker 1 What was it? His racist?

Speaker 2 She just started launching into like about how, like, the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about Charlie Kirk's assassination was the biggest turn off to her that she wrote like a whole bit about it.

Speaker 2 And I was just in my mind, I was like, I can't believe that this is her take.

Speaker 2 I can't believe it's a take that the crowd is on board with. And I can't believe I'm in this town

Speaker 2 anymore. Like, it was like a moment for me where I was like, what?

Speaker 2 Am I insane? No. Like, that's what makes me, those are the moments where you go, I think I'm the crazy person.

Speaker 2 There's a room full of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing and hence deserves being. publicly assassinated.
And if you feel sad about it, you're gross to her.

Speaker 1 And she wants to throw her phone away. And she wants to go, ooh,

Speaker 1 and that's hilarious to everyone.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 the simple vagueness of race. You know, it's like

Speaker 2 this constant obsession with,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 2 you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York, or you must be a racist, or Islam. They've just made it so vague that it's very easy to always label or put things in a thing.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 there's certainly cult-like thinking involved in both the right and the the left.

Speaker 1 It's a real problem with people that

Speaker 1 identify with any political ideology, whether they identify as being a conservative or identify as being a liberal.

Speaker 1 It's a real problem because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports.

Speaker 1 Generally, that's never a good thing to just agree with like a swath of predetermined ideas. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And one is that public assassinations are okay and that they're not sad. They're sad no matter who it is.

Speaker 2 And I would say, even if Charlie Kirk was a terrible person,

Speaker 2 even if he was, which he was not,

Speaker 2 I knew him and he was not.

Speaker 1 But even if he was, let's say they're right about all those things.

Speaker 1 You're happy that he got shot? No, the correct way to handle someone who has bad ideas is to confront them with better ideas. It's not a 30-odd six round to the neck

Speaker 1 publicly where people are cheering. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 And they kept it vague. They keep it vague.
That's how it always works.

Speaker 1 It's like, well, I go, well,

Speaker 2 why are you posting on social media that you're happy about it or that you're not sad about it? Just tell me simply why you think that. And they go, well, because his ideas were dangerous.

Speaker 2 Super vague. Didn't say the ideas.
Didn't say how they're dangerous or why they're dangerous. It's always vague.

Speaker 1 Well, there's also a problem with clips.

Speaker 1 When you take sound bites, like very short clips out of context of what someone's saying, and then you highlight that one particular sentence and the way they said that sentence, you could frame someone in a very different way than who they really are.

Speaker 1 And I think there were some problems with some of the things that Charlie said, the way he said them, and in the fact that you could take it as a clip. And one of them was the idea of DEI pilots.

Speaker 1 Like the idea of any lowering of standards of anyone in a really important job, like a pilot, because a person is blank, fill in the blank, because they're a lesbian or because they're gay or because they're white or because they're Chinese or because they're black or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 If you're lowering standards because you want more people of one thing, well, you've just made the skies a little more dangerous.

Speaker 1 You made a very dangerous thing, which is flying, a little more dangerous. So his statement was because they're doing this and they're trying to get, they're using DEI to hire people.

Speaker 1 And when I get on a plane and I see a black pilot, I hope that they're qualified.

Speaker 2 Or he wonders. Yeah.
He said, I don't want, I hate that when I see a black pilot, my mind thinks, I wonder if they were part of a DEI hiring.

Speaker 1 Correct. Right.
That's, it's a problem in the way he said it. Right.
Instead of saying that that way, because

Speaker 1 what one of the things that I pointed out is that what DEI, especially in regards to education, the people that it discriminates the most against, like people say it's a white supremacist idea to

Speaker 1 be against DEI, the people that DEI discriminates the most against in education is Asians. Because Asians fucking kill it in universities.
They kill it.

Speaker 1 So much so that there was a giant lawsuit at Harvard because they were making their admission standards more difficult for Asian people than they were for white people, for black people, for everybody else.

Speaker 1 They made Asians more difficult because if they didn't, half of their fucking population in their classes would be Asian because they work harder. It's a cultural thing.

Speaker 1 You know, I grew up in Taekwondo and I grew up around a lot of Koreans.

Speaker 1 And, man, you haven't seen work ethic until you've seen first-generation Koreans who come over to America and, you know, they have those tiger moms and tiger dads. That's a real thing.
That's good.

Speaker 1 That is a fucking, I guess.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, for these sort of subjects.

Speaker 1 It's good for getting things. It's not great for trauma.
It's not great for those things, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's not. But if we're talking about the workforce or symphony,

Speaker 1 if it's just a meritocracy, if it's just a meritocracy, it's like who is the best student? Who is the best this? Who's the best that? Yeah, it's good for that.

Speaker 1 You know, but it's like, it's the same thing. It was like trying to be a champion.
Like, you can only redline for so long before you go fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 And the lack of balance between pleasure and struggle and discipline and fun. You have to balance.
If you want to have a good life, and ultimately, you're supposed to be enjoying your life.

Speaker 1 I don't think you could truly enjoy your life without some measure of discipline. I think discipline is important.
It's the reason why you can enjoy the relaxing moments because you earn them.

Speaker 1 You have to earn them.

Speaker 1 But I do think you should have them too. And when I was around a lot of Korean guys, like my friend Jungsek, I've talked about him before, but he was a national champion.

Speaker 1 When we were kids, he was not as talented as other people. He wasn't as fast.

Speaker 1 He didn't have any unusual genetic gifts that some people had. But that motherfucker worked so hard.
He was in residency, okay? So he was in medical school while he was on the national team.

Speaker 1 So he would go to school all day. And for workouts, sometimes he would take all his books, put them in his backpack, and run upstairs at the school.
Just run upstairs at the university.

Speaker 1 That's how he'd get some of his cardio in. And then he would come to the gym and he would be, you know, he'd come to the gym for nighttime training.

Speaker 1 We'd train at like six o'clock at night, seven o'clock at night, and he would be just drained. But he would fucking

Speaker 1 just dig in and get to it, man. And it was just,

Speaker 1 it's that mentality is why Asians do so well in school. Right.
It's like this pushing from their parents, the high pressure. And again, I don't think it's so good for you psychologically.

Speaker 1 I don't do that with my kids.

Speaker 1 My kids do very well in school, but they do very well in school because of the example that I and my wife set of be a nice person, work really hard, have discipline, do the stuff you're supposed to do, don't fuck off.

Speaker 1 You know, get the things done that you're supposed to do.

Speaker 1 But would they be able to compete with some kid who just came over here from China? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Which is why other countries like America so much is because they realize, oh, if I work as hard as I can, maybe in wherever they live,

Speaker 2 India or some of these other places, it's not a promise that they'll succeed.

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Speaker 1 This is where you see the hypocrisy of the education system, though, because they claim to be all about diversity.

Speaker 1 Asians are part of diversity. They're a small percentage of the population in America, but they're fucking killing it.
So they tried to hold them back. Right.
Because it's bullshit. That's a problem.

Speaker 1 Because in their mind, Asians don't complain as much.

Speaker 1 They get to work more. They're not the ones that are out there organizing

Speaker 1 and making signs. They're not doing that.
They're fucking working. They don't have time to be going to these rallies and cheering and chanting.
They fucking get to work.

Speaker 1 So because of that, they're not as represented when it comes to grievances. So

Speaker 1 you can get away with being racist against them. And you can get away with discriminating against them in higher education universities like Harvard, which is just crazy because it shows you're lying.

Speaker 1 You're not really caring about minorities. You're caring about very specific minorities because they give you social clout to represent and to fight for them.

Speaker 1 Like if you're fighting for black people, if you're fighting for trans people, those are the people that are really noisy and really loud. And if you're on their side.

Speaker 2 And you look good if you defend them. You're virtuous.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. That's what it is.
It's performative.

Speaker 2 I think about it every week almost. It sounds strange, but like it can, these kind of things consume me.
I don't have a wife and kids, you know? Like, I think about these things all day,

Speaker 2 but like, I think about it with

Speaker 2 like in our business, you know, like there are so many women who complain, like, oh, no girls on the lineup, or only two girls on the lineup. And I'm like, there's less of you.

Speaker 1 That's all it is.

Speaker 2 In fact, the fact that there's less of you in our industry is why you're able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts. So yes, it can feel like a boys' club because it is.

Speaker 2 There's plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian, like putting up with these comedy club owners or working the road or like it is there's fans being creepy with creepy fans.

Speaker 1 They're different.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 2 And I'm sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through.

Speaker 2 But if they just don't understand the numbers, like there's, there's girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at the improv and the laugh factory and the comedy store who have been doing it a few years.

Speaker 2 And then there's guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who us, you know, subjectively are very, very funny and fun, subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny.

Speaker 2 And they can't get any spots at these places because we need more women comics.

Speaker 2 I mean, we need more diverse lineups.

Speaker 1 They've literally said that. We have too many white male comics.
I've heard it my whole career. It's crazy.
It's too crazy to say.

Speaker 2 I was in Boston, and there was this long line for this festival and all this thing.

Speaker 2 It was to submit, like to do audition.

Speaker 2 It was during last comic standing times, so they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, look how many people are here to try out for our festival.

Speaker 2 And someone came out and goes, listen, if you're a straight white guy, you better be real different.

Speaker 2 And all of us just cut, because Boston, we're all straight white guys. And I just remember being like, well, that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit.
Like, what does that imply?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I only know about my circumstances.

Speaker 2 I can't have, I can't. One time my agent said to Miss Timmy, he was bragging about one of his clients.
And he was like, Jeff, listen, man.

Speaker 2 I got this one client. He's handsome.

Speaker 2 His parents are deaf.

Speaker 1 He's black.

Speaker 2 He's got all these great things that make him very interesting for the industry. I think you're going to have to reinvent yourself or something.
I was like, I can't make things up.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 1 I'm a white guy. It's just Hollywood.
Yeah. And Hollywood's influence with the long tentacles of the octopus.
But we don't do that in Texas. Like, in the mothership, it's a meritocracy.

Speaker 1 And because it's a meritocracy, it's very diverse. Yeah.
You got a lot of women on the lineup. You got a lot of all kinds of people, a lot of gay people.

Speaker 1 And the one thing that people keep saying about the comedy mothership is, oh, it's a right-wing comedy club. The vast majority of comics at my club are left-wing.
The vast majority. Yeah, no, I can

Speaker 2 personally vouch for that. Yeah, yeah.
They're artists.

Speaker 1 But they're reasonable lefties. Yeah, they're kind of people.

Speaker 2 Who can sit in a room with a comic who doesn't agree with their politics and still just be human? Like, that's a great.

Speaker 1 We should all aspire to that. And that's what we aspire to at that club.
Like, we don't tolerate any bullshit, ideologically, one side or the other. It's not supposed to be about that.

Speaker 1 It's supposed to be about the art form. And, you know, there's

Speaker 1 shit. A lot of my fucking friends are like far left.
I don't care. Are you nice? Are you cool? Do you have interesting thoughts? Can we have conversations? I'm down with that.

Speaker 1 But there's this propensity, this thing that people do where they just decide

Speaker 1 you have a different ideology than me, so you're the enemy. And I think that is one of the stupidest things you could do as a human being.
It's weak.

Speaker 1 It's simple.

Speaker 1 You're doing something that's just too convenient.

Speaker 1 And you're doing it because you know it'll be supported by a bunch of other fucking morons because we're in a TikTok generation where most people don't have nuanced perspectives on things.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like I am a Christian, right? I've been a Christian since I was in my young 20s. I talk about it in my act.
I talk about it in my life. And guess what?

Speaker 2 I have never once crashed out because of my Seattle comedian friends going on stage and calling Christians idiots or racists or fools or dummies.

Speaker 2 I've never once gone, I can't share a green room with someone who would espouse that type of hatred towards my faith, right? Never once. I've heard every joke about straight white males.

Speaker 2 I've heard every, and I'm nice and I can get laughs and I'm pleasant to be around in these comedy clubs.

Speaker 1 But that's why you're doing well.

Speaker 2 Right. And I'm now.

Speaker 1 And I am. But you're doing well because you became undeniable.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's the real meritocracy aspect of comedy is that if you kill, if the audience laughs and people keep coming to see you, you have an audience. Right.

Speaker 1 And the one thing that drives a lot of people crazy is I've done all the right things and no one comes to see see me because you forgot the one thing you might have been doing the right thing you forgot the one thing be funny that's it you fell into all the easy stuff all the easy stuff is align yourself with the group all the group think all the fucking chant all the right stuff say all the right things say things that don't even make sense right but so that you appear well that's what i'm saying is that like that's when

Speaker 2 the second i got passed at the comedy store

Speaker 2 multiple comics went to the to the booker and was like he shouldn't be here do you he does jokes about gay people and he does jokes about he's like yeah yeah i do guess what and they kill and i get laughs and i'm but again i'm you can still come up to me and talk to me and like i'm i'm not i i like everybody i like trans people i have a plenty of gay friends i i i you know

Speaker 2 you have jokes about straight people too and you are one of them that's the thing it's also fun to be naughty isn't it yeah i love women but i trash them pretty hard in my act you know and so the only reason i was bringing all that up is that, like, I feel like I've never once gone, I can't talk to someone because of their stand-up comedy.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to go to the improv and go, Mary Lynn Reiskib shouldn't be allowed here because what she said about Charlie Kirk, and I was offended.

Speaker 1 I bet if you had a conversation with her about it, an actual conversation, it would be very reasonable.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because people are people, and we should be able to share these spaces with these people no matter what we think. I'm not so far right or so far Christian that I go, I can't be in the same room.

Speaker 1 That's what cult people think also have you had a conversation with her and confronted her with the reality of what that guy had said right and some of the conversations that he had with both trans people people of color all kinds he was a very kind person 100 the problem is you don't look kind when there's clips and the clips show you saying something aren't you afraid of that yeah oh yeah and you listen i'm kind of a little bit

Speaker 1 inoculated against that because I have so many hours of me talking. So did did he?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but in a different way. Where people are listening to me having these three-hour conversations.
It's like, it's kind of hard to label me to anybody who's paying attention.

Speaker 1 And it's just the, it's also the benefit of having the biggest platform in the world. Right.
Like, it's like, there's enough people that have seen so many shows that, like, I know who that guy is.

Speaker 1 That's not who that guy is.

Speaker 2 I think you're giving them a lot of grace because you have to.

Speaker 1 Because people go, aren't you afraid of AI?

Speaker 2 No, not afraid of AI. What I'm afraid of is clips, short context things.
Even recently, I did Howie Mandel's podcast, and I

Speaker 2 got asked for the millionth time about the Mark Maron thing. And I was like, What, dude, the good part of that Mark Maron story is that we buried it.
I think. Who knows?

Speaker 2 It'll rear its head again, I'm sure. Not with that guy.

Speaker 1 There's no burying anything.

Speaker 2 I know, but like, I was like, How about that story?

Speaker 2 Tell that story, Howie, that we shook hands at the comedy store and were able to share a stage and share, not stage, but share a a room full of stages and um

Speaker 2 it just howie's howie mandel's team just posted the thing so you know all the comments are like jeff dog can't stop talking about mark maron again and like that's what i'm saying is that charlie kirk's guilty of or not guilty of it but a victim of it um this this short

Speaker 2 real thing that is out of context is not a three-hour conversation no one's listening to trump in long form no one listened to charlie kirk in long form the people that were informed did but i'm saying

Speaker 2 the everyday person is kind of just kind of collecting these excerpts and then forming a groupthink about those excerpts, and the groupthink becomes their reality.

Speaker 1 That's very true.

Speaker 2 And I'm afraid of that for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's true in some ways, but it also benefits you in some ways, too. It's like there's good and bad.
Like there's little things that you'll say that are funny that make it into clips.

Speaker 1 And that's good, too. It's like the thing, like I was talking to Tony about this because we were talking about people that complain about his show and talk shit about his show.

Speaker 1 I go, dude, they work for you. They don't realize it, but they work for you.
They're the publicity arm, the negative publicity arm for the Kill Tony show.

Speaker 1 You don't worry about it and don't care. You can't, you know.

Speaker 2 Write a book on that.

Speaker 2 Teach me how to not care.

Speaker 1 You just got to get to a point where you don't have to care anymore. Like, it's not going to affect you.
You know what I mean? Like, but that's...

Speaker 1 But if you're in that position where I'm in that kind of sort of, you're not totally ever in that position, but you're much more in that position than the average person, it's your duty to not care.

Speaker 1 It's your duty to set an example and to say, look, you're supposed to be, when you get to the top, you're not supposed to be mean and like defend it and push everybody down.

Speaker 1 You're supposed to lift everybody up and be what you would hope the guy at the top would be.

Speaker 1 Be supportive, try to help other people's careers, try to promote them, tell everybody how cool they are, tell everybody how funny they are, tell everybody good things that you know instead of complaining all the time about it about everything find cool shit and inform people about it tell people cool shit that you've seen cool restaurants you've been to cool music you've listened to cool people you met do that that's what I try to do and that that's my

Speaker 1 I that is my obligation, I think, in having the top podcast. You have to set an example that's beneficial for not just me, but for everybody.
Sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 don't care as much. Don't care as much about haters.

Speaker 1 You're going to have haters. The idea that you're not going to have people that hate you is crazy.
Fucking, you could get like the one of the things that I know from MMA.

Speaker 1 The greatest fighters, the best guys in their prime, there's going to be guys coming up that say he ain't shit. I'll fuck him up.
I'll take him out in one round.

Speaker 1 There's always that. He's got no defense.
He's got no chin. He's got no heart.
He's only good when he's winning. As soon as it gets turned on him, he's going to fold.
There's always someone talking.

Speaker 1 And if you live your life constantly responding to those people,

Speaker 1 it's a waste of that 100. That 100 units of attention and focus that you have.
You got to protect that.

Speaker 1 You got to guard that 100 units, man. Don't let anybody steal your units with a comment on YouTube.

Speaker 2 And it's never in real life for me.

Speaker 2 Right. It's never in real life.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the problem.

Speaker 2 I have to open this shit

Speaker 2 before I spiral out.

Speaker 2 Even in my town of Los Angeles, you know, people go, Why yeah, this fucking dump. And then I uh, and then I'm walking around in Sherman Oaks.

Speaker 2 I've got my coffee, I'm seeing dogs, I'm seeing hot chicks.

Speaker 1 I'm like Brees is like, Man, what's up, Jeff?

Speaker 2 Like, I've friends with you, beautiful weather, yeah, wherever I go, like, because I go to the same spots, and I never talk to everyone.

Speaker 2 So, like, I've accumulated all these people who go, oh, we know that community is the best, or whatever, like, in my little community, but then I turn on my phone.

Speaker 2 You know, you see this Obam Baba Dome guy, he's a Muslim, he's gonna ruin New York.

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Speaker 2 Okay. And then I start going, yeah, yeah, what the hell is going on with it?

Speaker 1 I think New York is due for a little socialist wake-up call. Oh, yeah, they'll wake up.
These things are going to be.

Speaker 1 They're going to have 5,000 police officers have threatened to resign.

Speaker 2 Don't you think New York is a deserving?

Speaker 1 Is that true? Is that true? Find out if that number is true. Because here's the problem with those kind of things.
It's like right-wing people post stuff like that. And you're like, is that real?

