Trump Ambassador Picks Collapse Under Cross-Exam at Hearing

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Speaker 3 You will not share your personal views on whether it is right or wrong to reinstitute discriminatory policies in this country to prevent black people from voting?

Speaker 32 Senator, my personal views are irrelevant.

Speaker 34 Yeah, so that was Senator Murphy cross-examining Donald Trump's pick to be the ambassador for South Africa.

Speaker 34 And Donald Trump's pick, a guy by the name of Leo Brent Bozell III, was not able to answer his views on whether the United States should discriminate against black people and prevent black people from voting, and whether the United States should simply take it refugees because they're white and not allow brown or black people to come in as refugees based on their skin color.

Speaker 34 I'm going to show you what went down. You're probably not seeing this on really any other media network out there, but this took place on Friday.

Speaker 34 And I'm also going to show you some Republicans who were grilling some of Donald Trump's other picks to be ambassador. A guy by the name of the honorable Amir Ghalib.

Speaker 34 This guy was one of the people in Michigan who said that Donald Trump's going to be there to support the Palestinians and Donald Trump loves Arabs and Arabs for Trump.

Speaker 34 He was that guy who sat on the city council there. I'm not sure if you remember him.
But anyway, he was picked by Donald Trump to be the ambassador to Kuwait.

Speaker 34 And this guy previously said Saddam Hussein is a martyr and congratulated Donald Trump for invading Kuwait.

Speaker 34 So let me show you what went down at this hearing where these individuals were cross-examined.

Speaker 34 This is what Senator Murphy said when he cross-examined Leo Brent Bozell, who's Trump's pick to be the ambassador to South Africa. Here, play this clip right here.

Speaker 3 Do you support having a refugee admissions policy in this country that only admits white refugees?

Speaker 32 Senator, I don't make that policy. Well, but it's really important.
But I think this is.

Speaker 3 If I were to ask this question of virtually any nominee

Speaker 3 to be an ambassador prior to this panel, that would be an easy layup answer. No, of course.
Of course.

Speaker 3 Of course, we don't support having a refugee policy where we only admit white people. So, why can't you give me your personal view on that?

Speaker 32 Because, Senator, I am here

Speaker 35 to

Speaker 32 serve America and to do what the President is asking me to do. I'll be following the executive order of February.

Speaker 3 Would you support reinstituting laws in this country to only allow white people to vote?

Speaker 32 Senator, I'm going to serve as Ambassador to South Africa, and I'm going to focus on that.

Speaker 3 You will not share your personal views on whether it is right or wrong to reinstitute discriminatory policies in this country to prevent black people from voting?

Speaker 32 Senator, my personal views are irrelevant. I am serving here to do what the president is asking me to do in South Africa.

Speaker 3 Well, that's just simply not true. The whole reason that you're appearing before this committee is because your personal views, your history, is absolutely relevant to your fitness to serve.

Speaker 3 We wouldn't have this process if your personal views were not relevant.

Speaker 3 That is pretty stunning that you will not share your views not only on whether we should have a refugee admissions process that is race-based, but you won't share your personal views on whether we should re-impose discriminatory treatment against Black Americans.

Speaker 3 That is absolutely relevant to your qualifications to serve. And your refusal to answer it, I hope, is something that every member of this committee will think about.

Speaker 34 Then you had Democratic Senator Van Holland. Let me show you his cross-examination of Bozell.
Play this clip.

Speaker 32 President Trump made the legally and morally absurd claim that the government of South Africa was engaged in genocide against Afrikaners there.

Speaker 32 And if confirmed, you, of course, would be our ambassador to South Africa. So I have a pretty straightforward question.

Speaker 32 Do you agree that that claim was absurd?

Speaker 32 Thank you, Senator, for that question.

Speaker 32 My answer to you is this.

Speaker 32 If you were to talk to those people who are involved, they forgot Mr. Visella, sorry, genocide is a legally defined issue.
No, no, no, no. It's not a question of someone's impression.

Speaker 32 There's a legal definition for it. To your knowledge, has the State Department legal advisor concluded that the government of South Africa is engaged in genocide?

Speaker 32 Senator, I don't know that answer. But what are you sure?

Speaker 32 But, Senator. No, it's a straightforward question.
I'm not going to.

