Ep. 1807 - Missing Minute Of Epstein Cell Footage REVEALED

remember when the government said all the cameras malfunctioned outside of Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell so that we could never know, could never see what supposedly went on the night that he killed himself?

Then, then the government released 11 hours of the supposedly original footage, which it had previously said didn't exist.

But then...

A cursor was discovered on the screen proving that the footage was not original, a fact also proven by the disappearance of a full minute of footage just before midnight, which the government then told us did not exist because the cameras always skip a minute before midnight for some reason.

Well, if you remember all that, you are ready for the latest update to the story, which is that the cameras didn't actually lose a minute at midnight.

The minute of footage exists and it's been released, and the media are reporting that it doesn't show anything, except it does.

We'll get into it.

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You'll remember the missing minute.

I know it's hard to track

every aspect of the Epstein story,

but.

There was this 11 hours of footage that was released after we were told there was no footage.

11 hours released, and they said, see, here it is, nothing really happens.

Except right before midnight, you're looking at the footage of the cells, and then

the timer changes.

It goes up one minute, the frame changes, and you say, well, hold on, what happened in that minute?

So we now have footage of what occurred during that missing minute.

Now, hold on a sec.

Wait, I don't know if I, if you're only listening to this, I don't.

That is, it was a woman in a blue pants suit with a kind of odd odd haircut.

I think that was fake.

I don't think that was actually Hillary walking into it.

But

do we have the more credible missing minute?

We do.

Okay.

All right.

Take it away.

So it's same shot.

Hold on.

I'm seeing something moving a little bit in the background.

Maybe it could just be

the pixels on the screen.

Oh, no.

It looks like someone is moving.

In the background, you're looking downstairs to a lower floor.

59 minutes and 18 seconds, 19 seconds.

So

you're almost halfway into this missing minute.

The missing minute that we're told is just a quirk of the recording devices.

Then we were told, oh, no, well, never mind.

There is the footage, but nothing really happens.

Is that something on the screen?

Is that, I don't know, it's like a bug or something?

40 seconds.

Hold on.

Wait, who's that?

Hey, there's just a guy.

There's just a guy walking in the background.

And because of the positive, is that another guy?

Yeah, we're 56,

58, 59.

There's another person in the background.

Two people.

Is it two people in the background?

Some people are saying, oh, well, there are people in the background, but they couldn't have made it to Jeffrey Epson and Stell because they didn't go up or down the stairs.

That's, that's not clear.

Just from the camera angle, you can't really tell if they went up or down the stairs.

So you're telling me,

you're telling me that the government story is

Epstein killed himself, totally obvious, case closed.

Even though he was on Suicide Watch, even though he was the most,

I don't know, the most interesting prisoner in the American justice system,

the guards weren't paying attention and the cameras turned off, and his bunkmate was moved out of the cell, and there's no footage, except there is footage, except for that one minute, except there is footage for that one minute, which was clearly edited out quite intentionally.

And that's the only minute in which anything happens on camera.

Seriously?

Seriously?

That's

oh man.

Even if the guy or guys in the background of that footage didn't do anything, didn't kill Epstein, didn't smuggle him out of there, didn't do whatever anyone thinks they could have done,

this means that the government...

By the way, this is not just or even primarily about the Trump administration.

This Epstein story goes back 20 years at this point.

We've been getting crazy, conflicting details the whole time.

But at the very least, what that means is the government didn't give us the true story, whether through deception or through incompetence.

The story's changed like a hundred times at this point.

So every detail that drops just looks worse and worse.

As I've said from the beginning, I never thought we were going to get the whole story on Epstein because

it could be one of two things.

Either.

It's all just a bunch of weird coincidences.

And

the official story that Epstein was not mobbed up with intelligence, that Epstein was not blackmailing people, that

that's true.

and everything else is a coincidence, and he's just a sex freak and he killed himself.

And if that's the case, we've already heard everything we're going to hear about Epstein, or

there's a little more to the story, or he is what a lot of people think he is,

super spy connected to all these various intel agencies, in which case.

You're also never going to get any more of the story.

So that's, I know, I hate to be the bearer of realism.

I don't really hate it, but I know it's disappointing to some people.

But that's just how it works.

Governments are not totally transparent.

There are clandestine activities, and

you're not going to get the JFK files.

I remember they dropped the 80,000 pages of the JFK files.

