Ep. 1795 - The Confusing Trump-Putin Meeting Explained In 5 Minutes

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President Trump met with Vladimir Putin in Alaska on Friday.

He's meeting with Zelensky and European leaders at the White House today.

The Ukraine war, which has been going on for 11 years, maybe you've forgotten, it's been going on forever,

it might finally end in a peace deal.

Except that the aforementioned Alaska summit raised more questions than answers.

President Trump warmly embraced Putin on the tarmac,

but then the summit did not end in the ceasefire that Trump went in demanding.

And the summit ended abruptly.

Everyone actually left before lunch.

But before they all left, the two leaders held a press conference in which they sounded as upbeat as they could be.

Putin and Trump once again praised each other, and Putin claimed that they'd reached an agreement before Trump said that they didn't.

And now

everyone is confused.

But the fact that everyone's confused.

should not be confusing, as it apparently is to the entire media and the political class.

Because everyone's scratching their heads.

What did the summit mean?

Why?

What is that?

What happened?

I don't even know what to think about it.

If you've paid any attention at all to the president over the past decade, you will notice that unlike most politicians, confusion is precisely the context in which Trump loves to negotiate.

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the much anticipated Trump-Putin meeting face-to-face on U.S.

soil.

Liberals are furious about this and Trump's consistent critics on the right.

They're inconsistent in their support of Trump, but they're consistent and just just always trying to take cheap jabs.

They're furious too.

Why?

Here are the reasons.

Here's what happened.

Here's the too long didn't read brief of the Alaska summit.

President Trump went in saying we need a ceasefire if there are going to be further negotiations.

He left without the ceasefire, but saying there are future negotiations.

Trump is not threatening any further sanctions on Russia.

There are already sanctions on Russia.

He's not threatening further sanctions on Russia.

And he seemed friendly to Putin.

That's on the one side.

That's what the libs are furious about.

Then there's something kind of strange, which is that Trump seems to be insisting on security guarantees for Ukraine, so that any deal to end the war in Ukraine will involve security guarantees like we have with NATO.

With NATO, if a NATO member is attacked, Article 5 of NATO says that all the other NATO countries are going to go in and defend that country as if it were an attack on their own countries.

So

we're going to have security guarantees in Ukraine, but Ukraine's not going to be in NATO, but we're going to act as though it is in NATO.

And Putin's kind of happy because he didn't insist on a ceire, but

what?

What is happening here?

Okay, first I want to take on the critics.

People saying that this is a terrible strategy.

Trump shouldn't have invited Putin to America, to Alaska, which is right next to Russia.

Trump shouldn't have warmly embraced him.

He shouldn't have literally rolled out the red carpet.

He shouldn't have spoken in a diplomatic way.

He shouldn't, he shouldn't, he shouldn't, he shouldn't.

Okay.

I said earlier, the war has been going on for 11 years.

We've been adversaries with Russia for 80 years at this point.

My first question to all of Trump's critics and whiners and complainers,

what is the evidence that the opposite strategy has worked?

What is the evidence?

Trump rolled out the red carpet.

Obama would never have done that.

McCain, not McCain, Biden never would have done that.

McCain also talked tough on Russia.

So-and-so would never have done that.

Okay.

Did the Obama strategy work?

We'll get to the Obama strategy in a second.

I don't think it worked.

Did the Biden strategy work?

I don't think so.

The definition of madness is pursuing the same thing again and again and again and expecting different results.

Even get down to the clarity versus confusion point.

There were clear goals for this meeting.

We need a ceasefire.

We need this.

We need that.

And we didn't get them.

And yet we are, Trump is kind of doubling back and we are getting more negotiations.

And Zelinsky's coming to the White House.

And

what?

Well, sure.

You got really clear red lines under Barack Obama.

Obama was the president of the red line.

Remember, he drew the red line and then his enemies crossed the red line and then he didn't do anything about it and he looked ridiculous and America looked weak.

But there was a lot of clarity in Obama's negotiations.

With Trump, it is confusing.

I'm a big Trump supporter, but it's very confusing.

People don't know what to make of this.

I think the takeaway is just that.

Trump loves to negotiate from confusion.

I'll give you a clear example of this.

Look at how Trump is negotiating all the trade deals.

Think of all the chaos that's ensued, the volatility to the bond markets, to the stock market generally.

Look at Liberation Day, he institutes these blanket tariffs on the entire world.

And what does he base the tariffs on?

Does he base the tariffs on really clear

economic factors that have a really clear relationship to the health of our trade relationship?