Speaker 1 You know, are they really going to defund the police? Are they really going to, you know, have somebody else? I am buying a house here. Are you? In Texas? Yep.
Yeehaw.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like about 30, 40 minutes from here.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 2 You're already locked on it? No, but I'm shopping for houses on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Oh, tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Oh, tomorrow. I got a good lady.

Speaker 1 If you need one, she's the best.

Speaker 2 I'll have a chick who's pretty good. She's like the number one in Arizona.

Speaker 1 Arizona's not Texas.

Speaker 2 I know, but she has all these contacts.

Speaker 1 Also, I just know her. Okay.
So that helps. Okay.

Speaker 1 It's good to be loyal.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And she found a bunch of good stuff

Speaker 2 about 40 minutes from from here.

Speaker 1 Well, that's good too 40 minutes from here out in like Tripping Springs area. It's quiet.
That's what I want. I want to quiet night here.

Speaker 2 I want to go to a lake

Speaker 1 You know be able to like

Speaker 2 I'm kind of in this kind of LA thing

Speaker 2 and this I'm I could be guilty of of being a victim of like what I'm absorbing in my algorithm But like Gavin Newsom scares the shit out of me and I I'm I'm

Speaker 2 I don't want to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He wants to run the whole country, too.

Speaker 1 Pretty wild.

Speaker 2 And the fires were quite a wake-up call.

Speaker 2 Even if, you know, whatever you believe about the fires, the way it was dealt with was pretty scary.

Speaker 1 It was not competent. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 Even the aftermath. Yeah.
It was not competent.

Speaker 1 The conversations about talking to different developers about doing stuff with the land and different

Speaker 1 speculators. Like, what do you...

Speaker 2 Well, we'll make a smart town. You're like, that's kind of what the conspiracy people were saying before this stuff happened.

Speaker 1 You see when he's doing a little dance in front of burnt houses? Like, that is. Are you a sociopath? Because that's how sociopaths behave.

Speaker 1 They're not totally broken up by the fact that a giant chunk of your city burnt to the ground. Did 5,000 people resign? I don't think they say they threatened to resign.

Speaker 1 There's no credible evidence that 5,000 peace officers resigned. Okay, why don't you say, did they threaten to resign? I did when I typed it in Google and I got the same answers.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 In perplexity, it says, did 5,000 people resign? No.

Speaker 1 What actually happened, official data and statements from NYPD representatives confirmed there has been no mass walkout, while police union leaders and some critics have warned of a potential wave of resignations or feared attrition.

Speaker 1 See, that was the thing. Social media posts alleging 5,000 officers, I didn't see any that said resign.

Speaker 1 I saw something that said are threatening to resign.

Speaker 1 Go back to where I was reading.

Speaker 1 Once they have been debunked as rumors or satire.

Speaker 1 NYPD has about

Speaker 1 33,745 uniform officers as of late 2025 with staffing down only slightly from the previous year.

Speaker 1 So it's like maybe it's one of those things where someone talked to some people and they said, I know a lot of guys. Right.
A lot of guys are threatening to resign.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, that's a serious thing to talk about anyways, whether it's true or not on the numbers. Like, it's not a fun time to be a police officer.
For the last, like,

Speaker 2 pre-Black Lives Matter, I knew I've, I know, a lot of cops just in my life. I used to perform once a year for their like Christmas thing at the LAPD.
Great audience members.

Speaker 2 You want to talk about good audience members? Police, military, nurses, anyone who deals with real life, very good audience members. They can take a joke.
Yeah, oh, great at taking jokes.

Speaker 2 And they need to see the humor in life, you know? Like,

Speaker 2 they're looking for a clown to laugh at because they deal with real shit. But that aside,

Speaker 2 in the last eight years, when cops cops tell me they're cops at shows, it's like, hey, you know, I'm a police officer. And I'm like, what's with this embarrassment?

Speaker 2 Like, why do you feel like you need to be like an undercover police officer when you're like,

Speaker 1 whisper it? Yeah, why?

Speaker 2 I like cops. I think that they're great.
They have to go into someone's worst day of their life every day.

Speaker 1 Anytime you've ever had to call a cop, it's not a great day.

Speaker 2 It's not a great thing that's happening. And they have to enter someone's worst day every 15 minutes or every hour.
And I have a tremendous amount of respect for people that do that.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 they feel ashamed to be a cop because they've been vaguely blanketed as like oppressors or racist or some sort of power-hungry bad guys.

Speaker 2 And that's probably a little worse in NYPD right now as far as being in the city with what's going on.

Speaker 2 So I imagine there's a lot of people who are threatening the same way whenever someone's president isn't the president they want. They go, I'm going to move.

Speaker 1 They make those kind of threats. Some people do move.
Yeah, some people do.

Speaker 2 A lot of rich guys are really getting out of it. I respect Rosie Nellen for that.
Don't you respect that?

Speaker 1 Every celebrity says they're going to leave.

Speaker 1 Well, it's dumb that they left because now they just can't vote.

Speaker 1 You're living in Ireland.

Speaker 2 But at least they said what they were going to do.

Speaker 1 You're living in England, and then your neighbors in England don't like you either.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because they're like, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Well, that's true. But at least they left.
They've got to move to a new place in England.

Speaker 2 Hundreds of celebrities said they would leave and didn't.

Speaker 1 That's true. Yeah, there's always a lot of that.
A lot of people said they were going to move to Canada. Great.
Good luck with that.

Speaker 2 But now you're just America light?

Speaker 1 Well, you're America communist. Now.

Speaker 2 Canada's nuts. But now you're

Speaker 2 still reliant on America.

Speaker 1 I know a sat that I wanted to look up that I just read. I put this into perplexity.
One out of 20 deaths last year,

Speaker 1 I read this article that was saying was assisted suicide. That can't be true.
That can't be true.

Speaker 2 Where'd you see it?

Speaker 1 Because Kino Canada has an assisted suicide program, a national assisted suicide program.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Can you imagine if there's some corruption in that? Holy

Speaker 1 crap. There's corruption in everything, Jeff.
Everything.

Speaker 1 Everything.

Speaker 1 That's fucking thing. There's corruption in religion.

Speaker 1 Right? There's corruption in science. There's corruption in medicine.

Speaker 2 Which becomes a great excuse to not be a part of those things, you know?

Speaker 2 Oh, I won't even question if I was, if I have a creator because there's fouled people in the church.

Speaker 1 You're like, that's so stupid. Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's accurate for Canada.

Speaker 1 Wow. No, no, not in America.
Yeah, just yet. Canada.

Speaker 1 Let me see the,

Speaker 1 so the perplexity. Look at this.
This is crazy.

Speaker 1 Medical assistance in dying, known as MAID, also

Speaker 1 known as assisted suicide or euthanasia, accounted for approximately 4.7%

Speaker 1 of all deaths in Canada.

Speaker 2 That's wild.

Speaker 1 That is so crazy.

Speaker 2 How do we get more specific? Like, what would be an example of, like,

Speaker 1 we'll read into it. This proportion is equivalent to about one in 20 deaths across the country.
That is so fucking insane. One out of 20 people who die in Canada are getting assisted suicide.

Speaker 1 How many of those fucking people you could have given mushrooms to?

Speaker 1 They could have had an Ibergain journey. Maybe they could have fucking done something differently with their life to get them out of depression.

Speaker 1 How many of them could have gotten alternative medical treatments that have dealt with their condition?

Speaker 1 So what are the conditions?

Speaker 1 Did you put that in there, James? The average age of them is 77.

Speaker 1 So they're actually old.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is old. But however, you know, my mom's 80.
She's great.

Speaker 1 Like, what's going on?

Speaker 1 She doesn't want to.

Speaker 1 But what is it?

Speaker 1 Just because you're 77, are you not enjoying life? Or is it

Speaker 1 one out of 20 people are dying of a terminal illness? And I am being short-sighted because I'm not thinking, they're like going to die soon anyway. They choose to die on their own.
Is that the case?

Speaker 1 Track one is natural death is reasonably foreseeable, and track two is not reasonably foreseeable for natural death. Right.

Speaker 1 So, track two recipients, this is where it gets weird because some of them were chronically obese, some of them were chronically depressed.

Speaker 1 They were doing it for people that don't really have a disease.

Speaker 1 So, what are the parameters? Let's put put this, ask a follow-up. What do you have to have wrong with you to qualify for MAID in Canada? Let's just ask that.
How do you qualify for MAID?

Speaker 1 Because if it's just you're depressed, that's scary.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. Right.
And

Speaker 2 very irresponsible. If you have cancer and they're trying to just like, I'm done with my fight, please help me.

Speaker 1 Right. Is what track one is.

Speaker 2 We're talking about track two.

Speaker 1 Be at least 18 years old and capable of making health care decisions. Be eligible for publicly funded health service.
Okay, that's normal.

Speaker 1 Voluntary request, informed consent, have a serious and incurable illness, disease, or disability causing enduring and intolerable suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions acceptable to the person.

Speaker 1 But that's the key word, the key phrase there: acceptable to the person is interesting. Be in an advanced state of irreversible decline and capability.
Okay, are people with depression?

Speaker 1 Just write severe. Are people with severe severe depression eligible for MAID? Write that.

Speaker 1 Severe depression. Because a lot of people would say that is an incurable disease.

Speaker 1 Where would we be without the red squiggly line? I don't know how to spell anything.

Speaker 2 I can't spell anything ever. I never have been.

Speaker 1 Jimmy, you're rolling the dice with eligible? Ed knows a little bit. You're an animal.

Speaker 1 In Canada, people whose sole underlying medical condition is severe depression or any other mental illness are currently not eligible for medical assistance in dying.

Speaker 1 This temporary exclusion includes psychiatric conditions like depression and personality disorders. The law excludes eligibility from MAID on the basis of mental illness alone in March 17, 2027.

Speaker 1 However, people with mental illnesses may be eligible if they have a grievous, grievous, grievous, or

Speaker 1 irremediable. Boy, that's a word.
Have you ever said that word? Irremediable?

Speaker 1 Irremediable. I've never said that word.

Speaker 1 Physical, but I've never even seen that. Irremediable?

Speaker 1 Physical health condition that meets MAIDS criteria. The government has delayed eligibility expansion for mental illness due to concerns around safety and appropriate safeguards.

Speaker 1 When MAID for mental illness

Speaker 1 becomes legal, they say it like it was.

Speaker 2 27 March.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. That's what I'd read.
Okay, this was the issue. So they were going to.
Okay. The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone until March 17, 2027.

Speaker 1 So there's a year and a few months. And then these people are eligible for this.
As of 2025, severe depression alone does not qualify.

Speaker 1 So what it seems like is a lot of people that are just not doing well. It's the end of their life.
And they're like, I'd like to go out on my own terms. That's fair.

Speaker 1 I don't want to just walk into a library with a 44 and make people clean up.

Speaker 2 Or they go, I'm a financial burden on my family.

Speaker 1 Right. Or those kind of things.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 When you're an old person, you feel a little guilt that, like, ah, my kids are.

Speaker 1 That's true. And also, sometimes people, like, one of their loved ones dies and they don't want to be alone.
They just can't. They've been with this person for 45 years.

Speaker 2 My dad just died, and my mom is not doing great with the. I mean, she's been with him since she was 17.

Speaker 1 It's very hard. My grandfather died one year after my grandmother died, and he was fine up until then.
And it was just like the grief was just intolerable.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and she's feeling a lot of guilt because he was kind of uh cognitively

Speaker 2 i don't know i don't know how to say it politely he was just kind of not not himself for the last like year and so when he passed

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 my mom did feel a little relief like you know oh yeah i'm kind of his caretaker right right and so then feel guilt about the about the relief you know you know i don't want to feel relieved that someone that i'm that i've known my whole life is gone and and then now trying to mourn that you know it's it's very, very complicated.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 that's real hard when someone has dementia or Alzheimer's or anything along those lines.

Speaker 2 The patience that these people have to work with dementia and those kind of, even an eating disorder, is,

Speaker 2 you know, you can't really communicate it to the person when they have this body dysmorphia or anything. Like something as simple as that.

Speaker 2 Those people are saints that can work with

Speaker 2 anybody cognitively or like any kind of like dysphoria. Like that's, that's, I mean, I, I, those are heroes to me because I don't have the patience for it.
I'm very like direct.

Speaker 2 I'm very, like, want to have a good time. Like, I'm not good at being like, how don't you see this?

Speaker 1 Apparently, there's some really promising treatments for dementia and Alzheimer's.

Speaker 1 One of them, I wonder, it's dementia or Alzheimer's, was the supplement of supplementation with selenium. See if you can find what that is.

Speaker 1 It's one of those things I glanced at quickly, and I was like, I better not.

Speaker 2 You probably shouldn't say this on here, but

Speaker 2 there's a beautiful, great woman named Lydia who I've been hanging out with, and her mom

Speaker 2 had some sort of dementia or something like this.

Speaker 2 And she gave, their family had a real long debate about what the doctor recommended. It was shock therapy.

Speaker 1 And it worked. Really?

Speaker 2 It works for now, I guess. Like, at least, like, they're all going, wait, now she's...
Saying, didn't you just come over last week? And we talked about that. Like, she's having things.

Speaker 2 Like, that's why I'm saying, I don't know if I should say it on here because there was a positive outcome of the shock therapy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's funny because someone just sent me a link to a documentary on shock therapy that it was a negative thing. He believed they're still doing shock therapy, right?

Speaker 1 And I said, like, I don't know much about that. Yeah, you know, the only shock therapy I've ever heard was like you hear about the horror stories.
I don't know. Right.
One flew over the cuckoo's nest.

Speaker 2 Those are lumbotomies, though, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think that was a shock therapy thing.

Speaker 2 Oh, I thought those were lumbotomies. Well,

Speaker 1 might be.

Speaker 2 It might be. Those we've all agreed.
Although, dude, they were doing them long after they were out.

Speaker 1 They did them forever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because those guys wanted money.

Speaker 1 I think it was like the year I was born or the year before I was born. They stopped doing them.

Speaker 2 I heard all these stories about there would be like people who would still,

Speaker 2 you know, on the fringes of it because they didn't want to shut down their practice. So they'd be like, hey, you know, we'll still give it to you.

Speaker 1 Like power and abortion. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they would be like, this authoritarian government's not even letting people have lumbotomies, but we'll still do it. I'm the doctor that'll still do it.

Speaker 1 It's lobotomy. Is it?

Speaker 2 Am I saying it?

Speaker 1 I think it should say lobbotomy.

Speaker 2 Dude, you know what, Joe? For a big part of my life,

Speaker 2 I thought it was Sarah Bell's palsy.

Speaker 1 Hold up. What did you just say? The movie was shock therapy.
Yeah, it was. No, it was.

Speaker 2 And the...

Speaker 1 Sarah Bell's palsy?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so we're watching this game or something, and the guy looked crazy, and I go, looks like he's got Sarah Bell's palsy.

Speaker 1 My friend, no one laughed. No one laughed.

Speaker 2 Which is a good comedy note, is that if you say a thing wrong or it's a false premise or something, no one's on board with it but if you say it around comedians well i said around a bunch of people watching football i go it looks like he's got a sarah bells palsy and everyone just looked at me and then my friend katie's like did you say sarah bells and i was like wasn't that what it is she's like cerebral palsy and i was like i don't know

Speaker 1 i've never seen the movie so i don't know how it ended it says they discovered at the end he had been lobotomized it's right in the big chief guy was uh lobotomized that's the plot of the movie the big boy yeah oh so he was lobotomized but was jack nicholson supposedly lobotomized as well they were just in a cuckoo house yeah but at the the end,

Speaker 1 shock therapy here.

Speaker 1 Right, they did shock therapy, but remember at the end, he was like totally docile. Maybe they were letting you know he got lobotomized too.
Probably.

Speaker 1 They did that forever. When did they stop doing lobotomies? Wasn't it like 67?

Speaker 2 Please, lumbotomy.

Speaker 1 Lumbotomies. When they stopped doing lobotomies.

Speaker 2 This is a thing I have.

Speaker 1 What year was it?

Speaker 2 I love to talk about plenty of things I know and don't know about.

Speaker 1 It's fun.

Speaker 1 The one doctor did almost all of them. Wow.
He did one-third of them. That's a lot.
How many did he do? How rich was he? Let's say he had some success. What was his net worth?

Speaker 1 I bet he had a nice music. I bet he had a huge amount of money.
Yeah, one-third of his 3,500 lobotomies performed were successful, and 490 resulted in fatalities. Wait, hold on.
He killed 490 people

Speaker 2 scrambling their brains. Which ones were successful?

Speaker 1 They weren't

Speaker 1 perfect.

Speaker 1 What does that mean?

Speaker 1 Billy just drools. Now he doesn't fuck the dog out.

Speaker 2 He's not annoying us with his

Speaker 2 undiagnosed autism.

Speaker 2 Now he just sits there.

Speaker 1 It's not successful. Hey, he doesn't fuck the dog anymore.
It's a success. That's the guy? Oh, that fucking creepy looking psycho.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ, that's how they did it. They went right through the fucking eyeball.

Speaker 2 I thought they went through the nose.

Speaker 1 No, they go through the nether way. They could do both, probably.

Speaker 1 I thought they always.

Speaker 1 Oh, there's the nose.

Speaker 2 That's the one I knew.

Speaker 1 They do both ways through the nose, through the fucking eyeball. Fucking God damn it.
And in the end, look, he's happy. Oh, I thought he was giving a a thumbs up.
He was a mess.

Speaker 1 I thought he was going, hell yeah. He's like, I feel great.
Imagine if they just scrambled it a little. Oh, so it's like you're just on ecstasy all day.
Wee, I love everybody.

Speaker 2 I will say the first time I did mushrooms, I was like, because my buddy's like, the cool thing about mushrooms is that you don't want, it's not like cocaine or, or E or anything.

Speaker 2 You're not going to become like addicted to mushrooms. You're not going to do mushrooms every day.
And then the second I did mushrooms, I was sitting in the chair and I was like, you guys were wrong.

Speaker 1 And they're like, what?

Speaker 2 I go, I just want to feel like this all the time. Like, like, you lost your mind.
Like, this is the right state of being for me. Like, it's the best.

Speaker 1 It should be legal.

Speaker 2 It's the best drug.

Speaker 1 It's better at making people better people than anything. Yes.

Speaker 2 All they wanted to do,

Speaker 2 and still since then, is like, let's just talk and connect and like, let's find a way.

Speaker 1 Let's be nice.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's be good.

Speaker 1 Let's be nice to each other. Nobel Prize for the

Speaker 1 same doctor, but a different doctor. Oh, okay.
Wait, Nobel Prize. That'd make people go ahead and get it, right? So they started getting getting him in 35, and then in 49, Dr.

Speaker 1 Moniz won the Nobel Prize for it.

Speaker 1 And so Dr. Freeman was the guy who did one-third of them.
Yeah, he made it a 10-minute procedure. Nice.
In and out. Nice.
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Speaker 1 I'll have the kids drooling in the parking lot at 11.35. It's like a chiropractor.

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Speaker 1 I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors. Oh, really? There's been a ton of those stories.
Do you ever go to them? You're a fine-time.

Speaker 1 Are you a body guy?

Speaker 1 No, I don't go to them anymore. I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn.
You know, when they say, I'm a doctor,

Speaker 1 they don't go to medical school for three seconds.

Speaker 2 That's why I hate all those arguments of authority. You're not a scientist.
You're not a...