So, why aren't you talking about this?

I said, I'm not going to read one page of this.

You read one page.

You tell me if there's anything interesting here.

They've been putting this off for decades.

They violated executive orders.

They've violated laws passed by Congress.

You think you're going to get the full story?

No chance.

In any case, the government story changes yet again.

Every new drip of information, more questions than answers.

So

on the outside of the government, on the lawn actually of some government buildings, you have the Epstein victims.

All the girls and the women who were trafficked by Epstein, worked for Epstein.

They held a press conference yesterday.

Saying that if the government won't release the list of names of Epstein's clients, they will.

Transparency is justice.

Release the files and the secrecy and stand with us in declaring that no one, no billionaires, no politicians, not world leaders, is above the law.

And let me announce now:

several of us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating our own list of names.

We know the names.

Many of us were abused by them.

Now, together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we all know.

We're regularly in the Epstein world,

and it will be done by survivors and for survivors.

No one else is involved.

Stay tuned for more details on that.

Because history is washing, and so are the women who will come after us.

Thank you.

Okay, hold on.

So, you know, like this whole time, I've said we're not getting the whole Epstein story.

This is ridiculous.

I don't believe the official narrative.

So you don't need to convince me that there's more to the story.

But now

they're kind of losing me on the other side.

Because this is all we ever get, even from the victims, even from the associates of Epstein, is, you know, we've got the names.

Oh, you know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to release the names.

Oh, you know, I'd like to hold a press conference right now to announce that I will be giving a speech at which I promise at some point in the future to release the names.

Why don't you just release the names?

You're going to do it.

You're going to announce that you're going to do it.

Just do it.

It's been 20 years.

It's been 20 years.

This story broke in 2005.

It then hit the major national news in 2015.

It's now 2025.

And we're still doing this.

Why wouldn't they release the names?

Well, a few reasons.

Could be

that they don't want to be accused of defamation.

Because again, some of these people have not been accused of crimes.

Even the word she used there, she said, we know the names.

We know the people who are regularly in Epstein World.

So hold on, that's different than we know the men who abused us.

We know the men who groomed us underage.

That's not what she said.

She said, We know the men who are regularly in Epstein World.

What?

Like his lawyer, like his cook, like his delivery man?

Hold on,

you can't just go around insinuating that all these people are pedophiles if they're not, if you don't have any evidence for that.

Why else might they not have named the names already?

Have they received settlements, for instance?

Have they taken money not to name names?

Have they could that be a reason?

And then this gets to the next point:

this is feeling a little me-tooy.

This is feeling a little bit

because there are actually two groups of people that could be plausibly called Epstein victims.

And they're very, very different groups of people.

The reason any of us, normal people, care about the Epstein story is because the girls were underage,

right?

That's because Epstein trafficked in underage girls.

That's what makes the story particularly lurid and horrifying.

That's who I'm referring to when I call them victims.

There's another group, though.

And I am beginning to fear that that other group is

in this for a different kind of motive and is a very different kind of group and is representing a very different political movement.

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The Department of Justice says there were 1,000 victims of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse.

But as I just mentioned, there are two very different groups.

There were the underage girls, girls who were underage.

Some of the girls were 16.

At least one of the girls was as young as 14.

That's bad.

That's what has people's attention and ire.

According to the Department of Justice,

Of the 1,000 victims of Epstein, 36 of them were underage.

That's the highest number I can find

from a credible source or a somewhat credible source.

DOJ is not the most credible, I guess, but

in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

That means that 1,000 or more

of the so-called Jeffrey Epstein victims were not underage.

They were young women.

Could have been in their 20s.

I'm not saying they were young.

They weren't in their 40s.

I don't think that was Epstein's type exactly.

But they also weren't

17 or 16, and they certainly weren't five.

They were young women.

So in that case, they were prostitutes who were hired to do a job.

They were not groomed as children.

They were not underage.

Their prostitution is still illegal, at least in some parts of this country.

But

that's very different to me.

And I also think it's offensive to the underage victims of Jeffrey Epstein's grooming to describe themselves as victims.

I mean, I guess we're all victims when we engage in sin in any way, but

if you're 25 years old and you're taking money from a rich guy to have sex with him, you're a hooker.

And that's bad.

You should not be a hooker.

You should go do something else, but you're not necessarily a victim.

You're certainly not a victim in the way that a 16-year-old girl would be.