Things like, I don't know, a nation illegally subsidizing its steel industry like China did, or a nation stealing intellectual property like China does, or a nation devaluing its currency like China does, manipulating its currency.

No.

Trump tied the tariffs to trade deficits.

Maybe the most dubious economic indicator, because trade deficits can be bad.

Trade deficits can be neutral.

Trade deficits can be good.

It's totally unclear.

And for certain nations that just can't possibly produce things that we're going to buy in large quantities, the trade deficits don't really mean much of anything.

What's our trade deficit with Mauritius?

What's our trade deficit with these some tiny little countries?

Why does that matter?

Some people said Trump's a madman.

He's economically illiterate.

He has no idea what he's doing.

And yet, look at the conclusion of all those trade deals.

The bond market recovered just fine.

The stock market recovered just fine.

We didn't get the massive inflation that all the Panicans were predicting.

And we got really good trade deals.

We got a great trade deal with Europe, which was not even primarily about the trade.

It was mostly about the zillions of dollars of investment that they were promising to us, all in exchange for basically nothing.

Good trade deals with the United Kingdom, good trade deals all over the world, China, all over the world.

I think that those two facts are not disconnected.

I think the fact that Trump's negotiations were extremely confusing and he focused in on the most dubious and obscure economic marker, namely trade deficits, I think that was part of the point because it meant that his adherents thought he was a crazy person or he didn't know what he wanted and they certainly didn't know what he wanted and it just gave him the upper hand.

I think that's how he does this.

And you can say, well, I disagree with that strategy.

I don't like that strategy, but it's clearly his strategy.

He loves negotiating from confusion.

And so if he makes a bunch of demands and dangles out a bunch of promises, some of which conflict, and he's talking to Putin in one way, and he's talking to Zielinski in the other way, and he's talking to Europe in another way.

And then he just brings them all together.

I think Trump's idea is if I win them all over to my side, then

I'll be able to work it out in the end.

And not everybody's going to get what they want, but I'll be able to work something out.

I think that's clearly what's going on.

And for all of Trump's critics,

the consistent malcontents on the right, and especially for his critics on the left, I would just say, I don't look, he's been pursuing this kind of strategy for 10 years.

It's worked the vast majority of the time.

Almost all the time.

What's your evidence that it's not going to work now?

Is this another?

The walls are closing in.

The sky is falling.

Oh, no, this is it.

They've got him now.

It's Mueller time.

Give me a break.

Now, they did hold this press conference.

It was weird.

I mean, they ended the thing early.

They didn't go to lunch.

They still held this press conference.

There was a very, very telling moment at the press conference as to how things are going to go moving forward.

We'll get to that one second.

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After the bizarre meeting, it was an hour and a half meeting.

Everyone looked kind of confused and upset after the meeting, but here is the triumphant press conference between Putin and Trump.

Today, when President Trump is saying that if he was the president back then, there will be no war.

And I'm quite sure that it would indeed be so.

I can confirm that.

I love this line here.

This was kind of a throwaway line, but it was really significant.

Putin says, look,

Trump has claimed that had he been president, had Biden not been installed as president, we would never have invaded Ukraine.

He goes, I can confirm that.

The war would not have broken out had Trump remained president.

Now, some people are going to say, well, Putin's just flattering Trump.

He's just buttering him up because

he's got him just where he wants him.

And he's getting all these concessions from Trump and this is it.

Trump is so gullible to believe all this stuff.

That is not flattery.

What Putin just did to Trump is not flattery.

I once had a very insightful diplomat explain to me the difference between flattery and diplomacy.

Flattery is when you lie to someone to ingratiate yourself to that person and to butter them up.

Diplomacy is when you say true things, but only the good, positive sounding true things.

But there's a big, big difference.

Flattery is lies.

Diplomacy is the truth, even if it's often a partial truth.

What Putin just said is obviously true.

What's the evidence?

Putin invades a country on George Bush's watch, invades Georgia.

Then he invades a country on Obama's watch.

He invades Crimea.

Then he stops invading countries.

on Trump's watch.

Then Biden becomes president.

He goes further into Ukraine.

That's just what happened.

So when Putin says, yeah, I wouldn't have done it had Trump remained president,

there's good cause to believe that that's true.

There is another apparent protocol breach here, which is that Putin spoke first at the press conference.

Usually the American president would speak first on American soil at this conference.

But Putin spoke first.

Again,

Trump's critics are going to say, he gave Putin just what he wanted.

He gave him legitimacy on the national stage.

He gave him deference.

He gave him this.

He gave him that.

I say,

what's your evidence that the opposite strategy has worked?