Speaker 32 It's a straightforward question. There's a legal definition of genocide.
I want to know if you agree that that's an absurd claim made by the President of the United States.

Speaker 32 Senator, I'm not a lawyer, so I can't address it that way.

Speaker 32 The president, of course, uh is reported to be engaged right now in reducing the number of refugees that can come into the united states to something around 7 500 and that the overwhelming majority of those would be afrikaner white south africans um that in my view is a a gross uh a gross misuse of our policies do you agree that we should not have a refugee policy admission policy that's based on race

Speaker 32 senator in south africa no i it's again it's a straight i'm asking you if we should have a refugee admission policy based on race again it's a simple question sir senator i'm trying to answer it

Speaker 32 yes or no do you should we have one based on race in south africa you have thousands of attacks that have taken place against white farmers they fear for their lives what the president is saying is that they can come to the United States as refugees if they fear for their lives.

Speaker 32 Right. So

Speaker 32 that's not an answer to my question.

Speaker 32 There is a legal criteria for people being admitted to the United States. My question was that based on reports, very credible reports,

Speaker 32 the Trump administration is talking about making it a cap worldwide of refugees and making almost all of them Afrikaners, white South Africans. I know you don't want to answer the question.

Speaker 32 That sounds like a race-based refugee. Senator, I can't answer.
I'm sorry, I can't answer the question. I'm not privy to that.
I don't know the answer. Do you agree with that? I don't know the answer.

Speaker 32 Let me ask you this. This is a question.

Speaker 32 Apart from South Africa, do you believe we should have a race-based refugee admissions policy? Yes or no? I believe that in South Africa. No, that wasn't my question.

Speaker 32 You're going to be a representative of the United States overseas if you're confirmed. But my folks are going to be able to do that.
Let me go on.

Speaker 32 The whole issue of South Africa is not new to you.

Speaker 32 And back in the 1980s I happened to be a staff member on this committee when this committee passed the comprehensive anti-apartheid legislation sanctions against South Africa as as I look at your comments from that period

Speaker 32 you were not supportive of that effort is that a fair characterization of your statement. I'm being very broad.

Speaker 32 I'm not aware of what you did, Senator, but I can tell you what our position position was as conservatives back in the 1980s.

Speaker 32 ANC and Nelson Mandela at that time were aligned with the Soviet Union, which was the biggest threat to peace in the world and the mortal enemy of the United States. As such, we were in opposition.

Speaker 32 I think, Senator, at the same time, it's an extraordinary evolution that 10 years later, approximately,

Speaker 32 when the wall came down and that association ended, so too did the relationship that the conservative movement had with Nelson Mandela.

Speaker 32 If I'm asked today, who do I think is the most revered person in South Africa, who do I have the most respect for? It would be Nelson Mandela. Okay, because

Speaker 32 you've criticized others for what you call sort of the glorification of Nelson Mandela, as you know. So it's interesting to hear that statement today.

Speaker 32 Let me just say in closing, you know, I think at that time you worked with then Senator Jesse Helms Helms to have a hearing that actually objected to the Reagan administration's decision to send an emissary to meet with the ANC.

Speaker 32 That was after this committee, on a bipartisan basis, led by Senator Luger, passed the sanctions bill.

Speaker 32 I think you probably were very strongly opposed to that bill. But in my view, that bill was one of the great things this committee did on a bipartisan basis, and that helped bring apartheid to an end.

Speaker 32 And people who oppose that have to live with the idea that there could still be an apartheid regime in South Africa today, but for that legislation. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.

Speaker 34 Then you had Democratic Senator Kaine. I'll show you what he had to say here.

Speaker 35 Play this clip. Senator Murphy said, it is an easy question.
It's a layup when you're asked the question of should our refugee programs be race-based?

Speaker 35 Our Constitution and the 14th Amendment says all persons, not all citizens, all persons in this country are entitled to equal protection of the laws. You'll take an oath.

Speaker 35 You'll take an oath to support that constitution should you be confirmed it's not a hard question and your unwillingness to answer it is very troubling i want to ask you this um

Speaker 35 are you aware of the freedom plus party in south african politics

Speaker 35 no senator okay i'll tell you the freedom plus party is an afrikaner political party that has the most representation of Afrikaners in the South African parliament and that is part of the national unity government.

