Tough Questions And Real Drinks: YES or NO | Isabel Brown

Can you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle with your own metabolism?

If you're losing the battle, what is he even insinuating?

If you're fat enough, if you're a fatty.

I'm not fat.

My metabolism is great.

Thank you, Ben Davies, you jerk, you fat jerk.

Welcome to Yes or No, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom best.

My guest today is my friend and colleague, Isabel Brown.

How do we play?

I will ask Isabel a yes or no question.

She will select her answer away from my prying eyes.

Then, I will guess how she answered.

If I guess correctly, I get a point.

If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point.

No matter what, I will end up drinking.

Then, it's Isabel's turn.

Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand.

Whoever has the most points at the end wins.

The stakes could be higher.

Let's get started.

Isabel, so marvelous to see you guys.

Thank you.

I'm so happy to be in Nashville.

You've been on my various shows a number of times, but this is the first time that you've been on a show since becoming my colleague officially.

Indeed.

So you're at the Daily Wire now.

I am.

We are very hard at work.

How did we get you?

Oh my gosh, it's been a long, long journey, but I'm so happy to be here.

It was totally a God thing that I got a call literally two days before having my baby girl uh about if i would ever be interested in doing something at the daily wire and that evolved between some back and forths to taking on my podcast the isabel brown show and turning it into a whole new level of awesome wow that's fabulous that's great it is fantastic man i don't know i've got to have more kids because i've only got i've only had three so far and you know drew actually says this

i asked drew when i was about to have my first kid i was like i don't know it's crazy can i afford a kid he goes kids are little money bags.

Yeah.

He says they're little money bags.

You have them, and then you just, you new opportunities emerge.

And that's what apparently happened here.

It is very, very true.

I never expected it.

Do you know the rules to this game?

I do.

And in fact, I've been watching your old episodes.

So I'm hopeful that I have trained sufficiently to beat you potentially today.

I'm glad to hear that because you're a lady.

You go first.

All right.

Drum roll, please.

Should teenagers, Michael, be required to get parental consent to join social media?

Yes.

I would figure that.

For sure.

Right?

How do you feel about some of these states that are making laws about this, though?

Do you think it should be a role of the parents or a role of the state?

Yes.

Yes,

yes, and.

Yeah, I think.

That's interesting.

I mean, you know, look, there was this moment.

When I was coming up, you're much younger and more vibrant than I am, Isabel.

But I, an old man, when I was coming up in politics, there was this thing where the conservatives never wanted to actually wield political power.

So we'd say, you have to elect us and give us all this political power so that we can never use it ever.

And you'd say, why am I electing you at all?

And so they would say, no, no, no.

You can't legislate morality.

Or they'd say, no, the state.

can't ever anything.

I don't know.

The state's pretty effective when the libs use it.

You know, they're like pummeling us into the dirt.

And so I think I have this more classical conception of politics, which is that the law is a tutor.

St.

Paul says that.

The law is a teacher.

And so

you want to make sure that you don't have too heavy a hand.

You don't want, you know, like big daddy president just like deciding every single thing in your life.

But the social media stuff is

quite dangerous.

Yeah.

It can be, the internet is just a portal to hell, basically, the cell phones.

And so teenagers are going to look at like porn and terrible things, radical politics and nasty bullying, and all just everything.

And so, absolutely, I think the state has a role to

rein that in a little bit.

I do.

My only concern is that I think the state sometimes tries to replace the role of the parent.

And if I've learned anything as a new parent, every time we are out and about in public, the number of people that just shove devices in their kids' face,

it's the scariest thing I've ever seen.

Already, we've been FaceTiming with our extended relatives because they don't live near us.

And it's insane how quickly my 11-week-old daughter will just immediately change her whole demeanor while FaceTiming somebody.

So I do think the primary onus falls on the parents.

And to play devil's advocate a little bit, I don't think we would have gotten to where we are right now with conservatism becoming mainstream and arguably the strong majority of Gen Z if it weren't for young teenagers being exposed to the media.

On social media, I know I know.

Over the last 10 years or so.

There is a kind of irony, which is like no one should give their kids smartphones or the internet except for my show.

That's the one exception.

So there is, obviously, there's a tension there.

But

it's bizarre because we got this crack through, you know, with the new media where we were able to win over younger millennials and Zoomers and now I guess into Gen Alpha.

But yeah, you don't want them to just have their brains turned to complete mush.

True.

Yeah.

Okay, I'm up.

All right, let's see.

Is it possible to be a true trad wife?

and a social media influencer as long as your husband earns all the money?

Wow, okay, that was a roller coaster.

There's an important cave out there.

Is it possible to be a true trad wife and a social media influencer as long as your husband earns all the money?

You would say

the world may never know.

No, yes, no, you would say no.