Speaker 1 It's like, well, neither are they, kind of. But, like, something.
it was invented by a magnetic healer who was a kook, who learned about it in a seance. He was a complete kook.

Speaker 1 And then he was killed by his son, who was a con man. His son ran him over with a car, and then his son took over the business.

Speaker 1 And that's that, and then it got grandfathered in.

Speaker 2 And he wanted no BLPs, Brian.

Speaker 1 But it got grandfathered in. But here's the thing.
Manipulating the body in a positive way, like adjusting you, has some benefits. Deep tissue massage has a lot of benefits, like manipulating tissue.

Speaker 1 I get a trigger point massage, it's really painful, but it's very effective.

Speaker 1 There's real benefits to it. So there's things that chiropractors do that do have like a real beneficial effect on your body being able to recover.

Speaker 1 But the claims, at least in the beginning, are nuts. The initial claims, it's going to cure leukemia or thyroid cancer, just going to adjust your back.
It's a C4, C5, disconnection, a pop.

Speaker 1 And then they grab you and yank your neck. That's so scary.

Speaker 1 And sometimes people have fucking hemorrhages from these things because they violently yank your neck and a blood vessel pops, and you have a fucking stroke.

Speaker 1 And that's not happened just once, it's happened a bunch of times.

Speaker 2 I grew up playing video games, too, where I and watching all these action movies, you know, and I thought that just twisting a guy's head, like, you know, like you kill him, you think that's all it took, you know?

Speaker 2 Like, I snuck up behind that guy in the video game, and just that's all I did.

Speaker 1 You know what? A chiropractor is a damn thing.

Speaker 2 He's doing all day.

Speaker 1 You ever seen him do it to babies? No. Oh, my God.
It's so so crazy.

Speaker 1 People that are like full-on nuts have their babies brought to a chiropractor, and the chiropractor is adjusting the baby's skull and moving the baby somewhere.

Speaker 1 Yo!

Speaker 2 Your parental ideas of like they're all scrapped. Like you're supposed to keep it safe.

Speaker 1 The idea of handing it to a chiropractor. They believe it.
They believe it. And so they think they're doing a good thing.

Speaker 2 Jamie, am I allowed to ask Jamie to bring things up?

Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck you.

Speaker 2 Jamie, can you bring up some

Speaker 2 dog chiropractors? Have you seen this? Yeah, I've seen it. And the dogs look at the chiropractor like, what'd you just do? But also, I do feel a little bit bitter.
The dog's so sweet about it.

Speaker 1 Like, I think I'm good, actually. You got to get the right dog.

Speaker 2 A lot of pit bulls because they're all strong and shit. And so, like, they'll just adjust it.
Yeah. I've seen like montages of it, and it's pretty adorable.

Speaker 1 What is he going to do to this dog's neck? Please don't. I already did it.
I'll start it over. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 And look at the dog looking up at him.

Speaker 1 I don't think you need to do that to that dog. I don't think that's necessary.
Watch this.

Speaker 2 Look at the way he looks at him.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing. Like, what studies are they showing where where this is all good? That's a Belgian Malamois, bro.
That thing might be a bad thing. I can't hear it, but it goes face.

Speaker 1 I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that does anything. I don't know if that's good.
I think if you got your dog a massage, it would be really good for them.

Speaker 1 But I think all that snapping of the popping, like, are you loosening it up and making it more mobile? Well, if that's the case, you can do that with spinal decompression and massage.

Speaker 2 I have this thing that's- I've been doing this with my friends' dogs, and they've been loving it.

Speaker 1 I put this thing on my neck. I'm like, don't do that.
You're gonna get get bitch.

Speaker 1 I put this thing on my head. It goes underneath my chin.
It's got a like a rope. Oh, yeah.
A hoop that hangs on my chin-up bar.

Speaker 2 And I just have seen them advertise it because you use it.

Speaker 1 Oh, there you go. Oh, look at this.

Speaker 1 He's giving his dog a back crack.

Speaker 1 Oh, bro.

Speaker 2 That's the camel's clutch, dude.

Speaker 1 Lucky that dog is sweet. He's letting you do your nonsense.

Speaker 2 Dude, this guy.

Speaker 1 Dogs just love getting rubbed.

Speaker 2 That's all it is, yeah. Yeah, they love it.
That's all petting is kind of a massage, you know?

Speaker 1 That's what they love. They love massages.
They don't have to to pretend they don't. You love massages, too.
Everybody does.

Speaker 2 We don't have to ask them about that. They like it.

Speaker 1 If we were like dogs, everybody would just lie down on the floor and let people rub them. Yeah, it'd be fine.
You come over to my house, dude. Marshall will lie down immediately and let you rub him.

Speaker 2 That's my favorite thing about dogs.

Speaker 1 He assumes you want to rub his belly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, dogs don't go, this guy's probably a...

Speaker 1 Who do you vote for?

Speaker 2 Dogs aren't ever worried. My dog, go up to like a homeless.
They don't care.

Speaker 1 What's up, homeless guy?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he loves them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're the best.

Speaker 1 We don't deserve them. But I don't think they should go to a chiropractor.
But the people that think that you should bring your doctor, it's because they believe in the chiropractors.

Speaker 1 There's a great article called chiropractors are bullshit.

Speaker 1 Pull that article up. The lady who wrote it was on the podcast and she I I read the article and then I had her explain it to me.
Yeah. It was back in LA.
And I was like, oh, this is a nutty thing.

Speaker 1 I thought they were doctors.

Speaker 1 I thought they were actual doctors.

Speaker 2 I went to one of those ones. It's called the joint.
And you know, you can just like you can just walk in and they'll do it. And this is I think a lot of it for me was placebo.

Speaker 2 Like, I just thought, like, oh, they told me this is good for me, so I'm doing it. You know, I wasn't having pain or anything.

Speaker 1 Yves Detremont is the lady who was on the podcast that wrote this article, but it's crazy.

Speaker 2 I like the title.

Speaker 1 It's a crazy. It's very direct.
When you read the story of how it was invented, you're like, this is nuts. Because it's one of those things that's just grandfathered in.

Speaker 1 And if you're allowed to be a doctor, like, we should be doctors of comedy. Wouldn't you like to be Dr.
Jeff?

Speaker 2 Jeff MD, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm. Oh, wait, not MD.
What would it be? But you're giving people laughter, which is the best medicine. Sure.
So I think we should get doctors of comedy.

Speaker 1 Maybe we should do that at the mothership, just start handing out doctorates of comedy.

Speaker 2 That's how you get past, kind of.

Speaker 1 You headline, you do your first theater tour.

Speaker 2 I'll give you a doctorate. I worked under Ron White, and then I got my...

Speaker 1 I mentored under Ron White.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Ron White was patient zero here.
Because Ron moved out here before the pandemic. Really? Yeah, he's the reason why I decided to move out here.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, Ron and I have been real close forever. And knowing him from the comedy store, he was always like one of the coolest guys to hang out with.
He's the best dude. He's the best.

Speaker 1 And so we were hanging out in the back bar and he was telling me he's moving to Texas. I go, what? What are you doing? You're here.
Don't go. This is nuts.
He's like, oh, it's the best.

Speaker 1 He goes, I want to keep my house out here in Beverly Hills, but this fucking place is the food's the best. The people are nice.
If I want to fly, I'm in the middle. It's three hours here, three hours.

Speaker 1 And I was like, damn, he's got a good point. So when the shit started getting weird in L.A.
and they were burning cop cars on the freeway, that's when daddy was like,

Speaker 1 I got to get out of here. You know, because

Speaker 1 my kids are little, you know, 10 and 12 at the time, the little ones. And I was like, this is dangerous.
And we all agreed, like, it just doesn't feel right.

Speaker 1 I don't feel like they're going to open this up. I think this is bullshit.

Speaker 2 Let's get the fuck out of here. It's not like you're an actor.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Right.
Exactly. I was like,

Speaker 2 you acted, but you weren't an actor.

Speaker 1 I wasn't interested in doing it anymore.

Speaker 1 And we were flying a lot of the guests out anyway. And I was like, I'll figure it out.
I'll do Zoom calls. I don't want to do this anymore.
I don't want to live here. I want to live my life.

Speaker 1 I'd be happy making less money and doing it somewhere else. And maybe it's not as good.

Speaker 2 Have you thought about making other motherships?

Speaker 1 We did. We have.
We've talked about it. Where? We've talked about New York.
We've talked about Vegas.

Speaker 2 What about Florida?

Speaker 1 We've talked.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing. To do it correctly, I mean, this is just like based on what we've done in Austin, right? What we did in Austin is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity where we hit every green light.

Speaker 1 Every green light along the way,

Speaker 1 we got in the right spot. So like the only way this club happens, first of all, is I'm friends with Adam Egot, and I've been friends with Adam Eget from back when

Speaker 1 he was running the improv in Tempe. So that's when I knew him.
I knew him from back then. And then he came to California and he started working at the comedy store when I had already been banned.

Speaker 1 So I had been banned and I had gone on my seven-year exodus. And he came to meet me at the improv.

Speaker 2 They They showed you, by the way.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 1 Comedy started banning you. They really showed you.

Speaker 1 So he came to meet me at the improv. He's like, dude, come back.

Speaker 1 I'm there now. I'm the talent coordinator.
And I thought about it. And then I wound up coming back because of Ari.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, Ari Shafir is one of my closest friends. And he was filming his special there.
And I had known Ari since he was a doorman. I knew him when he was a doorman there.

Speaker 1 And now he's filming a special. I'm like, I don't give a fuck.
I have to be there. I have to be there for him.

Speaker 1 And I went there a day before just so I could relax because it was weird because I hadn't been there in seven years. And, you know, it was super friendly, hugged everybody.
It was great.

Speaker 1 And then I saw Ari and Ari killed. And the special was awesome.

Speaker 1 And it was just such a, it was such a happy moment to see him like accomplish this thing, going from being a doorman to having your own Comedy Central special while he was also doing a show on Comedy Central.

Speaker 1 This is what he's doing, This Is Not Happening. Yeah, I was on that.
So it was like, I had to come back. So that was 2014.

Speaker 1 And becoming really good friends with Adam and knowing him from the improm, like knowing him from back in the day and then becoming friends with him when he was the account coordinator, we had talked about like what are the problems with running a club?

Speaker 1 Like what is the problems with like people telling you, oh, you have to have more of this on your show or more of that on your show or you're problematic and people getting mad about this, mad about that.

Speaker 1 I'm like, it's got to be a meritocracy. As much as that bothers some people, the people that bothers, they're never good.

Speaker 1 David Tell's never complaining about diversity. You know what I'm saying? It's like the people that are complaining, generally, they're mediocre at best.
And he was like, you're right.

Speaker 1 I go, but you can't give in to them because there's a lot of them. And they yell and they make it seem like it's a big deal.
But the big deal is laughs, doing good comedy,

Speaker 1 having an original idea, being funny. Here's the world through my eyes.

Speaker 1 This is how I've crafted it for you that's all it is everything else is a fucking distraction and we both agreed on that and so when

Speaker 1 the comedy store shut down and then I moved out here there was a like a long time where I was like I don't know what to do like do I stop doing comedy now and just do this podcast like no one's doing comedy we it was months and months of no comedy and then Dave and I started doing shows at stubbs so Dave was like I want to do a show at stubbs let's do like a residency there I'm like fuck yeah let's do it so he and and I did like a, we had done a ton of shows, a bunch of arena shows before the pandemic together.

Speaker 1 And so the Stubbs thing came along and I was like, okay, yeah, let's just do this. All right, we're doing this now.
And I guess we're doing comedy again.

Speaker 1 And then we started doing comedy at the Vulcan. And the Vulcan is indoor and it's loud and it's rowdy and it was naughty.
Like it was crazy. You're doing a November 2020 indoor show.
Punk rock.

Speaker 1 And so when that was happening, then everybody started moving here. Then everything, Then everything got weird.
And I was like, whoa, we got like Tom Segura moved here. Duncan Trussell moved here.

Speaker 1 Tony Hinchcliffe moved here. Bryant Simpson moved here.
I was like, whoa, we got a crew here. Derek Poston moved here.
Asana Ahmad moved here. I'm like, we got a real crew here.

Speaker 1 And then it just kept escalating. Tim Dylan came.
It was like over and over again. Joe DeRosa came.
Shane Gillis came.

Speaker 1 It was like, and so while all this was happening, where all these guys were at least talking about moving there, they're like, it feels better here.

Speaker 1 Like the scene feels more alive because LA was still shut down.

Speaker 1 And so then

Speaker 1 Ron White basically grabbed me by the shoulders one night after he hadn't done stand-up in like six months. And he grabs me and goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this.

Speaker 1 You got to open up a club. I'm like, we're going to open up a club.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 And then that's how it all started. But we had to hit every light.
Like, Adam had to be out of a job.

Speaker 1 All the people that we got from the comedy store that were great, we brought over a bunch of people. They all had to be out of a job.
So the comedy store had to be closed.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, why would you leave the comedy store? It's the greatest place on earth. Yeah, so then it was like everything else had to be closed down.

Speaker 1 So, the comics knew that they could do stand-up in Texas. And so, like, well, let's just go to Texas.
And it just

Speaker 1 people decided I like doing stand-up more than I like living in LA. Yeah, and then once they came out here, they realized, I think I like it out here better.

Speaker 2 It is, it's amazing what we've got. And also, my favorite thing about the scene here

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 2 the mothership helps everything around as well.

Speaker 2 So I can't get over every time that I've been here how inviting, how cool all the young comics are. All these guys who would

Speaker 2 chew off their arm to get a spot at your club are here for it. And they're here at these other places.
They're doing all these other things because they believe in what the mothership's doing.

Speaker 2 And there's all this other stuff. So it has the most buzz as far.
Not buzz. That's a stupid word.

Speaker 2 It has a feeling. It has like this vibe.

Speaker 1 It has this aura.

Speaker 2 Whereas that used to be in New York and that used to be in L.A. And I don't feel it in those places anymore.

Speaker 2 I'm actually lucky that I can go do the cellar and I can go do the stand and I can do those things. I can go to the comedy store.
I can go to the improv. I'm at a place where they'll have me.

Speaker 2 But there's not like a bunch of young guys doing small shows and excited at the idea of even going over to the store after their spots.

Speaker 1 Your club has that. Well, there's a couple things it has an advantage of, right? One is kill Tony.
That's the big advantage.

Speaker 1 The big advantage of there's a show that's Monday night that is the biggest live comedy show on planet Earth, and you might be able to get on it.

Speaker 1 And if you've got a tight minute and you could fucking kill, they're going to ask you back. And if you've got another tight minute, oh my God, you might have a fucking career.

Speaker 1 You might have a fucking career. And that's happened time and time again.
Like Cam Patterson is on SNL right now. Yes, sir.
And that came straight out of Kill Tony. 100%.

Speaker 1 And, you know, and Cam is super fucking talented, but so is Hans Kim. So is a lot of William Montgomery.
There's a lot of people coming out of there that do great, and they have a real career now.

Speaker 1 Ari Matty has a real career now. It's amazing.
Casey Rocket, it's an amazing resource. 100%.
So that's the big one is that there's a real pathway.

Speaker 1 And then there's also two nights of open mic night, two nights. So we make sure we have plenty of open mic night time.
You get to do an open mic night at the best club in the world.

Speaker 1 And then on top of that, it's like... The club is the only club that I know of that was designed not to make money.
All I wanted to do was break even. I'm like, I just don't want to lose any money.

Speaker 1 You know, because it's so much money to make a club and build it in the first place. You have to buy a building.
You have to hire all these people to fix it.

Speaker 1 It's a lot of money invested. I'm like, I just don't want to lose a lot of money.

Speaker 2 Which is why a lot of owners have terrible reputations because they do all these corner cutting or they do like the... They're trying to fuck you up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but they're also desperate in a way. Like these guys, they'll...

Speaker 2 You know, I like club owners, but there's a lot of crazy club owners and they feel that pressure of like, I got to keep this alive. I don't want to keep losing money.

Speaker 1 I used to tell comics, be nice to club owners because you don't want to be one. You do not want to be one.
It's a great one. And then I went and became one.

Speaker 1 But still.

Speaker 2 But you're doing it honorably.

Speaker 1 I'm lucky that I have other ways of making a living, right? Most club owners, they're a club owner by definition. That's what they do for a job.
This is not what I do for a job.

Speaker 1 This is just I do this for literally to make a comedy environment. So

Speaker 1 the club is set up so the comedians get most of the money because that's how it should be. That's great.
People aren't coming to see drinks. Right.

Speaker 1 They're coming to see a guy do his art, a woman do her art on stage.

Speaker 1 So that person should get most of the money. And that's how it should be.
And it should be that way because it's the right way to do it and because it builds the art form.

Speaker 1 You have more people making money so they don't have to leave as much. They don't have to go out of town as much.
They can stay in town and develop and work on new stuff.

Speaker 1 And there's all these satellite rooms. There's the Sunset Strip that's right down the street from us.
You could walk there in three minutes. That's Red Bands Club.
It's killing.

Speaker 1 Creek in the Cig is an awesome spot. That's where Gillis filmed his first YouTube special.
He filmed it. I like it too, yeah.
It's amazing. It's a great club.

Speaker 1 That's another club we did a lot during the pandemic. And then you've got all these other clubs.
Cap City's a great fucking club. That's just 20 minutes away.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of these satellite rooms all around this place that are killing it right now. Yeah.
Because comedy is a fun thing to to do.

Speaker 1 People love it. You know, and we can do it in a way where it's not connected to fucking Hollywood.
It's not connected to movies. It's not connected to TV.

Speaker 1 It's an art form in and of itself that had been prostituted out for so long that people thought like the golden goose was be a late night talk show host.

Speaker 1 That was the golden goose, a job that I wouldn't, there's no fucking way I would, if they doubled my money, I'd be like, I'm not doing that. I can't do it.
It's not me. Right.

Speaker 2 Well, and it's also not not really stand-up.

Speaker 2 So many times, like, people are like, so do you want to like, is it, are you doing this because of like, you want to be a movie star? I was like, no, I'm doing it because I love stand-up comedy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I just watched the starting five of it's called starting five on Netflix, but they follow NBA players. And the annoying part is like their wives and girlfriends.
I think that's the annoying part.

Speaker 2 Like, I want to hear them talk about basketball, like the thing they love.

Speaker 2 That inspires me because I look at the way I pursue comedy, the way they pursue their basketball, you know, like their career.

Speaker 2 So, anyways, but what I was inspired by was like Kevin Durant, who I thought I hated my whole life, was awesome. He just wants to play basketball.
Like, that's all it is for him.

Speaker 2 He's like, yeah, I just want to go out there and hoop.

Speaker 2 And he keeps going to that thing of like, man, I don't want to have these arguments in barbershops about the greatest ever or any of those things.

Speaker 2 He makes money, but it's not about the money for him, and it's not about the chicks. Those are all symptoms of what he pursues.
And I love that because I'm like, yeah, I just love the joke part.

Speaker 2 I love that I can write a bit and then that night try it and people love it or they go what an interesting idea or that's funny or that's naughty or that's I've never thought of it like that when you know when you're campaigning on a political trail or whatever like when you go to like the Trump rally or what one of I don't know what Kamala Harris called her thing, but those aren't undecided voters.

