Former Health Secretary Becerra on RFK Hearing and CA Gov Race

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Speaker 8 So you have Republican senators who were even grilling RFK Jr.

Speaker 8 during that disastrous hearing that took place this week, who are physicians who were grilling him saying, you're killing the American people with your anti-vax policies. Our constituents are dying.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 8 But then when the hearing was over, or even right before the hearing, when they were asked by the press, so do you have no confidence in this guy?

Speaker 8 They would run away from the press and say, look, whatever Donald Trump wants, we got to give Donald Trump whatever he wants.

Speaker 8 So, you know, even though you saw what went down in there, if you don't believe me, here's Senator Barroso from Wyoming. He's a physician, Republican senator, like the number two in the Senate.

Speaker 4 Again, a physician.

Speaker 8 Here he is, running away from the press, and you'll hear him say, We just have to give whatever Donald Trump wants. He literally says that.
Here, play this clip.

Speaker 13 Do you still have confidence in him, Senator?

Speaker 7 His ability to lead HHS.

Speaker 1 Do you have confidence in him, Senator?

Speaker 7 Is there a reason

Speaker 14 what the President of the United States is doing, and I will not second him?

Speaker 7 Your job is literally to second guess it.

Speaker 8 Like, oversight is mean second guess.

Speaker 8 Your job is to say, wait a minute, maybe we're a co-equal branch, and what you're doing is killing people. This was that guy's questioning.
Right before that. This is Barroso questioning RFK Jr.

Speaker 8 Here, watch this.

Speaker 14 I support vaccines. I'm a doctor.
Vaccines work.

Speaker 14 Secretary Kennedy, in your confirmation hearings, you promised to uphold the highest standards for vaccines. Since then, I've grown deeply concerned.
The public has seen measles outbreaks.

Speaker 14 Leadership in the National Institute of Health questioning the use of mRNA vaccines. The recently confirmed director of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention fired.

Speaker 14 Americans don't know who to rely on.

Speaker 14 In a recent poll said, 89% of voters, 81% of Trump voters agree vaccine recommendations should come from trained physicians scientists public health experts so you know they believe you know senator marshall senator cassidy they believe me when it comes to vaccines

Speaker 14 if we're going to make america healthy again we can't allow public health to be undermined well so you're going to kill me

Speaker 8 but i i'm angry at it but go and do it go what am i in the loony tunes here what am i missing and then senator cassidy from louisiana also a physician here he is running away from the questioning.

Speaker 8 Here, play this clip.

Speaker 15 Do you regret your vote?

Speaker 15 You know me, Jr., you know,

Speaker 13 I knew I've referred to our tweet on this. I'm a

Speaker 15 question.

Speaker 15 I know you have some different questions, but you're trying to get something similar.

Speaker 15 And this is not going to come.

Speaker 15 Thank you. Whether you

Speaker 15 still stand by that vote?

Speaker 8 Is he like covering his face?

Speaker 12 How are these people real?

Speaker 13 Like, what am I watching is actual united states senators here's what cassidy was saying during his questioning of health secretary rfk jr here play this clip the first one i would say effectively we're denying people vaccines here play this clip secondly an email from a physician friend of mine hey bill i'm not even sure what i'm asking you but we're all confused and concerned about who can get the covet vaccine we are having our attorney try and render an opinion but there's no firm guidance and concern about liability if vaccines are given to a patient who requested, but not on the current CDC list.

Speaker 13 Pharmacists are requiring a prescription now, even for patients over 65, creating a huge headache. I submit these for the record.
Without objection.

Speaker 13 I would say effectively, we're denying people vaccine.

Speaker 13 Senator Catwell.

Speaker 2 I get wrong.

Speaker 8 All right, now let's bring in the former Secretary for Health and Human Services, Javier Becerra, under the Biden administration.

Speaker 8 Secretary Becerra is also running for governor, the state of California, which we'll talk about as well. But I got to start by asking you about that RFK Jr.

