The Justice System Is Deeply Flawed And Politically Biased | Proof For Your Liberal Friend

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Speaker 11 The proposed legislation would remove the term offender and replace it with justice-impacted individual.

Speaker 12 Change this, change that. The only thing that you don't want to change is the behavior of criminals.

Speaker 13 A couple of months ago in March, a 37-year-old man named Crossetti Brand was released on parole in the state of Illinois.

Speaker 17 He had been locked up on a charge of home invasion and sentenced to more than a decade in prison.

Speaker 19 But the state's prisoner review board decided to let him out early with electronic monitoring.

Speaker 22 And what happened after that was predictable.

Speaker 13 Just a day after he got out of prison, Chicago police say that Crossetti attacked a pregnant woman and her 11-year-old boy, killing the child and critically injuring his mother.

Speaker 13 According to court documents, the last time he was on parole, Crossetti had threatened the same woman by text and showed up at her home.

Speaker 29 But somehow, none of Crossetti's criminal history, including his alleged threats, were enough to keep him in prison.

Speaker 30 And now authorities say that a child is dead.

Speaker 2 as a result.

Speaker 13 Now, this is obviously clearly a massive failure of the judicial system in Illinois, which particularly post-BLM has focused more on rehabilitation instead of punishment.

Speaker 28 It's the kind of episode that you'd hope would spur lawmakers in Illinois to pass new laws to rein in their approach of restorative justice, quote unquote, which we have talked about recently.

Speaker 14 But the Illinois government has opted for a very different response.

Speaker 21 Instead of doing something to prevent violent criminals from getting out of prison, State lawmakers have decided on a course of action that's ripped straight from a Babylon B article, a new bill that was just passed by both houses of the Illinois legislature and which is expected to be signed by the governor would modify state law so that the term offender becomes replaced by the term justice impacted individual.

Speaker 32 Justice impacted individual.

Speaker 19 The Department of Corrections and a bunch of other government agencies will be required to use that term from now on.

Speaker 14 So the plan is not to do anything about the criminals who are getting out of prison.

Speaker 7 It's to use a nicer word to describe these criminals.

Speaker 2 Don't call them offenders. Call them justice-impacted individuals.

Speaker 30 Now, I had to check several times to make sure this wasn't satire because it is quite literally beyond parody.

Speaker 22 Actually, if the Babylon Bee had come up with this idea, I wouldn't even find it funny because it would be too on the nose.

Speaker 21 But this is reality now in Illinois.

Speaker 14 This is their cutting-edge approach to criminal justice.

Speaker 2 Watch.

Speaker 36 Bankers have passed a bill that, if signed into law by Governor Pritzker, will change the term offender in state law to justice-impacted individual.

Speaker 37 WGN's Jewel Hillary here to explain. Jewel.

Speaker 11 Hi, Micah and Brazil. So this legislation has passed both the state House and Senate.
And to be very clear, the potential language change would only apply to about 1,800 offenders across the state.

Speaker 11 On Tuesday, Bill 4409 passed in the state Senate 34 to 20.

Speaker 38 Question is, shall House Bill 4409 pass? All those in favor vote aye. Opposed nay.
the voting is open.

Speaker 11 The proposed legislation would remove the term offender and replace it with justice-impacted individual for individuals in the state's adult redeploy Illinois program, commonly referred to as ARI.

Speaker 11 According to the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority, ARI is an initiative that diverts offenders from prison to programs to help rehabilitate them to success.

Speaker 11 Republicans say the language change portrays a lack of empathy for victims and lack of concern for public safety.

Speaker 12 Change this, change that.

Speaker 12 The only thing that you don't want to change is the behavior of criminals.

Speaker 15 Now, before the fact-checkers jump down my throat, I'll emphasize one thing, which is that this rebrand doesn't apply to everyone who commits crimes in the state of Illinois.

Speaker 13 Instead, this new term applies to men and women in the state's Adult Redeploy Illinois program, or ARI, as you heard.

Speaker 22 According to the government of McLean County, Illinois, the ARA program provides for for comprehensive daily supervision of dozens of, quote, high-risk adult felons as an alternative to costly penitentiary commitment.