I would say no.

Every other chick who goes on the internet and TV is a conservative.

I love them.

Many of them are close personal friends of mine.

But they all defend it and they say, no, no, I'm a real trad wife.

And I think, lady, you're on TV.

What are you talking about?

Well, also, it's important to note the connotation of what trad wife has like come to be

over the last

tight-fitting, kind of buxom shirt.

That, and it's also just incredibly bizarre to me how the media and how social media has labeled certain women like queen of the trad wives.

The best example being Hannah Nealeman, Ballerina Farm.

Literally, the mainstream media wrote up this horrible hit piece about how she's so oppressed by her evil husband because she has so many children and has them at home and then gets up and bakes sourdough later that day.

But it's fascinating because she repeatedly has rebuked that title and said, I do not identify as a business.

She's not a bush.

I have no idea.

She has a hugely successful agricultural business.

Her brand is called Ballerina Farm, was a previous professional ballet dancer trained at Juilliard.

Oh, that was cool.

And then they moved to Utah and they have this beautiful, thriving ranch with a bunch of beautiful kids running around.

And yet she at the same time competes in Mrs.

World pageants and looks phenomenal doing it literally days after giving birth to her children, which is amazing.

And people have this connotation or stipulation that she's a trad wife because she posts videos of herself cooking all of their meals from scratch and living in this beautiful, idyllic farmhouse in Utah and going out and milking their cow.

But she also has quite literally one of the most successful female-run businesses in America right now.

now and she says I don't know what you guys are talking about I am not a true trad wife so to speak so I think it's more in the eye of the beholder than how most people would personally identify but personally i would say no you have your own brand your own situation yeah you just even if you're not making money even because here's what happens i mean not not for someone like you who's been public for a long time but for someone who has been private and then they get married and they maybe they quit their job or they don't have a job and then they say okay well i want the money from a second job so i'm gonna make make content but I'm gonna make content about my really trad life and therein lies the problem because you can't the moment that you make the private public the moment that you become a brand yep you have forfeited you're it might be you might have a nice job how it's possible to be an influencer and not make a single cent from it like that

certainly not that's not yeah of course not so i don't think that's a possibility no i know i i just think like

when when you say okay well here's the this is the trad wife influencer here's the trad.

I just think

the one thing I can tell you about trad wives, they're not on TikTok.

They don't, that's not where they live, they live in their house.

They don't live, okay?

Which there's nothing wrong with.

Let me just say this: there's nothing wrong with promoting traditional values as a woman on social media.

Yeah, yeah, I'm all that doesn't make you a trad wife.

Yes, that's an important thing.

You are an educator, you are an inspiration

to many, but you can't

be that thing.

Yeah, that's right.

Amen.

All right.

Let's reset.

Michael.

Yes.

Can you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle with your own metabolism?

If you're losing the battle, what is he even insinuating?

If you're fat enough, if you're a fatty.

I'm not fat.

What he would say is

that liberal you.

Yeah, yeah.

He's talking about the liberal you.

What he would say, he gets one of these, like every time.

He's like, hey, if you're a buttersoft, like, you know, little pudgy Pillsbury doughboy,

but I'm not, what he would say is that I'm skinny fat.

Like, I'm skinny, but I don't ever work out.

I mean, your metabolism seems to be doing well.

My metabolism is great.

Thank you, Ben Davies.

You jerk, you fat.

Okay, proverbial you.

Can the proverbial you be a political and cultural warrior if you're losing the battle for sure in metabolism?

You can't hit your button.

Oh, sorry.

Shoot on, man.

I'll give away the point.

I'm so angry at that.

question.

Yeah, fine.

I won't lie.

You think you can?

Yeah.

Well, first of all, I mean the greatest right-wing cultural warrior of our lifetime, Chris Christie.

What are you laughing about?

What are you?

Pinnacle.

Yeah, you're talking about

Charles Martell of New Jersey moderate politics.

No, you can.

I'm trying to, I mean, Churchill.

Churchill is kind of a fatty.

Yes, this is true.

And Churchill arguably saved Western civilization at one point.

Trump is a good-looking guy, and he's actually thinned down in the second term.

But, you know, he's been a bigger guy in his life, and he's the man.

Trump is the only politician I've ever seen in my lifetime age in reverse the guy looks better I know he's like

that was that was one way I knew after the first term I knew he was running again and he was gonna win is he was getting fitter he got the glow on it yeah oh man this guy is in for it man yeah but so you think okay Trump especially is at least he's just like a big guy he's like 6'3 or something you know Churchill was a bit rotund who else

Henry VIII not my favorite figure in history but you know he was a he was a warrior no doubt about it He was a big fatty.

I mean, he was like a little English meatball, you know, big English meatball.

So yeah, of course you can.

