Racist, Sexy, or Just Good Jeans? Fiery DEBATE With Michael Knowles

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she's not a porn star she doesn't do only fans she's literally acting and she's making a bag doing products and sales

okay because she makes a bag

only fans girls models now

she's a different actress if you can't differentiate that that's very

you can if you're an actress and you take off your clothes and you do pornography because you're an actress you're still a prostitute

it's not pornography she's not a prostitute Apparently, you haven't done enough pornography.

Doing nude sex scenes showing your body is naked is pornography.

There is only one thing that people can talk about right now.

It's not the wars.

It's not the mass migration.

It's not the trade disputes.

It's Sidney Sweeney and her good genes.

Is the good genes commercial bad because it's Nazi?

Is it good?

Because it isn't woke.

Is it bad?

Because it's promiscuous and sultry?

What is it?

Men have strong opinions, so I've brought on a bunch of women to debate this topic.

I'm joined by Melanie Mack, Emily Saves America, Savannah Stone, and Daily Wire Zone Reagan Conrad.

Ladies, thank you for being here.

Wonderful to see all of you again.

For those who have not yet seen the most effective commercial of the last 50 years, here is Sidney Sweeney selling American Apparel jeans.

Sidney Sweeney has her canes.

A 30-second commercial dominating international news for an entire week.

The libs don't like the commercial at all.

Here is just a little smattering of what people are seeing on TV, the internet, everywhere in between.

And the tagline is, Sidney Sweeney has great genes.

Now in one ad, the blonde-haired blue-eyed actress talks about genes as in DNA being passed down from her parents.

The play on words is being compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones.

Genes are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color.

My genes are bully.

Hey, American Eagle, now do black and brown women.

Because black and brown women also have great genes that they inherit from their parents.

Did you know that?

Oh, and don't think this was an accident.

This was very intentional, and it would not have mattered one bit if a person of color was in the room because this message was not intended for us.

Oh, and it landed for its intended market.

Ladies, there are two issues here.

One,

is this a good commercial?

Is it good?

Is it bad?

Should conservatives like it?

Should we go buy the jeans?

But before that, is it Nazi?

Emily.

No, it's not Nazi.

Yes, it's a good commercial.

It's actually one of the only good mainstream commercials I've seen in quite a long time.

You watch it and you're like, okay, I like this.

She looks good.

Maybe I'll go look at the store.

But it's funny because this brand is very mainstream.

If you look at smaller brands, they do great marketing like this all the time.

Look,

I've been raised in the last five years on Jaguar ads.

Okay, so I haven't seen a bubbly, cute girl in, I don't, 10 years probably at this point.

I've seen androgynous weirdos trying to sell me every product under the sun.

So yes, I admit there's something refreshing about it.

Melanie?

I think that it's obviously not a racist ad.

That was a big reach, but I still don't support it.

I don't support propping Sidney Sweeney as some American conservative icon, especially when the longer version of the ad shows her dressing and putting the jeans on and her top is open while she has no bra or anything underneath.

So it's just, it's liberal, not from the 90s and 2000s.

It's definitely not conservative or anything to be celebrated.

It's lustful.

That's the intent.

Sidney Sweeney in general, we know that she unapologetically promotes lustful content, pornographic type content.

She did this Sasquatch ad selling her bathwater with bars of soap with holes in it so that men can use them as sex toys.

Let's not pretend like this is some conservative victory that Sydney Sweeney is being propped up in this commercial.

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I was defending, I agree with basically everything you've said, and that's been my take on it too.

But I've been defending Sidney Sweeney as, yeah, she's, you know, she shows a little cleavage, but

what, what with the soap?

What did she do with soap?

If that was it, I would be with you.

I don't care if, like, there's a girl that's, you know, wears bikini at the beach or who's just pretty or shows a little cleavage, but that's not the case with Sidney Sweeney.

In her history with movies, she's done pornographic type scenes, which is what's the difference between that and an OnlyFans model?

That she gets paid more than most of them.

I mean, it's still promoting pornography.

There's been advertisements for more movies that she's doing.

Oh, there's a threesome lesbian scene with Sidney Sweeney.

And then you've got people who conservative influencers.

Oh, we're so back, guys.

Yeah, we win.