Speaker 35 It was a party that used to be in opposition, but since 2024 has been part of the national unity government. The Afrikaners that President Trump believes are being persecuted are actually

Speaker 35 represented by a party that made the decision to join the national unity government. And I think that's something you should pay some attention to.

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Speaker 34 So then it was the Republicans' term, and then you had Senator McCormick of Pennsylvania cross-examine Donald Trump's pick to be the ambassador of Kuwait, Amir Ghalib.

Speaker 34 And he pointed out that Khalib had previously referred to Jewish people as monkeys, or he liked a post that referred to Jewish people as monkeys, said that Israel should never exist, and then praised Saddam Hussein as a martyr.

Speaker 34 This is Donald Trump's pick to be the ambassador of Kuwait. Here, play this clip.

Speaker 36 I was a member of the 82nd Airborne Division that actually helped oust Saddam Hussein from Kuwait.

Speaker 36 You referred to Saddam Hussein sympathetically as a martyr, which has some significance given that you'd be the United States highest ranking diplomat in Kuwait, a country that was invaded by Saddam.

Speaker 36 How do you justify calling Saddam Hussein a martyr to us, but also to the people of Kuwait?

Speaker 33 Thank you, Senator. I explained earlier that post was in January 7, 2020.
I was a private citizen before.

Speaker 33 It wasn't in my official capacity, and it was the day when the American military bases in Iraq were attacked by Iran. I was angry that we did not respond to the Iranian regime.

Speaker 33 And so, in a moment of anger, I recalled and complimented Saddam Hussein for keeping the Iranian regime in check.

Speaker 33 And I said earlier that probably that's in his career, that would be the only positive thing he did, and the only thing I would agree with.

Speaker 33 That

Speaker 33 no doubt he was a dictator, no doubt, the invasion of Kuwait was a crime, was a violation of the international law.

Speaker 33 And for those

Speaker 33 who are offended by that, and those who suffered from Saddam or lost loved ones, I apologize. I'm not very adamant about describing him like that.
But like I said, it was a moment of anger.

Speaker 33 I know he did a lot of atrocities to his people.

Speaker 36 Okay, let me move on to my second question. As a mayor, you repeatedly targeted American ally Israel through your support of boycott, divest, and sanctions movement against Israel.

Speaker 36 And you called for Israelis to, quote,

Speaker 36 leave the land, unquote, thereby supporting the end of the state of Israel.

Speaker 36 So my question to you, given the role you are being nominated for, do you accept President Trump's view that Israel is and should be the national home of the Jewish people?

Speaker 36 Thank you, Senator.

Speaker 33 Thank you, Senator, for that question.

Speaker 33 Let me make it clear that the BDS movement resolution was drafted by a Jewish attorney who's part of the...

Speaker 36 This question is, Do you agree or do you disagree with President Trump's view that Israel is and should be the national home of the Jewish people? Just a yes or no.

Speaker 33 Well, thank you, Senator. I think at this point we have a peace plan that everybody in the region agreed on.

Speaker 36 There's no yes or no. Do you agree with the president's position or not?

Speaker 33 I think everybody we can coexist in the region, and that's the answer that everybody has the right to exist now.

Speaker 36 Well, no, that's not the president's position. Do you agree with the president's position?

Speaker 33 I trust the president's policies, and I will support his policies now.

Speaker 36 Let me move to my third question.

Speaker 36 And I want you to take a minute and really

Speaker 36 try to explain this to me. In 2025, so this is this year, you liked a Facebook comment referring to Jews as, quote, monkeys, unquote, who levy taxes on the, quote, the air we breathe, unquote.

Speaker 36 Now, I heard you say before that you

Speaker 36 have this habit that you acknowledge all of

Speaker 36 the posts, but I don't totally understand that. So, could you please provide an explanation for the rationale of liking this comment? And do you agree with that comment?

Speaker 33 Thank you, Senator, for that question. First of all, let's correct the misinformation.
It's very disturbing. That comment was when I was a private citizen about six or seven years ago.

Speaker 33 It wasn't this year. It was under a post that I posted as a private citizen.

Speaker 33 And part of my bad habits of acknowledging reading those posts, but in the responses, I told the guy, you cannot say this in the United States of America.