Speaker 2 Those are people who are there because they're already in. You're not even talking to anyone who's considering voting for anyone else when you go to a thing like that.

Speaker 2 But with stand-up comedy, when they're in that audience, they're just looking at you and going, hey, bro, bring me some jokes.

Speaker 2 And so I can now do jokes about what I think and what I believe. And the crowd will listen to me and decide if I'm not funny or funny.
But you're getting into their ear.

Speaker 2 You're getting into them going, I've never thought of it like that. That guy was making some pretty good jokes up there about a subject that I thought I wouldn't hear.

Speaker 2 You know, like, it's just like, I think comedy is such a gift that way. But I was like, I was like, I think I'm like Kevin Durant.

Speaker 2 I like the girls, and I like the money, and I like all I love all that stuff, but for me,

Speaker 2 I did a spot here. Uh, I can't even remember what it was, and they were like, Dude, we can't thank you enough for coming.
And I was like, What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 Like, I get up on any fucking stage, and you try to slide me money. I go, Give it to the other guys.
Like, I came to do this because I was happy you'd have me on. Like, I just couldn't.

Speaker 1 That's a great attitude. Yeah, it's so much better to

Speaker 1 tell jokes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't need to be famous.

Speaker 2 That would be a good symptom.

Speaker 1 That'd be a great symptom of it, but like it also comes with its own problems you know all those other stuff yeah sure all the other stuff but that's the best attitude is just love what you do love what you do and all the success comes because of it but the moment you start thinking about the success only and then making decisions based only on getting and attaining more success instead of thinking about the thing yeah you know and that's what they do they seduce you they go want to be in this movie want to be those are the hyenas like you were saying hyenas they circle but i don't want to be an actor and thank you for the opportunity.

Speaker 2 And I love that you believe you can make some money off me by putting me in that.

Speaker 2 But for me, walking my ass into a place that has a stage and a microphone and being able to be naughty and say anything I'd like and make jokes is so exciting to me.

Speaker 2 If they put a billion dollars in my bank account tomorrow, I'll still go do my spot tonight at the mothership in Fat Man.

Speaker 2 And if tomorrow they said, Jeff, you make zero dollars doing this, you might want to find a day job. I'll go, okay, but I'm still doing my spot, right?

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Speaker 2 Still going to do it.

Speaker 1 No matter what.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just love it. Yeah, I would do it forever.
It's the most fun art form. Yeah.
You know, and the fact that we're fortunate enough to be able to do it and make money doing it is incredible.

Speaker 1 You should be happy. Yeah.
If you're fucking complaining, you're missing out.

Speaker 2 Oh, dude, I I won't say this comic's name because, you know, I just don't want any trouble with this guy. But I remember I was at a festival and

Speaker 2 I'm more criticizing his attitude on that night.

Speaker 2 We're in the green room, and they were like, so excited to have him because he's a very funny guy and very talented. And they said, they go, so how much time do you want to do?

Speaker 2 And he was like, how much time am I contracted to do?

Speaker 2 And they were like, oh, well, you know, your book's for 45 minutes, but I was just letting you know you're at the end of the show and everyone's here to see see you. So just do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 He goes, then I'm doing the 45 minutes.

Speaker 1 And I remember thinking, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 they're happy you're here.

Speaker 1 Everyone is excited.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just if you tell me that, bro, I'm on stage for two hours. 45 minutes is good, but I'm going to stay up there, you know, because I like

Speaker 1 there. Yeah, it's fun.
Boo.

Speaker 2 It's not, you're not pouring concrete, dude. Like, you get to go tell jokes to these people.
Like, what an exciting job you have.

Speaker 1 That's exciting. I think where that comes from is like in the beginning, it's like really hard.
It's hard to do. It's hard to get paid.
It's hard.

Speaker 1 And then you build up a resentment to the point where even after you make it, you take it for granted. And now you think, like, what do I have to do? 45 minutes and that's what I'm doing.
Crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're like, instead of like, wow, I made it. I can actually, I could actually get paid to go do comedy now.
I'll get 45 minutes, not important. Okay.
I'll go fuck around, have some fun. That's

Speaker 2 exactly like that's so I've worked at Hollywood Video. I've worked at any coffee shop that was like I've had over like 40 different coffee jobs because I just couldn't keep a job.

Speaker 2 Like I was always living somewhere different or like pursuing comedy so aggressively that like I just needed a job.

Speaker 2 So I was good at getting the job and then I would fuck off or do something stupid and I'd get like let go or I'd move and just ghost that job. You know, I've had all these jobs.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 whether it was Hollywood Video or Rock Bottom Brewery or whether it was any of these million coffee shops I worked at, I was always the fun guy at the job that made friends with everyone and goofed off because it's more fun to have a good attitude at work and like the job than it is to hate the job.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Because, not because the job was great, but because it's going to be a better experience here if I like it, if I at least trick myself into liking it.

Speaker 2 There's nothing, it wasn't my dream to put movies in alphabetical order with dyslexia in Hollywood Video, but

Speaker 2 I want to enjoy my job. Like, Like, that was more fun to, like, be happy to be there.
So, now we get to do comedy, which is the dream, and you're you have that attitude.

Speaker 2 Like, I just can't get my mind around that.

Speaker 1 Well, there's some people that think they have to be miserable to be good. There's a weird thing that I think some artists feel like they have to kind of suffer in order to be funny.

Speaker 1 Like, they have to be upset, they have to be angry. I used to think that when I was

Speaker 1 really young and dumb, I was thinking that maybe I should stop meditating because if I meditate and achieve any kind of enlightenment,

Speaker 1 I won't think things are so annoying anymore that I could shit on them on stage. Sure.
Which is like a big part of my act.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you didn't want to be happy because you would find.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. But that was me at 21 or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 Well, Jerry Seinfeld, who's one of my favorites ever, despite any of his political beliefs or any of those things, like I really, really respect every time Jerry Seinfeld talks on podcasts or interviews or whatever, because he's like Buddha of comedy, like the way he talks about work ethic, the way he talks about joke writing, the way he's very disciplined, he's very good.

Speaker 2 So I always hang on everything Jerry says, like in those things, I think he's the best. Look up anytime he's been interviewed.
But Jerry, although he's clean, right? He's a clean comic.

Speaker 2 And although he's a husband and a dad, and no matter what he's labeled as, he seems to be very at peace in his life and very successful and rich. He does have this edge to him.

Speaker 2 There still is like an irritability.

Speaker 2 And I think that's probably what you were thinking at 21 of like, I need that. I need to be.

Speaker 1 But you could see. Well, he's also smart, and he's talking to morons all the time.
And that's how you get an edge like that.

Speaker 1 Probably doesn't have like a tight crew of cool people that he could just chill with.

Speaker 1 You get alienated. You want to be around kids.
You're a billion dollars. You're smarter than kids.
Right. But you also,

Speaker 1 you made a billion dollars from a sitcom you did in the 90s. You never have to work again for a day in your fucking life.
You have 100 Porsches. You're just collecting Porsches.
You're bored as fuck.

Speaker 1 And then morons want to say, you know what my favorite episode was? Like, I don't fucking care.

Speaker 1 I don't want to hear this anymore. I'm sure you get that on the time.

Speaker 2 Someone wants to tell you a story about a thing and you go, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Well, I think I'm a little more tolerant than him. Yeah.
Yeah. But he's, I get it.
I get why he would be a little prickly. Like, some of the questions are really fucking stupid.
Like,

Speaker 1 there was a big racism controversy about his show. Right.
Comedians in cars drinking coffee.

Speaker 2 Which is why I'm surprised he wasn't, he's not more vocal about that, but he did a great thing.

Speaker 1 He was like, I don't care. I speak the language of funny.
If If you're funny, I don't care what you are, which is the right answer. And a lot of people are like, oh, that sounds racist.

Speaker 1 That's a great answer. This is crazy.

Speaker 2 If that's racist, this is...

Speaker 1 You're expecting something that you're not going to get, which you're expecting people to abandon meritocracy in the most meritocracy-based art form.

Speaker 1 You have to have a specific response from people. You have to get a laugh.
Yeah. And you're creating it all yourself.

Speaker 2 There's no talking. It's just you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it. And so if it's comedians that you think are funny and they happen to be whatever, it's just who's funny.
Because everything else is bullshit. This idea there's not enough women.

Speaker 1 There's not enough black people. There's not enough.
It's insane. Stop.
Right. Stop.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's an interviewer that goes, what do you say to the people who criticize that you don't have enough people of color or blah, blah, blah?

Speaker 2 And he goes, I don't know. I'm looking at your audience.
A lot of whiteies in here. And that's what he said.
Oh, it's the best because it's like, it's so true. So true.

Speaker 1 Look at your friend groups. Look at your life.
Yeah, fuck off.

Speaker 2 When you start running it through everyone's genitals and skin color,

Speaker 2 you could call every culture racist. I went to my buddy's family barbecue who's Polynesian, you know, he's a Pacific Islander guy.

Speaker 2 Wasn't real diverse family reunion, right? Because that's the beauty of a culture is that you kind of have the whole point of having a culture is to have some advantages.

Speaker 2 I can't just wander into your family's thing and go, how come there's no more, there's not any Filipinos here? It's just, that's not how it works.

Speaker 2 I always say that i said i think i i've said it a couple times on stage but like i wonder if like liberals go to like japan and they're like this is disgusting you know it's all japanese people here it's not very diverse yeah i wonder do they go to russia oh my gosh where's the diversity here like if that's not how things work

Speaker 1 no there's a lot of countries that aren't diverse at all and that's fine as long as they're black

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? If it's like all black, it's totally fine. But all like Poland's a problem.
That's a real problem. Yeah, it's insane to me.

Speaker 1 Well, it's people are just weird, you know. And look, racism is bad.

Speaker 1 So, because racism is because actual racism is bad, people look for racism all sorts of places, and then they start deciding that things are racist. Or, you know, they could do it with a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, we were talking about this the other day, this idea of silence is violence. Like, shut the fuck up.
That's crazy. Like, nobody ever punched you then.

Speaker 1 I'll show you some violence.

Speaker 2 And you'll go, hey, can we go back to the silence?

Speaker 1 Come to the UFC with me. I'll show you what, like, this is what.
See, that's what violence is. Yes.
This is

Speaker 1 a sport of it. These are nice people.
Like, that's actual violence. Not fucking words.

Speaker 1 It's definitely not silence.

Speaker 2 Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. And then they start using sticks and stones.
You go, let's go back to names. I'm happy with names.

Speaker 2 There was less blood when you were calling me names.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're being silly. Silence is not violence, you fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 That's so dumb.

Speaker 1 Silence is just silence. You can't fucking get pretty nice.
But it shows what you want is what you want to force people to comply.

Speaker 1 You want to force people to to say what you want them to say, put that black square on your leverage ramp power. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's a bunch of losers. It's usually a bunch of losers at the wheel of that bus.
Yeah. They're going right off the cliff and they want to bring you with them.
Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 Not a fun place.

Speaker 1 Not fun. Yeah.
Don't like it. That's not the world we live in.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Or it's not the universe that comics like to live in at all.

Speaker 1 That's the other thing about all these people pushing all these different things to call everybody

Speaker 1 an issue or whatever the fuck you are. And how you have a phobia, phobia, whatever it is.
All these people seem to be miserable. Yeah.
Yeah, they don't seem very happy. And the same thing.

Speaker 1 And they're proud of their anger. Which is odd.
Yeah. It's like, find some things to love.
Okay. There's a lot to love in this world.

Speaker 2 Comic went on on Kill Tony last night. He was so great, and I am remiss that I don't remember his name.
And he was able to rattle off, which I'm sure he's done before.

Speaker 2 It's probably in his act, but he was able to rattle off all his interests. He's like, oh, I'm in, you know, Universal Studios, let's go.
Monster Truck Rally. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I immediately wanted to be friends with this guy because I'm like, that's how I want to live. I live, or I mean, I do live like that.

Speaker 2 And I was like, dude, I can identify with this so much. The little kid in me is like, yeah, whatever it is, let's go.
I go to the gay pride parade. I've got a lot of gay friends.
Let's fucking do it.

Speaker 2 Like, like, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 That's so much better of an attitude of just like, let's, let's do it all. Let's, let's, let's jump in these things.

Speaker 2 Like, that's so much more fun than going, we're not going there because of this, and we're not doing that because of this. And this is probably, it's like, it's too exhausting.

Speaker 1 Well, a lot of people like being exhausted because it keeps them active they've got something to think about it's their sports yeah it is you know politics for a lot of people is their sport and it's not just their sports it's like they're fanatical red socks it's the religion yeah yeah it's red sox to the death and that's what it is like fuck the yankees that's all it is man but it's the same thing so the sports one is where i think it's a little different because

Speaker 2 The Yankees fan doesn't want to murder the Red Sox fan.

Speaker 2 They still like baseball. They break people's legs.
Yeah, sometimes.

Speaker 2 But I'm saying they still like baseball. Yes.
They can still agree, oh, we're at the ballpark. You know, we're having a hot dog.
And it's like, fuck you. And you're like, fuck you.
And it's fun.

Speaker 2 You know, it's fun. But like,

Speaker 2 the people that claim they hate religion the most are acting their politics out like religious zealots. Right.
They're going, well, this is, I wouldn't even talk. Jimmy Kimmel's wife.

Speaker 2 I can't even talk to them anymore.

Speaker 1 I, I, I don't think she's what they

Speaker 1 think she's having a hard time talking to them.

Speaker 2 I might be, I've watched it a bunch, but so what happened was she said that she was always struggling with it since Trump's been in office. But now

Speaker 2 she doesn't even want to be with these people because it's personal to her. That, like, that now she's made the decision to not.

Speaker 2 And it's like, that's where it's a problem. Struggling with it's fine.
If family reunions, you want to have a talk with your aunt who voted for Trump or something, I think that's healthy.

Speaker 2 You know, like, let's talk about it. Because if you're doing any of these things and you can't defend it, you're probably pretty stupid.

Speaker 2 But when you start going, I won't even be associated with that person because of whatever it is.

Speaker 2 That's a problem.

Speaker 1 Well, it doesn't seem smart. Yeah.
It doesn't seem healthy. You know, if you don't have any room for disagreement, but it's also like the thing between Kimmel and Trump is so dumb.
It's very dumb.

Speaker 1 It's so dumb. I can't believe.

Speaker 1 And then he went after

Speaker 1 what's he went after Jimmy Fallon and Seth Myers as well, right?

Speaker 1 Call them losers. Yes, yes, yes.
That's crazy. I know.
That's so dumb.

Speaker 1 I don't understand.

Speaker 1 I guess no one is around to tell him that.

Speaker 2 He must be in a bubble.

Speaker 1 He's 100% in a bubble, but that's also the way he's behaved his whole life. Like, that's how he would attack you if he was on The Apprentice.
You know, I was supposed to do the Celebrity Apprentice?

Speaker 2 I was supposed to do it too, but way after it was good.

Speaker 2 I was supposed to do it with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 1 Well, I was supposed to do it with him. With Trump.
Yes. Okay.
It was when Fear Factor was returning to NBC.

Speaker 1 They asked me to do Celebrity Apprentice, and I thought about it, but my kids were really young at the time. I didn't want to live in New York.
And I was like, how How long does it take?

Speaker 1 It takes forever. And then also, I was like, That guy's gonna be mean to me, and I'm gonna be like, Fine, it's not fun.
Like, that's not gonna be fun. Like, I'm not good with that, you know.

Speaker 1 I'll get real.

Speaker 2 I wonder what your political opinion would be of Trump if you had done Celebrity Apprentice.

Speaker 1 Hmm, interesting. I think he always had an understanding of

Speaker 1 like how the whole political process worked. Like, there's an interesting interview of him way back in the day.
I think he was talking to Barbara Walters, maybe.

Speaker 1 It was a really old interview where he was talking about maybe one day running for president. And this was back when he was a Democrat.
You know, he was a Democrat for a long time. He's from Queens.

Speaker 2 He's in the New York guy.

Speaker 1 He's a young portion of his life.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I think Elon said it best. He's a product of his time.

Speaker 1 You know, and that's the thing. This is an almost 80-year-old man who's a real estate guy who likes to see his name in big gold letters.
Loves America. Because that's what he always liked.

Speaker 1 He's like, I like my name, big gold letters. Like, everything's big and gold.
That's what he genuinely likes.

Speaker 2 Which, if people knew that about him, they would give him a little more grace when he says crazy things. Because, like, if you read his book, like, there was a part where he was like, he's like,

Speaker 1 okay, do you think he really wrote the book?

Speaker 2 No, but I think. I don't think anyone does.

Speaker 1 Dennis Frogman didn't write his book.

Speaker 2 You know, he just had a guy follow him.

Speaker 1 Some people write their own book for sure.

Speaker 2 But not the majority. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or actually, that's not true.

Speaker 2 The majority of people write their own books. The majority of celebrities have someone follow them and talk to them in coffee shops.

Speaker 1 Dev Goes, yes.

Speaker 2 But he was like, talking about, he's like, this building's the biggest in New York. It's the best.
And they were like, it's not even the biggest building in this. And he goes, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, it's kind of like.

Speaker 2 And if you know that, then you kind of like give him a little more grace when he's just saying, it's just kind of how he is.

Speaker 1 He's this,

Speaker 2 I'm the best. You know, it doesn't mean he's really the best.
It means he's got an attitude of the best.

Speaker 1 You saw the BBC thing, right?

Speaker 2 What thing?

Speaker 1 You didn't see this thing where BBC got in trouble for editing his speech? We talked about it yesterday.

Speaker 1 I'll just tell you real briefly. So they took a segment of him saying something and then spliced in a segment of him saying something else from 53 minutes later.

Speaker 2 Right, the Storming the Capitol. Yes.
Right, from the January 6th. Crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is

Speaker 1 not journalism, but like full-on lying and propaganda, and it's kind of fucking dangerous. And those are the things.

Speaker 2 People watch. That's what I say in that shortened bullshit.

Speaker 1 Yes, but these people lost their jobs jobs because of it. It's a big deal.
Yeah, and not only that, but like they're getting hounded by reporters.

Speaker 1 They're asking them, and the answers that they have for why they did what they did. It's like crazy.

Speaker 1 They felt, it seems like these people, this is just my opinion, seems like these people felt justified for completely lying because it would lead to an ultimate good.

Speaker 1 So they lost all journalistic integrity. And it is the BBC, which is like the height of journalistic integrity.

Speaker 1 If that doesn't doesn't show the rot of mainstream corporate-controlled media, then nothing does. Right.
Because that's pure rot.

Speaker 1 If at the top of the heap, you got like, in my mind, if like if somebody said something to me and they quoted a source and it was the BBC, I was like, okay, that's like Washington Post.

Speaker 1 That's like New York Times. It's a very official source.
So I'm thinking, this must be real.

Speaker 1 And they turned it into activism and they turned it into lying. And they did it in front of everybody where you could clearly just listen to the whole thing and know he didn't say that.

Speaker 1 But it's not how he said it at all.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's like, well, and I think,

Speaker 2 I'm sorry that I keep harping on this, but like, that's what AOC or kind of the left I see most guilty of doing is in their brain, they go, I know that this is a little like whatever, but it's for our greater good.

Speaker 2 Right. So they're doing that with their own thing.
Listen, I don't, I'm smart enough to know that Charlie Kirk was trying to make a point about blank.

