Ep. 1637 - This One Shocking Stat Proves That The American Dream Is Dying

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Speaker 12 Today, the Matt Wall Show, a startling statistic that not nearly enough people are talking about proves that the American dream is dying a rapid death.

Speaker 16 We'll discuss.

Speaker 20 Also, the woman who was beaten in that brutal mob attack in Cincinnati speaks out publicly for the first time.

Speaker 23 More and more people are turning to GPT for therapy.

Speaker 27 Is that really any worse, though, than going to an actual therapist?

Speaker 12 And a right-wing female influencer posted a picture of her engagement ring, which set off a week of outrage on social media for some reason.

Speaker 31 We'll talk about all that and more today than that wall show.

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Speaker 58 After I graduated from Vanderbilt, a man named Nathan Halberstadt began working at the Boston Consulting Group.

Speaker 38 This is a familiar path for students who attend schools that are highly ranked.

Speaker 35 Often they're hired by one of the big three consulting companies, which on paper means they'll provide useful advice for large businesses and the government, which is is how it's supposed to work anyway.

Speaker 43 Very quickly, though, Nathan realized what the job actually entailed.

Speaker 20 In his words, working for a big consulting group meant that you had to promote, quote, the bureaucratic optimization of opioid sales, mass migration, offshoring, and DEI.

Speaker 46 You had to churn out bogus statistics to advance anti-American agenda items, like that fake McKinsey study a few years back we've talked about, which claimed that diversity somehow makes companies more profitable.

Speaker 45 That's what consulting actually means in practice.

Speaker 47 New graduates from Vanderbilt aren't really walking into companies like Boeing and Apple and blowing their minds with their unique insights.

Speaker 65 Instead, in many cases, they're simply giving executives a pretext to do exactly what they wanted to do all along.

Speaker 30 So seeing all this, Nathan decided to quit.

Speaker 46 And instead of manipulating data to promote the destruction of the United States, he decided to spend his time actually identifying statistics that really matter.

Speaker 40 He would look through government data and try to find important connections that no one else has made before.

Speaker 35 And the other day, as you may have seen, Nathan accomplished that goal.

Speaker 51 He published this remarkable chart, which has already been cited by several members of Congress, seen by millions of people.

Speaker 69 And here it is.

Speaker 49 As you can see on the screen, it's a graph that shows the estimated percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and own a home.

Speaker 40 The data runs from 1950 all the way through 2025.

Speaker 42 In the 1950s, the number was more than 50%.

Speaker 52 In other words, in 1950, well over half of the 30-year-olds in the country were both married and living in a home that they owned by the age of 30.

Speaker 12 But as you can see, the percentage has been steadily dropping since then until it fell off a cliff in the 1990s.

Speaker 11 And now, in 2025, the percentage is well below 20%.

Speaker 61 In fact, according to this estimate, only around 15%, one five of 30-year-olds are married and own a home.

Speaker 15 Something that was once commonplace in this country is now rare, from over 50% to 15%.

Speaker 74 Now, right off the bat, it's impossible to look at an estimate like this without immediately asking,

Speaker 15 why haven't we heard these numbers before?

Speaker 23 For all the very granular information we have about gross domestic product and unemployment numbers and per capita manufacturing output, it took a random Vanderbilt grad to produce this particular chart.

Speaker 56 Now, to be sure, we all knew that these numbers were probably bad.

Speaker 17 It was very evident that fewer young people were getting married or owning homes, but the scale and the timing of the decline were not very clear.

Speaker 53 I mean, frankly, this is a lot worse than I think anyone realized, which is why the chart has attracted so much attention.

Speaker 17 But the numbers were always available to anyone who wanted to look for them.

Speaker 46 All you have to do is look up the marriage data from the U.S.

Speaker 21 Census Bureau, which tabulates the median age of first marriage along with Pew surveys on the percentage of people who are married at 30, and then factor in homeownership data from the census.

Speaker 45 You know, it's not a perfect calculation.

Speaker 46 Some estimation is involved.

Speaker 16 We just talked yesterday about the problems with census data, how unreliable it can be.

Speaker 64 But the overall story is pretty clear.

Speaker 34 It's corroborated by other sources.

Speaker 29 So it seems reliable.

Speaker 47 In Ohio, for example, researchers at

Speaker 14 Bowling Green State University have compiled similar estimates.

Speaker 40 So there's some cross-referencing here, and it seems pretty reliable.

Speaker 25 Amazingly, though, very few of our political leaders are talking about this.

Speaker 68 It's not a topic of mainstream conversation at all.

Speaker 77 I mean, making sure that Americans are getting married and and acquiring homes by the age of 30

Speaker 61 should be an urgent priority of every politician in the country.

Speaker 40 It's hard to think of many other things

Speaker 34 that could possibly be more important,

Speaker 79 but it's not getting anywhere near the attention that it should.

Speaker 68 To the extent that some action is being taken in Washington, it raises some unanswered questions.

Speaker 45 For example, this week, a very unusual alliance formed in Washington between Elizabeth Warren, who's the socialist from Massachusetts, and John Kennedy, the Republican from Louisiana.

Speaker 29 The two senators have introduced legislation called the Build Now Act, which would withhold taxpayer funds from states that don't build enough housing while sending taxpayer money to states that build more housing.

Speaker 34 Now, unlike most proposed legislation that you hear about, this particular bill actually has a good chance of passing because it was just unanimously approved by a Senate committee.

Speaker 32 And here is Kennedy's explanation of the plan. Listen.

Speaker 80 The most stunning statistic to me is the fact that the median age of a new homeowner, first-time

Speaker 80 homeowner in America today is 38.

Speaker 81 That's almost 40 before you can afford a home.

Speaker 80 It hasn't been that many years ago that the median age was 29.

Speaker 82 We've got a problem.

Speaker 80 We give $2.3 billion a year in HUD grants to local government.

Speaker 81 for things like housing, sewer, infrastructure, water.

Speaker 80 $2.3 billion dollars a year.

Speaker 80 Under Senator Warren and I's proposal,

Speaker 80 if you increase your housing stock over a five-year period,

Speaker 80 you will get extra money.

Speaker 80 Here's the other side of that coin. If you don't increase your housing stock

Speaker 80 over a five-year period,

Speaker 80 more specifically, if you fall below the median point compared to other states, then you're going to lose 10% of your money.

Speaker 37 Now, as a general rule, and I've talked about this many times, whenever Democrats and Republicans, in this case, a conservative like John Kennedy and a socialist like Elizabeth Warren, team up on legislation,

Speaker 36 it's usually a good idea to be skeptical of it.

Speaker 41 I mean, the only ideas that have bipartisan support in Washington, generally speaking, are bad ones.

Speaker 61 And as we all know, socialists are well known for making housing even less affordable by introducing high-minded plans to manipulate markets as New York City is about to discover the hard way.

Speaker 75 And that said, more housing is obviously a good idea.

Speaker 67 Increasing the supply of housing usually means that prices will go down.

Speaker 86 That's basic economics.

Speaker 11 And although it's reasonable to be concerned about the federal government throwing taxpayer money around,

Speaker 47 this is one of the rare times when, if it's done right,

Speaker 40 it makes sense.

Speaker 14 Certainly, the federal government helped many homeowners in the 1950s with the GI bill and so on.