Speaker 20 So they're not rebranding every criminal as a justice-impacted individual.

Speaker 32 They're only rebranding some of the high-risk adult felons who otherwise would be in prison.

Speaker 14 So if you're living in Chicago, hopefully you can rest easy tonight with that distinction in mind.

Speaker 18 Now,

Speaker 20 the point of the word game here is the same as always.

Speaker 25 First, it removes agency from the individual by making terminology as passive as possible.

Speaker 14 An offender is not an offender anymore because offending is something that a person actively does, right?

Speaker 13 It puts the onus on the individual.

Speaker 21 You have gone out and offended.

Speaker 44 You've committed an offense.

Speaker 42 And instead, they're saying, well, they're justice impacted.

Speaker 8 They were impacted by justice.

Speaker 2 It's not their fault.

Speaker 14 You know, justice came along and impacted them.

Speaker 22 I mean, they're the victims here, if anything.

Speaker 45 And second, on top of making everything passive and removing agency,

Speaker 20 it also helps to identify the people that are in your club because they're the ones who know about these lingo changes and follow the rules.

Speaker 4 So it's not much different from a child who sets up a pillow fort and won't let you inside the fort unless you know the password, which changes randomly and on a whim.

Speaker 21 It's like that kind of idea.

Speaker 23 Now, if you go looking online for the term justice-impacted individual, you'll find that it's popular among Harvard podcasters, billionaire left-wing activists, giant Silicon Valley corporations like Google.

Speaker 22 These are the people and organizations that, conveniently enough, have distanced themselves as much as possible from communities where crime is high.

Speaker 14 So they don't want anything to do with the justice-impacted individuals, but they want you to have to live near them and treat them with respect and even refer to them in a way that will not be alienating or

Speaker 2 otherizing for them.

Speaker 23 Of course, nobody in the real world uses terms like justice-impacted individuals, which is precisely the point.

Speaker 14 If you go around saying the word justice-impacted individual, then you're instantly communicating where you stand on the political spectrum.

Speaker 24 And perhaps more importantly, people who don't use these new terms are instantly identifiable as outcasts, as racists, and terrible people.

Speaker 14 Every so often, wealthy elites and academics come up with new ways to provide these kinds of signals.

Speaker 21 And then they inevitably filter down to activists and government bureaucrats, which is what's happening right now in Illinois.

Speaker 22 Which is also why, by the way,

Speaker 14 this may be the first time you're hearing of justice impacted individual.

Speaker 28 Give it like a year or six months, and you'll be hearing it everywhere.

Speaker 23 That's the way this always goes.

Speaker 24 Now, there was an episode during the Canadian trucker convoy a couple of years ago that illustrates how this strategy works in practice.

Speaker 20 The truckers who gathered in the Canadian capital city of Ottawa were exactly the kind of blue-collar workers that liberals pretend to care about.

Speaker 18 But in this case, the blue-collar workers were protesting for freedom, so they had to be crushed.

Speaker 14 It was vitally important for liberals to smear these truckers as racist.

Speaker 22 And one of the ways the liberals did that was by criticizing the truckers for using the wrong lingo.

Speaker 31 This is a clip from a Fox interview that leftists mocked relentlessly during the convoy.

Speaker 19 And listen to it and see if you can spot what they considered the problem to be.

Speaker 2 Listen:

Speaker 51 It was only one guy,

Speaker 51 so we are not racist.

Speaker 51 I have

Speaker 51 all type of friends, colored friends, Spanish, Chinese, you know,

Speaker 51 they are great people.

Speaker 51 There is no racism here.

Speaker 16 So they're actually, then there's, you know, this is a Romanian trucker who clearly speaks English as a second language, and he's explaining on primetime television that he's not racist because he has a bunch of colored friends.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 21 logically, there's no difference whatsoever between saying, I have colored friends and I have friends who are people of color.

Speaker 22 It's just a slight grammatical difference that means absolutely nothing.

Speaker 14 It's all semantics.

Speaker 15 If anything, the latter sentence is unnecessarily wordy.

Speaker 23 Otherwise, they're the same.

Speaker 10 If a person can be of color, then it's accurate to say that the person is colored.