Although I would say it's probably not ideal.

Like ultimately, especially from a religious perspective, take care of your own house, take care of yourself, and then take care of society at large.

Yeah, that's true.

And gluttony is a sin.

But, you know, gluttony cuts two ways, too.

There's like the Henry VIII version of gluttony, like big fatties.

But then there's the, if you're obsessive about food and you're like an Ozempic addict or something, that's also a form of gluttony.

That's fascinating.

Would you argue that the Ozempic craze we're seeing right now is actually like a cultural sin of gluttony?

Yeah, for sure.

Because it's not, you know,

a virtue is a mean in between two extremes.

And so the extreme of being like a big fatty, you know, just stuffing donuts in your face all the time is balanced out by the extreme of being a narcissist, you know, vain person in the mirror trying to suck down another pound.

What you want to be, what you want to be, Davies, is delightfully unconcerned about your weight and yet still not go over the top.

You fat jerk.

So saucy today.

You know, I got called in for jury duty.

I didn't sleep that well.

I woke, and now I'm drinking.

How'd you get out of it?

I had so many good lines prepared.

I had some stuff that was saucy, but wouldn't get me in actual serious trouble, but it was enough to, like, I was going to make a robust defense of prejudice.

Ah, nice.

I had a good one, too.

And then

I was going to talk about how I presume that anyone whose case is brought to trial is guilty because of statistics.

And I had all this stuff.

And then they did, because they had a thing of what's your name?

What do you do?

Yeah, naturally.

What'd you say?

I'm Michael Knowles.

I'm Michael Knowles.

I'm a right-wing provocateur fascist.

No, I didn't.

I said I'm like a right-wing talk show host.

And they didn't even call me up to interview me.

Naturally.

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.

But anyway, that's why I'm salty.

And then Ben just puts a finger in the wound.

Called you fat.

Yeah, that's brilliant.

Called me fat.

Whoa,

that was providential.

You know, Davies, for all that smack I talk about him, he's good at ordering.

He thinks ahead.

Is Ozempic?

Whoa, that's weird, actually.

I have not seen these questions.

Is Ozempic the new lobotomy and possibly satanic because it removes healthy bodily function without requiring self-control?

Wow.

That is one to ponder.

Possibly satanic?

Possibly satanic.

Hmm.

I think you're faking me out.

You said yes to the signal.

I said yes.

I'm going to bite on this one.

I'm going to bite on this one.

If we can argue that gluttony is a sin, which is a very grave, grave sin, Ozempic is essentially the easy way out.

It's saying that I have no responsibility, no consequences for my my own actions.

My own petard of virtues.

Wow.

You're right.

I've never thought about it in that context, but that is interesting.

You're not saying

you're not saying satanic, like, you know, the devil whispering in your ear.

Exactly.

You're saying satanic because it's about a vice.

Yes, quite literally.

It is normalizing vice.

The number of videos I've seen, TikTok, by the way, has saved my life postpartum.

Like the number of times at 2 a.m.

I've Googled, is this normal?

And it pulls up a TikTok video.

Thank God.

But the number of videos I am constantly fed from other new moms saying, when did you guys finally quit breastfeeding So you could just start Ozempic?

When, when can I start Ozempic?

As soon as I can, let's start Ozempic.

You can't breastfeed on Ozempic.

No, naturally, because you're literally destroying your own body.

You don't want to destroy your baby's capacity to digest food, too.

But it is a serious health concern already.

People are coming in with like paralyzed stomachs and their body becomes insulin resistant forever.

It's very, very complicated what's happening long-term health effects that we have no research on and no idea already.

But I wonder how much of that's going to impact young women in particular because this is being so hyper-messaged to young moms, to young college students.

Like, just go on a Zempic.

It's no big deal.

Wow.

And you can tell every time.

I call it a Zempic face.

Yeah.

You can tell.

I'm so innocent when it comes to these things.

Like, even Botox, it's hard for me to tell when people get...

I have friends who I later found out they get shot up at Botox.

And even I look at them.

They're like...

And I don't even know something that's different.

It's a pretty good representation.

Thank you.

Did I get a suntan?

That's kind of my thought.

The idea that people would do this stuff, because I think I

I've forbidden my wife to ever get any cosmetic, not that she wanted to, but

I've totally forbade her from getting any cosmetic surgery.

Because I think, look, you're,

you know, you're like a little hobby now.

So what's the best case scenario, what's going to happen is you're just going to be like, you're going to be you.

You're going to be like your beautiful self, but it's going to be like, or they've got the lips that blow up to three times her size.

I'm not a lip filler fan by any means.

He did.