Speaker 17 Now, at the same time, it's reasonable to ask whether this kind of legislation will simply provide incentives for the creation of, say, more dilapidated housing for the homeless to use as drug dens or more rental units for neighborhoods that are already flooded with them.

Speaker 68 This is a problem that's become increasingly apparent, as you may have noticed.

Speaker 73 Large institutions are buying up homes in suburbs and renting them instead of putting them up for sale.

Speaker 54 Watch.

Speaker 4 America's suburbs undergoing a transformation.

Speaker 88 We're priced out of the market right now and we're not the only ones.

Speaker 4 The dream of owning the house with the white picket fence increasingly giving way to white picket renters.

Speaker 4 In Lake Villa, Illinois, outside of Chicago, engineer Andrew Decker earns a six-figure salary and only wishes he and his fiancé could buy a home.

Speaker 88 Could buy a house tomorrow if the price was right, if the interest rates were where they needed to be.

Speaker 4 But mortgage rates are near 7% and home prices at record highs. Since the pandemic, the median single-family home price has soared almost $100,000, now topping $400,000.

Speaker 4 According to new analysis of census data, renting in the burbs is surging so much, 203 suburbs across the country are now majority home renter rather than homeowner.

Speaker 4 In 15 suburbs, the number of renter households more than doubled between 2018 and 2023.

Speaker 88 I don't see any end in sight. I really don't.
And I foresee it getting worse and worse over the next five years.

Speaker 30 So constructing new housing doesn't necessarily solve this particular problem if the houses are being purchased by institutions and then rented out as apartments.

Speaker 48 A lot depends on why the homes are being constructed, where they're located, who's buying them.

Speaker 89 Kennedy's bill does have a provision that provides incentives for new construction in high-demand areas, but again, you still might wind up with apartment complexes where actually you want single-family homes, which is not to disparage a particular bill or to declare that it can't possibly help matters, but it's safe to say that this legislation won't come close to solving the underlying problem, which again is that young people aren't getting married and they're not buying homes, oftentimes because they can't afford them.

Speaker 85 Those are problems with a lot of different causes, probably too many to list.

Speaker 14 Compared to the 1950s, we have, first of all, tens of millions more illegal aliens living inside our borders.

Speaker 61 We've devalued the dollar to an almost unprecedented degree.

Speaker 17 We've opened up our job market to the entire world, driving down employment, on and on.

Speaker 53 There are also many cultural factors that have, in many cases, deliberately by design made marriage and family life seem less appealing to younger generations.

Speaker 39 And we do have an older generation, the Boomers, who

Speaker 16 were a disaster.

Speaker 46 To the institution of marriage, the Boomers were an absolute disaster. Their divorce rates were sky high, so they just destroyed the institution.

Speaker 29 And they did basically nothing at all to defend the border, protect our sovereignty.

Speaker 86 Not only did they do nothing, but they intentionally imported all these third world migrants

Speaker 43 and not to lay it all at the feet of one generation,

Speaker 14 but those two factors alone make the Boomer generation, by and large, just a catastrophe, just

Speaker 2 absolute catastrophic generation.

Speaker 44 And there's just no getting around it.

Speaker 51 The numbers speak for themselves.

Speaker 72 There is one aspect of this new data that's worth homing in on because it does suggest one practical way forward.

Speaker 61 In the 1950s, roughly 90% of 30-year-olds were married and more than 50% were homeowners.

Speaker 45 By contrast, right now, only around 50% of 30-year-olds are married.

Speaker 17 Roughly 30% are homeowners.

Speaker 90 So both numbers dropped by huge margins.

Speaker 12 But the marriage decline has been drastically more significant than the drop in homeownership.

Speaker 68 More than any other time in this country's history, men and women are choosing not to get married.

Speaker 20 And there's reason to believe that this broader cultural trend is what's convincing a lot of young adults to forego home ownership as well.

Speaker 46 After all, if you're single, you know, the prospect of paying most of your savings to a bank in the form of a down payment for a house isn't exactly appealing.

Speaker 53 You don't need all that space for yourself and your dog.

Speaker 29 Before I was married, you know, I never even considered trying to buy a home.

Speaker 47 It wasn't, it wasn't on the horizon.

Speaker 64 Then as soon as I got married, I felt a sudden and very strong pull, as many people do, to buy a home, have a piece of land that we could call our own.

Speaker 53 Within about three three years of getting married, we bought our first home.

Speaker 73 But for single people, the financial sacrifice seems irrational and unnecessary.

Speaker 15 So if they have any extra money to throw around, they're more likely to put it into Bitcoin or

Speaker 28 whatever else.

Speaker 40 On the other hand, if you're intent on starting a family, then the cost of a mortgage makes a lot more sense.

Speaker 72 People can make it work in many cases.

Speaker 12 I've said before that home ownership is attainable for

Speaker 52 many more people than they think.

Speaker 43 And

Speaker 17 it's more doable than I think a lot of people think.

Speaker 12 If you have a full-time job and and decent credit, it's often a matter of priorities.

Speaker 53 And as we look at the plummeting numbers of homeowners who are young and married, it's a fact that just needs to be restated.

Speaker 14 In this case, as in many other cases,

Speaker 31 decline

Speaker 43 is a choice.

Speaker 46 It is a result of choices that have been made many times by our leaders.

Speaker 34 It's a result of policies that have been put in place.

Speaker 63 And make no mistake, this is decline.

Speaker 47 Millions of young adults who aren't even that young at 30

Speaker 38 have now no skin in the game.

Speaker 27 I mean, no real stake in the country or its future.

Speaker 6 You don't have any, you don't own anything.

Speaker 64 You don't own anything.

Speaker 68 You don't have kids. You don't have a family.
You're not married.

Speaker 71 When you're in that position, you don't have a stake in the country in the same way that people do when you own something, you have property, and you have kids, you have a family.

Speaker 27 Getting married, starting a family, owning property are the basic fundamental pillars of the American dream.

Speaker 45 They're the starting point, in most cases, for a fulfilling and productive life and for a well-ordered society.

Speaker 29 As this new data reveals, most young people were able to achieve those milestones in the 1950s, but they're not achieving them anymore.

Speaker 35 And those numbers are only getting worse by the year.

Speaker 29 Things are trending in the wrong direction and quickly.

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Speaker 79 Okay, the woman who was brutally attacked in Cincinnati spoke out publicly yesterday for the first time.

Speaker 68 She spoke at a press conference.

Speaker 66 First we've seen her publicly talking about this incident.

Speaker 40 So let's watch some of that.

Speaker 96 First and foremost, I just want to say that I don't want to relive what happened to me, you know, eight or nine days ago.

Speaker 96 I'm here to talk about the future and how we can change it, how we can prevent this from happening to anybody else.

Speaker 96 These heinous crimes have to stop. You know, I never want this to happen to anyone else, especially a mother, a daughter, somebody who is loved.

Speaker 96 So I just know what it's done to my family, not just to me.

Speaker 96 And I think that moving forward, we do need more accountability. And I definitely think that,

Speaker 96 you know,

Speaker 96 we need more police officers. But

Speaker 96 like he said, you know, the judges who are just letting people out with a slap, the man who attacked me and might have permanently damaged me forever

Speaker 96 should never have been on the streets, ever.

Speaker 96 And the fact that he had just gotten out of jail previously for something he should have been in there for years.