Speaker 2 A person of color is a colored person.

Speaker 52 But your intellectual superiors have decided, for reasons that cannot be explained, they've just decided that people of color is the only phrase you're allowed to use.

Speaker 22 If you say colored people, unless you're the NAACP, you're a bigot.

Speaker 31 So they vilified this trucker all over social media,

Speaker 2 both here and in Canada. And on top of that, too, not only did he use the lingo, or did he use the wrong lingo, but he also tried to

Speaker 20 disprove accusations of racism by saying that he has black friends.

Speaker 10 And we're also told by our bettors that

Speaker 2 doesn't prove anything. But of course, it absolutely does.

Speaker 32 Like if you have friends of a particular race, it's a pretty good indication that you're not racist against that race.

Speaker 13 But this is one of the main reasons that cutting-edge PC lingo exists.

Speaker 33 It's why you're supposed to say, you know, people experiencing homelessness instead of homeless drug addict.

Speaker 16 It's why you're supposed to say minor attracted person instead of pedophile.

Speaker 2 And it's why, if at all possible, you're supposed to employ clever euphemisms to describe criminals who happen to be really any race but white.

Speaker 47 The New York Post is particularly adept at this last trick to the point that it's becoming a running joke online and presumably in the Post newsroom.

Speaker 32 Among the euphemisms that New York Post has come up with to describe black suspects are cold-hearted teens, knife-wielding sicko, misogynistic maniac, and my personal favorite, lunchtime rowies.

Speaker 49 Now, just in case there is any doubt that the Post is doing this deliberately, here's a passage from that article on the lunchtime rowies.

Speaker 27 See if you can count all the euphemisms.

Speaker 20 Here it is.

Speaker 2 And this is totally real.

Speaker 23 A band of foul-mouthed, toy gun-waving, pot-puffing high school hooligans are keeping residents of West 13th off 6th Avenue hostage in their own Tony homes.

Speaker 28 For at least a year while school is in session,

Speaker 40 the roughnecks roam from stoop to stoop every day at lunchtime, rolling blunts, getting high, acting out, and taunting anyone who gets in their way.

Speaker 14 Now, with terms like hooligans, roughnecks, lunchtime rowdies, rowdies.

Speaker 14 You'd be forgiven for thinking that this is like an article from a small-town newspaper somewhere out in Wyoming in the year 1873.

Speaker 40 My only hope is that in the next post article, they can work in the terms ruffian and scoundrel.

Speaker 24 But in any case, you read the whole article and you won't find any mention in the text about the ethnicity of these lunchtime rowdies and pot-puffing hooligans.

Speaker 2 But if a white person is causing problems, the post will generally put the race in the headline.

Speaker 22 For example, one recent headline in the post read, video shows black NYC partiers scatter for cover as white neighbor douses them with garden hose.

Speaker 13 Now, there was no euphemism for the white guy.

Speaker 28 He wasn't a hose-toting scoundrel or anything like that.

Speaker 8 He's just a white neighbor.

Speaker 34 And for what it's worth, not all the people he hit with the water were black.

Speaker 13 The post went out of its way to mention the race of the white guy, even when it was misleading to do so, of course.

Speaker 14 And this isn't specific to the New York Post.

Speaker 24 It's the approach of most major media outlets.

Speaker 14 As the account Data Hazard found, the race of white murderers is made clear in more than 90% of news articles. But with black murderers, race is only mentioned in 30% of

Speaker 2 the articles.

Speaker 16 And when it does appear, it's usually much lower down in the text of the article.

Speaker 21 So this is obviously a very intentional thing that they're doing.

Speaker 46 And journalists do this in part to signal that they're true believers in principles of restorative justice.

Speaker 22 And in the process, they're denying the agency of black offenders by holding them to a completely different standard.

Speaker 13 These criminals get additional protections in the media, even when they commit heinous crimes, solely on the basis of their skin color.

Speaker 22 And now the state of Illinois is doing the same thing. It's almost as if they hired the New York Post euphemism guy to write their legislation.

Speaker 26 Now, to give the left some credit, they understand the role of language in shaping policy and shaping opinions and the views of the public.