It's just like, clearly, the Sasquatch ad, she sold a limited quantity of bath soaps with her bath water.

And there was a hole in the center of them because it was meant for degenerate men to use.

those bars of soap as a sex toy that had her bath water in it it's degenerate it's perverted hey is the commercial in itself in an isolated way bad No, it could have been any other girl, but this isn't a conservative win propping Sidney Sweeney in this way.

You're destroying my view of Sidney Sweeney.

I hadn't heard of the self thing and then a threesome.

What?

Supposedly there's a movie coming out where she has a lesbian threesome in it.

I'm not exactly sure all the details.

I just remember headlines just all over the place on social media about that about a year ago or something.

But she definitely has done pornographic scenes in movies and stuff before.

This is somebody who uses her sexuality to market herself.

That's her thing.

And it's like, that's not something that conservatives should be, that's not somebody conservatives should be celebrating.

This isn't just some girl who's pretty and cute and just shows a little cleavage.

This is actually somebody who really pivots into that.

Emily, you're rolling your eyes and sighing heavily.

I take it you disagree.

I just, this is like the, with takes like these, I'm just like, I'm, I assume assume conservatives are just obsessed with killing their own movement and losing the next election.

And it's interesting to just watch.

First of all, it's actually not that deep.

It's literally a commercial.

You, it's like every time we have a little bit of a win, it's people take it to the extreme.

And then it's like, oh, this is why people hate us and we can't have anything.

She's an actress.

She's not a porn star.

She doesn't do OnlyFans.

She's literally acting and she's making a bag doing products and sales.

Like, it's really okay because she makes a bag.

So, OnlyFans Girls models now.

What's a different actress?

If you can't differentiate that, that's very

you can.

If you're an actress and you take off your clothes and you do pornography because you're an actress, you're still a prostitute.

It's not pornography.

She's not a prostitute.

Apparently, you're not afraid of the creator.

Having pornography.

Doing sex scenes,

doing nude sex scenes, showing your body is naked is pornography.

Okay, I disagree.

Having sex on camera is pornography.

People don't know how movie industry works with those exact scenes.

So hold on.

Now, listen, I haven't seen the scenes and I don't intend to go see the scenes, but if she's, you know, going fully nude and she's doing sex scenes or something, doesn't Melanie kind of have a point?

Isn't that like a little silly porn adjacent, isn't it?

And then porn.

And if you can't separate those things, that's a bigger issue.

What's the difference?

If someone says, if someone says I'm a Hollywood actor,

hold on.

If somebody says I'm a Hollywood actor or actress, and I'm not a porn person, and I'm just going to go do movies, but I'm going to do nude sex scenes that don't leave anything to the imagination, then what's the distinction between that and going to some CD setup in Chatsworth and filming an internet video?

What's the distinction?

Yeah.

What's the distinction?

Money, contracts, a room full of people, making sure you're safe.

The fact that most of the time it's film.

It's like crazy.

You guys are a daily wire.

You know how film works.

Porn has contracts and money and rooms full of people.

You just said, well, now it's your own debate.

You said a seedy room.

She's not a seedy room.

She's like an A-list actress now.

This is just like a conservative talking about CD happens and casting couches

in Hollywood.

That's totally Hollywood's totally wholesome.

That's right.

If you don't think she's a little bit above that,

you think that is.

okay hold on hold on listen i we're getting too we're being too harsh on sydney before we bring in savannah and reagan we might come back to being harsh on sydney you're really melanie you're actually really coloring my view i was more pro-sydney before you started making these arguments savannah your take

i mean i don't think an ad for jeans is setting us back to 1930s germany and i also think that you know The radical left is so addicted to outrage, being outraged by absolutely everything.

Listen, just from some personal experience, I grew up modeling.

I don't do it anymore because it's so woke.

But back in 2020, during the Biden administration, I was told by my agent that I would never book the big jobs because they were so focused on diversity and they didn't want a skinny brunette with blonde, uh, with blue eyes.

And so now I think it's a win for the conservative movement.

I mean, I personally want to see attractive people when I'm online shopping because whenever I went on Victoria's Secret and it was all obese, unfortunate looking people, that does not make me want to buy anything.

That does not make me want to buy clothes because I can't look at a woman who's over 200 pounds and say, wow, that's going to look good on me as a petite woman.