Speaker 96 It's really sad to me because I can't even fathom how many other people who have been attacked by the same type of man over and over and over.

Speaker 96 In Toledo, in Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton, our streets are being taken over and nobody is doing anything. I am

Speaker 4 so sad.

Speaker 96 And I need to be the voice to help all of the victims that never got their justice.

Speaker 13 You can see there the severe facial injuries that she has.

Speaker 21 And she said at another point in the press conference that she's in excruciating pain all the time,

Speaker 14 which she certainly looks at.

Speaker 79 She has brain injuries.

Speaker 34 Her doctors are surprised that she's even alive.

Speaker 27 She easily could have died, which is very clear.

Speaker 98 Now, there are two notes on this.

Speaker 54 One, first of all, she's right.

Speaker 29 This incident could have easily been avoided.

Speaker 61 And that's not just by having more police officers around, although that would help,

Speaker 40 but by the criminal justice system actually punishing criminals.

Speaker 61 I mean, it's no surprise that the people who attacked her had criminal records.

Speaker 89 They could have and should have already been taken off the street, and they weren't.

Speaker 70 And people are fed up with it.

Speaker 64 They're completely fed up with it.

Speaker 38 Because now the average American is looking at this and asking, why are we choosing leniency and compassion for violent criminals at the expense of law-abiding citizens?

Speaker 30 I think people are asking,

Speaker 46 why do we have to suffer for the sake of the scum of the earth?

Speaker 24 Which is a very good question.

Speaker 24 That's the question we should be asking.

Speaker 11 As I always say, compassion for criminals is cruelty to the innocent.

Speaker 64 Why are we choosing cruelty to the innocent?

Speaker 97 Why?

Speaker 41 We should demand answers to that.

Speaker 63 And second, on a more positive note,

Speaker 66 I think it is very significant that this case has gotten all this attention.

Speaker 64 You know, corporate media is obviously not really paying attention.

Speaker 46 They're paying attention begrudgingly because we forced them to.

Speaker 100 But it is still getting a lot of attention, and that's a positive sign because up until very recently, it would have been pretty inconceivable that a white victim of a violent crime

Speaker 40 committed by a non-white person would end up giving a press conference that is widely covered.

Speaker 46 I mean, up until recently, this case would have gotten no attention at all, right?

Speaker 70 We'd never hear about it,

Speaker 56 and that would be it.

Speaker 2 We just wouldn't hear about Austin Metcalf is another one.

Speaker 43 And there have been a lot of Austin Metcalfs, right, over the years, a lot of victims like him.

Speaker 101 We don't know any of their names,

Speaker 45 but we do know Austin's name and we know Holly's name.

Speaker 91 And that's because things are changing.

Speaker 38 And that change is fueled again by the fact that people are fed up

Speaker 44 as they should be.

Speaker 48 And I think people are starting to ask the right questions.

Speaker 41 Questions that, for the people in charge who've created this situation, are basically unanswerable.

Speaker 79 Questions like, again,

Speaker 70 you have a violent criminal,

Speaker 51 and you have to choose between prioritizing

Speaker 81 his

Speaker 46 compassion for him or prioritizing the safety of the community.

Speaker 52 It's one or the other.

Speaker 79 And yet you choose not to prioritize the safety of the community.

Speaker 67 Why is that?

Speaker 30 Why would you do that?

Speaker 61 These are unanswerable questions for them, but we should keep asking them.

Speaker 36 All right, here's a story from a few days ago.

Speaker 72 And

Speaker 86 I'm not even going to read it, but

Speaker 72 it's another story about, I'm not going to read an article about it, but it's another story about a girl who I guess was famous or moderately famous on social media as a child

Speaker 36 who just turned 18 and then started an OnlyFans

Speaker 53 and immediately made like a million dollars or something in five hours or whatever it was.

Speaker 15 The first 24 hours, she made a million dollars.

Speaker 47 And I'm not going to read the story or say the person's name because I don't want to advertise her porn business for her, although you could easily find out the name, or maybe you already know it.

Speaker 93 But

Speaker 29 in my own way, I'd like to not participate in it.

Speaker 10 I did want to mention the story because it's yet more proof for my point,

Speaker 76 which is that OnlyFans

Speaker 79 should not be allowed to exist.

Speaker 27 I mean, here's another important question we should be asking:

Speaker 82 why do we let this exist?

Speaker 84 Why do we allow this to exist?

Speaker 71 We don't have to.

Speaker 53 Now, what's actually happening here is that this girl, immediately upon turning 18, excitedly went out and became a prostitute.

Speaker 43 And not because she was desperate and poor and, you know, being sex trafficked or whatever, it's just because she wanted to.

Speaker 10 And this is what makes OnlyFans so distinct.

Speaker 17 This is why you can't compare it to

Speaker 64 anytime I talk about this,

Speaker 46 and now you've got all these women on OnlyFans, I always have people that are trying to downplay the significance of it, downplay the problem by saying, Well, prostitutions always existed.

Speaker 25 Do you know how many women were prostitutes in Victorian England?

Speaker 33 Well, this is very different.

Speaker 50 Okay, this is a new era of whorishness in our culture because now we have a whole generation of prostitutes who cannot be in any way considered victims.

Speaker 25 Now, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, really any time

Speaker 70 until right now,

Speaker 50 if a woman was a prostitute, that usually meant that she was poor, she was drug addicted, she was being exploited,

Speaker 42 which doesn't mean that she bears no blame at all, no moral guilt at all, but it usually meant like this is someone in a desperate situation.

Speaker 34 Usually there was a pimp, you know, who would backhand her across the face if she didn't come back with enough money.

Speaker 13 I mean, that's the way that these things, quote unquote, traditionally were done.

Speaker 53 But these days, these women are their own pimps.

Speaker 84 Right?

Speaker 84 There's no one whoring them out.

Speaker 64 They're doing themselves.

Speaker 69 Now, I mean, OnlyFans as an organization, as a company, is,

Speaker 51 but OnlyFans isn't like coming into their home, forcing them into it.

Speaker 17 OnlyFans is the platform,

Speaker 47 providing them a platform to be their own pimps.

Speaker 99 It's like a franchise, a franchise opportunity.

Speaker 10 So now you have women, girls who just turned 18, women in their 20s, soccer moms in their 30s and 40s,

Speaker 17 women of all types, women who are not poor, are not desperate, are not necessarily drug-addled or anything,

Speaker 99 who choose to whore themselves out.

Speaker 34 They exploit themselves for no reason other than making some extra spending money

Speaker 11 and getting attention from strangers on the internet.

Speaker 76 It's very bleak.

Speaker 97 You know?

Speaker 98 I mean, the fact that women were given the opportunity to become prostitutes in the comfort of their own home and so many millions of them eagerly took advantage of it,

Speaker 52 that's bleak.

Speaker 14 That's the kind of thing that really gives ammo to the red pill guys.

Speaker 45 It gives them a lot of ammo.

Speaker 53 When you look at that and say, okay, well, this opportunity was given to women and said, hey, you can be a prostitute.

Speaker 20 And millions jumped at it.

Speaker 64 I mean, that's,

Speaker 53 you look at the numbers, there are like three and a half, four million women selling their bodies in OnlyFans.

Speaker 40 If you break it down, you find that it equates to like 2%

Speaker 53 of all women in America between the ages of 18 and 45.

Speaker 95 2%.

