Thanksgiving Is Not A Sinister Holiday | Proof For Your Liberal Friend

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Speaker 1 The Pilgrims overtook the Native Americans and took everything that they had worked so hard for.

Speaker 7 Well, you know, Thanksgiving is a wonderful time. It's my favorite holiday.

Speaker 7 It's a time for celebration, gratitude, time to gather around the table with your family, enjoy a wonderful meal, reflect on all the things that you're thankful for, unless you are a deranged leftist.

Speaker 7 In which case, you will insist that Thanksgiving is not so simple. There are nuances, as you like to say.
Thanksgiving is deeply problematic.

Speaker 7 And that's why every year, around this time of year, you'll start seeing articles like this one, which was just published in The Nation, headline, Should America Keep Celebrating Thanksgiving?

Speaker 7 Now, the article presents two competing perspectives. Both sides of the discussion are put forward, and you have to give the nation credit at least for giving both sides of the debate.

Speaker 7 As dumb as you might think the debate is, at least they gave both sides. And, you know, that's honestly more than I would expect from this publication.

Speaker 7 So here's the first argument presented by a guy named Sean Sherman.

Speaker 7 Quote, the sanitized version of Thanksgiving neglects to mention the violence, land theft, and subsequent decimation of indigenous populations.

Speaker 7 Needless to say, this causes tremendous distress to those of us who are still reeling from the trauma of these events to our communities. Thanksgiving's roots are intertwined with colonial aggression.

Speaker 7 One of the first documented Thanksgivings came in 1637 after the colonists celebrated their massacre of an entire Pequot village.

Speaker 7 I do not think we need to end Thanksgiving, but we do need to decolonize it.

Speaker 7 That means centering the Indigenous perspective and challenging the colonial narratives around the holiday and every other day on the calendar.

Speaker 7 By reclaiming authentic histories and practices, decolonization seeks to honor Indigenous values, identities, and knowledge. This approach is one of constructive evolution.

Speaker 7 In decolonizing Thanksgiving, we acknowledge this painful past while reimagining our lives in a more truthful manner.

Speaker 7 Now, by the way, in case this wasn't clear, that was the pro-Thanksgiving side of the debate. So they have two sides of the debate.
That's what the pro-sound side sounds like.

Speaker 7 The Thanksgiving defender is a guy who thinks that the European settlers were evil, genocidal colonizers. So if that's what he thinks, here's what the opponent of the holiday has to say.

Speaker 7 You want to give thanks? Give thanks to native nations who granted settlers some form of legitimacy by entering into treaties recognizing them to be in our homelands.

Speaker 7 Those treaties recognize that Americans are now under our spiritual custody and have rights to pass through our country.

Speaker 7 As soon as Americans were able to impose their will on Indigenous nations, the treaties were violated.

Speaker 7 Some Indigenous nations do not have treaties, and legally this means their nation should be intact.

Speaker 7 Those of us who have treaties have defensible legal claims to lands that are now occupied by private American settlers under U.S. law.
November is already Native American Heritage Month.

Speaker 7 Thanksgiving could be something better. A day to appreciate the truth of a Native American history and Native Americans' contributions to our lives.

Speaker 7 Let's tell a different story by dropping the lie of Thanksgiving and begin a truths giving.

Speaker 7 Yes, let's tell the truth of Thanksgiving, he says. Let's tell the story that no one's ever heard before.

Speaker 7 And that's why every year around this time, there are dozens of articles and videos talking about the alleged truth that nobody is allegedly talking about.

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Speaker 7 It's true that the traditional story of Thanksgiving that they used to tell young children in school decades ago is simplistic. And there's probably a certain element of legend to it.

Speaker 7 Every country has its legends. Every country has its foundational myths.

Speaker 7 There is nothing sinister about about that. Stories are passed down through the generations.
Details are lost over time.

Speaker 7 Sometimes details are added, all to preserve the central theme or message in the story. Every culture has its legends.

Speaker 7 And really, our understanding of all historical events from centuries ago is at the very least incomplete.

Speaker 7 We don't have camera footage to review, so we can only go by what people involved said happened,

Speaker 7 or what people who talked to people involved said happened. None of this is revelatory.