So, yeah, I think that she's very sexual, but I also think that she's the next Marilyn Monroe.

And the conservative movement is not going to win if we're constantly saying, oh, women can't be hot.

They can't be attractive.

I think the soap ad was a little far because she said something like, little boys come in my bathtub or something weird like that.

What?

How did I miss this?

gross.

Well, when you've got a moral foundation and you've, and you, you, it's not about winning people over.

Being right, you're right, whether the whole world disagrees with you or not.

We can't be promoting lust.

That doesn't mean that it's okay for, that's not okay for women to be beautiful and attractive or that we, they have to be wearing burqas, but to say, oh, we're not going to win if we don't accept women owning their sexuality.

I mean, these are old liberal talking points.

It's not a win for conservatism if we're just pushing old liberal talking points.

Here's somebody who clearly pivots on the sexual stuff.

I just looked up, this is where it was from last year where she and Anna DeArmas agree on doing a threesome in a movie together.

That was what was going on in the articles about this lesbian threesome and all this stuff.

Here's somebody who clearly pushes degenerate.

sinful ideologies.

And hey, if you're not a Christian and you're just a conservative without those Christian values, of course this stuff's going to to be celebrated because it's all a matter of what am I attracted to?

That's what I like.

But conservatism, in my opinion, should be rooted in biblical values because you have nothing.

You're basically a liberal if you don't have your foundation of biblical values.

Reagan?

It's a great question.

You know, I think that there's this line of, is it a win because it's not woke?

You know, because I think the second that something is not woke, we're excited, we're happy.

It's like, finally, we're not just being force-fed, non-binary they-thems, advertising genes, because obviously that's not effective.

Obviously, we want to see beautiful women, beautiful men modeling things, right?

So, that's kind of, I'm glad in that sense, it's a it's a win, but then we have to look at it through a different lens.

So, I kind of switched.

I first watched it and I was like, okay, you know, finally, she's hot.

It's a cool car, great.

And then I saw the other ads.

I think that one's kind of the, you know, the most tame out of all of them.

I think.

This is a family show, Reagan.

I try to keep it real wholesome.

So, you're right.

The others get a little racier.

They get a little racier.

And I think that that's an important thing to note because if we're just watching the Shelby Mustang, it's hot, cool, whatever.

But the other ones, you know, when it focuses down on her chest and then she goes, excuse me, eyes appear, that's, it's obviously there's more innuendo there.

There's more sexual, you know, connotation.

And I think that's important to note when we're talking about this.

Is that a win for the conservative movement?

Yes, we don't want to be prudes.

We don't want to, you know, say, oh, well, we can't.

I get that there's that balance we have to find, but there is that sense of, especially, you know, coming from a Christian, is that something that I think is a win for that movement?

And I would say not a huge win.

It's like we've gotten back to normal.

That's a victory, but we don't want to go into that degeneracy.

That obviously it's, you know, Sydney's not being crazy degenerate, but it's that line that we have to find and be very careful of.

You know, I was just actually watching literally this morning, Urban Decay just had a new advertisement.

I don't know if you guys have seen this yet, but it's a girl.

I don't even know who Urban McKay is.

Urban Decay is a makeup brand.

Okay.

And so they just launched.

I don't know about the soap with the hole.

I don't know about the threesome movie.

I don't know anything, apparently.

Michael, it's for the best that you don't haven't seen this, but this is a girl.

She's an OF star.

So her advertisement, sexual innuendo, same thing.

Literally, same cut of a shirt same amount of cleavage showing if we're getting specific because that's what we're talking about here and she's talking to camera about you know buy the makeup and don't be censored and there's there's this obviously innuendo again happening and i watched that and i was like okay if i'm gonna celebrate the city sweeney element of this and i've watched the exact same thing the difference is that this girl is an of star but what i'm visually looking at is very similar And that made me feel even more of like, okay, this isn't a win.

Cause if we're, again, if we're talking about conservatives, the new another woke thing would be celebrating OF stars because that's what Urban Decay is doing.

And they're like, see, look at this.

And then you have the conservatives celebrating that.

So there's this weird balance we have to find.

But again, woke repackaged, rebranded.

We have to be careful of that.

And I think that's.