And in that case, it's that for apparently the vast majority of these women, like the vast, vast majority of these women, they're just hookers threatening to reveal the names of their Johns, which again is like, fine, okay, you know, that's, that's justice, I guess, but it's a very, very different thing

than what is presented as the Epstein story.

I want justice for the kids, for the underage people.

I want justice as a geopolitical matter to figure out

which intelligence agencies, if any, were involved in this, which states, if any, were involved in it.

That's what I'm interested in.

But if it's a bunch of

hookers who did sex work at the age of 25 and then came to regret it, and now they want revenge and are claiming to be total victims, having no agency and the whole thing.

To me, that just is a replay of the Me Too era.

And I don't really want anything to do with that.

I don't really see what...

political motive or grand cause of justice is served by that.

What the media want, the reason they're making a big show out of this, is because they want to try to nail Trump with the Epstein story.

And I've said from the beginning, if

there were anything, if there were any smoking gun, if Trump were seriously implicated in any way in the Epstein saga, they would have released that years ago.

They tried to prosecute the guy.

They did prosecute the guy four times.

They justified murdering the guy.

They very nearly did murder the guy in Butler, Pennsylvania.

They raided his house.

They tried to kick him off the ballot.

I promise you, if they had something seriously incriminating, it would have come out years ago.

But they're not going to give up trying.

NBC News interviewed some of the group of the alleged Epstein victims, and

they just came right out and asked the question.

They said, okay, here's our purpose.

We're going to take our mask off.

Did any of you ever see Trump do anything inappropriate?

Please say so on camera.

I do have to ask, and I know, and it's just something that I think we're compelled to at this moment, with the attention on President Trump, with these questions around a pardon, did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein?

No,

no, or former President Clinton?

No.

Okay, so there you have it at the beginning.

So, okay, I've been trying to beat around the bush, and none of you were taking the bait.

So, so it's one of those women wearing a Rolex watch.

That's interesting.

I just noticed that, just looking at the camera.

Hmm, interesting.

But she says, I'm going to stop beating around the bush.

Please, did anyone see them?

Did any of you see Trump doing anything inappropriate?

Not even anything illegal.

Anything inappropriate, untoward, an unseemly glance, anything, anything?

They come out right away.

They say, no.

And then you get the follow-up for cover.

Okay.

And what about Bill Clinton?

No.

Okay.

So, all right.

We're trying to get Trump.

Had they said, yes, we saw Trump doing something inappropriate, there would have been no Bill Clinton follow-up.

Since they didn't, okay, we're going to, let's at least get some defense for the Democrats here.

And this is what brings me to the politics of it all, because

this whole circus came about because of a bipartisan effort from the Republican Thomas Massey and the Democrat RoCanna in Congress to release the files.

Now, I mentioned the Clinton thing because 2005,

this story comes out.

2015,

it becomes a big, big national news story.

Why was it a big, big national news story in 2015 and 2016?

Because at that time, Epstein was seen to be politically damaging, particularly to Bill Clinton, who flew on his jet many times, which at that time was being referred to as the Lolita Express, who met with Clinton many times, lots of photographs with Clinton.

At that time, even though Epstein had been a member of Mar-a-Lago and had been friends with Donald Trump too, it was seen as being a Clinton scandal, not,

as the Democrats and Trump's enemies in the Republican Party are trying to make it right now, a Republican scandal.

Massey, however, is teaming up with Rocana

to

make the president release the files or make the DOJ release the files or make the courts release the files or whatever.

And in principle, there's nothing wrong with that.

But I got to think about that timeline a little bit.

And I got to look at the optics.

And I have to look.

Having known a lot of politicians, having spent a lot of time around Congress, I have to ask if there

might be a more immediate political consequence, a more immediate political reason for this kind of stunt beyond just the principle of justice for the victims of this crime that came to light 20 years ago.

Because I don't want to sound cynical, but in my experience, members of Congress, elected politicians generally,

are

usually motivated by more immediate political concerns over

abstract principles of justice.

Just my observation, okay?

Thomas Massey is standing here in front of all sorts of signs.

These are people who were picked to stand behind Massey at this press conference.

They're not just in the crowd.

They're behind.

They're meant to be on camera.

And what do you see?

You see one sign that says neuter the grand old pedophile.

G-O-P.

So that's an anti-Republican.