Obama talked a real tough game on Russia, and Russia ran roughshot over Obama.

George Bush talked a tough game on Russia.

Eventually, initially, he was trying to be, he was trying to do the Trumpy diplomatic strategy.

Then he talked tougher on Russia.

Russia ran roughshot over Bush.

Russia ran roughshot.

Joe Biden talked the toughest game on Russia.

And Russia flicked their finger under their chin and they invaded a country under Biden.

And Biden was impotent.

So if you got one strategy, which is talk really tough and then look weak, then act in a weak way, and you got another strategy, which is talk nice, speak softly, but carry a big stick, it seems to me the Trump strategy is at least worth a shot.

The other ones have failed spectacularly.

Obviously, the Trump strategy is worth a shot.

It's just called a little bit of diplomacy, okay?

I think Trump's earned some grace on that.

Trump's enemies, they don't know what to make of it.

They can't really criticize any particular aspect of the conference because it's just unclear even what happened.

So, what they've honed in on, did you see this headline?

What they've honed in, this is a headline from NVR.

Government papers found in an Alaskan hotel reveal new details of the Trump Putin summit.

These idiots, these idiot Trump administration people, they left documents from the summit printed in a hotel.

Oh, what a security breach.

What a bunch of of nincum poops.

Oh, what a, this is an international incident, a geopolitical disaster.

Okay, what were the documents?

Let's see.

What new details of the Trump-Putin summit were revealed?

Well, we have the documents right here.

I have them.

They're screenshots, but I have them right here.

They are.

First one.

It's a list of Russia participants and U.S.

participants.

And who's on the Russian list?

The Minister of Defense, the Minister of Finance, and the Representative for Economic Cooperation.

Is that like a state secret?

The Minister of Defense came to the peace summit?

Is that like a big, wow, new details?

What about the U.S.

participants?

This is my favorite one.

U.S.

participants.

President Donald Trump.

Secretary of State Rubio.

Treasury Secretary Scott Besson.

Stop the presses.

Stop.

Hold on.

Two big stories here.

The president of the United States went to the U.S.

summit in Alaska and

they,

now we know that, because there is a document.

That doesn't seem like a big state secret to me.

What about the other document?

Michael, Michael, Michael.

Admit that there was another document left in the printer.

That's true.

It was the lunch menu.

This is, I hope I don't get in trouble with the FBI, CIA, NSA for revealing highly classified information.

The first course was going to be a green salad with champagne vinaigrette dressing.

Does that, we can blur this out in post-production.

If that's going to imperil United States interests around the world,

then we can blur out the fact that they were going to have sourdough bread with rosemary lemon butter and then filet mignon with, ooh, with brandy peppercorn sauce as spicy.

Or halibut?

And then for a dessert, a creme brulee.

Whoa.

whoa, that's big stuff.

Can we redact that menu?

They got nothing.

They have nothing.

They have nothing really to attack in the summit.

This, I think, in part is

also Trump's strategy.

You just leave things a little bit up in the air.

It's hard for your enemies, not just your enemies in Russia to pin you down, but your enemies in the U.S.

press.

I don't know who poses a greater threat to U.S.

interests.

Before we move on from Russia, though, one last bit.

Because there's a meme going around and all the libs were posting it.

It's a picture of Obama and Putin and Obama's looking real tough.

He's meeting Putin.

He's looking real tough.

And the tweet says,

just for those who may be a little confused, this is how an American president should treat Putin.

This, look at Obama, he looks all tough.

Trump, he shook Putin's hand and smiled, but Obama's looking all tough.

Allow me to transport you back in time, especially the liberals who have no memory.

Here's a piece from April 2016.

It's called The Obama Doctrine, written by Jeffrey Goldberg, Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, of The Atlantic, a liberal magazine.

Jeffrey Goldberg was the liberal journalist who was caught up in that signal chat fiasco.

Okay, look how thick, for those of you who are watching, You can see how thick the Obama.

This is probably the definitive piece on Barack Obama's geopolitical foreign policy doctrine.

Here is Jeffrey Goldberg quoting Obama.

Just a few little excerpts.

This piece is very, very long.

Quoting Obama.

Putin acted in Ukraine in response to a client state that was about to slip out of his grasp, and he improvised in a way to hang on to his control there.

Pause right there.

The liberals are criticizing Trump.

for engaging in realpolitik and recognizing that Russia has a traditional sphere of influence and that Ukraine was not the most independent, free, liberal, democratic state in the history of the world, but was rather a client of two great powers, one being the regional power of Russia, and then after the Maidan in 2014, of the United States.