Speaker 18 Now, maybe you'd want to say, well, 2% is not that bad.

Speaker 64 It's not a really high number.

Speaker 69 No, that's bad.

Speaker 95 2%

Speaker 64 of all women in that age bracket,

Speaker 93 that's

Speaker 75 hard. That's a nightmare.

Speaker 84 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 15 2% of all women in the country in that age bracket?

Speaker 73 That is staggering.

Speaker 9 Especially, again, when you consider that these are elective prostitutes.

Speaker 19 These are all women who by no means have been forced into it.

Speaker 17 They could all get real jobs.

Speaker 76 Or in a lot of cases, they don't even need a job.

Speaker 70 Like, we're not talking about 2% of women who are sex trafficked, which would be a different kind of horror.

Speaker 9 We're talking about 2% of women who are sex trafficking themselves for fun.

Speaker 11 And that goes back to my question, which is, why do we allow this?

Speaker 81 Why is it legal?

Speaker 30 There are so many things that we allow in this country, and because we sit back and say, well, there's nothing we can do about it.

Speaker 81 Well, we wouldn't want to pass a law, but we wouldn't want to do that.

Speaker 17 We wouldn't want to stop someone from doing something they want to do. That's the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 73 So many people, including many conservatives, have been brainwashed by this garbage, by this libertarian nonsense

Speaker 99 that as long as someone wants to do something, we can't stop them.

Speaker 10 The greatest sin in the world is to stop someone from doing a thing they want to do.

Speaker 46 This is the mindset that so many people have.

Speaker 53 And

Speaker 27 really, the ultimate red pill is to get past that.

Speaker 64 I don't want to hear anyone's red pilled until you realize that, you know, we can act, it's like laws are good.

Speaker 26 Doesn't mean every, there's a lot of bad laws, but in general, laws are, it's a good, it's a good thing to have laws.

Speaker 43 And just because somebody wants to do something, that's actually not a good enough reason why they should be allowed to do it.

Speaker 76 There are a lot of things that people want to do that they shouldn't be allowed to do.

Speaker 93 Why?

Speaker 99 Because

Speaker 18 we're civilized people. We want to be in a civilized society,

Speaker 103 which means that your justification for doing something has to be more than, I wanted to do it.

Speaker 104 And when your behavior is objectively, deeply detrimental to

Speaker 52 the country as a whole,

Speaker 51 to the well-being of the country, then you just shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Speaker 83 And there's really no argument in response other than, but I want to.

Speaker 71 What's the other argument? Oh, I have a right. I have a right.

Speaker 47 Here's the other red pill, realizing that like 90% of the rights people are constantly claiming don't exist.

Speaker 67 It doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 52 I have a right to be a prostitute.

Speaker 64 What do you mean?

Speaker 64 What do you mean you have that right?

Speaker 75 Like from where? Where are you deriving that? What does it mean, right?

Speaker 2 What are you talking about?

Speaker 95 So you're like born with this like mystical entitlement to go to be a whore?

Speaker 64 Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 64 Where does that come from?

Speaker 100 If I go looking for that, you have a right to be a prostitute.

Speaker 64 Okay, well, where is that right?

Speaker 12 Where can I find it?

Speaker 69 Oh, it's invisible.

Speaker 18 It's like this invisible thing that you, it's like your imaginary friend.

Speaker 69 It's not real, it doesn't exist.

Speaker 64 Okay.

Speaker 30 The only right that means anything are like the God-given, and this is a this is a obviously a doctrine that our country is founded on: God-given, God-given rights

Speaker 52 that are specifically imbued by the Creator God.

Speaker 17 Okay, and did God, did the Creator God imbue us, uh, imbue women to go with the right to go be prostitutes?

Speaker 57 No.

Speaker 82 So this is clearly prostitution.

Speaker 14 The fact that it's being done through a screen is irrelevant.

Speaker 15 You know, whatever it is that women are doing on OnlyFans, now imagine that they were doing that, putting on that show in person in a motel room for some guy.

Speaker 26 In that case, nobody would have any trouble accurately assessing it as prostitution.

Speaker 40 So then you put a screen in between them and suddenly it's not prostitution.

Speaker 98 What if she was in the room with him, but she was doing this on video and he was only watching the video?

Speaker 29 Is it now not prostitution?

Speaker 101 So just like the presence of a video camera all of a sudden means not prostitution.

Speaker 44 That makes no sense.

Speaker 37 It's actually not hard to define.

Speaker 17 People act like it's hard. How do you define pornography?

Speaker 39 How do you define prostitution?

Speaker 81 Not that hard.

Speaker 56 Not hard to define.

Speaker 68 Prostitution is performing a sex act for money.

Speaker 2 That's prostitution.

Speaker 76 Okay?

Speaker 59 It's not, well, anything you do for money is prostitution.

Speaker 12 No, performing a sex act for money is prostitution.

Speaker 73 So in any form, it doesn't matter if you're in your own home, you're in someone else's home, you're in a motel six, you're on a street corner, you're in a back alley.

Speaker 81 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where you are,

Speaker 46 you're performing a sex act for money.

Speaker 83 Women and OnlyFans are performing sex acts for money.

Speaker 2 So they are prostitutes.

Speaker 68 Prostitution is already illegal in 49 of 50 states.

Speaker 93 So why in the world would we not apply that to OnlyFans?

Speaker 75 Why do we have this weird carve out where we say prostitution is illegal, you can't do it

Speaker 54 unless it's a subscription model, then it's okay.

Speaker 15 None of that makes any sense to me.

Speaker 12 None of it makes any sense.

Speaker 40 A few days ago, we talked about the interview that washed up former CNN anchor Jim Acosta did with a dead child.

Speaker 35 This is an interview in quotes, of course.

Speaker 12 This is a kid who died in a school shooting, but was quote unquote brought back to life by AI.

Speaker 61 And

Speaker 32 Jim Acosta interviewed the AI.

Speaker 79 And speaking of bleak, I mean, it's one of the bleakest things you'll ever see and creepiest.

Speaker 38 And now the father of the kid is speaking out, and he's defending their decision to reanimate

Speaker 14 the son with AI and saying that if you disagree with that decision, then you're the problem.

Speaker 105 Listen.

Speaker 105 Hello, everyone.

Speaker 105 This is Manuel Oliva. I am Joaquin Oliver's father.
Today, he should be turning 25 years old. And my wife, Patricia, and myself,

Speaker 105 we asked our friend Jim Acosta to

Speaker 105 make an interview, have an interview with our son, because now,

Speaker 105 thanks to AI, we can bring him back. It was our idea, it was our plan, and it's still our plan.

Speaker 105 We

Speaker 105 feel that Joaquin has a lot of things to say, and as long as we have an option that allows us to bring that to you and to everyone, we will use it. So

Speaker 105 stop

Speaker 106 blaming people

Speaker 105 about where this is coming from or blaming Deem about what he was able to do.

Speaker 105 If the problem that you have is with the AI,

Speaker 105 then you have the wrong problem. The real problem is that my son was shot eight years ago.
So if you believe that that is not the problem, you are part of the problem.

Speaker 84 Now, listen, I'm not going to go too hard on this father or their family.

Speaker 70 I don't like how they're pushing gun confiscation laws.

Speaker 30 I hate this AI thing.

Speaker 61 I think it's a horror show, but I'm not going to attack attack parents who lost a child.