Yeah, this is, look, I agree that it's better to have like beautiful women selling in cool cars, selling products than some androgynous weirdo on Mars selling me a jaguar.

But,

okay, that means we've rewound the clock to 1998.

1998 wasn't that great.

I mean, it was a perfectly fine year, but

is there, Emily, I I guess this question is really for you.

Are we as conservatives just trying to get back to the 90s or is there something deeper that we're trying to conserve and restore?

I think we're just trying to conserve and restore just sanity, just being normal.

Who's sanity?

You don't need to go back.

What does the sanity look like?

You don't need to go back.

No, normal American girls cannot relate to a, like Savannah said, a 200-pound mixed race, one-armed woman.

Okay, When I'm buying makeup, when I'm buying skincare, when I'm buying clothing, I want them to look like someone I would either like to look like or maybe like me.

It's just common sense.

Like I'd rather, like, we all agree we'd rather see Sidney Sweeney than all these other people we've seen for years that have been shoved down our throat because it's not relatable.

And I also think it's positive to have girls looking up to girls that are like actually beautiful and also feminine.

The women that have been pushed on us have been extremely masculine.

They haven't been feminine.

So I think it's a win-win.

I think we should just promote good-looking people.

Like I said, look, if I have to watch movies and TV shows and there's going to be sex scenes, I want to see attractive people and I want to see straight couples.

I think that's normal and what most of America wants.

And that's what we're sort of going back to.

But when conservatives are having meltdowns in the same way liberals are having meltdowns about this, then it kind of just pushes us back a little bit further.

I think she's a sexual looking girl.

She's got big tits.

She's blessed.

Go let her do that.

You don't, we don't know her in real life.

She's probably just a normal girl.

She's not representing conservative media.

Okay.

Just like let a win be a win.

Melanie, are you are you having a breakdown like a liberal?

I wouldn't say that.

I think that Christians absolutely need to have standards, but this is just a matter of secular people in the conservative movement.

They're going to disagree with.

Christians in the conservative movement.

But with Christian values, I mean, we absolutely should be standing against this stuff.

The over-sexualization is part of the slippery slope.

That's why we got the Troons.

That's why we got the gay stuff.

That's Troon is like transgender.

I use a lot of lingo, but that's why, that's why we get all of this stuff because it is a slippery slope.

And it's just like, yeah, you want to say this is a win.

Well, Satan parays himself as an angel of light.

This is Satan doesn't care if you're a liberal or you're a Republican, but what he does care is if you're celebrating degeneracy, if you're celebrating perversion.

And so, yeah, oh, things got so extreme at one point that now we're going to go back and we're going to accept this perversion.

And that's okay because it's not as extreme as this perversion while you're still accepting something from Satan.

Now, again, I don't think that all of those ads with Sidney Sweeney were egregious.

The one with her with a car, very tame, not a huge deal, but they did get more sexual.

And then again, I just don't like to see conservatives hail Sidney Sweeney as some sort of icon just because liberals don't like her.

We do have to have standards.

Yeah, I do.

So the point you keep coming back to is, you know, a conservatism is either going to be christian and go all the way and not be inciting lust and not appealing to the prayer and interest and not just being this kind of like bar stool boomer conservatism of like you know eating potato chips and and uh howling at girls or or it's going to be liberalism and we're always going to be just trailing the liberals five years behind

Yep, that's exactly what it is.

Conservatism will always just be liberals from five or 10 years ago, unless we go to our Christian roots, right?

We don't have to take it any further than that.

Keep it at your Christian foundation.

If conservatism is not Christian, then it's not conservatism anymore.

It's just liberalism.

You're pretty trad.

What do you make of Melanie's argument?

I hate that word.

Well, I mean, I'm a Christian.

And I think the two can exist at both times, right?

Like, maybe she's super over-sexualized.

I mean, like Emily said, Yeah, I mean, in every single movie, like her tits are out.

But at the same time, I'm really glad to see an attractive blonde-haired, blue-eyed woman back on ads because we didn't have that for so long.

For so long, we had to deal with black queens and black is king and, you know, white people suck and go sit in your white privilege and cry about it.

And I'm just glad that we have attractive people back on ads.

So that's why it's a win in my book, regardless of if she's being oversexualized.