Speaker 8 hearing, and we'll get into more of what he's doing at the agency, the sprawling agency you led, which controls CDC, Medicare and Medicaid services, all of that.

Speaker 8 But let's just start off with the hearing. Did you watch it?

Speaker 5 What was your reaction to it?

Speaker 11 Whatever. I caught parts of it, Ben.
I wasn't able to watch all of it, but I did catch parts. I obviously was informed of other things.

Speaker 11 It's kind of hard to watch because here you're seeing the dismantling of an agency, CDC, that is

Speaker 11 our canary in the coal mine to let Americans know when we got to be ready for something that's getting ready to broadside us.

Speaker 11 And here, this dismantling is occurring before the senator's eyes, and they're just letting it go. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 8 You think about the hearings that you attended and

Speaker 8 the treatment that you would get by Republican senators. And

Speaker 8 now you see RFK Jr. quite literally saying things that's pro-death and pro-killing people.

Speaker 8 It must make you want to just say,

Speaker 8 what world am I even watching right now?

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 the people who should be fired.

Speaker 11 are the ones who are running the ship and the folks who should be staying are the ones who are being dismissed.

Speaker 11 It's Alice in Wonderland on steroids, and it's unfortunate because in Alice in Wonderland, it's a cartoon. Here it's real, so people will die.

Speaker 8 Let's talk about some of the moves that we've been seeing because you know these senior leaders at the CDC who have either been fired or forced out.

Speaker 8 You know the senior leadership at all of the other divisions within Health and Human services. How dangerous is it that

Speaker 8 these people are being pushed out and that we're losing this type of talent?

Speaker 11 So, to put it in perspective, on a daily basis, certainly as things got better, lust maybe on a weekly basis, I was briefed by what we called our white coats, our head of CDC, our head of the FDA.

Speaker 11 We had our infectious diseases experts, including Dr. Fauci from the NIH,

Speaker 11 and a whole slew of healthcare experts who would constantly, first it was daily, as things got better less, so

Speaker 11 brief us. And the very first thing we would always start with is a briefing by the CDC director on what the data were showing.
How many deaths? Where are the hospitalizations?

Speaker 11 Where is the infection going? What's the latest variant of COVID that's beginning to hit? Where? It was detailed.

Speaker 11 And today, to believe that we don't have a CDC director in place and that we've lost a couple and that we've lost the team that was actually helping pull together all that

Speaker 11 important data, it can get very scary. You know, when the seas are calm, you can have pretty much anybody steer the ship.
But when you're in crisis, You need the best.

Speaker 11 And we've just seen the best either dismissed or resigned because they can no longer work under this leadership. And politicians don't make good scientists.

Speaker 8 How big of a deal is the kind of gutting of this vaccine advisory board and also

Speaker 8 the guidelines that are being handed down regarding vaccinations for children, vaccinations with respect to COVID, really limiting people's access,

Speaker 8 making us, I think, more unhealthy. But from your former inside perspective, what should we know about that?

Speaker 11 The advisory committee is indispensable because you can have a wonderful, a talented director at CDC or a great commissioner at FDA,

Speaker 11 but you need to have these committees that are composed of experts from around the country. who may not always agree.

Speaker 11 And you want to hear that symphony of voices because you're about to make a decision about whether this particular vaccine should be provided to kids under the age of six years old.

Speaker 11 And you want to make sure you've heard from all the best minds because you want to be able to take into account the detractors as well.

Speaker 11 Well, when you gut the ACIF, the committee, the advisory committee, and then you load it up with people who are from one particular political trajectory, you know you're not going to get good results.

Speaker 11 And now you leave the CDC, its director, and its team rudderless because now they're making decisions.

Speaker 11 They may be able to make good decisions, but they're not getting that stereo effect of hearing all the voices so they've taken everything into account. It's dangerous.

Speaker 11 And that's why this committee is so important.