That's the criticism.

You're not treating Ukraine like an independent country, the beacon of democracy and liberalism and independence.

Well, hold on.

Here's Obama.

Quoted by an ally of his, Jeffrey Goldberg, in the Atlantic.

Putin acted in Ukraine in response to a client client state that was about to slip out of his grasp, meaning Ukraine was a client state of Russia, and it was slipping out of his grasp

because of U.S.

involvement, because the CIA was on the ground after the Maidan revolution that we funded, because Russia was going to lose Ukraine to the United States.

Russia was much more powerful when Ukraine looked like an independent country, but was a kleptocracy that he could pull the strings on.

Okay.

Yep.

Russia has has this major interest in Ukraine.

And then Goldberg goes on, Obama's theory here is simple.

Ukraine is a core Russian interest, but not an American one.

So Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

People are attacking Trump because they're saying he's making America look weak.

He's weakening the American empire.

Trump is not, you know, just remember World War II when we won everything and the other side didn't concede anything.

We dominated the whole globe and every conflict is supposed to to be like that.

We're giving in.

We're recognizing that the Russians might have a say in countries around their own.

That's weakness.

That's a betrayal of democracy.

Well, Obama said the same exact thing.

Said the same thing, quoted by an ally of his in the Liberal magazine.

The fact that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military.

military domination by Russia, no matter what we do.

That's a fact.

That's what the fact is, according to Barack Obama.

Ukraine, non-NATO country, are going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia, no matter what we do.

That's what Trump is saying.

When Trump is sitting in the Oval Office, he says, you guys don't have the cards.

And the liberals all attack him.

How dare you?

You're betraying the great democracy that we could save Ukraine if we would only give him a little more money.

Obama said you can't.

Obama said the same thing Trump said.

I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

It's realistic.

But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we're willing to go to war for.

This is exactly the Trump point.

This is exactly the J.D.

Vance point.

This is exactly what the conservatives and the Republicans are saying right now that we're being pilloried by the liberal media for.

You forgot Jeffrey Goldberg.

This wasn't even that long ago.

This was nine years ago.

This was the doctrine.

What's the difference?

The liberals all cheered Obama for articulating the exact same views that Trump and Vance are articulating right now.

The only difference is that the Trump administration has actually had success advancing them.

That's the only difference.

They're speaking the same way.

The only difference is Obama couldn't actually put those views into effect.

He failed on foreign policy spectacularly.

And Trump has succeeded.

That's the only difference.

Remember, you guys did like, you know, you liked it.

Do you remember when you liked it?

Now, the Libs are, they're getting very confused.

You remember the Libs before the election, they were talking about how we need to defend the Constitution, Trump's threat to the Constitution, an existential threat to our democracy.

And

now they're changing their tune.

They're actually calling on a New York Times podcast

for the abolition of the U.S.

Senate and the packing of the U.S.

Supreme Court and a complete rewriting of the Constitution.

It's amazing.

Wow.

What changed?

between October and today.

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We must defend our sacred institutions, our democracy, our constitution.

That was the liberal line October 2024.

Now, we turn to Osita Noanivu, who has a new book, The Right of the People, Democracy, and the Case for a New American Founding, explaining what the left is thinking today.

I think it's time for us to consider, you know, at the extent that people are angry about Donald Trump.

Again, what are the elements of the system that allowed Donald Trump to rise as a political figure and that have sustained them?

I think they're...

to an ironic extent, some of the elements that the founders hoped would prevent somebody like Donald Trump from coming into power.

Able now, actually, something that's being acted upon in states across the country to move to a national popular vote by interstate compact without needing a constitutional amendment.

I mean, the amendment process itself is one of the things that needs amending very, very hard.

I've advocated in the past for adding new states to the Senate.

I think that there is an ideological imbalance now for all kinds of reasons.

Or Domico, D.C., the territories.

So, right.

So, an ideal Senate, or would there be a Senate at all?

Well, that's another question.

That's another question.

I mean, I think that's worth exploring, kind of radical idea, but it's an argument you have to make on the basis of getting people to understand not only that the system is not democratic, but like, what is the value of democracy actually to begin with?

I'll love it.

Libs, October 2024.

We have to defend our democracy.

Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

Libs after the democracy elects Trump.

I mean, what's the value of democracy anyway?

You know,

what's the value of that democracy?

I hate that democracy.

Libs, October 2024.

Our sacred Constitution is imperiled, and we need to defend that beautiful, precious piece of parchment.

Libs, Libs today.

Burn the thing to the ground.

Light that vellum on fire.

I hate the Constitution.