Speaker 16 In order to normalize crime and pedophilia, they first need to change the way people refer.

Speaker 15 to crime and pedophilia.

Speaker 32 And that effort is now underway in Illinois, which means that many more justice-impacted individuals will soon be out on the streets.

Speaker 10 It also means that many more innocent people, including children and pregnant women, will be impacted by these justice-impacted individuals.

Speaker 15 Because one euphemism at a time in Democrat-run cities all over the country, it's pretty clear that that's the point.

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Speaker 17 Out on the show about the collapse of the criminal justice system, the very concept of criminal justice, of enacting justice and punishing crime, has been destroyed.

Speaker 40 But very few people ever take the time to trace the roots of our current state of lawlessness back to its origins.

Speaker 32 And the thing is, you don't need to trace the roots very far.

Speaker 23 At least maybe not all the way back to its very origins, because you have to go all the way back to the fall of man.

Speaker 28 But you could go back only a few years and it starts to tell you the story of how we ended up where we are.

Speaker 25 Now, Now, there's a reason why we now live in a country governed by people who don't believe in simply enforcing the law and punishing lawbreakers.

Speaker 4 These are people who are operating according to certain particularly crazy beliefs.

Speaker 41 And one of those beliefs, as we briefly talked about yesterday, is that deterrence doesn't exist.

Speaker 29 Effectively, you cannot deter crime by punishing it.

Speaker 13 That's the insane idea that began in our institutions of higher learning, the sort of insane idea that can only begin in those institutions, and filtered its way down from there, as these ideas always do.

Speaker 14 Now, it began with the claim first made years ago that the death penalty doesn't deter crime. And you're probably familiar with this.

Speaker 2 You've heard it before.

Speaker 44 And now, this claim is always false for reasons we'll touch on later, but whatever you think of the death penalty, the implication underlying the deterrence argument was never going to stop at the death penalty.

Speaker 22 It was always going to go far beyond that.

Speaker 14 And indeed, we've seen that progression in recent years.

Speaker 10 It's no longer, well, the death penalty is pointless because people don't consider those consequences when they commit crime.

Speaker 13 Instead, the argument we're hearing today is all harsh punishment is pointless because people don't consider any consequences when they commit crime.

Speaker 14 This is the intellectual origin of the soft on crime approach to law enforcement that we're seeing in every major American city in the country right now.

Speaker 35 And several years ago, this approach was adopted by the Obama DOJ without any fanfare whatsoever.

Speaker 22 In May of 2016, the National Institute of Justice, which is the research arm of the DOJ, published a document entitled Five Things About Deterrence.

Speaker 13 You've almost certainly never heard of this document, but it is essentially the modern manifesto of the anti-incarceration movement in the United States.

Speaker 2 It applies the reasoning of anti-death penalty advocates to all forms of crime and to all punishment.

Speaker 14 So for that reason, it's a truly remarkable document that even though you haven't heard of, you should.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 10 we're going to go through it today.

Speaker 18 Here are the five things about deterrence that the memo highlights and then expands upon. Number one, the certainty of being caught is a vastly more powerful deterrent than the punishment.

Speaker 20 In other words, according to the DOJ, criminals are primarily worried about whether the cops are going to arrest them.

Speaker 45 They're not worried about how long they're going to have to stay in prison.

Speaker 22 The only thing they care about is whether or not they're going to get arrested.

Speaker 18 The question that apparently never occurred to the DOJ is, If the punishments aren't severe, then why would the certainty of being caught deter anyone?

Speaker 22 Why would criminals care if they're going to be caught if they know ahead of time that they won't be punished?

Speaker 8 The whole reason that being caught is scary is that you will be punished. But if you aren't going to be punished, then being caught is not a scary prospect anymore.

Speaker 23 Again, we're seeing this play out in cities across the country.

Speaker 34 Sure, the criminals are caught sometimes, but it doesn't matter to them because they aren't punished and they're back on the street a day later committing more crimes.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 46 the argument from the DOJ, which is the very first thing on the memo,

Speaker 44 all that matters is whether you catch them.

Speaker 34 It doesn't matter whether you punish them.

Speaker 42 This is what the DOJ is saying.