Never mind that Bill Clinton was heavily implicated in the Epstein story.

Never mind that Bill Gates, big Democrat donor and supporter, was implicated in the Epstein story.

Never mind that all these libs, all these demon,

the grand old pedophile, then unlock the Epstein files.

It's a picture of Trump and Epstein, not Clinton and Epstein, not the rest.

Another one, the same sign, clearly printed by the same people.

He is on the list.

Who's he referred to?

Probably refers to Trump.

Then the other sign is another Trump.

So far, all the signs are about Trump.

This is a scandal that much more heavily implicates Democrats than Republicans.

And yet, all the signs that Thomas Massey, the supposed Republican, is standing in front of, it's all anti-Republican.

Pedophile POTUS.

Oh my goodness.

Another Grand Old Pedophile.

It's all

the signs are all either neutral or anti-Republican.

And this is what the Republican congressman is choosing to stand in front of.

What's that about?

It gets crazier.

The most obnoxious, left-wing, attention-grabbing member of Congress, Jasmine Crockett, is now going on MSNBC, the liberal cable channel, to talk about her strange new respect

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Then we'll get to what I really think this all comes down to.

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Thomas Massey, who's supposed to be the most right-wing member of Congress, he's really very libertarian, which is, and sometimes we conflate libertarianism with conservatism.

That's a tale that's been going on for about 70 years now.

But he is.

He's got really strong, at least libertarian bona fides.

Maybe not traditional conservative, though he's got some of that too.

I mean, he's supposed to be, by multiple surveys, the most right-wing member of Congress.

So then why is the left-wing, obnoxious darling du jour, Jasmine Crockett, going on MSNBC of all places to talk about how much she loves Thomas Massey?

I will have to tell you that I respect Thomas Massey.

Clearly, we don't agree on a lot.

But where we can find agreement, we do.

And the reason that I respect him is because he always shows you who he is.

He is what I would consider to be a traditional conservative.

He believes in transparency.

He doesn't believe in whatever Trump tells him to believe.

He believes in things like fiscal conservatism.

Oh my goodness, here we go.

This is it.

I fear, look, I don't have anything personally against Massey.

I don't like some of his recent activities, but I have respect for the guy.

First, he's not a traditional conservative.

He's a libertarian, and that's different.

And you would always hear this.

Well, here's this is my fear for Thomas Massey.

I think he's currently on a David French, Justin Amash arc.

For those of you who haven't followed conservative politics all that closely, these are the guys who they started out being regular card-carrying members of the American right, and then they don't like Trump, usually based on libertarian or libertarian-ish principles, at least that's what they tout.

And then they start to cozy up to the left.

And they start to make alliances with left-wing publications in the cases of the journalists or Democrat politicians in the case of people like Massey with Rokana and apparently Jasmine Crockett.

And then they start to become the Democrats' favorite Republican.

They say, I really respect him.

You know, David French and I might not agree on a lot, but I really, he's a true conservative.

He's a true principled conservative.

And the principles that the Democrats always love are that they're the kind of Republicans who, when push comes to shove, will help the Democrats.

That's always the principle.

The principle is rolling over, not supporting your own team and going over and supporting the other team.

And practically speaking, that's what Massey is doing.

That's what David French was doing starting 10 years ago.

Now it's a farce to call him a Republican or conservative in any way.

Same thing with Justin Amash was a libertarian in the House, really didn't like Trump, became the Democrats' favorite Republican.

I fear it's going to happen to Massey.

And I hope it doesn't.

I hope it doesn't because, you know, Massey could be a strong player.

He could be a real tough guy, a real asset to our side.

But

when

you're saying one thing you know when you speak in these high-minded abstract principles but the practical effects of your political action always redound to the benefit of your supposed opponents

i have to question whether or not you're the most principled member of our side i have to question when i judge the pudding by the tasting of the pudding okay and Right now, Jasmine Crockett and Ro Khanna and all the Democrats, they really like the way the pudding tastes, the Massey pudding.

And I don't,

I don't know, because you look at the story, 2005, it breaks 2015, it becomes a national news story.

Thomas Massey doesn't say anything really at all about it.

Then I misspoke last night on Twitter because Advanced Twitter search malfunctioned on me.

Advanced Twitter search said that Massey had literally never even once mentioned Epstein on the platform.

before this year.

And that's not true.

There were a handful, less than a handful of stray comments about Epstein in very recent years.