Speaker 30 If that happened to me, who knows what I would do?

Speaker 86 I mean, I think I'm strong enough to withstand a lot of stuff, but that would, that would break me.

Speaker 48 That would just destroy me.

Speaker 14 I would never be the same again.

Speaker 17 So there's no telling what I would do.

Speaker 69 I mean, I can't pass judgment.

Speaker 47 I can't look at that and say, I would never do that if I, because I have no clue what I would do.

Speaker 40 I'd be a different person.

Speaker 76 I'm a totally different person at the other side of that experience.

Speaker 77 And

Speaker 61 so I just can't, I really can't judge.

Speaker 14 I can't pass judgment on on

Speaker 14 parents who lose their children,

Speaker 64 you know,

Speaker 15 unless they do, unless their behavior is so gratuitous and over the line that it's the kind of thing that you have no choice but to speak out against.

Speaker 48 But generally speaking, with something like this,

Speaker 61 it's hard to pass judgment.

Speaker 37 So all that said, what I really want to say is that I understand the temptation to use this technology to try to reconnect with a lost loved one.

Speaker 43 We talked about this a few days ago, how the dad said that his wife, the child's mother, spends hours a day talking to this AI.

Speaker 45 And that is very sad.

Speaker 79 I mean, that's like one of the saddest things I've ever heard.

Speaker 40 And again, I'm not going to judge the mom.

Speaker 62 I might do the same thing in her shoes.

Speaker 61 I might be so totally desperate and broken that I would do that.

Speaker 14 I don't know.

Speaker 13 And that's why I'm just very worried about this technology.

Speaker 61 I've expressed my worries about AI many times.

Speaker 14 And here's another level of worry, another dystopian, sort of awful application of it.

Speaker 90 And it makes me ask again: here's another area: where are we going to even attempt to do anything to prevent the nightmare that we're currently waltzing into?

Speaker 64 Like anything?

Speaker 30 And I know you might tell me, well,

Speaker 67 we can't stop all of it, and this is an AI is an unstoppable force.

Speaker 10 And in many ways, that's true, but does that mean we're not going to do anything?

Speaker 56 No guardrails, nothing, nothing at all.

Speaker 30 You're telling me

Speaker 30 we can do 0%.

Speaker 81 I don't buy that.

Speaker 25 At the very least, we can try.

Speaker 17 So are we going to pass any laws at all to govern this technology and the companies that produce it?

Speaker 30 Or are we just going to sit here slackjawed, watching in horror as they do whatever they want and they do these things that we all recognize are terrible?

Speaker 93 Like

Speaker 73 you look at this,

Speaker 58 a grieving mother spending hours a day trying to to reconnect with her dead child through an AI.

Speaker 12 You look at that and you go, that is one of the worst things I've ever heard of.

Speaker 2 I can easily see

Speaker 27 the slippery slope that this leads to.

Speaker 69 It'll be really bad for everybody.

Speaker 61 Now that you'll have AI hucksters out there promising that they can reanimate

Speaker 2 your dead child, your dead parent, your dead loved one, I mean, we could all see that this is horrific.

Speaker 43 I mean, it is absolutely horrific.

Speaker 13 And yet there are very few people saying, hey, maybe we should think about some laws.

Speaker 30 Like, maybe

Speaker 36 there's a few things we can do here rather than sitting here impotent,

Speaker 14 just assuming at the outset that there's nothing we can do to prevent or mitigate the dystopian nightmare scenario that we are, again, are just like

Speaker 81 strolling into.

Speaker 17 So I'd like to think about that.

Speaker 26 Finally, staying on AI, you know, there have been some stories recently about a worrying but totally predictable trend, a rise in people using AI, specifically ChatGPT, as a therapist.

Speaker 31 And now

Speaker 22 changes are being made supposedly to curb this kind of usage.

Speaker 22 USA Today reports, In a case of it's not you, it's me, the creators of ChatGPT no longer want the chatbot to play the role of therapist or trusted confidant.

Speaker 71 Sure, they don't.

Speaker 39 OpenAI, the company behind the popular bot, announced that it had incorporated some changes, particularly mental health-focused guardrails designed to prevent users from becoming too reliant on the technology with a focus on people who view ChatGPT as a therapist or a friend.

Speaker 12 The changes come months after reports detailed negative, particularly worrisome user experiences raised concerns about the model's tendency to validate doubts, fuel anger, urge impulsive actions, or reinforce negative emotions and thoughts.

Speaker 61 Meanwhile, Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, has recently warned people that if they use ChatGPT as a therapist and they reveal private personal information, that none of that stuff is confidential or protected.

Speaker 30 It is when you say it to your therapist.

Speaker 20 It is when you say it to your doctor or your lawyer, but the ChatGPT is none of those things.

Speaker 46 It's not a person, so none of that stuff is protected, which means that it could be revealed.

Speaker 51 If there was a lawsuit or a subpoena or something,

Speaker 17 all that stuff is out there.

Speaker 30 It could be revealed at any time, which should be obvious, but apparently this was a revelation to a lot of people.

Speaker 82 But the funny thing is to me, aside aside from the privacy problems, is, you know, rather than spending another 10 minutes lamenting AI, I will say that I don't think using ChatGPT as a therapist is any worse in most cases than going to an actual therapist.

Speaker 26 I mean, I'm not recommending it.

Speaker 46 I don't think you should use ChatGPT as a therapist.

Speaker 64 I'm just saying that human therapists oftentimes are not any better and can be worse.

Speaker 78 It's funny because what the article said about, well, they'll validate.

Speaker 15 All they do is validate and affirm.

Speaker 64 Well, yeah, that's welcome to therapy.

Speaker 95 I mean, that's 95% of all therapists.

Speaker 11 Affirmative therapy has been

Speaker 64 the way now for a long time.

Speaker 75 So when you

Speaker 64 have something you're struggling with, really what you should do in most cases, not all, not all, but most, what you should do is forget about therapy altogether.

Speaker 45 I mean, the urge to sit down and tell your life story and run through your list of grievances and whine and complain and sulk and wallow in your misery.

Speaker 65 That urge is an urge that should be rejected.

Speaker 65 It should be suppressed.

Speaker 43 You know, you don't need therapy.

Speaker 26 You need to go for a run.

Speaker 17 You need to lift weights.

Speaker 86 You need to go outside and get some fresh air.

Speaker 17 You need to start a project.

Speaker 40 Do something with your time.

Speaker 40 Right?

Speaker 15 I found that to be effective.

Speaker 95 I find all these things to be effective.

Speaker 15 But I find that I'm always in a much better place mentally.

Speaker 16 My headspace, I hate that phrase,

Speaker 26 is better when

Speaker 86 I've got like a project that I'm working on, you know, because

Speaker 46 it's something to focus on.

Speaker 40 So it's like something to focus on.

Speaker 37 It gives you clear, like, this is the thing that I'm doing.

Speaker 62 It gives you something to look forward to, to the completion.

Speaker 17 So that can be helpful.

Speaker 99 All these things, all this stuff is helpful.

Speaker 12 But most of all, what all these things have in common, you're working on a project,

Speaker 66 you're lifting weights, you're going for a run.

Speaker 84 Whatever it is, all these things are therapy and much better than talk therapy most of the time.

Speaker 64 What do they have in common?

Speaker 50 Is that you stop thinking about yourself when you do them?