Okay, I'm so glad you said this because I actually was talking about this with my followers a couple of weeks ago and everyone was trying to make the argument that this is all for the female gaze that women do this for other women and that men actually hate every single one of these procedures yeah yeah for sure confirmed confirmed yeah yeah yeah I the furthest I'll go even lipstick is mostly for other women I kind of like a little touch of red lipstick I think it's elegant but almost all of this is for other women yeah and that's fascinating and that yeah the I hate I don't want to make fun I feel bad for the women who have done this but if you haven't done it don't do it ever I've never I've never seen a workout well and it never spooves around like if you get filler, it migrates to parts of your body.

Actually, it's hugely concerning.

Yeah, don't do it.

Don't do it.

Ladies, ladies,

if you've, this is a public service matter.

If you feel like you don't like how you look or you do whatever,

put the cupcake down, do whatever you got to do, go get your hair done.

I don't know.

But all this stuff, the poke and the prod, and you're poisoning yourself, putting botulism in your head, and just, it's okay, you're beautiful.

You're beautiful just the way you are.

Amen.

You're beautiful.

And And apparently it's satanic now, which I'm actually going to go reflect on that for a long period.

You know, people who have way too much cosmetic surgery do start to look like these baphometers.

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What is even meant by that?

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Okay, ready?

Michael, is playing video games a bigger red flag than than watching anime?

Wrong.

It's a red flag, but it's not as big a red flag as anime.

Oh, we need to talk about anime.

This would be a good conversation.

Is birth control worse for you than nicotine?

Yeah, for sure.

Obviously.

Birth control is slow-release poison.

Throw it away, everybody.

Would you, Michael, side with the Empire over the rebels in the original Star Wars?

You wouldn't.

I would not.

It's like a cute thing.

It's a cute thing of like, well, there were the established power, and, you know, these were crazy rebels.

But, you know.

You're a limited government guy at heart.

I'm, well, keeping government within its proper limits.

So you can blow up a planet if you have to.

I'm not opposed to that.

But, but it,

you know, it doesn't, that's not an excuse for tyranny.

St.

Thomas Aquinas, you know,

even provides an opportunity for revolution.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

The greatest of all theologians.

Yes, the goat.

Yeah, yeah.

He's laughing right now.

That was cute.

Okay.

Are you?

Hey, hold on.

What was the first thing about

anime?

Do you have a favorite anime?

Oh, yeah.

I love the fourth one.

I don't know.

I remember Pokemon.

That's an anime.

That's an anime.

I remember that.

It's like entry.

Yeah, yeah.

Are you into it?

I've been getting slowly into it over the past few years.

I've watched a handful.

I will say, as a standalone show, Attack on Titan is mind-blowingly good.

It might be one of the most cool TV shows ever.

For an adult or for a kid.

Both, although it's pretty intense, so I would start it for like maybe a teenager max of the young age.

But for adults it's a fascinating show and it speaks to you know tyranny and the plight of people when they're in situations where they need to overthrow people I mean it's it's very good it's very good do you do you think do you like other cartoons that are not anime yeah I like cartoons like Family Guy or something yeah I never really got into Family Guy and now it feels like late to get into it.

South Park was a staple growing up in the mountains of Colorado.

South Park, Colorado is very close to where I grew up, actually.

There you go.

Yeah.

They always feature Casabonita.

What a time.

No, that's right.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

Would you,

if you were single,

and you found out a guy were like really into anime, like freakishly into it?

Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I suppose that

you're speaking in degrees.

I'm saying in a bind into it, period.

Would you rather, you're told you're going to go on a blind date with a guy and you got some Giga Chad who doesn't watch anime and you got some guy who does watch anime.

Which are you more excited for?

Well, I think you're limiting yourself that the Giga Chad may watch anime, to be honest.

Two GigaChats watch anime?

I think so.

Yeah, it's becoming a very mainstream thing in the West.

I mean, you have to keep in mind this is still relatively newish to our culture without the exceptions of Pokemon and Avatar the Last Airbender.

But I think anime has the future to be very, very compelling in that the content of the shows themselves are still based in traditional masculinity and heroism and doing the right thing when it's difficult and overthrowing tyrannical powers.

Most of our Americanized Hollywood shows are just garbage.

So why?

Okay, I see that, but why is that stuck?

What is it about anime that makes it better?

I don't think it has to be animated versus live action.

I mean, they're even turning anime shows into live action right now, although they're butchering it.

There was a live-action rendition of Avatar the Last Airbender that came out, and we were all so hopeful for it.

And then they literally destroyed all of the characters.

But it's just like the concept of the show, the meat, the meat of it more than the presentation.

This is my question, because now it's sort of like Baudrillard hyper-reality.

Like, you're getting so divorced from the thing.

If anime

is not essentially about animation, if you can have a live-action anime, then this is my confusion on anime, which is

I'm not like a rote hater of anime.

Well, and I wouldn't call myself the expert either.