But

it really started this year.

As far as I can tell, it's 2005 it breaks, 2015 it becomes a national news story.

In March of this year, Trump threatens to primary Thomas Massey over a spending bill, totally divorced from Epstein.

And then four months later in July, Massey discovers Epstein.

And whatever stray comments he had made offhandedly in the past, he decides to start just pummeling the Epstein story, making it his personal crusade.

Seems to me this might be a little bit more about a political grudge than any principled stance on a scandal that broke 20 years ago.

Even You Want to Be Generous hit the big news 10 years ago, and you basically said nothing about it

until Trump threatened to primary you.

I don't know.

I don't buy it, man.

I don't buy it.

So I hope we get back to

the team.

Look, I want more of the Epstein story.

You know, I've covered the Epstein story a ton, much more than Thomas Massey has.

And so I'd like to know much more of the story.

But let's not be siding with Democrats.

Let's not become Jasmine Crockett's favorite Republican, okay, please.

Now, speaking of matters of the heart and alliances, Corey Booker is getting married.

You know, Corey Booker, Democrat, Senator Spartacus, he's run for president.

He's the greatest hero who's ever walked the earth, at least in his own mind.

Well, Corey Booker is, I think, 56 or something,

and he's now just getting married for the first time.

And

people have always, they've always wondered a little bit.

He dated, when he ran for president last time, he was dating Rosario Dawson, who I think is a lesbian or some half a lesbian.

And no one, he only started dating her when he started running for president.

And previously, he had not really had any public girlfriends or none of note.

And

anyway, people have always wondered why Corey Booker didn't get married, why he appeared to be a confirmed bachelor.

And now he's getting married

in his mid to late 50s to a woman who I think is in her mid-40s to late 40s.

And people are, well, they're coming to one conclusion at least.

Corey Booker is obviously running for president.

in 2028.

No question, take it to the bank, he's running for president.

This is the clearest sign that there could be that he's running for president.

He released a series of photographs that look like they were generated on AI of him wearing a lei or she's wearing a lei and they're at the beach or some at a park.

But anyway, they're really going a long way to demonstrate how happy they are to be getting engaged.

His mouth is really, really wide open in all the pictures.

He's an odd guy.

He's an extreme, exceedingly strange guy.

However,

do you know my take on this?

Everyone's making fun of Corey Booker.

Do you know my take on this?

Good for him.

Good for him.

I mean, good for Corey.

I don't know the motives of why he's getting married.

It is a little strange to wait that long to get married for the first time, but I don't know.

We live in a strange culture.

And I'm not going to speculate publicly on why he waited to get married.

And whatever the reason,

it's good to get married.

It's good.

Okay, when people speculate and say, well, maybe he's not the marrying type or whatever, I think, okay,

look, if

I had

abnormal desires and orientations and identities, as so many seem to these days, I guess what I would do being Catholic is I would be celibate.

I guess that's, and that would be like a good thing to do.

But I don't know.

People have all sorts of weird reasons for doing what they do.

And

better late than never.

If Corey Booker wants to get married, even if it is just cynical to run for president, I don't know, marriage is good.

I think marriage is in itself a good thing.

And I'm not a big lib who says that every action you take has to be based on the purity of your emotional state it's a very modern emotivist liberal notion i think yeah it's getting married is good

for what whatever reason corey booker's doing it for now

good on him congratulations he's doing we don't need to

People always, especially the left or even the right, they always love to speculate about, you know, the interior state and the desires.

I don't know.

He's doing the, he's doing a good thing.

It's good.

Congratulations.

Congratulations, Corey Booker.

I don't care how odd your engagement photos look.

I don't care that you think you're Spartacus.

That's a nice thing.

They're just good and to be celebrated.

Okay.

Now,

turning to more important international affairs.

President Trump might revoke Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship.

President Trump tweets out.

or posts on truth socially.

He says, as previously mentioned, we are giving serious thought to taking away Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship.

She is not a great American, and in my opinion, is incapable of being so.

And then,

then, this was just his personal truth social account.

Then, the White House, the official White House Twitter account, posts that

comment along with Rosie O'Donnell, and then her face looking really wide, kind of like the JD meme face, you know, like the just a big, flat, wide.

I love it so much.

I love the whole whole thing.

I suspect they will not, in fact, revoke Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship.