Speaker 11 And that's why politicizing the committee is so crucially dangerous for the rest of us in America who rely on good judgment on what to do to protect us from these public calamities that can occur with diseases and so forth.

Speaker 8 I mean, to think about polio and measles. I mean, I'm a father of a one who's about to turn one years old and, you know,

Speaker 8 want to make sure she's protected, of course. But, you know, these diseases from the past

Speaker 8 that were virtually eradicated and now we're hearing stories about the measles outbreaks, polio, mumps, rubella, bubonic plague.

Speaker 8 I mean, the work that everyone had to do, you know, to get rid of MPOCS. And then I saw the way it was even being treated during the hearing by Republicans, or I see it on Fox,

Speaker 8 which I call regime media, where they downplay the threat and

Speaker 8 almost spread these like conspiracies that we saw in the 80s when it came to

Speaker 8 HIV and AIDS. And it's only a gay person thing.

Speaker 8 And I'm seeing them doing it. I'm like, what are we talking about here?

Speaker 11 Ben, you just said you've got a one-year-old. How do you make the decision about whether or not you should vaccinate your one-year-old for COVID?

Speaker 11 If now you can't trust the committee that is supposed to advise our experts at CDC, and now you don't have a CDC permanent director who can prove that he or she is not biased by politics, how do you now make a judgment?

Speaker 11 You can go to your pediatrician, but your pediatrician was relying on the recommendations made by the CDC and its advisory committee, which now is not

Speaker 11 an available course of action, it can be dangerous because these drugs are, you know, they can save lives, but if it's not done the right way, they can also hurt you.

Speaker 11 So that's why you have to make sure this is done right.

Speaker 11 Again, when things are calm, when we remember when we took over in the Biden administration, when Donald Trump handed over the keys to Joe Biden on inauguration date, January 2021,

Speaker 11 the equivalent of four jumbo jets crashed and burned with everybody on board, Americans dying to the tune of more than 4,000. About 4,100 Americans died on Inauguration Day 2021.

Speaker 11 That's what Donald Trump handed over to Joe Biden during the COVID pandemic.

Speaker 11 People were dying. We had to get us out of that.
And fortunately, we did. And mostly because of the vaccines.
Now we're pretty safe.

Speaker 11 But, you know, we could go back to those days where four jumbo jets of Americans are perishing every day, or 10 of them, whatever the number is.

Speaker 11 All I'm saying is we can't afford to have incompetence governing at HHS or at CDC.

Speaker 8 Let me get to California, the governor's race right here.

Speaker 8 I think one of the things you showed as the Secretary for Health and Human Services is you inherited a mess from the Trump regime, as you just described, and provided stable, competent leadership during very difficult times.

Speaker 8 And as you bring that to California, California is under attack right now more than any state by the Trump regime in every way from National Guard to defunding universities to Medicaid and Medicare being under attack to social security offices being destroyed to ICE disappearing human beings off the street.

Speaker 8 It's obviously there's a lot of people running for governor right now in the Democratic primary. What kind of separates you from others and what's your overall kind of platform there as you look to

Speaker 8 the threats facing California, what California needs right now?

Speaker 11 Ben, there's a lot of bark out there right now, whether it's against Trump or against this crisis of affordability that we're facing.

Speaker 11 You need a dog who knows how to bite. And that's where I think I can excel.

Speaker 11 If some can do it, Becerra can do it better because I've done it. And that's what I hope to prove to the voters in California that if you want someone who can get us out of a crisis,

Speaker 11 no bigger crisis than COVID that we faced recently, if you want someone who knows how to battle Donald Trump, when I was Attorney General, when Donald Trump was president the first time, I kept him at bay.

Speaker 11 I stopped him from violating the law. I kept him from harming California.
I had to sue Donald Trump over 120 times to do that. But we showed him we could bite.

Speaker 11 And right now, I think the public in California recognizes we need someone who who can't be a novice behind the steering wheel.