We need a new one.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Wow.

What changed?

Oh,

all the things you said that you were defending actually chose to keep you out of power and to put your enemy into power.

And so now all the things you previously said you wanted to defend, you want to destroy.

Even the Libs have had it out for the Supreme Court for a while.

They previously loved the Supreme Court when the Supreme Court was just inventing new supposed rights.

When the Supreme Court invents the right to kill babies, then the Supreme Court needs to be the ultimate

political institution in the country.

They need to dominate the legislature and the executive.

It's all about the court.

The court is the final say.

When the court is redefining marriage based on thin air, then the court is the final word and the president and the legislature can go stuff it.

But when the court starts to overrule Roe v.

Wade, all of a sudden the court needs to be packed.

When the court starts to question transgenderism or whatever, the court needs to be destroyed.

So what about the legislature?

The Libs, at least, love the legislature, right?

It's so democratic.

It's the most democratic part of the government.

We need a direct election of senators.

We need to empower the legislature.

We want the House and the Congress, the Senate rather, to dominate the other two branches,

except when the Republicans control both houses.

Now we need to abolish the Senate.

We need to seriously think very hard about this radical idea.

We need to think about abolishing the Senate.

You might notice that the way that the left thinks about politics is purely from ends.

The ends

are:

we need power.

We need power to do the things that we want to do.

And they make procedural arguments about means, and they make procedural arguments about instruments and institutions, but they change on a dime.

The Libs opinion of the Senate and the Supreme Court and the Electoral College and the Constitution and all of that will change on a dime based on whether or not those institutions give them power.

That's all it's about.

And look, there's something to be said for thinking about substantive goods in politics, but the arguments that the left is making right now are completely hypocritical, completely outside the scope of morality, tradition, jurisprudence, the law.

It's purely a matter of power.

That's it.

And the most offensive part of it to me, because look, I've had the left's number on this for a long time, and some people are seeing it now too.

The thing that's most offensive to me is guys, what's his name?

Osita Noanivu.

Osita Noanivu.

The most offensive part is that he has the temerity to dress and make his voice sound so reasonable when what he's saying is, forget about reason.

Forget about reason, forget about logic, forget about argumentation, forget about any guardrails that exist in any ordered political society.

We're going to burn this to the ground to get power.

But he has, you know, but look, I did my tie.

I did a foreign hand tie today, which looks a little bit casual.

It's kind of prep.

And look, I just think it's very important.

I mean, if you've studied, if you've read all the books, if you are a reasonable person like me, you need to burn our whole government system to the ground because we lost a single election, and that's not acceptable.

Pathetic.

Pathetic.

Very funny.

I mean, what's the value of democracy?

Now,

also speaking of Ross Douthett's show, that was a clip from the New York Times columnist Ross Douthett's show.

And there's another clip going viral.

Got to tell you, Ross Douthett's great.

He's one of my favorite commentators, pundits, but he works for the New York Times, which is awful.

New York Times, you got to give the devils their due.

They did one smart thing, which is let this guy have his show.

And they actually have adapted to the new media space pretty well.

He's getting the clicks because he's bringing on voices from the left who are articulate and representative of broader left-wing thinking and extremely radical.

He's showing them for what they are in their own words.

And nowhere is this clearer than on designer babies.

I've been hearing about someday we're going to have designer babies.

You're going to be able to order your baby and pick all of the attributes.

So he's going to be tall and good looking and really smart, really athletic and really this and really that.

And

you're going to be ordered.

But then what happens when you can't afford that?

To have the designer baby through this woman's company, Orchid, costs $2,500 per embryo, not per baby that is born, but per embryo.

And that's a big part of this too.

What about the people who can't afford that?

Now you're going to have the lower classes are going to have their like ugly, stupid babies, and the elite classes are going to have their beautiful,

genius,

chemically enhanced babies, and you're going to have a horrifying caste system

based on money.

Talk about subverting democracy and human solidarity.

So Dowthet has the founder of this company, Orchid, Nor Siddiqui, on the show.

And here's her pitch.

What Orchid can do is it gives parents the power to protect their children before pregnancy begins.

So what happens today in IVF centers is that, you know, they're operating essentially almost blind, right?

So this really, really critical decision about which embryo to transfer happens with

extremely limited information.

So what happens is that the embryo that looks best under the microscope kind of wins this morphology beauty contest is often the one that's selected.

Other times, there's a very limited genetic test that's offered that looks like a tiny fraction of genetic diseases that could affect a future baby.

So,

ORCID completely changes that.