Speaker 32 And it's like saying that home invaders are deterred by guns, but it doesn't matter if it's a Glock or a Super Soaker, just as long as it's a gun.

Speaker 2 That's all that matters.

Speaker 20 Will it kill them?

Speaker 2 Will it make them a little wet? That doesn't.

Speaker 34 That's not factored in.

Speaker 15 It makes no sense.

Speaker 32 The DOJ's manifesto doesn't bother to expand on this point in any way.

Speaker 8 It just says, quote, research shows clearly that the chance of being caught is a vastly more effective deterrent than even draconian punishment.

Speaker 2 So there you have it.

Speaker 13 Research shows that punishment doesn't work.

Speaker 58 Research.

Speaker 29 What kind of research?

Speaker 20 Well, they don't say, at least not in that paragraph.

Speaker 10 Buried in the fine print on the page is a citation to an article by a public policy professor named Daniel Nagan at Carnegie Mellon University.

Speaker 22 Now, this is the primary paper the DOJ relies on, along with a couple of others. Apparently Nagan has done the research and he's realized the criminals don't really care about punishment.

Speaker 32 They only care about being caught.

Speaker 29 But whether or not they're punished after being caught, they don't care about that.

Speaker 14 I looked around to see if Nagan actually thinks this, and if so, what his logic is.

Speaker 24 I came across this clip from many years ago, which I'm going to play primarily because it's kind of hilarious.

Speaker 20 I want you to watch as a local news team breaks the news that, according to Daniel Nagan's first groundbreaking finding, when you have more police officers, criminals tend to commit less crime.

Speaker 19 The news station interviews then a couple of random people who say that that pretty much checks out.

Speaker 14 This is one of the best examples of research telling us something that's incredibly obvious to a comical degree.

Speaker 17 But buried in this report, if you listen carefully, is Nagan's second theory, which the DOJ finds so compelling.

Speaker 26 Watch.

Speaker 59 Now that event raises a larger question.

Speaker 60 Is more police presence a deterrent to people who commit serious crimes?

Speaker 61 Well, that's what research done by one criminologist in Pennsylvania is suggesting tonight. Jerry Askin is here now with that story.
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Speaker 62 Hey, Kim and Calvin. Here's research done by Professor Daniel Nagan today at the event for National Law Enforcement Appreciation Day.
We asked Sheriff Hammond and many others about the research.

Speaker 59 Carnegie Millen University professor Daniel Nagan is convinced of his findings that better police presence will reduce crime. If the police are properly deployed,

Speaker 59 that their presence can have a very substantial deterrent effect. In other words, stopping crimes before they happen is more effective than the threat of a lot of prison time.

Speaker 59 There's little evidence that making punishments even more severe than they already are has an incremental deterrent effect.

Speaker 59 Run Powell is a pastor at a church on Dotson Avenue, and he agrees with the research.

Speaker 63 Because when police are close by, they're less likely to commit any crimes. Most crimes are done undercover.

Speaker 59 The city of Chattanooga is growing its budget to bring in at least 40 more officers by next spring or summer. They must first finish their academy and field training before hitting the streets.

Speaker 59 Ebony Moore is ready to see more officers and believes it will deter criminals.

Speaker 39 Yeah, they would definitely be more fearful. They would know, they would be more aware of their surroundings and more aware of everything they're doing.

Speaker 63 I mean, if I had a police officer on every block, you're going to find it safer than if I had none.

Speaker 2 So the reporter holds up the stack of papers. Here's the research.

Speaker 32 It shows that more police means less crime.

Speaker 43 And then you cut to two local residents and the sheriff who say,

Speaker 33 yeah,

Speaker 32 yeah, you think?

Speaker 18 Apparently, being a professor at Carnegie Mellon, I guess, isn't what it used to be.

Speaker 23 Random people off the street think that your research is incredibly obvious because it is.

Speaker 22 But, you know, they still get the big research grants and everything to go and compile all this paperwork telling us what everybody already knows.

Speaker 14 But the key part of that segment for our purposes is what Daniel Nagan says in the clip.

Speaker 14 He reports that, quote, there's little evidence that making punishments even more severe than they already are has an incremental effect.