Speaker 2 But if I twist this a little, it's for the greater good of what I'm trying to do here. And so they justify it to themselves.
They say, oh, well, now I know that I might have been a little political,

Speaker 2 politician-y here,

Speaker 2 but it's for a greater good. For a greater good.
And it's vague, and it's like, listen,

Speaker 2 look, he hates black people.

Speaker 1 That's why Obama disappointed me so much during the Kamala Harris campaign, because he did that thing where he said, you know, that he said that white nationalists are very fine people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He said we have very fine people on both sides. And when you hear the actual quote and the difference between what they're saying he said and what he said, what he said was the exact opposite.

Speaker 1 He said, and I'm not talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

Speaker 1 He's like,

Speaker 1 I forget the exact wordage he used. They should be condemned.
Whatever he said, but along those lines. He specifically said, not those people.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about people that just didn't want these statues torn down. Yes.
but there's very fine people on both sides you know some people just like go yeah I was Robert E.

Speaker 1 Lee's a really bad guy but it's like this is a part of history it is yeah this is this is like this is just reality yeah

Speaker 1 but that

Speaker 1 using that during Kamala Harris's campaign I was like that's crazy you know what he said you you must know they cut it up

Speaker 1 but why would you sacrifice what's so valuable is like your stature and your integrity why would you sacrifice that for someone who just probably wasn't going to win anyway? Right.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know if it's money or if it's some sort of oath or if it's intentional, whatever, but like that stuff's so dangerous.

Speaker 2 I really like that shortening of like what someone said, taking it out of context.

Speaker 1 I think there's also the consequences of people going to trial for that Russia Gate stuff.

Speaker 1 Because I think that RussiaGate collusion hoax that they perpetrated on mainstream media for years. And a lot of people are really uncomfortable with even saying it was a hoax.

Speaker 1 No, it was a hoax, ladies and gentlemen. It was a hoax.
And a lot of people coordinated that hoax. And there was a lot of people involved.

Speaker 1 And I think they're super sketched out about Trump being president again and possibly digging into that stuff. And he's doing that now.

Speaker 1 And you're finding real evidence that the people that you would think the intelligence agencies, you would think, what are they here for?

Speaker 1 They're here to make America safe and protect us from problems. But it seems like they also meddle.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And not just metal, but like completely try to sabotage someone and paint them out in a way that's completely inaccurate, knowingly, willingly, with taxpayer dollars, funding it all.

Speaker 2 For the greater good. For their greater good.

Speaker 1 Bro, I might say very fine people too. If I was doing that.

Speaker 1 He's a fucking Nazi.

Speaker 2 Let's not. Yeah, he's Hitler.

Speaker 1 Let's save whatever the fuck, keep him out of office.

Speaker 2 I think that's what happened with the,

Speaker 2 in a way, that's kind of what happened with like the Epstein list thing.

Speaker 2 I think like the reason you're never going to see that is because there's just too many powerful people that are in that that are on both sides.

Speaker 2 It would kind of be a not a collapse, but like a social kind of like collapse of like

Speaker 2 both sides. I mean, I don't think there's like that.
You're not going to find all liberals went to this island. You're not going to find all conservatives went to this island.

Speaker 2 You're going to see a list of some of very powerful creeps on everything. So it's like both this like stalemate of the right and the left going, maybe we just won't do this.

Speaker 1 But it's not just that. It's this ball of yarn of what did they do with the information?

Speaker 1 What did they, if they did compromise you and they did fly you out to an island, you did have sex with underage girls. What did you do then when you were confronted by the fact that they know this?

Speaker 1 Right. What did you do? Like what decisions were made? What foreign policy decisions were made? What financial decisions were made?

Speaker 1 What money got donated? How much money transferred back and forth to different accounts because of things that happened there?

Speaker 1 How many huge international decisions were made by people in powerful positions because someone has a video of them doing something very compromising on an island?

Speaker 2 That's why I'm glad that I, I mean, I might not be very rich or anything, but like if something,

Speaker 2 you know, if they try to figure out something on me, this is, this would be their research.

Speaker 1 They'd be like, all right, we found Jeff Diddy.

Speaker 1 He likes a sprite, you know

Speaker 1 uh uh uh he also watches pro red like they go they'd have nothing they would just be searching you're not a guy who's trying to run the world yeah the thing is everybody who wants to run the world everybody wants to be the president everybody they're all fucking they've all done weird shit they're fucking crazy and then they get into a position where they have like ultimate power and they're putting fucking masks on and fucking each other and i mean that's skull and bones stuff crazy stuff to me yeah well there's always been these weird secret societies of people that get really wealthy and they do kooky things and they wife swap.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, it's very strange.

Speaker 1 Proud, people lose their fucking minds with any kind of power. And you got the kind of power where you're literally like running the government.
You're literally running the whole government.

Speaker 2 I don't want to do bad stuff. Like it's crazy.
It's like, I guess my brain's just like.

Speaker 1 You don't want to run the government.

Speaker 2 I know, but if I just, I think to myself, I'm like, it's crazy that there's this much shit on all these powerful people. Like, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 It's not crazy, though, because you think, like, what is their pursuit?

Speaker 1 It's just like very bizarre pursuit because either they really are for the people and they really want to make the world a better place.

Speaker 1 Well, then you're not going to get anything on them because then they're Bernie Sanders. Right.

Speaker 2 You got nothing. Yeah, they're just.

Speaker 1 You got nothing. You know, he might not be effective, but you know, you don't have anything on him.

Speaker 1 He's not going to compromise. He doesn't have to.
You got nothing on him.

Speaker 1 Or you got someone who wants to be a leader for some strange reason and they're really not that extraordinary, but they're in a really shallow pool of talent. Right.

Speaker 1 Because that's the real truth about running for president or running for governor or running for mayor is it's a fucking shallow pool of talent.

Speaker 1 Because most people that have any kind of fucking talent talking don't want that job.

Speaker 1 Why would I want that job? Why would I want people to fucking shoot at me?

Speaker 1 Why would I want half the country to fucking hate me no matter what I do?

Speaker 1 Why would I want to get in and find out that this intertwined web of fucking money and power and influence is no way to fix it?

Speaker 1 And I'm just going to sit here for four years being a bad guy in a stupid White House. Like, fuck that.

Speaker 2 Because you took a photo with something on it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the people that want that are all out of their fucking minds. And they're all kooks.
They're all Gavin Newsoms. They're all Kamala Harris's and Donald Trumps.
And they're all kooky people.

Speaker 1 You know, and some of these kooky people will do a better job than other kooky people, but only kooky people want the job.

Speaker 1 And until that changes, and until not just kooky people want the job, not non-kooky people want the job of being president, but non-kooky people involved in Congress and the Senate and everything.

Speaker 1 Regular, rational people that can have real conversations and not try to diminish whoever you're talking to in the most reductionist way possible, make them out to be a moron because they're on the other side.

Speaker 1 Actual solving of problems without you doing it at the behest of these massive corporations that have been donating to you.

Speaker 1 So you have to bullshit your way and gaslight people and you can't be honest about your real opinions. That's the real fucking problem with that whole system.

Speaker 1 It is absolutely contaminated contaminated by both money and the promise of money in the future if you play ball. That's where it gets real weird.

Speaker 1 They leave government jobs and start working for pharmaceutical drug companies that they were regulating just 16 months ago.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 2 X or like Twitter. It's like nobody's on there to go.
Oh, I'm going to try and find some people's ideas. It's all like debate culture.

Speaker 2 You could put the most simple thing, and you have 700 people who just want to go, but I don't go.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 the goal is to debate and argue and get into, like, win and dunk on your opponent and make someone say, there's not, like, nobody, like you said in the beginning, is like, nobody's trying to just go, I think I really want to make

Speaker 1 it fair.

Speaker 1 Like, no one's saying that. No, what's even more fun is Blue Sky.
You ever go to Blue Sky?

Speaker 1 If you make an account, even in your name, you say, Jeff, Dye, I bet you'll be banned. I bet you'll be banned within 20 minutes.
Yes. Yeah, you're problematic.
You're a toxic. What male.

Speaker 1 What is heterosexual? You're a cisgendered male. That's

Speaker 1 which is what?

Speaker 1 We already had male. We don't need to add that.
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 I thought I got to choose my pronouns. Why do they get to put cyst on me? Cis on me.

Speaker 1 But if you go there, I saw this one conversation where someone said, they were talking about something, saying, I'm trying to be Zen about it.

Speaker 1 And then the next person said, try not to be racist against Asian people from Zen. Zen Zen? Yeah, that's insane.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 It's whack-a-mole. They're just sitting there ready to whack.
They're just ready for someone to pop up with any micro

Speaker 1 aggressions, any diversions from the narrative.

Speaker 2 It's so exhausting.

Speaker 1 I've never heard of this. It's like a liberal kind of like Facebook or something.
Most people bailed on it. So a lot of people, like Stephen King, said, I'm going over to Blue Sky.

Speaker 1 They all decided to go over to Blue Sky because Trump let them say whatever they want on Twitter, and they just didn't like the reality of the world. Right.
And so they're like, this is bullshit.

Speaker 1 I'm leaving. And they all come back.
They all come back to Twitter because X is more fun. Exactly.
It's nuts, but it's way more fun than everybody just calling you racist for everything.

Speaker 2 I do think that's the current problem with the world. I know that's very vague, but like people just want to win the talk.
Nobody wants to have the talk.

Speaker 2 So it's more about like, well, here's what you haven't thought about this. Like it's, it's like, it's like, why are you talking at anyone like that? Right.
Like, hear them out.

Speaker 2 And then they also have the

Speaker 2 give them the luxury of being wrong. It's okay to be wrong.
I'm wrong all the time. But, like, the only way I can be right is if I say the wrong thing and I learn.

Speaker 2 You know, that's that's we should be having conversations, not arguments.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, now you attach that to politics, and you literally have to win the arguments because that's what the whole game is.

Speaker 1 The whole game is like get up in front of all those people and state your claim and diminish the claim of your opponent. And they say it's stupid.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they have to do it because they have to get elected because if they don't get elected, then they don't have power.

Speaker 1 And if they don't have, once they get into power, then they have to use that power for their constituents and for the people that help them get into power.

Speaker 1 So there's a bunch of fucking needs of these, and there's a bill you want to put this in the bill because it's going to help the oil sector or this in the bill is going to help chips.

Speaker 1 And so, of course, you're going to put a mask on and go fuck a guy. You're crazy.
You're doing a crazy job. You're doing ecstasy.
You're hanging out with all these people that are running the world.

Speaker 1 Of course, you're sucking dick with a VHS camera somewhere.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm walking around town with a leather mask being walked by my boyfriend.

Speaker 1 They can't take it anymore. They're living an insane life where they're producing no value.
So there's nothing they're doing where, unless they're real.

Speaker 1 Like, that's one of the things about Bernie Sanders. Love him or hate him.

Speaker 1 That's a real guy, and he has real beliefs, and he's been steadfast about these real beliefs from the beginning of his career.

Speaker 1 There's a photo of him that we showed on the podcast of him getting arrested at a civil rights protest in the 1960s, I think it was. He's always been that guy.

Speaker 1 That's who he is. Which is great.

Speaker 1 If you're not that,

Speaker 1 then what are you doing? You're trying to just get ahead. You're trying to win.
You're trying to gaslight the best.

Speaker 1 You're trying to make your way through this weird game where you could be a senator or you could be a governor. And then maybe you could be the president.
You have eyes on the throne.

Speaker 1 First thing I'm going to do is take that tacky fucking gold leaf off the wall. Trump put gold leaf everywhere.
He likes gold. Yeah.
What's wrong with gold? It looks better.

Speaker 2 That's about his home decor.

Speaker 1 It's the White House.

Speaker 1 There was people complaining he made the White House look tacky. It looks beautiful.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, and also, who cares? You don't live there.

Speaker 1 I don't give a shit. Well, they just don't want him doing that.
They don't want him like... Didn't he do it with his own money and stuff?

Speaker 2 I mean, they've always done that.

Speaker 2 And then Taft put a fucking, he invented the hot tub on accident because he was like, that tub won't fit me.

Speaker 1 I'm too fat. Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then forever, like, people will go, oh, yeah, didn't Taft, even that big fat guy got stuck in a tub? And it's not true. He was just a big guy, made a funny joke.

Speaker 2 And for now, like, now all these young people are like, oh, yeah, Taft, the big fat guy, they got stuck in a tub.

Speaker 1 It's not true.

Speaker 2 He accidentally made a,

Speaker 2 he just made a modification to the White House, and it basically invented a hot tub.

Speaker 1 People are also upset that he's making a ballroom. You see, he's making this giant ballroom.
It's all right. It doesn't bother me.
And he found out you're allowed to. Yeah.
And then

Speaker 1 he goes, he goes, what's the deal with permits? They're like, you don't have to get any permits. You're the president.
You can just build it. He's like, he's like, amazing.

Speaker 2 As a real estate guy, he's like, that's fucking great.

Speaker 1 Right. For a guy like that, it's like, you just gave him the coolest fucking present ever.
He can make a beautiful, beautiful ballroom. And people are so mad.

Speaker 1 And they were saying that it was a waste of taxpayer money, but it turns out it's not. It's all donations.

Speaker 2 I think you can look this up, but I think Obama spent like $350 million of taxpayer money making modifications to the White House.

Speaker 1 I think that's true, too. And like, did you?

Speaker 2 No one cared. And I don't care about that either.
I'm not using that as a what about.

Speaker 1 I'm saying I also don't care that Obama did it. I don't give a shit.
Can I get a receipt?

Speaker 2 Right. $350 million?

Speaker 1 What did you do? Like, what costs $350 million to a house that's already standing? Could you imagine it if your construction guy

Speaker 1 gave you a bill like that? Like, yeah, I just want to fix it up nice. Let's do all this.
And then send me a bill. And you get a bill.
It's $350 million. You're like, hey,

Speaker 2 I need to talk to the foreman here.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing about the White House. It's not that big.
Right. It's not that big, dude.

Speaker 2 There's some pretty beautiful houses for 1.5, that's a whole house.

Speaker 1 A whole house. Yeah.
$350 million is so much money. Did you make another house underneath the house? What happened?

Speaker 1 Yeah, how did that happen? A tunnel to a giant arena that's under the ground?

Speaker 2 Maybe the guy gets 500 grand an hour to do the construction or something because I don't understand.

Speaker 1 He's doing it at the White House. He needs to get paid more.
It's like weddings.

Speaker 2 they're like, I'd like to buy a cake. And they go, sure, $40.
And he goes, it's for my wedding, $5,000. They just changed the price.
You go, what? I needed a bunch of flowers.

Speaker 2 You gave me a great rate. But then the second is for a wedding, those flowers are now like this crazy.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's what the White House prices. Yeah.
Because they know it's taxpayer money. But $350 million seems like real excessive.
I'd like to know what they did.

Speaker 2 Didn't one of the, was it Nixon or somebody made it to them? Make a bowling alley in there?

Speaker 1 Nice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a cool thing to be able to do.

Speaker 1 do. Is that what they do? Like, you're allowed to just.
You're going to be there for four years. Put a bowling alley in there.
I think you get to.

Speaker 2 I don't know if that's true, but somebody put a bowling alley in over a pool or something, I read. But also, I didn't care.
I just go, sure. If I was president, I'd probably make some adjustments.

Speaker 1 You say he took Biden's photo down and put a picture of the autopen up.

Speaker 1 Oh, I did see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't know if it was real.

Speaker 2 I have a real struggle with what I see is real or not.

Speaker 1 It might not be real. Let's find out if it is real.
I think it is real, though. I think that's what I heard.
Obama's era project covered renovations. Trump knocked down a whole bunch of

Speaker 1 $376 million cost to improve the East and West Wing's infrastructure.

Speaker 1 Peck described the project as largely underground utility work. Doesn't do a whole lot of good to have a building that's sort of an image of the free world standing up there and not functioning well.

Speaker 1 Peck told CNN when questioned about the cost. Bloomberg News reported in 2010 the Obama renovation was the biggest White House upgrade since President Harry Truman was in office.

Speaker 1 48 to 52, Truman oversaw the White House historic gutting, renovation, and expansion in response to significant structural issues that at one point resulted in the leg of his daughter piano breaking through the floor.

Speaker 1 Trump's project made the first major exterior change of the White House in 83 years, historic preservationists say.

Speaker 2 You know, I read that and I just said, oh my God, because the leg of his daughter, and then it's the leg of his daughter's piano.

Speaker 1 I read it too. I was like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 Just just the piano broke yeah that was very deceptive the way they typed that just the piano leg yeah yeah

Speaker 1 one of the piano legs went through the not the daughter like his daughter's legs why you bring her up you're freaking me out

Speaker 1 she's not in this store i thought a kid broke her leg i was panicking and it's just a stupid piano

Speaker 1 but that uh that building's not that big so i guess That makes more sense, though. They had to do like crazy underground infrastructure shit that probably I would wonder what's under the

Speaker 1 Heating, cooling, and fire alarm systems that hadn't been updated since 1902 or 1935. Still, I'd like to see a receipt.
Also, feeling ripped off.

Speaker 2 I used to always say, I don't think that any president ever is at the White House.

Speaker 2 Or they go to the White House, but they don't live there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do. You think that they live there.
They do. They have a residency.

Speaker 2 Well, I think there's like a tunnel to a different place that this is.

Speaker 1 There's another building. But they live in that building.

Speaker 2 Because why would you want to put the most powerful person in America in the most famous address in America?

Speaker 1 You don't give people ideas.

Speaker 2 Well, it's the secret service. You know, we keep them secret.

Speaker 1 Don't give them ideas. It is weird because you know where he sleeps all the time.

Speaker 2 Right, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 You have more security and anonymity than

Speaker 2 knowing where someone powerful is. Like, that's crazy.
No matter how much security you have, the secret is the best part of it. That's why secret service is good.
You want a secret address.

Speaker 2 You want a secret home.

Speaker 1 You want to move them around. Yeah.
Don't have them in the same spot every night.

Speaker 2 I think the White House has called it

Speaker 2 the most famous address in America. Like, they say it's the most famous address.

Speaker 1 It is the most famous address.

Speaker 2 So why would you put someone so powerful in the most famous? Like, I just think that, like, even when I was in high school, I was like, I bet that they...

Speaker 2 I'd like to think that we're not keeping the president in a place that everyone knows about.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they do.

Speaker 1 Hopefully no one's listening to this and you gave him an idea. I hope not either.

Speaker 2 Violence is bad.

Speaker 1 That's the point. Do you remember back in the Obama administration when that crazy person broke into the White House?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Got pretty far.

Speaker 1 Didn't you have a bit about it? Yeah,

Speaker 1 there was a lady guarding the door without a gun.

Speaker 2 What are we doing? Dick, that is crazy.

Speaker 1 That's so crazy.

Speaker 2 It might have given someone some ideas. Like, I could get pretty far.

Speaker 1 Bro, that guy got all the way in. If it wasn't for a off-duty Secret Service guy who saw that guy running through the fucking White House and he tackled him, he just happened to be there.

Speaker 1 He wasn't even on duty. What did they think?

Speaker 2 Just like, well, no one's

Speaker 1 going to break it. Yeah, like, who would do that?

Speaker 1 Like, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's so crazy.