Speaker 98 Going for a run can be cathartic because especially as you get into it and you're running,

Speaker 40 and it's hard and you're out of breath and all of that,

Speaker 12 you're not focused on yourself anymore.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 12 When you say when you're lifting weights, when you're, when you're doing, when you're working on some project, we're doing something creative, you're not, you're not just obsessing about yourself.

Speaker 14 You're not like staring back at yourself in your internal mirror, just gazing at your own reflection.

Speaker 12 And 95% of the time, that is the solution.

Speaker 95 Right?

Speaker 34 I mean, there is no solution to everything you're going to struggle with mentally, but the best way to quote unquote treat it most of the time is just to not, is to stop thinking about it, stop obsessing over it.

Speaker 66 And the problem is that talk therapy

Speaker 73 requires the opposite.

Speaker 95 All you're doing is sitting there talking about yourself the whole time.

Speaker 73 It's why you're there.

Speaker 17 And it's this narcissistic urge, I think, that drives people to therapy most of the time, the desire to talk about themselves and vent every petty frustration and anxiety they have in their heads.

Speaker 45 It's not healthy to actually do that.

Speaker 42 The more you do it, the more you want to keep doing it.

Speaker 20 It's kind of like a drug.

Speaker 12 It's a crack, which is why you've got these people that go to therapy for decades and never never stop going and never get better.

Speaker 95 But the reason they keep going back is that they're actually addicted to it.

Speaker 17 You know, you have the psychological industry that pathologizes everything, pathological, patholog, whatever the word is, tripping over it.

Speaker 46 They make everything into a pathology and they talk about everything as an addiction.

Speaker 64 You don't hear them talk about therapy addiction,

Speaker 64 which is his own pathology.

Speaker 70 Now, does that mean that therapy is never effective?

Speaker 63 I'm not saying that.

Speaker 69 It could help you, maybe in some limited circumstances.

Speaker 46 But the problem with therapy, as I've argued many times, is that the effectiveness of the therapy depends entirely on whether the therapist

Speaker 36 possesses deep personal wisdom and insight.

Speaker 37 Because a therapist is not a doctor treating a medical disorder.

Speaker 61 A therapist is there to deal with problems of the mind and the spirit, problems of the soul.

Speaker 60 The therapist is basically a soul doctor.

Speaker 17 We don't call him that, but that's what it is,

Speaker 75 which can be fine in theory, but only those with great wisdom can do that.

Speaker 15 And by the way, somebody with great wisdom, the first thing they're going to do is they're going to tell 90% of people that come in their office that you shouldn't be here, go lift weights,

Speaker 81 right?

Speaker 28 90 to 95% of people that come in, if they have wisdom, they're going to tell them to leave.

Speaker 42 Because

Speaker 46 you actually don't need this.

Speaker 12 This will hurt you. Sitting around talking about your problems and whining, like you will hurt you.

Speaker 64 You'll be better off.

Speaker 17 Go paint a picture, go do, just do anything, right?

Speaker 75 Get a hobby.

Speaker 95 And for the 5% to 10% who are left,

Speaker 11 if you're going to therapy to actually receive therapy, to get something in return, to get some insight into your problems, that again, you need someone with deep wisdom.

Speaker 52 If all you want is a sounding board,

Speaker 98 someone to just sit there

Speaker 87 and not move as you pummel them with your problems, well, then why not?

Speaker 46 You might as well just use ChatGPT.

Speaker 66 But if you want to receive therapy, if you want actual insights, then you need somebody with deep wisdom.

Speaker 70 And many therapists do not have that.

Speaker 28 You know, they just don't.

Speaker 67 A degree is no guarantee of wisdom.

Speaker 17 And, you know, of course, for millennia, people consulted when they had these kinds of,

Speaker 17 you didn't have for thousands of years in human history, there was no such thing as a therapist.

Speaker 10 Didn't exist. That didn't exist.

Speaker 39 That hasn't existed for the last 100, 200 years.

Speaker 15 You know, this is a relatively modern phenomenon.

Speaker 77 And

Speaker 52 what did people do before that?

Speaker 32 Well, they would consult the elders in their families or their villages for wisdom.

Speaker 70 They talked to their parents, their grandparents, their great-grandparents.

Speaker 33 Well, now you've got like a 45-year-old adult turning to some random 29-year-old woman with a degree in social work.

Speaker 99 who has far less life experience and wisdom than most of the people she's advising.

Speaker 83 So it's totally absurd.

Speaker 18 And not only that, but to make matters worse, a lot of therapists get into that line of work because they themselves have psychological problems.

Speaker 87 The thing that drove them into the field is their obsession with their own problems.

Speaker 11 Which is why, for a lot of therapists, if you get to know them in their personal life, these are like dysfunctional people.

Speaker 90 I'm not saying, oh, again, I'm speaking in general terms.

Speaker 73 This is common, though.

Speaker 12 This is a common phenomenon that you get to know someone who's a therapist and they're totally dysfunctional in their personal life.

Speaker 63 Their personal life is a mess.

Speaker 100 And they get all kinds, and you know them personally.

Speaker 10 Like this person is

Speaker 33 worse than,

Speaker 97 I mean,

Speaker 33 if anyone needs therapy, it's this person.

Speaker 64 So how could they possibly be giving it?

Speaker 75 So

Speaker 75 that's the problem.

Speaker 95 And when I've talked about this, I've been told that, well, hey,

Speaker 30 what else are you supposed to do if you have childhood trauma?

Speaker 14 If you you were the,

Speaker 43 someone said to me the other day, they said, well, haven't you ever been,

Speaker 62 you know, you're speaking like someone who's never been the victim of something. Well, if you've been the victim of something, then this is what you need therapy.

Speaker 58 Okay, well, no, you know, you're speaking like someone who spent way too much time in therapy.

Speaker 2 That's what you're speaking like.

Speaker 62 Because otherwise, you would know that everyone's been the victim of something.

Speaker 51 Not all, not not to the same degree.

Speaker 45 I mean, some things are worse than other things,

Speaker 64 but everyone's been the victim of many things.

Speaker 45 Everyone has been the victim in situations like thousands of times in their lives.

Speaker 73 Everyone has, literally, everybody.

Speaker 47 And most of the time, sitting around and thinking about that is not going to help you.

Speaker 16 Your childhood.

Speaker 71 This is your childhood,

Speaker 75 it was what it was.

Speaker 64 It's over.

Speaker 12 It's over now. You're an adult now.

Speaker 72 Like sitting around and

Speaker 15 still thinking about,

Speaker 98 oh, my dad,

Speaker 50 I did soccer for five years.

Speaker 82 My dad only came to one soccer match.

Speaker 97 Yeah, well,

Speaker 25 what ages?

Speaker 81 How old were you? 10?

Speaker 29 What are you now? 45?

Speaker 2 What are you still thinking about that for?

Speaker 68 Okay, he should have been to more soccer matches.

Speaker 98 He should have done a better job.

Speaker 75 Right? He should have,

Speaker 75 but he didn't. But he didn't.

Speaker 17 So that happened.

Speaker 52 It's over.

Speaker 26 You can't redo it.

Speaker 12 You want to join a soccer league now and like force your dad to come watch watch your old fat ass play soccer?

Speaker 99 Is that the way you're going to rectify this? Probably not.

Speaker 52 So it's over. It already happened.