I'm just an interested man.

Well, my question is, if we have this world where anime can be live-action, then what is anime?

Well, it is still animated with...

CGI and spatial effects.

It's just like the literal

actor version, but it still requires, I mean, you can't have a a flying sky buffalo in real life.

Okay, so it has to be you have to have flying like what that is my question There is a fantasy element I think associated with all of the best anime shows I've really enjoyed and look also anime is a category of literally tens of thousands of different shows So I'm very being very categorical

Anime it doesn't have to come out of Japan It doesn't have to be strictly speaking animated.

It does have to have flying water buffaloes

why it's it's new it's gaining audience.

So if you had to say, give me one sentence, what distinguishes anime from other

storytelling and the plot?

What about it?

There is a depth of substance with the journey that the character has to go on that is extremely compelling.

Whereas I feel like most American produced television shows and movie adaptations and all of that miss the plot entirely at this point.

Yeah, Family Guy, there's no journey.

There's no journey.

Yeah, there's no journey.

But even the book adaptations that we're seeing now, they cut so much of the plot out.

It's all about the substance and the flash and the random, gay, non-binary character that somehow is the whole front of the show now.

I don't see that in anime.

It doesn't exist.

It's about the beautiful.

What if a guy, so you're told,

answer your question.

Well, no,

and then the second part, which is you're told you can go on a date.

There's one guy, Giga Chad, doesn't play video games.

Other guy does play video games.

Which date are you more excited for more excited for well i'm married you're married he is a gamer single isabel he is a gamer he is a gamer although within moderation right he doesn't like sit there in the basement this is my point on this 7365 yeah i my

whole point on this question is i've found many more normal guys will play the occasional video game yeah than will watch

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All right, Rapid Fire.

Now, Rapid Fire, you're up.

We're being very rapid.

I'm up.

Okay.

Are we living in the end times?

How is that a rapid fire question?

Yes or no?

You're going to say no.

No, I don't think we are.

No.

I think we're always going to be.

Every generation has always said that.

Has ick culture warped Gen Z women's perspective on dating?

You're gonna say yes.

Yep.

Yes.

Is there any circumstance in which a wife should have the final say over her husband?

Oh my gosh, you guys are trying to get me in trouble.

Is there any circumstance in which wife should have the final say over her husband?

I think you're going to say

I think you're going to say no.

Yes.

You said yes.

Okay.

That's the circumstances.

With some nuance.

And I'm sure all the internet trolls are going to come for me on that one.

No, I think if

your family is being led into grave sin, you have an opportunity and an obligation as the wife to gently guide your family in the other direction.

Yeah, yeah.

Is there any circumstance?

So you're basically saying God has the final say.

Yeah, ultimately.

And I actually think God gave women unique intuitive capabilities that men don't have, right?

We read body language much differently.

I think we can assess the emotional impact of a situation much differently.

But there's a reason women have gut feelings, and usually they're right.

Yeah, yeah.

One of my family's favorite movies growing up of all time is My Big Fat Greek Wedding, a cultural.

Yeah, I actually, I never saw a pillar.

There's a great line that we quote all the time.

The man is the head of the house, but the woman is the neck.

And she can turn the head any way she wants.

This is the old observation, the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rocks the world.

Exactly.

But now to clarify, even though I was debating,

in some circumstance where the husband is like, hey, we're going to be Satanists now, you know, then you're not going to listen to us.

Of course.

But

barring grave mortal sin,

barring the husband trying to lead the family into grave mortal sin,

is there any other circumstance?

You know, moving homes.

I mean,

it's so hard to dictate that.

My family is new, obviously.

I've been married a little over a year.

We are brand new parents, so we're very much learning on the job.

And I wouldn't proclaim myself to be a marital or parenting expert by any means.

Generally speaking, I think the man has the obligation to be the head of the house.

That's how it was designed.

A lot of the time he doesn't even want to be.

A lot of the time, he doesn't want to be.

And sometimes you have to kick him in the butt to say, get up, you got to do this for our family.

But it's that distortion that I think has really eroded masculinity in such really devastating ways in our society and why women have the ick factor to bring things together.

Yes, no, I think you're right.

Because you're obviously right.

If a man,

and I do think it's basically, that's the only circumstance, which is if a man is leading your family into grave mortal sin, you have an obligation to say like, no, no, no, you know,

the king's loyal subject, but God's first.

But short of that,

yeah, the guy's the head of the household, and the husband rather is the head of the household.

And a lot of the time, Elisa said this to me the other day, we were debating

whatever the subject was.

And I don't know, what do you want to do?

What do you want to do?

Whatever you want to do, you tell me.

What do you want to do?

I mean, I think this.

Hey, Mac,

you're the head of the household, right?