Speaker 7 We all understand this.

Speaker 7 Okay, so every time they say, well, did you know, you know, what they told you in second grade about Thanksgiving, did you know that wasn't the whole story?

Speaker 7 Of course it's not the whole story, you idiots. This is second grade.
I assume it wasn't the whole story. None of that changes the basic meaning of Thanksgiving.

Speaker 7 or undermines or debunks the basic central story of Thanksgiving.

Speaker 7 Besides, the old simplistic story of the holiday has now been replaced with a new simplistic story.

Speaker 7 In the new simplistic version, the Native tribes were all a bunch of peaceful tree-hugging hippies in tune with the earth and nature, singing kumbaya when they were viciously slaughtered by the white man.

Speaker 1 The pilgrims overtook the Native Americans and took everything that they had worked so hard for.

Speaker 7 The actual truth is that the Native tribes were in a constant state of war long before any white man set foot on these shores.

Speaker 7 Violence was an integral part of so-called indigenous culture, all indigenous cultures, because it was not just one culture.

Speaker 7 These were disparate tribes stretched out all over the hemisphere, and violence was an integral part of all of them, no exceptions.

Speaker 7 As for their contact with European settlers, sometimes the contact was peaceful on both sides. On some occasions, the settlers committed atrocities.

Speaker 7 On some occasions, the Indians committed atrocities. On some occasions, the atrocities on either side were basically unprovoked.
On plenty of occasions, there was mutual combat between the two sides.

Speaker 7 They don't mention any of this. They never do.

Speaker 7 They never acknowledge even one of the many, many, many countless instances of Indian tribes inflicting horrific, savage violence on innocent colonists, including women and children, and on each other.

Speaker 7 They never acknowledge it because they don't want you to realize that this land was not stolen. It was conquered fair and square.
The previous conquerors of this land were then themselves conquered.

Speaker 7 That's the way it goes. By the way, I've got news for you.
400 years ago, almost everybody's life was brutal and tragic.

Speaker 7 If we're supposed to be sad about misfortunes suffered by people we never met way back in the distant past, then we will never stop being sad.

Speaker 7 Almost everyone everywhere suffered greatly back in those days. There are plenty of people still suffering greatly today.

Speaker 7 If you want to empathize with people's pain, maybe choose people who are currently living, not people who had decomposed in the ground 400 years ago, not people who died 300 years before the automobile was invented.

Speaker 7 Now in final analysis, history contains an essentially infinite amount of suffering and atrocities and outrages and injustices. It also contains heroism and sacrifice and courage and achievement.

Speaker 7 It is up to us to decide which of those things in our national history we will focus on.

Speaker 7 I contend that the healthiest category to focus on, the thing that you focus on if you want to be a thriving and happy and healthy society, is the latter, which isn't to say that we outright deny and never discuss the former.

Speaker 7 Of course, we acknowledge that bad things were done in our history. We shouldn't try to erase that from the history books, and nobody is.

Speaker 7 But ultimately, you will look back on your history with pride and gratitude or with resentment and despair. You will focus on the triumph or the tragedy.

Speaker 7 The people of all other nations across the world, or at least the non-Western world, they choose to focus focus on the triumph of their ancestors, which breeds national pride and patriotism and gratitude.

Speaker 7 In the modern West, we are the only ones who have decided to basically ignore all of the positive and concentrate almost exclusively on the bad.

Speaker 7 So much so that even our day of thanksgiving has become, at least in some corners, times of mourning.

Speaker 7 And what has that strategy gotten us? It's only made us resentful, sullen, depressed, ungrateful.

Speaker 7 It has made made us worse people and our country a worse country.

Speaker 7 That's why I will not partake in this historical self-flagellation.

Speaker 7 Instead, I celebrate the incredible valor and intrepidness of my ancestors. I take pride in this country's history, in those who made it possible for this country to exist in the first place.

Speaker 7 I am happy that they came here and that they conquered. I am thankful for their conquest.
I will give thanks for it on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 7 And for so much else.

Speaker 7 And for everybody else, I will say they are today

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