We're the first company in the world that allows parents to actually sequence the entire genome of an embryo, so sequence 99%

of the bases in an embryo's genome, which allows parents to detect risks for some of the most serious conditions: heart defects, birth defects, pediatric cancers,

developmental disorders, things that are, you know, massively change the the trajectory of a child's life.

The vast majority of these diseases don't have cures.

So what's really exciting about this possibility is that

now parents have this ability to protect their children from an entire category of disease that

previously we had to just hope for the best and wish that

our children wouldn't be affected by them.

Sounds great, right?

You see that phrase.

She keeps coming back to protect our children.

It allows parents to protect their children before they're born.

You get protection.

We're offering protection for children.

How?

By

creating a bunch of people, creating a bunch of

embryos in a laboratory, and then slicing off little parts of them and checking their genome.

And then if there's any imperfection, ORCID will, ORCID doesn't.

actually do this directly, but ORCID makes the recommendation that is then carried out by other companies.

They'll kill them.

If there's any imperfection, he's going to be, he's going to have a limp.

His IQ is only going to be 97.

He's going to be, he's going to be a little short.

He's going to be a little fat.

He's going to be, there's something that's a little wrong with him.

Kill him.

You're going to go kill him.

We're just giving you the information and you're going to decide to go kill those children so that you can have the perfect baby who doesn't have any problems.

And who knows?

What if the baby accidentally comes out and

his hair is brown instead of blonde?

Do they get a refund?

Do they get a partial refund?

Because what does this cost?

This costs $2,500 per embryo to then decide, like you're Caesar in the Colosseum, thumbs up, thumbs down.

Do we kill the baby?

Do we let the baby live?

Costs $2,500

and

your kids and maybe your soul.

What does this,

what is this?

I'll tell you exactly what this is.

And it's really ironic.

This is the thing that the libs were just criticizing eight days ago.

This is eugenics.

This is one of the most horrifying forms of eugenics I've ever heard.

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My favorite comment on Friday is from Matthew Hubley, 7282, who says, You know, you've gone off the rails when Joe Rogan corrects your theology of the canon.

Yes, I like, you know, Joe Rogan, very, very intelligent guy, very inquisitive, thoughtful guy.

He's no Bible expert.

I don't think he would call himself a Bible expert, and yet he had that Republican Congress lady on, and she starts babbling about aliens in the Bible and how the evil Catholic Church and the Council of Rome in 382 kept the alien books out or whatever.

And he's just looking at her like she's a crazy person.

He says,

have you considered speaking to anyone intelligent about this?

That's almost his exact words.

Have you considered like learning anything about the thing that you're talking about?

No, I haven't.

I haven't.

I'm just going to talk about how they took the aliens out of the Bible.

Okay.

Here is the founder of Orchid,

the custom baby company, describing

the great moral defenses of her company.

IVF has also met with a massive amount of pitchforks and concern.

12 million people wouldn't exist today if IVF wasn't invented.

So I think people discount future people too much, right?

Like those 12 million people that wouldn't exist.

And then at the time, people were so against the idea of IVF.

So I think people, when thinking about this technology, really need to consider future people, right?

We got to consider future people, but notice what's implicit here.

We ignore present people.

Because she says there are 12 million people who wouldn't exist without IVF.

I think that number might be fair.

But then I looked up the Telegraph.

It says this.

Official statistics show that almost half of embryos embryos used to help a woman conceive through in vitro fertilization were thrown away during or after the process.

About half.

So she says, look, there are 12 million people who wouldn't exist without IVF.

But you could point to that and say, yeah, there are 12 million people who have been conceived and murdered because of IVF.

Basically the same number.

If the Telegraph statistic is true,

then yeah, for every baby where you say, he was born because of IVF.

See, yeah, someone else was murdered because of IVF.

This is just think about the future people.

But how about you think about the present people, lady?

Because

what is the end goal of this?

The end goal is we're going to eliminate suffering.

That's what she's saying.

We're going to eliminate all disease.

We're going to eliminate, we're going to have to kill a bunch of people to do it.

The actual cost is not $2,500 an embryo.

The actual cost is you have to have a system,

probably sponsored by the state.

She says it requires a kind of state funding to

avail this to poorer people, but you're going to have a system that kills most people who are considered, it kills most people, or at least half of people.

But under this, if you're going to pick the perfect embryo, it's going to kill the vast majority of people.

But then, as a consequence, you're going to eliminate suffering.

This is the clearest Faustian bargain I have ever heard offered,

at least since the Garden of Eden.

Hey,

don't just commit an immoral action to get a potential good.