Look, people are always going to oversexualize certain celebrities.

There's always going to be celebrities that take that to their advantage and they make a ton of ton of money from it, no matter how much Christians try to stand up for it.

So, as Christians, yeah, we can say, look, part of the ad was a little bit oversexualized, the camera down to her chest, and then her saying, eyes up here.

Okay, maybe that was too much.

But from a macro perspective, I am just glad that Woke is dead and that we're seeing attractive people back in media and in ads.

Yeah, but isn't this the point?

So I like that Sidney Sweeney is quite beautiful.

I like that they're putting her in ads rather than like these weirdo kind of mutilated eunuchs or something.

That's great.

She's appealing to sex in a normal way.

So that's better than appealing to sex in an unnatural way.

Okay, I'm into that.

But as conservatives,

shouldn't we be promoting modesty or no?

Or

Emily, is that, or am I just preaching like a church lady and I'm going to lose the culture if we don't show a little skin?

No, I'm one of, no, I'm one of the few Republicans that I'm like, you guys don't have to label me as a conservative, but I'm not religious, which I think a lot more people relate to me than they relate to the people that are religious because I can see nuance, but I'm like, yeah, like we are, people are so sexualized now.

We live in such a sexual society.

The odds of us being able to ring that back, unfortunately, are very unlikely.

I also think you can just be feminine and beautiful and at the same time sexy.

And that's not lust.

that's not sin i that is not the way i see it at all i think it's awful because when when i was liberal when people shamed me and used terminology like that it pushed me more into being a liberal than just being like hey actually just be like beautiful be yourself like you can wear sexy things without being sexual and like i don't see her as an overly sexual girl How can you wear sexy things without being sexy?

You can wear elegant things.

You can wear beautiful things.

But can you wear, you know, you go, you're going out in a mini skirt with like a crop top on.

Isn't that

extremely low cut things?

And because the way I look and also my weight and the way I carry myself, it's not extremely sexual.

Whereas if you were to have big fake boobs pushed up with crazy hair and makeup, it looks different.

I mean, that's also style and a bunch of different things that go along with that.

But it's like, I don't think having to like suppress this.

makes any sense.

It's better if we go along with it.

And also like when you use Christianity for every single argument, a lot of the country is not Christian.

So they're immediately going to not listen to what you have to say.

That's why I come at it from a very different perspective.

We're still a majority Christian country, though,

of different flavors of Christianity.

And listen, even if there were only one Christian in the country, I mean, if you think it's the truth, the truth is the truth regardless, even if you stand alone.

I just wonder, look,

as the only man on this panel, let me mansplain a little bit what's going on.

I see an ad with, you know, wacky, gender-bending people, and I find that repulsive.

That's nauseating to me.

So I am relieved when I see an ad with a beautiful person.

And the fact that in this case, Sidney Sweeney is like shown a little skin or whatever is attractive.

And so I get it.

It'll probably sell more jeans.

But then for me, this creates another problem.

Not that I'm nauseated like I was the first time, but now I find myself looking at the Sidney Sweeney ad, you know, maybe the less wholesome one.

And maybe I do a little double take or a triple take.

All of a sudden, I got to have custody of my eyes and say, hey, I don't want to be be thinking about sydney sweeney right now i'm a married man i'm trying to be virtuous i don't want to sin in my thoughts and my words and what i do or fail to do so what about that do we we want to be getting the young guys or even the elderly 35 year old guys like me all uh all lusty all the time well i'm glad you can control yourself with all these sexual visuals

it's not easy

learn to control themselves because that is what separates us from animals.

And I think that's a lot more important of people controlling themselves and being decent humans than this girl who has naturally great fantastic but shouldn't women control themselves too and dress in a modest and respectable way women should control themselves they shouldn't be trying to lead people to lust melany

yeah women should control themselves it's not just oh i'm gonna be act like a prostitute and it's all the men's fault if they you know it's men can over sexualize anything, even if there is modesty.

And in that case, it is their fault.

But it's the woman's fault if she she is purposefully acting and dressing and in a way to elicit lust.

And let's not pretend like that isn't the case with Sidney Sweeney and what she does and what she's paid for.

So yeah, that's a problem.

And we should, and I, I'm, it's not even my concern about winning the culture war.