I even kind of get a kick out of Rosie O'Donnell.

But this, you want to talk about feuds that go back 20 years, big fights.

The Trump-Rosie fight has been one of the funniest WWE style reality TV sagas, dramas, soap operas of the past quarter century.

And this is really funny.

This is really funny that the White House is trolling this random left-wing celebrity who has been giving and taking and actually started this fight 20 years ago.

It's funny.

You can have fun.

It's okay to have fun in politics.

It's okay.

You're going to be so many lips.

You can't, you can't say that.

And then they're going to be all these like

boring squishes, these tedious people.

They say, well, actually, you know, look, I'm a principled Republican and this is not, this is an abusive.

Shut up.

It's funny.

It's so, so funny.

So, just enjoy it.

Enjoy.

You know, guys, someday we're going to be dead, okay?

And you won't get to have fun anymore.

Well, I hope we'll have, I hope we'll be in front of the Beatific Vision, but you won't get to have like this kind of frivolous little earthly.

It's okay.

Have a laugh.

Eat, drink, and be merry.

Vanity, vanity.

All is vanity

in this self-serious political world.

Now,

speaking of media,

Barry Weiss is about to take over CBS News.

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My favorite comment yesterday.

From Para014, the 11 exclamation marks was a total boss move.

Oh, yeah, yesterday, you know, Trump when he blew up that Venezuelan drug boat, and then he had 11 exclamation points after, you know, thank you for your attention to this matter or something like that.

It was one exclamation per kill.

The exclamation points are like fighter pilot kill marks.

That hadn't occurred to me.

Now that you say it, it must have been intentional.

Because even for Trump, he'll use one or two or three exclamation points frequently.

11 was weird.

And

even with Trump, a lot of the messaging that comes out is meticulous.

He is still the president.

It is still the White House.

And things are done very intentionally.

That must have been what it was.

11 exclamation points, one for each kill among the narco-terrorists.

Yeah, that's right.

Hope they pay attention to that matter if they don't want to get exploded from a drone.

Barry Weiss.

Do you know Barry Weiss?

Barry Weiss was an editor at the New York Times.

She was the opinion page editor.

She then launched the free press,

and she has become a darling of the right.

But she's not on the right.

She's, I think this is rather public.

I think she's a lesbian.

She's kind of libertarian-ish.

She ain't a bow tie wearing trad, that's for sure.

And she launched this site.

It's very popular.

I've been on the platform.

It's cool.

Certain writers at that platform, I just absolutely adore.

Actually, some of my favorite writers today work for the free press.

She's done a really good job, Barry Weiss.

She's not a conservative, but she's done a really good job.

Well, Paramount is reportedly about to buy her company for $200 million.

They're going to buy her blog and podcasting company for $200 million.

And Paramount, which owns CBS, is going to give her a senior editorial role at CBS News.

This woman

might effectively be running CBS News.

And this is really great.

Not because what you're going to hear is, oh, this is cool because Barry Weiss is a conservative.

And wow, she's not a conservative.

Let's be realistic here, folks.

It's the theme of this show is being realistic, not like both extremes of every issue.

Let's go from Epstein all the way down to this one.

This is a sign of the times.

Barry Weiss is not conservative, but she does represent a shift rightward.

Barry Weiss is a good barometer.

We can go a

barimeter, I guess we can call her,

because

she is

acceptable among the elite in media, in politics, even intellectually.

She started a university, that University of Austin, for free speech.

You know, it wasn't a conservative university, it was based on classical liberal principles.

So she's a good barometer in that

five years ago, ten years ago,

there were the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks.

That was the range of acceptable discourse.

And now the range of acceptable discourse goes from the Bolsheviks to the conservatives.

And so, as that's broadened out, that means the center has shifted, center has shifted rightward, such that a classical liberal, you know, a libertarian,

a non-woke liberal is really what Barry Weiss is.

A non-woke liberal is the new establishment center.

Paramount is not going to buy the Daily Wire.

Okay, it's not going to happen.

Maybe it'd be cool if they did.

And certain voices are more centrist at DW than others.

You know, some of us want to return to the year 1220, but

Paramount's not going to buy the Daily Wire.

We're too right-wing.

We're too conservative.

I think we're pretty normy.

I think we, I think the Daily Wire represents the actual center right of the American people,

but the elite establishment political spectrum is much further to the left than where the people are.