Speaker 14 And right away, that's actually a different argument from the one the DOJ is making.

Speaker 17 The DOJ said flat out that, quote, draconian punishments don't deter crime.

Speaker 46 But the argument that this Carnegie Mellon professor is advancing in that clip is that if you make our existing punishments more severe, then they won't deter crime all that much additionally,

Speaker 14 which are really two different arguments. And this little inconsistency confused me enough to look up Nagan's actual paper, the one the DOJ cites in its manifesto on deterrence.

Speaker 20 And in that article, you'll find two claims.

Speaker 14 The first one is the idea he outlines in the video clip that, quote, there's little evidence that increases in the length of the already long prison sentences yield general deterrence effects that are sufficiently large to justify their social and economic costs.

Speaker 32 In other words, he's saying that existing prison sentences are a sufficient deterrent and we don't need to make them longer.

Speaker 15 But afterwards in the paper, Nagan goes on and says pretty much what the DOJ claims.

Speaker 17 He says, quote, I have concluded there is little evidence of a specific deterrent effect arising from the experience of imprisonment compared with the experience of non-custodial sanctions such as probation.

Speaker 17 It's clear that lengthy prison sentences cannot be justified on a deterrence-based

Speaker 48 based crime prevention basis.

Speaker 2 Now, those claims don't follow at all.

Speaker 14 His starting point is that we don't need to make prison sentences longer.

Speaker 18 And somehow, without showing his work, he ends up with a declaration that criminals don't really care about their punishments and whether they're apprehended

Speaker 49 as though apprehension without punishment matters to anyone.

Speaker 15 So we might as well just sentence everyone to probation.

Speaker 23 Like that's what he's saying.

Speaker 14 It doesn't make a difference whether you give them probation or you send them to prison.

Speaker 43 It's going to have the same effect.

Speaker 17 The technical term for this kind of argument from an academic perspective is that it's garbage.

Speaker 18 It's a clearly absurd claim, but it's the basis for the DOJ's entire argument against deterrence.

Speaker 13 This is the document that the DOJ cites to justify its policy of releasing as many criminals as possible, or at least criminals who share the DOJ's politics.

Speaker 14 You know, those are the ones that they tend to prefer.

Speaker 17 So it's hard to overemphasize just how truly bizarre and incredible this is, but it gets weirder.

Speaker 24 Citing Nagan's research, the DOJ goes on to claim that, quote,

Speaker 47 sending an individual convicted of a crime to prison isn't a very effective way to deter crime.

Speaker 15 Again, that's a direct quote from a document produced by the DOJ in 2016.

Speaker 35 Sending an individual convicted of a crime to prison isn't a very effective way to deter crime.

Speaker 15 And they're saying that because some random Carnegie Mellon professor wrote it down a few years earlier.

Speaker 2 Again, they don't really clarify this point.

Speaker 35 Here's the extent of the DOJ's explanation to a point that's like, should be shocking coming from the DOJ.

Speaker 34 Prison doesn't deter crime at all?

Speaker 2 So like prisons are pointless.

Speaker 47 Quote, prisons are good for punishing criminals and keeping them off the street, but prison sentences, particularly longer sentences, are unlikely to deter future crime.

Speaker 20 Prisons actually may have the opposite effect.

Speaker 17 Inmates learn more effective crime strategies from each other, and time spent in prison may desensitize many to the threat of future imprisonment.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 15 if this is true, it's an argument for giving out even longer sentences, not shorter ones.

Speaker 46 In fact, this is a solid reason to be much more generous in handing out life sentences.

Speaker 2 Because if you give a life sentence, and actually make it a life sentence, meaning that the person isn't released after 25 years or whatever, but they're really there for the rest of their lives, then the deterrence issue, at least for that individual, is a moot point.

Speaker 33 He's gone.

Speaker 2 He's off the street for good.

Speaker 14 But the DOJ doesn't mention this possibility in the memo at all.

Speaker 17 They don't mention that, well, you could just do that.

Speaker 32 Instead, they go the opposite way.

Speaker 19 They conclude that we should let people out of jail sooner.

Speaker 14 Like after just telling us that jail only makes criminals more dangerous, well, we should just have the sentences be shorter.

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