Speaker 11 And I think at this stage, right now, California can lead the way out of this man-made disaster that we see occurring in Washington, D.C. And we will, because we have no choice.

Speaker 11 We've become the fourth largest economy in the world, but too many of our families don't feel that prosperity. So

Speaker 11 we've got to walk and chew gum. We've got to beat up on the Trump regime at the same time that we're making California more affordable.

Speaker 8 As you're traveling the state as part of your campaign, are there certain things you're hearing more frequently than others from people in terms of what they're afraid about? You know, even when

Speaker 8 I used to be a litigator, you know, I did lots of cases in Kern County and Fresno and Central and Northern California. I mean, Trump is screwing over those farmers.

Speaker 8 I mean, those farmers are being hurt, whether it's the cost of fertilizer, Trump stealing 2 billion gallons from their reservoirs to pretend that he was putting out wildfires in Southern California by pretending he turned on a faucet, but literally taking the water, the needed water away from them,

Speaker 8 to the loss of business that these farmers face because of the trade war against the world and people are just buying produce elsewhere and not from the United States anymore.

Speaker 8 So to me, even in the red pockets of California, which is,

Speaker 8 you know, which is certainly smaller than the overall blue areas of California.

Speaker 8 It does seem that whether you're red or blue or independent, that Trump's attacking you if you're living in California, frankly, the rest of the country.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and you know, Ben, what's interesting is a lot of those folks who voted for Trump, even in California, were saying, we want to shake things up.

Speaker 11 They just didn't think that they'd be the people being shaken.

Speaker 11 And now it's beginning to hit home. Those farmers who are saying, wait a minute,

Speaker 11 we need to have somebody who's harvesting those crops.

Speaker 11 The people in our construction industry are saying, wait a minute, someone has to help us continue to build. And now all of a sudden we're losing this workforce or they're too afraid to come out.

Speaker 11 We see what's going on with healthcare where California was approaching universal health care coverage where everyone in California could say they have access to the doctor or hospital they need.

Speaker 11 All of a sudden, Donald Trump yanks a trillion dollars out of the Medicaid program, what we call Medi-Cal, and lo and behold, we're going to have a whole bunch of families who are suffering.

Speaker 11 What most Californians are saying, what I'm hearing is, just give me some stability. I got to go to work in the morning.
I got to come back and take care of my kids.

Speaker 11 I don't have time to have to live on these choppy seas. I know, I talked about how calm seas, you could pretty much have anybody steer the ship.

Speaker 11 But when the seas are really rocky, choppy, you need somebody who knows how to get there.

Speaker 11 And I think most Californians, like most Americans, are simply saying, just calm the waters so I can make a living. I can get my kids to college or get them into an apprenticeship program.

Speaker 11 Help me make sure I can keep my health insurance. They're not asking for a whole lot.
And they thought maybe some of those voters thought maybe Donald Trump could do it.

Speaker 11 But, you know, the cost of living continues to go up. Energy prices are doubling.

Speaker 11 Housing prices haven't gone down. The interest rates haven't gone down.
Eggs are still too high in price.

Speaker 11 I think they're, you know, they're feeling like they got ripped off.

Speaker 8 Secretary Becerra, where can people find out more about your campaign?

Speaker 11 So, Javier Becerra 2026, you can reach me there

Speaker 11 or you can just try to reach me whenever you see me coming out on the street. I'm

Speaker 11 more than willing to talk. And Ben, I hope what you all do is take interest in this race because as goes California, so goes the nation.

Speaker 8 Absolutely.

Speaker 8 Maybe we host the first digital debate.

Speaker 4 We'll figure it out what we could be doing there.

Speaker 8 But it's definitely of a keen interest to us.

Speaker 8 we appreciate you coming on javier becera former health and human services secretary former attorney general of california i could list the rest of his resume but it would probably take another 30 minutes in this video thank you so much we appreciate you keep doing it

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