Commit

basically the most immoral action you can possibly conceive of, namely killing most babies who are conceived, parents killing most babies of their own babies that are conceived, in order to eliminate suffering.

But what, go back to the Garden of Eden?

Give me a break.

And in the process, you divorce sex from procreation.

And she talks about this explicitly.

She says, look, sex is for fun.

Orchid is for procreation.

Orchid is for babies.

Sex is for fun, but this science is for babies.

So then you eliminate the connection between sex and procreation.

And what this is the fulfillment of the liberal people referring to their spouses as their partner.

You know how they do that?

Not just the gay ones, but the regular ones too.

Even though it's a very gay thing to do.

You say, oh, this is my partner, Sally.

This is my partner.

Like you have an accounting firm or, you know, you're lesbians or something.

This is my partner.

It's so clinical.

It's so cold.

It's so sterile.

Well, yes, now it is.

That is what it is.

Sex, if you have it at all, is going to be purely indulgent, just about your own pleasure.

And babies are going to be about

becoming gods, I guess.

Babies are going to be about eliminating suffering, making yourself into God, and killing most of them.

The libs were criticizing Sidney Sweeney for promoting eugenics through Blue Jeans eight days ago.

It was like eight days ago.

And now the liberals are openly cheering the most extreme form of actual eugenics practiced that we've seen since the 1930s.

Okay.

Speaking of mating rituals, a redhead girl has gone viral on the internet because guys did not want to date her.

This clip from some random show has everyone wondering, what does a girl have to do to get a date in 2025?

I'm Riley.

I'm 24.

I'm from Houston, Texas.

And honestly, I'm down for any good adventure.

I just got scuba dive certified and I'm planning to go to Australia this summer.

summer, so I'm super excited about that.

And then I just picked up skiing like two years ago, and I honestly love any themed party, like, those are like my favorite things to go to, my favorite things to plan.

And I'm looking for someone that wants to be my adventure buddy, and it's someone that I can trust in and is going to be there for me.

If any gentleman would like to be a snow rider, Mark, please step forward.

No one steps forward.

It's a poor girl.

No one, too.

The guys are kind of giggling.

No one wants.

No one's getting up.

There's no guy.

There's any lord.

Come on.

Hey, Riley, we're going to have you sit down.

All right.

See you, Riley.

Okay.

Now, I played the real clip.

The thing that was going around on the internet that was dishonest, I think, was it was just the picture of Riley and then the picture of the guys, and you couldn't tell there was a curtain in between them.

So it seemed like the guys were not picking her because they didn't find her attractive.

Perfectly cute girl, perfectly good-looking girl.

but it's not, and they couldn't see each other.

On top of that, this is not just a regular dating show.

This comes from a TV show called The Altar, and it's a very specific kind of dating show.

It's Mormon blind dates.

Hi, I'm Remington, and welcome to The Altar.

We've gathered together 10 single men and 10 single women all across Utah Valley.

They'll be coupling up and going on a journey of love, starting from love at first sight and ending at the altar.

We'll be eliminating couples over three rounds until we have one couple left who will win our date.

Now, this is important context because it tells you why poor Riley didn't get a date.

There are structural issues here.

Okay, the first one is it's called the secretary problem.

It's this problem of optimal stopping, which is like a math problem or probability problem, which is you don't,

you have 10 girls.

Only seven of them you're going to match up with.

You don't,

you think there's going to be a better one coming up next.

So that's just built into any kind of selection process like this.

On top of that, she was the first one to go.

So also likely that she would be picked over.

On top of that,

there are some lessons.

for men and women and Riley to learn from this.

Why?

Beyond all the structural issues, the Mormon thing, look, these people might get married.

There's all sort of built-in structural specific issues.

But beyond that,

why?

I think part of it is she was the first one up.

And guys, they don't want the girl to be too eager.

If the girl is too eager, it signals to guys

that other men aren't pursuing her.

And so you don't have the social proof that she's desirable.

And that's the first red flag.

Why?

She's too, oh, she,

women are to be pursued.

So

that was her first mistake.

The second mistake is speaking about what she wants from a relationship

in

really

friendly terms.

I actually am in a moment of candor.

I hate the phrase, you know, I married my best friend, but in a moment of candor, I'll admit, sweet little Elise and I are very,

we're buds too.

I'll also chase her around the house, but we're, but there, it's, there is an actual friendship in, within a good marriage.

And so that you want the friendship thing, but I have buddies.

I don't need a wife so I can go smoking cigars or out drinking or skiing or scuba diving or whatever.

I need a wife to be a wife.

I want a girlfriend to be a girlfriend.