Speaker 12 This is what the therapist should most of the time be saying.

Speaker 18 Like, what do you want me to do about that?

Speaker 17 Oh, that happened. Oh, that happened 35 years ago when you were seven.

Speaker 18 What do you want me to do about it?

Speaker 26 It's over.

Speaker 71 It already happened.

Speaker 18 So are you going to move on with your life or not?

Speaker 95 The answer to the bad things that happened to you when you were younger,

Speaker 36 the answer is nothing.

Speaker 12 Like, the solution to those things is nothing at all.

Speaker 17 There is no solution.

Speaker 95 You cannot, that already happened.

Speaker 17 You can't solve it.

Speaker 64 So, it's already happened.

Speaker 52 It's all baked in now.

Speaker 43 And that just is what it is.

Speaker 17 So, move on with your life.

Speaker 64 Or don't.

Speaker 63 Or spend your whole life like revolving around,

Speaker 93 just like

Speaker 52 spiraling around these this this list of grievances many of them may be legitimate but you can spend your whole life in a spiral orbiting right now now you're like a moon you're not even the the planet and you're all you're a moon orbiting around this this giant cluster of complaints and grievances and past harms and hurts and that's all you ever do

Speaker 17 You could live that way or you could move on.

Speaker 84 I suggest moving on.

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Speaker 39 There has been a discourse raging on X over the past couple of days, not important or intelligent or worth your time or mine.

Speaker 15 And that's exactly the kind of content this segment was made for. So here we are.

Speaker 68 A few days ago, the right-wing commentator Sarah Stock, who we've mentioned mentioned before on this show, apparently got engaged.

Speaker 85 She posted a picture of her hand bearing the new engagement ring with a caption that says, I won.

Speaker 29 Pretty standard thing for a woman to post after getting engaged.

Speaker 12 Nothing provocative or particularly notable about it.

Speaker 64 I won is like a slightly aggressive caption, but who cares?

Speaker 70 Not anything, no big deal.

Speaker 15 If one feels inclined to respond at all, you'd think that something along the lines of congratulations would be the only response worth making.

Speaker 63 But that is not how certain other female right-wing influencers, quote-unquote, decided to respond.

Speaker 12 Instead, a number of them chimed in by mocking the size of the ring and laughing at it because it is, by their standards, too small.

Speaker 40 There were a couple of male influencers, homosexual alleged conservatives for the most part,

Speaker 12 also joined in the mockery.

Speaker 58 And I'm not going to say any of their names or put their comments up on the screen.

Speaker 72 You've probably never heard of them, so their names won't mean anything to you.

Speaker 47 And also, I don't want to reward this kind of engagement bait pun sort of intended by giving them free publicity on my platform.

Speaker 14 Suffice it to say, these are some of the most shallow and useless conservative influencers in a market crowded with a whole lot of shallow, useless ones.

Speaker 29 This sniping about the size of the ring devolved quickly into a female right-wing influencer catfight.

Speaker 30 And very soon, a whole bunch of them were taking shots at each other, spreading embarrassing gossip.

Speaker 52 Again, I'm not going to repeat any of it.

Speaker 43 I don't know what's true and what isn't.

Speaker 30 Basically, they're all accusing each other of being low-class sluts.

Speaker 2 And I have no idea who's right, but when it comes to that, I suspect they all are.

Speaker 39 All in all, it has been a humiliating week for the right-wing e-girl community, which is a change of pace from all the weeks up until now, which have also been humiliating.

Speaker 84 As embarrassing and ridiculous as all this is, I do think there are two mostly unrelated points worth making, or maybe they aren't worth making.

Speaker 53 I don't know, but we will anyway.

Speaker 82 And first of all,

Speaker 27 you know, This is kind of like a, I suppose, a pet peeve of mine.

Speaker 63 But this thing about ring size, let's make this clear.

Speaker 12 Unless you're rich, you should not be spending tens of thousands of dollars on an engagement ring.

Speaker 69 Putting yourself into five-figure debt for the sake of buying jewelry is not a flex.

Speaker 17 It's not something to brag about.

Speaker 20 It makes you a moron.

Speaker 72 Now, you've probably heard the rule, quote unquote, that a man is supposed to spend three months' salary on an engagement ring.

Speaker 69 Well, that rule was invented by, you guessed it, a jewelry company.

Speaker 42 And you can see why they like the rule.

Speaker 12 In fact, every company has a rule where you, as the customer, are supposed to spend a lot of money on whatever they're selling.

Speaker 95 If you walk into a car dealership, you'll discover that there's kind of a rule where you're supposed to buy the most expensive type of car with all the features and upgrades.

Speaker 31 They're very insistent on it.

Speaker 76 Isn't that funny? Isn't that weird?

Speaker 64 It's a funny thing about people who sell stuff.

Speaker 17 They want you to buy the stuff.

Speaker 29 They want you to spend as much money as they're able to convince you to spend.

Speaker 71 That's their rule.

Speaker 64 But your rule as a rational adult should be different.

Speaker 29 Your rule should be that you buy only what you can afford.

Speaker 35 Your rule should be that you aren't going to begin your life as a married couple by plunging yourself into staggering debt for the sake of buying a slightly bigger diamond.

Speaker 34 Spending three months' salary on jewelry is insane behavior.

Speaker 12 I mean, spending three months' salary on anything other than a down payment on a house is insane behavior.

Speaker 71 If you want an actual rule to govern your ring shopping or at least some kind of guide for it,

Speaker 17 it's all totally arbitrary, but I'll make a something that at least is more reasonable if it is still arbitrary.

Speaker 64 How about this?

Speaker 101 Spend no more than a week's salary.

Speaker 81 No more than a week.

Speaker 22 And now, if you're rich, that's enough to buy a sizable ring.

Speaker 76 If you're not rich, it's enough to buy something extremely modest.

Speaker 101 And if you're not rich, you shouldn't be pretending that you are rich when you're at the jewelry store.

Speaker 99 In fact, of all the places to pretend to be rich, that's the worst place.

Speaker 23 Now, here's another arbitrary, but I think reasonable guideline: don't spend five figures on a piece of jewelry unless you have, say,

Speaker 18 half a million liquid in the bank.

Speaker 97 You know,

Speaker 30 even if you have a hundred thousand in the bank, a $10,000 ring, which is the lowest level of five figures, obviously, is 10% of your liquid assets.

Speaker 64 That's foolish to spend that much.

Speaker 12 Now, when I proposed to my wife,

Speaker 64 I was very broke.

Speaker 36 I bought her a discount ring for a few hundred bucks because it was all I could afford.

Speaker 58 And years later, when I was in a significantly better financial position, I bought her a much more expensive ring.

Speaker 17 And now I buy her jewelry all the time.

Speaker 15 I can afford it now.

Speaker 81 I couldn't bag then.

Speaker 66 I had to earn my way to that position.

Speaker 73 It took a long time.

Speaker 64 It took a long time.

Speaker 12 Most people, if you'll ever get to a point where you can afford $15,000 on a ring or a necklace or something.

Speaker 69 And a lot of people, you'll just, you'll never be in a spot where you can afford that, which is fine.

Speaker 73 You know, that's also fine.

Speaker 98 But if you're going to be in that spot, it's going to take a long time to get there.

Speaker 64 It takes a long time and a lot of hard work.

Speaker 87 And you can't cut the line.