Speaker 1 People that have never been around crazy people, they don't know why lobotomies were done in the first place. That's true.
Back then, people were like, enough of Mike. Right.
We got to slow Mike down.

Speaker 2 Or you see, like, like, you work at like a homeless place and you go, oh, I kind of get it.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you go, yeah, you could kind of go, oh, these people, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. You know,

Speaker 2 they've done so so much stuff and drugs, and they've traumas and all this. And you just kind of go, I could see how in the olden times they would go, these people are broken.

Speaker 1 Let's, you know, especially if they're not medicated. Like, there's out and out, like, hardcore mental illness involved in most of the homelessness, a large percentage of it, at least.

Speaker 2 Yeah, which is a controversial statement, but it's 100% true.

Speaker 1 Well, the mental illness leads to drug addiction, drug addiction,

Speaker 1 self-medicating, you know, a lot of trauma, a lot of things, a lot of factors. But the answer to that isn't just let them camp.
Right.

Speaker 2 Let them be in front of your house whacking off, shouting bomb threats. Like, that's not, ignoring it isn't the solution.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Not talking about it is not the solution.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't think lobotomy is the way to go, but I don't, I don't know.
I just met like in the 30s, they would see that and go, you know, let's put this guy in a room.

Speaker 1 Well, in the 30s, I bet people,

Speaker 1 there was a bunch of people that were in shanty towns in New York City back during the Depression. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 The Depression was so bad that New York City had like, you know, like these little handmade houses like that people had built. You ever see any of that stuff?

Speaker 1 See if you can find shanty towns from New York City from the Great Depression. Yeah, man, it must have been so dangerous.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's basically homeless encampments in the middle of Central Park, and there's no jobs, man. There's no jobs, and there's no fucking.
In the Depression. Isn't that wild?

Speaker 1 Isn't that crazy, man? Imagine living out there, how dangerous that would be.

Speaker 2 That's downtown Denver, right there.

Speaker 1 And that's all because of the motherfucking bankers.

Speaker 1 That's all because of the bankers. They crashed the stock market.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. I was just hearing something really crazy where someone was making a connection

Speaker 1 between Rockefeller and alcohol being

Speaker 1 during Prohibition.

Speaker 1 That one of the competing fuel sources back then was ethanol. I don't even know if this is true, but that

Speaker 1 Rockefeller had control of oil, and they were using oil to make pharmaceutical drugs.

Speaker 1 So, like most of the drugs that people buy, the reason why they started doing it that way is because Rockefeller, because he had control of the oil.

Speaker 1 And this was saying that he wanted to stop people from using ethanol. So, he wanted, he thought the best way to do that was to make it so that no one could have the ability to produce alcohol.

Speaker 1 And the best way to do that is to make a prohibition about alcohol. But

Speaker 1 that sounds crazy. It says it's a myth.

Speaker 1 Let's see why they say it's a myth. John D.

Speaker 1 Rockefeller is often blamed for using prohibition to eliminate ethanol as a competing fuel source to gasoline from his standard oil business, but this is a myth.

Speaker 1 Rockefeller supported the temperance movement primarily for religious and social reasons.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's the excuse that's publicly stated that he supported alcohol prohibition for religious and social reasons, believing alcohol consumption was harmful and aiming for a more productive workforce.

Speaker 1 So this is the problem with it. These are not quotes.

Speaker 1 This is like someone saying why this guy supported banning alcohol and not, yes, he did work to ban alcohol and yes, he did benefit from it because ethanol was taken out. That is true.

Speaker 1 So ethanol as a fuel was not banned, it's saying.

Speaker 1 Explicitly allowing, even promoted the use of high-proof alcohol for scientific research, fuel, or other lawful industries during prohibition. Ethanol as a fuel was not banned.

Speaker 1 In fact, some industrialists, including Rockefeller, dabbled in ethanol fuel production. Henry Ford also pursued ethanol fuel development during this time.
Okay, so I take back what I said.

Speaker 1 So it's not that it was banned. So that doesn't make any sense then.

Speaker 1 It would make sense

Speaker 1 if somehow or another, but

Speaker 1 could you if you were using ethanol though the thing is like if you stop people from making their own alcohol if you make it illegal to make your own alcohol alcohol you definitely can't make your own fuel and then you can't use ethanol because you can actually make ethanol with corn

Speaker 1 that's how they make it So I could see how you would say if you wanted to sell more gasoline, you would make it so people can't make their own fermentation and you can't make your own alcohol.

Speaker 1 And one of the best ways to stop people from making their own alcohol would be the prohibition of alcohol. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Like, it doesn't seem that clean to me.

Speaker 1 That looks like a little squirrely. Like, he supported a prohibition of alcohol because of morals, but yet he was like really involved in a lot of shady shit that seemed like he was very controlled.

Speaker 2 Those religious beliefs were sidelined.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 It also, he had a part in the structuring of the education system to make people good little factory workers. Yeah.
Get them up early,

Speaker 1 get them to school quickly, before the parents can

Speaker 1 give them any sense of how the world really works.

Speaker 1 And then brainwash them,

Speaker 1 get them in there and make good workers out of them. He was a big part of that as well.

Speaker 1 That guy had a lot of power. Yeah, that's he'd have been an interesting guy in politics.

Speaker 1 So it's not true that he, that ethanol, that they prohibited it, but it is true that they kind of eliminated people making their own alcohol.

Speaker 1 And if you're not, if people aren't like making engines from ethanol, because most people are using gasoline at the time, it seems like

Speaker 2 they don't have the materials.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would be a good way to stop people from making their own gas, and then you'll sell more gas.

Speaker 2 I tried to buy something recently

Speaker 2 because I had like a chest cough, and they're like, you should get this shit. And then I went to the Riot Aid or whatever it was, and they're like, oh, that's behind the counter.

Speaker 2 So I go up and ask her for it. She needs my ID.
She beeps my ID. And I go, why? She goes, oh, because enough of this, you can make meth.
And I go, really?

Speaker 2 She goes, yeah, so we have to like make sure that the person, like, that it's kind of documented who bought it and and how much.

Speaker 1 Like Sudafed, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that is something like that. And then I was like, oh, shit.
And I need 700 of these.

Speaker 1 But I didn't even know that. That's how guys were making meth.

Speaker 2 You got to regulate all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine how bad that meth was? You get some assholes that go to the grocery store and just clean up the pharmaceutical aisle.

Speaker 2 That's the sad part about addiction, man. You'll see like these homeless guys drinking mouthwash.

Speaker 1 You're like, how bad has it got?

Speaker 2 That you're just chugging Listerine in an alley to get drunk? Like, that's, I mean, that's a, that's.

Speaker 1 What if it's a really good buzz? I mean,

Speaker 2 I guarantee it's a good buzz.

Speaker 2 Like, and your breath's great.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine a Listerine buzz? Ugh.

Speaker 1 Imagine a Listerine buzz. Ugh.

Speaker 2 I mean, sometimes I have tequila. I don't drink anymore, but sometimes I would have tequila, and that felt like mouthwash.

Speaker 2 You know, you have, like, a shitty, cheap tequila, and you go, oh, I just don't know.

Speaker 1 Do you know a large percentage of tequila apparently is fake? It's not made with agave. Really? Yeah, there was a big scandal.
See if we can find anything on that.

Speaker 2 But it still got people drunk.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
But I think the scandal was that people were saying that it was like real tequila, like legit tequila made from agave. Yeah.
But it wasn't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just like fucking some shitty alcohol. Yeah.
Some nonsense. There you go.
That counts. It's tequila.
I know, but I mean, I guess scammers probably thought, like, if they were scammers.

Speaker 1 So who knows who's doing it along the way? Maybe it's the manufacturer. Maybe it's the original person.
Who knows? But they didn't think someone was going to check.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's kind of strange. I think about all those kind of things.
Like, I remember they were doing this big campaign. They're like, McDonald's uses real beef now.
I'm like, what were they using?

Speaker 2 Like, what do you mean? Like, if the tequili company would now market, like, no, this is now real tequili. You'd be like, what were we drinking?

Speaker 1 This is a proposed class action lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York.

Speaker 1 Goes on to allege that both brands fail to meet the regulatory requirements to label themselves as 100% agave in Mexico and the United States, even though they carry that distinction on their labels.

Speaker 1 So, what are these brands?

Speaker 1 Click on that link where it says those brands. Oh, Casamigos and Don Julio contain significant amounts of non-agave alcohol despite being labeled as 100% agave.

Speaker 1 Customers named the suit claimed that they purchased the products under the assumption that the tequilas were made exclusively from Blue Weber agave and paid prices reflective of that premium designation.

Speaker 1 Somebody was cutting the product, son. Yeah.
That's how it goes. No one's paying attention.
History repeating itself over and over and over again. And those are big ones.

Speaker 2 I didn't expect it to be something I've heard of.

Speaker 1 But here's the question. Who did it? Right? You got to follow that web to go, okay, where did that money come from?

Speaker 1 Is it that guy? Is it like a manufacturer? Is it someone who's in the plant? Is it someone? Are they skimping? Are they ripping them off? Like, what? Who did it? Yeah. Who did it?

Speaker 1 You know? I mean, if you're an asshole and you're running the distillery and you're like, fuck those Don Julio people. And we have to, like, and you're like, I know how to make it better.

Speaker 1 I can make more money. And then he skims.
We're going to need 100 grand.

Speaker 1 It only costs 40. Greedy, greedy.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yeah.
Who knows? Who knows? It's probably a tangled web of scumbags that were using the company to make money.

Speaker 2 When I first worked at Giggles Comedy Club, the owner, like, we didn't really have a green room.

Speaker 2 We're just kind of in the back where like the soda tubes are going from the boxes of syrup and all the bottles of alcor back there. And

Speaker 2 he had one bottle of every kind of like top-shelf liquor, but he would just pour shitty liquor in there, like with funnels, like totally against the law.

Speaker 2 Just like funneling like the cheapest tequila he could get in like the finest tequila bottle. And then when people would, people would constantly bring it back, like, this tastes wrong.

Speaker 2 He goes, you saw me pour it from the bottle. And they're like, yeah, I guess.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 But I watched him do that so many times. That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because he could charge like this, you know, crazy amount, and then you just get the shittiest, cheapest tequila from like Costco or wherever the heck. That's so gross.
I know. That's so gross.

Speaker 1 I watched how many people do that all over the world. There's a lot of that going on.

Speaker 1 There was a great documentary about that. It's called Sour Grapes, and it's all about these wine guys that got duped.
They were buying this wine. It was like Thomas Jefferson's wine.

Speaker 1 Some dude was making it. Some dude in Century City was like making the labels.
He was putting over the bottle and putting dirt on

Speaker 1 yeah he was totally doing that that's he was mixing a bunch of cheap wine to try to come up with this flavor weird like it's always this was it a big wine guy like oh yeah oh really oh the dude he he this is how he fucked up he ripped off the koch brothers

Speaker 1 to a big like yeah and they had they bought some old ass like thomas jefferson wine and it wasn't real and then they also had some magnums from a company that never made magnums during that year they're during that era.

Speaker 1 And this actual wine guy saw their seller and sort of, what is this? And he says, that's this and that. He goes, no, no, no, they don't do that.
This is not from that. This is fake.

Speaker 1 And he was like, what? And so then they have a lot of resources, obviously. So they're like, release the house.
And then they, you know, they caught him.

Speaker 1 They get enough evidence that they can raid this guy's house. And so when they raid this guy's house, they find like a whole manufacturing thing.
He's got dirt and water.

Speaker 1 He's rubbing it on the labels. He's like making the labels old and shit.
That's hilarious. He's reusing old labels from wine that he had bought somewhere else and recorking it and sealing it.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's total scumbag.

Speaker 1 And he sold millions of dollars worth of like Faghazi wine to all these dorks that are like

Speaker 1 these dorks. Yeah, and they're all

Speaker 2 I spent this much on this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It has an essence of tannin. There's a woody, a woody aftertaste, almost chocolate.
Oh, it tasted chocolate.

Speaker 2 I wish who caught him was a a somme. Like someone who was actually like, no, this tastes like shit.

Speaker 1 And like, I'd be like, oh, it's real. Like, there.
There is one somonier in that documentary that these other guys were like sniffing it, going, this is the real stuff. And the other guy gets it.

Speaker 1 He goes, no, this is crap. What is this shit? I love that.
And

Speaker 1 which is like a huge insult to the other fellows. Like, oh, I don't.
And they don't want to say they got duped. No, no, no.
This is the best, the best grapes during the best year.

Speaker 1 I have it. I have the grapes.

Speaker 2 Can't you taste the hint of Costco?

Speaker 2 you don't taste the box on this wine

Speaker 1 taste trade a joke that's hilarious what a weird thing it's a weird thing man but it's a fascinating documentary because it shows you what that thing really is it's like this weird club that they all belong to where they get real nerdy about a a flavor that's not that good right it's not that good but you want the finest so you believe the best wine is not as nearly as good as kool-aid that's

Speaker 1 far superior to the best wine ever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's not exclusive, you know, it's Kool-Aid.

Speaker 1 But it's like such a weird thing that some of it is so expensive and so revered that they have auctions for it.

Speaker 2 The autograph world is full of a bunch of bullcrap like that.

Speaker 2 Like, if you collect athletes' autographs and stuff, I'm friends with the guys at Icon Autograph in San Diego or whatever.

Speaker 2 And they're great guys, but like, I'll send them a photo of a thing and be like, this is selling at this, like, you know,

Speaker 2 hotel lobby.

Speaker 2 So they have those, you know, when you walk in, it'll be like a photo of Taylor Taylor Swift framed and it's just like her autograph on it it's selling for like five thousand dollars whatever and I sent him a thing because I the item was so unique that I was like this is pretty special it was a baseball autographed by Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe to have both those names like on the baseball I was like this there's no way this is at a silent auction right now for like a thousand bucks I sent it to my autograph guy and he goes dude there's like one of those in the world and it sold at auction for like millions or whatever So, this guy, just somebody, like you're like the guy you're describing, putting dirt on the thought he could pull one over and probably did.

Speaker 2 I mean, I didn't go whistleblow or anything, but like he definitely did. Someone just wrote Joe DiMaggio on a baseball in Marilyn Monroe and put it in a fancy case.

Speaker 2 And, you know, some schmuck has that right now in his living room telling everybody about this ball he bought.

Speaker 1 This guy committed suicide a week after the story went viral over the summer. Oh, my God.
He admitted to counterfeiting over $350 million in gear after police raid warehouses.

Speaker 1 and then he killed himself. The dealer says the scheme grew to be an addiction.
Wow.

Speaker 2 What did he

Speaker 1 all sorts of fake autographs? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.
Certified stuff. Based on sports.
All sorts of bullshit. So, of course, there's a lot of that.

Speaker 2 Oh, dude, tons of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 People repacking things. Of course.
You're always going to have that. That's wild.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's just what?

Speaker 2 I guess people's risk reward is fascinating to me, too. Like, you know about the Chauncey Phillips thing? What's that?

Speaker 2 He was the head coach. He's a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is the NBA thing. Yes.
Hall of Famer. The money scam.

Speaker 2 And then he's the coach of the Portland Trailblazers. So you have money coming in.

Speaker 1 You're not desperate.

Speaker 2 And then you're going to risk your entire reputation. You're going to risk your entire,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 bank account by doing gambling and doing all this like dumb shit. I'm like, why would, like, at that point, you think, no more risks.
Like, like, you're pretty good. Why, why do corruption?

Speaker 2 Why have like all this like gambling nonsense? It makes no sense to me. I get it if my friend does it who's broke and is like, dude, I had to pull some bullshit.
You know, times are tough.

Speaker 2 This guy's the head coach for the Portland Trailblazers. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 I think people get addicted to just pulling things off.

Speaker 2 That's what that one was saying, is that this guy said he was like,

Speaker 1 wow. Yeah.
Well, people are nuts, man.

Speaker 1 Gambling addiction is a weird one, man. And I think some of those guys, maybe they get a bunch of losses and then they want to get it back by rigging a game.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But they want to make it like so they definitely are going to win and they feel funny. It's like fun to get over.

Speaker 2 Like you rigged a game. You tricked them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's two baseball players for the Cleveland Indians right now.

Speaker 1 You bring that video where he accidentally struck people out and he's pissed. Yeah.
He used to go strike guys. Fuck.

Speaker 2 These two players, they'll never play. He's supposed to throw balls.
Yeah, for $5,000 a pitch, which is, you know, kind of chump change to guys who make $30 million a year.

Speaker 2 You know, like, that's not like, that's good money for me, but that's not good money for these guys.

Speaker 2 And they're like supposed to throw a ball at a certain time or walk a player, like they were doing these different things, and they caught them. You know, these guys.

Speaker 1 So the prop bets thing is the weird one, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's what makes it weird that like draft kings and all these things are such a big part of sports now, right?

Speaker 1 Because you're just going to have organized criminals that get involved in that and exploit it. There's a UFC problem right now.
Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.
A UFC fight.

Speaker 1 So this was a story. A lot of the UFC has an organization.
I don't know what organization they use. Maybe you could find out, Jamie.

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 monitors unusual betting activity in any fight. So, the moment there's any unusual betting activity,

Speaker 1 they contact the UFC. The UFC contacts this fighter, says, Hey, you're the favorite to win this fight.
There's a lot of unusual betting activity on you to lose. Like, are you okay? Is everything fine?

Speaker 1 Are you injured? No, no, I'm fine. I'm going to kill this fucking guy.
Okay, has anybody contacted you about this fight? No.

Speaker 1 So, he goes out, loses in the first round, gets submitted, rear-naked choke, doesn't look good. Immediately, the UFC says, we called the FBI.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 now, apparently, there's an investigation of many fights. Right.

Speaker 1 And there's a web, it seems like, of people that have contacted fighters and said, I will give you X amount of dollars if you lose this fight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and a bunch of people have said no to it and publicly talked about how they said no to it.

Speaker 1 You know, really good fighters and even went on to lose the fight, you know, unfortunately, and didn't get the money, but

Speaker 1 we're open about it. Yeah.
So it's one, like Patchy Mix, who is

Speaker 1 Bellator champion, came over to the UFC, and he said that someone, I think he said somebody offered him $70,000 or something like that to lose a fight.

Speaker 1 Something crazy. I might be wrong if it was him that said that number.
It might have been someone else.

Speaker 1 But so they're offering dudes like a big pile of cash to lose to a fighter that they might have lose, might lose to him anyway. Right.

Speaker 1 You know, like it's probably a tight matchup anyway, but if you definitely lose, so what do you do? You don't fight as hard. You make mistakes.
You do something stupid.

Speaker 1 You know, you let them take you back.

Speaker 1 You get choked out. And if you're good at defense, you might be able to, as long as you're getting submitted, you know, you're not probably not going to get hurt that bad.

Speaker 1 And you'll be able to make an extra 70 grand when you might be getting 10,000 to fight. Right? So now all of a sudden you got 80 grand.

Speaker 1 Are you allowed to agree with it, obviously? I think it's fucking terrible.

Speaker 2 Are you allowed to bet on yourself to win? Is that a thing?

Speaker 1 Well, I know fighters have in the past. Because

Speaker 1 I think UFC fighters right now are not capable of betting on the UFC. I think it's not just the fighters, but the commentators, the coaches, referees, everybody.

Speaker 1 No one's supposed to be betting on the UFC because there was another betting scandal. And so the other betting scandal was there's this guy who was an active MMA fighter and a really good coach.