How about you make a decision and tell me what to do and do it?

You go, girl.

And I was like, you're right.

You're right.

I'm being a huge whim here.

Like, I need, you're right.

I need to just make, I don't want to make a decision on whatever, just like Chinese food or Indian food or whatever, but I have to.

And then, yeah.

That's my job.

That's part of the deal, man.

As a woman, there is nothing more attractive than when a man has a total plan and you don't have to think about anything.

My very first date, I ever went on with my husband, he didn't ask me on the date.

We had known each other for a few days at this point, but he said we're going on a date next Friday.

He said, me, Tarzan, you, Jane.

And he had it all planned, and it was the coolest thing ever.

I mean, it was awesome.

There was no...

wondering there was no like trying to secretly pull feelings out of somebody uh you up text or any of that it was just very straightforward very giga chad behavior now we're married that is yeah yeah that's there was like that chick you remember that chick who she said she was a lesbian and she went viral she goes i went on a date with this guy and he he like just ordered me a drink and just bought it and gave it to me i've never seen that before i mean heck jojo sea watched straight now so i'm just saying the alpha mail thing is pretty interesting it's back yeah it's back okay all right that's good that's a good answer now do you know what it's time for isabelle double point round is it i don't know no i'm just reading it in the telegram it's time for the final round see i was right

double point i think so based on your previous episodes now i'm glad i'm glad somebody watched it all right

The prompt will be read.

We will both lock in our answers.

Then we move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read each other's minds.

The round is worth double points.

You're right.

That was good.

It could change everything.

It really could.

Wow.

Oh, man.

You're up.

Superman should be deported.

You would say

no.

Here's what you would say.

You would say yes.

Give me my points.

We both lost?

I said yes.

You said no?

Yes, yeah, I said no.

Here's why.

Well, you're a little lady.

You tell me your reasoning first.

Well, mainly I'm just upset with how they've handled this new rendition of the movie.

The director of this movie should be deported.

And that's sad because I actually really like James Gunn's prior work.

I do.

I love Guardians of the Galaxy.

You don't like Gara?

I mean, Guardians.

It was all right.

It's a shame, unfortunately.

That guy, I don't know, you could deport him.

I don't care.

Remember, conservatives were defending.

They said he got canceled.

Whatever.

I don't cancel him.

I don't care.

Well, the thing that just doesn't make sense to me is the whole immigration angle when he is a literal alien, not

illegal alien.

I don't care.

Here's my based argument for why we shouldn't deport Superman.

All right, let's hear it.

The argument is, look, he's an alien, and I guess he's an illegal alien in the sense that he didn't have papers,

but he is in the American interest.

So we keep him because he's in our interest.

And I think that's how we should look at illegal immigration to some degree.

I mean, if there's someone, most of them should need to go back, but if there's some illegal immigrant who happens to be really good for America, I'm happy to make an exception.

The sovereign is he who decides the exception.

So sure, I'm happy to make an exception if it really serves American interests.

But even broadly on immigration policy,

really the only factor that we should consider is if it serves American interests.

That is how immigration policies happen.

That's how it works all over the world right now.

Right now.

Where we live,

including in our own country, that's how it's supposed to work.

And so I think, okay, well, he serves our purposes.

Good, we keep him.

And

Lex Luther, is he an immigrant?

No, he's a citizen.

I don't know.

Deport him anyway, whatever.

So it's like, I just think we need to be a little more,

the libertarian, the really ideological conservative would say, well, no, actually, you know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

And if we're going to deport a Mexican criminal, we're going to deport Superman, too.

It's like, bro, you can't tell the difference between

face tattooed Mexican gangster.

I don't understand that.

Mine is stemming from a place of personal frustration, but I actually think I would agree with that.

No, and I would say the synthesis of those two ideas is deport James Gunt.

There you go.

Deport James Gunn for that horrible movie that I had to say.

There's your thumbnail.

Yeah, I hated that movie.

What I hated about it was it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen.

No, like the story story was actually okay.

It was fine.

It was actually talk about, we were talking about men and women.

I felt the romantic plot was pretty sturdy, actually.

It was very traditional.

I believed there was a real chemistry between the two of them.

But

what was the story?

I didn't know what the story was.

It was more like flash and substance.

Yeah, which is what I'm saying.

We're missing the plot, even in things where we have the plot to reference.

I agree.

Okay, so this is the last chance.

Catholics have dual loyalty to the Vatican and to their home country.

Catholics have dual loyalty

to the Vatican and to their own country.

All right.

You, Michael.

You would say.

You would say yes.

No.

You would say no.

Both got them wrong.

You would say yes and I hope no.

You said no.

Interesting.

Why?

Here's why.

Because.

I should have said yes.

I'm just too tired.

For you, I should have said yes.