And so the way she's talking about it, you know, you want her to get up there and say, you know, there's somebody that I'm longing to see, do, do, do, do, someone to watch over me.

That's what you want to hear from a woman.

And I want to bring this to the test.

And I want to do this for a guy.

And I want the guy to do this for me.

And I want there to be complementarity there, not indiscernibility.

That's the second thing.

Two, it's all just these adventures, these experiences.

Yeah, that, okay, life.

Scuba diving is fun.

Going on vacation.

So it's kind of like getting up there and she says, you know, I just really want somebody to go on vacation with.

Well, that's not what I care about in a wife or in a girlfriend.

I want the day today.

What does Tuesday look like?

That's what matters a lot more.

What are we building?

What are we actually doing?

So I think those were those were Riley's mistakes.

She's very, seems like a very sweet girl, very cute.

I'm sure she'll find a guy anytime soon.

But

for the women watching, trying to draw some gender lessons, that's a good lesson to learn.

Okay.

Before we go, there's a story I have to get to.

This is a much, much sadder story than the altar show.

It's gone viral because an illegal alien driving some kind of Mac truck made an illegal U-turn and killed three people in Florida.

It's not just any kind of illegal alien.

We think of an illegal alien being from Venezuela or something.

This is an illegal alien, seems like, from the subcontinent, Harginder Singh.

So already it's calling to mind, oh, the illegal alien problem is not just that we got to plug up the Rio Grande.

The entire globe is committing illegal immigration against us.

He entered the country illegally, reportedly, according to officials, in 2018.

So somewhat recently.

He obtained a commercial driver's license in California.

He's been charged with three counts of vehicular homicide.

Now, some people would say, well, 2018, Trump was president.

Yeah, Trump was president.

Trump was president.

He tried to close the border.

He very effectively did stop illegal immigration, but there were all those roadblocks, all those roadblocks being put up by the courts, being put up by the liberal legislators, all the Democrat congressmen going and crying and trying to gum up the works.

So I think it's completely disingenuous to say, well, if an illegal entered when a Republican was president, you know, it's on the Republican.

No, the Republicans have been trying to close this border with great determination, doing everything they can.

It's the Democrats who have stopped it, explicitly tried to stop it.

So the Democrats own illegal immigration.

And then when Democrats are officially in power, they welcome them with open arms.

They say, cross the border,

come on down.

Not only did he enter the country illegally, he got a commercial driver's license in California.

How's that?

Because the liberals insist on giving out regular driver's licenses.

And I don't know how he got a commercial driver's license.

The victims are confirmed to be a 37-year-old woman from Pampano Beach, a 30-year-old man from Florida City, and a 54-year-old man from Miami.

The big takeaway on this, the open borders crowd and the Beltway crowd and the policy want crowd, they're going to say, well, you know, look,

it's a very sad incident, but just look at the statistics.

Statistically, illegal aliens don't commit much more crime than the native population.

That's a little dubious and we can debate, but statistically,

they're not more likely to get into car accidents.

I don't know, whatever they're going to say.

Statistically, statistically.

But it's simply a fact.

If the Democrats had not cynically undermined our laws, passed by the representatives of the people that every sensible nation has had for all of history,

if the Democrats had not done that, this guy would not be in the country, and three real people would be alive today.

And three real families would not be grieving and have had their lives forever changed, and in some cases, maybe ruined.

And we don't know the identities other than a few details over the victims.

Did they have kids?

Then a bunch of kids would have their parents.

Real kids, real people who are our fellow citizens.

All these people had parents, and those parents would have their sons and daughters.

Real people.

Had real Democrats who are in office and who have been in office not been so selfish and exploitative and cynical, three real people and countless others downstream, kids and siblings and parents,

would be around today and have their family members today.

That's what illegal immigration is.

That's what it is.

There's a guy down the street.

There was a guy down the street.

He had a chicken shop.

He was a really nice guy in a chicken shop.

He'd been working on it for like 10 years.

They were just dismantling the shop the other day.

Why?

Because a year or so ago, year and a half ago, an illegal ran him over in his own parking lot.

killed him in his own parking lot.

If particular Democrats had not pushed this, that guy wouldn't be in the country.

That guy would be alive.

That chicken shop would be around.

That family would be doing.

That's illegal immigration.

That's what illegal immigration looks like.

And no amount of whitewashing and soft soap is going to get the blood off people's hands.

That is really what it looks like.

And

any time, any statistical argument, which is probably dubious anyway,

is really just around to obfuscate the particular victims of that.

These people,

these Democrats should be given no quarter for what they've done.

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