Speaker 33 You can say the media did not translate that response so it wasn't to 2025 that's misinformation and and just by making assumptions and judging my intentions based on social media posts in the past I would recommend that you look at the facts and and judge my actions I'm asking for the facts so would you like to clarify do you agree with that statement what oh definitely I totally disagree and what what would you res how would you respond to the fact that you liked it in the moment what what is your response to that specific comment now at that moment i responded that this is is not appropriate to say this, but in my official capacity, I responded in 2021-22, in the second month of assuming the mayor's office by passing a resolution to condemn anti-Semitism, and that was complemented by the Jewish community.

Speaker 33 That's how I perform in my official capacity, and I represent everyone. And at the end, I'm a Samite.
The Arabs are Samite. Do we read history? How can we be anti-Semite?

Speaker 33 And I think, like I said, judge my actions and not my intentions, because we have to lay down the fact.

Speaker 33 You know, Senator Shaheen earlier said that I hired someone after he said, No, that guy has been serving in the city for the past.

Speaker 36 Thank you. I'm out of time.
Thank you.

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Speaker 34 Even Ted Cruz was a bit perplexed.

Speaker 34 Yeah, Ted Cruz was perplexed at why this guy was picked to be the ambassador of Kuwait. Here, play this clip.

Speaker 2 And you've been asked about this before, but it is really quite astonishing that on Facebook you liked a post

Speaker 2 that called Jews monkeys for their own benefit.

Speaker 33 Thank you, Senator.

Speaker 2 Why would you like a post that calls Jews monkeys?

Speaker 33 Thank you. I explained that earlier from 2010 to 2000, before I became the mayor, I used to have a bad habit of acknowledging

Speaker 33 every post, every comment under my post. It doesn't mean that I agree with it, just acknowledging.
But they were a response under that that was not translated or interpreted that says

Speaker 33 you can say this in your country, but not in this country, which means that I did not agree with that post, even though I acknowledge it. I know it was a bad habit, but let me be clear.

Speaker 33 I don't agree with that statement and I treat everybody with respect in my official capacity.

Speaker 2 And let's be clear, the statement that you liked said they are all monkeys for their own benefit. So every Jew.
is a monkey.

Speaker 33 I don't agree with that statement, Senator. And the person who wrote it is mentally challenged in our community.
He is well known. I used to have this idea of inclusivity in my past

Speaker 33 ideology. I changed in 2024.

Speaker 33 I changed even my party, you know, party.

Speaker 33 Mr.

Speaker 2 Ghalib,

Speaker 2 there may well be positions within the Trump administration that you are qualified to perform in

Speaker 2 that are unrelated to these issues that you have such passionate beliefs about. I believe your beliefs are sincere.

Speaker 2 I believe that when you

Speaker 2 became the mayor of the first city in America to pass a BDS resolution, it's because you believe in BDS. I disagree with you on that.

Speaker 2 That is contrary to the policy of the United States government, but you're entitled to have your own views.

Speaker 2 What I do not understand is how you could possibly serve as a United States ambassador for President Trump in the Middle East when you have passionate views, including having been a vocal opponent of the Abraham Accords, the singular and most consequential accomplishment President Trump has negotiated, and

Speaker 2 your long-standing views are to publicly oppose the Abraham Accords.

Speaker 33 Thank you, Senator. Let me be clear.
I support the Abraham Accord, and I think there's a golden opportunity to get everybody involved in that. And let me be clear:

Speaker 33 in February of 2022, as the mayor, the first thing I did is to pass a resolution to condemn anti-Semitism. It's documented.
That's what I perform in my official capacity.

Speaker 33 The other things, people are making assumptions based, you know, trying to judge my intention.

Speaker 2 I'm curious, would a statement like all Jews are monkeys, would that qualify as anti-Semitism?

Speaker 33 Well, that's

Speaker 33 somebody wrote it who's mentally challenged.

Speaker 2 Now, my question is, does the statement, all Jews are monkeys, does that qualify as anti-Semitism?

Speaker 33 I don't agree with it, sir.

Speaker 2 You're not answering my question.

Speaker 33 It's definitely anti-Semitism, but clicking on it doesn't mean I endorse it. It's

Speaker 2 clicking it. It means exactly that.
When you like something, it means you like it.