Speaker 1 And he got accused of using this Discord server. And they were running like a gambling Discord server.
And a bunch of money came in on this dude to lose in the first round.

Speaker 1 And he went out there and he lost in the first round. And the word was that he was hurt and that it had been expressed to these people: bet against him because he's going to lose in the first round.

Speaker 1 And a lot of people made money. So this guy gets investigated.
The UFC bans him. I don't know what the status of of his case is,

Speaker 1 but they also banned the fighters that were training out of that gym.

Speaker 1 I don't know if this guy, see if this guy who just got in trouble, if he was connected to that gym.

Speaker 1 The gym is James Krause's gym.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I was fine with it.

Speaker 2 If they want to bet to win, you're like, I love that.

Speaker 1 Right. I love that too.
The thing is...

Speaker 2 It's easy to trace.

Speaker 1 When you were talking about like prop bets and stuff like that, losing the first round, you could just definitely lose in the first round and everybody makes $100,000. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like some people are going to take that. Right.
Especially if a guy is like pretty good, but realistically is not going to be a world champion. You know, maybe you're 32.

Speaker 1 Maybe you've got a lot of fucking...

Speaker 2 Maybe you're Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul.

Speaker 1 You might have alimony you have to pay off. You might have child support you have to pay off.
You're in debt and that's why you're fighting in the first place.

Speaker 1 And someone comes along and you're out of the hole now. You're going to get $100,000 to throw.
And they're just going to bet a ton of loot on you. Right.
And they're going to hope nobody notices.

Speaker 1 But I guess now people are noticing it. And you can kind of see if someone's not fighting back.
And that was the thing about this fight. I got to see it, obviously, when I knew the controversy.

Speaker 1 I didn't see it live.

Speaker 1 So I didn't have fresh eyes. You know, I didn't see it live and go, God, why is that guy fighting off the choke so badly?

Speaker 2 There's a bunch of NBA guys. Some Instagram account is really good.

Speaker 1 He found

Speaker 2 just dry throat.

Speaker 1 How do you sip of water? I got nothing. Why you sip water? Yes, he was

Speaker 1 previously coached by James Krauss. Come on, what are you going to call me coach by that? Say that again, Jay? He was previously coached by James Rouse.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So this guy who allegedly threw this fight was also coached by this guy who was involved in the betting scandal.

Speaker 2 So that's why computers are good.

Speaker 2 Those kind of little things where you can find that like, oh, this is on you. Like computers help in that way for sure.

Speaker 1 That's a tangled web if you're involved with people that are making money gambling and not on the square so the thing is if you're just gambling on the square if you just watch a fight like Pereira versus Ankalaev 2 and you say I like Pereira to get that title back I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is I'm putting too large too large on Poloton let's go that should that's totally fine and fun yeah but when it gets to you have a prelim fighter and he's only making 10 grand and someone offers offers him, you're going to get choked in the first round.

Speaker 1 And he's like, okay, I got it. I got it.
I got it. And the opponent probably doesn't even know.
So this guy has to figure out a way to give this guy back. Right.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's kind of funny. He's like leading him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have to give it to him. You have to give it to him.

Speaker 1 There's been fights like that. There's been fixed fights for sure.

Speaker 1 Oh, for sure. Has to be.

Speaker 2 Especially in boxing.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's weird.

Speaker 2 Because those boxers are, their lives are so tough.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 well, they've always done that throughout history. Guys have taken dives, you know, especially if you weren't connected enough.

Speaker 1 You know, if you were a guy that wasn't with a big-time manager who had a big-time lawyer and probably mob ties, mob ties, yeah. They all had mob ties.
You had to have mob ties.

Speaker 2 I'm going to lose a fight if the whole mob's going to kill my wife or something.

Speaker 1 Bro, you don't think Rocky Marciano had mob ties? For sure. If you're the heavyweight champion of the world and you're Italian, all the mobsters want to be your friend.
And you're a boxer?

Speaker 1 They love that. Flatlining everybody.

Speaker 2 It's funny to find out how many of these old guys didn't even like the sports.

Speaker 1 They just liked all the money part of it well marciano talked about it like that like it was it's just my job yeah but that guy was the freakiest training person i've ever heard of in boxing like the freakiest training regiment it was crazy like part of what made marciano so good was that he never got tired because he had this insane work ethic and he lost one fight when he was younger I think in the amateurs, because he got tired.

Speaker 1 And he decided after that fight, he was never going to lose a fight ever because he got tired.

Speaker 1 So he just put himself through this fucking insane routine where he would get up in the morning before any training. He would run 10 miles.
He would do his training.

Speaker 1 He would hit the heavy bag for hours. And then he would swim miles in the lake after training.
He would spar 100 rounds a week.

Speaker 1 He would just get to the point where, you know, we're talking about redlining? Yeah. And he did the same thing.

Speaker 1 He redlined to the point where he couldn't do it anymore, and then he retired undefeated. But does that red line, that kind of thing that he was doing, you can't do forever?

Speaker 1 And I watched this video about it the other day. I'm like, this is bananas.
Just to watch that guy's work ethic. And back when nobody had anything, you have no creatine.
There's no vitamins.

Speaker 2 You know what I think about when you say the redlining thing?

Speaker 2 And maybe it's just because I'm influenced by his, like, the videos he posts and the things he does.

Speaker 2 But every time I know Michael Chandler, and like, every time, like, I see this guy, like, he's like, oh, you're in Arizona, like, swing by the gym.

Speaker 1 And he's like, throwing the thing.

Speaker 2 Like, he's just always like in this, like, he's, I'm going to shoot a TV TV show tomorrow but I got to work out it like he's always so

Speaker 1 tremendous discipline full on yeah like

Speaker 2 never seen him just going I'm taking a month off or we're going to the pool that's why he's still elite at 38

Speaker 1 I believe he's 38 now right how old is Michael Chandler I believe he's 38

Speaker 1 but that's why he's so elite he's never gotten out of shape

Speaker 1 39 39 because that guy people don't even know about the wars that he got in with Eddie Alvarez when they were at Bellator That's what I met him was Bellator.

Speaker 1 That's the one of the greatest fights in MMA history went unseen by a giant chunk of MMA fans because they didn't pay attention to Bellator.

Speaker 1 But this, the Eddie Alvarez, Michael Chandler fights in Bellator were nuts. Really? I mean nuts.
Play a clip of it. I mean nuts.

Speaker 1 Like from the opening bell, two mad fucking roosters just attacking each other. It is, it's so wild.

Speaker 2 Were those Belitaire guys redlining because they just wanted to get to UFC? Like, they're still climbing the ladder. They're still in the hunt?

Speaker 1 Well, they were just, these guys just redlined their entire career. Eddie Alvarez went on to become a UFC

Speaker 1 lightweight champion when he beat Jafael Dos Sancho's, huge upset. Eddie Alvarez is a fucking beast.

Speaker 1 But these two guys from the opening of the first fucking seconds of the fight, look, this is the beginning of the fight. Chandler's just throwing himself at him, just sprinting at him.
Drops him.

Speaker 1 Bro, drops him again. Look at this.
It's crazy. Alvarez survives somehow, and he fires back.
Bro, these fights are nuts. The fights, I think they had, I know they definitely had two.

Speaker 1 I don't think they had three. But the two fights that they had together were fucking insane.
I mean, the entire pace of the fight was fought like this. He's awesome, dude.

Speaker 1 And they're really evenly matched. It was a really good matchup.
Alvarez looks a little bigger than him.

Speaker 1 Chandler's a fucking tank, dude.

Speaker 2 Dude, Chandler's the best.

Speaker 1 And he's got crazy wrestler power from the legs, you know, so when he leaps at you, like when he knocked out Dan Hooker, he lunges at you like he's shooting a double and throws a left hook at the same time.

Speaker 1 When he knocked out Dan Hooker in his UFC debut, who is a really respectable MMA fighter, a very good fighter, but he just got caught.

Speaker 1 Find that one, Jamie. Find Michael Chandler KO's Dan Hooker because this was his UFC debut.
And again, Dan Hooker is like an elite elite fighter, which is one of the reasons why it was so impressive.

Speaker 1 And the fight starts out, and Chandler does the same fucking, this is his first fight in the UFC, the same shit he did in Bellator. He just charges forward.
I love it.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is how he always fights. It's do or die.
That's why this guy's lost a ton of times, but he's still a huge fan favorite. It's because you know you're going to see this.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's just throwing

Speaker 1 bombs. Oh, big cap.

Speaker 1 He's just so dangerous, man. Because everything is 100%.

Speaker 1 Oh, that one hurt. That was just one, two.

Speaker 1 Here comes.

Speaker 1 And look at the immediate.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 Big knockdown for Michael Chandler.

Speaker 1 Big right hand. Dan's hurt.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 It's over. Michael Chandler.
Bro,

Speaker 2 that's a wrap, bro.

Speaker 1 He's in the deep. And then he does a backflip off the top of the cage.

Speaker 1 Bro, that's a freak. Dude.
Freak athlete.

Speaker 2 I met him, so I was doing a prank show for MTV called Money from Strangers, which was kind of like Impractical Jokers, but way darker.

Speaker 2 Like, we were like a lot edgier before money or before Impractical Jokers. And so they'd always send me to like MTV movie awards or any kind of those things.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I don't know, I live in New York. They're gonna send a car.
I get to go on a red carpet, whatever. I'll drink.

Speaker 2 I'll make it fun. And they happened to be behind me.
The Bellatory guys happened to be the next guys in the red carpet line. And the way the red carpet works is no one cares about us at all.

Speaker 2 They're just waiting to get like Miley Cyrus or Beyonce or whoever the hell it is.

Speaker 2 So like we're basically, the photos they're taking are just something we're going to save off the internet because no one gives a shit. They were like all Bellador guys.

Speaker 2 So people at this movie awards don't necessarily care.

Speaker 2 These guys are behind me. And they're like, this guy's fun because I'm making all these jokes and like goofing around.
And I was already kind of like buzzed up.

Speaker 2 And so then that Michael Chandler and these two other like Bellator guys, Brog the Predator, you know who he is?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 He was a Bellator guy too, a Cleveland guy. Okay.
Big guy. He's awesome too.
But anyways, these three guys.

Speaker 2 And they were like, this is kind of dumb. And I was like, yeah, this shit's kind of gay.
I don't want to be here, you know? And then they were like, let's just go drink.

Speaker 2 And so we just drank and met people and hung out. And they're like, want to get subway? And we got in a car and got and got subway.
And I just hung out with these dudes all night.

Speaker 2 And I've been pals with them ever since.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it's like, I didn't really know what they did. I just kind of knew that they were like fighter guys.
And so, like, I thought they were in UFC at that time. And they weren't.

Speaker 2 They were in whatever was on that day.

Speaker 1 And that was paying really well. And Bellator had a pretty good following for a while.
I mean, it was doing really well. There were some real elite fighters out of Bellator.

Speaker 1 And a lot of guys, like, they came over to the UFC because they became

Speaker 1 famous in Bellator. Like, Ben Askren, he came over from Bellator.
He actually did a stint at one FC before he came to UFC eventually. But there's a lot of guys that never came over, you know? Yes.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately. Like Douglas Lima.
Douglas Lima, at one point in time, was one of the best welterweights alive. And, you know, he was the Beltor champion.

Speaker 1 He's like the only guy that's ever knocked out Michael Venom Page.

Speaker 2 Do they have like an MMA Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 Yes, there's a UFC Hall of Fame. And I think there's an MMA one too, maybe.
The MMA Awards. I don't know.
I don't know. It sucks.
There's a UFC Hall of Fame, though.

Speaker 2 But that's UFC guys.

Speaker 1 I know. It sucks.
I know.

Speaker 1 Some guys, they wait too long in these other organizations, unfortunately. And the reality of the sport is, you know, there's a bunch of different organizations you can compete for.

Speaker 1 And I think if the PFL is paying you more money, go to the PFL. Do whatever you want to do.
But if you really want to be the world champion, you have to be the UFC champion.

Speaker 1 That's just how it is right now. It's like major league business.

Speaker 1 It's like in boxing. If you're the undisputed champion, you have all belts, then you're Terence Crawford.

Speaker 1 But if you're like a WBA champion and there's also a WBC champion and an IBF champion, that shit's too confusing to the average person.

Speaker 1 And for most people, the UFC is for good or for bad.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying that's just how most people think of it.

Speaker 2 That's how I probably annoyed them that night because I was like, oh, you guys are UFC guys? And they're like, we're Bellator.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't go looking for cotton swabs. You go buy Q-tips.
You look for Q-tips. That's what it is.
You're not just watching pro football. You're watching the fucking NFL.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 And if you're so bored, you're watching the XFL. You start

Speaker 1 going, I got to go to the the gun range or something. I gotta clear my head.
Yeah, well, what happened? I gotta do something different.

Speaker 1 But I feel like that's just for better or for worse. It's just how it is.
That's how it is in America. We don't have a lot of attention span.

Speaker 1 And if it's gonna be elite fighting, it's gotta be there's like one organization that we follow. Sorry.
Yeah. And I follow them all.
I follow everything.

Speaker 1 I try to pay as much attention to Muay Thai as I do to boxing as I do to wrestling and jiu-jitsu tournaments. I try to pay attention to everything.

Speaker 1 Just because I want to know who's coming up, who's good, what's new, what different things are people trying that they've never done before.

Speaker 2 Did you see Holly Holm did wrestling?

Speaker 1 Bro. She's a fucking athlete.

Speaker 2 She's the best.

Speaker 1 LA's an athlete. After her fights, Mike Wicklejohn used to like like she used to stand on his hands and do a backflip after all of her fights.
It's amazing. See if you can find that.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 She would win and then he would do this backflip.

Speaker 2 She would just add a place to watch wrestling. And then there was something she could sign up for.

Speaker 1 And she's like, fuck it, I'll do it. Bro, L.A.

Speaker 2 And they were like, Really? Because she's famous, so they were like, We'll let you be part of it. She goes, Sure, and she did, and she was just like, The second they said her name, everyone cheered.

Speaker 2 It was like, not like a huge, grandiose plan thing, there was no contract, there was no anything. She just did it.
It was like this year, she just texted me about it. I go, What?

Speaker 2 Like, did they go crazy? And she's like, No, like, I mean, like, it was just fun, it was a fun thing.

Speaker 1 I thought, why not? Yeah, that's the thing. We'll show that again.
Watch that. She's the best.
Watch how they did this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So cool. That was the thing they would do after all our fights.

Speaker 1 She had fucking back muscle, son.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. Yeah, what'd she say? Oh, she said, the guy, like her manager, whoever she asked about it briefly was like, he was like, well, what if you get hurt?

Speaker 1 And her,

Speaker 2 this is great.

Speaker 1 She goes, yeah, but what if I win?

Speaker 2 And I was like, what a great response. And he was like, fuck it, let her do it.
And so she did it. And I was like, that is the coolest thing.
That's why a mentality.

Speaker 1 Multi-sport martial arts champion. She's the best.
She was a champion in kickboxing. You know, she had a champion in boxing, women's women's boxing, MMA.
She did the full trifecta. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's the kind of crazy. And she's a really nice lady, too.
That's what I like about her. Yeah, she's a cool sweetheart.

Speaker 2 I don't know a lot of fighters. I named all the fighters I know.
Michael Chandler and Holly Holmes.

Speaker 1 That Holly Holm fight with Ronda Rousey was nuts. That was in Australia.
It was a huge crowd. It's like a massive arena, man.

Speaker 1 And when she landed that head kick and you realize that Rhonda was out and then she's hammer-fisting everyone. It just didn't even, it was like when Mike Tyson got beat.

Speaker 1 Remember when Mike Tyson, you were too young, but when I was a kid, Buster Douglas. When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, I saw it.
I heard about it. I didn't watch it.
I saw a tape of it.

Speaker 1 And I still thought he was going to get up.

Speaker 1 He knew the outcome. I was like, he gets up.
He has a lot of stuff. There's no way.
There's no way.

Speaker 2 No, I remember that for sure because Mike Tyson was larger than life.

Speaker 2 And he was so one of those celebrities that you knew everything he was doing.

Speaker 2 Stars shined really brightly back then. There was like Michael Jackson.
You knew Michael Jordan. You knew Michael Jackson.
You knew

Speaker 1 they would go out. Yeah.
They would go to places and people would

Speaker 2 big deal. Yeah.
Mike Tyson. I remember being in the kingdom watching a baseball game.
It was the same night. I was a little boy.

Speaker 2 And they put on the screen that Mike Tyson was disqualified for biting Evander Holyfield's ear. And the whole stadium reacted.

Speaker 2 Like, I mean, like, they didn't interrupt a baseball game, but they put it up there because the news was so large. Like, it was a very big deal.

Speaker 1 Bro, he bit him twice.

Speaker 1 That was crazy.

Speaker 1 I watched the first fight today. I watched the first Evander Holyfield.
Why'd you watch it today? I just felt like watching it. I love that.
I do that.

Speaker 1 Like when I'm in the gym, I'll pick an old fight and I'll put it on. And I put on that fight.
I was like, wow, that was a crazy fight.

Speaker 2 I can't work out unless David Goggins is calling me a pussy in my headset. That's all I listen to.
You don't know me, son.

Speaker 1 Dude, it's the best.

Speaker 2 Every time I'm working, I was at Equinox this morning. I had David Goggins in my thing, just going, you're a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 You can do better, Jeff. You can be bigger.

Speaker 2 Goggins is the best. That's what I listen to.
Or those kind of like YouTube things where they compile, you know, it's like just all motivation stuff with music over it.

Speaker 1 You don't seem like a guy who needs motivation. No, do it for fun.

Speaker 2 I like it. Yeah, and it keeps me in the mindset.
I always channel all of it back to like stand-up comedy, you know, because like I'm working towards something. I'm in the hunt.
I'm climbing.

Speaker 2 And so, like, they could be talking about a battle and war. And I'm still like, yep, that's what I'm, what's next? I'm going to, yeah, I'm climbing.
You know, I'm still hungry.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a fun time. It's a fun thing to do.
Yeah. You know, the fact that you get to do it.

Speaker 2 Well, also, like, otherwise I'd just sleep till noon or sleep till one, you know? But, like, if I have that, I'm like, no, I got to get up and write, or I got to get up and, you know.

Speaker 1 Here's the question. You, you're doing this, obviously, and you're doing this for the love of the thing.

Speaker 1 And you said that if you didn't need money and you didn't even get paid money, you would still do it. And I think the same way.
I would do it too.

Speaker 1 But what do you think about the idea of universal basic income? Because this is something that is being discussed with automation and with AI.

Speaker 1 And we were having a conversation about the other day with Elon, and he was saying that he thinks that AI can generate so much productivity that you could have universal high income.

Speaker 1 And then I went, wait, okay.

Speaker 1 Am I...

Speaker 1 Are we married to this idea that everything that you do in life, you have to be doing just for money? Because that's what it is now.

Speaker 1 If you're a professional, you're doing it for money. If you're a professional podcaster, if you're a race car driver, you're doing it for money, right? Why are we married to that?

Speaker 1 And if you didn't need money and no one needed money, would you just find a thing you love to do?

Speaker 1 And would we be able to rewire our brains and still have some feeling of value and of identity and without being attached to an occupation?