Speaker 59 You cut the line, you're going to pay for it.

Speaker 33 There are very few like

Speaker 27 20-somethings out there who actually can afford 15 grand.

Speaker 66 for a thing that you're going to wear, right?

Speaker 14 Now, my wife never complained about the modest ring or showed any disappointment at all.

Speaker 10 And for the first several years of our marriage, when I never bought her any expensive gifts of any kind, she didn't whisper a word of complaint.

Speaker 12 And but here's a note for young men.

Speaker 11 If you're about to propose to a woman who actually expects an expensive ring, who will be disappointed if you stay within your budget.

Speaker 25 Well, here's the good news.

Speaker 29 You can save your money.

Speaker 64 Don't propose to her.

Speaker 29 Break it off right now and go find a woman who is not a superficial, materialistic bimbo.

Speaker 27 I mean, find a woman who, when you propose, will see you as the prize, not the ring.

Speaker 52 If you don't have a lot of money, but you have to pretend you do for her sake,

Speaker 90 she's not the one.

Speaker 18 Okay, that's a woman who will screw your life up.

Speaker 26 Run away while you still can.

Speaker 17 Now, for me, my wife knew that I was broke.

Speaker 45 There was no hiding it.

Speaker 70 And I never tried to.

Speaker 58 She got in on the ground ground floor with me.

Speaker 30 We built a life together.

Speaker 12 And that's what you should be looking for.

Speaker 77 You don't need a lot of money to get married.

Speaker 45 But you do need, if you're a man, a woman who isn't materialistic and shallow.

Speaker 13 And if you have that, then marriage doesn't need to be a great expense.

Speaker 17 You know, these days people have the idea that, and this is one of the reasons we talked at the start of the show about the declining marriage rates.

Speaker 52 This is obviously not the whole picture, but part of the picture, part of the reason I think that the rates are declining is that

Speaker 17 people have this idea that, well, I can't afford to get married. I hear this all the time.

Speaker 12 I can't afford to get married.

Speaker 2 What do you mean, afford? There's no entry fee.

Speaker 64 What do you mean, afford?

Speaker 12 I mean, if anything, you can't afford not to get married.

Speaker 92 If anything, like teaming up with somebody and working together to build a life that should be more affordable, you should find that life is more affordable after you get married than it was before.

Speaker 9 But the problem is that these days people have the idea that getting married is expensive because we choose to spend thousands of dollars on the ring, tens of thousands on the wedding reception, thousands more on the honeymoon.

Speaker 103 We've decided as a culture that

Speaker 43 we have to put a six-figure price tag on this milestone.

Speaker 2 It doesn't have to be that way.

Speaker 9 In fact, what we've done is we've put a six-figure price tag on going to college, another six-figure price tag to get married,

Speaker 99 so that if you are You know, if you're taking the culture as the cue, it seems like, well,

Speaker 75 you can't do anything.

Speaker 70 You can't even begin your life unless you're already a millionaire.

Speaker 10 It's crazy. The whole thing is nuts.

Speaker 20 I mean, in reality, you can get the ring, the wedding reception, the honeymoon without breaking five grand total, all in.

Speaker 27 You could do it for less if you wanted to.

Speaker 104 I mean, you could get married almost for free if you want to.

Speaker 69 That is, it's legal to do that, did you know?

Speaker 64 You can actually do that.

Speaker 30 There might be a few bucks you got to spend on the marriage license and that sort of thing, but you can get, I mean, you could get married for like 100 bucks.

Speaker 46 It's just a question of whether you're willing to be modest and stay within your means, or do you insist on relegating all the wedding-related expenses into this weird, alternate reality where even though you make 55 grand a year, you pretend that you're a wealthy oil baron.

Speaker 39 And that's entirely up to you.

Speaker 12 Secondly, a brief note about these female influencers who started all this trouble.

Speaker 51 There are at this point a lot of right-wing commentators, podcasters, influencers.

Speaker 86 I realize I'm one of them.

Speaker 58 We are Legion. Our numbers grow by the day.

Speaker 61 We are a giant parasitic blob expanding, threatening to consume the entire country.

Speaker 71 Pretty soon, half the world's population will be conservative influencers.

Speaker 70 Okay.

Speaker 12 It's a highly saturated field.

Speaker 42 And it's hard to know which of these people you should pay attention to, if any.

Speaker 9 So let me suggest a few filters that you might use.

Speaker 48 Filters that would at least sift out the kinds of vain, frivolous airheads that have spent the week gossiping about each other and making fun of a woman's engagement ring.

Speaker 73 Okay.

Speaker 2 So number one, if you're considering listening to any conservative commentator, podcaster, pundit, et cetera, ask yourself, does this person have any relevant life experience at all?

Speaker 77 Are they married?

Speaker 2 Do they have kids?

Speaker 12 Do they have responsibilities outside of generating content?

Speaker 81 Number two, has this person ever had an original thought?

Speaker 11 Have you ever heard or read something from this person and thought to yourself, hmm, that's an interesting idea?

Speaker 73 Hadn't thought of it that way.

Speaker 17 Or even like, wow, I really disagree with that.

Speaker 12 That sounds insane, but you know, I hadn't actually thought about that.

Speaker 35 That's kind of interesting.

Speaker 64 Have you ever thought that about this person, whoever it is?

Speaker 12 Has this person ever offered any kind of unique insight into anything ever at all?

Speaker 43 Do they present you with new ideas?

Speaker 12 Do they help you clarify your own ideas?

Speaker 13 Is there any evidence that this, in any way, is a thoughtful person with unique or worthwhile insights at all?

Speaker 74 And finally, number three, has this person contributed meaningfully to the conservative cause?

Speaker 63 Can you point to some kind of cultural or political victory that this person played an integral part in?

Speaker 52 Does this person have any wins under their belt at all?

Speaker 9 Is there any evidence that this person is an effective cultural or political warrior?

Speaker 11 If this person didn't exist, if they had never posted a single thing to the internet, if they had gone off and become a Walmart greeter instead of a conservative influencer, Would anything on the cultural or political landscape be different right now?

Speaker 45 Now, if the answer is no to any of those questions, much less all of them, then

Speaker 17 this is not a person worth listening to.

Speaker 12 I mean, they should not have an audience or a platform. And I'm not saying they should be deplatformed.

Speaker 22 I'm saying that they should be shouting into the wind.

Speaker 52 They should be ranting in an empty forest with nobody listening because they have absolutely nothing of value to say or contribute.

Speaker 12 That's the first thing that came to mind with these women that are going on about the ring.

Speaker 17 It's like some of them I've never heard before, but I'm looking at them. Apparently they're influencers.

Speaker 12 And I'm running through these. I always do this with someone new pops up on the scene, or someone, at least new to me, new on my radar.

Speaker 17 And I go, what is this? What do they do?

Speaker 84 Do they do anything?

Speaker 25 What have they ever said that's interesting?

Speaker 2 What are they contributing at all?

Speaker 93 Have they took apart?

Speaker 10 Have they been involved in any of these wins? Have they done anything?

Speaker 87 And

Speaker 10 the answer is no.

Speaker 29 And I think that describes a substantially high number of the people in this space.

Speaker 47 Not just the ridiculous women who've spent all week mocking an engagement ring, but certainly describes them too, first and foremost.

Speaker 76 And that is why,

Speaker 36 ultimately, they are today canceled.