Then I would have won, and that would have been so good.

Here's why.

Yes, obviously we have a loyalty to the Vatican, which in principle could have some conflict, but not necessarily because the Vatican and national loyalty to America are not loyalties of the same kind.

Well, I would agree with that.

However, the reason this question is raised is because people go after the Jews and they say the Jews have dual loyalty to America and to the state of Israel.

And that's true, actually.

But you'd say, well, Catholics have, if the United States went to war with the Vatican.

No, but I think it's a completely separate frame of reference.

It's not apples to apples.

It's not apples to apples.

And the hard thing, the funny thing is there are plenty of Jews who actually hate the state of Israel and they have no loyalty to it at all.

They should have more loyalty to it than they do.

Everything I see on Twitter is a lot of people.

I know,

believe it or not.

But it's a hard thing because

for the Jews, there is a tribal identity,

which is real.

I think that's like good.

The Jew haters say like, that's really bad.

I think there's something actually kind of admirable about that.

But it's why these accusations come up throughout the ages and often become very ugly and nasty.

And there is a similarity with the Catholics, which is, I think, why Catholics can understand that better than other groups.

But the similarity is imperfect because...

First of all, we haven't had the Papal States in 140 years or something like that.

But also,

even when we we had the Papal States, you weren't a citizen of the Papal States.

You were a citizen of your own country.

Because nationalism is relatively new.

Nationalism comes up with the Peace of Westphalia, the Treaty of Augsburg, and it's kind of relatively recent.

So it's not...

But, I mean, this is where I would have to defend our super Zionist Jewish friends.

against the modern nation state type people is

you could ask one of them.

If the US went to war with Israel, who would you side with?

If you claim loyalty to two nation states, you have a problem.

I mean, even if you're, you could be a British citizen.

If America goes to war with Britain,

you have a problem if you're a dual citizen.

I don't have citizenship at the Vatican.

True.

But if the United States, if they reconstituted the papal Zuaves and the United States went to war, Pope Pius XIII

is invading the Holy Land and Syria and reconstituting

we're getting Baldwin and the U.S.

declares war on him.

You and I would have a problem, wouldn't we?

Yes, we would.

I think the way that this question is phrased is important because obviously we are not legal citizens of the Holy See.

I think if the question had been phrased as the Holy See instead of the Vatican, I may have answered differently.

But it's been fascinating for me.

I'm getting my master's in theology right now because I can't help myself.

I get bored too easily.

Thank you.

And it's been really fascinating this last year or so, spending time sitting with and contemplating the role of nationalism and your identity to your country as a citizen versus your willingness to obey the Pope and obey the Vatican.

And that's what your ultimate obligation is during this lifetime, because ultimately the United States of America doesn't exist after we die.

Heaven does.

And that's the role of the church is to get us there and try to bring as many people there with us as possible.

So I've even been playing around with learning more about the sin of Americanism.

And that's

a conversation that people aren't really ready to have, I think, in our country, but we do need to have it because ultimately our primary allegiance always has to be to Christ and to Christ's lawyers.

So you're fully, you're bonifice pilled.

I mean, you are like the church has both keys,

both sources.

Well, look, you can ask a gazillion different apocalyptic scholars, and almost every one of them will tell you the United States doesn't exist at the end times, more likely than not.

So I love my country.

I am a die-hard, red-blooded American.

Your girl wore a MAGA hat on the cover of Newsweek magazine in college, okay?

Like, I will always defend our country and I think it's important for us to continue doing that

ultimately

my obligation is to God and to Christ and so my loyalty would also have to lie with the Vatican from the religious spiritual sense, although I'm not a citizen of Vatican City or the Holy Spirit.

Yeah, this is where I find myself, as is often the case,

in the Dante position.

Dante, he always comes up.

Dante was a member of the Guelph Party, which was the pro-Pope party, fighting against the pro-Empire pro-empire party.

Because the temporal power was the empire, and the spiritual power was the pope.

The pope also had a lot of temporal power and claimed temporal power to himself.

Dante was part of the pro-Pope party, but he was part of the faction of the pro-Pope party that was pro-empire.

So he was sort of like a rhino.

Dante was like the rhino of medieval Tuscany and Florence, yeah.

But he had this view.

He said, look, the...

The really hardcore pro-Pope party,

forget about your allegiance to the empire, it's just to the pope.

They would say, well,

ultimately we control everything.

And the empire derives its power from us.

And what Dante would argue and the pro-empire party would say is, no, no, actually the empire predates the church.

And actually, the church is born within the empire.

And actually, in the fullness of time, Christ is born within the Roman Empire.

And because the empire claimed jurisdiction over the world and executes them according to the civil law, which is why it's a sacrifice for the entire world.

So

I think it is a matter of natural virtue to love your country.