My concern is standing for the truth, even if I'm the only person standing for the truth.

So it doesn't matter if, oh, this is going to push more people away because they aren't.

Christians.

Well, my goal as a Christian is to share the word of God with the world.

The people who accept it are going to.

The people who don't won't.

But I'm going to stand for the truth and I'm going to stand for what's important, regardless of how many people will agree with me.

That's great.

Respect that.

As someone who is a commentator in the right-wing space, my goal is to win the culture war because that's how we win elections.

And my goal is always going to be to win.

elections.

That way I don't have to listen to how Dylan Mulvaney is woman of the year for four years.

No, but isn't I think Melanie's point is that it would be a pure victory.

I I think Melanie's point is you can win.

If you think that the way you win the culture war is by behaving like a liberal from the 90s or 2000s and saying, look, it's a new day and we can't go back to how conservatives used to be.

So we're going to win by promoting lusty sexuality and fornication and secularism and all the rest.

Well, at that point, have you really won?

Haven't you just won a pyric victory for the people who were supposed to be your opponents?

No, that's not what we're promoting.

We're promoting a hot, blonde, white woman.

The commercial is sexual.

It crushed.

They're what, at 20% in stocks?

And yeah, that's a good start.

Well, there you go.

She probably made them, what, a couple hundred million, maybe?

Yeah.

In one day, market cap went up 200 million bucks.

Okay, so all the liberals had to do was to get really extreme, and then they made conservatives become liberals from 20 years ago.

So what's next?

Next, are they going to just push bestiality and we're going to see furries in every ad?

And so now conservatives are going to embrace Dylan Mulvaney because at least it's a human.

Is that what we're going to do?

Reagan, is that what's going to happen?

You know, I just, I think we already know that sex sells.

So there's nothing revolutionary here in the fact that this is, you know, they earned $300 million in a day.

I think, like, of course, of course they did.

Now the question is, again, what is the conservative's job?

Are we conserving what was 10, 15, frankly, 20, 30 years ago?

Or are we trying to also, in addition to conserving what is good and right, also then try to be a beacon for something better, right?

Create a better future.

So would I want my daughters consuming that?

Is that as if I'm trying to think like a conservative, I'm trying to think of what is that future going to look like?

And frankly, I don't think that is an inherent win.

And we have to find that balance, like Emily was saying, of, you know, we don't want to be the prudes.

We don't want to be the ones that just lose culture completely because we're unwilling to, you know, bend and grow.

And, but at the same time, there are the biblical truths.

There are truths that I believe in that kind of over, not kind of, they do oversee that.

And finding that balance.

I think that's the, especially as a conservative Christian, that's that balance we have to find.

But I go back to that ad, and again, I go back then to the OF star that did the exact, very similar ad days before.

And I look at those two.

there's something there's other things besides again just winning woke that we have to talk about and we we know that another issue within wokeism is of and is promiscuity and that they're they're pushing they're force feeding us that as well in addition to the non-binary so we win the nine bin bon non-binaries we have to still win the of and get that gone and so i think there's two conversations that can be had This is my question, I get.

I think I've become a prude over time.

I don't know.

You know, prudence is the chief political virtue.

So maybe it's not so bad to be a prude.

But

the question is, what are we aiming at?

Like your point, Emily, you say, look, I want to win elections and I'm with you.

The winners go to Washington, the losers go home.

We got to win.

You don't win by losing.

Politics often leads culture.

Culture can be downstream of politics.

I'm all for that.

For what?

For what?

What are we doing?

What are we after?

What are we trying to win?

I think we're trying to win everything across the board.

I think we're trying to have

what's it look like when we win?

I mean, it will like the past four years have been insane.

I mean, when it comes to Sydney Sweeney, like I have talked about and I'm not scared to talk about it, the like anti-white hate against the country.

The way like, if you're a blonde, white, beautiful woman, apparently all of us come from money and we've never suffered through anything and we deserve to be taken out of everything.

Movies, commercials, we're not allowed to have anyone represent us and we're just awful people and we deserve bad things to happen to us.

I mean, I want all of this gone.

That's why I'm like, if we can see ads like this and see beautiful white women in movies and models who actually should have jobs modeling, like not everything's supposed to be inclusive.

And I think we can get back to more of a normal place.