That's obvious enough from the election because Trump won the popular vote.

So Barry Weiss is a barometer of

where the elite are, where the establishment is.

She's

the new establishment center, which is great.

That is a major shift rightward.

We need to keep pushing.

I want to move the establishment center further to the right, but that's a good start.

Now, speaking of elite, centrist, establishment, signs of the times, Malcolm Gladwell.

Do you know Malcolm Gladwell?

Very popular writer.

He is distressingly, annoyingly centrist in his politics.

He is one of these beloved pop writers of the upper middle class, bourgeois.

What are those books?

Blink, Outliers.

They're just the kind of books you read.

They're on your coffee table.

Oh, yeah.

And that's been true for 20 years.

Malcolm Gladwell, just like Barry Weiss, another barometer of where the elite acceptable opinion is moving.

He just came out and opposed dudes in women's sports.

He opposed the transgender movement, at least in sports.

If we did a replay of that exact panel, at the Sloan Conference this coming March, it runs in exactly the opposite direction.

And it would be, I suspect, near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no place in

the female category.

I don't think there's any question.

I just think it was a strange.

I mean, I felt, I mean, I was,

the reason I'm ashamed of my performance at that panel is because

I share your position 100%,

and I was count.

The idea of saying anything on this issue, I was

in a, I believe in retrospect, in a dishonest way.

I was objective in a dishonest way.

Okay.

Hey, at least he gets credit for taking the mayoculp.

He says, I regret what I said.

I came out in support of trans sports, of men in the women's sports category, and I did it because I was a coward.

And I was cowed by them, by the bullies in the elite institutions into endorsing this.

And it was wrong and it was stupid and I shouldn't have done it.

Love that.

Love that.

Again, I suspect I am much to the right of Malcolm Gladwell.

I don't really consider him a conservative.

He's kind of conservative.

He's a centrist.

Barry Weiss.

She's not a conservative.

She's not, but I like her.

It's great.

But

I really like what they are representing now.

The fact some of us during that trans madness were not cowed by those four.

Some of us actually publicly called for transgenderism to be eradicated from public life entirely, and we were attacked by the elite institutions, slandered by them, defamed by them.

But the people were on our side, and it showed that there was a huge chasm between where the center of elite discourse was and where the center of actual public discourse was.

And now

the elite have moved closer to where the people are.

It's still not identical.

I don't think Barry Weiss and Malcolm Gladwell represent your median American voter, but it's a lot closer.

No one,

no one supports the trans issue anymore, at least when it comes to sports.

Democrats got wrecked on that.

They're ditching it.

They're running away from it.

You know, it's sorry to say, and Malcolm Gladwell is kind of open about this, it seems, but if the cultural winds moved yet again and transgenderism were hot again, probably all of these people would be endorsing it.

If woke got hot again,

that is now the center of our political order is non-woke liberalism.

Now I'm not woke and I'm also not a liberal.

So we got to move, we got to keep moving further.

Liberalism, I think, leads inexorably to wokeism and to other perversions.

But

it's a start.

That's where we're at right now.

That's also how I judge Trump and how he's doing in his administration.

Because the country hasn't moved all the way back over.

Even the elite, certainly not the elite discourse, hasn't moved all the way back.

But

if our center is non-woke liberalism and Trump is actively moving things to the right with the mass deportations and self-deportations by blowing up Venezuelan drug runners, by resetting American foreign policy, if he's doing that, good on him, man.

Now,

one other sign of the times, I'll just mention,

we don't really have too much time to get into it, but it's a sign of perhaps trouble ahead.

Gold hit $3,500.

Gold hit $3,500 per ounce.

To put that into perspective,

gold,

how long ago?

Not that long ago, gold was under $1,000.

Now I remember gold hit $1,500.

Everyone started freaking out.

Then gold hit 2,000.

Everyone starts selling their gold.

And you know me, I'm a little bit of a gold buck.

You know, I'm a big fan of our sponsor, Birch Gold.

And I, but whatever, I'm just holding my gold.

And then it goes up to $2,500.

Then it goes up to $3,000.

Now it's hit an all-time high of $3,500,

which is very good news for conservative podcast audiences.

I suspect conservative podcast audiences are celebrating.

We look like rich Uncle Pennybags from the Monopoly game right now, but

that also could be a sign of major economic turmoil to come.

We'll get to that tomorrow.

We don't have time right now.

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