Speaker 33 No, Senator, every post since 2010,

Speaker 33 every comment, because I used to have like 10, 20 comments, I used to acknowledge it, to read it. But sometimes I will respond to opposite.

Speaker 33 And there was a response here that wasn't translated by the media that says you cannot say this in your country. It wasn't translated.
And I was, when I met with Senator.

Speaker 2 I'm not disagreeing with the statement that all Jews are monkeys.

Speaker 33 But let me be clear now. I disagree with that.

Speaker 2 But you didn't at the time.

Speaker 33 You are making assumptions, sir. No, I'm asking.

Speaker 2 I'm not making an assumption. That's the same thing.

Speaker 33 No, I did disagree at the time, and I still disagree.

Speaker 2 Did you disagree publicly? Did you say a word of disagreement or was your only public statement a like, which is the universal method of saying you like something and agree with it?

Speaker 33 Everybody who asked me, I told them it doesn't mean I endorse it. It's just acknowledging reading it.
But I am opposing that. And I make it clear now.

Speaker 34 I passed a resolution to condemn anti-Semitism in all forms or shapes and and just so you can see you know donald trump's position uh is

Speaker 34 donald trump's made up a genocide in south africa that doesn't exist and says that there's a genocide against white people and so his ambassador is also making up this idea that there's an embatt that there's a genocide against white people and that america should only take 700 7500 total refugees and they must be white only and so that if you're brown skin or black skin or whatever, unless you're a white Afrikaner from South Africa based on a made-up genocide that Donald Trump claims takes up in South Africa, you cannot be a refugee, is the program.

Speaker 34 But here's what Donald Trump said, just so you remember back in May to South Africa's president Rama Fosa. Here we play this clip right here.

Speaker 38 What does it take for you to be convinced that there's no white genocide in South Africa?

Speaker 38 Well, I can answer that for Chris.

Speaker 38 Our president will respond to you.

Speaker 38 Thank you, Mr. President.
It will take President Trump listening to the voices of South Africans, some of whom are his good friends, like those who are here. When we have talks between us

Speaker 38 around a quiet table, it will take President Trump to listen to them. I'm not going to be repeating what I've been saying.

Speaker 38 I would say if there was Afrikaner farmer genocide, I can bet you these three gentlemen would not be here, including my Minister of Agriculture. He would not be with me.

Speaker 38 So it'll take him, President Trump, listening to their stories, to their perspective. That is the answer to your question.
But, Mr. President, I must say we have, no, no, wait.

Speaker 38 We have thousands of stories talking about it.

Speaker 38 We have documentaries, we have news stories.

Speaker 38 Is Natalie here, somebody here to turn that?

Speaker 38 I could show you a couple of things, and I would, I just, I have to, it has to be responded to. So yeah, let me see the articles, please, if you would.
And turn, excuse me, turn the lights down.

Speaker 38 Turn the lights down and just put this on. It's right behind you.

Speaker 38 Johan.

Speaker 38 It's not in this parliament can do. With or without you, people are going to occupy land.
We require no permission from you, from the president, from no one.

Speaker 38 We don't care if we can do whatever we want to do. Who are you to tell us whether we can occupy land or not? We are going to occupy land, South African, occupying land.
That's who we are.

Speaker 34 I'm just bringing you the receipts right there about and you know and Donald Trump showed remember Donald Trump showed President Ramaphosa a bunch of like uh like fake articles um that were saying see this is where all of the white people are buried and it's like not actually like a burial ground I mean look the the truth is is that farmers there's high crime in South Africa that's fair um black farmers and white farmers have been killed but there's not there's not a genocide against white people in South Africa, but Trump makes it up.

Speaker 34 You saw that clip of Ramifosa, right?

Speaker 34 Well, there you have it, folks. Let me know what you think.
Just bringing you the receipts and facts. Hit subscribe.

Speaker 34 And again, shouldn't that be like, I don't know, at least mentioned in the news somewhere that that happened on Friday, that Trump's nominees don't take a position or seem to suggest that it should be okay.

Speaker 34 to prevent black people from voting. I mean, you heard him say it, right?

Speaker 34 We all heard what they said, right? okay just want to make sure we all heard that

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