And I think that's better for young girls to grow up.

I'd rather my daughter looking at Sidney Sweeney in a commercial than freaking Dylan Mulvaney.

Sorry.

I just want things to be

normal.

Both white, in fairness.

But Dylan Mulvaney is a great family.

And also, and also just to jump in there, I don't think those aren't the only two options, though, you know, too.

I think that there's

not the only two options.

But you're presenting them as two options.

And what I'm trying to say is that there can also be elegance and that we can make that cool again if we're using the phrases.

I mean, we absolutely can.

And I think that's a good thing.

Emily's an elegance doubter.

Bring in Sharia law.

It's fine.

Absolutely not.

Completely different things.

Completely different.

I'm not calling for a

leftist.

A tasteful abaya is not the worst thing.

It's all leftist hyperbole.

It's like, oh, agree with me that, oh, we're bringing Sharia law.

It's like, oh, let's go to the extremes when that's not what we're saying at all.

Because you're talking about being sexual.

It's like, well, a man could think you with your chest and shoulders out as sexual.

So as a good Christian, why don't you cover yourself then?

Like, why do you have tattoos as a Christian?

Like, all these things.

Like, there's so much room for nuance, but you don't leave any.

I'm the one in the space leaving that.

Well, this isn't

a nuanced relating.

This Sidney Sweeney discussion isn't a nuanced thing.

This is somebody who actually sells sex toy soaps.

If it's just like, okay, you have a problem with my tattoos.

You have a problem with my dress.

Okay, that's a discussion I'm willing to have with you.

But this is a more nuanced situation than somebody advertising sex soaps.

Yeah.

And also, again, I'm just saying to believe that we can't do even better than Sidney Sweeney with her tits out is that's not true for society.

And I'm saying that we can do better than that too in the future.

Like we, we can get there.

And that doesn't mean Sharia Law by any means.

It means not that at all, but we can still do that without conservatives

are not clicking these days.

That's okay.

Savannah, you're the most covered up up person on this panel.

I don't see even a square inch of your shoulders.

Do you think that these calls for modesty are going to herald Sharia law?

I mean, listen, I think modesty is really subjective in today's day and age.

Somebody could look at me wearing a tank top just because my shoulders are out and say, well, that's not modest.

But then I could ask my husband, hey, do you think this is modest enough?

And he could say, yeah, I mean, all that's out is your shoulders.

But I mean, people comment all the time.

If I'm wearing a tank top, they say that I'm not covered up enough as a Christian So I think it's a heart posture when it comes to modesty if I'm purposely dressing and Thinking thinking in my head Okay, all of these men are gonna lust after me when I go out and they're all gonna think that my tits look good and whatever Then that would be a problem because that's a heart posture But people are going to sexualize everything you could be someone who just posts your a video of you talking with your face on Instagram.

And if you're attractive, you're an attractive woman, you're going to get sexualized.

Or an attractive man.

That's just a religion.

Yeah, but listen, I think.

Why are you laughing?

Why are you not laughing?

I think there's too much outrage on both sides.

I mean,

we have such bigger issues to talk about than a Sydney Sweeney ad.

All I'm saying is that I'm glad that white, beautiful women are back in ads because I personally dealt with it.

I have so many friends who are models who lost jobs, who pretty much lost their career from 2020 to 2024 because they were not getting booked for things because they had blonde hair, blue eyes, and they were white and petite.

So look, it's a win in that way.

The outrage on both sides, we just,

we're addicted to outrage.

It's a dopamine hit.

And it's just a dumb thing to get mad about, in my opinion.

Listen,

I'm going to synthesize all of these points.

I think the Sidney Sweeney ad is a step in the right direction.

I welcome Sidney Sweeney to become a great card-carrying member of the American right, especially if she sticks with the first ad and not maybe not with the later ads, you know, because modesty is all right.

And there are a lot of reasons to criticize Muslims, but the tasteful headscarves are not one of them.

Ladies, thank you so much for coming on.

Wonderful to see all of you again.

Very interesting.

This is Melanie and Reagan, really, versus Emily and Savannah.

And then me, I don't know where, where am I?

I don't know.

I don't know what I apparently don't know anything about pop culture.

So I'll stick with my Costco soap and see all of you later.

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