Oh, of course.

I think patriotism is an extension of human society.

Probably say the same, right?

You're supposed to obey the laws of your country.

You're supposed to.

You're given to Caesar what Caesar is.

Yes, yes.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Yes.

And so the only real, I think, synthesis here is.

We need America to be a confessional state, right?

Is that anyway?

I think we lost.

We lost some of the audience.

I got destroyed.

That's brutal.

It was brutal.

That's a beatdown.

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Freaking out.

I am so psyched to be bringing you guys along on this journey.

Let's jump in.

Now, I love that clip.

Thank you, thank you.

Someone criticized this.

When this was announced, I promoted it.

I said, this is great stuff, thumbs up, everything.

And someone said, that's set.

Hold on, hold on, bring that back.

Bring back the, yes, there it is.

So I was told on the internet when I was endorsing your coming over, I was told that it's giving live, laugh, love.

My argument was this.

My argument was that live, laugh, love,

much like the paintings of Thomas Kincaid, the painter of light, is not a liberal kitsch, but is instead, at a deeper level, a deeply subversive countercultural right-wing stuff because it elevates bourgeois morality, which the radicals of the left hate.

I might make the counter-argument.

I would say there is very obvious, subversive right-wing extremism messaging here.

We've got Star Wars paraphernalia all over, affluent that.

We've got a stormtrooper with a cactus growing out of his head.

Oh, okay.

And R2-D2 over there.

We've got Napoleon Dynamite, easy comedy reminding you it's okay to laugh.

Of course, the Eucharist and Mother Mary.

Oh, yes, St.

Joan of Arc.

Okay, wow.

The national parks, cowgirls, the whole nine.

So that's good.

They may think it's live, laugh, love, but the longer they look at it.

What does that say?

Wow, I didn't notice the Eucharist and the monstrance.

I didn't notice Our Lady.

I didn't.

What is the thing at the top left there?

It's something we by grace I've been redeemed.

By grace, I've been restored.

Wow.

And is there a saint there?

That is St.

Joan of Arc.

Yes.

That's Joan of Arc.

Okay, yeah.

It says, I'm not afraid I was born to do this.

Wow.

That's nice.

Why is it?

you know, I love this, even though I'm an old man now, I feel spiritually a Zoomer.

We accept you.

You can be a refugee.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Why is it that the Zoomers are, like the millennials are kind of cringe and

liberal, like classically liberal or whatever.

And the Zoomers are classical, hardcore, common good.

And the millennials are like,

we can't know if God exists.

And the Zoomers are like, God, like, you will submit to the Roman pontiff.

Yeah.

That's true.

Why is true?

I honestly think it was bred out of necessity because things just got so out of control that we crave tradition, we crave structure, we crave a tether to something that is foundational and doesn't change with the whims of day-to-day.

And that's why Catholicism in particular is so appealing to Jen's ears because this is something that largely hasn't changed for 2,000 years.

We can draw a straight line backwards in history and the classical liturgy and the substance of the Eucharist and reading the church fathers is like all any Zoomer wants to talk about right now because your alternative is the sparkle creed in the Lutheran church in Minnesota real thing is there were oh yeah were you Lutheran no I wasn't I just happened to react to a video literally reciting the sparkle is this now when I

when I bring this up though with like the priestesses or whatever I have these guys right in that say hey Michael I'm a Lutheran we I disavow I disavow there are two sects of Lutheranism I will say so the crazier one will be honest

but it's it's disheartening when I'm in Washington DC where I live and I walk into the National Cathedral and there's literally a stained glass glass window of like BLM because the Episcopal stuff was.

I was there.

You were there at the National Prayer Service.

I wasn't, no.

You were not there.

So it was me.

I was there.

And I was sitting pretty close to the private section.

I wish I was there because I would have had some great facial expressions for the media to pick.

I was sitting right ahead of Pesobic, was there.

There were a bunch of us, and we were sitting on the left side.

And then in the center, right there, it was Trump and Vance and those guys.

And

so

we're sitting here.

Trump and Vance are sitting here.

The bishoprous lady was here.

So we're right in the line.

We can see the line.

And I remember when that lady was going off on the poor, aggrieved homosexual Apache or whatever.

It was this amazing moment where they're like, oh, it's going down.

Okay, great.

Why is this?

Of course, the National Cathedral to, you talk about the heresy of Americanism and the error of liberalism, the sin.

frankly, the sin of liberalism.

Every wife knows exactly what Usha Vance was thinking in that moment.

Shut up.

Do not make him think of you.

Grab the thigh.

Isabel, congratulations on your win thank you michael i'm so glad you're here at daily wire now i'm so excited i'm glad that you have watched this episode of yes or no and i will see you next time

in the meantime i will finish my drink cheers

cheers