Speaker 1 Like, isn't it possible that we've just tricked ourselves into thinking that the only only way to live is to live in a way where everything you're doing, you're doing is for money?

Speaker 1 And then if it's just everybody does their best at things and enough money is generated so that basically everybody has, like what he was saying, a universal high income. What does that mean?

Speaker 1 Like, is that a feasible thing? Like, what is AI going to do with production? What is AI going to do with automation, resource extraction?

Speaker 1 How much money is going to be generated that you're going to be able to literally have the the entire population of the country under universal high income? Is that even possible? And if it is,

Speaker 1 what happens to people's desire? What happens to their dreams? Do they just find a thing like you and I have and do that and not care about money and really be into the thing? Can't that be taught?

Speaker 1 If it's taught to you, if you figured it out and I figured it out, if people have figured it out, they figured out like find a thing you love and you're never going to work again because you're going to love doing it, whether it's building cars or painting or carpentry.

Speaker 1 If you really fucking love doing it, you do it because you love it.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't that be a better way to live? I know, I know, you can't do it. I know.
I know, no, no, no, no, no, I know, no, no, it wouldn't work. There's too much money in the stock market.
I get it.

Speaker 1 I get it. It wouldn't work.
But as a thought experiment, wouldn't that be a way that's possible for people to live if it's possible for you to live that way?

Speaker 1 If it's possible for me to live that way, if it's possible to find enough people that are willing to do and love to do all the things that we need to keep a society running.

Speaker 2 I think the point of life, in my opinion, is meaning.

Speaker 2 So you associate whatever

Speaker 2 that means to you, right? So like a lot of people find meaning in being a mom or a dad. That gives them enough.

Speaker 2 They have that meaning. Or

Speaker 2 they have a hammer to hold on to.

Speaker 2 They need that meaning.

Speaker 2 I need comedy.

Speaker 2 Like that's why when my brain broke during covet is because i didn't have comedy i didn't have an outlet how long did you go without doing any comedy i mean realistically i only went a few days because i was doing like zooms and i was doing like underground things for rich guys i like i was the first comic me and brad williams were the first comics to go work in a comedy club with the new covet restrictions we were the because they didn't they knew if they called me or brad we'd say yes like like i like keith stubbs called me from salt lake goes we're thinking about doing a show with all the restrictions and just see if the if the government shuts us down.

Speaker 2 Would you be willing to come? And I was like, yes. I don't even talk about price.
I just go, yes. Like, I, because I need it.
Now, why do I need it? Because that's where I personally find my meaning.

Speaker 2 Now, if I maybe was at home and going, man, I'm getting a lot more time with my kids and I'm getting a lot more time with my wife and like things are pretty productive around here.

Speaker 2 That's where I would have put my meaning. You know, I think like and it's just where we put it.
It's where we kind of put it. And I think so a lot of people

Speaker 2 find a lot of value in their jobs that make them the money, but that's that gives them something to do. Don't you think?

Speaker 1 Yes, I do think that. But what you're saying about

Speaker 1 what you're saying about finding meaning and having a family or finding me,

Speaker 1 yes, for sure. But also, I think the human mind needs activities.
Right. I don't think it's just raising children only.

Speaker 1 I think you should probably have things that you love to do as well, just for your own sanity.

Speaker 1 But if you

Speaker 1 didn't have to worry about money, you'd still be involved in this pursuit of stand-up comedy because you love it.

Speaker 1 All the stuff that people do just for money, like the guy who does the fucking septic tanks, that guy's not having a good time. He's smelling other people's shit all day.

Speaker 1 He's pumping out other people's shit all day. That can't be fun, right? But we need him.
Right, we need him until the robots come. And then you don't need him anymore.
So, this is the point.

Speaker 1 Like, what does that guy do to find some sort of meaning? He's probably not finding meaning in pulling shit out of people's ground. He's probably would like to do something different.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm so naive that I'm like, no, that guy should be proud of himself. Like, I'm really, I look at plumbers like heroes.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm like, dude, the guy that like fixed the electrical in my house, I'm like, I love you, dude. Like, whatever I can pay you.

Speaker 1 Bro, I had a septic problem at my house once. One of my houses in California when I first moved there, and it was so nasty.

Speaker 1 When I would flush the toilet, the bathtub would fill up, and And I was like, what is this? Those are linked? Yeah. Well, what it was was the septic system.
There was a pump. I was living on a hill.

Speaker 1 And the pump would pump it up the hill, the poop water, and then the pump broke. And so they ought to get in there and get the pump out in the poop water and put a new instar.

Speaker 1 And that guy's my hero.

Speaker 1 Like that guy, we need that guy. That's a Bud Light commercial.
Heal the man.

Speaker 1 I love you. That's why I like cops.

Speaker 2 And like what you were saying earlier, but the military, the nurses, like they're going to send a robot to fix your poop.

Speaker 1 The robots. People do it.
A robot's going to do it, and it's going to do it perfectly with AI, and you're not going to need a person to get covered in shitwater. Okay.

Speaker 1 And that guy's going to get a lot of money just to sit at home. But then what does he do? Right.
That's the thing. Yeah.
Because I think a lot of it's going to happen really quickly.

Speaker 1 This is something that Andrew Yang was

Speaker 1 talking about years ago. And it was sort of, I agree with him, but it was a little abstract then.
And now this was way back, was that 2020 when Andrew Yang was running for president?

Speaker 1 I've never heard of Andrew Yang.

Speaker 1 You don't know, what's that? 2016. Was it 2016? I think so.
It might have been 2016. You never heard of Andrew Yang?

Speaker 1 Brilliant guy. And had a very good point.

Speaker 1 Sorry, 2020. 2020.

Speaker 1 He had a brilliant. Yeah, I didn't think it was that long ago.

Speaker 1 A great point about automation and that one day automation is going to remove a lot of jobs, including

Speaker 1 drivers, right? Like you're seeing it with these Wevos.

Speaker 1 So there's that is like that's the first, that's the first sounds. That's the first shot fired across the bow of a crazy war where the robots are going to take all our jobs.

Speaker 1 Because that is now, you have these Tesla trucks that are automated and they can, you know, like my car, my Tesla, I just press a button. It does all the driving.
It does everything.

Speaker 1 I don't have to do shit. I can literally just sit there with my hands on the wheel and barely pay attention if I wanted to.
I don't do it.

Speaker 2 I never do it either. I have it and I don't do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's nuts. So that's going to be the future.
And there's going to be no driving jobs. And okay.
And then what about everything else? Well, everything else, manufacturing, is out the window.

Speaker 1 Robots are going to do it 24 hours a day. They're going to be more efficient.
No unions, no healthcare, no need for nothing. They're never going to fuck up.
Everything's going to be categorized.

Speaker 1 They have sets, these

Speaker 1 mining operations in China where everything's automated. There's no people working at all.
The trucks are driving. They're getting recharged.
They're fucking picking up the coal.

Speaker 1 They're moving the coal. They're bringing it somewhere else.
It's all automated. It's bananas, man.
So that's just a massive erasion or erasing of jobs.

Speaker 2 They're just going to go away. Well, the dot-com did that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I think this is way bigger, dude. I think this is way bigger.
I think this happens. And first, everybody's like, oh, this sucks.
And it's like, oh, my God, it's not stopping.

Speaker 1 It's not stopping. It's taking over everything.
It's going to be

Speaker 1 jobs. There's going to be no more need for lawyers, no more accountants, no more

Speaker 1 coders. Like all that stuff's going to be done with AI.

Speaker 1 It's going to get so weird if you're going to college right now because you could be going to college for something that's absolutely obsolete in three years. Sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, but so

Speaker 2 I get that problem.

Speaker 2 But someone's introducing an idea that they just give money to people for free so they don't because of this?

Speaker 1 Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 If that becomes something that controls everything, which is really ultimately what it's probably going to do, controls all of our power grid, all of our waste management resources, everything.

Speaker 1 It's going to control everything. It's going to generate insane amounts of wealth.
But the question is, like, how does it even get distributed? How does that part of that?

Speaker 1 How does that work? Who's got the money? If you're just giving people money and then they what they're doing.

Speaker 2 Now everyone's a trust fund kid in a way.

Speaker 1 You know, they don't do anything they just sit around and eat and what do you what do you get people involved with to occupy their time you know do you encourage them to join religious groups do you get them to be involved in games do we try to give people meaning we are we all just gonna sit around and wait for the robots to just take over and we're gonna be the last civilization of real people 100 years from now they're gonna be like i think i want to do what the robots do people like what you know in the old times you know people would actually have to do it, and then maybe there'd be like a movement of that, you know?

Speaker 1 Dude, the Terminator was accurate. Yeah.
Oddly accurate.

Speaker 1 Remember,

Speaker 1 you remember the first time you saw that movie? Like, this will never happen.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you a funny story about that Terminator.

Speaker 2 I was on mushrooms with my buddy Randy, and he forgot that he was at a long-distance girlfriend. He forgot that he was going to call her.

Speaker 2 And so we just ate, you know, four grams of mushrooms. Like it big, like we just crushed them, right?

Speaker 1 It was COVID, you know?

Speaker 2 And we had nowhere to be is the point. So we just went, we're going full journey, you know, we're going to do a bunch.

Speaker 2 And we eat them, we're sitting there, and then he, he goes, all right, I forgot I was going to call Rachel. And I'm like, all right.
But it starts to kick in a little bit.

Speaker 2 He left Terminator on, and then his gay roommate is like on a first date in the kitchen. So there's two like cute guys like flirting with each other.

Speaker 2 And one of them barely knows me and the other one doesn't know anybody in the apartment. And I'm just sitting there watching Terminator.

Speaker 2 And like, he can't be killed you know Terminator he's like the bullets are just going through him and then the metal just kind of starts forming again and I'm just sitting there and I don't know if I was there for 20 minutes I don't know if I was there for seven hours and I'm just freaking the fuck out going god damn he can't kill these terminators and these gay guys keep looking at me and I don't know what Randy's doing I thought he just abandoned me forever I had like I can't even watch Terminator the same anymore luckily he came down and goes all right let's go to the roof and I was like thank god you're here I went up there and talked about it all but like I was freaking the fuck up.

Speaker 1 How long was he on the phone for? Don't know.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna guess 15, 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 But it seemed forever.

Speaker 2 Oh, it seems so long. And I'm just sitting there overthinking everything.
And then also the Terminator movie just seemed like so pointless.

Speaker 1 I'm like, why?

Speaker 2 You can't kill it. Just surrender.
You know, you can't shoot through this thing.

Speaker 1 Well, didn't it come back eventually and become a good guy in the later movies?

Speaker 2 I don't know which version of the Terminator I was watching. Like, it was T2 or T3 or whatever, but it was.

Speaker 1 How many have there been? I don't know. How many?

Speaker 1 It wasn't Fast First. First the Furious's or Terminators?

Speaker 1 Well, Fast and the Furious. Fast and the Furious didn't also become a TV show, I don't think, yet.

Speaker 2 I just saw the new Predator and it fucking rules.

Speaker 1 Terminator became a TV show? Yeah. When?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Really? Did you see the new Predator? Thera Connor Chronicles.

Speaker 1 No, I haven't seen the New Predator. Dude, it rules.
When was this? 2008. 2008? Yep.
Huh.

Speaker 2 I didn't watch it.

Speaker 1 That looks ridiculous.

Speaker 1 That was the thing.

Speaker 1 They went down the rabbit hole with Terminator, but there's a bunch of, there's probably like six movies now.

Speaker 2 I think I was watching like T2 or T3.

Speaker 1 Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation.

Speaker 1 Six of them. You know, the last ones that just try to wring that towel out and get a couple more drops of blood.

Speaker 2 You ever seen the Leprechaun movies?

Speaker 1 Yes. Dude, after a while, they're just like, Leprechaun goes to space?

Speaker 1 Leprechaun in the hood?

Speaker 2 Like, it was just literally

Speaker 2 put the leprechaun in some setting.

Speaker 1 It's funny that that one caught. You know, like some things catch and they become like cult classics.
The leprechaun movies were cult classics. Very good.
Yeah. And the troll movie?

Speaker 1 You ever see the troll movie?

Speaker 2 I saw troll 2, which is like the worst film that's ever been made. Have you seen that? Which one's that? There was no troll one.
They just made troll 2.

Speaker 2 It's so bad. It's phenomenal.
Like, it's absolutely

Speaker 2 the best watch. If you watch Troll 2, you'll watch the first scene or whatever, and you'll go, oh, he's the worst actor I've ever seen in my life.
And then the next person will come in the scene.

Speaker 2 You go, oh, no, she's the worst actor. And it just keeps going.
Everyone is worse than the next person.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. So bad.
I think they remade Troll 2 and it's coming out on Netflix in a couple weeks.

Speaker 2 You're kidding.

Speaker 1 I just Googled Troll 2 and there's a trailer for a movie coming out this afternoon.

Speaker 2 They made a documentary about it called Best Worst Movie.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. And oh, you're kidding.

Speaker 2 No, this is different. Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 These are pretty awesome. This is kind of called Troll 2.
I don't know what the fuck it came from.

Speaker 1 Does the troll have a big dick there in her life? That's his tail or something? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's got a tail. It is weird that he doesn't have a dick, though.

Speaker 1 What's like, why does he conveniently have like animal skins over his dick? 1990 was when another one came out. He's that gross.
I would imagine he wouldn't, would be totally comfortable being naked.

Speaker 2 Just who cares?

Speaker 1 You're not modest.

Speaker 1 Why are you going to cover your giant dick? Yeah. Your giant bulletproof.
Show it off while you kill people. Swinging while you're stomping on people.

Speaker 1 The last thing to do is see that helmet dropping down. That's why you lost your house.

Speaker 2 Look at the size of my cock.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is ridiculous. Why would he be vain? Or why would he be modest?

Speaker 1 You know what's supposed to be really good? Looks really good? Is that new

Speaker 1 Frankenstein Frankenstein on this? Oh, yeah, the Guillermo Dotoro.

Speaker 2 I haven't seen that. But you don't like the Predator movies?

Speaker 1 They're good.

Speaker 1 I liked the Prey one.

Speaker 1 Pretty good. That was a good one.
Yeah. Fun.

Speaker 2 You know, the Commander. A lot of Indians dying in that, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 That one felt weird. This one, I don't want to spoil anything, but they definitely stray from the rules of being a predator.

Speaker 1 But it's so good. Really? Is it really good? It's really good.
Yeah, I loved it. Oh, it's the one where the, is she a robot?

Speaker 2 She's a robot. Which also makes it more realistic that she's so, like,

Speaker 2 able to do everything. Anytime I would start to feel sexist, like, oh my gosh, they did this, like, girl power thing.
You're like, no, she's just a robot they made look like a woman.

Speaker 2 So it's not like you have to feel like it's not, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 So this is predators getting fucked up here?

Speaker 2 So it's based off this one runt predator. who's on that's why he looks kind of weird and shit

Speaker 2 alert no that's the that's the predator yeah i didn't spoil anything But he's like a little runt. Oh.
And so that's why he's out to prove himself. Like, because he's smaller than all of them.

Speaker 2 He's missing a fang. He looks a little weird.
But that's because he's supposed to look weird. Because a lot of people are like,

Speaker 2 this predator looks stupid.

Speaker 1 Damn, 85% of the rants are.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. 93% like this movie.
No shit. I loved it, dude.
I like when they can do that with a movie. You know, you think, like, oh, what is this going to be? Right.
Flip it on its head.

Speaker 1 That's how I felt. Oh.

Speaker 2 And every time there would be a thing where I'd start to criticize it, like, like I'd be like, this feels like Mortal Kombat. And then in my mind, I'd go, Jeff, you love Mortal Kombat.

Speaker 2 And I was like, all right. And then the next part I'd be like, this is kind of Star Wars.
I'm like, but I love Star Wars. So I kept coaching myself.

Speaker 2 And then after a while, I was like, this movie's really good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to just enjoy things. Yeah.
That's what I tell people when I play AI music for them. Like, just enjoy it.
Forget about the fact the robots are taking over. This is great music.

Speaker 2 This is a pattern of every famous person I know. What did you say, Jamie?

Speaker 1 Great is tough.

Speaker 1 Which one's tough? Great. Great is a weird word.

Speaker 1 Amazing. How about that? Very good.
That what up gangsta is amazing. You know it is.

Speaker 1 I've gone down these rabbit holes too watching cover songs, though, like my favorite cover song and finding different bands doing good versions of it. They're real.
They're real. Listen,

Speaker 1 the real bands are better, for sure, because it's a real band. So it's a real person.

Speaker 1 But I love listening to AI music. I know there's one going vibe.
I've never even heard of this.

Speaker 1 It's not officially number one. It's like a weird designation, but there's a song that's number one on the country digital sales chart by a completely AI band.

Speaker 2 Well, DJs, DJs kind of did that.

Speaker 2 DJs were kind of like the first version of that. Like they're putting in their robot and then like making the songs and sampling and stuff.
So this is just, I mean, it's not that far deviating.

Speaker 1 This is way deviating. This is, you could change the kind of song.
Like you could have like a little Charlie Crockett, a little Elvis Presley. You could mix it.

Speaker 1 They were like, they're essentially drawing from all the songs that have ever been made. So all the best sounds that anybody's ever sung.
It has to be good. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 It's so good. It has to be.
The way you just described it,

Speaker 2 it has all the music.

Speaker 1 We'll wrap this up, Jeff, and we'll wrap this up, and I'll play you a little what up, gangster.

Speaker 1 We don't need the audience at home to hear this, but you need to hear this. Everyone to edit out anyway.

Speaker 2 So many successful people I know are really like big music heads.

Speaker 1 Oh, music is a drug, man. Yeah.
It's a marvelous drug that inspires you, makes you feel better, makes you move around.

Speaker 2 At Mothership, you guys are always playing good music up in that green room.

Speaker 1 And I'm always like, What is this?

Speaker 2 Like, every single time I think I'm in that green room, I'm always going, What's this one?

Speaker 1 Tony's got a bunch. Well, everybody contributes.
Everybody, when they find a cool song, we'll bring it into the green room, and then we'll add it to the

Speaker 1 playlist on Spotify is like 34 hours or something now. G, yeah, it's crazy because you just keep adding cool songs.
That's perfect. Jeff Dye, anything, website, Instagram, Twitter?

Speaker 2 I just launched a podcast. Oh, it's called Die Hard.

Speaker 1 I like it.

Speaker 2 Pretty good, yeah.

Speaker 1 D-Y-E-Hard.

Speaker 2 D-Y-E Hard. Okay.
Once a week comes out every week. You can watch it on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts.
It's on everything. I like the name.
Yeah. And then at first, I didn't.

Speaker 1 I don't know why. Because of you, I made it for everyone.

Speaker 2 You know, like I had it behind a thing on a Patreon and they're like, nah, don't do that.

Speaker 1 I'm growing. Yeah, it just won't grow.
That's the problem. Like, you get some money for a complete lack of.
Yeah. I'd rather everyone hear it.

Speaker 2 And then also, we'll start doing a thing where it's like once a week we'll do the,

Speaker 2 you know, a face-to-face where I have like an interview with somebody that I like and

Speaker 2 sit down and do like a proper podcast. Beautiful.
But yeah, and then JeffDie.com to find all my tour dates.

Speaker 1 And I'll see you tonight. Yes, sir.
Yes, sir. All right.
Thanks for having me, brother. All right.
Here's the music.